Husky Talk- Sean Mulcahy

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Episode Transcript

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He also started a brand new athletic development program
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you from the ground U to make you the best you can be in the
sport of your choice, help you again reach your potential and
have a chance of a scholarship. He sent kids to scholarship on

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scholarships all over the country, boys and girls, no
matter the sport. He's got a 5000 square foot
facility. It's absolutely incredible
state-of-the-art. So if you want to be with the
best, go to dynamichumanperformance.com and
work with Andre. In contrast, if you are in the
South, we have Julius Williams. Julius Williams who runs the

(02:58):
Trench Mob. Julius played at UConn and also
in the NFL. He trained some of the best
offensive and defensive lineman I have ever seen.
They go to camps all over the country as a team and they
compete in 5V5 tournaments tournament style and at the end

(03:21):
they declare a winner. But he has all his kids have
performed well, they've won their first 3 competitions.
Their next competition is April 6th.
Julius has sent guys everywhere.He's got guys on scholarship at
Miami, FL State, Florida, Georgia, Clemson, you name it,

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he's got them there. So if you're a lineman and you
want to be trained by the best, you go to Julius.
And now for the man of the hour,my former teammate and friend,
Mr. Sean Mulcahy. It's so great to see you good.
To see you too, Kelly, former Berlin Thunder teammate.

(04:05):
Sorry for the long intro. Yeah, I know, I know.
Out in Tampa and you're. That was my favorite part.
I wish we never left Tampa, but I did like Germany once we got
there and it warmed up. But when we got there in the
beginning, it was just dismal. Yeah, it was.
It was cold at first. It was cold at first, but once

(04:27):
we once it warmed up, it was nice.
I was. I was happy when it warmed up.
I had wanted to ask you because I know, I know you grew up in
Westport and I know that you hadwent you, you went to Staples.
But I mean, you're you. We're always a bigger kid.
Did you play football at a younger age?

(04:48):
Did you play? Pop Warner Yeah.
So I my first experience was that my parents let me give it a
try in 6th grade, and in 6th grade I would have had to play
with the 7th and 8th graders. They didn't play up.
And I was a pretty late bloomer and saw some of the 8th graders

(05:08):
that I had seen in school and said, no way am I no thanks.
Grade came back, played 7th grade was probably the worst
player on the team that would beclose.
And the only place they could, you know, hit me was nose guard.

(05:31):
So I'd get a couple plays a gameand you know, I, I'd, I'd get
destroyed by the center. So I came back the next year and
I was, I had more confidence because I was in 8th grade and
knew there weren't guys older than a little bit bigger and
athletic and played linebacker and like, I played guard.

(05:54):
I played. Linebacker.
Wow. I always, always a linebacker.
Well, you were always pretty athletic, so that's not
surprising. Thanks.
So I didn't really care what I played on offense as long as I
could play inside linebacker, loved tackling.
And yeah. And then I got into high school
at Staples, played freshman football.

(06:17):
They played linebacker, played alittle like emergency
quarterback, backup, fullback. They had a huge growth spurt
then that happened sophomore year.
Yeah, that's why I was going to ask you how tall were you when
you were early on 6th, 7th and 8th grade?
So I got to go backwards. So 8th grade, I was probably

(06:41):
like 59510. Wow. 7th grade I was probably
like 5-7. In 6th grade I was probably like
5455, something like that. Oh, so you really had a growth
spurt? That's a big growth spurt.
Yeah. So in freshman year I went from
like 511, six foot to six, four in a year.

(07:03):
Yeah, they moved. They moved me on offense to
tight end, was still allowed to play inside linebacker, which I
loved. So I didn't really care what I
played on offense, just as long as I could tackle and hit.
And Staples is a pretty well respected historic program right

(07:23):
in Connecticut. It's one of the best of the
best. Yeah, it's up there.
I mean, I, yeah, I mean, they'vehad, they had good history
recently. They've they've had good history
in the past. Well, you know, I wouldn't, I
wouldn't call it like a top ten program in the state, but 20 or

(07:43):
30 like historically. Are they a double L or an L?
Changes all the time. When I was playing touch and
then when I was volunteering forthem, they were double L and
then, you know, now I think they're L So it, it changes with
the school and everything. Was I couldn't remember, was

(08:08):
Staples a private school? They play in the private school
league. It was because of the name like
it's it's pretty much Westport High.
They just in that area, there was this guy Horace Staples.
So if you go to the adjoining town, Easton, the school is like
Staples Elementary, Horace Staples.

(08:30):
This guy helped education back in the 19 tens 1920s.
Oh wow, getting schools like up and running.
So that so they ended up naming a bunch of schools after them.
OK, so it's really like WestportHigh School.
They just named the school afterhim.
But did you like play like Cheshire High?

(08:51):
Sir, what'd you say? Did I play what Cheshire High?
Would. Scrimmage them every year.
Michael Mars Petrascio and theircoach, Coach Eckie had a long
relationship because they were with Pascollone on his W Cop
staff for Syracuse. So we would we would scrimmage
them every year and it and it was always like a great like if

(09:14):
you're looking for a competitivepre season match.
That wasn't yeah it. It it wasn't soft, like dudes
were going at it pretty hard andit was all out of respect
because we knew the coaches liked each other.
Their resumes kind of spoke for themselves.
And you guys, if I remember, didyou guys always go to the

(09:36):
Syracuse summer camp? Yeah.
Every year, yeah, Yeah. OK, that's where I remember
seeing the Staples guys for the first time.
Yeah, yeah. And that goes back to the past
baloney days. I was, you know, there was a
huge, they all coached together for years.
So they, you know, we'd make that 6-7 hour drive every summer
and it was cool. I, I always ask kids like I, I,

(09:59):
whenever I'm around the neighborhood here or wherever I
see kids that are football players, I ask them what camps
they're doing in the summer because that was so popular.
It was like really popular. It's how you got exposed and
it's how you got the. So you know, the camps, they're
still going to camps, but they don't seem as a big deal as they

(10:20):
as they once were. I don't know.
I could be totally wrong becauseI don't pay attention to it.
Yeah. It kind of, it kind of changed.
I, I coached at, I coached at Holy Cross for 10 years.
And you know, they would tell you if you had a top recruit,
they would want you to have themcome to the camp.
And as the years went on, I found out if you did have that

(10:43):
kid come to the camp, all they would do would nitpick and find
reasons not to offer them a scholarship.
So I would, I would have them come to camp just to take a
visit and show them around. I would not have them work out
because 90% of the time if they worked out, it was it was in
their their detriment. Yeah, and I'll tell you an even

(11:04):
funnier story, which I I still can't even believe happened.
There was a kid I was recruitingfrom California.
He was not very good. And for some reason, at the end
of camp, he was just tearing it up in seven on seven, catching

(11:25):
balls left and right, running the greatest routes, running by
people. Nobody could believe it.
Nobody could believe it. And you know, coaches like, I
want to offer this kid and I'm like, Are you sure you you
watched his film? You know, he's he's not a he's
not a Division One FCS kid. He's not a scholarship kid.

(11:48):
He's like, no, he just proved ittoday.
He's he's earned a scholarship. So I'm not exactly sure what
happened. The kid that I brought down to
the office was not the kid that coach saw and wanted to offer.
So we ended up offering this kidwho again, was just an average

(12:10):
mediocre player and he got a four year scholarship to go to
lacrosse. And the kid that we may have
intended to offer, I have no, I,I never saw him again.
I have no idea what happened to him.
It just blew my mind that that that happened.
That's how inept we were. You shouldn't be surprised.

(12:31):
Yeah, I. Know, I know, I know.
Year in and year out, we saw it at UConn.
You see it in the NFL Draft every.
Year 1 can. Get it right, Everyone's getting
paid a boatload to figure it outand they can't figure it out.
It's it's in the high school ranks, it's in the college ranks
and it's in the professional ranks.

(12:52):
No one, no formula. They it's a flip of the.
It's total guesswork. No, it is, it is, but that just
blew my mind because it's like that's not the kid.
And we just, we just offered himand I told him it wasn't the kid
and he still offered him and thekid.
And what told you is any of the top players, if you offered

(13:15):
them, they never would take it on the spot.
You know, they, they weigh out their options.
This kid soon as he heard the word offer, I'm in, I'm taking
it done. So I, I, I knew I'm like, God,
we, we fucked this one up. It was just, it was, it was
hilarious. What other schools were you
looking at when you when you were at at Staples and were you

(13:38):
primarily obvious, you know, obviously wanting to play
defense? Yeah, most schools wanted me to
play offensive tackle, Yeah. You, you were a tackle.
There was no way you were going to play tackle you.
Know initially I would agree with you, but as Mike Malarkey
and Bill Belichick pointed out, so I have a small ass and thin

(14:00):
hips, so even if I put the weight on, I don't know how well
tackle would have worked. Yeah.
Right, right, right. I know I could have moved, but
that center of gravity that theywere so concerned about, yeah.
You're going to lie I. Got put on my back, you know, a
little bit. So that's why defense, because I
was attacking, I was constantly attacking.

(14:22):
I wasn't receiving a blur, was always attacking and that that
made it a little bit easier were.
You were you always at linebacker?
Yeah. High.
School last howl my senior year,you know, we were terrible.
We were the biggest, strongest team, but we couldn't run.

(14:42):
We were just terrible. So he moved, he moved all the
positions. So I got moved down to like 5
technique for the last couple games.
I had no idea what I was doing, but it was fun.
Yeah 3. Point.
Stance. Jesus, yeah.
You know, like, let's go get him.
I I tried to do my best Reggie White and kind of big.

(15:04):
I was playing, playing the season at like 275 and when I
was going back to the Syracuse camp, remember that linebacker
for Syracuse who played like sixyears before all this type of
stuff and extensions to players,Dan Conlon, the linebacker.
I will never forget Dan Conlon because he I I made a remark

(15:24):
about his knees being scarred upand I had forgotten.
He had like 8 surgeries and he gave me the look of death, like
he wanted to strangle me. And then Adagio had the mic, the
megaphone. Yeah.
And I thought he was going to put the megaphone over my head
because I irritated him so much.Yeah, I remember.
I remember those camps so vividly.
I remember Ed Ogeron was there. He was the D line coach at at

(15:48):
the time, I think it was 97. He was AD line coach Heather.
We just didn't know it. Yeah, I, I know.
I knew all the Staples guys werethere because I hated you guys
because they put you in All in all the drills.
You guys were in front of all the drills.
They give you all the opportunity and the other guy
remember being there. Well, I'll never forget was
Quagliano, because all I heard was Quagliano getting

(16:11):
motherfucked. Adagio, who barely had a voice,
would just use whatever he had left said.
Fucking Quagliano. What the fuck are you doing?
He was just screaming Quagliano and and he was a was he a
Cheshire guy? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember that.
That's what I remember. I remember Quags just getting

(16:31):
yelled at. I remember the Staples kids
being just in front of every drill and, and getting the
looks. And I, I, I remember I was so
angry because they offered, theyoffered two offensive lineman
based off their 40 times and I'll never forget, I remember

(16:52):
one of them was Christian Ferrara and he ran like A51 and
like he, he was a big dude. Whatever you do, OK, But we.
Played in the blue Gray game together and I went up to him.
So I was always curious to know about different schools and

(17:13):
offered the year I came out and I I remember seeing Christian.
I was like, you're you're the guy, huh?
You're one of the guys. They had a Julian Pollard out of
Bloomfield. I think they had Pierce out of
San Joe's. They had all these busts.
My ear and Christian was actually OK.
And I later saw him at 49ers camp.

(17:34):
But you know, it was nice to seethat we were on like at least
the same level. He wasn't like throwing me out
of the water. I'm like this is this.
No like. You know, it's unbelievable.
And that's why back to what we were talking about before, it's
a guessing game. You know, they, they haven't
figured it out. No.
And that's, you know, that's that's when they really started
to struggle was that class because they they missed on some

(17:56):
kids. You know, I think there was Troy
Nunes's class as well. But Christian Ferrara, I mean,
he was built, he ran like A5 flat or A51 offer.
Steve Kali runs A55 and gets told to go eat lunch.
The other kids got tours and offered scholarships.

(18:18):
But I, I remember that vividly. But yeah, the, the camp circuit
back then was different because there weren't really the one day
camps like there are now. Now everything's a one day camp.
Now everything is, you know, they, they do a lot of combine
stuff and then it's one on ones and seven on 7.
Back then, I mean, it was a grind.

(18:38):
I mean, it was the Syracuse campwas three freaking practices a
day. I remember I was, I was dead.
I I remember it. So the other coach there, that
coach that you call it pass felony, the offensive line coach
George de Leon. Leon So yeah, rest in peace.
You will probably remember this,but I'm going to give you and

(19:02):
everyone else a little demonstration because it's stuck
with any anyone who's been at Syracuse camp or was coached
online by George de Leon. This torque, torque, yes,
torque. So you.

(19:23):
Fuck up and down talking to the 300 kids, Yes.
Torque. Oh my God, and it cracked me up
so much when Pascalone went to Syracuse and brought De Leon
past. De Leon would mother fuck
Christositis his student trainers.

(19:44):
He would have his student trainers running the blitz cards
for his offensive line. Believable.
And I'm thinking to myself, these are these are kids.
None of them have played football.
You think they're going to be able to follow lines on a card
and know who goes 1st and who goes second screaming at them,
motherfucking them. And probably the only time in

(20:07):
Chris's life that he ever got mad and fought back.
He he like went off on George. And it's like, you cannot talk
to my fucking guys like that. You did you treat them with
respect because they'll, they'llquit and we and then and then
you know, you, you can run your own cards by yourself.
Good luck with that, Yeah. He was like, you can't do that

(20:28):
to him, but I was always blown away that like because he was
the 1st that I ever heard that would do that.
Now, some teams may have had enough trainers to be able to,
but nobody I knew of ever had their trainers or the yeah, the
equipment guys run the freaking carts.
I was just, I was shocked by that.
I've. Never seen that either.

(20:48):
I also remember, I think if I remember, like Kathy might have
given Randy a little lip becauseRandy was blaming something on
Kathy for delay in the film. Of course.
It's not my fucking fault the school won't send it.
I can call them so many times, but if they don't send the
fucking. The game yes yes, they had to

(21:11):
overnight it that's right, that's.
Right. You know, I'm not driving to
Washington or wherever it is. Yeah, that's right.
The old VHS tapes Yes yes Each flip out the.
Six floor head coach. Hysterical.
Oh. My God, that's crazy.

(21:31):
That is so crazy to hear that. But what, what other schools
were you looking at? Were you looking at BC?
Yeah, I was recruited by them. I was recruited by a lot of
schools, but it really came downto like Temple and UConn and a
lot of A10 schools. Yeah, bigger schools kind of

(21:52):
fell off for two reasons. I got injured, broken this bone
in pre season against one of ourformer teammates, High school
team Torian Sowell's bridge torch.
Torian also ended and in Jay Chuck's career, so he's 2 for
two. He gave Ed and J Chuck a

(22:12):
concussion, so that's great, butI.
Still see him and he he looks like he could still play, no?
He could man, he's they're, they're doing great with that,
that Husky investment group. I know he's part of that and
he's got kids, but wow, that's crazy.
So he broke that bone even before the season began.
Well, he didn't break it. He he was a guard and when I

(22:36):
tackled went first and it kind of like the pressure just popped
it right here. So I, I played in a cast the
whole season playing left tackleand linebacker.
It's not. You had the club on.
Club, I had the club. I had to wear the club.
It was the worst experience in my life.

(22:56):
I had to wear the club my sophomore year.
The last three games of the season I had a broken wrist.
And who am I going against on scout team?
None other than Tyler King. Oh.
My God. And Tyler King is coming like
it's Super Bowl 40 and I'm getting pissed.

(23:20):
And I remember I just threw him down and I started bashing him
in his helmet with my club. I.
Remember this. You do remember that now?
Bad. There weren't too many people
stronger than you, especially your upper body.
Yeah, see that? Because there there there was
another time I well, you you definitely bitched me freshman

(23:44):
year in the IT was like one of my first board drills.
I was like, I had lost weight toplay DN.
So go with those. Yeah.
You were like for DN, yes. And then I dropped down to like
2:45 and I, you just rolled me up, dude.
I was like, oh man, I don't havea shot.

(24:06):
Well, that's OK. I mean, that's that's the job.
I got rolled up by Chad Cook andRon Gamble my first year at the
Berkshires. They put they put me against
Chad Cook and I I just raised myhand and I said, is this for
real? Like this isn't a joke.
They're like, no, you're going and that.

(24:27):
Freshman year I was like, well thank God we got Biggie Row
because no one. Yes, yes, exactly.
Oh. Fucking strong dude, it was so
cool to watch. Oh, I know that.
Fire hydrant. He was a rock.
He was just he. Was and he was, he was, he was
like the strongest guy on the team.

(24:47):
And with all the lifts, yeah. And, and he's man, he's been
great. He's, he became one of my
sponsors. He does, he does all like tax
plans for businesses now. So that's his big thing.
He opened up his own company. He's down in Florida with his
cousin and they're doing well. And I, I love, I love talking to

(25:12):
him. I just love his laugh.
I just, whenever he laughs, I can't stop laughing.
I try not to laugh, but his laugh is just, it's just too
much. It's just too much.
A freshman pretty easy in those D line meetings because, well,
he. Was he he was he was different
than like Gamble and Cook would would not.

(25:33):
I would describe as people. They're not people pleasers or
people persons, whatever. I had Gamble on the show and
Gamble was was much nicer. Gamble was normal.
I was like, you know, I was afraid of you for like a year
and a half. He's like, yeah, I know.
That's that's the that was the point, like, oh, OK.

(25:55):
And Chad Cook I really was afraid of he said, well, him you
should have been. I'm thinking I was 100%.
But yeah, those, those guys weredudes, man.
They were, they were tough. But I mean, you came in, I can't
remember. Did they make you or try to make
you stay for the summer? You're coming in as a freshman.

(26:19):
No, no, I, Oh good. We had another All Star game.
It was like Connecticut versus Rhode Island before we reported
and the the coach had us going through like it.
It was not All Star practice. It was like training practice.

(26:39):
So, so I actually went down to the office and spoke to Randy
and I was like, I, I filled him in.
I was like, you want me doing this?
And he was like, no, get out of that.
So I, I actually later that day and then 'cause I wasn't trying
to risk it for this stupid game.And Connecticut got worked.
Anyways, kudos to Rhode Island by Rhode.

(27:00):
Island. Really.
I think we had, I'd say our top ten state like collegiate league
didn't play in that, didn't play.
Yeah, that's that's right. That's what I would figure.
So now what I do remember is because I never hear the end of

(27:22):
the from Ed, Ed hosted you on your visit, obviously.
And Ed was ended up being like 8for eight on visits.
Whoever they gave him ended up committing.
So he always became the the hostof choice.
So he he always bragged it's. True.
He he was the best. He was a great host, yes.

(27:44):
Yes, you never had a bad time with that.
Great dude, so funny, so likableand.
Then the the other gift I I received from you, my first fake
ID well, not fake ID. You gave him a real ID.
It was this little Arab guy who didn't really look like me, but

(28:06):
it passed. It worked.
I never got shut down anywhere That you were the first one to
give me an ID and where. I wonder where the hell I got
that I. You, you were being nice.
You said here this, I mean, thiskind of looks like you.
You can have it. Yeah.
And he had. Similar features back in the

(28:28):
day. So someone must and I said I
know a better guy. I I just remember going on
spring break and I was like the only one who could get in
because I gave my ID that let mein.
Nobody else could give in. I got in with that.
I used that. I got, I had to use that for two

(28:51):
years until I had to become Ed and J Chuck for a year.
That, that, that was, that was the misery when I had to take
Ed's ID and be Ed and J Chuck for a year and he couldn't wait.
He was counting it down every every month.
He'd remind me. He's like 10 more months.
You're going to be out in J. Chuck can't wait.
He's coming, coming right aroundthe corner.

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Are you an 81 or 82 baby? I'm 81.
OK, OK. I'm 81.
But yeah, he, he he couldn't wait to give me his ID.
He was, he was eighty. He probably got held back five
times. I don't know.
I remember the high. School highlight film.
Sean I don't think anyone will ever forget his high school

(29:34):
highlight film It. Looked like he was playing
against Oompa Loompas. Oh.
My God, it looked like child abuse.
It was it like to this day, it was the best highlight tape
ever. It had the narration from the
NFL Films guy. It was it's amazing.
He didn't go to like Penn State off of that.

(29:57):
It was just it was just unbelievable.
And then I just remember his freshman year, he didn't travel,
so he had to do the Friday morning workouts.
And the strength coach before Jerry Martin, Mike Golden,
absolutely hated him. Hated him.
And for for one reason, well, probably more than one, but the

(30:20):
main reason was because Ed was smart enough.
Ed got an air conditioner in hisdorm room.
And that. Drove Golden up a fucking wall.
He got a note from his doctor saying he had allergies or
something. Yeah, he's the same.
And he and he had an air conditioner.

(30:41):
He's like, fuck it in J Chuck, you're so goddamn soft.
You need an air conditioner. You're going to sweat today.
And then I, I remember the storywhere they put like 365 on and
he had to squat it once and if he got it once, they didn't have
to go run stadiums. And so he gets in, he get there.

(31:04):
I'm not there. I just heard this.
He gets in there, he gets the bar on his back and everyone's
cheering him on, going crazy. Let's go ahead and he's
screaming. He steps back, goes down, boom.
It's a bar. That's it.
Golden's like, let's go out up to the stadium.

(31:25):
He made everyone go out. And that just that just cracked
me up. He just, he could, could not
catch a break. He, he, he was, he was amazing.
He was amazing. And now he lives in, he lives in
Charlotte, NC. He works at a Community College

(31:47):
and his favorite thing he gets to work security on game day for
his Community College football. Nice, that's.
What he loves to do. He's happy.
That's great. Yeah, yeah.
He, he works. He works security.
He's got one of those yellow jackets on, guys.

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Like if you're on a team like when we were three and eight and
then 2:00 and 9:00 and then two and six before we finish 6th and
6th, he's a guy every team needsthat when you're in the shitter,
he could just bring joy to it. Like never.
Nothing could bring him down, Yeah.
And you need that, really need that, because there's some funny

(32:31):
shit that happened. I used to.
I used to always tell a joke, like if we were at Hiroshima or
Nagasaki and the bomb went off and like Ed survived, he'd get
up and he'd be like, well, fuck,we made it.
Yes. He'd be like thrilled.
He'd be like all happy, we're alive, we're good to go.
That's just never had a bad day in his life.

(32:53):
Never had a bad day in his life.A little rubbed.
Off on me. I took a cue from Eddie.
So you remember Muncie IN the state?
Yes. Yes.
So it's the last game of the year I remember vividly and and
the game got pushed back a day, right?
No, the game didn't get pushed back a day, but the the plane

(33:18):
was like 8 hours late. Yeah.
Yeah, so you know, we get back from the game, guys are trying
to go to the liquor store, 'cause we after again and then
we finally get the call to go tothe airport.
Put the Nats delayed again, Yes.We end up sitting on the tarmac.
Disaster. So, so Randy's furious.

(33:44):
Oh yes, Well, he was going to have his practice, which I
didn't know, Yeah. Yeah, because he was probably
going to get tired even though and so Eddie's like, what do you
what do you think's going to happen next?
I'm like, I don't know, we need something to like lighten this
boot up. Like this is so bad.
Like go, I'm not talking to him.So Edsa like catches us talking

(34:06):
and he's like out and I start laughing like a nervous
reaction, you know like it's what he's like what the fuck is
so fucking OK? Hey and I was if anything else
goes wrong tonight, we're going down like he laughed because it

(34:26):
was true so and our asses kicked.
It was like 20 below the line heaters that we had were melting
all our cleats and helmets. They.
Were turned on afterburner because it was so cold.
We can't get to the airport. That's delayed like it was.
We go. Back to the hotel, remember?

(34:47):
Guys are drinking or trying to drink.
What's so fucking funny? I was.
Trying to go in the pool. Yeah, yeah.
We we had checked out. It was, it was over.
We were like, that's going to beback.
Guys are trying to transfer likeit was awful.
It was, it was that was brutal. That was absolutely brutal.

(35:09):
And I, I was trying to remember like did did you end up starting
your entire freshman year or youwere in the rotation?
Six out of the 11 I started and I play.
I played in all 11. Right, right.
But yeah, you know, we being a freshman, we had a great D line.

(35:29):
We had, we only had Donnie Roberts for a year, but he was a
great players. Coach Rennell was amazing.
Jamar was just. Yeah, he was.
He was a difference maker. Senior leader in that group, he
was fantastic because you got guys care less about the
freshman, but he was the complete opposite.
He wanted to make sure, you know, the school got better.

(35:53):
That's exactly what he said whenI interviewed him.
He said that he knew like we weren't going to have a great
year, but he knew like it's my job to set the tone for the
freshman to make sure that they're going to be ready to go
as we make this jump to 1A. That's that's what I'm going to
focus on, helping them get better, helping them develop.

(36:13):
And he really cared and he legitimately did, and that's
what he focused on. And I think it made a difference
with you guys. I mean, I could, I could
wholeheartedly say he definitelytook me and some other guys
under his wing. You know, we were both middle
linebackers and UConn is the onethat moved us to DNS.
DNS. Right we.
Would room together and talk about a lot about that because

(36:37):
we were so, you know, young at the position.
We we didn't know any of the tricks or how you know, he was
telling me how to read the offensive lineman stance.
Oh, he, yeah, he knew that inside and out.
Yeah. You know, proper angles to take.
He was the king at either, well,he was really the king at
chasing down a stretch run play or like the start of a bootleg.

(37:01):
Like he was really good. Like if they didn't block him
and they let him loose on the back, he he'd make all those
plays and then later on bootlegsand he would get used to that.
So, intellectually, a phenomenalfootball player.
Now you made a a pretty big jumpfrom your freshman the sophomore

(37:22):
year. You got a lot bigger, you got a
lot stronger. They ended up moving you inside,
which I thought was a brilliant move.
And you know, they put UI outside and they put Tyler
outside and that's, and Greg wasinside Greg Swan.
And that's really when you guys were a force.

(37:44):
I mean, that year you really came into your own and started
to improve. It was, it was 2000, 2001, 2002,
right? Yeah, and 2003 was?
Yeah, but you became like I, I never would have expected you to
be as good as you were at 3 technique just because of your

(38:04):
size. But because of how big you were
and how strong you were, you were you were a load in there
and you were tough to move. And that made everything work
defensively. That made such a huge
difference. What do you, what would you say?
Like Hank Hughes taught you differently than Donnie Roberts

(38:25):
did. You know, I had so much more
time with Hank. So here's what so it it don't
countless. Donnie definitely was great
there. You know, he was great in every
aspect of preparation, film watching.

(38:46):
Like I I was surprised when he got hired or fired.
And then Hank was, you know, hiswhen he came over his resume
wasn't like overblowing. No, no it wasn't.
But. You know, I was like, what's
this guy? And it's the first thing is
like, we're going to move you inside.
And I was like, fucking great, dude.
I'm like who with cleats, You'removing me inside.

(39:10):
I penniest longest legs and you want me to put on like 30-4
months? All right, I'll see what I can
do you. Did it though, yeah.
What helped was I had to get heavy for high school my senior
year because most recruiting me for tackle.
But then once I UConn was reallythe only offer that stuck

(39:32):
through and said and said I could play defense.
I was like, all right, I'll shedsome weight.
Shed weight for freshman year and a freshman year I'm like 242
thirty I remember. I remember.
Randy's like we're moving you inside.
I'm like, great. Anything for the team, Yeah.

(39:52):
Whatever you need. Selfishly, it solely screwed up
my everything works so great, you know?
You look. Yeah, you look at my body and
what I finished playing was a lot more natural at my
progression. Should have been like
quarterback, tight end or football.

(40:15):
But it is what it is. Or maybe even the end.
But anything inside is tough when you're this big and you
don't have much of an ass. Were you, Was that the main
reason you picked UConn was because they wanted you for
defense only? School that wanted me to play
defense, they were the only. School OK.
I'm not trying to play 3. I just, you know, I, I, I wanted

(40:39):
to get laid at one point in college.
We all do. Yes, yes, very true.
That was the one way ticket to not get laid.
Yeah, it is. It is the one way ticket to not
get laid. They're very, very astute.
Maybe I can get one or two girls, but if I'm 315, I'm not.
No one's checking me out. Like no.

(41:01):
No. So did you, did you end up
staying up for the summers afteryour freshman and sophomore
years? Did you try to stay up?
Yeah. I stayed up every summer, every
year. Every summer, OK.
And you know that that helped with the that.
Made a big difference, yeah. And then you could take like a
couple classes. So your fall was a little bit
easier, you know, like making sure you had no classes on

(41:24):
Friday was huge. And also it was easy for me.
You know what, we had so many teammates from Florida, like
Florida. So, you know, it was easy for me
to be like, all right, I just drive like an hour and a half
away, go home for the weekend. So a lot of times I would take
guys down with me. I feel like you might have

(41:46):
experienced that one after time.Absolutely tried to.
Take a bunch of dudes down, you know Fincher still has a store.

(42:53):
Oh, you're good. OK, sorry.
I got a phone call but I oh. Yeah.
I turned everything off and thenit went to voicemail and it's
like, why is that taking precedent over this video?
Don't. Worry about it.
So you said Fincher had a story.Oh.
Yeah, so Fincher brought him down like the summer O 2-3 and

(43:17):
it was his first time with an ice luge drinking.
Oh, so you know, you don't you don't taste it because it's
frozen. Whatever you taste tastes great
it. Does.
So, you know, we had a little trip to Norwalk Hospital.
Yeah, yeah, the. Kids up at the hospital so we.

(43:43):
Handled it great. We made sure we needed.
I didn't think he needed to go to the hospital, but some other
teammates wanted to be rather besafe than sorry, which I totally
obliged. Somebody.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
All right, so all right, let's, let's get to let's, let's get to
the highway. You guys got mixed.

(44:04):
I don't know. I think for us, in order to get
someone who was drinking to drive, we had to like go
somewhere to to meet someone. Anyways, they take the car to
the hospital and there's like 4 guys with them and I'm like all
right, I'm going to stay back and go back to the party because
I know everything's going to be OK.

(44:25):
But over and I asked the cop, I was like can I, I don't have a
ride? Can I get a ride?
And he's like sure. So the cop drove me home in the
front seat. It was pretty, pretty
hysterical. Oh my God, yeah.
That is absolutely crazy. The one thing I wanted to ask
you is you ended up becoming a really good leader and just

(44:50):
developing those leadership skills.
It's not always easy and you know, you found a way to do it.
You had guys that definitely listen to what you had to say,
respected you. And I think it's obviously
because, you know, you backed itup with your performance.
You weren't all talk, but what do you think gave you such good

(45:11):
leadership qualities? Well, I'm clearly a chatty
person, so that helps. No, it does.
It's. Hard to lead by example 'cause
you have to be really, really good, you know?
I think Sean Phil Dyson, our other captain with UI, who was

(45:31):
the prime example of leading by,you know, by showing what his
skills were 'cause he didn't talk too much.
No, he was quiet. To come from a walk on kicker to
like a top receiver in four or five years in the country was
just awesome. Like he backed his shit up for

(45:52):
me. I just had like a love of the
game and didn't really have likeif I was do if we were all doing
hard shit, I didn't have patience for someone taking time
off because it wasn't fair. I was pissed.
Like you're taking this shit offLike no, we all got to fucking
do this. Fucking do it.

(46:13):
And I didn't really like, you know, no one likes to lose.
So that was motivation. It was all motivated based like
and. And.
It was like, if if I'm doing this, you got to do this too, or
if you're doing this, I'll do ittoo.
Like whatever. You know, there's, there's guys
that I learned it from. Like it wasn't just me, like,

(46:35):
oh, he was there a year before me and he was the same way.
You know, he was like, we got todo this shit.
We want to get better. Like, you know, you don't want
to be some sloth, but it does help to articulate it to certain
players. Like, yeah.
Like Tyler's a great example too, king of if you can, if you

(46:57):
can get in his ear, he'll do anything like.
So he didn't really have like a problem with the work that that
get ethic. It was just like focusing on.
Yes, yeah. Well, Mark Markowski would take
his ADHD medication too, which would help, which wouldn't help
either. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I

(47:22):
know. I know.
The the 2003 year, you know, we finished O2 on such a great
note, beating Iowa State and then O3, you guys just went on a
tear. You had such a great year.
It was one of the only nine win teams besides 2009 I think was

(47:44):
one and then this past year was a nine win year.
So those are only the only threeteams that had nine wins.
What do you? Yeah.
Well, I know that. I know you played the tough
schedule. You played a much tougher
schedule. Our. 3 losses are are no
pushovers I mean. It was NC State.
I mean, if if you played the schedule they played this year,

(48:06):
you would have been undefeated. I think you would have been.
I think you would have been everyone.
But that that was, I mean, the opening of the stadium, which
was crucial. You know, it was Thunder Dans
last year. You had so much talent on both
sides of the ball and that's what I think is missing, you
know, with with NIL and the transfer portal developing

(48:28):
players. And that was the one thing Randy
and his staff, they always did agood job developing guys.
And that's kind of a lost start now because you don't know how
much time you're going to have with them.
But you know, what do you think stuck out of that 2003 year?
Because you played bad ass defense and you scored a hell of

(48:48):
a lot of points on offense, Yeah.
I'd say, you know, as a team anda school, we were just like fed
up with, like the naysayers. And since we had been around a
couple years now, we could see the other schools that were
getting all the hype and the attention and we were like, we

(49:10):
can hang with these guys. If not, you know, beat them
'cause we we had seen it with the recruiting, with the players
with. So there was huge chip on our
shoulders, huge. And we all kind of like fed off
that, you know, the the grade after me was fantastic with the.

(49:33):
Motor City Bowl. Yep.
They were. They were great in following up
on that leadership, you know, inthat drive and that commitment
and that hate towards the haters.
It was really all about proving people wrong because no one
believed in new Kung football, Imean.
Nobody did. And we knew deep down inside we

(49:54):
could play. We had really good coaches,
really good players and you know, every game.
I think we were also like, we'veproved it with like the bookies
because we always covered. We always.
Did every herb St. bet against us every week?
Used to drive me nuts but. Every everyone would tell me

(50:17):
like, you guys are Vegas becauseyou're always covering when
they're not thinking you're going to.
And I'm like, that's kind of like how we feel like no one
thinks we can hang with these people in that building off.
You're seeing your Iowa State, you know, that win was so
fucking huge. Yeah, Super Bowl, it was one of,
like, the happiest moments in all of sports for me.

(50:39):
That was incredible. And we didn't want that to be
like a poof, you know, like, just like we wanted to reassure
people like we're for real. And we're actually even better
now. And I know it just sucks because
there's 10 million bowl games now.
Had you gone to a bowl game thatyear, you would have annihilated

(51:01):
anyone you played. I mean, you were playing so well
by the end of the year. I mean, I think the last game
you dismantled Wake like 52 to 10 or something like that.
I mean, you just, you guys were on fire.
Yeah. I I didn't play in that game,
but I played a month later in the blue grey game the.
Blue grey game, yes, and I. Know, you know, that game is

(51:23):
right around the time it was Christmas, so it's right around
the time we probably would have played a bowl.
So I know I would have played inthe bowl and that that would
have been amazing. I was fortunate enough to play
in the blue Gray game because UIhad just had surgery.
The micro fracture. Yeah, originally supposed to
play in it. And then they invited me, which
was awesome, Awesome experience.So did you end up signing with

(51:48):
an agent right out of college? Did you know who you wanted to
go with? Yeah, I signed with Joe Lenta
you. Were with lenta, that's right.
That's what it was, OK. I almost went with Gooey's guy
Sherman. Yeah, the New York sports guy.
Really liked him. What I liked about Joe was, you

(52:12):
know, he treated me not like a normal player going into the
NFL. He was like, you suck here,
here, here. You get better here, here, here,
and we'll see what we can do. And he.
Was a Connecticut guy too, whichI think makes a difference.
Yeah. That that helped.

(52:33):
So I just liked where I could tell, like the areas he said I
needed to improve. I I knew he was right.
So I knew he was watching the games, checking me out.
He looked for the type of playerI was, like a free agent player,
not like a high draft pick. His kind of sweet, you know, was

(52:55):
better for me 'cause he had worked with a, you know, all the
teams for lower free agent guys that try to make the bottom end
of that roster. And I, I couldn't remember, did
you end up going to Cleveland first as well?
You didn't. That's right.
Went. To Cleveland with UE out there

(53:15):
and then failed me on my physical.
For my. Neck.
And then I went to New England for a Med checkup.
They passed me, but they didn't have me try out.
And then I got signed by the Rams in July.
I was there. That's right.
A. Long weekend, like 3-3 or four

(53:38):
days because Leonard Little and Kevin Carter were holding out.
Once they signed, they released me.
Right. And then?
I went to Atlanta a couple weekslater, like a week in the
training camp where Jim Mora wasthe coach, but I was only there.
I got 2 practices in in 12 hours.
My that's a. Businessman.

(53:59):
That's so crazy. Michael Vick went on a bootleg,
gave me a little shake and my knee kind of gave way, but it
wasn't like a ligament. It was wear and tear.
I needed my knees badly. Yeah.
Loose. Bodies.
Yeah, all that. Crap.
So I get the scope done in September.

(54:20):
I don't seem to rehab with so I'm doing it at like Sacred
Heart. I go for my first NFL Europe,
try out that winter, get fined or get drafted by the Hamburg
Sea Devils. Go to there.
Jack. Mcnell right L and I've got go

(54:41):
for my knee yeah, I do bail the bio decks, but I'm like.
That God damn bio decks. Then I have a try out with the
49ers, Steelers, Bills where Malarkey said my hips were too
thin and Patriots. The the Patriots was cool.
It was mini camp and I went withKrug, so it was rookie.

(55:04):
That's right, days. I I had a great camp.
Me felt great. Mangini's calling out all the
players. What do we do here?
What do we do here? I answer all these questions
correctly. I think I'm in.
I think I'm a lock. And they cut me and I was
pissed. So when you get cut, you shower

(55:26):
up, you get a quick bite to eat,and you leave.
So there's a guy like a younger type of scout.
The Turk. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
The Turk, yeah. He goes.
You got to go. And I was, well, I I just got
cut and I just practiced for twohours.
So can I? Shower please can I get
something to eat and. And no, I go, really, he said.

(55:47):
No, no, I I go, I go. I bet Coach Belichick's not cool
with that. And he goes, why don't we go
find out? Thinking I would just back away
of. Course, yeah, you're not going
to back away. No, you don't know me.
No, so we he he takes me to Belichick's office and in his

(56:11):
office is Pepper Johnson, who was my D line coach.
And Mangini. Wow.
Oh. That's right, right?
So he's like, what's what's going on?
And I was like, hey, a couple things.
Was wondering if I could get a bite to eat before I left.
And he's like, yeah, and also why I didn't make the team
because I had a great camp. And he goes, you did have a

(56:33):
great camp, but we think you're like the same player as Mike
Wright. So it's not really, it's not,
you know, upping our our roster and so.
Yeah. And and then we got to pay you.
So it's a lateral move, not a whatever move.
We're not upgrading. And I said, all right, thanks,
thanks for your honesty. So that Turk, the prick who

(56:55):
tried to bullet. It's.
Now the GM of the Houston Texans.
Of all he's Cassaro. Oh, I heard.
I I, I everything I read about him.
He was he was a douchebag. So that's that's hilarious.
I didn't know that was him. Wow, he started young.
Oh my God. So you, I mean, you had a lot of

(57:19):
stops before your first year in NFL Europe then, right?
That's all D line. That's all D line, Yeah.
So, so no one has signed me and I, I go to Joe, I go I, I think
it's kind of might be over. And he's like, it may not be.
And I was like, all right, well,I, I know he.
Kept getting you workouts, whichwas good.

(57:40):
He kept getting you in places that's.
What was huge, that's why, whichwas huge.
He had convinced me that he had all these relationships and it
it panned out to be true. Yeah.
So I go to him, I say, hey, I think I can play tight end.
And he goes what I said, yeah, Ithink I can play tight end,
though. He works me out at Yale with my

(58:02):
former teammate and our former opponent at Temple, quarterback
Mac DeVito. Matt.
DeVito, yes, I remember him, yes.
Throwing to me at Yale. We make a video and we send it
out the winter of O5 going into O 6.
Oh my God, you actually made a video at like the Yale Bowl or

(58:25):
one of the workout places of himthrowing you ball.
So guess how I so I get signed like a month later?
It was Cincinnati, right? Or.
There's first, Carolina first, OK, And I'm in the parking lot
of Giants Stadium. Yes.

(58:45):
Eating with Jerry Reese and DaveGettleman?
Yes. About becoming a scout.
Are you kidding me? So I'm Joe calls me right when I
get to Giants Stadium and I go, what's up?
And he goes the the Panthers aresigning you.
And I was like the tight end. And he's like, yeah, I was like,

(59:05):
this is unbelievable. And he's like, what do you do
now? He's like.
A scout and. He goes well, tell them they
signed you. You know, go into the meeting,
but make sure you tell them, tell them Carolina signed you to
put that's the. Board, that's the greatest story
ever. I know it's crazy and.
They told the car with them I wanted.

(59:26):
To get into scouting and eventually become AGM.
But those meetings scared me away because oh.
Really. Oh yeah, dude.
They were like, you'll make like10 to 20 grand.
Your yeah. Yeah.
You know, I'm like I got a finance review.
I can I can go like 40 minimum which ended up doing but it

(59:49):
totally I didn't see the recession coming.
Nah. Nobody did.
That's OK. But the experience was
hysterical because they were like, well, what are you doing
here for a scout job? I was like, I literally just
found out in the parking lot. They were like, wow.
So it hadn't even really come across their wires yet.
Yeah, yeah. And it's it's so tough to get

(01:00:10):
into that and what you know, I always talk about it with one of
my other Co hosts. He can't stand the NFL front
office department because he thinks, you know, they make so
many mistakes. And I try to tell him like, it's
not on the scouts. The scouts are on the road.
They look at all the guys, they write up the reports, the GM,

(01:00:33):
the people in charge, everyone in the front office.
I don't think they read them or take much stock into what they
say. I think they know what they're
doing. I just don't think they care the
the upper guys, they, they don'tlisten to them.
And that's where I think the disconnect is, yeah.
It's you also got situations like, you know, not anymore, but

(01:00:54):
Daniel Snyder would go half day and be like we're getting this
guy in where we're. Taking RG3?
Yeah, or. You got, you know what?
What's his name with the Cowboys?
Oh, Jerry Jones. Yeah.
So you have, you know, there's probably 5/10/15 owners who are
screwing shit up by putting their two cents in.

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And then you know, you've got, then it's just that guessing
game. It's unbelievable.
I mean, it is. It's a crapshoot.
It's a crapshoot. Overthink it so much.
I used to say that as a college coach, because I was at Holy
Cross for 10 years and after we'd be watching the game film
for the 52nd time, I'd be like, why?

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I don't need this. I, I know what they're doing.
I every formation we run, I knowhow they align to it.
I know they're top blitz. I I know what works.
I know it doesn't. Why do I need to watch this?
And it's the same thing. It's I, I always think
football's not that complicated.Yeah, we, we just, we make it
that way. We make it over to.

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It's way too complicated so. Here's a Here's a good lesson
for everybody that loves football.
D line is probably the easiest position mentally.
You just have to know where to line up.
Just get. Your gap, yeah.
Gap or you know, if it's a stunt.
Yep. Or like a zone blitz.

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Right, there's. Really only three things you
need to worry about when I switch to tight end.
Oh, you know, talk about over tough, toughest position.
You know, I was like, fuck me with this verb verbiage and like
just tell me to go run a nine round or or tell me to block.
It was, it was awful. I, I coached tight ends and it

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it formationally it was difficult because they called
the formation for the receivers where to line up in the tight
end would be opposite. So that would be tricky.
And you know, the route combinations they would it, it
was all pure memorization. And I get like you don't want to

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numerically call or have a name for every route, but they made
it difficult. But it's a tight end, you're
expected to block like a tackle and run routes like a receiver.
And it's just it's it's very fewguys can do it well.
It's very, it's a very, very difficult position Any.

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B lineman worth a lick, especially at the end when we
see a tight end lined up on us. We are drooling.
Absolutely you. Love it.
You love it because they don't want to block.
Bullying and then so that's whatI took to the game, switching to
tight end. I was like, you know, these guys
have no these D NS have no like I'm I'm coming at them like a
three technique, even though I'mplaying tight end.

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So that's what I. Because most of the tight ends
will position block, they'll just turn their ass into the
hole and try to position block you and you just gave them in.
Yeah, I was trying to get some pancakes up on that and.
That and that was the biggest thing I tried to work on.
I'm like, guys, we're not doing that.
We're not position blocking. You're going to fire out and get
some movement. The the none of that turning

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your ass in position blocking. That's the worst thing.
So I mean, you loved being over in Germany, right?
And where was the time of your life?
I. Loved it over there.
It was so much fun. It's too bad that they folded it
because I do think they need a developmental league because so

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many guys wash out and there's no opportunity for them to keep
playing. And I think, you know, they can
develop. They could get better if they
had a chance to. But now there's nowhere to go.
You know, there's nowhere they have the UFL, but that's limited
with the teams they have. And you know, they play in one
place. So that that's a struggle.

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Canada, there's there's no real money and there's only a few
teams. So I you know, if if they NFL
Europe was peanuts for the NFL, it was it was $1 million per
team to cover the expenses. Use that, it costs too much.

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Yeah, it was. It was and and the only reason
it shut down was because it was Paul Tagley, Boo's baby.
When Rodger Goodell took over, he was like, no, we're not doing
this. Meanwhile.
Every team over there. He shut, he shut it down and now
they, they play freaking like eight games a year over

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somewhere, which is nuts. So you, I, I know you got out
and you got into the financial world and you did very well.
And I, I can't remember when didyou get married exactly?
2012. OK, you got married in 2012 and
when did you have your first kidbefore the twins?

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Or were the twins first? No.
No daughter was 2013 OK and. Then you had the twins.
Yeah, had the. Twins in 2015.
Right, right. Or 2017 had the twins.
Have you been, have you been able?
Well, you haven't really gone back to a lot of games of recent

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right to see UConn. Like a year and a half ago.
OK, Yeah, we're, we're trying todo more with that.
I, I've talked with Phil Hunt and Kevin Freeman because that's
the, the biggest thing we want to try to increase is alumni
relations because that's, that'sthe biggest failure we have
right now, especially compared to other schools.

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And it's not that hard to do. We have 25,000 kids that go to
UConn and just building a network to work together would
be incredible. Keeping the money with each
other would be incredible. So that's, that's really what
we're what we're aiming to do with it.

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Do you see yourself? Would you ever want to coach?
You know what, I've done a lot of training.
I like working small groups wereone-on-one.
The coaches I've dealt with my whole life have sucked.
The coaching I have no interest in in being a part of a coaching

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staff or anything like that. It's really a single man's job.
Yeah. It is very.
Tough on a family and I, but I, I love working with kids.
I love, you know, sharing my knowledge.
I've always got good little. So being a shitty player

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professionally and bouncing around a lot, I got exposed.
You learn, yeah, exposed to a lot of different things.
It helps a lot. You know, like my favorite thing
that I learned from the Rams, even though I was there like 3
days as you take 22 huge garbagecans and you fill them up with

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sand for for one for each arm. And you put your arms down
there, and you twist, and you turn, and you go up and you go
down, and that makes like your hands.
Wow. So strong.
And I was like, this should be in every football locker room
across the country. It's it's a garbage.
Amazing, yeah. It, it's pretty easily

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accessible and it made such a difference with my hand
strength, my arm strength like it, it was, it was big and you
know, a lot of different places using different martial arts,
stuff like that. That was the.
Guy Julius, he, he trains the offense and defensive lineman.
They're doing a camp April 29th.That is something I should, I'm

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coming out for it that you should go to because that's
something I'm, I'm trying to getstarted here in New York, the
5V5 and training offense and defensive lineman because nobody
really does it and there's a market for it.
And he makes pretty good money doing it.
And with your expertise and knowledge, you should at least
have a conversation with them because you have a name.

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I mean, you're big in Connecticut.
People would flock to work with you.
And I think that's something youcould definitely do and you
you'd love it. So I'll, I'll, I'll let you know
for sure when, when I come out, because you could take a look at
it and see if it's something youwant to pursue.
But I have to say, this was a very thoroughly entertaining

(01:09:41):
Husky talk. Well worth it, well worth the
wait. It's great to see you well.
It's great to talk to you. I mean, we could always do Part
2 and I can tell you about. Yes, yes, Anytime, anytime,
anytime now, man. Listen, everyone, you were the
most asked about person. Everyone asks about you.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, the other person, Jordan
Younger was the other one peopleasked about.
But yeah, everyone would ask about you.
You know what you were doing if I had talked to you to get you
on the show, Tommy asked me, youknow, even I know you called who
we who we had asked me, Terry, all those guys.
So it's good. It's good.

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And we'll definitely get together when I come up there
because I'd love to see you. But yeah, this was, this was
great. This was a great show.
And it will be put up. I'll make sure to send it to you
and I'll send you Coach Ambrose's show as well.
So thank you very much, Sean Mulcahy for being on Husky Talk.

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It's been. A pleasure.
Let's do that. Yes, yes we will.
We will. Got to love the podcast.
So this is just my my closing. So you know, remember when life
gives you lemons, don't make lemonade.
Take two oranges. Throw them right back at life.