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September 29, 2025 49 mins
  • Following their conversation with Dr Steve Hassan in part 1 about cult apologists, our hosts kept talking!  In this part 2 of the conversation they talk about the importance of survivor voices in research, and why historically some researchers have appeared to listen to cult leaders rather than cult survivors. They share some illuminating facts about specific cult apologists, and how a minimising narrative from apologists has had impacts in New Zealand.

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  • Website: CESNUR (Centre for Studies on New Religions) - run by Massimo Itrovigne
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