May 25, 2024 • 43 mins
This week we welcome Johnnie and Iris, Executive producers of FetEvolution, a Dallas based fetish group and event planners to talk all about the importance of creating and maintaining community within the fetish lifestyle.
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CASEY (00:00):
Well, welcome back to yet another episode of come with
(00:02):
Casey.
We are your hosts.
I'm Dr.
Casey Sanders
KARI (00:05):
and I'm Carrie Sanders,
CASEY (00:06):
and we've got a great episode in store for today.
Look, one thing that we talkabout.
On almost every single episodewe've ever done has been
community.
It's been about finding thepeople that, that vibe with you.
It's about finding those spaceswhere you feel comfortable,
where it's consensual, where youhave good, trustworthy people
that can really provide a goodtime for you.
(00:27):
Right?
KARI (00:27):
Yeah, absolutely.
CASEY (00:28):
Awesome.
Well, in, in doing that, we cameacross our two guests that we
have today.
Um, FET evolution that just hadtheir inaugural event, what last
month on, on four 20, right?
Yep.
And Dallas.
And so we want to welcome to theshow, Johnny and iRIS, how are
y'all doing today?
JOHNNIE (00:46):
Good.
How are you doing?
CASEY (00:49):
Oh, we're doing great.
Well, uh, first off, thanks forcoming on the show and providing
us with this, this informationwe're about to get out of you.
Um, so I guess really happy to,obviously happy to, um, I guess,
so let's go ahead and startdiving right in now.
You guys are not mature to, tothe kink scene, correct?
OLIVIA (01:10):
That's correct.
Um, we initially started in tothe kink scene back in our
twenties, actually.
JOHNNIE (01:18):
Um, back, I used to be a DJ in Memphis and, uh, her and
I was both kind of involved witha couple of the clubs that we,
you know, that I was DJing outof.
And they was wanting to dosomething a little bit different
or, you know, kind of changethings up or whatever than the
standard normal club scene atthat time in Memphis and, uh,
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there was like, Hey, let's,let's do an event and it kind
of.
Brainstorm to what type of eventand.
Then it, through thatbrainstorming, it evolved into
like, you know, kind of a kinktype thing, and we had the
opportunity with that particularclub to, you know, kind of be
part of the ground, ground floorof the initial events that they
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were doing.
And over the course of the nextlike four years, they.
Actually did like another half adozen events and we were each
time and another event came orthat they did another event, we
got different roles andpositions and different parts of
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organizing and structuring andsetting up the events and
everything else.
And it kind of, you know,evolved into, we was not
necessarily executive producersat that time, but we was.
Very well in the forefront ofsetting up and running the
events and then doing the
CASEY (02:39):
job without the title, right?
JOHNNIE (02:43):
And then, um, you know, kids and nine to fives and dog
and, you know, fast forward, uh,we decided that, you know, our
kids are older now and the dogis self sufficient too.
We're like, Hey, look, you know,why don't we get back into doing
this again?
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And this was like last Octoberand one thing led to another.
It was like, fuck, let's do it.
And we started putting thingstogether and doing the things
that we know to do as far as,you know, getting an event going
and what it takes to do one.
And one thing led to another,and it almost seems like a blur
(03:26):
that five months.
And it was.
April 20th and like, shit, wegot a show tonight.
Here we go.
So that's kind of how thingscome around.
KARI (03:35):
Um, so I have a question then.
So you,
CASEY (03:38):
that's a lot to cover.
It
KARI (03:39):
is.
And so we're first getting intothe kinks, uh, or I'm sorry,
into, into that lifestyle, may Iask what were, what were some of
the ones that y'all were drawnto?
JOHNNIE (03:51):
Uh, one of the, one of the kinks, one of the, as far
as, um, that kind of drew us in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, the, the BDSM side of kindof things where the exploring
and experimenting with differenttypes of, uh, stimulations, um,
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as far as like, you know, impactplay that type of thing.
It's a
CASEY (04:18):
great one to get involved in.
JOHNNIE (04:19):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Um, we also.
You know, some temperatureplagues, some cold, some hot,
that type of stuff.
Um, also kind of incorporatingthat a little bit with the
impact kind of exploring aroundwith things.
Um, and then I kind of got intosome, what's, what's the word
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I'm looking for?
Uh, experimental and no, not,uh, any kind of master or
anything like that, but kind ofa novice side of doing.
Um, Shabari to where I got tothe point where I can do like,
you know, some, some Karate'ssome, uh, some restraint, you
know, like arm, uh, armrestraint, or like a knee, a
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knee restraint type tie, thattype of stuff.
Um, so between the, the BDSM andthe Shabari is kind of what, you
know, Peaked our interest andkind of took us down that road.
CASEY (05:13):
Yeah, I know.
Those are two things that we'veseen such a rise in, um,
especially in the last few yearsis Shabari is becoming a very
popular one.
In fact, like we, we teach aclass on Shabari for, uh, for
people to get an introduction toit.
So I can get right on board withyou.
It's just something about theaesthetics as well as some of
the power play that you can getinto.
Whenever it comes to somethinglike Shabari or, and then a lot
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of the stuff, whatever it comeslike the impact play, that's
something that, that weparticipate in as well.
And so in fact, some of our mostfun times that we've had has
been at parties where they'llhave like, or they'll have, uh,
something going on.
Her first experience with impactplay.
Was
KARI (05:50):
it was our, the, it was my, not only was it my first
experience with impact play, butit was our first experience at a
sex party.
JOHNNIE (05:56):
Yes.
KARI (05:57):
That was just a whole, whole new doors were open for
us.
JOHNNIE (06:03):
That's a lot.
If you combine those two thingsat the same time for a first
time, that's, that's definitelya lot.
There's a lot going on.
There's a lot going on there.
CASEY (06:14):
We can say it's like kink journalism for us.
So tell me a little bit more.
You said that in the early daysthere were, y'all started
setting up these, these kinkevents, uh, in the clubs and all
that.
What was the experience like ofnavigating those roads?
JOHNNIE (06:28):
Um, well, we, uh, we worked with the club owners.
Uh, it was actually the clubowners that was doing the setups
and that type of stuff.
And, I would go in and, youknow, to set up, do my DJ set
up, do my gig that night orwhatever, and I'll be sitting
around talking with the owners,you know, as we kind of decided
what type of event we was goingto do, and then we started going
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through the dynamics and theactual logistics of, you know,
putting that together and belike, Hey, do you know somebody
that's a dom or a female?
That's a dominatrix.
Cause.
We want to get one.
Um, do you know anybody, youknow, do you know somebody that
knows somebody and it was kindof, which at that time it was
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really difficult.
It was a lot of word of mouthbecause you didn't have
Instagram.
You didn't, I don't even thinkFacebook was on.
OLIVIA (07:18):
It was very, it was a very much.
underground scene.
It wasn't all about getting
KARI (07:23):
on Craig's list.
Yeah.
JOHNNIE (07:26):
I mean, you're going, you're going on my space one.
Is anybody know a dominatrix?
I mean, checking
CASEY (07:31):
out people's top eight to see if you can see any details.
OLIVIA (07:35):
And you had to know somebody who knew somebody.
JOHNNIE (07:37):
So with, with working through those types of logistics
and stuff, especially for thefirst It was, it took us almost
like eight months.
Well, that, and then you to, toput it on.
OLIVIA (07:49):
Yeah.
And then somebody had to likevouch for you to get you into
the scene.
Yes.
It wasn't, you couldn't justwalk into a scene.
Like you had to have somebodythat you to get you in.
JOHNNIE (08:00):
Right.
Um, where we kinda helped us outa lot was the fact that I did
have, you know, a following asfar as with my DJing and that
type of stuff.
There was actually folks thatcome to the club.
Just because I was DJ, I mean,not a brag or anything like
that, but, um, so I startedrelying on those types of
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resources going, Hey, look, uh,this might seem kind of weird,
but you wouldn't happen to knowanybody that likes to spank
people.
Okay.
What's that really?
It sounds kind of funny, but itwas very, very beneficial to.
You know, myself and to the clubowners utilizing that, uh,
audience or that club, regularbase that we had, um, there was
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a ton of resources there and wefound out, you know, somebody
happened to have a cross andwe're like, Okay, maybe we'll
get one of those and throw it inthe corner over here.
And then, you know, somebodyelse knew somebody that liked to
be tied up and you know, it wasjust kind of gradually one
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person at a time, one.
Thought at a time or what I didat a time and working through
it, um, and then bringing it alltogether for that, for that
night, for the actual show.
It
OLIVIA (09:21):
was very much about pushing boundaries.
JOHNNIE (09:24):
Definitely.
OLIVIA (09:24):
Um, more so now because I think that fit and kink is
more accessible.
That's good now than it was backthen.
Yeah.
CASEY (09:33):
That's something that we've, we've had discussion on
before is the fact that you're,you're talking about a time
whenever it was all still verymuch underground where it wasn't
okay to come out and do it inthe, in the regular public and
being like, Hey, guess what?
Everybody, I love leather wearand I love getting beat with
JOHNNIE (09:49):
I'll be real honest with you.
I mean, compared to our veryfirst one that we was involved
in and compared to the one that,uh, We, we just finished.
Instagram was, oh wow.
That was a lifesaver becauseI'll be honest with you.
I don't know if we could go backto Myspace and try and put it
(10:11):
together now.
Yeah.
Facebook was very, very helpful.
Um, Instagram, those differenttypes of platforms.
People, deep
OLIVIA (10:21):
alum, people on Fitlife.
That just the community was sowelcoming.
And, you know, I reallyappreciate them and everything
that they did for us.
KARI (10:33):
Yeah.
And we're begging for eventslike this to happen.
So really, thank you.
JOHNNIE (10:37):
Yeah, for real.
KARI (10:38):
There needs to be more.
And
JOHNNIE (10:41):
It's not a one off there.
We're already in the process ofwhich maybe we can, you know,
test based on this a little bitlater, but we're definitely on
in the process already ofgetting the next one together.
CASEY (10:53):
Good.
Well, send that and hang outwith you guys in person.
Um, I know that one of thethings that you had just said
ours was that, um.
You're talking about thecommunity, right?
And this is a, this is aquestion we get all the time.
People that are, um, I mean, ifhe, if you're a first time
listener, then you need to hearthat this show that we primarily
do is about introducing peopleinto, into the kink community,
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introducing people into, intonew experiences.
And one of the most importantthings that we can tell people
all the time is how.
How paramount it is to start tobuild some sort of circle, start
to introduce yourself to peopleand everyone's start sitting
back going, well, I don't evenknow how to start doing that.
What am I supposed to do?
And, you know, they'll sit backand say, well, I heard you're,
I'm supposed to go on fat life.
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And we always say like, have alittle disclaimer, whatever it
comes to things like that lifeto make sure that you you're
checking the people out who aretalking with you, make sure
you're looking for green flags.
And so I would love to hear fromyou guys about what y'all's
advice would be to people whoare trying to get inserted into
a community.
Um, maybe some things that theyshould look for and the people
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that they're interacting with,and maybe some things that might
be a little bit of a red flag,like, Hey, um, if somebody is
interacting in a certain way,uh, that you might look for a
different community.
OLIVIA (12:07):
Well, I think that, um, it's more, I mean, if you're
starting out, I would think to,um, definitely go to events and,
um, start kind of Experiencingsome of these events and what
they're about.
Um, I think three of the mainthings that you have to have in
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the community is going to betrust, safety, and mutual
respect.
Yes.
And as long as you have thosethree, I think you're going to
be able to navigate fine, justfine within the community.
Um,
JOHNNIE (12:43):
my, my best advice was she's 100 percent correct, but I
think.
From my experiences, everythingstarts with communication.
Okay.
You have to have these clearlines of what your boundaries
are and you have to be able toexpress or convey to that person
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that you're looking at to be apotential.
Um, to potential potential dog,to a potential rigger, uh, some
of that nature there to havethese conversations with these
individuals and see what they'reabout, see what makes them tick,
see, you know, where they areand how they've grown and then
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sit back and evaluate that.
Is that, is if that is somebodythat you could, Move forward
with, or if you need to stepback and evaluate the next
individual.
It's forgive the expressions,kind of like a job interview.
Um, you gotta know what thatperson is bringing to the table
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and whether it kind of gels withyou and where you are at in your
mentality, in your space.
And once you start identifyingthose things, then you turn
around and you start askingthose individuals, those more
specific, more key or BDSM ormore voyeur type, uh, space
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questions to further, you know,extend that communication,
extend those and get past someof those barriers.
Um, and then like she said, goto events and stuff like that.
So have these questions, kind ofhave these different mentalities
and thoughts in mind.
Whenever you go to these eventsand take things slow, don't rush
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into anything.
Okay.
Make sure you feel safe, make sure you feel
comfortable.
Make sure you have the answersto those questions that you
have.
And if you have any doubts, youalways have time.
Okay, you can't go fast enoughto crash.
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Okay, so take things one step ata time.
Go on your pace, your mentality.
And where you're comfortable.
And like I said, forget theexpression, check your boxes.
Okay.
And if a box is not beingchecked, then maybe we need, you
know, kind of look at what'sgoing on and why, or what
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process we need to do orquestions we need to ask.
In order to get that box checkto move forward comfortably.
KARI (15:30):
Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
And one of the things that Ialready said that really stuck
out too, uh, is going to anevents.
So if someone has never been toa kink event and let's talk
about yours, what could someoneexpect to see at this type of
event?
OLIVIA (15:47):
Um, I think it depends on the type of event, because
we're plotting and planningconstantly on, you know, the
different types of events thatwe can bring our 1st event was
very.
I don't want to use the wordmild, but it was definitely like
the inaugural event, like, youknow,
CASEY (16:09):
testing the waters.
And that was the evolution eventthat happened on April 20th,
right?
OLIVIA (16:14):
That's correct.
Um, so we had, you know, a lotof latex, like the, the, The
attendees were absolutelystunning.
Um, the performers were, I mean,above, went above and beyond.
And so, but I think we didn'thave, um, there was no
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intercourse.
No, there was, um, I mean, Idon't want, we had a mobile
dungeon, so there was someimpact play.
Um, but yeah, like I said, itjust depends on the type of
event because we are definitely.
Like planning more and
CASEY (16:52):
more.
And there's that big separationthat we have of people in the,
in the world of kink, where it'slike, there's a difference
between having a play partyversus having like an expo event
with filled with vendors andperformances and those, Those
are for the, for a most aneveryday day to be able to
attend some of these eventswhere it is, if you want to, you
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can enter into a mobile dungeonwhere there's going to be a St.
Andrew's cross and some spankingbenches and various tools to try
out as well as instructors tomaybe be like, here's how you
would do this or even introducepeople.
And at the same time, you can goout and into the event floor and
see, you know, a Shabariperformance, or you can see
maybe a pole dancingperformance.
What are some of theperformances?
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Who are some of the performersthat you guys had at y'all's
first event?
JOHNNIE (17:37):
Um, well, we had, uh, we had Brianna.
She was our, uh, artisticdirector.
Yeah.
Um, and she, she also did aperformance.
We had Iliad who'd come up fromAustin, Texas.
And he did a led poleperformance.
OLIVIA (17:58):
Oh, cool.
Um,
JOHNNIE (17:59):
we had Carissia.
OLIVIA (18:01):
Yes.
She was, um, a pole performer.
JOHNNIE (18:04):
She was our, one of our ambiance pole performers.
Um, then we had Mr.
Juggles.
He did an led pole.
juggling, strip juggling,striptease.
KARI (18:17):
Oh, fun.
JOHNNIE (18:19):
That was, it was, it was amazing.
That sounds
CASEY (18:24):
like a good show to see.
JOHNNIE (18:26):
Oh yeah, most definitely.
Uh, we had, you know, certainexpectations and that type of
stuff in my mind and hisperformance, we were.
Yeah, it far surpasses the case.
OLIVIA (18:38):
I'm so sorry.
I know we're going to misssomebody.
I just apologize in advance.
We had a contortionist.
JOHNNIE (18:45):
Yes, we had, um, fire tire,
OLIVIA (18:47):
fire tiger.
JOHNNIE (18:48):
She was a contortionist.
Um, and then we had,
OLIVIA (18:53):
uh, I mean, it was so many.
It was so,
CASEY (19:01):
I mean, I would probably say that if, if anybody needs
to, like, wants to look at thewhole list, is there a place
where they could go to you?
JOHNNIE (19:07):
Yes.
You can go to, uh, and it hasall the performers.
It also has all the vendors thatwe had.
Also on Instagram, DJs that wasthere.
Um, and then also, as you said,uh, was it bad
OLIVIA (19:24):
evolution on Instagram?
KARI (19:28):
Oh yeah.
We will be tagging all of thisstuff for, for everyone
listening to this.
So don't worry.
Yeah, we will be tagging yourwebsite, your Instagram page,
everything that you give us, wewill tag within this.
So everyone hearing can headover to y'all's page to see
y'all stuff.
JOHNNIE (19:43):
Absolutely.
Always.
Yeah, that would be great.
Thank you so much.
CASEY (19:46):
So, then, in terms of, of Fed Evolution and the, the
trajectory that it has, where doyou guys hope to see this?
JOHNNIE (19:56):
Where do we hope to see it headed?
We hope to see it headed todoing a minimum of at least
three productions a year withone of them being a major
production, which tentativelywe're looking at scheduling our
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next major production for on oraround.
April 19th, 20th around there tokind of make it a yearly thing
about the same time every year.
And then we're looking at doinga couple of like the rest of
this year, we're looking atdoing a couple of more intimate,
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uh, 100, 150 attendee.
Uh, a little bit different, notsay thing, but a little bit
different approach to the fetishthing.
Um, maybe touching on a voyeurkink or touching on a, uh, what?
Um, foot fetish, foot fetishkink or a temperature, kind
CASEY (21:04):
of being just
JOHNNIE (21:06):
as inclusive as we are as in the, with our events in
our productions, also beinclusive with the different
types of productions that we doand give, try and give each
aspect of the, of the kink.
King nation per se, you know, alittle, a nod to the foot
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fetish, a nod to the temperatureplay, so on and so forth.
OLIVIA (21:34):
Yeah.
As producers, we, we definitelysaw that there is a need for a
need for a platform for artistsas well.
I mean, not only for thecommunity, but a lot of the
artists don't have the platformto create, um, these new types
of talent or express theirtalent.
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So that's the other thing is wewanted to provide that for local
artists as well.
JOHNNIE (22:03):
Yeah.
Give them an opportunity todisplay.
I mean, these artists, theseperformers work so hard.
Okay.
Um, putting these acts togetherand presently right now, there's
a very, very limited, you know,outlet for them to turn around
and display those acts.
And you know, we want to
OLIVIA (22:23):
so many of the artists for like, thank you so much for
allowing me to do thisperformance.
I've had this performance in myhead for a while.
JOHNNIE (22:32):
So, so giving that next or giving that additional outlet
and, um, It's definitelyvaluable to the community and to
the performers themselves, butalso giving them the opportunity
or putting it in the mindset tosit there and go, you know what,
I haven't ever done a footfetish act.
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I wonder if I could.
Okay.
Cause now I have a place andopportunity or somebody that I
could go to that does events andgoes, Hey, look, are y'all
looking at doing some type ofevent here where I might be able
to work on this performance.
And have some place to performit.
Okay.
CASEY (23:12):
So if I'm, if I hear that correctly, it sounds like y'all
are trying to give a, an openplatform for people to
experiment with theirperformances.
Yeah.
If they're limited to certaintype of performance that they
can come to you and say, listen,I know that I've done
performance a, I'd really liketo try out, like you're saying,
maybe a foot performance orsomething different.
And you're able to go great.
Bring it on.
Let's see what you have andclear it for, for the show.
KARI (23:34):
I mean, I like the idea of what you're saying though, and
having these like many eventsthat are like aimed event,
almost like this event, we'regoing to be honoring, you know,
temperature played exclusivelyand then having performers come
out that do heat playperformances and education on
it.
I mean, honestly, that's.
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That could be pretty darn coolto do something like that,
because I feel like a lot ofthese events that we've heard
of, it's this big production,which is great, but I've not
heard of little like microproductions before.
That would be really cool.
JOHNNIE (24:08):
One of the things that we're working on right now is an
individual that has a hot waxperformance.
And we're also toying withanother idea that, um, we
actually have somebody.
That we have communicated withthat does this type of thing.
And that's going to be the, uh,what is it?
(24:31):
The hook fetish where you, um,you hook do hooks into, uh, into
your skin and you suspend fromthe hooks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Skin suspension.
Uh, I just drew a blank.
Um, so yeah, we're actuallylooking at incorporating, um, a
couple of those performancesinto.
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So many events that we're indiscussion on.
CASEY (24:58):
Well, that's really cool.
You know, I mean, some of theevents that we've seen around,
it's funny that you mentionedwax play.
That's what we, uh, a big onethat we went to in Dallas in
fall of last year where they hada stage set up and a big wheel
that you spun and pure got waxplay.
And so there was a couple of, acouple of people that just sat
her down and just startedpouring wax for about 10 minutes
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in front of a crowd of about150, 200 people.
KARI (25:23):
I had wax in places for a few days after that, I was like,
how am I still finding wax onme?
Like, that's a whole differentaftercare right there.
That was so, yeah, I was at theevent too.
Afterward, I learned, I just hadwax all over me.
It was fun though.
It was, it
was really
CASEY (25:42):
fun.
But it's great for those peoplelistening that are like, you
know, what are you.
It was like wax play orsomething.
It can be such a really coolspectacle to see and can be a
really, uh, erotic thing toparticipate in
KARI (25:52):
because I had no idea I was interested in wax play until
I got to experience it.
Absolutely.
CASEY (25:57):
Absolutely.
Let's see what aboutexhibitionism?
JOHNNIE (26:00):
As event producers.
Okay.
We want, we want to do thesetypes of productions or these
little micro events or whateverto give the community the
opportunity to not only.
see what else is out there, butalso give them the opportunity
in a safe environment where theycould learn more about it, where
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they could possibly evenexperience it.
Um, and, uh, grow not only withthemselves, okay, but with other
people in the event, okay.
Cause there's a lot of folksthat don't even know, or ever
even been exposed to, you know,a type of wax play or a type of
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foot fetish and bringingawareness to this and including
in some of our more smallerevent, more intimate events.
OLIVIA (26:51):
Facilitates opportunities for individuals to
connect and explore.
JOHNNIE (26:55):
Absolutely.
CASEY (26:57):
Okay.
Well, I love that.
I want to see somebody likedipped in their whole body,
dipped in wax.
Let them just like dry over thecourse of two hours,
KARI (27:06):
you know,
JOHNNIE (27:09):
We might put that on the agenda for later this year.
If you'd be the one to get it,
CASEY (27:14):
my claustrophobia would not handle can
KARI (27:20):
barely be in a sleeping bag.
Much less
JOHNNIE (27:23):
we're different here today,
CASEY (27:26):
but people in positions just dip them in a whole vat of.
I actually just let them drylike that.
JOHNNIE (27:31):
Oh yeah.
That'll be awesome.
KARI (27:32):
We're creating events whenever y'all looking for a
place to have a host an eventlike this, what are some of the
things that you look for?
Cause you can't just do thisanywhere
JOHNNIE (27:43):
anchor point.
KARI (27:45):
Oh my God.
Right.
Yeah, that's a good point.
JOHNNIE (27:51):
This is so funny.
I mean, you know, a lot of folksgo into like a restaurant or to
a bar or something like that andlike, Oh, this is a nice
ambiance, you know, I love thecolors and motif her and I are
looking at the ceiling going forsomething we can tie on to.
Yep.
That, and there's so many,
OLIVIA (28:09):
I mean, we got turned away how many times?
It's unbelievable.
Oh,
JOHNNIE (28:13):
yes.
OLIVIA (28:14):
Because people think like, we're literally just
getting in a pile and justscrewing each other.
Like,
KARI (28:21):
I don't Why is that always what they assume?
It is, we rarely do that.
OLIVIA (28:26):
Very rarely.
It's like, there's nopenetration going on.
But for some reason everybody,you know, when you say fetish
evolution, it's like, Oh, you'rejust going to have sex with each
other all over my venue.
It's like, no, that's
CASEY (28:38):
not what we do.
That's reserved for Friday.
We don't
JOHNNIE (28:43):
do that on Tuesday.
CASEY (28:46):
Yeah, there's, there's
KARI (28:47):
a lot.
But y'all do have some venues.
I'm sorry, but y'all know thatdo turn y'all away there.
There'll be like, no, this isn'tgoing to be a thing for us
JOHNNIE (28:55):
a lot, a lot more than what
OLIVIA (28:58):
you would think.
JOHNNIE (28:58):
Definitely.
Um, well, her and I like to callit.
They try to make money withremorse and values.
Um, and so which I get it, therehas to, you know, there's going
to have to be an opening or aplace for, you know, all the
different, um, types of eventsthat go on and stuff, but there,
and it is, it is Texas.
So we
OLIVIA (29:19):
talked about how, you know, it's more accepted now
than it was, you know, back whenwe started, but it.
Also, I mean, the other side ofthat coin is that it's not so
much as you would think.
JOHNNIE (29:29):
No, it's not because the ones that are going, Oh, no,
we can't do this is familyorientated.
Are the same ones that, youknow, you might see at one of
our events, which that'sperfectly fine.
Okay.
We, we include everybody.
CASEY (29:45):
Well, so is there, whenever y'all do find a venue
and you go to that, is therelike special permitting that you
have to go through, like specialred tape?
You have to try to get around tojust to even have these events
in the first place.
OLIVIA (29:57):
Um, it depends, I think, on the city ordinances.
Um, we have just recently cameacross another venue that, um,
outside of city limits, the citythat we're looking at is doesn't
allow that within certainbounds.
So we are going to have to beoutside, but this event does
(30:18):
include penetration.
So I think that that's 1 of thebiggest.
I don't know taboos, I guess outthere
JOHNNIE (30:27):
as far as far as the city officials, the, the, the
event, um, department C, Dallashas like a whole entire
apartment that's dedicatedspecifically to special events.
Um, a lot of people don't knowthat you technically in order to
be legal, you actually have tobe.
A licensed, um, event promoteror producer with the city of
(30:52):
Dallas in order to promote anevent.
So, uh, yeah, you have to,you've got to look at the
ordinances.
And I mean, I spent a lot oftime looking at the city of
Dallas is a book of especiallyevents.
Cause I mean, it coverseverything from parking to, you
know, alcohol, that type ofstuff.
(31:13):
So there, there's a lotinvolved.
It's not just, Hey, look, that'sa cool building in there.
Call the DJ don't work likethat.
CASEY (31:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
That's something that we haveexperienced with as well.
And I know that, I mean, itwould come down to it being that
it would be a sexually orientedperson.
So a sexually oriented event,and then there's a whole nother
special book centered aroundlike anything to do with that
and they come down hard.
Yeah,
KARI (31:39):
I mean, what do you tell your insurance company what you
do?
You know, well, so we, um, uh,
JOHNNIE (31:48):
yeah, I mean, it can definitely be very, very
challenging.
I mean, just to ask Pornhub.
I mean, Hey.
CASEY (31:56):
Sorry to see them go from Texas.
Yeah, no doubt.
JOHNNIE (31:59):
Um, but it's, it can be done and you're right.
Texas does have somechallenging, um, rules and
regulations or whatever, butit's, it's really not that
difficult to navigate.
You just have to be cognitiveand aware of.
And like my wife says, no, he'shalf the battle.
(32:19):
So, uh, if you know what theproblem is, the solution is just
around.
OLIVIA (32:25):
I know how to word it.
JOHNNIE (32:26):
Yeah.
Know how to verbalize it.
That's what I was going to say.
I
KARI (32:29):
guarantee it has to be an all in just how you word things.
CASEY (32:33):
And then once you learn it, once you get past that, I
would imagine it kind of is justa lot of work to put in to get
there.
And then for them on events canbecome a little bit easier to
plan.
OLIVIA (32:43):
Oh, yeah, you would think like, yeah, definitely,
definitely.
JOHNNIE (32:49):
Um, well, what are the challenges with the event or the
approaches that we're taking?
I mean, could we put anotherFedEx evolution together?
Yeah, we can have one ready togo in probably 60 days.
But where our challenge is, willwe do another fetish evolution?
Yeah, we will.
But that's April of next year.
Okay.
(33:09):
So let's do a different event.
So it's almost like starting allover again.
Cause you need differentperformers.
You're going to need differenttypes of vendors.
You're going to need.
You know, a different type ofDJ.
Okay.
Maybe even a different type ofan MC or even what I haven't
seen.
KARI (33:28):
Are you telling me that you're not stripping DJing up
there?
H each time.
That's just, we need to see it.
OLIVIA (33:36):
I know
JOHNNIE (33:37):
I'll see if I can find a DJ that, you know, um, doesn't
have a problem with, you know,being at least in a banana
catcher, you know,
KARI (33:48):
Well, are you that dj?
JOHNNIE (33:50):
Uh, not dj.
When I DJ it was actually hadlike a chaos pad and actually
had, you know, turntables, theydo stuff with computers now
though.
OLIVIA (34:00):
And we were, I mean, we were just running around like
mm-Hmm.
crazy people.
Um, I imagine four 20 mm-Hmm.
So I could, I, I honestly don'tremember half of the night, and
it's not because I wasintoxicated, because I didn't
even drink.
It was because I was just goinglike a hundred miles an hour.
JOHNNIE (34:19):
Yeah.
I mean, it was from the latexlabs to the vendor up to the
show, not to look at the show,but make sure everything's okay.
And then turn right back downto, you know, over to the door
to, yeah, it was.
I think maybe her and I actuallysat down together for like 25,
(34:41):
maybe 30 minutes and watched aportion of one performance.
And that was it.
I waved at her a couple of timeswhen I passed her in the hallway
the entire night.
CASEY (34:55):
Yeah, that's it.
Look, I've been in the sameplace before with going and
running behind the scenes ofevents where you don't really
catch much of anything.
You spend all your time makingsure everyone's happy, making
sure things are flowing, makesure that like any officials
that are there are getting whatthey need and get the hell out.
JOHNNIE (35:11):
Yes, definitely.
And.
Wow.
We was actually wanting toincorporate a fire, a fire
performance and that that's awhole nother
CASEY (35:23):
say fire marshal on that one's got to be,
JOHNNIE (35:27):
so, uh, yeah, I can only imagine how things would
have been if we'd had the cityof Dallas on set with the fire
marshal and everything else, inaddition to everything that we
was having going.
You know, fire
CASEY (35:40):
marshal would be.
Briefing of your event later, belike, okay, so here's what I
KARI (35:47):
saw.
Now, what would happen is thefirefighters would just be there
and saying that like, well, Ohno, we're here just in case it's
just because we need to be here.
CASEY (35:57):
Sign up sheet.
KARI (35:58):
Exactly.
JOHNNIE (36:00):
That, that was a little hint right there.
Cause, uh, we are actuallydiscussing a.
Fire and ice temperature playevent is kind of on the table
top right now for particularlylater on in the year.
KARI (36:14):
That sounds like
CASEY (36:15):
fun.
That would be cool to see.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, performances online ofpeople doing fire play and some
of the stuff they can do.
Any things like actually using,uh, some of the, the foam or
oils on skin that you can lightall the way to like fire
twirling and performances couldbe really, really cool to see.
OLIVIA (36:35):
Butane bubbles is another aspect of it that we
wanted to bring in.
CASEY (36:39):
We have a few people we follow that do the butane
bubbles.
JOHNNIE (36:43):
Well, our, uh, artistic director actually has a shibari.
Um, actor performance that she'sreally, really dying and wanting
to do.
And the person that she.
Uh, her rope bottom towards theend of the performance.
She actually uses the butaneapproach and sets them up.
CASEY (37:06):
That's cool.
That just sounds like a funevent.
Sign us up for that one.
We will
JOHNNIE (37:11):
be there.
It may,
CASEY (37:13):
it
JOHNNIE (37:13):
may not, you know, actually come about this year.
It may be something that we haveto.
You know, push off to next yearcause there's, there's a lot of
working parts with that one.
Yeah.
So,
uh, but it's definitely something on the tabletop we're
discussing and bring on artisticdirector.
She's not going to let that onedie.
(37:35):
She's she's going to good untilshe gets that.
CASEY (37:38):
Well, Brianna, when you listen to this, keep it going,
don't ever let it go and make ithappen.
KARI (37:44):
Well, I mean, and we also know a gentleman that's opening
up a facility in Norfolk worth,maybe it'd be something just to
put y'all two in connection, buthe is, it's a Shabari studio,
but he is hoping to.
Creative events, host events anddoing stuff.
And we actually went and saw himthe other day and the space is
amazing.
(38:04):
It's absolutely amazing.
There's so much, they're doing astage.
So there's going to be areas foron the stage.
There's going to be areas forlike seating and hanging out.
He's creating a quiet space.
So if individuals want to go andkind of like separate out and
just talk and get away fromeverything.
Um, and I, I believe it's alsooutside city limits.
(38:25):
Yeah.
So it could be something thatI'm like, how
CASEY (38:28):
much are we allowed to sit?
I know, but it could
KARI (38:31):
be just to maybe away from this, make that connection.
And then maybe, you know,something can work out for
y'all.
But, and that was one of thereasons why I asked, cause we,
we spoke with him about howdifficult it was to get a space
going and yeah, it's not easy.
It is not easy.
And, and again, if our episodesabout community and trying to
build that up.
Like, maybe that'll be a greatconnection for, for y'all, you
(38:54):
know,
JOHNNIE (38:55):
we would definitely be able to, I mean, please, uh,
strongly encourage shoot us anemail, um,
KARI (39:01):
or at least give that
JOHNNIE (39:03):
individual our contact and say, Hey, look, get back
with them.
They're looking forward totalking with you.
Um,
OLIVIA (39:09):
yeah, we're always open to
JOHNNIE (39:10):
class.
Yeah.
Most definitely collaborations.
OLIVIA (39:13):
One of our goals is to eventually get a venue.
Yes.
Right now, because we're juststarting, we're kind of having
to look for more creative typesof venues.
Yeah.
Um, but that is one of our goalsas well.
To actually have our ownfricking one of that.
JOHNNIE (39:31):
Yes.
Um, I remember there is, wewould like to, and we actually,
even in the beginning, um, wedecided, or we determined that
we wanted to be able to utilizeand produce our productions all
over the Metroplex.
We did not want to be limited tojust, you know, deep L or to
(39:54):
Dallas, which there's a strongcommunity based on
misunderstanding.
Damn it.
We'll always be doingproductions and stuff in
develop, um, in, in that Dallasarea, but we also would like to
come to Fort Worth.
We would love to bring stuff toFort Worth.
Cause there is a lot of peopleover here.
There is a large community baseover here in Fort Worth.
(40:17):
We would like to exposeourselves to them and give them
the opportunity for that sameinclusiveness for that same safe
space.
To be able to experience andexplore their keys is what we
provided to Dallas.
CASEY (40:35):
I like it.
Oh, shoot.
I mean, this has been a greatinterview.
We really appreciate you guysfor coming on.
So if people want to get intouch with you, they require
about being a performer orattending one of your events.
Um, how, how do they find youguys?
OLIVIA (40:50):
Definitely, um, you can reach out to us.
Our email is right on thewebsite.
Um, There's opportunities tovolunteer, um, for performers.
Like you can sign up right onthe website.
JOHNNIE (41:04):
Yeah.
Also go to, uh, that evolutionat Instagram and you can message
us direct right there.
And, uh, we actuallycommunicated with some of the
performers, a lot of theperformers in preparation for
the event.
Um, they was.
Promoting us and stuff on theirinstagrams and tagging us and we
(41:27):
was communicating back and forthwith those types of issues.
Um, they actually sent some oftheir performances directly to
our instagram and we kind of gotan idea of what they was capable
of doing, kind of what they wasbringing to the table.
So yeah, the website and theinstagram bottle.
CASEY (41:43):
Awesome.
And I'm assuming same thing withvendors.
If they are looking to a placeto, to kind of push some of
their products and things, theycan sign up as vendors with you
guys for your events and set upa table and do as they are
JOHNNIE (41:57):
most definitely.
Um, we are our baseline.
Um, we actually, uh, When we gotto Dallas and stuff, we actually
started in the vendor base.
We, uh, we do the outdoor marketat, um, deep Ellen on a regular
basis.
We do Bishop art.
So bending is definitelysomething we're no stranger to.
(42:19):
And as being vendors andactually producing our own
vendor events.
I love to have the opportunityto get back to give back to
other vendors and stuff andprovide them the space and the
platform to sell their productsas long as it, you know, Fish
and it goes in line with thefetish and kink.
(42:39):
The fetish and kink and the typeof event that we're doing at the
time.
CASEY (42:44):
Well, we, we appreciate you guys.
Irish Johnny.
Thank y'all so much.
And thank you for, for creatingthis, this evolution.
This thing that you guys have inmind, um, we encourage anybody
that needs to like reach out tothese guys, as they said, that
evo.
com we still find them onInstagram at evolution.
You can find all of their links,um, in the, in the notes below.
(43:05):
So for another episode of comewith Casey, we're your hosts.
I'm Dr.
Casey Sanders
KARI (43:09):
and I'm Carrie Sanders.
We'll
CASEY (43:11):
see y'all next time.
Well, welcome back to yet another episode of come with
(00:02):
Casey.
We are your hosts.
I'm Dr.
Casey Sanders
KARI (00:05):
and I'm Carrie Sanders,
CASEY (00:06):
and we've got a great episode in store for today.
Look, one thing that we talkabout.
On almost every single episodewe've ever done has been
community.
It's been about finding thepeople that, that vibe with you.
It's about finding those spaceswhere you feel comfortable,
where it's consensual, where youhave good, trustworthy people
that can really provide a goodtime for you.
(00:27):
Right?
KARI (00:27):
Yeah, absolutely.
CASEY (00:28):
Awesome.
Well, in, in doing that, we cameacross our two guests that we
have today.
Um, FET evolution that just hadtheir inaugural event, what last
month on, on four 20, right?
Yep.
And Dallas.
And so we want to welcome to theshow, Johnny and iRIS, how are
y'all doing today?
JOHNNIE (00:46):
Good.
How are you doing?
CASEY (00:49):
Oh, we're doing great.
Well, uh, first off, thanks forcoming on the show and providing
us with this, this informationwe're about to get out of you.
Um, so I guess really happy to,obviously happy to, um, I guess,
so let's go ahead and startdiving right in now.
You guys are not mature to, tothe kink scene, correct?
OLIVIA (01:10):
That's correct.
Um, we initially started in tothe kink scene back in our
twenties, actually.
JOHNNIE (01:18):
Um, back, I used to be a DJ in Memphis and, uh, her and
I was both kind of involved witha couple of the clubs that we,
you know, that I was DJing outof.
And they was wanting to dosomething a little bit different
or, you know, kind of changethings up or whatever than the
standard normal club scene atthat time in Memphis and, uh,
(01:40):
there was like, Hey, let's,let's do an event and it kind
of.
Brainstorm to what type of eventand.
Then it, through thatbrainstorming, it evolved into
like, you know, kind of a kinktype thing, and we had the
opportunity with that particularclub to, you know, kind of be
part of the ground, ground floorof the initial events that they
(02:01):
were doing.
And over the course of the nextlike four years, they.
Actually did like another half adozen events and we were each
time and another event came orthat they did another event, we
got different roles andpositions and different parts of
(02:21):
organizing and structuring andsetting up the events and
everything else.
And it kind of, you know,evolved into, we was not
necessarily executive producersat that time, but we was.
Very well in the forefront ofsetting up and running the
events and then doing the
CASEY (02:39):
job without the title, right?
JOHNNIE (02:43):
And then, um, you know, kids and nine to fives and dog
and, you know, fast forward, uh,we decided that, you know, our
kids are older now and the dogis self sufficient too.
We're like, Hey, look, you know,why don't we get back into doing
this again?
(03:03):
And this was like last Octoberand one thing led to another.
It was like, fuck, let's do it.
And we started putting thingstogether and doing the things
that we know to do as far as,you know, getting an event going
and what it takes to do one.
And one thing led to another,and it almost seems like a blur
(03:26):
that five months.
And it was.
April 20th and like, shit, wegot a show tonight.
Here we go.
So that's kind of how thingscome around.
KARI (03:35):
Um, so I have a question then.
So you,
CASEY (03:38):
that's a lot to cover.
It
KARI (03:39):
is.
And so we're first getting intothe kinks, uh, or I'm sorry,
into, into that lifestyle, may Iask what were, what were some of
the ones that y'all were drawnto?
JOHNNIE (03:51):
Uh, one of the, one of the kinks, one of the, as far
as, um, that kind of drew us in.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, the, the BDSM side of kindof things where the exploring
and experimenting with differenttypes of, uh, stimulations, um,
(04:14):
as far as like, you know, impactplay that type of thing.
It's a
CASEY (04:18):
great one to get involved in.
JOHNNIE (04:19):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Um, we also.
You know, some temperatureplagues, some cold, some hot,
that type of stuff.
Um, also kind of incorporatingthat a little bit with the
impact kind of exploring aroundwith things.
Um, and then I kind of got intosome, what's, what's the word
(04:39):
I'm looking for?
Uh, experimental and no, not,uh, any kind of master or
anything like that, but kind ofa novice side of doing.
Um, Shabari to where I got tothe point where I can do like,
you know, some, some Karate'ssome, uh, some restraint, you
know, like arm, uh, armrestraint, or like a knee, a
(05:01):
knee restraint type tie, thattype of stuff.
Um, so between the, the BDSM andthe Shabari is kind of what, you
know, Peaked our interest andkind of took us down that road.
CASEY (05:13):
Yeah, I know.
Those are two things that we'veseen such a rise in, um,
especially in the last few yearsis Shabari is becoming a very
popular one.
In fact, like we, we teach aclass on Shabari for, uh, for
people to get an introduction toit.
So I can get right on board withyou.
It's just something about theaesthetics as well as some of
the power play that you can getinto.
Whenever it comes to somethinglike Shabari or, and then a lot
(05:35):
of the stuff, whatever it comeslike the impact play, that's
something that, that weparticipate in as well.
And so in fact, some of our mostfun times that we've had has
been at parties where they'llhave like, or they'll have, uh,
something going on.
Her first experience with impactplay.
Was
KARI (05:50):
it was our, the, it was my, not only was it my first
experience with impact play, butit was our first experience at a
sex party.
JOHNNIE (05:56):
Yes.
KARI (05:57):
That was just a whole, whole new doors were open for
us.
JOHNNIE (06:03):
That's a lot.
If you combine those two thingsat the same time for a first
time, that's, that's definitelya lot.
There's a lot going on.
There's a lot going on there.
CASEY (06:14):
We can say it's like kink journalism for us.
So tell me a little bit more.
You said that in the early daysthere were, y'all started
setting up these, these kinkevents, uh, in the clubs and all
that.
What was the experience like ofnavigating those roads?
JOHNNIE (06:28):
Um, well, we, uh, we worked with the club owners.
Uh, it was actually the clubowners that was doing the setups
and that type of stuff.
And, I would go in and, youknow, to set up, do my DJ set
up, do my gig that night orwhatever, and I'll be sitting
around talking with the owners,you know, as we kind of decided
what type of event we was goingto do, and then we started going
(06:50):
through the dynamics and theactual logistics of, you know,
putting that together and belike, Hey, do you know somebody
that's a dom or a female?
That's a dominatrix.
Cause.
We want to get one.
Um, do you know anybody, youknow, do you know somebody that
knows somebody and it was kindof, which at that time it was
(07:10):
really difficult.
It was a lot of word of mouthbecause you didn't have
Instagram.
You didn't, I don't even thinkFacebook was on.
OLIVIA (07:18):
It was very, it was a very much.
underground scene.
It wasn't all about getting
KARI (07:23):
on Craig's list.
Yeah.
JOHNNIE (07:26):
I mean, you're going, you're going on my space one.
Is anybody know a dominatrix?
I mean, checking
CASEY (07:31):
out people's top eight to see if you can see any details.
OLIVIA (07:35):
And you had to know somebody who knew somebody.
JOHNNIE (07:37):
So with, with working through those types of logistics
and stuff, especially for thefirst It was, it took us almost
like eight months.
Well, that, and then you to, toput it on.
OLIVIA (07:49):
Yeah.
And then somebody had to likevouch for you to get you into
the scene.
Yes.
It wasn't, you couldn't justwalk into a scene.
Like you had to have somebodythat you to get you in.
JOHNNIE (08:00):
Right.
Um, where we kinda helped us outa lot was the fact that I did
have, you know, a following asfar as with my DJing and that
type of stuff.
There was actually folks thatcome to the club.
Just because I was DJ, I mean,not a brag or anything like
that, but, um, so I startedrelying on those types of
(08:20):
resources going, Hey, look, uh,this might seem kind of weird,
but you wouldn't happen to knowanybody that likes to spank
people.
Okay.
What's that really?
It sounds kind of funny, but itwas very, very beneficial to.
You know, myself and to the clubowners utilizing that, uh,
audience or that club, regularbase that we had, um, there was
(08:45):
a ton of resources there and wefound out, you know, somebody
happened to have a cross andwe're like, Okay, maybe we'll
get one of those and throw it inthe corner over here.
And then, you know, somebodyelse knew somebody that liked to
be tied up and you know, it wasjust kind of gradually one
(09:07):
person at a time, one.
Thought at a time or what I didat a time and working through
it, um, and then bringing it alltogether for that, for that
night, for the actual show.
It
OLIVIA (09:21):
was very much about pushing boundaries.
JOHNNIE (09:24):
Definitely.
OLIVIA (09:24):
Um, more so now because I think that fit and kink is
more accessible.
That's good now than it was backthen.
Yeah.
CASEY (09:33):
That's something that we've, we've had discussion on
before is the fact that you're,you're talking about a time
whenever it was all still verymuch underground where it wasn't
okay to come out and do it inthe, in the regular public and
being like, Hey, guess what?
Everybody, I love leather wearand I love getting beat with
JOHNNIE (09:49):
I'll be real honest with you.
I mean, compared to our veryfirst one that we was involved
in and compared to the one that,uh, We, we just finished.
Instagram was, oh wow.
That was a lifesaver becauseI'll be honest with you.
I don't know if we could go backto Myspace and try and put it
(10:11):
together now.
Yeah.
Facebook was very, very helpful.
Um, Instagram, those differenttypes of platforms.
People, deep
OLIVIA (10:21):
alum, people on Fitlife.
That just the community was sowelcoming.
And, you know, I reallyappreciate them and everything
that they did for us.
KARI (10:33):
Yeah.
And we're begging for eventslike this to happen.
So really, thank you.
JOHNNIE (10:37):
Yeah, for real.
KARI (10:38):
There needs to be more.
And
JOHNNIE (10:41):
It's not a one off there.
We're already in the process ofwhich maybe we can, you know,
test based on this a little bitlater, but we're definitely on
in the process already ofgetting the next one together.
CASEY (10:53):
Good.
Well, send that and hang outwith you guys in person.
Um, I know that one of thethings that you had just said
ours was that, um.
You're talking about thecommunity, right?
And this is a, this is aquestion we get all the time.
People that are, um, I mean, ifhe, if you're a first time
listener, then you need to hearthat this show that we primarily
do is about introducing peopleinto, into the kink community,
(11:15):
introducing people into, intonew experiences.
And one of the most importantthings that we can tell people
all the time is how.
How paramount it is to start tobuild some sort of circle, start
to introduce yourself to peopleand everyone's start sitting
back going, well, I don't evenknow how to start doing that.
What am I supposed to do?
And, you know, they'll sit backand say, well, I heard you're,
I'm supposed to go on fat life.
(11:35):
And we always say like, have alittle disclaimer, whatever it
comes to things like that lifeto make sure that you you're
checking the people out who aretalking with you, make sure
you're looking for green flags.
And so I would love to hear fromyou guys about what y'all's
advice would be to people whoare trying to get inserted into
a community.
Um, maybe some things that theyshould look for and the people
(11:56):
that they're interacting with,and maybe some things that might
be a little bit of a red flag,like, Hey, um, if somebody is
interacting in a certain way,uh, that you might look for a
different community.
OLIVIA (12:07):
Well, I think that, um, it's more, I mean, if you're
starting out, I would think to,um, definitely go to events and,
um, start kind of Experiencingsome of these events and what
they're about.
Um, I think three of the mainthings that you have to have in
(12:27):
the community is going to betrust, safety, and mutual
respect.
Yes.
And as long as you have thosethree, I think you're going to
be able to navigate fine, justfine within the community.
Um,
JOHNNIE (12:43):
my, my best advice was she's 100 percent correct, but I
think.
From my experiences, everythingstarts with communication.
Okay.
You have to have these clearlines of what your boundaries
are and you have to be able toexpress or convey to that person
(13:07):
that you're looking at to be apotential.
Um, to potential potential dog,to a potential rigger, uh, some
of that nature there to havethese conversations with these
individuals and see what they'reabout, see what makes them tick,
see, you know, where they areand how they've grown and then
(13:31):
sit back and evaluate that.
Is that, is if that is somebodythat you could, Move forward
with, or if you need to stepback and evaluate the next
individual.
It's forgive the expressions,kind of like a job interview.
Um, you gotta know what thatperson is bringing to the table
(13:53):
and whether it kind of gels withyou and where you are at in your
mentality, in your space.
And once you start identifyingthose things, then you turn
around and you start askingthose individuals, those more
specific, more key or BDSM ormore voyeur type, uh, space
(14:19):
questions to further, you know,extend that communication,
extend those and get past someof those barriers.
Um, and then like she said, goto events and stuff like that.
So have these questions, kind ofhave these different mentalities
and thoughts in mind.
Whenever you go to these eventsand take things slow, don't rush
(14:42):
into anything.
Okay.
Make sure you feel safe, make sure you feel
comfortable.
Make sure you have the answersto those questions that you
have.
And if you have any doubts, youalways have time.
Okay, you can't go fast enoughto crash.
(15:02):
Okay, so take things one step ata time.
Go on your pace, your mentality.
And where you're comfortable.
And like I said, forget theexpression, check your boxes.
Okay.
And if a box is not beingchecked, then maybe we need, you
know, kind of look at what'sgoing on and why, or what
(15:24):
process we need to do orquestions we need to ask.
In order to get that box checkto move forward comfortably.
KARI (15:30):
Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
And one of the things that Ialready said that really stuck
out too, uh, is going to anevents.
So if someone has never been toa kink event and let's talk
about yours, what could someoneexpect to see at this type of
event?
OLIVIA (15:47):
Um, I think it depends on the type of event, because
we're plotting and planningconstantly on, you know, the
different types of events thatwe can bring our 1st event was
very.
I don't want to use the wordmild, but it was definitely like
the inaugural event, like, youknow,
CASEY (16:09):
testing the waters.
And that was the evolution eventthat happened on April 20th,
right?
OLIVIA (16:14):
That's correct.
Um, so we had, you know, a lotof latex, like the, the, The
attendees were absolutelystunning.
Um, the performers were, I mean,above, went above and beyond.
And so, but I think we didn'thave, um, there was no
(16:35):
intercourse.
No, there was, um, I mean, Idon't want, we had a mobile
dungeon, so there was someimpact play.
Um, but yeah, like I said, itjust depends on the type of
event because we are definitely.
Like planning more and
CASEY (16:52):
more.
And there's that big separationthat we have of people in the,
in the world of kink, where it'slike, there's a difference
between having a play partyversus having like an expo event
with filled with vendors andperformances and those, Those
are for the, for a most aneveryday day to be able to
attend some of these eventswhere it is, if you want to, you
(17:13):
can enter into a mobile dungeonwhere there's going to be a St.
Andrew's cross and some spankingbenches and various tools to try
out as well as instructors tomaybe be like, here's how you
would do this or even introducepeople.
And at the same time, you can goout and into the event floor and
see, you know, a Shabariperformance, or you can see
maybe a pole dancingperformance.
What are some of theperformances?
(17:33):
Who are some of the performersthat you guys had at y'all's
first event?
JOHNNIE (17:37):
Um, well, we had, uh, we had Brianna.
She was our, uh, artisticdirector.
Yeah.
Um, and she, she also did aperformance.
We had Iliad who'd come up fromAustin, Texas.
And he did a led poleperformance.
OLIVIA (17:58):
Oh, cool.
Um,
JOHNNIE (17:59):
we had Carissia.
OLIVIA (18:01):
Yes.
She was, um, a pole performer.
JOHNNIE (18:04):
She was our, one of our ambiance pole performers.
Um, then we had Mr.
Juggles.
He did an led pole.
juggling, strip juggling,striptease.
KARI (18:17):
Oh, fun.
JOHNNIE (18:19):
That was, it was, it was amazing.
That sounds
CASEY (18:24):
like a good show to see.
JOHNNIE (18:26):
Oh yeah, most definitely.
Uh, we had, you know, certainexpectations and that type of
stuff in my mind and hisperformance, we were.
Yeah, it far surpasses the case.
OLIVIA (18:38):
I'm so sorry.
I know we're going to misssomebody.
I just apologize in advance.
We had a contortionist.
JOHNNIE (18:45):
Yes, we had, um, fire tire,
OLIVIA (18:47):
fire tiger.
JOHNNIE (18:48):
She was a contortionist.
Um, and then we had,
OLIVIA (18:53):
uh, I mean, it was so many.
It was so,
CASEY (19:01):
I mean, I would probably say that if, if anybody needs
to, like, wants to look at thewhole list, is there a place
where they could go to you?
JOHNNIE (19:07):
Yes.
You can go to, uh, and it hasall the performers.
It also has all the vendors thatwe had.
Also on Instagram, DJs that wasthere.
Um, and then also, as you said,uh, was it bad
OLIVIA (19:24):
evolution on Instagram?
KARI (19:28):
Oh yeah.
We will be tagging all of thisstuff for, for everyone
listening to this.
So don't worry.
Yeah, we will be tagging yourwebsite, your Instagram page,
everything that you give us, wewill tag within this.
So everyone hearing can headover to y'all's page to see
y'all stuff.
JOHNNIE (19:43):
Absolutely.
Always.
Yeah, that would be great.
Thank you so much.
CASEY (19:46):
So, then, in terms of, of Fed Evolution and the, the
trajectory that it has, where doyou guys hope to see this?
JOHNNIE (19:56):
Where do we hope to see it headed?
We hope to see it headed todoing a minimum of at least
three productions a year withone of them being a major
production, which tentativelywe're looking at scheduling our
(20:17):
next major production for on oraround.
April 19th, 20th around there tokind of make it a yearly thing
about the same time every year.
And then we're looking at doinga couple of like the rest of
this year, we're looking atdoing a couple of more intimate,
(20:40):
uh, 100, 150 attendee.
Uh, a little bit different, notsay thing, but a little bit
different approach to the fetishthing.
Um, maybe touching on a voyeurkink or touching on a, uh, what?
Um, foot fetish, foot fetishkink or a temperature, kind
CASEY (21:04):
of being just
JOHNNIE (21:06):
as inclusive as we are as in the, with our events in
our productions, also beinclusive with the different
types of productions that we doand give, try and give each
aspect of the, of the kink.
King nation per se, you know, alittle, a nod to the foot
(21:29):
fetish, a nod to the temperatureplay, so on and so forth.
OLIVIA (21:34):
Yeah.
As producers, we, we definitelysaw that there is a need for a
need for a platform for artistsas well.
I mean, not only for thecommunity, but a lot of the
artists don't have the platformto create, um, these new types
of talent or express theirtalent.
(21:58):
So that's the other thing is wewanted to provide that for local
artists as well.
JOHNNIE (22:03):
Yeah.
Give them an opportunity todisplay.
I mean, these artists, theseperformers work so hard.
Okay.
Um, putting these acts togetherand presently right now, there's
a very, very limited, you know,outlet for them to turn around
and display those acts.
And you know, we want to
OLIVIA (22:23):
so many of the artists for like, thank you so much for
allowing me to do thisperformance.
I've had this performance in myhead for a while.
JOHNNIE (22:32):
So, so giving that next or giving that additional outlet
and, um, It's definitelyvaluable to the community and to
the performers themselves, butalso giving them the opportunity
or putting it in the mindset tosit there and go, you know what,
I haven't ever done a footfetish act.
(22:53):
I wonder if I could.
Okay.
Cause now I have a place andopportunity or somebody that I
could go to that does events andgoes, Hey, look, are y'all
looking at doing some type ofevent here where I might be able
to work on this performance.
And have some place to performit.
Okay.
CASEY (23:12):
So if I'm, if I hear that correctly, it sounds like y'all
are trying to give a, an openplatform for people to
experiment with theirperformances.
Yeah.
If they're limited to certaintype of performance that they
can come to you and say, listen,I know that I've done
performance a, I'd really liketo try out, like you're saying,
maybe a foot performance orsomething different.
And you're able to go great.
Bring it on.
Let's see what you have andclear it for, for the show.
KARI (23:34):
I mean, I like the idea of what you're saying though, and
having these like many eventsthat are like aimed event,
almost like this event, we'regoing to be honoring, you know,
temperature played exclusivelyand then having performers come
out that do heat playperformances and education on
it.
I mean, honestly, that's.
(23:55):
That could be pretty darn coolto do something like that,
because I feel like a lot ofthese events that we've heard
of, it's this big production,which is great, but I've not
heard of little like microproductions before.
That would be really cool.
JOHNNIE (24:08):
One of the things that we're working on right now is an
individual that has a hot waxperformance.
And we're also toying withanother idea that, um, we
actually have somebody.
That we have communicated withthat does this type of thing.
And that's going to be the, uh,what is it?
(24:31):
The hook fetish where you, um,you hook do hooks into, uh, into
your skin and you suspend fromthe hooks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Skin suspension.
Uh, I just drew a blank.
Um, so yeah, we're actuallylooking at incorporating, um, a
couple of those performancesinto.
(24:53):
So many events that we're indiscussion on.
CASEY (24:58):
Well, that's really cool.
You know, I mean, some of theevents that we've seen around,
it's funny that you mentionedwax play.
That's what we, uh, a big onethat we went to in Dallas in
fall of last year where they hada stage set up and a big wheel
that you spun and pure got waxplay.
And so there was a couple of, acouple of people that just sat
her down and just startedpouring wax for about 10 minutes
(25:20):
in front of a crowd of about150, 200 people.
KARI (25:23):
I had wax in places for a few days after that, I was like,
how am I still finding wax onme?
Like, that's a whole differentaftercare right there.
That was so, yeah, I was at theevent too.
Afterward, I learned, I just hadwax all over me.
It was fun though.
It was, it
was really
CASEY (25:42):
fun.
But it's great for those peoplelistening that are like, you
know, what are you.
It was like wax play orsomething.
It can be such a really coolspectacle to see and can be a
really, uh, erotic thing toparticipate in
KARI (25:52):
because I had no idea I was interested in wax play until
I got to experience it.
Absolutely.
CASEY (25:57):
Absolutely.
Let's see what aboutexhibitionism?
JOHNNIE (26:00):
As event producers.
Okay.
We want, we want to do thesetypes of productions or these
little micro events or whateverto give the community the
opportunity to not only.
see what else is out there, butalso give them the opportunity
in a safe environment where theycould learn more about it, where
(26:21):
they could possibly evenexperience it.
Um, and, uh, grow not only withthemselves, okay, but with other
people in the event, okay.
Cause there's a lot of folksthat don't even know, or ever
even been exposed to, you know,a type of wax play or a type of
(26:42):
foot fetish and bringingawareness to this and including
in some of our more smallerevent, more intimate events.
OLIVIA (26:51):
Facilitates opportunities for individuals to
connect and explore.
JOHNNIE (26:55):
Absolutely.
CASEY (26:57):
Okay.
Well, I love that.
I want to see somebody likedipped in their whole body,
dipped in wax.
Let them just like dry over thecourse of two hours,
KARI (27:06):
you know,
JOHNNIE (27:09):
We might put that on the agenda for later this year.
If you'd be the one to get it,
CASEY (27:14):
my claustrophobia would not handle can
KARI (27:20):
barely be in a sleeping bag.
Much less
JOHNNIE (27:23):
we're different here today,
CASEY (27:26):
but people in positions just dip them in a whole vat of.
I actually just let them drylike that.
JOHNNIE (27:31):
Oh yeah.
That'll be awesome.
KARI (27:32):
We're creating events whenever y'all looking for a
place to have a host an eventlike this, what are some of the
things that you look for?
Cause you can't just do thisanywhere
JOHNNIE (27:43):
anchor point.
KARI (27:45):
Oh my God.
Right.
Yeah, that's a good point.
JOHNNIE (27:51):
This is so funny.
I mean, you know, a lot of folksgo into like a restaurant or to
a bar or something like that andlike, Oh, this is a nice
ambiance, you know, I love thecolors and motif her and I are
looking at the ceiling going forsomething we can tie on to.
Yep.
That, and there's so many,
OLIVIA (28:09):
I mean, we got turned away how many times?
It's unbelievable.
Oh,
JOHNNIE (28:13):
yes.
OLIVIA (28:14):
Because people think like, we're literally just
getting in a pile and justscrewing each other.
Like,
KARI (28:21):
I don't Why is that always what they assume?
It is, we rarely do that.
OLIVIA (28:26):
Very rarely.
It's like, there's nopenetration going on.
But for some reason everybody,you know, when you say fetish
evolution, it's like, Oh, you'rejust going to have sex with each
other all over my venue.
It's like, no, that's
CASEY (28:38):
not what we do.
That's reserved for Friday.
We don't
JOHNNIE (28:43):
do that on Tuesday.
CASEY (28:46):
Yeah, there's, there's
KARI (28:47):
a lot.
But y'all do have some venues.
I'm sorry, but y'all know thatdo turn y'all away there.
There'll be like, no, this isn'tgoing to be a thing for us
JOHNNIE (28:55):
a lot, a lot more than what
OLIVIA (28:58):
you would think.
JOHNNIE (28:58):
Definitely.
Um, well, her and I like to callit.
They try to make money withremorse and values.
Um, and so which I get it, therehas to, you know, there's going
to have to be an opening or aplace for, you know, all the
different, um, types of eventsthat go on and stuff, but there,
and it is, it is Texas.
So we
OLIVIA (29:19):
talked about how, you know, it's more accepted now
than it was, you know, back whenwe started, but it.
Also, I mean, the other side ofthat coin is that it's not so
much as you would think.
JOHNNIE (29:29):
No, it's not because the ones that are going, Oh, no,
we can't do this is familyorientated.
Are the same ones that, youknow, you might see at one of
our events, which that'sperfectly fine.
Okay.
We, we include everybody.
CASEY (29:45):
Well, so is there, whenever y'all do find a venue
and you go to that, is therelike special permitting that you
have to go through, like specialred tape?
You have to try to get around tojust to even have these events
in the first place.
OLIVIA (29:57):
Um, it depends, I think, on the city ordinances.
Um, we have just recently cameacross another venue that, um,
outside of city limits, the citythat we're looking at is doesn't
allow that within certainbounds.
So we are going to have to beoutside, but this event does
(30:18):
include penetration.
So I think that that's 1 of thebiggest.
I don't know taboos, I guess outthere
JOHNNIE (30:27):
as far as far as the city officials, the, the, the
event, um, department C, Dallashas like a whole entire
apartment that's dedicatedspecifically to special events.
Um, a lot of people don't knowthat you technically in order to
be legal, you actually have tobe.
A licensed, um, event promoteror producer with the city of
(30:52):
Dallas in order to promote anevent.
So, uh, yeah, you have to,you've got to look at the
ordinances.
And I mean, I spent a lot oftime looking at the city of
Dallas is a book of especiallyevents.
Cause I mean, it coverseverything from parking to, you
know, alcohol, that type ofstuff.
(31:13):
So there, there's a lotinvolved.
It's not just, Hey, look, that'sa cool building in there.
Call the DJ don't work likethat.
CASEY (31:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
That's something that we haveexperienced with as well.
And I know that, I mean, itwould come down to it being that
it would be a sexually orientedperson.
So a sexually oriented event,and then there's a whole nother
special book centered aroundlike anything to do with that
and they come down hard.
Yeah,
KARI (31:39):
I mean, what do you tell your insurance company what you
do?
You know, well, so we, um, uh,
JOHNNIE (31:48):
yeah, I mean, it can definitely be very, very
challenging.
I mean, just to ask Pornhub.
I mean, Hey.
CASEY (31:56):
Sorry to see them go from Texas.
Yeah, no doubt.
JOHNNIE (31:59):
Um, but it's, it can be done and you're right.
Texas does have somechallenging, um, rules and
regulations or whatever, butit's, it's really not that
difficult to navigate.
You just have to be cognitiveand aware of.
And like my wife says, no, he'shalf the battle.
(32:19):
So, uh, if you know what theproblem is, the solution is just
around.
OLIVIA (32:25):
I know how to word it.
JOHNNIE (32:26):
Yeah.
Know how to verbalize it.
That's what I was going to say.
I
KARI (32:29):
guarantee it has to be an all in just how you word things.
CASEY (32:33):
And then once you learn it, once you get past that, I
would imagine it kind of is justa lot of work to put in to get
there.
And then for them on events canbecome a little bit easier to
plan.
OLIVIA (32:43):
Oh, yeah, you would think like, yeah, definitely,
definitely.
JOHNNIE (32:49):
Um, well, what are the challenges with the event or the
approaches that we're taking?
I mean, could we put anotherFedEx evolution together?
Yeah, we can have one ready togo in probably 60 days.
But where our challenge is, willwe do another fetish evolution?
Yeah, we will.
But that's April of next year.
Okay.
(33:09):
So let's do a different event.
So it's almost like starting allover again.
Cause you need differentperformers.
You're going to need differenttypes of vendors.
You're going to need.
You know, a different type ofDJ.
Okay.
Maybe even a different type ofan MC or even what I haven't
seen.
KARI (33:28):
Are you telling me that you're not stripping DJing up
there?
H each time.
That's just, we need to see it.
OLIVIA (33:36):
I know
JOHNNIE (33:37):
I'll see if I can find a DJ that, you know, um, doesn't
have a problem with, you know,being at least in a banana
catcher, you know,
KARI (33:48):
Well, are you that dj?
JOHNNIE (33:50):
Uh, not dj.
When I DJ it was actually hadlike a chaos pad and actually
had, you know, turntables, theydo stuff with computers now
though.
OLIVIA (34:00):
And we were, I mean, we were just running around like
mm-Hmm.
crazy people.
Um, I imagine four 20 mm-Hmm.
So I could, I, I honestly don'tremember half of the night, and
it's not because I wasintoxicated, because I didn't
even drink.
It was because I was just goinglike a hundred miles an hour.
JOHNNIE (34:19):
Yeah.
I mean, it was from the latexlabs to the vendor up to the
show, not to look at the show,but make sure everything's okay.
And then turn right back downto, you know, over to the door
to, yeah, it was.
I think maybe her and I actuallysat down together for like 25,
(34:41):
maybe 30 minutes and watched aportion of one performance.
And that was it.
I waved at her a couple of timeswhen I passed her in the hallway
the entire night.
CASEY (34:55):
Yeah, that's it.
Look, I've been in the sameplace before with going and
running behind the scenes ofevents where you don't really
catch much of anything.
You spend all your time makingsure everyone's happy, making
sure things are flowing, makesure that like any officials
that are there are getting whatthey need and get the hell out.
JOHNNIE (35:11):
Yes, definitely.
And.
Wow.
We was actually wanting toincorporate a fire, a fire
performance and that that's awhole nother
CASEY (35:23):
say fire marshal on that one's got to be,
JOHNNIE (35:27):
so, uh, yeah, I can only imagine how things would
have been if we'd had the cityof Dallas on set with the fire
marshal and everything else, inaddition to everything that we
was having going.
You know, fire
CASEY (35:40):
marshal would be.
Briefing of your event later, belike, okay, so here's what I
KARI (35:47):
saw.
Now, what would happen is thefirefighters would just be there
and saying that like, well, Ohno, we're here just in case it's
just because we need to be here.
CASEY (35:57):
Sign up sheet.
KARI (35:58):
Exactly.
JOHNNIE (36:00):
That, that was a little hint right there.
Cause, uh, we are actuallydiscussing a.
Fire and ice temperature playevent is kind of on the table
top right now for particularlylater on in the year.
KARI (36:14):
That sounds like
CASEY (36:15):
fun.
That would be cool to see.
Yeah, definitely.
I mean, performances online ofpeople doing fire play and some
of the stuff they can do.
Any things like actually using,uh, some of the, the foam or
oils on skin that you can lightall the way to like fire
twirling and performances couldbe really, really cool to see.
OLIVIA (36:35):
Butane bubbles is another aspect of it that we
wanted to bring in.
CASEY (36:39):
We have a few people we follow that do the butane
bubbles.
JOHNNIE (36:43):
Well, our, uh, artistic director actually has a shibari.
Um, actor performance that she'sreally, really dying and wanting
to do.
And the person that she.
Uh, her rope bottom towards theend of the performance.
She actually uses the butaneapproach and sets them up.
CASEY (37:06):
That's cool.
That just sounds like a funevent.
Sign us up for that one.
We will
JOHNNIE (37:11):
be there.
It may,
CASEY (37:13):
it
JOHNNIE (37:13):
may not, you know, actually come about this year.
It may be something that we haveto.
You know, push off to next yearcause there's, there's a lot of
working parts with that one.
Yeah.
So,
uh, but it's definitely something on the tabletop we're
discussing and bring on artisticdirector.
She's not going to let that onedie.
(37:35):
She's she's going to good untilshe gets that.
CASEY (37:38):
Well, Brianna, when you listen to this, keep it going,
don't ever let it go and make ithappen.
KARI (37:44):
Well, I mean, and we also know a gentleman that's opening
up a facility in Norfolk worth,maybe it'd be something just to
put y'all two in connection, buthe is, it's a Shabari studio,
but he is hoping to.
Creative events, host events anddoing stuff.
And we actually went and saw himthe other day and the space is
amazing.
(38:04):
It's absolutely amazing.
There's so much, they're doing astage.
So there's going to be areas foron the stage.
There's going to be areas forlike seating and hanging out.
He's creating a quiet space.
So if individuals want to go andkind of like separate out and
just talk and get away fromeverything.
Um, and I, I believe it's alsooutside city limits.
(38:25):
Yeah.
So it could be something thatI'm like, how
CASEY (38:28):
much are we allowed to sit?
I know, but it could
KARI (38:31):
be just to maybe away from this, make that connection.
And then maybe, you know,something can work out for
y'all.
But, and that was one of thereasons why I asked, cause we,
we spoke with him about howdifficult it was to get a space
going and yeah, it's not easy.
It is not easy.
And, and again, if our episodesabout community and trying to
build that up.
Like, maybe that'll be a greatconnection for, for y'all, you
(38:54):
know,
JOHNNIE (38:55):
we would definitely be able to, I mean, please, uh,
strongly encourage shoot us anemail, um,
KARI (39:01):
or at least give that
JOHNNIE (39:03):
individual our contact and say, Hey, look, get back
with them.
They're looking forward totalking with you.
Um,
OLIVIA (39:09):
yeah, we're always open to
JOHNNIE (39:10):
class.
Yeah.
Most definitely collaborations.
OLIVIA (39:13):
One of our goals is to eventually get a venue.
Yes.
Right now, because we're juststarting, we're kind of having
to look for more creative typesof venues.
Yeah.
Um, but that is one of our goalsas well.
To actually have our ownfricking one of that.
JOHNNIE (39:31):
Yes.
Um, I remember there is, wewould like to, and we actually,
even in the beginning, um, wedecided, or we determined that
we wanted to be able to utilizeand produce our productions all
over the Metroplex.
We did not want to be limited tojust, you know, deep L or to
(39:54):
Dallas, which there's a strongcommunity based on
misunderstanding.
Damn it.
We'll always be doingproductions and stuff in
develop, um, in, in that Dallasarea, but we also would like to
come to Fort Worth.
We would love to bring stuff toFort Worth.
Cause there is a lot of peopleover here.
There is a large community baseover here in Fort Worth.
(40:17):
We would like to exposeourselves to them and give them
the opportunity for that sameinclusiveness for that same safe
space.
To be able to experience andexplore their keys is what we
provided to Dallas.
CASEY (40:35):
I like it.
Oh, shoot.
I mean, this has been a greatinterview.
We really appreciate you guysfor coming on.
So if people want to get intouch with you, they require
about being a performer orattending one of your events.
Um, how, how do they find youguys?
OLIVIA (40:50):
Definitely, um, you can reach out to us.
Our email is right on thewebsite.
Um, There's opportunities tovolunteer, um, for performers.
Like you can sign up right onthe website.
JOHNNIE (41:04):
Yeah.
Also go to, uh, that evolutionat Instagram and you can message
us direct right there.
And, uh, we actuallycommunicated with some of the
performers, a lot of theperformers in preparation for
the event.
Um, they was.
Promoting us and stuff on theirinstagrams and tagging us and we
(41:27):
was communicating back and forthwith those types of issues.
Um, they actually sent some oftheir performances directly to
our instagram and we kind of gotan idea of what they was capable
of doing, kind of what they wasbringing to the table.
So yeah, the website and theinstagram bottle.
CASEY (41:43):
Awesome.
And I'm assuming same thing withvendors.
If they are looking to a placeto, to kind of push some of
their products and things, theycan sign up as vendors with you
guys for your events and set upa table and do as they are
JOHNNIE (41:57):
most definitely.
Um, we are our baseline.
Um, we actually, uh, When we gotto Dallas and stuff, we actually
started in the vendor base.
We, uh, we do the outdoor marketat, um, deep Ellen on a regular
basis.
We do Bishop art.
So bending is definitelysomething we're no stranger to.
(42:19):
And as being vendors andactually producing our own
vendor events.
I love to have the opportunityto get back to give back to
other vendors and stuff andprovide them the space and the
platform to sell their productsas long as it, you know, Fish
and it goes in line with thefetish and kink.
(42:39):
The fetish and kink and the typeof event that we're doing at the
time.
CASEY (42:44):
Well, we, we appreciate you guys.
Irish Johnny.
Thank y'all so much.
And thank you for, for creatingthis, this evolution.
This thing that you guys have inmind, um, we encourage anybody
that needs to like reach out tothese guys, as they said, that
evo.
com we still find them onInstagram at evolution.
You can find all of their links,um, in the, in the notes below.
(43:05):
So for another episode of comewith Casey, we're your hosts.
I'm Dr.
Casey Sanders
KARI (43:09):
and I'm Carrie Sanders.
We'll
CASEY (43:11):
see y'all next time.
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