June 18, 2024 • 65 mins
Andy and James share their reactions to the 992.2. Porsche just recently announced the second generation 992 and besides adding a T-Hybrid engine that comes with the GTS variant, they're throwing everything else away - no rear seats, no manual transmission, no more key-start ignition, no more analog instrument cluster gauges. The cheek!
In this episode we're also talking about the recent lawsuit Porsche brought against million-dollar modifiers 'Singer', we recap Porsche's recent adventures at Le Mans and Andy has a new daily driver! (To be honest, it's not a Beige Volvo, but it might as well be...).
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
dude, how long has it been?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
andy, it's been a while, mate.
It's been a while.
Should we tell people, though,that it it almost was a lot less
than it has been, but yourstruly, here messed up the
recording last time oh, that'sright's right.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Do you know what I actually forgot about that?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am still kicking myself, because we were there,
you know, enjoying a good houror so's worth of banter, and
then you volunteered to edit theepisode together and you were
like, yeah, so have you got anymore than like the first 30
minutes worth of audio?
I was like, yeah, so have yougot any more than like the first
30 minutes worth of audio?
I was like what?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What you know and what's funny is, as I was doing
show notes today, I was thinking, ah, damn, we covered all this
stuff already in our last pod.
Oh, that's a shame because itwould be good to talk about, but
we never did so.
It's and I don't want to talktoo much inside baseball about
the pod, but it is.
It's and I don't want to talktoo much inside baseball about
the pod, but it is.
It's very early where you areand to anyone listening at home,
(01:10):
I'm just going to say thisabout my good friend, james
McGrath.
The phrase ahead for radioreally comes to mind right now 5
am and the troll you know thoselittle trolls with the pink
hair that I'm greeted by isquite, quite spectacular.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
The man from the Hound of the Baskervilles.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, that's me.
I just want you to startyelling.
I'm not an animal or callingfor a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Ruth, god, yeah, fantastic.
Well, let's talk about porsche.
What's on the agenda today?
Andy?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I did heaps.
I mean, uh, obviously, I wouldsay the entire porsche world has
been awaiting eagerly our viewson the 992.2, so we're going to
get into that.
Uh, some updates on both of ourcars.
I mean, we've not talked aboutthat forever.
Road trips and rallies I don'tknow where you've been, you
(02:12):
don't know where I've been andporsche racing at le mans.
I know you're going to be keento discuss that and you'll do a
deep dive, uh, and then someinteresting porsche stuff in the
news and of course we've gotour good old video of the week.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Welcome to Curb and Canyon.
That was a good welcome.
(02:50):
That was a very just welcome to.
That was awesome.
The best bit was the deep diveon le mans.
I was like, wait, that'shappened.
Yeah, I'll be talking aboutthat in depth yeah, you know I
follow events like that yeah,I'm looking forward to your
report.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's um, I'm sure everyone is.
It's because I'm I'm sure it'llbe laden with um insightful
coverage uh detailed lots offast driving oh yeah, I mean no
doubt, no doubt, james, how haveyou been?
It's been a while.
Huh, it's been a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I it has.
Yeah, it's been.
It's been a while.
Huh, it's been a minute it has.
Yeah, it's been a crazy coupleof months, as ever, but some fun
things have been happening inthe Auto Amateur Garage.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Not the least, I've seen a little change in the Auto
Amateur Garage, uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Uh-huh, yeah, I feel like I've sort of renewed my
commitment to the car and towrenching and to my channel, all
just by making a choice, andthat's to change my lift.
I've got this new awesometwo-post lift in my garage and
it is so good.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
In fact it's so good it's almost a little
intimidating, to be honest withyou well, do you know, because I
watched on socials I saw somefootage of the lift going up and
you know it's serious when itdoes that kind of ticking noise
as it goes up.
You know it's got the safetymechanisms in place.
This is a serious lift, becauseyou had what like a quick jack
(04:21):
before that right no, it was aserious lift, serious lift.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was, let's say, a semi-serious lift.
It was a scissor lift and ithad all the safety features you
know you'd hope for.
Um, it was, uh, it was the, thequick jacks.
You know you put them down, youtake them up when you don't
want to use them.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
This was fixed in place so how high would that
previous lift go?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
could you get under the car?
You could get under the car ifyou were sitting on a stool, but
you couldn't.
You couldn't walk under the car.
It was a mid-rise lift, so Ithink I think the spec said you
got about 40 inches of clearanceright, which is um I don't know
what's that in kangaroo terms.
How many metres is that?
It's like four foot-ish.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And the reason I ask is my friend Fraz shout out.
He has one of those scissorlifts and I was around at his
place.
We actually did just someinspection underneath my car,
just wanted to make sure myshifter mechanism was all
perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And yeah, it's, it's a, it's an interesting height to
operate at, because you can'tstand but you sort of can't sit
and it's, yeah, it's quite it'spretty awkward and I hit my head
I don't know three or fourtimes while I was under there
yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, Ithink, after having that sizzler
for a good three years, maybefour years, I think, in total,
(05:52):
absolute beaut for changingwheels, doing brakes, you know,
taking off the bumpers, maybeair filters, that sort of stuff,
but actually to get fully underthe card, no, not not fantastic
.
Um, I mean, when we did project996 and my mates, um, pat and
steve, um, you know, we droppedthe transmission and that was a
(06:14):
lot of working around, you know,on our backs, on our knees,
well, to be fair, those guyswere doing that and I was
videoing.
But no, right, right, um, butyeah, so this, this, um, you
know the problem with that umsizzle, if they're ultimately
was.
I got my car stuck on top of itseveral times, like it was
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fully extended in the air and,um, it happened once with my
Cayenne and it happened twicewith my nine 11 and it got all
the way to the top, clicked inplace and, you know, put the
parking brakes on and it clickedin place.
But when I went to release itto try and bring it down, um,
you could hear theelectromagnets buzzing like they
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were trying to lift thebrackets up so that the
hydraulics would bleed, and andit would, it would come down,
but it, it, it didn't happen.
And, uh, it was.
I mean, that's obviously quiteconcerning.
You know, my car stuck up there.
What am I going to do?
How did you resolve?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Uh, that involved my, my good friend Costas uh coming
over and my, my good friendcostas uh coming over and, um,
the two of us basically using acombination of floor jacks and
crowbars to take the weight ofthe car on the lift and jack it
up an extra like half inch sothat we could take the pressure
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off one side, so that we couldrelease the safety brake, and
then we we kept the brake openwith a crowbar while we let the
thing slide down.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It sounds super dangerous I was about to say,
that doesn't I mean.
The good thing is that doesn'tsound dangerous at all oh my god
.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think it's even more dangerous than we, than we
assumed it was.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh man no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, but you know, actually, having scrapped it now
, upon inspection it looked likeone side of the lift had turned
slightly and a twisted.
And if I, yeah, I know, and I,think about a year ago.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
My eyes right now.
Why yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I know, about a year ago I had a hydraulic leak and I
thought I refilled it enoughbut I remember one time Can you
get tablets for that leaking?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sorry, it's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Totally different.
That's your kind of leaking.
I think it's called dipends.
But yeah, when I brought thecar down one time, one side was
coming down faster than theother and so it was slightly off
kilter and I stopped itimmediately and pushed it all
the way back up and then broughtit down and it was fine.
But I think for that moment itwas uneven.
(08:59):
It must have bent something andthat was it.
That was it for that lift forgood.
So it's done with.
And that was it.
That was it for that lift forgood.
So like it's done with.
Not good, not cool.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Is there.
I mean, this represents, likeyou say, a move towards.
Okay, I'm back, I'm wrenching.
What's happening?
What's the first project?
Lift kit on the car end.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Dude, I've had the lift for a week and all I've
done is car goes up, car goesdown, car goes up, car goes down
.
Just like Homer Simpson it'sactually my 911's there.
All of the things are still inplace, all of the struts are
still in place, and I go intothe garage and I'm like, yeah,
let's just lift the car up.
Car goes up, car goes down, cargoes up.
(09:46):
But I can get it almost all theway up to the ceiling and I can
just about well, I can walkunderneath it with, like my head
slightly crooked because I'm atall guy.
Um, but what next?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
okay, well you know I actually want to start with an
acknowledgement.
My buddy PJ, who you know, oneof my driving mates.
I've driven with him for yearsnow he organizes our Tasmania
rally trip.
Really great guy and over thepast I want to say two years
(10:21):
he's embarked on guess, learningrace craft or learning learning
how to drive a car on a circuitand you know he's invested a
lot of time, a lot of energyinto training and coaching and
track days and all of this stuff, ultimately leading to what
(10:45):
happened two weekends ago, whichwas his first race in the
Porsche 944 racing series.
Wow.
So first, actual wheel-to-wheelracing and I think, once you
step out of just doing trackdays and timed events to
actually going wheel-to-wheelracing, I I think that, yeah, I
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think that's awesome.
He, he did incredibly well, Ithink.
Um, he started at the back ofthe grid, I think, in the first
race and was, you know, didn'twant to be the new guy rubbing
fenders with other people andand sort of annoying the
establishment.
Um, it's all, it's a complete944, uh, spec series.
So there's, there's no other,no other cars.
(11:27):
But you know, within, withinthat race, he actually made up a
bunch of places and I think inrace two, I think he finished.
I want to say eighth, which youknow for his first time out
what a, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
What?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
an impressive effort, and there's um, there is
actually a, a youtube streamingservice that actually runs these
events live, so you can watchthem.
It's perhaps not quite sky f1level of coverage, but it's it's
still really great and andgiven that the racing was
actually happening interstate,all of us were able to tune in
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on the day on youtube and watchthe live stream.
It was.
It was really really great.
So, yeah, p PJ, hats off myfriend.
It's impressive to watch andgood on you for actually taking
that step.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So what has he got to do with his car to sort of keep
it track ready?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
This is a track-only car, so PJ's got a few cars.
In fact I can't keep track ofwhat cars he has.
He has a, I think he's got a996 cup car and so most of his
track work, I think, has been inthat car.
And so this 944, it's a trackcar only I don't think it's able
(12:44):
to be road registered, I don'tthink it's road legal.
But there was obviously quitean adjustment to going from, you
know, a rear engine platformthat is, the 911, which he spent
most of his time in and sometime in mid-engine Caymans to
front-engine transaxle 944.
(13:07):
So I think that's taken someadjustment based on what he's
said to me and said to our groupmore broadly.
But you know, and the car wasprepped by our good mate Daz,
who drives with us.
He runs a shop called AutoCoupe here in Melbourne, one of
the best independent Porscheshops here in Melbourne, and he
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did the prep work on it.
And actually PJ's car looksamazing because it looks a
little bit like Cole Trickle'scar in Days of Thunder.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So good has he got himself an absolutely precious
sponsor Something ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, yeah, I think he may or may not have tweaked
the auto coupe logo to look likethe Mellow Yellow logo.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh, so good so tell me, would you?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I mean, I already know the answer to this, given
your lack of interest inPorsche's motorsport in general
Is track days.
I know you wouldn't want torace, but have you done track
days?
Is track day something you wantto do?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
no, actually in, in theory, track days is absolutely
something I would want to doand I'm like a really
competitive person.
So yeah, like racing I'd bereally interested in doing as
well.
But I'd only want to do it if Icould do it properly and I
could do it consistently.
Like the idea of a one-offtrack day just really doesn't
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interest me.
I, I want to, I want to knowthat I can do it on a regular
basis and I, I know that I don'thave, or at least at the moment
I know that I don't have timeto do it.
But yeah, the whole idea andalso I think if I wanted to do
it, I'd want a dedicated trackcar.
I wouldn't want to use my daily, or at least my day-to-day 911
(14:59):
on the track which a lot of myfriends do Partly just for the
arse factor.
I couldn't be arsed changingover you know the brakes and the
wheels all the time and youknow, I think my track car I'd
happily have you know crap allover it and have it dirty and
wouldn't care about keeping itpristine, like my daily.
So in theory, absolutely, I'dabsolutely love to do it.
(15:22):
But I'm a bit of an all ornothing guy and if I can't do it
as much all as I want to, thenit's just going to be a pipe
dream and I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do you know what I get?
That too, and I think what'sinteresting with track days is I
kind of feel like if you do itconsistently, it almost feels
like well, then you have to takethe next step and start racing
and actually go wheel to wheel,and then that's a whole
different level of commitment initself, both in terms of, you
(15:53):
know, obviously, the dangerelement, but also the time
that's involved and thefinancial investment.
I'm a bit the same as you.
I've done a couple of trackdays both, both in the 964, and
I've really enjoyed them.
But because they've been spacedso far apart the first like
maybe two sessions I'm reallyslow, really just you know, like
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a newborn foal out there, justkind of wobbling around and it
takes me a, takes me a good longwhile to work out that for a
track to make sense you actuallyhave to drive fast.
And yeah, and and you know I'llgo out in the first session and
you're pulling out of the pitsand a gt3 comes hammering past
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250 kilometers an hour and youjust think, oh shit, it's.
It feels like, you know, whenyou're a kid and you go roller
skating for the first time andyou go out on the rink and you
just feel like everyone else cando it, but you can't yeah, yeah
, yeah by the end of the day Ialways feel good, but yeah, I
haven't done one now since gosh21.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Maybe a good few years yeah, yeah, you know, I
think in some ways, if I canequate it to golf, is that a
really lame thing to do.
But I imagine the amount ofportia people out there that
play golf is probably quitesignificant.
I don't know why is there ahigh correlation between golf
playing and portia ownership?
um, when I, when I was a kid, uh, my brother was massively into
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golf and so, kind of by default,I was into golf and I had the
opportunity to play everyweekend and I had the
opportunity to play once ortwice during the week and I I
did that, loved it, got into it,and so, because I had the
opportunity to spend quite a bitof time doing it, I threw
myself into it, got pretty good,um, and got my handicap down
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and absolutely loved it.
But now here living in thestates, I bought myself a bag of
clubs and in 10 years I thinkI've been to the driving range
once and every.
Now and again, when somebody islike, hey, you want to go to
the driving range, I'm like notreally, to be honest, um,
because I know that it'll belike a one-off thing yeah um,
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even the odd chance to go to ayou know, go and play a round of
golf.
I know that it's going to be aone-off thing and no, I want to.
That's probably a hugecharacter defect here I'm
exposing in myself, but I knowthat it's.
I don't have time for it in myregular, like scheduled life and
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therefore why do it just once?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
yeah yeah, I mean, it's funny if I think about
motorsport.
I think the kind of motorsportthat would appeal more to me
would be like tarmac rally, um,but because that's more akin to
the sort of driving I do on theweekends.
But first of all, I don't thinkI have anywhere near the talent
for that, nor the just.
(18:53):
I want to say bravery, but it'ssort of bravery mixed with
seemingly a lack ofself-preservation that those
guys have, and I think thedanger element is just so dialed
up in that form of motorsport,because you don't have runoff,
you don't have kitty litter, youhave trees that don't move when
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you hit them.
So anyway, I think, the bottomline is I don't ever see myself
participating in any form ofmotorsport, as much as I enjoy
watching it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't ever see myself participating in any form
of motorsport, as much as Ienjoy watching it.
Also, let's face it, the onetime I did really try and commit
to go tracking with my friends,I bought the helmet.
It didn't fit.
When I did find the helmet,when I did find a helmet that
even partially fit, I couldn'tget my big, massive head with
that helmet inside the 911.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
See, I did the opposite.
I don't know why, but I boughtthis like, I guess, the kind of
helmet that someone who rides acafe racer motorbike would wear.
So it was just this open face,no visor, I remember.
Open face, no visor, I'm sure ona guy with like high cheekbones
and great bone structure, itwould have looked cool and
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that's how I imagined it looked.
And then I saw actually how itlooked on me and it just I just
looked like a human ping pongball.
I could not have looked moreridiculous.
I was just all cheeks and chin.
And this is this pissy littlehelmet.
It was the worst thing ever.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Good, I remember, yeah, I remember.
Yeah.
I'm not gonna say yeah, butyeah, not good luck.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
All right, shall we talk about the 992.2?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I was gonna say speaking about not good looks,
I've, you know, yeah, let's talkabout the 992.2.
I was going to say speakingabout not good looks, you know.
Yeah, let's talk about the 992.
Should we be surprised, orshould I be surprised, that what
I've heard so far is a lot ofcriticism and a lot of naysaying
from people around me and thepress that I've read online?
(21:02):
I'm actually kind of excitedabout it.
I mean, why not, sure, let ofexcited about it.
I mean, why not, sure, let'stalk about it.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So let's maybe start with broad brush, just
impressions of it.
I think it looks the stylingI'm really happy with.
I think you know each time theydo the second-gen version of
one of their cars 991.2, forexample, this car I feel like
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having had the opportunity tolive with the industrial design
that finds itself into thatfirst series for a couple of
years.
They're really able to thenrefine it.
So I think from a designperspective I really like the
look of it.
I don't like one of the gts'sthat I saw uh, maybe it was in a
cars with luke video actuallyhas this big like dome thing in
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the in the front grill which Ithink has something to do with
like gets a camera or something.
That thing looks weird.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's a.
It's a double dome from what Iunderstand.
Yeah, that's right, double dome.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Spec.
Without that it looks heinous.
But other than that my overallimpression just broadly is I
really like the look of it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And does that extend to the sort of the fins on the
left and right of the frontbumper?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, I like like them, like active.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I'm, I'm about that yeah, you see that that's
the one part of the design I'mnot so sure about, to be honest.
But but overall, and maybe thisis just because I don't know
the 992 well enough, it justbasically looks the same with
new fins.
To me, I, there's nothingrevolutionary there, well, and
(22:50):
okay, fair enough, that's.
I fell into the trap, isn't,haven't I?
There's nothing revolutionary,really, generation to generation
about the 911.
That's the whole point, that'sright, it's just.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But also, yeah, and when you're talking about the
second iteration of the samegeneration, then it's absolutely
an evolution rather thanrevolution argument, right?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, but like you know, the profile to me
basically looks virtuallyidentical to the Dot 1.
The rear essentially looks likethe Dot 1.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
From a styling point of view, it's really just the
fins and the cameras at thefront, but see, they fixed that
rear bumper though, because youknow how, where the license
plate recess on the basicCarrera used to be really low,
they've lifted that up and Ithink that looks less awkward.
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And I also think the wholeintake across the front of the
car, which had this sort ofshark's mouth slight awkwardness
to it which, to be honest, inthat first gen I don't think was
resolved with.
You know you could get thesport design package on the
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exterior right and it had thekind of angular intakes.
I actually thought that was alittle bit clumsy too, because
you had the outer edges of thoseintakes were vertical.
Then with the angular sort ofcenterpieces of them, it didn't
quite work.
It looked as though they triedto channel the shape of the
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intakes from the 991.2 GT3, butjust hadn't quite nailed that.
I feel like this is a moreresolved front end.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough.
Okay, I can buy that, but Ithink the interior is where some
of the most notable changes are.
No manual, right?
Not so far, there's no manual.
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Thank God, we've still got the Braun shifter
though.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But we've got an eight-speed PDK.
Fantastic, you know I love pdk,but but no manual.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I I'm I'm pretty sure that's going to change when the
gt3 comes out oh, I've no doubtI, I I don't know if this is a
silly question, but because Idon't understand the the
technology behind it.
But so the gts is the only uhvariant that has the this t
hybrid technology.
Does that, does that hybridtechnology, allow for a manual
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gearbox, or or does that in someway prevent, prevent the car
from being able to have a manual?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
good one.
I I've heard that it preventsit from having a manual, but
then does that mean?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
don't you love that detailed analysis, the technical
expertise I've heard?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
but then does that mean?
Does that mean, well, the gt3might just come with a regular
engine then?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
well, so the it's quite possible because the,
because they've dropped there's,there's seven variants in one
hit right.
So they've done the carrera,the carrera cab, the gts, the
gts cab, gts4, gts4 cab and gts4targa.
So no carrera s yet, which isreally odd that the gts doesn't
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usually come out until after.
It's usually Carrera andCarrera S right, and maybe
Carrera 4S.
So it seems odd that the GTShas come so quickly and it's got
the hybrid.
So does the S.
Does it not have a hybrid?
Is there not going to be an S?
Yeah, yeah, it's going to beinteresting to see how it
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develops.
Right, once that S comes out,once the Turbo comes out, once
the GT3 comes out, how are thecards all going to fall?
There's got to be a manual inthere somewhere.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And the hybrid just comes with the 3.6 litre flat
six that's in the GTS.
The hybrid isn't coming withthe standard Carrera, correct,
right, right.
So you've got to go for the gtsif you want that hybrid
experience.
Yeah, but then it also, fromwhat I understand that, you know
, the minute I think of hybrid,I think of my wife's highlander,
(27:20):
and that driving experience isso bad, it's so bad.
You know, it's such a bad carto drive in so many ways, but
the hybrid component is justspooling the turbochargers
(27:42):
faster, right, so the engine isstill operating like a
combustion engine, but theturbos are being sort of
pre-spooled so that they come onfaster well, yeah, I think
that's what I, that's what Iunderstand no, that's right,
it's so.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So you'll never just take off in battery hybrid mode,
you know, and and it'sobviously not a plug-in hybrid
but yeah, the hybrid acts to um,I don't know whether it's
pre-spooling the turbos orwhether it's how should I say?
It kind of comes in tointroduce the torque and
(28:15):
horsepower in that moment beforethe turbos have spooled up, so
that you don't get any of thatlag that the hybrid does the
early lifting before the turboscome in, the early lifting
before the turbos come in.
And I've In fact my new dailyhas that exact or a form of that
technology and it's seamless.
(28:36):
You don't notice it, I don'tthink you notice it.
So I don't think it's going tobe like the Toyota Highlander
experience.
There's a lot to suggest.
The new 911 will not drive likeyour wife's island, with the
greatest respect to ruthie'sdaily let's, let's hope, not um.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And then the other thing uh, people are up in arms
about is that there's no moreanalog tack face.
It's no more analog, it'scompletely electronic in the
middle, which I am.
I personally am sad to see go.
But like does this?
Is this a weird way of lookingat it?
If you want an analog TacFace,just buy a 911 with an analog
(29:19):
TacFace, just don't buy the newPorsche.
Is that just too obvious?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
No, it may surprise you to hear me say this, but I
kind of don't care.
You know, my view is the 911constantly evolves.
It should be a performance andtechnological tour de force.
And, yes, I love the analogthrowback to a time past, to a
(29:49):
car like my 964.
But it's not.
It's 2024.
There is so much technology inthe car I don't think it's
necessary to have an analog techface.
Like I say, I'm not sure that'sa view that many would agree
with, but I think the way youjust put it is spot on a view
that many would agree with, butI think the way you just put it
(30:09):
is spot on.
If, if yeah, I think if youwant that experience, it doesn't
make for an analog drivingexperience.
The car is anything but that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So yeah, if you want that, buy a 993 or a 996 yeah or
a g body yeah, well, or or justa 991 you know, yeah, yeah%.
If you can afford a 992.2, youcan afford to go and buy
yourself a 991 Carrera just toput it in your garage to say
(30:38):
you've got an analog.
Tack face.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, and so think about that right, like who's the
main customer for Porscheselling 911s?
I don't think it's hardcoreenthusiasts who would see or who
would feel a level ofdisappointment that the analog
(31:01):
tack was gone.
In fact, if anything, I thinkthe average Porsche buyer would
probably look at that throwbackand and and almost see it as a
as a negative that oh hey, I cango buy a new r8 and they've got
a complete virtual cockpit, ora new mercedes has a complete
yeah yeah and porsche have gotthis stupid old bloody taco in
(31:23):
the middle of the screen.
What the heck?
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, fairenough I don't know they fixed
the um, those uh outer gaugeswhich you couldn't see through
the, through the steering wheelon the first gen which everyone
seemed to get frustrated aboutand I always kind of laugh at
because I think man drive a 964,you can't see anything you know
(31:44):
, actually that that is true.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The when I have driven the 992, um I have I have
wondered or at least I have Ican't talk this morning, it's
way too early um, I've, I'vewondered if this stuff in the
instrument cluster that I shouldbe caring about, looking about
that I can't see because thesteering wheel and my hands are
(32:07):
in the way, yeah, and so thathas worried me a little bit.
Um, but yeah, on the analogthing, the last piece of analog
technology in the cockpit seemsto be the clock if you get the
sports that still has an analoguh hand, um.
And then the last thing on theexterior that struck out to me,
um, or stood out to me, I think,is by default, it's now just a
(32:30):
pure two-seater sports car youhave to option in the rear seats
.
I think that's pretty cool atlong last yeah, it's interesting
, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
because obviously the rear seats are a no-cost option
.
Um, I'd be.
I'll be very interested to seehow they're specced right,
because I have an ongoingconversation with a couple of
friends of mine that the 991.2Carrera T.
It's very rare that you see onewith what we would deem to be
(32:59):
quote-unquote correct spec.
So so often you see thoseCarrera Ts and their PDK with
glass sunroof full leather andrear seats and so all of the
things that make the T the Thave been stripped or kind of
changed back to basicallyCarrera S style specification.
(33:22):
So I wonder how many people aregoing to spec a 911 with no
rear seats, regardless of howuseless those rear seats are.
I think there's always a waythat one can reconcile the fact
that they're buying a ridiculoussports car by saying, yeah, but
if I need to, I can put thekids in the back.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, well, maybe, yeah, I guess.
So, yeah, yeah, I've used thatwith Ruthie once or twice.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I think time will tell.
Right Time will tell.
I think you'll see most of themwith seats.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, I imagine there'll be a lot of people
optioning them back in.
But I think if I was backing it, I would just happily not have
them in the back.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay.
So one thing that I've seen alot of people up in arms about
is we now have a start-stopbutton.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh, yes, I've got to say that I am disappointed about
that.
You know, take the tag face.
You know, take the rear seats,but come on.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I must be less of a traditionalist or anorak than I
thought I was.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You don't care I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Every other performance car has a start-stop
button.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
At least give the buyer the option.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You can't do that, why not?
The tooling would be completelydifferent.
And again, I think it'sprobably because it's not for
the enthusiast right.
A new 911 kind of isn't for theenthusiast, it's for the person
just getting into the brand whodoesn't know the whole key on
the left, all that stuff, youknow.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Dude, that itches my crack.
I mean, that's the one thingthose you know porsche guys up
there in stuttgart should havereally thought twice about.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I mean good, I'm glad we went there I you don't talk
a little more about your crack?
It's itchy, especially thistime in the morning.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
All right, let's switch on.
So let's talk about Le Mans andget that out of the way,
because I obviously have got noclue what's going on there.
So go on.
Then it happened, it was fast,someone won Great.
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean, look, I watched a lot of it on the
stream over the weekend.
A lot of my friends did.
It was very exciting becausethe Porsche 963 hypercar
actually achieved pole positionin the very capable hands of
Kevin Est, who's just an insanebeast of a driver, but finished
(36:01):
just off the podium in fourthplace.
And in fact I read today thatPorsche has actually come out
and claimed that rivals weresandbagging in the early
sessions.
I don't know how or why thatmatters at the end of the day.
My understanding is that theyhad some issues with
acceleration and top speed inone of the stints.
(36:24):
But you know, fourth is not bad.
Bad, but I guess just off thepodium, which is sad.
But the team obviously did a anamazing job.
But porsche did win in the lmgt3 class with the mantai racing
ema 911 gt3r driven by richardleitz who, if you if you've
watched the um road to le mansseries with michael fassb, he
(36:48):
features very heavily and thatseems to just be an amazing
driver Morris Turing and YasserShaheen.
So they actually won the LMGT3class.
So that's pretty damn cool andit was good to watch.
I love watching it.
I think it's the pinnacle ofmotorsport 24 hours making these
(37:09):
cars.
It used to be that you had tobe so careful not to break the
car, and that's why one of thereasons Porsche racked up so
much, so many wins over theyears.
Now it just seems like it'sflat out for the entire 24 hours
, except in this instance wherewe had four hours of safety car.
But pretty amazing racing.
I would encourage you, I wouldencourage you, to get around it
(37:32):
next time.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Do you mean you the listeners, or you me?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, I believe our listeners are not quite the
Philistines that you are.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
A lot of them probably watched that already.
Well, do you know what it is?
Yeah, you see, that rings abell now.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well, it's like sport , you know, usually you don't
get to barrack for Porsche.
Do you know what I mean?
They're not in F1.
And you know.
So, yeah, we all have ourfootball team or our hockey team
or our basketball team that wefollow, but it's really cool to
be cheering for Porscheorsche ina in a in a sporting setting.
(38:10):
So I love that.
I love the frustration ofseeing them make mistakes and I
love the the elation of seeingthem, seeing them win um yeah
you know, all right, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
And this, this conversation is ringing a bell
because I do remember at somepoint sometime this year you've
sent me a text message aboutPorsche being in pole position,
and now it's all falling intoplace.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So the next world endurance championship race
that's on.
I don't know what the next oneis.
Maybe it's like Nürburgring orspa or something.
I'm going to get you to do areport on it oh, my goodness,
let's, let's, let's not.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know, subject people to that no, I want to see
it.
I want, I want to hear a reportfrom you so, um well, look,
talking about go on what, what'snext?
Because I I actually had one tothrow in, considering I haven't
read.
Read your show notes for theday, which didn't arrive in my
inbox, by the way.
Just want you to know.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yes, they did.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
They did not.
I don't have show notes today,andy, but let me throw one at
you, speaking of cheering forPortia in the battleground of
Portia versus Singer and this isan article that you sent me
recently, by the way, which wewere going to talk about at some
point in a previous pod.
That never happened Portiasuing Singer.
(39:38):
Have you heard about?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
this.
Hasn't this all been resolved?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't know, you tell me.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
What other old news are we going to talk?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
about.
All right, then Go on then.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
The launch of the 997?
.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I, we're going to talk.
Oh, all, right, then go on then.
The launch of the 997 I thoughtthis had been resolved.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, I, I'm surprised porsche haven't sued singer
faster and earlier than this.
By the way, look, I'llcertainly say this uh,
regardless of of what theoutcome was, oh yeah, porsche
drops legal challenge againstSinger because I know that the I
don't know whatever came ofSinger's rally car that they
built with Tuthill, which waslaunched to quite some fanfare
(40:21):
back in I want to say 20 or 21,suddenly just vanished, and
apparently that was something todo with um porsche having an
issue with it.
I know that porsche is notbackwards in coming forwards
when it comes to protectingtheir ip and sometimes I think
they do that to the detriment oftheir brand.
(40:44):
I know they've done it withcontent creators.
I know that an extremelywell-known content creator had
to change the name of his entireconcept because Porsche made
him.
And you know, to me I sort ofthink, well, if somebody's maybe
(41:05):
you can argue somebody'sprofiting from creating a link
with a brand that they own.
But on the flip side, I thinkone of the things Portia needs
to be a little bit careful of isthat I don't think they can
control the entire culturearound their brand.
The brand is too wide-reaching.
(41:27):
It has myriad differentaudiences within the brand in
terms of the level of think theycan hope to appeal to or
communicate with all of them.
(41:51):
And I think Porsche's approachto advertising and brand
messaging and the like, I findit typically a bit overwrought
and heavy handed, whereas I lookat what, you know, people like
Pat Long and Jeff Swart havebeen able to do with Luftkakut
and what that interpretation ofthe Porsche brand looks like.
(42:13):
That's something I connect withway more than what Porsche does
themselves.
So I think they need to becareful with the way they go
after brands that like Singer.
That I think, ultimately,whether you are a fan of
Singer's work or not.
Ultimately, I think Singer arejust helping to continue the
(42:37):
Porsche legacy.
I think you've got to becareful in Porsche about how
hard you go after brands likethat.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, I think so too.
First off, I didn't realizethere was any kind of
relationship between Singer andPorsche, which the article that
you sent me sort of called outthat there is.
There is actually a memorandumof understanding between Singer
and Porsche and Porsche believedthat with the DLS Turbo they'd
(43:05):
actually broken that and goneway too far.
I mean, have you seen what thatcar looks like?
I mean, it looks more like asupercar hypercar than a 964
convert or a modded 964.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's got that massive Jetsons kind of whale tail on
the back.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
I mean, I would happily have one.
It looks pretty awesome.
But I guess, if, if, if theagreement with porsche was you
know, we're gonna, we're gonnamod the 964s and we're gonna put
our unique stamp on them andthey all sort of look like the
ones that we've been producingfor the last however many years.
You know, you'd kind of be fine.
And then porsche see this, I, Icould see them spitting up
(43:47):
their bratwurst with theirmorning coffee and being like
what the fuck are they doing now?
Um, so I can see that side ofthe argument, but at the same
time, you know what you werejust saying.
I think there is so much thatbenefits Porsche from having a
shop like this.
Just put their stamp on thesecars that are no longer in
(44:12):
production, that you know are nolonger competing with the cars
that are coming off theproduction line.
It's sensational.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that's a really important
distinction to make.
That in most instances well, infact I think in all instances a
Singer DLS isn't competing witha brand new 911.
The buyer of that car, if youhave the money for that, chances
are you've probably just boughtyourself a GT3 RS as well.
(44:42):
Anyway, right, it's not likefor like, so I don't think
they're competing propositions.
I think where Porsche felt thatSinger had gone too far was
actually in the use of thetrademarks and the brand, which
there's, as you say,historically been an
understanding between the two ofthem.
(45:02):
But anyway, look, in AprilPorsche dropped it.
So I don't know quite how thatwas resolved, but thankfully it
has been.
Very good yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Very good.
Well, I hope Singer continue topump out whatever they're
pumping out for those 964s.
I love them.
Every time I see one at a carshow it kind of feels, you know,
like you've come to a specialevent.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I love them too, but I'm sort of sick of 964s being
backdated.
To be honest, I really lovewhat Workshop 5001 in LA are
doing, where they take these964s, do incredible builds,
incredible engine work, butretain the integrity of the 964
(45:48):
shape, which I happen to thinkis one of the most beautiful 911
shapes there is.
Obviously I'm biased, but yeah,I would rather say to Singer
hey, build me a Singer, but justkeep it looking like a 964.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, yeah, hey.
By the way, so your 964, Ithink you slipped in some news
about a segment ago which wehaven't talked about.
Did you say you've got a newdaily?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I do have a new daily .
It's kind of exciting to me me,but probably not so exciting to
our audience is it a beigevolvo?
uh, no, it's not.
It is a black bmw m340i whichis oh, look, it's a little bit
of a wolf in sheep's clothing.
(46:35):
It's a couple years old, 2021model.
Uh, it's a what is it?
Three liter, turbo, inline six.
It's very rapid, it's superfast, but it's also really quiet
, really comfortable, reallyrefined.
Um, to be honest, I've only hadit a week and I'm loving driving
(46:57):
it, just loving it.
It's the best place to be everyday, but I'm actually really
looking forward to taking it insome twisties, because it goes.
It's got a jekyll and hydepersonality.
It's very quiet and refined,but then you put it in sport
mode and then the shifts arejust violent.
Uh, it's stiff.
It's got adaptive damping, soeverything stiffens up and it's
(47:18):
uh, yeah, it's.
I think it's going to be a hellof a lot of fun and, in fact,
my son Ryder and I are planninga night away, a bit of a rally
that we do every so often, and Isaid to him tonight I said,
okay, which car do we take?
And he was like oh, I don'tknow.
What do you want to take?
And I said I don't know.
(47:38):
And he was like oh, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
What do you want to take?
And I said I don't know.
So can we talk about the factthat you're betraying the brand
that we hold so dearly close toour hearts?
And podcast about Well, lookwhat's that about.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I've kept it German, and you know, the daily that I'm
selling was Murican.
It was a Jeep Grand CherokeeSRT with a V8 Hemi, which I've
had now for eight years.
So I figure, hey, if I've gonefrom an American SUV to a German
sedan, that's heading in theright direction at least.
(48:17):
Yeah, you keep telling yourselfthat, yeah, yeah look, hey, do
you know what if I, if I, if I,if I could have afforded to, I
would have done what I did?
Uh, through four years ago, Iwould have loved to have daily
to 991 that.
That that's sort of the dream.
And I, you know, I tried to dothat a couple years ago.
(48:37):
It wasn't the right time.
I'm actually at a point in mylife where it would have been
the right time, but just not theright time financially, you
know, the market's still still abit hot.
So, uh, yeah, I'm.
Do you know what I make?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
no apologies, I'm, I'm really happy with this car
you completely faked me outbecause you told me about the
daily and then you sent me aphoto of a 992.
And I was like what?
Really no way.
Come on, I did Cheeky bastard.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Hey, actually, speaking of photos, I just want
to circle back to Le Mans for asecond.
I saw a thing on social mediatoday that a couple of my mates
all shared around.
There was a photo of theporsche 963 hypercar so one of
the penske motorsport cars thatcompeted at le mans on a trailer
(49:28):
being towed by like avolkswagen jetta or something
like just on a highway somewherein france.
I'm like that cannot be real,surely that cannot be real.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
That can't be true.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
No, I know, but it's just it was yeah, it's quite
something.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Oh, that's a German helping out a fellow German.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Maybe, maybe.
So hey, obviously, since lastwe spoke, you've gone from.
Well, there's some yellowstripes for just a minute.
What happened?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
You know well.
So I've been, you know,tinkering with my car, like I
usually do.
I've gone for the yellow brakecalipers and the yellow sports
chrono clock face on theinterior.
I just, you know quite fancystripes.
I think I've put stripes onmost of my cars now.
They just didn't work out.
They just, they know quitefancy stripes.
I think I've put stripes onmost of my cars now.
(50:21):
They just didn't work out.
They just they didn't work out.
And they didn't work outbecause they unfortunately
weren't quite straight.
Oh, are you serious?
Yeah, yeah, to my untrained eyethey looked fantastic.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I've got four words for you.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
We're not robots, mate I did think about that
scenario actually when I pickedit up, because the guy who
installed him poor guy, I won'tname and shame him um, he
installed the first set and Ididn't realize they were the
wrong color.
(50:58):
So, to be fair, I gave him aset of stripes that were a
slightly different yellow thanthe yellow that was in the door
decals that he'd alreadyinstalled for me.
But he didn't notice that thecolor that he was installing
across the roof were differentto the color on the door.
So we didn't figure that outuntil they were already
(51:21):
installed.
So we got, we took them off.
Um, I had to order replacementset from the guy that you know I
bought the stripes from.
So the correct color came.
He installed them, I pickedthem up.
I thought it looked epic.
I loved how they looked.
A few weeks later I'm at carsand Coffee with my friends and
(51:42):
they all start to notice thatthe stripes on the hood aren't
straight.
I'm like what are you talkingabout?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Are you kidding me?
It's like having a piece ofbezel stuck in your teeth and
you just can't get it out.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Oh, mate, it was pretty embarrassing.
So there was that, and thenalso the stripes on the roof was
starting to bubble, um, whichis not good.
Um, one of them started to peelback already.
So right there at cars andcoffee, we decided to actually
just stand there and peel themall off and we did, oh you, oh,
(52:16):
you did it at Cars and Coffee.
Uh-huh yeah, we just stoodthere and peeled them all off,
chucked them in the bin.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Did you end up with this like layer of dust just
where the stripes had been, likeit kind of stuck to the sticky
bit?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
No, well, yes, for a second you could see the shadow
of the stripes.
But the good thing is thatbefore the stripes were
installed, um and this is alsoprobably the reason why they
weren't straight um, I had amodesta ceramic coating put on,
yeah, and so getting rid of thethe ghost image of the stripes
(52:53):
was super easy.
I just, you know, got somespray and buffed it off.
But I think that's the reasonwhy the stripes weren't straight
, because I swear to God, and Idon't, unfortunately, have a
photo directly in front of thecar with the stripes on.
All the photos I've got are ofthe slight angles, so I can't
quite prove this, but I think,when I picked the car up, the
(53:16):
stripes were straight.
I think, when I picked the carup, the stripes were straight,
and I think a combination ofheat and wind from driving has,
and the fact that the stripeswere installed on top of the
ceramic coats, has meant thatthe stripes have shifted
slightly and have moved, okay,so I don't know if that's
possible.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
You know I love you right, and I know it's early.
That is the dumbest thing I'veever heard.
There is no way that hashappened.
You don't think so?
No, look, ceramic coating isgreat, but what Just?
And it moves.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
All right, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Do you know, when we did Tasmania last year we had
these like old school rallydecals and they were quite big
and this really super heavy,thick, sticky stuff and we're
all actually pretty nervousabout putting them on our cars
(54:20):
and to the point where a coupleof the guys uh, like my pal
rocco put, he put his on hisrear windscreen.
He's like I just don't want toput it on the paint and because
also he had like a ppf on hiscar and he was worried it was
going to lift off the ppf.
And I remember after the rallyI was meeting kath and we were
going to spend a few extra daysdriving around Tasmania and I
(54:43):
went to a car wash and waswashing the car and I thought I
need to peel it off.
I need to know my car's okayunderneath it.
And I was peeling it off justthinking I could just picture
all the clear coat coming withit.
But it didn't.
Thankfully it was all okay.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Well, I was worried about that, as we were stood
there at carson coffee justpulling it off.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
But just getting into it with razor blades.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Well, you know, um, having pulled off decals before,
these ones were coming offsurprisingly easy and and what's
?
Probably because of you, yeah,it was probably because of the
coating.
But yeah, so we, we realized,we my friend Steve, realized it
wasn't straight, because as youlooked at the two stripes going
up the bonnet, the hood, theystarted perfectly, even either
(55:32):
side of the Porsche crest, butthey didn't end up perfectly
aligned with the sports chronohousing and the mirror in the
window.
They actually kind of tailedoff to the left.
So, yeah, the stripes came off.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
So is that the only work that the car's seen over
the last little bit, like somestripes on, stripes off, stripes
off uh, yeah, yeah, pretty much, um, but but I I do have a tune
that's going to go on and it'scoming on.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
I can tell you when are we lowering it a high degree
of certainty?
When are we loving it?
We're not lowering it.
Um, we might.
But look, I finally got myselfa windows tablet here so that I
can actually, um, you know,install the tune, which has been
the reason why I haven't doneit yet.
Um, but you know, I've spentthe past couple of uh wrenching
sessions working on my cayenne.
(56:28):
Um, I've, uh, I've been doingthe brakes on the cayenne.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, I know sorry, okay, tell me more, I'll tell
you about my jeep oh god, hey,speaking of jeeps, I had a um.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So I live in the suburbs of of minneapolis and
it's very suburban, you know,very, very kind of suburban.
So the other morning, on theway to cars and coffee, I was
driving with my son, adam, um,pulled up at the lights, next to
me was an srt, uh jeep cherokeeand uh, grand cherokee, and uh,
(57:05):
driving it was a 50s or 40ssomething soccer mom with her
kids in the back seat and um,she pulled the window down and
she was like you know, revenue,wanting to, to go.
So I was like, all right,sports mode, let's go.
(57:27):
And uh, I'm.
I'm happy to say that the nine11 outperformed the Jeep SRT uh,
three stoplights in a row, itwasn't even close.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Oh really, cause, cause, cause.
One thing I will say about thatcar it's quick off the line,
like I had I the launch control.
I think the best time I had waslike 4.3 to 100 to 62 okay,
pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Okay.
Well, it didn't sound like shewas doing launch control, but
she was definitely flooring itand giving it gas.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Oh, good on her.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, she was loving it.
She even had a golf visor on aswell.
Bit of Saturday morningexcitement for her.
Oh, that's gold.
Very good, that's gold.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
So did you really not get the show notes?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
Oh, promise to God, nope, didn't get the show notes.
What's the video of the week?
The show notes.
I promised god, nope, didn'tget the show notes.
What's the video?
Speaker 1 (58:21):
of the week?
I haven't seen it.
What is it all right?
Well, so the video of the week,uh is, I think, one one of the
one of the great motoringjournos, steve suck cliff, and
he is comparing I really enjoyedthis video the 992 gt3 rs to
the 993 carrera rs.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Now wait a minute the , not the nine night, wait the
what?
Speaker 1 (58:46):
the, the current gt3 rs to the 993 rs carrera rs oh,
so two two cars separated by along time and, but it was a
really interesting and, I think,very fair and balanced
comparison.
The obvious performanceadvantages that the 992 GT3 RS
(59:12):
had over the 993, of coursethere was no masking those.
Of course there was no maskingthose, but the way the 993 was
(59:32):
able to carry speed, carrymomentum meant that it was not
in any way embarrassed by the992 GT3 RS, and ultimately his
view was maybe not surprisinglythat the 993 was just a far more
engaging drive and far moreenjoyable.
What was interesting though andI've heard this from a lot of
different reviews now is he wassaying that the GT3 RS
(59:54):
suspension tune is better forthe road than the 992 GT3.
So a lot of the commentaryyou've heard about the 992 GT3
being simply too stiff.
You would expect the GT3 RSwould be stiffer and even harder
, but seemingly they've managedto dial a level of compliance
(01:00:19):
into that chassis that ismissing from the regular 992 GT3
.
And actually I've heard thatlater model 992 GT3s the
suspension characteristics areslightly different from the
early ones early ones.
(01:00:41):
So the learnings from both thegt3rs and the 911 st have been
applied to have been applied tothe the later model gt3s.
I don't know if that's the casein reality or not.
Maybe some of our listenershave had that experience.
But yeah, that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
That's the rumor I've heard you know, they say never
meet your uh, never meet yourheroes, never drive your dream
cars.
Because I I had a gt3 rs, a 991dot I can't remember what
generation it was, but a 991 um,gt3 rs, uh, for a day, and I
(01:01:13):
couldn't wait to give the keysback is that because it had the
bucket?
around for a day.
Well, yeah, it did have thebuckets and my giant dinosaur
ass was, uh, in pain at the endof the day.
But no, well, maybe that had afactor to do with it.
But man, that suspension wasstiff, it was too loud.
It was just the the alcantarafeel underneath my fingers on
(01:01:36):
the steering wheel.
It was just gross.
I couldn't wait to give thekeys back.
No, thank you.
Just don't want it.
Yeah, just couldn't wait to getrid of it.
Just, it was way too much, justtoo much.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Oh see, I would love to have a go on one of those,
and I think that's as I say, thething that excites me about
this new rs is the fact thatthey've somehow made a car that
looks that looks like it doesn'tbelong on the road, seemingly
be very, very road compliant andand very good on the road.
I I'll never own one.
(01:02:10):
Maybe one day I'll have thechance to drive one I would love
a go I'd love to have a go inone.
I don't imagine I'd come awayfrom it with quite your level of
keenness to throw back the keys.
I feel like I'd enjoy it.
I think I would.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Well, don't get me wrong, the first half an hour to
an hour, I was super excited, Iwas giddy.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Was this at the Porsche Experience Center or was
this on the road?
What were you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
No, this was a mate's car that I was installing Joy
Auto into.
Oh, okay, you know I had it forthe day.
Yeah, I couldn't wait to giveit back, tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
What is it about the feel of Alcantara that you
struggle with?
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It's like nails on a chalkboard, really.
Yeah, it just doesn't.
First of all, it doesn't feelnatural.
Obviously it's a syntheticfiber.
I can't talk this morning MaybeI've got sweaty palms, but you
know, it's just, it's not.
(01:03:11):
It's just not a very workablefabric.
I just it doesn't feel like itshould be a fabric to to touch
like.
I'm fine with it as the roofmaterial.
I even don't mind it too muchas a, as a, as a um, a seat
fabric, even though you kind ofstick to it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Unfortunately you can't slide across it like you
can with leather I think that'sthe point no no, exactly that is
the point, um, but for thesteering wheel, no god, just
gross I'd love to see yourultimate spec like can I have
flat seats, maybe a bench seat?
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
can I have my favorite armchair squished in
there, please?
It would be the homo sims.
See, I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
I don't want to live with an alcantara steering wheel
.
Uh, because it I've.
When I bought my car there wasactually it had an alcantara
wheel in it, which I personallyI love the feel of it, I really
do.
But it's very hard to preventthem from kind of gumming up and
I know there are a lot ofvideos on youtube of how you can
do it and I see that you canrescue them, even if they are
(01:04:24):
pretty badly all gummed up.
But mine reached a point whereI just couldn't bring it back.
So I don't think I would everspec an Alcantara steering wheel
in a car.
But if I drive someone else'scar with an Alcantara steering
wheel in it, I love it.
I actually love that.
It doesn't matter if your palmsare sweaty.
In fact, that's probably whatdestroys the steering wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But it actually looks quite nice.
Well, guys, I think that's itfor another episode of Curb and
Canyon.
Thanks for checking in andsticking with us, andy, thank
you for making fun of my morninghair.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Do you know what I can genuinely say?
It was my pleasure.
I enjoyed this conversation, asI always did, and so glad to
have you all along with us, giveus a follow on Instagram and
obviously check out James atAuto Amateur on Instagram and
YouTube and me, andy, at LastRasp on Instagram and YouTube,
and we will see you in Last Raspon Instagram and YouTube and we
(01:05:19):
will see you in another podreal soon.
Soon Ish.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Thanks guys.
dude, how long has it been?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
andy, it's been a while, mate.
It's been a while.
Should we tell people, though,that it it almost was a lot less
than it has been, but yourstruly, here messed up the
recording last time oh, that'sright's right.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Do you know what I actually forgot about that?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I am still kicking myself, because we were there,
you know, enjoying a good houror so's worth of banter, and
then you volunteered to edit theepisode together and you were
like, yeah, so have you got anymore than like the first 30
minutes worth of audio?
I was like, yeah, so have yougot any more than like the first
30 minutes worth of audio?
I was like what?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What you know and what's funny is, as I was doing
show notes today, I was thinking, ah, damn, we covered all this
stuff already in our last pod.
Oh, that's a shame because itwould be good to talk about, but
we never did so.
It's and I don't want to talktoo much inside baseball about
the pod, but it is.
It's and I don't want to talktoo much inside baseball about
the pod, but it is.
It's very early where you areand to anyone listening at home,
(01:10):
I'm just going to say thisabout my good friend, james
McGrath.
The phrase ahead for radioreally comes to mind right now 5
am and the troll you know thoselittle trolls with the pink
hair that I'm greeted by isquite, quite spectacular.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
The man from the Hound of the Baskervilles.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yes, that's me.
I just want you to startyelling.
I'm not an animal or callingfor a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Ruth, god, yeah, fantastic.
Well, let's talk about porsche.
What's on the agenda today?
Andy?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I did heaps.
I mean, uh, obviously, I wouldsay the entire porsche world has
been awaiting eagerly our viewson the 992.2, so we're going to
get into that.
Uh, some updates on both of ourcars.
I mean, we've not talked aboutthat forever.
Road trips and rallies I don'tknow where you've been, you
(02:12):
don't know where I've been andporsche racing at le mans.
I know you're going to be keento discuss that and you'll do a
deep dive, uh, and then someinteresting porsche stuff in the
news and of course we've gotour good old video of the week.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Welcome to Curb and Canyon.
That was a good welcome.
(02:50):
That was a very just welcome to.
That was awesome.
The best bit was the deep diveon le mans.
I was like, wait, that'shappened.
Yeah, I'll be talking aboutthat in depth yeah, you know I
follow events like that yeah,I'm looking forward to your
report.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's um, I'm sure everyone is.
It's because I'm I'm sure it'llbe laden with um insightful
coverage uh detailed lots offast driving oh yeah, I mean no
doubt, no doubt, james, how haveyou been?
It's been a while.
Huh, it's been a minute.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I it has.
Yeah, it's been.
It's been a while.
Huh, it's been a minute it has.
Yeah, it's been a crazy coupleof months, as ever, but some fun
things have been happening inthe Auto Amateur Garage.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Not the least, I've seen a little change in the Auto
Amateur Garage, uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Uh-huh, yeah, I feel like I've sort of renewed my
commitment to the car and towrenching and to my channel, all
just by making a choice, andthat's to change my lift.
I've got this new awesometwo-post lift in my garage and
it is so good.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
In fact it's so good it's almost a little
intimidating, to be honest withyou well, do you know, because I
watched on socials I saw somefootage of the lift going up and
you know it's serious when itdoes that kind of ticking noise
as it goes up.
You know it's got the safetymechanisms in place.
This is a serious lift, becauseyou had what like a quick jack
(04:21):
before that right no, it was aserious lift, serious lift.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was, let's say, a semi-serious lift.
It was a scissor lift and ithad all the safety features you
know you'd hope for.
Um, it was, uh, it was the, thequick jacks.
You know you put them down, youtake them up when you don't
want to use them.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
This was fixed in place so how high would that
previous lift go?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
could you get under the car?
You could get under the car ifyou were sitting on a stool, but
you couldn't.
You couldn't walk under the car.
It was a mid-rise lift, so Ithink I think the spec said you
got about 40 inches of clearanceright, which is um I don't know
what's that in kangaroo terms.
How many metres is that?
It's like four foot-ish.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And the reason I ask is my friend Fraz shout out.
He has one of those scissorlifts and I was around at his
place.
We actually did just someinspection underneath my car,
just wanted to make sure myshifter mechanism was all
perfect.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And yeah, it's, it's a, it's an interesting height to
operate at, because you can'tstand but you sort of can't sit
and it's, yeah, it's quite it'spretty awkward and I hit my head
I don't know three or fourtimes while I was under there
yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, Ithink, after having that sizzler
for a good three years, maybefour years, I think, in total,
(05:52):
absolute beaut for changingwheels, doing brakes, you know,
taking off the bumpers, maybeair filters, that sort of stuff,
but actually to get fully underthe card, no, not not fantastic
.
Um, I mean, when we did project996 and my mates, um, pat and
steve, um, you know, we droppedthe transmission and that was a
(06:14):
lot of working around, you know,on our backs, on our knees,
well, to be fair, those guyswere doing that and I was
videoing.
But no, right, right, um, butyeah, so this, this, um, you
know the problem with that umsizzle, if they're ultimately
was.
I got my car stuck on top of itseveral times, like it was
(06:37):
fully extended in the air and,um, it happened once with my
Cayenne and it happened twicewith my nine 11 and it got all
the way to the top, clicked inplace and, you know, put the
parking brakes on and it clickedin place.
But when I went to release itto try and bring it down, um,
you could hear theelectromagnets buzzing like they
(06:59):
were trying to lift thebrackets up so that the
hydraulics would bleed, and andit would, it would come down,
but it, it, it didn't happen.
And, uh, it was.
I mean, that's obviously quiteconcerning.
You know, my car stuck up there.
What am I going to do?
How did you resolve?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Uh, that involved my, my good friend Costas uh coming
over and my, my good friendcostas uh coming over and, um,
the two of us basically using acombination of floor jacks and
crowbars to take the weight ofthe car on the lift and jack it
up an extra like half inch sothat we could take the pressure
(07:40):
off one side, so that we couldrelease the safety brake, and
then we we kept the brake openwith a crowbar while we let the
thing slide down.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It sounds super dangerous I was about to say,
that doesn't I mean.
The good thing is that doesn'tsound dangerous at all oh my god
.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I think it's even more dangerous than we, than we
assumed it was.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh man no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, but you know, actually, having scrapped it now
, upon inspection it looked likeone side of the lift had turned
slightly and a twisted.
And if I, yeah, I know, and I,think about a year ago.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
My eyes right now.
Why yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I know, about a year ago I had a hydraulic leak and I
thought I refilled it enoughbut I remember one time Can you
get tablets for that leaking?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sorry, it's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Totally different.
That's your kind of leaking.
I think it's called dipends.
But yeah, when I brought thecar down one time, one side was
coming down faster than theother and so it was slightly off
kilter and I stopped itimmediately and pushed it all
the way back up and then broughtit down and it was fine.
But I think for that moment itwas uneven.
(08:59):
It must have bent something andthat was it.
That was it for that lift forgood.
So it's done with.
And that was it.
That was it for that lift forgood.
So like it's done with.
Not good, not cool.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Is there.
I mean, this represents, likeyou say, a move towards.
Okay, I'm back, I'm wrenching.
What's happening?
What's the first project?
Lift kit on the car end.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Dude, I've had the lift for a week and all I've
done is car goes up, car goesdown, car goes up, car goes down
.
Just like Homer Simpson it'sactually my 911's there.
All of the things are still inplace, all of the struts are
still in place, and I go intothe garage and I'm like, yeah,
let's just lift the car up.
Car goes up, car goes down, cargoes up.
(09:46):
But I can get it almost all theway up to the ceiling and I can
just about well, I can walkunderneath it with, like my head
slightly crooked because I'm atall guy.
Um, but what next?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
okay, well you know I actually want to start with an
acknowledgement.
My buddy PJ, who you know, oneof my driving mates.
I've driven with him for yearsnow he organizes our Tasmania
rally trip.
Really great guy and over thepast I want to say two years
(10:21):
he's embarked on guess, learningrace craft or learning learning
how to drive a car on a circuitand you know he's invested a
lot of time, a lot of energyinto training and coaching and
track days and all of this stuff, ultimately leading to what
(10:45):
happened two weekends ago, whichwas his first race in the
Porsche 944 racing series.
Wow.
So first, actual wheel-to-wheelracing and I think, once you
step out of just doing trackdays and timed events to
actually going wheel-to-wheelracing, I I think that, yeah, I
(11:06):
think that's awesome.
He, he did incredibly well, Ithink.
Um, he started at the back ofthe grid, I think, in the first
race and was, you know, didn'twant to be the new guy rubbing
fenders with other people andand sort of annoying the
establishment.
Um, it's all, it's a complete944, uh, spec series.
So there's, there's no other,no other cars.
(11:27):
But you know, within, withinthat race, he actually made up a
bunch of places and I think inrace two, I think he finished.
I want to say eighth, which youknow for his first time out
what a, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
What?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
an impressive effort, and there's um, there is
actually a, a youtube streamingservice that actually runs these
events live, so you can watchthem.
It's perhaps not quite sky f1level of coverage, but it's it's
still really great and andgiven that the racing was
actually happening interstate,all of us were able to tune in
(12:00):
on the day on youtube and watchthe live stream.
It was.
It was really really great.
So, yeah, p PJ, hats off myfriend.
It's impressive to watch andgood on you for actually taking
that step.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So what has he got to do with his car to sort of keep
it track ready?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
This is a track-only car, so PJ's got a few cars.
In fact I can't keep track ofwhat cars he has.
He has a, I think he's got a996 cup car and so most of his
track work, I think, has been inthat car.
And so this 944, it's a trackcar only I don't think it's able
(12:44):
to be road registered, I don'tthink it's road legal.
But there was obviously quitean adjustment to going from, you
know, a rear engine platformthat is, the 911, which he spent
most of his time in and sometime in mid-engine Caymans to
front-engine transaxle 944.
(13:07):
So I think that's taken someadjustment based on what he's
said to me and said to our groupmore broadly.
But you know, and the car wasprepped by our good mate Daz,
who drives with us.
He runs a shop called AutoCoupe here in Melbourne, one of
the best independent Porscheshops here in Melbourne, and he
(13:29):
did the prep work on it.
And actually PJ's car looksamazing because it looks a
little bit like Cole Trickle'scar in Days of Thunder.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
So good has he got himself an absolutely precious
sponsor Something ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, yeah, I think he may or may not have tweaked
the auto coupe logo to look likethe Mellow Yellow logo.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh, so good so tell me, would you?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I mean, I already know the answer to this, given
your lack of interest inPorsche's motorsport in general
Is track days.
I know you wouldn't want torace, but have you done track
days?
Is track day something you wantto do?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
no, actually in, in theory, track days is absolutely
something I would want to doand I'm like a really
competitive person.
So yeah, like racing I'd bereally interested in doing as
well.
But I'd only want to do it if Icould do it properly and I
could do it consistently.
Like the idea of a one-offtrack day just really doesn't
(14:34):
interest me.
I, I want to, I want to knowthat I can do it on a regular
basis and I, I know that I don'thave, or at least at the moment
I know that I don't have timeto do it.
But yeah, the whole idea andalso I think if I wanted to do
it, I'd want a dedicated trackcar.
I wouldn't want to use my daily, or at least my day-to-day 911
(14:59):
on the track which a lot of myfriends do Partly just for the
arse factor.
I couldn't be arsed changingover you know the brakes and the
wheels all the time and youknow, I think my track car I'd
happily have you know crap allover it and have it dirty and
wouldn't care about keeping itpristine, like my daily.
So in theory, absolutely, I'dabsolutely love to do it.
(15:22):
But I'm a bit of an all ornothing guy and if I can't do it
as much all as I want to, thenit's just going to be a pipe
dream and I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do you know what I get?
That too, and I think what'sinteresting with track days is I
kind of feel like if you do itconsistently, it almost feels
like well, then you have to takethe next step and start racing
and actually go wheel to wheel,and then that's a whole
different level of commitment initself, both in terms of, you
(15:53):
know, obviously, the dangerelement, but also the time
that's involved and thefinancial investment.
I'm a bit the same as you.
I've done a couple of trackdays both, both in the 964, and
I've really enjoyed them.
But because they've been spacedso far apart the first like
maybe two sessions I'm reallyslow, really just you know, like
(16:19):
a newborn foal out there, justkind of wobbling around and it
takes me a, takes me a good longwhile to work out that for a
track to make sense you actuallyhave to drive fast.
And yeah, and and you know I'llgo out in the first session and
you're pulling out of the pitsand a gt3 comes hammering past
(16:40):
250 kilometers an hour and youjust think, oh shit, it's.
It feels like, you know, whenyou're a kid and you go roller
skating for the first time andyou go out on the rink and you
just feel like everyone else cando it, but you can't yeah, yeah
, yeah by the end of the day Ialways feel good, but yeah, I
haven't done one now since gosh21.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Maybe a good few years yeah, yeah, you know, I
think in some ways, if I canequate it to golf, is that a
really lame thing to do.
But I imagine the amount ofportia people out there that
play golf is probably quitesignificant.
I don't know why is there ahigh correlation between golf
playing and portia ownership?
um, when I, when I was a kid, uh, my brother was massively into
(17:24):
golf and so, kind of by default,I was into golf and I had the
opportunity to play everyweekend and I had the
opportunity to play once ortwice during the week and I I
did that, loved it, got into it,and so, because I had the
opportunity to spend quite a bitof time doing it, I threw
myself into it, got pretty good,um, and got my handicap down
(17:45):
and absolutely loved it.
But now here living in thestates, I bought myself a bag of
clubs and in 10 years I thinkI've been to the driving range
once and every.
Now and again, when somebody islike, hey, you want to go to
the driving range, I'm like notreally, to be honest, um,
because I know that it'll belike a one-off thing yeah um,
(18:07):
even the odd chance to go to ayou know, go and play a round of
golf.
I know that it's going to be aone-off thing and no, I want to.
That's probably a hugecharacter defect here I'm
exposing in myself, but I knowthat it's.
I don't have time for it in myregular, like scheduled life and
(18:28):
therefore why do it just once?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
yeah yeah, I mean, it's funny if I think about
motorsport.
I think the kind of motorsportthat would appeal more to me
would be like tarmac rally, um,but because that's more akin to
the sort of driving I do on theweekends.
But first of all, I don't thinkI have anywhere near the talent
for that, nor the just.
(18:53):
I want to say bravery, but it'ssort of bravery mixed with
seemingly a lack ofself-preservation that those
guys have, and I think thedanger element is just so dialed
up in that form of motorsport,because you don't have runoff,
you don't have kitty litter, youhave trees that don't move when
(19:16):
you hit them.
So anyway, I think, the bottomline is I don't ever see myself
participating in any form ofmotorsport, as much as I enjoy
watching it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't ever see myself participating in any form
of motorsport, as much as Ienjoy watching it.
Also, let's face it, the onetime I did really try and commit
to go tracking with my friends,I bought the helmet.
It didn't fit.
When I did find the helmet,when I did find a helmet that
even partially fit, I couldn'tget my big, massive head with
that helmet inside the 911.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
See, I did the opposite.
I don't know why, but I boughtthis like, I guess, the kind of
helmet that someone who rides acafe racer motorbike would wear.
So it was just this open face,no visor, I remember.
Open face, no visor, I'm sure ona guy with like high cheekbones
and great bone structure, itwould have looked cool and
(20:10):
that's how I imagined it looked.
And then I saw actually how itlooked on me and it just I just
looked like a human ping pongball.
I could not have looked moreridiculous.
I was just all cheeks and chin.
And this is this pissy littlehelmet.
It was the worst thing ever.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Good, I remember, yeah, I remember.
Yeah.
I'm not gonna say yeah, butyeah, not good luck.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
All right, shall we talk about the 992.2?
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I was gonna say speaking about not good looks,
I've, you know, yeah, let's talkabout the 992.2.
I was going to say speakingabout not good looks, you know.
Yeah, let's talk about the 992.
Should we be surprised, orshould I be surprised, that what
I've heard so far is a lot ofcriticism and a lot of naysaying
from people around me and thepress that I've read online?
(21:02):
I'm actually kind of excitedabout it.
I mean, why not, sure, let ofexcited about it.
I mean, why not, sure, let'stalk about it.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
So let's maybe start with broad brush, just
impressions of it.
I think it looks the stylingI'm really happy with.
I think you know each time theydo the second-gen version of
one of their cars 991.2, forexample, this car I feel like
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having had the opportunity tolive with the industrial design
that finds itself into thatfirst series for a couple of
years.
They're really able to thenrefine it.
So I think from a designperspective I really like the
look of it.
I don't like one of the gts'sthat I saw uh, maybe it was in a
cars with luke video actuallyhas this big like dome thing in
(21:54):
the in the front grill which Ithink has something to do with
like gets a camera or something.
That thing looks weird.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's a.
It's a double dome from what Iunderstand.
Yeah, that's right, double dome.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Spec.
Without that it looks heinous.
But other than that my overallimpression just broadly is I
really like the look of it.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And does that extend to the sort of the fins on the
left and right of the frontbumper?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, I like like them, like active.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I'm, I'm about that yeah, you see that that's
the one part of the design I'mnot so sure about, to be honest.
But but overall, and maybe thisis just because I don't know
the 992 well enough, it justbasically looks the same with
new fins.
To me, I, there's nothingrevolutionary there, well, and
(22:50):
okay, fair enough, that's.
I fell into the trap, isn't,haven't I?
There's nothing revolutionary,really, generation to generation
about the 911.
That's the whole point, that'sright, it's just.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
But also, yeah, and when you're talking about the
second iteration of the samegeneration, then it's absolutely
an evolution rather thanrevolution argument, right?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yeah, but like you know, the profile to me
basically looks virtuallyidentical to the Dot 1.
The rear essentially looks likethe Dot 1.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
From a styling point of view, it's really just the
fins and the cameras at thefront, but see, they fixed that
rear bumper though, because youknow how, where the license
plate recess on the basicCarrera used to be really low,
they've lifted that up and Ithink that looks less awkward.
(23:48):
And I also think the wholeintake across the front of the
car, which had this sort ofshark's mouth slight awkwardness
to it which, to be honest, inthat first gen I don't think was
resolved with.
You know you could get thesport design package on the
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exterior right and it had thekind of angular intakes.
I actually thought that was alittle bit clumsy too, because
you had the outer edges of thoseintakes were vertical.
Then with the angular sort ofcenterpieces of them, it didn't
quite work.
It looked as though they triedto channel the shape of the
(24:29):
intakes from the 991.2 GT3, butjust hadn't quite nailed that.
I feel like this is a moreresolved front end.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough.
Okay, I can buy that, but Ithink the interior is where some
of the most notable changes are.
No manual, right?
Not so far, there's no manual.
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Thank God, we've still got the Braun shifter
though.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But we've got an eight-speed PDK.
Fantastic, you know I love pdk,but but no manual.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I I'm I'm pretty sure that's going to change when the
gt3 comes out oh, I've no doubtI, I I don't know if this is a
silly question, but because Idon't understand the the
technology behind it.
But so the gts is the only uhvariant that has the this t
hybrid technology.
Does that, does that hybridtechnology, allow for a manual
(25:34):
gearbox, or or does that in someway prevent, prevent the car
from being able to have a manual?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
good one.
I I've heard that it preventsit from having a manual, but
then does that mean?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
don't you love that detailed analysis, the technical
expertise I've heard?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
but then does that mean?
Does that mean, well, the gt3might just come with a regular
engine then?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
well, so the it's quite possible because the,
because they've dropped there's,there's seven variants in one
hit right.
So they've done the carrera,the carrera cab, the gts, the
gts cab, gts4, gts4 cab and gts4targa.
So no carrera s yet, which isreally odd that the gts doesn't
(26:22):
usually come out until after.
It's usually Carrera andCarrera S right, and maybe
Carrera 4S.
So it seems odd that the GTShas come so quickly and it's got
the hybrid.
So does the S.
Does it not have a hybrid?
Is there not going to be an S?
Yeah, yeah, it's going to beinteresting to see how it
(26:46):
develops.
Right, once that S comes out,once the Turbo comes out, once
the GT3 comes out, how are thecards all going to fall?
There's got to be a manual inthere somewhere.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
And the hybrid just comes with the 3.6 litre flat
six that's in the GTS.
The hybrid isn't coming withthe standard Carrera, correct,
right, right.
So you've got to go for the gtsif you want that hybrid
experience.
Yeah, but then it also, fromwhat I understand that, you know
, the minute I think of hybrid,I think of my wife's highlander,
(27:20):
and that driving experience isso bad, it's so bad.
You know, it's such a bad carto drive in so many ways, but
the hybrid component is justspooling the turbochargers
(27:42):
faster, right, so the engine isstill operating like a
combustion engine, but theturbos are being sort of
pre-spooled so that they come onfaster well, yeah, I think
that's what I, that's what Iunderstand no, that's right,
it's so.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So you'll never just take off in battery hybrid mode,
you know, and and it'sobviously not a plug-in hybrid
but yeah, the hybrid acts to um,I don't know whether it's
pre-spooling the turbos orwhether it's how should I say?
It kind of comes in tointroduce the torque and
(28:15):
horsepower in that moment beforethe turbos have spooled up, so
that you don't get any of thatlag that the hybrid does the
early lifting before the turboscome in, the early lifting
before the turbos come in.
And I've In fact my new dailyhas that exact or a form of that
technology and it's seamless.
(28:36):
You don't notice it, I don'tthink you notice it.
So I don't think it's going tobe like the Toyota Highlander
experience.
There's a lot to suggest.
The new 911 will not drive likeyour wife's island, with the
greatest respect to ruthie'sdaily let's, let's hope, not um.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And then the other thing uh, people are up in arms
about is that there's no moreanalog tack face.
It's no more analog, it'scompletely electronic in the
middle, which I am.
I personally am sad to see go.
But like does this?
Is this a weird way of lookingat it?
If you want an analog TacFace,just buy a 911 with an analog
(29:19):
TacFace, just don't buy the newPorsche.
Is that just too obvious?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
No, it may surprise you to hear me say this, but I
kind of don't care.
You know, my view is the 911constantly evolves.
It should be a performance andtechnological tour de force.
And, yes, I love the analogthrowback to a time past, to a
(29:49):
car like my 964.
But it's not.
It's 2024.
There is so much technology inthe car I don't think it's
necessary to have an analog techface.
Like I say, I'm not sure that'sa view that many would agree
with, but I think the way youjust put it is spot on a view
that many would agree with, butI think the way you just put it
(30:09):
is spot on.
If, if yeah, I think if youwant that experience, it doesn't
make for an analog drivingexperience.
The car is anything but that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So yeah, if you want that, buy a 993 or a 996 yeah or
a g body yeah, well, or or justa 991 you know, yeah, yeah%.
If you can afford a 992.2, youcan afford to go and buy
yourself a 991 Carrera just toput it in your garage to say
(30:38):
you've got an analog.
Tack face.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, and so think about that right, like who's the
main customer for Porscheselling 911s?
I don't think it's hardcoreenthusiasts who would see or who
would feel a level ofdisappointment that the analog
(31:01):
tack was gone.
In fact, if anything, I thinkthe average Porsche buyer would
probably look at that throwbackand and and almost see it as a
as a negative that oh hey, I cango buy a new r8 and they've got
a complete virtual cockpit, ora new mercedes has a complete
yeah yeah and porsche have gotthis stupid old bloody taco in
(31:23):
the middle of the screen.
What the heck?
Yeah, yeah, fair enough, fairenough I don't know they fixed
the um, those uh outer gaugeswhich you couldn't see through
the, through the steering wheelon the first gen which everyone
seemed to get frustrated aboutand I always kind of laugh at
because I think man drive a 964,you can't see anything you know
(31:44):
, actually that that is true.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
The when I have driven the 992, um I have I have
wondered or at least I have Ican't talk this morning, it's
way too early um, I've, I'vewondered if this stuff in the
instrument cluster that I shouldbe caring about, looking about
that I can't see because thesteering wheel and my hands are
(32:07):
in the way, yeah, and so thathas worried me a little bit.
Um, but yeah, on the analogthing, the last piece of analog
technology in the cockpit seemsto be the clock if you get the
sports that still has an analoguh hand, um.
And then the last thing on theexterior that struck out to me,
um, or stood out to me, I think,is by default, it's now just a
(32:30):
pure two-seater sports car youhave to option in the rear seats
.
I think that's pretty cool atlong last yeah, it's interesting
, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
because obviously the rear seats are a no-cost option
.
Um, I'd be.
I'll be very interested to seehow they're specced right,
because I have an ongoingconversation with a couple of
friends of mine that the 991.2Carrera T.
It's very rare that you see onewith what we would deem to be
(32:59):
quote-unquote correct spec.
So so often you see thoseCarrera Ts and their PDK with
glass sunroof full leather andrear seats and so all of the
things that make the T the Thave been stripped or kind of
changed back to basicallyCarrera S style specification.
(33:22):
So I wonder how many people aregoing to spec a 911 with no
rear seats, regardless of howuseless those rear seats are.
I think there's always a waythat one can reconcile the fact
that they're buying a ridiculoussports car by saying, yeah, but
if I need to, I can put thekids in the back.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, well, maybe, yeah, I guess.
So, yeah, yeah, I've used thatwith Ruthie once or twice.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I think time will tell.
Right Time will tell.
I think you'll see most of themwith seats.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, I imagine there'll be a lot of people
optioning them back in.
But I think if I was backing it, I would just happily not have
them in the back.
I agree.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay.
So one thing that I've seen alot of people up in arms about
is we now have a start-stopbutton.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh, yes, I've got to say that I am disappointed about
that.
You know, take the tag face.
You know, take the rear seats,but come on.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I must be less of a traditionalist or anorak than I
thought I was.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You don't care I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Every other performance car has a start-stop
button.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
At least give the buyer the option.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
You can't do that, why not?
The tooling would be completelydifferent.
And again, I think it'sprobably because it's not for
the enthusiast right.
A new 911 kind of isn't for theenthusiast, it's for the person
just getting into the brand whodoesn't know the whole key on
the left, all that stuff, youknow.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Dude, that itches my crack.
I mean, that's the one thingthose you know porsche guys up
there in stuttgart should havereally thought twice about.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I mean good, I'm glad we went there I you don't talk
a little more about your crack?
It's itchy, especially thistime in the morning.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
All right, let's switch on.
So let's talk about Le Mans andget that out of the way,
because I obviously have got noclue what's going on there.
So go on.
Then it happened, it was fast,someone won Great.
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean, look, I watched a lot of it on the
stream over the weekend.
A lot of my friends did.
It was very exciting becausethe Porsche 963 hypercar
actually achieved pole positionin the very capable hands of
Kevin Est, who's just an insanebeast of a driver, but finished
(36:01):
just off the podium in fourthplace.
And in fact I read today thatPorsche has actually come out
and claimed that rivals weresandbagging in the early
sessions.
I don't know how or why thatmatters at the end of the day.
My understanding is that theyhad some issues with
acceleration and top speed inone of the stints.
(36:24):
But you know, fourth is not bad.
Bad, but I guess just off thepodium, which is sad.
But the team obviously did a anamazing job.
But porsche did win in the lmgt3 class with the mantai racing
ema 911 gt3r driven by richardleitz who, if you if you've
watched the um road to le mansseries with michael fassb, he
(36:48):
features very heavily and thatseems to just be an amazing
driver Morris Turing and YasserShaheen.
So they actually won the LMGT3class.
So that's pretty damn cool andit was good to watch.
I love watching it.
I think it's the pinnacle ofmotorsport 24 hours making these
(37:09):
cars.
It used to be that you had tobe so careful not to break the
car, and that's why one of thereasons Porsche racked up so
much, so many wins over theyears.
Now it just seems like it'sflat out for the entire 24 hours
, except in this instance wherewe had four hours of safety car.
But pretty amazing racing.
I would encourage you, I wouldencourage you, to get around it
(37:32):
next time.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Do you mean you the listeners, or you me?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, I believe our listeners are not quite the
Philistines that you are.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
A lot of them probably watched that already.
Well, do you know what it is?
Yeah, you see, that rings abell now.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well, it's like sport , you know, usually you don't
get to barrack for Porsche.
Do you know what I mean?
They're not in F1.
And you know.
So, yeah, we all have ourfootball team or our hockey team
or our basketball team that wefollow, but it's really cool to
be cheering for Porscheorsche ina in a in a sporting setting.
(38:10):
So I love that.
I love the frustration ofseeing them make mistakes and I
love the the elation of seeingthem, seeing them win um yeah
you know, all right, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
And this, this conversation is ringing a bell
because I do remember at somepoint sometime this year you've
sent me a text message aboutPorsche being in pole position,
and now it's all falling intoplace.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So the next world endurance championship race
that's on.
I don't know what the next oneis.
Maybe it's like Nürburgring orspa or something.
I'm going to get you to do areport on it oh, my goodness,
let's, let's, let's not.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know, subject people to that no, I want to see
it.
I want, I want to hear a reportfrom you so, um well, look,
talking about go on what, what'snext?
Because I I actually had one tothrow in, considering I haven't
read.
Read your show notes for theday, which didn't arrive in my
inbox, by the way.
Just want you to know.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yes, they did.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
They did not.
I don't have show notes today,andy, but let me throw one at
you, speaking of cheering forPortia in the battleground of
Portia versus Singer and this isan article that you sent me
recently, by the way, which wewere going to talk about at some
point in a previous pod.
That never happened Portiasuing Singer.
(39:38):
Have you heard about?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
this.
Hasn't this all been resolved?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't know, you tell me.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
What other old news are we going to talk?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
about.
All right, then Go on then.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
The launch of the 997?
.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I, we're going to talk.
Oh, all, right, then go on then.
The launch of the 997 I thoughtthis had been resolved.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, I, I'm surprised porsche haven't sued singer
faster and earlier than this.
By the way, look, I'llcertainly say this uh,
regardless of of what theoutcome was, oh yeah, porsche
drops legal challenge againstSinger because I know that the I
don't know whatever came ofSinger's rally car that they
built with Tuthill, which waslaunched to quite some fanfare
(40:21):
back in I want to say 20 or 21,suddenly just vanished, and
apparently that was something todo with um porsche having an
issue with it.
I know that porsche is notbackwards in coming forwards
when it comes to protectingtheir ip and sometimes I think
they do that to the detriment oftheir brand.
(40:44):
I know they've done it withcontent creators.
I know that an extremelywell-known content creator had
to change the name of his entireconcept because Porsche made
him.
And you know, to me I sort ofthink, well, if somebody's maybe
(41:05):
you can argue somebody'sprofiting from creating a link
with a brand that they own.
But on the flip side, I thinkone of the things Portia needs
to be a little bit careful of isthat I don't think they can
control the entire culturearound their brand.
The brand is too wide-reaching.
(41:27):
It has myriad differentaudiences within the brand in
terms of the level of think theycan hope to appeal to or
communicate with all of them.
(41:51):
And I think Porsche's approachto advertising and brand
messaging and the like, I findit typically a bit overwrought
and heavy handed, whereas I lookat what, you know, people like
Pat Long and Jeff Swart havebeen able to do with Luftkakut
and what that interpretation ofthe Porsche brand looks like.
(42:13):
That's something I connect withway more than what Porsche does
themselves.
So I think they need to becareful with the way they go
after brands that like Singer.
That I think, ultimately,whether you are a fan of
Singer's work or not.
Ultimately, I think Singer arejust helping to continue the
(42:37):
Porsche legacy.
I think you've got to becareful in Porsche about how
hard you go after brands likethat.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, I think so too.
First off, I didn't realizethere was any kind of
relationship between Singer andPorsche, which the article that
you sent me sort of called outthat there is.
There is actually a memorandumof understanding between Singer
and Porsche and Porsche believedthat with the DLS Turbo they'd
(43:05):
actually broken that and goneway too far.
I mean, have you seen what thatcar looks like?
I mean, it looks more like asupercar hypercar than a 964
convert or a modded 964.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
It's got that massive Jetsons kind of whale tail on
the back.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
I mean, I would happily have one.
It looks pretty awesome.
But I guess, if, if, if theagreement with porsche was you
know, we're gonna, we're gonnamod the 964s and we're gonna put
our unique stamp on them andthey all sort of look like the
ones that we've been producingfor the last however many years.
You know, you'd kind of be fine.
And then porsche see this, I, Icould see them spitting up
(43:47):
their bratwurst with theirmorning coffee and being like
what the fuck are they doing now?
Um, so I can see that side ofthe argument, but at the same
time, you know what you werejust saying.
I think there is so much thatbenefits Porsche from having a
shop like this.
Just put their stamp on thesecars that are no longer in
(44:12):
production, that you know are nolonger competing with the cars
that are coming off theproduction line.
It's sensational.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that's a really important
distinction to make.
That in most instances well, infact I think in all instances a
Singer DLS isn't competing witha brand new 911.
The buyer of that car, if youhave the money for that, chances
are you've probably just boughtyourself a GT3 RS as well.
(44:42):
Anyway, right, it's not likefor like, so I don't think
they're competing propositions.
I think where Porsche felt thatSinger had gone too far was
actually in the use of thetrademarks and the brand, which
there's, as you say,historically been an
understanding between the two ofthem.
(45:02):
But anyway, look, in AprilPorsche dropped it.
So I don't know quite how thatwas resolved, but thankfully it
has been.
Very good yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Very good.
Well, I hope Singer continue topump out whatever they're
pumping out for those 964s.
I love them.
Every time I see one at a carshow it kind of feels, you know,
like you've come to a specialevent.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I love them too, but I'm sort of sick of 964s being
backdated.
To be honest, I really lovewhat Workshop 5001 in LA are
doing, where they take these964s, do incredible builds,
incredible engine work, butretain the integrity of the 964
(45:48):
shape, which I happen to thinkis one of the most beautiful 911
shapes there is.
Obviously I'm biased, but yeah,I would rather say to Singer
hey, build me a Singer, but justkeep it looking like a 964.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, yeah, hey.
By the way, so your 964, Ithink you slipped in some news
about a segment ago which wehaven't talked about.
Did you say you've got a newdaily?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I do have a new daily .
It's kind of exciting to me me,but probably not so exciting to
our audience is it a beigevolvo?
uh, no, it's not.
It is a black bmw m340i whichis oh, look, it's a little bit
of a wolf in sheep's clothing.
(46:35):
It's a couple years old, 2021model.
Uh, it's a what is it?
Three liter, turbo, inline six.
It's very rapid, it's superfast, but it's also really quiet
, really comfortable, reallyrefined.
Um, to be honest, I've only hadit a week and I'm loving driving
(46:57):
it, just loving it.
It's the best place to be everyday, but I'm actually really
looking forward to taking it insome twisties, because it goes.
It's got a jekyll and hydepersonality.
It's very quiet and refined,but then you put it in sport
mode and then the shifts arejust violent.
Uh, it's stiff.
It's got adaptive damping, soeverything stiffens up and it's
(47:18):
uh, yeah, it's.
I think it's going to be a hellof a lot of fun and, in fact,
my son Ryder and I are planninga night away, a bit of a rally
that we do every so often, and Isaid to him tonight I said,
okay, which car do we take?
And he was like oh, I don'tknow.
What do you want to take?
And I said I don't know.
(47:38):
And he was like oh, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
What do you want to take?
And I said I don't know.
So can we talk about the factthat you're betraying the brand
that we hold so dearly close toour hearts?
And podcast about Well, lookwhat's that about.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I've kept it German, and you know, the daily that I'm
selling was Murican.
It was a Jeep Grand CherokeeSRT with a V8 Hemi, which I've
had now for eight years.
So I figure, hey, if I've gonefrom an American SUV to a German
sedan, that's heading in theright direction at least.
(48:17):
Yeah, you keep telling yourselfthat, yeah, yeah look, hey, do
you know what if I, if I, if I,if I could have afforded to, I
would have done what I did?
Uh, through four years ago, Iwould have loved to have daily
to 991 that.
That that's sort of the dream.
And I, you know, I tried to dothat a couple years ago.
(48:37):
It wasn't the right time.
I'm actually at a point in mylife where it would have been
the right time, but just not theright time financially, you
know, the market's still still abit hot.
So, uh, yeah, I'm.
Do you know what I make?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
no apologies, I'm, I'm really happy with this car
you completely faked me outbecause you told me about the
daily and then you sent me aphoto of a 992.
And I was like what?
Really no way.
Come on, I did Cheeky bastard.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Hey, actually, speaking of photos, I just want
to circle back to Le Mans for asecond.
I saw a thing on social mediatoday that a couple of my mates
all shared around.
There was a photo of theporsche 963 hypercar so one of
the penske motorsport cars thatcompeted at le mans on a trailer
(49:28):
being towed by like avolkswagen jetta or something
like just on a highway somewherein france.
I'm like that cannot be real,surely that cannot be real.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
That can't be true.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
No, I know, but it's just it was yeah, it's quite
something.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Oh, that's a German helping out a fellow German.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Maybe, maybe.
So hey, obviously, since lastwe spoke, you've gone from.
Well, there's some yellowstripes for just a minute.
What happened?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
You know well.
So I've been, you know,tinkering with my car, like I
usually do.
I've gone for the yellow brakecalipers and the yellow sports
chrono clock face on theinterior.
I just, you know quite fancystripes.
I think I've put stripes onmost of my cars now.
They just didn't work out.
They just, they know quitefancy stripes.
I think I've put stripes onmost of my cars now.
(50:21):
They just didn't work out.
They just they didn't work out.
And they didn't work outbecause they unfortunately
weren't quite straight.
Oh, are you serious?
Yeah, yeah, to my untrained eyethey looked fantastic.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I've got four words for you.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
We're not robots, mate I did think about that
scenario actually when I pickedit up, because the guy who
installed him poor guy, I won'tname and shame him um, he
installed the first set and Ididn't realize they were the
wrong color.
(50:58):
So, to be fair, I gave him aset of stripes that were a
slightly different yellow thanthe yellow that was in the door
decals that he'd alreadyinstalled for me.
But he didn't notice that thecolor that he was installing
across the roof were differentto the color on the door.
So we didn't figure that outuntil they were already
(51:21):
installed.
So we got, we took them off.
Um, I had to order replacementset from the guy that you know I
bought the stripes from.
So the correct color came.
He installed them, I pickedthem up.
I thought it looked epic.
I loved how they looked.
A few weeks later I'm at carsand Coffee with my friends and
(51:42):
they all start to notice thatthe stripes on the hood aren't
straight.
I'm like what are you talkingabout?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Are you kidding me?
It's like having a piece ofbezel stuck in your teeth and
you just can't get it out.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Oh, mate, it was pretty embarrassing.
So there was that, and thenalso the stripes on the roof was
starting to bubble, um, whichis not good.
Um, one of them started to peelback already.
So right there at cars andcoffee, we decided to actually
just stand there and peel themall off and we did, oh you, oh,
(52:16):
you did it at Cars and Coffee.
Uh-huh yeah, we just stoodthere and peeled them all off,
chucked them in the bin.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Did you end up with this like layer of dust just
where the stripes had been, likeit kind of stuck to the sticky
bit?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
No, well, yes, for a second you could see the shadow
of the stripes.
But the good thing is thatbefore the stripes were
installed, um and this is alsoprobably the reason why they
weren't straight um, I had amodesta ceramic coating put on,
yeah, and so getting rid of thethe ghost image of the stripes
(52:53):
was super easy.
I just, you know, got somespray and buffed it off.
But I think that's the reasonwhy the stripes weren't straight
, because I swear to God, and Idon't, unfortunately, have a
photo directly in front of thecar with the stripes on.
All the photos I've got are ofthe slight angles, so I can't
quite prove this, but I think,when I picked the car up, the
(53:16):
stripes were straight.
I think, when I picked the carup, the stripes were straight,
and I think a combination ofheat and wind from driving has,
and the fact that the stripeswere installed on top of the
ceramic coats, has meant thatthe stripes have shifted
slightly and have moved, okay,so I don't know if that's
possible.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
You know I love you right, and I know it's early.
That is the dumbest thing I'veever heard.
There is no way that hashappened.
You don't think so?
No, look, ceramic coating isgreat, but what Just?
And it moves.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
All right, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Do you know, when we did Tasmania last year we had
these like old school rallydecals and they were quite big
and this really super heavy,thick, sticky stuff and we're
all actually pretty nervousabout putting them on our cars
(54:20):
and to the point where a coupleof the guys uh, like my pal
rocco put, he put his on hisrear windscreen.
He's like I just don't want toput it on the paint and because
also he had like a ppf on hiscar and he was worried it was
going to lift off the ppf.
And I remember after the rallyI was meeting kath and we were
going to spend a few extra daysdriving around Tasmania and I
(54:43):
went to a car wash and waswashing the car and I thought I
need to peel it off.
I need to know my car's okayunderneath it.
And I was peeling it off justthinking I could just picture
all the clear coat coming withit.
But it didn't.
Thankfully it was all okay.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Well, I was worried about that, as we were stood
there at carson coffee justpulling it off.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
But just getting into it with razor blades.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Well, you know, um, having pulled off decals before,
these ones were coming offsurprisingly easy and and what's
?
Probably because of you, yeah,it was probably because of the
coating.
But yeah, so we, we realized,we my friend Steve, realized it
wasn't straight, because as youlooked at the two stripes going
up the bonnet, the hood, theystarted perfectly, even either
(55:32):
side of the Porsche crest, butthey didn't end up perfectly
aligned with the sports chronohousing and the mirror in the
window.
They actually kind of tailedoff to the left.
So, yeah, the stripes came off.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
So is that the only work that the car's seen over
the last little bit, like somestripes on, stripes off, stripes
off uh, yeah, yeah, pretty much, um, but but I I do have a tune
that's going to go on and it'scoming on.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
I can tell you when are we lowering it a high degree
of certainty?
When are we loving it?
We're not lowering it.
Um, we might.
But look, I finally got myselfa windows tablet here so that I
can actually, um, you know,install the tune, which has been
the reason why I haven't doneit yet.
Um, but you know, I've spentthe past couple of uh wrenching
sessions working on my cayenne.
(56:28):
Um, I've, uh, I've been doingthe brakes on the cayenne.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, I know sorry, okay, tell me more, I'll tell
you about my jeep oh god, hey,speaking of jeeps, I had a um.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
So I live in the suburbs of of minneapolis and
it's very suburban, you know,very, very kind of suburban.
So the other morning, on theway to cars and coffee, I was
driving with my son, adam, um,pulled up at the lights, next to
me was an srt, uh jeep cherokeeand uh, grand cherokee, and uh,
(57:05):
driving it was a 50s or 40ssomething soccer mom with her
kids in the back seat and um,she pulled the window down and
she was like you know, revenue,wanting to, to go.
So I was like, all right,sports mode, let's go.
(57:27):
And uh, I'm.
I'm happy to say that the nine11 outperformed the Jeep SRT uh,
three stoplights in a row, itwasn't even close.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Oh really, cause, cause, cause.
One thing I will say about thatcar it's quick off the line,
like I had I the launch control.
I think the best time I had waslike 4.3 to 100 to 62 okay,
pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Okay.
Well, it didn't sound like shewas doing launch control, but
she was definitely flooring itand giving it gas.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
Oh, good on her.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yeah, she was loving it.
She even had a golf visor on aswell.
Bit of Saturday morningexcitement for her.
Oh, that's gold.
Very good, that's gold.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
So did you really not get the show notes?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
Oh, promise to God, nope, didn't get the show notes.
What's the video of the week?
The show notes.
I promised god, nope, didn'tget the show notes.
What's the video?
Speaker 1 (58:21):
of the week?
I haven't seen it.
What is it all right?
Well, so the video of the week,uh is, I think, one one of the
one of the great motoringjournos, steve suck cliff, and
he is comparing I really enjoyedthis video the 992 gt3 rs to
the 993 carrera rs.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Now wait a minute the , not the nine night, wait the
what?
Speaker 1 (58:46):
the, the current gt3 rs to the 993 rs carrera rs oh,
so two two cars separated by along time and, but it was a
really interesting and, I think,very fair and balanced
comparison.
The obvious performanceadvantages that the 992 GT3 RS
(59:12):
had over the 993, of coursethere was no masking those.
Of course there was no maskingthose, but the way the 993 was
(59:32):
able to carry speed, carrymomentum meant that it was not
in any way embarrassed by the992 GT3 RS, and ultimately his
view was maybe not surprisinglythat the 993 was just a far more
engaging drive and far moreenjoyable.
What was interesting though andI've heard this from a lot of
different reviews now is he wassaying that the GT3 RS
(59:54):
suspension tune is better forthe road than the 992 GT3.
So a lot of the commentaryyou've heard about the 992 GT3
being simply too stiff.
You would expect the GT3 RSwould be stiffer and even harder
, but seemingly they've managedto dial a level of compliance
(01:00:19):
into that chassis that ismissing from the regular 992 GT3
.
And actually I've heard thatlater model 992 GT3s the
suspension characteristics areslightly different from the
early ones early ones.
(01:00:41):
So the learnings from both thegt3rs and the 911 st have been
applied to have been applied tothe the later model gt3s.
I don't know if that's the casein reality or not.
Maybe some of our listenershave had that experience.
But yeah, that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
That's the rumor I've heard you know, they say never
meet your uh, never meet yourheroes, never drive your dream
cars.
Because I I had a gt3 rs, a 991dot I can't remember what
generation it was, but a 991 um,gt3 rs, uh, for a day, and I
(01:01:13):
couldn't wait to give the keysback is that because it had the
bucket?
around for a day.
Well, yeah, it did have thebuckets and my giant dinosaur
ass was, uh, in pain at the endof the day.
But no, well, maybe that had afactor to do with it.
But man, that suspension wasstiff, it was too loud.
It was just the the alcantarafeel underneath my fingers on
(01:01:36):
the steering wheel.
It was just gross.
I couldn't wait to give thekeys back.
No, thank you.
Just don't want it.
Yeah, just couldn't wait to getrid of it.
Just, it was way too much, justtoo much.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Oh see, I would love to have a go on one of those,
and I think that's as I say, thething that excites me about
this new rs is the fact thatthey've somehow made a car that
looks that looks like it doesn'tbelong on the road, seemingly
be very, very road compliant andand very good on the road.
I I'll never own one.
(01:02:10):
Maybe one day I'll have thechance to drive one I would love
a go I'd love to have a go inone.
I don't imagine I'd come awayfrom it with quite your level of
keenness to throw back the keys.
I feel like I'd enjoy it.
I think I would.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Well, don't get me wrong, the first half an hour to
an hour, I was super excited, Iwas giddy.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Was this at the Porsche Experience Center or was
this on the road?
What were you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
No, this was a mate's car that I was installing Joy
Auto into.
Oh, okay, you know I had it forthe day.
Yeah, I couldn't wait to giveit back, tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
What is it about the feel of Alcantara that you
struggle with?
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
It's like nails on a chalkboard, really.
Yeah, it just doesn't.
First of all, it doesn't feelnatural.
Obviously it's a syntheticfiber.
I can't talk this morning MaybeI've got sweaty palms, but you
know, it's just, it's not.
(01:03:11):
It's just not a very workablefabric.
I just it doesn't feel like itshould be a fabric to to touch
like.
I'm fine with it as the roofmaterial.
I even don't mind it too muchas a, as a, as a um, a seat
fabric, even though you kind ofstick to it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Unfortunately you can't slide across it like you
can with leather I think that'sthe point no no, exactly that is
the point, um, but for thesteering wheel, no god, just
gross I'd love to see yourultimate spec like can I have
flat seats, maybe a bench seat?
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
can I have my favorite armchair squished in
there, please?
It would be the homo sims.
See, I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
I don't want to live with an alcantara steering wheel
.
Uh, because it I've.
When I bought my car there wasactually it had an alcantara
wheel in it, which I personallyI love the feel of it, I really
do.
But it's very hard to preventthem from kind of gumming up and
I know there are a lot ofvideos on youtube of how you can
do it and I see that you canrescue them, even if they are
(01:04:24):
pretty badly all gummed up.
But mine reached a point whereI just couldn't bring it back.
So I don't think I would everspec an Alcantara steering wheel
in a car.
But if I drive someone else'scar with an Alcantara steering
wheel in it, I love it.
I actually love that.
It doesn't matter if your palmsare sweaty.
In fact, that's probably whatdestroys the steering wheel.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But it actually looks quite nice.
Well, guys, I think that's itfor another episode of Curb and
Canyon.
Thanks for checking in andsticking with us, andy, thank
you for making fun of my morninghair.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Do you know what I can genuinely say?
It was my pleasure.
I enjoyed this conversation, asI always did, and so glad to
have you all along with us, giveus a follow on Instagram and
obviously check out James atAuto Amateur on Instagram and
YouTube and me, andy, at LastRasp on Instagram and YouTube,
and we will see you in Last Raspon Instagram and YouTube and we
(01:05:19):
will see you in another podreal soon.
Soon Ish.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Thanks guys.
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