March 22, 2025 • 62 mins
The perfect sports car should look incredible, handle with precision, and sound like it means business—but do modern Porsches deliver on that final criterion? In this episode, Andy questions why a Cayenne GTS sounds more aggressive and exciting than the flagship 911, sparking a debate about whether sound is even essential to the sports car experience.
James shares his recent journey to Amelia Island for the annual Werks Reunion event, including an impromptu meeting with Porsche icon Magnus Walker and a hilarious story about a friend who arrived at the gathering an entire week early. Meanwhile, Andy describes his DIY adventures fixing a deteriorated shift boot on his 964 and troubleshooting a mysterious steering noise before his upcoming Alpine Range Rally.
Between pickleball victories, car show encounters, and debates about whether they'd choose a GT4 RS or Spyder RS given the opportunity, James and Andy celebrate what makes the Porsche community special: its ability to embrace diverse approaches to enjoying these iconic machines, from purists to modifiers and daily drivers to weekend warriors. Tune in, kick back and welcome to Curb and Canyon.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
james, can we do this ?
Can we do this fucking podcast?
Can we press?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
come on, I've been waiting for you all afternoon
like always waiting for me.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
If you could send an invite that was at the time we
agreed this wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to kirby canyon oh, beautiful, what a
great way to start a podcast andI will say this week andy
gaughan, I'm very grateful forthe uh, the show notes that you
sent.
Thank you, you did it properlythis week.
(00:54):
Instead of just sending me acouple of characters for me to
interpret in a text message, youactually took, took the time to
put it on the curbing Canyonletterhead and in a document and
attach it to an email.
I'm feeling very taken care of.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sorry that when I do all of the prep sometimes it
doesn't meet your standards.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, just you know, keep that in mind for the future
.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, you know, I was quite excited about recording
this one and I think you'd sentme a few articles.
I knew there was a few thingshappening that we could talk
about and so, while they weretop of mind, a couple of days
ago, when we agreed to do thepod, I thought you know what I'm
going to make the show notesnow.
So I don't forget anything.
And what I'm really excitedabout is I'm certain you will
(01:40):
have watched the video of theweek.
I have no doubt of this.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh, certain you will have watched the video of the
week.
I have no doubt of this.
Oh, I have, I have, I have, andyou know that I've already
given you shit.
For why?
Well, I've given you shit forpicking the video of the week,
because let's you know, let'sjust get straight to it.
Spoiler alert andy's chosenanother video with a 964.
We've got a beautiful 964.
The video comes second, butit's coming up soon.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, do you know what I know?
And I am trying I'm trying tonot post just 964 content.
I'm aware of this.
I don't want it to seem asthough I'm biased, even though I
am.
But hey, you know what?
We don't just have video of theweek to talk about today.
We've got some updates on ourown cars.
You just have video of the weekto talk about today.
(02:29):
We've got some updates on ourown cars.
You've been to a car event.
I've been to a car event.
We're going to talk about that.
We're going to talk about whatis going on at porsche.
What is going on with the evthing?
Job cuts yeah, it's.
Is this the end of our brand?
Is this, is it good night forporsche?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I don't think it's just that bad you know, porsche
and my car and our friendshipand this little bubble that we
live in.
It's the last thing that'skeeping me sane, with all the
shit that's going on around theworld, and especially in this
country, and by this country Imean America.
It's the last holdout, it's mysanctuary, and if that starts
(03:02):
going to shit, oh God, I mightas well just ask if I can join
him on the, the next rocketthat's going to go to mars well.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The good thing is, though, this is starting to feel
like a segue to the newpolitical podcast we're going to
be launching in just a fewweeks, I do think.
I do think just on that veryquickly.
And on the EV thing, I thinkit's really interesting, or
let's say ironic, that thepeople who bought Teslas as the
(03:34):
ultimate form of virtuesignaling are now getting rid of
their Teslas as the ultimateform of virtue signaling.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, right, right, or setting them on fire.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Hey, now what's going on?
You don't have, uh, there's nominnesota brown uh on set.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
No, no, there isn't um.
What I do have is uh an icedtea, which I've got right here,
good okay uh, and I've got somewater over here.
You know what I did thismorning.
I uh joined the hipster crewand I played pickleball.
Do you have pickleball inAustralia?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I know Exactly when you say the hipster crew, if
you're referring to people intheir mid-70s as hipsters.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh my God, dude, this place.
It's called Chips PickleballClub.
Come on, dude.
Inside it looks like hipsterparadise.
You've got people with oddmatching clothes, shaved hair
and giant beards playingpickleball, and on the side
there is a bar where you can getone of 20 different craft beers
(04:39):
and frothy vegetable-toppedcoffees.
And there's a gentleman in thecorner with a laptop bag that
looks like a bassoon case.
It's, but I did, I played.
I played pickleball thismorning.
Ruthie and I are trying to, youknow, come up with new dates,
new exciting things to do.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I'll be honest.
How did that work as a date?
Was it just you yelling at eachother the whole time?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, it was funny on the way there.
On the way there, she was likewell, you know, you've had this
heart problem and I'm a littlebit worried about your health
and I don't think you're wearingshoes that are supportive
enough and I'm I'm just worriedabout you and and I've been
playing pickleball recently.
So you know, just let's, wedon't have to play the whole
hour if you don't want to Dude.
Within about 30 seconds shediscovered that I'm awesome.
(05:29):
I am so good at pickleball.
It is.
I don't want to blow my owntrumpet, but I used to play a
lot of tennis as a kid.
Growing up, like in the summer,play loads of tennis, used to
play squash and you shouldn'tget this excited about smashing
your wife around metaphorically,uh, but I did.
I absolutely thrashed her.
(05:50):
When we got to 20 points to one, she stopped counting and went
very quiet and I tried to lether play and I just tried to,
you know, have a bit of back andforth, but every now and again
I just had to show who's boss doyou know what, as I'm looking
at you, i'm'm seeing a kind of aBoris Becker kind of vibe there
.
(06:12):
Well, it's the only time I canget to be boss, I guess, to be
perfectly honest.
So it felt good.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's amazing.
Well, do you know what?
I'm glad you don't haveMinnesota Brown.
My good friend Steve, who Iwould say is he appreciates the
finer things, has great taste ineverything.
He has said to me that everytime you use the phrase
Minnesota Brown it makes himquite sad.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
He's like it just sounds so sad.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I'm like I cannot argue with that, yeah it is
pretty sad.
So shall we stop talking aboutpickleball and shit coffee?
What is happening in the worldof Porsche, particularly what is
happening with your car, myfriend?
Anything New?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
exhausts.
No, nothing has happened withthe 991 in the last month,
unfortunately, apart from medriving it back from Amelia,
which we'll talk about in asecond.
But what I can say is that itperformed amazingly.
It was so good and I drove backfrom florida in one shot.
I did about 1400 miles and ittook me no, maybe 1300 miles and
(07:16):
it took me 21 hours and it wasjust non-stop gas stations,
toilet breaks, gas stations,toilet breaks for 21 hours.
But it was fantastic andactually it sort of proved to me
that the SportCats that I'vegot, with the valved X-pipe, are
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going to work long term.
There was no uncomfortablenoise, no drone you know,
cruising, ripping it on and offof exit ramps.
Uh, it performed fantastically,uh, but I haven't done any mods
since I've gotten back.
In fact, I haven't even washedit I would say that is.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's the ultimate test of an exhaust, not in terms
of will it do the loud thingyou want it to do in the
twisties, but in terms of can Ijust live with it?
Yeah, doing 1300 miles offreeway, highway, nothing but
constant sitting at two and ahalf thousand revs, that's the
(08:15):
ultimate test for whether anexhaust is going to be
comfortable and tolerable overover that sort of travel.
So that's, that's a great testand a good result by the sounds
of things yeah, yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Um, and it was after a absolutely cracking weekend in
florida and and actually beforethat, in south carolina.
Uh, I got to you know, fill mycup with you, you would have
been impressed.
There were so many beautiful964s there like on display.
Yeah, just gorgeous, everyvariety you could possibly
(08:46):
imagine, lots of different,fantastic colors.
Um, I, of course, was moreexcited by the water-cooled
variety, and there were lots ofthose on display.
But I got to meet magnus walker.
I just did you randomly bumpedinto him and almost knocked him
over.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
What a massive thrill for him.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, it's absolutely no surprise that he
had no idea who I was, nor hadheard of my YouTube channel.
But I didn't volunteer.
Those things Hold on.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So did you say?
Do you know who I am?
No, have you not seen myyoutube channel?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
no, no, no, no, no.
But what?
What was funny was, as so Iclocked magnus walker, like
walking across this part of thegolf course, uh, where all the
cars are laid out, and I thoughtI can't see him properly.
But he's a guy in a floppy hatwith a beard.
It's got to be magnus walker.
And I'm doing that while thisother guy is talking to me
(09:46):
because he likes my youtubechannel.
He just like wandered up to meand was like, hey, it's james,
how you doing?
And he was talking to me aboutmy youtube channel.
So, as he started to saygoodbye to me and had not
clocked magnus walker, magnuswalker walked kind of up to me
and I looked up and I was like,oh, wow, uh, magnus walker, and
(10:07):
he said, yeah, who are you?
And I said, well, uh, I'm, I'mjames, and I've got like a
youtube channel and some peopleyou know, have recognized me and
he's like, oh, good for you.
But we had no, we had a nicelittle chat, you know, um, he's
a.
He's a yorkshireman, I guess Ifound out, um, I was born in
(10:29):
yorkshire he's from sheffield,no uh, maybe, yeah, sheffield
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm prettysure so we had the yorkshire
connection to talk about and uh,and then he, you know,
discovered that I'm I'm really ascouser, uh, you know, a little
five, five-minute chat, verynice.
He wandered off and I feltreally good for myself.
I felt like, wow, that was areally special moment.
And then I met up with my matesabout an hour later and all
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three of them had selfies withMagnus Walker.
So it sort of brought me down apeg again and put me back to
where I belong, just witheveryone else.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Isn't that great that ?
Yeah, magnus is at this event.
And what's he doing?
Yeah, he probably wants to dohis own thing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But anyone who wants a selfie, anyone who wants a
chat, yeah, no problem yeah,yeah, absolutely just like he
just seemed to be a reallydown-to-earth, genuine, just
totally chill guy, I was veryimpressed why do you think?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
because magnus seems to be a somewhat polarizing
figure, right like.
Some people seem to like him,some people less.
So what?
Why do you think?
Why do you think that isbecause my view on it is, uh,
whether you uh agree with all ofhis stylistic choices or not,
you know, he's this guy whovisually and famously kind of
(11:51):
broke the mold of what a Porschedriver was supposed to look
like and be and, in a way, kindof established this
counterculture argument orversion of what we imagine
Porsche guys look like.
I've got nothing but goodthings to say or think about
Magnus.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know I'm on the same side of the fence.
I had absolutely you knownothing negative to say about
him before I met him.
I thought of him as an artistand an influencer and somebody
who is obviously very passionateabout what they do.
Um, I knew sort of less abouthis success, frankly, other than
(12:32):
he was just a guy that appearedin the total 9-11 magazines
every now and again, with anabsolutely epic car collection
um and and and now, now I've methim, I you think, yeah, just
validated what I assumed he wasgoing to be like really, and, to
be honest, I don't think I'vecome across really anybody in
(12:52):
real life that has anythingnegative to say about him.
Are you aware?
Is there?
You know, for every loverthere's a hater out there.
For Magnus Walker.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Look, do you know what?
That's a really interestingpoint because I've heard people
you more hear people talk aboutthat.
Others don't seem to like him,but yeah, I agree with you.
I'm not sure I've ever metanyone that's had a bad word to
say about him.
Now that I think about it.
But yeah, I read his book a fewyears ago.
Super interesting story.
(13:21):
His whole journey to LA and howhe built himself up over there,
you know, with his fashionlabel and all of these things is
is really pretty cool.
I remember hearing about himback before I had sort of gotten
back into the porsche world.
A friend of mine bought a 996and we were going mountain
(13:41):
biking together and in the caron the way home he was telling
me he'd seen Magnus' film theUrban Outlaw, which was quite a
bit of a game changer.
And so he's telling me aboutthis guy in LA with dreadlocks
and a beard and all this stuff.
And I was trying to picturethis cat right.
And it wasn't until years laterthat I started getting bitten
(14:04):
by the bug and started huntingfor Porsche content on YouTube
that I came across that film andI was like, oh, this is that
guy that my mate was telling meabout and yeah, I think his
story is really interesting.
His car collection's rad.
I mostly picture him witheither that 277 car or any of
his 930s.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
He had that minerva bloom 930 that's in one of his
one of his early films wherehe's banging around the streets
of la at night, you know it'slike three o'clock in the
morning it's yeah, yeah yeah,it's cool, it's really cool yeah
, yeah, he's just uh, it'sanother corner of the Porsche
community which just has its,you know, its own following, its
(14:47):
own kind of ethos, its its ownmentality, and it can just live
there and that's something Ijust love to continue to talk
about, my love for this Porschecommunity.
But you can, you can have acorner over here that's all
about outlaw cars and doing whatyou want with them.
You can have a corner over herethat's just about performance
racing and then tracking, whichmaybe fits sort of alongside it
(15:11):
adjacently.
And then you got the puristsover here that just want to buy
stock cars and drive stock carsand, and you know, collect them
or not.
And then you got everybody elsein between and everybody just
really seems to allow everybodyto exist.
You know, there's not one waythere's, no.
There's no one way of being aporsche person.
There's no one way of lovingthe brand and loving the cars,
(15:34):
because there are so manywell-established and proven you
know corners to this culturethat you can spend all your time
in, or some of your time in,and nobody really cares where.
You're, just there to enjoyyourself.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, that's so true.
There are a lot of different,let's say, tribes within the
Porsche community.
Right, and you find your ownthat you connect with, but,
equally, that doesn't mean youcan't connect with the others.
I always find that interestingwhen you go to a, let's say, an
event and you talk to someonewhose experience or lived
(16:10):
experience with the brand is socompletely different to yours.
Yeah, that's not the basis foran end to the conversation, it's
actually a catalyst for thebeginning of a conversation.
Right, right, why do you dothis?
Why did you make that decision?
Tell me about why you chosethis.
How do you use your car?
You know all of these thingsthat you can get into a
(16:34):
conversation with a person with.
And, yeah, you've got this onecommon theme in the middle of it
, which is, yeah, I love thebrand and I love the cars.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, love it, which is, yeah, I love the brand
and I love the cars.
Yeah, yeah, so cool.
So what?
What is amelia island?
I hear about amelia island allthe time.
It's some sort of event, justfor for the real, for the people
who are not in the states andand don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Just just tell me a bit about it well, for one, it
doesn't really feel like anisland, it's just a stretch of
land is it an?
actual island.
It is technically an island,but it's just a stretch of land.
Is it an actual island?
Besides it being on the ocean,just like the whole of the East
(17:22):
Coast of Florida is on the oceanyou wouldn't really think, oh
hey, I'm on an island.
You know, you go to thePhilippines or you go to Hawaii
and be like, oh yeah, I'm on anisland, but it's a pretty
affluent.
I would call it a retirementcommunity.
That's maybe a little harsh.
There are a lot of retirementcommunities there and a lot of
people that you know retire andmove to the coast of Florida,
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and Amelia Island is one of them.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Hold up, hold up.
So when I asked what AmeliaIsland was, I probably wasn't
quite looking for the geographylesson, the makeup and the
demographic profile of theresidents.
I was more asking based on whatis Ameliaelia island as an
event?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
but actually it's really honestly, I think it's
relevant, I think it's importantokay, carry on because because
of the affluent nature of thepopulation.
It attracts people that havehigh-end cars right so I see if,
if you've got, if you've got aferrari or a porsche or a Lambo
and your hair's going gray andyou fancy a bit of golf, most
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likely you'll know where AmeliaIsland is.
And so it attracts the carshows, it attracts major car
auctions, and this oneparticular weekend, porsche Club
of America, on the Friday, holda Works Reunion event, and
that's an all-day thing.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Works Reunion, that's what it is right.
Works Reunion, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Soday thing works, that's what it is right.
It's works reunion, that'sright.
So when I say I'm going toamelia it's really to attend
that works reunion event.
But over the saturday and thesunday there's a concord de
elegance uh car event with youknow all the high-end
old-fashioned classic cars youcan imagine and everything else
um.
There's a local cars and coffeewhich is essentially like
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you're standing in a porsche andferrari dealership.
The cars there are phenomenaland people come from all over
and will park up to a couple ofmiles away on some dirt road to
walk to these events because theamount of cars there are so, so
incredible.
And then you've got the auctionsas well.
So you go to cars and coffee.
You go check in auction.
You see these three milliondollar vintage mercedes or 10
(19:30):
million dollar vintage you knowferraris that are about to go on
auction.
You get to look at them andmaybe not touch them.
And then you decide to go andsit on the beach for a little
bit and then you go to the nextcar show and the next car show.
And I've been three years in arow now and it's it's.
It's a really great weekend.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's really cool, whether you're a porsche fanatic
or any other car brand, butprimarily porsches amazing and I
assume people uh sort ofcongregate there from all over
the country, right like whetherthey fly over, drive yeah there,
as you did well, you got.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know people like magnus walker flying in from
California.
I drove in.
There were people there thathad driven in from Western
states, from New York.
Jay Reid was going to come infrom Connecticut there's a story
about that, I'll tell you aboutit in a second From Maine,
vermont.
There were even people fromCanada there.
Can you believe it?
The Canadians came to America.
(20:21):
We put an extra tariff on theirair ticket, but they still paid
it nonetheless.
So get this.
Jay Reid introduced me to thisevent and it was his idea
originally.
Hey, let's go down there, we'llmeet up and, you know, we'll do
Tale of the Dragon and then sixmonths later, we'll do Amelia
Island.
So Jay and I have been threeyears and this is now maybe our
(20:43):
fourth year.
We've had the Airbnb booked formonths.
We've had this in the calendarfor months.
I'm getting text messages fromJay pretty early.
We're talking like over a weekaway from the event, saying,
like you know, he's gettinggeared up and he's starting to
pack.
And well, good for you, jay.
You know you're a prettyorganized guy.
Good lad, get on it Thursday.
(21:08):
The week before we got a photoof jay taking a selfie with his
son, having just gotten off thecar train in florida being like
so, chaps, are we going to meetup for lunch?
Oh my god.
We're like oh, that's reallyfunny, jay, yeah, yeah, we'll
see you next week.
And he's like what do you meannext week?
Gone there a week early, he gotthe date wrong and actually
(21:30):
packed up, missed all the socialmedia, missed all the banter,
forgot the dates.
He arrived in florida on thecar train with his son, to no
event a week early, and he thatis amazing, I couldn't believe
it.
Honestly.
There were, like it was likefive or six of us in our, like
you know, amelia island porschechats and and the last guy to
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get involved was like wait aminute, we're doing it.
I've just been going back to100 messages that have just been
blowing up my phone.
I don't understand what's goingon, like it just it took about
an hour for it to really sink inthat.
No, actually he's there a weekearly oh my god so he decided to
go to disney world with his sonfor the weekend and stay in
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orlando, which is where thetrain drops off, instead of
going to the car event.
We tried to convince him tostay there for the week and meet
up with us later, but but alas,no, he couldn't do it planned,
so we were minus, uh, one glasswearing ginger head knobhead
there was just one that is quitehilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I mean, I hear disney world is quite good oh, just
shoot me.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I've got no interest with disney world.
You, would, you, would you giveit a go?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I did disneyland in oh gosh 25 years ago, uh, with
kath.
It was that's good.
Yeah, I'm not a big theme parkguy.
If I'm honest, I'm not thatinterested in rides.
So yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I've got to bite thatbullet at some point and take
the kids to Disney World.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, you do.
Yeah, the kids want to do it.
Of course it's a rite ofpassage.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Anyway, so that that was Amelia Island.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
Did you?
Did you manage to drive anytwisties in, either on the way
there or back?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
On the way there for a little bit.
I actually had my car shippedto Charleston, south Carolina,
to meet up with my friendChristian.
I was doing some other stuff inthe area so it was convenient
to do that.
So from from South Carolinadown to Florida, and Mark and
his son matthew were there aswell.
They're two guys that go on thetail of the dragon with us.
They live in north carolina.
For the first half of that tripwe were sort of I wouldn't call
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them twisties, but they weremore interesting country roads,
yep, um.
On the way back, um, for thefirst four or five hours I was
on really pretty cool twistiesgoing through florida and into
georgia, and then it was boring,boring, boring for like 12
hours, and then the last four orfive hours going through iran
(24:04):
and um, uh, wherever, whateverit is, what is it?
Where's chicago, illinois?
Uh, illinois and iowa.
It gets a bit interesting again.
But but honestly, nothingreally super exciting.
And yeah, fair enough it was.
It was a hard 21 hours reallyyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
That's, um, that's quite a test of of the 911 as a
grand tourer.
At the end of the day, it'sit's still a sports car.
They're amazingly comfortableand they can munch miles well,
but it's not a.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's not a Bentley yeah, yeah didn't see a single
cop for a thousand miles, whichis pretty incredible really,
statistically, I think.
Yeah, on on highways, offhighways, you don't really see a
lot of them on on the roads,really, especially driving
through the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, but that was good, that was pretty good yeah,
yeah, nice, nice, well, I havebeen, I've been doing some work
on little green I have.
I have a rally coming up and wemay have spoken on the last pod
.
I've had this kind of groaningnoise coming from somewhere in
(25:25):
the steering and uh, I'mreasonably, yeah, associated
with the steering.
You know the front end of thecar.
I don't want to be thinkingabout that when I'm tipping the
car into a tight right hander atspeed with a sheer cliff face
facing me if I don't make theturn.
I don't be thinking about.
Is there something amiss?
The car went to nine autothey've.
(25:46):
They've looked over it.
Uh, nothing wrong.
But uh, the other problem waswhen I took it to them.
I, I think I said last time, Ihad one of those really annoying
experiences where the day Itook it to them it wasn't yeah
so of course they couldn'tdiagnose it, but it's actually
been really noisy the last fewtimes I've taken it out.
(26:07):
So I'm taking it back next weekwith the hope that they can at
least hear it, in which casethere might be a chance of
diagnosing it.
Having done some research and abit of a deep dive on RENLIST,
I'm not convinced that it's notthe steering rack.
And if it is the steering rack,I'll be really frustrated
because I actually replaced thatsteering rack in 2022.
(26:27):
So it certainly shouldn't havefailed, but anyway, let's see.
So it certainly shouldn't havefailed, but anyway, let's see.
And then the other thing isI've had this very specific
vibration through the shifter,and when I say very specific, I
mean if I'm sitting at, well,let's say, four and a half 5,000
RPM in third gear while goingaround a right-hand bend.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's pretty specific.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And I'mhand bend.
That's pretty specific and I'mnot kidding, that's the
specificity of it.
There's this like just thiskind of rattling vibration
through the shifter.
So last weekend I thought maybeI'll take a look and see if
there's something amiss downthere.
So pulling off the 964 centerconsole is quite an easy job.
(27:16):
It's just a bunch of screwsanyone who's worked on that 964
center console knows they arevery prone to.
There's one bracket that alwayssnaps.
Mine has snapped many times,and both obviously before I
bought it and since I bought it.
So there's there's about 27different layers of glue where
this thing is snapped and itstill doesn't hold together,
(27:37):
anyway.
So then you take off theleather shift boot and then
beneath that and beneath thecenter console there's a rubber
shift gator, or boot or bellowsif you like, that sits over the
shifter and that's actuallyquite tricky to remove.
And then there's actually asecond one that sits below that.
So two rubber gaiters that Ithink largely exist to prevent
(28:00):
for NVH purposes, right?
So the second one, the one thatsits underneath the main one,
was just torn to shreds, likejust absolutely.
Oh no, yeah, it was justabsolutely, absolutely destroyed
, and I think what had happenedwas because I've got a sleepers
short shift kit and the.
The original uh, this originalbellows thing won't fit over
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that properly, so clearly it'sbeen modified to go over that,
but it's been done in such a waythat it's just deteriorated
over time anyway.
So I've got all that backtogether.
I'm not I'm yet to drive it, soI don't know whether that uh,
third gear four and a halfthousand rpm, right hand bend,
uh vibration has been resolved,but we'll see.
(28:45):
But anyway it goes in mondayand hopefully we can find out
what the hell is wrong with thesteering, because I've got a
rally coming up in two weeks soI'd really rather not start the
rally with that in the back ofmy head is this another alpine
range rally or is this adifferent rally?
it is now alpine range rally 11.
Um, this one's come up reallyquick.
(29:06):
The last one was november andthis one's just suddenly here,
so really looking forward tothat.
Typically, I throw a lot intothe organization of these things
.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You know we do merch.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Last time I had everybody got obviously the
t-shirts, but then we had likebags for everyone with goodies
in them and stickers and decalsand all sorts of stuff.
That's fancy, yeah, which isreally cool At this time.
I sent a message to the groupabout a week ago and I said, hey
, lads, I've not even doneT-shirts, I just haven't had the
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time and I'm kind of likingjust doing one where we can just
sneak out and do the drive, andthen the next one I'll do all
of the bells and whistles.
But I took my car to.
We had a big.
There's kind of this two-weekperiod in Melbourne where we
have a long weekend.
I think it's Labor Day.
I don't know what the longweekend is for.
(30:02):
It always creeps up on me.
I'm always like, oh wow, noone's working next Monday, cool.
And then the weekend followingis the Formula One Grand Prix.
Those two weekends in Melbourneare just like a party.
Melbourne just is popping offand so on the long weekend there
was a Porsche event called,imaginatively, porsches and
(30:24):
Coffee.
I think that's what it's called.
I think that's the name.
It's the most uninspiring nameever.
That's what it's called.
It's it's some.
I think that's the name.
It's the most uninspiring nameever in a world of luftkult, art
neun.
Uh checked out, like all ofthese cool names porsches and
coffees.
Not the most imaginative name,however, however, uh, massive
credit to the organizers.
(30:44):
The way this event works is theyblock off the main street in
south mel, which is just acouple of kilometres south of
the CBD, and it's just Porscheson a Sunday morning in this main
street and because it's justall parked on the street.
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It's an area where there areshops, there are cafes, there's
a market nearby, so you have somuch foot traffic and the event
just's.
I think the third year they'verun it and it was so busy, so
many people there, and it reallystruck me as I looked at the
cars that were, that were ondisplay parked.
(31:27):
You know you had everythingfrom old air-cooled cars to, you
know, a line of literally three, three or four current day
gt3rs's and everything inbetween.
I don't think there's anotherbrand that could pull this sort
of thing off and I think one ofthe reasons being that, you know
, if you think about uh, youknow other other brands in the
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category.
There's no, there's noentry-level ferrari or aston
martin or mclaren or lamborghini.
Do you know what I mean.
You can't buy.
There's not the twenty thousanddollar boxster equivalent for
those brands that make themtherefore accessible to a
broader range of people.
Who can then?
Who can then display the carsand you know it was so busy in
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terms of the turnout of cars andpeople who wanted to have can
then display the cars, and youknow it was so busy in terms of
the turnout of cars and peoplewho wanted to have their cars
featured in there that some ofthe cars couldn't get in and I
was there with my mate out, mymate al, from flat six affair,
and he said, hey, you got tocome around some of these side
streets and him and my othermate, fraz, had been walking
around the side streets.
And you go down this one sidestreet and there's three 964s, a
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911R, and then you go around acorner and there's an ST like
just parked in the middle ofthese tiny little side streets.
So that was super cool.
I mean, you know you talk aboutdifferent, let's say,
subcultures within the Porscheculture or Porsche community.
I always think it's interestingto see some of these really
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heavy hitter cars that that youcan tell have.
You know, you look at the frontof the car and it's.
It's never seen, course, chipasphalt.
It's never seen leaf litter onthe road, you know never.
A lot of them you can tell havebeen driven to Cars and Coffee.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So Cars and Coffee and that's sort of it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know they are just so immaculate.
But there were some really coolcars there, some great old
air-cooled cars.
To be honest, one of the carsthat really stood out, I just I
love the Spiders Spider, rs oreven just a regular Spider.
They just there's somethingabout the way those cars look.
The more I see them, the more Ithink that's a car I would love
(33:39):
to have a go in.
I think that would just be sucha fun car to drive.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
let's come back to that in a second um, because I
got a question for you.
But uh, that made me think of acar I saw in Amelia.
It was the first ST that I'veseen in the flesh and it was the
release color, whatever thatlight kind of sign Is it shore
blue, I think it's called.
Whatever it is, yeah, it's likethat silvery, shimmery kind of
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blue color.
I just happened to park a fewcars down from it in the stretch
in the corral.
Got talking to the owner ownerand he's the exact opposite.
He's put like 10 000 miles onthat car in about six months and
he drove down to florida from Ithink it was somewhere in the
midwest and then he's about todrive it over to the rockies and
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out to california and then he'splanning on driving it back to
the east coast and he's like I'mgonna have 50 000 miles on this
by the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I drive my cars and he's probably retired.
His wife was there with him andshe told me on the side that
he's got another three at homewhich probably aren't seeing the
light of day, but at least thatcar.
He was there and you could seethat there was a rock chip on
the front.
You know it's.
It's a car that's been driven.
There are dead bugs all over it, you know he just didn't care
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he was.
He was there to see everyeverybody's else, everyone
else's car.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You know, that was pretty phenomenal that is so
cool, you know I'll never forget.
My mate anthony said, uh, whenthe st came out and we were
really excited about them.
I remember you know that launchthere was that, yeah, that light
blue, and then there was justthe black one and I remember
seeing just I just rememberseeing that black one thinking
it's so simple, so classic, thatwould be my spec, I would just
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get that.
And I remember talking with himabout it and he said we will
never see one of these in thetwisties at home.
We'll never see one up reefedand spur or one of these other
roads we drive.
And I thought he's right, youwon't and it's such a shame,
because because you know, I justthink and you know, hey, to
(35:44):
each their own right.
We've all got our own way.
We experience these cars.
But you know, you think about,if you had the opportunity to
buy an st, what would you dowith it?
You'd be like all right, I amplanning my tale of the dragon
journey.
Yeah, specifically, so I canspend four days tearing around
the twisties in this thing andexperiencing it, the way it's
(36:05):
meant to be experienced.
Like I say, it's.
Um, I'm not saying one way isright or wrong, but one way is
right and one way is wrong, yeahdefinitely.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But you know, that's one of the reasons why I've got
so much respect for my mate,Chris.
You know, whether it was his991.1 Turbo or his GT3 Touring,
he takes good care of that andit's always spotless and he
wants it to stay looking factoryfresh.
But he's driven it to tell thedragon and back and he's going
to do it again, and he's goingto do it again and again and
again.
And he just wants to.
He wants to experience that caron a road the way it's supposed
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to be driven, even though hedoesn't.
You know, he doesn't reallywant to put too many miles on it
, but it's the experience,ultimately, that I can.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I can so relate to the way chris goes about it,
because one of the things Ithink there's a narrative that
emerges sometimes around peoplewho wash and detail their cars
that oh yeah, you, you don'tactually drive it, you're just
detailing it all the time, whichis such horse shit like I've,
you know I think about.
Do I wash and detail my car alot?
Yeah, I do.
(37:13):
I love doing it.
I love the car to lookabsolutely as spectacular as
it's possible for it to look,but at the same time, I don't
think I know anyone who's put asmany miles on their 964, I mean
, at least, or their Porsche ingeneral, at least in my group,
as me, I drive the thing all thetime, all the time.
(37:36):
So yeah fuck the haters.
If you're washing your car,that's totally okay with me.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and I am
definitely not one that washesmy car all the time, but I do
appreciate when it is.
I like you know you, everybodyknows that I like to tinker with
my car and get the exhaust onit and get the exhaust on and
off, and that sort of thrill of.
(38:03):
This is my car, this is mysetup.
There are cheaper cars, thereare more expensive cars, but
this one's mine and it's it'sgoing to be driven the way I
want it to be driven and I'mactually just going to get it
out and try and get the most outof it as much as I can, whether
it's yeah, whether it's thesound, whether it's the setup,
the look, whatever it is.
But that's actually a goodsegue onto our next agenda topic
(38:23):
, which is sound yeah, okay, soit is a great segue.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I was we've had a lot of hot weather here in
Melbourne and I went out for icecream with my family and I was
sitting there having ice creamand this dude pulls up in a new
KN GTS and he runs in, grabs icecream with his girlfriend and
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then they jump back in the carand drive off.
You should have heard thisthing.
It sounded so good.
Right, and it's yeah, sure it'sa V8.
It sounded incredible.
And then I saw another CayenneGTS a few days later, same thing
, and it got me thinking.
Right, you have, porsche has aluxury SUV in their stable that
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sounds better than the 911.
Now, granted, that car's a V8,right, I get it.
A V8's always going to soundterrific.
It's why AMG C63 sounds so good, because they've got a rumbling
V8.
But I look at what you've donewith your car, the
experimentation you've done tofind a combination that is
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usable on a daily driver kind ofbasis.
Where you can, it's comfortableand nice to be in, but that is
also loud when you when you wanta sports car and, let's be
honest, the 911 is a sports car.
So I know there are limitations, I understand that and I know
that there's there's there'srules and regulations in europe,
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the particulate filters, all ofthese things that that make it
difficult.
But it seems to me that otherbrands, be it audi, bmw,
mercedes, all somehow managed tomake cars in their range have a
sound, whether it's good or bad, but are able to deliver volume
(40:20):
in that sound.
And Porsche are able to do itwith other cars in the range.
So surely the flagship 911 as asports car, if you get the PSE,
if you get the Porsche sportsexhaust, should be loud enough
that it sounds like a sports car.
Discuss.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
All right.
Well, I think the latergenerations of 911 with the PSE
even mine the 991.2, thatfactory PSE, arguably, is good
enough.
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's not, it's not.
No, it's not, but it is.
For me it's not no way.
No, it's not, but it is.
For me it's not no way.
No, I've driven the GTS, I'vedriven the Carrera T.
You drive those cars in anger.
You can't hear it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You just can't hear it.
So let me go back to where Iwas headed, which is what was
the 911 designed for?
It's designed for driving.
It's designed for performance.
Okay, so that talks to theaerodynamics, that talks to the
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setup, that talks to the powerthe engine puts out.
None of that necessarilytranslates directly to it's got
to be loud.
Now, I think the flat six enginewhether you've got that in the
porsche, flat six, whetheryou've got a factory exhaust
without valves or you've got,you know, a custom setup the
sound of a flat six porsche isunmistakable, just like a v8 and
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a v10 are unmistakable.
But I guess my question is whendid sound become really
important?
Because I don't think sound isdirectly relevant to the first
couple of objectives of why the911 is even here in the first
place, which is about drivingexperience and quality and power
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and performance.
Sound, I don't think, isdirectly linked to any of those.
Sound is something that thefanboys have added on because
the F1 cars sound great, orsound has been added on because
the Porsche Le Mans car sounds acertain way, and now I've got
to have my car sounding likethat.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Where did sound become important?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Hold on If you're trying to derail my highly
emotional argument with facts,logic and intelligently put
points.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I'm very disappointed at that.
Someone's got to do it.
Okay, you make good points.
Let's say one of the reasonsfor the enduring success of the
911 is that it is the genuinedaily driver sports car.
Right, it, it, it's, it's a,it's a sports car that, and, in
fact, most people who buy a 911daily it, they buy it to daily
(43:06):
it, right?
So, unless they're buying a GTproduct and let me just let me
categorically state GTdepartment cars are irrelevant
to this conversation, because,yes, if you've bought a GT3,
that sounds fantastic.
So that's one thing.
Well, I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about Carreras,carrera Ts, et cetera.
(43:31):
So, yes, they are supposed tobe able to be daily driven and
even that means that there isonly so much you can do with
with, with volume, because it'sgot to be usable on a daily
basis.
But I think about, for example,even the na991, so the first
gen 991s.
If you have the factory sportsexhaust on that, I think that's
actually sufficient.
(43:51):
You could sufficient, it couldbe a little bit louder if you're
an enthusiast, but for mostpeople the factory sports
exhaust is enough and Iunderstand that once they move
to the turbocharged engine thatis harder to extract some level
of sound out of it.
But the reason that sound isimportant is that you're looking
(44:12):
for, or I think, a sports caris about a visceral experience.
It's about creating anexperience that has a link, be
it strong or otherwise, to themotorsport heritage of the brand
.
Now, a lot of these other brandsI talk about, they don't have
the motorsport heritage thatthat that porsche does.
(44:34):
They may do to a to a lesserextent, but you know, the 911 is
a sports car that has won inevery category, from rally to
endurance racing.
It.
It is this, you know, thisincredible, storiedied,
successful motorsport car.
I just think surely part of theprocess of building and
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designing those cars he saidfrom the comfort of his study,
having never built or designedanything should include hey, how
do we make the Porsche sportsexhaust, the person who ticks
that box, who looks for thatoption?
Let's give them that option.
Let's make it that when you hitthe binoculars button.
Yeah, it's a significantdifference and I don't think
(45:22):
it's enough.
And I think it's interestingthat other cars in their range,
I think, sound better than theflagship sports car.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, I can get on board with a lot of that, but I
think culture is a big part ofit as well and I think if
porsches were italian and thatsort of more flamboyant, that
more sort of flamboyant um, I'mnot saying it has to be
lamborghini- no, no one wants.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
No one wants to turn a regular 911 into Lamborghinis,
right Some?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
people do.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
No, I mean I think you know Lamborghini, the guys
who drive Lamborghinis, they'rejet ski people right Like they
go to the beach and just annoythe fuck out of everybody.
So no you don't want that.
But you look at what you'vebeen able to do on your car it's
20%.
It's just some volume just tohey I'm driving a sports car
(46:15):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well, I wonder what.
How much of it is also businessstrategy, because I bet you
porsche's business strategy hasnever been about okay.
Well, in 10 years time, whenthese cars depreciate and people
like james and andy buy them,they're gonna want to do
something to the sound.
It's.
It's the people that can showup with 150,000 dollars worth in
cash and buy a carrera.
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They are saving the sound.
They are saving that visceralexperience for the gt cars,
because that person who turns upwith 150,000 dollars in cash,
with the right push or mighttickle on the bum from a good
looking associate, might bewilling to pony up another
hundred grand to go and walk outwith a turbo s or a gt3 or a
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gt3 rs not that the turbo snecessarily has the best sound
in the world, but I maybe, maybethat's part of it, which is
they're being selective.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
We're going to save the best sound for the people
that show up with 200 grand oror more to buy the gt range but
look, I I think there'ssomething in that, and I also
think there's something in theidea of you know, you talk about
it being business strategy.
I think that's true.
I think brand new carreras andcarrera s's aren't actually
aimed at people like you and me,right?
(47:29):
So if the sound was louder, ifit was more, quote-unquote,
visceral, what they mightactually do is put off their
core target audience, their coretarget audience being the
person who wants to use the caron a daily basis.
I still think, though, if youlook at the success of cars like
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the AMGs, I still think there'san argument that the person who
wants it as a daily driver andis willing to tick the box to
say, wants a sports exhaust,that that could be tweaked and
pushed a little harder.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Well, and so this is where we segue into the next
conversation, which is what onearth is happening at Porsche?
What is happening at Porsche?
What's going on I mean, it'snot just Porsche as well, I
think in the news recently, thearticle that we were going to
talk about was something like3,000 or 4,000 jobs between now
and 2029 are going to get cutfrom Porsche.
(48:24):
Did you know that it's nearly50,000 of the workforce that are
being cut from across the VWgroup, which includes audi and
and the other brands that sortof live there?
That's 50 000 people from theworkforce.
What is the?
Is the demand for porsches andsports cars suddenly tanking?
And have I missed that memo?
(48:44):
Like what?
I don't get it no, I I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
The only theory I can can put it down to is there's
obviously a proliferation ofvehicles out of China.
In the last 10 years, thequality of those vehicles has
rapidly improved to the pointwhere now it's not a matter of I
(49:08):
will buy a Chinese vehicle.
Yes, it will cost me a lot less.
Yes, it'll be poorer qualitythan what I might get out of
europe, but it'll cost me a lotless, I think that is now
changing to the point where thequality has improved, uh, in
leaps and bounds, and so it'snow a genuine competitor and and
(49:29):
I think then there's the uptakeof of electric, particularly
for premium brands just hasn'tmet the expectations of these
brands and that's I don't know.
To me that's not a big surprise.
I think if you can buy achinese made ev that costs I
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don't know, 20 less, even maybe20 of the price of of something
out of europe, why would you not?
Because you're not.
I think for the most part,people who are buying evs are
buying them for um, you're not acar enthusiast buying an EV
Gross generalization, I know,but you're buying it from a very
(50:17):
different mindset.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I can get behind that sentiment.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I would agree generally yeah, and also and
think about something like theTaycan or you know if you're
thinking about, say, audi, forexample the e-tron GT.
I'm sure these cars arebrilliant, but if you look at
the second hand market for them,the depreciation is insane,
(50:42):
insane.
So why would you hand over thekind of money it takes to drive
one of those cars new off thelot, knowing what a depreciation
hit you're going to get?
And you know, I've seen there'sarticles about people who have
bought a tycan, then tried totrade it at porsche for another
vehicle and literally porschehave said we won't buy it back.
(51:03):
And when you think about it I I,the way I see it is an ev is
well, it's a, it's a, it's apiece of digital technology,
right?
So in a lot of respects, an evis a device, and by that I mean
in the same way that your iphoneis a device.
(51:24):
It is driven entirely bytechnology that will gradually,
over time, be superseded andmade redundant.
A 3.6-litre flat-six enginefrom 30 years ago, or from 12
years ago, is still going to bedrivable and relevant in another
(51:46):
20 or 30 years, as long as youcan fuel it.
A car driven by four lithiumbatteries that are past their um
, their service life, what isthat?
I mean?
you don't, you don't pull outyour iphone 6 on a sunday
morning and say hey, let's, uh,let's just for old time's sake
(52:06):
get on the old ios and see howit goes.
Right, like you don't well.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
And also, you don't try and replace the batteries in
your iphone.
When the battery starts goingdown, you go and just get a new
iphone, correct?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
So that right, right.
And so I mean I.
I was even looking at taikansthe other day, um, because I saw
one on the street and I thoughtwhat they were?
I, I saw it.
I think it was the four thatwas going for 120 000 three
years ago, years ago.
It's now worth $20,000.
I could have got that, I mean,to be fair, I had 100,000 miles
on it, but still I could bedriving around in a brand new
(52:38):
looking Taycan for 20 grand.
That's incredible.
But going back to the worstworkforce reduction and the
layoffs that I read, I think itwas the same day that I sent you
that article, that I also sentyou the other article which
talks about how porsche is goingto be introducing even more
cars into the lineup and there'sgoing to be a fully electric
(53:01):
cayenne.
There's going to be additionalgas fuel models now.
So they they may very wellreintroduce a boxster and a
cayman with a petrol engine inthe future.
So on the one hand, you've gotthem laying off thousands of
people and on the other hand,you've got them talking about
introducing all of these newcars that are going to continue
to sort of beef out the range.
I don't know enough about howcar manufacturers work to figure
(53:24):
out how those two thingsreconcile.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Neither I think.
The fact is that, you know, thecar industry right now is in a
state of tremendous flux.
The transition to EV has nothappened with either the pace or
in the way that manufacturershad expected, partly because of
the influx of Chinesemanufactured EVs, partly because
(53:49):
of reticence on behalf ofconsumers to buy the premium EVs
, which has left them in adifficult position.
And so, you know, if you look atthe rumors that are swirling
currently about the 718replacement codenamed the 983,
which is supposed to be EV onlyBoxster and Cayman, that seems
(54:12):
to have stalled, and there's allsorts of reasons being touted
right, and one is actually thatthe manufacturer of the
batteries that were going to beused, a company called Northvolt
, is right now desperate for acash infusion and is facing
insolvency, which is a problemthat Porsche actually had with
the battery manufacturer thatthey worked with on the hybrid
(54:34):
911.
So that certainly pushed thingsout, but you know that, just
then, I think, fuels rumorsaround.
Well, okay, a Porschereconsidering whether only EV
option for Cayman and Boxster isgenuinely the way forward, or
will that kill, you know, two ofthe most beloved cars in the
(54:58):
Porsche history, yeah, yeah yeah, well, look, let's put the EVs
to one side and let's talk abouteverybody's favourite,
especially your favourite, andyit's the 964.
especially your favorite, andy,it's the 964.
Okay, all right, let's talkvideo of the week.
Now here's the thing.
Right, I didn't do this becauseit's a 964.
(55:18):
I did it because I happen tothink it's a really great video.
And first I actually want toshout out to me and the boy and
girl on Instagram who suggesteda video to me a couple of days
ago from the same contentcreator who's made this video.
This, this came up for me.
I mean I 964.
Content on youtube alwaysappears, but I also saw it on on
(55:41):
ren list.
It was featured on ren list ornot featured, but just in the
964 chat on ren list.
It's called uh, one car for itall and it tells the story of an
imported 964 C2 coupe.
The YouTube channel is calledCar Tales and it's such a good
964.
It's beautifully built.
(56:02):
It's been made, or, let's say,rebuilt and redone by Joey
Seeley at Emotion Engineering.
Joey's just one of these guyswho, as know, as someone living
in Australia, I always thinkthere's certain people who, if I
lived in the States or if I wasin California in particular,
they'd be the people I wouldsend my car to, and Joey's
certainly one of those people inthe air-cooled world 3.8 litre,
(56:25):
ohlin, suspension, 993, big redbrakes.
It's got a carbon fibre deck,lid and wing and if you've ever
seen any of the videos aboutjoey seely's car, project nasty,
he's got this same carbon fiberwhale tail and apparently the
mold snapped.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
So those, those two cars are the only cars that have
these carbon fiber whale tails.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
it's just, it's nicely done.
It's a great looking car shotsomewhere in Northern California
in some beautiful forests.
It just I don't know, it mademe want to get out and drive,
and that's what I look for in avideo.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Well, I can get behind all of that Definitely,
and you know I like a big, agood bit of carbon fiber.
But it was just another videothat made me feel bad about my
life, andy, because's set, likeyou said, on these incredible
twisty roads, in this beautifulmountain wilderness with the
trees and the sound of nature,and I'm sat here in the
cornfields of the freakingmidwest with my straight roads.
(57:22):
But no, it was.
It was a really, really goodvideo, um, but I this.
This is nothing to do with thevideo, but the name of the video
sort of gave me a bit of a lordof the rings vibe and that
immediately sort of just put meoff one one car to rule them all
.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Uh but no, yeah, very , very good you know, I agree, I
think the name is a little bityeah I'll, I'll.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
I'm going to be hoping for a water-cooled I'm
not even going to say 991.2, butat least a water-cooled
recommendation for the next one,if I don't beat you to it first
.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
My last one was water-cooled.
Yeah, to be fair, it was.
It was one of the Soul Drivesvideos that was water-cooled.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, I've actually since subscribed to that channel
and I've enjoyed a lot of hiscontent.
Soul Drives.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, he did a cracking video, I think, this
week, where he's in because he'sgot a 991.1, just C4, but
manual, and he's chasing a GT4RS Again through the Black
Forest in Germany.
These European videos, they'rejust.
(58:35):
The light is so good, the roadsare so open.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, yeah, well, look, before we wrap this up, I
did halfway through the show,said that I had a question for
you and I want to go back to it,because you said you really
like the look of the spiders.
And in Amelia, going all theway back to the beginning in
Amelia I saw my fair share ofspiders, but I did see my fair
share of GT4s and actually therewas a GT4 RS there which looked
(59:04):
incredible.
So I know you loved your GT4.
Let's just put the GT4s off fora second.
If someone came up to you andsaid, andy, I've got a brand new
gz4rs and I've also got thisbrand new spider rs, is there a
spider rs?
Speaker 1 (59:22):
there is yeah yeah, there is.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Which one would you take?
Speaker 1 (59:28):
I don't know, g Gee whiz.
Do you know what?
I think I'd take the Spyder RS.
Really, I do, really, Iactually do.
I think you know everythingI've read or seen with the GT4
RS.
Obviously the sound is insaneto the level of some people find
it just way too much and tooloud.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
So I feel like it's a car either way that you
wouldn't have long term.
So hey, you know what?
Why not deal with thatridiculous roof and just go all
out and have a Spider RS Nice?
Yeah, I think that'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Nice, nice, nice and you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
You'd probably need the Spider because you couldn't
fit in the Cayman.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I couldn't fit in either of them, so fuck you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
You could fit in the Spider.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
You'd just be poking your head out the top like the
Toys R Us giraffe.
Yeah, no, that's true, that'strue.
I think I'd probably want theGT4 RS, For whatever reason.
That just seems to be a reallyspecial car and that's an
instance, I think, where Porschelistened to what the community
(01:00:40):
wanted.
They finally got that RSversion of that car before it
went EV.
I thought that was such a nicething for Porsche to do for the
enthusiasts.
I think I'd probably do thatout of nostalgia.
So listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I guess Just quickly, because, going back to the
conversation about sound, theGT4 RS and Spyder RS are two
really good examples of carsthat are not insanely loud for
the outside.
So they allow Porsche to passwhatever those sound tests are,
which get more and morestringent all the time.
Right?
So I know they're dealing withthat, but so they've done it in
(01:01:16):
such a way that from the outsideof the car it's not that loud,
but when you are the driver,what you're experiencing in the
cabin is pure motorsport.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Anyway, Good, Gotcha.
Well, thank you for checking infor another episode of Curb and
Canyon.
You guys Let us know when wepost this up on Instagram or we
get it online.
What would you choose?
Would you choose the GT4 RS orwould you choose the Spyder RS?
And don't let Andy's meddlingand influencer status swing you
to the Spys necessarilyInfluencer status.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I can't even influence my kids.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
See you in another video soon, guys, andy.
It's been a pleasure, andy, atLast Rasp.
I'm James from Auto Amateur.
Catch you soon.
Good to chat to you, see.
Ya, we'll see you next time,thank you.
james, can we do this ?
Can we do this fucking podcast?
Can we press?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
come on, I've been waiting for you all afternoon
like always waiting for me.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
If you could send an invite that was at the time we
agreed this wouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to kirby canyon oh, beautiful, what a
great way to start a podcast andI will say this week andy
gaughan, I'm very grateful forthe uh, the show notes that you
sent.
Thank you, you did it properlythis week.
(00:54):
Instead of just sending me acouple of characters for me to
interpret in a text message, youactually took, took the time to
put it on the curbing Canyonletterhead and in a document and
attach it to an email.
I'm feeling very taken care of.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I'm sorry that when I do all of the prep sometimes it
doesn't meet your standards.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, just you know, keep that in mind for the future
.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, you know, I was quite excited about recording
this one and I think you'd sentme a few articles.
I knew there was a few thingshappening that we could talk
about and so, while they weretop of mind, a couple of days
ago, when we agreed to do thepod, I thought you know what I'm
going to make the show notesnow.
So I don't forget anything.
And what I'm really excitedabout is I'm certain you will
(01:40):
have watched the video of theweek.
I have no doubt of this.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh, certain you will have watched the video of the
week.
I have no doubt of this.
Oh, I have, I have, I have, andyou know that I've already
given you shit.
For why?
Well, I've given you shit forpicking the video of the week,
because let's you know, let'sjust get straight to it.
Spoiler alert andy's chosenanother video with a 964.
We've got a beautiful 964.
The video comes second, butit's coming up soon.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, do you know what I know?
And I am trying I'm trying tonot post just 964 content.
I'm aware of this.
I don't want it to seem asthough I'm biased, even though I
am.
But hey, you know what?
We don't just have video of theweek to talk about today.
We've got some updates on ourown cars.
You just have video of the weekto talk about today.
(02:29):
We've got some updates on ourown cars.
You've been to a car event.
I've been to a car event.
We're going to talk about that.
We're going to talk about whatis going on at porsche.
What is going on with the evthing?
Job cuts yeah, it's.
Is this the end of our brand?
Is this, is it good night forporsche?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I don't think it's just that bad you know, porsche
and my car and our friendshipand this little bubble that we
live in.
It's the last thing that'skeeping me sane, with all the
shit that's going on around theworld, and especially in this
country, and by this country Imean America.
It's the last holdout, it's mysanctuary, and if that starts
(03:02):
going to shit, oh God, I mightas well just ask if I can join
him on the, the next rocketthat's going to go to mars well.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The good thing is, though, this is starting to feel
like a segue to the newpolitical podcast we're going to
be launching in just a fewweeks, I do think.
I do think just on that veryquickly.
And on the EV thing, I thinkit's really interesting, or
let's say ironic, that thepeople who bought Teslas as the
(03:34):
ultimate form of virtuesignaling are now getting rid of
their Teslas as the ultimateform of virtue signaling.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, right, right, or setting them on fire.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Hey, now what's going on?
You don't have, uh, there's nominnesota brown uh on set.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
No, no, there isn't um.
What I do have is uh an icedtea, which I've got right here,
good okay uh, and I've got somewater over here.
You know what I did thismorning.
I uh joined the hipster crewand I played pickleball.
Do you have pickleball inAustralia?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I know Exactly when you say the hipster crew, if
you're referring to people intheir mid-70s as hipsters.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh my God, dude, this place.
It's called Chips PickleballClub.
Come on, dude.
Inside it looks like hipsterparadise.
You've got people with oddmatching clothes, shaved hair
and giant beards playingpickleball, and on the side
there is a bar where you can getone of 20 different craft beers
(04:39):
and frothy vegetable-toppedcoffees.
And there's a gentleman in thecorner with a laptop bag that
looks like a bassoon case.
It's, but I did, I played.
I played pickleball thismorning.
Ruthie and I are trying to, youknow, come up with new dates,
new exciting things to do.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I'll be honest.
How did that work as a date?
Was it just you yelling at eachother the whole time?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, it was funny on the way there.
On the way there, she was likewell, you know, you've had this
heart problem and I'm a littlebit worried about your health
and I don't think you're wearingshoes that are supportive
enough and I'm I'm just worriedabout you and and I've been
playing pickleball recently.
So you know, just let's, wedon't have to play the whole
hour if you don't want to Dude.
Within about 30 seconds shediscovered that I'm awesome.
(05:29):
I am so good at pickleball.
It is.
I don't want to blow my owntrumpet, but I used to play a
lot of tennis as a kid.
Growing up, like in the summer,play loads of tennis, used to
play squash and you shouldn'tget this excited about smashing
your wife around metaphorically,uh, but I did.
I absolutely thrashed her.
(05:50):
When we got to 20 points to one, she stopped counting and went
very quiet and I tried to lether play and I just tried to,
you know, have a bit of back andforth, but every now and again
I just had to show who's boss doyou know what, as I'm looking
at you, i'm'm seeing a kind of aBoris Becker kind of vibe there
.
(06:12):
Well, it's the only time I canget to be boss, I guess, to be
perfectly honest.
So it felt good.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
That's amazing.
Well, do you know what?
I'm glad you don't haveMinnesota Brown.
My good friend Steve, who Iwould say is he appreciates the
finer things, has great taste ineverything.
He has said to me that everytime you use the phrase
Minnesota Brown it makes himquite sad.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
He's like it just sounds so sad.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I'm like I cannot argue with that, yeah it is
pretty sad.
So shall we stop talking aboutpickleball and shit coffee?
What is happening in the worldof Porsche, particularly what is
happening with your car, myfriend?
Anything New?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
exhausts.
No, nothing has happened withthe 991 in the last month,
unfortunately, apart from medriving it back from Amelia,
which we'll talk about in asecond.
But what I can say is that itperformed amazingly.
It was so good and I drove backfrom florida in one shot.
I did about 1400 miles and ittook me no, maybe 1300 miles and
(07:16):
it took me 21 hours and it wasjust non-stop gas stations,
toilet breaks, gas stations,toilet breaks for 21 hours.
But it was fantastic andactually it sort of proved to me
that the SportCats that I'vegot, with the valved X-pipe, are
(07:36):
going to work long term.
There was no uncomfortablenoise, no drone you know,
cruising, ripping it on and offof exit ramps.
Uh, it performed fantastically,uh, but I haven't done any mods
since I've gotten back.
In fact, I haven't even washedit I would say that is.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's the ultimate test of an exhaust, not in terms
of will it do the loud thingyou want it to do in the
twisties, but in terms of can Ijust live with it?
Yeah, doing 1300 miles offreeway, highway, nothing but
constant sitting at two and ahalf thousand revs, that's the
(08:15):
ultimate test for whether anexhaust is going to be
comfortable and tolerable overover that sort of travel.
So that's, that's a great testand a good result by the sounds
of things yeah, yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Um, and it was after a absolutely cracking weekend in
florida and and actually beforethat, in south carolina.
Uh, I got to you know, fill mycup with you, you would have
been impressed.
There were so many beautiful964s there like on display.
Yeah, just gorgeous, everyvariety you could possibly
(08:46):
imagine, lots of different,fantastic colors.
Um, I, of course, was moreexcited by the water-cooled
variety, and there were lots ofthose on display.
But I got to meet magnus walker.
I just did you randomly bumpedinto him and almost knocked him
over.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
What a massive thrill for him.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, it's absolutely no surprise that he
had no idea who I was, nor hadheard of my YouTube channel.
But I didn't volunteer.
Those things Hold on.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So did you say?
Do you know who I am?
No, have you not seen myyoutube channel?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
no, no, no, no, no.
But what?
What was funny was, as so Iclocked magnus walker, like
walking across this part of thegolf course, uh, where all the
cars are laid out, and I thoughtI can't see him properly.
But he's a guy in a floppy hatwith a beard.
It's got to be magnus walker.
And I'm doing that while thisother guy is talking to me
(09:46):
because he likes my youtubechannel.
He just like wandered up to meand was like, hey, it's james,
how you doing?
And he was talking to me aboutmy youtube channel.
So, as he started to saygoodbye to me and had not
clocked magnus walker, magnuswalker walked kind of up to me
and I looked up and I was like,oh, wow, uh, magnus walker, and
(10:07):
he said, yeah, who are you?
And I said, well, uh, I'm, I'mjames, and I've got like a
youtube channel and some peopleyou know, have recognized me and
he's like, oh, good for you.
But we had no, we had a nicelittle chat, you know, um, he's
a.
He's a yorkshireman, I guess Ifound out, um, I was born in
(10:29):
yorkshire he's from sheffield,no uh, maybe, yeah, sheffield
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm prettysure so we had the yorkshire
connection to talk about and uh,and then he, you know,
discovered that I'm I'm really ascouser, uh, you know, a little
five, five-minute chat, verynice.
He wandered off and I feltreally good for myself.
I felt like, wow, that was areally special moment.
And then I met up with my matesabout an hour later and all
(10:52):
three of them had selfies withMagnus Walker.
So it sort of brought me down apeg again and put me back to
where I belong, just witheveryone else.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Isn't that great that ?
Yeah, magnus is at this event.
And what's he doing?
Yeah, he probably wants to dohis own thing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But anyone who wants a selfie, anyone who wants a
chat, yeah, no problem yeah,yeah, absolutely just like he
just seemed to be a reallydown-to-earth, genuine, just
totally chill guy, I was veryimpressed why do you think?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
because magnus seems to be a somewhat polarizing
figure, right like.
Some people seem to like him,some people less.
So what?
Why do you think?
Why do you think that isbecause my view on it is, uh,
whether you uh agree with all ofhis stylistic choices or not,
you know, he's this guy whovisually and famously kind of
(11:51):
broke the mold of what a Porschedriver was supposed to look
like and be and, in a way, kindof established this
counterculture argument orversion of what we imagine
Porsche guys look like.
I've got nothing but goodthings to say or think about
Magnus.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
You know I'm on the same side of the fence.
I had absolutely you knownothing negative to say about
him before I met him.
I thought of him as an artistand an influencer and somebody
who is obviously very passionateabout what they do.
Um, I knew sort of less abouthis success, frankly, other than
(12:32):
he was just a guy that appearedin the total 9-11 magazines
every now and again, with anabsolutely epic car collection
um and and and now, now I've methim, I you think, yeah, just
validated what I assumed he wasgoing to be like really, and, to
be honest, I don't think I'vecome across really anybody in
(12:52):
real life that has anythingnegative to say about him.
Are you aware?
Is there?
You know, for every loverthere's a hater out there.
For Magnus Walker.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Look, do you know what?
That's a really interestingpoint because I've heard people
you more hear people talk aboutthat.
Others don't seem to like him,but yeah, I agree with you.
I'm not sure I've ever metanyone that's had a bad word to
say about him.
Now that I think about it.
But yeah, I read his book a fewyears ago.
Super interesting story.
(13:21):
His whole journey to LA and howhe built himself up over there,
you know, with his fashionlabel and all of these things is
is really pretty cool.
I remember hearing about himback before I had sort of gotten
back into the porsche world.
A friend of mine bought a 996and we were going mountain
(13:41):
biking together and in the caron the way home he was telling
me he'd seen Magnus' film theUrban Outlaw, which was quite a
bit of a game changer.
And so he's telling me aboutthis guy in LA with dreadlocks
and a beard and all this stuff.
And I was trying to picturethis cat right.
And it wasn't until years laterthat I started getting bitten
(14:04):
by the bug and started huntingfor Porsche content on YouTube
that I came across that film andI was like, oh, this is that
guy that my mate was telling meabout and yeah, I think his
story is really interesting.
His car collection's rad.
I mostly picture him witheither that 277 car or any of
his 930s.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
He had that minerva bloom 930 that's in one of his
one of his early films wherehe's banging around the streets
of la at night, you know it'slike three o'clock in the
morning it's yeah, yeah yeah,it's cool, it's really cool yeah
, yeah, he's just uh, it'sanother corner of the Porsche
community which just has its,you know, its own following, its
(14:47):
own kind of ethos, its its ownmentality, and it can just live
there and that's something Ijust love to continue to talk
about, my love for this Porschecommunity.
But you can, you can have acorner over here that's all
about outlaw cars and doing whatyou want with them.
You can have a corner over herethat's just about performance
racing and then tracking, whichmaybe fits sort of alongside it
(15:11):
adjacently.
And then you got the puristsover here that just want to buy
stock cars and drive stock carsand, and you know, collect them
or not.
And then you got everybody elsein between and everybody just
really seems to allow everybodyto exist.
You know, there's not one waythere's, no.
There's no one way of being aporsche person.
There's no one way of lovingthe brand and loving the cars,
(15:34):
because there are so manywell-established and proven you
know corners to this culturethat you can spend all your time
in, or some of your time in,and nobody really cares where.
You're, just there to enjoyyourself.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, that's so true.
There are a lot of different,let's say, tribes within the
Porsche community.
Right, and you find your ownthat you connect with, but,
equally, that doesn't mean youcan't connect with the others.
I always find that interestingwhen you go to a, let's say, an
event and you talk to someonewhose experience or lived
(16:10):
experience with the brand is socompletely different to yours.
Yeah, that's not the basis foran end to the conversation, it's
actually a catalyst for thebeginning of a conversation.
Right, right, why do you dothis?
Why did you make that decision?
Tell me about why you chosethis.
How do you use your car?
You know all of these thingsthat you can get into a
(16:34):
conversation with a person with.
And, yeah, you've got this onecommon theme in the middle of it
, which is, yeah, I love thebrand and I love the cars.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, yeah, love it, which is, yeah, I love the brand
and I love the cars.
Yeah, yeah, so cool.
So what?
What is amelia island?
I hear about amelia island allthe time.
It's some sort of event, justfor for the real, for the people
who are not in the states andand don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Just just tell me a bit about it well, for one, it
doesn't really feel like anisland, it's just a stretch of
land is it an?
actual island.
It is technically an island,but it's just a stretch of land.
Is it an actual island?
Besides it being on the ocean,just like the whole of the East
(17:22):
Coast of Florida is on the oceanyou wouldn't really think, oh
hey, I'm on an island.
You know, you go to thePhilippines or you go to Hawaii
and be like, oh yeah, I'm on anisland, but it's a pretty
affluent.
I would call it a retirementcommunity.
That's maybe a little harsh.
There are a lot of retirementcommunities there and a lot of
people that you know retire andmove to the coast of Florida,
(17:45):
and Amelia Island is one of them.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Hold up, hold up.
So when I asked what AmeliaIsland was, I probably wasn't
quite looking for the geographylesson, the makeup and the
demographic profile of theresidents.
I was more asking based on whatis Ameliaelia island as an
event?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
but actually it's really honestly, I think it's
relevant, I think it's importantokay, carry on because because
of the affluent nature of thepopulation.
It attracts people that havehigh-end cars right so I see if,
if you've got, if you've got aferrari or a porsche or a Lambo
and your hair's going gray andyou fancy a bit of golf, most
(18:27):
likely you'll know where AmeliaIsland is.
And so it attracts the carshows, it attracts major car
auctions, and this oneparticular weekend, porsche Club
of America, on the Friday, holda Works Reunion event, and
that's an all-day thing.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Works Reunion, that's what it is right.
Works Reunion, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Soday thing works, that's what it is right.
It's works reunion, that'sright.
So when I say I'm going toamelia it's really to attend
that works reunion event.
But over the saturday and thesunday there's a concord de
elegance uh car event with youknow all the high-end
old-fashioned classic cars youcan imagine and everything else
um.
There's a local cars and coffeewhich is essentially like
(19:07):
you're standing in a porsche andferrari dealership.
The cars there are phenomenaland people come from all over
and will park up to a couple ofmiles away on some dirt road to
walk to these events because theamount of cars there are so, so
incredible.
And then you've got the auctionsas well.
So you go to cars and coffee.
You go check in auction.
You see these three milliondollar vintage mercedes or 10
(19:30):
million dollar vintage you knowferraris that are about to go on
auction.
You get to look at them andmaybe not touch them.
And then you decide to go andsit on the beach for a little
bit and then you go to the nextcar show and the next car show.
And I've been three years in arow now and it's it's.
It's a really great weekend.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's really cool, whether you're a porsche fanatic
or any other car brand, butprimarily porsches amazing and I
assume people uh sort ofcongregate there from all over
the country, right like whetherthey fly over, drive yeah there,
as you did well, you got.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
You know people like magnus walker flying in from
California.
I drove in.
There were people there thathad driven in from Western
states, from New York.
Jay Reid was going to come infrom Connecticut there's a story
about that, I'll tell you aboutit in a second From Maine,
vermont.
There were even people fromCanada there.
Can you believe it?
The Canadians came to America.
(20:21):
We put an extra tariff on theirair ticket, but they still paid
it nonetheless.
So get this.
Jay Reid introduced me to thisevent and it was his idea
originally.
Hey, let's go down there, we'llmeet up and, you know, we'll do
Tale of the Dragon and then sixmonths later, we'll do Amelia
Island.
So Jay and I have been threeyears and this is now maybe our
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fourth year.
We've had the Airbnb booked formonths.
We've had this in the calendarfor months.
I'm getting text messages fromJay pretty early.
We're talking like over a weekaway from the event, saying,
like you know, he's gettinggeared up and he's starting to
pack.
And well, good for you, jay.
You know you're a prettyorganized guy.
Good lad, get on it Thursday.
(21:08):
The week before we got a photoof jay taking a selfie with his
son, having just gotten off thecar train in florida being like
so, chaps, are we going to meetup for lunch?
Oh my god.
We're like oh, that's reallyfunny, jay, yeah, yeah, we'll
see you next week.
And he's like what do you meannext week?
Gone there a week early, he gotthe date wrong and actually
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packed up, missed all the socialmedia, missed all the banter,
forgot the dates.
He arrived in florida on thecar train with his son, to no
event a week early, and he thatis amazing, I couldn't believe
it.
Honestly.
There were, like it was likefive or six of us in our, like
you know, amelia island porschechats and and the last guy to
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get involved was like wait aminute, we're doing it.
I've just been going back to100 messages that have just been
blowing up my phone.
I don't understand what's goingon, like it just it took about
an hour for it to really sink inthat.
No, actually he's there a weekearly oh my god so he decided to
go to disney world with his sonfor the weekend and stay in
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orlando, which is where thetrain drops off, instead of
going to the car event.
We tried to convince him tostay there for the week and meet
up with us later, but but alas,no, he couldn't do it planned,
so we were minus, uh, one glasswearing ginger head knobhead
there was just one that is quitehilarious.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I mean, I hear disney world is quite good oh, just
shoot me.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I've got no interest with disney world.
You, would, you, would you giveit a go?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I did disneyland in oh gosh 25 years ago, uh, with
kath.
It was that's good.
Yeah, I'm not a big theme parkguy.
If I'm honest, I'm not thatinterested in rides.
So yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I've got to bite thatbullet at some point and take
the kids to Disney World.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, you do.
Yeah, the kids want to do it.
Of course it's a rite ofpassage.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Anyway, so that that was Amelia Island.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Sounds good.
Sounds good.
Did you?
Did you manage to drive anytwisties in, either on the way
there or back?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
On the way there for a little bit.
I actually had my car shippedto Charleston, south Carolina,
to meet up with my friendChristian.
I was doing some other stuff inthe area so it was convenient
to do that.
So from from South Carolinadown to Florida, and Mark and
his son matthew were there aswell.
They're two guys that go on thetail of the dragon with us.
They live in north carolina.
For the first half of that tripwe were sort of I wouldn't call
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them twisties, but they weremore interesting country roads,
yep, um.
On the way back, um, for thefirst four or five hours I was
on really pretty cool twistiesgoing through florida and into
georgia, and then it was boring,boring, boring for like 12
hours, and then the last four orfive hours going through iran
(24:04):
and um, uh, wherever, whateverit is, what is it?
Where's chicago, illinois?
Uh, illinois and iowa.
It gets a bit interesting again.
But but honestly, nothingreally super exciting.
And yeah, fair enough it was.
It was a hard 21 hours reallyyeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
That's, um, that's quite a test of of the 911 as a
grand tourer.
At the end of the day, it'sit's still a sports car.
They're amazingly comfortableand they can munch miles well,
but it's not a.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's not a Bentley yeah, yeah didn't see a single
cop for a thousand miles, whichis pretty incredible really,
statistically, I think.
Yeah, on on highways, offhighways, you don't really see a
lot of them on on the roads,really, especially driving
through the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, but that was good, that was pretty good yeah,
yeah, nice, nice, well, I havebeen, I've been doing some work
on little green I have.
I have a rally coming up and wemay have spoken on the last pod
.
I've had this kind of groaningnoise coming from somewhere in
(25:25):
the steering and uh, I'mreasonably, yeah, associated
with the steering.
You know the front end of thecar.
I don't want to be thinkingabout that when I'm tipping the
car into a tight right hander atspeed with a sheer cliff face
facing me if I don't make theturn.
I don't be thinking about.
Is there something amiss?
The car went to nine autothey've.
(25:46):
They've looked over it.
Uh, nothing wrong.
But uh, the other problem waswhen I took it to them.
I, I think I said last time, Ihad one of those really annoying
experiences where the day Itook it to them it wasn't yeah
so of course they couldn'tdiagnose it, but it's actually
been really noisy the last fewtimes I've taken it out.
(26:07):
So I'm taking it back next weekwith the hope that they can at
least hear it, in which casethere might be a chance of
diagnosing it.
Having done some research and abit of a deep dive on RENLIST,
I'm not convinced that it's notthe steering rack.
And if it is the steering rack,I'll be really frustrated
because I actually replaced thatsteering rack in 2022.
(26:27):
So it certainly shouldn't havefailed, but anyway, let's see.
So it certainly shouldn't havefailed, but anyway, let's see.
And then the other thing isI've had this very specific
vibration through the shifter,and when I say very specific, I
mean if I'm sitting at, well,let's say, four and a half 5,000
RPM in third gear while goingaround a right-hand bend.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's pretty specific.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
And I'mhand bend.
That's pretty specific and I'mnot kidding, that's the
specificity of it.
There's this like just thiskind of rattling vibration
through the shifter.
So last weekend I thought maybeI'll take a look and see if
there's something amiss downthere.
So pulling off the 964 centerconsole is quite an easy job.
(27:16):
It's just a bunch of screwsanyone who's worked on that 964
center console knows they arevery prone to.
There's one bracket that alwayssnaps.
Mine has snapped many times,and both obviously before I
bought it and since I bought it.
So there's there's about 27different layers of glue where
this thing is snapped and itstill doesn't hold together,
(27:37):
anyway.
So then you take off theleather shift boot and then
beneath that and beneath thecenter console there's a rubber
shift gator, or boot or bellowsif you like, that sits over the
shifter and that's actuallyquite tricky to remove.
And then there's actually asecond one that sits below that.
So two rubber gaiters that Ithink largely exist to prevent
(28:00):
for NVH purposes, right?
So the second one, the one thatsits underneath the main one,
was just torn to shreds, likejust absolutely.
Oh no, yeah, it was justabsolutely, absolutely destroyed
, and I think what had happenedwas because I've got a sleepers
short shift kit and the.
The original uh, this originalbellows thing won't fit over
(28:24):
that properly, so clearly it'sbeen modified to go over that,
but it's been done in such a waythat it's just deteriorated
over time anyway.
So I've got all that backtogether.
I'm not I'm yet to drive it, soI don't know whether that uh,
third gear four and a halfthousand rpm, right hand bend,
uh vibration has been resolved,but we'll see.
(28:45):
But anyway it goes in mondayand hopefully we can find out
what the hell is wrong with thesteering, because I've got a
rally coming up in two weeks soI'd really rather not start the
rally with that in the back ofmy head is this another alpine
range rally or is this adifferent rally?
it is now alpine range rally 11.
Um, this one's come up reallyquick.
(29:06):
The last one was november andthis one's just suddenly here,
so really looking forward tothat.
Typically, I throw a lot intothe organization of these things
.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You know we do merch.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Last time I had everybody got obviously the
t-shirts, but then we had likebags for everyone with goodies
in them and stickers and decalsand all sorts of stuff.
That's fancy, yeah, which isreally cool At this time.
I sent a message to the groupabout a week ago and I said, hey
, lads, I've not even doneT-shirts, I just haven't had the
(29:40):
time and I'm kind of likingjust doing one where we can just
sneak out and do the drive, andthen the next one I'll do all
of the bells and whistles.
But I took my car to.
We had a big.
There's kind of this two-weekperiod in Melbourne where we
have a long weekend.
I think it's Labor Day.
I don't know what the longweekend is for.
(30:02):
It always creeps up on me.
I'm always like, oh wow, noone's working next Monday, cool.
And then the weekend followingis the Formula One Grand Prix.
Those two weekends in Melbourneare just like a party.
Melbourne just is popping offand so on the long weekend there
was a Porsche event called,imaginatively, porsches and
(30:24):
Coffee.
I think that's what it's called.
I think that's the name.
It's the most uninspiring nameever.
That's what it's called.
It's it's some.
I think that's the name.
It's the most uninspiring nameever in a world of luftkult, art
neun.
Uh checked out, like all ofthese cool names porsches and
coffees.
Not the most imaginative name,however, however, uh, massive
credit to the organizers.
(30:44):
The way this event works is theyblock off the main street in
south mel, which is just acouple of kilometres south of
the CBD, and it's just Porscheson a Sunday morning in this main
street and because it's justall parked on the street.
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It's an area where there areshops, there are cafes, there's
a market nearby, so you have somuch foot traffic and the event
just's.
I think the third year they'verun it and it was so busy, so
many people there, and it reallystruck me as I looked at the
cars that were, that were ondisplay parked.
(31:27):
You know you had everythingfrom old air-cooled cars to, you
know, a line of literally three, three or four current day
gt3rs's and everything inbetween.
I don't think there's anotherbrand that could pull this sort
of thing off and I think one ofthe reasons being that, you know
, if you think about uh, youknow other other brands in the
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category.
There's no, there's noentry-level ferrari or aston
martin or mclaren or lamborghini.
Do you know what I mean.
You can't buy.
There's not the twenty thousanddollar boxster equivalent for
those brands that make themtherefore accessible to a
broader range of people.
Who can then?
Who can then display the carsand you know it was so busy in
(32:12):
terms of the turnout of cars andpeople who wanted to have can
then display the cars, and youknow it was so busy in terms of
the turnout of cars and peoplewho wanted to have their cars
featured in there that some ofthe cars couldn't get in and I
was there with my mate out, mymate al, from flat six affair,
and he said, hey, you got tocome around some of these side
streets and him and my othermate, fraz, had been walking
around the side streets.
And you go down this one sidestreet and there's three 964s, a
(32:34):
911R, and then you go around acorner and there's an ST like
just parked in the middle ofthese tiny little side streets.
So that was super cool.
I mean, you know you talk aboutdifferent, let's say,
subcultures within the Porscheculture or Porsche community.
I always think it's interestingto see some of these really
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heavy hitter cars that that youcan tell have.
You know, you look at the frontof the car and it's.
It's never seen, course, chipasphalt.
It's never seen leaf litter onthe road, you know never.
A lot of them you can tell havebeen driven to Cars and Coffee.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So Cars and Coffee and that's sort of it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You know they are just so immaculate.
But there were some really coolcars there, some great old
air-cooled cars.
To be honest, one of the carsthat really stood out, I just I
love the Spiders Spider, rs oreven just a regular Spider.
They just there's somethingabout the way those cars look.
The more I see them, the more Ithink that's a car I would love
(33:39):
to have a go in.
I think that would just be sucha fun car to drive.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
let's come back to that in a second um, because I
got a question for you.
But uh, that made me think of acar I saw in Amelia.
It was the first ST that I'veseen in the flesh and it was the
release color, whatever thatlight kind of sign Is it shore
blue, I think it's called.
Whatever it is, yeah, it's likethat silvery, shimmery kind of
(34:04):
blue color.
I just happened to park a fewcars down from it in the stretch
in the corral.
Got talking to the owner ownerand he's the exact opposite.
He's put like 10 000 miles onthat car in about six months and
he drove down to florida from Ithink it was somewhere in the
midwest and then he's about todrive it over to the rockies and
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out to california and then he'splanning on driving it back to
the east coast and he's like I'mgonna have 50 000 miles on this
by the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I drive my cars and he's probably retired.
His wife was there with him andshe told me on the side that
he's got another three at homewhich probably aren't seeing the
light of day, but at least thatcar.
He was there and you could seethat there was a rock chip on
the front.
You know it's.
It's a car that's been driven.
There are dead bugs all over it, you know he just didn't care
(34:57):
he was.
He was there to see everyeverybody's else, everyone
else's car.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
You know, that was pretty phenomenal that is so
cool, you know I'll never forget.
My mate anthony said, uh, whenthe st came out and we were
really excited about them.
I remember you know that launchthere was that, yeah, that light
blue, and then there was justthe black one and I remember
seeing just I just rememberseeing that black one thinking
it's so simple, so classic, thatwould be my spec, I would just
(35:24):
get that.
And I remember talking with himabout it and he said we will
never see one of these in thetwisties at home.
We'll never see one up reefedand spur or one of these other
roads we drive.
And I thought he's right, youwon't and it's such a shame,
because because you know, I justthink and you know, hey, to
(35:44):
each their own right.
We've all got our own way.
We experience these cars.
But you know, you think about,if you had the opportunity to
buy an st, what would you dowith it?
You'd be like all right, I amplanning my tale of the dragon
journey.
Yeah, specifically, so I canspend four days tearing around
the twisties in this thing andexperiencing it, the way it's
(36:05):
meant to be experienced.
Like I say, it's.
Um, I'm not saying one way isright or wrong, but one way is
right and one way is wrong, yeahdefinitely.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But you know, that's one of the reasons why I've got
so much respect for my mate,Chris.
You know, whether it was his991.1 Turbo or his GT3 Touring,
he takes good care of that andit's always spotless and he
wants it to stay looking factoryfresh.
But he's driven it to tell thedragon and back and he's going
to do it again, and he's goingto do it again and again and
again.
And he just wants to.
He wants to experience that caron a road the way it's supposed
(36:40):
to be driven, even though hedoesn't.
You know, he doesn't reallywant to put too many miles on it
, but it's the experience,ultimately, that I can.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I can so relate to the way chris goes about it,
because one of the things Ithink there's a narrative that
emerges sometimes around peoplewho wash and detail their cars
that oh yeah, you, you don'tactually drive it, you're just
detailing it all the time, whichis such horse shit like I've,
you know I think about.
Do I wash and detail my car alot?
Yeah, I do.
(37:13):
I love doing it.
I love the car to lookabsolutely as spectacular as
it's possible for it to look,but at the same time, I don't
think I know anyone who's put asmany miles on their 964, I mean
, at least, or their Porsche ingeneral, at least in my group,
as me, I drive the thing all thetime, all the time.
(37:36):
So yeah fuck the haters.
If you're washing your car,that's totally okay with me.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and I am
definitely not one that washesmy car all the time, but I do
appreciate when it is.
I like you know you, everybodyknows that I like to tinker with
my car and get the exhaust onit and get the exhaust on and
off, and that sort of thrill of.
(38:03):
This is my car, this is mysetup.
There are cheaper cars, thereare more expensive cars, but
this one's mine and it's it'sgoing to be driven the way I
want it to be driven and I'mactually just going to get it
out and try and get the most outof it as much as I can, whether
it's yeah, whether it's thesound, whether it's the setup,
the look, whatever it is.
But that's actually a goodsegue onto our next agenda topic
(38:23):
, which is sound yeah, okay, soit is a great segue.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I was we've had a lot of hot weather here in
Melbourne and I went out for icecream with my family and I was
sitting there having ice creamand this dude pulls up in a new
KN GTS and he runs in, grabs icecream with his girlfriend and
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then they jump back in the carand drive off.
You should have heard thisthing.
It sounded so good.
Right, and it's yeah, sure it'sa V8.
It sounded incredible.
And then I saw another CayenneGTS a few days later, same thing
, and it got me thinking.
Right, you have, porsche has aluxury SUV in their stable that
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sounds better than the 911.
Now, granted, that car's a V8,right, I get it.
A V8's always going to soundterrific.
It's why AMG C63 sounds so good, because they've got a rumbling
V8.
But I look at what you've donewith your car, the
experimentation you've done tofind a combination that is
(39:37):
usable on a daily driver kind ofbasis.
Where you can, it's comfortableand nice to be in, but that is
also loud when you when you wanta sports car and, let's be
honest, the 911 is a sports car.
So I know there are limitations, I understand that and I know
that there's there's there'srules and regulations in europe,
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the particulate filters, all ofthese things that that make it
difficult.
But it seems to me that otherbrands, be it audi, bmw,
mercedes, all somehow managed tomake cars in their range have a
sound, whether it's good or bad, but are able to deliver volume
(40:20):
in that sound.
And Porsche are able to do itwith other cars in the range.
So surely the flagship 911 as asports car, if you get the PSE,
if you get the Porsche sportsexhaust, should be loud enough
that it sounds like a sports car.
Discuss.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
All right.
Well, I think the latergenerations of 911 with the PSE
even mine the 991.2, thatfactory PSE, arguably, is good
enough.
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
It's not, it's not.
No, it's not, but it is.
For me it's not no way.
No, it's not, but it is.
For me it's not no way.
No, I've driven the GTS, I'vedriven the Carrera T.
You drive those cars in anger.
You can't hear it.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
You just can't hear it.
So let me go back to where Iwas headed, which is what was
the 911 designed for?
It's designed for driving.
It's designed for performance.
Okay, so that talks to theaerodynamics, that talks to the
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setup, that talks to the powerthe engine puts out.
None of that necessarilytranslates directly to it's got
to be loud.
Now, I think the flat six enginewhether you've got that in the
porsche, flat six, whetheryou've got a factory exhaust
without valves or you've got,you know, a custom setup the
sound of a flat six porsche isunmistakable, just like a v8 and
(41:45):
a v10 are unmistakable.
But I guess my question is whendid sound become really
important?
Because I don't think sound isdirectly relevant to the first
couple of objectives of why the911 is even here in the first
place, which is about drivingexperience and quality and power
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and performance.
Sound, I don't think, isdirectly linked to any of those.
Sound is something that thefanboys have added on because
the F1 cars sound great, orsound has been added on because
the Porsche Le Mans car sounds acertain way, and now I've got
to have my car sounding likethat.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Where did sound become important?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Hold on If you're trying to derail my highly
emotional argument with facts,logic and intelligently put
points.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
I'm very disappointed at that.
Someone's got to do it.
Okay, you make good points.
Let's say one of the reasonsfor the enduring success of the
911 is that it is the genuinedaily driver sports car.
Right, it, it, it's, it's a,it's a sports car that, and, in
fact, most people who buy a 911daily it, they buy it to daily
(43:06):
it, right?
So, unless they're buying a GTproduct and let me just let me
categorically state GTdepartment cars are irrelevant
to this conversation, because,yes, if you've bought a GT3,
that sounds fantastic.
So that's one thing.
Well, I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about Carreras,carrera Ts, et cetera.
(43:31):
So, yes, they are supposed tobe able to be daily driven and
even that means that there isonly so much you can do with
with, with volume, because it'sgot to be usable on a daily
basis.
But I think about, for example,even the na991, so the first
gen 991s.
If you have the factory sportsexhaust on that, I think that's
actually sufficient.
(43:51):
You could sufficient, it couldbe a little bit louder if you're
an enthusiast, but for mostpeople the factory sports
exhaust is enough and Iunderstand that once they move
to the turbocharged engine thatis harder to extract some level
of sound out of it.
But the reason that sound isimportant is that you're looking
(44:12):
for, or I think, a sports caris about a visceral experience.
It's about creating anexperience that has a link, be
it strong or otherwise, to themotorsport heritage of the brand
.
Now, a lot of these other brandsI talk about, they don't have
the motorsport heritage thatthat that porsche does.
(44:34):
They may do to a to a lesserextent, but you know, the 911 is
a sports car that has won inevery category, from rally to
endurance racing.
It.
It is this, you know, thisincredible, storiedied,
successful motorsport car.
I just think surely part of theprocess of building and
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designing those cars he saidfrom the comfort of his study,
having never built or designedanything should include hey, how
do we make the Porsche sportsexhaust, the person who ticks
that box, who looks for thatoption?
Let's give them that option.
Let's make it that when you hitthe binoculars button.
Yeah, it's a significantdifference and I don't think
(45:22):
it's enough.
And I think it's interestingthat other cars in their range,
I think, sound better than theflagship sports car.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, I can get on board with a lot of that, but I
think culture is a big part ofit as well and I think if
porsches were italian and thatsort of more flamboyant, that
more sort of flamboyant um, I'mnot saying it has to be
lamborghini- no, no one wants.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
No one wants to turn a regular 911 into Lamborghinis,
right Some?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
people do.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
No, I mean I think you know Lamborghini, the guys
who drive Lamborghinis, they'rejet ski people right Like they
go to the beach and just annoythe fuck out of everybody.
So no you don't want that.
But you look at what you'vebeen able to do on your car it's
20%.
It's just some volume just tohey I'm driving a sports car
(46:15):
yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well, I wonder what.
How much of it is also businessstrategy, because I bet you
porsche's business strategy hasnever been about okay.
Well, in 10 years time, whenthese cars depreciate and people
like james and andy buy them,they're gonna want to do
something to the sound.
It's.
It's the people that can showup with 150,000 dollars worth in
cash and buy a carrera.
(46:36):
They are saving the sound.
They are saving that visceralexperience for the gt cars,
because that person who turns upwith 150,000 dollars in cash,
with the right push or mighttickle on the bum from a good
looking associate, might bewilling to pony up another
hundred grand to go and walk outwith a turbo s or a gt3 or a
(46:59):
gt3 rs not that the turbo snecessarily has the best sound
in the world, but I maybe, maybethat's part of it, which is
they're being selective.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
We're going to save the best sound for the people
that show up with 200 grand oror more to buy the gt range but
look, I I think there'ssomething in that, and I also
think there's something in theidea of you know, you talk about
it being business strategy.
I think that's true.
I think brand new carreras andcarrera s's aren't actually
aimed at people like you and me,right?
(47:29):
So if the sound was louder, ifit was more, quote-unquote,
visceral, what they mightactually do is put off their
core target audience, their coretarget audience being the
person who wants to use the caron a daily basis.
I still think, though, if youlook at the success of cars like
(47:49):
the AMGs, I still think there'san argument that the person who
wants it as a daily driver andis willing to tick the box to
say, wants a sports exhaust,that that could be tweaked and
pushed a little harder.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Well, and so this is where we segue into the next
conversation, which is what onearth is happening at Porsche?
What is happening at Porsche?
What's going on I mean, it'snot just Porsche as well, I
think in the news recently, thearticle that we were going to
talk about was something like3,000 or 4,000 jobs between now
and 2029 are going to get cutfrom Porsche.
(48:24):
Did you know that it's nearly50,000 of the workforce that are
being cut from across the VWgroup, which includes audi and
and the other brands that sortof live there?
That's 50 000 people from theworkforce.
What is the?
Is the demand for porsches andsports cars suddenly tanking?
And have I missed that memo?
(48:44):
Like what?
I don't get it no, I I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
The only theory I can can put it down to is there's
obviously a proliferation ofvehicles out of China.
In the last 10 years, thequality of those vehicles has
rapidly improved to the pointwhere now it's not a matter of I
(49:08):
will buy a Chinese vehicle.
Yes, it will cost me a lot less.
Yes, it'll be poorer qualitythan what I might get out of
europe, but it'll cost me a lotless, I think that is now
changing to the point where thequality has improved, uh, in
leaps and bounds, and so it'snow a genuine competitor and and
(49:29):
I think then there's the uptakeof of electric, particularly
for premium brands just hasn'tmet the expectations of these
brands and that's I don't know.
To me that's not a big surprise.
I think if you can buy achinese made ev that costs I
(49:54):
don't know, 20 less, even maybe20 of the price of of something
out of europe, why would you not?
Because you're not.
I think for the most part,people who are buying evs are
buying them for um, you're not acar enthusiast buying an EV
Gross generalization, I know,but you're buying it from a very
(50:17):
different mindset.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I can get behind that sentiment.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I would agree generally yeah, and also and
think about something like theTaycan or you know if you're
thinking about, say, audi, forexample the e-tron GT.
I'm sure these cars arebrilliant, but if you look at
the second hand market for them,the depreciation is insane,
(50:42):
insane.
So why would you hand over thekind of money it takes to drive
one of those cars new off thelot, knowing what a depreciation
hit you're going to get?
And you know, I've seen there'sarticles about people who have
bought a tycan, then tried totrade it at porsche for another
vehicle and literally porschehave said we won't buy it back.
(51:03):
And when you think about it I I,the way I see it is an ev is
well, it's a, it's a, it's apiece of digital technology,
right?
So in a lot of respects, an evis a device, and by that I mean
in the same way that your iphoneis a device.
(51:24):
It is driven entirely bytechnology that will gradually,
over time, be superseded andmade redundant.
A 3.6-litre flat-six enginefrom 30 years ago, or from 12
years ago, is still going to bedrivable and relevant in another
(51:46):
20 or 30 years, as long as youcan fuel it.
A car driven by four lithiumbatteries that are past their um
, their service life, what isthat?
I mean?
you don't, you don't pull outyour iphone 6 on a sunday
morning and say hey, let's, uh,let's just for old time's sake
(52:06):
get on the old ios and see howit goes.
Right, like you don't well.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
And also, you don't try and replace the batteries in
your iphone.
When the battery starts goingdown, you go and just get a new
iphone, correct?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
So that right, right.
And so I mean I.
I was even looking at taikansthe other day, um, because I saw
one on the street and I thoughtwhat they were?
I, I saw it.
I think it was the four thatwas going for 120 000 three
years ago, years ago.
It's now worth $20,000.
I could have got that, I mean,to be fair, I had 100,000 miles
on it, but still I could bedriving around in a brand new
(52:38):
looking Taycan for 20 grand.
That's incredible.
But going back to the worstworkforce reduction and the
layoffs that I read, I think itwas the same day that I sent you
that article, that I also sentyou the other article which
talks about how porsche is goingto be introducing even more
cars into the lineup and there'sgoing to be a fully electric
(53:01):
cayenne.
There's going to be additionalgas fuel models now.
So they they may very wellreintroduce a boxster and a
cayman with a petrol engine inthe future.
So on the one hand, you've gotthem laying off thousands of
people and on the other hand,you've got them talking about
introducing all of these newcars that are going to continue
to sort of beef out the range.
I don't know enough about howcar manufacturers work to figure
(53:24):
out how those two thingsreconcile.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Neither I think.
The fact is that, you know, thecar industry right now is in a
state of tremendous flux.
The transition to EV has nothappened with either the pace or
in the way that manufacturershad expected, partly because of
the influx of Chinesemanufactured EVs, partly because
(53:49):
of reticence on behalf ofconsumers to buy the premium EVs
, which has left them in adifficult position.
And so, you know, if you look atthe rumors that are swirling
currently about the 718replacement codenamed the 983,
which is supposed to be EV onlyBoxster and Cayman, that seems
(54:12):
to have stalled, and there's allsorts of reasons being touted
right, and one is actually thatthe manufacturer of the
batteries that were going to beused, a company called Northvolt
, is right now desperate for acash infusion and is facing
insolvency, which is a problemthat Porsche actually had with
the battery manufacturer thatthey worked with on the hybrid
(54:34):
911.
So that certainly pushed thingsout, but you know that, just
then, I think, fuels rumorsaround.
Well, okay, a Porschereconsidering whether only EV
option for Cayman and Boxster isgenuinely the way forward, or
will that kill, you know, two ofthe most beloved cars in the
(54:58):
Porsche history, yeah, yeah yeah, well, look, let's put the EVs
to one side and let's talk abouteverybody's favourite,
especially your favourite, andyit's the 964.
especially your favorite, andy,it's the 964.
Okay, all right, let's talkvideo of the week.
Now here's the thing.
Right, I didn't do this becauseit's a 964.
(55:18):
I did it because I happen tothink it's a really great video.
And first I actually want toshout out to me and the boy and
girl on Instagram who suggesteda video to me a couple of days
ago from the same contentcreator who's made this video.
This, this came up for me.
I mean I 964.
Content on youtube alwaysappears, but I also saw it on on
(55:41):
ren list.
It was featured on ren list ornot featured, but just in the
964 chat on ren list.
It's called uh, one car for itall and it tells the story of an
imported 964 C2 coupe.
The YouTube channel is calledCar Tales and it's such a good
964.
It's beautifully built.
(56:02):
It's been made, or, let's say,rebuilt and redone by Joey
Seeley at Emotion Engineering.
Joey's just one of these guyswho, as know, as someone living
in Australia, I always thinkthere's certain people who, if I
lived in the States or if I wasin California in particular,
they'd be the people I wouldsend my car to, and Joey's
certainly one of those people inthe air-cooled world 3.8 litre,
(56:25):
ohlin, suspension, 993, big redbrakes.
It's got a carbon fibre deck,lid and wing and if you've ever
seen any of the videos aboutjoey seely's car, project nasty,
he's got this same carbon fiberwhale tail and apparently the
mold snapped.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
So those, those two cars are the only cars that have
these carbon fiber whale tails.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
it's just, it's nicely done.
It's a great looking car shotsomewhere in Northern California
in some beautiful forests.
It just I don't know, it mademe want to get out and drive,
and that's what I look for in avideo.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Well, I can get behind all of that Definitely,
and you know I like a big, agood bit of carbon fiber.
But it was just another videothat made me feel bad about my
life, andy, because's set, likeyou said, on these incredible
twisty roads, in this beautifulmountain wilderness with the
trees and the sound of nature,and I'm sat here in the
cornfields of the freakingmidwest with my straight roads.
(57:22):
But no, it was.
It was a really, really goodvideo, um, but I this.
This is nothing to do with thevideo, but the name of the video
sort of gave me a bit of a lordof the rings vibe and that
immediately sort of just put meoff one one car to rule them all
.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Uh but no, yeah, very , very good you know, I agree, I
think the name is a little bityeah I'll, I'll.
Speaker 2 (57:52):
I'm going to be hoping for a water-cooled I'm
not even going to say 991.2, butat least a water-cooled
recommendation for the next one,if I don't beat you to it first
.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
My last one was water-cooled.
Yeah, to be fair, it was.
It was one of the Soul Drivesvideos that was water-cooled.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, I've actually since subscribed to that channel
and I've enjoyed a lot of hiscontent.
Soul Drives.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, he did a cracking video, I think, this
week, where he's in because he'sgot a 991.1, just C4, but
manual, and he's chasing a GT4RS Again through the Black
Forest in Germany.
These European videos, they'rejust.
(58:35):
The light is so good, the roadsare so open.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, yeah, well, look, before we wrap this up, I
did halfway through the show,said that I had a question for
you and I want to go back to it,because you said you really
like the look of the spiders.
And in Amelia, going all theway back to the beginning in
Amelia I saw my fair share ofspiders, but I did see my fair
share of GT4s and actually therewas a GT4 RS there which looked
(59:04):
incredible.
So I know you loved your GT4.
Let's just put the GT4s off fora second.
If someone came up to you andsaid, andy, I've got a brand new
gz4rs and I've also got thisbrand new spider rs, is there a
spider rs?
Speaker 1 (59:22):
there is yeah yeah, there is.
Speaker 2 (59:24):
Which one would you take?
Speaker 1 (59:28):
I don't know, g Gee whiz.
Do you know what?
I think I'd take the Spyder RS.
Really, I do, really, Iactually do.
I think you know everythingI've read or seen with the GT4
RS.
Obviously the sound is insaneto the level of some people find
it just way too much and tooloud.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
So I feel like it's a car either way that you
wouldn't have long term.
So hey, you know what?
Why not deal with thatridiculous roof and just go all
out and have a Spider RS Nice?
Yeah, I think that'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Nice, nice, nice and you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
You'd probably need the Spider because you couldn't
fit in the Cayman.
Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I couldn't fit in either of them, so fuck you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
You could fit in the Spider.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
You'd just be poking your head out the top like the
Toys R Us giraffe.
Yeah, no, that's true, that'strue.
I think I'd probably want theGT4 RS, For whatever reason.
That just seems to be a reallyspecial car and that's an
instance, I think, where Porschelistened to what the community
(01:00:40):
wanted.
They finally got that RSversion of that car before it
went EV.
I thought that was such a nicething for Porsche to do for the
enthusiasts.
I think I'd probably do thatout of nostalgia.
So listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I guess Just quickly, because, going back to the
conversation about sound, theGT4 RS and Spyder RS are two
really good examples of carsthat are not insanely loud for
the outside.
So they allow Porsche to passwhatever those sound tests are,
which get more and morestringent all the time.
Right?
So I know they're dealing withthat, but so they've done it in
(01:01:16):
such a way that from the outsideof the car it's not that loud,
but when you are the driver,what you're experiencing in the
cabin is pure motorsport.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Anyway, Good, Gotcha.
Well, thank you for checking infor another episode of Curb and
Canyon.
You guys Let us know when wepost this up on Instagram or we
get it online.
What would you choose?
Would you choose the GT4 RS orwould you choose the Spyder RS?
And don't let Andy's meddlingand influencer status swing you
to the Spys necessarilyInfluencer status.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I can't even influence my kids.
Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
See you in another video soon, guys, andy.
It's been a pleasure, andy, atLast Rasp.
I'm James from Auto Amateur.
Catch you soon.
Good to chat to you, see.
Ya, we'll see you next time,thank you.
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