Porsche nostalgia, road trip adventures, the art of customization and just calm the f*** down!

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Welcome to another episode of Curb and Canyon! Come along with us as we reflect on a recent local car show that stirred up nostalgia-filled emotions with some epic examples of truly classic Porsches.

Swapping car show tales for adventure stories, we recount recent road trips and the thrill of maneuvering through curving backroads both through the Rocky Mountains of Colorado and Wyoming for James as well the Aussie bush for Andy. We also dive deep into a detailed chat about the intricacies of the 991 generations. For those Porsche nuts who love to compare, we've got you covered. 

Wrapping up the episode, we tackle a rather philosophical question - do we all need to calm the f*** down with Porsche?? Tune in, kick back and let's talk!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
James McGraw, I am recording.
Are you recording?
I am.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I am.
I am recording.
Can I speak?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I don't know I can hear you, so I'm happy.
And yes, you can indeed speak,my good friend let's get it on.
It has.

(00:44):
It's been a few weeks, hasn'tit?
But do you know what?
We did actually catch up,though, on another podcast, did
we not?
Yeah, we did with the goodfolks over at the Porsche talk
podcast, mark and Ashma.
That was great, catching upwith those dudes.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
It was.
It was a lot of fun that thecarbon canyon takeover.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Although I must confess I felt bad because I
recorded the way we normallyrecord, but then Mark said it's
not dying about, it's all good,I've got it sorted.
And then I listen back and I'mlike oh man, my audio quality
was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh man, yeah, well, you know it is what it is.
It's such great guys and what agreat podcast and actually,
with Mark being over in theStates this this past week at
Rensport reunion, he's he's had,you know, quite a few, quite a
few good run ins.
Have you been following him onsocial media?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I have, I see he, I see he even managed to record a
pod with the one and only MattFarah.
That's, that's a great get.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I know right, so cool yeah, really really cool yeah
yeah so what we got on ouragenda today?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh plenty, school car shows your new car little green
update.
I want to talk about the winterrally.
I'm going to ask aphilosophical question and then
we're going to talk about yourvideo of the week my yeah,
there's a funny story behindthat little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
My video of the week quote unquote, but that's gonna
be.
It is good video.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
So, just so you know, I've not updated the show notes
from when I wrote these, from afew weeks ago, when we're going
to record.
So the show notes actuallyinclude a different video of the
week.
So it'll be interesting to seeif you can just bring the ad lib
magic when we get to the videoof the week segment.
I have high hopes.
I'm really looking forward toit.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, we've got loads of time before we get to video
of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Everyone will have tuned out by then, don't worry.
Well, let's talk about a schoolcar show.
This is a.
This is one out of the box forme.
If there's one thing I neverthought I would be attending, it
was a car meet at a school, andwriter's school, which is a

(03:04):
primary and high school, so Iguess that's the equivalent, if
you're in the states, of junior,middle and high school, all in
one had a school car show forFather's Day, and it was.
It was incredible.
There was, there was live music, there was barbecue, there was

(03:25):
a great mix of cars, you knowthere were.
There were Lamborghinis, therewere lotuses, there were minis,
there was all sorts of stuff,but there was a.
There's a 991 GT3 RS, there wasa 73 9-11, there was a guards
red 9-30 and, of course, Irolled up in little green and
you know, I think one of thereally cool things was it was a

(03:46):
great vibe, not too many carsand this whole thing.
It actually it was the idea ofone of the students, a dude
named A'Shan.
So shout out to you, good sir,that's, you know, one hell of an
effort to pull that togetherand it was.
It was a really cool thing togo to my son's school, roll up
with the car and walk aroundchatting to like-minded car

(04:07):
enthusiasts.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, that's awesome, did you?
Did you say a guards red 9-30?
I did, I did.
Wow, I mean that's, that'squite a special car.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
It's a very that's like 80s poster car, right like
it really does just tick, tickall the boxes.
In terms of that, I don't know,just the whole sort of
stereotypical Porsche from the80s.
That's the car, right like ared one or a black one, pretty
much yeah, yeah absolutely,that's so cool.

(04:37):
Yeah, yeah, I was hoping to get.
There was a.
There was a people's choiceaward and I was.
I was hoping maybe little greenmight might come through it,
come through with the goods andtake home the Chockeys.
But no, sadly.
To be honest, when I rolled inI thought I could be, I could be

(04:57):
a chance here.
But then there was a 4488 or458 I'm not good with my
Ferraris but also there was apurple Lamborghini Aventador
there.
I think it was an Aventador andI thought as soon as I saw that
, I thought that's like it's aschool.

(05:17):
Kids just obviously go nuts forLamborghinis.
And sure enough that that cartook the win.
Not not surprisingly, notsurprising, yeah, but yeah, it
was great and just great vibes.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know it's funny whenever I take Luke and Adam to
the cars and coffee meats andyou know, even just the Porsche,
only car shows.
Yeah, they know how much I lovePorsche and they understand
that I have a Porsche.
It's like, hey guys, are youexcited about today?
Yeah, will there be anyLamborghinis?

(05:51):
All they want to see theLamborghinis.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Of course, of course.
But think about it.
I mean, like, even for me as akid, you know I would see
Porsches, I would see 9-Elevensaround.
You never saw a Lamborghini.
You saw it literally at thestart of the cannonball run
which my brother and I used towatch every Saturday night, and
that was it.
You'd never saw one in reallife.

(06:19):
They may as well have been aspaceship.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
So, yeah, to see one when you're a kid, that's pretty
special, yeah yeah, well, Imean, if I saw a guards raid 930
to me right now and as a longtime you know Porsche fan boy, I
think that would have blown mymind yeah, yeah, it was pretty
sweet and actually the the GT3RS I think from memory, was a
lava orange 991 Gen 1 andthere's something about a lava

(06:44):
orange GT3 RS.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think the first 991 GT3 RS I ever saw was lava
orange, so to me it's in thatcar.
That's the color.
Yeah and yeah, just looked,just looked ace, looked so so
yeah yeah, I'm just trying tothink out of frame of the GT.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
You know it was a GT3 in lava orange, but even so,
you know, wasn't the RS, but itwas just absolutely, absolutely
stunning, absolutely electricwell, so that's pretty cool, so
is this gonna become like anannual event in your part of the
bush.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Look it may be.
I'm not sure, because I knowthat again.
Ashana, I think he is in hisfinal year of school this year,
so whether somebody picks up themantle and runs with it next
year only time will tell.
I think they did do it lastyear, though.
So anyway, fingers crossed.
It was a.
It was a really cool event, andI don't get along to that many

(07:45):
car meets, and so to go to onethat was in the afternoon it was
a beautiful day actually thatjust had a really cool vibe and,
like I say, live music and thelive music was all was all done
by the students, so it just Idon't know just had this real
cool laid back sort of communityvibe to it.
It wasn't really so much aboutthe cars, it was just a cool, a

(08:09):
cool event to go and do and andreally well run.
So, yeah, hats off and congratsto the school for doing yeah,
yeah, that's awesome good job,good job so I see you've been
well.
I mean, what do we wait?
What are we calling the new car?
Did we decide?
We talked about this with Markand Ashma.
Where do we land?
Bluey-tooie, he's the thing Ican't like.

(08:32):
I want to just sit here andtear shreds off you for how lame
that name is.
But yeah, my car's calledlittle green because literally
when, when I first had it, everytime we'd go anywhere the kids
would ask me.
They basically wanted to knowif we were taking the 964 or my
Jeep, which is white, and theyjust say, are we going in big

(08:54):
white or little green?
So it just became little green.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
So that's no, no more creative than bluey-tooie you
know what, I would be perfectlyhappy if someone came up with
another name and anothersuggestion.
But yeah, bluey-tooie justseemed to be funny and, just you
know, kind of flows off thetongue.
Yeah, I love it so have you it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We're driving.
What have you?
What have we done?
Done?
Some put some miles well.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I have actually, yeah , and this is the one bomber
actually to report back is thatI didn't make it to Rensport
reunion is I tried, gave it areally good go.
So I was out in the 991, out inbluey-tooie, still managed to
do just over 2000 miles.

(09:41):
Day one drove down fromMinnesota to Kansas City.
I met it with my friend,michael of Michael Motor and
Meets fame on on YouTube, yeah,who didn't come in?
His martini livery covered 996because he sold it.
He arrived in his.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I think that counts for sale.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Right, go for sale.
Gone, it's gone.
Well, I think he got bit by thebook.
You know, because, because wetalk a lot and and no-transcript
.
I think you know jay readrecently sold a car and chris
sold a car and michael is likethe only one who hasn't yet sold
a car series like well, youknow fuck you guys.

(10:25):
But he arrived in his off-roadcapable cayenne, you know,
jacked up, amazing, amazingtires, amazing wheels.
You know he's got the, he's gotthe skid plates, he's got the
front bumper in the rear bumper,kind of you know, it's just,
it's it's tight, really good genone cayenne off-road.

(10:45):
So he and I left from KansasCity and then drove to Denver
the next day, you know, reallyreally nice drive.
But on day three I was startingto get reports from home that
my middle son, adam, was playingup and he and I really close
and yada, yada, yada.
Long story short, I got halfwaythrough the Rockies and I was
just like Michael, I'm gonnahave to turn around, like I can

(11:09):
have to just go home see my boy.
So I did the right move with,you know dad, life and it took
me it's do.
You know it took me the bestpart of two days to get home
from the Rocky Mountains.
But instead of a nine day tripvia California and rent sport
reunion ended up doing a fourday trip just by the Rockies and

(11:29):
made it home.
But anyway, the 991 performed sowell.
It is such a nice car to drive.
I just I absolutely love it andI'll talk more about it in a
second.
But what I do want to say iswhen we got to Brackenridge in
the middle of the RockyMountains, michael was starting

(11:50):
to talk on the radio aboutwouldn't it be good if we could
find some off-road kind ofadventure, and it just so
happened that we passed the headof a trail.
I parked my car on the side ofthe road in the middle of the
mountains, jumped in withMichael and we spent the best
part of an hour or so drivingdude up this Boulder laden

(12:13):
passage in the mountains.
He was driving and I was in thepassenger seat with the drone
and it was awesome.
After share some of the footagewith you, he did really well.
I'm just amazed at how well Ican perform, but I tell you what
.
It's pretty difficult trying tonavigate trees and boulders

(12:34):
with a drone when you sat in thepassenger seat being thrown
around.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Wait that's a that's a surprise to you.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, I suppose it shouldn't be, but man, that's a
really capable car.
I was like absolutely blownaway has he done that sort of?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
has he done that sort of off-roading before?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
little bit.
Yeah, since he bought the carabout a year ago he's been doing
quite a lot of it and there arequite a few, you know, sort of
mud trails and dirt trails andthat sort of stuff, where he
lives down in Mississippi butthere I don't think there are
too many mountains in that partof town.
So the part of town, that partof the country, but in the

(13:16):
mountains of course there wereplenty.
Yeah yeah, you know, we startedoff and I was like, oh, this is
gonna be fairly easy, you know.
Just, it's rocky, it's not toobad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then all of a sudden youknow you can feel the car like
leaning all the way to the rightand you realize, okay, that
boulders probably the size youknow of a of a basketball, and

(13:37):
then that one's even bigger andthat one's even bigger, and he's
continuing to try and climbover them.
Are we gonna get stuck?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
That's, that's amazing, and so did you drive.
Forgive my ignorance, but inthe Rockies, are there any that
there's?
There's twisties through that,did you?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
have to sort of experience the car In its, in
its, let's say, natural habitatyeah, I really did mean the
first days, all the way toKansas City is cornfield
straight boring, yeah.
Yeah, from Kansas City toDenver it's pretty much the same
.
You just drive through thegreat planes.
But on day three, drivingthrough the Rockies, day four,

(14:18):
driving through Wyoming and intoMinnesota, I was doing all
county roads and it was just, itwas.
It was quite literally, I wouldsay 800 of the thousand miles I
did over the last two days withtwisty internees Absolutely
phenomenal and definitely alesson for me to avoid the

(14:41):
interstates which are basicallyjust straight lines.
But I was amazed.
I went from Breckenridge, I wentnorth for like two or three
hours and it was all twistyturnies, staying off the
highways, just staying on thecounty roads.
Wyoming was absolutelyspectacular Mountains on the
left, prairie on the right andthen the county roads take you

(15:03):
through just lots of canyons andundulating hills and there are
deer everywhere, there arebuffalo everywhere.
It's just gorgeous.
So I really do feel like I gotto test the car, you know,
pushing it into corners and Iwas pulling out of corners.
The left and the right hadsport mode on at the windows up,

(15:27):
at the windows down, justabsolutely full throttle a
couple of times and of course, Ithink Wyoming is one of the
least populated states in thecountry.
Yeah, and you know, withoutincriminating myself, let's just
say I nearly incriminatedmyself.

(15:50):
Yeah, and it's incredible whatthat car is capable of, just
absolutely incredible.
And every now and again I findthe sort of like perfect setup
where there was a straightenough piece of road going into
a corner with mountains and nocars on the road.
So I actually came to a fullstop, took a breath, did launch

(16:10):
control and I just started again.
It was just so cool.
But I love it, man, I reallylove it.
And the turbocharged engineperformed beautifully.
No kind of feeling of that youknow, sort of turbo lag, the
sound of the exhaust with sportsmode on valves open.

(16:30):
I'm just, you know it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Do you recall, because it's been a few years
now since you sold your firstgen 991.
So I'm interested to hear if itfeels familiar to that, which I
imagine it would, but also ifyou can speak to the differences
, or is there just too much of atime lapse between the two?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, no, I can probably still speak to that,
and I actually driven quite afew 991s over the course of the
last couple of years.
Since selling mine, allnaturally aspirated to sort of
have a good feel for it.
You know, there are a couple ofminor but very important
aesthetic differences which alot of 991s always jump to,

(17:18):
which is the tail lights and theeyebrow running lights on the
front.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So so can I do.
I got to interrupt you therebecause you remember when,
because obviously you took yourand, for anyone not not aware of
this, any listeners James had afirst gen 991 and basically
retrofitted the second gen 991tail lights and front bumper set
up right just to put the sportsbumper on the front of the

(17:46):
991.1.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
But yeah, the rear.
Oh, you didn't do the rear end.
I upgraded to the 991.2.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, okay, okay.
So it's funny because Iremember when the when the first
gen 991 came out the first timeI saw one on the road I've
spoken about this before, Iremember it vividly.
It was a white one that passedme going through a tunnel and so
my first kind of rollingpicture of that car was a rear
and I sped up to stay with.

(18:14):
It was a rear three quarterangle of it and I remember just
looking at the tail lights andthinking they're amazing,
they're so good.
So I fell in love with thatfirst gen 991 when it came out
because I really thought they'dnailed the design.
And I have to be honest thatthe second gen I wasn't as
convinced by.
But it's funny how, over timenow I really think the tail

(18:39):
lights on that second gen andthe front and that just that
little air duct on the lowerRear bumper just a couple of
little details that are minoraesthetic differences, but I
really do think they add quite abit.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I would agree and I know loads of 991 owners
that sort of feel the same.
To be honest, as much as I lovethe 3D tail lights of the dot 2
, the dot 1 tail lights neverbothered me.
They were a little no,absolutely no two dimensional,
but they look great.
And I think the first time Isaw one on the road was from the

(19:17):
same kind of angle and Iremember thinking what, what,
what happened to the back ofthat 911?
It looks great.
But the the front of the dotones with the, the eyebrow kind
of you know indicators andrunning lights underneath the
headlights, I always just feltlike they were just a bit clumsy
.
You go back to the 997 dot two.

(19:41):
I think the same thing.
I look at the 997 dot one andthey are quite clumsy on that
car as well and relatively bigcompared to the headlights, but
at least a simple, you know, andthey're.
You know the lines are prettystraight and so on.
But when the dot 2 991 came outI just thought they nailed the

(20:04):
front end.
You know.
All the focus is now back tothe headlights Because the, the
LED strips are much thinner andjust simple strips and they
don't detract from theheadlights at all, and I think
there's even, just like theaerodynamics, on the front
bumper.
There are two little groovesthat Bring the friends and to

(20:25):
life a little bit more with thedot two and we're talking really
mind things, you know yeah.
I'm sure, if I put a dot one ina dot two in front of Ruthie she
wouldn't know the difference.
No, no, no, but there's thatfor sure.
But what's funny is Sitting inan almost identical 991 cockpit

(20:45):
to what I had with the dot one.
You've got to be I think you'vegot to be really a Porsche
fanboy to notice the differencesimmediately.
I mean, it's basically theairbag in the steering wheel and
the fact that the PCM screenJust sort of fits into the dash
a little more seamlessly.
Yes, yeah, yeah.

(21:05):
But apart from that, yeah,you're sitting in basically an
identical cockpit, almostidentical cockpit, but it's like
a completely different animal,a completely different
experience in the.
Okay, it's still fast, it stillhas all the great handling and
you still feel like you're in aPorsche cockpit.
But you know, it's almost likeJacqueline Hyde.

(21:27):
You know you're sitting withthe person with a completely
different personality one minute, and you know you go from one
to the other.
Yeah, I think, unless you Imean unless you, you know, drive
them back to back maybe thedifferences aren't that obvious.
But yeah, to me, having owned a991 dot one a couple of years

(21:47):
ago and I'm now sitting in anine dot Dot two, I can tell the
difference immediately and it's, it's, it's epic, it's just
like the lower end talk reallymakes the car feel much more
powerful and much moreresponsive.
The spool of the turbos givesyou that sort of just fanboy
adrenaline rush kind of everytime you hear them.

(22:08):
I love him, absolutely love it.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
That's that's so good to hear and it's great to hear
to that you found a differentmode of getting across the
countryside.
You know, because so often whenyou and I talk about these
drives that you do and the thesort of commute that you need to
do to get to these amazinglocations in great roads, like

(22:35):
you've found some, some new waysof getting there that that are
fun on the way there, at least,in this instance, on the way
back yeah, yeah, I think so, andactually next time I go to the
Rocky Mountains I'll probablyretrace my steps through South
Dakota.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
But you know the as much as I enjoyed the 800 miles
or the 700 miles of that final1000 miles on the return leg,
the last two or three hundredmiles, basically from the
eastern side of South Dakota toMinnesota, was just once again
mind-numbingly boring.

(23:10):
So even in that you just forsome reason here in the Midwest
there's always some kind ofcommute to get to decent roads
because you just got to escapethe cornfields.
Basically, what's going on withyour rally?
Ah, winter rally, oh, winterrally.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yes, Well, yeah, so we had the winter rally.
Gosh, it feels so long ago now.
It was look, it was a greatevent and look, as promised, I
think I said so.
I sent round not a poster, butjust like a mini flyer thing on
our WhatsApp group and I think Isaid it said winter rally,

(23:48):
august, whatever the date waspissing rain, good time.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Well, it's so.
That's a thing, isn't it?
You say, every time you dothese, these rallies I don't
know if it's just in the winter,you often find rain, no dude,
not often or what.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
It doesn't matter if it's winter, spring, summer,
autumn Every time we do a rallyand it's not just it's not just
a little bit of rain, it's, it'slike catastrophic conditions
every time, yeah.
So I feel like and, to behonest, last year, when I did

(24:25):
the first winter rally and it'sjust a single day event, but
when I did the first one lastyear, it was actually sunny all
day and everyone was wearingT-shirts it was amazing and I
there was a part of me thatthought, OK, this is where I've
gone wrong.
I've been trying to organizerallies in the times when I
think the weather is going to beexceptionally good and yet

(24:48):
invariably we run into badweather.
So maybe it's like the GeorgeCostanza thing, right, Like I
should do the opposite ofeverything.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think I should do, and maybe my life would be
better.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So last year when we did the winter rally, it was a
beautiful day.
So there was a little part ofme in the back of my head
thinking this year could be thesame, but it was not.
So, look, we set off and it was.
It was bucketing rain, but itwas, it was, it was.
So it was still a great day,and partly because, you know,

(25:18):
typically we head for themountains and we have roads that
we that we drive week in, weekout, and then when we do
something like the Alpine RangeRally, those roads that we drive
often then feed into otherAlpine roads.
Yeah, because it's winter, wetry and avoid the Alpine regions
just because we know we can hitsnow.
So we actually take acompletely different route than

(25:42):
what we would usually do.
And so that's, that's great.
The roads are different.
Are they as good and technicalas some of the others we drive?
Not necessarily, but I thinkeveryone really just appreciates
a different experience.
Also, one of the bigdifferences is it's a lot more
open.
You know, so often if you'velooked at any of my rally videos
so often we are driving throughthe sort of Aussie bush, let's

(26:07):
say yeah, but these are all muchmore elevated roads with
beautiful views of rolling greenhills.
It sort of looks like it couldbe in Wales or somewhere, so so
it's brilliant.
A few highlights for me One wasmy buddy Kale.
My buddy Kale has a 73, 72, 73.

(26:29):
Sorry, kale, tangerine 911T.
Oh, and I've seen this one forsome of the yeah and for some of
the day.
He was driving in front of meand, man, I was so impressed
with the way he was hustlingthat car, this idea that that
you know the long hoods are cool, but you know if you're going

(26:50):
to hustle then you wantsomething more modern.
He was.
Could I have gone a little bitquicker in that moment?
Yeah, maybe, but it wasbrilliant.
I was really happy going.
The speed we were going, itwasn't slow by any stretch and
he was just hustling along inthis thing and you could just
see it moving around.

(27:10):
You could see what a great jobhe was doing driving it it was.
It was brilliant.
And so when we stopped for lunch, we actually agreed to do a car
swap.
So I was, I was so excited I'venever driven this car and I've
only ever driven I had a brief,a brief run in my friend Irwin's

(27:33):
long hood.
I can't really recall what thatwas like.
I literally drove it for fiveminutes and then I had my buddy
Gerard's Target for a couple ofdays.
So I got to drive that andreally get a feel for that.
That was a great car.
But interestingly, kail's caris just the ride quality is
amazing.
And the engine I can't believethe amount of torque and the

(28:00):
amount of reward you get forrevving it all the way out.
It was, it was incredible.
Now, I must confess that as wetook off to to this was after
lunch.
We took off, I was in his car,it was wet, so I was being I was
being very cautious.
I'm not sure what the I can'tremember what the tires are.

(28:20):
By comparison, I think he tookoff like a scolded cat in 1964.
But it did take me a while.
It there's a definiteadjustment that you go through
because you know, suddenly youcan feel everything, you can
really feel the car movingaround you and for how wonderful
this car is, I feel like itwants some time spent just

(28:45):
buttoning up everything inside.
There's a lot of like reallynasty rattles in this car.
Oh really, I'm trying to benuts, but, but, but anyway.
But then what happened wassomebody came on the radio and
actually said guys, be careful,there's oil on the road.
And because the road was wetyou know, when you see an oil
slick on a wet road, it sort ofhas that rainbow color.

(29:07):
Yeah, and a few people hadquite scary moments on this.
And in fact we found out on thenews that night that someone
actually had a crash rightnearby, about two kilometers
from where we were, and becausejust they just went spearing off
the road and actually someonewas killed.
So it was, it was, it wasabsolutely awful.

(29:30):
So, look, I really slowed downat that point.
But then, once we hit the dry, Idrove the car.
I drove the car long enough, Ithink probably for 25 minutes,
half an hour maybe, on somereally lovely flowing, twisty
roads where I did get into agreat rhythm with it and it was
just.
It is such a fun car.

(29:51):
It is such a fun car andimmensely capable.
However, I will say this whenwe finally stopped and swapped
cars again right before gettingonto the highway to drive home,
I got into a little green Dude.
It felt like a GT3.
It was just.
It felt rock solid.

(30:14):
The gear shift felt like a boltaction rifle and the
acceleration was just incredible.
I thought, wow, talk about,talk about sort of adjusting and
realigning yourself.
It was, it was, it wasbrilliant.
But I tell you, I tell you thething about these, these rallies

(30:34):
and these drives so much of itcomes down to the people you're
with.
Yeah, and you know, becauseinvariably something happens
right.
It doesn't matter how well youplan it, there's always a
something.
So I try it, I do try and bemeticulous in the planning.
I actually put a good amount ofpressure on myself that I want

(30:58):
everybody to come away and saythat was a great day, yeah, and
so in the morning, when westopped for coffee, I got a
message from the place that I'dorganized for lunch saying they
couldn't open that day.
Something had happened, didn'tunderstand what, so they weren't
going to be able to sit us down.
And this was in some little townin the middle of nowhere and I

(31:18):
thought so I'm thinking, oh shit, I'm going to have to organize
something else here we get intotown, A few people were ahead of
us, they just rolled into.
There was a brewery that didpizzas.
Everyone just rolled in there,happy, no problem, rolling with
the punches.
There was one of the roads thatwe were that kind of connected
to two roads was actually closedand hadn't shown on the maps,

(31:44):
and so it's.
You know, no one jumped on theradios and said oh well, this is
.
You know, what are we going todo now?
We just kept going.
My buddy Will I've got a shoutout to him because he opened.
We use this app called scenic.
It is, I think, far and awaythe best navigation app there is
and Will's just whipped it open, actually edited the map on the

(32:08):
fly while he's driving, andthen just starts radioing
everyone yes, just keep going,we're going to get to this road.
You're going to turn left here.
You know, just people beingproactive and sorting things out
, versus people saying, oh well,this isn't what I signed up for
, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, so that's great.
One of the things we did seereally demonstrated is just how

(32:31):
important radios are to take.
It really makes such adifference.
I mean, for starters, with thesafety issue that we had with
this oil spill, because the oilslick ran for you know, four or
five kilometers maybe.
Yeah, so two or three miles.
It was a long way that we werehaving to be careful and I think

(32:54):
, from memory, my mate Simon wasup the front so he was
constantly updating people andwarning people and those sorts
of things are just that's wherehaving the radios is just so
valuable.
Yeah, and you know also, ifsomeone you know there was a
dude, george, who came alongwith us, he's such a good guy
and I think there was one pointwhere a few people were like hey

(33:15):
, george, do you mind if we jumpin front of you?
Yeah, no problem, they jump infront of him.
So it's such a good thing justfrom a safety perspective and
also an enjoyment perspective.
But yeah, look, overall, justit just kind of shows even when
the weather is rubbish.
I mean, I must confess I'm overdriving in the rain.

(33:37):
I'm really over driving in therain.
But even when you do, if you'reout with a good group of people
and you're driving amazingroads and in these cars, it's
still, it's still a really,really good time, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, totally.
The radios for my group overhere in Minnesota were a game
changer for us.
You know I always joke thinkingyou know sort of car
enthusiasts you're.
We're a funny bunch, you know,we like having friends and this
is a social kind of thing, butwe spend the majority of our

(34:13):
time alone in our own cars.
But, like, once you introducethe radios into the mix, though,
you're getting the best of bothworlds.
You're alone in your car, yes,You're pushing it to the limit,
You're doing whatever you wantto do and you're, at the same
time, you're still connected toeverybody.
It was.

(34:33):
It was just like, yeah, like,like I said, complete game
changer for us over here.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, great, great.
And actually I, like you know,we use them obviously to
communicate everything from youknow potholes or cyclists on the
road or any sort of hazards,obviously, or to keep track of
one another, but also just forbanter while you're out on the

(34:57):
road.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh, it's hard.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Because there's oftentimes you're in a transport
stage, a liaison stage, let'ssay, between twisties and
another set of twisties.
Yeah, and you know, it's sonice I'll hear.
I'll hear my buddy, Al, justpop up on the radio and say to
whoever PJ you know, PJ, yourcar looks incredible in my
mirrors.

(35:19):
Yeah, sure it's just you know,or someone will, just someone
will be playing some stupid songand they'll just, they'll just
hit the talk button on theirwalkie talkie for 10 seconds and
it's just.
I don't know, it's just.
You're like oh wow, who'slistening to Stevie Ray Vaughan
right now?
Yeah, it's just cool, I justlike it.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
So on the agenda this week we've got a philosophical
discussion which you've posed,and I'm actually kind of
interested to see where thisgoes.
To be honest, I wonder howpeople are going to react to
this.
So you want to, you want totake us into this?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm interested to hear how you
react to it as well, obviously,because I I'm not sure I have a
position on this question and soactually what I want to do is
kind of unpack it together,tease it out together and and
see what we think.
So it's a pretty simple thing.
I want to pose a question Do weall just need to calm the fuck

(36:19):
down?
So you know why do we justcause?
Truly, we all get reallyoutraged with Porsche all the
time.
You know, you and I talkedabout the ST on the pod and you
know how we both love the car,but we're so worried that the
wrong people will buy the 1963examples.
And I know the Porsche talkpodcast.

(36:41):
They talked about the samething.
We talked about the Spider RS.
We said it's not a real rentsport because it's not a
homologated racing car.
Yeah, so fucking what?
The truth is that 99.999% ofthe people pissing and moaning
about not being able to get a911 ST allocation you and me

(37:02):
included, or in no position torequest an allocation for the
911 ST in the first place.
So why do we get so pissed offabout it?
You know, you think about it.
There were 991 911 hours.
That gave Porsche actually theconfidence to put a manual in
the GT3.
So a lot more people benefitedfrom that.
And then, finally, how arrogantare we to decide that we're the

(37:25):
only ones that truly enjoy ourPorsches in an authentic way?
I mean, you and I, between thetwo of us, actually enjoy our
cars quite differently, andsometimes I love ripping through
the hills with friends, drivingmy car on the edge of what I
can safely do on a public road,but then sometimes I like
driving on my own at normalspeed.
Well, sometimes I like dailydriving it, and sometimes I like

(37:46):
going to wineries with my wifeor go into cars and coffee.
So who the hell am I to saythat one is any more valid, or
any of those is any more valid,than the person who wants to
protect their investment andenjoy their car sparingly?
If someone just wants to cruiseto cars and coffee and have
bragging rights or drive up anddown the PCH and do nothing else

(38:08):
but get coffee, why is that anyless valid?
So I just asked do we all needto stop getting shitty at
Porsche for releasing limitednumbered cars that are
incredible, that we can't affordanyway, and start acknowledging
that it's brilliant that theyhave the sack to release those
cars in the first place and stopbeing so outraged by it, bloody

(38:29):
hell.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Bloody hell.
Okay, there's an awful lot tounpack there.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
There's a lot to unpack?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, exactly, and I've also got to be very careful
about how I approach this,because it's probably just going
to shine a spotlight on mynatural biases and completely
warped personality.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Well, dude, and let me say, let me say, because all
of this right, this is, I'mguilty of all of this.
I'm guilty of every bit ofjudgment I just talked about,
I'm guilty of every bit ofoutrage.
So you know, hand on heart, I'mnot suggesting in any way that

(39:10):
it's this is the behavior ofother people.
It's actually been the behaviorof me, but I also know it's the
behavior of a lot of otherpeople.
So I just, I just wanted topose the question.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
So the question is really should Andy Gawnt calm
the fuck down?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Is Andy Gawnt in danger of cardiac arrest?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I think so.
Or violently murdering somepoor guy that's just taken out a
brand new ST to cars and coffee.
Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
First drive.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Huh Well, actually just off subject a little bit.
I heard yesterday that Porscheare going to force ST owners to
lease the car for the first yearto try and avoid flipping.
I don't know if that's true ornot, but I don't even know if
that's even going to work aswell, because if I'd, happily

(40:06):
anyway, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I don't know, you know, I think you take any
scenario, you take any kind ofniche, any hobby, and there are
always going to be those peoplethat are so absorbed and
interested by it that they liveto talk about anything to do

(40:31):
with the brand, anything to dowith the football club, anything
to do with the players.
You know anything to do withthe sports.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Very true.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I can sometimes just listen to my dad and my brother
talk for hours about, you know,whatever they're talking about,
about this one particularfootball player or this one
particular scenario and I'm likeit was a game that happened
weeks ago.
Just who gives a fuck, move on.
But to them it's reallyimportant to discuss the finest

(41:01):
levels of minutiae of all ofthose different scenarios that
interest and excite them, and Ithink that's, I think that's
part of it.
But I don't know to try andanswer your question as directly
as I can.
Yeah, for sure, I think we doneed to calm down when it comes
to, you know, sort of gettingoutraged with Porsche, because,

(41:22):
for all the reasons you justsaid, I mean, could you imagine
if Porsche just turned aroundand was like well, okay, we're
not going to release any ofthese more variants, we're just
going to churn out, we're justgoing to churn out Carreras in
the thousands and thousands, andthousands forever.
Yeah.
Or you know what?
Yeah, you've got, if you want asports car, you got a Carrera,

(41:44):
but we're focusing all of ourR&D into more efficient
Cayenne's and McCann's, you know, and Homer Simpson's car.
We'd be absolutely gutted.
I mean, that's it.
In some respects I'm like well,it's nice having all these
other things in the Porscheportfolio, but I just, you know,
I want the rainbow of 9-11's tochoose from.

(42:06):
So yeah, I can definitely seethat.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I mean, you know, if you look at something like the
ST or even the R back in the day, you've got to reach a point
where you stop worrying aboutwho's buying it, because we all
know who's buying it for themost part and how it's going to
be used.
And, like I say, it's reallyeasy to get really judgy about

(42:36):
the way somebody chooses to usetheir car, but that's an
individual choice thateveryone's entitled to make.
And for everyone who does justuse the car for what we believe
to be the wrong reasons, let'ssay I'm sure there are just as
many who'll buy something likean ST and genuinely use it and

(42:57):
drive the hell out of it.
And good luck to all of them.
As long as, as long as Porschekeeps creating these cars.
I'm trying to get myself into amindset.
That is you know what.
I'm just really glad that carexists and having watched the
reviews that all dropped lastweek on the 9-11 ST, it's really

(43:20):
interesting.
They talked about how there wasa there's a chassis engineer in
the GT department at Porschewho was given the job of tuning
the chassis on the ST and ittook a year to do it.
And so all of the journos whohave driven this car have also

(43:40):
been given access to, at thesame time, a GT3 touring, and
they're driving actuallyreasonably poorly conditioned
roads so that you could see howwell the ST actually handles on
the road.
And everyone that I've heardtalk about the comparative

(44:00):
experience of driving the GT3touring has said the difference
is night and day in terms of theway that the car tracks, the
way the car handles, the way ittackles bumps and the like.
So you have to think, thereforeand again, this still isn't
going to impact you or me.
Maybe one day it will.

(44:20):
But the next gen, the 992.2 GT3,do you think that's going to
have the same suspension setupit has currently?
Of course not it will.
It will then inherit theamazing work that's been done on
the ST, the same way that thegen two 991 GT3 inherited the

(44:43):
manual gearbox, because Porschehad the confidence to do it
based on demand.
Yeah, so there is always atrickle down effect from these
halo cars.
Again, does that affect you andme buying 10 year old Carreras?
Well, not now, but maybe in 15years when I decide I've finally
got enough money to buy asecond gen 992 GT3, I get the

(45:05):
benefit of that.
So fuck it, it's great.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's very true, yeah, and you think about
the hybrid engine that's in the918, that that trickle down
effect won't be felt for maybeanother few years and ultimately
that's a maybe a 10 year kindof path or longer.
All of that super car influenceand super car testing and

(45:32):
technology and design will havea huge influence on the hybrid
engines that are coming, that wehaven't yet.
I've gotten fully on board withand guess what they're going to
be amazing, regardless what youthink they're going to be
amazing.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, they are.
And do you know what?
Even the fact I mean the factthat I mean the fact that
Porsche are still producingtheir highest level sports cars
With manual gearboxes isincredible.
The, but also the fact thatthey even said do you know what?
Let's have an enthusiast basedcareer.

(46:07):
Let's do a career T.
That is for the, for theenthusiast, the driver, the
person who wants to take the carout on the weekend but can't
afford a GT product.
Let's do that there.
There is so much that Porsche isdoing to appeal to what is a
really broad segment.
Right, you've got people whobuy, who buy 9, 11 careers or

(46:32):
career S's to daily drive andmay never take them on a on a
twisty road.
They just love the design ofthe car, love being seen in the
car, all of those things.
And then there are theenthusiasts with money.
But then there are also theenthusiasts who have less money.
They really actually, I think,meeting so many different market

(46:53):
segments and doing a reallygood job of it.
Yeah, I don't know.
I just I just thought there wasso much, I had so much
negativity around the ST andnone of it from us included and
none of it was based on the caritself.
It was all.
We're all up in arms about howwe couldn't get an allocation,

(47:15):
as if otherwise you and I weregonna call our local Porsche
dealer and say sign me up, Iwant one.
I can't do that, so I'm worriedabout.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
So I think this is this.
This is where you know, kind ofhuman nature comes into it,
right?
I mean, how, how much of thisdo you think and this is where
I'm gonna really expose the wayyou and I think how much of this
is cognitive dissonance?
You know the fact that Are webeing triggered by something

(47:48):
that we are envious of and thatwe really want to have ourselves
?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I can't have it, so I don't want him to have exactly
exactly you know what?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I can't afford this, or I can't get there and I'm
probably never gonna get it, soI'm gonna throw rocks at it.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Of course.
Of course we do and we go.
We go I can't have it and look,that person can have it and
they're not even using it theway I would use it.
They're not using it.
Probably they don't deserve itas much as I do, so I'm gonna
start throwing my toys out ofthe and stomping my feet and I'm
gonna go stand in the cornerand have a big sook about it.
You're right, it's, it's humannature.

(48:28):
But you know what I thinkyou're actually think you're
onto something the way that youknow, every Monday morning,
quarterback wants to talk aboutthe game on the weekend and the
poor choices that the coach madeand all of these things.
We do do it right, you, I thinkyou're so right.
Where we're so invested inwhatever our hobby and passion

(48:52):
is that we always believe thatwhen we're talking with friends,
that we could do this better.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, we could make better decisions in the portion
of department or, well, thecoach of the team well, and so
that takes me back to so many ofmy my wonderful friends,
certainly back from Liverpool,were growing up who have these
very heated debates about youknow the value of the quality of
a player on a particularscenario, and most of it's

(49:23):
coming from the fact that Icould probably do better.
Why?
Don't, I have to strike up alittle.
What could you get?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
I know what you know we'll throw will be talking
about formula one and you'lltalk about Lance stroll and
you'll be like, oh my god, hemessed up again on the weekend.
The guys are more on.
What's he even doing out there?
Has you got to drive?
It's just because he's dad ownsthe team.
Rah, rah rah really you'regonna do better I literally

(49:53):
running around with nineteen ofthe best drivers in the world
and doing pretty well, actually.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
so so got this on a related I think it's a related
topic.
Just, you know, bad with me fora second and I know he's gonna
be listening my make Chris,carbon fiber, chris on Instagram
, who's just recently bought hisGT3 touring okay, oh, couldn't
be happy does he deserve it,though I hope you're not just

(50:22):
taking that to cars and coffee.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Well, otherwise they'll be silent judge exactly
not so silent.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So, all right, so, chris, three touring, he knows,
he knows that that's my dreamcar, right, and so we haven't
had that discussion.
He's got the GT3 touring.
It's beautiful, the spec isabsolutely beautiful.
Okay, and it's yeah, I'll behonest, it's not detracting from

(50:53):
the excitement I'm having withmy own box standard 991.2
Carrera.
But I've had to really temper myreactions to a couple of the
things that he's been talkingabout doing with his, with his
car, and it's because I'm like,jesus Christ, I really want that

(51:15):
car.
I wouldn't do that to that car.
What are you doing?
Don't do it like.
Well, it's his car, I'm doingwhatever he wants.
But it's kind of turned into alittle bit of a joke because
when he first bought the car,they came with the car had the R
style stripes on, not the GT3style stripes, the R stripes on.
And yeah, yeah, and he wasasking me for my advice and I

(51:38):
was trying to be Reallypolitically correct and just
like, well, no, it looks prettycool, do you want to want?
And in my head, and just like,get him off, get him off, get
him off, get him off, get himoff, get him off I just really.
You can't have our stripes on aGT3 touring.
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (51:54):
what can I ask?
Can I ask why you can't what'swhat's?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Because it's not an R .
It's not an R.
The GT3 touring so special,it's so special.
So anyway, he got the car, hetook them off.
But of the last few weeks he'sbeen talking to us and the guys
about, you know, putting thestripes on again, and the R

(52:18):
stripes have come back up inconversation and I did it.
I did it first.
I'm trying really hard to bepolitically correct and like
give him a very kind ofobjective balance sort of you
know what you could, youcouldn't, kind of answer.
It's gotten to the point whereI'm just like don't you fucking
dare?
No, do not fucking dare to, andthen just I feel bad doing that

(52:41):
again.
It's like some, my car, you cando whatever he wants.
He's been Taking that and nowhe's thinking about changing his
gear shifter.
He found a gear shifter thatcame from a 911 R which has its
own, our flavor kind of distinctstyle was like what do you
think Should I?
Should I get that and put thatin my, in my car?
Now?
I think it's probably becauseit's carbon fiber and that's why

(53:03):
Chris wants it.
When he came to me with thisone, there was no pleasantries,
there was no politicalcorrectness.
I was like do not fucking do it, I am gonna kill you.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So I just, I just I just wanted to clarify this.
So it's for you, it's like it'snot necessarily that it's a bad
design, it's just that it says,if you've got the stripes on,
it says it's a 911 R, but thenit's actually not.
So people will be like, huh,you're trying to make it an R
but it's not.
Is that, is that sort of thevibe?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, kind of yeah, that's it exactly.
It's not on R.
It's not on R.
Don't put the R stripes on it,just don't do it.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Now, to be fair, I'm the one that put the 3 body.
Can I just say, yeah, or it'slike carbon ceramic break.
Dude exactly I was gonna goyellow calipers dude, I was
gonna go there.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
This, this, this conversation about the, about
the shifter, was happening quiteliterally as I was painting my
base, carol of this yellow.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
How do you, how do you spell hypocrite exactly
exactly, exactly so.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Is Chris doing anything wrong?
No, is it just purely driven bythe envy that I have for his
GT3 touring?
Of course it is, because howcan I have that conversation
with Chris while I'm therepainting the fourth fucking coat
of my yellow paint on my noncarbon ceramic breaks?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Well, I'll give you credit, because, because, as you
started saying the R thing, Ithought oh man, you are just
setting this up for me so well,I can't wait to get into you
about the brakes, but you're,you know you're putting your
hand up.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Totally, totally, in fact I think I was.
I was even, honestly, I wasreplying to that text thread
about the shifter while I waspainting those breaks and once I
realized the hypocrisy I justnearly walked away.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
There is, though.
There's a.
I've seen a car near me and991.2 that has GT2 RS decal on
the door and it's a base Carreraand it's like I think at that
level, like I'm actually finewith a stripes if you want them,

(55:39):
I'll make allowances for yellowcalipers because they actually
look good, but once you startclaiming it, once you start
putting badges and decals sayingyour car is something it's not,
I sort of go yeah, sure aboutthat although they're again, if
it's an old one, and again, youknow what it gives a fuck.
Why do I care?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
exactly.
We just need to calm the fuckdown, andy, calm down.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
We need to calm the fuck down.
Someone else is calm down butlike.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I'm the guy that put the GT3 body kit on the base
Carrera 997.1.
The justification for that forme, which which allowed me to
sleep at night was that it was afactory option when you bought
the base Carrera, you wereallowed to select the AeroKit.

(56:28):
You could get the AeroKit Now.
To be fair, these days they dohave AeroKits that you can
choose, but they don't allow youto get the GT3 AeroKit or the
GT3 RS AeroKit like they used to.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, but I actually don't have a problem with an
AeroKit either, because as longas you're not putting a GT3
badge or decal on the car, Ithink that's fine.
Like I've got, yeah, my buddyAl, he's got a 996 and he's got
the GT3 kit on it.
It looks that car looksincredible, and he's not

(57:01):
claiming it's a GT3.
He's just got the AeroKit on it.
It's like when I had the whaletail on little green.
It's not like I put a RSAmerica badge on the back.
I didn't, I just liked the tail.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, yeah, totally AeroKits.
Fine, especially if they'refactory AeroKits.
But yeah, you see decals.
The stripes that go from hoodto deck lid to me is the same as
the actual GT3 badge that goeson the back of the car.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
It's so distinctive.
It is distinctive.
I would grant you that.
Are you gonna do that?
What was that spoiler you puton your 991, the Mochama?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Oh, the Mochama yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Thor's hammer.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
The tail of Asgard on the back of my 991.1.
Yeah, you know there is aMochama Evo Ducktail available
for the 991.2.
And again, here I am, theHippocrates.
I actually am gonna try andstay away from doing too much to

(58:10):
this car because I love how itis right now and I love the back
end of the dot two 991.
And so maybe in some wayputting that Mochama spoiler on
the back of my dot one was insome way related to the fact
that I didn't have the taillights that I liked at the time,

(58:34):
cause I think I did that beforeI ended up doing the retrofit
of the tail lights.
So the man who's just paintedhis calipers yellow is saying
that he's gonna try and keep hiscar as stock as possible.
Oh, and I've put a yellowsports chrono in the dash oh,
and there wasn't a sports chronoin the dash before that and I
also did the yellow tack face,but that's you know.

(58:56):
Oh, I've also thrown-.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
And that's all just fun.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I put carbon fiber everywhere.
Of course I have.
Oh no, I know, I know, but yeah, like-.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
So hey, when, what about?
What about?
When's the car being lowered?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I do that time it gets lowered every time I get in
the car.
It doesn't need to be like no,it's it come on, come on.
So I it's time.
So for this car, I because thechanges I'm doing, I think, are
all gonna be sort of performancefocused I think I probably will
lower this car, but I'm notgonna be doing it because I want

(59:36):
to.
I'm doing it because-.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I'm just doing to shut.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Andy up, Just to shut you up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Well, cause Tommy's on you and about it now right.
Like I sent you that video andnow you guys are communicating.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
So, so, actually, big , big, big shout out to Tommy L
Garridge for all of theinspiration that has come from
from him to me so far throughhis YouTube channel.
With his, with his Carrera T,we actually tried to get him on
a couple of weeks in a row.
It didn't work out.
He will be an upcoming guest onCurb and Canyon, but, yeah,

(01:00:15):
he's started to take the piss ofmy ride heights, just like you
and I don't know-.
Oh, I noticed.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, very publicly, let's say yeah, yeah, I'm
actually gonna say, guys, if youhaven't checked out his YouTube
channel, that's well worth alook.
He's doing some.
He's got this.
I love his Carrera T Yellow.
It's beautiful.
Yeah gorgeous and he doesreally, he really cool mods.
He's it's like auto amateur,but good, Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
It's like auto amateur it's late, done right
with a better car.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
It's like auto professional.
Oh my God.
Oh my God, all right, so comeon video of the week.
What have you got for us?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Wait, what have I got ?
No, yeah, okay, I do have avideo this week.
You know well, that's not quitetrue.
My friend Mark sent me a linkto a video and was like, hey,
this should be your video theweek.
And I was like, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
So oh, thank God.
So I'm not actually validatingyou, I'm validating Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely I did I choose this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Okay, that's good.
Did I bollocks?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
No, Mark DiPietro and his awesome son Matthew.
Thank you guys.
You guys sent me the link tothis epic video that I sent to
you, Andy Gorns, as a suggestion, and your response.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
What was my response?
What was my response?
Cause you always say that Ishoot you down.
What was my response?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
You do.
You actually said somethinglike brilliant idea, James.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I'll tell you exactly what I said.
Brilliant idea, James.
I wholeheartedly endorsed thisrecommendation and thus validate
your contribution to the videoof the week segment.
I mean, I don't know what elseI can do to pander to your ego.
It's, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Dude, that was such a response.
I did not get any sincerityfrom it whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Dude, that was from the heart.
How could you like?
I poured it all out there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
But you see, part of my reaction was I'd only watched
the first 30 seconds of this 20minute video at the point that
I sent you the link.
That was the problem for me,man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I looked and I'm like it's 29 minutes.
When am I gonna watch thatbetween now and then?
So I had a quick, but you'veclearly watched it all since.
So you could give us a full,detailed report, what?
What is the video of the week,James?
Let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
All right, it's called Porsche, the super secret
blue Porsche collection andit's on the Peterson Automotive
Museum YouTube channel.
They've got like over a hundredthousand subscribers and a lot
of very nice videos, to be fair.
But this video has been madeabout a private collector, a guy
called Todd Blue, so all of hiscars aren't blue, even though

(01:03:08):
that's what the even, that'swhat the title suggests.
But he's got this.
He's got this garage thatbasically looks like a Porsche
dealership and yeah, it does.
I don't know what he does tomake his money, but good on him.
We're gonna start talking aboutjealousy and envy again in a
second, I'm sure, but basically,if there is a Porsche car out

(01:03:33):
there that has been idolized orhas been, you know, just drooled
over over the last 40 years orso, he will have one in this
garage.
It's incredible.
He's got the 935 race car.
He's got a 959.
He's got a Carrera GT.
He's got a 968 Turbo S.

(01:03:54):
He's got a 930.
He's got a GT2 RS.
I'm pretty sure I saw a GT3 RSin there.
He's got the slant nose.
It's just absolutely incredible.
It's like somebody looks intomy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You haven't watched it, have you?
You're just ripping out namesof models.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
It's like I have actually watched it.
It's like somebody looked intomy brain and said, oh yeah, okay
, fair enough, if you won thelottery, here are all the cars
that you'd buy and let's shovethem in this beautiful garage.
And it's funny, you should say,actually Tommy L Garbage before
his auto amateur done right.

(01:04:36):
That's what I thought when Isaw this video.
I was like this type of video Iwish I could make.
I mean, you know, there's nodriving.
It's basically a guy walkingaround his private collection
showing you all of his cars.
But the cars are so phenomenalyou just can't help but watch.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
No, and look, there's a couple of highlight moments
for me.
The first is I'm amazed when infact I just don't expect this
to happen when I see a Porschemodel of which I was previously
unaware.
And so there's a moment wherehe introduces the Porsche 597,

(01:05:16):
aka the Jagdwagen, which wasbuilt as a prototype, 71 of them
made in 1955, post-Second WorldWar.
It's basically a Jeep, Right,and I've never seen this car.
I was like what the heck?
How did I not know that existed?
And it's the coolest lookingthing ever and it's obviously

(01:05:38):
been beautifully restored andit's got like.
It's got an axe attached to thebonnet.
I'm like, so you know, we'realways talking about the
post-apocalyptic car.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, right there it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I love.
There's a moment where he hashe has two G-body speedsters and
one is a wide body, one's anarrow body.
I didn't know the narrow bodyone was a thing or I didn't know
.
There were two different widthsin that car and apparently the
narrow body one is actuallyquite rare.
I love that he has both.

(01:06:11):
And then he's this momentreally stuck with me.
He has a 904 race car and theoriginal engine sits on a stand
and then he has a second enginein the car so he can take it to
the track.
But his story about why thatcar is so appealing, I just love
this.
It's not because he, you know,spent his years watching his

(01:06:35):
youth, watching footage of theTarga Florida or any of these
sorts of things.
It's because the car looks likethe cars that were in the
cartoon speed racer.
And as soon as he said it, I'venever connected those dots and
as soon as he said it I thought,holy shit, it does.
Yeah, Actually, it does.

(01:06:57):
So, yeah, it's a really coolvid.
I really liked it too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
And, to be fair, a lot of the cars are blue.
One of the ones that stood outfor me was, I think it's a 356
in Bali blue and that's the blue, that sort of influenced bluey,
my 996.
And I'm looking at it now andI'm clearly, you know, didn't
quite hit the Bali blue color.

(01:07:21):
It's not identical, but, man,just what an absolute dream
collection.
Yeah, so if you basically wantto just have one of those, you
know what if I won the lotterykind of conversations and what
would my Porsche collection looklike?
What would a dream collectionlook like?
This is the video for you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, agreed, agreed.
Well, I think that brings us tothe end of another exciting,
action packed, fun filledepisode.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Thank you everybody forchecking in and for sticking
with us, as we are alwaysgetting these episodes out on a
regular basis.
Tight schedule we keep here atCurb Canyon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, and let me say, guys, it's not through lack of
this.
Sounds like excuses, I know,but life and distance really
does get in the way on these.
Sometimes there's so many dayswhere we're organized and then
something happens a work thinghappens, a family thing happens,
whatever.
So it does, but we I've got tosay it honestly every time I sit

(01:08:33):
down to record this I lovehaving these conversations and I
love the feedback and commentsthat you all send us.
Thank, you so much it genuinelymeans a lot to us, so we will
keep trying to bring you as muchcontent as we can.
We've got some rad guestscoming up.
Actually, there's actuallyquite a few lined up.

(01:08:53):
So, yeah, keep tuning in, guys,stick with us.
We love you all and reallyappreciate you or you sticking
with us on the journey All right, but catch you in the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Take care, guys.
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