July 3, 2023 • 61 mins
Get ready to rev your engines and shift into high gear as we embark on a thrilling journey exploring the realm of motoring journalism with the one-and-only Henry Catchpole. Renowned for his articulate and engaging content, Henry takes us down memory lane, sharing his two-decade-long passion for automobiles, his admiration for Evo magazine and his love for extracurricular activities like running and cycling.
Stay tuned as we take a deep dive into the world of Porsche. We uncover the hidden allure of these iconic cars, discussing their unique appeal and the hair-raising exhilaration they induce. We further delve into the different Porsche models, discussing our experiences with the 997 and the future of electric sports cars. Our conversation veers into the perfect road trip and the ideal Porsche to accompany it, with Henry leaning towards a 2.7 RS for Scotland and James favoring his Cayenne for a Chipotle run.
We wrap up our fascinating chat reflecting on Henry's illustrious career. We discuss the shift from writing to video content creation, Henry's unique style of storytelling, and even our shared love for racing games during our younger years. Join us for this riveting episode as we navigate the exciting twists and turns of the automotive industry, with invaluable insights from one of its most respected voices. Buckle up and enjoy the ride!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
James McGraw.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Andy Gawnes how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good to see you.
Look at you up bright and early, sparky, ready to face the day.
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, you know what?
Just, it's amazing what I cando without coffee.
actually, i haven't had any yet, but I'm doing.
I'm excited about this week's,this week's pod We're going to.
we're going to mix it up alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, i felt, yeah, that's it, we have got a special
guest.
And I wonder if that's perhapswhy you're up as early as you
are and and Brad Art and bushytailed the way you are, because
you're excited about this veryspecial guest we have tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I think you're talking about yourself, to be
honest, considering it's five inthe morning for me, but you
were phoning me much earlierthan five o'clock to make sure
that I was out of bed and that Iwas ready.
I know you're excited for todayI mean I am but I know you are.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You got some clues.
You know who this is.
It's someone from theautomotive world.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's quite a big name , isn't it?
It's Joey from Friends.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's not.
Joey from Friends.
Let me do you know he's sittingthere on the line patiently.
I need to bring him in.
I feel like I'm hosting anepisode of smart less here.
So I've got to say you're right.
I am super excited about thisguest And in fact I'm actually a
little bit nervous, Because inthe automotive journalism world
there are a few better than thisman.
There are a few whose contentis as beautifully produced, few
(01:31):
who can so clearly articulatethe feeling behind the wheel of
a car that most of us will neverexperience.
And he has this poeticism tohis voice.
And even my wife, Kath, willwatch his videos because she
reckons he sounds like KevinMacLeod.
This guy's a Mad King cyclist.
He looks as fit as a fiddle Andhe has some of the best
(01:52):
sideburns I've seen since LukePerry in Beverly Hills 90210.
I'm going to say it up frontthis is a big fanboy moment for
me, James.
It's the one, It's the only,Henry catchpal No way, Henry
welcome, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Thank you very much.
I feel like I now would saysort of sort of how you doing So
.
I'm so sorry I'm not.
Joey from friends, matt LeBlancwould be much better.
Everyone's now verydisappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I can't believe you actually went with the top gear
presenter of all the people youcould have thrown in there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know what.
Maybe it's just because I washoping for Joey from friends.
No, no, henry catchpal, henry,henry, welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm definitely more Chandler anyway, so fair enough,
maybe me too.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Henry, welcome to the pod.
I don't know how much you knowabout Curb and Canyon, but but
pretty much every episode we'reoften sort of talking about you
referring to you, and it's justincredible that we got you on
the pod.
I like I'm blown away,absolutely blown away.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
It's a pleasure We're doing this.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I need to use the chat portion So that's so good
to hear because, as a few of myfriends have somewhat unkindly
asked, how the hell did we getyou to agree to come on the pod
You?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
sent me a message on Instagram and I replied and
that's.
You know, that's the way we did.
It's kind of I try and reply tomost messages on Instagram one
way or another and don't flub mewith them.
It takes me a while generally,as you know, but yeah try and
get around to it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, and you're exceedingly nice.
Exceedingly nice, Henry.
For those who don't know andthere wouldn't be many, I assume
who, who is Henry, catch pole.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Henry catch pole is a tall British motoring
journalist.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Wait, there are two of us.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
A lot of coffee.
I'm drinking my coffee.
Actually, the only reason we,the only reason we might get
interrupted is because I've gotthe coffee delivery coming At
some point, so I have no controlof that.
So if we have to pause, it'sfor good reason, because there
is good coffee coming fromthat's totally cool.
So yeah, cast on coffee roastersactually.
So I'm on Kalona at the moment,but yeah, anyway, i digress.
(04:05):
I am 41 years old And I've beendoing this for best part of 20
years now, and by this I meanbeing a being a motoring
journalist.
So yeah, good Lord, i likecycling as well Running, yeah
yeah, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Amazing Henry, take me back to those early days.
those early journalism days waswas was, evo, the beginning?
Does it go back further thanthat?
How did it all start for you?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So it really started.
It sort of started with Evo insome ways.
I bought car magazines beforethat sort of stuff.
My parents were into cars verymuch.
They met through MGs way backin in the 60s And I suppose I
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yeah, i'd always loved cars wasone that sort of thing.
But it was when Evo came out asa magazine that my best friend
at school, bruce, his father,bought the first issue of Evo
because he was thinking aboutbuying a Maserati 3300 and 3200.
(05:12):
It's much better.
And so he bought the firstissue.
Bruce nicked it off him, inicked it off Bruce and I read
it And I just thought this iskind of this is brilliant And
I'd read sort of performancecard for that.
So I knew some of the names andthings.
But there was something aboutEvo And they're kind of, i'd say
, seriously, because they didn'ttake it too seriously, but it
was beautifully written andfantastic photography.
(05:34):
I just thought this, this iswhat I want to do.
I wasn't everybody dreams ofbeing a driver, being a Formula
One driver, rally driver,whatever But I hadn't been put
in a car to the age of two.
I clearly, you know I was tootall for single seaters even by
that point Anyway.
So, yeah, i just, and I lovedwriting and I thought this is
absolutely what I want to do.
So it sort of started with Evo.
Obviously, i didn't go straightfrom school into it, i did.
(05:59):
I think there was various sortof competitions you could enter.
Weirdly, at the time, sort ofthe Daily Telegraph had one for
young motoring writers whichseemed awfully specific sort of.
When you look at it now, it'ssort of it's that point where
you think am I in the Trumanshow?
because you know why on earthwould somebody run a competition
specifically for young motoringwriters?
That's, you know, that's,that's bizarre.
But then, right, um, enter that.
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And I think I got shortlistedor something like that.
Anyway, i milked that for allit was worth And I should get
work experience through that.
And they're weak with Evo whileI was at university and they're
weak with AutoCars.
But Evo is really where Iwanted to be.
It just just kind of felt, feltlike, hey, i mean, i didn't
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really do much during that firstweek And the most exciting car
I went in was the Citroen C5.
Probably a diesel On the, onthe on the run to Tesco at
lunchtime.
But yeah, it was just fantastic.
I did make myself the motoringeditor of the student rag up at
(07:03):
St Andrews University.
It's called the Saintimaginatively, and yeah, i don't
know, sort of, if they reallywanted a motoring journalist in
their pages.
No, i wouldn't have thought so.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's well, that's 12.
Readers were really excitedabout it.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well, yeah, exactly, and there's I've talked to all,
but there's I somewhere have theback page of it where the top
line of it for the sportssection is Jonathan Palmer
reviews the football season orsomething like that, and then
underneath it Henry Catchpolereviews the new F1 season, which
(07:43):
I always thought was quitequite amusing.
It's pretty good, but yeah,other than that, basically not.
I could just like press passesinto the local race circuit sort
of up there and go along andstand inside the fence and, well
, not have to pay for a ticket.
That was the main thing.
Yeah, yeah, i was a poorstudent So and then came out of
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university, emailed Evo sort of.
Actually, no, i didn't.
I popped in to see Evo once Icame out and I had my sort of
portfolio of two bits and bobsI'd written and sort of perhaps
rushing your column, andobviously what I'd written for
the saint.
She was probably completerubbish, but I popped into the
offices because I was driving upthe M1 in my mini and in my
(08:26):
mind the offices weren't thatfar off the M1.
They're actually quite, quite away away And they, evo, had
just been sort of it was in abit of a transition period and I
just sort of lucked in.
It was just after deadline, soeveryone was quite sort of
relaxed and happy And they saidoh yeah, we're a bit thin on the
ground at the moment because acouple of people had gone I
think Dickie Meaden had justgone freelance, and there was a
(08:49):
sort of jet throw and sort ofstepped up.
So there was that position fora lowly dog's body.
He could make tea and coffeeneither of which I drank at the
time, actually but I made anawful lot of them because that
was about the most useful thingI could do.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Glamorous, and so you basically stalked your way into
your job.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, kind of, yeah, it's kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
you know you thought I'm yeah, i'm just going to go
and hunt these guys down andmake them give me a job.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I like to think of it as sort of showing, showing
initiative and tenacity.
But if you want to stay stalked, that's, you know, that's,
that's your look at, james.
It's all a matter of perception.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I guess, I guess, I guess fruit.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I just, I just googled Henry Catchpole plus the
saint.
I can't find any of your oldworks, unfortunately.
So oh good, Thanks, Yeah, it'spre-internet.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So well, sort of.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And so when you're at Evo, the thing that always
strikes me about that cohort ofwriters is that clearly you can
all.
You can all steer pretty bloodywell as well as right really
well.
Is there equal parts trainingof how to craft a beautiful
narrative and how to put a carinto oversteer and Pose it for
(10:06):
the camera at speed?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, i wouldn't say there's really any training
at all As such.
It was a quite a strange thing.
You definitely had to go andask for feedback on your writing
And, in terms of the driving, ihad something to do with it.
I thought I think I wasprobably not going to last very
long.
I thought I drove far tooslowly, most of which was
(10:31):
because I had crashed a car onwork experience and therefore
thought that I'd somehow managedto get around that and still
potentially have a career inthis, and so the last thing I
wanted to do, so I erred on theside of caution, which was then
probably the wrong thing to do.
But anyway, here we are today.
So, yeah, a lot of it's just abit of practice, because you end
(10:55):
up at circuits, obviously, ifyou can sort of blag a bit of
time at the end of the day andstuff like that, and it's a case
of being You've got to knowwhen to take the risks, to learn
, i suppose, because, like Isaid, they want to know they've
got a safe pair of hands.
Initially, because you're notgoing to be sent out to go.
(11:16):
And Oh, here's a latest GT3.
Could you just go and do thecornering shots over there
Because we need a couple.
It's not going to happen, whichis absolutely brilliant,
because that's not what I wantedto happen.
To be honest, you want thatproper apprenticeship and I was
very lucky that I kind of hadthat Bit of pressure.
Yeah, exactly, and it just So.
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I had Bedford Water Dremens justaround the corner.
That was our sort of homecircuit.
They were very good to me aswell, and sometimes in the
evening I can be able topractice down there a couple of
times And the rest of it, yeah,i sat next to Jathro and Dickey
and John, as you say.
They were absolutely heroes tome and are incredibly good
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drivers, i mean you sort of haveto sit next to them and be able
to watch them jump from one carto another, because you have
these big group tests And it'slike you've got very limited
times.
You've probably got two orthree laps in each car,
sometimes to extract a lap time.
That's good enough And theywere literally just one to the
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other and I would do all thetiming equipment at the time
because again it was another jobthat nobody really wants to do
because it's all a bit sort offaffy and terrible old PC laptop
that was a bit recalcitrant andstuff like that.
So I would do that and stickall the aerials on and make sure
it was all working And thenobviously to check that it was
still working.
We always did our figuring twolaps.
(12:43):
So I got to sit there andluckily I'm not somebody that
gets sick in the car.
So you get to And if you knowwhat you're looking for to some
extent and you have anappreciation of driving and
you're just a sponge, at thatpoint you've got an absolute
front-row seat to see how to doit all.
And I've always been a bit of acase of monkey seat monkey, do I
(13:05):
like that element of it If I'veseen somebody else, hitting and
turning, braking, doingwhatever it is in a car and
understanding how all thesedifferent cars work.
For me that was absolutelybrilliant because you just store
away all this information.
That definitely helped me ahuge amount.
That, and playing GT3 or GT4,possibly Grand Triusmo 4.
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We had a rig in the office.
We had a rig in the office witha big old Sony TV screen and a
flat screen business And arecarious seat and some
scaffolding and stuff like that,and that was brilliant because
I had no friends out there atthe time.
So I was just living out ofB&Bs or sort of you know room in
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some random person's house thatI was paying for.
So I had nothing to do in theevenings other than sit there
and play on this SonyPlayStation.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
You said like quite the catch back in those days,
Henry.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely Yeah, really was.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That takes me back to my early days in London.
I was more of a Project Gothamguy on the Xbox but yeah, i had
many a lonely Friday night witha takeaway pizza in my flat and
chiswick Playing racing games.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And it's what turned us into the nice, rounded people
we are today.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
For me it was Daytona , down at the local, the local
time zone, arcade Daytona andSigarelli with a two.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You do it differently in Australia, though We all
know that.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, it's because we're upside down, exactly.
Yeah, henry, tell me about thattransition from you know,
automotive journalists, thewritten word, into the video
space, into the content space,because it seems as though you
know, for a lot, of, a lot ofmotoring journals, that's a
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transition that's perhaps atough one to make, where they
don't necessarily feelcomfortable stepping in front of
the camera.
How did you find that and didyou deliberately set about?
you've got quite a unique style.
Did you deliberately set aboutcultivating that, or was it just
just sort of by osmosis justhappened?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It wasn't.
I mean, when I started outthere was no sort of.
There was an Evo website, butwe didn't really do much on it,
to be honest, at all, even sortof the written stuff, and
gradually that came in and thenthere was no thought of doing
video at all.
There was Top Gear in the UK,but that was just something
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completely different.
Obviously, clarkson came from amagazine background with some
of the guys that I was workingwith, the Evo, but it just
didn't even hadn't crossed mymind at all.
But as it sort of came along,some guys started sort of
dabbling in it.
I suppose There was that wholeperiod when some of us went off
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and set up Drives Republic andthere was a bit of video stuff
going on.
And then the iPad came out andthere was really a feeling at
the time There was sort of theeconomic troubles as well and
magazines were.
It looked like they were dying.
Everybody was predicting theend of magazines and the iPad
was going to take over and thiswhole digital media usually
comes out.
(16:37):
I was sitting there as arelatively young later in the
journalist thinking, right, howam I going to keep doing this?
So video might have to besomething that I look at doing
And I'd always loved thephotography side of things as
well.
I've taken photos and enjoyedworking with all the fantastic
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photographers at Evo, so I likedthe visual side of it and the
fact that a magazine is kind ofputting a magazine feature
together is a bit like putting avideo together in terms of I
think.
Anyway, if you work with thephotographer to get the photos,
they're going to represent thewords And vice versa.
You might get an amazing photoand then weave that into how you
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tell the stories that you thinkthat's going to be a great open
, so you write it around thephotos.
You have this lovely blend ofimage and word.
So actually, once I got my headaround that and I began looking
at generally other outside theautomotive space, skiing or
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cycling or mountain biking- Itwas top like that maybe just
really really beautiful videosAnd there's nobody really doing
that with cars on the outside oftop gear, and I thought, well,
perhaps we could do that andproduce films that are where I
am just an incidental part of itbecause I have to be in it and
review the car or whatever butmake me make it much more about
scenery and stuff.
So it's not just me.
(18:02):
And I went on I think Dennisprobably is doing set up some
sort of course for people thatwere looking at getting into,
although promoting people to domore video.
And I went along to that and Idon't think I took it terribly
seriously but actually realizedthat that was probably the way
to do it and just be sort ofconfident with it.
(18:22):
If you're, if you're, if you'rereticent about it, it doesn't
work.
And the first few times oncamera you sort of you watch
your back and you go that'sterrible.
And then you realize that youhave to be sort of 150% of
yourself.
Yes, because I, you know I'm afairly quiet, mumbling sort of
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person on my looking on cameraanyway.
But that's me at 150% and Irealize I'm still relatively
quietly spoken.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
That's the feedback way ahead about you.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So yeah, it kind of and I don't script stuff really
at all because that doesn't workfor me I think that's something
that you have to.
you know the idea of learninglines.
you just then stumble over them, so it just be as natural as
possible, i suppose, and talkabout what you've seen feel and
all that.
So yeah, I've enjoyed it.
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I still find it slightly awkwardseeing myself on screen, but
I've got used to it, i supposejust because I have to do it
every day, and just you do getget used to it.
And I look at it.
I see myself on screen and it'sweird.
I don't almost see it as me.
I've managed to somehow detachmyself, so I don't feel quite so
awkward about it.
But yeah, there we go.
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Luckily it seems to work andpeople like watching it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
It's funny, that isn't it?
Because I'll sometimes becutting one of my videos and my
wife will come in and there I amAnd she'll just say you just
watching yourself again.
No, it's not.
I'm not sitting here superimpressed by how amazing I am.
Someone has to cut it, and it'sgot to be me, unfortunately.
So yeah, i sit there looking atmyself all the time and she just
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thinks I'm incredibly nuts, ithink.
But it is true You do.
It's funny what you say abouthaving to be this kind of
amplified version of yourself,because I know with, even with
the pod with James, when we'rejust kind of talking, normally
the way that comes across on thepod can be a little bit low
(20:32):
energy.
It doesn't quite deliver in thesame way.
So you do, everything's got tobe amplified.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, it's a funny old business, isn't it?
There we go.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Do you ever?
there are videos, particularlyyour early ones, that you look
back on and think oh god, infact, what was I thinking there?
or what was the edit decisionwe made there that didn't land?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Oh, yeah, yeah lots.
Thankfully they've generallysort of disappeared off into the
depths of YouTube and they'requite hard to find.
I've made that mistake beforeby pointing ones out.
People have gone far like yeahexactly, and it's generally I
mean I listen back to stuff likevoiceover that you sort of
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think gosh, i just so you sortof I don't know either worthy or
just slightly disinterested atthe time, and again you have to
amp it up and get better.
I'm still not great at it, butin terms of voiceover, but yeah,
there's certain things as well,like just I've realized I've
never been the sort of one formale grooming and sort of having
(21:39):
my haircut twice a week oranything like that Twice a week,
and yeah, whatever it is, idon't know what people do.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Have you been telling him about my routine, james Oh
my god, you can see howperfectly groomed Andy's queers.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I was basically always a bit disheveled and you
know, going through a hedgebackwards sort of thing.
But I realized again that Icouldn't appear on camera
totally disheveled and sort ofgo, oh, it's fine, it doesn't
matter, i'm just myself.
Because then you become adistraction for the people
watching.
If people are watchingcommenting on kind of you could
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have brushed your hair thismorning, or kind of you know,
why didn't you show that half ofyour face or whatever it was,
then they're not looking at thecar and it's become.
You've defeated the point ofmaking the video and you've gone
through all that effort and allpeople are doing is, yeah,
looking at, not the car, whichis not right.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, yeah, misses the point, doesn't it?
So you've had, i think, james.
How many videos of the week hasHenry had at least two, right.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, definitely, and if it was up to you we wouldn't
have anyone else with video ofthe week This week from my Henry
collection.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Look, that may or may not be true, absolutely true.
Well, thank you, it's mostlytrue.
But so that level of productionthat goes into what you do, the
cinematography and the likeit's epic.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It really is next level.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know the drone work.
In fact, james sent me amessage the other day about one
of your videos and he used arather unkind word because he's
just like, yeah, this is so good.
And so my question is whenyou're doing that and you're you
know you're shooting drive-bys.
(23:40):
We get to see this video whereit looks like you're
effortlessly driving through theblack forest or somewhere, but
clearly you're having to drivepast the camera.
Stop, turn around, come backthe other way.
Do you get that opportunity tojust enjoy the car, or is it you
know so much start, stop, getthe shot and all that sort of
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stuff.
How do you balance those things?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, it's, you have to make sure that you get the
chance to enjoy the car, atleast test the car and find out
what it's about, which obviouslyyou're doing sort of all the
time when you're doing shots.
But equally, as you say, is youknow, there's an awful lot to
think about to get the shots andpick the right piece of road in
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the first place.
That helps enormously.
But yeah, you're looking foryour turn around spots.
What sort of shotters thecameraman about to do?
you're doing the right speed?
are you doing?
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, itmeans the car doing the right
thing in the corner, etc.
Etc.
So, yes, you're thinking aboutan awful lot of other things
other than just what is this carlike.
For a lot of the time and a lotof it, it was always the same
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with photography, though youknow you, the best drive on even
something like Ivo car of theyear was often turned from the
hotel at the beginning and theend of the day, and that was the
really, really fun bit, whereyou're not thinking about
anything else other than justdriving the car.
But yeah, i mean you do stillget fantastic kind of moments
(25:11):
just to just to enjoy the car.
And I've always said to peopleI think it's kind of it's, it's
nothing like as glamorous as itlooks, and that's that's part of
my.
My job is obviously to makeeverything look as lovely as
possible, because it's it's notnot what people want to see
really otherwise.
But, um, so it's not asglamorous as it looks, but
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equally, the highs are evenhigher than them.
I can probably convey on film,because you get those moments
that are just just absolutely,absolutely fantastic.
So, yeah, it's, you definitelystill get the chance to try the
cars and enjoy them that'sactually so good to hear,
because I I wondered about that.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So you've got, you know, you think about some of
the cars you've driven 9-11, gt1, shingo, guntherworks,
speedster, gt4, rs, workshop,5000 and one, all of them, right
, the whole gamut.
And then you've got access tothese sort of luminary figures,
like Andy Proeninger,jean-pierre Nicholas, like all
these these moments where youknow the average Joe, like, like
(26:13):
, like me and James here we'renot going to get to be able to
do that, and Do you?
do you still have those pinchyourself moments?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely because Yeah,
I think the moment you don't,you probably stop stop doing the
job Because, yeah, yeah, youknow this is absolutely, and I
love finding new roads and And,yeah, it's just, i still I love
cars.
(26:43):
You know, i love driving.
That's, that's what you know,gives me the biggest kick.
It's, it's the, it's, it's notthe particularly some of the
Value of the car or anythinglike this.
It is how it makes me feel whenI'm driving and driving, yeah,
quickly, slowly, whatever, justthat, that's what gets me out of
(27:06):
bed in the morning.
So I still Look forward to that.
And it's a meeting the people.
That's always, alwaysfascinating and I can't, can't
quite believe some of the peopleI have been able to meet
through the through the job.
I wouldn't sense Wrong sets thebest, because I still love the
cars, but it's just it'ssomething I probably didn't even
(27:26):
really think about When Istarted doing the job that I get
to meet, meet these people.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So, yeah, have you met Joey from friends.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
No, no, I haven't actually no.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's kind of never been in the same room together.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Oh, conspiracy theory .
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I Sure Henry was probably pretty nervous about
meeting us today of courseabsolutely.
Joey, from friends.
So, henry, obviously you driveeverything right, and so James
(28:05):
and I.
Obviously our podcast is very,let's say, porsche centric.
So you know, obviously, thecars you drive.
You drive all the big hittersfrom all the big brands as well
as you know Some of the, the hothatches, all these things, and
so every, every brand has itsplace in this, in this Sort of
universe, automotive universe,let's say, and all of them have
(28:29):
their brilliant things andthey're not so brilliant things.
Can you talk about What youthink makes Porsche so special
in that, in the pantheon ofaspirational automakers, what
perhaps separates it?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Ah, i think it is.
Is it's down to?
it's probably down to theengineering, isn't it really
that?
and there's a, there's the theracing element, which is
undoubtedly important becausethat inspires people.
(29:06):
I think sort of you knowthere's a, you can't help it,
sort of.
You see the growling I love andall you get Sort of wrapped up
in the, the history much at 917or all these stories behind it,
and then For me it's just itcomes back to the driving.
Really, at the end of the day,if it is all that stuff, but at
(29:30):
the heart of it, what makes melove Porsches is the way they
drive.
And Yeah, it's something that Ididn't really get me growing up
.
You know, all things I've justmentioned apply to Ferrari, to
those.
Face it.
And growing up I love Ferrari.
Yeah, they were red.
My favorite color was red.
That was.
That was my favorite.
(29:50):
I have.
I had an entire, you know One tosort of massive great storage
tubs full of all my Ferrarimodels that I collected.
When I got that was the brand,it was more glorious.
They kind of looked not withthis slightly funky shape of a
9-11 that you can us.
It's Mm-hmm, it's they lookmore that.
But you drive a Porsche and youdrive one for the first time And
(30:12):
I did it well, everybody elsedoes as well with you know, even
a car of year and Porschewinning all those times, you
know, before I was joining themagazine, he's really.
It's a Porsche again.
Why kind of you know, surely?
there's a lot of me over therekind of like why, why did that
not not win?
and You kind of.
And then you drive it and Youfeel that gear shift and you
(30:35):
feel that steering, you feel theway that you know in case of a
9-11, that weight distribution.
And Then you drive it a bitmore and then you start sliding
around and Sort of I'm sayingthere are other cars that do it,
but the way that a Porsche,over the limit, seems to keep
(30:56):
gripping and just feels socontrollable when you slide one,
and that feeling is justAddictive and I think that's you
know the way they drive is, youknow fast or slow, but it's
only the best ones where theysound.
That feeling when you're behindthe wheel, that is what makes
(31:18):
people, i think, so enthusiasticand loyal to them.
And Yeah, there's nothing elsequite like it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Do you think as well that the the sort of culture
around them and There's a,there's a level of exclusivity
that perhaps is not at the levelof something like Ferrari or
Lamborghini, where they reallyare reserved for the very lucky
few, whereas you can get into aGen 1 Boxster or you can get
(31:48):
into a 944 or one of these oldercars, have a ripping good time
in them And you're in, you'repart of the gang, you're part of
the community?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, i think that's definitely okay.
So it's slightly depressingwatching the prices of all sorts
of good particular 9-elevensgoing north.
But, as you say, there arestill ones out there that you
can get into for, thankfully,not too much money.
And, yeah, it is different toother things out there.
(32:19):
And while never, you look at,yeah, you look at something like
a Bugani and it's just, it'snot, it's not going to happen.
You know, unless my numberscome up, no, but I'm not going
to have the, even the chance toto everyone.
But you say, it's that thing ofthese, they feel within reach
somehow, and then that sort of,as you go through life, they're
(32:44):
always sort of cars thatremember, like the, when the
latest Elise came out, andloving it Because it was at a
price point where, even at theage I was, i could say, oh, yeah
, one day that might beattainable.
And, like you said, yeah.
So it's the same with thisPorsche.
Oh, hang on Right, here we go.
Coffee, live coffee delivery.
This is great, god, coffee.
Wait.
(33:04):
Yes, there we go, get it Downwith it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
There we go To the audience.
I want to say this is reallyexciting that we're seeing,
We're seeing Henry take deliveryof this coffee, but actually
what I'm looking at is a blankgray wall and Henry's vanished.
There's movement, though, onthe wall shadows.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Perhaps Here we go Coffee.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Should we do live?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
unboxing.
Let's do live unboxing.
Let's do it.
So this is this is so.
I had some Kalana this morningfrom my local office And this is
from Cast Iron, which isactually down by Goodwood.
So anyone that goes to and giveus festival speed or revival or
something, they're just aroundthe corner.
So yeah, it's from Honduras.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
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This episode of Curb and Canyonis brought to you by Cast Iron
Coffee, which is which isslightly different from James's
normal.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
What do you use in the in the Mr Fusion coffee
maker?
James, It's just an.
Skafe international roast.
What are we talking?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
We call it Minnesota Brown.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do you know what?
Talking about those cheapercars, Henry, do you think are we
too obsessed with the GT stuffYou know, for the average get?
should we all just be aspiringto drive, you know, base
Carreras or Carrera T's?
are they on the road?
actually a better propositionin some ways.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, put it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Sorry, base Carrera owners.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I would love to be able to sit here and say that
you know it's, it's not the case, but GT stuff is irritatingly
very, very, very good.
That is not to say that youknow and it's, but again, it's
that kind of.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
So can?
can our clickbait headline beyeah, henry Katchapol says base
Carrera rubbish.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
No, it can't be.
No because so it's and like.
So here's the.
Here's the part is a very goodstory about.
We at Evo had sort of the sortof the dying days of the 997.
There was a white cabriolet,manual on little wheels, with a
(35:40):
red interior.
It was about the most unevensort of spec of 911 that you
could possibly get and it stayedwith us for quite some time, i
think, because the press officeactually forgot about it and we
loved it.
We absolutely.
It was just one of those thingsyou know little wheels, manual
(36:01):
gearbox.
It was fantastic.
So would we have given thechoice of the two of you sitting
next to a GT3 in the car park?
Can I hand on heart say Iwouldn't have gone and driven
the G3?
No, but did we all absolutelylove that white cab?
(36:21):
Yes, we did.
It was great.
So it's it's.
Yeah, i'd love to be honest hereand say that No, you don't
really need a GT3, but it's.
You know 997, you know Gen 2,3.8.
No, it's not really all thatkind of you know, you just just
as well off with the bait.
No, it's not true, but butthere is something to be enjoyed
(36:42):
.
But I think that's kind of thelovely thing is.
Like you say you get these carsand everybody starts sort of
tweaking their cars with the airof making perhaps a little bit
more like a G3.
Or you get a bit here, do this,do that, and yeah it's, you
don't.
You don't have to have a GT3.
I suppose that's the other wayof looking at it, isn't it Sort
(37:04):
of to make it a more positivespin on it.
So yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Just ask, James.
All you need is stripes, right,James?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I was going to say stripes and a spoiler on the
back.
I don't know what you guystalking about.
I have.
I have never tried to make anyof my cars look like the GT3.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
The king of the mods.
the king of the mods, henry, doyou think you perhaps maybe
have a little bit more inside ofan inside line than than the
rest of us do?
Is?
is Porsche heading in the rightdirection?
Are they keeping on doing theright sort of stuff that, as
enthusiasts, we want to see fromthem?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I think they generally are.
I think it's a very difficultworld generally that we're
living in in terms of theautomotive sense.
I mean, yeah, okay, the factthat they still produce manual
GT3s with naturally aspiratedengines, you know they haven't
gone chasing the big horsepowerwith GT3.
(38:10):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know.
You look at the new naturallyaspirated 4-litre engine in GT4,
or even the GTS 4-litre.
They're doing this right.
Yeah, they're absolutely doingthis right to that extent.
And you drive stuff like the,even the Taycan.
(38:33):
I did a film with Taycan GTS notlong ago and it there's an
awful lot of sort of.
It seems to be so polarizingthe whole EV thing, and I get it
.
You know I'm not about sittinghere and saying that I suddenly
love EVs because it's going tokeep me in a job or something
like that.
You know I'm terrified of thefact when they all become EVs.
(38:53):
But but having said that,driving Taycan GTS, it gives me
some sort of hope because and itdidn't initially I drove Taycan
Terras on the launch did notlike it at all.
It just seemed to be doing thatstandard EV thing.
All the things I'd hoped wewould get from Porsche didn't
(39:14):
seem to be there.
It just seemed to be a rocketship and a straight line, a bit
kind of funky in the corners andyou know it could accelerate
faster than it stopped, which isnot really a nice thing.
And then eventually I drove thereal drive version under a GTS
and all those sort of Porschethings came, came back in again
And the lovely steering feel andthe balance and it just all the
(39:39):
tactility and the car made upfor another fact And they backed
off the things like having areally nicely progressive
throttle, so you didn't get allthat from the EV drivetrain
straight away.
You could.
You could meter it out on adecent road.
So yeah, they put all thatPorsche back into, which gives
(40:01):
me hope for when they sort of gofull EV for a sports car.
But yeah, I think by and large,it's a tricky market.
I think, porsche, they're notgoing to get it right all the
time, but they haven't in thepast either.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So by and large, yeah , you know that gives me a lot
of hope, because I drove theTaycan Turbo and you know, was
blown away by the power, but atthe same time I felt like the
car you know sort of beendelivered to me without a soul
And I kind of feel that Tesla isvery, very much that way as
(40:37):
well.
I guess you know you think aboutdigital technology and you
think about, you know, thatwhole sort of realm you start
thinking about.
you know, black and white, onor off, binary, one and zero.
But to hear that they can takean electric drivetrain like that
and start to put the Porscheaspects of it back into the car,
which they may have missed,intentionally or not, the first
(41:01):
time around, that's fantastic,because that's one of the things
that I really love about thepetrol powered cars is just that
sort of feeling that you needto work with the machine to get
the best out of it.
You're there as part of theexperience.
you're not just along for theride, you're not just a
passenger, you're really part ofthat particular drive in that
(41:25):
particular moment and makingevery single part of the
experience happen.
You are a central part of that.
the driver is a part of that.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, and I think the thing that is important to
remember in all of that is thatyou need driver 911, yes, having
the flat seat is a huge part ofit, but so much of what we love
about a 911 is not to do withthe flat six, or at least not to
do with necessarily the soundit makes or the way it pulls us
(41:55):
up the road, it's position inthe car, it's the steering feel
that we'll talk about, it's thebraking or the chassis moves,
all those other things whichhave to be amplified even more
in an electric car, for sure,but a big part of what makes us
love a driver's car is stillthere in an EV.
(42:17):
Yeah, we don't get the soundI'm not about to say that and,
like I said, it sounds like I'mbeing a huge EV fanboy or
something like that which Irecognise the problems, but
there has to be some sort ofhope for these things and I
think the GTA shows that it canbe done.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, there's got to be a pathway forward, doesn't
there?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, porsche.
Obviously they listen to ourpart every week.
If you could take theopportunity to maybe give them
some constructive feedback, whatcould they be doing differently
?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
So something I thought about for a while is I
haven't driven the latest T yet.
I have to build it at somepoint.
But I think with the whole Tthing I certainly thought with
the previous ones it would begreat if the T could be that
proper but, yes, cheaper andmake it absolutely sort of.
(43:21):
You can only get it with amanual box actually.
No, you could have PDK with it.
Fair enough, you have thatoption in there, because I know
not everybody can have a manual.
So that seems wrong, to kind of.
But fun to get your choice ofgearbox, but it's on small
wheels.
You don't get sort of.
They say this is the absolutedriver's spec.
(43:41):
If you want a Porsche 911because you'd want to drive it,
that's just what you want it for.
You give it the manual airconor whatever or sort of take a
screen away, just strip it rightback, and you cannot spec it up
because obviously at the momentwith a T you can spec it up to
be something big or anything.
You can't get cons aroundbrakes on it.
(44:03):
You can't do any of this stuff.
It's the base model, so it'snot a cheaper way into.
You can almost make it sort ofcomfortable enough.
But you know what I mean sortof unattractive enough to the
casual Porsche that's going towalk in.
That's not going to go for thestart, so it just appeals to
that.
Make it the absolute grassroots911 of the people that want one
(44:29):
for driving.
That would be my plea to them,i think.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Well, you heard it here first Porsche, but you know
it's funny because I have thatconversation with friends all
the time and I reckon 60 to 70%of the T's that come up for sale
in the Australian market atleast on the second hand market
I'm talking most of them arespecced up PDK, sunroof, rear
(44:58):
seats, like everything you knowit's basically it goes back to
being a Carrera S, but it's gota quasi special badge on it and
that's fine.
I mean, i don't begrudgeanybody their spec choices on
any car that they order and I'vegot You have, though you have
really Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You can jump in the seat, don't you?
you kind of you see it.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You see it, but I would never say it.
It's public.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
You mutter it quietly , vaguely, within hearing
distance.
What was that?
did you say something?
did you say something again?
no, no, no, no, no.
Just cough something in thethroat, back of the throat,
nightmare.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yes but look, we all do it right, but at the end of
the day, like I say, everyone'sentitled to their spec choices.
but when the occasional onecomes up where it's specced with
no rear seats and no sunroofand it's manual, i think, yeah,
that person got it right.
Henry, tell me you've drivensome of these amazing air cooled
(45:58):
cars as well as the modernstuff, and how does it?
how do those two experiencesdiffer?
and perhaps not just in purelysubjective terms, but even just
the feel you get from, say, anair cooled 911 versus, you know,
some of the more modern stuff?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh, blimey, i suppose it's inevitably roura with the
air cooled stuff.
It's yeah, i suppose it's justthat bit.
A bit.
Roura is the kind of you'regoing to sum it up into
(46:36):
something that's your real sortof takeaway.
But there is because there areso many other things going on as
well that it's sometimes hardto take the two things that are
apart, because there's thatclear delineation from sort of
there was such a step changewith 996 onwards that to just
(47:01):
sort of split into air cooledand kettles is kind of tricky in
a way.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Do you think you you look for?
because I've sort of drivenboth, obviously my cars a 964, i
owned a GT4 for a little whileand I always found that there
were things to love in eachexperience that were sometimes
similar but sometimes different.
Right and in the 964, forexample, when you're on it in
(47:34):
the twisties you're moving everypart of your body, both arms
are involved, both feet aredancing.
You know my friend Gerard talksabout it's like playing the
you're doing the bongo dance,versus in the GT4 where you've
got rev matching, and It's not abetter or worse experience,
because then you're excitedabout the way it sounds, the
(47:55):
tune in all those differentthings and it's just a.
It's just a differentexperience that's equally as
captivating in its own way.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, i think that's absolutely right, isn't it?
It's a, as I say, it's that,and it's funny how perceptions
change over time as well,obviously because the further we
get away from those earlywatercool cars you know the nine
or six is, the more we jumpback into one of those now and
kind of a lot of what you'resaying about the, the air-cooled
(48:23):
experience, actually now wefind in that and you think, oh,
this car's moving around a lotmore and it's kind of, you know,
it's as small as it is and kindof, so all that stuff is
actually just migrating furtherup the food chain in terms of
just pure and an age factor andthe fact that cars got sort of
bigger over over age.
So, yeah, i think there's allsorts of that great, you know,
(48:46):
shot is that of all thedifferent 9-elevens over the
years, with the sort of the, therears of them or whatever that
they produce, and it's just thatyou can see it right there, and
the further ones go back downthe line yeah it inevitably
changes over time.
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
It's interesting, isn't it?
Because it's less.
It's probably less aboutair-cooled, v-water-cooled, and
not that I'm trying toperpetuate those sort of
delineations and lines that wesometimes draw in the sand.
But, as you say, i rememberdriving at a 991 for a period
and getting out of that car anddriving my friends 996 and
(49:26):
thinking this car feelsperfection, it's the perfect
size, it's so nimble, so agilebut has just that enough level
of modernity in the drive.
And, james, you've gone from991 to 996.
Yeah, and that car was supposedto be a project car.
And look at you, you can't getrid of it.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I know just that's right.
Every time I get into it I'mlike, yeah, this is my car, i
love it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, henry, the drives you've had, if we said
Porsches that we've seen in yourfilms, is there one that stands
out?
Is the one where you think?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
that was epic.
I mean I'm so lucky becausethere have been so many and so
many different experiences.
Like, say, i go back to theBoxster GTS on the Yorker, which
just was something very specialabout that car, which again I
think came back to some of theattainable nature of that.
(50:26):
You're driving around thinking,yeah, one day maybe this could
be, but it was such spectacularroads and we were up from World
War II to long after sunset andit was with doing that job, with
good friends as well Sam Rileyand Dean Smith and you're there
enjoying just the wholeexperience of that.
(50:50):
You just drive obviously neveron camera workshop 5001, that
car.
There was something about thatthat I absolutely loved, i hope
you'd say that It's just such acool car and so many people
don't really know about workshop5001, but it's, yeah, i don't
(51:15):
know.
Just I know it was veryexpensive and I think it got a
lot of sort of flack in thecomments about that.
Because it was such anexpensive car We went with a
headline which is probably a bitsort of wrong in a way, but
they're all all those things areparticularly expensive and it
was.
I remember seeing it it was atthe Quail week before and all
(51:37):
the amazing stuff that's thereand the Titan Safari kind of
stuff.
But it's just this little kindof unobtrusive, almost car with
no great big wings, in quite anunassuming color and stuff like
that.
It was a bit of a sound of it,unbelievable.
So yeah, i have very fondmemories of that car, driving,
(52:00):
say, some of the Tuthill rallycars, because I'm a rally boy, a
heart, and I love, love rallycars, so that kind of always
driving the RGT.
And nothing makes me happy thanfinding another 906 or 997
rally car on YouTube and someonboard footage, so the chance
(52:20):
to play it play it a bit.
Doing that for a bit was, yeah,a lot of fun In terms of films.
Weirdly, i think it's probablythe one that makes that I'm
probably proudest of is the iswas not such a specifically
Porsche, but also was.
Was the manuals matter filmthat I did Classic And I keep
(52:45):
thinking if I can try and dosomething like that again for
Hagerty.
So I might have to try and doit.
But then recently on Hagerty wedid the GT4 RS again out in the
States, which was so much funto see, meeting Lee Keane for
(53:06):
the first time never met himbefore and a great bunch of guys
and all the other cars thatwere there on the Smokies GT was
.
That was great.
What a car park that was.
So, yeah, i think manualsmatter is special just because
it felt like a different thingand a bit of a lioness and no,
the awesome sort of made a filmlike that.
(53:27):
So, yeah, that was, that wasgood.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
I love that.
I actually just watched itearlier and you know the little
sequence with the coffee and theeyeball and all that stuff.
It's actually, it's so welldone And the way you explain it
is it's just terrific, it's it'sit's because it's hard to
articulate why, what, what amanual gearbox brings to the
(53:53):
experience, and not just becauseit's obviously not as quick as
a PDK or something similar, butto explain what it actually adds
to it.
I think you did.
You did such a great job.
So, yeah, i'm glad that some ofthe films you mentioned are
certainly some of my favorites.
Henry, if we said we'll finishthis up in a sec, if we said,
(54:14):
day after tomorrow you can neverdrive another great road and
never drive another Porsche, buttomorrow you can drive any
Porsche on any road, anywhere,no cameras, just you and the car
, where, what are you drivingand where are you going?
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Ah, i am going to drive, oh, i'm going to drive a
2.7 RS, because I've neverdriven one But I have been in
one, i've been in the passengerseat and everything I know.
So the people I trust I thinkit would be.
I love the idea of a 2.7 RSdaily beta.
(54:54):
I think that's kind of thatwould be good.
So maybe a little bit of lightrally sort of prep in there as
well, just to kind of sparse itup a bit, oh yeah.
And then where am I driving?
Oh, it's going to be Scotland,because I love Scotland.
Oh nice, and, as I said, i wentto university there and I always
(55:17):
just feel I love the very thatthe rough and tumble nature of
UK roads is, you know, i'm sure,the bane of many of the chassis
engineers life, but when theymake it work and Porsche by a
large does seem to make it workit makes the roads so
(55:39):
interesting and and gives yousomething to do.
There's that little bit of arally stage in there.
So maybe, maybe it would be theroad up through the cangons,
the sort of the old militaryroad which I still love And it's
so yeah, yeah, 2.7 RS up in, upin Scotland.
That'll be.
(55:59):
That's my choice.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Nice, that's, that's, that's pretty good.
Hey James, what about you?
Turbo S straight to Chipotle.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
Ah, chipotle, pretty much Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Give me, give me one of my straight roads in
Minnesota and, you know, get meto McDonald's as quickly as
possible.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
The whole question was just that.
It was literally.
You don't care about my answerat all.
It's just a set up Absolutelyteed it up just to be able to
deliver that line to James.
That was a fair play, nicelydone.
Here's me.
Instead of thinking, yeah, iput a load of reference, wow,
i've picked well with a car, ohyeah.
I wrote Oh, you're sitting inthe seat.
He's going to stop in a minuteand then I'm just going to be
able to deliver the line Here weare, you are.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Fair play, i'm not, i'm not going to sit here and
take that.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
I'm not actually the lines question.
I'm going to have to stop this.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
That that that question actually came.
He's going to hate me for doingthis, but it came from my
friend, anthony.
He said I said you got anythingyou want me to ask?
And he couldn't think ofanything.
And I said oh, what about ifyou just say Anthony?
Speaker 2 (57:10):
says hi and.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Henry, give him a shout out.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
But then he said ask him favorite road, favorite car.
So there you go.
Fantastic.
Well, henry, what an honorhaving you on the pod.
Thank you for bringing a littlebit of sophistication to an
otherwise knuckleheaded pod.
We run here at Kerber Canyon.
(57:37):
It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
There we go.
Can I recommend a film of theweek?
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, Oh yeah, please .
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Or film of the pod on one of it, And so it's actually
one.
It's slightly easier, I feel,but it's not one of mine, So I
feel like I can say it.
But it's on the HaggertyYouTube channel that they did
the Porsche Le Mans film.
It's about 45 minutes long andmy friend over in the US, Matt,
to chill out, I did it And ifyou haven't seen it, kind of you
might have mentioned before.
If you have, I'm sorry, I kindof know we haven't, But yeah
(58:08):
it's.
it's really really good.
I sat there and thoroughlyenjoyed that.
So, yeah, I'd hardly recommendit.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Right, give it a go.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, great It's, it's beautifully done.
You you heard it here FirstPeople the Le Mans film that
Haggerty did.
Yeah it is, It's brilliant,That's great.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Just lots of nice interviews aren't there?
I think so.
Lots of nice people.
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it'sgood, ok, yeah it is brilliant.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
It is brilliant.
Well, henry, we'll let you goand get on with your day again.
Thank you so much for joiningus here on Curb and Canyon.
It's been an absolute pleasure,and if you're ever down in
Australia, look us up, comedriving with us, we'll do.
Or if you're in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah absolutely Cheers, henry, thank you.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
It's been great Thanks.
Thank you very much, guys.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
How good was that?
I'm you know that, that thingabout meeting your heroes and
that whole thing.
He was exactly as I thought hewould be.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, yeah, very genuine.
I just what a career you know I20 years, the story you know,
going back to university yearsand interning, and you know,
trying to really make it happenfor himself and the magazines,
the cars, the people, theeverything that he's done.
(59:34):
Well, what a fantastic careerand just what a what a really
nice, genuine, genuine fella.
Yeah, i really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, same, same.
And it's funny, isn't it?
You think about all the workhe's put into making that happen
And you know.
Then you got people like us whojust put a camera in front of
ourselves and say, hey, welcometo.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Hey, speak for yourself, son.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Well, anyway, that was, that was a massive treat.
I hope you guys enjoyedlistening to Henry as much as we
enjoyed chatting with him.
That was, yeah, that was thatwas a great experience.
You know, James, that's one ofthe great things about this pod.
You know, like I was thinkingabout this the other day It was.
You know, you and me have nevermet yet.
You're a really great mate.
You know, it's just beensomething that's yeah, it's
(01:00:22):
brilliant.
I love it And through it, youknow, you meet these people that
you that you wouldn't otherwisehave the opportunity to connect
with Just awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Awesome, totally, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Well, thank you guys all for listening, as always.
We genuinely appreciate it.
Thanks for all the comments onInsta and the DMs and the like.
It's unreal.
Please, if you're not already,follow us Kerbin Canyon on
Instagram, james Auto amateur onInstagram and YouTube, and me,
andy last rasp, on Instagram andYouTube.
(01:00:53):
I think that's all the handleswe need to mention, no.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, maybe Joey Trippiani at TotalLone11.com, i
don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Well, actually, and check, well obviously, follow
Henry Catchpal on on Instagramand then Haggerty on YouTube.
He's not doing the car sectionstuff anymore, but if you
haven't checked out his films,obviously, please do that.
And we will also link toHenry's suggested video of the
week.
(01:01:21):
How's that?
He did a video of the week.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I love it.
Yeah, just totally jumping inwith both feet.
That's awesome.
All right, guys, we'll see youin another pod soon.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
See you again.
James McGraw.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Andy Gawnes how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good to see you.
Look at you up bright and early, sparky, ready to face the day.
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, you know what?
Just, it's amazing what I cando without coffee.
actually, i haven't had any yet, but I'm doing.
I'm excited about this week's,this week's pod We're going to.
we're going to mix it up alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, i felt, yeah, that's it, we have got a special
guest.
And I wonder if that's perhapswhy you're up as early as you
are and and Brad Art and bushytailed the way you are, because
you're excited about this veryspecial guest we have tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I think you're talking about yourself, to be
honest, considering it's five inthe morning for me, but you
were phoning me much earlierthan five o'clock to make sure
that I was out of bed and that Iwas ready.
I know you're excited for todayI mean I am but I know you are.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You got some clues.
You know who this is.
It's someone from theautomotive world.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's quite a big name , isn't it?
It's Joey from Friends.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's not.
Joey from Friends.
Let me do you know he's sittingthere on the line patiently.
I need to bring him in.
I feel like I'm hosting anepisode of smart less here.
So I've got to say you're right.
I am super excited about thisguest And in fact I'm actually a
little bit nervous, Because inthe automotive journalism world
there are a few better than thisman.
There are a few whose contentis as beautifully produced, few
(01:31):
who can so clearly articulatethe feeling behind the wheel of
a car that most of us will neverexperience.
And he has this poeticism tohis voice.
And even my wife, Kath, willwatch his videos because she
reckons he sounds like KevinMacLeod.
This guy's a Mad King cyclist.
He looks as fit as a fiddle Andhe has some of the best
(01:52):
sideburns I've seen since LukePerry in Beverly Hills 90210.
I'm going to say it up frontthis is a big fanboy moment for
me, James.
It's the one, It's the only,Henry catchpal No way, Henry
welcome, thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Thank you very much.
I feel like I now would saysort of sort of how you doing So
.
I'm so sorry I'm not.
Joey from friends, matt LeBlancwould be much better.
Everyone's now verydisappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I can't believe you actually went with the top gear
presenter of all the people youcould have thrown in there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know what.
Maybe it's just because I washoping for Joey from friends.
No, no, henry catchpal, henry,henry, welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm definitely more Chandler anyway, so fair enough,
maybe me too.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Henry, welcome to the pod.
I don't know how much you knowabout Curb and Canyon, but but
pretty much every episode we'reoften sort of talking about you
referring to you, and it's justincredible that we got you on
the pod.
I like I'm blown away,absolutely blown away.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
It's a pleasure We're doing this.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I need to use the chat portion So that's so good
to hear because, as a few of myfriends have somewhat unkindly
asked, how the hell did we getyou to agree to come on the pod
You?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
sent me a message on Instagram and I replied and
that's.
You know, that's the way we did.
It's kind of I try and reply tomost messages on Instagram one
way or another and don't flub mewith them.
It takes me a while generally,as you know, but yeah try and
get around to it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, and you're exceedingly nice.
Exceedingly nice, Henry.
For those who don't know andthere wouldn't be many, I assume
who, who is Henry, catch pole.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Henry catch pole is a tall British motoring
journalist.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Wait, there are two of us.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
A lot of coffee.
I'm drinking my coffee.
Actually, the only reason we,the only reason we might get
interrupted is because I've gotthe coffee delivery coming At
some point, so I have no controlof that.
So if we have to pause, it'sfor good reason, because there
is good coffee coming fromthat's totally cool.
So yeah, cast on coffee roastersactually.
So I'm on Kalona at the moment,but yeah, anyway, i digress.
(04:05):
I am 41 years old And I've beendoing this for best part of 20
years now, and by this I meanbeing a being a motoring
journalist.
So yeah, good Lord, i likecycling as well Running, yeah
yeah, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Amazing Henry, take me back to those early days.
those early journalism days waswas was, evo, the beginning?
Does it go back further thanthat?
How did it all start for you?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So it really started.
It sort of started with Evo insome ways.
I bought car magazines beforethat sort of stuff.
My parents were into cars verymuch.
They met through MGs way backin in the 60s And I suppose I
(04:52):
yeah, i'd always loved cars wasone that sort of thing.
But it was when Evo came out asa magazine that my best friend
at school, bruce, his father,bought the first issue of Evo
because he was thinking aboutbuying a Maserati 3300 and 3200.
(05:12):
It's much better.
And so he bought the firstissue.
Bruce nicked it off him, inicked it off Bruce and I read
it And I just thought this iskind of this is brilliant And
I'd read sort of performancecard for that.
So I knew some of the names andthings.
But there was something aboutEvo And they're kind of, i'd say
, seriously, because they didn'ttake it too seriously, but it
was beautifully written andfantastic photography.
(05:34):
I just thought this, this iswhat I want to do.
I wasn't everybody dreams ofbeing a driver, being a Formula
One driver, rally driver,whatever But I hadn't been put
in a car to the age of two.
I clearly, you know I was tootall for single seaters even by
that point Anyway.
So, yeah, i just, and I lovedwriting and I thought this is
absolutely what I want to do.
So it sort of started with Evo.
Obviously, i didn't go straightfrom school into it, i did.
(05:59):
I think there was various sortof competitions you could enter.
Weirdly, at the time, sort ofthe Daily Telegraph had one for
young motoring writers whichseemed awfully specific sort of.
When you look at it now, it'ssort of it's that point where
you think am I in the Trumanshow?
because you know why on earthwould somebody run a competition
specifically for young motoringwriters?
That's, you know, that's,that's bizarre.
But then, right, um, enter that.
(06:22):
And I think I got shortlistedor something like that.
Anyway, i milked that for allit was worth And I should get
work experience through that.
And they're weak with Evo whileI was at university and they're
weak with AutoCars.
But Evo is really where Iwanted to be.
It just just kind of felt, feltlike, hey, i mean, i didn't
(06:42):
really do much during that firstweek And the most exciting car
I went in was the Citroen C5.
Probably a diesel On the, onthe on the run to Tesco at
lunchtime.
But yeah, it was just fantastic.
I did make myself the motoringeditor of the student rag up at
(07:03):
St Andrews University.
It's called the Saintimaginatively, and yeah, i don't
know, sort of, if they reallywanted a motoring journalist in
their pages.
No, i wouldn't have thought so.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
That's well, that's 12.
Readers were really excitedabout it.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well, yeah, exactly, and there's I've talked to all,
but there's I somewhere have theback page of it where the top
line of it for the sportssection is Jonathan Palmer
reviews the football season orsomething like that, and then
underneath it Henry Catchpolereviews the new F1 season, which
(07:43):
I always thought was quitequite amusing.
It's pretty good, but yeah,other than that, basically not.
I could just like press passesinto the local race circuit sort
of up there and go along andstand inside the fence and, well
, not have to pay for a ticket.
That was the main thing.
Yeah, yeah, i was a poorstudent So and then came out of
(08:04):
university, emailed Evo sort of.
Actually, no, i didn't.
I popped in to see Evo once Icame out and I had my sort of
portfolio of two bits and bobsI'd written and sort of perhaps
rushing your column, andobviously what I'd written for
the saint.
She was probably completerubbish, but I popped into the
offices because I was driving upthe M1 in my mini and in my
(08:26):
mind the offices weren't thatfar off the M1.
They're actually quite, quite away away And they, evo, had
just been sort of it was in abit of a transition period and I
just sort of lucked in.
It was just after deadline, soeveryone was quite sort of
relaxed and happy And they saidoh yeah, we're a bit thin on the
ground at the moment because acouple of people had gone I
think Dickie Meaden had justgone freelance, and there was a
(08:49):
sort of jet throw and sort ofstepped up.
So there was that position fora lowly dog's body.
He could make tea and coffeeneither of which I drank at the
time, actually but I made anawful lot of them because that
was about the most useful thingI could do.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Glamorous, and so you basically stalked your way into
your job.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, kind of, yeah, it's kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
you know you thought I'm yeah, i'm just going to go
and hunt these guys down andmake them give me a job.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I like to think of it as sort of showing, showing
initiative and tenacity.
But if you want to stay stalked, that's, you know, that's,
that's your look at, james.
It's all a matter of perception.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I guess, I guess, I guess fruit.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I just, I just googled Henry Catchpole plus the
saint.
I can't find any of your oldworks, unfortunately.
So oh good, Thanks, Yeah, it'spre-internet.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So well, sort of.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And so when you're at Evo, the thing that always
strikes me about that cohort ofwriters is that clearly you can
all.
You can all steer pretty bloodywell as well as right really
well.
Is there equal parts trainingof how to craft a beautiful
narrative and how to put a carinto oversteer and Pose it for
(10:06):
the camera at speed?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, i wouldn't say there's really any training
at all As such.
It was a quite a strange thing.
You definitely had to go andask for feedback on your writing
And, in terms of the driving, ihad something to do with it.
I thought I think I wasprobably not going to last very
long.
I thought I drove far tooslowly, most of which was
(10:31):
because I had crashed a car onwork experience and therefore
thought that I'd somehow managedto get around that and still
potentially have a career inthis, and so the last thing I
wanted to do, so I erred on theside of caution, which was then
probably the wrong thing to do.
But anyway, here we are today.
So, yeah, a lot of it's just abit of practice, because you end
(10:55):
up at circuits, obviously, ifyou can sort of blag a bit of
time at the end of the day andstuff like that, and it's a case
of being You've got to knowwhen to take the risks, to learn
, i suppose, because, like Isaid, they want to know they've
got a safe pair of hands.
Initially, because you're notgoing to be sent out to go.
(11:16):
And Oh, here's a latest GT3.
Could you just go and do thecornering shots over there
Because we need a couple.
It's not going to happen, whichis absolutely brilliant,
because that's not what I wantedto happen.
To be honest, you want thatproper apprenticeship and I was
very lucky that I kind of hadthat Bit of pressure.
Yeah, exactly, and it just So.
(11:36):
I had Bedford Water Dremens justaround the corner.
That was our sort of homecircuit.
They were very good to me aswell, and sometimes in the
evening I can be able topractice down there a couple of
times And the rest of it, yeah,i sat next to Jathro and Dickey
and John, as you say.
They were absolutely heroes tome and are incredibly good
(12:00):
drivers, i mean you sort of haveto sit next to them and be able
to watch them jump from one carto another, because you have
these big group tests And it'slike you've got very limited
times.
You've probably got two orthree laps in each car,
sometimes to extract a lap time.
That's good enough And theywere literally just one to the
(12:23):
other and I would do all thetiming equipment at the time
because again it was another jobthat nobody really wants to do
because it's all a bit sort offaffy and terrible old PC laptop
that was a bit recalcitrant andstuff like that.
So I would do that and stickall the aerials on and make sure
it was all working And thenobviously to check that it was
still working.
We always did our figuring twolaps.
(12:43):
So I got to sit there andluckily I'm not somebody that
gets sick in the car.
So you get to And if you knowwhat you're looking for to some
extent and you have anappreciation of driving and
you're just a sponge, at thatpoint you've got an absolute
front-row seat to see how to doit all.
And I've always been a bit of acase of monkey seat monkey, do I
(13:05):
like that element of it If I'veseen somebody else, hitting and
turning, braking, doingwhatever it is in a car and
understanding how all thesedifferent cars work.
For me that was absolutelybrilliant because you just store
away all this information.
That definitely helped me ahuge amount.
That, and playing GT3 or GT4,possibly Grand Triusmo 4.
(13:33):
We had a rig in the office.
We had a rig in the office witha big old Sony TV screen and a
flat screen business And arecarious seat and some
scaffolding and stuff like that,and that was brilliant because
I had no friends out there atthe time.
So I was just living out ofB&Bs or sort of you know room in
(13:55):
some random person's house thatI was paying for.
So I had nothing to do in theevenings other than sit there
and play on this SonyPlayStation.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
You said like quite the catch back in those days,
Henry.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely Yeah, really was.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
That takes me back to my early days in London.
I was more of a Project Gothamguy on the Xbox but yeah, i had
many a lonely Friday night witha takeaway pizza in my flat and
chiswick Playing racing games.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And it's what turned us into the nice, rounded people
we are today.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
For me it was Daytona , down at the local, the local
time zone, arcade Daytona andSigarelli with a two.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You do it differently in Australia, though We all
know that.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, it's because we're upside down, exactly.
Yeah, henry, tell me about thattransition from you know,
automotive journalists, thewritten word, into the video
space, into the content space,because it seems as though you
know, for a lot, of, a lot ofmotoring journals, that's a
(15:10):
transition that's perhaps atough one to make, where they
don't necessarily feelcomfortable stepping in front of
the camera.
How did you find that and didyou deliberately set about?
you've got quite a unique style.
Did you deliberately set aboutcultivating that, or was it just
just sort of by osmosis justhappened?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
It wasn't.
I mean, when I started outthere was no sort of.
There was an Evo website, butwe didn't really do much on it,
to be honest, at all, even sortof the written stuff, and
gradually that came in and thenthere was no thought of doing
video at all.
There was Top Gear in the UK,but that was just something
(15:52):
completely different.
Obviously, clarkson came from amagazine background with some
of the guys that I was workingwith, the Evo, but it just
didn't even hadn't crossed mymind at all.
But as it sort of came along,some guys started sort of
dabbling in it.
I suppose There was that wholeperiod when some of us went off
(16:17):
and set up Drives Republic andthere was a bit of video stuff
going on.
And then the iPad came out andthere was really a feeling at
the time There was sort of theeconomic troubles as well and
magazines were.
It looked like they were dying.
Everybody was predicting theend of magazines and the iPad
was going to take over and thiswhole digital media usually
comes out.
(16:37):
I was sitting there as arelatively young later in the
journalist thinking, right, howam I going to keep doing this?
So video might have to besomething that I look at doing
And I'd always loved thephotography side of things as
well.
I've taken photos and enjoyedworking with all the fantastic
(16:58):
photographers at Evo, so I likedthe visual side of it and the
fact that a magazine is kind ofputting a magazine feature
together is a bit like putting avideo together in terms of I
think.
Anyway, if you work with thephotographer to get the photos,
they're going to represent thewords And vice versa.
You might get an amazing photoand then weave that into how you
(17:18):
tell the stories that you thinkthat's going to be a great open
, so you write it around thephotos.
You have this lovely blend ofimage and word.
So actually, once I got my headaround that and I began looking
at generally other outside theautomotive space, skiing or
(17:41):
cycling or mountain biking- Itwas top like that maybe just
really really beautiful videosAnd there's nobody really doing
that with cars on the outside oftop gear, and I thought, well,
perhaps we could do that andproduce films that are where I
am just an incidental part of itbecause I have to be in it and
review the car or whatever butmake me make it much more about
scenery and stuff.
So it's not just me.
(18:02):
And I went on I think Dennisprobably is doing set up some
sort of course for people thatwere looking at getting into,
although promoting people to domore video.
And I went along to that and Idon't think I took it terribly
seriously but actually realizedthat that was probably the way
to do it and just be sort ofconfident with it.
(18:22):
If you're, if you're, if you'rereticent about it, it doesn't
work.
And the first few times oncamera you sort of you watch
your back and you go that'sterrible.
And then you realize that youhave to be sort of 150% of
yourself.
Yes, because I, you know I'm afairly quiet, mumbling sort of
(18:43):
person on my looking on cameraanyway.
But that's me at 150% and Irealize I'm still relatively
quietly spoken.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
That's the feedback way ahead about you.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
So yeah, it kind of and I don't script stuff really
at all because that doesn't workfor me I think that's something
that you have to.
you know the idea of learninglines.
you just then stumble over them, so it just be as natural as
possible, i suppose, and talkabout what you've seen feel and
all that.
So yeah, I've enjoyed it.
(19:23):
I still find it slightly awkwardseeing myself on screen, but
I've got used to it, i supposejust because I have to do it
every day, and just you do getget used to it.
And I look at it.
I see myself on screen and it'sweird.
I don't almost see it as me.
I've managed to somehow detachmyself, so I don't feel quite so
awkward about it.
But yeah, there we go.
(19:45):
Luckily it seems to work andpeople like watching it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
It's funny, that isn't it?
Because I'll sometimes becutting one of my videos and my
wife will come in and there I amAnd she'll just say you just
watching yourself again.
No, it's not.
I'm not sitting here superimpressed by how amazing I am.
Someone has to cut it, and it'sgot to be me, unfortunately.
So yeah, i sit there looking atmyself all the time and she just
(20:11):
thinks I'm incredibly nuts, ithink.
But it is true You do.
It's funny what you say abouthaving to be this kind of
amplified version of yourself,because I know with, even with
the pod with James, when we'rejust kind of talking, normally
the way that comes across on thepod can be a little bit low
(20:32):
energy.
It doesn't quite deliver in thesame way.
So you do, everything's got tobe amplified.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, it's a funny old business, isn't it?
There we go.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Do you ever?
there are videos, particularlyyour early ones, that you look
back on and think oh god, infact, what was I thinking there?
or what was the edit decisionwe made there that didn't land?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Oh, yeah, yeah lots.
Thankfully they've generallysort of disappeared off into the
depths of YouTube and they'requite hard to find.
I've made that mistake beforeby pointing ones out.
People have gone far like yeahexactly, and it's generally I
mean I listen back to stuff likevoiceover that you sort of
(21:16):
think gosh, i just so you sortof I don't know either worthy or
just slightly disinterested atthe time, and again you have to
amp it up and get better.
I'm still not great at it, butin terms of voiceover, but yeah,
there's certain things as well,like just I've realized I've
never been the sort of one formale grooming and sort of having
(21:39):
my haircut twice a week oranything like that Twice a week,
and yeah, whatever it is, idon't know what people do.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Have you been telling him about my routine, james Oh
my god, you can see howperfectly groomed Andy's queers.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I was basically always a bit disheveled and you
know, going through a hedgebackwards sort of thing.
But I realized again that Icouldn't appear on camera
totally disheveled and sort ofgo, oh, it's fine, it doesn't
matter, i'm just myself.
Because then you become adistraction for the people
watching.
If people are watchingcommenting on kind of you could
(22:20):
have brushed your hair thismorning, or kind of you know,
why didn't you show that half ofyour face or whatever it was,
then they're not looking at thecar and it's become.
You've defeated the point ofmaking the video and you've gone
through all that effort and allpeople are doing is, yeah,
looking at, not the car, whichis not right.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, yeah, misses the point, doesn't it?
So you've had, i think, james.
How many videos of the week hasHenry had at least two, right.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, definitely, and if it was up to you we wouldn't
have anyone else with video ofthe week This week from my Henry
collection.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Look, that may or may not be true, absolutely true.
Well, thank you, it's mostlytrue.
But so that level of productionthat goes into what you do, the
cinematography and the likeit's epic.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
It really is next level.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know the drone work.
In fact, james sent me amessage the other day about one
of your videos and he used arather unkind word because he's
just like, yeah, this is so good.
And so my question is whenyou're doing that and you're you
know you're shooting drive-bys.
(23:40):
We get to see this video whereit looks like you're
effortlessly driving through theblack forest or somewhere, but
clearly you're having to drivepast the camera.
Stop, turn around, come backthe other way.
Do you get that opportunity tojust enjoy the car, or is it you
know so much start, stop, getthe shot and all that sort of
(24:00):
stuff.
How do you balance those things?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, it's, you have to make sure that you get the
chance to enjoy the car, atleast test the car and find out
what it's about, which obviouslyyou're doing sort of all the
time when you're doing shots.
But equally, as you say, is youknow, there's an awful lot to
think about to get the shots andpick the right piece of road in
(24:24):
the first place.
That helps enormously.
But yeah, you're looking foryour turn around spots.
What sort of shotters thecameraman about to do?
you're doing the right speed?
are you doing?
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, itmeans the car doing the right
thing in the corner, etc.
Etc.
So, yes, you're thinking aboutan awful lot of other things
other than just what is this carlike.
For a lot of the time and a lotof it, it was always the same
(24:48):
with photography, though youknow you, the best drive on even
something like Ivo car of theyear was often turned from the
hotel at the beginning and theend of the day, and that was the
really, really fun bit, whereyou're not thinking about
anything else other than justdriving the car.
But yeah, i mean you do stillget fantastic kind of moments
(25:11):
just to just to enjoy the car.
And I've always said to peopleI think it's kind of it's, it's
nothing like as glamorous as itlooks, and that's that's part of
my.
My job is obviously to makeeverything look as lovely as
possible, because it's it's notnot what people want to see
really otherwise.
But, um, so it's not asglamorous as it looks, but
(25:32):
equally, the highs are evenhigher than them.
I can probably convey on film,because you get those moments
that are just just absolutely,absolutely fantastic.
So, yeah, it's, you definitelystill get the chance to try the
cars and enjoy them that'sactually so good to hear,
because I I wondered about that.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
So you've got, you know, you think about some of
the cars you've driven 9-11, gt1, shingo, guntherworks,
speedster, gt4, rs, workshop,5000 and one, all of them, right
, the whole gamut.
And then you've got access tothese sort of luminary figures,
like Andy Proeninger,jean-pierre Nicholas, like all
these these moments where youknow the average Joe, like, like
(26:13):
, like me and James here we'renot going to get to be able to
do that, and Do you?
do you still have those pinchyourself moments?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely because Yeah,
I think the moment you don't,you probably stop stop doing the
job Because, yeah, yeah, youknow this is absolutely, and I
love finding new roads and And,yeah, it's just, i still I love
cars.
(26:43):
You know, i love driving.
That's, that's what you know,gives me the biggest kick.
It's, it's the, it's, it's notthe particularly some of the
Value of the car or anythinglike this.
It is how it makes me feel whenI'm driving and driving, yeah,
quickly, slowly, whatever, justthat, that's what gets me out of
(27:06):
bed in the morning.
So I still Look forward to that.
And it's a meeting the people.
That's always, alwaysfascinating and I can't, can't
quite believe some of the peopleI have been able to meet
through the through the job.
I wouldn't sense Wrong sets thebest, because I still love the
cars, but it's just it'ssomething I probably didn't even
(27:26):
really think about When Istarted doing the job that I get
to meet, meet these people.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
So, yeah, have you met Joey from friends.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
No, no, I haven't actually no.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's kind of never been in the same room together.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Oh, conspiracy theory .
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I Sure Henry was probably pretty nervous about
meeting us today of courseabsolutely.
Joey, from friends.
So, henry, obviously you driveeverything right, and so James
(28:05):
and I.
Obviously our podcast is very,let's say, porsche centric.
So you know, obviously, thecars you drive.
You drive all the big hittersfrom all the big brands as well
as you know Some of the, the hothatches, all these things, and
so every, every brand has itsplace in this, in this Sort of
universe, automotive universe,let's say, and all of them have
(28:29):
their brilliant things andthey're not so brilliant things.
Can you talk about What youthink makes Porsche so special
in that, in the pantheon ofaspirational automakers, what
perhaps separates it?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Ah, i think it is.
Is it's down to?
it's probably down to theengineering, isn't it really
that?
and there's a, there's the theracing element, which is
undoubtedly important becausethat inspires people.
(29:06):
I think sort of you knowthere's a, you can't help it,
sort of.
You see the growling I love andall you get Sort of wrapped up
in the, the history much at 917or all these stories behind it,
and then For me it's just itcomes back to the driving.
Really, at the end of the day,if it is all that stuff, but at
(29:30):
the heart of it, what makes melove Porsches is the way they
drive.
And Yeah, it's something that Ididn't really get me growing up
.
You know, all things I've justmentioned apply to Ferrari, to
those.
Face it.
And growing up I love Ferrari.
Yeah, they were red.
My favorite color was red.
That was.
That was my favorite.
(29:50):
I have.
I had an entire, you know One tosort of massive great storage
tubs full of all my Ferrarimodels that I collected.
When I got that was the brand,it was more glorious.
They kind of looked not withthis slightly funky shape of a
9-11 that you can us.
It's Mm-hmm, it's they lookmore that.
But you drive a Porsche and youdrive one for the first time And
(30:12):
I did it well, everybody elsedoes as well with you know, even
a car of year and Porschewinning all those times, you
know, before I was joining themagazine, he's really.
It's a Porsche again.
Why kind of you know, surely?
there's a lot of me over therekind of like why, why did that
not not win?
and You kind of.
And then you drive it and Youfeel that gear shift and you
(30:35):
feel that steering, you feel theway that you know in case of a
9-11, that weight distribution.
And Then you drive it a bitmore and then you start sliding
around and Sort of I'm sayingthere are other cars that do it,
but the way that a Porsche,over the limit, seems to keep
(30:56):
gripping and just feels socontrollable when you slide one,
and that feeling is justAddictive and I think that's you
know the way they drive is, youknow fast or slow, but it's
only the best ones where theysound.
That feeling when you're behindthe wheel, that is what makes
(31:18):
people, i think, so enthusiasticand loyal to them.
And Yeah, there's nothing elsequite like it.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Do you think as well that the the sort of culture
around them and There's a,there's a level of exclusivity
that perhaps is not at the levelof something like Ferrari or
Lamborghini, where they reallyare reserved for the very lucky
few, whereas you can get into aGen 1 Boxster or you can get
(31:48):
into a 944 or one of these oldercars, have a ripping good time
in them And you're in, you'repart of the gang, you're part of
the community?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, i think that's definitely okay.
So it's slightly depressingwatching the prices of all sorts
of good particular 9-elevensgoing north.
But, as you say, there arestill ones out there that you
can get into for, thankfully,not too much money.
And, yeah, it is different toother things out there.
(32:19):
And while never, you look at,yeah, you look at something like
a Bugani and it's just, it'snot, it's not going to happen.
You know, unless my numberscome up, no, but I'm not going
to have the, even the chance toto everyone.
But you say, it's that thing ofthese, they feel within reach
somehow, and then that sort of,as you go through life, they're
(32:44):
always sort of cars thatremember, like the, when the
latest Elise came out, andloving it Because it was at a
price point where, even at theage I was, i could say, oh, yeah
, one day that might beattainable.
And, like you said, yeah.
So it's the same with thisPorsche.
Oh, hang on Right, here we go.
Coffee, live coffee delivery.
This is great, god, coffee.
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(33:04):
Yes, there we go, get it Downwith it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
There we go To the audience.
I want to say this is reallyexciting that we're seeing,
We're seeing Henry take deliveryof this coffee, but actually
what I'm looking at is a blankgray wall and Henry's vanished.
There's movement, though, onthe wall shadows.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Perhaps Here we go Coffee.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Should we do live?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
unboxing.
Let's do live unboxing.
Let's do it.
So this is this is so.
I had some Kalana this morningfrom my local office And this is
from Cast Iron, which isactually down by Goodwood.
So anyone that goes to and giveus festival speed or revival or
something, they're just aroundthe corner.
So yeah, it's from Honduras.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
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This episode of Curb and Canyonis brought to you by Cast Iron
Coffee, which is which isslightly different from James's
normal.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
What do you use in the in the Mr Fusion coffee
maker?
James, It's just an.
Skafe international roast.
What are we talking?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
We call it Minnesota Brown.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Do you know what?
Talking about those cheapercars, Henry, do you think are we
too obsessed with the GT stuffYou know, for the average get?
should we all just be aspiringto drive, you know, base
Carreras or Carrera T's?
are they on the road?
actually a better propositionin some ways.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, put it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Sorry, base Carrera owners.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I would love to be able to sit here and say that
you know it's, it's not the case, but GT stuff is irritatingly
very, very, very good.
That is not to say that youknow and it's, but again, it's
that kind of.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
So can?
can our clickbait headline beyeah, henry Katchapol says base
Carrera rubbish.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
No, it can't be.
No because so it's and like.
So here's the.
Here's the part is a very goodstory about.
We at Evo had sort of the sortof the dying days of the 997.
There was a white cabriolet,manual on little wheels, with a
(35:40):
red interior.
It was about the most unevensort of spec of 911 that you
could possibly get and it stayedwith us for quite some time, i
think, because the press officeactually forgot about it and we
loved it.
We absolutely.
It was just one of those thingsyou know little wheels, manual
(36:01):
gearbox.
It was fantastic.
So would we have given thechoice of the two of you sitting
next to a GT3 in the car park?
Can I hand on heart say Iwouldn't have gone and driven
the G3?
No, but did we all absolutelylove that white cab?
(36:21):
Yes, we did.
It was great.
So it's it's.
Yeah, i'd love to be honest hereand say that No, you don't
really need a GT3, but it's.
You know 997, you know Gen 2,3.8.
No, it's not really all thatkind of you know, you just just
as well off with the bait.
No, it's not true, but butthere is something to be enjoyed
(36:42):
.
But I think that's kind of thelovely thing is.
Like you say you get these carsand everybody starts sort of
tweaking their cars with the airof making perhaps a little bit
more like a G3.
Or you get a bit here, do this,do that, and yeah it's, you
don't.
You don't have to have a GT3.
I suppose that's the other wayof looking at it, isn't it Sort
(37:04):
of to make it a more positivespin on it.
So yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Just ask, James.
All you need is stripes, right,James?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I was going to say stripes and a spoiler on the
back.
I don't know what you guystalking about.
I have.
I have never tried to make anyof my cars look like the GT3.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
The king of the mods.
the king of the mods, henry, doyou think you perhaps maybe
have a little bit more inside ofan inside line than than the
rest of us do?
Is?
is Porsche heading in the rightdirection?
Are they keeping on doing theright sort of stuff that, as
enthusiasts, we want to see fromthem?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I think they generally are.
I think it's a very difficultworld generally that we're
living in in terms of theautomotive sense.
I mean, yeah, okay, the factthat they still produce manual
GT3s with naturally aspiratedengines, you know they haven't
gone chasing the big horsepowerwith GT3.
(38:10):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know.
You look at the new naturallyaspirated 4-litre engine in GT4,
or even the GTS 4-litre.
They're doing this right.
Yeah, they're absolutely doingthis right to that extent.
And you drive stuff like the,even the Taycan.
(38:33):
I did a film with Taycan GTS notlong ago and it there's an
awful lot of sort of.
It seems to be so polarizingthe whole EV thing, and I get it
.
You know I'm not about sittinghere and saying that I suddenly
love EVs because it's going tokeep me in a job or something
like that.
You know I'm terrified of thefact when they all become EVs.
(38:53):
But but having said that,driving Taycan GTS, it gives me
some sort of hope because and itdidn't initially I drove Taycan
Terras on the launch did notlike it at all.
It just seemed to be doing thatstandard EV thing.
All the things I'd hoped wewould get from Porsche didn't
(39:14):
seem to be there.
It just seemed to be a rocketship and a straight line, a bit
kind of funky in the corners andyou know it could accelerate
faster than it stopped, which isnot really a nice thing.
And then eventually I drove thereal drive version under a GTS
and all those sort of Porschethings came, came back in again
And the lovely steering feel andthe balance and it just all the
(39:39):
tactility and the car made upfor another fact And they backed
off the things like having areally nicely progressive
throttle, so you didn't get allthat from the EV drivetrain
straight away.
You could.
You could meter it out on adecent road.
So yeah, they put all thatPorsche back into, which gives
(40:01):
me hope for when they sort of gofull EV for a sports car.
But yeah, I think by and large,it's a tricky market.
I think, porsche, they're notgoing to get it right all the
time, but they haven't in thepast either.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So by and large, yeah , you know that gives me a lot
of hope, because I drove theTaycan Turbo and you know, was
blown away by the power, but atthe same time I felt like the
car you know sort of beendelivered to me without a soul
And I kind of feel that Tesla isvery, very much that way as
(40:37):
well.
I guess you know you think aboutdigital technology and you
think about, you know, thatwhole sort of realm you start
thinking about.
you know, black and white, onor off, binary, one and zero.
But to hear that they can takean electric drivetrain like that
and start to put the Porscheaspects of it back into the car,
which they may have missed,intentionally or not, the first
(41:01):
time around, that's fantastic,because that's one of the things
that I really love about thepetrol powered cars is just that
sort of feeling that you needto work with the machine to get
the best out of it.
You're there as part of theexperience.
you're not just along for theride, you're not just a
passenger, you're really part ofthat particular drive in that
(41:25):
particular moment and makingevery single part of the
experience happen.
You are a central part of that.
the driver is a part of that.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, and I think the thing that is important to
remember in all of that is thatyou need driver 911, yes, having
the flat seat is a huge part ofit, but so much of what we love
about a 911 is not to do withthe flat six, or at least not to
do with necessarily the soundit makes or the way it pulls us
(41:55):
up the road, it's position inthe car, it's the steering feel
that we'll talk about, it's thebraking or the chassis moves,
all those other things whichhave to be amplified even more
in an electric car, for sure,but a big part of what makes us
love a driver's car is stillthere in an EV.
(42:17):
Yeah, we don't get the soundI'm not about to say that and,
like I said, it sounds like I'mbeing a huge EV fanboy or
something like that which Irecognise the problems, but
there has to be some sort ofhope for these things and I
think the GTA shows that it canbe done.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, there's got to be a pathway forward, doesn't
there?
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, porsche.
Obviously they listen to ourpart every week.
If you could take theopportunity to maybe give them
some constructive feedback, whatcould they be doing differently
?
Speaker 3 (42:57):
So something I thought about for a while is I
haven't driven the latest T yet.
I have to build it at somepoint.
But I think with the whole Tthing I certainly thought with
the previous ones it would begreat if the T could be that
proper but, yes, cheaper andmake it absolutely sort of.
(43:21):
You can only get it with amanual box actually.
No, you could have PDK with it.
Fair enough, you have thatoption in there, because I know
not everybody can have a manual.
So that seems wrong, to kind of.
But fun to get your choice ofgearbox, but it's on small
wheels.
You don't get sort of.
They say this is the absolutedriver's spec.
(43:41):
If you want a Porsche 911because you'd want to drive it,
that's just what you want it for.
You give it the manual airconor whatever or sort of take a
screen away, just strip it rightback, and you cannot spec it up
because obviously at the momentwith a T you can spec it up to
be something big or anything.
You can't get cons aroundbrakes on it.
(44:03):
You can't do any of this stuff.
It's the base model, so it'snot a cheaper way into.
You can almost make it sort ofcomfortable enough.
But you know what I mean sortof unattractive enough to the
casual Porsche that's going towalk in.
That's not going to go for thestart, so it just appeals to
that.
Make it the absolute grassroots911 of the people that want one
(44:29):
for driving.
That would be my plea to them,i think.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Well, you heard it here first Porsche, but you know
it's funny because I have thatconversation with friends all
the time and I reckon 60 to 70%of the T's that come up for sale
in the Australian market atleast on the second hand market
I'm talking most of them arespecced up PDK, sunroof, rear
(44:58):
seats, like everything you knowit's basically it goes back to
being a Carrera S, but it's gota quasi special badge on it and
that's fine.
I mean, i don't begrudgeanybody their spec choices on
any car that they order and I'vegot You have, though you have
really Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You can jump in the seat, don't you?
you kind of you see it.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
You see it, but I would never say it.
It's public.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
You mutter it quietly , vaguely, within hearing
distance.
What was that?
did you say something?
did you say something again?
no, no, no, no, no.
Just cough something in thethroat, back of the throat,
nightmare.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yes but look, we all do it right, but at the end of
the day, like I say, everyone'sentitled to their spec choices.
but when the occasional onecomes up where it's specced with
no rear seats and no sunroofand it's manual, i think, yeah,
that person got it right.
Henry, tell me you've drivensome of these amazing air cooled
(45:58):
cars as well as the modernstuff, and how does it?
how do those two experiencesdiffer?
and perhaps not just in purelysubjective terms, but even just
the feel you get from, say, anair cooled 911 versus, you know,
some of the more modern stuff?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Oh, blimey, i suppose it's inevitably roura with the
air cooled stuff.
It's yeah, i suppose it's justthat bit.
A bit.
Roura is the kind of you'regoing to sum it up into
(46:36):
something that's your real sortof takeaway.
But there is because there areso many other things going on as
well that it's sometimes hardto take the two things that are
apart, because there's thatclear delineation from sort of
there was such a step changewith 996 onwards that to just
(47:01):
sort of split into air cooledand kettles is kind of tricky in
a way.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Do you think you you look for?
because I've sort of drivenboth, obviously my cars a 964, i
owned a GT4 for a little whileand I always found that there
were things to love in eachexperience that were sometimes
similar but sometimes different.
Right and in the 964, forexample, when you're on it in
(47:34):
the twisties you're moving everypart of your body, both arms
are involved, both feet aredancing.
You know my friend Gerard talksabout it's like playing the
you're doing the bongo dance,versus in the GT4 where you've
got rev matching, and It's not abetter or worse experience,
because then you're excitedabout the way it sounds, the
(47:55):
tune in all those differentthings and it's just a.
It's just a differentexperience that's equally as
captivating in its own way.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, i think that's absolutely right, isn't it?
It's a, as I say, it's that,and it's funny how perceptions
change over time as well,obviously because the further we
get away from those earlywatercool cars you know the nine
or six is, the more we jumpback into one of those now and
kind of a lot of what you'resaying about the, the air-cooled
(48:23):
experience, actually now wefind in that and you think, oh,
this car's moving around a lotmore and it's kind of, you know,
it's as small as it is and kindof, so all that stuff is
actually just migrating furtherup the food chain in terms of
just pure and an age factor andthe fact that cars got sort of
bigger over over age.
So, yeah, i think there's allsorts of that great, you know,
(48:46):
shot is that of all thedifferent 9-elevens over the
years, with the sort of the, therears of them or whatever that
they produce, and it's just thatyou can see it right there, and
the further ones go back downthe line yeah it inevitably
changes over time.
Right.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
It's interesting, isn't it?
Because it's less.
It's probably less aboutair-cooled, v-water-cooled, and
not that I'm trying toperpetuate those sort of
delineations and lines that wesometimes draw in the sand.
But, as you say, i rememberdriving at a 991 for a period
and getting out of that car anddriving my friends 996 and
(49:26):
thinking this car feelsperfection, it's the perfect
size, it's so nimble, so agilebut has just that enough level
of modernity in the drive.
And, james, you've gone from991 to 996.
Yeah, and that car was supposedto be a project car.
And look at you, you can't getrid of it.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
I know just that's right.
Every time I get into it I'mlike, yeah, this is my car, i
love it.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, henry, the drives you've had, if we said
Porsches that we've seen in yourfilms, is there one that stands
out?
Is the one where you think?
Speaker 3 (50:04):
that was epic.
I mean I'm so lucky becausethere have been so many and so
many different experiences.
Like, say, i go back to theBoxster GTS on the Yorker, which
just was something very specialabout that car, which again I
think came back to some of theattainable nature of that.
(50:26):
You're driving around thinking,yeah, one day maybe this could
be, but it was such spectacularroads and we were up from World
War II to long after sunset andit was with doing that job, with
good friends as well Sam Rileyand Dean Smith and you're there
enjoying just the wholeexperience of that.
(50:50):
You just drive obviously neveron camera workshop 5001, that
car.
There was something about thatthat I absolutely loved, i hope
you'd say that It's just such acool car and so many people
don't really know about workshop5001, but it's, yeah, i don't
(51:15):
know.
Just I know it was veryexpensive and I think it got a
lot of sort of flack in thecomments about that.
Because it was such anexpensive car We went with a
headline which is probably a bitsort of wrong in a way, but
they're all all those things areparticularly expensive and it
was.
I remember seeing it it was atthe Quail week before and all
(51:37):
the amazing stuff that's thereand the Titan Safari kind of
stuff.
But it's just this little kindof unobtrusive, almost car with
no great big wings, in quite anunassuming color and stuff like
that.
It was a bit of a sound of it,unbelievable.
So yeah, i have very fondmemories of that car, driving,
(52:00):
say, some of the Tuthill rallycars, because I'm a rally boy, a
heart, and I love, love rallycars, so that kind of always
driving the RGT.
And nothing makes me happy thanfinding another 906 or 997
rally car on YouTube and someonboard footage, so the chance
(52:20):
to play it play it a bit.
Doing that for a bit was, yeah,a lot of fun In terms of films.
Weirdly, i think it's probablythe one that makes that I'm
probably proudest of is the iswas not such a specifically
Porsche, but also was.
Was the manuals matter filmthat I did Classic And I keep
(52:45):
thinking if I can try and dosomething like that again for
Hagerty.
So I might have to try and doit.
But then recently on Hagerty wedid the GT4 RS again out in the
States, which was so much funto see, meeting Lee Keane for
(53:06):
the first time never met himbefore and a great bunch of guys
and all the other cars thatwere there on the Smokies GT was
.
That was great.
What a car park that was.
So, yeah, i think manualsmatter is special just because
it felt like a different thingand a bit of a lioness and no,
the awesome sort of made a filmlike that.
(53:27):
So, yeah, that was, that wasgood.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
I love that.
I actually just watched itearlier and you know the little
sequence with the coffee and theeyeball and all that stuff.
It's actually, it's so welldone And the way you explain it
is it's just terrific, it's it'sit's because it's hard to
articulate why, what, what amanual gearbox brings to the
(53:53):
experience, and not just becauseit's obviously not as quick as
a PDK or something similar, butto explain what it actually adds
to it.
I think you did.
You did such a great job.
So, yeah, i'm glad that some ofthe films you mentioned are
certainly some of my favorites.
Henry, if we said we'll finishthis up in a sec, if we said,
(54:14):
day after tomorrow you can neverdrive another great road and
never drive another Porsche, buttomorrow you can drive any
Porsche on any road, anywhere,no cameras, just you and the car
, where, what are you drivingand where are you going?
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Ah, i am going to drive, oh, i'm going to drive a
2.7 RS, because I've neverdriven one But I have been in
one, i've been in the passengerseat and everything I know.
So the people I trust I thinkit would be.
I love the idea of a 2.7 RSdaily beta.
(54:54):
I think that's kind of thatwould be good.
So maybe a little bit of lightrally sort of prep in there as
well, just to kind of sparse itup a bit, oh yeah.
And then where am I driving?
Oh, it's going to be Scotland,because I love Scotland.
Oh nice, and, as I said, i wentto university there and I always
(55:17):
just feel I love the very thatthe rough and tumble nature of
UK roads is, you know, i'm sure,the bane of many of the chassis
engineers life, but when theymake it work and Porsche by a
large does seem to make it workit makes the roads so
(55:39):
interesting and and gives yousomething to do.
There's that little bit of arally stage in there.
So maybe, maybe it would be theroad up through the cangons,
the sort of the old militaryroad which I still love And it's
so yeah, yeah, 2.7 RS up in, upin Scotland.
That'll be.
(55:59):
That's my choice.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Nice, that's, that's, that's pretty good.
Hey James, what about you?
Turbo S straight to Chipotle.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
Ah, chipotle, pretty much Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
Give me, give me one of my straight roads in
Minnesota and, you know, get meto McDonald's as quickly as
possible.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
The whole question was just that.
It was literally.
You don't care about my answerat all.
It's just a set up Absolutelyteed it up just to be able to
deliver that line to James.
That was a fair play, nicelydone.
Here's me.
Instead of thinking, yeah, iput a load of reference, wow,
i've picked well with a car, ohyeah.
I wrote Oh, you're sitting inthe seat.
He's going to stop in a minuteand then I'm just going to be
able to deliver the line Here weare, you are.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Fair play, i'm not, i'm not going to sit here and
take that.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
I'm not actually the lines question.
I'm going to have to stop this.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
That that that question actually came.
He's going to hate me for doingthis, but it came from my
friend, anthony.
He said I said you got anythingyou want me to ask?
And he couldn't think ofanything.
And I said oh, what about ifyou just say Anthony?
Speaker 2 (57:10):
says hi and.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Henry, give him a shout out.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
But then he said ask him favorite road, favorite car.
So there you go.
Fantastic.
Well, henry, what an honorhaving you on the pod.
Thank you for bringing a littlebit of sophistication to an
otherwise knuckleheaded pod.
We run here at Kerber Canyon.
(57:37):
It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
There we go.
Can I recommend a film of theweek?
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, Oh yeah, please .
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Or film of the pod on one of it, And so it's actually
one.
It's slightly easier, I feel,but it's not one of mine, So I
feel like I can say it.
But it's on the HaggertyYouTube channel that they did
the Porsche Le Mans film.
It's about 45 minutes long andmy friend over in the US, Matt,
to chill out, I did it And ifyou haven't seen it, kind of you
might have mentioned before.
If you have, I'm sorry, I kindof know we haven't, But yeah
(58:08):
it's.
it's really really good.
I sat there and thoroughlyenjoyed that.
So, yeah, I'd hardly recommendit.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Right, give it a go.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, great It's, it's beautifully done.
You you heard it here FirstPeople the Le Mans film that
Haggerty did.
Yeah it is, It's brilliant,That's great.
Speaker 3 (58:28):
Just lots of nice interviews aren't there?
I think so.
Lots of nice people.
Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, it'sgood, ok, yeah it is brilliant.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
It is brilliant.
Well, henry, we'll let you goand get on with your day again.
Thank you so much for joiningus here on Curb and Canyon.
It's been an absolute pleasure,and if you're ever down in
Australia, look us up, comedriving with us, we'll do.
Or if you're in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah absolutely Cheers, henry, thank you.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
It's been great Thanks.
Thank you very much, guys.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
How good was that?
I'm you know that, that thingabout meeting your heroes and
that whole thing.
He was exactly as I thought hewould be.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, yeah, very genuine.
I just what a career you know I20 years, the story you know,
going back to university yearsand interning, and you know,
trying to really make it happenfor himself and the magazines,
the cars, the people, theeverything that he's done.
(59:34):
Well, what a fantastic careerand just what a what a really
nice, genuine, genuine fella.
Yeah, i really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, same, same.
And it's funny, isn't it?
You think about all the workhe's put into making that happen
And you know.
Then you got people like us whojust put a camera in front of
ourselves and say, hey, welcometo.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Hey, speak for yourself, son.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Well, anyway, that was, that was a massive treat.
I hope you guys enjoyedlistening to Henry as much as we
enjoyed chatting with him.
That was, yeah, that was thatwas a great experience.
You know, James, that's one ofthe great things about this pod.
You know, like I was thinkingabout this the other day It was.
You know, you and me have nevermet yet.
You're a really great mate.
You know, it's just beensomething that's yeah, it's
(01:00:22):
brilliant.
I love it And through it, youknow, you meet these people that
you that you wouldn't otherwisehave the opportunity to connect
with Just awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Awesome, totally, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Well, thank you guys all for listening, as always.
We genuinely appreciate it.
Thanks for all the comments onInsta and the DMs and the like.
It's unreal.
Please, if you're not already,follow us Kerbin Canyon on
Instagram, james Auto amateur onInstagram and YouTube, and me,
andy last rasp, on Instagram andYouTube.
(01:00:53):
I think that's all the handleswe need to mention, no.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, maybe Joey Trippiani at TotalLone11.com, i
don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Well, actually, and check, well obviously, follow
Henry Catchpal on on Instagramand then Haggerty on YouTube.
He's not doing the car sectionstuff anymore, but if you
haven't checked out his films,obviously, please do that.
And we will also link toHenry's suggested video of the
week.
(01:01:21):
How's that?
He did a video of the week.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I love it.
Yeah, just totally jumping inwith both feet.
That's awesome.
All right, guys, we'll see youin another pod soon.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
See you again.
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