May 20, 2024 • 29 mins
Have you ever wondered how a book's ending can color your entire memory of the story? Our latest episode embraces that question as we cozy up with our favorite mysteries, discussing the sometimes-surprising ways we come to rate them. From the glitzy intrigue of "A Killing in Costumes" to the youthful thrills of "The Naturals" series, join us for a heart-to-heart on the characters and settings that nestle into our hearts and the community that blooms within the pages of a good cozy mystery.
Concluding with a reflection on the exceptional stories that have left their mark on us, we share those five-star favorites that resonate with a sense of belonging and the longing for the next installment. Our chat may inspire you to reconsider your rating system or curl up with a tale of mystery and community. So, get your favorite blanket ready, and join us in the cozy corner of the literary world, where every book promises a new adventure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Curl Up and Clue In a Cozy, Mystery
podcast hosted by two BookTubersturned best friends.
I'm Courtney.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I'm Spencer.
Join us every episode as wedive into the enchanting world
of cozy mysteries and find thecozy in everyday life.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello again, Hello hello.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So let's address the elephant in the room.
It's been a little bit of awhile.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It has, it has, it has Yep.
But that's okay, because thatis crazy hectic motherhood life
right, it is yes, yes, there'sjust, you know, when you're two
hours behind me.
And then, with all of theextracurricular activities and
all of those things, we had alittle blip in not being able to
(00:44):
record.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, but that's okay Because we are back.
We are at it, I'm very excited.
Yes, For the record, we'veknown what we've wanted to talk
about for a while.
Yes, Finding the time.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Whether it was I had to cancel because kids were not
feeling well, or I was, I fellasleep.
You know the the, you know lifeexactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay.
Well then, catch me up then.
What are you currently reading?
What have you been up to?
Give me the deets okay.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So since we uh, originally talked about this, I
have already finished the bookthat I was going to be talking
about, but I still think thatpeople should read it.
It's called A Killing inCostumes by Zach Bissonnette.
I'm not going to say thatcorrectly, it was
fan-freaking-tastic.
(01:36):
I love the idea of sort of likeHollywood vibes in a cozy
mystery.
I feel like it's just.
It's something that I didn'tknow, that I was missing.
Jay Allen and Cindy Cooper weresoap opera stars in the late 90s
(01:58):
.
They were the young, wholesomewife and husband duo until they
both came out and divorcedamicably.
But then their show was sort ofcanceled and it was, you know,
put to the back burner.
And then we're fast forward 20years and Cindy's wife has
(02:20):
passed away from cancer.
His wife has passed away fromcancer and she is opening up a
costume shop to sort of bow tothe stars and starlets of old
Hollywood and sell thosememorabilia.
And Jay Allen and his fancyself is coming down to help her
(02:40):
run her shop.
And it's just.
It's so freaking good it was.
It was so fun.
I.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I had a blast reading it.
That sounds so awesome, likeanytime you think of that golden
Hollywood era.
I mean so many vivid imagescome to mind, so I could only
imagine the plethora ofdescriptions.
So tell me then is it part of aseries?
What book number if?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
it is.
This is book one.
From what I have gathered, it'spublished by Penguin Random
House and it's yeah, it's thefirst in the Hollywood Treasures
Mystery Series.
I got it when it was like twoor three bucks on Libro FM
because they do amazing cozymystery sales, and it grabbed me
(03:30):
when it says stardom fades fastwhen you're on the line for
murder.
In this debut cozy mystery,perfect for fans of Richard
Osman and Jen McKinley.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh well, you love the Thursday murder club.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I do, so I was like I mean, take my money, so I can't
.
I can't wait until the nextbook in the series.
I don't know when it's going tobe, because this one came out
in 2022.
What about you?
What are you reading?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
name sounds familiar.
It's because she is the authorof the inheritance games series.
Um she I don't want to say shedefinitively writes ya, but both
of those series are ya and thenatural series that I've been
binging.
I'm currently on.
I think I just finished bookthree.
All in it is like criminalminds with a ya cast.
Oh I love criminal minds.
Yeah, I do too kind of y8 ish.
So I a little bit of backstory.
(04:28):
I picked up the inheritancegames a couple years ago when I
was kind of in a reading slumpand wanted to do something
different and I loved it andbinged that series until I kind
of caught up with waiting on thelatest book and, um, this time
around, just coinc,coincidentally I did the same
thing.
Like the natural series has beenon my TBR for a while and I was
(04:49):
in kind of a I don't want tosay a slump, but I couldn't
decide what direction I wantedto read and I'm like you know
what, let me, let me shop myshelf, and I picked up the first
one and, of course, inhaled it,and so I also love Criminal
Minds and such a good show isthat, I know, but like, weirdly
(05:09):
enough, my barometer forgruesome dark crime has kind of.
It's a little harder for me todigest these days, which is odd
because I love dark stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But no, I get that, I get that, I get that, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't know if it's motherhood or like my current
state of mind, where I need thatsoft life, but regardless, this
is perfect because, since it'sthrough a young adult lens, I
don't want to say that it'scompletely devoid of any kind of
darkness, obviously, becauseyou've got that criminal, mind
killing, hunting aspect, butit's way less gruesome than, say
(05:49):
, like a nordic noir, and soanyway so it's like, it's like
bloody light yes, exactly,exactly.
So.
Um, you follow the storythrough the main character who's
one of the?
Um.
I guess you can call them likestudents or participants in this
program.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's called the.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Naturals Program and it's basically a group of young
adults like 17, 18, who haveextraordinary gifts that make
them naturally or I guess inthis case, unnaturally good and
excel at um criminology typebehaviors.
So like reading people, umbeing able to detect lies,
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someone is really good with likeany kind of numbers, whether
it's patterns or like figuringthings out on a map, anything
like that.
So the fbi basically like letsthem solve cold cases, but of
course our main character hasher own baggage and backstory.
That interweaves itself intothe fourth book and it's really
(07:03):
been hitting the spot.
So I can definitely recommendit, especially for people.
If you like cozies but you alsolike darker themed mysteries or
thrillers, definitely checkthis one out.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So yeah, no, that.
I mean you sold me literallylike I just I'm I'm about to
finish a cozy mystery that I'mpushing myself through finishing
it, but I really didn't want tofinish it, and so I'm going to
need like a palate cleanser ofsorts, because this one just was
(07:36):
not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I know, we were talking about that earlier in a
text message.
Oh man, that's the worst,especially if you've gotten to a
point to where you're almosttoo far to turn back.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
For me it's never too far, but I get it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Like I said earlier, I really wish I could just mute
the main characters and thenjust have like the surrounding
characters, kind of like fill inwhat the mystery is and the
whodunit, mm-hmm in what themystery is and the whodunit,
yeah yeah.
So, speaking of that today'sepisode, we wanted to sort of
(08:17):
have more of a unfiltered,unscripted kind of chat about
ratings but more specificallyhow we rate cozy mysteries.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Okay, yes, so when it comes to ratings, I think we
can all agree that they areextremely subjective and we
thought we would chat about ourown personal rating system for
cozies in particular, sinceobviously we like to talk about
cozies on this podcast and wecan compare notes and see how
they stack up against each other.
We have not, guys.
(08:42):
We've not done any planning, socourt's answers are going to be
a total surprise for me andvice versa.
I feel like that would be fun.
But yeah, let's just kind ofdive right into it.
Starting off, I guess, just ablanket statement how do you
rate your cozies?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So I go by feeling on how I feel at the end of the
book.
If I am in love with thecharacters and the cozy setting,
I am way more likely to rate ithigh, even if the writing isn't
as beautifully done.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No, that totally makes sense.
I also rate off of vibes andit's so funny I think you
started the gate with hittingthe nail on the head, which is
how you feel at the end kind ofsummarizes or trumps the like
that dictates everything, whichsometimes that's a good thing,
sometimes that's a bad thing.
But yeah, like if there arebumps along the road, even in
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the beat, especially in thebeginning, if it ends where I'm
like oh, I feel so warm and cozyor I loved xyz character, then
I'm like I will totally almostput blinders on with any fumbles
that happen in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's almost like it's my favorite child now.
And then if anybody saysanything bad about it, I'm just
like you have no taste Like,even if, even if what they're
saying is like at the verybeginning it was sluggish and
yada, yada, yada, and I'm like,yeah, I agree with that.
But then they're like and so Ithought it was horrible.
(10:18):
I'm like pause there, I jumpedoff your little truck of
chugging because that is not no,no, this is bae and you are
wrong so funny.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean you and I both have individual cozy mystery
book club and it's reallyinteresting because I will.
So in the past I've nitpicked abook.
Obviously when you are at bookclub you are supposed to really
dig deep.
But I will nitpick a book andlike really go in about, like
why did they do this?
And like, oh my God, wasn't itsilly when this happened.
But what's really funny is likeafter that I will still
(11:01):
recommend the book and it'salmost as if like digging in and
talking about it has made megrow closer to the book yes, To
where, even though I just notbashed it, but like put it under
the microscope, I will stilllike.
I will remember it fondly.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, get out of my head.
So, like with having the cozyescape book club, I have found
myself like if I had rated abook like a solid three, which
three isn't horrible, but likeyeah, yeah, solid, uh.
After book club, I find myselflike so entranced with the
characters because I've justtalked for like an hour with
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people about it that like I comeout in like this euphoric, like
drunken state, oh my god.
And then it's like, oh, Ishould really bump that up to a
four.
I am going to go to Goodreadsand do that right now.
Yes, oh my God.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I did the same thing.
Okay, so either we're bothcrazy or I'm not crazy, and you
proved my point.
But that is so accurate anddon't get me wrong.
Like, obviously there arecozies that I don't love.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I can come out of this even more so like eh, I
this just verified that I didn'tlove it.
But more often than not I thinkit's also because I DNF in a
heartbeat, so if I'm not jibingby a certain point, I won't read
past.
So it's almost like everythingwill automatically get at the
minimum and okay rating justbecause I didn't like it that
much that early on.
(12:33):
I'm never going to finish it.
But oh my gosh, you are so right.
Oftentimes I've gone in andbeen like all right, so this
three is actually a four, oreven more so, and I should have
pulled an example.
Actually, I do know an example.
There was a cozy mystery that Ididn't love.
(12:53):
like I didn't hate it, but itwas like a three and I like, but
like a low three.
But I remembered it so fondlyand I for some reason
recommended it to so many peopleand like the more I talked
about it, I'm like, oh my god,this is amazing.
Coincidentally, I went intogoodreads just to familiarize
myself with like when I read itand I saw my star rating and I
was shocked that I was so low,because in my mind, I had built
(13:17):
it up to be this amazing book.
Yes, and it probably is,clearly because that's how I
remembered it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But, oh my gosh, yeah , yeah, it's, uh, yeah, so it's
crazy, yeah, it's just, and andI need to be better at DNFing
like I'm at I'm at like only 19minutes left on this audiobook
and I'm so mad about it, but,but am I gonna finish it?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
hell yes, I'm gonna finish it because yeah I have to
well, kudos to you, becausesometimes my dnf gets the best
of me and I have dnf stuff whenI'm like I kid you, not like 75
through and I'm like pushthrough it just to be a
completionist.
But my brain is like no, I'mdone with you, you're dead.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
To me it's.
It's actually easier for me todnf physical books than it is
for me to dnf audiobooksinteresting, interesting yeah, I
can, I can DNF a physical bookreal quick.
I can just be like, okay, nope,and I put it down on bun and
bye.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Not the audio book, and I think that has, I mean I
could be wrong, so let me knowif I'm wrong.
But for me, cause I'm the sameway, I think it's because, let's
be honest between our, like,current state in life, mothers
on the go whatever.
I think it's because, in thehierarchy of book types,
physical is the mostinconvenient.
Yes, and so it already has that.
(14:42):
Strike against it because youknow we of course we listen to a
crap ton of audio books becauseit's so much easier to fit it
in our pockets of time, and Ithink next comes e-books,
because you can just fire up aKindle, look on your phone app,
whatever.
And it takes like I have to bein the mood, like to have that
tactile feel and like get intothat whole romanticized state of
(15:04):
picking up a physical book.
But like if the font's too smallor I'm not immediately sucked
in.
I'm like I'm done with you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yep, yep.
Pretty much I have come to therealization that most of the
books on my bookshelves are nowjust book trophies.
They're like, yes, they're,they're the books that I, that I
love, that I want to read andeverything.
And then I'm trying not to buyanything new physically until
(15:31):
I've listened to it or read iton ebook, because, one, I don't
have enough room for that, andthen, two, it's just, it's just
easier that way.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, Uh.
I think I need to come to termswith that, because I will never
realistically finish all of thebooks on my shelf if I'm stuck
reading the physical copy and inmy mind I'm like, well, it's
kind of a waste if I buy aduplicate as an audio or a
physical.
I got to get over that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, no, I, there are a good majority of my books.
I own all three.
I own the physical, ebook andaudio book, and it's just.
I need to be able to consume mybooks in all forms.
I am a book dragon and that isokay with me.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yes, I love it.
I love it.
Okay.
So I think we can agree that werate off of vibes 100%, whether
it's state of mind, whetherit's how the book made us feel
at the end.
If something is so egregious toput me off earlier than that,
then obviously I will dnf.
But okay, so tell me then,because I feel like we've kind
(16:36):
of talked about this just ingeneral in the past but like,
how do you rate or does yourrating stack up when it comes to
like the first book in theseries versus the rest of the
series, because obviously, yeah,they're the same series but
like different in the sense towhere one you're totally getting
introduced, versus revisitingthe characters?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Okay, that's a really good question.
I feel like I'm harsher on thefirst book than I am on the rest
of the series, because thefirst book is what has to hook
you right.
They have to be able to get youinto the cozy town feeling.
They have to be able to get youwith the characters and
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whatever niche it is.
It's a lot of work to write afirst book in the cozy mystery
and then, once you've got them,they'll be catnip for the rest
of your series.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I agree.
It's almost like if you canpique my interest enough to make
me pick up the second book.
I'm way more forgiving and Ithink about it a lot fondly
because, again, it's likebuilding friendships.
You know these people, you knowyour neighbors.
They're not perfect, you know,you may have had a rough
introduction to them, but youpush past that and you like them
(17:56):
enough to want to go back totheir house.
Yes, yes exactly, that's perfect, you're absolutely right,
Because I find myself and I'mpretty sure you asked this too,
but I know when I have book club, one of the questions we ask is
like are you going to finishthe series, Whether it's the
first book or anything else?
Like would you pick up anotherbook in this series?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yes, or would you recommend it?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, exactly, and I think that that's a really good
question because, as we know,one of the main pillars of Cozy
Mysteries is the fact thatthey're a series.
Yes, so yeah, you could be infor a real treat if you say yes
to a series that's 20 books deep, versus.
It didn't capture me enough towhere I want to bother to get
(18:42):
invested.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree.
And this, so this episode thatwe're recording gave me sort of
like a creative vibe and juiceto create a new video.
Ooh, lovely of vibe and juiceto create a new video.
I haven't recorded it yet, butI'm going to tier rank the first
books, so they're the firstbook in the series of.
(19:05):
I'm going to do it for ahundred series that I have read
from.
I went all the way back to 2020to now and I went through every
book that I've read and Ipicked all of the first book in
a series.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You've read a hundred series since 2020?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I've started, started a hundred series since 2020.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Well, still, that's reading at least a hundred books
of cozies, but that's awesome,okay, well, obviously keep a
lookout on our instagram forwhen court comes out with that,
but I would love to see that,because then you're revisiting
all of the books and yourthoughts about them and whether
or not like.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Do I remember reading it enough to like?
Did I pick up the second bookin the series?
Did I not pick up the second?
But but like, like it's gonna.
I mean, 2020 was a long timeago, like, yeah, it was so.
Pandemic years, yeah.
So yeah, this, this inspired meto do that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, that's awesome and it's interesting.
I will be interested to seeyour notes about how much you
remember, because, as we allknow, know, and I'm sure there's
been like various memes andother people have like
articulated in like a veryhumorous way or a relatable way,
the reason we go off of vibesis because, like 90 of the time,
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we can't remember the plot ofthe book, and I feel like that's
especially true for cozies,because and and why it's so
important to have that throughline the plot of like just
knowing the characters.
Yes, because as much as I love,like brie baker seaside series
(20:47):
or um the um bibliophile mysteryseries, you cannot tell me to
recount the plots for everysingle book, but I can certainly
tell you, like our maincharacter, who she ended up
marrying what her family is like, because those are the things
that stick with you yeah, that'swhat matters yeah, exactly
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that's exactly what matters andthat's why we rate it by vibes
yes, one million percent exactly.
Exactly so then okay, so youdon't DNF.
Obviously I DNF.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Not very often there have been.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So you do, do it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Sometimes yes, there have been times where I've
picked up a book and it's justnot given me the, the, the feels
that I want, and so I put itdown, but I don't, I don't know
if I'd call it like a DNF.
It's a not right now.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Soft, yes, yes, because I'm technically the same
way.
I never hard DNF as in.
I'm never reading this again.
I'm going to give it away.
It's more like this is I'm notin the mood for this right now.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I feel like as a mood reader.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That's what DNFing is .
It's more like I'm going to putthis Now for later.
I guess yeah.
So then have you given?
Have you ever rated a cozy aone or two star?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, I have, I have and I should have.
I should have read throughthese questions before, before
we got on, because I'm trying toremember.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And don't, you don't have to list the book, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
No, there are.
There are quite a few that likeI can see in my head that I did
rate, um, not not the best.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Do you remember why?
Was it plot?
Was it character?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
um, a lot of the time it's characters.
Um, like, if you're going towrite a cozy mystery with
annoying characters like I'm notgoing to lie the book that I'm
currently reading right now itwill be a two star.
The sister relationship is socatty and childish and they seem
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as though like they are stilltweens and it's driving me and
freaking sane and like theprivilege these two like
characters have, like mommy anddaddy are rich so they don't
really have to worry aboutanything, and like they live
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with their mom, like it's justyeah.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, I could see that, because it takes a lot,
because, obviously, obviously,since the characters are what
sticks with us, yes, any kind offoul committed on them will be
a low ranking.
I remember, I think I rememberthe book, but I'm trying to
remember if I DNF'd it late inthe game or if I actually
finished and rated it low, butit also was for the character,
(23:38):
who was very judgmental um and Idid not like that, since
obviously the main, the point ofour main character is to kind
of be a people person, becauseyou have to go around, yeah,
obviously, talking to people tofind out clues and stuff.
And she just came across veryjudgmental in her, in her
(23:59):
monologue, and it just puts sucha bad taste in my mouth.
So, yeah, I mean, I feel likethat's a really fair and valid
reason for ranking something lowbecause the character isn't
likable and the character issupposed to be likable.
Now, obviously, if we'retalking about books where, you
know, as often with cozy's, theside character there might be
(24:19):
like um, I don't, I want to, Iwant to say evil villain, but
that's not the case.
But like, yeah, side character,that's like a taylor dozy or a
um oh my god, what is the guy's?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
richard lord.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Thank you um where they're supposed to be?
Yeah, antagonistic and like youdon't like them.
That's obviously not what we'retalking about.
Our main character is supposedto be somebody who they don't
have to be perfect, but theydefinitely have to be somebody
who you trust.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You can relate to.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Exactly, Exactly, so yeah.
I feel that on that front andit's unfortunate, but you know
it happens and it is what it is.
So obviously we're not justgoing to talk about the books or
list out books that we didn'tlike.
Let's end it on a high note andlist out some cozies that we
loved and gave five stars.
(25:10):
So, court, give us a palatecleanser on what you loved.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay.
So this year my first cozy fivestar was Resort to Murder, a
Northwoods mystery by AnneMcEwen.
It like gave you, like I wantedto be a part of the main
character's family.
They were a hug on a page.
They were just so freakingfantastic and I loved the whole
(25:38):
entire vibe.
And the next book comes out, Ithink, at the end of June or
July.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's close.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, and it's going to be a 4th of July themed book
and I'm just, I freaking lovedit so much, I freaking loved it
so much.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh, I'm so excited to read it.
I have it not only on my TBR,but I actually have it, so I'm
going to definitely push it upwith confidence.
Yes, okay.
So one that I not only love butgushed about for the longest
time, and still do, and ameagerly anticipating the next
book in the series, which shouldbe coming out, I believe, later
(26:17):
this month or next month, ismagic lies and deadly pies by
misha pop yes I know that youread this and, coincidentally,
first of all I forgot uh, notbecause I wasn't listening, I
just have the memory of agoldfish but I picked it up
shortly after you mentioned thatyou read it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But for those of you who don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's kind of like a humorously dark cozy where our
amateur sleuth bakes murder pies.
So by day she has her own kindof like independent catering
food truck type thing where shedoes actually bake sweets and
pies, but then she's got a sidegig where she bakes pies
intended for people who do badthings, so they're kind of like
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justice pies and she serves themup and essentially they die.
So I, oh my god, I adore thatbook so much the writing is
sharp and cheeky.
There is cursing in it which Idon't mind but I feel like I
need to mention to people, sincea lot of movies are often clean
language, but I love thewriting and the dialogue.
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I love our main character.
There were some instances whereshe had like inner monologue,
battling with herself on likewhat's right and what's wrong?
The side characters are verynot very, but like they're
complex and interesting, sothey're not at all cookie cutter
.
Oh my God, it's so good.
And the second book, it's sogood, so good I'm drawing a
(27:42):
blank Either the second book orthe.
I think it's the third bookAnyway, one of the books in the
series other than the first one.
It's set against like almost abaking Great British Bake Off
backdrop.
I'm a sucker for those, soautomatic five stars for both of
those.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, no, they were a million percent amazing.
I second that.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yes, excellent, okay, well, I think we have gabbed
enough about our rating systemand what we love, how we rank
stuff, but we'd love to know ifyour rating system is similar to
ours.
Do you have rules, what theyare?
When it comes to rating cozies,how is it different?
Or if it's different thanrating other genres, do you even
(28:26):
rate cozies?
I know some people who justread books, list them out and
don't rate them, so we want toknow all of that.
Good, stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes, so that's going to be it for today's episode.
We hope that you considersticking around for future
episodes where we'll chat aboutall things bookish and cozy.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
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Welcome to Curl Up and Clue In a Cozy, Mystery
podcast hosted by two BookTubersturned best friends.
I'm Courtney.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I'm Spencer.
Join us every episode as wedive into the enchanting world
of cozy mysteries and find thecozy in everyday life.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello again, Hello hello.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So let's address the elephant in the room.
It's been a little bit of awhile.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It has, it has, it has Yep.
But that's okay, because thatis crazy hectic motherhood life
right, it is yes, yes, there'sjust, you know, when you're two
hours behind me.
And then, with all of theextracurricular activities and
all of those things, we had alittle blip in not being able to
(00:44):
record.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, but that's okay Because we are back.
We are at it, I'm very excited.
Yes, For the record, we'veknown what we've wanted to talk
about for a while.
Yes, Finding the time.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Whether it was I had to cancel because kids were not
feeling well, or I was, I fellasleep.
You know the the, you know lifeexactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay.
Well then, catch me up then.
What are you currently reading?
What have you been up to?
Give me the deets okay.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So since we uh, originally talked about this, I
have already finished the bookthat I was going to be talking
about, but I still think thatpeople should read it.
It's called A Killing inCostumes by Zach Bissonnette.
I'm not going to say thatcorrectly, it was
fan-freaking-tastic.
(01:36):
I love the idea of sort of likeHollywood vibes in a cozy
mystery.
I feel like it's just.
It's something that I didn'tknow, that I was missing.
Jay Allen and Cindy Cooper weresoap opera stars in the late 90s
(01:58):
.
They were the young, wholesomewife and husband duo until they
both came out and divorcedamicably.
But then their show was sort ofcanceled and it was, you know,
put to the back burner.
And then we're fast forward 20years and Cindy's wife has
(02:20):
passed away from cancer.
His wife has passed away fromcancer and she is opening up a
costume shop to sort of bow tothe stars and starlets of old
Hollywood and sell thosememorabilia.
And Jay Allen and his fancyself is coming down to help her
(02:40):
run her shop.
And it's just.
It's so freaking good it was.
It was so fun.
I.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I had a blast reading it.
That sounds so awesome, likeanytime you think of that golden
Hollywood era.
I mean so many vivid imagescome to mind, so I could only
imagine the plethora ofdescriptions.
So tell me then is it part of aseries?
What book number if?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
it is.
This is book one.
From what I have gathered, it'spublished by Penguin Random
House and it's yeah, it's thefirst in the Hollywood Treasures
Mystery Series.
I got it when it was like twoor three bucks on Libro FM
because they do amazing cozymystery sales, and it grabbed me
(03:30):
when it says stardom fades fastwhen you're on the line for
murder.
In this debut cozy mystery,perfect for fans of Richard
Osman and Jen McKinley.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh well, you love the Thursday murder club.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I do, so I was like I mean, take my money, so I can't
.
I can't wait until the nextbook in the series.
I don't know when it's going tobe, because this one came out
in 2022.
What about you?
What are you reading?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
name sounds familiar.
It's because she is the authorof the inheritance games series.
Um she I don't want to say shedefinitively writes ya, but both
of those series are ya and thenatural series that I've been
binging.
I'm currently on.
I think I just finished bookthree.
All in it is like criminalminds with a ya cast.
Oh I love criminal minds.
Yeah, I do too kind of y8 ish.
So I a little bit of backstory.
(04:28):
I picked up the inheritancegames a couple years ago when I
was kind of in a reading slumpand wanted to do something
different and I loved it andbinged that series until I kind
of caught up with waiting on thelatest book and, um, this time
around, just coinc,coincidentally I did the same
thing.
Like the natural series has beenon my TBR for a while and I was
(04:49):
in kind of a I don't want tosay a slump, but I couldn't
decide what direction I wantedto read and I'm like you know
what, let me, let me shop myshelf, and I picked up the first
one and, of course, inhaled it,and so I also love Criminal
Minds and such a good show isthat, I know, but like, weirdly
(05:09):
enough, my barometer forgruesome dark crime has kind of.
It's a little harder for me todigest these days, which is odd
because I love dark stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But no, I get that, I get that, I get that, yeah,
exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't know if it's motherhood or like my current
state of mind, where I need thatsoft life, but regardless, this
is perfect because, since it'sthrough a young adult lens, I
don't want to say that it'scompletely devoid of any kind of
darkness, obviously, becauseyou've got that criminal, mind
killing, hunting aspect, butit's way less gruesome than, say
(05:49):
, like a nordic noir, and soanyway so it's like, it's like
bloody light yes, exactly,exactly.
So.
Um, you follow the storythrough the main character who's
one of the?
Um.
I guess you can call them likestudents or participants in this
program.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
It's called the.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Naturals Program and it's basically a group of young
adults like 17, 18, who haveextraordinary gifts that make
them naturally or I guess inthis case, unnaturally good and
excel at um criminology typebehaviors.
So like reading people, umbeing able to detect lies,
(06:31):
someone is really good with likeany kind of numbers, whether
it's patterns or like figuringthings out on a map, anything
like that.
So the fbi basically like letsthem solve cold cases, but of
course our main character hasher own baggage and backstory.
That interweaves itself intothe fourth book and it's really
(07:03):
been hitting the spot.
So I can definitely recommendit, especially for people.
If you like cozies but you alsolike darker themed mysteries or
thrillers, definitely checkthis one out.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So yeah, no, that.
I mean you sold me literallylike I just I'm I'm about to
finish a cozy mystery that I'mpushing myself through finishing
it, but I really didn't want tofinish it, and so I'm going to
need like a palate cleanser ofsorts, because this one just was
(07:36):
not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I know, we were talking about that earlier in a
text message.
Oh man, that's the worst,especially if you've gotten to a
point to where you're almosttoo far to turn back.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
For me it's never too far, but I get it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Like I said earlier, I really wish I could just mute
the main characters and thenjust have like the surrounding
characters, kind of like fill inwhat the mystery is and the
whodunit, mm-hmm in what themystery is and the whodunit,
yeah yeah.
So, speaking of that today'sepisode, we wanted to sort of
(08:17):
have more of a unfiltered,unscripted kind of chat about
ratings but more specificallyhow we rate cozy mysteries.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Okay, yes, so when it comes to ratings, I think we
can all agree that they areextremely subjective and we
thought we would chat about ourown personal rating system for
cozies in particular, sinceobviously we like to talk about
cozies on this podcast and wecan compare notes and see how
they stack up against each other.
We have not, guys.
(08:42):
We've not done any planning, socourt's answers are going to be
a total surprise for me andvice versa.
I feel like that would be fun.
But yeah, let's just kind ofdive right into it.
Starting off, I guess, just ablanket statement how do you
rate your cozies?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So I go by feeling on how I feel at the end of the
book.
If I am in love with thecharacters and the cozy setting,
I am way more likely to rate ithigh, even if the writing isn't
as beautifully done.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No, that totally makes sense.
I also rate off of vibes andit's so funny I think you
started the gate with hittingthe nail on the head, which is
how you feel at the end kind ofsummarizes or trumps the like
that dictates everything, whichsometimes that's a good thing,
sometimes that's a bad thing.
But yeah, like if there arebumps along the road, even in
(09:42):
the beat, especially in thebeginning, if it ends where I'm
like oh, I feel so warm and cozyor I loved xyz character, then
I'm like I will totally almostput blinders on with any fumbles
that happen in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's almost like it's my favorite child now.
And then if anybody saysanything bad about it, I'm just
like you have no taste Like,even if, even if what they're
saying is like at the verybeginning it was sluggish and
yada, yada, yada, and I'm like,yeah, I agree with that.
But then they're like and so Ithought it was horrible.
(10:18):
I'm like pause there, I jumpedoff your little truck of
chugging because that is not no,no, this is bae and you are
wrong so funny.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I mean you and I both have individual cozy mystery
book club and it's reallyinteresting because I will.
So in the past I've nitpicked abook.
Obviously when you are at bookclub you are supposed to really
dig deep.
But I will nitpick a book andlike really go in about, like
why did they do this?
And like, oh my God, wasn't itsilly when this happened.
But what's really funny is likeafter that I will still
(11:01):
recommend the book and it'salmost as if like digging in and
talking about it has made megrow closer to the book yes, To
where, even though I just notbashed it, but like put it under
the microscope, I will stilllike.
I will remember it fondly.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, get out of my head.
So, like with having the cozyescape book club, I have found
myself like if I had rated abook like a solid three, which
three isn't horrible, but likeyeah, yeah, solid, uh.
After book club, I find myselflike so entranced with the
characters because I've justtalked for like an hour with
(11:41):
people about it that like I comeout in like this euphoric, like
drunken state, oh my god.
And then it's like, oh, Ishould really bump that up to a
four.
I am going to go to Goodreadsand do that right now.
Yes, oh my God.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I did the same thing.
Okay, so either we're bothcrazy or I'm not crazy, and you
proved my point.
But that is so accurate anddon't get me wrong.
Like, obviously there arecozies that I don't love.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I can come out of this even more so like eh, I
this just verified that I didn'tlove it.
But more often than not I thinkit's also because I DNF in a
heartbeat, so if I'm not jibingby a certain point, I won't read
past.
So it's almost like everythingwill automatically get at the
minimum and okay rating justbecause I didn't like it that
much that early on.
(12:33):
I'm never going to finish it.
But oh my gosh, you are so right.
Oftentimes I've gone in andbeen like all right, so this
three is actually a four, oreven more so, and I should have
pulled an example.
Actually, I do know an example.
There was a cozy mystery that Ididn't love.
(12:53):
like I didn't hate it, but itwas like a three and I like, but
like a low three.
But I remembered it so fondlyand I for some reason
recommended it to so many peopleand like the more I talked
about it, I'm like, oh my god,this is amazing.
Coincidentally, I went intogoodreads just to familiarize
myself with like when I read itand I saw my star rating and I
was shocked that I was so low,because in my mind, I had built
(13:17):
it up to be this amazing book.
Yes, and it probably is,clearly because that's how I
remembered it.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
But, oh my gosh, yeah , yeah, it's, uh, yeah, so it's
crazy, yeah, it's just, and andI need to be better at DNFing
like I'm at I'm at like only 19minutes left on this audiobook
and I'm so mad about it, but,but am I gonna finish it?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
hell yes, I'm gonna finish it because yeah I have to
well, kudos to you, becausesometimes my dnf gets the best
of me and I have dnf stuff whenI'm like I kid you, not like 75
through and I'm like pushthrough it just to be a
completionist.
But my brain is like no, I'mdone with you, you're dead.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
To me it's.
It's actually easier for me todnf physical books than it is
for me to dnf audiobooksinteresting, interesting yeah, I
can, I can DNF a physical bookreal quick.
I can just be like, okay, nope,and I put it down on bun and
bye.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Not the audio book, and I think that has, I mean I
could be wrong, so let me knowif I'm wrong.
But for me, cause I'm the sameway, I think it's because, let's
be honest between our, like,current state in life, mothers
on the go whatever.
I think it's because, in thehierarchy of book types,
physical is the mostinconvenient.
Yes, and so it already has that.
(14:42):
Strike against it because youknow we of course we listen to a
crap ton of audio books becauseit's so much easier to fit it
in our pockets of time, and Ithink next comes e-books,
because you can just fire up aKindle, look on your phone app,
whatever.
And it takes like I have to bein the mood, like to have that
tactile feel and like get intothat whole romanticized state of
(15:04):
picking up a physical book.
But like if the font's too smallor I'm not immediately sucked
in.
I'm like I'm done with you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yep, yep.
Pretty much I have come to therealization that most of the
books on my bookshelves are nowjust book trophies.
They're like, yes, they're,they're the books that I, that I
love, that I want to read andeverything.
And then I'm trying not to buyanything new physically until
(15:31):
I've listened to it or read iton ebook, because, one, I don't
have enough room for that, andthen, two, it's just, it's just
easier that way.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, Uh.
I think I need to come to termswith that, because I will never
realistically finish all of thebooks on my shelf if I'm stuck
reading the physical copy and inmy mind I'm like, well, it's
kind of a waste if I buy aduplicate as an audio or a
physical.
I got to get over that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, no, I, there are a good majority of my books.
I own all three.
I own the physical, ebook andaudio book, and it's just.
I need to be able to consume mybooks in all forms.
I am a book dragon and that isokay with me.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yes, I love it.
I love it.
Okay.
So I think we can agree that werate off of vibes 100%, whether
it's state of mind, whetherit's how the book made us feel
at the end.
If something is so egregious toput me off earlier than that,
then obviously I will dnf.
But okay, so tell me then,because I feel like we've kind
(16:36):
of talked about this just ingeneral in the past but like,
how do you rate or does yourrating stack up when it comes to
like the first book in theseries versus the rest of the
series, because obviously, yeah,they're the same series but
like different in the sense towhere one you're totally getting
introduced, versus revisitingthe characters?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Okay, that's a really good question.
I feel like I'm harsher on thefirst book than I am on the rest
of the series, because thefirst book is what has to hook
you right.
They have to be able to get youinto the cozy town feeling.
They have to be able to get youwith the characters and
(17:19):
whatever niche it is.
It's a lot of work to write afirst book in the cozy mystery
and then, once you've got them,they'll be catnip for the rest
of your series.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I agree.
It's almost like if you canpique my interest enough to make
me pick up the second book.
I'm way more forgiving and Ithink about it a lot fondly
because, again, it's likebuilding friendships.
You know these people, you knowyour neighbors.
They're not perfect, you know,you may have had a rough
introduction to them, but youpush past that and you like them
(17:56):
enough to want to go back totheir house.
Yes, yes exactly, that's perfect, you're absolutely right,
Because I find myself and I'mpretty sure you asked this too,
but I know when I have book club, one of the questions we ask is
like are you going to finishthe series, Whether it's the
first book or anything else?
Like would you pick up anotherbook in this series?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yes, or would you recommend it?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, exactly, and I think that that's a really good
question because, as we know,one of the main pillars of Cozy
Mysteries is the fact thatthey're a series.
Yes, so yeah, you could be infor a real treat if you say yes
to a series that's 20 books deep, versus.
It didn't capture me enough towhere I want to bother to get
(18:42):
invested.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree.
And this, so this episode thatwe're recording gave me sort of
like a creative vibe and juiceto create a new video.
Ooh, lovely of vibe and juiceto create a new video.
I haven't recorded it yet, butI'm going to tier rank the first
books, so they're the firstbook in the series of.
(19:05):
I'm going to do it for ahundred series that I have read
from.
I went all the way back to 2020to now and I went through every
book that I've read and Ipicked all of the first book in
a series.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You've read a hundred series since 2020?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I've started, started a hundred series since 2020.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Well, still, that's reading at least a hundred books
of cozies, but that's awesome,okay, well, obviously keep a
lookout on our instagram forwhen court comes out with that,
but I would love to see that,because then you're revisiting
all of the books and yourthoughts about them and whether
or not like.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Do I remember reading it enough to like?
Did I pick up the second bookin the series?
Did I not pick up the second?
But but like, like it's gonna.
I mean, 2020 was a long timeago, like, yeah, it was so.
Pandemic years, yeah.
So yeah, this, this inspired meto do that.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, that's awesome and it's interesting.
I will be interested to seeyour notes about how much you
remember, because, as we allknow, know, and I'm sure there's
been like various memes andother people have like
articulated in like a veryhumorous way or a relatable way,
the reason we go off of vibesis because, like 90 of the time,
(20:26):
we can't remember the plot ofthe book, and I feel like that's
especially true for cozies,because and and why it's so
important to have that throughline the plot of like just
knowing the characters.
Yes, because as much as I love,like brie baker seaside series
(20:47):
or um the um bibliophile mysteryseries, you cannot tell me to
recount the plots for everysingle book, but I can certainly
tell you, like our maincharacter, who she ended up
marrying what her family is like, because those are the things
that stick with you yeah, that'swhat matters yeah, exactly
(21:08):
that's exactly what matters andthat's why we rate it by vibes
yes, one million percent exactly.
Exactly so then okay, so youdon't DNF.
Obviously I DNF.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Not very often there have been.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So you do, do it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Sometimes yes, there have been times where I've
picked up a book and it's justnot given me the, the, the feels
that I want, and so I put itdown, but I don't, I don't know
if I'd call it like a DNF.
It's a not right now.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Soft, yes, yes, because I'm technically the same
way.
I never hard DNF as in.
I'm never reading this again.
I'm going to give it away.
It's more like this is I'm notin the mood for this right now.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I feel like as a mood reader.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That's what DNFing is .
It's more like I'm going to putthis Now for later.
I guess yeah.
So then have you given?
Have you ever rated a cozy aone or two star?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, I have, I have and I should have.
I should have read throughthese questions before, before
we got on, because I'm trying toremember.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And don't, you don't have to list the book, yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
No, there are.
There are quite a few that likeI can see in my head that I did
rate, um, not not the best.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Do you remember why?
Was it plot?
Was it character?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
um, a lot of the time it's characters.
Um, like, if you're going towrite a cozy mystery with
annoying characters like I'm notgoing to lie the book that I'm
currently reading right now itwill be a two star.
The sister relationship is socatty and childish and they seem
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as though like they are stilltweens and it's driving me and
freaking sane and like theprivilege these two like
characters have, like mommy anddaddy are rich so they don't
really have to worry aboutanything, and like they live
(23:12):
with their mom, like it's justyeah.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, I could see that, because it takes a lot,
because, obviously, obviously,since the characters are what
sticks with us, yes, any kind offoul committed on them will be
a low ranking.
I remember, I think I rememberthe book, but I'm trying to
remember if I DNF'd it late inthe game or if I actually
finished and rated it low, butit also was for the character,
(23:38):
who was very judgmental um and Idid not like that, since
obviously the main, the point ofour main character is to kind
of be a people person, becauseyou have to go around, yeah,
obviously, talking to people tofind out clues and stuff.
And she just came across veryjudgmental in her, in her
(23:59):
monologue, and it just puts sucha bad taste in my mouth.
So, yeah, I mean, I feel likethat's a really fair and valid
reason for ranking something lowbecause the character isn't
likable and the character issupposed to be likable.
Now, obviously, if we'retalking about books where, you
know, as often with cozy's, theside character there might be
(24:19):
like um, I don't, I want to, Iwant to say evil villain, but
that's not the case.
But like, yeah, side character,that's like a taylor dozy or a
um oh my god, what is the guy's?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
richard lord.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Thank you um where they're supposed to be?
Yeah, antagonistic and like youdon't like them.
That's obviously not what we'retalking about.
Our main character is supposedto be somebody who they don't
have to be perfect, but theydefinitely have to be somebody
who you trust.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
You can relate to.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Exactly, Exactly, so yeah.
I feel that on that front andit's unfortunate, but you know
it happens and it is what it is.
So obviously we're not justgoing to talk about the books or
list out books that we didn'tlike.
Let's end it on a high note andlist out some cozies that we
loved and gave five stars.
(25:10):
So, court, give us a palatecleanser on what you loved.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay.
So this year my first cozy fivestar was Resort to Murder, a
Northwoods mystery by AnneMcEwen.
It like gave you, like I wantedto be a part of the main
character's family.
They were a hug on a page.
They were just so freakingfantastic and I loved the whole
(25:38):
entire vibe.
And the next book comes out, Ithink, at the end of June or
July.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's close.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, and it's going to be a 4th of July themed book
and I'm just, I freaking lovedit so much, I freaking loved it
so much.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh, I'm so excited to read it.
I have it not only on my TBR,but I actually have it, so I'm
going to definitely push it upwith confidence.
Yes, okay.
So one that I not only love butgushed about for the longest
time, and still do, and ameagerly anticipating the next
book in the series, which shouldbe coming out, I believe, later
(26:17):
this month or next month, ismagic lies and deadly pies by
misha pop yes I know that youread this and, coincidentally,
first of all I forgot uh, notbecause I wasn't listening, I
just have the memory of agoldfish but I picked it up
shortly after you mentioned thatyou read it.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But for those of you who don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
It's kind of like a humorously dark cozy where our
amateur sleuth bakes murder pies.
So by day she has her own kindof like independent catering
food truck type thing where shedoes actually bake sweets and
pies, but then she's got a sidegig where she bakes pies
intended for people who do badthings, so they're kind of like
(27:00):
justice pies and she serves themup and essentially they die.
So I, oh my god, I adore thatbook so much the writing is
sharp and cheeky.
There is cursing in it which Idon't mind but I feel like I
need to mention to people, sincea lot of movies are often clean
language, but I love thewriting and the dialogue.
(27:22):
I love our main character.
There were some instances whereshe had like inner monologue,
battling with herself on likewhat's right and what's wrong?
The side characters are verynot very, but like they're
complex and interesting, sothey're not at all cookie cutter
.
Oh my God, it's so good.
And the second book, it's sogood, so good I'm drawing a
(27:42):
blank Either the second book orthe.
I think it's the third bookAnyway, one of the books in the
series other than the first one.
It's set against like almost abaking Great British Bake Off
backdrop.
I'm a sucker for those, soautomatic five stars for both of
those.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, no, they were a million percent amazing.
I second that.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yes, excellent, okay, well, I think we have gabbed
enough about our rating systemand what we love, how we rank
stuff, but we'd love to know ifyour rating system is similar to
ours.
Do you have rules, what theyare?
When it comes to rating cozies,how is it different?
Or if it's different thanrating other genres, do you even
(28:26):
rate cozies?
I know some people who justread books, list them out and
don't rate them, so we want toknow all of that.
Good, stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yes, so that's going to be it for today's episode.
We hope that you considersticking around for future
episodes where we'll chat aboutall things bookish and cozy.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Make sure to subscribe so you know when our
next episode drops.
Until then, you can follow usonline at Court Tagonist and
Intentionally Bookish onInstagram and YouTube and on our
Instagram.
Curl Up and Clue In.
Stay cozy, everyone.
Bye, bye.
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