August 28, 2025 • 25 mins
Cut The Tie Podcast with Steven Puri
What if the biggest tragedy in life isn’t failure, but never trying? In this episode of Cut The Tie, host Thomas Helfrich sits down with Steven Puri, founder of The Sukha Company, to talk about cutting ties with safe paths, failed ventures, and the weight of other people’s opinions.
From winning an Academy Award for Independence Day’s visual effects, to launching companies that failed, to building Sukha—a flow state app that helps people focus—Steven shares his journey of reinvention and resilience. He shows why success is about doing the thing you’re capable of, not just scrolling your life away.
About Steven Puri
Steven Puri is the founder of The Sukha Company, where he helps people enter flow state, eliminate distraction, and do their best work. Before building Sukha, Steven worked as a senior executive at Fox and DreamWorks, produced digital effects on more than a dozen films (including True Lies and Independence Day), raised over $20M in venture capital, and launched three companies—one successful exit, two failures. His mission today is simple: help people unlock their potential and finish the work that matters.
In this episode, Thomas and Steven discuss:
- From Hollywood to startups
How Steven went from Academy Award–winning visual effects producer to building tech companies. - The biggest tie to cut: others’ opinions
Why the hardest part of failure is facing friends and family—and how to push through shame. - Redefining success
Moving from chasing Oscars and exits to helping people write their novel, finish their PhD, or simply stay focused. - Failure as fuel
How two failed startups reshaped Steven’s perspective, leading him to discover what truly matters. - Life, family, and legacy
Why becoming a husband, soon-to-be father, and mentor gave Steven a new purpose beyond business metrics.
Key Takeaways
- Don’t waste your life scrolling
The biggest tragedy is never trying to do the thing inside you. - Failure is not fatal
Steven’s two failed companies taught him more than his successful exit ever did. - Success is helping others unlock potential
Real achievement is measured by the lives you impact. - Cut the tie of others’ opinions
You can’t let shame or judgment from friends and family stop you from trying again. - History repeats—learn from it
Human behavior cycles. Understand it, and you’ll spot patterns for opportunity.
Connect with Steven Puri
📎 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-puri/
🌐 Website: https://www.thesukha.co/
📧 Email: steven@thesukhacompany.com
Connect with Thomas Helfrich
🐦 Twitter: https://twitter.com/thelfrich
📘 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cutthetie
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Cut the Tie podcast.
Hello, I'm your host, thomasHelfrich.
I'm on a mission to help youcut the tie to whatever's
holding you back from success.
But you have to define successon your own terms for you to own
it, otherwise you are chasingsomeone else's dream.
Today, I am joined by StephenPuri.
Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is true.
We are here.
Some surprises are going tocome.
I know it's always interestingwith you.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's going to be fun.
Um, it's often not boring.
Is that a double negative?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, that is a, that is a promise of this.
So let's make it not boring andlet's see if I can surprise you
instead of you surprising me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I have a feeling that's going to happen.
All right, start with who youare, where you're from and what
it is you do.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, how about 30 seconds?
Right, let's do it.
So, stephen Puri, I run a FocusFlowState app called Suka.
I have been historically asenior executive at a couple of
motion picture studios, which issuper fun, and I've also raised
about $21 million of venturecapital, run three companies,
(01:01):
one successful exit, twofailures, and really happy to be
here in case I have somethinguseful for you in your life to
share today.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Love it Now so people can properly stalk you.
Wow, this is really for theADHD-er who can't just listen
and they need to do something ontheir phone.
Yeah, how do they properlystalk you while you're speaking?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
today.
Okay, two ways.
One, if I say anythinginteresting, where you're like
oh my God, that book, that post,he talked about that article.
My email address is very public.
You are welcome to email me,stephen, at thesukha, which
means the happiness in SanskritT-H-E-S-U-K-H-A, dot, c-o for
company.
You're happy.
You're welcome to ask me aboutthat.
(01:41):
I will email you back.
I get back to all my emails in24 hours, unless sick or
traveling.
The platform I built, which isa flow state app, if you ever
feel distracted, you want tofinish your work earlier, be
healthier.
It's free for seven days, nocredit card, and it's shockingly
at the Suka T H E S U K H A,that's CO.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Those are the two important things for you to know
.
Awesome, and it's Stephen witha B guys S-T-E-B-E-N.
Ooh, good point.
Yes, we get into this.
Is that the right way to spellit, or is the P-H way the right
way to spell it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
There's my way.
And then there's.
Why would you spell it anotherway?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's like Jeff with a G who does that Right Goof.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay, god, I should write this down.
Every time we talk.
I feel like I should be writingthis down.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'll just give you an AI summary.
You're in a unique space, so Iusually ask people kind of what
your differentiators are.
Maybe.
I'll maybe just jump in alittle bit to just define
success, because I think we'regoing to cover why you do what
you do into your journey.
So I'll skip the uniqueidentifier of why you guys
should be picked and stuff,because I think it's somewhat
unique by itself because we'rethe only one.
(02:45):
Next question um well, how doyou define success?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
uh, I have a very strong thesis that we all have
something great inside us andthe question of this lifetime is
are we going to get it out ornot?
So success at this point in mylife is can I help enough people
to do the thing of whichthey're capable?
I think it's a tragedy to die,as the guy or girl on the sofa
was like.
I scrolled, I double tapped ona lot of stuff and you're eight
(03:12):
years old.
You're like I could have beensomebody, but I scrolled.
You know it's like no man.
If you're gonna write the greatamerican novel, go write it.
If you're gonna go do something, create something to change
people's lives, go do it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's funny because you don't want to be your
deathbed and be like.
I hit the end of the internetthree times in my life.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No one else did that.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I know, but here's the thing is why this is so hard
is the best paycheck if you arean engineer, a designer, a
behavior behavior psychologistis if you go work for a company
whose business model is stealeveryone's lives flat out,
you'll never make more moneythan if you just go.
I could get one more secondfrom a billion people and mark
(03:57):
or evan or elon is like here's ahundred million dollars.
Thank you for helping me.
Steal people's lives.
Let's steal their life, sell itto these advertisers and then
we'll keep the money.
Yay, and I just think that'slike our children will look at
social media with our generationthe way I look at my father's
generation in smoking, whereit's like how y'all have lung
(04:18):
cancer.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
How did you do that?
The podcast right before youwas the exact same analogy.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Are you guys on some kind of fox news trend right now
is that what's going on?
I just changed outfits.
You didn't notice, right?
I just say I am jennifer,you're yeah, this is how you
find out I'm not in a questionthese days.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Uh, talk about a little bit on your dream and uh,
how you got to the point ofdefining that success.
And if you could talk about atie, maybe you cut along the way
.
It would be great as well.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I know a little tie cutting.
So here is the thing that'sprobably fun about me my life is
sort of like Forrest Gump.
I've had lucky stuff drop in mylap and I'd like to believe
I've worked very hard to makesomething of it.
But I do not underestimate thepower of right place, right time
having to be there.
(05:07):
So with that in mind, let melay out for you a couple key
times where I had to sort of cutthe tie and be like what am I
afraid of?
Take the leap, okay.
So when I'm a young little Turk,I was a code monkey.
Both my parents worked at IBM,both engineers.
So I, of of course, wasshockingly a little software
engineer, went off to usc toschool, made a bunch of friends
(05:30):
who were in the cinema tv schoolbecause usc has a great cinema
tv school, right to end uptalking with them, going out to
movies, discussing stuff, and Iwas wait for it in los angeles
when computers got powerfulenough to handle a film.
So that was the rise of likethe avids and the pro tools and
Silicon graphics.
Suddenly, all these movies wereCG.
(05:53):
Right, I ended up producing thedigital effects for a lot of
movies because I was like youknow what, maybe I thought I was
going to go be.
I was going to school forjournalism.
I thought I was going to go bea broadcaster.
Right, I was like this thingjust opened up up.
Do I give up my dream of beinga broadcaster?
And my friends from school wereall going off like colorado,
colorado springs, to be like theweekend anchor and try and work
(06:13):
their way up.
You know, and I was like thisseems really cool, looked fear
in the face and I was like Idon't know that, I know what I'm
doing, but this seemsincredibly cool.
Whenever produced the digitaleffects about 14 movies, weird
movies like seven, bigger movies, like true lives, produce a
digital effects for independenceday, for which we won the
Academy award, which I helpedI'm just not going to lie
(06:37):
Everyone associated with thevisual effects, and that it
helps your career when you'relike, oh yeah, I worked on this
Academy award winning movie lastyear and that helped me set up
my first company, because I gotalong really well with the
director and producer, rolandand Dean, who were very nice to
me.
I was like 23 at the time orsomething and we set up a
company and raised about 15million and I was like, oh, this
(06:58):
is really cool, this new thingI'm trying seems to be going
well.
Did that for four years, got anoffer.
We were bought out by thisgerman conglomerate called uh
das berk.
It's for, like liberty media ofgermany.
And suddenly I'm 28, I've had anexit, I have cash in the bank.
I was like I'm really smart,you know, really good looking
and invincible all the stupidstuff you believe when you're in
(07:20):
your 20s, right, so did thatand then decided what do I want
to do next?
And I thought you know what, asmuch as I built a reputation
and you know visual effects andcomputer generated graphics and
all that let's try to actuallymake a movie, not just make a
little portion of other people'smovies.
But how does a movie get puttogether?
And I realized it was a verydifferent discipline, even
(07:48):
though they kind of get lumpedtogether and like you're making
movies.
Nah, man, like development andpackaging movies is like a
separate set of people, aseparate set of contacts, lingo,
scripts to read.
Then it is making the movie,being on set, being like the guy
or the girl making it right.
So that was another link, aleap for me, where I was like
you know what, let's try thisout.
Took a couple steps down on theladder to go build my resume up
with this new field.
My dad thought I'd gotten fired.
(08:10):
He called one day and I was anassistant, I was a secretary,
and my dad was like you can tellme you got fired from your last
year.
You didn't sell the company,you got fired.
Now you're answering the phone.
I was like no, I'm just treatedlike an internship or an
apprenticeship.
I think I'm in grad school, dad.
Okay, I ended up, as you know, asenior executive at Fox, at
DreamWorks, did a bunch ofmovies, got to work on the Die
(08:32):
Hard franchise as the executiverunning that, which was cool,
and Wolverine and things likethat.
And then I had a moment where Iwas like you know what?
This is the final turn of thestory, my last little cup to die
, where I'm in a job a lot ofpeople envy.
I'm making big-ass $100 to $100million movies from the studio
(08:53):
side and I really looked at DieHard 5.
I'm just going to say it outloud there's no movie there Like
Die Hard 1, I grew up watchingthe Die Hard series.
Die Hard 5, it was hey, man, ifwe make this, people will see
it.
It's called show business.
Make a movie, don't care ifit's any good, right?
That's News Corp's sort ofattitude of like it's a business
(09:16):
, right, it's not art.
And I was like I don't think I'mgoing to wake up, be like 40,
50 years old and be like daddy'sgoing to work to make Diehard 9
, boost the retirement home so Ican pay for your college.
I was like it's not a great useof my life.
So I jumped ship.
I went and got back intoengineering, got back into
starting little companies tosolve little problems, and all
(09:38):
my friends thought I was nuts.
This is before.
It was cool to be in tech.
This is like 10, 12 years agoand that was scary because the
next two companies I did failed.
I felt like an idiot.
I was ashamed.
I hated bumping into friends atthe dry cleaners because they'd
ask you how you're doing andyou're like terrible.
I want to kill myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
What's the?
Was that probably the biggesttie, then?
Is that that perception ofothers what your success or
failure is?
Because you've mentioned, likemy dad called me and my friend.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Is that been the hardest one for you to get over.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I appreciate you're putting afinger on that, like that sense
of you know, your friends, yourfamily, being like did you make
the right decision?
Like is this going to work out?
You know, and you're like, ohno, I'm trying really hard, man,
I'm not sleeping a lot, I'mtrying to do this.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So yeah, yeah it's.
It's important because I thinkit's one of the biggest things
that hold people back becauseyou had some success.
But if you get hit in the facein your first attempt to do a
coup on your life, go get yourparents or what your friends
think you should do, you stopbecause you're like, oh, I'm not
doing that shit again and thenyou wear that scarlet letter the
(10:47):
rest of your life.
And you shouldn't.
Because the truth is at some,you know, at some point you'll
see you're still, it's still inyou of what you wanted to go do
and I think the lesson I'll tryto get the people out there is
like you, just you can't.
You got to overcome otherpeople's opinion because it's,
you know, it's like, it's likean asshole, right, most, most
people, I think.
Some people don't have abutthole anymore, but I think
(11:08):
it's because of cancer orsomething else, but for the most
part, everyone's pretty muchbored with a butthole and that's
how you're going, wow theanatomy lesson we're getting on
this.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I probably need to go over into that, probably a
little two or three layersdeeper.
Yeah, I don't know she, you canalways edit out this stuff.
No, you said just nowdefinitely not.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
People don't know you edited it this already.
No, I mean, you have to get tothis point in the show.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I saw the jump cut.
Put your top on, put your shirton, come on, come on, man.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We're going back after a break, after Stephen
pantsed himself, so Fake cuts.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Go.
Where do you want to go withthis?
Come on, hit me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, along the way, success fails, right?
Yeah, maybe.
What I'd like to hear is whatare you most grateful for in
your life today?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Two things, because the failure of the second and
third company gave me such thisfeeling of depression of just
I'm an idiot.
I moved to New York to help afriend with a real estate deal
and just get the hell out oftown Like fresh scenery, fresh
thing.
I met Laura, my wife in yoga,now married, never thought I'd
(12:18):
be married, met her I was likehuh, actually maybe this is
something I should consider.
And we're having our firstchild in November, super excited
about that.
So, number one, my personal lifechanged dramatically.
Wouldn't have left Los Angelesif I'd been little, you know,
king of the hill still, you knowRight.
And second one is it reallygave me a moment to pause and
(12:39):
think about what did I learn andthat's where my current company
came from was man.
I've seen high performers infilm and high performers in tech
and when they go to do thatwork that moves their life
forward, they have very similarsort of mental tricks about
getting into that spot and thatI don't think it would have
paused to observe if I'd beenjust like everything's going
(13:02):
great.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Uh, do you have anyone you're like you can't
forgive right now?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Do I have anyone in my life I can't forgive?
Um, I had one.
I have one friend right nowthat I'm not talking to because
of disappointment in how heshows up and I think he's
quietly doing some specificdrugs that make him unreliable
(13:26):
as a person, as a friend, andI've offered to help and he's
not at the place where he'sgoing to.
You know, accept help.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I asked that question because I think sometimes, as
people navigate life, there'svery few people who can answer
that Like I'm happy I canthere's you know, and oftentimes
the answer is myself, and wedon't go any deeper than that.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I didn't think about that.
Yeah, reasonable.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
See where you go.
Maybe next time.
In theory, people are workingon it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Thank you, yes, tomorrow's $300 session right,
okay, go, that's right here.
I see, is that a new sofa?
It's really nice.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Thank you for noticing Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
You're going to have to inserta shot of the sofa now we'll be
like what?
Definitely not, that can't,can't change the camera, because
the camera might turn off thecamera might break if they see
your orange shaggy sofa, butwe're not touching.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
We're not touching you're from film, you know
outside of this box is chaos,right, like if I come outside of
the shot honey inside your boxis chaos.
Okay, let's be honest here Ilike how you did that.
Yeah, coming soon.
What is the time in your lifeyou would go back to?
And if you did, what would youdo differently?
Wouldn't?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I've had some amazing experiences.
Like you're on the red carpetfor the first time for a movie
that you worked on.
It's super cool, even thoughtechnically it is a work event.
And after you've done a hundredof them, you're like, oh, oh,
my god, not another thingtonight where I have to see the
same agents who are trying tosell me the same scripts and the
same actors who want to be inmy movie.
Like the first time it's cool.
When we sold the company, thatwas an amazing experience.
(15:01):
I was like I'm 28 28 I'm sobrilliant that I started a
company that someone's going tobuy us at a 6x multiple and I
got to run it for four years.
Like these guys trusted me todo that.
That was super cool.
But I'll tell you I don't have akid this november and like my
reality has already started tochange.
I'm also doing something withmy life like work-wise, where
I'm like this actually helps aton more people than the
(15:24):
wolverine, then transformers oneand two, then star trek, then
you know, go down any of themwith seven.
Like they're cool, people loveto talk about them.
But what I'm doing now, whenpeople actually like this guy
finished his dissertation.
He's like I credit it to yourflow state app.
I'm a he's an assistant viceprincipal at a high school in
missouri.
I saw him using this late atnight on weekends and one day
(15:47):
he's like you can call me drking.
He's like I have passed anddefended Dr King.
He's like I have passed anddefended my dissertation.
I he was working on a PhD inengineering.
That makes me super happy andlike I want to do the same thing
for my kid.
Be like what do you want?
How can I give you theconditions precedent to do what
you're capable of?
Go change the world, dude.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I love it.
That that's.
And your definition of successlike right when, way back when,
would have been.
You know, I want to get theoscar, I want even red carpet, I
want money and his life shiftsand you've defined it
differently for yourself.
And having a baby coming likeyou know, uh, you'll see, that
is the whole purpose of life.
You'll be like all right, youknow it's great.
You're in a spot where you canenjoy it, where many people,
(16:32):
myself included, you're doingthe hustle of corporate and
travel and you just miss so manymoments and it eats at you.
Take advantage of theopportunity, because that is the
one that you will remember.
You've got three kids, you know.
You have full dementia.
You'll remember most of that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Okay, I'm sure it's all coming, but yeah, it's going
to be great.
We'll try and relish eachmoment.
I wouldn't go back.
I really love Ram right now.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I love it.
Do what?
Uh, I'm going to go the otherway with this one.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
What's the worst business advice you've ever
received?
Oh, I've gotten a bar Oof.
Wow, I've got bad businessadvice.
And this is actually what Itell when I'm helping friends
with as much as people who maybewant to help you could be
investors, could be friends,could be advisors.
Give you advice because theywant to help you genuinely.
(17:23):
Don't listen to any of theiradvice unless they have done the
thing.
Everyone has an idea about howfood delivery, photo sharing
apps could be better, how thecar wash should work, Unless
they have built a car wash andsold it.
Don't listen, Just nod and belike okay, cool, that's a data
point.
But man, if you get talking toTony from DoorDash and he talks
(17:47):
to you about how it actuallywent down, listen.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's a really good advice, because I think there's
a lot of people who areintentionally trying to help you
.
Though your opinion isinteresting, it's irrelevant,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's like me talking to the pilot on the flight being
like, hey, man, you shouldreally do this.
When we bank into the airport,he's like okay, 14b, thanks Bye.
I'm going to sail the plane now.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
You want 11A.
That's the seat right.
That's the one survivor fromthe.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Air India one.
Good, Wow, nice data point yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You know what?
What else do you know?
I'd say my data points areworthless and sometimes
inappropriate, and I say you'reright, all right, let's keep
moving forward just a little bit.
If there's one business bookyou've got to read, it's a must
Before you become anentrepreneur and even after.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Dude, I'm going to give you an answer.
No one has or will ever giveyou right, cause there are so
many good business books outthere about how to optimize your
funnel your branding, do youryou know cashflow, budgeting,
build your thing, validate yourmarket, like.
There are some really smartpeople way smarter than I that
have written about that.
I'm going to give you an answer.
There are some really smartpeople way smarter than I that
have written about that.
I'm going to give you an answeryou would never guess.
You'll never hear again.
There's a book called theLessons of History.
(19:07):
Okay, it is written by thismarried couple, will and Ariel
Durant, who spent their lifewriting the history of
civilization.
At the end of it this is like4,000 pages, 11 volumes you know
, huge tome.
Right, they were like what didwe learn about humans?
And they wrote this little book.
(19:29):
It's, I'm going to guess, maybe150 pages and it is the
distillate of a lifetimestudying humans.
You could take any chapter outof that and probably come up
with a fantastic business idea,because you'll go oh my God,
today we are matching thispattern.
What happened next?
And do that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Not to sound Armageddon or whatever, if
that's a word, but we are humansand we are from DNA which we
can be ourselves.
Most of us have been replicatedand unhatched.
Even those who've been hatchedhave been replicated.
But the idea is that we dorepeat history because we are
repeating who we are as aspecies.
Zingo and context changes, butthe primal natures and the
(20:15):
things we fall back to and wantneeds whatever Completely.
I believe we're in the roaring20s again complete.
I 100 agree with everythingyou're saying, which is shocking
to say I agree with you're thefirst and, but I do believe in
the future we we have tonavigate.
What happened after roaring 20s?
Um, we had some major wars.
We had a lot of you know,fallouts and markets.
(20:35):
We had a lot of stuff that'shappened and the antithesis for
that right now, I believe, willbe things like AI and other
technologies.
I don't know if you guys wereaware of this.
In Northern California not toolong ago, they may or may not
have produced a star for a fewmoments, which means in a fusion
reactor.
It's pretty cool, got moreenergy out than they put in that
.
Or mathematicians did the mathwrong, which probably is not the
(20:57):
case.
Maybe the coders did it wrongwhen they're coding, so that's
more likely.
But at the end of the day,that's a huge deal Because, by
the way, if you create too bigof a star, we're all over
instantly.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yes, you've seen like nuclear reactors that are being
shipped on the back of flatbedsLike it's a thing.
It's like, oh, that coal plantor even the windmill is solar,
whatever it is you hate.
I'm not going to take apolitical stance, but the fact
that we have nuclear react,nuclear reactors down to the
size you can stick them in an 18wheeler and deliver them,
(21:30):
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, I agree with you on this, though.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So we're we're in a replicated mode, and I think
history rhymes and I offer youthis book as a business book
because, man, if you read that,then that you're going to go.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I see the cycles, I see the 150 page book, not the
55,000 page one don't read thelong one yeah, now what they did
is the guys.
They took an AI summary andsaid what do we do here?
And they did 150 pages and theyjust looked at each other under
deathbed and they're like wecould have done this in 150
pages.
We got that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I love you're so pro-AI.
You know this is.
I'm actually in bed right now.
This is an avatar.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You're laying flat.
He has no actual lower body.
Hey, there was a question Ishould have asked you today and
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You asked this question before, I think.
I think this is a.
This is the mystery question.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You only know it is if you come into the back of the
podcast or you listen to a show.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, I've listened.
I've done both.
Now actually I'm not sure Ifeel better for that, but I've
done both.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm not saying you've wasted a good time, but you
made our vanity metrics.
Folks, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
There you go, check, all right, what's the question.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I should have asked you how do?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
you answer it.
The question you should ask meis if I could go back in history
and change one thing, whatwould it be?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
That's my question list.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Thanks if I could go back to the Reagan era and imbue
everyone on earth with 5% moreempathy.
I would love to see how thatplayed out today.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I want you to know you're restricted from time
travel because you didn't goback on your own journey.
Therefore, you cannot go backon anybody else's.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You're making up these rules, but I've already
gone to a parallel universewhere I make up the rules, so
did you want?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Forgot it Double, triple, stamped it right there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, sorry, thor, whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think that was Jim Carrey and Jeff Bridges.
And Dumb and Dumber, you can'tdouble stamp.
A triple stamp.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Dude, it's Gwyneth in Sliding Door.
Choose what you want.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It is, it is, it is.
I can't hang a movie becauseyou're from that industry, so
I'm going to stop now.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
All right.
All the time, travel moviesbreak down into one of two
things the past was bad, can Igo back and fix it, or the
present is good.
Oh, oh shit, someone's gonna goback on the past.
I have to make sure I preservethe present.
So it's either like back to thefuture michael j fox's family
is screwed up and he's like if Igo to the past I can fix today,
(24:06):
or today's good and someone'sgonna break the past.
I have to go fix, save it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's every movie I like very much so, by the way,
the man and the high castle, theparallel universe that you're
like.
Hey, the idea with that waslike that's actually going on
now.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I love that movie.
That was like it took a littlewhile to get there, though.
Anyway, there you go.
Restock chance for everybodywho should get ahold of you, and
where's the one place theyshould go.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh, easiest thing is I'm in the group chat in Suka
every day.
So if you want to come meet awhole bunch of other productive
people and get inspired, dropinto thesukaco.
And man, if there's only onething you do do something with
your life, Don't waste it inFacebook, TikTok, Instagram,
(24:53):
Snap, Twitter, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Don't, yeah, Speaking of which guys follow us on
Twitter or?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Snapchat.
So, and while you're at it wasrepost this on LinkedIn and then
, if you could share it toTwitter.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I spoke LinkedIn as well.
Listen to his advice solidYouTube subscribe now.
Yeah, thank you for coming ontoday.
I appreciate it awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Okay, goodbye everyone.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Thank you for anybody made it, this point, the show.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Thank you so much for listening exactly are you going
to give them the lotterynumbers this week or no?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
no, no, it's next week.
Um, okay, I'll give it.
I'll give this week's numbersnext week, but I'm talking to
the audience here now.
So if you were here for thefirst time, I hope it's the
first of many.
If you've been here before, Ihope you.
Welcome to the Cut the Tie podcast.
Hello, I'm your host, thomasHelfrich.
I'm on a mission to help youcut the tie to whatever's
holding you back from success.
But you have to define successon your own terms for you to own
it, otherwise you are chasingsomeone else's dream.
Today, I am joined by StephenPuri.
Stephen, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is true.
We are here.
Some surprises are going tocome.
I know it's always interestingwith you.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's going to be fun.
Um, it's often not boring.
Is that a double negative?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, that is a, that is a promise of this.
So let's make it not boring andlet's see if I can surprise you
instead of you surprising me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I have a feeling that's going to happen.
All right, start with who youare, where you're from and what
it is you do.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, how about 30 seconds?
Right, let's do it.
So, stephen Puri, I run a FocusFlowState app called Suka.
I have been historically asenior executive at a couple of
motion picture studios, which issuper fun, and I've also raised
about $21 million of venturecapital, run three companies,
(01:01):
one successful exit, twofailures, and really happy to be
here in case I have somethinguseful for you in your life to
share today.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Love it Now so people can properly stalk you.
Wow, this is really for theADHD-er who can't just listen
and they need to do something ontheir phone.
Yeah, how do they properlystalk you while you're speaking?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
today.
Okay, two ways.
One, if I say anythinginteresting, where you're like
oh my God, that book, that post,he talked about that article.
My email address is very public.
You are welcome to email me,stephen, at thesukha, which
means the happiness in SanskritT-H-E-S-U-K-H-A, dot, c-o for
company.
You're happy.
You're welcome to ask me aboutthat.
(01:41):
I will email you back.
I get back to all my emails in24 hours, unless sick or
traveling.
The platform I built, which isa flow state app, if you ever
feel distracted, you want tofinish your work earlier, be
healthier.
It's free for seven days, nocredit card, and it's shockingly
at the Suka T H E S U K H A,that's CO.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Those are the two important things for you to know
.
Awesome, and it's Stephen witha B guys S-T-E-B-E-N.
Ooh, good point.
Yes, we get into this.
Is that the right way to spellit, or is the P-H way the right
way to spell it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
There's my way.
And then there's.
Why would you spell it anotherway?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's like Jeff with a G who does that Right Goof.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay, god, I should write this down.
Every time we talk.
I feel like I should be writingthis down.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'll just give you an AI summary.
You're in a unique space, so Iusually ask people kind of what
your differentiators are.
Maybe.
I'll maybe just jump in alittle bit to just define
success, because I think we'regoing to cover why you do what
you do into your journey.
So I'll skip the uniqueidentifier of why you guys
should be picked and stuff,because I think it's somewhat
unique by itself because we'rethe only one.
(02:45):
Next question um well, how doyou define success?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
uh, I have a very strong thesis that we all have
something great inside us andthe question of this lifetime is
are we going to get it out ornot?
So success at this point in mylife is can I help enough people
to do the thing of whichthey're capable?
I think it's a tragedy to die,as the guy or girl on the sofa
was like.
I scrolled, I double tapped ona lot of stuff and you're eight
(03:12):
years old.
You're like I could have beensomebody, but I scrolled.
You know it's like no man.
If you're gonna write the greatamerican novel, go write it.
If you're gonna go do something, create something to change
people's lives, go do it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's funny because you don't want to be your
deathbed and be like.
I hit the end of the internetthree times in my life.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Right yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No one else did that.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I know, but here's the thing is why this is so hard
is the best paycheck if you arean engineer, a designer, a
behavior behavior psychologistis if you go work for a company
whose business model is stealeveryone's lives flat out,
you'll never make more moneythan if you just go.
I could get one more secondfrom a billion people and mark
(03:57):
or evan or elon is like here's ahundred million dollars.
Thank you for helping me.
Steal people's lives.
Let's steal their life, sell itto these advertisers and then
we'll keep the money.
Yay, and I just think that'slike our children will look at
social media with our generationthe way I look at my father's
generation in smoking, whereit's like how y'all have lung
(04:18):
cancer.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
How did you do that?
The podcast right before youwas the exact same analogy.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Are you guys on some kind of fox news trend right now
is that what's going on?
I just changed outfits.
You didn't notice, right?
I just say I am jennifer,you're yeah, this is how you
find out I'm not in a questionthese days.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Uh, talk about a little bit on your dream and uh,
how you got to the point ofdefining that success.
And if you could talk about atie, maybe you cut along the way
.
It would be great as well.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I know a little tie cutting.
So here is the thing that'sprobably fun about me my life is
sort of like Forrest Gump.
I've had lucky stuff drop in mylap and I'd like to believe
I've worked very hard to makesomething of it.
But I do not underestimate thepower of right place, right time
having to be there.
(05:07):
So with that in mind, let melay out for you a couple key
times where I had to sort of cutthe tie and be like what am I
afraid of?
Take the leap, okay.
So when I'm a young little Turk,I was a code monkey.
Both my parents worked at IBM,both engineers.
So I, of of course, wasshockingly a little software
engineer, went off to usc toschool, made a bunch of friends
(05:30):
who were in the cinema tv schoolbecause usc has a great cinema
tv school, right to end uptalking with them, going out to
movies, discussing stuff, and Iwas wait for it in los angeles
when computers got powerfulenough to handle a film.
So that was the rise of likethe avids and the pro tools and
Silicon graphics.
Suddenly, all these movies wereCG.
(05:53):
Right, I ended up producing thedigital effects for a lot of
movies because I was like youknow what, maybe I thought I was
going to go be.
I was going to school forjournalism.
I thought I was going to go bea broadcaster.
Right, I was like this thingjust opened up up.
Do I give up my dream of beinga broadcaster?
And my friends from school wereall going off like colorado,
colorado springs, to be like theweekend anchor and try and work
(06:13):
their way up.
You know, and I was like thisseems really cool, looked fear
in the face and I was like Idon't know that, I know what I'm
doing, but this seemsincredibly cool.
Whenever produced the digitaleffects about 14 movies, weird
movies like seven, bigger movies, like true lives, produce a
digital effects for independenceday, for which we won the
Academy award, which I helpedI'm just not going to lie
(06:37):
Everyone associated with thevisual effects, and that it
helps your career when you'relike, oh yeah, I worked on this
Academy award winning movie lastyear and that helped me set up
my first company, because I gotalong really well with the
director and producer, rolandand Dean, who were very nice to
me.
I was like 23 at the time orsomething and we set up a
company and raised about 15million and I was like, oh, this
(06:58):
is really cool, this new thingI'm trying seems to be going
well.
Did that for four years, got anoffer.
We were bought out by thisgerman conglomerate called uh
das berk.
It's for, like liberty media ofgermany.
And suddenly I'm 28, I've had anexit, I have cash in the bank.
I was like I'm really smart,you know, really good looking
and invincible all the stupidstuff you believe when you're in
(07:20):
your 20s, right, so did thatand then decided what do I want
to do next?
And I thought you know what, asmuch as I built a reputation
and you know visual effects andcomputer generated graphics and
all that let's try to actuallymake a movie, not just make a
little portion of other people'smovies.
But how does a movie get puttogether?
And I realized it was a verydifferent discipline, even
(07:48):
though they kind of get lumpedtogether and like you're making
movies.
Nah, man, like development andpackaging movies is like a
separate set of people, aseparate set of contacts, lingo,
scripts to read.
Then it is making the movie,being on set, being like the guy
or the girl making it right.
So that was another link, aleap for me, where I was like
you know what, let's try thisout.
Took a couple steps down on theladder to go build my resume up
with this new field.
My dad thought I'd gotten fired.
(08:10):
He called one day and I was anassistant, I was a secretary,
and my dad was like you can tellme you got fired from your last
year.
You didn't sell the company,you got fired.
Now you're answering the phone.
I was like no, I'm just treatedlike an internship or an
apprenticeship.
I think I'm in grad school, dad.
Okay, I ended up, as you know, asenior executive at Fox, at
DreamWorks, did a bunch ofmovies, got to work on the Die
(08:32):
Hard franchise as the executiverunning that, which was cool,
and Wolverine and things likethat.
And then I had a moment where Iwas like you know what?
This is the final turn of thestory, my last little cup to die
, where I'm in a job a lot ofpeople envy.
I'm making big-ass $100 to $100million movies from the studio
(08:53):
side and I really looked at DieHard 5.
I'm just going to say it outloud there's no movie there Like
Die Hard 1, I grew up watchingthe Die Hard series.
Die Hard 5, it was hey, man, ifwe make this, people will see
it.
It's called show business.
Make a movie, don't care ifit's any good, right?
That's News Corp's sort ofattitude of like it's a business
(09:16):
, right, it's not art.
And I was like I don't think I'mgoing to wake up, be like 40,
50 years old and be like daddy'sgoing to work to make Diehard 9
, boost the retirement home so Ican pay for your college.
I was like it's not a great useof my life.
So I jumped ship.
I went and got back intoengineering, got back into
starting little companies tosolve little problems, and all
(09:38):
my friends thought I was nuts.
This is before.
It was cool to be in tech.
This is like 10, 12 years agoand that was scary because the
next two companies I did failed.
I felt like an idiot.
I was ashamed.
I hated bumping into friends atthe dry cleaners because they'd
ask you how you're doing andyou're like terrible.
I want to kill myself, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
What's the?
Was that probably the biggesttie, then?
Is that that perception ofothers what your success or
failure is?
Because you've mentioned, likemy dad called me and my friend.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Is that been the hardest one for you to get over.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I appreciate you're putting afinger on that, like that sense
of you know, your friends, yourfamily, being like did you make
the right decision?
Like is this going to work out?
You know, and you're like, ohno, I'm trying really hard, man,
I'm not sleeping a lot, I'mtrying to do this.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So yeah, yeah it's.
It's important because I thinkit's one of the biggest things
that hold people back becauseyou had some success.
But if you get hit in the facein your first attempt to do a
coup on your life, go get yourparents or what your friends
think you should do, you stopbecause you're like, oh, I'm not
doing that shit again and thenyou wear that scarlet letter the
(10:47):
rest of your life.
And you shouldn't.
Because the truth is at some,you know, at some point you'll
see you're still, it's still inyou of what you wanted to go do
and I think the lesson I'll tryto get the people out there is
like you, just you can't.
You got to overcome otherpeople's opinion because it's,
you know, it's like, it's likean asshole, right, most, most
people, I think.
Some people don't have abutthole anymore, but I think
(11:08):
it's because of cancer orsomething else, but for the most
part, everyone's pretty muchbored with a butthole and that's
how you're going, wow theanatomy lesson we're getting on
this.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I probably need to go over into that, probably a
little two or three layersdeeper.
Yeah, I don't know she, you canalways edit out this stuff.
No, you said just nowdefinitely not.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
People don't know you edited it this already.
No, I mean, you have to get tothis point in the show.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I saw the jump cut.
Put your top on, put your shirton, come on, come on, man.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We're going back after a break, after Stephen
pantsed himself, so Fake cuts.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Go.
Where do you want to go withthis?
Come on, hit me.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, along the way, success fails, right?
Yeah, maybe.
What I'd like to hear is whatare you most grateful for in
your life today?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Two things, because the failure of the second and
third company gave me such thisfeeling of depression of just
I'm an idiot.
I moved to New York to help afriend with a real estate deal
and just get the hell out oftown Like fresh scenery, fresh
thing.
I met Laura, my wife in yoga,now married, never thought I'd
(12:18):
be married, met her I was likehuh, actually maybe this is
something I should consider.
And we're having our firstchild in November, super excited
about that.
So, number one, my personal lifechanged dramatically.
Wouldn't have left Los Angelesif I'd been little, you know,
king of the hill still, you knowRight.
And second one is it reallygave me a moment to pause and
(12:39):
think about what did I learn andthat's where my current company
came from was man.
I've seen high performers infilm and high performers in tech
and when they go to do thatwork that moves their life
forward, they have very similarsort of mental tricks about
getting into that spot and thatI don't think it would have
paused to observe if I'd beenjust like everything's going
(13:02):
great.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Uh, do you have anyone you're like you can't
forgive right now?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Do I have anyone in my life I can't forgive?
Um, I had one.
I have one friend right nowthat I'm not talking to because
of disappointment in how heshows up and I think he's
quietly doing some specificdrugs that make him unreliable
(13:26):
as a person, as a friend, andI've offered to help and he's
not at the place where he'sgoing to.
You know, accept help.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I asked that question because I think sometimes, as
people navigate life, there'svery few people who can answer
that Like I'm happy I canthere's you know, and oftentimes
the answer is myself, and wedon't go any deeper than that.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I didn't think about that.
Yeah, reasonable.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
See where you go.
Maybe next time.
In theory, people are workingon it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Thank you, yes, tomorrow's $300 session right,
okay, go, that's right here.
I see, is that a new sofa?
It's really nice.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Thank you for noticing Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
You're going to have to inserta shot of the sofa now we'll be
like what?
Definitely not, that can't,can't change the camera, because
the camera might turn off thecamera might break if they see
your orange shaggy sofa, butwe're not touching.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
We're not touching you're from film, you know
outside of this box is chaos,right, like if I come outside of
the shot honey inside your boxis chaos.
Okay, let's be honest here Ilike how you did that.
Yeah, coming soon.
What is the time in your lifeyou would go back to?
And if you did, what would youdo differently?
Wouldn't?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I've had some amazing experiences.
Like you're on the red carpetfor the first time for a movie
that you worked on.
It's super cool, even thoughtechnically it is a work event.
And after you've done a hundredof them, you're like, oh, oh,
my god, not another thingtonight where I have to see the
same agents who are trying tosell me the same scripts and the
same actors who want to be inmy movie.
Like the first time it's cool.
When we sold the company, thatwas an amazing experience.
(15:01):
I was like I'm 28 28 I'm sobrilliant that I started a
company that someone's going tobuy us at a 6x multiple and I
got to run it for four years.
Like these guys trusted me todo that.
That was super cool.
But I'll tell you I don't have akid this november and like my
reality has already started tochange.
I'm also doing something withmy life like work-wise, where
I'm like this actually helps aton more people than the
(15:24):
wolverine, then transformers oneand two, then star trek, then
you know, go down any of themwith seven.
Like they're cool, people loveto talk about them.
But what I'm doing now, whenpeople actually like this guy
finished his dissertation.
He's like I credit it to yourflow state app.
I'm a he's an assistant viceprincipal at a high school in
missouri.
I saw him using this late atnight on weekends and one day
(15:47):
he's like you can call me drking.
He's like I have passed anddefended Dr King.
He's like I have passed anddefended my dissertation.
I he was working on a PhD inengineering.
That makes me super happy andlike I want to do the same thing
for my kid.
Be like what do you want?
How can I give you theconditions precedent to do what
you're capable of?
Go change the world, dude.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I love it.
That that's.
And your definition of successlike right when, way back when,
would have been.
You know, I want to get theoscar, I want even red carpet, I
want money and his life shiftsand you've defined it
differently for yourself.
And having a baby coming likeyou know, uh, you'll see, that
is the whole purpose of life.
You'll be like all right, youknow it's great.
You're in a spot where you canenjoy it, where many people,
(16:32):
myself included, you're doingthe hustle of corporate and
travel and you just miss so manymoments and it eats at you.
Take advantage of theopportunity, because that is the
one that you will remember.
You've got three kids, you know.
You have full dementia.
You'll remember most of that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Okay, I'm sure it's all coming, but yeah, it's going
to be great.
We'll try and relish eachmoment.
I wouldn't go back.
I really love Ram right now.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I love it.
Do what?
Uh, I'm going to go the otherway with this one.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
What's the worst business advice you've ever
received?
Oh, I've gotten a bar Oof.
Wow, I've got bad businessadvice.
And this is actually what Itell when I'm helping friends
with as much as people who maybewant to help you could be
investors, could be friends,could be advisors.
Give you advice because theywant to help you genuinely.
(17:23):
Don't listen to any of theiradvice unless they have done the
thing.
Everyone has an idea about howfood delivery, photo sharing
apps could be better, how thecar wash should work, Unless
they have built a car wash andsold it.
Don't listen, Just nod and belike okay, cool, that's a data
point.
But man, if you get talking toTony from DoorDash and he talks
(17:47):
to you about how it actuallywent down, listen.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's a really good advice, because I think there's
a lot of people who areintentionally trying to help you
.
Though your opinion isinteresting, it's irrelevant,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's like me talking to the pilot on the flight being
like, hey, man, you shouldreally do this.
When we bank into the airport,he's like okay, 14b, thanks Bye.
I'm going to sail the plane now.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
You want 11A.
That's the seat right.
That's the one survivor fromthe.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Air India one.
Good, Wow, nice data point yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
You know what?
What else do you know?
I'd say my data points areworthless and sometimes
inappropriate, and I say you'reright, all right, let's keep
moving forward just a little bit.
If there's one business bookyou've got to read, it's a must
Before you become anentrepreneur and even after.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Dude, I'm going to give you an answer.
No one has or will ever giveyou right, cause there are so
many good business books outthere about how to optimize your
funnel your branding, do youryou know cashflow, budgeting,
build your thing, validate yourmarket, like.
There are some really smartpeople way smarter than I that
have written about that.
I'm going to give you an answer.
There are some really smartpeople way smarter than I that
have written about that.
I'm going to give you an answeryou would never guess.
You'll never hear again.
There's a book called theLessons of History.
(19:07):
Okay, it is written by thismarried couple, will and Ariel
Durant, who spent their lifewriting the history of
civilization.
At the end of it this is like4,000 pages, 11 volumes you know
, huge tome.
Right, they were like what didwe learn about humans?
And they wrote this little book.
(19:29):
It's, I'm going to guess, maybe150 pages and it is the
distillate of a lifetimestudying humans.
You could take any chapter outof that and probably come up
with a fantastic business idea,because you'll go oh my God,
today we are matching thispattern.
What happened next?
And do that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Not to sound Armageddon or whatever, if
that's a word, but we are humansand we are from DNA which we
can be ourselves.
Most of us have been replicatedand unhatched.
Even those who've been hatchedhave been replicated.
But the idea is that we dorepeat history because we are
repeating who we are as aspecies.
Zingo and context changes, butthe primal natures and the
(20:15):
things we fall back to and wantneeds whatever Completely.
I believe we're in the roaring20s again complete.
I 100 agree with everythingyou're saying, which is shocking
to say I agree with you're thefirst and, but I do believe in
the future we we have tonavigate.
What happened after roaring 20s?
Um, we had some major wars.
We had a lot of you know,fallouts and markets.
(20:35):
We had a lot of stuff that'shappened and the antithesis for
that right now, I believe, willbe things like AI and other
technologies.
I don't know if you guys wereaware of this.
In Northern California not toolong ago, they may or may not
have produced a star for a fewmoments, which means in a fusion
reactor.
It's pretty cool, got moreenergy out than they put in that
.
Or mathematicians did the mathwrong, which probably is not the
(20:57):
case.
Maybe the coders did it wrongwhen they're coding, so that's
more likely.
But at the end of the day,that's a huge deal Because, by
the way, if you create too bigof a star, we're all over
instantly.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yes, you've seen like nuclear reactors that are being
shipped on the back of flatbedsLike it's a thing.
It's like, oh, that coal plantor even the windmill is solar,
whatever it is you hate.
I'm not going to take apolitical stance, but the fact
that we have nuclear react,nuclear reactors down to the
size you can stick them in an 18wheeler and deliver them,
(21:30):
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, I agree with you on this, though.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
So we're we're in a replicated mode, and I think
history rhymes and I offer youthis book as a business book
because, man, if you read that,then that you're going to go.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I see the cycles, I see the 150 page book, not the
55,000 page one don't read thelong one yeah, now what they did
is the guys.
They took an AI summary andsaid what do we do here?
And they did 150 pages and theyjust looked at each other under
deathbed and they're like wecould have done this in 150
pages.
We got that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I love you're so pro-AI.
You know this is.
I'm actually in bed right now.
This is an avatar.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You're laying flat.
He has no actual lower body.
Hey, there was a question Ishould have asked you today and
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You asked this question before, I think.
I think this is a.
This is the mystery question.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You only know it is if you come into the back of the
podcast or you listen to a show.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, I've listened.
I've done both.
Now actually I'm not sure Ifeel better for that, but I've
done both.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm not saying you've wasted a good time, but you
made our vanity metrics.
Folks, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
There you go, check, all right, what's the question.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I should have asked you how do?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
you answer it.
The question you should ask meis if I could go back in history
and change one thing, whatwould it be?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
That's my question list.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Thanks if I could go back to the Reagan era and imbue
everyone on earth with 5% moreempathy.
I would love to see how thatplayed out today.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I want you to know you're restricted from time
travel because you didn't goback on your own journey.
Therefore, you cannot go backon anybody else's.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
You're making up these rules, but I've already
gone to a parallel universewhere I make up the rules, so
did you want?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Forgot it Double, triple, stamped it right there.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, sorry, thor, whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think that was Jim Carrey and Jeff Bridges.
And Dumb and Dumber, you can'tdouble stamp.
A triple stamp.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Dude, it's Gwyneth in Sliding Door.
Choose what you want.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It is, it is, it is.
I can't hang a movie becauseyou're from that industry, so
I'm going to stop now.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
All right.
All the time, travel moviesbreak down into one of two
things the past was bad, can Igo back and fix it, or the
present is good.
Oh, oh shit, someone's gonna goback on the past.
I have to make sure I preservethe present.
So it's either like back to thefuture michael j fox's family
is screwed up and he's like if Igo to the past I can fix today,
(24:06):
or today's good and someone'sgonna break the past.
I have to go fix, save it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's every movie I like very much so, by the way,
the man and the high castle, theparallel universe that you're
like.
Hey, the idea with that waslike that's actually going on
now.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I love that movie.
That was like it took a littlewhile to get there, though.
Anyway, there you go.
Restock chance for everybodywho should get ahold of you, and
where's the one place theyshould go.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh, easiest thing is I'm in the group chat in Suka
every day.
So if you want to come meet awhole bunch of other productive
people and get inspired, dropinto thesukaco.
And man, if there's only onething you do do something with
your life, Don't waste it inFacebook, TikTok, Instagram,
(24:53):
Snap, Twitter, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Don't, yeah, Speaking of which guys follow us on
Twitter or?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Snapchat.
So, and while you're at it wasrepost this on LinkedIn and then
, if you could share it toTwitter.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I spoke LinkedIn as well.
Listen to his advice solidYouTube subscribe now.
Yeah, thank you for coming ontoday.
I appreciate it awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Okay, goodbye everyone.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Thank you for anybody made it, this point, the show.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Thank you so much for listening exactly are you going
to give them the lotterynumbers this week or no?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
no, no, it's next week.
Um, okay, I'll give it.
I'll give this week's numbersnext week, but I'm talking to
the audience here now.
So if you were here for thefirst time, I hope it's the
first of many.
If you've been here before, Ihope you.
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