From #1 in the World in Racquetball to Starting Over— Sudsy Monchik's Next Move

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Go.
Is it going?
Welcome to Cut the Tie.
Where we're all about.
We're all about the mission ofcutting the tie to whatever's
holding you back.
That is our mission to helpentrepreneurs get better at
entrepreneurship Actually,anyone really just get better to
become the best versions ofthemselves by cutting the tie to
anything that holds you back.
Today I'm joined by SudsyMonchick.
Sudsy, how are you?
I'm doing great, buddy.

(00:20):
Nice to see you.
You as well, man, it's alwaysfun to catch up with you For
everyone out there.
I've known Sudzy a long time,just from youth and racquetball.
I'm not going to do the intro,though.
I'm going to let you do it andwe'll see how braggy you get.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Then I'm going to support it behind it with
whatever you're listening to.
Go ahead and introduce yourself.
I don't like that.
I was energetic and confident,coming out of, obviously, new
York here.
So I'm Sudsy Munchik and I am aprofessional racquetball player
that has retired.
I have been doing it for manydecades, don't want to get into
that, and I had to figure out.

(01:01):
You know, what are we going todo after racquetball?
And thank God, you know, I sayit all the time Tom racquetball
and thank god, uh, you know Isay it all the time tom
racquetball has given me some ofthe greatest things in life,
but it's taken a little bit too.
So, uh, here I am, I'm on, cutthe tie and I don't like ties,
so thanks for making me not wearone the irony is that, um, I
never used to wear ties, even inmy work, but I wear them all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
now, cut for the purposes of metaphor, uh, you
know when, when you're in yourjourney, right as a professional
athlete, you you know, and, andracquetball is a beautiful
sport, people don't know it.
It's one of the dying sports,unfortunately.
I think in, and we're doingeverything we can out there, but
in your own professionaljourney, take me through like,
maybe, like as you wereprogressing from, like juniors
up, one of the biggest thingsyou had, like the tie you had to

(01:42):
cut like, what was the biggestthing you had to overcome
throughout that journey?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean, I started, you know I started
playing when I was seven yearsold and it's definitely a
journey and you're familiar withthat too which is awesome.
Obviously, you know you were agreat player and were in your
own right, no doubt about it.
So when I was about seven,eight years old, I was playing a
lot of racquetball.
I had won my first juniornationals when I was eight and

(02:11):
it was never about competing forme Like it wasn't about it, I'm
sorry.
It was never about the winningthe gold medal.
I enjoyed the competition.
I wanted to compete andracquetball.
What it did for me was it gaveme the ability to hold myself
accountable and responsible andput it on me and know that in my
journey, nobody's going to getin my way and I'm only going to

(02:33):
look at myself and figure thatout, and figure that shit out.
And I would say that you knowwhere I cut that was.
I was very athletic, you know Iwas 19 years old, dunking a
basketball and I could haveplayed a lot of team sports, but
I felt that when I wassurrounded by others that
couldn't perform to the levelthat I expected and I'm not

(02:56):
saying they had to be me, but Iwould look around and say are
you truly being the best versionof yourself?
Every single time we're atpractice or at a game or a
training or not, at any of thoseyou know, are you eating,
sleeping and is that driving?
It's a blessing and a curse.
It's good and bad, but you know, I hope that answers kind of
the question.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, it sounds like you had to choose between team
sport direction.
Because you are an amazingathlete, because you know, like
you know, because your speed andgift and just eye-hand
coordination, you could havepicked a lot of sports, like
baseball, anything, probably,and you have to pick the one
that fits you best.
Is that the tie?
Though You're like I had tochoose to be an individual sport
and not be part of this.

(03:37):
Was that the hardest tie to cutduring the whole journey, or
was that the first one?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
No, I think the hardest tie for me was probably,
you know, realizing that froman early age I wanted to be the
best player in the world or, atthe time, the best ever in
racquetball was the sport.
Whether I chose it or it choseme.
You know how I define athletesare it's how good can you
perform at any sport?

(04:03):
So actually not your sport.
So let's say I'm a racquetballplayer, you know, okay.
Well, what kind of athlete areyou?
Let's throw you in a basketballcourt Now.
Let's throw you in a tenniscourt.
Let's go run on a footballfield.
Let's go hit some baseballs andthrow some baseballs.
Let's go skate on a, you know,in a hockey rink.
To me, that's how I kind ofdefine an athlete, because
there's amazing athletes thatare are super specific, right,
like they do one thing athletespecific.

(04:25):
Nowadays we hear it all thetime we have kids.
I think it's awful, I thinkit's holding a lot of kids back
and I think it's really limitingtheir ability to see how good
they can be.
Um, so I would say that that wasdefinitely, you know, part of
it picking.
You know, was it going to be ateam sport?
Was it going to be anindividual sport, but I chose
racquetball.
Like I think that is cuttingthe tie.

(04:49):
I mean, you know, you just saidit, it wasn't a mainstream
sport, right?
So I had to make that decisionwhen I was younger, when all my
buddies who we were just as goodor not in whatever sport, there
was little league and football,and you know, jason Bonino and
I, by the way, played on thesame Peewee football team for a
year.
Um, you know, so that wasprobably the tie.
That I had to cut was liketelling all my buddies and tell

(05:09):
I'm going to go pick this, youknow, out of mainstream or
mainline sport.
And uh, that was.
That was tough.
In the beginning.
People were like, well, theywould actually say, oh, so
you're not an athlete, you knowthat was interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I tell people too, like you know, like what you're
describing, by the way, is thetie is not so much to picking
the sport it's.
It's not giving a shit anymorethat someone cares what you do
Like.
I don't care how you label me, Ilove the sport, I love the
people in it and love to play.
And you see this in businessand you have to just make the
decision of I mean like I'mgoing to just do this, I don't

(05:47):
care what you think, and thiswas happened.
People starts businesses Likepeople don't get it, people
don't understand why you'redoing what you're doing, cause
you could have done this.
What about that?
When you stop caring about whatpeople think about you and go
do what you know you're great ator want to, that's the tie that
you cut in that moment.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Um, you know, if you'redistracted by the noise, you
know we call it, I like to callit that or or.
There's always going to behaters, there's always going to
be supporters, but at the end ofthe day, it's it's you looking
into the mirror and saying isthis what I want?
Is this what I want to do?
What am I going to do everysecond of every day to make sure

(06:16):
that I attain those results?
Right, if I'm worried abouteveryone else's opinion or what
they're doing or what sport?
Why I didn't play baseball orbasketball or tennis?
I mean, I'm 10 years old and Ihad a tennis coach tell me well,
you got to pick racquetball ortennis.
I was doing pretty well, youknow both of them.
And people ask me all the timedon't you wish you picked tennis
?
And I'm like, no, not at all.
I mean, yeah, financially itmight've been a little different

(06:39):
, but again, the things thatI've I've lived or received or
got out of racquetball, I would.
I wouldn't change that for theworld.
I wouldn't mind changing thefinancial compensation for it,
but that's you know later in theconversation.
Um, so yeah, you know, it's it'sif you're going to, no matter
what if you're in business andyou're not focused on the task
at hand, you're never going tobe able to reach that.

(07:00):
You know the top of themountain, the top of the peak,
and I think that that's, that'simportant it's.
It's something that people tome, they're just afraid to do it
.
You know it's.
It's the fear of the unknown.
Like I'm going to go, I'm goingto go down this, this alley
right here, you coming with meor not, like that's what being
an individual athlete does.
It's I'm going.
I don't know if you're lookingat your business, career or life

(07:30):
or doing a podcast, whatever itis like, don't worry about
anything else and it will allwork out if you are truly giving
, giving it your all.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
What are the lessons there?
That I think is important and Ilike extrapolating sports, for
you know cause, being a toprated sports person, if you make
money or don't make it, mostpeople make money after they
stay in it.
But it's the same principlesthat go to being an entrepreneur
or business, because you justdescribed something very
important and this happens a lotof entrepreneurs the
entrepreneurial ADD, which is abenefit in sports, because you

(07:54):
get the sampling and you getmore coordination.
You also land in what you love,versus wishing I could have
been or should have beensomething else, which I think is
what you described as missing.
But that sampling also createsnoise and distraction from what
you could be great at.
And if you had focused both ontennis and racquetball and
summer baseball, you would nothave been as great as you were
because you would not have wonas many like people would have

(08:15):
caught you from your naturalability because you were a
hundred percent focused onsomething, not knowing if it was
going to work or not.
You just loved what you weredoing.
You were successful, probablybecause you had talent plus that
.
Is that a fair statement?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, very fair.
I think we're all gifted withsomething, whether it's in life
or in sport.
It's finding it and thenmaximizing it.
In my case, I was absolutelytouched or gifted by someone or
a higher power and said, hey,you could be great at this.
If you give it your all andfocus and go do that and I think
a lot of people don't do that,you know you spread yourself too

(08:48):
thin, right?
We hear that all the time.
It's good to be versed indifferent things, especially,
you know, in sport.
Again, I always say life issport, sport is life.
Failures, successes, you knowthe ups, the downs, the highs,
the lows, the wins, the losses,the adversities, right, like,

(09:09):
you know, one of the thingsthat's funny, I talk about a lot
in coaching when I am coachingand now in my new position in
life.
You know I'm kind of a coach,you know, but I'm also putting
out fires.
I'm a problem solver, and sportthat's what we're doing.
We're solving problems.
It's you always we're we're.
It's you know we look at.
I always look at both, right,tom, I look at what's worst case

(09:31):
scenario, what's best casescenario.
Usually it falls somewhere inthe middle.
Okay, uh, but you're not goingto surprise me if it's the
bottom or the top, and I'm notgoing to be satisfied one way or
the other.
Uh, you know, so it's.
It's, but it's good and bad,you know, and it really is.
It'll keep me driven.
It'll hopefully get everybodyaround me to be better at what
they do, whether it's sport orwhether it's business life.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah Well, another tie that I know you have is you
said you're retired and youmoved on to it's Frank hotels as
you're the chief operatingofficer for them, and you got
that position because of yourfor racquetball and the
relationships you developed andI think the takeaway that I've
seen in your career and I'vestalked you from afar when we

(10:13):
were as we've grown up, you'renot the only one.
You have way better stalkersMine was at least positive,
occasional smart-ass comment.
What I've seen is that you'vemaximized opportunity and people
don't know racquetball doesn'tpay a lot.
Maybe you can tell in a bestyear playing what was your best

(10:33):
earnings in a year ofracquetball.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, I mean hustling my ass off years and years and
years ago, when I was number onein the world, winning
everything in sight, doingappearances, doing clinics,
doing exhibitions, you know,could I make six figures?
Absolutely Did I, sure.
But what does that do?
Pay the bills?
I mean, yeah, was there a timeto you know, maybe I could have
saved a little more or didthings different, but you know,
you're 19, 20, 21.
What do you know?
Right, you think it's justnever ending monopoly money.

(11:00):
And, yeah, racquetball doesn'tget, it doesn't compensate their
athletes.
But let's be honest, it's abusiness.
We know numbers, statistically,you know if people aren't
watching it, if it's not gettingmulti-millions of views on TV
and the big sponsors aren'tcoming in, it is what it is.
We, as racquetball playersprofessionals, uh, amateurs we
know what it is right, it's, weknow what it's going to pay,
what it's not.
Uh, so, yeah, I mean, I had tofigure out how to parlay, uh,

(11:26):
what racquetball has done for me.
And I say this all the time,tom, the best thing racquetball
gave me, it wasn't the money, itwasn't the titles, it wasn't
the mini fame, it wasn't, uh,you know some of the other
things.
It was, it was.
It was the relationships,absolutely, it was the people.
It was the people, like theowner and founder of Frank

(11:47):
hotels, my wife, right?
I mean, she's a racquetballplayer, she's the most decorated
player in the history ofEcuador, she's a professional.
You know, we have two beautifulkids and you know.
So the relationships.
And I think, I think, thatthat's something that people
miss on a day-to-day basis too.
They're so focused on maybebottom line or numbers or
statistics, right Whereas don'tlose sight of the people you're

(12:11):
speaking with or you're textingwith or you're talking to,
because that person, as long asyou can deliver, can absolutely
change your life.
And if you miss that opportunity, well, that's on you, but know
that that's, they're alwaysthere.
You know, we go to the coffeeshop, we go to get gas, I go
grocery shop and there's usuallyan opportunity.

(12:32):
Now I may utilize thatopportunity differently.
You know, the other day Iwalked into the bank and I had
to give a, I had to do somethingat the bank, and they were
talking about going away andtraveling and I said, oh well,
guess what you can go to.
They were talking about goingaway and traveling and I said,
oh well, guess what you can goto.
You know Frank Hotels and usepromo code Sudsy and get a
discount.
And well, there's anopportunity.
We just maybe created alifelong customer.

(12:52):
You know and customers and youknow when that goes.
If you're looking for a newcareer, there's always an
opportunity you never know.
Some are better than others atidentifying it.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
But, yeah, racquetball has absolutely given
me the best relationships inlife that are there forever,
right, and I think part of theperspective from growing up and
anybody in sport probably getsthis but a lot of us were
teenagers that parents couldn't,we were all over the country
every weekend playing.
So we all got to know eachother on a hey I'll see you in a
month, very acquaintance kindof base.
They're fun, competitive, buteveryone kind of got along Right
and you learn how to kind oftalk, trash and have fun.
But you learn to grow up prettyquickly when you're playing

(13:27):
these sports.
You're traveling, you're seeingthe world, but you also realize
that, hey, you got to kind of goback and go do something and
come back next time and not suckor improve and and you learn
how to, in your own way, grow upand go do that and and I think
it just in business, like as youinteract with people and you
build this network, how youbehave and the relationships you
do in your youth, your middleage, wherever else they carry

(13:50):
with you, and so I think, beingconscious of, hey, you know, if
you were an absolute ass, youwould not have the opportunity
to have, no matter how good youare at a sport, you would be
really hurting.
And there's people that are insport that were like they were
like, oh my God, I never want totalk to that guy.
And there's people that are inthe sport that were like they
were like, oh my God, I neverwant to talk to that guy.
And I think the thing I seefrom you is specifically, and I
think anybody can take away of,is just behave with some kind of

(14:10):
grace, elegance and respect andhonor, because those
relationships are what matter atthe end of the day.
Obviously, if you make millionsand millions, sure, but the
most people don't aren't in thatposition.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And sometimes it's a learning process.
I've absolutely had my ownpersonal ups and downs too.
There's no doubt.
You know you're not alwaysgoing to be 100% out of the gate
, right, we're not going toshoot.
You know, 18 under par everytime we go out on the golf
course.
So you're going to makemistakes and have those
obstacles and there's no doubtand I'm guilty, we're probably
all guilty of the same, you know.
But you learn from those.

(14:41):
It's what you do with that.
And today, nowadays I meanimagine talking about younger
kids with social media.
Listen, it is what.
It is right.
They're going to do it.
They're going to make mistakes.
You hope they make lessmistakes and not as grave.
As a parent, that's what youwant.
You want the best version ofyou for them to be better at and
none of the bad.
Uh, and you know, when I'mcoaching or training, I say this

(15:03):
all the time.
This is in life and businessand sport.
I'm like tom, I'm no betterthan you.
It's it's I just.
Am I allowed to curse and cutthe time?
You know, it's kind of a newyork thing, sorry it just it
there's a lot of research behindit.
Actually, that it that is goodtoo, but it's like you know.
You have to see, I lost mytrain of thought.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
You just that's the add in all of us, right right, I
have no chance to get you backon track either.
Just to be clear.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Thank you.
Yeah, I'll get back to it.
We'll.
We'll come back to it anyway.
Yeah, no, that that's.
Yeah, I know you're not, but,uh, you know I'm not smarter.
This is what I was gonna say.
I'm not smarter than you.
Uh, I just fucked up more Right, and and I figured out how to
get better.
And that's a direct correlationto sport too.
Tom, I'm not a better.
You can say I'm a betterracquetball player, or I might

(15:52):
beat you, but here's why I'mtelling you, or suggesting you
do this, because I've messed updoing that.
Uh, you know.
So you know that's part of thecoaching.
I love that.
I love helping maximize peopleto become the best version of
them.
And, you know, Racquetballdefinitely gave me the ability
to do that with a little bit ofmy personality, my upbringing,

(16:15):
how I grew up, and probablymessing up a lot, and then being
able to fix it and redirect and, you know, realign, but at the
end of the day, we all could dothat.
It's like how you know, ifyou're watching this, are you
doing everything in your powerto maximize whatever situation
you're in and be the absolutebest version.
And oh, by the way, here's theblessing and the curse, because

(16:35):
guys like me, when I think I'mat my best, I think there's
better.
Yeah, I can.
I can be better.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So talk about this kind of moment, the moment when
you knew you were going toretire for real.
Not the first one, but becauseyou came back and you got in
shape.
You lost about 7,000 pounds andyou came back.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, I was not skinny or fit.
I'm truly done.
Yeah, I lost no-transcript andsucked out all of my competitive
drive.
The dog we all have a dog.
We don't all have a dog.
We may, but some dogs aredifferent.

(17:15):
And it's a cliche saying butit's very accurate in life, you
know, like somebody put a bigsyringe in me and just sucked
out the fight and I didn't have,I couldn't tap into that dark
darkness where I got to gosometimes to get out of that
hole or that well, and I don'tknow where it went.
I think it could have been withthe birth of my kids, you know,

(17:39):
and it just wasn't there asmuch as I tried to find it the
only time I could find it.
And then I would find myselfputting myself in positions
outside the court to test myself.
It might be a little example ofwhat that would be being
confrontational overlyunnecessarily with a stranger,

(18:01):
um to kind of see the reaction.
Not you know and and and andand it's understand.
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not saying it's a goodthing, no-transcript, just the

(18:39):
fight.
It was the fight, but then oneday, almost like, almost like,
vividly, like, just suck, I justfelt like I don't want to do it
anymore.
I don't want to fight, I don'twant to go tap into that dark
side, you know, and I'm not aUFC fighter, but I would gladly
jump in there and get the shitkicked out of me and choked out
because I just liked thecompetition, you know.
Um, so I think that wasprobably and if you're asking

(19:02):
for a specific day, it was abuildup and I started to feel it
.
And then what happened was andthis is, you know, probably
hopefully good for yourlisteners too.
Now I'm a shell of myself, andnow you know somebody's watching
me a fan or an audience, or akid, even worse and they're
supposed to see this great SudsyMunchik and what is he going to
do?
On the racquetball court?
And, granted, physically Icould still do it, but I didn't

(19:26):
even want to be there.
So now imagine going to work,and now I know I'm talking to a
larger audience on this one andyou just don't want to be there.
There's no way you're going tobe able to perform, to, to, to
and listen.
We got to pay the bills, right,Like there's.
There's things you got to do,and but you know.
So that was for me when Irealized I'm not doing this

(19:46):
anymore, I'm, I'm done Like.
I have more fun now on aracquetball court than I ever
did up until that retirementpoint, because up until that
retirement point I just want tobe the, I want it to be the best
and know how good I can be.
And then I knew I wasn't ableto go do that Right.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
And then it goes right.
I know I know the feelingyou're talking about.
I actually mine was a slightlydifferent.
I wasn't to your level.
But a big part for for me inracquetball at least, was I
enjoyed the people and makingpeople laugh and having fun.
And yeah, I was, you're greatat it.
But if I had gotten serious,like of like I didn't have that

(20:24):
fire drive to, like like Iwasn't even there for the
competition, I was there to havefun and make friends, um, and
it ties maybe some stuff, mychildhood like, kind of like
feeling disconnected, but Ididn't realize that till older.
Like I really just enjoyed thepeople, um, and I got a win
occasion that was kind of fun inthe mini, kind of fame, local
or regional or whatever.
You kind of get out of that um,and but now when I go back and I
started playing about a yearago and I'll play with these

(20:45):
guys that aren't very good andsome are pretty good, they're
like, they're open but, like youknow, but they weren't to the
level that you know and I'mcoming back, I've not played for
15 years and occasionallysomeone will say something or
they'll trash talk and just getunder my skin just enough.
Or I'm like my next shot'sgonna go so fast underneath your
feet that you're gonna regretthinking that you said that and
you'll do that.
And they'll be like like you'llhit a backhand, like I've never

(21:08):
seen anyone hit a backhand thathard.
I'm like it's because you justdon't know what's in there.
Like usually, it'll come backand you're like all right, I
don't want to do that becauseI'm getting pissed, because you
get angry and you get into itand you're like but then you're
like I can't sustain this.
This is because now I can seethem getting more irritated by
change and I'm like I'm therefor that relationship right now,

(21:30):
not to beat the shit out of youguys, cause I can and and and.
So you're, you're, you're.
I mean like that motivationgoes.
And I think that the lesson inthe tie, so to speak, is you got
to accept where you are kind ofin your life and what you want
out of it.
No-transcript, you're probablyjust pissed.

(21:59):
I'm not that guy anymore and Idon't know what's who I'm gonna
be well, well and.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
But then sometimes I want to see who I am.
What's in there, you know are.
Is that still there?
And yeah, to your point, it is.
It's more fun now for mebecause I take that and plus I'm
in a no win situation, right,like in racquetball.
Even if I get on the court nowat 50, everyone's like, oh my
God, you should win and beateverybody and be the best player
in the world.
I'm like now, here's theproblem, right, but could I?

(22:27):
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Are you going to die for?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
that shot now.
No, no-transcript, that's whatI miss the most.

(22:58):
That, um, and I could say forme personally, the, the, yes,
the, the competitiveness of mybusiness role now and, and what
my job is and what I need to do.
Of my business role now and andwhat my job is and what I need
to do, you know, to make thiscompany a success absolutely
comes from, you know, my sportbackground.
But there's there's nothinglike that fight, you know, like

(23:21):
the closest thing to it is let'sgo walk down the street and
just pick a fight.
You know, let's see you knowthat competitiveness you know I
try to avoid that.
You know I don't want any partof that, you know.
But um, so yeah, that that youhave to have that though, and
that kind of goes back to thedog, and if you're sitting
behind that microphone or youhave the dog in you, like you
want to go make it happen andmake it work, and you have to do

(23:42):
.
It's on you, to everything inyour power, every second of
every day, every decision to bebetter at that, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah, your response.
So you're, um, I listen and Igive advice to anyone on this.
The way you'll be successfuland why people do success is
there's like the Venn diagram ofyou have a passion for
something, you can perform in itand you can have some kind of
you know um impact on somebody,meaning or you can make money,
like there's impact is money,it's it's, it's it's helping
people, whatever it is.
If you have that passion andyou have the ability to perform

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and there's a market to impact,that's where you focus your time
.
Now, the example being rackball, the impact's small because
it's a small market and so youcouldn't make much to do it.
You know, if, if it was thebaseball size and you're, or
whatever it is, and it was oneof those like worldwide sports
and you're number one, millionsfollow.
You're never getting out of itand you're probably never
quitting because there's alwaysmoney for appearances and at

(24:31):
some point you can't pay billswith it because you can't
sustain it.
It's just out and in thebusiness you're in, it's like a
lot of business.
It's a shrinking market,there's no money in it and
there's less money going into itand it's like I have to go do
something else but you use as aspringboard to go do it, and I

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think I'll give you theshameless plug at the end of
what you're doing Frank hotels.
We'll get to that, guys.
We'll get to where, how you getto, like a suds code, but I
think that's the the.
The lesson here is eitheryou're a professional athlete or
you're you're just doing yourown business.
You have to realize where youare.
You have to understand whatties you needed to cut to kind
of get there and where you arereality wise, and so I applaud
you for taking the step and youput your.
It sounds like what you've done, instead of putting you first

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and you're you're you've putyour family first.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I had to.
Yeah, and it could be humblingTom, it's hard like, no matter
what you're doing especially youlook at the studies on
professional athletes, any sport.
you know this is what I've beendoing my entire life, right,
like I was gifted with thisracket in my hand and somebody
said, okay, go see how good youcan be at it.
And in my world or my eyes orfans, or statistically, you

(25:37):
might say, well, I dideverything I possibly could life
and it has created really,really good opportunities.
But I can tell you that it'snot easy to cut the tie and I
think that you know really it'sfunny that we've gotten to this

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and this wasn't set up like this.
Like my biggest life, cuttingthe tie was probably realizing
racquetball is not going to doit anymore.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
And you probably realized that long before you
retired, though.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
You do and, and that's the hardest part, like
the scariest part for me, or themost challenging, intimidating
thing, was to cut the tie andguess what?
You know, you look at this howironic the tie was.
Probably racquetball now, youknow, for me in life, and um,
it's trying to lead you there.
It's difficult and I did, Imaximized it, I worked my ass

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off to to your point about thesmall market, with the coaching,
with the clinic, with theappearances, with the
exhibitions, with you know, um,and all those things.
And, yes, my resume helped, nodoubt, cause I had somebody say
that to me once.
They're like, well, you canmake this much still because of
your resume.
And I'm like, well, that's notmy fault, I'm still working my
ass off trying to.
It's not like, you know, peoplearen't banging the door down
Now could I still useracquetball as my main source of

(26:57):
revenue?
Likely, but you can argue thatit is because of the
relationship I built you knowout of racquetball.
So yeah, I'm I'm not thegreatest player in the world
anymore.
Nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's not about me and I think the other thing you
realize that, yeah, jets andmoney, they aren't the metric
that mattered.
100 relationships with yourfamily, your friends, um, you
know I've stayed in touch overyears and it's like you have
these relations.
You know you can come toatlanta, but hey, do you want to
get caught?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm there, I'm going it's like we've seen each other
every day for the last 20 years.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It wouldn't right, because that's well.
That's also how we grew up,like hey, haven't seen you yet.
But the the point I think withwith it is uh, no matter what
you're doing, do the best youcan get the most out of it, and
at some point it's okay to moveon, it's okay to say I've had
enough.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, I got, yeah, I got to touch on that.
So I'll tell you a quick story.
I was at a tournament.
This is, this is actuallyeyeopening.
It's okay In case I forget.
Great song by uh, what was hernightbird?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Go Google it, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Jam covered it.
Okay, so I'm at a tournamentI'll say the people's names
because you'll probably knowboth of them and I am Mike
Cerise, here from Canada, who isa Canadian champion, one of the
most decorated players, hall ofFamer of one of the best women
to ever play.
We were at the U S open forracquetball, which is the
biggest tournament of the year,and I had won it four times at
the time was the most ever, butI was already.
I had that checkout moment,right, like we talked about,
like I was.
That drive was sucked out of mealready and there was a few

(28:44):
events in a row that I was justkind of a shell of myself.
Even if I won it, you couldjust tell it wasn't me, I wasn't
fully into it, I wasn't all youknow, all in and um, I'll never
forget this moment.
Mike Sericio, who wasn't a dear,close friend of mine, he was a
good acquaintance Um, maybe hejust heard me like how I was
talking about the tournament orthe or the, or watching me, even

(29:06):
like the energy I was or wasnot putting into it, and he
looked at me and he goes, justlike this, what you just said,
he goes, hey, and he called me She didn't say Sudsy, he goes, s
, it's okay, he goes.
I said and like I looked, I'mlike, what do you mean?
He goes, it's okay.
If you want to go, like, ifyou're done, it's okay.

(29:27):
I was 29 years and when he saidthat and it's not the person I
would have expected that to comefrom right A mother a father, a
best friend, you know and itjust really resonated, tom, I
was like I felt better in thatmoment because of the amount of
pressure that I was feeling bynot knowing that I wasn't all me

(29:50):
at Deep Events anymore.
And there was a ton of pressurebeing sudsy.
You know as small as our ton ofpressure being sudsy.
You know as small as our marketis.
There just is, you know, in ourlittle world.
And he just looked at me andthose were his exact words it's
okay, and that's what his okaywas cut the tie.
It's okay If you want to go,cause you're not who you are,
you're not being who you areevery day at the office.

(30:12):
You know, my office was thecourt.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I find so much parallel in sport to business.
And you know, even in my ownjourney of business here I look
at stuff where we've built agood business and I'm like, do I
want to do that?
Like I'm almost 50.
And I'm like I don't want to bedoing this 10 years from now.
I don't want to be that.
So I'm taking the steps now tosay I already know I'm going to
cut the tie on this, so I mightas well get something in a
position that becomes it.
Um, I think in any athlete, anybusiness, you have these

(30:39):
moments when you realize I'mgoing to need to make a change.
And if you don't prepare for it, that's when you're screwed.
If you waited so I'm going topush this in a knee injury and
you never developed therelationships, you never had the
conversation with those youtrusted, you'd be screwed and be
really low.
And I'm sure you retired for alittle while in your thirties,
right, and you hit a low.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I pushed it too long.
I pushed it too long.
Yes, there's no doubt I pushedit too long and if it's any
advice I can give to anyonethat's younger than us, but it's
not that easy to recognize.
You think it's going tocontinue?
You just do, you're going tofigure, I'm going to figure it
out, I'm going to figure it out.
Right, and I got into a fewbusinesses and those failed
because the problem was, when Idid that now, I wasn't who I

(31:21):
truly felt I was right, I wasn'tall in, I wasn't ready to cut
the tie, so those businessesweren't as good as I'm going to
use that all the time now.
Sorry, buddy, I wasn't.
I wasn't, as I wasn't the bestversion of myself because I was
doing things that I truly wasn'thappy doing.
Okay, so to your point, Irecognized, a little later than

(31:47):
I should have, and, thank God,veronica, my wife.
She showed me exactly where Iwas supposed to be and then,
from there, work it out, nowknowing what I knew.
So, racquetball she brought meback to racquetball, all in, I
went through a dark time.
I wanted nothing to do with it.
The people the sport didn'twant to see it, didn't want to
hear it.
Veronica brought me back inline and then from there, the

(32:12):
best things in my life havehappened over the last 10 years,
and that's a little later thanmaybe what we'd like, but thank
god it happened.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know, or thanks, veronica I'll tell you what I
remember.
Uh, I, I like I said I, I saythis wasn't your level.
I remember being at collegenationals.
Uh, my junior year I built theteam at iu.
Uh, iu, brian Simpson had won.
That year.
I wasn't even the best playeron the team.
I was the only guy in thattournament who could beat Brian
Simpson.
He ended up winning, beatingEric Mueller those not listening
, it's okay, you just look it up.

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That's my boy.
But the point being is, Brianbeat him.
I played with Brian almostevery day at IU and I was
probably the only guy in thattournament who could how to beat
him sure, and I rememberplaying javier moreno.
I still send javier and he'sthe fastest human.
You and jason, you knowprobably two fastest.
He is the fastest human I'veever played.
Gets a lot of balls he does.

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I aced him 28 aces in two gamesand lost 15 14 really, now you
know I could hit.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I would love, oh yeah , you smash it.
I would love to see that video.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I would not because I people are like just I could
not.
My mind was so gone, I couldn'trally, I didn't want to be
there, I didn't want to haveanything with rack.
I was like I'm just going tosmash the shit out of this ball
and try to beat him with aces.
And I ended up losing and I wasso mentally broken already in
that match All he had to do isreturn it and I had no idea what

(33:38):
I was going to do.
And I was like, and I rememberthinking like I just want to be
out of this sport completelybecause, like he was starting to
get towards graduation.
I was like I already know I'mnot going to play.
I put so much time and effortin this and it was so like and
and it's so deflating that yougot to be there and be that and
I and I can't imagine thepressures you're on, because I
was, mine weren't even on thesame level but I remember
thinking I just want to get donewith this, I just want to leave
.
And I left it for like 20 years.
After that I didn't play.

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After that I was like I'm justso done with it.
It was just like and and andand I don't regret not playing,
but I remember regretting beingin it when I didn't want to be.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And that and that's it.
That's you know, that's thetakeaway.
Like when you're the takeaway,like when you're, no matter what
you're doing.
If you're listening to this andyou're in something that you
don't want to be, I don't wantto say you'll regret it, cause
that's a tough one, like I thinkyou can learn from it Right and
get better.
And yeah, I mean we can say oh,I would always say I wish I
didn't verse, I wish I did.

(34:29):
You know, I wish I would have,or I wish I didn't do that.
Right, I certainly have livedthat side.
I wish I didn't do this versus.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Oh, I wish I would have said hey, I'm going to play
this tournament and be done,versus being in that tournament
going.
I wish I wasn't here, I think Iregret more than.
I wish I had.
I'm going to make this mygreatest one and I'm going to
find a way to beat this guybecause I can.
I mean he cannot return myserver.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I get it in and you probably could today, if you
could go back right now withthat knowledge I can definitely
beat him now.
I see he's fat he might be slowyou, yeah, well, we all got
love the air.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I hope you're fantastic.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Look at you now let's send that to hobby.
Hobby's me at a mono, but hobbyI don't.
So here's the thing with javierand I.
Who's got a bigger head, me orjavier?

Speaker 1 (35:12):
those are big noggins , dude well, big braces, or or
no?
No actual physical his head'sway bigger than a pumpkin it's a
bobblehead.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's a beautiful thing, isn't it just?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
kind of hobby.
I hope you watch this.
This is for you, I wanteveryone to know.
By the way, this is our lastthe subject we've moved to a 15
minute format.
This is our last long forminterview I'm ever going to go
do for a while you're it, I'mgoing to put you as the last one
Well then you got to get me onthe short term.
I'll get you the short onewe're going to have to just be
more focused.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Too much fun.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I do want to do some rapid fire questions with you,
but before we do sum up yourcareer where you are today and
distill it down to one piece ofadvice.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's been quite the journey.
There's been a lot of ups anddowns.
All the things while it'shappening in the moment probably
aren't as important as what ishappening outside, those moments
that you're experiencing.
Somebody's always watching andjust know that there's an

(36:25):
opportunity every second ofevery day.
You might not always see it,but if you're aware of it you
might be able to maximize it andit might either come back
around or might be slammed rightin your face.
So pay attention to that, Iwould say.
Somebody's always watching.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And that's both a positive and a negative.
Just know that someone's alwaysand it could be like someone's
keeping an eye on you for goodor eye on you for bad- they're
watching and then it's up to youwhat are they seeing, how are
you performing, how are youresponding?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And and also, it could be in a in a bad way, they
may see it.
They may see a positive in thatright, like as a leader today,
for for the business I'm in,it's my job, tom, to find how to
maximize each person.
Each person has something theycan get, but it doesn't mean
maybe you're not the fastest guyin the room but you're the
smartest.
Maybe you're not the strongestbut you're the tallest, and

(37:23):
somebody's always watching.
And you know, my career has beenit's racquetball has given me
the greatest things in life.
But it's taken from me also andit took me some time to figure
out how to maximize that, how tobe the best version of myself.
You know, if I could say Icould go back and maybe minimize
some of the mistakes or thingsthat I did in life, I absolutely
would.
But I think I'm hoping that'sthe person that I try to be just

(37:45):
be a good person and realize,yeah, you know, never did
anything with malicious intentor bad decisions, just always
thinking I'll figure it out.
Right, like that.
That's a little bit ADD tooright, like that's a problem,
self-diagnosed ADD.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
No, I'm formally diagnosed.
I took it this year.
Actually, every year I cut atie.
I stopped drinking 18 monthsago completely.
I started doing a little bit offaith journey.
I'm not going to sell Biblesanytime soon and this year'm
doing adult adhd well pay.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Let's talk about that uh, we should do.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
We'll take it offline because I'm early in the
journey.
Last year was also fitness, soevery every morning at 8 am I
work out.
Now, no matter what the day butdid they?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
but did the doctor tell you about add and adhd?
I had this from aworld-renowned psychologist or
psychiatrist, whichever it is.
They said they told me that alot of super hyper successful
people have it.
And they said the we have theability to hyper focus.
Have you heard that term?
Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, youknow all about it.
So racquetball, imagine that Ineed to be.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's the best ADHD sport and you know it's fast.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
It's immediately rewarding 10 seconds right, 10
second rallies.
Okay, that's over.
Go be the.
It's like a goldfish almost.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
So it's the perfect ADHD sport.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Whereas golf I can go fire a 77, but I might fire a
90, because I'm just I'm playingthat whole intent.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
A whole 12 for an ADHD.
Get me off this horse playingthat whole intent for an 88.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I did a funny quick storyBowling.
We're at a bowling tournamentwith Doug Gannon.
You remember Doug Doug's bigguy, tom Tom knows who he is.
And uh, it's, it's a party,it's a sponsor party and I'm
literally messing around,talking, having fun, throwing.
I throw like a 90, right, hesays to me he goes, oh my God,
you're terrible.
I said like he touched thatbutton.

(39:37):
Right, I said what do you wantto play for?
I literally just rolled a 90.
And you know, but we're talking, we're laughing, we're drinking
, we're entertaining, and hegoes.
Are you kidding me?
I go a hundred bucks, now hehad just pulled like a 150.
He goes, he goes absolutely.
Shane Vanderson's there,there's a bunch of racquetball
players there.
Yeah, I think I.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I don't think I bowled a 225 because I just lock
it in it's over.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I just went like that that was it and and he's like,
and the whole time he's got thatsame reaction.
He's looking at me going you'rea sick, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Like he's like what is wrong with you?
You guys don't know.
D Doug was a very goodprofessional player.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
But anyway, ADD is not so bad if you know how to
control it.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, and it's not, and what I describe it as and
this is what my problem was withit is I can run a marathon as
fast or faster than anyone.
I can't finish the last mile,and so it's like.
And so what I found was I haveteams that outsource, do all my
stuff that I can't finish.
I'm going to go deeper intothat last mile as I can and then

(40:40):
still enable those around me togo even faster, so that my goal
is to get the last.
I'm not looking for a 50%, I'mlooking for a 10% improvement
maybe of my execution.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's a good leader, though.
That's great that you recognizethat I'm trying to do the same,
you know, and you know, justpull it all, ring it all in.
You know, I got because I likedthe chaos.
I'm more comfortable with thechaos.
Yes, yes, you know, give me onespecific task and it's like oh,
this is boring, this is easy,right, it's like, but is it?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Well, you know, it's funny, the task.
Uh, as I've gotten calmer in mylife, uh, as I've gotten calmer
in my life, I've gotten waybetter at golf.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I'll play like once every six months.
Still go out there and break80s.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Speed golf I was playing nine holes in 40 minutes
.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, but you know what?
You probably shoot your bestwhen there's no one out there.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, I did okay.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, because you're distracting, Exactly.
So I think the lesson andadvice I'm going to come back to
that just because I'm surethey'll get edited down maybe a
little bit here, but if not,people are always watching, uh,
and not that that's important,but just be conscious, I think,
of where you are and what you're, not in a vacuum.
Your words, your actions, yourwhatever you do has impact and

(41:53):
it's going to help you or hurtyou.
So just be aware of that whenyou're out there.
I think that's the biggestpiece is just being conscious in
a situational awareness ofwhat's going on.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yes, yep For sure.
Great way to say it.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
All right, here's, here's the quick fire.
Go for it.
Yep, you get one, you get.
These are quick fire.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Oh, they want to quite like.
Do I get a full sentence?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
answer.
You can pass and maybe he'llget it, or you know you're going
to roll it out.
You're going for roll out here,okay, all right.
Who gives you inspiration andwhy?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I hate the cliche of this my wife and kids, because
they drive me and motivate meevery day to take care of them
and do the best I absolutely canfor them.
So I am inspired by them to bethe best version of myself and
our family I can every day.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Do your kids know?
Do they look at you and go likeyou know daddy, like you were
good at anything?

Speaker 2 (42:45):
No, five and seven, no, five and seven.
And we try to keep it real andkeep it humble.
And you know we let them figureit out and we don't.
You know we don't talk aboutthat stuff and you know it is
what it is, they're only fiveand seven.
So you know, um, and I thinkwhen your daddy, no matter who
you are, if you're, you knowMichael Jordan or Tiger Woods or
Michael Phelps I think yourdaddy and that's the key thing,

(43:07):
like I don't want to be sudsymuncher, I want to be daddy.
Daddy, I love it the bestbusiness advice I've ever seen
received man could be.
If somebody said this to mespecifically as a partner and I

(43:32):
to this day I love it.
If there were 10 of you or 20,or 50, or 100, depending on the
size of your business, what goodwould you be?
And uh, the the scenario was Iwas kind of a bitching a little
bit about a about somebusinesses I was in.
We had about 20 employees and Iwas kind of running it all and

(43:55):
uh, my business partner I had uh, I was just bitching, just
smiling like this.
This is looking at me as I'mgoing and I'm not a complainer,
right Cause I want everybody tobe to my level or better.
Like nothing makes me happiernow, tom, then getting somebody
that results they want.
And if you do, I don't go likethis to myself.

(44:17):
I actually I'm harder on myselfif I'm helping you and you
don't get there.
But when you do, I look at youand say it to you and I'm just
kind of like rough morning,rough day.
And he looked at me and he saidhey, sudsy, if there were 20 of
you, what good would you be?
That's what he said and itreally hit home.
I was like thank you, that wasthat was.

(44:38):
That was solid advice.
Yeah, what's like thank you,that was solid advice, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
What's one book you've read that you just think
is a must read?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Oh, my goodness, I mean, am I allowed to look?
I mean, honestly, the Art ofWar, the Way I'm Wired, the Way
I'm?
Yeah, now, regardless of whatyou think of Lance Armstrong and
his history it's not about thebike was spectacular, his
journey and fight through cancer.
I really really a lot what I dowhen I read.

(45:08):
I'm looking this way to see ifI have something I could show
you.
I don't, because what I do is Ilike to highlight things I can
relate to, so or or, or,actually or, actually use, and
then, you know, use in life orin business.
Art of War, for me, is one of myfavorites.
You know I like a lot of thatmental health stuff.

(45:31):
Also, though, journeys andfights and wins and battles, and
you know I have Americanphilosophy sitting on my
nightstand for probably fiveyears and maybe read a couple of
chapters ADD, so that justwasn't my vibe.
I think you know, reading ADDis tough, right, like I can read
a few lines, and if it's like,trust me, if you want to read a
good book, ask someone that hasADD or ADHD and ask them what

(45:54):
book they've read, cover fromstart to finish, go read it,
would you agree, tom?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I would.
What helps you through that, bythe way, is listening to the
book and reading it at the sametime.
Your retention on it issignificantly higher.
I do like Lance Armstrong.
One Side note on LanceArmstrong I would say their
whole sport cheats at everylevel.
He was still the best at doingit.
And I go look at football.
They use steroids.

(46:20):
I just like you Listen.
In racquetball, that's notdoing it.
And I go up look at footballother they use their steroids.
Like, yeah, I just like youlisten.
If in racquetball just I'mgoing to come back to us just
from this is if someone goes hey, tommy, you can have three
million a year if you want toplay racquetball, but you're
probably gonna have to go dosome I probably would agree to
it honestly because it's allright.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Fine, yeah, there's not any money for it at that
point I think the steroid eraand I think all that stuff.
I think it's all unfair in thesense of just because you didn't
get caught and he or she did,or he did better than you and
got caught.
I have tons of friends in bigsports.
I'll use Major League Baseballthe shit these guys were doing,

(46:53):
it doesn't mean they didn't doit.
You just didn't get caught,just didn't get caught.
So barry bonds, he's thegreatest player that I mean that
I've ever seen, and many peoplethat I know that have coached
him and been teammates with him.
They've also probably thebiggest ass they've ever met.
But you know, yeah, did he dosteroids apparently?
But I don't know that derrickjeter did or didn't, like I

(47:16):
don't know.
I'm not saying he did or didn't, who knows.
You know it's like just becausesomeone got caught, right you
know you're gonna keep out ofthe hall of fame.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I mean, come fair enough.
Today, by the way, um, it'schanged and now it can be
prescribed and it can't berevealed because of hippa,
testosterone replacement therapyand a bunch of other stuff, and
it's all bullshit it's allbullshit.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
The great the thing with baseball back in the day
that was even bigger than thesteroid, were the greenies.
So greenies, that's like afocus drug, right, and that's
what they would do.
True story, I mean, god, Icould tell you some funny
stories, crazy stories.
You remember Randy Johnson,right, yeah, so I won't say the
other team that it was.
Jason Menino and I were inArizona one night, randy

(48:03):
Johnson's going to pitch, who atthe time was untouchable?
Cy Young, blah, blah, blah.
We were with this other team 6am.
They were playing that night 7am these guys were still going.
At 6 am I'm like.
I got to go to bed, I got tofind a bookie and put as much
money as possible on the ArizonaDimebacks.
I didn, but uh, apparently thethe amount of things that they

(48:24):
can get from their trainers inthe morning time.
They beat randy johnson thatnight and I remember randy
johnson was like minus 350.
So for those of you it's likeif you bet 100 bucks and lose,
you lose 350.
So if you want to, you know it.
Um and he and that game.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
But anyway, the majority of the piece, they hook
up into them and everythingelse.
That's what they do.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
They go in the room, they go in the training room in
the morning and they're like hey, I had a rough night.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Sleep it off.
They're sleeping, we're good.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, it's unreal.
So anyway, yeah, I have a whole, yeah, my whole thing, even
playing field across the board.
I can't, you know, rackable,right, we don't drug test, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Well, you did or what I did, or well did they, though
?

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I mean, you know, irf says that's the other thing,
maybe Right.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, there was a.
I will.
I'll leave the.
I know this is like like it'sone of the longer form things
we're going to do, but I willsay one of my decisions of
exiting was I was in reallyreally good physical shape in
college.
I mean like really really good.
I was 205 and like 4% body fatand could just go, go, go.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
What are you now?
We're getting back to that, bro.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I'm 230 now, but a little more.
The point was that I'd be like15 weeks into the season and I
can barely lift my arm and I'mlike I train, I do everything,
diet, and these other guys arelike every week in and out like
nothing's happened and I'm likethey have got to be good.
And they were.
They were, they're gettingstuff for the recovery and I was
like I'm not going to do that,I'm not going to compete,

(49:54):
there's no money for me to go dothis with.
Like there's no, there's nojuice squeezing here and I was
like you know what, even in thissports getting like I was like
all right, I'm just gonna go dosomething else.
I'm gonna go get fat my 20s,I'll be back.
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I did it a lot of good, got a lot of good eats and
drinks I wish, uh, I probablywould have stopped drinking a
few decades earlier.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Probably would save me a bit of money and time.
All right, let me get one lastone for you.
All right, if you had to startover today, what would you do
differently?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
What age I mean?
I did so much in life.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Like pick a moment.
If I could go back to thismoment, I would do this.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I would have listened to Eric Mueller and gave him
10% of every single check I evertook.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Oh, you'd have let him invest it for you 10% of
every dollar I ever made minimum.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
That's probably what I would have done.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Those Harvard law guys you might want to listen to
.
They're, they're pretty smart.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Don't forget.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
BU, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Forgot BU business, harvard law, jd, mba.
I can't even say how manythings he has.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
He's a.
He's a smart human.
He always was.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Probably just that.
But I mean, that's me, you know, from a, from a life standpoint
.
Probably just that.
But that's me from a lifestandpoint.

(51:17):
I say one of my slogans, if yousaw any of, I'm eating, I'm
picking those things right.
So everybody I'm talking to,it's just a decision.
It's up to you.
You know you don't like the wayyou feel, then make a change.
Oh, but I can't.
Yes, you can, there's always achange.
You know, I tell people all thetime like, how'd you lose all
that weight?
I'm like dressed, I didn't likethe way my pants fit.

(51:40):
That moment I just startedmaking better decisions.
I didn't tell anybody, I didn'ttalk about it, I didn't.
You know what, instead ofhaving a full cup of coffee with
coffee creamer, maybe, I had a,I changed a little bit less
milk and, by the way, I lovepizza, right.
So I'd be like how many slicesof pizza can you eat?
Time, I could eat six or seven.
Cool Eat five, right?
Just smaller decisions.
And that's what I did.
Then you get, look, you see,those little results, those baby

(52:02):
steps.
Next thing, you know, you'relike now I really liked the way
I feel.
Now I'm going to go jump on thePeloton, you know, and then
those things happen.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
So anyway, it's just in the book.
I tell you to read on that, theone that you'd asked about AD
uh, atomic habits by James Clear.
Um the math if you if the math,if you, if you gain 1% every day
, little little habits, over thenext year, you'll be 37.38
times better.
If you decline, you'll be at0.025 of what you were at the
beginning of the year.
And if you do nothing, you'restill the same maybe.

(52:31):
So the difference betweengetting worse and getting better
is an extraordinarily largenumber between and I.
My goal is, every day, even ifI don't want to show up for the
gym, I go.
If I try to find, I try to haveno 0% days and very few
negative days.
Um, and that that'd be the onebook I tell everyone to read is
go, do atomic habits and find 1%to improve by every day.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I'm going to write it down, but I want you to text it
to me.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I will, I will, I'd listen to it because, because
you can walk and you're going toget everything you want out of
it from that.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Just plan an eight-hour walk and just knock
it out.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Can I just sprint for five minutes?

Speaker 1 (53:06):
No, no, you'll get distracted, your heart rate will
get uptight.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
All right.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Last question before you get the shameless plug of
whatever you'd like to go do.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
If there was one question I should have asked you
today, and I didn't.
What would that question be?
Oh, that's easy.
What the hell is a name like?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
sudsy, and where'd you get it from?
I already know the answer tothat, but go ahead well, but
that I mean you.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I don't know, is this for you or for your, for your
listeners?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
it's what you'd like to share.
It's a reflection of you, notme yeah, sudsy's a nickname,
obviously, tom.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know my.
My legal birth name is walteruh, which I'm not a big fan of
that.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
You don't look like a .

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Walter.
No shit, I was born a Jack.
I got to tell my wife thatthat's funny, that's like her
fun name for me Jack.
Oh, you look like Jack.
Yeah that's funny.
I didn't tell her that.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Really, you're just one Jack off, though I mean
that's.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Well, the actual.
So my mother was going to nameme Christopher John and my
father, walter Sr, was like he'sa junior, uh-uh, walter Jr,
same father.
So Walter is my name, samefather.
When you learn how to walk asan infant, you're 10 months old,
you're climbing on furniture.
He had like a glass of beersitting on the coffee table and
he said he wasn't.

(54:20):
He didn't hear me for like afew minutes.
Back then it was probably anhour, right, even at 10 months
old, I don't know where we are.
And he said he looked at me andI had suds all over my face,
like I was going into his beerand I was just sitting there
like with it.
And he said he looked at me andhe goes sudsy.
And then my mom says from thatmoment on he would only
introduce me to everyone asSudsy and and and that was it.

(54:42):
And here's Sudsy.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
It's a good brand, it's good, you know.
Here's the thing.
You didn't need your last name,it's easy, shameless plug time.
You got to plug Frank.
Tell me how people tell me whoshould get ahold of you and how
they should do that and what youknow.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
What you, what, any offers you got for people to use
.
Yeah, so go go you definitely.
My Facebook is pretty, prettyactive.
The Sudsy Munchik athlete pagemake sure it's the athlete page.
It's got the blue check mark.
Um, I don't know if that meanssomething cool, tom, uh, but you
can find me there.
Uh, you can find me onInstagram Sudsy Munchik, youtube
, sudsy munchik.
And, of course, you can go tofrankhotelscom and book a room.

(55:22):
Book direct and use promo codesudsy and you'll get a discount.
Pacific Northwest, a cool place, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, you're in Washington now, so so thanks.
Thanks for joining here today.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
My pleasure.
A lot of fun, buddy.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
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Apple, Spotify hit the followbutton and if you're on YouTube,
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