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December 17, 2025 40 mins

In Episode 166 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson sits down with Tyler Moore, Ph.D., Chair of Cyber Studies at the University of Tulsa, and Daniel Woods, Lecturer at the University of Edinburgh. Together, they review the foundations of actuarial science in cyber risk. Here are some highlights from our episode:

  • 00:48. Introductions to Tyler and Daniel
  • 01:22. How actuarial science fits into a traditional approach of risk modeling
  • 02:20. Why cyber risk has historically been difficult to quantify
  • 04:01. How data sources available to insurers and individual organizations have evolved
  • 07:21. Adaptability as a key principle to model risk for an evolving cyber threat landscape
  • 08:58. Loss distribution modeling for different types of cyber threats
  • 11:38. Similarities and differences between how actuaries and frameworks view risks
  • 13:10. Quantifying severity, frequency, and resilience to different cyber risks
  • 14:31. How insurers differ from underwriters in their view of risk
  • 17:43. Ransomware as a case study where actuarial modeling improved risk management
  • 22:30. The value of translating cyber risk to business risk for CISOs like Sean
  • 26:20. Why data on which security controls matter most remains elusive
  • 32:33. The biggest misconceptions of using actuarial models in cybersecurity
  • 36:09. How cyber actuarial science can help to determine what works in cybersecurity

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