Dempsey Cifuentes: Cycling and Family

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is up cycling Oklahoma?
I'm super excited to have youback for another episode Again.
It's another great one.
This one was with Dempsey and Iam not.
Me and Dempsey have riddentogether in group rides several
times and but we've neverchatted outside of saying hi,
and you know small talk as we go.
So this was a really coolepisode for me to sit down and

(00:21):
talk with someone who I don'tknow.
I don't know the history, Idon't know true racing results.
I followed Dempsey from afar fora while because he's a super
fast dude and just so incrediblynice and always smiling and
happy, and so I always cheer forhim and root for him and have
always appreciated howincredibly fast and fit he is in

(00:41):
such a short time, especiallyfor being such a young man, and
so I'm very excited to sit downand talk with him, and so this
episode is really fun.
I had a great time getting toknow Dempsey.
I mean, he really truly is anincredibly kind soul, just a
very happy man who enjoys ridinghis bike more than anything
like really outside of hisfamily.

(01:02):
I think that was the takeawayfrom this, his story.
We don't get into all of hisdetails of his upbringing and
his childhood and his life andstuff like that.
But I think you'll get someinspiration from his story of
his family, of them coming toAmerica, the hard work that they
put in every single day, howmuch they love each other and
support each other and enjoyeach other's company, along with

(01:25):
bike rides.
So I think there's so much tothis outside of man.
Dempsey's a fast dude and hegoes real fast in circles and he
crushes souls on the bicycle.
There's so much more to thisepisode that is much deeper than
just a bicycle and I I reallyenjoyed his time.
I really appreciated him beingopen about his uh, life's

(01:47):
journey and story with hisfamily, and so I really hope you
enjoy this episode.
I greatly enjoyed it.
Um, and I have a not a newrespect for Dempsey cause I
always respected him but a newunderstanding of him and, uh,
what's driving him to be as fastas he can be and to achieve the
, the levels that he's hoping toachieve, and it just makes me
root for him so much more.
So if you see Dempsey out onthe course or out training or at

(02:10):
Wheeler or any of the races,say hi, great guy, super smiley,
and any of his family, if yougo to the Wheeler crits or any
other crits around Oklahoma.
You're probably going to seethe kits say that, say brick
squad, that's, that's Dempsey'sfamily Incredibly nice people
Every one of them that I've evertalked to in small talk and
saying hi to have always been inso happy, so nice and, uh, a

(02:31):
really supportive group ofpeople, and so support them.
Um, the brick squad uh is areally fun group and I hope you
go say hi to them at the at theraces.
His dad has his own company.
I'm going to put the link forhis Facebook page in our show
notes.
So, if you have any brickworkand we talk about what they do
at the end of the episodes ifyou have any needs, hey, hit

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them up because, again, we liketo support people that support
our community.
And if you have work andsomebody in our community is
doing that job, you should hitthem up and you should seek out
them.
Let's support each other.
Let's support each other'sbusinesses, each other's goals
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Thank you so much for tuning in.
Sorry this is so long andreally really hope you enjoy
this amazing episode withDempsey.
Go play bikes and go enjoyoutside.

(06:30):
All right, dempsey, this isgoing to be a good one, because
I didn't look anything up aboutyou, because I wanted this to be

(06:51):
like I'm learning too.
Okay, because normally I kindof know the gist of who I'm
talking with you.
I just know you basically fromCU racing or group rides.
I don't really know much aboutyou, so I think this is going to
be a good one for me to learnas well, and so if I miss
something, make sure to bring itup.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Okay, so if you have any good stories yeah, I hope I
can I can tell you more about me, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, first off, let's start with just kind of
tell us, I guess, your name, howold you are, and let's start
with how you, how you got intoriding bikes.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Okay, my name is Dempsey Cifuentes.
I am 21 years old.
I started riding bikes when Iwas a little kid.
I just did it for fun.
At that point I wasn't takingit so serious how I am now.
But I started riding my bike inGuatemala, where I grew up.

(07:46):
It started where I lived in areally humble village.
It was one of those towns whereeverybody knew each other and
everybody knew what washappening.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I grew up in one of those too.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I lived with my grandma because my dad and mom
left me at a very young age tocome to the States.
So I was living with my grandmaat that point and my dad, he
sent me a bike to Guatemala.
It was I don't even know thebrand of it, but it was a bike
where I could use.
So I started riding around,going to school and back with my

(08:22):
friends and I just used it as away to get around.
And and then, when I was likenine years old, um, I decided to
move to the states with myparents because I didn't know
what my parents at that point Iwas just living with my grandma,
which I called my mom because Ididn't know who my parents were

(08:44):
at that point, uh.
So then, uh, I moved here andthen my dad was uh, cycling at
the moment, but he wasn't likeracing or anything, he was just
riding for fitness.
And my uncles were too.
They were just doing it for fun, to uh, to get some stress out.
So then I, they would likeinvite me on every sunday.

(09:08):
They will invite me, uh, Iwould uh, and they would go out
early, like seven, six am,before the heat got uh like
really bad, and that was theworst part I I wasn't a morning
person like they would like haveto drag me out of my bed every
time, and I, at that point, Ididn't like cycling.

(09:33):
I was like man, this is whatcycling is.
I don't want to wake up earlyand go ride a bike yeah,
especially at like nine or ten.
That sucks yeah so I was like,uh, I would like tell my dad I
don't want to go.
And then he was like, let's go,this is going to be for an hour
.
Your uncles are going to go.
And at this point it was likesix of my uncles going and then

(09:55):
my dad plus me, so we're like alittle group and it was fun when
I was out there, but trying tostart was the worst part.
When I was out there, buttrying to start was the worst
part People would have to dragme out of my bed literally.
But yeah, that's how it started, riding with my uncles.
Emerson was there too.

(10:17):
He keeps riding with me all thetime we ride together.
And how old is Emerson?
He's 29.
, 29, okay, yeah, and he's.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And how old is Emerson?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
He's 29.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
29.
Okay, yeah, okay, and he's yourcousin, he's my uncle, he's
your uncle, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, he's my uncle, but we ride together, we spend a
lot of time together and a lotof people confuse us with
brothers.
So I just tell them we'rebrothers.
Yeah, but yeah, that's how Istarted, and when I was 12, I
believe I had my first crash.
I was going down the river trailand you know where I think it's

(10:55):
like crossing Council andthere's like a little chicane in
an uphill.
So in that little chicane mydad was going fast and I was
following his wheel but I had myhead down and he like went
through the right turn and thenleft turn and I had my head down
and I just went straight.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
And at that point.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
there wasn't all that rocks that was there, it was
just like straight dirt and likesome bushes.
So I landed on the bush and Ihad some road rash and I got
pretty scared.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
So I was like dang cycling is dangerous.
I don't want to do this anymoreyeah.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
So then I stopped for a year.
I I didn't touch my bike.
My parents or my dad mostlywould like uh tell me to go ride
and I just I wouldn't like Igot traumatized, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
And I just didn't ride my bike for a year until I
believe it was like a littleover a year, where Emerson told
me like hey, let's go ride, it'sjust going to be me and you,
we're going to go.
Super chill, nothing crazy.
And I went with him on a Sundaymorning around I think it was

(12:03):
like 9 or 8.
We went, it was just me and him, and I believe it was my dad, I
don't really remember.
It was a while back and we wentit was just nice and chill at
the river trail.
We went to Meridian and back.
It was just nice and chill andI felt okay.
I was like okay, this isfun-ish and I felt okay.

(12:25):
Like I was like okay, like thisis fun-ish.
And then, since then, I juststarted riding with Emerson,
nice and chill, and then I gotinto soccer when I was 13.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So you didn't play any other sports up until that
point.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So I actually did.
I had a a.
So growing up I always playedsoccer with my, with my friends
and I just like did cycling as aas a way to get fitness, yeah
it's a way to get fitness, uh.
But I always, um, had soccer inmind.
I wanted to go, I wanted to seehow, uh, how far I can take uh
soccer, and maybe you know,every kid's dream become

(13:06):
professional at soccer, right.
So that was my dream.
And then I had the passion forit and I just did cycling as a
way to get fit.
And once I had my crash, I juststopped cycling, uh, and I
focused more on soccer, and, andthen when I started back, or

(13:27):
when I hit high school, I justdid cycling for fun and for
fitness.
And once I hit, I think it waslike sophomore year where COVID
happened.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's when I started riding my bike more, uh, and
then I guess I just grew in lovewith it like I was like this is
, this is freedom, I guess so,even whenever you were like at
that age so even let's go back,even like when you were like 12
riding were you like justnaturally strong at it, like you
could keep up with all theolder, like all that your

(14:03):
cousins and uncles and dad andthem, like at a really early age
.
Or was it like you were like atypical 12 year old, like on,
like struggling to keep up withthe, with the older guys, or was
it something that just likenaturally, you were pretty
gifted at?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Uh, no, I was, I was getting my ass kicked, yeah,
okay good yeah Every every groupor every group ride we did with
my family.
I was the last one to get backto Lake Overholter.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
I love that they didn't take it easy on you.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
No, they wouldn't.
So we would go to Meridianevery Saturday or Sunday.
We would go to Meridian andback.
I remember that there's like auh where it's crossing, uh, I
think it's um, uh, reno, reno,and there's like a downhill and

(14:51):
then, and then there's like alittle uphill and then you go
into like that straight away touh, to 10th street.
So, uh, every time they wouldattack there, like it was like
whoever gets to 10th street?
So, uh, every time they wouldattack there, like it was like
whoever gets to 10th street isthe winner at that okay, nice,
so it was like a little hot zonebut just for our family.
That's awesome yeah, so they hadthat and, uh, every time I was

(15:15):
the last one there every timeuntil like um, and I guess I
just got competitive.
Uh, I was like I'm not going tolet them beat me every time,
I'll have to beat themeventually.
And at this point it was likepast my first crash, so I was

(15:37):
just riding.
At that point I think it waslike 14, 13, around there.
So I was riding with them everySunday.
14, 13, around there.
So I was riding with them everySunday.
And on the weekdays, afterschool and after soccer practice
I would go ride aroundOverholster for like one or two
laps, or sometimes I would go toMeridian and back and then

(16:01):
every Sunday I would ride withmy uncles and my dad and I would
be the first one attacking them, trying to prove that I am
getting stronger, and I wouldstill get my ass kicked.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
So you were super competitive.
You just didn't have theability yet.
Yeah, I didn't.
At what age did you finallycross that where you were
keeping up with them and beatthem?
Do you remember when you beatthem for the first time?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Oh, yeah, I don't remember what day or what time,
but I remember this, um, so wewere coming back from I think
it's like i-35.
Uh, we were coming back fromthere and, um, I attacked
crossing.
I think it was like rockwell soI I attacked, I was like I'm

(16:46):
gonna, I'm gonna show them thatI can, I can do it so then I I
attacked and um, and I keptlooking back, there was no one.
There was no one coming.
So I was like, okay, this is it.
So I just kept pushing and mylegs were hurting, everything
was hurting, but I kept lookingback and nobody was coming.
So then I was like, oh, okay,this is it.

(17:06):
I kept going, I got to likeReno, and then I looked back and
then there was Joel and Joel,josue and Emerson behind me and
I was like, oh no, they're goingto catch me, I can't.
So I just kept going hard, putmy head down and kept going me
and I was, oh no, they're gonnacatch me, I can't.
So I just kept going hard, putmy head down and kept going.

(17:28):
I got to the straightaway to uh, to get to um 10th street, and
I kept looking back and theywere like gaining on me.
So I just like head down allthe sprinted all the way to 10th
street and I got there firstand I was so happy I I felt like
uh I uh, I might have been yourbiggest win ever, yeah.
I was so like I was speechlessat that point.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I was like how old were you?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I was like 13.
I think so.
I around there.
I'm not sure, but I was young.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, that's awesome.
So you, your family, is clearlysuper competitive, because we
were talking about all yourcousins and stuff before we
started.
So anybody that goes to Wheelerhas seen the brick squad and
all.
I mean you guys have a bigfamily, yeah, and it seems like
everybody cycles.
And now you have a whole newgeneration coming in because
there's a bunch of little guysout there riding and stuff.

(18:17):
So which is hilarious andawesome so is the whole family
get together.
Well, let me go back one stepNow.
I see your I guess it's youruncles with your cousins out at
Overholster.
Sometimes, like on a Saturdaymorning or Sunday morning, I
think they're doing the samething to them that they did to
you.
Yeah, basically.
And these little guys, I meanthey're like 10 maybe, and
they're like on their road bikeslike in the draft, and it's the

(18:39):
cutest, coolest thing ever.
And everybody's having a goodtime, but those little guys are
like serious.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh yeah, they are.
They're serious about itespecially the little little one
.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
He is so competitive.
It's awesome, it's so awesometo see and they have their kits
on and they have the brick squadkits and everything which is so
cool.
So does pretty much everybodyin the family, like all the guys
cycle.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Pretty much, yes, but they don't really take it as
serious as my little cousins.
So, like my little or theyoungest brother, my youngest
brother he goes with them, buthe doesn't like cycling that
much.
And then I have my otheryounger child, my other younger

(19:26):
brother.
He is more into soccer.
Okay, my other younger brother,um, he is more into soccer.
Okay, he does, he, he was, orhe's like me.
Uh, how he's taking cycling,not just the way to get fit
right, uh, but he's more into,uh, soccer okay, yeah, and your
uncles and your dad.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
They ride this because some of them still race.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I see him out at wheeler racing yeah, um, so uh,
yeah, some of them race.
My dad doesn't ride as muchanymore, but he goes every now
and then with my little brotheror my cousin sometimes, but yeah
.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, and I don't know which one of them it was,
because there's two guys that Ialways get confused.
I feel like they're about thesame age, they look about the
same and one of them me and him,and we've talked about it it
afterwards but me and him hadlike a legit race on the river
trail one day, like at first hewas in front of me and I was
trying to catch him and then Isaw him turn and see that I was
catching him, and then I noticedthat I wasn't catching him

(20:21):
anymore and I chased that fullthe entire river trailer all the
way to overholster and finally,like it was like weeks later, I
saw him at um wheeler and I waslike, are you the one I was
chasing the other day?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
he's like you weren't gonna catch me and I was like
no, damn it, I tried so hardhe's like, I know so it's so
funny.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
But it's funny to see like and so cool to see how
many of your family that are outthere like just putting in the
work and doing it which is andhaving a good time.
It seems like you come towheeler.
You guys have a party everytime.
Yeah, there's always a group,there's always some coolers.
Everybody's hanging out havingfun, no matter who's racing,
like the whole crew's there yeah, uh, I think that's uh.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I mean, I think just riding a bike is just it's
having fun that's not the way Isee it.
Um, I like I said when Istarted I didn't like it, but
something changed and I I loveit now.
I like it's like freedom, likeI said.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Um and emerson.
Is he the other one that's likereally competitive, oh yeah
emerson is the one that's alwaysriding with me.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
We always race together at wheeler.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
We just go everywhere because what is, what's he
category, what is?
He, he's a cat one also okay,so you two are the cat ones.
Yeah, in the group.
Yeah, okay, much okay.
Um, at what point did youdecide like I'm gonna go all in
on this and take it serious andI'm gonna like see what I can do
with cycling?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
uh, so it was when covid hit okay it's because, uh,
everything shut down, uh, allmy and like, uh, my soccer games
, everything just shut down,practice shut down, and the only
thing I could do it's riding abike, and I'm like one of those
training horses that you have to, like, do something with that
energy, otherwise you go crazyso I had to do something and I

(22:04):
just started riding my bike moreand, uh, and I just like the,
the wind hitting your face, uh,like the more, the more you went
, or the more you pushed on thepedals, the faster you would go.
I just and I just like the, thefeeling of the air hitting your
face.
You're just like all of it,yeah all of it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I wish people could have this on video because, like
soon, soon as you start talkingabout it, like your face like
lights up, like you instantlystart smiling and you can just
see like, oh, I just like loveit.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
All of it.
I don't know how to describethe feeling that I feel, but
it's a nice feeling to have,like it's in you, yeah, yeah,
yeah and so whenever you start.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
So you started.
When did you start like raceracing, like right after COVID?
So?
We're kind of nearing that sametime frame.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think it was right.
I started racing before COVID,I think it was like I think it
was late 2018.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Okay, so there's kind of like some local crits and
kind of yeah, I started doingWheeler.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay, wheeler was my first ever race.
Okay, and I did that for like ayear.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
And I didn't travel a lot or anything, so you would
have been like 15?
Yeah, 15.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I was 15 when I started doing Wheeler.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Did you kind of have success when you started?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I won my first Cat 5 at Wheeler, nice, nice.
Yeah, I got one of those those.
You're one of those punk kids Igot one of those yellow
t-shirts saying I want Wheelerand all I got was this lousy
t-shirt.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
They need to bring that back.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I got one of those, so I was just happy.
I still have that hanged out inmy room.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's awesome, that's cool.
Yeah, so you were just once youlike started, you were just
like let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I was like I'll see what happens and but at
that point in 2018, I was stillhaving a soccer practice.
I was still doing soccer atthat moment and then, when COVID
happened, I just stopped withsoccer and focused more on
cycling.
I started going to races more,started traveling.
I started going to races, morestarted traveling and I think I

(24:11):
got my CAT 3 upgrade in a year.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
And then that's when COVID happened, and then all the
races shut down.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
So I think it was like mid what, 19, 20?
, 20.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
First at 20, I guess, is when it hit yeah, that I was
a cat three at that point onceeverything shut down and then I
just started riding my bike moreand, uh, I think it was like
after covid uh, I decided justto like stop with soccer and
even talk to my dad about it.
I was like, uh, I'm done withsoccer, I don't want to do
soccer anymore.

(24:52):
I'm, I feel, more a passion forcycling.
And he was like, um, heunderstood for sure, but he was
like I want you to like tofinish, uh, call uh high school
soccer and after senior year youcan just quit soccer and you
can just focus more on cycling.
Okay, and then I finishedjunior year playing soccer, but

(25:19):
I didn't have that passionanymore.
I was just doing it to likefulfill my dad's dream or
whatever right like what he said.
I was just fulfilling him, um,but I was.
I didn't have that passionanymore for it.
I had that passion for cycling,so I would.
I would travel around.
Uh, every time after soccerpractice or games or before a

(25:43):
game, I would go ride my bike.
Um, I was being more consistentwith cycling.
And then senior year came around.
I tore my meniscus playingsoccer.
I think it was like 2021, likethe end of 2021, when I tore my

(26:11):
meniscus and I had a choice toget surgery right there and then
, but then I wouldn't be able toplay my whole senior year or,
um, wait it out and play mysenior year and then get a
surgery at the in the summer,basically.
But I had a risk, uh, that mymeniscus would get worse.

(26:32):
I decided to take the risk and,uh didn't get surgery until the
summer.
Uh, so I played my whole, mywhole senior year of soccer.
Uh, just to you know, get itout of my system and whatever.
I still had pain on my knee,but I was just fighting it out
and I was still racing at thattime.
I think I got my cat to upgradeat that point.

(26:52):
Uh, yeah, and I had a.
Uh, yeah, I just had a pain onmy knee most of the time, but I
just I went through it and, uh,I didn't get any big results
that year, didn't?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
you.
I feel like you were either atWheeler or went to a race.
It was either like your prom orgraduation day.
I feel like I was at Wheelerand they were like, yeah, he
just graduated high school, likeyesterday, or he's leaving here
to go to graduation or prom, orsomething like that.
Is that true?
Am I remembering that?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, so yeah, that is that's true.
Remembering that, oh yeah, yeah.
So yeah, that is that's true.
Um, so, I was doing metro techin, uh, metro tech in, basically
like normal school metro techis like I was doing metro tech
for entrepreneurship.
Okay, and um, metro tech, I didthat for junior and senior year

(27:47):
and they were graduating thatday of wheeler, okay and um, I
was like that's not my actualgraduation.
That was in my home, uh, myhome school graduation.
So I was like it's not thatimportant.
So I decided to go to wheelerand uh, and take uh my captain
gown with me, just in case I won.
Yeah, and I got that idea fromum audrey drummmond.

(28:11):
She, uh, she was the one thatgave me that idea to go that's
pretty good and take my captaingown with me.
So I was all right I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's pretty awesome .
Did you win that night?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I believe.
So I don't know if I have it,but I think I won.
I'm not sure that's hilariousit was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
So after high school soccer was done, now it's full
blast, cycling straight ahead,like let's make it happen.
So at that point, were you on ateam at that point, or were you
still kind of solo?
Like when did the shift changefrom like man, I'm just like a
local cat dude guy trying to dothis to like now we're trying to

(28:48):
get to the next level guytrying to do this to like now
we're trying to get to the nextlevel.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
So I started with bike lab as a cat five, uh, and
then I stayed with uh bike labuntil I was uh cat three and
then I was like uh, I don't knowwhat really happened for me to
move, I don't really remember,but oh, I think it was um evan
bybee and uh chad, uh hodges.
They were making or they werebringing back dna as a racing

(29:17):
team.
So then I was like uh, and theywere still pretty.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I mean, they were pretty fast, but back then they
were faster so I was like thenthat I could learn a washed up
has been.
I mean they, I mean they aren'tDad mode.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But they were pretty fast and I would always admire
them Like on group rides.
I was like man, they're prettyfast, like one day I would want
to race with them, be in theirteam.
And Evan reached out, I thinkat a group ride.
He was like hey, we're bringingback DNA, do you want to join?
And I told Emerson I was likehey, they're bringing back DNA,

(29:52):
do you want to join?
And he was like yeah.
So then we went to chat andtalked about it.
He was like we would love foryou to come and I was like we
are a package deal.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
So where I go, Emerson has to come.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So they were like, yeah, they were welcoming and
yeah, they were pretty nice tous.
I have nothing bad to say aboutthem.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
They yeah so humble that's kind of where you really
took, took off and went to thenext level.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, that's that's pretty much.
Uh, I learned a lot from uh robevan chad and mostly uh paul.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Uh, yeah, he, I know I'd love to see paul come out
and race some dudes again.
Yeah, it's so strong dude.
Yeah, unless you're like thosetop, top guys, you nobody knows
who he is.
But I would love to see himcome out to some races and like,
throw down again someday yeah,I don't know if he ever will,
but I would love to see it.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, paul is pretty, pretty strong.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
He's an awesome dude.
He can go forever.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh yeah, forever yeah , and not just like forever.
He goes hard, forever yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, he's a great follow on Strava.
If, even if you don't know him,just to see the rides he puts
in, you're like what that?
What is this guy doing?
Like, cause his rides are neverlike.
It's funny when you see likehis like he'll comment something
like short ride or easy rideand it's still like 40 or 50
miles at like 21, 22 miles anhour and you're just like dude,
that's not like a chill, easy,like recovery ride.

(31:20):
Yeah, that's him though I'mlike all right, put it in oh
yeah, he for sure yeah.
So when did you um?
So after you're done now you'rewith dna um is that when you
really started traveling aroundand doing some bigger events and
getting some bigger results, orwas it still kind of just doing
the local stuff and kind oflearning and trying to get your
feet wet in the next levels?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So I think when I was in DNA is when I tore my
meniscus, so I only did likehalf a year with them.
I was traveling around.
I would go down like to Texasand do all those road races,
crits that they have down there,but that's pretty much it.
I would just go down to Texasand Oklahoma.
That's it at the moment.

(32:02):
And after Tulsa I had my kneesurgery so I didn't finish the
whole season with them, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Do you have any results at Tulsa that year?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
No, no, no.
I think the only result I hadin Tulsa was as a Cat 3.
I think I won Friday night in abreak.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Oh.
That's a good one to win.
Yeah, as a Cat 3.
That's a good one to win.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, it was pretty nice I still have the t-shirt
just hanging there in my roomtoo.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
That's a cool one.
That's a good one.
And then, after how long wereyou with DNA?
Just that year.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, just that year.
And then where did you go?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Omnia, omnia.
And they're out of where Tulsa.
They're out of Tulsa.
Yeah Okay, team right.
Yeah okay.
Um, and then who is are you?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
still with them.
Yeah, uh, yeah, okay, and sowho are some of the guys that
are on that team?
Uh, so last year at the, it wasall chad um, chad cagle is.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Is he the one that kind of runs that team?
Yeah, pretty much uh are theyall tulsa guys?
Yeah, pretty much all of them,uh, uh does, lastly, or any of
them, what they race with them?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
okay, yeah last, the last lease, uh-huh yeah, all of
them.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
And uh, did drummond come over and race tulsa?
This year he raced withsomebody, or was that with sound
pony sound pony okay gotcha.
So is that like the big rivalthere, that sound pony and omnia
?
Is it omnia?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
um, I say omnia.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I don't, I don't know how to pronounce okay so that's
like the two big teams in tulsaright uh, I think it's cora
cora.
Yeah, I think I think gotchayeah, and then because I've seen
them before I've seen theirstuff down here yeah, yeah and
because they're not a new teambut like newer compared to the
old, to the, the dna's and thesound pony teams yeah, yeah, for

(33:53):
sure um, so you've been racingwith them different level oh
yeah, for sure, very differentlevel.
Oh yeah, and so is this yearyour first year to go like to
big events, or did you do thatlast year as well?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think I did more uh last year as well.
Uh, we went, we were travelingaround.
To where?
Uh we went to arizona, texas,st louis, um, chicago and
wisconsin and you guys travel alot.
It was just mostly me andemerson.
Yeah, uh, I think we were justtrying to race as much as

(34:31):
possible, trying to get that Cat1 upgrade.
And I was able to get my Cat 1upgrade after Pace Spin.
I won I think it was thedriveway icebreaker there and
after that I got my Cat 1upgrade.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Gotcha.
Yeah.
So at this point, what?
What did you see the biggestdifference in doing like I can't
really say wheeler, but likekind of wheeler, like a fast
localish race let's just saylocal, regional race compared to
going to like one of these liketrue, like cathedral events
that are like wisconsin or, youknow, like st louis, these

(35:11):
events that have been aroundforever.
Like what is it?
And you've raced tulsa tough.
Clearly tulsa is like thoseevents.
What's the difference?
Is it just a deeper field?
Is it just better competitionat the pointy end of the stick?
Is that people handle theirbikes better?
Like what is it that'sdifferent between those events?

Speaker 2 (35:30):
uh, I think the speed , the horsepower uh-huh, uh.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Is it because there's just more of them or the top
guys are just that much faster?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
the top guys are just that much faster.
Yeah, um yeah, they're justsuper strong and everybody is
strong, so I feel like everybodycould win and I think that's
why the speed is so high Is itlike that from the gun.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, when you got into your first big race like
that, what were you thinking?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I don't belong here.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I was like what am I doing?
Did you survive?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I survived, yeah, but I was just scared.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I was like, oh God, scared of the speed, or scared
of the being in the group goingthat fast and that aggressive,
or what was it.
Or just like a fitness scareduh, I was just fitness scared.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I was nervous, um, I would see all these um strong
guys on youtube and they're justripping it and I'm like I'm
riding with them.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
So like seeing some people you followed, yeah, and
I'm like yeah, I'm like I'mriding with them.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I, what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
So, yeah, Did you feel better after that first
race or two, like you belonged,or did you take a long time
before you felt like youbelonged?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think it's uh.
I still haven't, uh, haven't.
I don't think I belong yet.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think I don't know, I just haven't been able to
feel comfortable.
I was recently up in Dairylandand I wasn't.
I never felt comfortable.
I feel like I was so cautiouscautious of like crashes and uh,

(37:18):
I think I think the first hour,the first day that I was there,
I crashed, I broke my bike andthat took like a mental toll.
I I just couldn't get.
I felt like every corner therewill be a crash and I will like
kind of hit, hit on my brakes alittle and I just never felt
comfortable.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Is it just is there crashes like that all the time,
or was it just happened?
To be at that event was kind ofcrazy.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I think it was just that event.
I don't, I don't really know,but uh, the races that I've been
, it was just Tulsa and um andum in there, like where I felt
it was like really moreaggressive?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think so.
Okay, more risks.
I don't know how'd you breakyour bike oh, uh.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
So you know, uh, ducon, the butcher box guy,
uh-huh, so he went down.
I don't know how he went down,but I was like I think it was
like two guys behind him and uh,I just see his bike in front of
in front of me and I braked sohard but I didn't have enough

(38:17):
time to brake and uh, I hit my,um, my front wheel with his bike
and I just went over the barsand I think when I landed I
think I like landed or my bikelanded on my wheel, and I think
that caused it, or somebody elsehit my bike.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, ran over.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, I think when I got up it was like I think it
was six guys laying there, so itwas pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
It happened so fast?
Nobody.
Yeah, did you break like thetop tube or what'd you break?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Oh, it was like the little triangle where you hold
the rear wheel.
It's that triangle where itconnects to the seat post.
It was that, then, my rearwheel was done.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
That was your fancy team bike.
Yeah.
Were you done for the week, orwere you able to scrounge up
another bike so?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
were you done for the week or were you able to
scrounge up another bike?
So you know it sucks, becausebefore I left for Dairyland my
dad was like take your sparebike, just in case, and I was
like, no, just take my sparewheels.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I don't think I need my spare bike.
Dad knows best I learned thatone.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I learned that the hard way.
So I was kind of disappointedon myself and mad because I
didn't listen.
And uh, I called my dad.
I was like, hey, um, I crashedmy bike, uh, I can't ride
anymore, send him some pictures.
And he, he was kind of um, hewas kind of mad because he,
basically he wasn't mad that Iuh crashed or anything, he was

(39:48):
mad that I didn't listen.
And, yeah, he, he, uh, I thinkuh texted p, peter Yardos or,
and then Peter was able to getmy bike to Wisconsin on Sunday
because he reached out first andsay and said that, if I was

(40:09):
okay, and I was like, yeah, I'mokay, okay, and I was like, yeah
, I'm okay.
And I think, because he told methat he was coming on Sunday
and and I was like, oh, couldyou?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I don't, I don't really know here was coming up
to the race.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, on Sunday gotcha and when I crashed was
Friday okay so he told me Icould use his bike that he had
with chris carlson at that time,uh, to race saturday.
And uh I was like, okay, I'llsee, um, how it goes.
But his bike is a 54 and uh, itdidn't really fit me.
I ride a 56 and it just itdidn't fit me so I didn't in the

(40:53):
.
I didn't want to crash thisbike I didn't want to own my
bike so I that's.
I was like, yeah, I'm notsomething tells me his bikes
were nice.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah yeah, so I just like, I just didn't what's so
wonderful about this story isanybody that knows peter but
doesn't like know peter.
You know peter from the outside.
You're like that guy's so likesuch an ass, like he's so like
rough around the edges and he'sjust so like stern.
But I do.

(41:20):
In this podcast I've had somany people tell me stories off
the air about all thesewonderful things that Peter has
done for them or for somebody ontheir team or all this stuff,
and so, legitimately.
So many racers are like, yeah,if it wasn't for Peter Erdos?
And so at some point I got toget Peter on here.
Many racers are like, yeah, ifit wasn't for peter erdos, and
so at some point I gotta getpeter on here.
He doesn't know yet.
I've never told him yet and Ihaven't mentioned it on here at
some point.
I want to sit down with peterand have him if he'll open up

(41:41):
and tell how nice of a guy he isand all these great things, and
not just keep his roughexterior of like be scared.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
He is a pretty nice guy I, so he's done a lot of
things for a lot of a lot ofpeople yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
But yeah uh uh.
Evan bybee was able to get myspare bike in um in a bike of a
bag, so peter could take it touh wisconsin with him.
So I'm really thankful for themtoo yeah, and I was able to
race saturday or sunday.
I didn't race saturday becauseI didn't have a bike or anything

(42:14):
, but yeah, I was able to racesunday because of uh peter and
uh evan that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
My dad, yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
So you're gonna listen to dad next time, yeah,
yeah, when I, when I got back hewas like I told you, I told you
so he was waiting so much foryou to walk in that door.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, pretty much, I'm like that was such a proud
moment for him.
When you walked in, he's like Itold you yeah, that's hilarious
.
Um, so did you?
Did you get it replaced?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
uh, I don't know.
They're still trying to figureit out.
I dropped it off with seth andjake.
Lastly, see uh, see if theycould do something about it, if
not?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
yeah, I'm gonna be racing, yeah, I'm gonna be
racing yeah, I see my spare bikegotcha.
So what?
What other big races did youdid st Louis this year.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I tour of st Louis yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So that yeah, is that I did that.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
But I crashed on a pace band.
I think it was a week before ortwo weeks before, I think.
The week before I crashedreally hard.
So I was just there to see howI felt and help Emerson.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Because Emerson wanted to do well at that race
and I was just recovering and StLouis is a TT and two crits.
Okay, emerson is not reallygood at TTs and I was just not
feeling great, so we decided todo the tt anyways.
Um, but yeah, it wasn't.

(43:45):
And does he race on your teamas well?
Yeah, yeah, we're a packagedeal got it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
so it's always going to be that way, yeah, at least
for a while.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So, um, as far as crashes, Imean and that's why, like
legitimately, I'm like back ofthe pack kind of guy, but that's
why I don't want to do critsI've done like a five of or six
of them in my life, super fun,extremely miserable and hard,
super fun afterwards, but Inever had a crash and I was like
I'm not, like it's a matter oftime, it's not.
It's not.
It's when.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Now that you've experienced a couple legit
crashes at the top level atspeed, do you just say it's part
of it?
And you do have a little bit offear afterwards, but it goes
away because you know you'regoing to crash and it's just
part of it.
Or is that fear of whenever youwere a 12-year-old boy?
Is it still in there?

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I think that 12-year-old boy is not there, no
more, but there is still alittle fear.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Like I said at Dairyland, I was just really
cautious and I was just at theback basically all the time Do
you think that's what caused thecrash, like because you were
cautious and at the back and alittle scared and a little timid
, or do you think it's just likethat was just being smart and
safe?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
uh, when I crashed on friday.
Oh no, when I crashed on friday.
That was my first day there soI hadn't crashed, I didn't have
anything and I was up there inthe mix okay with everybody and
uh you weren't timid at that?

Speaker 1 (45:10):
no, I wasn't Sunday.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, I was like going with everything on Friday
and I tried to follow.
I was kind of following Dusant.
I was like this guy doesn'tcrash, he knows how to race and
he has won races, so I'm likeI'm going to follow him.
So I was trying to follow himand he's the one that crashed.
And then after that I wasreally cautious too and I was

(45:36):
just hanging at the back.
I didn't didn't want to crashmy spare bike, right.
So I was just cautious and Iwas just like every corner I
like caught myself, um, breakinga little and I was like what am
I doing?
And so I just stayed at theback, uh.
But um, on Wednesday of, uh,dairyland, I think it was like
stage seven or eight, it's likea circuit, and I felt

(45:59):
comfortable there, I felt good,I was in the break, but I just
didn't have it to stay in thebreak, so you kind of worked it
out while you were there.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, did you race Tulsa this year?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
How'd you feel there?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I felt good, I crashed on Friday the first.
I think it was like first fiveminutes.
Oh gosh, I think it was thesecond lap.
The second lap, the firstcorner where Tender Wart went
down.
That's when I went down tooGotcha so.

(46:32):
But I got back on.
I scraped my knee pretty badand I hurt it.
I was slimping when I got offthe bike but there, like the
adrenaline was doing, I didn'tfeel anything.
So I just got back on my bikeand started pedaling and then I
started moving up, but then Igot caught behind the crash as
well and then I just couldn'tmove back, uh, move up anymore,

(46:56):
because at that point it waslike, uh, at the end of the race
it was like 15 laps to go andit was just so fast that I
couldn't move up, uh, and then,like I think, five laps to go, I
got caught behind another crashand, uh, I was chasing for like
the last five laps, okay, andthen, yeah, so you've gotten to

(47:19):
experience the last, say, twoyears, the big races, yeah, and
seeing what it's like.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
let's take a step back, uh, real quick, to your
training.
Um, whenever you've made thisleap to, hey, I want to be a cat
one and clearly this issomething that you want to take
to the next level.
Um, what did you do differentin your training, say 24 months
ago, that you weren't doingbefore?
Did you just start doing morestructure?

(47:45):
Did you hire a coach?
Did you just start writing more?
Did you change anything?
Whenever you're like, okay,it's a different ball game being
a three to a two and now it's areally a different ballgame
from a two to a one, what didyou do different to prepare for
that, or did you just kind ofkeep doing what you were doing?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So I started with a coach, brandon Jackson from Bike
.
Well, he was at Bike Lab.
I don't know if he is yeah, Idon't coached by Brandon Jackson

(48:21):
.
He would have me do more likeVO2 workouts over and unders.
All that Because I didn't havethat time to put volume in
because I was in soccer and Iwas in so many sports at that
point, so I wanted to tryeverything.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
So I was doing.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You should, yeah, so I was just doing VO2 workouts
like one hour to an hour and 30.
Those kind of workouts kind ofof intense intensity like five
days a week.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Six days a week, what ?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
were you doing?

Speaker 1 (48:59):
back then.
This would have been when youwere like 15 through yeah I
would do like.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
So how he had me was we would be uh, monday would be
a rest day, and then I wouldhave tuesday, wednesday, friday,
do intensity, okay, and thenfriday, take another rest, and
then saturday, sunday, I woulddo like uh two to two to three
hours, okay.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
So that's that was a typical week.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, that was a typical week, uh, but then like
uh, soccer would come, wouldcome into play I had some soccer
tournaments on the weekend andall that, so it would change
around, but typically it wouldbe like that.
And then, after a Cat 3, I wentto a Cat 2.

(49:44):
I was still with BrandonJackson and we were still doing
the same thing, just a littlebit more volume, and I felt like
I hit a peak and I felt like Icouldn't, uh, move forward and I
was just there, I couldn't, Ididn't feel like the form going

(50:05):
up or down I just felt there.
So then I I made that decision.
I thought it was to move, uh,or to seek another coach, and uh
, I found out that evan bybeewas uh starting coaching, or was
gonna start coaching and, um, Itold my dad about it and we

(50:27):
went to talk to uh, evan andchad, and then, yeah, uh, we
made the decision to move toEvan as a coach and he's been
coaching me since now so he'sstill coaching you.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
yeah, since now, man, you are in big company, because
Mr John Perkins, I believe, isalso getting coached by Evan?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
yeah, I believe so too, and so far I like it a
staple of athletes over there.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, he's a really good coach and so far I like it.
A staple of athletes over there.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, he's a really good coach.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So now, like you don't have to give away details,
I understand that some of thatstuff is better to be kept
private, but, like, wheneveryou're in like because I saw you
during when you're putting inyour base miles during base
season what are what would belike your biggest week during
base season?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Oh, base season, I think it was almost a thousand
miles.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Oh my gosh, how many hours is that for you?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
It was about 48 hours .

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Oh my gosh, yeah, that's miserable 48 hours.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
It was miserable the last, the last day, the last day
.
It was miserable, the last day,the last day.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
it was miserable, was that during Festive?
Yeah, it was.
It was cold because I rode acouple of those rides with you.
There were parts of them.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
The thing that kept it interesting was the coffee,
and I was always surrounded by agreat group of guys, you and
Paul and Rob.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, Sarah.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Heather Em emerson.
It was always us six.
Sometimes, uh, heather would umnot go because of um work or um
sarah, but it was mostly us sixdoing miles yeah, 48 hours.
That's insane yeah, uh, thegoal goal with me and Paul set a

(52:16):
goal to do 50 hours.
I wasn't able to do 50 hoursbecause my I had I after my bike
, I wasn't properly stretchingor foam rolling, nothing.
I would just get home, eat,sleep.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
That was it.
Well, you were able to do thatwhen you're 18, 20 years old.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, welcome to reality yeah, so uh, my knees
started hurting shocker, yeah Iknow my right knee or I think it
was my oh, it was my left kneestarted hurting and I went to
the doctor for it because it washurting really bad and I and I
couldn't um, I couldn't pedal,it would have hurt every time I
pedal, so I got scared.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I was like I tore something.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I went to the doctor and he told me that I had
tendinitis on my knee.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, weird yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So after Festive Five I was really disappointed in
myself because I couldn't.
I didn't meet the goal that Iwanted to, but at the same time
I had people telling me that itwas a lot for my age.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
It's insane for any age.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And it's an abnormal amount of hours and miles.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
You got to work into that, yeah.
You got to have years into that, yeah yeah, I and some people
just can't do it, like theirbodies are just like.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
More is not better sometimes yeah, and I felt like,
um, my knees started hurtingbecause I wasn't properly doing
things off the bike.
Yep, I was in stretching.
I wasn't foam rolling oranything, I was just sleeping,
that's how you learn, though?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
But for that it caused me to lose fitness.
I think our first race wasCedar Hill with Omnia.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
And at this point.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Omnia brought a new sponsor, the Perks Law Firm, and
they brought a huge amount ofum money, I guess, and they
brought us bikes, equipment,everything and uh, I was kind of
disappointed in myself becauseI wasn't able to perform uh at
that race, but I was able tohelp out the team at cedar hill,

(54:33):
but my knee was still hurting.
Uh, I took him.
So after best of five, I took amonth off the bike.
I couldn't pedal, I couldn'tpush more than, uh, 150 watts
goodness yeah, I was, yeah, Iwas just done yeah I was
disappointed and I wasfrustrated yeah um, but but you

(54:55):
learned.
I learned, I learned.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Before Festive what would be like?
What was like, typicalfoundation week?
Is it like a 20-hour week,25-hour week, Like what was
normal?
Outside of that craziness?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
It was like 15 to 20 hours.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
That's like a base that's when your base hours,
yeah, base that's when your basehours, yeah.
And so whenever you were inyour build phase, um, you know,
say in the springtime, what waslike a normal week look like as
far as hours and stuff uh, so itwould.
Now is like uh, 15 hours soit's kind of where you hang out
at somewhere in that range yeah,and it depends.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
if I have races it will change a lot.
I just try to stay around 13 to15 hours.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Okay, do you enjoy the crits the most, or would you
like to venture into otherthings?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well, I personally don't like crits, I think.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I.
It's just what there is.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, I do it because that's the only thing that
there is, but I enjoy more roadracing circuits.
That's what I like.
I feel like it's more safer andI feel more comfortable there.
But crits, I just do thembecause that's the only thing
that's here, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Do you see since you like the road racing style
things, you know what question'scoming.
Do you see gravel in yourfuture?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I do things.
You know what question's coming.
Do you see gravel in yourfuture?
Uh, I do uh, but I think um, mylimit is the 100k so 60 miles?

Speaker 1 (56:23):
yeah, is it because you don't think you're built for
the long distance, or you justdon't enjoy the long distance?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
uh, I just uh.
I believe that gravel is fununtil it's not that that's a
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
True, that's a hundred.
That's why, when there's twooptions, I take the short one,
because it's like a hundred anda 50 or something like that, or
like an 80 and a 60.
I'm like 60 is perfect, 50 isperfect, cause that's like right
.
When it stops, it starts thingsstart hurting.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
And then I'm done.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, like halfway through, and then you're like I
got two more hours out here.
This is like enough.
This sucks, yeah, um, so, likethe g3, I feel like that's
perfect.
Okay, I feel like that's, uh,the the perfect amount where I
feel good and it's not hurtingme too much but I think there's
enough of those races around atthat.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I mean, clearly everything is going long for
some reason.
I don't understand it, likeyeah, longer is not better.
I don't.
I don't understand why peoplelike race promoters think like
oh, they're doing a hundred, weshould do one, 20.
Oh, you're doing one 20.
We should do one, 50.
I don't understand it.
Like it's weird to me.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
I mean there's people that do it, I mean man let them
.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
But I don't have, I think, said for a 50 to 75 mile
like all out super hard effortyeah, I think that I enjoyed
that.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
But, uh, training wise, I really like, um, like
gravel has grown into me.
Uh, at the beginning I hatedgravel, I didn't want to do
gravel, but now it has grown,I'm seeing new places I I've.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
You can take the whole road you don't have to
stay on one side.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, for sure, uh, especially riding with paul
heather and rob I've been riding, oh, I, I ride with them every
now and then and we just ridechill.
I see new places, see cowsrunning around yeah, yeah, it's,
it's fun.
I like uh, I like uh ridinggravel.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I'm racing only 60, 60 miles, 100k around there so
do you think that's going to bea limiter for if you want to do
like legit road racing?
Because at your level yeahevery road race is like 100 100
miles roughly.
But is it more of a time thingLike cause you guys cover a
hundred miles in like four hours, right?

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Or three and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
And then gravel.
It's not a whole lot differentif it's like 70 miles, like
right.
So, is it a time thing or amile thing that you finally like
, that you don't enjoy at acertain point?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I don't, I've.
Gravel is cause.
Gravel is more of a.
If you get dropped from themain group, it's like a training
ride.
So in road racing it's like you.
Unless you get dropped from themain field, then it's a
training ride.
But most of the time you're inthe field and it doesn't feel

(59:12):
like you're all by yourself.
You're always around somebody.
Yeah, group yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
If you're within, anywhere out the front yeah,
gotcha.
So you, you just don't enjoythat like being stuck out there
by yourself and like this sucksyeah or I just don't.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I just don't like that.
If you get dropped from thefield, from the main field at
gravel you, there's all yourchances of winning it's done.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
There's no coming back.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
In road racing there is a chance that you come back.
If you chase with people, youcan get back to the field and
then you can.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Do you ever see your?
We talked about it before this,yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You are laughing before I can even get it out, do
?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
you ever see yourself wanting to do anything else
besides gravel any otheroff-road activities?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
uh, I don't, I don't, I don't know, I could, like I
said, I could be open to it Imean chad's come to the dark
side.
Yeah, so I mean anything canhappen yeah, uh, I wouldn't mind
trying it, but maybe, taking itserious, like I have a road,
probably not okay, I'll just doit like for fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, local like jump in on, like when rob jumps into
something or chat jumps intosomething, like just the fun
little local races, just to getout and try something new?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
yeah, I probably do like local stuff.
I want to go out of my way andtravel around to do a mountain
bike and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
So, before we get into the yard sale, what's,
what's the end goal?
What's the dream scenario fordempsey?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I would like to make it to europe right
professionally, um, but I wantlike, realistically, I want to
take it as much as far as I canwith cycling and open up the
doors to my little cousins mybrothers that are coming behind
me.
But yeah, that's realistically.

(01:00:59):
But my goal is to make itprofessionally.
But like I said, realistically,I want to take it as far as I
can and open up the doors for mylittle brother and my cousins.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, that's awesome.
I mean, I could see aprofessional Brick Squad team.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
That would be awesome .
And Brick Squad, squad is thatyour dad's company?
Yeah, that's my dad's company.
The name of his company yeah,that is okay so you guys?
What do you guys do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
so let's give dad a plug for anybody that listens so
it's mostly uh paverslandscaping um not landscaping
uh pavers um retaining walls inuh mostly turf or synthetic
grass.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Okay, not building houses.
No, not building houses.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Just pavers retaining walls.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
You guys on Instagram have a website, anything like
that, how do they get a hold ofyou guys?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
My dad's number.
You can reach out to405-922-1504.
Okay, my dad's number.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
so, uh, you can reach out to four or five nine, two,
two, fifteen oh four okay andyeah and or come to wheeler and
yeah, or cheer you guys on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Uh, you can go yeah, or you can go to facebook and uh
, uh, look up brick squad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Okay and you'll, you'll find it okay, they have a
brick squad facebook page.
Yes, for sure gotcha and you'reout there with stuff on, so hit
you up as well.
So, cause you're in betweenriding and racing, you work with
, with, with pops, yeah, with mydad, I'm manual labor.
I love it.
Yeah, put you to work, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Before this I was uh uh uh taking down a brick wall.
Oh, not before today.
You're welcome to get youinside the AC.
That worked, worked out thatworked out well for you today?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
yeah, it was hot today.
I was sweating so hot.
Um well, do you have any any uhraces?
I know you said taking a littlebit of a break.
Do you have anything besideslike g3 planned for the fall and
late summer, or is it just kindof like time to rebuild and get
ready for next season?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
current season uh, so right now I'm taking a mental
break.
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
I feel I'm glad you're doing that smart.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I feel over, I feel drained, so I'm going to
take a break and then build forHeart and Hell, and then Gateway
, and then that'll be it forRoad.
And then start with G3.
And between that do Audacityyeah, for road, okay, and then
start with G3.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And between that do Audacity yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Nice, okay, you still got plenty of racing ahead.
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, all right, these are going to be fun.
Short questions, you don't haveto give long answers.
We just got a few of them, so Ichanged it up a little bit.
But first question what's yourfavorite piece of equipment?

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Uh well, maybe my insulator water bottles.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, this is killing me.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Okay, uh, what brand?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Uh, what is it?
Um, um, what is the uh brandthat has the uh?
A cable pack, a cable pack,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
That's whatable pack.
Yeah, that's what it is.
Um, okay, we haven't had thatone yet.
Um, what's, uh, what's thehighest power number you've ever
recorded?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I think my power meter was off, but it was like.
I think it was like 1500.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
You're right, it sounds low, sounds low.
I don't think your power metersoff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
You could have 1500 um hardest workout you've ever
done oh uh, it's gonna be one ofthose uh over and unders uh
where you I think it's like 125of your uh ftp and then on like
a little bit under your ftp.
Yeah, those are hard you don'tlike those.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, I hate those.
What's your, what's thefavorite ones that you have?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
My favorite ones is probably those 20-minute efforts
.
Oh yeah, so you like the longsustained efforts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Dude gravel is calling you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
That is made for you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Yeah, those 60-mile races are calling me, so you
don't like the short punch hard.
B02, all out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
No, those kill me.
I feel like I can't recoverfast enough and it just hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Yeah, I don't like those either.
Those are stupid.
What's something people thinkare cool but you think is
overrated in cycling?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
I think using the vapor glasses, I think that's
cool, you think it's's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
You think it's cool, I think it's cool.
Okay, uh, what do you?
What is it that?
Uh, you think is dumb.
That people think is really cooluh, I don't really know, think
about that one, because that'sthat always can, because I've
asked this question a couple oftimes and it comes up with a
good answer because people arelike I don't understand why
people do this.
It's so stupid, they think it'sso cool and I just don't.

(01:05:41):
You don't have to call anybodyout, I'm sure there's plenty of
things Perkins does that hethinks is cool that you want to
get them a hard time about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Wait, say that again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Something others think is really cool, that you
think is like overrated, and itcould be a tire, it could be an
equipment piece, it could be anevent, it could be actually, it
could be gravel, for all.
I mean, it could be whatever.
Something everybody's like, oh,this is the best and this is
the coolest, and you're like, no, no, it's really not that cool
I don't know, I can't, I can'tthink of anything.

(01:06:18):
If something comes okay,something comes up.
Let me know um, what's theworst ride or race experience
you've had?
Uh, like where you've justcompletely bonked off the planet
.
Or like we've covered plenty ofwrecks today.
Or like, dude, I got like eightflats this ride.
It was miserable, like one ofthose kinds of days.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I got a couple of them, okay.
So the first one I think it wasa pace band.
I crashed, um, I crashed, uh, Ithink it was one of the worst
crashes I had.
Um, I scraped my right side, myshoulders, all.
I think that I scraped my rightside, my shoulders, all.
I don't even know if I neededstitches for that, but I didn't
go and I don't think it's healedproperly.

(01:07:03):
Oh gosh, yeah.
And then my knee I scratched upmy knee and everything, but,
yeah, paceband was one of them.
And then this past market andmarket ride this Saturday, I
felt like absolute dog water,like every hill we hit.
I was suffering and I don'tknow, probably because all the

(01:07:25):
races I've been doing.
And the day before I didn't getproper sleep because we drove
overnight to get back home.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
So I felt like that could have been it, but I'm not
sure.
But well, that's how I feelevery time I do that, right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
so yeah, I was like I was telling emerson on the way
back, like we got back, uh, fromthat ride and we were just
riding home, uh, we were comingdown 36 and I was like, going 10
miles an hour, I just couldn'tevery pedal stroke hurt and I
was like I am done, leave metotally bopped.
Yeah, I was like leave me, I'mdone.
And he was like let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
And he was like this is going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, he was like he was all smiling and I'm like,
stop smiling I'm the worst, I'mlike you're enjoying this too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Yeah, he was enjoying how much you were miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
And I have terrible friends like that too.
That's awesome, those are goodones.
Well, we know your longest week.
What's the longest ride you'veever done?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I think it was like 189.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yuck.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I was trying to get 200, but you were 11 away.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Why did you stop?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I think it was because my knees started hurting
.
No, actually I think it was 198.
Oh shut up 198.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And it was because you could have coasted for two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I could have, but I just had knee surgery and uh, we
were riding, because I think itwas heather's uh birthday.
We were doing 300 miles in onego and we did that.
I think it was like it was paulmyself, uh, emerson heathers
and sarah I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
One of the bells had to have been involved.
Yes, right up their alley.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, and we were trying to get 300 miles, so we
started at like 4 am.
I believe, and it was supercold.
I think it was snowing that day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
I remember this, I remember watching this unfold,
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
And I called it quits at 198 because my knee started
hurting and it was so cold.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Did any of them make it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
My knee.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
No, any of the right.
Did they finish?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
It was Paul and Heather.
Yeah, I think Heather, notHeather.
Sarah, I think she called it.
Quits around 200.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And then Emerson, I think, called it quits around
250 and then so far, yeah, sofar and then, yeah, it was just
heather and uh, paul, at the endheather's a bad woman, oh yeah,
I'm calling her out right nowagain because, I send her
messages and every time I seeher I'm trying to get her on
here, and she keeps putting meoff.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
So I'm calling her out publicly this time.
Damn, that's, that's a long day.
Um, I guess the one last thingthat I want to touch on that we
talked about a little bit beforewas your biggest victory to
date.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Uh, would have been uh, uh, lago vista, uh-huh.
Um, yeah, I think, uh, I thinkit was just luck.
Honestly, I'd tell everybodythat it was just luck, but
because I honestly think it wasluck Well, clearly not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
You're putting in the time, you're putting in the
effort.
Yeah, you put in your hours andyears, starting from when you
were, you know, 10 years old,nine years old.
So give yourself some credit atthis level that you're at my
level, there's a whole lot ofluck at your level, at my level.
There's a whole lot of luck Atyour level.

(01:11:02):
Yeah, there's lucky breaks, orbeing on the right wheel at the
right time, or this guy had abad day or whatever Like that is
.
In any race, like any sportingevent.
There's a tiny bit of luck inany sporting event.
You're at the level now wherethere's a lot to it, more than
luck to win.
So give yourself some credit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Well, thank you.
For sure, and I think everybodythat knows you and races with
you would probably say the samething thank you.
So walk us through what happeneduh so like I said, cedar hill
was my first race.
My knee was uh still recoveringfrom uh those miles that I put
in uh, so I didn't really knowhow I was uh fit.
Uh.

(01:11:33):
For Vista it was my second raceof the year, I believe, and I
didn't know where my fitness was, where my knee was.
I was out there to help CJ andCJ is like a really skinny dude,
a climber basically, and Ibelieve it was going to be the
race for him.

(01:11:53):
So I just went out there andtried to help him.
I found myself in the break thefirst day and it was three of
us, I believe it was a Unitedguy.
The new team, skyline Canaan.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Skyline.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
It was one of those one of them and myself.
We got in the break, startedrolling.
I think it was like 10 milesonce we got in the break and
then it was like an 80-mile race.
Okay, so we spent 75 miles inthe break.
Oh my gosh, yeah.

(01:12:31):
So we were out there for awhile and I think it was like 10
miles before the finish line.
And 10 miles before the finishline we got caught by another
group of guys who had LucasBurgoyne in there he's a super
strong guy and then some otherguys I don't really remember,

(01:12:55):
but they had a United guy and aSkyline guy in there as well.
So I was the only guy of myteam there and it came down to a
sprint.
It was like six or seven guyssprinting and I was able to get

(01:13:25):
second that day, right behindbehind, uh, luke or lucas or
luke, yeah, whatever, yeah, he,uh, he got first and I was
second that day and so I wassecond in the gc and yeah, um, I
wasn't really expecting that.
And the next day was moreclimbing.
It it was a counterclockwisecircuit and it was more climbing
and, to be honest, I'm a bigguy, I'm 165.

(01:13:47):
And I was like there's skinnyguys here, I am not, so I was
happy with my result that dayand on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
What did you finish on the second day?
Do you remember what place youfinished Second day?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I finished fourth.
Okay, yeah, so I was.
I got in a break again.
I don't know how they let me go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Weird.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
I know I was in a break with the third place guy.
I think his name was Gabe orhis name is Gabeabe, uh, gabe,
uh caesar david and, uh, tenorward.
Okay, I believe in some otherguys.
I don't remember their name,but I was in in a break with

(01:14:31):
them and we spent again, uh, Ithink it was like more than 80%
of the race in the break andthen it came down to like 15
miles to go.
Tanner Ward attacked.
He went off solo.
Nobody could follow him.
Super strong guy he went.

(01:14:51):
So then I just stayed on myrhythm.
I stayed with the group.
Nobody followed Tanner Ward,nobody followed a tender war,
and I just had a watch for Gabe,because he was a third in GC
and I just had to get him.
Get him on the line, basicallyhad me in front of him and the

(01:15:11):
good thing that Burgoyne wasn'tin the break.
He was was in the field and Ibelieve he was trying to chase
back or trying to bridge to thebreak, but he never got there
and we rotated well until likefive miles to go where David

(01:15:35):
attacked and I couldn't follow.
Gabe tried to attack but then Ilike my legs were at the limit
but I knew I couldn't let him go, so like I had to chase him
back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
So when that happens, just from from being on the
outside of these things andalways wondering the dynamic of
what they're actually feeling ina race of these things, and
always wondering the dynamic ofwhat they're actually feeling in
a race, when something likethat happens in your like this,
I know, like you're are you evenlooking at power numbers or
heart rate at that point?
because you, it doesn't matterwhat they say yeah because you
got to either be there or you,or you're not there, like so you
pay attention to that stuff, oryou're just like I gotta go,

(01:16:12):
he's going, I gotta go, itdoesn't matter if I blow up or
not.
Or do you look at your numbersand pay attention to that as
well?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
no, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
I rarely look at my uh computer when I'm racing,
okay uh, so because it's justout of like, I either got to do
it or I don't yeah, I go byfeeling I don't really pay
attention to my numbers with him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
You're willing to go until you blew yeah, pretty much
like it's either him or methat's gonna go out, and so he
didn't go.
I chased him back and thennobody would.
It was just cat and mouse atthat point with everybody,
because David or Tanner Ward wasup the road and he was just
flying on the pedals like gone.

(01:16:53):
And then David was, we couldsee him.
It was like 200 meters from us,so we could see him.
It was like 200 meters the uhfrom us, so we could see him.
But I just didn't have the legsto bridge to him in, to drop
everybody, right, uh, because,like I said, everybody's strong
as you, if not stronger.
So, uh, I just I was justhanging there with the team or

(01:17:13):
with a team, with a group, uh,and I was just marking, uh, gabe
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
It's the only one you cared about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yeah, that's all um and he attacked again and um, I
chased him back and then, uh, Iwas like all right, let's see
what he has.
So I attacked and he chased meback, so I was okay we're even,
we're even yeah so I was likeall right, well, and we uh made
it to the, to the 200 meters togo, I think, and it ended like

(01:17:44):
on a downhill.
It was like downhill and thenthey went up for a bit and it
was like a long drag to thefinish, uh.
So then I went as soon as wehit the little hill to get to
that drag to finish.
I sprinted, I gave everything Ihad and I didn't look back.

(01:18:06):
And then this guy I don't knowhis name, but he passes me right
on the line, and then I justthrow my bike and I find out
that Gabe, I think he ended up,uh, I think, six behind.
Uh, caesar, okay, so, um, I, Ibasically I was still you got

(01:18:27):
some space, yeah points.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, a little bit yeah, so I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
So I was like all right, I got second on gc,
that's that's all that matters.
I didn't know how back um we'regoing.
What's going to be, right,right.
So I just sat there and waited,mm-hmm.
And then I see the field come,burgoyne goes, and I think he
got eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Okay, and then what's the last day?
It was just two days.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
It was just two days.
It was just two days, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
So you knew it was going to be close.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Yeah, so I knew it was going to be close, but I
didn't know how close it wasgoing to be, or if I got the,
the win or not.
So then, uh, I see, heather,she comes, she comes and talks
to me and we talk a little bitand then she goes to check the
result, because I didn't want tocheck I was, I was I was like
nervous and I was like whatever,like what, what happens,

(01:19:14):
happens.
I gave it everything I had like,and then, um, I think she, she
comes back like excited, she'slike I know who won.
And then I was like, if it'snot me, don't tell me.
And then she showed she, uh,doesn't tell me, she shows me.
And then, yeah, it was.
I think it was like a two pointor one point cap.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah, it was really that's awesome.
So two last follow-up questionson this, because this is my
favorite part of the races andthe information that I love the
most.
So, first off, did they pay outeach day, and then an omnium on
top of that, I don't know, orGC on top of that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I think it was just.
I don't think they paid GC thatday.
Okay, it was just each stageindividually't pay.
I don't think they paid gc thatday.
Okay, it was just each stageindividually.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Yeah, um, and then do you guys because it's always
interesting how teams work doyou guys, whenever y'all go to
like dairy land or tulsa toughor whatever, do you guys put the
money into the pot andeverybody splits it.
That's there.
Or do you guys the winner getsmore?
How do you guys do it as a team?

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
uh, so we put it as a pot and everybody gets a split.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Yeah, basically yeah, that's always interesting.
I think that's pretty much howmost people do it from what I
hear.
And then the last question Ihad about that race Whenever you
guys are racing and you're in abreak or you're in the group,
is anybody talking?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
You guys talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
So when you're in the break and you're rolling hard,
are you guys like talking at all, or is it pretty quiet and
everybody just knows what to do?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Uh, sometimes everybody knows what to do, but
uh, sometimes, uh, I I tend totalk uh like it's a uh.
When I was in a break with uhDavid, he, uh, he's basically
built like a climber and on theclimb he was, uh, really like
going hard and I was suffering.
So I would like tell him tolike, take it easy If you, if

(01:21:05):
you want the break to go, like,uh, don't go too hard and just
keep it smooth, basically, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
So that's so.
You guys communicate how towork together.
Okay, when you're in the groupand the guys are up the road, is
anybody communicating aboutwhat we should do?
Or is anybody, since you guysare up the road, is anybody just
BSing because, like we know,the race is over?
Or is everybody still prettyquiet and just like not really
saying something, unless there'sa tactic?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
So I tend to talk more with my, with the team, and
if there's a break up the roadwould like talk, or I'll ask if,
if we are represented in that.
If we're not, then we shouldtry to be so.
You're talking tactics, you'renot basically yeah, basically
like that, and if we havesomebody there then we're just
like talking whatever nonsense?

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
yeah, pretty much.
I always wondered that becauseI always think see that when I
see a race, I'm like are theytalking about?
Like what they want to do fordinner tonight?
Or like somebody's cool bike orkit, or like just shooting the
breeze about whatever?
Or are they like does anybodyever get mad and yell at each
other in the groups?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Oh yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Especially in the crits.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
huh yeah, especially in the crits, Like if you cut
somebody off or like dive bomb acorner?
Yeah, they'll usually get mad.
Do you dive bomb uh corner?
Yeah, they'll usually get mad.
Do you laugh?
Is it funny?
Uh, it's not funny, becausewell, is it funny?

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
well, is it funny when nobody crashes and
everybody's just yelling atsomebody?
Uh, because I think I wouldfind that extremely hilarious.
If I was riding next somebodyand somebody was like another
man was flat out yelling atanother man right in front of me
, I would laugh because that'sfunny.
Like what he did isn't funny.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Yeah, but it's funny yeah, I don't, I haven't laughed
, I just like, I just keep tomyself all right, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Uh-huh yeah, but has anybody yelled at you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
yet?
Uh, no, not yet, but I'm prettysure it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
It's coming.
You do enough races.
It's coming.
Have you yelled at anybody yet?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
uh, no, I haven't, but uh, I know emerson has.
Yeah, he uh yelled at acollegian guy because, um, I, I
don't know what happened, but hewas like coming in too close.
So Emerson like bumped into himand like he basically like
elbowed him and then told him tonot do that, did he yell at him
in Spanish or English.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I don't remember, because it would be even better
if you guys just let it rip onsomebody and they had no idea
what you were saying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
That would be even fun, that would be funny.
But I don't know why he said hejust told me that he, like he
yelled at somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yeah, I was like uh, I'm always now there's.
That's the kind of stuff that Ialways want to know, like what
is going on behind the scenes,oh yeah uh, at dairy land there
was like a little lull at in thein the in the field.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
So then he, and then a guy behind me.
He was right, it's time to takea drink.
So then he grabbed his bottleand took a drink and just and I
thought that was hilariousbecause, everyone was going slow
and he was like time to take adrink.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Yeah, we're not going to do anything.
So I thought that was funny.
That's really good, cool.
Well, is there anything elsethat you, about anything you got
coming up or mention?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
um, not really I.
I couldn't think of that onequestion.
You said I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
No answer all right, well, if you think about it, let
me know.
Okay, we'll put it in the intro.
Okay, man, I appreciate youtaking time to do this.
I'm glad I got you out of theheat for the day thank you,
appreciate it yeah, so if weneed to do like round two, three
and four, just let me know onthe days that's hot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
yeah, tomorrow we.
Tomorrow We'll tell dad.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Oh, come in, Cause I'm recording my hustle work
tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Daddy needs my help.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
I'm sorry yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Awesome.
I appreciate you coming anddoing this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Thank you for having me Awesome.

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