The Random Show w/ Alan White & Chris Drummond

In this episode, we delve into the exciting happenings in the Oklahoma cycling scene, filled with updates on new races and community initiatives. Our discussions highlight the importance of supporting local sponsorships and providing insights for upcoming events.

• Overview of the current cycling vibe in Oklahoma 
• Recap of past races and shared anecdotes 
• Importance of community support in cycling 
• Details on upcoming races, including TdD, GCXC, and Mid-South 
• Encouragement for listeners to engage with local initiatives 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is up Cycling Oklahoma?
Thank you so much for tuning infor another fun episode of Dumb
and Dumber and Dumberist orwhatever you want to call us.
These conversations are alwaysso much fun and really, truly
they are just a way for thethree of us guys to get together
and BS and have a beer and talkand laugh.
And we do go over all theexciting things that are

(00:22):
happening in Oklahoma cycling.
We cover all the races that arecoming up.
I mean it is race season herein Oklahoma.
Things are really kicking offbetween mountain bike and crits
are starting soon and it's justhot and heavy soon and coming
hard.
So we're we're really excitedabout all the things that are
that are coming up.
We cover, you know, really,some of the new races that are
happening.
We go over some courses andtalk about those.
So if you are doing any of theraces coming up, you might

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really want to pay attentionbecause there's some good
insight here Cover Mid-South andwhat's happening there.
There is some fun, excitingdetails that are happening with
the course that we cover.
But it's a really, really funepisode and I really enjoy
hanging out and these dudes andtalking and just BS and laughing
.
So I hope you enjoy theseepisodes as much as we do.

(01:07):
We did not roast anybody inthis episode, but we do lay the
groundwork for roasting peoplein the next time, so you'll hear
how and why that mightpotentially be happening, but I
hope you enjoy this.
It's super fun.
If you want to be on thepodcast, please let me know.
I hope you enjoy this.
It's super fun.
If you want to be on thepodcast, please let me know.

(01:31):
We are always looking forsponsors for this because we
have some really fun andexciting things that we're
trying to get off the ground.
And do you know?
All that money goes back intogetting podcast equipment,
paying for the hosting of thepodcast and the website and all
that kind of stuff.
If there is any extra moneythat goes back into the
community for races orsponsorships to races or prems
or anything that we can do tomake the race scene and cycling
scene in Oklahoma better, itdoes not go into my pocket.
I promise you that.

(01:52):
So if you want to sponsor anyof the things that we do the
videos that we're puttingtogether this year, the podcast
or anything in between pleaselet me know.
We do are doing the greatgravel state championship.
We do need some sponsorshipsfor that because we have some
really cool things that we'redoing inside of that event.
So the details will be comingout of that soon.
Um, so, if you have some extrabucks and want to throw it this

(02:14):
direction, we can put it to useand making the cycling in
Oklahoma, uh, better and betterand better, and let's continue
to grow this.
I do want to thank our sponsorsso much.
Uh, oklahoma mountain bikeassociation.
Uh, ride ombaorg is the website.
Uh, man, they are crushingtrail work days.
If you want to get involved,please go and help and volunteer

(02:34):
and do a trail work day.
I will admit I still have notdone that.
I am slacking.
That will happen soon aspossible.
But, uh, oklahoma mountain bikeassociation is a phenomenal
group.
They take care of the trailsall over our amazing state and,
uh, without them doing what theydo, we don't get to enjoy the
sports that we get to enjoy.
So go sign up with ride.

(02:55):
Oh, mba, it's 50 bucks a year.
People, you ride all thesetrails for free all the time.
Donate $50 to them, help themwith their trail building, help
them with their trailmaintenance, all those kinds of
things, volunteer time.
If you don't have the $50, Itotally get it, but we really,
really need to support thisgroup, ride ombaorg.
They're a phenomenal group.
They do phenomenal things, soplease check them out.

(03:16):
And we have a new sponsor.
I'm super excited about this oneOil filter company.
So what did they do, you mayask.
They sell oil filters, plainand simple.
Taylor Jones, phenomenal dude.
I've known Taylor for a really,really long time.
He probably doesn't wantanybody to tell him and rat him
out that I started coaching himthrough multi-sport.

(03:36):
So Taylor has a multi-sportbackground, but he loves racing
cross.
You see Taylor out thereAbsolute, phenomenal dude.
Great family, his dad, his wife, his kids Like they're awesome.
Walter, his amazing dog, butthe oil filter company, taylor
has taken over this business andis really trying to grow it and

(03:57):
make some changes there and dosome phenomenal things, and Ryan
Drummond works there with himas well.
So Taylor is in our community.
He is, you know, employing ouramazing racers that are up and
coming in our community and heis giving back to the podcast
and supporting us.
So let's support him.
It doesn't matter what you'relooking for, but a lot of what

(04:19):
they do is commercial.
So if you have fleet trucks, ifyou have heavy equipment, if
you have, like you, own land andyou have tractors and all the
things on your own personal land, they can give you what you
need and what you want.
So oil filter company phonenumber is 405-232-3411,
405-232-3411.
Reach out to Taylor Jones.

(04:41):
If you do know him, reach outto me, I'll connect you guys.
But if anybody out there and Iknow you are we have some heavy
equipment users out there, somemanagers, some fleet managers,
all that stuff in the cyclingcommunity reach out to Taylor,
see if he can give you a pricequote, see if he can do some
good for you, because we reallywant to support him in this new

(05:01):
business adventure that he's onand trying to grow his business.
As he supports us, we need tosupport him.
So, taylor, thank you so much.
Oil Filter Company.
They're right here in OklahomaCity over on Southwest 3rd, so
they're very local, very easy toget to, to pick up in a pinch
for what your heavy equipmentneeds or your fleet vehicles
need.
So reach out to him again.
405-232 one.

(05:23):
Thank you guys.
So much for listening.
Um, again, cycling Oklahomacomfollow for all the things and I
cannot say thank you enough and,uh, we'll talk to you guys next
time.
Oh, also, last thing, I'm movingthe podcast to a new platform.
So if you don't get it throughSpotify or, uh, apple, uh,
itunes, you may not be able tofind it in the future episodes

(05:46):
after this one.
So it will all be better foreverybody.
Sound quality, all the thingsare going to be so much better
with this new platform.
But you may not be able todownload it everywhere.
So I will work on trying to getit everywhere, but as of now
it's probably going to be oniTunes and Spotify.
So if you've listened to thispodcast somewhere else and you

(06:07):
need me to put it there, let meknow.
I will find it, I will get itposted there, but the big
platforms is where it's going tobe found going forward, at
least for a while.
So thank you guys so much.
I greatly appreciate it andwe'll talk to you next time.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
A 165 mil.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Hold on, save it.
We're a 165 mil, hold on, saveit.
We're recording.
This is oh yeah, this isawesome.
Um so, gentlemen, we are back.
Uh, we haven't done a dumb anddumber and dumber.
How long has it been?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
before christmas.
Yeah, yeah christmas?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
yeah, I think so we didn't get banned.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's good, and it's more canceled or canceled?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
We probably got canceled, we just don't know it.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
We're too old to realize we got canceled Nobody's
listening.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
It's hard to get canceled when it's just us that
listen to them.
The two people listen in theircar.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly, I don't even listen, I just edit
them and move on.
Well, we really don't know whatwe're going to talk about, so
we kind of randomly threw thislist together.
Let's start with the old racesthat we haven't covered.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And then we'll get into the hot takes.
Let's do it.
I mean, we didn't even put itout for hot take questions, so
any hot take topics that you canthink of between now and then.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Make a note of it, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, okay.
So races that have happenedsince we did this last we had
the six hour, I don't know.
I think that Arcadia six hourhappened.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh yeah, I don't know if that happened before or
after we did our last episode.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
That was after, that was in January.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I don't think we talked about it.
We talked about it.
We talked about it coming up.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Okay, yeah, I did that it was a good one.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah, it was a fun course Iwatched.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
That counts.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
You did come out, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
You did.
Yeah, thank you for yoursupport.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You even sort of cheered for me at one point.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I cheered a lot of people on, we got fourth.
Did you guys really?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
We had no business getting out of four.
No, I think there was 20 inthat group.
Yeah, Billy and I at one pointwere like, oh shit, we're going
to have to actually like pushthis a little bit.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
You missed the podium on purpose, didn't?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
you Get out of the cold.
Yeah, it was cold.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
It was.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh dude, that day was cold.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Because that was my goal, was to stay with you guys.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I did a good job of it.
You were with us for a littlebit Until I quit, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
And then I was like man, I've had enough.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's the best part about six hours.
If you don't really care, it'sjust like my back hurts a little
bit.
I'm going to do one more lapnow that I hurt and then I'm
done yeah, that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, it was interesting because, like they
would change the course midwaythrough the race.
Don't know if I'm a fan of thatI, I agree.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I I liked it and didn't like it good idea it was
a good idea.
It was fun super different.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
What did they change?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
the going up the hill up to the water tower yeah okay
, they had two routes and so youdidn't know which way it was
going to be open when you wentby.
So it kind of gave yousomething new to think about.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Each time yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
So I wasn't opposed to it.
Did they change it back andforth?
Yeah, yeah, and you didn't knowwhen.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So your lap times were different based on.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Not a ton, but a little bit yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
And then on the downhill, and then at first you
get two choices on the downhillyou only had the left choice
right, and then they opened upthe right side, yeah, which was
way faster because way fasterbecause you came all of a sudden
.
You appeared out of nowherebehind me and I'm like wait a
second, like left open as anoption, yeah, yeah going down I
don't know about that yeah, yeah, the climb?

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I don't think.
Well, actually, the climb was alot different from pre-riding
it as far as time, if it wereleft open, but I guess, if
everyone has to go the same way,it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, and it was the same per lap.
I mean for the most part.
I mean all the leaders were onthe same spot yeah.
But it was fun kind ofdifferent.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, different.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, coming down.
I'm like man Brantley.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh, when he had shit so bad, so bad, like in midair,
he tried to do it Were youbehind him.
Yes, okay, I was in one spot infront of him yeah, because it
was you, then Brantley, then me,and it was the sort of
whoop-de-doo up down into thatwooden bridge and you, like you

(10:27):
railed it and I'm like, okay,good, we're carrying speed
through this.
And the next thing I seebrantley's in the air and not,
yeah, he and his bike separate,and I'm like this is not ending
well, I heard it and I was like,but I knew there was like a
line of you guys behind him,you're behind us.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm like I'm not gonna stop and look.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I can't stop and look .
I don't do well with that stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
The sound that I heard, I was like I don't want
to stop and look.
So I just kind of kept goingand I slowed down to see if I
could hear anything.
That was like, oh shit, we needstraight attention.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
And I didn't hear that, so I just kept going.
He checked himself out and gotup and slow rolled it for a bit
yeah no, but it was bad becauseit was his first, that's right
yeah and it was the first lapyeah, but it was in slow motion,
one of those.
Oh, that's not gonna end, well,no it didn't sound like it

(11:20):
ended.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
oh, I got so pissed before I knew that they had
opened up that right line.
I was taking the left line andI saw some old man who was I
don't even know.
I say old man, I'm an old man,but I saw him come flying down
that right side and I was likethat cheating bastard, he's
cutting the course, so pissed.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Oh, I was so mad for like two laps it was good race,
Good course Not this time I did.
When we got to the top and runto that corner, I made a point
to like stick my head around andmake sure there was not a cable
across there.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I think I'm out something.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, you did that's right yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
I didn't happen this time that was great.
I think my big surprise wasPerkins.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Perkins was pretty good, he crushed he didn't get
his head too big.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
He did good in that race.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
He had a few sketchy corners.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
He's still riding that high.
I think let's go ahead and bumphim down real quick, because he
was supposed to do the six hour, oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
And then he no-showed it, yeah, and did the three
Three.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
So it doesn't really count.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
His lap times were good and riding with him.
Like you can see, like the rawpower is there.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
But it's like man, you put so much effort, like
yeah, which is impressive, hemade it three hours, yeah.
Yeah, that's hard when you workso much harder than everybody
else yeah I mean, he really rodesix hours in that three hours
yeah, he really did.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
He really did.
It's like man, if you get thetechnical side of this dialed in
, you're gonna be good but hashe ridden his mountain bike
since?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
no, uh, he hasn't because I worked on it this week
.
He said I haven't ridden thissince arcadia there you go now I
.
I was really disappointed.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
He says he's gonna ride it tomorrow oh we'll see we
will awesome well, I think, andthen okay, so going from that
six hour into the thunderbird Idid not go.
I was out town, so I wasn'table to make that.
Beautiful day, was it?
Oh yeah, it was perfect weather, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was great, it wasgreat.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Charles was actually a little dry because it rained
that week a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, really.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
But yeah, I got by mid-race, it got loose.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Because I was really hoping it was going to get
canceled again so I could rideit.
It's all the rain.
I was like, yeah, dog, it wasfun.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's normally a little cold that day.
It's manageable, but it wasreally good, good it was like
short sleeves.
I wore long sleeves for myfirst.
I did two laps that Aubrey wasgoing to do too.
I wore long sleeves and we gotto the start line and I was like
I'm going to be hot.
I was like.
I wish I would have worn theshort sleeve but yeah, it was
great when you're at the startline and you're not cold.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, that's not a good sign.
You're like I've overdressed.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, none of the shivers before you head into the
trees is bad news.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, Whose laps were faster?
Yours or Aub's?
Mine Yours or Aub's Mine.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
By much.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, attaboy Still got it.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
She had fast laps, yeah, she had good laps, yeah,
but I had the fastest.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
I set the KOM.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Did they give a prize for the?

Speaker 4 (14:37):
KOM?
No, they didn't.
But I was going out first andmy goal was to try to get us a
big lead.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Did you guys win the overall team?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Maybe, maybe, I don't know, I didn't look at that,
probably had to have been close.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't know who was the individual, that winner Of
the solo oh Rai Rai Right, andthen him and Rob battled.
Yeah, I looked at the lap times.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
They were battling all day it got pretty
interesting.
Ryan McMahon was with him.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
He's gotten so strong he is strong yeah.
He's really strong.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Because Ryan took off on the start and I'm like all
right, trees, I told him to letme buy Cause he was going fast,
but I was like all right, I cango faster than this.
For for two laps, right, um,and the three of those.
I think someone else might'vebeen with them, but it ended up
being those three for a longtime.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Firefighter Barrett.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Was he up there?
He was in the second group.
The first time I saw there wasa second group of like tanner,
barrett, uh, hodges was in itand somebody else, but it ended
up being those three for, Iwould say, two and a half hours,
and then, uh, then they droppedmcmahon.
He was having to stop and gethis own feeds, though so he was
having to stop and chase back on, I think.
And then Ryan, I would say maybelike three and a half four
hours in, rob came by by himselfand said Ryan was having
stomach issues.
And I'm like I really didn'tthink, ryan, his goal was to win

(16:14):
it.
And I was like man, he doesn'tyou know, he was coming off
cross season and he rode forlike a week or two and was like
fired up to win this race andI'm like I won't say you can't
but like I know who you're goingup against and I know where his
fitness level's at, um.
And then, uh, yeah, ryan hadlost a lot of time because of

(16:35):
that.
And then he came through andthey you know I wasn't seeing
every lap because I was out someand he was like two minutes
down on rob, like he had startedto bring it back.
And then the next lap he camethrough and he was probably he
was two or three minutes up onRob.
Wow, holy crap.
And Rob, rob was coming apart,though Rob had done a road race
the day before too.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
But he was at that point, he was having Issues, he
was having a bad day by thatpoint and Ryan was.
I think Ryan was hurting butmotivated yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
It's impressive they were able to put in a hard six
hours when coming off a crosstraining.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I mean I don't think he had done a ride over
three hours in a long time.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's good to see someone to be young.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Motivation goes a long way, especially when you've
got somebody right there, likeyou know that he's right there
and we felt bad after the factbecause Rob came through and he
looked.
You know they could do one morelap, but the time was close and
he's like what's the gap toRyan?
And we told him two minutes andhe looked bad.
I was like man looking at him Iwas like yeah, he's probably not

(17:42):
catching my Ryan.
So looking at him I was likeyeah, he's probably not catching
my Ryan.
And he asked and I'm like man,he's still motivated, but he was
asking us the gap to McMahonbecause he wanted to pull out.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
And it was like 20 minutes.
Oh gosh.
And after we're just talking,and Rob was sitting next to me.
He's like well, that would havebeen good to know.
And I'm like and it all clicked.
I was like oh, that's what youmeant.
I gave you the wrong math, yeahbecause he was in.
He was in a bad way because hecould have stopped and ryan
wouldn't have made it no way tothe, because there was only like
there was less than 10 minutesleft on the clock.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Oh god so he did a whole, not for nothing he was
buried, oh that sucks, he'd getwhat you pay for.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
That's awesome.
Well, I think it's probablygreat for Rob to have somebody
to push him on the mountain bike.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah because I thought for sure he would.
I was like Ryan's going to blowup at some point, he's going to
run out of fitness.
It just doesn't make sense thatyou can do that.
But yeah, you helps a lot.
Motivation helps a lot.
Yeah, Um, he's got some biggoals around marathon type stuff
this year.
So he was I think he was reallylike wanting to prove to
himself he could do it, so hecould then go on to the next

(18:59):
things.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, it's fun drum and sweep.
Did it about time for you guysto move back to arkansas.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
No shit, the good thing, it doesn't matter to us
right, we don't care.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, not our problem , nope yeah, sucks to be sucks
to be fast for those guys yeahyeah, um, okay.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
So I think that's a recap of what has happened.
Oh, grode, oh yeah yeah, grodio, I did not do it?
Did you guys do grodio?
You did?
I was supposed to do it withyou possibly.
Yeah, I just said I don't wantto.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah we ended up just three of us me, billy and iron
we were.
We had a fourth we bailed thosethree stooges, oh my god and
here listen, here was theagreement we made was look,
we're not going to go out andkill this, we're just gonna like
ride it and have fun, and notfive minutes in aaron's on the
front just pinning it apps.

(19:51):
And we start I think we startedlike sixth or seventh team, but
we start picking teams off andall of a sudden we're up there
in second place and I'm like weknow like like this is not, like
this is not the pace, it's abad idea, and we're probably eh,
it was about 20, 25 miles.

(20:11):
In was when Rob and theSifuentes came past us and I
said, yep, okay, we're done.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, calm down now.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
No, billy and Aaron were still on it and I kept
telling them look, my motor isdone here sometime your actual
e-bike motor, yeah no, no, no,my, my physical motor physical
yeah, what there is is done inthe next 10 or 15 miles, sure
shit.
We hit mile 40 and I blew upthat finish stretch is not, oh

(20:40):
my god, I told chad afterwardsthat last sort of handful of
miles in as some of the hardestI've ever done.
It was like just relentlesscourse.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
I mean, I just did a short version of it.
Yeah, with Billy and Aaron thatone day and he was like yeah,
this will be the finish and allthis stuff.
And I was like yeah if the windsucks.
This is going to be brutal.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, the wind going to be brutal.
Yeah, the wind was windy too.
Yeah, and it and like comingback.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
It was a headwind coming.
Yeah, it's like, oh, theheadwind straight down every one
of those hills.
Yeah, it is a non-stop rollersyeah like eight miles.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, the biggest one's the last one yes we did it
on a team with like uh, abbychill brisky yeah sarah bell and
Judson strong and she came inand I could.
I could see it in her face whenshe rolled in.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm like, yeah, she didn't have a good day.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
And then she's like I hate this.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
She rolled up.
She's like I hate this, I'mnever.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'm never doing gravel.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And we high fived it.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Vanessa's got a picture of us handshaking on it
that we quit gravel.
That's awesome.
She's just like I keep samewith me.
She's like I keep doing theseand I just I don't like this.
What is the distance that shedoesn't like?
I don't, I don't know what shedoesn't like I mean I think it's
just the whole thing, just notto both of us.
It's not fun like there'snothing about it.
That's fun for us.
Why is that?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I've done them and I'm just like, but you'd go on
like a three or four hour roadride and that would be fun.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, I think it's just the.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
There's no recovery, it's just relentless.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, yes, there's no recovery.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's like a triathlon to me, yeah, where you have to
be on the path, the whole time.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I'm probably riding hard.
I think a lot of people enjoyit.
They just want to get out getscenery and ride Yep, and I just
never enjoy riding that way,gotcha, and so if I'm riding
hard then it's hard.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't know, it's real hard.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, I think road riding or mountain biking for
that long is fun.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Even in a mountain bike race you can recover.
Yeah, like there's spots, youcan sort of like hey, I can
recover here for a little bitbecause even if it's flat or
slightly downhill and gravel,you still have the the gravel
right, you're still putting onpower, yeah I don't know, I just
don't enjoy it, and apparentlyshe doesn't.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's awesome I mean , I rode the first g3 with her
until she's like I've had enoughof this bs.
She was not.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
She pretty much did not have a lot of fun the entire
day yeah she was she wasbattling a shoulder injury then
too, so that was like she didn'thave that this this time, but
she just, she all healed up yeah, okay, good, and she starts her
season fairly quickly.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, they gotta be starting.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I want to say april, okay, it's, it's much later than
normal but yeah, interesting,okay, pretty soon that
four-person, that team format isawesome at Grodio.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Four people's tough.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
I don't know when you took off, but there was a team.
I don't know everybody's nameon it, but I know Basil was on
it, if you know Basil and KyleHicks.
There's a team of four.
I see three of them.
You know that littleneighborhood there they go.
They go West to like warm up onthat road and I I hear the guy

(23:54):
on the mic telling the one leftlike they're they're counting
down the team to take off andthese guys are down the road
warming up.
And so he's like well, I guessuh are down the road warming up.
And so he's like, well, I guessuh go and, you know, find your
teammates, and they, they starttrickling back in.
They didn't give a shit, youknow they they're like oh,
whatever.
So they take off and and thenthey all come back separate and

(24:16):
like oh yeah, I dropped them.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's like that's not how this race.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, they had their own race, they came in like
several minutes

Speaker 2 (24:23):
apart all of them like singles rolling.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
We saw a few of those out there and even minutes
apart, all of them like singlesrolling we saw a few of those
out there on some of the windyheadwind sections.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
You're like wait, those are individuals by
themselves.
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I will throw Perkins under the bus for this, because
I did it with him last year.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And that mofo he just took off.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
No only about 20 yards the entire day.
Awesome the entire day and I,for whatever reason, was having
a terrible day on the bike.
Yeah, like as soon as we tookoff, we go out of the little
addition, we turn right and thenthat first intersection you
turn left and it was up thatlike little beat and I was like
my heart rate's 180 already it'snot good.
And we were like a mile in andit didn't get better.

(25:04):
And then he decided tobasically like race himself.
Yeah so it was awful and but he,he would stay about 20 yards in
front of us and look back at usthe whole time, Like we're
trying to chase him down.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Like listen asshole like if you would just calm down
and ride back, come back to us.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
We like if you would just calm down and come back to
us, we could all go a lot fasterwork together.
Yeah, as soon as we got donewith that, I was like you're the
worst teammate I've ever had inmy entire life in any sport.
You're my worst teammate.
I'm not doing this with youagain awesome yeah, yeah, and he
did.
He just whooped my ass all day,it was awful, and his own yeah,
oh man, he made me hurt so bad.
It was awful.
Yeah, terrible teammate, greatguy noted yeah, yeah great
individual terrible teammate,terrible teammates uh-huh, I was

(25:52):
just waiting for the off thefront, off the back to come out,
so I could really just give hima lot of shit never, went off
the back which ate me up inside.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, for a lot of reasons I was like damn it we
went and did a last year, theyear before the mother road
gravel race up in Tulsa and itwas one of Perkins first gravel
races and he went to the frontand like he pinned it like just,
and there's a group of 15 of usbehind him and we all learn.

(26:23):
But he was like I'm just goingto sit on the front whole damn
time here and it's like Perkins,you know, there's other people
here right.
Like let them do it.
Yeah, like come sit back here.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
It's way easier.
But I feel really good rightnow and that's like.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I feel great.
Ten minutes later it's likewhoop gone.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Sugar, you can go, yeah, bless him, bless him.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
good thing he's a sweet boy, yes, um okay, so well
, who?

Speaker 4 (26:53):
ended up winning that .
The usual uh rob and uh sopoint does it all.
Yeah, they came in they weresmoking started last game they
had a flat because they did aflat selfie and came in way
ahead yeah we were in thereeating pizza when they came in,
and then it was a while beforeanybody else came in Sounds
right, I guess race is coming up.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
We got the new mountain bike series coming up,
starting in Tulsa on the 9th ofMarch Hell's Bells.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Have you guys done that race?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
No, but I'm going to try to go early next week and
ride it.
It's so much fun.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Where's it?
At Bells Park done that race?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
no, but I'm gonna try to go early, it's so much fun.
Where's it?
At um bells park, it's like intulsa, yeah it's like, uh,
highway 75 and seven.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
You know where, you know where turkey's at yeah like
if you were to get off.
I think it's on 71st to go toturkey yeah just go the other
way oh, really huh yeah, it's asmall park and short laps, but
it's it's really fun.
You just it's like a downhill,kind of rocky, technical for
half of a lap and you get to thebottom and then you climb back
up.
Then you kind of do a looparound a like a ball field.

(27:53):
Yeah, and then back in.
It's like several laps of ashort course.
Um, it's bumpy, it's not bad,it's rocky cause it's Tulsa, but
mean I, I did it on my hardtaillast year and it wasn't abusive
okay, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Is it enough rocks to keep?

Speaker 4 (28:09):
people honest.
Yeah, I mean for sure it's ifyou, if you're not good at rocks
, you'll struggle if you're goodat rocks, you'll benefit.
If you're not, you'll struggle.
But it's not like old turkey orkeystone.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Those were awesome.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Speaking of pre-ride, I can plug this I'm doing for
the first three races with thatseries.
I'm doing guided pre-rides onSaturday.
Whoa With my coaching businessso talked to Ray about it
yesterday.
I've got a flyer I haven't gotput out yet, so that'll be out
by the time this is posted.
But I'll do noon roughly.

(28:43):
We're assuming the courses aregoing to be ready on Saturday.
But yeah, noon I'll do abeginner pre-ride, a no drop
pre-ride, kind of go overfeatures, teach people how to
ride things if they're havingtrouble with them.
Line selection, cornering,stuff like that nice and then
around two, we'll do an advancedone.
Nice, so if you're just going upthe day before, yeah want to

(29:03):
ride the course and then wantsome pointers.
I'm doing that, no charge.
It's just part of the event,that's cool.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, we'll plug that for sure.
I think the series is going tobe great.
I mean, we did an episode on itand I'm so bummed that the
audio sound came out so shittyand I was so mad about that, but
you can still hear everything.
Yep, I'm super excited aboutwhat they got going up there.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's pretty cool, it is yeah and it's not.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I mean it.
It's not competition, but it iscompetition.
Just call it what it is yeah,it is competition to tour the
dirt, but I think it's going tomake tour the dirt better choice
is always a good thing.
Always, it makes everybody workharder it's everybody better, I
think, tour the dirt's, makingsome changes that are going to
be great, yep, and I mean Idon't think it's like see who
wins out.
I think if, once that all thedust settles and everybody

(29:49):
figures out their lane and theirangle I think it's going to be
freaking awesome for the stateand so

Speaker 2 (29:54):
much racing somebody somewhere will figure out how to
race both series.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, somebody I mean I pitched this idea to ray for
the pre-ride thing likeyesterday, because I was like
man, I think I might do that.
I haven't ridden pretty muchall month but I'm like I need to
get my ass going.
So go up there and do that racebecause I like the course, and
I was looking at their websiteand it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
They've done a really really good job with like
building that out in that amountof time?

Speaker 4 (30:20):
For sure, because I didn't know all the info.
I didn't listen to that episodeand it's like all right, well,
what do I need to know, what doI need to do?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
and it's like it's laid out so good yeah it is, and
they have some cool like tweaksthat they're making with
they're having.
If you don't listen to theepisode, I don't remember all
the full details, but the agegroups are going to be bigger,
so there's less age groups, soyou have bigger fields.
Which cat three that's going tobe?
You know they're calling themdifferent things.
It's not cat one, two and three.

(30:50):
Beginner sport open.
Yeah, yeah and so the thebeginners, I mean, you're gonna
have some big fields which it'sgonna be dicey on these tight
little trails but I tell youwhat I mean.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
you're not used to that here, but if you, you go
anywhere else, that's what it is, yeah.
I mean and that's why you knowyou do well at the first race
and then your call-ups are basedon that.
That's really important.
You go places like Texas wherethe fields are always that big.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Well and.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think it's awesome because even if you're at the
middle, the back of the pack,you're always going to have
someone to race well, and that'sthe thing like if you're, if
you've got six people in yourgroup and all of a sudden you're
right there and you're byyourself you're like I'm just
riding the trail by myself now.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
This is boring yeah, yeah, especially when you don't
see anyone in front of you,anybody behind you.
You're like yeah I'm why rideharder right and yeah, it
doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
When you can see people, always you're like okay.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I got to catch that person.
And they're going to focus ondoing the short laps, so there's
going to be more laps.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
That's what's cool about particularly this first
race is the laps are so short.
It's kind of you can break itdown easily in your mind and
like put in efforts and keepracing instead of a long loop.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
And great for spectators.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah, it's really good Because it's really easy to
walk the way, the way it kindof zigzags because it's all in a
tight space.
It's really easy to walk outand see a lot of the trail
without doing a lot a lot ofwalking as far as distance.
Yeah, so that's nice it's areally cool venue.
I I didn't know how good itwould be last year and we drove
over from arkansas at the timeand yeah, it was super fun.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, I'm excited about what they got going up
there and I like how many racesthey have.
I think there's only like six,six races per year, I think?
Yeah, there's three spring,three fall and you take five,
which is livable and doable.
Yep, they're going to have aone day state championship,

(32:46):
which is finally nominal, whichI have a couple, something we're
going to try to work on there.
That I'll tell you guys offthis, because we haven't, like,
nailed it down yet, so I don'twant to put it out there and
screw myself, but like Inormally do, but so remind me
when we get done.
But the the one day statechampionship they're doing, they
are going to Ray's going tofigure out how to make it happen
.
They are going to do achampionship.
He's going to award it if youwin both.
Oh really, so he wants to do anoverall winner for whoever does

(33:07):
the Tour de Dirt and theirs.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Whoever?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
does the best in all of those, there will be a winner
for the two series that he'sgoing to do.
That's awesome, so he's goingto kind of track that and keep
that going.
So yeah, Very cool.
Very cool.
I think they have great ideas.
They have fun stuff and theopen I think is going to be good
for the fast guys and girls.
So I think that'll have muchbetter fields there, much bigger

(33:30):
fields, instead of having.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Yeah, I think the only potential issue I see there
is it's open.
I didn't see anything withgender.
I didn't see if there's openwomen and men.
It didn't look that way.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
He didn't say that, but I'm going to assume that it
would be.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I assumed, but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
The way I read it, it wasn't separated and I'm like
that could be a problem.
But, how many?
There's not a lot of Cat 1women that show up and race, so
maybe that was their thoughtmore women showing up to race
because of the format and theywould separate it.
But I could be wrong on thattoo.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I'm excited to have.
I mean, I don't my fitness isgoing to be shit, but I'm
excited to go up and have like abig field to race in.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
And I don't know how many but yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
And new trails you know I don't know how Lubell is
which would be, I think, thesecond race last last time I was
there, which has been a longtime ago, it was cool they were
working on it, but I'm sure it'sdifferent.
But I like I mean Keystone.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I like those trails up there, because I mean you
have to know how to ride yourbike.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
You have to think about it a little bit and you
kind of do here on some of them.
But um, I don't know, they'rejust, they're fun to ride.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Keystone is always awesome.
Do you remember Osage?
To ride and keystone was alwaysawesome, remember osage?
Yeah, I only raced there once,oh really, yeah, I didn't like
it.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah, I loved it because the fast guys couldn't
go fast that was rocky yeah,that was bad, uh-huh I remember
and they the time I did it theydidn't mark it very well.
I ended up off in the woodsonce because I missed a turn and
it was.
It was a bad day for me.
Where's that at?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Bartlesville, bartlesville yeah, osage State
Park yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Which I was.
I couldn't ride rocks very wellback then anyway, but I
remember that one being reallybad.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, it was one of those.
I wonder if EA takes care ofthat.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Huh, the Mountain Bike Association.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, they take care of that, do they really?
Yeah, association yeah, theytake care of that do they really
?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
yeah, yeah.
They told me that I was likethat's crazy because they take
care of that one and they takecare of enid, yeah, which I just
thought they had the oklahomacity metro.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
So when they told me, I was like I didn't realize
there was a trail up there itused to be like turkey was like
the rocky, rocky one, and thenthey introduced osage and you
went oh, just wait just wait,because you you'd have people on
on the osage race.
You'd be like the whole shotmeans nothing, oh really Nothing
.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Is it like a short little loop?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
It was about a seven-mile loop, so it wasn't
short.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Worth going to.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
But there was like when you get into the rocky
sections.
There were so many differentlines.
Most of them were unrideable.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
A huge home course advantage.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah.
And so then you're just like Igotta pick up my bike here and I
know I'm running this, yeah,and you'd have some folks go,
I'm gonna try and ride this, andyou just sort of walk past them
, as they're still committed toriding it.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I mean I hope western oklahoma and oklahoma city
people go up there to challengethemselves yeah I.
I don't know how many will yeahbut I hope they do, because
it's one, it's just good for thestate, but two, it's good to do
new courses and new trails.
I mean, you're going to getbetter.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, people do get intimidated by it, but then how
else do you get better?

Speaker 4 (36:34):
But I also I think it's the mindset yeah, you have
to go, knowing you're going tobe at a disadvantage, knowing
you're going to struggle and youknow, want the challenge of
like yeah, learn a new skill orhow do I learn to ride this,
which is hard to do on race day,for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
But um, but I also hope that they come down here,
and I don't think that's goingto happen to me either, yeah.
I don't think I think we've lostall of our Tulsa people, yep,
so that kind of sucks.
Um, so I know they want to growtheir thing and do all that and
they want the state to have it.
But it's going to suck thatwith.
It's going to become a statedivided and they're like well,

(37:11):
I'm not going to go supporttheir races because they don't
come support our races and it'sgoing to become theirs and ours
and you can just see the writingon the wall with that.
But I hope that doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, you would hope it.
I'm going up there because Iknow it's going to be a quality
event.
It's going to be a good course.
That's kind of what you shouldbase it on, but that probably
won't happen.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I agree, it probably won't happen.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
But I hope it does, oh well.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It'll sort itself out , but I'm excited about what
they're doing up there Fastpeople, they're going to have
money payouts and it's going tobe cool.
They're going to have a one-daystate championship Us normal
slow people.
You're going to have big fieldsto ride with, so that's all
good.
Tour de Dirt kicks off towardsthe end of the month, Yep.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
End of.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
March.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Which is always a great event.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Team Warm-Up crushes those guys.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
And who knows what course they're going to pick for
it.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I mean you never know , you never know.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I just hope it's not the same as the six hour,
because everyone's done a lot oflaps.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It was a fun course.
That was a fun course, maybejust mix it up a little bit.
Yeah, that was a fun course,but they always do a good course
, yeah, and they did I mean backto that race.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
They did such a good job with prepping.
Yeah, it wasn't beat up.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
And they blow the leaves off, which is wild.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Oh, randy, it's impressive.
Man Got nothing better to do,no.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
He kills it.
Yeah, they always do a greatjob, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
So, yeah, I definitely want to plug the
Sooner Stampede, which is March20-something, I can tell you, I
want to say like 23.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I think it's 23rd Signs, right, let me see?
Or 23rd Signs, right?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Let me see March.
Yeah, I think it's 23rd, so wedefinitely need to support that
race because team warmupsAwesome.
And the venue is always great.
They always have a good party.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It was a good beer.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yup, it's always fun.
So those are the big ones asfar as mountain biking getting
kicked off this this month, andthen the other one to stay on
the mountain biking topic isWashtau.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Ooh, the very last one ever.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
You going?
I'm going for support, Ihaven't been riding enough and
I've done that race not in goodshape.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, it hurts.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah, it's not a good day and Ryan really wants to do
well there, so I'm just goingto go do feeds and whatever
support he needs.
Yeah, if I have anybody else,that's that that one's hard to
support multiple people, causeyou're going to different.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'll just give you my stuff.
I'll be right on Ryan's will.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
If you stay there, you might do well.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Okay yeah, just keep both bottles handy, that'd be
great.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, yeah, I would like to support.
I mean, I have some support,but it's typically we'll go to
like three different places andyou got to be there in a certain
timeframe or we got to move on.
But yeah, I'll just go supportand hang out and watch.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
And that is one of the harder mountain bike events
out there.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I'm excited.
One of the hardest yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Have you?
You've done it.
No, no, never you haven't never, oh, Ryan, I'm pumped.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I've always wanted to do it and I've never been able
to make it happen for a varietyof reasons, however hard you
think it is?
It's just harder.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, really yes you did most of cape epic so yeah,
yeah, yeah, take your bad day atcape epic and probably add a
little.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I'd rather not, rather I honestly that's what me
, and sack because he's going to.
That's what we've been talkingabout.
I'm like it's basically becauseI looked at it.
I'm like it's Cape Epic for oneday in.
Arkansas.
Right, I mean the distance andthe elevation and stuff it's
about the same, yeah about 115degrees.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
The hard part about Ouachita is, even if you're on a
good day, it's so easy to crash.
Or mechanical and I wouldn'teven say mechanicals are that
common, but it really easy tolike flat a tire, break it, a
rail your crash?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
is it similar rocky like structure to like
bentonville?

Speaker 4 (40:55):
no, no it's like the first half is um, the second
half kind of is okay.
The first half is like big,like like baby head, rocks,
boulders and just you're.
You're climbing, you know, inyour easiest gear, riding
through a minefield of babyheads yeah, so it's like
medicine park kind of spots andspots not all of it, but I mean,

(41:17):
and it's just like if you'renot going up, you're going down,
and when you're going down it'sit's kind of just as hard, yeah
, because you're descendinglonger than you're used to.
If you're from here, yeah, soyou know your arms will get
tight dropper posts have.
They've helped a lot yeah we'redoing it.
You know a lot on a rigid postand you're you're trying to get
low on the bike, but you can't.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
And uh, new, new style bikes make it way better,
okay, um so so if you guys,since you guys are both done,
let's do a quick course preview,if you remember or know enough
to don't there be a temptationto go as hard as you climb on
that first road, climb up to thestart of the single track, so

(41:57):
many people blow up on thatthing, okay, and you end up
getting so how far is it to thesingle track?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
from the start it's 45 minutes.
Oh damn.
To get to the single track.
Yeah, I think it's a while.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
So you start in town vehicle lead out for a couple
miles, which always sucksbecause you're not pedaling and
it's usually cold and you'rejust like shivering in this
group of people, bar to bar,people that aren't used to
riding bar to bar.
It's a very nervous time andthen you get on the gravel, um,
and it's.
It's just a steady climb forthe next 40 minutes.

(42:30):
Oh wow.
Like it's kind of undulating,but you're going uphill, okay.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
And you know you're going uphill.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
The last kicker, like it's, it's.
It's a gravel climb and thatmakes a hard ride into a single
track and ride into a singletrack and then it's.
So that's a good job ofthinning itself out, yeah, but
but whatever group you're in,he's right.
The you're like oh, there's asingle track, I just get up this
hill and you blow up and youget the single track and you
can't ride your bike you'regassed and then you continue to

(42:57):
climb yeah, still get in thesingle track.
You're still going up, uh-huhgotcha it's a little little bit
up and down and then you climbdescent.
There's three big climbs in thefirst half.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
And three big descents.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
And the first time you start doing those descents
you think I'll get my recoveryhere.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, you're just always under pressure.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Like your arms.
Last year it had rained.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
So all the descents leaves.
You would see these giant leafpiles Cl.
And so all the descents leaves.
You would see these giant leafpiles Clumps of them, and some
of them had rocks under them andsome of them didn't.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
And you had no idea what was what.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
And so you're just going down I mean pretty fast,
if you're trying to make up timeand you're just trying to miss
all those mounds of leaves, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
So it's just a lot of mental fatigue.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
It's called the Ouachita Challenge and no matter
what level your fitness is, itis challenging in every way.
Then you get, I would say,probably 25, 26 miles, I don't
remember where.
You dump out on gravel, thenyou're on gravel and road for
probably 10.
Roughly, there's a lot ofgravel and road in it.
If you're trying to do well,you think you could use that for

(44:04):
recovery.
If you end up before you go,there's a lot of gravel and road
in it.
But if you're trying to do well, you don't.
You think you could use thatfor recovery.
but, um, and if you end up inthose sections alone, it's
really bad if you can get in agroup, yeah, way better gotcha
um, and then you get into thewomble trail, which is a really
fun trail if you're but youhaven't ruined your day.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
You're so gassed by the time you get to the womble,
which is beautiful yeah you'rejust like god I hunt flowy one,
yeah, with a lot of funner andflowier.
Yeah, it's still, it's stillhard.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
You're still doing some really hard climbs.
Um yeah, and if you're notfeeling good, it sucks but.
If you're feeling good, it'sokay, but it's still really.
It's still really hard comparedto if you ride here right, yeah
, yeah gotcha yeah, it's like uhand then, and then you have
this gravel climb that is an asskicker, yeah, at the end.

(44:49):
It's kind of a switchback gravelroad and it's so hard and after
that it's rollers and everyoneI've gone to this event with I
tell them the hill at the schoolat the finish is the hardest
part of the race.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's a grass hill.
It doesn't even show up on yourelevation it may be a hundred
hundred and fifty yards uphillyou just ride through this
schoolyard and a little kickerand the finish line's at the top
and it's awful you watch peoplecramp and walk it and it's so
hard at the end of that racebecause I have a feeling I'm
gonna be my future.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Well, everyone laughed at me that I have shown
that hill.
I'm'm like that's going to bethe hardest part, and they laugh
.
And then they're like, yeah, itwas Really.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, because you think you're done.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
You're like rolling back into town and then you're
in this thick grass, especiallyif it's wet, and then you've got
to go up this tiny littlekicker.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
And you're in your easiest gear going.
Why am I not moving?

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Going the bottom of that and think there's all these
people watching.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I cannot walk.
I can't get off and walk, but Iwanted to walk.
Oh wow, I was like I just gottaget up this.
Okay.
Yeah, they're free pizza.
Yeah, well, this is their lastyear of the event ever.
It's pretty sad, but I've beendoing it for north of 20 years.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Yeah, I kind of felt like this was coming and
surprised it hasn't come beforenow.
I mean, the same people put iton.
They do it to raise money forthe school in town.
Okay so, and I don't even knowif they're mountain bikers.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, I don't think they are, and it's one of those
like it sells out every year.
Not anymore, not anymore.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
It did this year and it used to sell out instantly.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
And then it kind of I don't really know why it died
off.
It never really evolved.
Yeah, that was the thing.
It was always still good.
It's awesome, you don't needany more, I mean it's.
So what are you thinking forlike?

Speaker 4 (46:34):
a normal person because you, you want it in what
like four and a half five hoursuh, it was probably like 440
for something like that.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
So what's a normal person if you're sub?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
seven.
If you're sub six, you're doingwell okay, yeah, six to.
Six to seven is the yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Typical person.
Yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Someone that's fit and a decent mountain biker, I
would put them in the five and ahalf to six Okay.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I mean it's, you've gotto pace.
You definitely got to pace thefirst half.
Okay, and anyone that's goingto be down there, I don't know,

(47:11):
I don't have a time, but ournormal routine is on saturday,
or well, I guess on friday.
Now, because the mountain bikerace is saturday, as we'll ride,
we'll do a ride out, ride thestart, because it's good to ride
that start, know how muchyou're in for and then, like I
don't know, 20 minutes, a singletrack, like an hour and a half
out and back, okay, so if you'regoing, I would recommend
finding the start and and it itgoes two different directions,
based on if the creek's too high, because one way if the creek's

(47:32):
too high it's like

Speaker 2 (47:34):
up to your knees it's like way too high.
We went through it one year acouple times.
The last two times I've done it.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
We went the other way , where you don't cross it um,
and maybe they just do thatevery time now.
But yeah, I would say, if youdon't get to pre-ride it um, go
ride the start, get into thesingle track, ride the first,
could you?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
drive up to the single track, you can.
Okay, I would ride it, though,oh really driving it doesn't?

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I mean you don't know what it feels like to ride it,
know what you're in for.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Know how to pace yourself I get to the single
track hours the day before, I'mgoing to do six hours.
No, no, it'd be 90 minutesthere and back.
Okay, it'll be an hour and ahalf.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, gotcha 45 when I do it, I don't I just like
ride the gravel pretty casual.
Just kind of a preview yeahokay, so ride out.
I mean, you could drive up toit, but it's kind of good to
know what the feeling is yeah,because, because it's.
I think the adrenaline and thegroup.
You can tend to ride harderthan you realize you're riding.
And it'll kind of screw therest of your day up.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Gotcha, yeah.
Yeah, I saw it sold out and gota full field.
And are you doing?
You're doing it.
Are you doing the gravel?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I am not doing the gravel.
I did the gravel two years agowith chastine and, like the, the
gravel is beautiful, um, andunless like andy was at the
pointy end with a handful ofothers, once they were all gone,
it was like this is reallyscenic.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I'm just gonna like cruise and look around, yeah and
it is beautiful gravel forestservice roads, mile on the
gravel two right shit kind ofclimbing.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
We'll do it this year , being after the mountain.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah yeah, I know sax is gonna do both days and then
I'm coming back, so I'm notdoing.
Yep, are you guys camping orhotel you're?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
probably camp there's no hotels close?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
yeah, no, you're either camping or staying, so
there's cabins.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
We're at a campground cabin place.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
I don't know where it is riverview maybe I don't
remember, so there's there'ssome cabins that are really nice
, that are right by the start.
Yeah, that's the spot to get,but it sells out quick.
So what I like last year, Ijust you can just pull up at the
school and park and camp okay,or you can sleep in the.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Maybe that's where we're at, we're at a campground
area thing, it's not a camp.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Well, the school's not a campground.
You might be Riverview, andthen there's another place
that's not far away, that is acampground, okay.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
There used to be the house right across the street
from the school.
The lady would just open up herland and say five bucks and go
park anywhere in the land andcamp.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
So we just you know, I figured it out.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Chastain had his van and I brought a tent and I blow
up bed.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
You can sleep in the gym at the school for free.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Man this is like straight grassroots beauty, it's
very, they do pasta dinner inthe school cafeteria.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
You go through the cafeteria line with your tray
yeah.
And then they do pancakes inthe morning.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Dude, that's awesome, but it's like it's dialed Like
what do you really need?

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's perfect.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
If you want a good night of sleep.
Don't sleep in the gym.
You know.
What's funny is snoring.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Yeah, I told everyone I knew last year I was like
don't sleep in the gym.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
And then I went in the gym in the morning to go to
the bathroom.
There's two people oh.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
God, nobody was in there I was like we should have
slept in the cold in the tent.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I was like warm in the gym.
Yeah, the gym might be full,but you can just pull up at the
school and put a tent out there.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Okay, that's good to know.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
A lot of options, not good hotel options.
I think Mina's the closest.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
The closest.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
That's an hour away.
Oh wow, it's a ways it's remote.
How long does it take to getdown?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
there Five, four and a half five hours.
Okay, no, there's this yellow,run-dine old building called the
Yellow Burger Store.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
One of the best burgers after any race you'll
ever eat Like the nearest gasstation.
I went down there with Barrettone year.
We just went down to ride andBarrett's like I'm going to get
some water, so he goes in thisgas station.
He gets a gallon.
I'm like'm like, all right,that's for us, but it was for
him, and so we get down thereand I was like oh, that was for

(51:30):
both of us.
He's like well, no, no and sowe're rationing what we ran out
of water.
It was the middle of summer andit took us like 45 minutes to
find a gas station, leaving towhere we could get anything at
all it's literally in the middleof nowhere.
You don't want to go up toanyone's house out there.
It's real Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
It's real, it's a real deal.
So bring a spare, yeah.
Bring extra tubes.
Yeah, oh, my gosh.
Okay, well, I'm excited aboutit.
I've always wanted to do it, soI'm excited I finally get to do
it.
Well, let's talk about thegranddaddy of them all in
Oklahoma, the Mid-South.
Well, you're not doing itbecause you hate gravel.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Are you officially retired?

Speaker 4 (52:13):
I don't hate people that like gravel.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
You do hate people, I don't oh.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I don't, just, I just don't go anymore.
I tried my best numerous times.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You did, you did, you gave it a shot.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
So if anyone needs a gravel bike besides 58, you call
me.
Make a heck of a deal.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Can we claim he failed at it?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Something drumming failed at his yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Probably yeah, I've never won a gravel race.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That's why he doesn't like it.
See, I don't think a gravelrace.
That's why, yeah see, no, neverhave it's not good for your ego
, is it, chris?

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I've even won a gravel race.
I mean there were like fourpeople there.
But yeah, win right, youprobably beat alan at that race.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
He didn't finish no, I didn't finish.
At least he showed up.
Right, I started yeah are youdoing mid-south?
I am shocker, except I'm doingthe 50 this year for the first
time.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
That you're going to have the best day.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
I've only done the 50 .
It was awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, I've only ever done the 100.
And this year I was like Idon't want to be, like no, I've
only done it once and I didn'tneed to go do it and.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I did the 100.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I didn't want to be a coma at the end.
See, you did it yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
It wasn't bad.
It got to a point where I waslike, all right, I'm just riding
100 miles today and I keptgoing backwards and I'd get in a
group for a while.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And if it got harder, than I wanted, I went back to
the next one.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
You just enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, as much as you could, I think March 15th, yeah,
15th.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
So the runs on Saturday and the rides on.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yep Courses.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Are you doing both?

Speaker 4 (53:47):
You'll be trained up, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
That will be my fifth run after this weekend.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
And no courses get released on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Okay, and it'll be a day after this comes out Awesome
.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Insider.
Intel is um.
We crossed the simmer on twice,Okay, and the elevation starts
with a number eight.
I'm impressed and shocked thatthey are able to get that much
elevation up there.
That's a lot of climbing.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Which would be awesome for the pros to have a
long race.
Yep, you're going to be reallythankful at some point.
You're only doing 50.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Uh-huh, that's it.
When I got my Intel, I wentthank God, I'm only doing 50.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
when I got my intel, I went thank god I'm only doing
50, so is the 50 gonna have likethree?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
hopefully.
Okay, yeah, probably three tofour, because it'll cross the
cimarron if you have 4 000 feetin the 50 miles.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
That's, that's gonna yeah be a good, solid effort
yeah on gravel.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but up there it's pretty much just
fast dirt yeah, helps, yeah, butthat's a lot of it's
unrelenting rollers, let me saythat's no flats yeah, no, that's
just unrelenting and you knowit's always what weighs the wind
that day, that's true, and itcan switch and is it?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
did it rain right?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
yeah, a lot of things to keep in mind yeah, do you
know?

Speaker 1 (55:01):
have you heard any of the pros that are going to be
here?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I haven't even looked I think it's the usual cast of
characters.
I know payson's not coming.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He's in morocco right now he's doing some weird
racing.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, yeah yeah, but a lot of them will use it as
sort of their primer beforelifetime, right yeah so it's
kind of the usual suspects usual, usual crews.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what he can do to spice
that up, to make it different,cause it's become.
It's amazing.
Yeah, it's incredibly well done.
I mean, you couldn't do it anybetter.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Right, and I think that's the thing is.
You don't, you don't want tochange it too much, like, let it
be known for what it is.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Making it a really hard course might change it up.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
And I think this year it's going to be hard once,
okay, yeah, once many moons ago,and it was 32 degrees and
freezing rain was not pleasantno, yeah, that's why I have a
hard time with winter.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
That's what.
Like one yeah, I want to do therodeo, commit to it.
I'm like, yeah, it's gonna suck, even if it's perfect.
Yeah, it's still gonna be coldand miserable when you start
yeah, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
that year I remember at the halfway point helped troy
his hands were so frozen hecouldn't get his gloves off to
change them and I rememberhelping him just pull his gloves
off just so he could putanother warm set on.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
He probably had to pour the Mountain Dew in his
mouth.
For him, yeah, give him hisho-hos.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, and he shivers Like I can't stop too long, I
can't stop too long.
Yeah, shiver is like I can'tstop too long.
I can't stop too long.
Yeah, they've had some horribledays out there.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, and that's the crapshoot, man is you have
everything from 32 degrees,freezing rain and snow to 75
last year was good, hot, yeah,yeah, last year was fast every
time I've ever done it, theweather's been good yeah so I've
lucked out yeah, let ask youthis Are you into it for the
epic, miserable, stupid weather?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I want the miserable day.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
What about you when it comes to any races in general
?

Speaker 4 (56:51):
If I'm dealing with miserable day on a bike, it's
for 45 minutes.
Yeah, I agree.
In a cross race, yeah, otherthan that and I don't even you
know I have a hard time withthat I get grumpy when it's
rainy or cold and miserable.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't like being cold.
I also don't like being hot,but I'd rather be hot than cold.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I don't like riding in the mud, especially when you
can't ride your bike me huh, youare gonna kill some zwift yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that'swhat.
That's what I've been doing allwinter.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
I'm like it's always 70 yeah slight headwind, it's
wonderful the climate I like toride in.
It's narrowing down every year.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Exactly, I'm leaning into it.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
I've seen him in really bad weather.
We were riding out in Arkansasone time, Me him, Chastain, a
couple of others.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
I left you behind that day.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It was like raining so hard and so cold, you
couldn't see in front of you,and like we're motoring along
and then he just starts runningaway from me.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Well, I bonked, and then I came back from it and I
was like I can't go anything buthard, I'm going to freeze to
death.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And I'm out there loving it, absolutely loving it,
it's in your bones, yeah.
We're made in that it's aleveler it's like this is what
we're supposed to ride in no, Ifelt that way when I played golf
the shittier the weather.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I'm like game on because I know like almost
everybody's already screwed.
Yeah, yeah, and so that waslike they're better than me, so
at least a lot of its attitude100 yeah yeah and I'm gonna tell
you what my attitude is.
It's shitty when it's coldoutside, when it's attitude 100%
yeah.
And I'm going to tell you whatmy attitude is it's shitty when
it's cold outside, when it'scold and wet.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Muddy cross races.
I'm really good in thatcondition, but I've got a really
bad attitude about it.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
That was my only ever and this was a really long time
ago.
Podium at Mid-South was on asingle speed on just absolutely
horrible conditions.
There were three single speedsthat finished.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
I was the third one Was that one rusty, did Rusty
win.
Yes, rusty Daly, yes, tossed itout.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
And that's all it was .
And people were huddled undertrees and like just get to the
finish line.
The Jeeps got stuck.
It was that bad.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Oh my gosh the finish line for me is the nearest car.
Yeah the finish line for me isthe nearest car and that yeah,
if a jeep's getting stuck.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I already know right now I should not be on a bicycle
yeah not only on those sameroads.
There's no way, awesome, I'mgonna keep going, I'm gonna.
I'm trying to find, uh, twovideos that I watched on youtube
yesterday and I, um, I wastrying to find the names of them
because I was going torecommend them, because we're
talking about the shitty weather, these long things, but, um,

(59:27):
the spinistry which put ongravel in north texas they have
the rat which race across texas.
It goes from arkadelphia totucum carry.
It's a thousand miles, it's a.
I've thought about it.
If I was gonna do a bikepacking, that'd be a thing that
would, because it's closed, it'slocal.
If it sucked like somebodypicked me up in two hours, like
it seems a manageable suck yeah,um, most people do it like an

(59:50):
eight days like, with hotelingit along the way.
So it's, it sounds manageable,yeah.
I wanted to get into that.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
I'm not committing to that, but if I did, I think, I
think manageable suck should bea sound.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah, troy attempted that one year, oh really, yeah,
I think it was maybe one of histour divide years and it's in
October.
I mean they do everything tomake it as doable as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Out of the heat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I was trying to find the name of it, but it's
like a thousand miles in a dustysaddle or something like that
as long as the name of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I watched it last night 40 minutes long, maybe
worth watching.
Really did a great job onyoutube.
It wasn't the east texasshowdown, was it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
no, okay, no, no.
And so they did a great job and, um, they talked to some of the
spinistry people.
They follow the guys across andthere's, you know, they tell
their stories.
The guys finish and don'tfinish and I mean it's not a
dramatic thing or it's not thisbig crazy epic thing, but it's
kind of a good.
You don't have anything to do,you're on the trainer, you just
have something to watch, a goodbike thing to watch.
It's local support them.
You know it's kind of cool.
So, um, I was going torecommend that.

(01:00:57):
And then what made me think ofthat as I watched that new
lachlan?
oh yeah with ef going aroundaustralia.
Yeah, watch, must watch.
How long is that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
It's a long one, it's like an hour and a half Hour
and 45.
If you're on the trainer, doyou know what the trainer is?
Chris?

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
I haven't known what it is this year.
Okay, it's a good trainer watch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
You don't have to clean anything when you get done
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Have you watched it all the way through?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I've watched half of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
That guy is so different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, so different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
He puts himself in such bad spots.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I don't understand that.
But yeah, it's like he enjoysthat he does.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
He wants to go to dream discomfort in dark places
and his wife talks about causeshe goes, she cruising, and she
talks about how she's like.
This is the first time she'screwed with him and watching
them interact and he, she talkskind of for him, yeah, without
you know.
Just by knowing him for so longand you, you see, you get a lot
more insight to what it takesto be a special human like that

(01:02:01):
yeah man is, it is not you, itis not made what's funny is at
all ef get more publicity forhim doing that than their tour
team.
Lachlan's the best thing thatever happened.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I don't know what's going on with their tour team.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Right.
Unless they win a stage at thetour.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Maybe, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I always know what he's doing.
I don't even pay that closeattention to that, but you see
it and you know it and, yeah,usually it pops up on my YouTube
feed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, he might be the best thing in pro cycling.
Yeah, period.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
When he did the Tour Divide there was a whole bunch.
I'm a data junkie.
His overall average watts forthe Tour Divide was 180.
Wow, 180.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Damn, and he said he made sure on anything that went
uphill.
He never.
And Chris is spilling beer thisis awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
You better drink that .
Chris, Sit on the gravel.
It's all gone now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
That's the best beer shower Chris has ever had.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I don't know if we have any towels, just get a
paper towel.
I'll clean it up later.
So clearly Drummond's drunk.
I'll clean it up later.
So clearly Drummond's drunk.
Yeah, he's cut off One beerwonder over there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
But yeah, he never went over 250 on the climbs Not
once, that's hard to do, mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Yeah, you are, you've been drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I'm covered in it.
So Drummond just opened a beerand shot it all over the entire
room not my fault I mean to beclear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
The beer was just sitting on the table for like 30
minutes an hour for 57 minutesoh yeah, it's been sitting there
and it exploded.
That was weird that was bizarrewe'll take your drink of what's
left.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
It's probably all I need anyway I mean his topo
chico that was impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, I'll deal with it later.
Um yeah, so lachlan stuff is.
It's impressive, it's good, butthat mofo rides like basically
four to five hundred k a dayyeah for over a month does he
have?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
did he have the weird mountain bike setup?
Where have you seen his stampLike?
It is like a negative 17.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
He did Cause he's riding like a large frame when
he does that.
Yeah, he rides like a size toobig to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, I don't know the he does it to get really low
on the Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I don't think we should try to understand what
he's doing yeah, cause the guythat I learned the fit stuff
from yeah colorado is the onethat does all his fits really,
and he's like he's so out there.
Yeah, he's like he's the worst.
He's like he comes in and it'sjust like.
He's like he's the worst andthe best, because I do it and I
know the second he walks out thedoor and it's next, right, he's
changing everything, yeah, andhe comes in and it's all cluster
every time, yeah because, hechanges everything all the time

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it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I was like I don't know why he comes in.
Who's that remind you of?
Not me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
But yeah, it's it's a good one.
It's way worth watching Um andhe's entertaining and it's it
becomes more about um, not somuch what he's doing, but like
his community and the family,and like this it's becomes much
deeper, which is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Very cool.
Yeah, I would recommend it, sothat was a good one Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So other hot topics to keep in mind.
Before we start onto those,let's talk about Mr Drummond's
new official Oklahoma adventurethat I would say Is it official.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
It's Instagram official.
It became official quicker thanI planned.
I created the Instagram pageand then Aubrey's like four
people follow you.
I'm like what?
All I did was kind of createdit to figure out what I want to
do with it, because then itprobably sent out.
Well, she said it had popped upon her feed.
It popped up on mine, yeah.
So I was like well, shit, tellus about it.

(01:05:42):
Yeah, just coaching, I've never.
You work on your sales pitch Alot of people have asked me
about coaching and I've justnever, I think, wanted to make
the time to do it and do it.
I think that's a bigresponsibility, so you want to
do it right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I think that's how you're different already.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Yeah, you actually give a shit you actually give a
shit, um, and, and I knew, youknow I've never really had the
time, or knew when I got busy Iwouldn't make the time, but um,
and I kind of had the time.
Now I just make it work.
But, um, I've worked with somepeople here and there and a lot
of it's just like helpinghelping out kids or helping out

(01:06:22):
friends or whatever, um, but Imean I want to, I want to get
more into that and I kind offeel like my my journey from
where I started in cycling towhere I've ended up kind of
helps.
I think it helps me in a senseof, you know, I've never been a
professional.
I think a lot of coaches are expros or ex, you know, junior

(01:06:46):
phenoms and I, I was never anyof that like.
I started when I was like 20,probably 25, 26, um, and, like I
said in my post, I the wholetime I've been cycling, I've had
two kids, I've been married,had a full-time job and I think
I mean there's other people thathave that same thing, but I
think they were also maybeprofessional cyclists or

(01:07:08):
something.
They had some something beforethat happened and you know,
working with various coaches orhearing feedback from people, a
lot of times it's hard for them.
I think it's really hard forthem to relate to the average
person.
They they don't want to trainlike a pro, they want to get
better within reason.

(01:07:28):
And that's kind of a lot ofwhere I think my focus is going
to be.
I will train.
I mean, I'll work with anylevel.
I've had a lot of people reachout and, like, what's this
tailored to?
I'm like, whatever you want,like here's my base price.
It can be less than that or itcan be more than that.
What do you want out of it?
Um, and you know the people Iwork with, I want to make sure I

(01:07:49):
don't burn them out.
I want them to.
You know they're good, it'sgoing to be work.
There's gonna be days maybeyou're on the trainer, um,
there's going to be structureand there's gonna be days where
I'm like just go ride your bikeand I think there's, I think
that's catching on.
People realize there's a spacefor that and that's important.
But yeah, I mean I mean cyclinghas given me a lot.

(01:08:10):
I've learned a lot.
I have a lot of experience fromwhen I first started.
I didn't know anybody, I gotinto it and I didn't know
anything about bikes.
I learned a lot of stuff on myown, um, so I know what being in
that position is like you know,that's kind of what helps me in
the retail space too.
It's like look, I've been there, I know you don't know anything
, let me help you.

(01:08:33):
And the same with the coachingside is I've been there, I've
won national championships, I'veraced world championships, I've
been through the juniorpipeline.
I've been through all of it,whether with me or my kids, so I
feel like I have I can reallyrelate to what anybody's going
to want.
Um, I also feel like there's alevel, like my I don't coach my

(01:08:55):
son I did for a couple of yearsbut he's at a level that is
beyond, I think, what I canprovide, so realistic in that
aspect, where I think I canprovide more value to someone
just starting training, or youknow your cat, three level, um,
and and and well beyond I thinkthe you know training plans.

(01:09:19):
I want to.
I want to dig more into youknow strategy and how to think
about things and how to beefficient in racing, like some
more race craft type things.
So that's where it can betailored to anybody Like if you,
if you like, I don't need youto coach me.
I don't need a training plan.
I need race craft, teach me howto race and like how to win
races and what to do.
So I kind of want to justwhatever you want, let's work on

(01:09:49):
that and price price thataccordingly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
So I just think I have a lot to offer in that
sense that I would just like toshare like a consulting strategy
, possibility for a fee or arace, or like a training plan
option for me or the twocombined kind of thing two
combined um training plan withskills sessions are you gonna
doing it through training peaks?
Are you doing it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
yeah, okay so I'll do .
I'll do training plans likethat, through training peaks and
everything else.
You know what I?
What I like to do is eitherphone or in-person conversation.
Talk through like, all right,what?
What are you looking for?
What amount of time do you have?
This is what it's going to take, and do you want to commit to
that, or do you want to do less?
Yeah, because I don't wantpeople signing up and doing it

(01:10:29):
for two months but like, well,this is more than I can handle
or I don't like this.
So really talking througheverything beforehand instead of
just taking their money andsigning them up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Is it going to be all disciplines or yeah, okay, even
gravel, except for gravel.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Even gravel, except for gravel.
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I'm not going to coach triathletes because I
can't tell you what to do withswimming.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
I'm not going to do things that I don't know.
I'm not going to fake it, butyeah, any cycling discipline.
On my page it says motocross.
No one's going to listen tothat from here, probably, but
not skill stuff with thatnecessarily.
I know there's just a ton ofpeople that are racing
motorcycles that they can dosome really basic stuff and be a

(01:11:12):
lot better.
They don't have to train sevendays a week.
They could eat a little better,they could learn how to fuel and
they could do a couple workoutsa week and huge gains there too
.
So that's kind of why I want todig into that.
I have a lot of connections inthat world in Oklahoma city, so
I'm looking to get back intothat a little bit too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yeah, what's the name ?

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
2d9 performance coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Cause the.
When I saw the colors and thelogo and stuff, it made me think
moto.
Oh yeah, I thought eighties andmoto.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Jake Beeson did my logo for me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Oh, did he really.
Jake Beeson did my logo for me.
Oh, did he really.
Yeah, awesome yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
He did.
He did all that stuff for me.
So, um, yeah, thanks to him onthat.
Yeah, that's exciting.
Yeah, I'm.
I'm looking forward to it,hoping.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I get get some well, I had some preexisting ones and
and talk to people, so so that'swhat I'm doing.
I can attest to the one-on-onewriting skills yeah.
Cause we've done that a coupleof times and it's been massive

(01:12:16):
and huge help.
So I will go on the record andI did a testimonial for that.
Like I, that was such a greatthing the time that me and Saxby
came out to bentonville yeahand rode and you rode in front
of one of us, like we kind oflike you were in the middle and
one was following your line, andthen one you were teach was in
front.
You were telling him what to do, so I wasn't back and it was

(01:12:37):
great, like I could just followhis line, kind of watch what
he's doing.
I was like this is so good.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
And then well, when I let you get in the front, you
crashed hard, like two minuteslater and I said yeah, that's,
that was too fast yeah, yeah, Iwas like what I do there?

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
he's like, well, just don't do that.
Yeah, just slow down and, uh,just do what opposite of what
you did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I'm like, okay, got it I think you and I talked
about that on a podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Yes, it was hard.
I thought he was hurt.
It was bad yeah no, I will say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Having ridden with him over the years and doing
skill sessions, it doestransform your riding Huge and
it makes it easier.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
We spent I don't know 20 or 30 minutes at the pump
track before we went out.
Yeah, from the time from whatwe started like watching us do
it, and then RyRy met up with usWatching us do it and then Ryye
, rye do it a lot different.
Yeah, um, but we're doing adifferent sport here.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
It was very much a different sport I'm like.
Why is?

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
he flying from one to the other.
That doesn't make sense no um,but it does make such a
difference and it's just basic,the tiniest little things, like
just the symbols, like relaxingyour ankles and relaxing your
hips, and just like there's somany tiny little things that you
just don't think about tryingnot to like hit a tree, or you
just don't, you don't know tothink about you know, Um so
energy you can save in corners,all of it.

(01:13:55):
Yeah.
And then he's always like well,did you go to the pump track
and practice what you need to?
And so I did for a while likegoing and like really trying to
work on that stuff.
It makes a huge difference,huge difference.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
That's kind of why I want to do this pre-ride thing
with the Tulsa series and I mean, if Tour de Dirt's interested,
I could work something out withthem too.
Like I want to show people,because I've preached this and
preached this to people I talkto.
But every time I'm in a race,especially when I'm getting
tired, I'm like how can I makethis easier?

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
How can I keep going this pace?
But make it easier, hey Alan.
How do you make it easier, you?

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
just pull off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Hard left or right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Right to the beer tin .
It's like oh wait, there's thebypass, let me take that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
So I want to do these rides and people that have
probably already pre-writtenthese courses and then show them
like, well, try this or trythis, and you know, it's not all
, it's, it's so much, not all,doing intervals and training.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
And we saw that skip when we did our clinic that you
put on.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
Yeah, and that's.
That's not a technical trail,but like you still.
Well, we've had that debate.
It is technical but it's notrocks and drops and things like
that.
The same with wheeler crit.
I was talking to someone aboutcrit racing.
It applies to crit racing.
It applies to pretty mucheverything but gravel, because
it's always hard.
There's not a way to get awayfrom how hard gravel is.

(01:15:14):
Even if you're drafting, it'shard, but every other discipline
I mean, there's a way to makeit easier.
You still need to be fit, youstill need to work hard, you're
still going to have to suffer,but the gains you can make with
doing the little things massive.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, they're massive .

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
So I mean you, you put the pieces together um you
know, and so, yeah, whatever,whatever people want, I mean
there's, there's options for ifI'm at races, you know doing
things with you at races and Ikind of tend to do that anyway,
with people I'm working with,because I just want them to get
the most out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
So, yeah, I'm excited about it very cool, but the
Instagram and the show notes, sopeople want to find it.
They can look on that and clickon awesome.
Follow along and do all thatstuff.
I'm sure we'll post stuff on itcycling Oklahoma about it.
So it's nice to seeknowledgeable people doing some
good things here.
So I guess getting into the hottakes for a wrap up here.
So I guess getting into the hottakes before we wrap up here.
One last thing was when doesWheeler start?

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
It starts.
Let me make sure I'm correct,Because we're coming up on
everything kicking off aroundhere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Is Chicken and Pickle coming back this year?
It will Okay at some point,maybe.
Yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
The goal is sometime here in the spring, okay.
So we've been quietly doingtest rides figuring out what's
the best road to actually getout.
Uh, east on, okay.
And so we figured out mondaynight hafner's way better than
going a little further north,because it's, uh, four lane
gotcha yeah, okay, so yep andmarch 25th march 25th yeah,

(01:16:44):
wheeler crit start and it willbe.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
I mean, it's being finalized so I don't know if I'm
supposed to.
It will be USAC sanctioned thisyear.
So, racers can get points.
And my understanding hopefully Idon't get in trouble for this
is it will be like a membershipdrive associated with it.
For if you pre-reg between twocertain dates, oh cool, because

(01:17:07):
the license fee is a hang driveassociated with it.
For if you pre-reg between twocertain dates, oh cool, because
the license fee is a hang up.
So keep an eye out for that.
It'll be a massively discountedrate on a license.
So if you plan on doing anyusec events or you want to have
that option, you're going to beable to get a license way
cheaper than normal.
Sweet um, but yeah, to provide.
I mean, there's people thatwant to upgrade in road racing

(01:17:28):
and it's really hard to dobecause there's not a lot of
road racing, especially righthere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Yeah, there's just not options.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
So hopefully it's not abused in the way of people
writing a category.
It shouldn't be kind of in away.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Just to get points.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
Yeah, cherry picking it to get points.
You should be kind of earningthem in the harder sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
But that option will be there.
Here's the thing.
If they do they will get calledout, we will write their names
down and we will blatantly makefun of them.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
On the show.
Oh, yes, by name.
Make signs at the races.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
I will take pictures.
We will post them on ourInstagram.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Called the wall of shame yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
I like it.
Wait, are we talking aboutPerkins again?
Is he a?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
four, yeah, we may be , Um, yeah, but if you do it,
yes you will get publicly shamedon here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
All of our listeners will know who yes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Um, okay, so the hot debate that we have before this
started and if you have anyother, topics we can go over.
Those is uh, and I don't evenunderstand why it's a debate?

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
because I'm clearly right yeah, short cranks win,
huh.
So no, no, I am a firm believerin short cranks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I've been a firm believer in short cranks since
like 2010, whenever I learnedabout it when I went to the fist
training um certification incalifornia yeah, one that
basically created the shortcrank phenomenon back in the
early 2000s yep, and it makeszero sense not to have short
cranks.
Scientifically, it makes zerosense power output.

(01:18:59):
It makes zero sense corneringground clearance, all the things
it.
It makes zero sense to probablyride shorter cranks than what
you have on your bike.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Have you seen Jonas riding 150s?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Bangago.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
You're riding 150s now.
I'm getting 140s, I'm notopposed to it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I didn't know it was a thing until last year's tour
and then I saw it and then Janstarted telling me people are
calling up the shop left andright, wanting to order like 165
I sold quite a few short cranksyeah, and it's like what is
going on?

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
yeah, I'll take.
I'll take short cranks any dayover hoods turned in, which is
the other one what if I hadshort cranks and my short Narrow
bars and hoods turned in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Oh, narrow bars is the other one.
I think that sounds fast yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
And sexy yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Yeah, what width bars do you ride?
42.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Okay, good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
With straight hoods.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Even better.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
I mean maybe like a degree in yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
But what length cranks?
Better be be 172, 5.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Okay, but how tall are you?
6, 2, but I ride 170 on themountain bike instead of 175.
That's the right way to do Idon't really care.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I mean, I would say 170s, which should be the max
length I'm really, I reallydon't like the hoods.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
I don't care what length your crank arm is crank
armank.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Arm length matters Chris.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
I feel like the longer the crank, the straighter
the hoods.
Wait what we're going to see alot of straight hoods at Wheeler
now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Everybody's like taking their mallet out to the
hoods and whacking them out 200mil cranks and straight hoods.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
So do you like longer cranks I?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
ride 172 and a half on both are you opposed to going
shorter?
No, I've got.
I've got 170s on my bikepacking rig because it's a
heavier bike when it's loadedand you want to be able to spin
a little bit faster.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Yes, I will admit to that.
I mean, I like it better on mymountain bike I mean everyone's
going short on mountain bikesbecause bottom brackets are
lower and you pedal strike, butI I have not had a problem and I
was gonna try 170 on road whenI started going shorter.
I was going shorter because thebike I was on at the time did
not have good clearance for forcrits and I was talking with

(01:21:28):
taruki about it and he's like,yeah, try them.
He's like you try 170s, and172.5 felt good and then I just
never, I wasn't gonna buy 170sto try them 170s on the road
gravel for me feels like I don'thave a proper pedal stroke well
, you don't yeah well, yeah, Idon't, yeah, no lie, yeah, it

(01:21:49):
feels like I can't get like sixfoot

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
six three you're six three, yeah, really, yeah,
you're taller than him uh,barely, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yeah, although I'm getting shorter in my old age,
yeah it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
That's bad news for this guy.
Yeah, this is gonna be real badin a couple couple years.
Yeah, so, because I went 165son my mountain bike did you
really huh yeah, I have 165s onmy tri bike.
I would.
I would possibly go like a 160on a tri bike.
Um, dj snyder, do you guys knowwho?
He is super fast triathlete.

(01:22:20):
He won.
It's been a handful of yearsago now, but he won he can't be
that fast because we neitherknow exactly yeah he uh.
Well, he runs fast and swimsfast too.
So that's the problem.
Um he uh.
He won iron man maryland oneyear, like overall yeah as an
amateur and um he rides.
He came in for a fit.
He does 155s holy crap yeah,but I mean he is so slammed and

(01:22:44):
aggressive on his tri bike andbut if you have a really
aggressive position, yeah, it'sa huge benefit yeah, you
aggressive position.
It's a huge benefit.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
If you have hip problems, it's a huge benefit
Because when you're bent over,your hip doesn't have to close
as much.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Yeah, it stays much more open, so you can get much
more aggressive in your frontend of your bikes and if you
have like a legit knee problemor hip problem it is a huge
relief in that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
I do run a significant drop.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Maybe I should go shorter.
I'm telling you it well, get onthe guru.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Here's a shout out for um capital we just carried
that thing up those stairs.
Today it's not light.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Is it shut?

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
up, you moved it over to y'all shop today we moved it
up, the stairs that thing itwasn't as bad as I.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
I'd never really seen the machine.
I didn't pay attention when youdid my foot, it's so they're
like, we're talking about it fora couple months now and yeah,
well, I mean we took it apartbut well, there's only a couple
parts that come off.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Yeah, you still got the platform and you still got
the whole damn bike.
Yeah, it's made out of puresteel.
We did it.
How many of you?
I mean we had five yeahwhenever I bought that, I bought
it in denver, so I drove upthere with a trailer and bought
it and me and a 75 year oldloaded it loaded oh dear lord,

(01:24:00):
how long do you think that took?

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
a lot of breaks it was rough oh, half a day, so
awful.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Yeah, it was terrible um, but yeah, so get on the
guru.
So anybody that has a fit bike.
Wherever, whatever fit shop yougo to you, they have a fit bike
at uh not currently.
They are getting one, hopefullysoon, from other resources um,
if anybody has a fit bike, geton it and they will have the

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ability to do like 165 cranks.
Do your normal setup, do the165 cranks and then start
dropping the front end and justsee how it feels really it is
huh and or put on like, put yournormal setup on there, ride it
like, say, I don't, I'm justgonna throw out out a random
number like 200 watts and 30watts, depending on your, your
ftp, and then so it's like a saya solid zone, three effort zone

(01:24:52):
, you know we have some efforton there and then adjust your
setup with the 165 cranks andfeel the difference.
There is a noticeable difference.
Um, and I think a lot of people, especially like, come into
cycling older, like mash a lot,yeah, shorter cranks will help
them with that.
Like I don't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
I just, I just don't know a negative yeah, yeah, I
don't think there is eitherother than adapting, if you're
used to you do have to changegearing, possibly because yeah
so you could possibly have tochange out some like larger,
yeah, bigger gears harder gears.
Yeah, because you spin too fastsometimes I didn't really think
about the hip angle, becauseI've been messing with my fit

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and finally got it comfortable.
But it's like a 14-centimeterdrop.
Oh, that's a lot, but itfinally feels really good.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
But yeah, at that point shorter would probably
actually benefit me a lot, butalso, if you went from 172.5s to
say 67, say 67 fives, you wouldhave to raise the seat another
five mil and more drop.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Yeah, so the front end may have to come up a little
bit to compensate the sameamount of drop, but again, that
can actually be more comfortableso well, I've always I've been
struggling with getting it lowenough, so that would actually
give you more.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I think everybody should explore it and we have
resources, the ability toexplore before you have to spend
the money.
But now there's so manycompanies making them you can
get cranks fairly inexpensive.
Yeah, there's a lot ofdifferent companies out there
that make short ones.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, the problem becomes when it happens.
It becomes a thing in the tourand then demand goes through the
roof and you have manufacturersgoing wait.
Why does everybody want38-centimeter bars now all?

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
of a sudden yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Well, there's a we, we sell BMC, and there's their
aero bike comes every size.
It comes with integrated barstem, every size.
So like 47 to 61, 36centimeters, 36?
.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
And they, I mean based on their data, their data
that's.
I don't know if it's fastest,but wow, 36, I mean you can run.
Luckily you can put other barstems on that bike, but that's
standard spec.
It's a flare, so it's.
You know whatever at the drops,but nobody rides on drops like
yeah like man, if I get thatbike I would have to do a

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different bar.
Yeah, because that is for me.
I would just be your chestclosed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, I can't breathe .
No, you cannot have any boobies.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
No, no, yeah, you know your gym work, you'd be
screwed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
I would be terrible.
I'm tired of taking thosepictures of the weights.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
I just sit in there with my sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Do people get mad that you come by and take
pictures of their weights?

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
There's nobody in there.
They never claim you're lifting, you say lunch.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
We never see him picking the weight up, he's just
looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Perkinson's the same thing.
Are you actually lifting that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
No, it's a great place to go sit and eat lunch.
Meatball sub.
Looking at the weights, one dayI'm going to pick one up.
I'm going to re-rack those Agallon of Coke.
Somebody should have re-rackedthose weights when they left.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Damn it, do you?

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
boys have any other hot takes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
I don't think so.
The start of the season isabout to hit.
I know I'm excited, me too.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Well, let's do this.
Springtime you have a big event.
I mean everybody's going toWachtau.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
My big event.
I haven't been training at all.
I rode Saturday and I was likeI'm going to see how many days
I've ridden.
In February it was three daysWow, I haven't been riding at
all.
Wow, days I haven't been ridingat all.
I've just been in a funk andnot wanting to ride.
But I started riding.
But I'm doing 12 hours atTwisted Oat Benefiting Mark

(01:28:33):
Taruki.
There's not a good reason notto do that race.
You can do any duration or teamor whatever, but I'll do the
12-hour solo.
I did it last year, so startriding now, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
And I have a month and I have to go out there
whenever we record that podcast.
Holy cow, is that placebeautiful?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
It's awesome, great race course.
It's pretty cool, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
It's incredible, the course is not too hard for
anybody.
If you're not skilled, there'sprobably a couple sections you
might get off your bike.
But I mean, I rode it for 12hours last year and there was
never anything that I was, youknow, even being that tired that
was felt dangerous and therewas still parts that were fun.
Every single lap.
He's done a really good jobwith it, and I mean the.

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The cause behind it should bereason enough to go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Most importantly, it's donating to a man who's
fighting for his life literallyyeah, and he was given so much
the sport, so yeah yeah, forsure so I think everyone should
be at that event, but that'sthat's kind of like I need.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
Finally, it was like I need to get my ass, I need to
be riding, so I can at least um,and I don't know if ray's
covered this, but I know they'redoing.
Uh, like I talked to him aboutdoing a um, like you sign up for
the event, obviously, whichraises money, but then, but then
you can donate, you can yeah,based.
I don't know if it's mileage orlaps but you can.
You can raise additional fundsoutside of the entries based on

(01:29:56):
the distance you do, and I don'tremember how he set it up.
I think once you enter you getthe link to do that.
So yeah, like every mile orevery lap I ride is going to
raise more money and super cool.
So that's going to pull inpotentially way more money
because you reach out to peoplethat would never be at the event
.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
That's awesome.
Yeah, somehow get involved inthat event, either just donating
money or going and riding, ordonating to a rider that's
racing it or something like that.
It's a good course.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Very cool.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
A good course.
Mr White, is there any bigevent you have coming up?

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
Just Mr White, is there any big event you have
coming up?
Just the usual cast of stuffMidSouth Ouachita, I suppose,
Red Bud, the OKC WorldChampionship.
It's a true story.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
I've never done it Really.
Yeah, that's what I've heard.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
I probably won't start now no Not, unless you
really want a good chance ofhurting yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Yeah, if you really want to test your bike handling
skills on the road, go to go tothe first 10 miles of red bud
yeah, yeah, um, this weekend Ithink we're going to kansas.
There's a I heard it's nicethis time of year, yeah I got
roped into going to a 50 milerace up there oh so 59 miles and

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I think it's 1600 feet ofelevation it's pretty flat yeah
that's pretty flat trainer rideyeah just kind of put the head
down and go.
I like it, yep all right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Well, maybe let's do, uh, let's do a recap after the
first couple of mountain bikeraces and wash tall, and that
should make for someentertaining stories and some
wheelers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
So we can do the wall of shame.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, maybe with wheeler we can like
document anybody, that's being adick that day.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
Yeah, live.
If you see us out there withour clipboard, be aware that's
right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
You have been marked.
You're on the next podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
You're going on the wall.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
All right Awesome.