January 28, 2025 • 27 mins
Josh aka Bearded_Nova
I'm from Australia and am what you would call a father who games. I have 5 kids so not as much time to game as I used to. But I still game and stream when I can. So come join me on Twitch in chat as we chill out.
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Josh aka Moorph
I'm a US-based husband and father of two boys. I work full-time and have been a content creator since 2000. I'm a YouTube partner, Twitch and LiveSpace streamer who founded a content creation coaching company called Elev8d Media Group (elev8d.media). I'm a blogger, streamer, podcaster, and video-er(?).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Turning off normal human male mode.
Switching to dad mode.
Welcome in to dad mode Withyour hosts Bearded, Nova and
Morph.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So my son, my oldest son, is 13.
He's got a phone and he hasstarted to become interested in
girls, right?
Yeah, I don't normally checkhis phone history.
I did the other day because hedared me to, oh he dared you to.
I had to bleach my eyesafterwards and I realized, oh,
(00:43):
it might be time to have a talkwith him about sex and
pornography and stuff like that,and I have not dreaded anything
as much as the anticipation ofdoing that.
My wife has already started theconversation with him and you
can hear him cringing fromacross the house yeah, yeah and.
(01:05):
But there's still a lot more todo.
How's it been with you and fivekids school system?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
that's all I gotta say.
School, take care of that.
Got questions outside of thatcome back to me, because the
school's kind of like they theybring in, usually bring in like
a third party travels to theschool and does the talk,
depending on the and theythey've worded appropriately to
that age group or to you know,so they, the topics brought up
are more appropriate, I guess,and then it's more anything
(01:34):
outside of that.
Come back and talk to us.
I guess.
Every time they just come backdisgusted also.
So it's like there's verylimited that you need to talk
about, because that's that's it.
Um, mainly having daughters.
Wife takes care of that.
Son.
Yeah, yeah, we.
I think we talked about thisreally early on in the podcast
(01:56):
where my son in early primaryschool, him and friends, friends
had brought up about animeboobs and then next thing, you
know that's what they'researching on their ipads at
school and then I'm gettingcalled in to to deal with the
situation.
That is why is your son lookingat anime boobs?
Where he is now?
I don't know, I don't.
(02:16):
I know there's the interest forgirls and that, but I know that
the, the talk around sex hasbeen there.
I think we've had that talk atthe time about pornography, I
haven't seen anything pop up inthe system.
I guess when that happened thatcaused me to relook at the
privacy settings on all ourdevices.
I guess, yeah, but nothing'sflagged since then.
(02:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm in the middle of looking up additional filters
for the phone and the computers,because there's a lot of ways
around it, you know, with thegoogle family link.
Oh, is it?
Yeah, it's not, it's notdifficult at all, um apparently
I know my wi-fi itself hasfiltering through it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh yeah, so that we have a the mesh, the mesh
network at home.
All the kids, their devices arelocked to their own profiles,
so one.
I can just disconnect theinternet on all their devices if
I want to on the individualchild, not the whole household.
Yep, but mainly because, yeah, Ican, and it's popped up a car.
Oh sorry, I'll go back.
It's come back and said thatthey've blocked attempts at
(03:22):
looking at different things.
But then when I brought it upor I've gone to the wife, I'm
like, hey, you want to go askwhat this is about.
Nothing's really come from it,so I don't know if it's a pop up
or something else that has donethat you know, yeah, it's
interesting having the talks.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, you don't, you're not trying to discourage
them, you're trying to just givethem the real reality of what
things are.
Given the real reality of whatthings are, I've heard other
people like talk very negativelyabout sex and porn and stuff
like this.
And you know, it's like givingtheir kids these big, crazy,
dark speeches and it's like,yeah, but sex is awesome.
Like just don't do it.
(03:56):
Yet.
You know, I don't know whatelse to say, man, you know, yeah
it's?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I don't know, because I never had the conversation
myself.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of, I guess,rolling off what I personally
know myself.
And then it's like, oh cool,these people are having, you
know, children, are havingbabies.
Obviously they've worked outwhat that is about.
But the conversation, I guess,because you can't avoid things.
You can't just put someone intoa nunnery or a Buddhist monk or
(04:26):
whatever.
You know what I mean.
You can't force your childreninto this life.
Shit is going to happen one wayor another.
I guess giving like we'vetalked about so many times
before, giving that knowledgeand the ability to make the
right choices in situations, iswhat's important.
Yep.
Understanding consequences toour decisions absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I think the thing that, you know, my wife and I
have been talking more about is,like you know how porn isn't
real, it's just it's, it's fakeit's made up right, yeah, right.
So like, don't think peoplearen't really like that in real
life.
You know they don't act likethat whatever.
And then there's a consequenceside right, don't take pictures,
don't.
(05:09):
If you get pictures, deletethem, cause you're you're a
minor dude, you know consent.
Consent is a real thing, youknow.
So we try to give him thosekinds of messages, not like to
scare him, but so he understandsthe seriousness of of it too.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean, you know the other, another thing I think
it's more of a something that wedidn't have to deal with
growing up only fans yeah, man,you got this whole new, new side
of the business fans, the onlyfans, all this stuff where
anyone and anyone can takephotos and start selling and and
doing this.
And I found it interestingbecause we have, and when
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children finish their highschool, here it's a tradition to
have schoolies, which is kindof like a spring break, but it's
schoolies is for the end ofyear celebrations when school's
finished for the year, 12students and they all go to.
Every state's got its different, it's different place where
most kids go to, but for us hereit's down to the gold coast,
(06:10):
down to the beach.
They all get these apartments,the, you know, the council and
all that.
The they all put in like Gatedoff areas for the kids so
they're not mixing with.
You know, try to control it inthe best way, you know, make it
safe for kids, basically, yeah,but there was on the news women
(06:31):
from OnlyFans trying to go toschoolies to find children who
were just turning 18 to appearin their content.
So you've got to think.
Think you got young kids mostlikely drinking, whether it's
underage or not.
You know, 17 year olds, etc.
Making stupid choices and thenending up on a site like that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know what I mean.
Yep, where, where, unlike whenwe grew up, that shit lasts
forever.
It's out there.
Once it's posted, it's outthere forever.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah yeah, it's, you know, yeah it's.
It's more than a one-nightstand.
I guess and I guess it was hardto say you know, the best thing
you can do there is just talkabout, talk about these kids and
go.
Hey, I often don't make theright decision, but that's
something I never would have hadto think about, going to school
like to my break.
That being said, I don't knowhow it would be if they turn
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around and said you know, I'mpartying and all these women are
like, do you want to be in porn?
I'm like kind of the same thing, but the the, the chances of
that happening you know a lotsmaller, I guess.
And it's it's scary that at thesame time and you know, we got
straight girls doing that, youknow, looking for young males
and other you know either sideto do.
(07:44):
The year before, I don't know,you had trans OnlyFans people
going down there and then doingthe same, but not disclosing, I
guess, was purposely going out,trying.
Yeah, I think that that's wrongtoo, but I don't even know how,
(08:06):
where to start with that.
I don't right it's it's harder.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
There's so many more things.
There's so many avenues aboutwhen I was growing up.
Yeah, and stuff is way moreaccessible ever than when I was
growing up.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's 56 you know, yeah, over 18.
Then clicking and waitingminutes for this picture to
slowly progress down the screen.
That was it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Nowadays it's so much more that's in the kids faces,
so much like you type in drseuss and google and inevitably
you'll see some kind of pornimage or something yeah,
anything, anything.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's a rule 34 of the internet, you know.
I mean everything's,everything's got its own way of
going that way.
It's disgusting and I don'tknow, I don't know what else to
do, like, yeah, we don't I don'teither.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's so, but it's it's.
I mean all you can do is justgive, give.
Give your kids the informationthey need to not make stupid
choices how do you feel afterthe conversation?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
like follow ups, do you feel like there needs to be
follow-ups or check-ins?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I feel like there needs to be follow ups, because
we found that we could only doit for a few minutes at a time
before it, because every nobodywants to be in it.
We don't want to say it, hedoesn't want to hear it.
Yeah, you know, nobody likes it, nobody, you know.
But so it's like get a littlebit of information and then a
couple of weeks later, here's alittle bit more.
(09:32):
You know, it's just constant,though we're trying to mask
anything.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Just making sure that you know we're as open as we
can be about stuff.
Yeah, try not to.
You don't want to give him thewrong information that forces
him into a down a rabbit hole,into a way that's gonna bring up
even more of the wrongness youknow.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's, it's balancing that act of what's the
right amount to feed, I guessyeah, so you know that I'm a big
fan of of ai and chat, gpt andall that oh god, did you go to?
It shouldn't surprise you thatwhen I was getting ready to have
the talk yeah, I said, hey,chat gpt, how should I talk to
my 13 year old boy about thisstuff?
(10:19):
And it gave me a long list.
That was really good.
Actually, really, I'm doing itright now.
Yeah, I actually.
I took the, what it gave me,and sent it to my wife.
I'm like, hey, we should, weshould look at this.
And yeah, so I'm looking at mychat GPT history, it's called
talking to teens about porn andso gave me a, a 10 list, a 10
(10:43):
bulleted, a 10 item list ofthings.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna readsome of it out.
One is create a safe environment.
Choose a time and place whereyou won't be interrupted.
Keep the tone relaxed andnon-judgmental so they feel
comfortable opening up.
Sure, sure, makes sense.
Second one start with questions.
Ask what they already know orif they've heard about
(11:03):
pornography.
For example, have you ever comeacross stuff online that made
you feel confused or curious?
And this helps you gauge thelevel of exposure and
understanding.
Sure, yeah, go, makes sense.
Three be honest and direct.
Explain what pornography is inage-appropriate terms.
Pornography is when people makevideos or pictures of sexual
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things for others to watch.
Acknowledges exist withoutmaking it taboo.
That's the first three.
They all make sense, so farright.
Number four is where it gets alittle bit.
It turns a little bit.
Discuss.
It says discuss why it's aproblem.
Talk about how porn is notrealistic.
It's like watching a superheromovie.
It's made to look cool, butit's not how relationships or
bodies work.
You disagree, but highlightpotential issues like addiction,
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distorted views ofrelationships or the way it can
objectify people.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I get that why it's a problem, but some things do
work, like you see.
Yeah, I'm just having a look atit myself.
Yeah, and it's interesting.
It's a good way, you know I'vegot choose the right moment.
Stay calm and non-judgmental.
Start with open-ended questions, which is, you know, that's
right.
Share age-appropriateinformation, yep.
(12:18):
Emphasize healthy relationships, which I think is a massive one
this year.
Discuss digital safety.
Normalize curiosity, but setboundaries.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
The list is almost exactly the same, yeah be open
and honest problem.
Yeah, my next was emphasizehave healthy relationships.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Next was talk about media literacy, next was
acknowledge curiosity and nextwas set boundaries last one it
has here is provide resources,which I think is a smart way to
do it.
You can have the chat but thenmaybe have a look at other third
party point of look at othersites that really specialize and
maybe see especially that, asyou can send kids links and go,
hey, if you want to read aboutit more, this is a great place
(12:58):
to talk about yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So when I asked and got that list yeah, you know it,
it actually did really help me.
You know, it gave me like thisoutline, yeah, of what I could
do, because I'm like what shouldI say?
Should I do this, should I dothat, like you know, and I was
like oh all right, these makesense.
You know, let's let's kind oftick some of these off and and
(13:21):
and see how, what we can do this, you know so chat gpt is
actually giving me an example ofstarting the conversation.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Oh, really, yeah.
So it says, hey, I wanted totalk about something important.
These days, it's really easy tocome across things online that
might feel confusing oruncomfortable, like pornography.
Have you seen or heard anythinglike it?
It's okay to be honest.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I just want to help you make sense of it yeah, if
your parents came to you at 13and said, hey, nova, well, maybe
they don't call you nova do youknow what porn is you're like?
No, no, no, how do you?
How do you pronounce that?
Is that some type of frenchword?
I didn't learn french at school, right?
So, like having thoseconversations and have your kids
(14:05):
being open and direct andhaving to be as less awkward as
possible starts before that,right, it starts with having
open and honest and directcommunication with your kids
from the time they were born,right, and so when you have,
when you come to the time, let'stalk about sex and porn, all
this other more uncomfortablestuff.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You already have established a relationship
openness and directness I thinkthat's a massive one to remember
that teens value honesty andopenness.
You know, as kids get old theystart to see through a little
bit of the bullshit, and thatyou're setting a stage for them
to trust you as a reliablesource of God.
If you give them that wronginformation and it sets them on
(14:46):
a wrong path, they're not goingto come back to you to have more
of a conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And then they'll get a little older 18, 19, 20, and
they'll look at you and realizethat you're a fucking mess.
That was barely holding ittogether raising them, but you
know, up until that was barelyholding it together raising them
, yeah, but you know, up untilthat point, you know they think
that you're you're on a pedestaland that you got your shit
together.
Yeah, exactly, none of us do.
None of us do it's.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's definitely a hard time, especially as kids
get older, but I I like to thinkof it realistically.
This conversation is the lasthard conversation you've really
got.
You might come across aheartbreak.
You know that's one that'sinevitable that'll come up.
There's lots of otherconversations that can come up,
(15:34):
I guess.
Drug use, yep, butrealistically, if you're looking
at it, most parents are allgoing to fall on the same line
that it's sex and pornography isthe hardest one.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, to have like drugs and drinking.
It's like don't do it untilyou're old enough.
And here's why, like that's nothard, but this this is this
makes people uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I never was given the talk growing up, I just had to
figure stuff out I think we weregiven a vhs tape off memory,
like here's a vh test tape andhere's a book, I think, off
memory.
And the vhs tape was like, fromthe snippets that are in my
memory, weird, it was likecartoon, did you?
It's like, you know, cartoon.
(16:17):
It wasn't like it was like acartoon, but I had to that.
So hentai, yeah.
The problem is it had soundeffects.
From what I remember, it hadthose cartoon sound effects like
boing, and it doesn't need that.
It had a lot of things whereit's confusing.
This is not how it works, yeah,but, like I said, our school
(16:37):
system actually the schoolsystem kind of here just really
does cover everything.
It is something that you takeas a parent do you wish your
children to participate?
Yes, no, etc.
They usually, they usually goover a bit of it at the same
time.
They give you a bit ofinformation to go hey, this is
what we're going to be talkingabout anyway, and that allows
you to have that conversation.
(16:58):
So how it's worked for us mostof the time the kids have gone
to school, they've learned thebits over the time, and then
over dinner or something likethat, when we're having a family
discussion or talking to them.
You're like, hey, we know youhad this, you know this class
was on today.
Was there anything you wereconfused with?
Or was there anything you'renot sure of?
Did you learn anything you know?
(17:18):
Most of the time it's no, no,no, don't want to talk about it,
but at least you're opening.
You know for us where we'releaving that door open to have
that conversation if they wishto know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah I think one of the important things too, if
it's not obvious already isdon't be judgmental, no right,
don't.
And don't try to shame yourkids.
They'll never open up to you.
Nah, I, you know it's funnylike.
Openness, directness, goodcommunication and in your
relationship with your child areimportant.
Up for me, up to a point whenthey start dating and becoming
(17:51):
active.
Yeah, I don't want to knowanything.
I don't want to know anythingthat you're doing.
Please do not give me detailsno, I don't need details.
I don't, I don't, I don't wantto because you know what, if you
give me details, I'm gonna giveyou details about me and your
mom.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Enjoy yeah yeah, but no, yeah, that's.
I'm leaving that there.
You can.
We can end up there.
Just don't bring up details, oryou and your mom?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
you know, your mom and I are going to be giving you
stories now yeah, because it'sfair Now that I've made this
really uncomfortable foreverybody listening and
recording this.
No, it's definitely animportant thing to do, and
especially since, like we said,things are a little bit
different than when I wasgrowing up, than when Nova was
(18:37):
growing up.
Things are more accessible,people are more.
There's more sexuality out inpublic, I feel, than there ever
has been.
Look at like Twitch, which wementioned before, or Instagram,
or any of the social media sites.
There's a lot more sexualityout in society that you have to
prepare them for than we everhad to deal with.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I think, leverage the internet in the correct ways to
get that information, and thenyou know it's a double-edged
sword it can show you the wronginformation and the right
information.
Have this conversation like wetalked about a little bit before
and I said maybe look online,get some resources online.
Usually, health pages are thegood ones.
I know it's a very boring talk,but health pages are a great
(19:18):
start.
Get the information that theywant.
Allow them to access thatinformation so they can discover
or find out things that theymight not feel comfortable in
talking to you, but at leastthey can read about it and then
maybe come back to you if theyhave any questions further on it
yep, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
You know we were talking, I think, before we
started this, about filters andlocking things down.
You want things to be open, butyou also don't want to be
stupid and you want to protectthem from themselves, sometimes
because they're going to getcurious.
They're going to get curiousand you know age appropriate.
Maybe every parent makes theirown decision, but like I don't
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want my kid to stumble acrossstuff yet, I just don't think
it's.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
They're not, he's not ready, I think it's working out
what's age appropriate for yourchild.
That makes you feel comfortable.
Right, sure, there's somethings that are probably age
appropriate, you know in general, but yeah, everyone's gauge of
what is appropriate at a certainage is different and work on
what you feel comfortable iswith your household and your
family and so on.
I mean you can we all knowyou've got the parents at either
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end of the scale.
You know what I mean.
Where do you want to sit?
Do you want to be the parent atthe fan, that at the school
that everyone goes?
Okay, that was the parent thatstarted this whole sexual thing.
It was their child and they arethe parents that started it.
Or do you want to be the otherparent at the other end, where
everyone knows about and you'restill sheltering them?
You don't, I'm assuming youdon't want to be either.
You kind of want to find yourplace in the middle yeah, there,
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there is no right path to take.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's.
It's like like he's sayingevery situation a little bit
different, every kid is a littlebit different.
They mature at different rates,they expose to different things
, so you kind of have to playthat by ear.
If you notice that they're verysocial or you know they talk
about their friends are datingat a young age, maybe you start
a conversation earlier.
Yeah, you know.
Or I was an absolute nerd inschool so my mom didn't have to
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really worry about any of thattill I got into high school.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know, but every everybody's different, yeah
everyone's different just gaugeit off, the social aspect of how
your children are going so theone, the one thing I can?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I can definitely.
Who is thinking, oh man, Ireally have to do this for my
kids?
Is it will and you're thinkingit's going to be awkward or
uncomfortable it will be.
It will be awkward, it will beuncomfortable.
Do your research, Be preparedfor the questions.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Use correct terms and don't judge your kids.
Use correct terms.
I guess that's the best one.
Be correct with what justsaying I guess, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And also, unlike what you've heard, when somebody
catches a kid smoking, you knowyou make them smoke the whole
pack.
If you catch a kid watchingporn, you you can't make them
watch all of the porn, likethat's not gonna help at all I
can't say it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I can't say it.
Oh geez, yeah, come out.
Like quagmire, I guess diggity.
Oh geez, yeah, come out likequagmire, I guess, diggity.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh, all right oh, that's awesome.
My kids have been watchingfamily guy, yeah, and I'm like I
don't need to have the talkbecause it's all on a family guy
everything's on tv now so, yeah, thank you tv for raising my
kids.
No, I don't know, that'sawesome and then that did you
have?
so you have everything from likewhat, how old's the quota now?
Two, one, one a bit right, onea bit, one a bit.
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And you got up to like a 15right, 16, 16 now.
Wow, so you've had thisconversation multiple times, or
do you have like a differentsystem?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
let it go school just let the school take it all.
School is taking it all.
Yeah, that's how we've done it.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Our school system doesn't seem to really do that.
They talk.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I've talked a little bit about sex a little bit, but
that's no, but that's it I said,our school system goes hard,
like a like I've talked aboutbefore, like social, social
media and bullying and all thatlike it goes hard and oh it
doesn't here, so parents willhave to do a lot of the work
(23:16):
yeah, no, even you know, theother day, just before after
christmas, couple of days afterchristmas, I was reading how
another child had taken theirlife because online social media
like just after christmas.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It was a sad thing to read, yeah you're not not to
change topics, but that likethat's one of those things that
you hear every now and thenwhere it's like and this is why
I'm not letting my kid on socialmedia.
Yet you know, I know these Ireally wouldn't be other like I
don't want to.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yet you know, um, the more that shit pops up the more
that shit pops up, the more I'mlike happy that that band's
coming, I guess oh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You guys have the band coming.
When does?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
it start pretty in place.
I've got a year to work out howto.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The company's got a year in place to work out how to
do it I forgot, if you didn'tcatch our an episode I don't
know how long ago it was, butaustralia well, actually, I'll
let you tell it since, yeah,australia is banning social
media for children under the ageof 16?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
right, yeah, it's up to the platforms to make sure
that children cannot access themit's.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's going to be interesting, and it's the first
of its kind in the world, isn'tit?
Yeah yeah, so if, depending,the world's watching and they
want to see how it works, and ifit seems to be successful, it's
going to start beingimplemented everywhere it will.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That's, that's how I say.
It'll be one of those thingsthat if it works, it'll.
Other countries will just rollin and go no, no, no, we, we
don't want this either, andit'll right, that's right we
brought I brought steam ref.
You know, digital refundswasn't a thing until australia
turned around and said, hey,that's bullshit, you should be
out.
If you're selling something,you should be able to return it,
(24:52):
and we all can return our steamgames and xbox games and
playstation.
You know we couldn't do thatbefore and you can't now, but
thank you and that was veryquickly adopted across the world
, worldwide after australia.
Sued steam basically, yeah yeah,that's, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
The last piece of social media news I'll give you
is so there's a a new governmentcoming into plow or in power in
the us, yeah, and they havealready said they don't want to
ban tiktok.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So wasn't this the same government that?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
started the tiktok like this month or something.
But it may not, because theincoming president doesn't want
it to.
Let's rewind it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Maybe isn't this the same president that started the
whole tiktok yes, yeah yeah,cool, all right, just making
sure I was on the same path,like I'm like I swear this
started because of like we'renot doing anything to china you
know how we phones except youknow the whole end.
Yeah, okay, cool, we're in.
Doing anything to China, youknow Hawaii, except you know the
whole end.
Yeah, okay, cool, we're in.
It Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So no, it doesn't but yep, we'll just go with that.
Let's just go with it, I'llaccept it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Let's maybe kindly realize that Taiwan and China
are two different countries.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Unless you ask China.
Yeah, so do you have any lastpieces of advice you would give
any parent who knows they haveto do this?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Nah, just embrace the fact that you're going to have
to do it.
You can't avoid it.
You really can't In some wayshape or form.
You will be having a chat tothem about it.
Whether you give them all theinformation straight up, someone
else does.
You still need to touch baseand make sure that what they do
know is correct.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
So my son, my oldest son, is 13.
He's got a phone and he hasstarted to become interested in
girls, right?
Yeah, I don't normally checkhis phone history.
I did the other day because hedared me to, oh he dared you to.
I had to bleach my eyesafterwards and I realized, oh,
(00:43):
it might be time to have a talkwith him about sex and
pornography and stuff like that,and I have not dreaded anything
as much as the anticipation ofdoing that.
My wife has already started theconversation with him and you
can hear him cringing fromacross the house yeah, yeah and.
(01:05):
But there's still a lot more todo.
How's it been with you and fivekids school system?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
that's all I gotta say.
School, take care of that.
Got questions outside of thatcome back to me, because the
school's kind of like they theybring in, usually bring in like
a third party travels to theschool and does the talk,
depending on the and theythey've worded appropriately to
that age group or to you know,so they, the topics brought up
are more appropriate, I guess,and then it's more anything
(01:34):
outside of that.
Come back and talk to us.
I guess.
Every time they just come backdisgusted also.
So it's like there's verylimited that you need to talk
about, because that's that's it.
Um, mainly having daughters.
Wife takes care of that.
Son.
Yeah, yeah, we.
I think we talked about thisreally early on in the podcast
(01:56):
where my son in early primaryschool, him and friends, friends
had brought up about animeboobs and then next thing, you
know that's what they'researching on their ipads at
school and then I'm gettingcalled in to to deal with the
situation.
That is why is your son lookingat anime boobs?
Where he is now?
I don't know, I don't.
(02:16):
I know there's the interest forgirls and that, but I know that
the, the talk around sex hasbeen there.
I think we've had that talk atthe time about pornography, I
haven't seen anything pop up inthe system.
I guess when that happened thatcaused me to relook at the
privacy settings on all ourdevices.
I guess, yeah, but nothing'sflagged since then.
(02:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm in the middle of looking up additional filters
for the phone and the computers,because there's a lot of ways
around it, you know, with thegoogle family link.
Oh, is it?
Yeah, it's not, it's notdifficult at all, um apparently
I know my wi-fi itself hasfiltering through it.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh yeah, so that we have a the mesh, the mesh
network at home.
All the kids, their devices arelocked to their own profiles,
so one.
I can just disconnect theinternet on all their devices if
I want to on the individualchild, not the whole household.
Yep, but mainly because, yeah, Ican, and it's popped up a car.
Oh sorry, I'll go back.
It's come back and said thatthey've blocked attempts at
(03:22):
looking at different things.
But then when I brought it upor I've gone to the wife, I'm
like, hey, you want to go askwhat this is about.
Nothing's really come from it,so I don't know if it's a pop up
or something else that has donethat you know, yeah, it's
interesting having the talks.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, you don't, you're not trying to discourage
them, you're trying to just givethem the real reality of what
things are.
Given the real reality of whatthings are, I've heard other
people like talk very negativelyabout sex and porn and stuff
like this.
And you know, it's like givingtheir kids these big, crazy,
dark speeches and it's like,yeah, but sex is awesome.
Like just don't do it.
(03:56):
Yet.
You know, I don't know whatelse to say, man, you know, yeah
it's?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I don't know, because I never had the conversation
myself.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of, I guess,rolling off what I personally
know myself.
And then it's like, oh cool,these people are having, you
know, children, are havingbabies.
Obviously they've worked outwhat that is about.
But the conversation, I guess,because you can't avoid things.
You can't just put someone intoa nunnery or a Buddhist monk or
(04:26):
whatever.
You know what I mean.
You can't force your childreninto this life.
Shit is going to happen one wayor another.
I guess giving like we'vetalked about so many times
before, giving that knowledgeand the ability to make the
right choices in situations, iswhat's important.
Yep.
Understanding consequences toour decisions absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I think the thing that, you know, my wife and I
have been talking more about is,like you know how porn isn't
real, it's just it's, it's fakeit's made up right, yeah, right.
So like, don't think peoplearen't really like that in real
life.
You know they don't act likethat whatever.
And then there's a consequenceside right, don't take pictures,
don't.
(05:09):
If you get pictures, deletethem, cause you're you're a
minor dude, you know consent.
Consent is a real thing, youknow.
So we try to give him thosekinds of messages, not like to
scare him, but so he understandsthe seriousness of of it too.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I mean, you know the other, another thing I think
it's more of a something that wedidn't have to deal with
growing up only fans yeah, man,you got this whole new, new side
of the business fans, the onlyfans, all this stuff where
anyone and anyone can takephotos and start selling and and
doing this.
And I found it interestingbecause we have, and when
(05:49):
children finish their highschool, here it's a tradition to
have schoolies, which is kindof like a spring break, but it's
schoolies is for the end ofyear celebrations when school's
finished for the year, 12students and they all go to.
Every state's got its different, it's different place where
most kids go to, but for us hereit's down to the gold coast,
(06:10):
down to the beach.
They all get these apartments,the, you know, the council and
all that.
The they all put in like Gatedoff areas for the kids so
they're not mixing with.
You know, try to control it inthe best way, you know, make it
safe for kids, basically, yeah,but there was on the news women
(06:31):
from OnlyFans trying to go toschoolies to find children who
were just turning 18 to appearin their content.
So you've got to think.
Think you got young kids mostlikely drinking, whether it's
underage or not.
You know, 17 year olds, etc.
Making stupid choices and thenending up on a site like that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know what I mean.
Yep, where, where, unlike whenwe grew up, that shit lasts
forever.
It's out there.
Once it's posted, it's outthere forever.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah yeah, it's, you know, yeah it's.
It's more than a one-nightstand.
I guess and I guess it was hardto say you know, the best thing
you can do there is just talkabout, talk about these kids and
go.
Hey, I often don't make theright decision, but that's
something I never would have hadto think about, going to school
like to my break.
That being said, I don't knowhow it would be if they turn
(07:21):
around and said you know, I'mpartying and all these women are
like, do you want to be in porn?
I'm like kind of the same thing, but the the, the chances of
that happening you know a lotsmaller, I guess.
And it's it's scary that at thesame time and you know, we got
straight girls doing that, youknow, looking for young males
and other you know either sideto do.
(07:44):
The year before, I don't know,you had trans OnlyFans people
going down there and then doingthe same, but not disclosing, I
guess, was purposely going out,trying.
Yeah, I think that that's wrongtoo, but I don't even know how,
(08:06):
where to start with that.
I don't right it's it's harder.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
There's so many more things.
There's so many avenues aboutwhen I was growing up.
Yeah, and stuff is way moreaccessible ever than when I was
growing up.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's 56 you know, yeah, over 18.
Then clicking and waitingminutes for this picture to
slowly progress down the screen.
That was it.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Nowadays it's so much more that's in the kids faces,
so much like you type in drseuss and google and inevitably
you'll see some kind of pornimage or something yeah,
anything, anything.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's a rule 34 of the internet, you know.
I mean everything's,everything's got its own way of
going that way.
It's disgusting and I don'tknow, I don't know what else to
do, like, yeah, we don't I don'teither.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's so, but it's it's.
I mean all you can do is justgive, give.
Give your kids the informationthey need to not make stupid
choices how do you feel afterthe conversation?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
like follow ups, do you feel like there needs to be
follow-ups or check-ins?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I feel like there needs to be follow ups, because
we found that we could only doit for a few minutes at a time
before it, because every nobodywants to be in it.
We don't want to say it, hedoesn't want to hear it.
Yeah, you know, nobody likes it, nobody, you know.
But so it's like get a littlebit of information and then a
couple of weeks later, here's alittle bit more.
(09:32):
You know, it's just constant,though we're trying to mask
anything.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Just making sure that you know we're as open as we
can be about stuff.
Yeah, try not to.
You don't want to give him thewrong information that forces
him into a down a rabbit hole,into a way that's gonna bring up
even more of the wrongness youknow.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it's, it's balancing that act of what's the
right amount to feed, I guessyeah, so you know that I'm a big
fan of of ai and chat, gpt andall that oh god, did you go to?
It shouldn't surprise you thatwhen I was getting ready to have
the talk yeah, I said, hey,chat gpt, how should I talk to
my 13 year old boy about thisstuff?
(10:19):
And it gave me a long list.
That was really good.
Actually, really, I'm doing itright now.
Yeah, I actually.
I took the, what it gave me,and sent it to my wife.
I'm like, hey, we should, weshould look at this.
And yeah, so I'm looking at mychat GPT history, it's called
talking to teens about porn andso gave me a, a 10 list, a 10
(10:43):
bulleted, a 10 item list ofthings.
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna readsome of it out.
One is create a safe environment.
Choose a time and place whereyou won't be interrupted.
Keep the tone relaxed andnon-judgmental so they feel
comfortable opening up.
Sure, sure, makes sense.
Second one start with questions.
Ask what they already know orif they've heard about
(11:03):
pornography.
For example, have you ever comeacross stuff online that made
you feel confused or curious?
And this helps you gauge thelevel of exposure and
understanding.
Sure, yeah, go, makes sense.
Three be honest and direct.
Explain what pornography is inage-appropriate terms.
Pornography is when people makevideos or pictures of sexual
(11:25):
things for others to watch.
Acknowledges exist withoutmaking it taboo.
That's the first three.
They all make sense, so farright.
Number four is where it gets alittle bit.
It turns a little bit.
Discuss.
It says discuss why it's aproblem.
Talk about how porn is notrealistic.
It's like watching a superheromovie.
It's made to look cool, butit's not how relationships or
bodies work.
You disagree, but highlightpotential issues like addiction,
(11:48):
distorted views ofrelationships or the way it can
objectify people.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I get that why it's a problem, but some things do
work, like you see.
Yeah, I'm just having a look atit myself.
Yeah, and it's interesting.
It's a good way, you know I'vegot choose the right moment.
Stay calm and non-judgmental.
Start with open-ended questions, which is, you know, that's
right.
Share age-appropriateinformation, yep.
(12:18):
Emphasize healthy relationships, which I think is a massive one
this year.
Discuss digital safety.
Normalize curiosity, but setboundaries.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
The list is almost exactly the same, yeah be open
and honest problem.
Yeah, my next was emphasizehave healthy relationships.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Next was talk about media literacy, next was
acknowledge curiosity and nextwas set boundaries last one it
has here is provide resources,which I think is a smart way to
do it.
You can have the chat but thenmaybe have a look at other third
party point of look at othersites that really specialize and
maybe see especially that, asyou can send kids links and go,
hey, if you want to read aboutit more, this is a great place
(12:58):
to talk about yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So when I asked and got that list yeah, you know it,
it actually did really help me.
You know, it gave me like thisoutline, yeah, of what I could
do, because I'm like what shouldI say?
Should I do this, should I dothat, like you know, and I was
like oh all right, these makesense.
You know, let's let's kind oftick some of these off and and
(13:21):
and see how, what we can do this, you know so chat gpt is
actually giving me an example ofstarting the conversation.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Oh, really, yeah.
So it says, hey, I wanted totalk about something important.
These days, it's really easy tocome across things online that
might feel confusing oruncomfortable, like pornography.
Have you seen or heard anythinglike it?
It's okay to be honest.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I just want to help you make sense of it yeah, if
your parents came to you at 13and said, hey, nova, well, maybe
they don't call you nova do youknow what porn is you're like?
No, no, no, how do you?
How do you pronounce that?
Is that some type of frenchword?
I didn't learn french at school, right?
So, like having thoseconversations and have your kids
(14:05):
being open and direct andhaving to be as less awkward as
possible starts before that,right, it starts with having
open and honest and directcommunication with your kids
from the time they were born,right, and so when you have,
when you come to the time, let'stalk about sex and porn, all
this other more uncomfortablestuff.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You already have established a relationship
openness and directness I thinkthat's a massive one to remember
that teens value honesty andopenness.
You know, as kids get old theystart to see through a little
bit of the bullshit, and thatyou're setting a stage for them
to trust you as a reliablesource of God.
If you give them that wronginformation and it sets them on
(14:46):
a wrong path, they're not goingto come back to you to have more
of a conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And then they'll get a little older 18, 19, 20, and
they'll look at you and realizethat you're a fucking mess.
That was barely holding ittogether raising them, but you
know, up until that was barelyholding it together raising them
, yeah, but you know, up untilthat point, you know they think
that you're you're on a pedestaland that you got your shit
together.
Yeah, exactly, none of us do.
None of us do it's.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
It's definitely a hard time, especially as kids
get older, but I I like to thinkof it realistically.
This conversation is the lasthard conversation you've really
got.
You might come across aheartbreak.
You know that's one that'sinevitable that'll come up.
There's lots of otherconversations that can come up,
(15:34):
I guess.
Drug use, yep, butrealistically, if you're looking
at it, most parents are allgoing to fall on the same line
that it's sex and pornography isthe hardest one.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, to have like drugs and drinking.
It's like don't do it untilyou're old enough.
And here's why, like that's nothard, but this this is this
makes people uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I never was given the talk growing up, I just had to
figure stuff out I think we weregiven a vhs tape off memory,
like here's a vh test tape andhere's a book, I think, off
memory.
And the vhs tape was like, fromthe snippets that are in my
memory, weird, it was likecartoon, did you?
It's like, you know, cartoon.
(16:17):
It wasn't like it was like acartoon, but I had to that.
So hentai, yeah.
The problem is it had soundeffects.
From what I remember, it hadthose cartoon sound effects like
boing, and it doesn't need that.
It had a lot of things whereit's confusing.
This is not how it works, yeah,but, like I said, our school
(16:37):
system actually the schoolsystem kind of here just really
does cover everything.
It is something that you takeas a parent do you wish your
children to participate?
Yes, no, etc.
They usually, they usually goover a bit of it at the same
time.
They give you a bit ofinformation to go hey, this is
what we're going to be talkingabout anyway, and that allows
you to have that conversation.
(16:58):
So how it's worked for us mostof the time the kids have gone
to school, they've learned thebits over the time, and then
over dinner or something likethat, when we're having a family
discussion or talking to them.
You're like, hey, we know youhad this, you know this class
was on today.
Was there anything you wereconfused with?
Or was there anything you'renot sure of?
Did you learn anything you know?
(17:18):
Most of the time it's no, no,no, don't want to talk about it,
but at least you're opening.
You know for us where we'releaving that door open to have
that conversation if they wishto know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah I think one of the important things too, if
it's not obvious already isdon't be judgmental, no right,
don't.
And don't try to shame yourkids.
They'll never open up to you.
Nah, I, you know it's funnylike.
Openness, directness, goodcommunication and in your
relationship with your child areimportant.
Up for me, up to a point whenthey start dating and becoming
(17:51):
active.
Yeah, I don't want to knowanything.
I don't want to know anythingthat you're doing.
Please do not give me detailsno, I don't need details.
I don't, I don't, I don't wantto because you know what, if you
give me details, I'm gonna giveyou details about me and your
mom.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Enjoy yeah yeah, but no, yeah, that's.
I'm leaving that there.
You can.
We can end up there.
Just don't bring up details, oryou and your mom?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
you know, your mom and I are going to be giving you
stories now yeah, because it'sfair Now that I've made this
really uncomfortable foreverybody listening and
recording this.
No, it's definitely animportant thing to do, and
especially since, like we said,things are a little bit
different than when I wasgrowing up, than when Nova was
(18:37):
growing up.
Things are more accessible,people are more.
There's more sexuality out inpublic, I feel, than there ever
has been.
Look at like Twitch, which wementioned before, or Instagram,
or any of the social media sites.
There's a lot more sexualityout in society that you have to
prepare them for than we everhad to deal with.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I think, leverage the internet in the correct ways to
get that information, and thenyou know it's a double-edged
sword it can show you the wronginformation and the right
information.
Have this conversation like wetalked about a little bit before
and I said maybe look online,get some resources online.
Usually, health pages are thegood ones.
I know it's a very boring talk,but health pages are a great
(19:18):
start.
Get the information that theywant.
Allow them to access thatinformation so they can discover
or find out things that theymight not feel comfortable in
talking to you, but at leastthey can read about it and then
maybe come back to you if theyhave any questions further on it
yep, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
You know we were talking, I think, before we
started this, about filters andlocking things down.
You want things to be open, butyou also don't want to be
stupid and you want to protectthem from themselves, sometimes
because they're going to getcurious.
They're going to get curiousand you know age appropriate.
Maybe every parent makes theirown decision, but like I don't
(19:54):
want my kid to stumble acrossstuff yet, I just don't think
it's.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
They're not, he's not ready, I think it's working out
what's age appropriate for yourchild.
That makes you feel comfortable.
Right, sure, there's somethings that are probably age
appropriate, you know in general, but yeah, everyone's gauge of
what is appropriate at a certainage is different and work on
what you feel comfortable iswith your household and your
family and so on.
I mean you can we all knowyou've got the parents at either
(20:20):
end of the scale.
You know what I mean.
Where do you want to sit?
Do you want to be the parent atthe fan, that at the school
that everyone goes?
Okay, that was the parent thatstarted this whole sexual thing.
It was their child and they arethe parents that started it.
Or do you want to be the otherparent at the other end, where
everyone knows about and you'restill sheltering them?
You don't, I'm assuming youdon't want to be either.
You kind of want to find yourplace in the middle yeah, there,
(20:41):
there is no right path to take.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's.
It's like like he's sayingevery situation a little bit
different, every kid is a littlebit different.
They mature at different rates,they expose to different things
, so you kind of have to playthat by ear.
If you notice that they're verysocial or you know they talk
about their friends are datingat a young age, maybe you start
a conversation earlier.
Yeah, you know.
Or I was an absolute nerd inschool so my mom didn't have to
(21:08):
really worry about any of thattill I got into high school.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know, but every everybody's different, yeah
everyone's different just gaugeit off, the social aspect of how
your children are going so theone, the one thing I can?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I can definitely.
Who is thinking, oh man, Ireally have to do this for my
kids?
Is it will and you're thinkingit's going to be awkward or
uncomfortable it will be.
It will be awkward, it will beuncomfortable.
Do your research, Be preparedfor the questions.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Use correct terms and don't judge your kids.
Use correct terms.
I guess that's the best one.
Be correct with what justsaying I guess, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And also, unlike what you've heard, when somebody
catches a kid smoking, you knowyou make them smoke the whole
pack.
If you catch a kid watchingporn, you you can't make them
watch all of the porn, likethat's not gonna help at all I
can't say it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I can't say it.
Oh geez, yeah, come out.
Like quagmire, I guess diggity.
Oh geez, yeah, come out likequagmire, I guess, diggity.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh, all right oh, that's awesome.
My kids have been watchingfamily guy, yeah, and I'm like I
don't need to have the talkbecause it's all on a family guy
everything's on tv now so, yeah, thank you tv for raising my
kids.
No, I don't know, that'sawesome and then that did you
have?
so you have everything from likewhat, how old's the quota now?
Two, one, one a bit right, onea bit, one a bit.
(22:35):
And you got up to like a 15right, 16, 16 now.
Wow, so you've had thisconversation multiple times, or
do you have like a differentsystem?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
let it go school just let the school take it all.
School is taking it all.
Yeah, that's how we've done it.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Our school system doesn't seem to really do that.
They talk.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I've talked a little bit about sex a little bit, but
that's no, but that's it I said,our school system goes hard,
like a like I've talked aboutbefore, like social, social
media and bullying and all thatlike it goes hard and oh it
doesn't here, so parents willhave to do a lot of the work
(23:16):
yeah, no, even you know, theother day, just before after
christmas, couple of days afterchristmas, I was reading how
another child had taken theirlife because online social media
like just after christmas.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
It was a sad thing to read, yeah you're not not to
change topics, but that likethat's one of those things that
you hear every now and thenwhere it's like and this is why
I'm not letting my kid on socialmedia.
Yet you know, I know these Ireally wouldn't be other like I
don't want to.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yet you know, um, the more that shit pops up the more
that shit pops up, the more I'mlike happy that that band's
coming, I guess oh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
You guys have the band coming.
When does?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
it start pretty in place.
I've got a year to work out howto.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The company's got a year in place to work out how to
do it I forgot, if you didn'tcatch our an episode I don't
know how long ago it was, butaustralia well, actually, I'll
let you tell it since, yeah,australia is banning social
media for children under the ageof 16?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
right, yeah, it's up to the platforms to make sure
that children cannot access themit's.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's going to be interesting, and it's the first
of its kind in the world, isn'tit?
Yeah yeah, so if, depending,the world's watching and they
want to see how it works, and ifit seems to be successful, it's
going to start beingimplemented everywhere it will.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That's, that's how I say.
It'll be one of those thingsthat if it works, it'll.
Other countries will just rollin and go no, no, no, we, we
don't want this either, andit'll right, that's right we
brought I brought steam ref.
You know, digital refundswasn't a thing until australia
turned around and said, hey,that's bullshit, you should be
out.
If you're selling something,you should be able to return it,
(24:52):
and we all can return our steamgames and xbox games and
playstation.
You know we couldn't do thatbefore and you can't now, but
thank you and that was veryquickly adopted across the world
, worldwide after australia.
Sued steam basically, yeah yeah,that's, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
The last piece of social media news I'll give you
is so there's a a new governmentcoming into plow or in power in
the us, yeah, and they havealready said they don't want to
ban tiktok.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
So wasn't this the same government that?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
started the tiktok like this month or something.
But it may not, because theincoming president doesn't want
it to.
Let's rewind it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Maybe isn't this the same president that started the
whole tiktok yes, yeah yeah,cool, all right, just making
sure I was on the same path,like I'm like I swear this
started because of like we'renot doing anything to china you
know how we phones except youknow the whole end.
Yeah, okay, cool, we're in.
Doing anything to China, youknow Hawaii, except you know the
whole end.
Yeah, okay, cool, we're in.
It Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So no, it doesn't but yep, we'll just go with that.
Let's just go with it, I'llaccept it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Let's maybe kindly realize that Taiwan and China
are two different countries.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Unless you ask China.
Yeah, so do you have any lastpieces of advice you would give
any parent who knows they haveto do this?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Nah, just embrace the fact that you're going to have
to do it.
You can't avoid it.
You really can't In some wayshape or form.
You will be having a chat tothem about it.
Whether you give them all theinformation straight up, someone
else does.
You still need to touch baseand make sure that what they do
know is correct.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, you've been listening to dad mode.
Our passion is navigating thiswild journey of parenthood and
modern life, from balancingfamily time to managing your
career and still squeezing insome gaming and content creation
.
And no matter what the womensay, they will never be able to
(26:52):
pry the controller out of ourcold dead hands.
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