K-drama Hot Takes - Part 1 / Ep. 90 - Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: Kdrama Reviews

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I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
friends review Korean dramas. Except today, today is a little
bit different. We do not have a K drama that
we're going to review today. We are actually going to set
flame to the entire K Drama landas we know it because this is
our very first hot takes episode, a public facing hot

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takes episode on the Debak feed.And for this episode, I am
joined by my good friend Carol from the K Drama Musings
podcast. Carol, what's going on?
Hi, it's been a minute. I'm so excited to be here.
I'm smiling so much my cheeks hurt and I'm ready to get into

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this because I saw your TikTok and I was just.
Yeah. People have thoughts.
People have thoughts and we'll get into it right after this.
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supportive of the show. All right, so here's what

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happened. I posted a TikTok bid at the end
of March of 2025 following a trend, as one does.
It took me all of five seconds to make this video.
And the prompt was I want to know everyone's most rotten,
foul hot takes when it comes to K dramas, the ones they keep to
themselves because they'll get clobbered in these virtual

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streets. Please come clean.
This is a safe space. And in parentheses, I say.
And I am also an agent of chaos in the in the comments I soaked
the flames and said I can't believe I said this.
If your favorite K dramas are Chloe and Strong Woman to Wong
soon and your favorite actor is Chao Nu, this ain't for you.

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Keep it moving. Wow, I don't know what possessed
me. I really didn't think this
TikTok was going to get anywhere.
Of course it went viral and garnered a ton of comments,
reactions and shares. At the time of recording it has
over 9000 comments. So I tried to comment back

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initially and egg people on at first when they commented with a
really tame or non specific hot take.
That's part of the fun of makingsuch a post I feel is to be like
name names. I felt like Regina George at the
top of the stairs and Mean Girls.
And then the word I want to use is it got tribal.

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It got tribal. It was.
There was gnashing of teeth, people going feral over each
other's hot takes, disagreeing, agreeing, starting shit.
Too many comments going for the jugular when it comes to
criticizing the physical appearances of actors and
actresses, which to me isn't really a hot take at all.
But whatever. The heat was definitely rising

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in the comments section of this TikTok that I made and the app
itself. TikTok itself was warning me
against foul comments. Stop.
Yeah, so there's a section at the bottom.
If you scroll all the way down to your comment section, you can
click and be like, oh, let me see all of the flagged comments.
And I could not, I literally could not clear all of the flag

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comments. There were too many and they
were the worst of the worst. Right.
So the app finally said turn on the comment safety anti
bullying. It prompted me to and I said
fuck it. Yeah.
So then after that it had a little tag at the thought that
said anti bullying like active or something.
And the people immediately took notice and started saying not

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the anti bullying being turned on in the comments.
So I mean y'all were animals. There was a ferocity in the
comments that couldn't be tamed at all.
A few folks suggested I do a full Hot Takes episode on Tibuk
and immortalize this moment and some of these foul, foul takes

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on the podcast. And I've always toyed with the
idea anyway. Because if you're familiar with
the Patreon feed, I do have a Hot Take series on there.
And most of the guests that I have on Tibuk do stick around
and give me some scathing take about K Drama Land.
But it's only for the patrons. OK, only for the Patreon feed.

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So it's stuck behind a pay wall.You must pay for the spicy takes
in any and Carol's on there's too.
I think you have like 2 or 3 takes on there.
It's great. So in any case, here we are.
Me and Carol were originally going to watch the 2009 K drama
Iris and review. Yes, and then we ditched it.

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Or like NASA. Yes, we pivoted and we but we
have wonderful hot takes conversations already in our DMS
Anyway, I basically approach youabout rain checking Iris and
chatting through some of the worst hot takes from the TikTok
comments and of course adding some of our own as they come up.

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I guess yes. So Carol, how do you feel about
the state of K drama lands and. Oh, baby, I started too strong.
You started way too strong. OK, how do I Oh my God, Oh my
gosh. OK, OK, let me be, let me start

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off tape and be educational and say I think we are in a season
that is like that economics term, the law of diminishing
returns as we have more. It ain't that good or it doesn't
it doesn't hit the spot like it used to.

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Let me tell you. I'm going to do a podcast with
Caitlin, No Sleep for dramas. And we're talking about time
between Dog and Wolf. So I had to rewatch it and I
haven't rewatched it in maybe over 10 years the way that show
hits. And this is ejinky, right?

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Yes, baby ejinky. Yeah, baby Ijungi and baby Jung
Kyung Ho Seiyung's BF and it wasjust, it's so old, 2007.
And yet I'm just like, this is captivating.
This is giving me twists and turns as cateramas today are not

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doing that. They're not and the whole season
spin off world, I'm just like shut it down, shut it down
because it's giving we're running out of ideas and I know
that's not the case. I think what's happening is

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Netflix like these other partiesare they need share bankers or
they need like and that's my other hot take.
I wish Netflix and Disney never went to Korea, but that's for we
can explore that. We can explore that more as we
go through these hot takes. But yeah, that is a wonderful
hot take and I totally agree with you.

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I'm not sure if that's me also piling on or just Co signing
with you, but yeah, I totally agree that there's less and less
K dramas for me that demand my attention and the riding on some
of these is just lackluster. The pacing on some of these is
lackluster. I know for a fact that once

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Netflix came in and started throwing money at the industry
and, you know, financing these Kdramas, they also imposed the
891012 episode season on an industry that was largely 1620
episode, maybe even longer and aone season limited series as we

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would call it here. And so I'm positive that the
writing suffered on all of the shows as they tried to adjust to
the demands of the financier, which in this case is the
streamers. You have the Disney Plus, you
have the Netflix. Before that, you had financiers
that were from Southeast Asia, like China was investing heavily

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in K dramas around the 2016 era,which is why you had such a jump
in quality, in production quality, right?
That's when you got Goblins, yougot, you know, Descendants of
the Sun and all of these really iconic 2016 K dramas.
The quality jumped tremendously during that era.
But once China pulled out, then Netflix took over, right?

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So now then you had different issues and you know, money might
not have been a problem and the production quality was not the
issue anymore. It was the structure of the show
itself 100% that was changing. So anyway, this is in, we could
do an entire episode of just this and deep dive on this, but

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let me tell you there is some nastiness in our near future.
If you are easily upset, OK, If you have a fragile ego regarding
your favorite actors and actresses, TV shows, if you fly
off the handle because someone doesn't like the same show as
you or what have you, you are going to want to skip this
episode. This is not for you.

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This is a gird your loins, you know, guard your heart kind of
episode. And we're going to have some fun
with it because we've been watching K dramas for a long
time, way before the 2016 era that I'm even referencing.
And we've seen a lot of ups and downs.
You've seen a lot of shows and the people that we're going to

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talk about and the hot takes that we're going to share with
you that are not ours, we're, I'm going to say exactly who
said this if I can. They're not nice at all, OK?
These are not nice. And I think we're uniquely
positioned to comment on these and give our two cents and agree
or disagree at will. So Carol, I'm ready.

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The first top take is really onethat is hard hitting for a lot
of K drama watchers, Asian dramaaficionados, because MVXQZ 0409
said it's really hard to get into K dramas where the casts
are not attractive. dot dot, sorry.

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So wow, this is not just a one off all the comments that I read
today have hundreds if not thousands of likes on each one.
People Co signing this hot take.So this hot take and this all
their hot take are very similar.ADW 477 Three said a lot of

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people who don't watch dramas because they don't find certain
leads attractive are shallow. Damn and shocked.
And it leads to talent not beingappreciated.
So many side actors in K drama world should be leads.
You can see that a ton of peopleagree.
They don't watch ugly people on screen.
And then there's a ton of peoplewho also on the flip side, think

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that those people are shallow and vain and they're fucking
with the industry. They're making it what it is,
this beauty pageant versus, you know, something that is robust,
that has a lot of different faces and is mostly concerned
with talent and the ability to to sell a story.

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So, Carol, what have you to say?Listen, I, I, oh, oh, I don't
agree with the first comments that.
Can't get into. It really hard yeah I I've been
in the in watching the industry for a long time to appreciates

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good stories and then you'll be watching me and you're like oh
like at first I didn't think he was hot but he or she kind of
doing it for. A little something.
Exactly. So I think we should give
stories a chance if the story and the premise is good and the

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acting is good. And in fact, I would like to put
someone in here. So Juji Hoon had was on a talk
show. It's on YouTube.
I'll send you the link later. But the host was like, you know,
you're so hot and you're so handsome and and Juji Hoon is

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like, what are you talking about?
It's only like last year or the year before that people are
like, oh, he's kind of hot. No one ever looked at me and
said you're hot. It was always the young bin, the
one bin and people like that. But like, it's just recently
that people are finding me hot. And he's not the only one to say

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that. I think Sun Soku also said that.
I think I remember him saying that as well.
Yes, and and it's just like. Sun Soku from my liberation
notes and Jujiun from Princess Hours most recently.
He was trauma code. Trauma code.
I think we should try and say like what their works are

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because also what I noticed in the comments section was how do
you guys know who all these people are by name?
I need to look them all up. So if you have a related project
that you can throw in there thatpeople might know them from,
please do. Carol and I'll do the same.
But Jujiun is a seasoned actor, and he's right.

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The climate around certain actors and looks has changed in
recent years, and the international audience has
always had a skewed view of whatis attractive and what is not
compared to the homegrown audience in South Korea.
Yes, I think the I think now with the presence of Netflix and

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Co, I know I said I hate them, but whatever, it's a love hate
relationship, but I, I do feel like the Juji hoons have gained
global appeal. While their appeal has been
growing domestically, it's sort of expanded or boomed when the

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whole world got into it and justwhat people find attractive.
And I'm listen, I'm so happy forthem.
I'm so happy for them. I, I appreciate them.
But I think I understand people who don't.
I have a really good friend who does not watch anything that she

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doesn't think they're hot. So I know some of them
personally. I think I'm more on the side.
First of all, I agree with you, I don't think that we should be
basing every single frickin thing that we watch based on how
attractive the cast is. However, I do remember when I
first got into K dramas that I went down a rabbit hole of

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Lehman Ho dramas because I was obsessed with Lehman Ho and I
thought he was so hot. And I can understand how people
that are just starting on this Kdrama journey might just fall
back on that and be like, everyone's so hot and just
follow the hotness. But no.
But are you hot when you don't have talent?

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Well, girl, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait.
Who are you referring to? Chow and Wu.
OK, OK. Just hold that thought.
Just hold that thought. Because a lot of people had this
same thought as you. I have this subscribe to this as
well. Talent who is talentless but but

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let's go deeper into the looks because I think that a lot of
people got flamed in the comments and we'll get started
with a big one who just recentlygot off a legendary little run
here with lovely runner and thatis Peonusuk.
Someone said BTS, Sugar Rush said.

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I'm sorry but Peonusuk is not fine.
How could you? And I was like, this person is
wrong, but that's OK. That's you've Carol.
You're the shocked face, the shocked face you have.
I feel like this should have been a video episode, but piano

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suck is not fun. That's rude.
That's rude. Oh just hang on, hang on for a
second, because there's way morewhere that came from.
First of all, I've thought pianosuck has been fine ever since
Record of Youth. Yeah.
I remember watching Record of Youth, he was the second male
lead in that. And I thought, who is this?
I want to know more about him. I want to see more from him.

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And finally, all these years later, he's getting his flowers.
Well, public flowers, not awardsflowers.
That's a different story. But Piano Suck is a good looking
dude. He was a model.
He was a model. He was a model with Namju here.

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You know that line Like Namju Hyak, Jiang Ki Yong, Namju Hyak
from 2521, Jiang Ki Yong from. What's that?
My Mr. My roommate is a Gumio. That's that's the show.
That's the show. OK, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, like they were a typical fan together.

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Yeah, this is the same model class that made it in the K
dramas as an actor. And it just felt like Pyeong
Moussek wasn't getting there like the rest were.
Yeah, yeah. And now he's finally done it.
He's on like, milk jugs and cereal boxes and selling skin

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care on every street corner, andsomeone thinks he's not hot.
It's kind of funny. The next person, Zilk said.
I don't understand the hyper on Song Jungki during Descendants
of the Sun. I never find him attractive even
in his prime. Wow, now I.

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OK, I'll be very honest. You go first.
No, no, no. You go first.
You go first. He's high, easy, it's cool.
I think the appeal with him in Descendants of the Sun was that

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he wasn't. Looking manly enough to be to
have been doing the manly thingshe was doing.
So in that sense I feel like noteven manly, but just like he was
intentionally going after this woman and he had moments of

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heart fluttering moments where you got to pay attention to him.
But then when I look at his magazine stuff, what I dislike
is they're keeping him in this Peter Pan kind of stage where he
never grows up. He always looks like a

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jack-in-the-box. Nah, you're too confused for me.
I'll jump in and say I was therein 2016 when Descendants of the
Sun was airing and I was totallycaught up because he was so
charming and it's just what did the kids say?
He had so much aura in Descendants of the Sun is just

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an this is a Han Solo type of role.
Like this is just based off of charisma.
That role is all charisma. Yes.
This was a charisma role just like Han Solo is just he's just
cool. Coolest character in the whole
show and I love Sung Dung Ki. I think that he's a really great

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actor, but the roles, the descendants of the Sun, if you
don't get it, that's fine, But that's what it is.
That's what I'm telling you it is.
That's the appeal. And he's got a baby face and a
deep voice, which automatically,like the juxtaposition is
strange and does he have a deep voice?

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And then he, I mean, you look confused right now, Carol.
I'm, I'm trying to remember his voice.
I don't know. Should I pull up a recording?
No, no, I won't do that. I won't do that.
I won't pull up Sunju and Ki talking.
But anyway, descendants of the Sun, that's him in his prime.
I think that if you don't like how he looks, fine.

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I don't really care too much. But the hype around Song Jung Ki
during Descendants of the Sun, it should be studied. 100%.
Also the pairing of him with Songe Kiyo the song song couple.
The kids don't get it. No.
Like they don't. Understand you.
I'll. I'll give it to you.

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It was a legendary. It's a legendary.
This would be, and I think I've said this somewhere on the
podcast, this would be as if Kate and Leo from Titanic,
during the height of Titanic, got together and got married.
Yeah. Oh, it was such a big.
Deal. It was a huge deal.
I mean, it was crazy. And the fact that it crashed and

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burned and crashed and burned insuch a way, I mean, the whole
thing is just legendary. So that's Song Jung Ki.
That person didn't like, didn't like his face, Anna Big Bang
said. Poxojune cannot act to the point
where it actually makes me uncomfortable.
How does he get so many roles? Watching his series felt like I

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was getting my hair pulled out dude.
Wow. Angie Kim said Poxojune is not
attractive and Pixie said I'm not.
I'm going to get hate but Poxojune gives weird vibes and
there's a lot of follow up comments under this Pixie
comment that says oh he definitely does.
He pointed out how much he wantsa skinny wife.

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OK we all have preferences of like weird fixation my dude.
Someone else said. He also said they can't date or
defend a tall woman because why are they tall?
Like does he even make sense? So Poxigen, what do you what do
you have to say about Poxigen before I?
You know, I'm thinking about allhis shows and I think he was

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iconic. And what's wrong with Secretary
Kim? That was his.
I feel like that was his most iconic show, his comments.
They're from 10 years ago, firstof all.
I know, I know. Not that that excuses the
strangeness of it. No.

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And you have to think about, youknow, the context of his world
and, you know, Korean beauty standards and, and all these
other things. And at the same time, I'm kind
of like, I think as a society weneed to move from thinking that

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these people will have good takes.
Oh yes, 100%. They're going to have shitty
takes and and just a shock when they have a shitty take.
It hurts because you're like, I don't want to watch you anymore.
But at the same time, they're just human.
They like what they like. But for me personally, I'm not

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lusting over him. Never, never.
There was a time, especially theFight for My Way era.
Oh my God, that was the closest I came to a poxojune era in my
life. But the What's Wrong with
Secretary Kim broke the spell, and this was even before I got
familiar with his really stupid comments that he made ten years

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ago. I hated What's Wrong with
Secretary Kim. I just did not like it.
I thought it was average at bestand did not see the.
Not that I didn't see the appeal, I just did not like the
show. It's hard to go back and well,
let me say the kissing scenes are still fantastic, but it's
hard to go back and watch the show, especially because.

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There was nothing wrong with Secretary Kim.
No, exactly. And I just feel like she she.
It was about identity, right? The whole beginning of the show
was I want to leave this job andforge my own path and take a
break from being with secretary because I'm not just a
secretary. I want to be more than that.
I want to grow out of this one note position in this man's

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life. And this man is a fool and he's
a narcissist, literally ogling at himself in a mirror every
time he can't pass a mirror without just falling in love
with himself. And that is your male lead.
He never goes out of that. No.
The fact that she wanted to like, leave and not be a
secretary anymore. And spoiler alert, that does not

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happen. Her attempt at quitting?
He gets her to come back and their romance doesn't prompt him
to say maybe she shouldn't be mysecretary anymore, she should
just be the woman in my life, mywife or whatever.
No, she still stays as SecretaryKim.
And and I'm just like. I was like, this is a disaster.

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I I cannot believe I'm about to say something good about when
the phone rings. When when she said I want to go
to the president's, like he was encouraging her to go be a
translator for the president's house or whatever, he was in
support of that versus with Secretary Kim.

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She's like, I want to go out andfind myself or yeah.
He's my identity and he said no.And technically that's in line
with his real life comments. I'm just saying like it makes
total sense so. Yeah, so, Poxigen, you know, I
don't really, maybe I should rehash the comments because

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people might not know. But yeah, those people that
commented about him wanting his skinny wife and had preferences
about not wanting a tall woman, mostly because he said he
couldn't defend a tall woman. Why would they need any defense?
Wow, there's so much there. And there's a lot to unpack.

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That's another thirty minutes that we don't have.
He said he wanted a, a stay at home.
He wants his wife to be a stay at home mother because otherwise
his children will turn out to bedelinquents.
And I mean, I literally made a video about this that was
several minutes long. And it did do a do a little bit

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of numbers on TikTok and people were flaming me for not taking
his side right, for like criticizing him for these
comments. And they were like, this is 10
years ago. People can have preferences if
they want them. And then down to personal
attacks on me and saying that's because you don't fit his
standard. You're not.

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Oh. Damn, it was.
Ugly, it was so ugly and I couldn't believe.
And it was other women, right, women making these foul comments
that just, it was like a cornered animal, as if I was
cornering them for some reason and they had to fight back or
else. And I'm like, Poxigen sleeps

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wonderfully through the night having made these comments and
probably getting laid every night.
And you know, he goes out every so often with his Wooga squad
and like whatever, he doesn't give a shit.
And on that note, I also sleep well at night.
I sleep totally fine knowing that Poxigen has horrible takes.
Like it is what it is. Those comments Take Me Out of

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the fantasy. And I think that's what upsets
people. Yeah.
I can get the ick and still watch a project or two from
Poxigen and other people don't have that nuance in their lives.
Yeah, you know, I agree. I agree.
So that's Poxigen. Do you have anything else to add

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before we move on to the next name?
On this hit list? No, I I feel like I could dive
into his comments. Oh, there's so much there.
There's so much there. Other people are like, I don't
see the issue. What do you mean you don't see
the issue you're saying? So he's saying that child raring
is the mom's job and taking careof a child.

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Then why isn't she just a singlemother?
Because clearly you're not his. Comments were disparaging of
single mothers basically. Oh my God.
Because if you're if they're raising a child on their own,
one parent household, then theirchildren will be criminals.
No I thought he was saying if the mom is not a stay at home

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mom then the children will be delinquent.
It was. It was twofold.
Yes and yes. Damn.
OK, let's let's just. Anyway, you can find those
comments online, I really don't feel like looking it up and
reading it out loud, but anyway,they're out there.
And of course you can always look up the old video on TikTok

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of mine if you want. I'm not going to link it
anywhere. I would rather just slip away.
The next name, P Plum, said Lehman Ho is not attractive.
The comments underneath this onesay they should give him a rest
now or start giving him parents roles.

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No hate. Oh yeah.
Janice, being six, said you're probably too young, but him and
his drama are one of the main reasons K drama is famous around
the world. And another person, Meowzi said
overrated. So many comments.
Look, glow queen Lehman Ho is not fine in all caps.
I'm sorry guys, I don't think you're sorry.

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Stop saying you're sorry. Condescending sorries
everywhere. Baby pee.
Yup, heavy on this. Apparently it's disrespectful to
not see him as attractive with an eye roll emoji.
Another person says. I don't think he can act either.
All his hype was from Boys over Flowers that people can't seem
to move on from. 100% that part.People bring up boys over

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flowers too much. I think we should move forward.
OK. What's your favorite E meno?
Drama Oh City Hunter 110% followed closely by Pachinko
which is not a traditional. OK, that's a Western production,
but. Oh, you got me there.
City Hunter, City Hunter, City Hunter.
I love that show. I loved City Hunter and personal

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taste because of Sonia Jin. Sonia Jin is just comedic.
She's fantastic. Sonia Jin from Crash landing on
you. From yeah, I'll get used to it,
yes. And then pachinko.
Pachinko was the first time thatI was like, oh, even though, OK,

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let me pay attention. But when I think about it, he's
hardly. We don't see him that often.
And he? He bothers people a lot.
He really does. And I don't, I don't really get
it. Like he's he's at a stage in his
career, maybe the past 10 years,where he doesn't do dramas all

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that often. Not even movies like.
He just like sits around and chills and does CFS and, you
know, product placement and he'sbrand ambassador for things and
he just wears a lot of couture two or three times a year in
public and he just minds his business and counts his money at

(33:41):
home. Like there's I don't see any
persona. He's so clean as well.
Like his persona is really like what is it?
He doesn't post a lot. He.
Doesn't do too much. And the fact that people are
constantly freaking pissed that he's on a couple of magazine
covers still and you know, does a project or 2 is really

(34:06):
hilarious to me. People saying with their whole
chest he's not attractive. Trying to scream into the void
and convince people that lovely men hope he's not attractive is
like first of all I guess you weren't there.
That's OK. Every time someone who was there
tries to explain it to you, you get upset.
And then you tell them. To fuck off.

(34:28):
You're always, yeah, you're always talking about boys over
flowers. Like that's the only thing.
I'm tired. I'm tired.
Like I don't even know what elseto say.
Like if you don't like them, youdon't like them, move on.
Like. You don't have to shout it to
the void. Oh, I just thought of a hot
take. Do it.
Tell it. Yo, I've been thinking about

(34:49):
this for a very long time, but Ithink that, and I see it in your
notes, but I think that what's the guy who's been cancelled
recently, Kim SU? Kyun yes from It's OK to Not Be
OK and Queen of Tears and so many more.
Yeah, Kim SU Hyun wants the adoration, affection, respect

(35:16):
that EJ Hoon has. OK, EJ Hoon from.
Taxi. Driver, tomorrow with you.
Yes. Art of negotiation, most
recently. Yes, that guy, because when I
look at just, first of all, I'm surprised he's like 40.

(35:38):
No, no, no, he's so ageless it'scrazy how good he looks.
But I feel like everyone loves the guy so much because when you
look at the caliber and the sheer amount of good talents
that are always in his projects,and it's kind of like, how do

(36:01):
you get this person and this one, like it's always filled
with really seasoned actors versus when you look at Kim SU
Hyun, you have a few seasoned actors.
But the image wise I feel like Kim SU Hyun wanted EJ Holmes
like presents. I see, that is a hot take.

(36:22):
I feel like Kim SU Hyun wanted a.
Lot I did. Yeah, but back to even though I
I think that the second part of this conversation is that people
don't think he can act. And OK, I just don't think
that's true. How do I put it?
There's people that emote and they can get by and they're

(36:45):
actors and no one's like they can't act.
This was a horrible project for them.
And they have all of these things to say about their
acting. I think Lehman Hoe is in that
class. And then there's other people
that are excellent. At acting OK.
And I think when people won't say, like, oh, he's not a good
actor, she's not a good actress,they think they're not Oscar

(37:08):
worthy, OK. And I'm like, I have lost track
of how many people are just good, not great.
But but I think the confusion with Eveno is he's good.
I think people don't think he deserves.
Yeah, Yeah, I think that's. Because he's good, he's got a

(37:30):
space car that doesn't decline, and he's been famous for a long
time. And this person says they should
just start giving him parent roles.
Lavinia, wake up. He's 37 years old.
Well, you could say Jiang Kiyongis definitely younger, but he's
played a dad and he killed it. I.

(37:51):
Also think well in Lehman Hill'slatest K drama, he became a dad.
Oh, that shit. Dumb fire.
Yeah, ask the stars. Oh, no, I yeah.
You could say he's getting there.
Oh yeah, maybe he's getting there.
Listen, I think people are reaching a lot of time.

(38:14):
Even though it's such a divisive.
It's so divisive. He's I, I'll say he's iconic.
He's. Iconic.
I'm never mad at him. Am I ever mad at him?
You know what I like about him? He just like I just did it and I
moved on. Right, he just like, here's the
project. Sorry, Legend of the Blue Sea

(38:35):
was kind of shit. Oh, well, there's no, he makes
no apologies. And yeah, I think he's done a
couple of interviews where he said he's, he's always wanted to
be famous. Oh, that, you know, he's had
some peers who were also in the same class as him who were

(38:58):
getting more famous or getting notoriety.
And he was like, when is it going to happen for me?
It's like a piano sook effect ora moment.
What I mean by that is with Imano's class, there are so many
other people who are getting opportunities and he's like,

(39:18):
when is my moment? And his moment was boys over.
Flowers. And with Piano Osuk, it was
lovely, really lovely runner that he really popped off.
Now. That's what I mean by it's like
the piano Sook effects, because your classmates have gone way

(39:39):
ahead of you and you're still grinding and you're like, when
is it my my time or my turn? And now, 15 years later.
Exactly. I guess people are sick of him.
Also, I want to say, and I've been toying with this and as we,
as I bring up a few more names, it'll become even more apparent,
I'm sure that there are generations of K drama watchers.

(40:04):
And I don't mean age wise, I just mean when did you come into
here? When did you start watching K
dramas? Because you can go back and
forth and watch older K dramas and newer K dramas and what have
you. But it doesn't matter how old
you are when you start watching K dramas, it's what generation
did you come in on? Because I feel like the closer

(40:26):
to present day you started watching K dramas, in no way
shape or form are you going to understand Lee Mino's power or
influence. I agree.
Or are you going to find him attractive?
So I see like very little benefit to trying to like deep

(40:47):
dive and educate someone on the E mino.
If they just weren't, you missedit.
It's like seeing Leonardo DiCaprio today and someone
trying to explain to you what happened with Titanic, what
happened back then, and all of these roles that sort of built
him up into what he is in the zeitgeist and being like.
I don't get it. Yeah, yeah, you weren't there.

(41:10):
You. Weren't there or same thing with
other things even earlier, Burt Reynolds And like some of these
older stars who if you weren't there, it's really hard to
retroactively get in on the fandom.
You could say that about Juji Hun.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true.

(41:31):
Although I feel like current Generation K drama folks are
just a little more forgiving because they weren't there with
the scandals with Juji and like they don't they didn't like live
that out either. Yeah, yeah.
What a life to not know the scandals and and all the things
that happened before. Wow.

(41:53):
Yeah, it's true. I'd like a firm believer of the
generations of K drama fans fruit salad, says idian.
For me, the most versatile actorand the finest man out there,
Kim Bom is better than Imano so another member of F4 from Boys

(42:14):
over Flowers they think is better than Imano and then Song
Jung Ki is not handsome and findhim cringe.
OK, this comment is doing a lot.Hitting a lot of people, a lot
of people. EJ Hun is a very Is he a very
versatile actor, EJ. From tomorrow with you Art of

(42:37):
negotiation. Did you like tomorrow with you?
I love tomorrow with you, yeah. I'm not sure I've seen him in
enough romance. Yeah, he doesn't do a lot of
romance. I remember him in Move to Heaven
a lot and I think that was a really good showcase for him.
Wait, who's EJ Hung? Hang on.
Oh wait, are we thinking of the wrong person?

(43:00):
Nope, I got the right guy. 40 years old EJ in from move to
heaven. Signal Art of negotiation.
OK, OK, OK, OK. Yeah, I was thinking about that
guy, but someone else popped in my head.
OK. And I was like, wait, what's his
name? Yeah, I haven't seen him in
enough romance, but I do enjoy his acting.

(43:24):
Although I dropped Taxi Driver. Did you?
OK? I might be.
Honest, like he has a face. He does his face in every show
where he's like, it stinks here,but I'm disgusting.
Like there's just there's just aface.

(43:45):
OK, I don't have enough thoughtsabout it.
Let's let's move on. Let's move on, Paula says.
I'm yourself is not fine and I never found him attractive.
I barely made it through business proposal, Tina said.
I think he looks like Teamu version of Nam Juhyuk, a new
Ford 9876 said. I see it like the vice versa.

(44:09):
I can't stand Nam Juhyuk. Oh.
You straightened up, Carol. So on Hisop, another one that
sort of is in the Nam Juhyuk class of models turned actors.
His big break was business proposal.

(44:32):
I don't think he's hot. I think he's just there but
barely making it through. Business proposal.
That's a whole nother thing. Yeah, I loved business.
That was a cute show. Yeah, that's.
Yeah, what even wacky fun? Paula, get it together.

(44:52):
Another commenter, JSCHR, said Kim Young Day and Anhil Soap
need to work on their acting skills.
I don't think they deserve to get the male lead roles yet.
How do you think about Kim Yong Day?
It's like Kim Yong Day. I if I have the right guy.
He's also in that class. Kid that.
Yeah, yeah. So he's 29 years old.

(45:15):
No gain, no love. Shooting stars, moaning the day,
forbidden marriage are his claims to fame.
And also that one with the lovely runner girl where he was
in school and and she wasn't like a comic with Rome
Extraordinary You. Yes, that drama.

(45:38):
I don't like Kim Young day. I don't like his acting.
I've just so I think I think andhis son is better.
But I hated shooting stars so much because I don't like both
of them. I don't think they're both good
actors. OK, so I really ate up the

(46:00):
forbidden marriage. I love, I love that show.
But then when I got to No gain No love from 2024, I was like,
what? What is this?
He's not giving anything. He's just there, no personality
whatsoever. And I thought I was seeing

(46:20):
things. So I kept Dming like a couple of
friends. I was like, dude, do you like
the male lead? And no gain, no love?
Like, there's a lot of stuff to like about this show that has
nothing to do with the romance. And everyone was like, yeah,
he's kind of kind of playing in this show.
That was when my moment with himwas like, maybe he's just not.

(46:42):
Not, you know. No, he's not.
He's not. OK, so that's Kim Young Bay and
Anhil. So the next one had me rolling.
So it's many comments about thisactor.
PT says E Jung Sook is not attractive.
There I said it, please don't come for me, it's just my
opinion. Some follow up follow up

(47:04):
comments. For real.
He looks low key like he's plastic.
Another person said E Jung Sook has had so much work done I find
him drawing to look at and I can't watch the shows he's in
because I get such intense uncanny valley.
Jen Dragon says E Jung Sook cannot act, that one groomer guy

(47:25):
referring to Kim so Hyun is too reactive and I can't watch
anything with either of them in it.
Amy R0 says Yi Jung Suk is pretty but like in a very
uncomfortable way. I can't explain it but I never
find him attractive and looking at his face you'd feel that's a
pretty face but not attractive pretty but doesn't seem like it
should be like this. I don't know.

(47:49):
I I think wow. I know.
OK. Ijung Sook is 35 years old, 61
he's been dating IU for a minute.
It's from while you were sleeping, Doctor stranger,
Pinocchio, romance as a bonus book W2 worlds and big mouth.

(48:10):
Ijung Sook has really good dramas though.
No, he has. Great, those are.
Yeah, those are all really fun to watch and he has an aura
about him like you mentioned earlier, where he can sell you
on a roll. I don't agree with this one.
That's that's all I'm gonna. Say so the about acting or about

(48:33):
his attractiveness. Oh no, I think he's cute.
I think he's cute. Wait, yeah.
So he's got a model, was a modelturned actor as well.
Started when he was pretty youngand if I look at old videos of
him on variety shows, his face looks nearly identical to what

(48:58):
it looks like now. It is very interesting to see
what kind of work he's had done.Obviously we don't know exactly
what he's had done. But no, no, no, you know.
You do know what he's? Had done just Google before and
after. OK, I'm going to do it right
now. Before and after surgery.

(49:18):
Yeah, he had definitely a nose job.
Yeah, but I I always look at that photo of hit the school
photo where he looks horrible. That's true.
Like that's just a a. Bad.
That is his face. Maybe it was just a bad picture
day and those are his lips. Yeah, those are his lips.

(49:39):
That's his slightly changed nosefrom the rhinoplasty that I'm
sure he got, but again, he doesn't look too far off from
how he looked as a teenager. Yeah, and with some styling and
hair. Yeah, he's got his face skin
bleached and you know, his eyebrows are trimmed and

(50:00):
different and his hair is, is obviously immaculately done all
the time, but largely that's him.
So I get a little, I have to say, like he does look plastic.
He does look like he's had work done, but also the work might be
overblown at this point because he looks very close to what he

(50:24):
looked like as a teenager beforehe got famous.
OK. I mean, you seem to have
thoughts. No, I don't have thoughts.
I like him. I mean, I'm looking at 2005
photos of him versus 2019 and I'm like, dude, he's just.
He's in there. I can still.
Hear. It's him, Yeah.

(50:45):
You just don't like his face. I agree.
People are very reactive to him for for for some reason.
I'm not sure he has the global appeal that Emanos.
Seems no definitely not and let me know.
Has also had a nose job so. That's true.
That's true. But but I I feel like I'm

(51:11):
confused with the hates he gets because I think he's a really
good actor, very emotive, micro expressions.
Yeah, I no one can make me hate him.
OK, moving on honestly. I can't watch Keem so no dramas
because all I can see is his face that looks like yellow

(51:33):
larva although him with long hair and When love gives you
When love life gives you Tangerines drama seems bearable.
Someone else said I know someoneelse said Chaelin said.
The first time I saw him on startup.
I was really wondering what others see in him because he's
not handsome to me and his acting is.

(51:54):
And then, like a sad, crying face, his voice is too deep that
I don't want to hear. Wow, I don't agree.
No, me neither, let's move on, Sox said.
I don't hear anyone ever talk about Yousongo.
His roles are amazing. Loved him and I'm not a robot
and I miss you, which threw me because I didn't know anybody

(52:17):
was still watching. I miss you.
That show is trauma. Trauma packed.
It was terrible. Oh my God.
And then someone else, just nineteen O 5, says Yo Jingu and
Yusungal, so same guy, are the best former child actors and yet
their respective agencies not doing enough for them.

(52:42):
I don't like Yo Jingu. Really.
What did you like about Yo Jingu?
I I don't think he can act. Hotel de Luna, Crown Clown,
Beyond Evil, Link, Eat Love, Kill child, actor in Moon,
Embrace in the Sun, and so many others.

(53:03):
So you don't think that Yo Jingucan act?
No. Oh my God.
Oh my God. First real disagreement.
First true disagreement on the hot takes.
Look, I fully disagree with you,but that's OK.
What do you think about? Are you some?
I love him. I love him.
I think he he challenges himselfin different roles and explore

(53:29):
like exploring himself through different roles.
I think he's very cute. I do.
I think he's very cute and lovable, but he's also like, he
did this drama with Joe Boa and I was like, oh, I don't like Joe
Boa, but. She'll come up later.

(53:51):
She will. Yeah.
I don't like her. But I see you as a man in the
show. And that was just like, OK, OK,
we're grown up now, OK. I love it.
It's it's difficult because bothof them have been child actors,
as this commenter says, and I think I've seen more of Yo Jingu

(54:16):
as a child actor. So anything he does that's
remotely romantic, I'm like, whoa, back it up.
It's a child versus I know who I've seen less of as a child
actor. So it's easier for me to be
like, Oh my God, he's so cute like this, this show is so
great, whatever. And shut off the part of my

(54:36):
brain that has seen him as a child.
Yeah, Yeah, you have a point. Yeah.
What's your favorite year? Oh my God, the crowned clown,
the. Crown was fantastic.
Oh my gosh. And there's an episode on it, a
full review on the Tibock feed if you want to listen to it.
But I loved the crowned clown. Incredible with him playing the

(55:01):
mad king and then the peasant clown.
Are you fucking kidding me? Like he did amazing.
It was a very Parent Trap setup where he's playing twin roles.
Yeah. And incredible, incredible.
So I fully support both of theseguys.
I think both of them can act theassumption that their agencies

(55:25):
are not doing enough for them. Maybe yes, maybe no.
I think Yo Chung Gu's agency is doing enough for him.
They could always do more, sure,but when you're looking at the
projects he's doing and the justthe cast on the projects, I feel

(55:46):
like he has an upper hand than you somehow.
All right, moving on, sweetie. Little Jean says actors like
Wudohuan Paktian and Soul Kong Jun deserves popularity for
their acting than those actors in air quotes who only serves

(56:07):
face. If you know, you know.
You know. Yeah, sure.
Any version of this comment I can also make.
There's tons of actors out therewho don't have the notoriety,
don't have the fame, and have the talent.
And I've said this in the comments section of this exact
TikTok video. Hollywood and K drama land.

(56:30):
It is not a meritocracy. Unfortunately, OK, the best and
most talented actors and actresses are not going to get
the fame, the awards, the notoriety.
A lot of them fly under the radar and don't get popular.
No Who's Pak Chi home? Pak Chi in I think it's that kid

(56:51):
who was Yeah, he was the blonde kid in at a distance.
Spring is green. Yeah.
We KIRO. OK, We KIRO Class 2 love song
for illusion. OK.
Yeah, that's Pak Chi in. Yeah, I see you, like, rolling
your eyes and, like, shrugging. And I mean, everyone's going to

(57:13):
have their tastes and preferences, and this person
just happens to love these threeactors.
OK. That's kind of how it.
I can't believe. OK.
Oh wait, wait, what do you have to say?
I was going to say, I can't believe you put them in the
same, you know, sentence as Saukanjun and Doan.
Like those two have been around for a while.

(57:35):
Oh yeah, well they right Paktionis just starting with he.
I think with weak Hero, that's his big breakout.
Yeah, yeah. But Wudhwan and so Kongjun are a
little further in their career than Paktion.
Next up, Lumina Menezes says BAESusie is overrated.

(57:59):
I struggle watching drama she's in, not going to lie.
What? What do you get to say about
Susie? I don't think there's anything
to say we can move on 100%. 100%agree Susie.
And we've covered a handful of Susie dramas and reviewed them
on the podcast. Listen, Susie is well known for
being here because of pretty privilege.

(58:22):
Yes. She's an Idol actor, yes.
If you can call her an actor, she has a few tricks up her
sleeve that sometimes work with the right script, the right
ensemble cast, the right everything, but for the most
part, she's not going to stand toe to toe with any good to
great actor, period. She, you know, I, I don't know,

(58:48):
I don't know how she is still relevant because she's not in
anything. No, she keeps hosting award
shows and I'm like, wow, they got her out to do that.
They got her in full glam for. That when I see her, that's
where I see her. But she's very beautiful, so no.
She's very beautiful. She seems like a nice person.

(59:11):
I don't have anything against Bass Susie.
I just don't think she can act. And my favorite thing a few
months ago was the OR maybe it was a year ago was people trying
to do the Bass Susie smile. Oh yeah, I remember.
What the what? The 2 front teeth I.
Tell you right now, I can't do it.

(59:33):
All right, moving on. Xer says.
I feel so creeped out with Jung Han bro.
I feel like he's a toxic man under a good boy image or it's
just that he looks like Kim SU Hyun so I feel bad energy on him
too. Do you have any thoughts about
this? I've seen multiple people.
This is not the only person who had some sort of mysterious beef

(59:54):
with Jung Han Jungian from Snowdrops.
Something in the Rain? That drama we decided not to
watch to talk about and and he'sbeen booked for another ROM com.
I'm like, what did we literally?I with the love next door.

(01:00:14):
That's the show. I just anyway, so Chung Han, I
really don't get this one. This is just like people
projecting. I don't see what tea leaves are
even reading off of for this, but OK, if you feel like he's
got some sort of underground reputation or he's a toxic man
under the good boy image, fine, live your life.

(01:00:37):
So that's that. We got a comment here about the
show that Oh no, just a couple of people who watched, Fumi
says. Crash landing on you was not
that good and only two weeks a year with the love of your life
is unthinkable. I don't agree.

(01:00:58):
Emphatically do not agree. Let me tell you.
Let me tell you. Let me.
Tell you OK, OK. Again, what generation did you
come into? K dramas?
I think that plays a big role into Chloe because Sonia Jin and
Hyun Bin respectively. When you look at their shows, I
would say Sonia Jin has the better shows because Hyun Bin.

(01:01:24):
Dude, secret garden dude, that has aged horribly.
It has. It has, but I was going to say
it is better than. Hi, Jekyll and me So.
So we're making some progress, but I think Hempen is like a

(01:01:47):
movie star. I agree.
I think that's where he he shines the most.
And not that Sonia Jin hasn't done movies.
She has. She has.
But when you're looking, when we're talking about generation
and you've seen all their work like separately, and then you've
seen the movies they've done together.

(01:02:08):
Right. What's that?
What's that movie? The Negotiation?
Oh my God, one of my favorites because they're they're just
both so fantastic in that and they're feeding off of each
other and it's so hot. It's so hot.
Oh my God, it's so hot. So you have that and then you
come off of that and you see like even their press tour for

(01:02:31):
the negotiations stuff made of TV like it was, it was so good.
Chemistry, excitement, laughter.And then you see them in CLOY,
you're just like. Yeah.
They're giving? Yeah.
What Sanjun Ki and Song Hey Gio gave us in 2016.

(01:02:52):
So I completely do not agree with this.
Also, two weeks in a year, it's fine.
It's fine people, all right. Everyone has their own
relationship. All right, I'm landing somewhere
in the middle between you and this commenter, because I
understand Crash landing on you,love.
I totally understand. I was there when this thing hit

(01:03:13):
in 2020. I also understand that a lot of
the pandemic shows, which this is a pandemic show, hit
different because we were in a global lockdown, because life
was different, because we were confined.
And I feel like this show probably in any other year would

(01:03:34):
have been OK. And it's good, not great.
For me personally, it's good, not great.
I think it's over over hyped completely.
Hour and a half episodes heinous.
Still no reason for that to me. I hate hour and a half long
episodes. Crash landing on you is one of
those. And I also don't think this is

(01:03:56):
necessarily a happy ending because divining when or where
your your partner lover is goingto be for the rest of your life
and doing 2 weeks a year is stupidity to me.
They are not going to live full lives at all.
And I don't know this compared to maybe the adventure and

(01:04:21):
romance of a similar situation at the end of Pirates of the
Caribbean with Elizabeth and William doing that thing every
10 years. I will sign up for that versus
this modern day equivalent. To be honest, if we bring in
another drama which we've talkedabout tomorrow with you, with EJ

(01:04:43):
Hun, and you know, I would stillchoose Chloe over that one.
Over that one, which is that ending was well, spoilers for
that, but I think it was that she was waiting for him to like
figure out how to time travel toher because there was a point in
time that he couldn't travel past.

(01:05:04):
Yeah, yeah. And to me, that's, that's a no.
I'm not even. So you wouldn't date a time
traveler you wouldn't marry? Absolutely.
Got it. So anyway, so the crash lighting
on you for some reason I'm in between you and the Fumi this
commenter. OK.
I see your annoyance. I I can hear the annoyance also

(01:05:27):
just just right now as we're recording, I can hear the future
annoyance from people that are die hard CLOY fans.
I'm not a die hard CLOY fan, I'ma die hard Sonya Jen fan and I
think she was fantastic. She's so comedic.
There's no one doing it like herin K drama.

(01:05:51):
She's OG. She is, she's OG.
From like the early 2000s. Exactly.
The early aughts. And people still say her iconic
lines from shows, so it's OK. I don't want to get too upset.
Like I said, it's a generationalthing.
That gal Sally says that girl and Eve and it's OK to not be OK

(01:06:15):
should be given more roles. She's referring to Soya Ji, and
yeah, Soyaji hasn't had much of A career after those two shows.
Perhaps she was caught in the crossfires of Kim SU Hyun and
his hold on the industry. We don't really know what's gone

(01:06:36):
on behind closed doors and how or why people get blacklisted.
She did have a scandal, which wedid cover a little bit of in the
It's OK to not be OK deep dive review.
What are your thoughts on Soyaji?
Give me a Soyaji drama. Oh, am I being messy?

(01:06:57):
Give me a Soyaji drama that hasn't focused on her outfits
and her looks. Oh.
That says a lot. OK?
Kudokami 4242 says Iju Hyuk would dominate the industry if
they'd allowed him, but he but if he was to do so, it would
open people's eyes that certain actors slash actresses shouldn't

(01:07:19):
be the female lead slash male lead because they aren't
versatile. Alina says Iju Hyuk is way
prettier than almost any super famous K drama actor and he
should have more romance famous K dramas where he's the male
lead and a lot of people backingIsuhyok.
These are not the only two commenters who came in and just

(01:07:41):
flooded the comments section with Isuhyok Love.
Isuhyok is from the drama Tomorrow and a slew of other
dramas like Doom, At Your Service, Queen Wu been in the
biz for a while since about 2011.
Do you have thoughts on this man?

(01:08:03):
Ezio's voice is unbelievable, gets me every time.
And I agree he should do more romance.
I don't understand why he's not when I saw him in Doom at your
service. Just his love line with Park
Bouyoung's best friend ate it up.

(01:08:27):
Yeah, he's, he's a he's a sexy vampire.
He's a sexy vampire. That's how I know him from
Scholar Who Walks the Night from2015.
He was a vampire. I've never seen him before.
I just remember hearing his voice for the first time and I
was like what the fuck? This is nuts.
He does not match the way that he sounds at all.

(01:08:49):
He's got a very sultry, deep voice and I also don't think
he's hot at all. I don't find him attractive at
all, but I don't knock people who do find him attractive.
Again, it's all preference. As far as him dominating in the
industry, if they allowed him, Ithink that's hysterical.

(01:09:10):
I don't see that at all. If he had one project every year
where he was the male lead, I think you'd get sick of him.
You think so? Oh yeah, I think he's good in
small doses, which is evidently what the industry thinks.
Sorry, OK. You'd rather see him in more

(01:09:31):
stuff? No.
As a male lead and that he's going to open people's eyes.
Certain actors and actresses shouldn't be leads.
I think he's personal with that.No, no, no, no.
OK, but his voice. Yeah, I just think people are

(01:09:51):
enamoured with the voice and howhe so alluring.
Yeah. But to sit here and say he's
versatile and that he's going toshow up every other male lead
and K drama land and dude get real.
Next up, Zhong Semin and Shin Hai Son are the only female K

(01:10:15):
drama actresses who know what versatility is heavy on Shin Hai
Son. I'm glad you have that opinion.
Like, dude, what? She and his son from Mr. Queen.
Welcome to son Darui, dear Yeti.See you in my 19th life.

(01:10:37):
Angel's last mission. Yeah, She's she's good.
She's good. I don't know what they're
talking about. Of like, the only female
actresses who know what versatility is.
And Chung Somen as well. Yeah, I don't enjoy shinhisen.
OK. All right.
That's all I got to say. The follow up comments

(01:11:03):
underneath this one where Jasmine said also Pakundin.
You know what? She has surprised me.
Parkham Ben is the child actresswho has reason.
She's extraordinary attorney Wu,she's hyper knife, she's
castaway diva. She's a lot of things now and I

(01:11:24):
think she's great. She's great actress.
And let's talk about this versatility because I think what
do you? Mean what do you?
What do you? Yeah, exactly.
What do you mean? Because when you're looking at
Park and Ben, she has the projects, the variety of
projects given to her. And you can see that, you know,

(01:11:46):
she does a lot of work to transform herself into a
character, but she in his own doesn't really transform
herself. And she still has a variety of,
you know, does she really have avariety of shows apart from Mr.
Queen? 30 but 17, I mean, I just think

(01:12:08):
she's comedic. OK.
And she was in Stranger for a minute before the oh, I was
about to say a spoiler for Stranger.
I don't think a lot of people have seen Stranger.
I think she's good. I never think, Oh my God, Sheena
song pick song award. You know what I'm saying?
Like. Exactly.
She did the job and then she went home.
Like, I don't understand why we're sitting here talking about

(01:12:31):
her versatility. Other commenters underneath this
one said Kim Gotoon, Kim Teddy, Pakbo Young and the list goes
on. So yeah, those are some heavy
hitters. Kim Teddy, of course, has won a
bunch of picks on awards. Kim Gotoon as well.
I feel like she's also straddling the line between film
and K drama actress. I love Kim Gotoon Pakbo Young

(01:12:56):
her too. She's become much more choosy in
the last 10 years with her projects.
So I really respect these three.I don't think they're in the
same category as like she and his son is not in the same
category as these others that I'm.
Mentioning no, she's not even respectfully Chung Seo Min,

(01:13:18):
fantastic comedic actress, but Idon't think she has been given
the opportunity to do the kind of roles that Park and Ben and
the rest have done. So if I were to, like, group
them, I'd say Park and Ben, Kim Go and Kim Terry and just
recently Park Boyo, because it'sjust recently that she's just

(01:13:40):
like, you know what? I'm not gonna do the Park Mignon
kind of shtick anymore. I wanna do emotional stuff.
Yeah, with a message, with a, you know, something to say.
Yeah, exactly. So the first two, I'm just like,
come on. Get real.
Yeah. She and his Son is honestly the

(01:14:01):
best first of all actress. She's taken supporting slash
background roles as well so she knows how the whole set works
and so underrated. She deserves the fame.
Here's the thing, I don't think any actor comes in and says I
want to take a supporting slash background role when they are
still up and coming. Exactly but.

(01:14:24):
OK, it's different if you're like even O level Hyun Bin Sonia
Jin and they take a lesser role.That is a statement that is
something that was definitely intentional.
Like Chung Yi Song in Moving. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And even Hanyuju. Yes, these are intentional heavy

(01:14:46):
hitters put in AI mean they're still leads, they're still top
billing. But this is a large ensemble
cast that flips back and forth between characters.
They're not constantly in every single episode, every single
part of the show. But to say Shenise Son has done
supporting and background roles so she knows how the whole set
works, It's like like, fuck out of here.

(01:15:08):
Like every all of these people have done smaller roles as
they've built their career up, barring Chow.
So I'm already throwing jabs to where we're headed later.
A lot of people love Sheen Hassan.
I'm not sure why. I think it's just Mr. Queen.
Yes, yes, any time they mention her name, that's the drama I

(01:15:30):
hear the most. Stop hating on Sheen Hassan just
because she doesn't fit your beauty standard.
She devours every role the womancan act.
Who? Who has said she's ugly?
Nobody know who's saying she's out here ugly.
I I don't know anybody who said she was ugly.
I can't watch. Oh, this person's a hater.
I can't watch anything with ShinHassan because I hate her so
much in Legend of the Blue Sea. Sorry.

(01:15:52):
Wow. The first of all, you're it's
Legend of the Blue Sea and that you're gonna be like, oh, that's
that's my line. OK, OK, OK.
We're moving on from Shin Hassanand and all of these other
actresses. Maybe they'll come up later,
Vivian says. Toboa is a terrible actress,

(01:16:12):
Ijan is the most versatile actor.
Isuhyok again, Isuhyok and and Ijan deserve more lead roles.
And yes, Jo Boa is an extremely terrible actress.
And yeah, did I mention that Jo Boa is bad?
They. Have to say it.
Had to say it had to be said. Dude I got completely demolished

(01:16:35):
on TikTok a while back, I think a year ago or so when I posted
that I didn't like Toboa and it was during my watch of Dustin
with you that I realized I hate Toboa's acting like I hate it.
And I also made the claim the jump, which I guess this is a
hot take that Toboa market corrected.

(01:16:57):
Pakshinhei. Epakshinhei from the Ayers
Pinocchio. Doctor Slump.
Yes, Doctor Slump. And this was just before she did
her comeback after having her child, so she was a lot less
visible. And people came to each of their
defenses like crazy, like out ofthe woodworks.

(01:17:20):
What do you think about Jo Boa and I guess by extension,
Pakshine? OK, Jo Boa is a horrible
actress. Oh horrible.
But she's she is not as bad as what's that Doremi Doremi.
Drama. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes. Hold on, I'll get it.
It's dodo's. So la soul.

(01:17:41):
Yes, Gora. Oh yeah.
So many people catching strays. Oh, my God.
I yeah, I don't like Joe Bolla. She also has that stink face
that like, something stinks thatI'm talking about when she's

(01:18:02):
like, whether she's thinking shedoes it too much.
I have not seen her, really. I feel like every drama, she's
the same person. And then yeah.
And the fact that she's getting shows.
Oh no, the fact that she's getting shows is atrocious.

(01:18:23):
Like why, how and? She's and she's and she's
getting like, really good actors.
Yeah. Anyway.
And then Park Shenhay, I did notlike her until she got married
and had a kid, which is the weirdest thing to say.
But I really feel like when she got married and came back, she's

(01:18:47):
just like, I'm a woman now. I'm going to give you something
I'm not giving. I'm not giving you the stuff I
gave you before I was married. So it made me feel like, girl,
were you in a cult? And they said you couldn't do
this? And then when you got married,
you like became emancipated. Like what's going on?

(01:19:08):
I, I feel like I'm seeing more personality from you.
Even on like talk shows and stuff.
She seems more confident and comfortable and playful and just
like, oh I liked her and the devil judge I thought she was.
She she gave me something. Something, Yeah, I don't like

(01:19:28):
how both of them do a lot of lipacting, which in turn is just
biting their lips in frustration.
That's true. And I, it bothers me so much.
Oh my gosh. Like nails on a chalkboard to
me. So for both of them to have the
same shtick in their acting, that is that where the
comparison came into play. And I don't think either of them

(01:19:51):
is is excellent by any stretch. I will say, and I've said this
on the podcast several times, that I like Pakshine better in
movies. I agree with you, but I'd like
to ask, do you like Pakshine better in dramas than Joe Boa or
are they the same? They're they're about, they're
about equal. They're about equal.
But I haven't seen Doctor Slump and I'm only three episodes into

(01:20:17):
the Devil. It's not the devil Judge.
What is this one Devil Justice? What is it called?
It's not called Devil Judge. Oh, that's the one which she
sung in. The judge from hell.
Yes. Yeah, so I'm only three episodes
into Judge From Hell and I don'tI still don't see the hype.
People are hyping it up like crazy and I was like, it's fine,

(01:20:38):
I'm here watching it. It is really good for Mark
Shenhay. If you're looking at all the
work she's done, I do think thisis her best work.
Damn. OK, well, all right.
I have like a stink face on. Next.

(01:20:59):
Stop laughing. All right, Carol, this is
running really, really long. So I'm actually going to pull a
Part 2, a season 2 on this hot take saying, what do you say?
If we just continue this in a Part 2 because there's so much
here, then we're not even close to being done.
I agree, I agree, I didn't thinkwe would be so into this, but

(01:21:19):
here we are. I know we're we're so into this.
We have so much to say and there's so much left to go over.
So, Carol, we're just going to pause here.
We're going to do a Part 2. Carol, where can people find you
online? You can find me on Instagram as
K dramas musings and DM me rightnow.
I'm slow with posting but I am watching everything.

(01:21:45):
DM me ask me. You're for Rex.
I'm there for you. So.
Lovely. Thank you so much, Carol.
And we'll see you for Part 2. I'm Jessica.
This has been the tip of Kia Rambles.

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