Nothing But You (C-drama) / Ep. 87

On Episode 87 of the Daebak K-Rambles Podcast, Liliana from Tea & Soju Podcast is on hand to review Nothing But You, starring Wu Lei and Zhou Yu Tong.

Jumping straight into spoilers, Jess and Liliana talk through this 2023 slice-of-life sports drama. The duo discuss the cast, the progression of this 10-year jiejie/noona romance, the best swoon-worthy scenes, the mommy issues, and more!

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Episode Transcript

(00:19):
I'm Jessica and this is Tibaki Rambles, where a couple of
friends review Korean dramas, except today we are going to
review a sea drama, a Chinese drama.
And for this episode, I am joined by Liliana from the Tea
and Soju podcast. How are you, Liliana?
I'm doing great. I'm very excited to be here to
talk about this one today. Yeah, I'm doing really well

(00:41):
right now. Yeah, yeah, We were chatting
beforehand and we are really busy little indie podcasters
over here. We don't know how this happened,
but the next few months are really packed for us.
And so every time we get together though, it is so much
fun. We have a blast and we are going
to talk about Nothing But You, which is a Leo Wu drama.

(01:08):
What had happened was we never got to review the other Leo Wu
drama it. Didn't the long ballad the.
Long ballad. We never did it because it would
just wasn't that good. So then we all like sort of
dropped it and we reviewed something else.

(01:29):
I basically was like, we still have to review a Leo Wu drama
and I want to do another sea drama for season 6.
So I picked nothing but you. I had heard wonderful things
about it from you, Liliana. And I was like, Liliana, do you
want to like pop in and do nothing but you?
And so we're here. We're going to review it.

(01:49):
Really exciting stuff. But before we do, if this is
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(02:33):
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Nothing but you. All right, so like any other C
drama review on the Tibock feed,this is going to be a spoiler
ific review. We are not going to have a non
spoiler section, so proceed at your own caution.

(02:57):
We are going to spoil nothing but you.
Whatever there is to spoil, so the My Drama List synopsis
reads. Liang Yohan, an executive
assistant to a powerful boss, has been stagnant in her
position that was going nowhere.With plans to resign.
She got her opportunity to meet Song Sang Chuan, a professional

(03:17):
badminton player going through atraumatic period in his life
which rendered him stuck. Their chance encounter sent both
on life and career altering paths that had them first
becoming acquaintances, then friends, and then slowly growing
into something more. While she encouraged him to be
the first person ever to transfer from professional
badminton to professional tennis, he, at nearly 10 years

(03:41):
her junior, provided support anduncharacteristic wisdom.
Could these two seemingly different people ultimately
succeed in their goals, life andlove?
So Nothing But You aired in March through April 2023.
So happy birthday, Nothing But You.
We are recording this at the endof March and this will air.

(04:04):
This episode will air in early April.
Sorry. Yeah.
So it's two years old. Happy birthday to nothing but
you. It's two years old and it's 38
episodes long. I'm not sure why Liliana.
Why is the show 38 episodes long?
I don't know, I don't know. It doesn't need to be 30. 8.

(04:27):
And let me tell you a very quickthing.
So basically I I started watching this show live, right?
This show came out at the same time as Till the End of the
moon. Till the end of the Moon was
airing at the same time. So I remember I had the last

(04:47):
like 6 episodes of this show to watch and it took me weeks to
finished this show because I wasso in like the till the end of
the moon boat. Yeah.
And now thinking back, I'm like,we never needed.
I listened because I did like a mini review of this for on
Patreon. And I listened back.
And one of the things that I said was this did not need to be

(05:09):
38 episodes. We could have shaved off.
Yeah, we could have shaved off acouple of episodes off of this
one. Oh yeah, it could have been 3028
episodes and it would have been perfectly.
Fine. Just fine at that lane. 38
episodes was excessive to me. The director of Nothing But You

(05:30):
is Chen Chang and he's directed As Beautiful As You, Lie to
Love, Dating in the Kitchen and Mad About You, among other
things. Have you seen some of this
director's work? I started and dropped as
beautiful as you. I started and dropped lie to
love. I finished dating in the kitchen

(05:51):
the 1st 2 so as beautiful as youand lighter love are very much
like As beautiful as you is a tan song Yoon and true Kai
drama, but it's like very officestyle and I those sometimes work
for me. Not very often light to love is
actually a Loy and she drama, but it's the same actress that

(06:15):
was in Oh my God, falling into your smile and I just don't
really like that actress. She's very wooded on screen.
So I was like I tried it. I tried it for Loy and she but I
was like, no, no, not even Loy and she will hold me here.
So yeah, and dating in the kitchen.
I love Zalu she but yeah, I finished it.

(06:37):
I actually reviewed dating in the kitchen.
On the inside too. I finished it look dating in the
kitchen. There's just no chemistry.
They, the Zalushi and the male lead have a huge age gap and to
me I just didn't see the chemistry and that made the

(06:59):
drama not great for me. Even though I love Zalushi in
it, I just didn't enjoy, you know, the drama in general.
OK, so not a good track record for this director, but nothing
but. Moving on, Nothing But You was
written by Zhang Yingji and she's only written 3 projects,

(07:20):
not counting Nothing But You. Those three projects are nothing
but 30. And to be a better man.
Have you even heard of these? Not these ones.
All right, we're moving on. So Nothing But You stars Woo Lay
AKA Leo Wu as Song Sunshine. He's, as we said in the Love

(07:44):
Like the Galaxy episode, known as the nation's little brother.
He's considered one of the four Little Heavenly Kings.
He's done amidst the snowstorm of love in 2024.
Love Like the Galaxy from 2022, The Long Ballad from 2021,
Nirvana and Fire. He has his own production
company, his mom helps him run it, and I think he's really

(08:08):
going places. He's such a great talent.
What do you think of Wooley? I mean, it's no surprise to
anyone that he's one of my favorite actors in general.
Like he has learned, and I say this all the time, he has
learned from some of the best inthe industry.
And having watched, you know, 16year old Roulet and Nirvana in

(08:31):
Fire in 20 from 2015 and having watched a Midst a Snowstorm of
love in 2024, it's like crazy tosee his journey.
The way he emotes on screen is just so incredibly good.
Now, do I think his characters tend to be similar?

(08:53):
Sometimes? Maybe I really want to see him
in like a crime or something very different to what he's done
so far. But saying that nothing but you
is to me a very different character to love, like the
Galaxy. That's why I say I really like
this, because it's a very different character for him.

(09:17):
But yeah, I, I like, I really like him and he's one of those
actors that I can't wait to see what he's like in five years
time, 10 years time. He's very choosy with his
projects as well, because he does own his own production
company, his mum's his manager and whatnot.
He gets free rein to do what theheck he wants, in essence.

(09:40):
So he gets to pick. He gets the privilege of like
choosing his own projects because I feel like that is a
little privilege sometimes. Yeah, not every artist has that.
True. So he really is the master of
his own career and I really, really like that about him and
it shows in the projects that hehimself kind of, you know,

(10:03):
picks. Also I will say the fact that he
plays these very cold characters, but in fact you
watch a behind the scenes and this guy is like the goofiest of
goofballs. Yeah, he's.
Always beyond me. He's like the clown sometimes.
So. So yeah, I, I really.
Like him, you know. He really is.
He really is. It doesn't match his face,

(10:25):
doesn't it doesn't match his face at all.
He's kind. Of like a kind of sophisticated
aura and faze. And that's his persona, like us,
you know, very Stony in a lot ofroles, especially Love Like the
Galaxy, which is excellent with a showcase.
And of course, you can scroll back in your podcast feed and
listen to our Love Like the Galaxy deep dive.

(10:46):
But if you look at the behind the scenes footage of like, when
they say cut Wool Lake is like agoofball.
Yeah. Nothing like these characters.
Yeah. And the fun thing is so even in
Nirvana and fire, he plays this is very, very story like barely

(11:07):
any emotion 16 year olds. And it's so funny as well.
Basically because I reviewed Nirvana and Fire 50 and Soju and
like one of my notes that I saidwas Oh my God, it's baby Woo Lai
because he has this like very. Same face.
But he already has like and the features that he will have like,

(11:30):
you know, nowadays as a 24 year old man, 25 year old man, but he
looks very baby. But he then has this like almost
scowl, permanent scowl on his face.
And it goes with this character in Nirvana and fired very much
goes with this character. But it was like so strange and
yet great at the same time to watch him from something from

(11:53):
2015 and then watch him in something like love like the
Galaxy, because I feel like lovelike the Galaxy is kind of
almost a reprise of Nirvana and fire stoic who like it on a
man's face over like on a man's.Face what do things if that.
Makes sense. Yeah, he is.

(12:14):
He has, he has. But yeah, I think his actings
really good and I can't wait to see where he goes next.
Really. Yeah.
So his Co star is Zuya Tong. She plays Lian Yuan.
She's our female lead. She's been about 5 movies, 21 TV
shows including Will Love in Spring with Lucian from Meet

(12:36):
Yourself, which we've covered onthe podcast feed as well.
That was a drama trio episode. Remembrance of things past,
begin again, Youngblood. I think you really enjoy Zuya
Tong. I do.
I always say she this actress isslept on constantly by
international fans. And I think it's because she

(12:59):
choose. First of all, she chooses
projects that tend to be not as widely available.
But even when they are widely available, they tend to be
projects that people wouldn't necessarily want to gravitate
towards. So Remembrance I've watched,
well, I started watching Remembrance of Things Past and
the only reason I didn't finish it is it's an MGTV drama and the

(13:22):
Subs were terrible. I think it has since come to
Vicki, but I just didn't go backto pick up.
But I think the first thing I watched her in was begin again
because that's a very quick, quick.
I say quick. She plays like this CEO who has
to have has to marry and has to have a cage to, you know, get to

(13:44):
where she needs to be. And she meets this doctor and
the doctor is kind of like the sunny personality and she's the
cold CEO. So that's where I.
First met fun, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like a
trope reversal. It's a lot of fun.
I had a lot of fun with it. But then I have seen her in Will
Love and Spring love it if you like, like a mature romance,

(14:08):
that that's what that is. And I I think Will Love in
Spring is only 21 episodes as well, which is even better.
Yeah, it's like, sure, it's really good.
I I really liked it. But yeah, I I just really like
her as an actress. I think she tends to have really
good chemistry, not just with her Co stars, but with like the

(14:28):
rest of the cast as well. Like she plays a lot of dramas
that are family orientated or characters that are very flawed
in her in their essence. But yeah, I, I, I think she's a
really, really good actress. Nice.
So this is my first experience with Zoo You Tong.
It's not my first experience with the Woo Lay and like I

(14:49):
said, I basically came in knowing next to nothing about
the drama except the good word of mouth from you.
I knew Woo Lay was in it and I didn't.
It didn't hit me that this was asports drama until I actually
put it on the docket for Season 6.
And I kind of like looked it up more and I was like, oh right,

(15:10):
right, badminton to tennis. That's the whole shtick.
And then I was like, wait a minute, I freaking love sports
dramas. So this is actually the section
of Season 6 where I just pulled out all the stops.
O This drama is a sorts drama and the next drama that we're
reviewing is also a sports dramabecause I am nothing if not self

(15:33):
indulgent and this drama is a little bit of that for me
because I tend to really like sports dramas.
I was looking back at the other ones that we've reviewed on the
Tibock feed sports dramas like 2521 fencing, prison playbook,
baseball, love all play, badminton, weightlifting, fairy

(15:55):
swimming, slash weightlifting, run on track.
So I have a great time with all of these dramas.
I love underdog stories and I freaking love Nuna romances.
So as soon as I realized that all of these things are at play
and nothing but you, I was like,fuck yes, this is going to be

(16:17):
great. So I I'm going to throw it over
to you. Knowing all of this about me, I
kind of like showed my hand a little bit.
What do you think about nothing But you?
I mean, I really liked it. I think, like I said, I think it
is a little bit long for what itneeds to be.
So it does get a little bit draggy at points, but as a

(16:41):
whole, I love the fact that it is an underdog story and the
fact that they really showcase that with persistence, hard work
and just love for what you want to do, you can get to where you
want to be. And that's like a big message in
this show that I I loved, I loved about it.

(17:01):
Who doesn't like rooting for theunderdog?
I. Know, yeah.
Like it's, it's great. So I love that aspect.
I love the fact that there's really good communication in
this show. Like there's some conversations
that you have. Did you say are we allowed to go
into spoilers? Or do you?
Okay, here's the second PSA remind.

(17:23):
Yeah, I have to remind people because most C drama reviews hit
and I have to say it because K drama reviews, I always have the
non spoiler and the spoiler section.
But for Chinese dramas, all betsare off.
I'm always like just if you press play on a nothing but you
love like the Galaxy love between fairy and devil review,
I'm assuming you've watched 38 episodes.

(17:45):
You've watched 50 something episodes.
So I mean, sorry. So spoilers are on the table.
Be prepared to be spoiled. Go for it, Liliana.
So I think what really shocked me was the way they set this
drama up right, is that obviously he's playing badminton

(18:06):
and he's got this whole thing that if he gets to 18 points, he
plays really well until he gets to 18 points and then everything
goes and he can't, yeah, he logsup.
He can't seem to play anymore properly.
So stuff happens and he goes, right, The female lead convinces
him to go from badminton to tennis, which people have

(18:29):
pointed out very well that that would never happen.
But look, guys, we're throwing that out the window.
You know, it's a drama. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a drama like, like I'm going to root for my underdog.
He's like. He starts the drama and he's 22

(18:50):
years old, a professional badminton player who's 22 years
old, going from badminton and switching to tennis and becoming
a professional tennis player. Yeah, No, that's.
That's unheard of. Would have happened exactly.
It wouldn't. Have say that in the drama they

(19:11):
even go that like he has a conversation with his stepdad
and he's like, you know, that doesn't happen.
And he's like, yeah, I'm going to be the 1st and like
everybody's like, yeah, yeah, you're going to be the like,
like that's what you want to do.You want to cheer for the
underdog, right, right, right. But I think what I was going to
say was, is that so their relationship can feel very
almost unbalanced because she's the manager of the club that

(19:34):
he's going to end up playing for, right?
But it never does. I don't think it ever came
across as unbalanced where she had more power over him because
she was the manager or anything like that.
So I really enjoyed that aspect.I enjoyed the aspect that
although she's older, he has a emotional maturity that allows

(19:56):
the relationship to be believable.
So I think because of all of that, it made me enjoy the
drama. I mean it's the slow burn these
two take. Their freaking time to get
anywhere I think. I think Woo Lei has a thing for
slow burns. He does.
You have, you have to think thatbecause of the projects that he

(20:18):
chooses and the freedom that he has to choose these projects,
you're like, oh, this man likes a slow fucking burn.
Unless it's a midst a snowstorm of love.
Because they get together fast in that drum.
But the pacing of Amidst the Snowstorm of love is also snail
space, so he. Likes slow stuff.

(20:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he does. He does.
So I think their relationship, because they became really good
friends 1st and then moved on into a relationship later on, it
made it work for me so much more, so much more.
Say say I really liked it. And like I said, I think one of

(21:01):
my qualms is that it could have been shorter, but.
Yeah, that's my biggest qualm isthat it's 38 episodes.
Could have been 30, could have been 28, could have been 20
episodes. This story is tried and true,
going to win me over. Every time you have an underdog,

(21:21):
you have someone who's trying topersevere in a sport that
they're not familiar with, that they have a lot of trauma
playing sports and stuff like that.
I am like, sign me up, sign me up.
For some reason, I really enjoy these types of stories.
Maybe it's because I'm American,I don't fucking know.

(21:42):
But the perseverance, the grit, the mental fortitude,
encountering problems, solving problems, all these things go
into a sports drama. It's a formula that always is
always going to work for me. When you talk about this Nuna
romance, which what's the equivalent in how do you say
older sister in Mandarin? So basically this happened so I

(22:06):
asked Sarah from K Drama this and she's like this and I've now
yeah she told me like 3 times and I always forget and I always
just go back to referring to it as Nuna romance.
This is so annoying. She'll start to ask again and
like write it down or something.Every time she's like oh, it's
this like this. There's not really a what she's

(22:28):
explained to me is there's not really an equivalent thing, but
like this is how you would translate it and kind of kind of
say that genre. And I always forget every single
time I'm going to have to write it down.
You have to especially this is, this is the perfect like time to
bring it out your back pocket. But anyway, she's 32 and he's
22. This is right around like our

(22:51):
ages, but like the female lead is right around our age.
If you told me today that a hot badminton player was trying to
get in my pants when he was 22, I'd be like, fuck out of here.
Like fuck off, because that age is wild.
Like to me that 10 year age gap is wild.
But for some reason it it won meover in the show, totally won me

(23:16):
over. He seems like an old soul.
He seems a lot more emotionally mature, like you said, and even
though he has a lot of lighter, bubbly moments, he's a lot
different than the other characters that we mentioned at
the start of this episode. And there's a lot of comedy in
this show. There's a lot of side characters

(23:36):
that we can get into, but like, for some reason those two are
really the glue that holds this whole thing together.
They are. They really are.
Were there any surprises in thisshow that you thought were
unique? I don't know.
Well, like I said, for me, I really liked some of the things

(23:57):
that I liked was the dialogue and the found family and a
couple of things. So one of my biggest surprises,
it wasn't like, I don't know, it's just something that I
thought they were going to take in One Direction and they
didn't. And it's specifically right at
the end when he has to go, this is going to be like we're
jumping right over to Kendall. Nice.

(24:19):
That's fine. But it's when he has to go and
play for a different club. Like he's at a point now that he
has to go and play for a bigger club and I, because he's so
good, he's surpassed when the coaches can teach him at Yeah,
so he has to go. Top Smash, that's the name of.
The club and usually this would be the part where like they,

(24:40):
they would whack out the noble idiocy or something and they
would break them up or not. But they didn't, they didn't,
they were like, we can do a longdistance relationship.
And you see them texting back and forth and you see them like
going to visit each other. You see them doing a long
distance relationship. And it's the same thing that

(25:04):
happens when he's injured and hehas to go recover.
And she pays for all of that andhe finds out and his mom is
like, yeah. And he's like, I don't want
this, like I I want to pay it back.
And you thought, Oh my God, thisis going to blow up.
It's going to be like a huge argument.

(25:24):
It's resolved within two episodes.
And it's like it's resolved withthem sitting each other down and
having an open dialogue, like open communication.
And I think that's a theme throughout the whole drama is
that every time I think this is going to go in the trope way of
they're going to misunderstand each other, they're going to

(25:47):
break up, they're going to, you know, those type of things.
The show kind of reels it back in.
They sit down, they have an opencommunication and then, you
know, they they saw it. Things are so so, yeah.
The best way I can describe thisshow is like a slice of life
buzz sports. That's exactly what it is.

(26:08):
Yeah. That's exactly what it is, Yeah.
Yeah. Because it takes place over a
long period of time. This is several years, right?
Yeah. He has like 2 birthdays.
He goes abroad for two years andwe're still with these
characters, so the 38 episodes is multiple years.
Yeah. And I still don't think it

(26:30):
should have been 38 episodes, but it's fine to do like such a
long period of time. That's atypical, I would say of
any drama. Usually you keep all of the the
action or whatever within a short period of time.
Like you just it all of this happens in like 2 weeks, several
months or whatever. This is just taking you on this

(26:50):
journey with them. All this training, all of these
tournaments, all of these competitions and all of this,
all these setbacks and they try and get acquired and they're
taking investors and they get sold and all this stuff.
She's dealing with stuff, he's dealing with stuff as an
athlete. They're on parallel tracks

(27:11):
until, you know, he kind of surpasses her.
And I would say that the thing that kind of intrigued me the
most was that the drama kind of fell flat when it came to the
parent stuff. To me, I was like, this is
confusing. And it's almost like too

(27:31):
pessimistic for the drama. I, I don't know how to put it.
What did you think of his mom drama and then her mom drama?
So when it comes to his mom drama, I do feel like they
resolved that fairly early on because they resolved that like

(27:52):
in the 1st 20 episodes even earlier I would say because he
has to get over his trauma because.
What had happened was didn't hishis mom forced him to go into
badminton. First of all, he didn't.
He didn't like badminton. He didn't like it, no.
And then he rose through the ranks, was doing really well.

(28:14):
His mom was coaching him and I would say kind of in an abusive
manner. Like, not very she.
Was a bully. Yeah, she was like bullying him
anyway. She was like bullying his ass
anyway. So then on one of his matches
she up and like disappears, likecompletely ghost him.

(28:37):
And come to find out, she had slinged off to die because she
got a cancer diagnosis that was really foul and she just
decided, oh, I'm going to disappear from my son's life
rather than him see me die. Die.
Yeah. Yeah, like not beat this cancer.
And I was like, what the fuck isgoing on?

(28:59):
Like I it was first of all told very strangely, because he she
just like left him with the stepdad, which I don't know, I
don't maybe it's the Hispanic inme coming out, but I'm like,
what do you mean you just lie? You just up and abandoned your
son with the stepdad. Like not even a blood relative

(29:21):
anyway. See that part?
That part didn't bother me too much because I have a stepdad
and to me he's more of a dad than like.
I totally understand. So that part doesn't bother me
too much. I love that for everyone who has
wonderful stepparents. But what is she doing?
Like it was very it reminded me of that movie and I'll see if I

(29:45):
can pull it up. She was out of line for just
abandoning him though. I do agree with that.
Like I completely agree. I don't I I don't mind her
choice of who he was left with, but I do completely agree that
she was completely out of line just up and leaving him after
all of these years of making himdo something that he didn't want

(30:07):
to do. Yes.
So the movie that I'm thinking of is The Farewell from 29 19
with Aquafina. Have you heard of it?
Right. So the the premise of that movie
is that her Aquafina's grandmother in China has gotten
a cancer diagnosis like that she's going to imminently die of
cancer. It's like stage 3 or 4 and the

(30:30):
families doesn't tell the grandmother that she's dying of
cancer. Instead, they go and have a
wedding ceremony for like another, like a cousin of hers
as an excuse to get the family together to say their last
goodbyes. That's the farewell.
That's where the farewell comes from.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's very cultural, right?

(30:52):
Like that's a Chinese family. And it reminded me of the
farewell in that they just don'twant to be a bother.
They don't want to inconveniencetheir family member and they
don't want to cause for the in that case the grandmother.
They don't want to cause her unnecessary pain if she doesn't

(31:12):
need to go through that mental like anguish if she's going to
die anyway. Yeah.
That sentiment is still there, that very odd cultural sentiment
that is really at odds with my culture.
And I wondered if you felt any ahint of that at all with the
mother leaving. Like never mind that she left

(31:33):
him with a stepdad, the whole thing of her leaving.
Oh, she was way out alive. You thought it was?
Like, yeah, yeah. Because first of all, like, so
like we we've discussed she kindof does bully him almost into
this sport and he becomes incredibly good because he wants

(31:55):
to make his mom proud, right. That's kind of like his way of
wanting to play. She should have just said
because either way, he's Scrooge.
If she had said to him, I've gotand so I'm going to die, he
might have been like, I can't play anymore, you know, I need
to focus on my mom or whatever. But with her just up and

(32:15):
leaving, yes, he does still play, but he's like stuck in
this. But yeah, like he, he never
grows anymore from that point onwards.
And then he, it creates a lot ofissues with him mentally, not
just in his badminton life, but in his general life.

(32:36):
He doesn't have a lot of friends.
In fact, he's a very straightforward kind of person
and a lot of people don't like that.
So they they don't And he's verymisunderstood, I think within
the badminton club within like everywhere in general.
So if you look at his life at the beginning of the show, he
doesn't really have any friends.He's so unhappy with his job

(32:59):
choice or what he has to do. He knows it's a ticking time
bomb because he knows he's not going to be fit you.
Know, yeah, he doesn't see a future for himself in badminton.
So and that can all be traded back to the fact, but yet he
still can't let go of it, like he can't make himself let go of

(33:20):
it. And I think it is because it's
almost like him letting go of his mother, almost in essence,
like letting go of that sport. So I absolutely don't like the
fact that I would have rather have her die in him.
No, And that's why he was like so stunted playing if I think

(33:41):
that would have been. The disappearance, the
mysterious like it's. Just like out of nowhere.
And then it's reveals that she. Dies by herself and then leaves
instructions for her to have a sea burial and they kept her
ashes for him for for some reason I I was baffled by the
entire production of the mom's death.

(34:04):
Yeah, I, I, I think it could have been better done because I
think I think. But then she also.
Lied to like the stepdad. She lied to everyone.
She was like, I'm just going to saunt her off and like nobody's
going to know and I'm just goingto die by myself.
And it's. Not like an animal in the
fucking woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(34:25):
That's exactly what she did. She kind of like saunted off to
die by yourself. And I'm like, what is even the
point of this? Right.
It just, I don't know, it made it left a lot of questions more
than answers. I don't know, like his mommy
issues were very understandable,but I just, I had a lot of

(34:46):
questions and it didn't make much.
Sense not a lot of answers. Not a lot of answers when they
go to the seaside town because she's like, you need it because
all of these problems come back again when he starts playing
tennis, he comes across again with this wall of he doesn't

(35:07):
want to fail. It stems from like his mommy
issues. So she's like, why don't we get
some closure? Why don't we find out exactly
what happened to your mom, whichto me is like, no fucking shit.
Like why would you? Even if you had, even if you had
no problems at all in any sport,in any profession.
Let's find out what happened to mom.

(35:28):
Let's investigate this because she went missing and is God
knows where. You know, like what did she
really have cancer? Was she lying to you?
I would have a lot of trust issues after this so.
You. Know the female lead is like
let's find your mom. And they do, they go on this

(35:49):
little, like, train ride to the seaside, and they find where
she's buried her urn. And then the people that have
the columbarium are like, oh, yeah, she left instructions to
be buried at sea. And I'm like, buried at sea.
I what connection to the sea do these people have?
I just had, like, more questionsbecause I'm like, why the sea?

(36:12):
So I started cracking up when they open the urn and he's
dumping the ashes into the ocean.
And the ashes are. And the ashes are flying to,
frankly in their faces, because they had to film this on the
windiest day is the blustery day.

(36:33):
And then the stepdad comes out of nowhere, literally runs into
frame, and he's just there. He just made it to the seaside
town. He has no luggage, nothing on
him. He just runs in and starts
grieving immediately. And I'm like, all right, I guess
this is happening. And the two of them just dumping

(36:54):
handfuls of ashes into their ownfaces.
It was sending me up a wall. It was funny.
I didn't find out they're funnier than anything else.
I was, it was. It was just so weird and funny.
Yeah. They're soaked with sea spray.
Like soaked with sea spray? And ashes.

(37:14):
And then ashes on top of it. I, I was like, what?
She's not even going out to sea.No, she's coming out with them.
So this just all of this was crazy.
It was crazy. But her mom, I wanted to slap

(37:36):
her so many times. Her mom was a piece of work.
It was because that Lady was bitter. 1 of this.
This is one of the most bitter characters I've seen in a drama
period because she got this divorce from the female leads
biological dad and has since been single and then has tried

(37:59):
to instill these values of just hating on men and you're never
going to find someone who's who's long term and say no to
marriage and yadda yadda yadda into her daughter.
I mean, this lady was so mad at constantly so mad, like

(38:21):
constantly constantly pissed at the dad that when he finally got
cancer at the end of the show, Iwas like, I was waiting for
someone to get cancer. I was waiting for somebody else
to get cancer because, you know,the male lead and his dad, his
step dad have the wig shop rightacross the street from the

(38:42):
oncology center. I was like, yeah, no, someone
else is getting a cancer in thisshow.
So her dad gets cancer. He has surgery to remove a
kidney because I think it's on one kidney.
It's stage 2 kidney cancer. The female lead comes to see her
mom and when she comes through the door the mom goes is he
dead? I know.

(39:03):
And the female, he's like, no, no, he's still alive.
He had surgery. He just has one less kidney.
And that mom says with a straight face.
Oh, then I can't rejoice yet. She's horrible.
That's like I. Just I just really, really
disliked her. Oh my.
God. And there was not, there was not
one redeeming quality about her,not one redeeming quality about

(39:27):
her that you could pick at, to be honest.
So I just had such an issue withthat mom.
Up to a certain point, I was like, OK, I get it.
You're bitter. You had a horrible experience.
You don't want your daughter to go through the same thing.
After a certain point, I'm like,OK, you're doing irreparable
harm. There's only so much.

(39:47):
Right. You can do, yeah.
It was foul. I just did not like that Lady
one bit. No, because it was making the
female lead afraid to be in a relationship.
Yes, and it was making her refuse.
She has this great guy ready to date her, but she's not ready

(40:07):
because she's she's just like instilling everything.
Her mom, even if she's trying not to, she's kind of just
instilling everything that her mom's kind of spewing.
So you're like, there's a come on, come on.
Yeah. But then she's such a hypocrite.
But then she's such a hypocrite because at the beginning of the
show the female lead has that surgery to remove.

(40:29):
Was it an ovary? I can't even remember what it.
Was yes, I think it was something.
I can't remember what it was, I think it was a cyst as an
ovarian cyst. Yeah, it was something to do
with her reproductive system. I remember because then it leads
to the story much later on that she is unlikely to have kids or
she can have a She's going to have a really hard time having

(40:52):
kids. Right.
But that when she's in the hospital, the mom is like, do
you have to have this surgery, Don't have the surgery, yadda,
yadda, because then you won't beable to have kids later.
I'm like, kid, what do you think?
Do you think kids drop out of the sky?
Like I don't understand like. Getting someone to have a kid
with, Yeah. I I was like floored that she

(41:14):
was such a traditionalist about her having kids.
And not her being in a relationship.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
No, I'm like looking around the room.
I agree. It doesn't compute.
I mean, you could go down the road of saying, well, she just
wants her daughter to be like a single mom or she just wants,

(41:36):
you know, there's people, there is people nowadays who prefer to
have that arrangement where theychoose to be single mums and
they, they, they want to have kids and they're not in a
relationship. So they choose to go down that
road. So you could argue that's what
the mother was hinting at, the mall specifically said.
Who's going to want to be with you?

(41:58):
Yeah, but that's that's the thing.
Yeah, Yeah, that's the thing. And I was like, hold on, hold
on, you can't. Have a but you said if I want
her to be with. Anyone.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it makes no sense. Yeah, her mom, just as a
character makes no sense in general.
Right. Oh God, I'm so glad you got to
talk about the mom. What were some of your favorite

(42:20):
moments between these two, the male lead and the female lead?
One of my favorites. I actually, these are the things
I actually have a couple of notes on.
So I'm going to pull up my notesfor this, which are very few.
First of all, in episode 5. Okay, back to the beginning.
Yeah, in episode 5, she calls him out to go and have wantons,

(42:45):
right? And they're having wantons.
And they're having this conversation about how she very
quickly tells him that his stepdad has told her about his
mom and the whole situation withhis mom.
And I just liked that moment in general because I feel like it's
a very open communication back and forth very quickly.

(43:07):
The fact that she's like, look, I know this, this is what
happens. And it's the fact that he
doesn't necessarily like what she's saying, but he still kind
of listens. And you know, there's open
dialogue just anytime these two were talking, but this one
specifically. And then I think later on, one
of my all time favorite scenes in the show all together is

(43:31):
much, much later on. And it's referring the thing
they have the conversation of she's saying, how is this
relationship going to work? I am much older than you.
We are in different places and, you know, he says we can we can
make it work. And she says to him, well,
something along the lines of what about kids?

(43:53):
I may not be able to have kids. And I'm at an age where.
So it's that whole kids conversation that they have much
later on in the drama, right? And he's like, I've never even
thought about kids, but I do know that I love you.
So I really like that open dialogue and that whole
conversation because a lot of people forgo the kids

(44:17):
conversation and then they kind of like get into a relationship
and they're like, oh, you don't want kids, but I want kids,
right? Then they're like married and
people are like, well, crap. Because now we buy for different
things out of life. It's so important to have these
big conversations. Yeah, yeah, especially.

(44:39):
If you're serious about somebody, and that one happens
in episode 34 and I have the speech that he gave to her, I
loved it, he says. Do you know what kind of people
are the dumbest in this world? The kind that always goes after
those small complimentary gifts?The one I like is Liangyuan, not
the child born to Liangyuan. The only thing I can be sure of

(45:03):
now is that I want to be with you every single day from now
on. The route to everything is you.
Only if I have you does it make sense.
The rest are complimentary gifts.
If I have it, I have it. If I don't, I haven't lost
anything either. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know what
it reminds me of? It's that whole convert.

(45:24):
This is so out of left field, but it kind of reminds me of
this. It's that whole conversation.
There was a trend on TikTok going around of partners sitting
down and being like, if I was pregnant and the doctor said
you, I was unconscious, I couldn't make decisions and you

(45:44):
had to pick me or the baby, who would you pick?
And people were, like, shocked that partners were picking their
partners over the babies, right?Yeah.
It's like, it's that whole conversation.
And people were like, this is that situations in a sense of of
course he's going to pick her right now because that's what he

(46:06):
wants. Like he's not thinking about
kids. It's not crossed his mind.
It's not something that he necessarily wants out of life
either. At least that's what I got from
the conversation. Like he wants to be in a
relationship with her and then if they have kids later on, they
have kids if they he. Said if it happens, it happens
if not. Exactly.

(46:27):
And that's, I think, the mentality that is the healthiest
to have with such things. Also it showed how young he was.
Yeah, he. Showed how young he was.
She asked him did you have you ever thought about having kids?
And he said no. It's never even crossed my mind.
Yeah. He's 22 or 23 of.
Course he hasn't thought about kids.

(46:49):
Fucking course he's never thought about having kids.
But she's 32 and I think this iswhen age gaps really, really
show. I've always said, right, I have
always said a 31 year old with a42 year old, it's a really big
age gap. It's 11 years, right?
But at the same time it isn't because you are in similar, I

(47:13):
say you've done a lot of your growing that you would have done
in your 20s, right? And yes, in your 30s you still
are definitely not going to haveyour shit together like the
third. People say the 30s are the new
20s and I agree. Like you have more money and you
have technically more independence, more and a frontal
life. Yeah, and a frontal lobe as

(47:34):
well. Right?
But what I mean is someone date someone in their 30s.
Dating someone in their 20s is ahuge age difference, not the age
gap itself. The age gap is the same.
It's the stage of life you're in.
It's the amount of growing and development you've done as a
person. So I think in that scene, he

(47:57):
definitely did show his age, butalso in the conversation that he
had with her, in the words that he was saying, I think he also
showed his maturity and he was like, I've never thought about
it, but it's not like I necessarily want them.
And what I do know in this instance is that I want you and
I want to be with you. So right now I want to be in a

(48:20):
relationship with you. If we do get to that bridge,
we'll cross it when we get there.
And I think that's like a healthy approach to to sort of
have so that that was like one of my favorite scenes of the
whole show because I feel like it was just very good
communication. And it's a prime example of him
showing his age by saying, you know, yeah, I never thought.

(48:44):
About it. But him also.
After. Ten years exactly, but him also
showing his maturity in the way and what he replied afterwards,
I think. I agree completely.
Beautiful, beautiful scene. I love the way you talked about
it and there's a lot of like little scenes that I it made me

(49:06):
gasp and kick my feet and excited to see the progression
of them and to see her also her walls just kind of breakdown as
the show progressed. And one of those scenes was in
episode 11 where at this point there's nothing happened.
There's not even a whiff of, like, romance.

(49:27):
I'm definitely totally in love with her, but she is.
There's nothing like she hasn't done anything.
He hasn't done anything. And he goes, if I can
successfully transition from badminton to tennis and stay on
the team, the two of us will go on a date.
I had to pause the show the way that I gasped.
I started choking on my own spin.

(49:49):
It's that very classic Wooley rizz.
It's very Rouley rizz. And you, this is a common theme
with every single character thisman plays is that he has this
rizz and this charisma and this like toe the line between cocky

(50:10):
and confidence. He has this confidence about him
that makes his characters so good and so like, Oh my God,
yes. Because that would get me
because that would get me exactly like I understand her
better because of the the way that it plays out in the show
and the way that he kind of dials it up slowly right over

(50:34):
the course of the show. And he springs little things on
her like that, like, oh, we're going to go on a date if I get
on the team and I'm like. We are little boy.
Yeah. Yeah, it's very much a Woo Lai
thing and I'm like, I love it. I I love it because it just
works for him. It really does just work for him

(50:56):
and his characters in general. I think there was a bus scene in
episode 13, which I know a lot of people really like bus
scenes. This one worked for me where
it's a crowded bus and he's likeholding back the crowd from like
crushing her, that sort of thing.
Every time. Every time works, every time it.

(51:18):
Works every time. I'm going through like, the
bigger like, moments. So episode 15, girl, he shuts
the cab door because she's aboutto leave from like, some get
together. Yeah, he shuts the cab door
before she gets in and he says I'll pick you up tomorrow
morning and reminds her about their date promise when he made

(51:41):
the transition to tennis. Because now he's he broke the
coach's serve and he's on the team, He's the captain.
And I just haven't all caps. The rizz, It's the rizz, It's
the rizz. And you know what?
I know you haven't watched it, but think about this Rizz but
times it by 10 and that's a midst a snowstorm of Oh my.

(52:04):
God yeah, I've left up on episode 5 of Amidst the
Snowstorm of Love. I don't think I've hit the peak
RIS yet in that show. It's just constant.
It's constant, constant and. But this episode is like such a
big turning point in their relationship because tell me why
I was swooning. He's so excited for their date.

(52:27):
He gets up at 7:00 AM, gets ready, he's doing exercises,
checking on his chest muscles like before he heads out.
He's like trying to like hype himself up.
It's adorable. Then they go on the zoo date, A
zoo date. How adorable.
Then the confession scene. The confession scene.

(52:48):
I had this whole speech here. I don't know if I don't know if
I want to read it all, but I it just goes to show how much she
inspires him. He's talking about how there are
differences between badminton and tennis and how the ball has
to touch the ground in tennis. He says for tennis, every shot
must touch the ground. Because of that, it took me a

(53:10):
long time to get used to it. But when I thought about it
later, it's very similar to me. Since I met you, my heart
started touching the ground. I feel like I also need to touch
the ground and rebound. And I'm like, stop right there.
Just stop. Just stop.
It's it's just yeah, yeah, he. Calls her a ray of light shining

(53:30):
on me. I don't want to disappoint you.
I want to stand upright by your side.
That day when we talked about why we wanted to play tennis, he
said that you wanted the championship.
I'll win that for you. And then he says I like you.
I seriously really like you, Liliana.
Tell me why this bitch rejects him.

(53:51):
She rejects. This man, I think at that point,
at that point, she's just not ready.
She's just not ready for it. Yeah, yeah.
She flat out rejects him. She flat out, she calls it an
improper relationship, Yeah, Says she can't handle the burden
of his life and feelings. It's always been a manager

(54:12):
athlete relationship. Gives him back the little heart
plushie he wanted the claw machine for her.
Like he looks crestfallen. He really does he.
I don't know how she drove off. She left him there.
She left his ass there in the parking garage.
I don't know how she did that. I don't know either.

(54:32):
I don't know how she left him there.
He was devastated. The thing is right, you can see
where she's coming from as well.100%.
And that's why I think this showis so good because although
you're heartbroken for him and you're also saying how dare she,
on the other hand, you're like, Oh my God, I understand you.

(54:56):
Because first of all, she is in her 30s.
She is very much focused on her career right now.
And that means she does want to keep that professional
relationship, although this hasn't been a very straight
professional relationship for a good while, right?
But in her head she's just trying to keep that straight

(55:19):
still, right? Also, she has her mum being like
never get in a relationship, never do that in the back of her
mind. So we have that going and in
general, I just don't think she is ready for that relationship
yet, which is, and it's also showing of the age of how she in

(55:43):
her 30s is way more careful. She's like, no, I need to think
about things. I need to sit on things.
Whereas him as like a 22 year old is very impulsive.
And it's like, no, I know, I know I want this and I know I
want to be in a relationship with you.
So he's just much more assured of his feelings and what he
wants than she is at that point.And they're just not quite on

(56:04):
the same, like, on the same spotin that moment in time.
So it's one of those scenes where, yes, you feel completely
heartbroken for him. And you're just like, Oh my God,
how dare she. But also you also look at her
and it's like, I understand you so.
So yeah. And there's one thing that the
show does, doesn't necessarily do, but she does have a suitor

(56:27):
at the beginning of the show whowas sort of like a coworker who
lives in another city, I think, like Shanghai or something like
that. Yeah.
He was a little bit older than her and he was very successful
in Y Space Sports, which is the company that's kicking around
throughout the show. And he was a Dick.

(56:49):
Like he suddenly was like, why don't we get married?
One of those that's like they don't have a relationship.
It's like a situation ship and he's like, why don't we get
married? We're at the proper age and she
was having troubles at work. He was like, why don't you,
since you're going to get fired anyway, why don't you just quit

(57:10):
and be my little stay at home mother?
And she was like, no, fuck you and fuck your mom.
And it was like a wonderful moment.
And then of course, Wooley's character witnesses this whole
blowout at the company. Why space and supports her.
But you compare that guy to Wooley's character and you can

(57:31):
kind of see why she's a little hesitant.
And the show doesn't do this explicitly.
They don't compare these two guys overtly, but that's where
we're. That's the starting point.
That was her last. Relationship quote UN quote.
Yeah, yeah. The bar is on the floor, as
people say. Yes, someone who really wanted
to, you know, was a sexist and wanted to clip her wings, so to

(57:57):
speak, because because she was acareer driven woman and didn't
want that life for herself, right.
Never mind that she couldn't have kids.
They never got to that point where she told them, hey, I
can't even have kids. So, like, I don't know what
you're gonna do about that, but he just had all these
expectations for her to be a homemaker.

(58:19):
Yeah. And she was like, you know what?
No, absolutely. Not.
Yeah, and his argument was you got something better.
You got something better to do. You got a better plan in mind.
It was so condescending. And Oh my God, that whole
conversation was wild in those beginning episodes.
But. So bad.
Yeah, yeah. But then you see her and you see

(58:40):
that power imbalance between heras a manager and him as an
athlete, and you know, she's just like, you know what?
No. We're not going down.
Yeah. Yeah.
So you can understand where she's coming from, I think.
But it's hard because Wooley, Ohmy God, my heart broke.
My heart broke his face when he says, are you rejecting me?

(59:04):
Oh my God, I don't know how she handled it.
I don't know how she drove off. I would have been like, come,
I'll like drop you off or something because damn, that's
cold. That's cold.
Also in episode 21, we have to talk about this.
They have sex. The make out scene.
Oh. My God.

(59:26):
Girl, almost one hot. Yeah, one hot make out scene.
This was hot. I wasn't expecting it at all.
This was her just giving in to her.
She was like fucking this, I'm doing it.
This was so out of left field. I mean, I wasn't out of left
field because earlier he had come over to her house.

(59:47):
He cooked her dinner because shegot a migraine.
And he was like, oh, I'll come over.
She's trying to find investors for the club to save it.
I think they were playing video games.
And he takes a pic of her smiling.
It's like a very flirty thing where she's like, delete it, I
look gross. And he drops a silver necklace

(01:00:08):
in front of her. Do you remember this?
I haven't seen a custom necklacereveal like that since 2011.
I swear to God I started screaming.
Screaming because he. Wrapped the number in a midst so
storm of love I'm sensing a patch.
And now that I'm talking about this.

(01:00:29):
Oh my God, so he's playing from the same playbook then, if he
does it in a midst of snow? Summer of Love.
But anyway, at the end of this episode, there's like the hazing
ritual at her ex's Sports Club. He takes her lipstick and writes
her name on the bulletin of outstanding graduates from her

(01:00:51):
college. From her ex college because she
got kicked out, expelled by her own ex.
Another dirty ex. Right.
Yeah, another ratty ex. She has a track with men.
Yeah, she's a horrible tracker. When does she doesn't want a
relationship? I know she's like 22 year old
say less. No, no, no.
But she's so overcome by emotionthat she kisses him on the cheek

(01:01:16):
and he's so surprised and hot for her that he just grabs her
head and full on kisses her and then cut to they're having sex
again screaming. I I was like screaming at 2:00
AM Liliana. So good.
Thoughts. I loved it.
Like, it was like it was a proper, proper scene.

(01:01:36):
There was none of this. It was hot and it was unexpected
from a Chinese drama in general.And I remember clearly when I
first watched this scene, I was like, Oh my God, this is really
happening, like there. And it was, I don't know.
I loved it. I really, really liked how it
was shot. I like the fact that it felt

(01:01:57):
like this damn bursting, right? This thing that had been
building, this tension that had been building between them for
20 odd episodes was just like boom and it burst and you get
this scene and it just worked perfectly I think.
I agree. I agree.

(01:02:17):
So then. She rejects him again.
Morning. She regrets.
She rejects. Him again.
The next morning she's like, we were drunk, I made a mistake,
yadda yadda. She starts spewing all this
nonsense and he's like. Again, are you kidding me now?
Oh my God. He cuts her off, blocks her on

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WeChat, all the things, and she starts panicking.
She does. She starts panicking.
I'm like, good, good panic. You should be yeah, you should
be worried. 28 though I like when he says, and I have just
this paraphrase, he says, isn't the best love equal?
I'm trying my hardest to level up to you.

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And I love that concept because they return to it later, several
episodes later when he's in the hospital for his knee surgery.
Yeah. Because he played through, like,
a torn meniscus or something like that.
Yeah. She's realized that
relationships are not about eachperson giving 5050 and it being

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equal. Sometimes if the other person is
at 1%, then she. She's got to give 99.
It's going to give 99%. She'll show up in in the way
that they need. This is one of my favorite
things about this show because Ithink when it's a conversation
that kind of gets overlooked a lot of the time is that people

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just think, Oh no, everything should be 5050 and whatnot. 5050
looks different for different people on different days.
Like sometimes I've only got 10%in me, so my partner's like
today I'll give, I will put in the 90%.
Other days he's going to have 5%and I'm going to step up and

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give him the 95%. Like that's what a relationship
looks like. That's what supporting each
other looks like. Every day is going to be
different. And every day, you know, you're
just going to have to step up towhatever each of you need on
that particular day and give of each other.
And I loved that concept in thisdrama.

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It's the fact that 5050 doesn't,it's not always equal either
because like 5050 doesn't mean 5050.
So I loved that aspect of the show and like that specific
conversation that they talk about as well.
I agree. It was really important and I

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think something that they both had to learn.
And in that moment, she kind of voices it's realization for him
because he was feeling really low, really down on himself,
feeling sorry for himself, didn't want her around when he
was at his lowest. And she was like, well, too bad,
tough I'm. Going to be here.

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I'm going to be here. Yeah.
So it was important. I love the match between him and
the Japanese guy that he wins and then he, like, fucks up with
his knee. It was funny though to see him
acting through the knee injury because you would have thought
he took a cannonball to the leg.It was.

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It was like, Oh my God, I've never seen such acting.
Yeah, like. He was busting veins in his neck
and stuff and I was like, what the?
Fuck is happening? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't know. I've never had an injury like
that, so I don't know what it's like, but.
I was like, I think this is too much to be quite honest with

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you, but OK. They they end up telling you
it's a medial meniscus, injury to the medial meniscus and also
conjoined damage to the medial collateral ligament.
Fortunately, the anterior fruciate ligament is fine.
Otherwise he'd have to say goodbye to sports.
I don't know what all that means, but I'll tell you this.
My mom has had meniscus surgery because she had tear in her

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meniscus. She was not acting like all
that. She also had a knee replacement
surgery a few years ago. She was acting like all that a
little bit because they replacedher entire knee with a bionic
knee. Yeah, I was.
Very confused by the reaction that he was having toward the

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injury and the pain level that he was at.
So maybe if you're an athlete and you've had this injury or
something similar, you can chimein and be like, yeah, absolutely
his reaction was warranted or that acting was accurate.
I personally think he was overacting in that portion of

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the show, especially the. Recovery.
Yeah. I never even thought about it if
I'm being honest. OK, maybe it's because I had a
family member have such surgeries and an entire knee
replacement that I'm like, all right, let's simmer down.
It is painful, sure, but to thatlevel he's turning red.

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Yeah, I don't know if it's because maybe because it was
damaged and then he went and kept playing on it and damaged
it even further. So I don't know if maybe that's
why. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't.
Know like when it comes to that sort of stuff, I just throw it
out the window like it doesn't even occur to me because they're

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going to over dramatize everything anyway.
True. That's just how it is, because
then it's comeback is so much better, isn't it so.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Sports injuries.
They're they're always going to amp it them.
So the last thing that I guess Ikind of want to talk about is
her boss. Oh my God.

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I guess you don't want to talk about this guy because.
No, we can. We absolutely can.
He was just such. Oh my God.
At the beginning he was such a piece of work.
A piece of work. He was just a piece of shit.
He was a horrible boss to her. He's so volatile and.

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Terrible parent. Terrible parent, abusive to her
in the workplace, highly unprofessional, just tyrannical.
2 faced machismo sexist completely passing her over for
promotions for upward mobility within the company because he
wanted her where she was at. She was doing such a good job,

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she was just indispensable in her position as his assistant.
And I was like, she, it seems like she's doing the work of the
entire marketing department. So I don't understand why you
wouldn't just move her out to that department anyway.
Yeah, it's because she made him look good.
She made his department look good.
And that's all he it was. I mean, that's literally all it

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was. His terrible father, terrible
husband. I.
He was cheating on his wife. I wish he kind of amped that up
that he was full on cheating on his wife.
But I love the fact that his wife was like, I'm done with
this shit and I'm I'm going to take you for everything that
you're worth. I'm like, I'm here for this.
Because when then bad stuff starts happening to him and

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everything starts going downhillfor him, him, I like, pile it
on, keep it piling, keep it piling, keep it going.
He deserves more, Yeah. Do you think his redemption arc
was done well? No, I, I guess yes, because you
know, he's alone. Well, no, he's not alone because
I think he had some young hot girlfriend at the end of the

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show that they don't they don't show her face.
She has no lines, but she was there in one frame.
I just think that his punishmentwas that he didn't have the
family, He didn't have any loyalty anymore, which was so
important to him. He had nothing left, did he?

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He. Just had the job.
That was his number one priority, Yeah, when he was
taking the meeting with them so that they could get the wild
card from Y space, that was the biggest low because he had no
control over who got the wild. Card the wild card.

(01:10:39):
Yeah, yeah. At that point, he was just
taking it for, like, on a power trip, just a power trip over
them. And at the end of the meeting,
after scolding them, he was like, and by the way, I don't
even have what you want. Yeah.
And that's when she loses it finally, and berates him and

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says, I've had enough of your hypocritical speeches.
Can you stop viewing yourself with a filter?
All these years? You've always been egoistic with
your family and in the workplaceand granted favors and kindness
to your staff. Like an emperor, you only think
of maintaining your personal integrity.
Who gives you the right to demand infinite loyalty from us?
You can trick others today, let me tell you, you'll face

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retribution. And then she was like, never
mind. You've already faced
retribution. Yeah, we're done.
Tap out. We're done.
Yeah, because she kept being friendly with like, cordial with
him throughout the show so that she didn't burn any bridges.
But up to a certain point, I'm like, girl, I'll just let that
shit go because that man. Is ain't nothing worth it?

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Dirty, yeah. Crusty.
So I didn't know if you had any any other thoughts about some
side characters like the sister,the half sister?
No, I don't think so. I don't think I have.
Oh, I will say I did quite like the fact that we got to see
various different types of relationships in the show, like

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romantic relationships. So we had like the nutritionist
with the alcoholic, alcoholic. Yes.
So that's like a whole completely different
relationship right there. And I didn't think that was
going to work, but it really did.
It kind of really did. And I loved her friendship with

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our female lead. I felt like the two of them as
friends just worked really well.And then we had like the puppy
love that then got married so quickly.
So the. After four months, After four
months they were married. Oh, I would not be on their side
either. Yeah, yeah.

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I would be like, I have shoes that have lasted longer than
your relationship, so no. Yeah, so it was wild to be to
see, but I liked that there was all of these different
relationships that we could kindof see throughout the show.
I loved the found family at the Tennis Club and how like they
started off as people that really did were not going to

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accept each other, especially like Jiao Jiao and Sanchuan.
Those two become like so close as friends, they truly become
brothers to each other. But at the beginning they are
just so dead set against each other because obviously like
Jiao Jiao is top of the club andwhatnot.
And here comes this guy who is going to take over whatever it

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may be. So I I really liked how that
found family aspect of. It was five guys.
Yeah, together, as you know, I really like them.
And then just a little shout outto the stepdad because I really
liked him as a character. It's Noodle Dad.
It is Noodle Dad. It is Noodle.

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He makes such like good dad character.
He does he. Really does.
He really does. I recently watched him in a show
where he's not a good character,he's a bad character and I was
like, I can't see him as a bad character.
So I really liked him and how hegave really, really good advice.

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He gave such good advice constantly.
And, you know, he really cared for Santuan, and he really
brought Santuan back down to where he needed to be when, you
know, he kind of went off the rails a little bit.
So, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
And the moment when Santuan calls him dad.

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Oh my God, yes, yes, I love that.
Yeah, I loved it. Loved it.
So emotional. I love that.
I fully thought that he was going to be the Stringer for the
club but then he never does. He just keeps up with the wig
business. And he's quite happy with it.

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And he's happy with it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's good. It's all good things really.
Heart warming show and some frustrating characters as you
can tell, but really solid performances from the the
central couple and a nice Nuna romance.

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It is, it is, it is a good overall Nuna romance which we
don't get very often nowadays. So it is nice when they come
along and they are this good andthis well done in general.
All right. Well, thank you Liliana for
coming on for one more Tebagh review.

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Where can people find you online?
So it's T and Soju all one word on TikTok, Instagram, and then
you can find T and Soju podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and
wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks again, Liliana.
Thank you for having me, it's always a blast.
Yes, it is always a blast. We finally did the Leo Wu drama.

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We did we. Were promised.
Last we did. Anyway, that's been our show.
I'm Jessica and this has been the Tiba Ki Rambles podcast.