The Host (Movie) / Ep. 79

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(00:19):
I'm Jessica and this is Teba K Rambles, where a couple of
friends review Korean dramas. Except we are back for another
spooky season, Episode A, and I am joined by Jessie and Natalia
from the Certified Nunes podcast.
How are you guys? Pretty good, pretty good, you
know. It's our favorite.

(00:39):
Season. It's my well, it's not my
favorite season, but I am an advocate, a huge advocate for
spooky season. Especially when I realized that
not all of the K drama girlies are into spooky season.
No, no they're not. Many are not.
Many do not see the joy. No spooky season like we do.
I was like, y'all don't smell the pumpkin spice and the blood

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in the air. Like it's amazing.
And everyone was like, I'll I want my romantic drama.
And I was like, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no.
No, you can get romance anytime but.
Yeah, OK, let us have this. Listen, at least put a little
bit of murder in it. Goes.
To zombies, we're all. Exactly, exactly.

(01:24):
So I was telling you guys beforewe got on that I am a huge fan
of certified Nunes. I've been listening for a long
time. It's been a long time coming.
I've wanted you guys to come on Tipach and I was like, let's pop
this cherry right now. Like let's let's have you guys
come on for a scoopy season for the perfect time, for the
perfect time for the perfect time.

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And I had you guys come on for Bong Joon Ho's the host, which
is maybe an unusual poll becauseI feel like maybe other Bong
Joon Ho movies get a lot of attention nowadays.
But I wanted to harken back to atrue monster movie for the
season. So before we get into it, maybe
it's just share what you guys are currently watching.

(02:06):
I know you guys are watching a lot.
I just, I just listened to you're currently watching
episode, but maybe just a condensed version of what you're
currently watching. Maybe something you want to
recommend to listeners? To watch.
Well, Jesse knows this because she heard I discussed it
slightly. I recently started the memorist,

(02:28):
did not know what genre the memorist was.
I just so funny because I was like, yeah, OK, it's been on my
list for a while. Enjoying the real thriller
situation happening. Big fan of that.
But if for all those the, you know, the non spooky season
girlies, I'm also watching monster next door and it is the

(02:52):
most saccharine, sweet, lovely show that I've ever seen in my
life. It's a Gaga La La for all of
you. You know it's gay cause wasn't
if you, anyone who's hearing me for the first time, if you come
over to the noodles at some point, you'll know I'm I, I know
a lot about a certain sub genre of fiction that I've been in the

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Yowie life for a while. So it's really good.
It's a cute show. Cute show.
Nice. Well, I have been in the holiday
season and watching a lot of horror.
That's all I've been doing. I'm actually doing this
challenge where I'm trying to watch 100 horror movies that
finishes out at the end of the month that I started back in the

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beginning of August. I'm very close to finishing
though. I'm like on 85 I think right now
so. What's your pace like?
Well, at work I got a little like a time where I was doing
like one specific project. So I was able to watch a couple
of movies, but like I can do a couple of movies every night,

(03:58):
especially with like horror, it's always like usually horror
is always like an hour and a half long.
So it's like essentially like 2Kdrama episodes, which is easy
for most people. So it's really nothing, you
know, and I watch like all typesof horror.
So it's kind of like easy just to be like, OK, to be tell me
what you want me to watch and I'll watch it.

(04:19):
So that's. What I put up the old boot up
the old shutter app and be. Like right And just like this
seems good. Yeah, that's a lot of movies.
I I feel like I watch a lot of movies.
But when you said, you said a few episodes back it was
uncertified Nunes that you were doing this challenge and I was
like, did I hear that right? Because I shit ton of movies.

(04:40):
I know it's like. Crazy.
I've watched 190 movies in the entire year.
Yeah, that's it. That's not bad.
Yeah. So when you said?
Since August you were gunning for 100 and. 4.
Movies. I was like, the fuck she's
saying. It like it does.
It does help that both Jesse andI can like watch stuff at work.

(05:01):
Yeah, sometimes, yeah. Facing at work and stuff so
like. That's it was doing something
where it was like literally, I'mjust like making the same thing
over and over and I was like, OK, I can like sit here and
watch every fan. Footage on TV.
Yeah, so it was a little bit easy, especially now cuz like
now my evenings are like packed with things and I'm like oh OK,

(05:22):
I've got to slow down on this challenge but.
But hey, you've made such a good.
Look yeah like I can be leisurely in October for this
like last 15 ish movie so. It works out good.
That's enough. You're.
Gonna breathe. That's like a week of work.
It's nothing. You're watching 2 movies a day.
You're gonna hit it in no time. You're.
Five. You're 5.
Well, I am so glad that you guysare here.

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I'm just stoked really. But anyway, before we get into
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Yeah, are. Quiet, polite little clouts in
the background like this is so cute.
Yeah, no one stopped for me whenthey did the Patreon shout out.

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That is so cute. So we're going to get into it.
The host. I'll read the IMTV synopsis.
A monster emerges from Soul's Han River and begins attacking
people. One victim's loving family does
what it can to rescue her from its clutches.
And that's it. That's all you need to know if
that's those that you know. What that pretty much like sums
up, literally it does sums up basically what you need to know

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if you're deciding if you're going to start the movie because
it's like that's what it will deliver.
You there's a monster in the HanRiver.
It's like someone stopping someone on the street when an
emergency happens. Like, hey, what's going on?
There's a monster coming out of the Han River.
That's literally what the sign. Literally.
It's, it's brief, it's succinct,it gives you, it's like the
first. 5 minutes, yeah. This movie was released July

(07:35):
27th, 2006. Yes, you heard that right, mid
2000s. It premiered at CON that year as
well. It's two hours long.
It is directed by Pong Joon Ho, as I said at the top.
So what hasn't he direct? This was actually his third
feature film ever. He's directed Memories of

(07:56):
Murder, obviously, the host mother from 2009, Snowpiercer,
Okcha, and Parasite. He's got one more coming out I
think this year in time for Oscar season with Oh.
It's the one when Robert. Pattinson, I think, is in it.
Mickey. 17. Yeah, it looks good.
It looks good, actually. It looks unhinged.

(08:18):
I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm.
Pumped. They actually pushed the release
date on that. It was supposed to be I think
earlier in the year. And then they scrapped the
release date altogether and I was like, this shit better come
out this year. I was like they.
Better. Like, yeah, I'll sit down for
anything that like bong and hoe,thanks.
But anything that has Robert. Pat no, our Pats is.

(08:38):
Hinge little weirdo. Yes.
Please, I actually used to live in the town where he filmed the
lighthouse. No, you.
Didn't I Did. I lived in Halifax, which is
where it was filmed, and this isjust a fun little aside that has
nothing to do with this. But one day I was walking home
from the grocery store and I sawI saw a gentleman.
And then I texted my husband. I was like, man, I just saw a

(09:00):
homeless man that looked exactlylike Willem Dafoe.
No, like he looked exactly like Willem Dafoe.
And my husband was like, honey, I would that was Willem Dafoe.
I was like, oh shit, you're like.
How about I fall out of this chair right now because you saw
Willem Dafoe just casually walking?
Around I was just walking home from like the fancy.

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I have a bunch of allergies, thefancy grocery store and I was
like, damn, like that's homelessbecause like he was in like the
full grizzled, like he was in the lighthouse.
Like a he looked like a lighthouse keeper from the,
yeah, turn of the century, you know?
Oh my God. Rough.
You know, I was just like, man, like so weird.
Like, oh, what a doppelganger. He, he he like just going about
my business like I. Literally have.

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I mean, this is such a tangent, but I say the most stupidest
line from the lighthouse and it's people want to say because
it says so much about me go. But it's this is a safe.
Space. Oh, OK.
Thank you. So first of all, The Lighthouse
is a movie by Robert Eggerts. It's completely in black and
white. I think the aspect ratio is like

(10:06):
3-2, like basically a square. Yeah, yeah.
And so if that gives any contextand it's a psychological
thriller, basically I say and you're farts because of the lie
in that movie of them arguing back and forth like an old
married. Couple it's a good movie.

(10:27):
It's not like it's completely unrelated to home discussion
today. Completely unrelated to watch it
everywhere. I think it's a good movie.
It is. The Lighthouse is a it's a good
movie. It's very open to
interpretation. I thought it was weird and cool,
but a lot of people might not. I appreciate it.
You know what? Just.

(10:48):
Nothing. Just give it a chance.
Yes, yeah. I mean, yeah.
But this is an opportunity to maybe watch something outside of
your genre. Yeah.
Learn to love it. It's a.
Beautiful feature. The host.
The host, you wouldn't think they would go together.
But we just made it. But we just.
Did you know what? I think they could, yeah.

(11:09):
I love it. Anyways, the host back on the
host. You guys are I'm assuming have
seen some bung Chun ho movies. Did you watch the Oscar?
The 2019 Oscars win Bung Chun HoGod.
Parasite. Yeah, of course we've.
Seen no the Oscars when he won and he was telling people to

(11:30):
watch subtitles and watch Sanders horizons.
I was like, I was almost in tears.
Yeah. So yeah.
Bong Chun Ho is a household namein Korea, and he's done some
amazing movies. Some of them, like Oak Chao, you
can watch right now on Netflix. It's really easy to find
Snowpiercers almost entirely in English.
It has. Chris Evans stars in it.

(11:51):
Snowpiercers is such a good movie.
Like yes, it's you do not see anything coming that happens in
the the movie Snow Piercer. No, I haven't seen the TV show
they made about it but. Yeah, there was a spin off TV
show which I haven't watched either but I hear it's.
So the movie is incredible. The movie though, 10 out of 10
there's so I think he doesn't have like he just doesn't miss.

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So anyway, he directed the host.He also wrote it alongside Ha
Wenjin and Peck Chill Hyun and here's our cast.
So we've got some Congo. I mean, you throw a rock, you're
gonna hit some Congo in what? You know, if you turn on a large
portion of Bung and Hoes movies,you will see that's true.

(12:35):
Kango in it. They're kind of they love to
work. Together, they love to work
together. They are frequent collaborators
and it's almost like a Leo Scorsese type of deal.
They go hand in hand. You've also got Pyonghi Bong
playing the father or the, you know, grandfather, depending on
how you look at it. In the movie, you have Pacquia
playing PAC Namil what? The brother of Song Congo's

(12:58):
character. You have Beduna.
Yes, that Beduna we. Love, love.
We're big. We're like a little obsessed
with it. Oh my.
Gosh, just like. Tiny lot just.
A little. Bit OK, I'm gonna join the fan
club that you guys have already started because I feel like it's
only fan club sometimes for Beduna.
She's so cool. She's like the coolest human

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alive. So cool.
I know, I know. Yeah, we covered Stranger Season
1 earlier in this year and I wasfangirling again when we were
talking about her filmography and she's so good in that show.
So Beit Dune is in this, and then we have Kolosong playing
Pakyong. So she is the child in the

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movie. I know.
She's so little. She's so really old.
Like this is this is like the the question I always ask every
time I'm like, but I've seen heras an adult in things.
Oh. No.
Oh, no, no. No, wait.
Yeah. And then we have Scott Wilson as
Douglas and Paul Lazar as an American, unnamed American

(14:02):
doctor. These two are actually very good
actor, like Paul Lazar was in Silence of the Lambs, for
instance. And then Scott Wilson, I know
him from The Walking Dead. He's Herschel, and he's been in
other things too. He's just a great actor.
That's what I know him from. Too.
Oh, great. Oh, OK, good.

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I don't, I don't really watch that many like Western things.
It's like outside of like HBO. So I'm just like, yeah.
It's Herschel. Hey.
You're white guy in Herschel. Yeah.
So that is pretty much our cast and that we've come to the end
of that. So what did you guys think of
the host? I don't believe this is your

(14:44):
first time watching it, but justgive me your general thoughts on
how you feel about this 06 gem. First off, straight off, I own
it on DVD, so I think that says.Every.
You know, it's pretty high. It is.
It is such a good, solid monstermovie.

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It also has one of the most accurate depictions of just a
random American in a crisis thatI've ever seen.
From the scene where the monsterfirst emerges.
I was like, that, that's accurate.
The one the one American dude, Iwas like.
Yes. It's just a good movie, like
it's just a solid fun movie to watch.

(15:28):
Like it's not, it's not too goryand it's not really that scary.
So I think like a lot of people who pop like who might, you
know, be a little bit less into the spooky things, I don't think
they'd have too much of A. Problem.
That's true. This is like really approachable
for most people I think. I absolutely love it.
It's one of my favorite Korean movies.

(15:49):
I also am a very big creature feature person, so like it's
right up my alley, like a love monster.
So it's just always had a special place in my heart and it
can just like watch it over and over, like and I have over and
over so. And I'll do it again.
And I'll do it again. Next year, Yeah.

(16:10):
This is maybe my second or thirdtime watching the movie and I
forgot how funny it was. Yeah.
It's like sort of like a lot of comedy.
Like dry humor, like it's not like a like over the top, like
it's not like the sitcom. Bumbling idiots.
Yeah. Like, it's just like these the
people in this, it's happening. Yeah, they have.

(16:31):
No, like there's no reason why they should be doing any of
this. They are the most I'll equipped
people to be. So.
But aren't we all like, aren't we all those people?
Like that's how we would all be doing.
We're like, oh, there's a creature.
Oh, he's coming after us right now.
What do I do? The focus on I've been throwing
deer cans at it. Is like the person with special

(16:53):
skills like you got Liam Neeson over here just fighting zombies
or what have you. And it's like I am just a
regular person who can't remember how many shotgun shells
I shot. Like you know what I'm saying?
I didn't even make it to the shotgun.
I'm I'm like tripping, like there's no running for me.
Like I'm just like tripping. I don't do cardio like.

(17:16):
Exactly. I'm like, I don't work out OK.
Like, no, really what I would have been doing as soon as like
things were going on in the the water.
I'm from Florida. I'm like peace out, you know?
Bye bye. Let it part.
Of it, I don't need it. I'm just gonna go back to my
car. Wildlife and Fisheries.
Man, like yeah. This doesn't seem like my

(17:37):
problem at the moment. I pay taxes on the.
Thank you. Prayers.
I'm out. Goodbye.
Yeah. I thought this movie was
hysterical and also really fun and heartfelt because this
family has, they're stupid. Like, this is a literally, yeah,
a stupid family with no marketable skills.

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Their skills are really random. If they have a skill, they're on
the bottom rung of society and they're like in over their heads
trying to. It's it's basically like a
kidnapping movie. Kind of.
Yeah. And so how are they gonna when,
when a monster kidnaps somebody in your family, like, how are

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you gonna deal with it when nobody and then nobody?
Believes them. Regular people, yeah.
And. They're they're just idiots.
They're all buffoons. Especially Sonkongwell's
character. Like Sonkongwell.
Plays one of the best buffoons. It's like at one point and
you're just like, is this man brain damned?

(18:42):
That's the dad literally says that in the movie.
He's like, I think. It's just like he just like, but
it's like. Then the dad goes through this
long story about why he's pitiful, but it never actually
gets to the point like that explains anything.
It's just like. But with that you're like that
explains everything. Like.

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He's. OK, just really dumb and inept.
OK, like. But he has heart, you know?
Like, listen, he's not a bad guy.
It's he's just. It's fun because it's like a
dysfunctional family, but they're not like dysfunctional
and like that they hate each other.
Like it's just that they're all like on their own paths of

(19:24):
weirdness and levels of intellect and then they just
like all love each other. And so that's like really like
part of this like whole movie isthat the the family being so go
together because they truly loveeach other as a family. 100
percent, 100% so I definitely recommend this movie just

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because it is a black comedy, you're gonna get a lot of laughs
out of it. You're gonna fall in love with
this stupid ass family trying tosave the girl and this monster.
It's 2006, OK, like the CGI on it maybe at one point was a
really, really good but. Even by today's like.

(20:06):
It's fine by today's standards. Like, it's not.
You're not going to be like, like, you're just like, OK,
yeah, it was 2006. It's 2006.
They were doing, they were doingtheir best, you know?
But I have to say, I've never seen a monster that looks like
this. Yeah, no, very.
Interesting like. Unique like sort of deep sea

(20:26):
creature. It's like deep sea Audrey 2
vibes. Too late.
Yeah, I. Feel like like deep sea mixed
with alien mixed with octopus tentacle beef.
It's got tentacles, it's got teeth, it's got it's got every.
It's got everyone. And it's amphibious.

(20:47):
And yet it's got everything. It kind of.
Looks like an evil tadpole half become a frog.
Yes, yeah. Like that's kind of the vibe of
this shape, like sort of spermatazoid shape with.
Legs, you know, and appendages and.
Yeah. It's just.
You know, sort of like a Predator face opening situation

(21:10):
like 100. Percent the predator face.
Oh my God, you nailed. It they were doing things in the
creature design you know someonewas having.
Fun they were, definitely. Having a lot of fun, you know.
But the movie, like any other Bong Turn home movie, does
comment on certain things. The story that it's based on,
which we'll get to in the fun fact section, is real.

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Like the inciting incident at the beginning of the movie is
real and it features like footage of the Iraqi war and it
has a really bold stance againstlike the American military,
which I I don't think it's that bold in this day and age, but in
the mid 2000. In a bold the reasonable stance

(21:53):
to. Be honest, in the mid 2000s, I
can see why it was maybe bold, why people were like, oh wow, so
he's saying something about it. And I like all of that.
I think it stands the test of time.
And the Korean sensibility is funny too.
And that stands up against a sense of time, too.
Like there's an interview at onepoint, and this isn't a spoiler.

(22:14):
They're interviewing this nurse on the news and there's she's
saying, oh, I'm going to sue them for, for damages or
whatever because he knocked me down when they were trying to
escape and all this stuff. And I got hurt.
And they're like, he's like, I didn't even push her down that
hard. Like they're like, and they
don't show the nurse's face. They just show her from like the
waist down. Yeah.

(22:35):
And they've got her voice like through the voice changer as
well. So it's like, why?
Why hide so much of her identity?
It's a joke. It's like a social joke.
Because they do it how litigiouspeople get.
Yeah, and like everything going on, that's what you're worried.
About it. Literally.
Literally. People are dying.
Bitching about like I got I needto sue them for damages anyway,

(22:58):
so things like that really work in the movie.
So is there anything else general that you would like to
say about the Host before we move into fun facts?
Because there's quite a few fun.Facts about this?
There's many of fun facts, Yeah.No, I think we can just go right
to the fun. Facts.
All right, awesome. Let's get.
Fun it is, it is all right the. Estimated budget of the host was

(23:23):
12 billion one, which is about $9 million.
That's nothing. That's very, very small budget
that's. Not with this cast.
The amount of cast that you have.
Yeah, yeah, like 2. Listen, they were budgeting
wisely. Yes, this one.
They made that money work. The fact that there were so many

(23:43):
CGI shots of the creature full on in the daylight and stuff
like. That interacting with humans
too, like it's a pretty intense.Stunt work as well, yeah.
You know, people being thrown around and stuff.
Yeah, incredible. So $9 million.
It grossed $89.4 million worldwide.
There you go. People.

(24:04):
People really liked this one. Yeah, he hit it out of the.
Park with this. One, are you kidding?
It made $80 million. That's great.
Like yeah, which is the little creature feature.
That is good. It is currently #7 the highest
grossing film in Korea. For reference, there are other
Bong Joon Ho movies on the highest grossing list.

(24:25):
Parasite is number 24, so Piercer 27.
Memories of Murder number 83. It used to be the number one
movie, highest grossing in Koreafor many years.
Caveat, they only started recording these numbers in 2004.
So it's only for the last 20 years, you know, not for the

(24:48):
whole history of Korean cinema. So I don't know why they
wouldn't do that, record that, but whatever.
The Co writer and director of Pong Junho and the designer of
the creature nicknamed it Steve Buscemi because they based it
the design of it on the actors screen persona and the way he
acted in Fargo from 1996. Sure, sure.

(25:10):
That's why forgot it here. That's why, that's why
absolutely, I believe that that is a true statement that they
definitely stand behind. Oh.
My God the Steve Buscemi thing like knocked me over.
I love Steve Buscemi, he's a good guy, but.
Like maybe the eyeball thing, like cuz it's kind of got like

(25:30):
bulging eyes and stuff. I was like, whoa, he can't.
Listen, he's made a good career out of being a weird looking
little dude. Yeah.
And you gotta, you gotta, you know, give him props for that.
Props, man, Don't hurt Steve, All right.
The The event described in the beginning of the film is based
on an actual event in February 2000 at AUS military facility

(25:52):
located in the center of Seoul. AUS military civilian employee
named Mr. McFarland was ordered to dispose of formaldehyde by
dumping it into the sewer systemthat led to the Han River,
despite the objection of a SouthKorean subordinate.
The government attempted to prosecute Mr. McFarland in
court, but the US military refused to hand over custody of

(26:13):
Mr. McFarland. Shocker Shocker.
Later, a South Korean judge convicted Mr. McFarland in
absentia. The public was enraged.
Sort of a empty. Jail.
Yeah, that. Point.
I know he ain't here, but he's guilty.
The public was enraged at the government's inability to
enforce its law on its own soil in O5.

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Nearly five years after the original incident, Mr. McFarlane
was finally found guilty in a court in his presence.
However, he never served the prison sentence.
And of course not. And there have been no sightings
of a mutant creature in the Han River.
Yet no, wasn't. I'm sure there are somewhere.
Maybe it's slow growing. It's it's slow, it's time.

(26:57):
I thought this was hysterical. There was a statue of the
mutated creature from the movie erected in Seoul in around
20/13/2014. It was positioned in a river
park situated between Maple Bridge and One Hill Bridge as in
the movie. News hit just this year that the
city of Seoul is going to removeit.
The sculpture has faced increasing criticism over time

(27:18):
for its perceived lack of aesthetics value, and people
pointed out that it was a waste of money.
People don't get it. They already spent the money.
I'm like, of course they've already spent the money.
Yeah. It's like they've already wasted
air quotes. The money, the money it's got.
Let it live. Just let it listen.
The world needs weird little dudes.
Yeah, OK. And like.

(27:38):
I saw a picture of it and I was like, it's literally the
creature is literally there. You can take a photo with it.
It's for the tourists. That's fun.
It's for the children. Places it's.
For the children, it's for the children.
Leave it. The crew of the film used metal
barrels to make the splash effects whenever the monster
would dive into the water. And I was like, yeah, that makes
sense. Bong Joon Ho felt that in many

(27:59):
monster movies, it's always the scientists or the muscle bound
hero who saves the day. He wanted the heroes of his film
to be everyday people, namely a dysfunctional family.
He took the same approach with his previous film Memories of
Murder, in which the police investigating the serial killer
case were stupid. Critic and longtime friend of
the director Tony Raines mentions this is common in Pong

(28:21):
Chun Ho's films, the idea of a lower to middle class character
who is on a downward track. The director mentions with these
characters he can bring out the humanity in them, whereas the
typical superheroes types don't bring out much real drama.
I agree. I agree.
There's like, I feel like you can really connect more with
just an average idiot because I think most of us are just

(28:41):
average idiots. So like.
Yeah. They just do more things that
you would do too. You're like, Oh yeah, like yeah,
you have to use your surroundings more instead of
just being strength, like strongand stuff so.
Yeah, Why is Scott Wilson in this movie?
That's because Pong. Joon Ho was impressed with his
performance after having seen him in the movie Monster from

(29:03):
2003, among other things. So he approached him by sending
him a copy of the script and a DVD of his previous film,
Memories of Murder, which is an excellent film if you haven't
seen it it. Is.
Really good. The actor later agreed to be in
the film. He's like, he's like
auditioning. He's like, hey, he's like.
Please, it's like a little love letter.
He's. Like, hey, I would do the same
thing. Yeah.

(29:24):
Hi. It's me.
It's a little old. Function, The design of the pod
used to deploy Agent Yellow was specifically designed to
resemble the look of the creature when it is first seen
hanging upside down under the one heel bridge.
And once I read that, I was like, Oh yeah, I'm an idiot.
It totally does look just like that.
Yeah, there were five companies involved to execute and animate

(29:49):
the creature, but the designs ofthe creature were done by Widow
Workshop. Oh hell yeah, Widow.
Workshop they they were doing itback then like.
I was so excited when I read that Widow Workshop, for those
who don't know, did everything for Lord of the Rings.
And that was how that company got its start, by doing

(30:12):
everything for Lord of the Rings.
I'm very happy to say we're a workshop.
And it's because I've watched all of the extended editions and
the the special features on that.
Yes, they say we're a workshop. I don't know, 50 million times.
They're just getting a little advertising for their little,
you know, New Zealand or little Kiwi situation.

(30:34):
They're so. Excited about everything during
that so. Like it's very rare that like a
Jessie knows this. It's very rare that props people
get to like be front and center.So they're just like, look at
this cool. Stuff we've made like exactly.
Moving on to Tony Raines again, he mentions the tradition of
withholding the monster in typical monster movies and the

(30:56):
fact that Bone completely breaksthe tradition.
Bong Joon Ho mentions how much he hates this tradition and
jumped at the chance to show hiscreature fully and early.
This also got the aspect of the film out of the way so the
audience could focus on the impact the creature has on the
family. I love that this film movie just
does that. It's like, here's the first

(31:17):
10-15 minutes of the movie. Here's a creature.
Yeah, no suspense. Yeah, it's time for the mayhem,
my friend. Yes.
See exactly what the creature looks like.
You don't have to like sit here and like guess or just like look
in the shadows. No there full sunlight running
around tossing people, eating people.
It's foul. It's great.

(31:37):
Perfect. Yeah, it's great.
Bong Joon Ho also decided to incorporate footage from the
Iraq war in the film's news footage for two reasons.
First, it allowed the story to progress, but it also gave Bong
Joon Ho the ability to include political satire.
Bong Chin Ho. Political satire, I say.
This and so I'm. Sheared I'm personally.
She's like the first I've ever. Seen it?

(31:59):
Not that jacked, but the. Blonde hair with black roots
showing through on some Congo was a deliberate choice to make
the character appear lazy and not very bright.
Nailed it. I mean, listen.
It worked. My extremely oh, get up, come
on. No, come on man, some of us just

(32:21):
have a lot going on. That fun fact?
Wasn't calling you out. Time, money and eating are two
important motifs Pong Chunho points out in the film.
Which is very true. The monster eats.
The people eats, everybody eats.And then there's a lot of like
money issues. The family had has money issues.
You get to pay for things. They get hustled like at one

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point in the movie. Because of its themes, which can
be seen as critical of the United States, the film was
lauded by North Korean authorities, a rarity for a
South Korean blockbuster film that's.
Like a real like enemy of my enemy situation happening right
here. It's like, oh, oh, yeah, we hate
them too. Yeah, yeah.

(33:07):
All right. Oh, God, that really, that
tickled me. And they were like North Korea
really liked it because of the undercurrent of criticism.
All right, so now that we've gone through all the facts,
which were very, very fun, we'regoing to get into a rating this
movie out of five soldier bottles.
So I don't know who wants to go first, but what would you rate

(33:29):
this movie out of five soldier bottles?
Well, on MTLI have it rated 9 out of 10.
So if that's out of five, that'sa four and a half five if my
math is to be believed. I looked on my letterbox and I
have this at 4 1/2 out of five as well. 4 1/2 out of five.

(33:50):
I will give it four out of five just cause the CGI maybe is a
little dated. You know, I get that.
But it's very fun. It's very, it moves.
Like even though it's two hours long, it totally moves.
It's not boring. It's really funny and it says a
lot. It's definitely satirical.
And this family is just great towatch and it's a great cast and

(34:14):
smart script and everything's great.
No really bad things to say about it.
I'm really choosy with my ratings for movies, especially
if if I look in my letterbox, I really give something five
stars. I don't know why.
My rating system enrages some people because I don't rate
movies based on how, like, quality they are.

(34:36):
I rate them based on how much I enjoyed them.
Yeah, So I enjoyed it. A nine out of 10.
Yeah, which is a four and a halfout of five.
And that's so, you know, people are always like, but that's a
terrible thing. And you rated it so highly.
I'm like cuz. I enjoyed it, yeah, my rating.
So it's my my feeling. It's like your opinion, man,
Yeah. I will give whole stars for a

(34:58):
needle drop in the movie. I'll be like, that was an
amazing needle drop. I can't believe they got that.
Like a terrible movie for me, but if I enjoyed it and had fun
with it, it's gonna get lots of stars for me.
I'll be like, yeah. Whatever the script.
Quite terrible things are fun. OK.
And if you enjoyed that? The movie has.
Yeah. Yep, Yep.
I also think that, like, ratingsshould be personal so that like

(35:21):
if I were like, oh, I really like Natalia's, like picks for
things a lot. So I can go to her and look at
what she writes high and then belike, OK, probably like what she
rated high versus what, like just the general population is
rating high. It's not going to be the same
effect for me if, especially when I'm, like, out looking for
options to watch myself. Yeah.

(35:44):
Have a trusted person that you know shares your you know the
same things you like and people can you can like bad things
people, it's OK. You don't have to pretend you
don't. You can just like it.
It's fine like. That is literally don't worry
there's always everyone rates differently and it's always the
struggle between like I personally love it but I know

(36:06):
it's trash So what do I rate it?Here's The thing is that you
know the one person's trash is another person's treasure.
Like it may be trash to some people but to you it was a
treasure and that means to someone else it will be as well.
So leave your truth with your ratings.
I love creature features and I will watch the worst ones

(36:27):
imaginable and still be like this was the best movie ever.
But this is an. Exact $0.50 on the entire it's.
Not a bad creature feature movie.
But this however, is great. Yeah.
And Jesse knows that side of my reading.
Most of my likes are some of themost questionable like things
you've ever seen. That I'm just like, listen.

(36:48):
To tell you also watches everything, yeah.
I watch every so I have. I have no litmus for like Eddie.
I like everything. I'm easy.
To please, as they say. But this was an easy a movie
that I think many people would find pleasing, so that's fine.
Agreed. I think like the reception to it
like speaks volumes about that too.

(37:08):
So. It's very well received
critically and obviously in the box office, the audiences loved
it as well and still continue tolove it.
All right, so those are our ratings.
It was 4, four and a half and five.
Do I? Have that right Four and a half,
4 1/2 and 4. 4/4 and 1/2 and. Four.
Yeah. 4 1/2 Two. Four and a halfs. 24 and a halfs
1 four, yeah. Did it There you go.

(37:30):
Did it round that out all right.Numbers are hard.
The numbers are so hard I. Did numbers all, especially now.
OK, so we are going to spoil thehost right after this.
The greatest trick Houston, We have a problem.
I am the father. I see dead people.

(37:51):
The devil ever pulled. Pay no attention to that man
behind the curtain. Was convincing the world.
You can't handle the truth. He didn't exist.
No, What's in the box? All right, we're on the other
side of spoilers, so we are going to spoil the host.
As we said, there's a monster, it terrorizes this hole, it

(38:12):
comes out of the Han River, and this poor family gets their kid
kidnapped. I mean, we kind of spoiled it
already, but. Like.
But like that's really happens very in the beginning.
I do talk about this over the Nunas a lot, is that there is
plot driven media and there's also character driven media.
And this is really a character driven media.

(38:33):
So the plot is very basic and doesn't actually, yeah, it
doesn't. It's not that complex.
Like it's a simple plot, but what's important is like what
the characters do within this very bare bones of a plot.
Yeah, absolutely. But also, there's like a
secondary monster in within, like the scientists and the
government that you don't reallyimmediately see.

(38:56):
You see the monster, the creature before all the other
stuff happens too. So there is, you know, some
developments throughout the entire movie.
You get some surprises. Yeah, I do enjoy, you know, post
COVID post. Oh yeah, you know, I do enjoy
the, you know, here I was actually talking about this with
my husband today where when you watch movies like this before

(39:20):
COVID, when like they would bring up like a pandemic like,
you know, cuz there's like a mysterious virus apparently that
they've invented. OK.
And you like people, you know, people wouldn't really act like
this. But no, we all know they do and
will. And so I was just like, yeah.

(39:40):
Yeah, this is exactly how it would play out. 100.
Percent. How this would happen, yeah.
And so he was a bit ahead of histime for that.
Absolutely. Where it's just like and I think
that really shows he has a real good sense of like humanity and
like human nature with all with like a lot of his with pretty

(40:01):
much every one of his movies. Yeah, it's like one thing you
can say about, you know, bunch and hoe films is that he knows
how humans are. And it's like and I feel like a
lot of movies really present like an idealized version of
humanity, Like, oh, humanity will always like work for the
for everyone will eventually do the right thing.
And it's like, no. No.

(40:22):
And it's not even like, you know, a sinister villain.
It's just like, normal people are just stupid.
Yeah. And.
Like various degrees too. Like there are some people who
are just like just don't want todo it just to self preserve
themselves. But like then there's also like
actual terrible people, but thenthere's also people who are just
like, I'm just trying. I just, I'm not good at it too.
I'm. Just, you know, just enable.

(40:44):
I really enjoyed how he's sort of very succinctly, without
saying too much would craft likethe like the family.
He would give you enough withoutexplicitly saying it to make
sense of their actions. So like, for example, like the
the brother character, he'd likewhen they're on the run, he goes

(41:05):
and he meets his friend and there's all these references
like, well, you went to college,though you then find out he
didn't spend that much time in the classroom because he and his
buddies were all part of like the student protests that were,
you know, quite violent in like the 90s in Korea.
And so then later when they're in a cab and he's making like,
Molotov coffee. Oh my God, yes.
So you bought and like the taxi drivers like damn, like you are

(41:29):
like really efficient and good at that.
He's like just keep driving, just keep driving.
Don't worry about it. Like and so and that shows a lot
about his character and like theway that he can quickly like
light all other Molotovs And then, you know, of course,
because he is who he is, biffs it at the last moment.
Absolutely, because that's him as a person, right?

(41:49):
Yes. And yeah.
And it's these, they're just like these little things that he
always adds just that are small little takeaways, right?
That really sort of like, they're not quite Chekhov guns.
Like, they're not, you know, it's not that much of like, no,
but they are. They're character building and
you. Yeah, they're talking.

(42:11):
If we stay on the brother, they're talking about him going
to college. And they're like, you know, it's
kind of a sense of they have so much pride around that.
He went to college. He's the only one in the family
that. Yeah, he's still an unemployed,
but he's still unemployed. So like, even though he has like
this one up in the family, this is obviously Korea values
education highly. He went to college, but he's

(42:33):
unemployed. He's still a bum at the end of
the day. They're gonna show that like
other side. It's like they are talking about
this like kind of outward persona of like everybody.
But, like, that doesn't mean that they're actually, like,
good at anything. Yeah.
Or like, above anyone else. Yeah.
I also really like how the family ties together in that way
too, because, like, Bei Dumo's character, she is constantly

(42:55):
failing at our archery, too. Like, so like, you get like,
more of a sense of like, yes, this is where this family is.
But like once they start to actually come together and
really focus on each other and focus on like A1 specific thing
and that's so important for them, you start to see them also
develop their skills more. And that's kind of like a really

(43:18):
nice evolution within this movie.
Yeah, I like that too. Yeah.
Cuz you get the sense that individually they're sort of on
the cusp of graziness. Except, I mean, except for some
Congo's character, like, that's just beyond like, yeah,
anything. They're like all like different
levels. But you know what?
I will like give him. I got to give him a little bit
of credit because despite the fact he's stupid, he's

(43:41):
incredibly stupid, but he's so stupid that he doesn't know how
not to actually do brave things.He's earnest.
He doesn't consciously you can very see he's not consciously
realizing that's what he's doing.
But like in, you know, in the scene where like the monster
first appears, he's genuinely trying to help people like he
he's the only one who like goes with the gung ho American

(44:04):
soldier to like try to fight back against the monster.
Like he, you know he. True.
Ineptly attempts to save his daughter.
Like he, he fucks it up because that's like this whole arc.
But like, he tries, yeah. And so he, I feel like a lot of
times they, they made him stupid, but they sometimes make

(44:25):
stupid people unlikable. No, he's lovable.
True. Yeah, but he's just like you
feel such compassion for this guy because you're like, I'm
pretty sure you're brain damagedlike cuz that's, but you're
actually kind like like he's been trying to save up money to
buy his daughter a new phone, but all he saved is like $0.10

(44:47):
and pence. He's got like.
And his daughter's like, thanks for that, but you're never going
to be able to buy a new phone. It's just like a.
Ramen cup. Yeah, full of coin.
And she's like, there's not evenany orders in here.
Broly. Yeah.
Buy me a new phone. It's gonna do nothing.
It's basically like a take a penny, leverage penny.

(45:09):
But he's also genuinely doing it.
It's not like he's like being like lazy about it.
It's like, genuinely, he's like sitting there trying his best
and that's his best. Yeah, yeah, His best isn't very
good, but like it's his best. And, you know, and she actually,
and what I liked about her relationship with him is you
very quickly find out that she doesn't actually seem to resent
him for being. Yeah, just so stupid because

(45:30):
she's not. She could have been a lot.
Worse than she was. Yeah, she's just a middle
schooler. She's just.
A middle schooler, she wants a new phone.
Her phone is old. She was embarrassed that her
drunk uncle went to parents day or some part sort of
presentation where the parents went and she was the only one
whose parent didn't go and unclewent and he was drunk as a skunk

(45:51):
and so she was complaining aboutthat.
Which, honestly, same. Yeah, that's a.
Valid. Absolutely, yeah.
And then later on you find out that she actually, despite not
being stupid, she's cuz she's not.
She actually has that same senseof kindness that you see in her
father. Because unlike pretty much
everyone else in this movie who's out for themselves, she

(46:13):
actually saves someone. Unlike anyone else in this
movie, she actually manages to save a little kids life, a
little homeless child. Yeah, and no one, literally no
one else has ever saved this movie.
She is the only one who actuallyaccomplishes her goal of saving
someone. And she's.

(46:34):
Oh sure, the actress is so good,but.
Yeah, she's so good. I love how you brought up Donald
though, which is the American. Good old Donald.
Who is trying just to be heroic during the initial onslaught of
the monster emerging from the Han River and just wreaking
havoc along the shoreline? And he seemed to have like a

(46:57):
Korean girlfriend who was like Donald.
Get back here. Like stop helping everybody.
And he had a very American spirit.
Like they got it right, Yeah. Yeah, within the face of danger,
doing something stupid. But heroically, that's like the
very American ideal, yeah. But it's also the very that's

(47:18):
the person who would have been the main lead of the film.
Absolutely. Like the American?
Version of this movie. Yeah, would be.
They're gonna be the. Yeah, the a muscle guy that can
like throw things, like really heavy things.
Has an idea. It's the.
One to like stop and actually dothings and not just like run
screaming around. But he nearly dies a hero.

(47:41):
He gets gobbled up by the monster, loses an arm, gets
treatment at the US Army camp. Is patient 0 for this quote UN
quote virus fake virus? It's a fake virus.
It's not a creature, it's a virus.
It's a virus. What I loved about that is I'm
like, so that's like a severe allergic reaction to chemicals.

(48:04):
Like that's not a virus, but like, OK, I put two in two
together. That man has like, chemical
burns and like, good job. It's formaldehyde.
Yeah, like he got his arm bittenoff and then was in the Han
River, which is not the world's cleanest river.

(48:26):
No. OK.
This man was dying of like toxic.
He also got spit by a creature that was created by that.
Yeah. So like, and it's bangs.
It's just poison. This is.
Yeah, this is. Like chemical poisoning, right?
That's what this is. But you know, I, I understand

(48:46):
like because I feel like a lot of people who weren't really
watching it the movie that closely or like perhaps didn't
have any conception of like the relationship between the US
military and Korea would be like, why would they make up
this fake virus? Like that doesn't make sense,
but it actually does because they're trying to be like, it
wasn't the formaldehyde. We didn't do this.

(49:09):
Not this. Nope, not a.
Furious Virus did this. Not us.
You can hide A lot with the virus.
And so and so we're gonna bomb it contagious out of existence,
which is also a very American. I'm, you'll listen, I know I
sound real quick. Listen, my mom's American, but
I'm Canadian, so I'm gonna say it.

(49:32):
That's a very American response to a problem is to bomb the
problem out of it. But like, you know, I just
thought it was very clever the way that they connected this and
then. But everyone knows all of these
scientists when they have, you know, like the main dude, like
if they're doing experiments, they all know it's bullshit.

(49:52):
Yeah. That's the crazy part, is that.
And well, the other thing is it seems like all of the Korean
scientists don't know. Yeah, because they're not.
They're lying. They're lying to the entire
country. But yeah, I love when Stone
Congo figures I'm skipping to the end a little bit.
But when he hears no virus and he figures it out and puts two

(50:17):
and two together, and then the doctor, the American doctor, is
like, why don't we just, like, lobotomize him?
And I've been like he. Won't know.
But like, he barely knows anything to begin with.
I don't know. A lobotomy would have changed
too much about this guy. I did, I did.
I did enjoy his escape. Oh my.

(50:39):
Where he just does the syringe of his own blood.
He's like, I'll squeeze it afterhe was.
Like I said, everybody looking. At just.
Syringe of blood and they're like, it was so great so.
Just like the energy of this is just so just frantic and
ridiculous. And he's great.
He's like, get on the floor, Fatty, you too like get on the
like just his whole escape was great.

(51:01):
The amount of clarity that he had after the lobotomy was just.
Yeah, chefs get wiped away. All the previous issues that he
was dealing with. Just I just, I just thought
there's so many just like small things in this movie that
combined together to be just so clever, like.

(51:21):
But only if you already know some of the background.
Like, I feel like a lot of people who are unfamiliar with
the history of the region may not quite get as much from it as
other people would. Yeah.
It's just, it's a good. It's.
Yeah, it's good. Yeah.
And and as we said, it's like the plot is very minimal.

(51:43):
So like, we can't even spoil that much plot because.
You know the family, it's just to they escape quarantine and
they go for the kid like they get.
Honestly, it's just like watch aloving family be loving in their
own dysfunctional yeah. Yeah.
Like they're, you know, it's good and it has like a sort of

(52:04):
bittersweet ending to it that's just sort of, oh God, I feel
like perhaps would be alienatingto people who are seeking a more
like concrete. Absolutely.
Like satisfying ending, but it has a much more like realistic
ending. Realistic and I also think it
like in a way gives the daughtercharacter true hero status in a

(52:30):
way. She.
Is the one that is the hero in this?
Yeah. Because.
And she also helps a kid go on because then the dad takes the
kid in too. So now, like it's not for not
it's someone is now going to be able to live and live in a
better life than they had previously because of what she

(52:53):
sacrificed. Very solid movie that gives
everything it promises, it's going to give.
Like there's it doesn't build upyour expectation and then you're
like, oh, you're like, listen, it's got fire.
We've got fire archery. We've got going through the
sewers. We've got you know, we got ooze,

(53:14):
we got some creepy ooze. Like that's always fun,
everyone. Loves to.
Slime in a creature feeder. Like it's got, you know, just
sort of a bizarre, you know, I like the beginning where there's
this one scene where this guy's committing suicide.
Well. Yeah, and that's something that,
again, the audiences won't get. No.

(53:35):
It's a little bit harder, yeah. What is this whole thing?
But it just, it shows like a very foreboding shadow, like in
the water. And that's sort of like, and
then it's like, what? The promise of that foreboding
shadow is immediately like delivered like 5 minutes later.

(53:56):
It's just, it's chef's kiss. It's a chef's kiss of a show.
Yeah, I would love it if you guys would give me your favorite
part of the movie and the scariest part of the movie or
maybe the most tension filled moment in the movie for you guys
that you've for each of you. I mean it can be different for

(54:16):
either of you. I think my favorite part of the
movie has to be it's sort of a turning of the heroic moment on
its head. And it is when the the uncle
character is throwing the Molotov cocktails and for like
12 seconds he's looking heroic as hell and he has his last

(54:40):
Molotov and he's like, I'm goingto whip this right at the
creature. And then he drops it behind him.
And I was just like this perfectly.
Like exemplifies the entire vibeof this whole movie.
And then of course, then the sister is like size and then
lights an arrow on fire and doeswhat the brother couldn't do.

(55:03):
It's really scary. The thing is, I don't actually
find this movie scary. Like, I don't, I don't think
it's a particularly frightening movie because of the fact that
there's it's just so like, goofyisn't the right word.
It is a little silly it. Will say if I'm going to go with
something scary, I think the scary parts are when is the

(55:24):
daughter with the monster by itself.
I think that's like where I would say that like if someone
were to be scared in this movie,it's not, especially because she
is a child and then there's another child with her.
So like there's that fear of what's gonna happen to them.
And that is where you see most of the gory type parts because
it's like pieces of bodies afterthe, you know, monster has

(55:47):
killed things. So that's like where the the
creepiest part, I think lives inthis.
That's like the closest to a jump scare that the movie gets,
because it doesn't really do jump scares.
It's just like, no, here you go,here's the creature.
Yeah, I agree. I'm.
Trying to think of like a favorite scene.
I think like when they're escaping the quarantine spot,

(56:11):
when it's like finally they're like, you know what, we're going
to go find the daughter in whatever way she is.
Like we're going to hope that she is alive, but we're just
going to do it. And just kind of that like
ragtag team getting into that van and like making their way
out. I think that's like the the fun.
It's like the journey begins. Here, I mean there's so many

(56:32):
funny parts of the movie they like they forget Bayduna on
their escape. Yeah, I just be a nap like as
they drive around the parking lot and she's like.
And she's like trying to get it.Trying to like follow where the
car is going, but they're being chased by like security people.
And she's like, come on, man So good.

(56:55):
She's just and she the best partabout Bethuda in this is that
she doesn't really have that many lines.
Like she doesn't talk a lot but she delivers such a just a vibe
of a. Performance just like she is
definitely the sister you. Can just tell you're like.
This is what this is the only. Sister is dealing with yeah.
She really has her little, like,niece as the only other female

(57:16):
in the family. And it's mostly like males.
And she's like, this is how it'sbeen my entire life.
I think for me it's a couple of moments.
I really like their when they break into the quarantine area,
not quarantine area, but like it's that cordoned off area by
the river and they can't go nearit.
And the dad spends an obscene amount of money, all of his life

(57:38):
savings, basically getting hustled into buying one of the
decontamination vehicles, some hazmat suits that are not the
right color. They're not high viz and like
two or three shotguns, I think, or something like that.
Maybe a couple of rifles I think.
And that's it. Like 11 grand for the whole

(58:00):
escape, everything, all of that stuff and them getting in.
It was so easy. Yeah.
And then they come. Up on these do any of.
That no, they didn't have to shoot anybody.
They'd have to run any barricades.
They didn't have to anything. They just come up against one
guy who's like, yeah, I'm the chief of stone.
So it's kind of like a sleazy looking guy and then they pay

(58:22):
him off with the the ramen cup full of coins.
And then just. Drive off and you expect there's
to be some consequences for themjust driving.
Nothing ever happens, nothing ever comes of it.
They're just, they just get in so easy.
It's so funny. So I love that part.
I love when they leave Bayduna. The everything about like those

(58:42):
little moments that those littlepockets of comedy.
Love it. There's this one quiet moment
that I remember on this wash andI was like, oh, this is so
interesting that he took the time to do this.
And it was they had just been searching through the sewer
system for her. They have had no luck.
And they go to that shipping container full of food, which I
guess is like to a stock container for all of those food

(59:07):
stalls that are on the Han River.
And so they go inside and they're they're starving.
So they start eating ramen. They start breaking open some
snacks and stuff and they're sitting there.
And then all of a sudden the girl is it.
The daughter pops up behind themand starts eating the Keem Bob
starts eating the food and they start feeding her.
And it was such a quiet, interesting moment to represent

(59:30):
that the family loves her. They're thinking of her.
They want to feed her. They're so caring of her.
Yeah. And she's like, they are in
spirit. They want to feed her.
It's, it's very, you know, Koreans when they say hello,
they're like, have you eaten? And this is like a one of those
things where it's like they knowshe hasn't eaten in so long, but

(59:52):
they're here and they're eating and they want to feed her too.
It was just such a very poetic way to express that and put that
into a visual medium, even though obviously she's not
there. She's starving in a pit in
sewers so. She's starving.
Next to a bound of bodies at themoment but.
Flesh and bone. And.
Goo and God knows what. Yeah, lots of.

(01:00:13):
Yeah. So those were the a few moments
that I really enjoyed. Yeah.
The only scary moment was like when the creature fakes her out.
Yeah, in the pit, because she's trying to escape and it catches
her mid hair. It was like this whole thing,
Yeah. Yeah, and that was like the
closest it got to a jump scare. But at that point, you're kind

(01:00:36):
of expecting it. Yeah, because I feel like the
point of this movie wasn't actually to be scary.
At all, Yeah. Which is, you know, an
interesting way to take a creature feature, But I feel
like sometimes when you're watching some creature, maybe
some of the less good creature features, the more enjoyable as
versus quality is that when theytry too hard to make them scary,

(01:00:59):
they become just goofy and you're just like, so he said,
why not? We just like, we can't have
terror mixed with the goofiest family you've ever seen.
Like that doesn't mesh. He's like, so it'll be off
putting like the creatures appearance is off putting.
Like it's, you know, kind of gross, you know, but it's never,

(01:01:21):
he's not leaping out of, you know, corners and like, you
know, like jump scaring the audience and stuff.
Like it's just like, yeah, he's,he's there.
Like, I think the only like there's only a few moments that
are just like suddenly the monsters there.
It's like when he unfurls from like where he's hanging.
From the. You know, bridge and you know,
like the OR you know, appears suddenly like in the pit.

(01:01:44):
But I don't think that the purpose of this film was to be
scary. I think it was more about the
social commentary than it was about the chills and thrills.
Wanton evil, like that's so overt, it's so in your face.
It's coming out in the daytime, you can't escape it.
That sort of thing is the creature that we're dealing

(01:02:05):
with, as well as the evil that created it, so.
Yeah, yeah. Because I think like it's
really, you know, it's, it's interesting in the sense that
it's very realistic that like evil isn't like some maniacal
mustache twirling villain tying someone to train tracks.
It's just like people doing shit, just banal stuff that

(01:02:27):
people do to make the world a worse place.
And it's just so commonplace that, yeah, throwing, you know,
random chemicals down the sink. Yeah, hundreds of bottles of
formaldehyde will, yeah, definitely fuck up your river,
of course. Why?
Not, you know, like. And that's when you see it all

(01:02:47):
the time. Like this isn't like a, a random
person being evil. Like corporations are doing it.
Yeah, all the time. Like governments are doing it
all the time. And then it's just then it's
juxtapose that against like the average person who doesn't
actually have any power to stop these people from.
Doing it and then it's the one that's directly impacted by it.
Yeah, they're the ones who suffer because of what you know,

(01:03:10):
these people who are untouchablein the sense of, you know, they
have too much power or too much prestige or too much influence
or whatever. They're never the ones who
suffer because of their own. Actions.
So it's well, listen, he wasn't actually doing anything that

(01:03:30):
bad, OK? He was, he was one of us, OK?
He was just, he was a leader whowanted, listen, he wanted to pay
for his education. So we joined the Army and ended
up in Korea. You know, he probably, he
probably got seized in high school.
He didn't know any better. You know what I mean?
Like, he's just, he had more bravery than brains, OK?

(01:03:53):
He's one of us. He just wanted to help people.
Oh man. Do you guys have anything else
you'd like to say about the Hostor any other moments you want to
discuss about the movie? I think when the the grandpa
dies or the dad dies was the moment that I completely forgot
about. When he, I think the creature

(01:04:15):
like slams him on the concrete or something.
I was like oh shit, fuck, I forgot all about that moment.
And then. He's not allowed to like go up
and like mourn him the all the army stops him too.
And it's just like a really sad yeah.
And it's sort of like reflects, I think, this idea again, where
real people don't get a superhero ending.

(01:04:39):
Sometimes they get wet. Newspaper.
Yeah, Shrouding they're. Put over his face like it's very
real in that way for like a movie about like a creature, a
mutant creature attacking people, It's a very it feels
very real despite it being like over the top and these people
being ridiculous who are in it. It's like no, this has like a

(01:05:02):
core of like reality to it that I think makes it sort of really
relatable when you're watching it, even though you're like,
there's nothing that should be relatable in this.
It is at the same time, and I think that's sort of like speaks
to the genius of and like this cast is like a entirety yeah.

(01:05:22):
My only final thought is if you haven't watched the host you
should go watch it cuz even withthese spoilers it doesn't
actually. Yeah, you actually just have to
watch it. And be totally enamored with it,
like. And who knows, like, maybe like
now knowing, like what happens to the girl, it's much more
approachable. Yeah, to it.
So you're not like always. You're not stressed on the edge.
You know what's gonna happen. But.

(01:05:43):
She don't make it. She doesn't.
I'm sorry she doesn't make it because.
Sometimes they don't make it, but the little kid, the little
little kid. The child.
Don't who got a sweet base of Asian yellow?
He makes it. He makes it, Yeah, because
listen, I feel like Asian yellowwas bullshit too.
I think it was all a pack of lies, the whole thing.

(01:06:07):
Lies on lies. Lies upon lies upon lies, I'm
telling you. Yes, it's a good movie.
That's not a lie. That's that's a truth.
I would never lie to you, the listener.
That's a good movie. Well, if there is nothing else
you guys want to say, we are going to get out of here and
continue on our spooky season. Jesse has 15 more movies to

(01:06:32):
watch and we have a lot more dramas to catch up on before the
year is out. So thank you again for coming
on. This was so much fun.
Where can people find you onlinein case they don't know where to
find certified Nunes? Don't know where.
So passionate to find us. We have a website
certifiednunes.com you can watchall our episodes there.
We also we do our podcasters andvideo so you can watch us on

(01:06:56):
YouTube but we're also in audio if you prefer the audio things
we also. Do live streams too.
Yeah, we do live. Streams on YouTube, we have a
good time there. We're always at certified nunas
everywhere but if you want to find me I'm at Soju under score
nights on Twitter. That's where I mostly live and I
just post nonsense there so but love chatting with people.

(01:07:20):
You know how it be. Yeah, and for me, I am at wine
and AK. Drama everywhere, even a website
too. I have a blog.
So very nice you. Can catch up on all those movies
that she's. Doing.
Yeah, guys. I can't wait.
I can't wait to hear like the final verdict on all of it.
Yes. What an undertaking.

(01:07:41):
Oh my gosh. OK, thanks again.
This is fun. Thank you, Bong Joon Ho for
creating the host. And that's it, that's our show.
I'm Jessica and this has been the Teba K Rambo's podcast.

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