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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's up everybody, welcome to the film.
We were the judgmental podcastsup everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is boy Phil back in the house and I'm Leroy, so,
uh, we live the day.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We normally be recorded.
This is our first Guess in awhile, since your brother, right
?
Yeah, yeah.
So why don't you go over thereand introduce him?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'll introduce myself .
This is the Daily American.
I got the Daily Americanpodcast.
My name's Dan Cianci.
I've known Philly.
Phil probably like how long hasit been, I don't know, maybe
like 15 years, and you know, I'mjust meeting his cousin, leroy
and I was listening to hispodcast.
(00:51):
That's messed up.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
My young boy, leroy.
So what you got to say.
Where did you two meet?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah.
So I guess in 2010, I gotactive duty and Sergeant Mott
was there and you know I didn'tget along with many people in
the National Guard.
I got along with them in theNational Guard, but only a few I
could like vibe with, and youknow Sergeant Mott was one of
them.
And there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There definitely is a lot of dickheads and it's hard
to just relate and hang withsome of the dudes.
You just want to get your job,get the fuck out of it.
Then there's other dudes thatit's like oh, this dude is cool,
we can go get some drinks afterthis.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I mean.
So you mean to say there's alot of guys that make shit
difficult when it don't have tobe Definitely 100%?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Y'all want to name them, or I think we did.
I did that on Me and Whippledid On one of the podcasts yeah,
you know, whipple.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, whipple.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Big old Whipple, yeah , we, yeah, he.
He went, boy we talked for likeI had to split that up In like
two episodes Cause we talked forAlmost like three hours, right
yeah, and that's all they weresitting there Doing, talking
about people, but I think he wasnaming names too.
Yeah, I don't be naming nameslike that, but whoop-a-whoop he
(02:08):
can give a shit I drop so manynames in my latest episodes
after my termination.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
but I usually wouldn't do that, but I
sometimes jacked out ofcharacter.
I married a couple people in mywhole company.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So what goes on on your podcast?
Daily American.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So pretty much, I started this podcast back in I
guess three years ago.
I started it I was sober, Iwasn't even taking prescriptions
.
No, weed alcohol, nothing.
I did that for one.
I said I want to be dead soberfor one year and I'm going to do
this race, this Spartan race,and then I'm going to start
(02:45):
getting banged up again.
But one night I was like fuck,I still was gambling.
Gambling is probably my biggestaddiction.
Always has been.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How'd you start?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
gambling.
How I started.
We would play cards in thehouse against my brothers and
stuff for pennies, quarters,whatever, shoveling snow money,
cutting grass money.
I remember crying, leaving allpissed off.
My brother was just sittingthere smirking.
He didn't need the coin, but hewas teaching me a lesson and I
(03:18):
just didn't pick it up.
I never learned.
I guess going back five, six,seven, eight years old I'd take
the bus down to Atlantic Citywith my pops.
From where?
From Country Hocking.
Okay, yeah, the bus would runright through Country Hocking
and take us right down toAtlantic City.
And you know I wanted to gobecause I was getting out of the
house and I was hanging withDad why not?
(03:39):
And you know we'd get downthere.
Usually he hits the pawn shopfirst to get some, some, some
cash.
And he would, he, he did.
He always had a gold chain.
He would buy the gold chainback because he that was one of
his things he he liked.
He didn't really have anythingelse materialistic.
He liked this one gold chain sohe'd get some cash for it and
off we went to trump and youknow, as a kid you can't go on
(04:00):
the carpet back.
Then it's.
It was just a whole differentatmosphere.
Everybody's smoking in there.
You got the, you got the actualbuckets, uh, with the coins
coming in, and he would try tostay nearby.
But sometimes that machine justwasn't hitting so he just he'd
take off.
And I do remember being likecold as shit in the in the
casino and people walking bylike are you okay, young, are
you okay?
like it's like five hours it'slike five hours later it's like
(04:25):
six days later I got a bag ofDoritos as a peanut juice.
No, but, yeah, that's how Iguess I got it.
I have it in my blood.
They say addiction runs in thefamily.
I can attest to that.
My one brother pretends likehe's not the oldest because he's
an attorney and shit, but theother three of us are just
(04:50):
addicts.
Addicts, just different choicesof drugs.
I've done basically every drugand a whole lot of drinking, but
gambling has had the mostnegative impact on my life.
Now what type of games you playso it used to just see I was
anti-slots, just like I wasanti-cigarettes growing up,
(05:11):
because I used to be in the backof my pop's truck and try to
roll the window down, you chief,in there is cigarettes.
I'm getting ready to go to abasketball game or something.
Just get dropped off and it'ssmelling like, like smelling all
the smoke.
When I'm, you know, I need mylungs.
I used to be in the car likethis.
Now I smoke, you know, a half apack a day and I've been doing
that for like 10, 10 years.
(05:32):
Same thing with the game, but Ididn't like the slots.
Because of that, I stuck tosports.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
As I get older, though, man, these, these slots,
these slots have, they'redetrimental and, like we were
saying before earlier, plus ismore accessible now than it was
I was back then, because youjust mentioned atlanta city.
That was the only place that wecan gamble at now.
We got sugar house, chester and, most importantly, you can do
slots on your phone that's theworst part about it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
that's the worst part about it because, you know,
they just made this back in.
I think it was right around 17,18,.
They made the online gamblingaccessible through FanDuel.
There was only a couple of themback then, maybe FanDuel, and
then DraftKings or Parks poppedup.
Anyhow, I was doing all right,I had my own house, I was still
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going back and forth with thegirl that I was seeing and
running with other chicks andstuff like that.
But bottom line is, I had ahouse, I had my vehicle, job was
all squared away.
And then them online, themonline fucking casinos came out.
Next thing, you know, my credit,my credit was like 750, 200
(06:38):
grand credit line.
Rack one, I racked one up afterthe other.
I got it up to like 173 and Iwas, I was in underwater.
So I had to, you know, kovu hadhad broken out and I had to,
you know, make some strategicmoves to to find a way to get,
to get out of this.
(06:59):
Or you know, I, I essentiallylost everything back then.
Um, so I filed the bankruptcy,I lost everything.
And then so I filed thebankruptcy, I lost everything,
and there I was building it backup, I was trying to build it
back up, moved to Florida withmy ex for a little bit.
When was this?
This was in 2000,.
Right after COVID broke out, wemoved to Florida, Okay yeah,
(07:21):
and you know, we were back andforth for a while.
I don't know if, did you evermeet Jackie?
She was cool.
She's married now.
I'm glad she's married.
She's married some crackhead,dude, dude, yo.
He's got 20 mug shots on Googlefor like felonies and shit.
I'm like nah, I'm not judging,maybe he did a state time and he
got out, but he looks like asquirrely crackhead.
(07:41):
Let me tell you that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So anyhow she just got married.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I couldn't get in touch with her.
I sent her a dollar on Venmo.
I said congratulations, I'mglad you're happy, and it was
genuine.
And then I was like let me knowwhen you get divorced, what
part of Florida was this?
Right near Tampa, lithia, oh,okay.
Yeah, well, I only know youfrom looking at what part of
Florida was this?
Right near Tampa, lithia, okay,fishhawk.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I only know you from looking at it on Instagram.
I don't remember here seeinganything about Florida on there.
You kept it up.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean, see, here's the thing.
Back then, well before thepodcast, I'd never posted on
social media, man, never.
I'd never posted anything.
I could be anywhere, nobodywould know anything, because I
wasn't about that life and I'mnot about that life now.
But when you make a commitmentto get some stories heard,
sometimes you just gotta rockand roll and post dumb shit,
(08:33):
post some things that maybe hita little bit.
It's a tough game but it's aconsistent.
I'm not consistent with itbecause I get in my head.
I worry about too much whatfucking other people think I
don't my head.
I worry about too much whatfucking other people think I
don't know why.
Right, they wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They wouldn't be alive today.
Well, my advice to you for thatis if you're worried about
consistent and getting in yourown head, then you should do a
whole lot at one time, so thatway you just cut it up into
different episodes, whatever.
So you do, let's just sayyou're normally by yourself,
right?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, no, whatever, so you do.
Let's just say like, so younormally by yourself, right?
Um, well, I no, not necessarily.
Sometimes when I'm being lazyI'm by myself.
I'm just by myself.
To tell you the truth, when I'mbeing lazy, I'm just by myself.
The episodes are probablyboring, but you know recordings.
I have five set up um on thatcalendar nonsense, calendly.
Five people set up.
Having guests on or findingguests is seamless.
(09:29):
People like to talk aboutthemselves.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Especially men, because we don't get a chance to
talk you know, regularly talkor anything.
So once you talk to a man likethat, they'll just want to give
you their whole life story andeverything.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, like I'm doing right now.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So yeah, just do like alright, just do like do an
interview and then just dosomething by yourself.
So that's two episodes Now twoweeks.
You don't have to do anything.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I will do that, you know what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's more so the other stuff, because people
don't just want to see.
I did this in the beginning, Iwas just posting podcast shit.
People don't just want to seepodcast shit.
First of all, a lot of peopledon't even listen to podcasts.
It doesn't matter how much theylike you, how much they follow
you on Instagram, how much theyengage with your stuff, they
(10:30):
with your stuff, they they justdon't like podcasting.
I happen to be one of them.
I never listen to podcasts.
I don't.
You got, I listened to yourguys a couple times, but not
like through and through.
I just it's not something thatI I was ever interested in,
right?
So it's like it's.
They want to see the bad, theother stuff like they.
They want to see like you, youknow whatever, playing
basketball, or like drinkingwith your boys or like dunce.
They just I think the, the, thepeople usually want to see like
that behind the scenes typeshit.
But that's just my opinion.
(10:52):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
no, you're right.
It's almost like do you want toread a book and do you want to
watch a movie?
You know what I mean, wherepeople rather sit on the ass and
watch a movie than read a book,yup, so would you rather watch
a movie or read a book.
I used to read a lot.
I don't read no more now Iwatch movies.
So here you go.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What's the best book you ever read?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll tell you my favorite book, your favorite
book.
There you go, my favorite bookis the Long Walk by Stephen King
.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's fiction.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, it's about this town.
This town is like I guess theypoor, but every year they pick
kids.
That's, if you turn 18, you cansign up for the long walk.
So the long walk is they havelike rows of kids on both sides
of the street.
They have an army tank in themiddle and a kid that walks the
longest.
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They walk through differenttowns.
All this shit.
The kids that make it to theend get like all these riches
and shit.
Fucking all this money ain'twalk through different towns.
All this shit.
The kids that make it to theend get like all these riches
and shit.
Fucking all this money ain'tgot to work again.
All this shit.
The kicker is on that tank.
There's two guys One guy facingthis way, one soldier facing
this way Got a fucking M16 inthe hand.
You stop walking.
You get a warning.
You know what I mean.
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You got a warning.
You know what I mean.
You got a warning.
I think it's like five secondsor ten seconds or whatever.
Then you pick it back up and ifyou walk a certain amount of
distance, that warning will goaway.
But if you get three warnings,they blow your fucking head off.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
What was that other game, that Asian movie Battle
Royale?
No, not Battle Royale.
The other one, something game.
They were all in a prisonsomething game.
They were all in like a prisonbasically.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh, you're talking about the one that blew up At
the end?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I don't mean blew up?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh yeah, blew up.
Everybody started watching.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Oh, on Netflix the show, the TV show you're talking
about.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, what was?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
it called.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh my goodness, it was something games right no I
don't think it had games in itum, I'm thinking hunger games,
but not that I know I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, the game.
Yeah, I know what you'retalking about it was like that
kind of.
It seems like that a little bitwhen he was describing it, I
just automatically thought aboutthe hundred hunger games.
When, uh, you were breakingdown the whole story, because,
because I'm like, well, whatcame out first?
I know Battle Royal, hungerGames is like a remix of Battle
Royal.
Battle Royal is like a Koreanmovie.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And it was pretty much the same scenario as you
can work with.
I think it's like three or fourof them, but if you get a
chance, watch the first one.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, watch the first Battle.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Royal.
It's almost like it's whatHunger Games took from.
So I'm like wondering, likewhat came first?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
that book?
Of these two movies?
Probably the book?
Yeah, I would think so too.
Yeah, because the way you weredescribing it made me think
about the hunger games.
Yeah, well, you don't have tosign up, it's up to you if you
want to sign up.
But once you sign up, you'resigned up right.
I mean you just start walking.
So they kind of like follow,like certain characters in the
story.
They tell you like what's goingon with this guy's life, and
then he, he might see his buddyslack.
Yo, pick it up, come on, let'sgo like that.
You know what I mean.
And it kind of like cliffhangerat the end.
It was my favorite book and itstuck with me and I read it
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twice.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I usually don't read like thick books.
It had a little weight on it.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I've only read a couple.
Well, this is back when I firstjoined Job Corps.
Job Corps is kind of like theArmy setup, where you got the
dorms, you go to training allday and then you come back.
We didn't have all thetechnology you have now.
We didn't have TVs and shit.
You got a TV, one TV in the dayroom, but I think at 9 o'clock
they shut the day room down.
So now you're at your bump.
What you're gonna?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
do you're gonna pick up a book?
We didn't have phones.
You stay overnight in job corps.
Yeah, they have two differentones.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, so they have the one.
You go to like school every day.
You come home like they had onein philly.
I don't know if they still haveit or not, I don't think.
So yes, well, you come home.
You can come home.
The one I went to.
I went to virginia, in thefucking woods, middle of nowhere
.
So you don't come home, youstay there.
So one week you go to school,the next week you go to your
trade, and you just keep doingthat until you complete one or
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the other.
Then, once you complete both,then you have to go through
driver's training.
You know what I mean.
You go through driver training,you get your license.
Then, once you completeeverything, they send two people
on the job.
So you complete.
Now you're waiting for somebodyelse in that field to complete
out every three.
Once he get everything complete, then they link y'all up.
Y'all too is going on a job.
It could be anywhere fucking inkentucky, they.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
As soon as you get there, they ship you, they ship
you out across the states.
Yeah, they can send youanywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The job is already yours, like you don't got to go
there, fill out no app and noneof this shit.
There's going to be aconstruction site that you're
already hired for.
They know you coming, they'regoing to make sure y'all have a
car and they're going to makesure you have an apartment when
you get there.
So you're not going aroundlooking for this shit as soon as
you get there, this is y'allcrib, this is y'all car, like
that type of shit.
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So it's kind I was like 17, andI went for Brick Mason.
You know what I mean.
So I just had to wait foranother Mason to come along.
He came along and they linkedus up and they sent us in.
It was a small-ass, little hicktown called Colburn, virginia.
It was Colburn.
No, colburn is where Job Corpswas at.
What the fuck was it called?
It was another little townbecause Job Corps was in
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Virginia.
They got us a job in Virginiatoo.
You know what I mean.
But it was another little smalltown and as soon as we went to
the website, they was like soyou're my two guys, hey, alright
, they're gonna pop on thebrakes, get to work.
You know what I mean.
It was like that and all theold heads.
They sit back drinking beerlistening to sports radio All
(16:20):
the young guys do most of thatcompany, so that company's going
to keep jobs.
They're going to keep thatmoney moving.
They're always building shit inthat city or wherever you go.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Oh, okay, I thought that was like the Job Corps you
work with them, but you weregetting paid through the Job
Corps.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, job Corps pay you, but they give you pennies,
so they give you.
Let's say, they give you.
I think it was like 25 bucksevery two weeks.
That's just spending money soyou can buy honey, buns and
fucking.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
It's almost like a per day PX shit.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You buy a little bit of shit like that you know what
I mean and you're accumulatingmoney while you're there.
So if you complete Job Corps,there's money at the end of it
as long as you've been there.
They piled up for you.
That way they don't see you onthe job broke.
So you might have let's say, ifyou was there for a year, you
might have I don't know $5,000or something like that in the
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bank waiting for you.
But you can't get it until youcomplete everything.
But that's what it is.
It depends on how long you is,the more money you have to hit.
So when I was in job court, Iprogram called the fire team but
you had to be like one of theelite guys there, like
physical-wise, you had to beable to run a certain amount,
carry a certain amount.
You had to be excelling in allyour training and in school,
like all these steps, you had tobe fucking above average to
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join the fire team.
Once you join the fire teamthey give you fire gear, you go
through some small training andshit and then, when the alarm go
off, if you're on the fire team, throw your gear on, get out to
the main building becausethere's gonna be some buses to
pick you up.
You're going out, you'reputting out forest fires, right.
So I was like, oh shit, I needto do that.
So then that's when I startedfucking some people in job corps
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.
They don't want to complete job, because once you complete job
corps, you don't have that backand forth thing.
They'll tell you, once youcomplete job corps, if you want,
you can become a permanent fireteam member and that's all you
do is putting out forest firesand they pay you fucking good
money.
Like I said, I was like 17years old.
I was fucking at that timemaking probably more than I'm
making now.
You know what I mean and that'scrazy.
(18:17):
That's like fucking 30 yearsago, but like fucking 30 years
ago.
You know what I mean, butthat's what they do.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I was doing a fire team and I was doing that shit
too, man, I was killing it,killing it.
Let me ask you something thefire team are these forest
firefighters just do they all gothrough Job Corps?
No, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
So they always need people on the fire team.
They have full timers that, sothey always need people on the
fire team they have full-timers.
That's what they do, but theystill don't have enough.
And by me doing it, that's whenI saw it.
Like, when you watch the newsin the summer, you always see
these forest fires and shit.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I swear to God that these guys are starting these
fires.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because this is how they pay the bills.
If there's no fires, how do youwork?
It's not like this is yoursecond job, you know what I mean
.
Or a side job, or hustle Maybesome people it is, but you have
people that's.
This is permanently what theydo.
They train firefighters to dothis, not firefighters like in
the city, but they train forestfirefighters to do this.
Right, and this is what they do.
And if you're in Virginia,you're putting out Virginia
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fires, or you might go toTennesseeucky, you might go to
west Virginia, whatever theyneed you at, that's where y'all
going, right, I mean so it is,and the money was money.
You know what I mean.
I think we did, uh, we workedlike maybe five days a week and
it was like over a thousanddollars after taxes.
You know so and you're andyou're 17.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I was 17.
Yeah, you're eating.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I ain't had no bills, no kid, nothing.
You know what I mean.
How?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
long was uh like not not boot camp, but how long is
the initial staying in thebarracks with the dude?
How long did it take your boyto finish up, to get going?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, they try to find because there's so many
people there.
Let's say the class has 20people If I'm on level 5,
whoever else is on level 5, sothey're already in their mind
thinking like, okay, these arethe people that we can pair up
and as long as they keep moving,if somebody's still on level 1,
he's going gonna be stuck wayback on level one.
Keep fucking repeating andtrying to get it.
He just might be one of thoselittle brain motherfuckers that
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just take you over the line.
Some people's like that.
You know what I mean.
But as long as you're doingwhat you're doing like me
wanting to be on the fire team Icouldn't bullshit.
I have to be excelling what I'mdoing on my tree.
You know what I mean?
yeah, yeah, same with the dudeRay.
He's the guy that I went on thejob with.
He was on the fire team.
He was making sure Like heready to get the fuck out of job
court.
He been there too long.
He need somebody else to speedup their shit to catch up with
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him.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He wants a full-time gig.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
He wants to be a full-time.
He wants to For a gig, no, no,on a fucking job he wants to be.
He went to be a Mason, a cementMason.
He wants to go get a job as acement Mason and start his life.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
He was a little bit older than me.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
He probably was like 18 or 19.
But it was nobody close on hislevel yet he was probably almost
complete.
They even pushed me faster thanwhat I was supposed to be
because I was a quick learner.
I wasn't fully complete.
I wasn't fully complete, let'ssay, is ten levels to be
complete?
I was probably on level sevenwhen he graduated.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
How long does that take the job for?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
yeah, just just a level yeah, it all depends on
the person.
If you a quick learner, if theysay, build this wall or do this
or do this, and everybody haslike a platform in front of you
got to mix this, you gotta doeverything.
You got to mix this.
Well, you do have people that'sjust going to job.
For what are they calledLaborers?
You have just laborers.
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So if you have laborers there,they'll mix the cement.
Do all that for you.
You just do your measurements,do your cutting your blocks and
doing your stacking.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I guess what I'm asking is from the initial time
you flew to you said Virginia,Virginia, To get to your first
job.
How long were you?
In that, I would probably sayLike a couple weeks, or like a
few months.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I would probably say close to a year, damn.
Damn, that's a while Wellbecause I dropped out of school.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So I also had to get my diploma.
You know what I mean.
So I had to do.
You don't have to do both.
Some people come to Job Corpsalready finished high school, so
then they just focus on thattrade.
So if you're spending everyweek on your trade, you're going
to graduate faster.
You know what I mean.
If you're a dumb motherfuckerand they got to drag you along
to get you school and this shit,you know what I mean.
So what you want, in a perfectworld you'll have your school
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and your trade lined up together.
If I'm getting B's in my trade,I'm getting A's or B's in
school, Not you fucked up on one, but you're excelling on the
other, Because then you're goingshit ain't lined up right.
Or, like I said, if yougraduated high school and you
went to Job Corps, then you canjust do your trade and get the
fuck up out of there.
But now if you're on the fireteam and you're getting that
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$1,000, now you kind of want tocut back a little bit because
you don't want to leave jobcourt too soon and you don't
want to just stay in Virginia ona fire team.
So you want to try to doubledip.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You know what I mean.
Got you, got you.
So saying to be a full-timefirefighter wasn't something you
wanted to do, but if you wantedto, you could have did that.
I could have done that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Because they always wanted.
It was weird because when wewent on the fire team, it was
dangerous too, because we'reright in the mix of shit, I had
a fucking bag Ghostbusters Kindof.
It was like a flame drop bag, soit's like some fuel in there
and I got a hose on it and it'sdropping fire.
(23:19):
When I push the button it dropslittle fireballs like that.
You know what I mean.
So as the fire is coming, let'ssay the fire is coming like
this, so the fire is coming thisway.
We got to cut the fire off, soI'm starting the fire over here
and when this fire meets thatfire it'll burn itself out.
There's nothing left.
You know what I mean.
But that's dangerous because Igot the bag.
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So if the fire's coming thisway, I don't want to like burn
up a whole bunch of unnecessaryland.
So I want to get close as I can.
And once you start gettingclose you start fucking sweating
.
You like getting paranoid andI'm a fucking young dude.
So I see this fucking fire onblaze in the forest.
I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
so I'm all like this with my joint I'm dropping it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But I'm scared as shit.
You know what I mean.
But that's what you're doing.
And then, once you have thatfire there, they spread the
soldier I said soldier, theyspread the dudes out so far
apart.
And then you sit thereovernight and just watch the
fire line and let's say, this isthe fire line that we built
right here.
And you have shovels, you haveaxes.
All you're doing is digging inthe dirt, pushing the old grass
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away.
Then you're sitting on itovernight to make sure no
fucking ashes and timber crossover, because then it'll start
to fire.
So then you sit on it overnightand once it's out, it's out.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, I don't know how many people know you do hear
like fire with fire, but Ididn't.
I'm just thinking you're outthere with water.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
We don't have no water.
Yeah that's crazy.
We got shovels, axe, and we'rebuilding a fire line and then
certain people have that fuckingbag that I had to help start
the fire.
You know what I mean.
So if we build the line let'ssay we build the fire line right
here we're going to start ourfire drip line up here, you know
what I mean?
And then everybody's going tosit back here and make sure and
base off of windage though.
(24:56):
Right, right, you know what Imean.
And then you have thehelicopters that fly over these,
fucking open up the buckets,drop this slime shit.
You want to make sure you clearthat shit.
They say it burn.
I don't fucking know because Idon't be around that shit, but
when they they let whoever thehead guy is know okay, they
about to make a drop, pull back,everybody pull back.
So we pull back.
And then you see thehelicopters open the thing up on
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the bottom and you see all thisshit fall down.
There's like some wet, slimyshit.
That kind of help put the firearound.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
See, I thought that was water, but no, it's not.
No, it's some other shit.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, it was deep and , like I said, it was an
eye-opening experience for me.
Being like 17 from the hood Ijust was trying to get money and
I was just like everybody saidthis what I the guys in job
career was getting a lot ofmoney.
They told me that's what I needto do.
I met this guy when I firstwent to job car I was scared to
shit because I was 17, I ain'tknow nobody from the city, I
ain't never been outside ofphilly you know what I mean.
And uh, I met this guy.
(25:45):
I swear to god he looked likejay-z funny looking ass dude,
but he was cool as shit, likehow jay-z cool kind of.
You know what I mean earlyjay-z, not jay-z now yeah, yeah,
yeah, I mean he was like that.
He was so laid back.
His name was davir, he was fromphilly, so he was like oh, oh,
what's up?
Phil, you know what I mean.
You from Philly, I'm a man,this, and that you know what I
mean.
So he pretty much took me underhis wing and he used to sell
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snacks, all this shit, becauseit was like in the military, you
know how you eat dinner at like4.30?
Come 8, 9 o make their foodruns.
They let him go.
And then he'd buy like fuckingcases of honey buns, cases of
oodles, of noodles, all thisshit.
He'd put it in his locker andthen he'd sell it Double the
(26:29):
price.
So this is back in the day.
But one pack of noodles youprobably can get a fucking box
of noodles with like 20 packsfor like three bucks or
something.
One pack of noodles he wouldsell for a dollar.
And then people, and if you'relike man, I ain't got it, don't
worry about it, I'll put youdown for a dollar 25.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Here you go, just catch you on page Now.
You sound like jail Yo.
That's what I said.
That's how he was.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So he even was selling like fucking shots.
You had shots of liquor and hewas selling shots for $5 a pop
man.
I ain't got no followers, don'tworry about it, I'll put you
down for $6.
You know what I mean?
Just see me on payday.
Then on payday, everybody inline getting their little $25.
He's right on the sideline theyfucking breaking him off.
He was killing the game, but hewas like Phil.
(27:11):
I don't really want to sell thefood.
I ain't know nobody.
I'm like what the fuck?
I'm like fucking wet behind theears.
I don't know what the fuck isgoing on.
I'm a little dude.
I'm only like fucking 130pounds.
He's like fucking tall.
He got fucking dudes and shit.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
He's the enforcer.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
now he was like.
He was like.
He was like I'm gonna startselling weed and drinks food.
I was like what I'm like?
Alright, I don't know how hegot it, but he would sell weed
but not baggies.
He would roll up and just sellJ's.
And I think he was selling themthings for like 10 or 20 bucks
or something crazy, for just oneJ.
(27:46):
You know what I mean.
So that's what he was focusingon.
So I had the food.
But now he was like I'm goingto show you how to do it this
payday.
So I was killing it.
You know what I mean.
I was getting my Job Corpsmoney, my fire team money and my
hustle money from selling food.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know what I mean I was killing it?
Yeah, you got contact becauseI'm going to Job Corps.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yo, I'm telling you, man, that shit was sweet.
This was back in the day,though, but me being so smart
and not know nobody if somebodypayday rolled around, yo man, I
ain't got it.
I'll catch you next time.
I'm like what the fuck Now?
What do I do?
Now?
I'm like a fucking bitch,because this dude bigger than me
probably can whoop my ass andthat's another thing.
In Job Corps, when I went to JobCorps, I just thought it was
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going to be a lot of people likeme, young dudes that are just
trying to find their way, sentto job corps.
It was like you going to jobcorps, you're going to jail,
type motherfuckers.
So these was like knuckleheadsin the streets, always getting
into fights, breaking into cars.
Like all these knuckleheads inhere I'm going, not a bad dude,
like almost a square, not reallya square, but not a bad dude,
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and I'm here with all thesedudes.
You know what I mean.
So you know what I mean.
When, when a couple guys maybetwo or two didn't pay me on
payday, devere was like yo, dideverybody square up with you.
I was like nah, such and suchtold me he going to pay me next
payday.
Nah, today is payday.
Hold up.
(29:09):
When it found a dude, yoked himup, came back and dude was like
here you go, phil.
Made the dude pay me back.
I was like, all right, go Phil.
Like made the dude pay me back.
I was like, oh, all right, youknow what I mean.
I ain't got a fucking becauseI'm sweating like damn.
You know how you get themindset that this dude burned me
and everybody thinking thateverybody going to start burning
me and shit.
Don't punch him in his head.
But if I punch him in his headI'll probably get beat up.
(29:33):
So it's like when you're acriminal and somebody burns you,
what do you do?
Right, right.
So I just when the very act, Ijust told him the truth and then
he fucked, yoked the dude upand the dude paid me, and then I
had no problems with it afterthat.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Now, why did you leave Job Corps?
I completed it, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
All right.
I thought it was um, waitingtoo long, we're just gonna pass
you through.
I'm like whoa, whoa, I'm onlyon seven, I ain't advanced.
I ain't hit my whole check.
Don't worry about it, you'lllearn that on the job.
That's what he told me, so Iwas like all right and that was
the first.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
No, I was a different job that was event me, okay,
okay okay, got you the.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Uh fire.
Shit was like a bonus that youcan do while you're in Job Corps
Got you got you Unless youdecide you want to do that full
time and then once you do that,you see all these different
people and they say the one ruleI got to say is don't speak to
the Native women, don't saynothing to them, don't look at
them, because those dudes willfuck you up, they'll cut you,
they'll beat your ass if you'relooking at their women.
(30:37):
So that kind of stuck to heart,because then you see all these
burly-ass Indian like NativeAmerican Indian women with fire
suits on and some of them'slooking good, some of them's
just looking like rough-assdudes.
But you try to stay focusedbecause you see these
motherfuckers.
They all look crazy.
All the guys, the Indian.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Why is the majority of them Indian?
Is there like a reservation outthere?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Maybe I don't know, I was too young to understand.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, that's wild though, right I?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
mean I'm not saying a majority of them was, but it
was a lot that was there.
I mean it was a lot of whitedudes.
It was like older black dudes,older white guys, younger white
dudes.
So we all was there, but theone rule they kept saying that
stuck in my head was don't messwith them.
Indian women, now I don't know,baby them guys.
They take that shit personal.
You saying something to themgirls?
I just was like all right.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, I mean, we essentially took like their
entire native land.
They're probably a littlepissed off about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But they'll probably give me a little bit of leeway
not to, because I hate that shit.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying?
I'm saying, yeah, speaking ofthat, dan, you're a world
traveler, right?
What place have you been?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I wouldn't say yeah, I mean I've traveled around a
bit, but you know I'm not goodat like being real, you know I
get all banged up when I'm outthere, so I don't remember
everything.
But I've gone to Iceland, whichwas pretty cool.
You know the Caribbean aroundthe United States a little bit,
but there's so much to see hereyou could literally just get in
a vehicle.
(32:00):
I was thinking about doing it.
Now I have a little bit of timejust hopping in the vehicle and
traveling all around the US,because there's so many spots,
man, especially mid-summer.
But also, like Smyrna, I wentto Italy a couple times that's
where my father was born.
Ireland a couple times.
Croatia, that's where my fatherwas born.
Ireland a couple times Croatia,which was crazy, which was cool
(32:25):
Budapest.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
First thing about you .
First you say well, I haven'tbeen to that many places.
Right now you're running offall these other places, right,
yeah I?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
haven't been to many places, but I've been to Iceland
.
Oh, I've been to Italy.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Traveling, especially alone, like it's like a ride,
it's like it's like a, like a,like a roller coaster.
And I don't know if it's justme, but I remember going to
croatia and sitting down at thistable.
I stayed in an airbnb andthey're pulling, they're pulling
the fish right out of the water, which is right where that
arcade machine is, and just sopeaceful, just Adriatic City,
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just beautiful.
They don't speak much English.
I obviously don't understandtheir native language, but I
could still understand.
They were just trying to feedme and make me feel like I was
exactly at home.
It was crazy, crazy bottles ofwine.
(33:25):
And they've been through somewars over there uh, croatia
against, you know, the serbs, Iguess, back in the soviet union.
I don't know too much about itall, but you know you could tell
some of the guys at the tablethey've been through some shit,
like during that war, but uh,yeah, it was just like emotional
, like I just remember breaking,like I was in tears after
dinner, just like so grateful.
You go there by yourself andthis is how you get treated.
These people don't know me, youknow, but I guess they could
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sense that you know I'm an allright dude and I would do the
same if they were, if they wereat my place, you know.
So it's cool.
It's cool traveling and then,like you know, obviously getting
banged up and doing dumb.
And you know, luckily I gotsomebody getting.
If I got a fight out in, uh,croatia I thought I was fighting
against the serbs.
My uber driver was croatian,he's cool, he was a carpenter
(34:11):
and he took me on his boat andstuff his speed boat around the
islands.
Um, what's that do with longhair?
Jaroletto, his, one of hisislands was right there does all
sorts of weird shit on there.
He said, like we drove right byit, like that dude's, like a
weirdo, yeah, all sorts likeseances and shit, I hear.
But anyhow, besides that, um,yeah, the fight.
(34:33):
So I got a little scuffle.
I was all banged up at thisclub.
So many people Pop's charm Ionly had one Gets ripped off in
the fight.
The charm falls out.
I stayed at that place.
I slept there.
I slept there on the bench atthat place.
I wasn't leaving without this.
I got the chain.
I was digging through all thedrains.
(34:55):
It could have been shit inthere.
I wasn't know.
It could have been shit inthere.
Whatever, I wasn't leaving.
I woke up the next day, gave mesome water because, like, the
cleaning people were there andshit, I go shower.
My Uber driver picks me up.
He's like man, that thing'sgone.
I wouldn't even worry about it.
I was like no, I'll get it back.
I knew it was coming, I knew Iwas going to get it.
(35:17):
I go back that day he takes me.
No luck.
But I left my name, my number.
I said I'll pay whoever youknow if somebody finds it.
I knew somebody had it, thatwas there, and they know each
other.
You know what I mean, whatever.
So three days later I get likea Facebook message from this
girl and she said she had it.
She wasn't expecting any moneyor anything.
(35:41):
I obviously gave her a big tipfor whoever had it.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I got it back, but just dumb shit like that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
What's your favorite place that I've been to ever?
Probably See.
I like peace and quiet when I'mtraveling.
I would say you know what?
I don't even think.
You know what the true answeris, Leroy, it doesn't matter
where you are when it comes toyour mindset and your heart and
your happiness.
Right Like I could be here.
I'm happier here today, aftergambling away basically
(36:09):
everything, than I was when Ihad tons of money just chilling
and I could have gone anywherein the world, and it's just like
the way it is.
I think sometimes I don't thinkbeing at one place is like that
place is the best place I'veever been.
I think it's a combination ofeverything.
If I had to think back to myhappiest moment, I don't know.
There are some cool places andCroatia is probably tops them
(36:32):
all because there was a lot ofpeace in the countryside.
Adriatic Sea is beautiful,except don.
There was a lot of peace in thecountryside Right yeah.
Adriatic Sea is beautiful,except don't get bit Baptized.
My Uber driver on his boatthat's what he called it,
because I'm not a big swimmer,so we would just park the boat
and jump in.
It's very.
(36:53):
I don't know if it's soluble orinsoluble, but whatever makes
you naturally float.
So it's either really salty ornot salty I don't know which one
, but I think it's not salty atall and it naturally makes you
float to the surface.
So you don't really got to bethat good of a swimmer, right?
So he parks the boat, probablylike a football field, 100 yards
(37:17):
, what's that?
300 meters away from the land,basically.
So he's like come on, we'll swimover here I'm like all right,
like I'm not a good swimmer, Icould probably make this though.
So I made it to the land on theway back, this dude just like
dives in like he's a fish.
There's like rocks right therelike like he, perfect, and I'm
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like I'm walking.
Well, that was a bad idea,because he told me about these
little sea sea urchins.
I'll show you pictures later,but basically they had like
these porcupines all on theserocks and you know, they're not
like.
It's not like a perker, they'relike a perker bush, but
stronger, and they're in there.
They go all the way in.
(37:59):
So they're like the prickerbushes, but they go underneath
your skin completely whereyou've got to dig them out.
Oh shit, yeah.
So I basically slipped on a rocktrying to swim.
I slipped on a rock, I wasstill standing, and then I just
dove.
I dove directly into more ofthose little urchins, made it
back to the boat, your hands.
He was like yeah, you gotbaptized, you're officially one
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of us.
That's what he told me.
He was laughing and cracking up.
My hands were like are you surethis is all right?
My hands are all swelling upand shit Does it hurt.
Painful, it's all in the nerves, but you know it was all right.
His mother was actually diggingsome of them out.
I got a video of it Diggingthem out, but she couldn't get
them all.
The last one came out probablylike six months after I got back
(38:41):
.
Eventually it stopped hurting,but you could still tell
something's in there because ofthe nerves.
Right, I'll show you guyspictures.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was vicious, but don't do that.
See, I don't know if I wouldeven swim.
I don't like swimming either.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Because I never did growing up, so I'm not
comfortable, right.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
You a swimmer.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
No, I can get by.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I almost died a couple times I don't fucking
wear them.
Army shit.
We graduated.
When we graduated boot camp, wehad like A little two day pass
or whatever.
You know what I mean.
And so we was like, oh, I'llget a hotel, get a hotel, and
shit, we got we the hotel.
Get a hotel, and shit we got.
We got.
Uh, chicks all at the hotel,everybody's there.
You know what I mean?
Chilling and shit.
I'm at the edge of the poollike this.
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We all drinking and shit andI'm a bullshit swimmer.
So I'm at the edge of the poolbut I'm drunk.
I'm talking to the girl.
She's laying on, uh, you know,the side of the pool, chilling.
I'm talking to her.
I go and I grab the side likethis, put my foot up on the edge
and kick back, do a couple backstrokes, like you.
Don't know what the fuck I'mdoing Now.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
see, I'm thinking you was going to say I was on the
edge of the pool and I wanted toget up out the pool.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I wish I would have did that.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You wanted to try to show off.
Yeah and don't know what thefuck I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Next thing I know I'm thinking that you was'm in the
deep end after I did this acouple times and I'm like, oh
shit.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
So you don't really, you're not really a swimmer.
You were in the deep end intothe pool trying to show off.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, and there's other Joes all out there
swimming having a good time andI sink like a rock, so I'm under
far to get to the edge.
I don't know what the fuck wasgoing on Panic sets in yeah
exactly.
So I'm like struggling and shityou know what I mean in the
bottom of the pool.
So I'm like, what the fuck am Idoing?
All I'm thinking in my head isall right, I'm going to fucking
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spring with all my strength as Ican.
I'm going to spring up.
Now, do I spring up?
This is what I was breath ofair to get my shit going or do I
scream help?
Once I break the water, I waslike fuck this.
I'm screaming help because I'mabout to die.
You know what I mean.
So I I gather all my strength,get low and bounce to try to
break.
Here's the top so you're on thefloor on the ground on the
(40:49):
bottom of the pool drowning likea.
I bounce with all my strengthto break the water hit with the
water hit with me.
I'm like, like, oh, I'm dead,I'm fucking dead.
And as a bullshit you, not mebeing at the bottom of that pool
I saw my mom watching the newsand on the news it was like a
soldier died today aftergraduating from boot camp and
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like I was on the news likefucking, I died, damn.
no, I was like no bullshit justlike you, basically like like
right now, just telling thestory my eyes, and like I get a
little hot, crazy like that.
Shit was crazy.
I was down there damn near dead.
Like, let's say, on a scale ofone and ten, when you hit zero
you're dead.
I probably was like.
I felt like I was like on athree or two or some shit.
Like it was a rat, it was adude, I didn't know him, but he
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was another joe that was therepartying with us.
He was was like I was on theside of the pool and I'm like
what the fuck is he doing downthere?
And he's like I saw you movingaround but you weren't coming up
.
I'm like, damn, this dude canreally hold his breath.
Good.
But then after a while I waslike what the fuck?
He ain't coming up.
And that's when he jumped inand grabbed me and he pulled me
out.
Everybody else still bouncingaround the pool, walking around
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the edges, drinking, having agood time.
He pulled me out Once hegrabbed me.
I'm like on him like this, butI'm like out of it a little bit.
He pulled me to the side.
I'm throwing up all this waterand shit like that.
Nobody even see me throwing up.
Nobody see me dying, so here'sthe question the girl that you
was talking under.
She just walked away.
Oh shit, she probably thought Iwas like fucking around and
(42:22):
shit.
You know what I mean.
But I'll tell you, like I wasabout to die when I was a kid I
had to be like my daughter's ageand my uncle told me to stay on
the steps.
They got a swimming pool.
You know how the steps go in,stay on the steps, but everybody
having a good time in the pool.
So I grabbed the edge and Istarted doing this shit.
You know how you hold the edgeand you're going around the pool
like that.
I guess my hand got tooslippery and I slipped under and
(42:44):
the same shit happened then.
I was under the pool and thenmy uncle fucking jumped in and
saved me and shit.
Like I still remember that shitand I was like fucking six when
that happened.
And then the other time Wasright after I graduated boot
camp the other time.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
My drowning was almost the same thing, but he
was just talking about the lastone.
We was in King Sessom Pool.
I talked about this on apodcast before, but you know how
the pools have drainage on topof it.
I don't even think pools havedrainage on top of it anymore.
I don't see them.
So when we was at the pool, wewould hang on the drainage and
go all across the pool orwhatever.
So all across the pool orwhatever.
(43:16):
So the guy I was with he waslike yo, you want to go around
on the pool.
We was little, I had to bearound about.
We was in camp, so I had to beabout seven, seven, eight, maybe
younger than that.
He was like you want to goaround.
He was the same age as I wastoo.
So he's like you want to goaround the pool.
I said, yeah, so we all goingaround the pool or whatever.
(43:39):
So we get on the deep end andthis girl jumps.
She's on top, she jumps.
She didn't notice we was there.
So she like kneed me in my head, damn, and I flew back like
this I flew back and I'm liketrying to grab the drain or
whatever.
I was way too far.
She just swam off and didn'tsee me.
So I had turned around andlooked for the lifeguard.
The lifeguard was like talkingto a girl or whatever.
(44:01):
So I'm like treading, likegoing down, going up, going down
, going up, and the guy see,when the guy he didn't see me,
when the girl hit me.
So as all that stuff was goingon, he kept going.
So I guess he looked and seenlike well, where is he at?
And he looked and seen that Iwas like damn, they're ready to
drown, or whatever.
He came back, he came back overand grabbed my hand and pulled
(44:23):
me over.
Yeah, yeah, I'll never forgetthat too.
That like so scared me becauseI'm like looking around, like
looking at the lifeguard, hetalking to somebody, I'm getting
water in my lungs and all thatstuff.
The girl she done swam off overor whatever.
I'm like oh man, this is it.
And just so happened my hand mylast time my hand was up like
that.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
He had grabbed my hand and had pushed me over if
everybody was on the samedrinking level I was on.
I probably would have died thatnight, but my man was paying
attention, he saw me down thereand she didn't fucking save me.
This was at night time.
No, this was probably, like Idon't know, four o'clock in the
afternoon it's funny, bodies ofwater will really like.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Will show you my brother I would think he's not
scared of nothing, marine, youknow what I mean.
But yeah, water, this guy islike it's ridiculous, like he's
like it's like a baby Still tothis day, like he doesn't mess
around with any sort of water.
So we went to Costa Rica.
I went there recently.
(45:20):
That's a beautiful spot, tooBeautiful, Real quick.
Monkeys up in the trees we hadlike these, like not tree houses
, but I guess little like villasright there and all these
monkeys and shit.
At nighttime I'd smoke acigarette, him and I would be
chopping it up, like talking,just like this.
Monkeys start tossing shitright at us like you just hear
these little, fucking littlebombs of shit just dropping
(45:41):
right like that you know tellingus basically to shut the fuck
up, like we're trying to getsome sleep right.
it's kind of crazy how smartthey are to throw things at like
they do a lot more smarterthings.
Anyhow, we were, uh, we wentout snorkeling and my brother
was all hammered for.
He's like yeah, man, I I'll bealright.
Life vest we had our life vests.
All you gotta do is basicallyfloat and look down and kind of
(46:02):
swim, you're not gonna drownbecause you got your life vest.
Man, this guy, as soon as hegets in the water, he just
panics, so bad it's like he he'sa whole different.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Did you have an attendant with you?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
They're not really like attendants.
The guy that I was with out inCroatia when I jumped in the
water, I had faith thismotherfucker knew what he was
doing.
I don't think he was just.
He wasn't just some Uber driver.
This dude was like a.
This dude knew everything aboutevery weapon.
He was a badass and spokecompletely proper English.
I think he was some sort oflike ex-Green Bray or some shit,
(46:38):
or Marine.
He did have a marine keychainwhich made no sense.
He said, oh, somebody gave thatto me, like I think it was
bullshitting, and he couldn'treally tell me what he did, but
regardless, I had faith that youknow if he's riding the
speedboat like this, whipping itlike this all fast and shit
like he knows what he's doingout here in the water.
These guys not we were like umon the way out to snorkeling.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Um, they're just guys that are locals.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
They just know a little bit about swimming but
anyhow, my brother, you neversee somebody so terrified man
before, like you would never seeit anywhere else.
But you get that man near water.
It's over.
The fear comes over him quickand it's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
But my daughter when she was two.
She was just learning, she wasjust learning, she just just
learned to walk and I put thebig pool up in the backyard.
It's probably like fucking.
You seen, when I had the poolup, I didn't put it up this year
.
Usually, somebody told us, thebest way when you have an
outdoor pool is to always takeit down, don't leave it up
(47:41):
because when you leave it up,finish the conversation on part
two with dan sensi.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Oh, you can reach the judgmentals on facebook, tiktok
, twitter and subscribe to ouryoutube at pno's judgmentals,
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Sorry, y'all have a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Most of y'all have a good one.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What's up everybody, welcome to the film.
We were the judgmental podcastsup everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This is boy Phil back in the house and I'm Leroy, so,
uh, we live the day.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We normally be recorded.
This is our first Guess in awhile, since your brother, right
?
Yeah, yeah.
So why don't you go over thereand introduce him?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'll introduce myself .
This is the Daily American.
I got the Daily Americanpodcast.
My name's Dan Cianci.
I've known Philly.
Phil probably like how long hasit been, I don't know, maybe
like 15 years, and you know, I'mjust meeting his cousin, leroy
and I was listening to hispodcast.
(00:51):
That's messed up.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
My young boy, leroy.
So what you got to say.
Where did you two meet?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah.
So I guess in 2010, I gotactive duty and Sergeant Mott
was there and you know I didn'tget along with many people in
the National Guard.
I got along with them in theNational Guard, but only a few I
could like vibe with, and youknow Sergeant Mott was one of
them.
And there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There definitely is a lot of dickheads and it's hard
to just relate and hang withsome of the dudes.
You just want to get your job,get the fuck out of it.
Then there's other dudes thatit's like oh, this dude is cool,
we can go get some drinks afterthis.
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I mean.
So you mean to say there's alot of guys that make shit
difficult when it don't have tobe Definitely 100%?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Y'all want to name them, or I think we did.
I did that on Me and Whippledid On one of the podcasts yeah,
you know, whipple.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, whipple.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Big old Whipple, yeah , we, yeah, he.
He went, boy we talked for likeI had to split that up In like
two episodes Cause we talked forAlmost like three hours, right
yeah, and that's all they weresitting there Doing, talking
about people, but I think he wasnaming names too.
Yeah, I don't be naming nameslike that, but whoop-a-whoop he
(02:08):
can give a shit I drop so manynames in my latest episodes
after my termination.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
but I usually wouldn't do that, but I
sometimes jacked out ofcharacter.
I married a couple people in mywhole company.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So what goes on on your podcast?
Daily American.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So pretty much, I started this podcast back in I
guess three years ago.
I started it I was sober, Iwasn't even taking prescriptions
.
No, weed alcohol, nothing.
I did that for one.
I said I want to be dead soberfor one year and I'm going to do
this race, this Spartan race,and then I'm going to start
(02:45):
getting banged up again.
But one night I was like fuck,I still was gambling.
Gambling is probably my biggestaddiction.
Always has been.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
How'd you start?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
gambling.
How I started.
We would play cards in thehouse against my brothers and
stuff for pennies, quarters,whatever, shoveling snow money,
cutting grass money.
I remember crying, leaving allpissed off.
My brother was just sittingthere smirking.
He didn't need the coin, but hewas teaching me a lesson and I
(03:18):
just didn't pick it up.
I never learned.
I guess going back five, six,seven, eight years old I'd take
the bus down to Atlantic Citywith my pops.
From where?
From Country Hocking.
Okay, yeah, the bus would runright through Country Hocking
and take us right down toAtlantic City.
And you know I wanted to gobecause I was getting out of the
house and I was hanging withDad why not?
(03:39):
And you know we'd get downthere.
Usually he hits the pawn shopfirst to get some, some, some
cash.
And he would, he, he did.
He always had a gold chain.
He would buy the gold chainback because he that was one of
his things he he liked.
He didn't really have anythingelse materialistic.
He liked this one gold chain sohe'd get some cash for it and
off we went to trump and youknow, as a kid you can't go on
(04:00):
the carpet back.
Then it's.
It was just a whole differentatmosphere.
Everybody's smoking in there.
You got the, you got the actualbuckets, uh, with the coins
coming in, and he would try tostay nearby.
But sometimes that machine justwasn't hitting so he just he'd
take off.
And I do remember being likecold as shit in the in the
casino and people walking bylike are you okay, young, are
you okay?
like it's like five hours it'slike five hours later it's like
(04:25):
six days later I got a bag ofDoritos as a peanut juice.
No, but, yeah, that's how Iguess I got it.
I have it in my blood.
They say addiction runs in thefamily.
I can attest to that.
My one brother pretends likehe's not the oldest because he's
an attorney and shit, but theother three of us are just
(04:50):
addicts.
Addicts, just different choicesof drugs.
I've done basically every drugand a whole lot of drinking, but
gambling has had the mostnegative impact on my life.
Now what type of games you playso it used to just see I was
anti-slots, just like I wasanti-cigarettes growing up,
(05:11):
because I used to be in the backof my pop's truck and try to
roll the window down, you chief,in there is cigarettes.
I'm getting ready to go to abasketball game or something.
Just get dropped off and it'ssmelling like, like smelling all
the smoke.
When I'm, you know, I need mylungs.
I used to be in the car likethis.
Now I smoke, you know, a half apack a day and I've been doing
that for like 10, 10 years.
(05:32):
Same thing with the game, but Ididn't like the slots.
Because of that, I stuck tosports.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
As I get older, though, man, these, these slots,
these slots have, they'redetrimental and, like we were
saying before earlier, plus ismore accessible now than it was
I was back then, because youjust mentioned atlanta city.
That was the only place that wecan gamble at now.
We got sugar house, chester and, most importantly, you can do
slots on your phone that's theworst part about it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
that's the worst part about it because, you know,
they just made this back in.
I think it was right around 17,18,.
They made the online gamblingaccessible through FanDuel.
There was only a couple of themback then, maybe FanDuel, and
then DraftKings or Parks poppedup.
Anyhow, I was doing all right,I had my own house, I was still
(06:18):
going back and forth with thegirl that I was seeing and
running with other chicks andstuff like that.
But bottom line is, I had ahouse, I had my vehicle, job was
all squared away.
And then them online, themonline fucking casinos came out.
Next thing, you know, my credit,my credit was like 750, 200
(06:38):
grand credit line.
Rack one, I racked one up afterthe other.
I got it up to like 173 and Iwas, I was in underwater.
So I had to, you know, kovu hadhad broken out and I had to,
you know, make some strategicmoves to to find a way to get,
to get out of this.
(06:59):
Or you know, I, I essentiallylost everything back then.
Um, so I filed the bankruptcy,I lost everything.
And then so I filed thebankruptcy, I lost everything,
and there I was building it backup, I was trying to build it
back up, moved to Florida withmy ex for a little bit.
When was this?
This was in 2000,.
Right after COVID broke out, wemoved to Florida, Okay yeah,
(07:21):
and you know, we were back andforth for a while.
I don't know if, did you evermeet Jackie?
She was cool.
She's married now.
I'm glad she's married.
She's married some crackhead,dude, dude, yo.
He's got 20 mug shots on Googlefor like felonies and shit.
I'm like nah, I'm not judging,maybe he did a state time and he
got out, but he looks like asquirrely crackhead.
(07:41):
Let me tell you that.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
So anyhow she just got married.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I couldn't get in touch with her.
I sent her a dollar on Venmo.
I said congratulations, I'mglad you're happy, and it was
genuine.
And then I was like let me knowwhen you get divorced, what
part of Florida was this?
Right near Tampa, lithia, oh,okay.
Yeah, well, I only know youfrom looking at what part of
Florida was this?
Right near Tampa, lithia, okay,fishhawk.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I only know you from looking at it on Instagram.
I don't remember here seeinganything about Florida on there.
You kept it up.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean, see, here's the thing.
Back then, well before thepodcast, I'd never posted on
social media, man, never.
I'd never posted anything.
I could be anywhere, nobodywould know anything, because I
wasn't about that life and I'mnot about that life now.
But when you make a commitmentto get some stories heard,
sometimes you just gotta rockand roll and post dumb shit,
(08:33):
post some things that maybe hita little bit.
It's a tough game but it's aconsistent.
I'm not consistent with itbecause I get in my head.
I worry about too much whatfucking other people think I
don't my head.
I worry about too much whatfucking other people think I
don't know why.
Right, they wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They wouldn't be alive today.
Well, my advice to you for thatis if you're worried about
consistent and getting in yourown head, then you should do a
whole lot at one time, so thatway you just cut it up into
different episodes, whatever.
So you do, let's just sayyou're normally by yourself,
right?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, no, whatever, so you do.
Let's just say like, so younormally by yourself, right?
Um, well, I no, not necessarily.
Sometimes when I'm being lazyI'm by myself.
I'm just by myself.
To tell you the truth, when I'mbeing lazy, I'm just by myself.
The episodes are probablyboring, but you know recordings.
I have five set up um on thatcalendar nonsense, calendly.
Five people set up.
Having guests on or findingguests is seamless.
(09:29):
People like to talk aboutthemselves.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Especially men, because we don't get a chance to
talk you know, regularly talkor anything.
So once you talk to a man likethat, they'll just want to give
you their whole life story andeverything.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, like I'm doing right now.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So yeah, just do like alright, just do like do an
interview and then just dosomething by yourself.
So that's two episodes Now twoweeks.
You don't have to do anything.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I will do that, you know what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
It's more so the other stuff, because people
don't just want to see.
I did this in the beginning, Iwas just posting podcast shit.
People don't just want to seepodcast shit.
First of all, a lot of peopledon't even listen to podcasts.
It doesn't matter how much theylike you, how much they follow
you on Instagram, how much theyengage with your stuff, they
(10:30):
with your stuff, they they justdon't like podcasting.
I happen to be one of them.
I never listen to podcasts.
I don't.
You got, I listened to yourguys a couple times, but not
like through and through.
I just it's not something thatI I was ever interested in,
right?
So it's like it's.
They want to see the bad, theother stuff like they.
They want to see like you, youknow whatever, playing
basketball, or like drinkingwith your boys or like dunce.
They just I think the, the, thepeople usually want to see like
that behind the scenes typeshit.
But that's just my opinion.
(10:52):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
no, you're right.
It's almost like do you want toread a book and do you want to
watch a movie?
You know what I mean, wherepeople rather sit on the ass and
watch a movie than read a book,yup, so would you rather watch
a movie or read a book.
I used to read a lot.
I don't read no more now Iwatch movies.
So here you go.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
What's the best book you ever read?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll tell you my favorite book, your favorite
book.
There you go, my favorite bookis the Long Walk by Stephen King
.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's fiction.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, it's about this town.
This town is like I guess theypoor, but every year they pick
kids.
That's, if you turn 18, you cansign up for the long walk.
So the long walk is they havelike rows of kids on both sides
of the street.
They have an army tank in themiddle and a kid that walks the
longest.
(11:42):
They walk through differenttowns.
All this shit.
The kids that make it to theend get like all these riches
and shit.
Fucking all this money ain'twalk through different towns.
All this shit.
The kids that make it to theend get like all these riches
and shit.
Fucking all this money ain'tgot to work again.
All this shit.
The kicker is on that tank.
There's two guys One guy facingthis way, one soldier facing
this way Got a fucking M16 inthe hand.
You stop walking.
You get a warning.
You know what I mean.
(12:02):
You got a warning.
You know what I mean.
You got a warning.
I think it's like five secondsor ten seconds or whatever.
Then you pick it back up and ifyou walk a certain amount of
distance, that warning will goaway.
But if you get three warnings,they blow your fucking head off.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
What was that other game, that Asian movie Battle
Royale?
No, not Battle Royale.
The other one, something game.
They were all in a prisonsomething game.
They were all in like a prisonbasically.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Oh, you're talking about the one that blew up At
the end?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No, I don't mean blew up?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh yeah, blew up.
Everybody started watching.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Oh, on Netflix the show, the TV show you're talking
about.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, what was?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
it called.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh my goodness, it was something games right no I
don't think it had games in itum, I'm thinking hunger games,
but not that I know I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, the game.
Yeah, I know what you'retalking about it was like that
kind of.
It seems like that a little bitwhen he was describing it, I
just automatically thought aboutthe hundred hunger games.
When, uh, you were breakingdown the whole story, because,
because I'm like, well, whatcame out first?
I know Battle Royal, hungerGames is like a remix of Battle
Royal.
Battle Royal is like a Koreanmovie.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And it was pretty much the same scenario as you
can work with.
I think it's like three or fourof them, but if you get a
chance, watch the first one.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, watch the first Battle.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Royal.
It's almost like it's whatHunger Games took from.
So I'm like wondering, likewhat came first?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
that book?
Of these two movies?
Probably the book?
Yeah, I would think so too.
Yeah, because the way you weredescribing it made me think
about the hunger games.
Yeah, well, you don't have tosign up, it's up to you if you
want to sign up.
But once you sign up, you'resigned up right.
I mean you just start walking.
So they kind of like follow,like certain characters in the
story.
They tell you like what's goingon with this guy's life, and
then he, he might see his buddyslack.
Yo, pick it up, come on, let'sgo like that.
You know what I mean.
And it kind of like cliffhangerat the end.
It was my favorite book and itstuck with me and I read it
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twice.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I usually don't read like thick books.
It had a little weight on it.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I've only read a couple.
Well, this is back when I firstjoined Job Corps.
Job Corps is kind of like theArmy setup, where you got the
dorms, you go to training allday and then you come back.
We didn't have all thetechnology you have now.
We didn't have TVs and shit.
You got a TV, one TV in the dayroom, but I think at 9 o'clock
they shut the day room down.
So now you're at your bump.
What you're gonna?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
do you're gonna pick up a book?
We didn't have phones.
You stay overnight in job corps.
Yeah, they have two differentones.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, so they have the one.
You go to like school every day.
You come home like they had onein philly.
I don't know if they still haveit or not, I don't think.
So yes, well, you come home.
You can come home.
The one I went to.
I went to virginia, in thefucking woods, middle of nowhere
.
So you don't come home, youstay there.
So one week you go to school,the next week you go to your
trade, and you just keep doingthat until you complete one or
(14:47):
the other.
Then, once you complete both,then you have to go through
driver's training.
You know what I mean.
You go through driver training,you get your license.
Then, once you completeeverything, they send two people
on the job.
So you complete.
Now you're waiting for somebodyelse in that field to complete
out every three.
Once he get everything complete, then they link y'all up.
Y'all too is going on a job.
It could be anywhere fucking inkentucky, they.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
As soon as you get there, they ship you, they ship
you out across the states.
Yeah, they can send youanywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The job is already yours, like you don't got to go
there, fill out no app and noneof this shit.
There's going to be aconstruction site that you're
already hired for.
They know you coming, they'regoing to make sure y'all have a
car and they're going to makesure you have an apartment when
you get there.
So you're not going aroundlooking for this shit as soon as
you get there, this is y'allcrib, this is y'all car, like
that type of shit.
(15:36):
So it's kind I was like 17, andI went for Brick Mason.
You know what I mean.
So I just had to wait foranother Mason to come along.
He came along and they linkedus up and they sent us in.
It was a small-ass, little hicktown called Colburn, virginia.
It was Colburn.
No, colburn is where Job Corpswas at.
What the fuck was it called?
It was another little townbecause Job Corps was in
(16:00):
Virginia.
They got us a job in Virginiatoo.
You know what I mean.
But it was another little smalltown and as soon as we went to
the website, they was like soyou're my two guys, hey, alright
, they're gonna pop on thebrakes, get to work.
You know what I mean.
It was like that and all theold heads.
They sit back drinking beerlistening to sports radio All
(16:20):
the young guys do most of thatcompany, so that company's going
to keep jobs.
They're going to keep thatmoney moving.
They're always building shit inthat city or wherever you go.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Oh, okay, I thought that was like the Job Corps you
work with them, but you weregetting paid through the Job
Corps.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, job Corps pay you, but they give you pennies,
so they give you.
Let's say, they give you.
I think it was like 25 bucksevery two weeks.
That's just spending money soyou can buy honey, buns and
fucking.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
It's almost like a per day PX shit.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
You buy a little bit of shit like that you know what
I mean and you're accumulatingmoney while you're there.
So if you complete Job Corps,there's money at the end of it
as long as you've been there.
They piled up for you.
That way they don't see you onthe job broke.
So you might have let's say, ifyou was there for a year, you
might have I don't know $5,000or something like that in the
(17:10):
bank waiting for you.
But you can't get it until youcomplete everything.
But that's what it is.
It depends on how long you is,the more money you have to hit.
So when I was in job court, Iprogram called the fire team but
you had to be like one of theelite guys there, like
physical-wise, you had to beable to run a certain amount,
carry a certain amount.
You had to be excelling in allyour training and in school,
like all these steps, you had tobe fucking above average to
(17:35):
join the fire team.
Once you join the fire teamthey give you fire gear, you go
through some small training andshit and then, when the alarm go
off, if you're on the fire team, throw your gear on, get out to
the main building becausethere's gonna be some buses to
pick you up.
You're going out, you'reputting out forest fires, right.
So I was like, oh shit, I needto do that.
So then that's when I startedfucking some people in job corps
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.
They don't want to complete job, because once you complete job
corps, you don't have that backand forth thing.
They'll tell you, once youcomplete job corps, if you want,
you can become a permanent fireteam member and that's all you
do is putting out forest firesand they pay you fucking good
money.
Like I said, I was like 17years old.
I was fucking at that timemaking probably more than I'm
making now.
You know what I mean and that'scrazy.
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That's like fucking 30 yearsago, but like fucking 30 years
ago.
You know what I mean, butthat's what they do.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I was doing a fire team and I was doing that shit
too, man, I was killing it,killing it.
Let me ask you something thefire team are these forest
firefighters just do they all gothrough Job Corps?
No, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
So they always need people on the fire team.
They have full timers that, sothey always need people on the
fire team they have full-timers.
That's what they do, but theystill don't have enough.
And by me doing it, that's whenI saw it.
Like, when you watch the newsin the summer, you always see
these forest fires and shit.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I swear to God that these guys are starting these
fires.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because this is how they pay the bills.
If there's no fires, how do youwork?
It's not like this is yoursecond job, you know what I mean
.
Or a side job, or hustle Maybesome people it is, but you have
people that's.
This is permanently what theydo.
They train firefighters to dothis, not firefighters like in
the city, but they train forestfirefighters to do this.
Right, and this is what they do.
And if you're in Virginia,you're putting out Virginia
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fires, or you might go toTennesseeucky, you might go to
west Virginia, whatever theyneed you at, that's where y'all
going, right, I mean so it is,and the money was money.
You know what I mean.
I think we did, uh, we workedlike maybe five days a week and
it was like over a thousanddollars after taxes.
You know so and you're andyou're 17.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I was 17.
Yeah, you're eating.
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I ain't had no bills, no kid, nothing.
You know what I mean.
How?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
long was uh like not not boot camp, but how long is
the initial staying in thebarracks with the dude?
How long did it take your boyto finish up, to get going?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, they try to find because there's so many
people there.
Let's say the class has 20people If I'm on level 5,
whoever else is on level 5, sothey're already in their mind
thinking like, okay, these arethe people that we can pair up
and as long as they keep moving,if somebody's still on level 1,
he's going gonna be stuck wayback on level one.
Keep fucking repeating andtrying to get it.
He just might be one of thoselittle brain motherfuckers that
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just take you over the line.
Some people's like that.
You know what I mean.
But as long as you're doingwhat you're doing like me
wanting to be on the fire team Icouldn't bullshit.
I have to be excelling what I'mdoing on my tree.
You know what I mean?
yeah, yeah, same with the dudeRay.
He's the guy that I went on thejob with.
He was on the fire team.
He was making sure Like heready to get the fuck out of job
court.
He been there too long.
He need somebody else to speedup their shit to catch up with
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him.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He wants a full-time gig.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
He wants to be a full-time.
He wants to For a gig, no, no,on a fucking job he wants to be.
He went to be a Mason, a cementMason.
He wants to go get a job as acement Mason and start his life.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
He was a little bit older than me.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
He probably was like 18 or 19.
But it was nobody close on hislevel yet he was probably almost
complete.
They even pushed me faster thanwhat I was supposed to be
because I was a quick learner.
I wasn't fully complete.
I wasn't fully complete, let'ssay, is ten levels to be
complete?
I was probably on level sevenwhen he graduated.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
How long does that take the job for?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
yeah, just just a level yeah, it all depends on
the person.
If you a quick learner, if theysay, build this wall or do this
or do this, and everybody haslike a platform in front of you
got to mix this, you gotta doeverything.
You got to mix this.
Well, you do have people that'sjust going to job.
For what are they calledLaborers?
You have just laborers.
(21:27):
So if you have laborers there,they'll mix the cement.
Do all that for you.
You just do your measurements,do your cutting your blocks and
doing your stacking.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I guess what I'm asking is from the initial time
you flew to you said Virginia,Virginia, To get to your first
job.
How long were you?
In that, I would probably sayLike a couple weeks, or like a
few months.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I would probably say close to a year, damn.
Damn, that's a while Wellbecause I dropped out of school.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
So I also had to get my diploma.
You know what I mean.
So I had to do.
You don't have to do both.
Some people come to Job Corpsalready finished high school, so
then they just focus on thattrade.
So if you're spending everyweek on your trade, you're going
to graduate faster.
You know what I mean.
If you're a dumb motherfuckerand they got to drag you along
to get you school and this shit,you know what I mean.
So what you want, in a perfectworld you'll have your school
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and your trade lined up together.
If I'm getting B's in my trade,I'm getting A's or B's in
school, Not you fucked up on one, but you're excelling on the
other, Because then you're goingshit ain't lined up right.
Or, like I said, if yougraduated high school and you
went to Job Corps, then you canjust do your trade and get the
fuck up out of there.
But now if you're on the fireteam and you're getting that
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$1,000, now you kind of want tocut back a little bit because
you don't want to leave jobcourt too soon and you don't
want to just stay in Virginia ona fire team.
So you want to try to doubledip.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
You know what I mean.
Got you, got you.
So saying to be a full-timefirefighter wasn't something you
wanted to do, but if you wantedto, you could have did that.
I could have done that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Because they always wanted.
It was weird because when wewent on the fire team, it was
dangerous too, because we'reright in the mix of shit, I had
a fucking bag Ghostbusters Kindof.
It was like a flame drop bag, soit's like some fuel in there
and I got a hose on it and it'sdropping fire.
(23:19):
When I push the button it dropslittle fireballs like that.
You know what I mean.
So as the fire is coming, let'ssay the fire is coming like
this, so the fire is coming thisway.
We got to cut the fire off, soI'm starting the fire over here
and when this fire meets thatfire it'll burn itself out.
There's nothing left.
You know what I mean.
But that's dangerous because Igot the bag.
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So if the fire's coming thisway, I don't want to like burn
up a whole bunch of unnecessaryland.
So I want to get close as I can.
And once you start gettingclose you start fucking sweating
.
You like getting paranoid andI'm a fucking young dude.
So I see this fucking fire onblaze in the forest.
I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
so I'm all like this with my joint I'm dropping it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But I'm scared as shit.
You know what I mean.
But that's what you're doing.
And then, once you have thatfire there, they spread the
soldier I said soldier, theyspread the dudes out so far
apart.
And then you sit thereovernight and just watch the
fire line and let's say, this isthe fire line that we built
right here.
And you have shovels, you haveaxes.
All you're doing is digging inthe dirt, pushing the old grass
(24:19):
away.
Then you're sitting on itovernight to make sure no
fucking ashes and timber crossover, because then it'll start
to fire.
So then you sit on it overnightand once it's out, it's out.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, I don't know how many people know you do hear
like fire with fire, but Ididn't.
I'm just thinking you're outthere with water.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
We don't have no water.
Yeah that's crazy.
We got shovels, axe, and we'rebuilding a fire line and then
certain people have that fuckingbag that I had to help start
the fire.
You know what I mean.
So if we build the line let'ssay we build the fire line right
here we're going to start ourfire drip line up here, you know
what I mean?
And then everybody's going tosit back here and make sure and
base off of windage though.
(24:56):
Right, right, you know what Imean.
And then you have thehelicopters that fly over these,
fucking open up the buckets,drop this slime shit.
You want to make sure you clearthat shit.
They say it burn.
I don't fucking know because Idon't be around that shit, but
when they they let whoever thehead guy is know okay, they
about to make a drop, pull back,everybody pull back.
So we pull back.
And then you see thehelicopters open the thing up on
(25:16):
the bottom and you see all thisshit fall down.
There's like some wet, slimyshit.
That kind of help put the firearound.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
See, I thought that was water, but no, it's not.
No, it's some other shit.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, it was deep and , like I said, it was an
eye-opening experience for me.
Being like 17 from the hood Ijust was trying to get money and
I was just like everybody saidthis what I the guys in job
career was getting a lot ofmoney.
They told me that's what I needto do.
I met this guy when I firstwent to job car I was scared to
shit because I was 17, I ain'tknow nobody from the city, I
ain't never been outside ofphilly you know what I mean.
And uh, I met this guy.
(25:45):
I swear to god he looked likejay-z funny looking ass dude,
but he was cool as shit, likehow jay-z cool kind of.
You know what I mean earlyjay-z, not jay-z now yeah, yeah,
yeah, I mean he was like that.
He was so laid back.
His name was davir, he was fromphilly, so he was like oh, oh,
what's up?
Phil, you know what I mean.
You from Philly, I'm a man,this, and that you know what I
mean.
So he pretty much took me underhis wing and he used to sell
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snacks, all this shit, becauseit was like in the military, you
know how you eat dinner at like4.30?
Come 8, 9 o make their foodruns.
They let him go.
And then he'd buy like fuckingcases of honey buns, cases of
oodles, of noodles, all thisshit.
He'd put it in his locker andthen he'd sell it Double the
(26:29):
price.
So this is back in the day.
But one pack of noodles youprobably can get a fucking box
of noodles with like 20 packsfor like three bucks or
something.
One pack of noodles he wouldsell for a dollar.
And then people, and if you'relike man, I ain't got it, don't
worry about it, I'll put youdown for a dollar 25.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Here you go, just catch you on page Now.
You sound like jail Yo.
That's what I said.
That's how he was.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So he even was selling like fucking shots.
You had shots of liquor and hewas selling shots for $5 a pop
man.
I ain't got no followers, don'tworry about it, I'll put you
down for $6.
You know what I mean?
Just see me on payday.
Then on payday, everybody inline getting their little $25.
He's right on the sideline theyfucking breaking him off.
He was killing the game, but hewas like Phil.
(27:11):
I don't really want to sell thefood.
I ain't know nobody.
I'm like what the fuck?
I'm like fucking wet behind theears.
I don't know what the fuck isgoing on.
I'm a little dude.
I'm only like fucking 130pounds.
He's like fucking tall.
He got fucking dudes and shit.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
He's the enforcer.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
now he was like.
He was like.
He was like I'm gonna startselling weed and drinks food.
I was like what I'm like?
Alright, I don't know how hegot it, but he would sell weed
but not baggies.
He would roll up and just sellJ's.
And I think he was selling themthings for like 10 or 20 bucks
or something crazy, for just oneJ.
(27:46):
You know what I mean.
So that's what he was focusingon.
So I had the food.
But now he was like I'm goingto show you how to do it this
payday.
So I was killing it.
You know what I mean.
I was getting my Job Corpsmoney, my fire team money and my
hustle money from selling food.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know what I mean I was killing it?
Yeah, you got contact becauseI'm going to Job Corps.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yo, I'm telling you, man, that shit was sweet.
This was back in the day,though, but me being so smart
and not know nobody if somebodypayday rolled around, yo man, I
ain't got it.
I'll catch you next time.
I'm like what the fuck Now?
What do I do?
Now?
I'm like a fucking bitch,because this dude bigger than me
probably can whoop my ass andthat's another thing.
In Job Corps, when I went to JobCorps, I just thought it was
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going to be a lot of people likeme, young dudes that are just
trying to find their way, sentto job corps.
It was like you going to jobcorps, you're going to jail,
type motherfuckers.
So these was like knuckleheadsin the streets, always getting
into fights, breaking into cars.
Like all these knuckleheads inhere I'm going, not a bad dude,
like almost a square, not reallya square, but not a bad dude,
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and I'm here with all thesedudes.
You know what I mean.
So you know what I mean.
When, when a couple guys maybetwo or two didn't pay me on
payday, devere was like yo, dideverybody square up with you.
I was like nah, such and suchtold me he going to pay me next
payday.
Nah, today is payday.
Hold up.
(29:09):
When it found a dude, yoked himup, came back and dude was like
here you go, phil.
Made the dude pay me back.
I was like, all right, go Phil.
Like made the dude pay me back.
I was like, oh, all right, youknow what I mean.
I ain't got a fucking becauseI'm sweating like damn.
You know how you get themindset that this dude burned me
and everybody thinking thateverybody going to start burning
me and shit.
Don't punch him in his head.
But if I punch him in his headI'll probably get beat up.
(29:33):
So it's like when you're acriminal and somebody burns you,
what do you do?
Right, right.
So I just when the very act, Ijust told him the truth and then
he fucked, yoked the dude upand the dude paid me, and then I
had no problems with it afterthat.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Now, why did you leave Job Corps?
I completed it, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
All right.
I thought it was um, waitingtoo long, we're just gonna pass
you through.
I'm like whoa, whoa, I'm onlyon seven, I ain't advanced.
I ain't hit my whole check.
Don't worry about it, you'lllearn that on the job.
That's what he told me, so Iwas like all right and that was
the first.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
No, I was a different job that was event me, okay,
okay okay, got you the.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Uh fire.
Shit was like a bonus that youcan do while you're in Job Corps
Got you got you Unless youdecide you want to do that full
time and then once you do that,you see all these different
people and they say the one ruleI got to say is don't speak to
the Native women, don't saynothing to them, don't look at
them, because those dudes willfuck you up, they'll cut you,
they'll beat your ass if you'relooking at their women.
(30:37):
So that kind of stuck to heart,because then you see all these
burly-ass Indian like NativeAmerican Indian women with fire
suits on and some of them'slooking good, some of them's
just looking like rough-assdudes.
But you try to stay focusedbecause you see these
motherfuckers.
They all look crazy.
All the guys, the Indian.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Why is the majority of them Indian?
Is there like a reservation outthere?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Maybe I don't know, I was too young to understand.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, that's wild though, right I?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
mean I'm not saying a majority of them was, but it
was a lot that was there.
I mean it was a lot of whitedudes.
It was like older black dudes,older white guys, younger white
dudes.
So we all was there, but theone rule they kept saying that
stuck in my head was don't messwith them.
Indian women, now I don't know,baby them guys.
They take that shit personal.
You saying something to themgirls?
I just was like all right.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, I mean, we essentially took like their
entire native land.
They're probably a littlepissed off about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
But they'll probably give me a little bit of leeway
not to, because I hate that shit.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying?
I'm saying, yeah, speaking ofthat, dan, you're a world
traveler, right?
What place have you been?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I wouldn't say yeah, I mean I've traveled around a
bit, but you know I'm not goodat like being real, you know I
get all banged up when I'm outthere, so I don't remember
everything.
But I've gone to Iceland, whichwas pretty cool.
You know the Caribbean aroundthe United States a little bit,
but there's so much to see hereyou could literally just get in
a vehicle.
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I was thinking about doing it.
Now I have a little bit of timejust hopping in the vehicle and
traveling all around the US,because there's so many spots,
man, especially mid-summer.
But also, like Smyrna, I wentto Italy a couple times that's
where my father was born.
Ireland a couple times.
Croatia, that's where my fatherwas born.
Ireland a couple times Croatia,which was crazy, which was cool
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Budapest.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
First thing about you .
First you say well, I haven'tbeen to that many places.
Right now you're running offall these other places, right,
yeah I?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
haven't been to many places, but I've been to Iceland
.
Oh, I've been to Italy.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Traveling, especially alone, like it's like a ride,
it's like it's like a, like a,like a roller coaster.
And I don't know if it's justme, but I remember going to
croatia and sitting down at thistable.
I stayed in an airbnb andthey're pulling, they're pulling
the fish right out of the water, which is right where that
arcade machine is, and just sopeaceful, just Adriatic City,
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just beautiful.
They don't speak much English.
I obviously don't understandtheir native language, but I
could still understand.
They were just trying to feedme and make me feel like I was
exactly at home.
It was crazy, crazy bottles ofwine.
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And they've been through somewars over there uh, croatia
against, you know, the serbs, Iguess, back in the soviet union.
I don't know too much about itall, but you know you could tell
some of the guys at the tablethey've been through some shit,
like during that war, but uh,yeah, it was just like emotional
, like I just remember breaking,like I was in tears after
dinner, just like so grateful.
You go there by yourself andthis is how you get treated.
These people don't know me, youknow, but I guess they could
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sense that you know I'm an allright dude and I would do the
same if they were, if they wereat my place, you know.
So it's cool.
It's cool traveling and then,like you know, obviously getting
banged up and doing dumb.
And you know, luckily I gotsomebody getting.
If I got a fight out in, uh,croatia I thought I was fighting
against the serbs.
My uber driver was croatian,he's cool, he was a carpenter
(34:11):
and he took me on his boat andstuff his speed boat around the
islands.
Um, what's that do with longhair?
Jaroletto, his, one of hisislands was right there does all
sorts of weird shit on there.
He said, like we drove right byit, like that dude's, like a
weirdo, yeah, all sorts likeseances and shit, I hear.
But anyhow, besides that, um,yeah, the fight.
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So I got a little scuffle.
I was all banged up at thisclub.
So many people Pop's charm Ionly had one Gets ripped off in
the fight.
The charm falls out.
I stayed at that place.
I slept there.
I slept there on the bench atthat place.
I wasn't leaving without this.
I got the chain.
I was digging through all thedrains.
(34:55):
It could have been shit inthere.
I wasn't know.
It could have been shit inthere.
Whatever, I wasn't leaving.
I woke up the next day, gave mesome water because, like, the
cleaning people were there andshit, I go shower.
My Uber driver picks me up.
He's like man, that thing'sgone.
I wouldn't even worry about it.
I was like no, I'll get it back.
I knew it was coming, I knew Iwas going to get it.
(35:17):
I go back that day he takes me.
No luck.
But I left my name, my number.
I said I'll pay whoever youknow if somebody finds it.
I knew somebody had it, thatwas there, and they know each
other.
You know what I mean, whatever.
So three days later I get likea Facebook message from this
girl and she said she had it.
She wasn't expecting any moneyor anything.
(35:41):
I obviously gave her a big tipfor whoever had it.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I got it back, but just dumb shit like that.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
What's your favorite place that I've been to ever?
Probably See.
I like peace and quiet when I'mtraveling.
I would say you know what?
I don't even think.
You know what the true answeris, Leroy, it doesn't matter
where you are when it comes toyour mindset and your heart and
your happiness.
Right Like I could be here.
I'm happier here today, aftergambling away basically
(36:09):
everything, than I was when Ihad tons of money just chilling
and I could have gone anywherein the world, and it's just like
the way it is.
I think sometimes I don't thinkbeing at one place is like that
place is the best place I'veever been.
I think it's a combination ofeverything.
If I had to think back to myhappiest moment, I don't know.
There are some cool places andCroatia is probably tops them
(36:32):
all because there was a lot ofpeace in the countryside.
Adriatic Sea is beautiful,except don.
There was a lot of peace in thecountryside Right yeah.
Adriatic Sea is beautiful,except don't get bit Baptized.
My Uber driver on his boatthat's what he called it,
because I'm not a big swimmer,so we would just park the boat
and jump in.
It's very.
(36:53):
I don't know if it's soluble orinsoluble, but whatever makes
you naturally float.
So it's either really salty ornot salty I don't know which one
, but I think it's not salty atall and it naturally makes you
float to the surface.
So you don't really got to bethat good of a swimmer, right?
So he parks the boat, probablylike a football field, 100 yards
(37:17):
, what's that?
300 meters away from the land,basically.
So he's like come on, we'll swimover here I'm like all right,
like I'm not a good swimmer, Icould probably make this though.
So I made it to the land on theway back, this dude just like
dives in like he's a fish.
There's like rocks right therelike like he, perfect, and I'm
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like I'm walking.
Well, that was a bad idea,because he told me about these
little sea sea urchins.
I'll show you pictures later,but basically they had like
these porcupines all on theserocks and you know, they're not
like.
It's not like a perker, they'relike a perker bush, but
stronger, and they're in there.
They go all the way in.
(37:59):
So they're like the prickerbushes, but they go underneath
your skin completely whereyou've got to dig them out.
Oh shit, yeah.
So I basically slipped on a rocktrying to swim.
I slipped on a rock, I wasstill standing, and then I just
dove.
I dove directly into more ofthose little urchins, made it
back to the boat, your hands.
He was like yeah, you gotbaptized, you're officially one
(38:21):
of us.
That's what he told me.
He was laughing and cracking up.
My hands were like are you surethis is all right?
My hands are all swelling upand shit Does it hurt.
Painful, it's all in the nerves, but you know it was all right.
His mother was actually diggingsome of them out.
I got a video of it Diggingthem out, but she couldn't get
them all.
The last one came out probablylike six months after I got back
(38:41):
.
Eventually it stopped hurting,but you could still tell
something's in there because ofthe nerves.
Right, I'll show you guyspictures.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was vicious, but don't do that.
See, I don't know if I wouldeven swim.
I don't like swimming either.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Because I never did growing up, so I'm not
comfortable, right.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
You a swimmer.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
No, I can get by.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I almost died a couple times I don't fucking
wear them.
Army shit.
We graduated.
When we graduated boot camp, wehad like A little two day pass
or whatever.
You know what I mean.
And so we was like, oh, I'llget a hotel, get a hotel, and
shit, we got we the hotel.
Get a hotel, and shit we got.
We got.
Uh, chicks all at the hotel,everybody's there.
You know what I mean?
Chilling and shit.
I'm at the edge of the poollike this.
(39:22):
We all drinking and shit andI'm a bullshit swimmer.
So I'm at the edge of the poolbut I'm drunk.
I'm talking to the girl.
She's laying on, uh, you know,the side of the pool, chilling.
I'm talking to her.
I go and I grab the side likethis, put my foot up on the edge
and kick back, do a couple backstrokes, like you.
Don't know what the fuck I'mdoing Now.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
see, I'm thinking you was going to say I was on the
edge of the pool and I wanted toget up out the pool.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I wish I would have did that.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You wanted to try to show off.
Yeah and don't know what thefuck I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Next thing I know I'm thinking that you was'm in the
deep end after I did this acouple times and I'm like, oh
shit.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
So you don't really, you're not really a swimmer.
You were in the deep end intothe pool trying to show off.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, and there's other Joes all out there
swimming having a good time andI sink like a rock, so I'm under
far to get to the edge.
I don't know what the fuck wasgoing on Panic sets in yeah
exactly.
So I'm like struggling and shityou know what I mean in the
bottom of the pool.
So I'm like, what the fuck am Idoing?
All I'm thinking in my head isall right, I'm going to fucking
(40:27):
spring with all my strength as Ican.
I'm going to spring up.
Now, do I spring up?
This is what I was breath ofair to get my shit going or do I
scream help?
Once I break the water, I waslike fuck this.
I'm screaming help because I'mabout to die.
You know what I mean.
So I I gather all my strength,get low and bounce to try to
break.
Here's the top so you're on thefloor on the ground on the
(40:49):
bottom of the pool drowning likea.
I bounce with all my strengthto break the water hit with the
water hit with me.
I'm like, like, oh, I'm dead,I'm fucking dead.
And as a bullshit you, not mebeing at the bottom of that pool
I saw my mom watching the newsand on the news it was like a
soldier died today aftergraduating from boot camp and
(41:10):
like I was on the news likefucking, I died, damn.
no, I was like no bullshit justlike you, basically like like
right now, just telling thestory my eyes, and like I get a
little hot, crazy like that.
Shit was crazy.
I was down there damn near dead.
Like, let's say, on a scale ofone and ten, when you hit zero
you're dead.
I probably was like.
I felt like I was like on athree or two or some shit.
Like it was a rat, it was adude, I didn't know him, but he
(41:35):
was another joe that was therepartying with us.
He was was like I was on theside of the pool and I'm like
what the fuck is he doing downthere?
And he's like I saw you movingaround but you weren't coming up
.
I'm like, damn, this dude canreally hold his breath.
Good.
But then after a while I waslike what the fuck?
He ain't coming up.
And that's when he jumped inand grabbed me and he pulled me
out.
Everybody else still bouncingaround the pool, walking around
(41:57):
the edges, drinking, having agood time.
He pulled me out Once hegrabbed me.
I'm like on him like this, butI'm like out of it a little bit.
He pulled me to the side.
I'm throwing up all this waterand shit like that.
Nobody even see me throwing up.
Nobody see me dying, so here'sthe question the girl that you
was talking under.
She just walked away.
Oh shit, she probably thought Iwas like fucking around and
(42:22):
shit.
You know what I mean.
But I'll tell you, like I wasabout to die when I was a kid I
had to be like my daughter's ageand my uncle told me to stay on
the steps.
They got a swimming pool.
You know how the steps go in,stay on the steps, but everybody
having a good time in the pool.
So I grabbed the edge and Istarted doing this shit.
You know how you hold the edgeand you're going around the pool
like that.
I guess my hand got tooslippery and I slipped under and
(42:44):
the same shit happened then.
I was under the pool and thenmy uncle fucking jumped in and
saved me and shit.
Like I still remember that shitand I was like fucking six when
that happened.
And then the other time Wasright after I graduated boot
camp the other time.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
My drowning was almost the same thing, but he
was just talking about the lastone.
We was in King Sessom Pool.
I talked about this on apodcast before, but you know how
the pools have drainage on topof it.
I don't even think pools havedrainage on top of it anymore.
I don't see them.
So when we was at the pool, wewould hang on the drainage and
go all across the pool orwhatever.
So all across the pool orwhatever.
(43:16):
So the guy I was with he waslike yo, you want to go around
on the pool.
We was little, I had to bearound about.
We was in camp, so I had to beabout seven, seven, eight, maybe
younger than that.
He was like you want to goaround.
He was the same age as I wastoo.
So he's like you want to goaround the pool.
I said, yeah, so we all goingaround the pool or whatever.
(43:39):
So we get on the deep end andthis girl jumps.
She's on top, she jumps.
She didn't notice we was there.
So she like kneed me in my head, damn, and I flew back like
this I flew back and I'm liketrying to grab the drain or
whatever.
I was way too far.
She just swam off and didn'tsee me.
So I had turned around andlooked for the lifeguard.
The lifeguard was like talkingto a girl or whatever.
(44:01):
So I'm like treading, likegoing down, going up, going down
, going up, and the guy see,when the guy he didn't see me,
when the girl hit me.
So as all that stuff was goingon, he kept going.
So I guess he looked and seenlike well, where is he at?
And he looked and seen that Iwas like damn, they're ready to
drown, or whatever.
He came back, he came back overand grabbed my hand and pulled
(44:23):
me over.
Yeah, yeah, I'll never forgetthat too.
That like so scared me becauseI'm like looking around, like
looking at the lifeguard, hetalking to somebody, I'm getting
water in my lungs and all thatstuff.
The girl she done swam off overor whatever.
I'm like oh man, this is it.
And just so happened my hand mylast time my hand was up like
that.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
He had grabbed my hand and had pushed me over if
everybody was on the samedrinking level I was on.
I probably would have died thatnight, but my man was paying
attention, he saw me down thereand she didn't fucking save me.
This was at night time.
No, this was probably, like Idon't know, four o'clock in the
afternoon it's funny, bodies ofwater will really like.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Will show you my brother I would think he's not
scared of nothing, marine, youknow what I mean.
But yeah, water, this guy islike it's ridiculous, like he's
like it's like a baby Still tothis day, like he doesn't mess
around with any sort of water.
So we went to Costa Rica.
I went there recently.
(45:20):
That's a beautiful spot, tooBeautiful, Real quick.
Monkeys up in the trees we hadlike these, like not tree houses
, but I guess little like villasright there and all these
monkeys and shit.
At nighttime I'd smoke acigarette, him and I would be
chopping it up, like talking,just like this.
Monkeys start tossing shitright at us like you just hear
these little, fucking littlebombs of shit just dropping
(45:41):
right like that you know tellingus basically to shut the fuck
up, like we're trying to getsome sleep right.
it's kind of crazy how smartthey are to throw things at like
they do a lot more smarterthings.
Anyhow, we were, uh, we wentout snorkeling and my brother
was all hammered for.
He's like yeah, man, I I'll bealright.
Life vest we had our life vests.
All you gotta do is basicallyfloat and look down and kind of
(46:02):
swim, you're not gonna drownbecause you got your life vest.
Man, this guy, as soon as hegets in the water, he just
panics, so bad it's like he he'sa whole different.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Did you have an attendant with you?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
They're not really like attendants.
The guy that I was with out inCroatia when I jumped in the
water, I had faith thismotherfucker knew what he was
doing.
I don't think he was just.
He wasn't just some Uber driver.
This dude was like a.
This dude knew everything aboutevery weapon.
He was a badass and spokecompletely proper English.
I think he was some sort oflike ex-Green Bray or some shit,
(46:38):
or Marine.
He did have a marine keychainwhich made no sense.
He said, oh, somebody gave thatto me, like I think it was
bullshitting, and he couldn'treally tell me what he did, but
regardless, I had faith that youknow if he's riding the
speedboat like this, whipping itlike this all fast and shit
like he knows what he's doingout here in the water.
These guys not we were like umon the way out to snorkeling.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Um, they're just guys that are locals.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
They just know a little bit about swimming but
anyhow, my brother, you neversee somebody so terrified man
before, like you would never seeit anywhere else.
But you get that man near water.
It's over.
The fear comes over him quickand it's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
But my daughter when she was two.
She was just learning, she wasjust learning, she just just
learned to walk and I put thebig pool up in the backyard.
It's probably like fucking.
You seen, when I had the poolup, I didn't put it up this year
.
Usually, somebody told us, thebest way when you have an
outdoor pool is to always takeit down, don't leave it up
(47:41):
because when you leave it up,finish the conversation on part
two with dan sensi.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
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, twitter and subscribe to ouryoutube at pno's judgmentals,
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Sorry, y'all have a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Most of y'all have a good one.
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