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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're still here, we're still hashing out some
philosophical conversations,we're talking about religion and
religion stuff, and G just saidhe literally just said that
religion you know he doesn't.
He believes, he has full faithin Jesus Christ and his second
coming, absolutely unwaveringsecond coming and and absolutely
(00:26):
unwavering, unwavering,unwavering was was the word and
uh, and.
But here's the thing, gee, letme ask you a question.
This is a tough question, thisis I ask myself this all the
time.
So the say say you know, uh,your neighbor, whatever, uh, he,
he prays to his God.
Now I, I hit my knees everymorning.
I, I asked for God's, will notmine to be done?
Now, I hit my knees everymorning, I ask for God's, will
not mine to be done?
And sometimes I thank him atnight and then maybe think on
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him during the day if I listento something or watch something
on TV, blah, blah, blah.
But say the guy next door, sayhe was born in wherever Turkey
and he's a practicing peaceful.
And I'm not saying and you know, I am saying a peaceful, yeah,
(01:10):
I am saying a peaceful Muslimwho prays to his God seven to
ten times a day, but he meansnothing besides peace and good
intentions and we don't know aman's heart.
But from your perspective, theneighbor, or from my perspective
, the neighbor.
But from your perspective, theneighbor, or from my perspective
, the neighbor, he's got astronger relationship, from what
it looks like, with his Godthan we do our God.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's not a stronger relationship, Dan, it's more
obedience to his religion.
Okay, so the relationship withGod has nothing to do with
religion.
God never came down and saidyou will be Catholic or you will
be Muslim.
Jesus never said you will beany of these things.
He said seek and you shall find.
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So as long as you're seeking,as long as your faith in God
above is unwavering.
Which it is.
You truly, truly believe andyou you honestly see.
Whenever I look for something,it takes me a long time to find
it because I'm stubborn and Iand I picked through stupid shit
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in my head that I probablyshouldn't.
You know, and I'm not gonna bethe picture-perfect disciple of
Christ, but I will always letsomebody know that I'm a
follower of Jesus Christ.
I will screw up.
Even if you look at all thedifferent disciples that Christ
has had throughout the years,they've all had different
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aspects of their personalitythat didn't quite fit in any
modern day religion.
There was always something thatwas a little bit off with a
little bit bit of all of them.
But God or Jesus.
God and Jesus wanted peoplefrom different walks of life,
because someone like me isn'tgonna resonate as much with
somebody who's been raised in astrict Catholic faith.
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Or if, if you go and try topreach what you know about Jesus
to your Muslim neighbor, is hegoing to hear you?
But if you have another Muslimneighbor on the other side who
was Muslim but through constantseeking and constant striving to
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come closer to God, he foundhimself, jesus Christ, and he
realized that he's through Jesushe'd grown closer and closer
and closer to God.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, I guess where I get to, where sometimes I get
confused, so I shouldn't sayunwavering.
I think I'm a firm believerthat my pathway to paradise is
through Jesus Christ, howeverRight that my pathway to to
paradise is through jesus christ, however right and it says you
know only only I think.
Once in the new testament doesjesus say I'm the truth, the way
in the life.
Nobody comes to the fatherexcept through me.
(03:54):
Now, with translations andafter translations, I think
personally I think man'scorrupted religion period period
, especially organized religion,man has corrupted it.
Jesus also stated wherever twoor more are there speaking my
name, I'm with them.
That's the church of.
Jesus Christ.
You and I doing this right nowis the church of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
He is with us Exactly Right now.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yep, exactly 100%.
The problem I see with other—ornot with other or not problem
but the the, the confusion thatsets in sometimes is like, say
the Hindus, the Indians?
Right, they believe in allthese different gods, a God
Shiva, a God for this, a God forthat, semi similar to the
saints and the Catholicorganization.
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Now, some say they don'tworship or idolize them.
But the Catholic church is oneof the most corrupt
organizations there is on earth.
It's the mafia.
It's the mafia and they have acrucifix or a cross around their
neck.
Um, but I guess what I'm gettingat is like, sometimes, even at
a very young age I was like fouror some.
Should I ask my mom what likereincarnation was?
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I have no idea how I thoughtabout that back then, but I had
thought that I had already beenhere before.
That's my first early, that'slike my earliest memory as a kid
.
But you know, reincarnation,the interpretation of the Bible,
the Old and New Testament,there's so many different ways
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that you can perceive it.
Sometimes I think when we dieis when we see Jesus.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Right, no, you're right, you're right, but again,
you said it yourself like it'sthe interpretation of that.
God never told us to takesomebody else's interpretation
as our truth.
Right, we're supposed to takeall the experiences well, well,
that's, that's perfect.
Take the experiences you getfrom everybody around you,
whether it's's me or Luke fromthe Bible, matthew from Abraham,
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everybody throughout the Bible.
Take their experiences, takeeverything they offer you seek
more, because there's alwaysmore.
The Bibles have even beenmanipulated.
Just take the Old Testament,just take the.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
King.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
James Version.
Yeah, king James versus NewInternational, the way they
speak is completely different.
They translate the wordsdifferently in just those
versions.
So if this has been translatedand translated and translated
over 2,000 years, it's alldifferent.
So, seek, get your owninterpretation, but don't push
away Even your Muslim brotherfrom across the street.
(06:27):
Listen to what he has to say,of course.
Hear him, ask him to hear whatyou have to say, and that itself
is seeking.
That's you reaching out to god,saying I'm looking for you
where our hands are up, where dowe go?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
yeah, yeah, no, you're right, yeah, I always um,
I mean, I try to always.
I think it's just natural who Iam, that I I like to hear other
people's perspectives,especially when it comes to very
important topics like the twoyou're not ever supposed to talk
to in a professional setting,or you know, you know how people
are.
But politics and religion, Imean those two, those are the
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only things I I politics, I'mnot as interested in, because I
understand that again, just likeman corrupted these books with
translations and they left booksout.
And there was a and there was12.
There was like, not 12, theyweren't the disciples, but they
were these appointed men in thecatholic church, before the
catholic church, to to decidewhat books do we keep, what
books do we leave out of theBible, and it's just like.
(07:25):
But like you were saying withTrump, just like you were saying
with Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
They have their own opinions and their own agendas.
So, yes, they're seeking God,but they're also.
Even if you were having aconversation with God right now
and you were the only one thatcould hear God speaking to you
and you were trying only onethat could hear God speaking to
you and you were trying toexplain everything, if God's
telling you a list of 100 thingsthat he wants you to do, some
of those things would be alittle bit contorted.
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Or say he's speaking to you ina language that only you and God
understand.
When you retranslate it to meand the rest of the world,
you're like, yeah, that's cool,but that one about no drinking,
I think he said nothing, over90%.
You know like I'm not sayingthat you would, I'm just saying
everybody, once they retranslatesomething or they get something
, or say you translate itperfectly, then when they go to
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put it to print, or yourdisciples who learn from you,
say that seems a little bitextreme.
Why don't we tape it down,because everybody's going to be
turned off by this?
Like, why don't we slow it downand we can tell them he really
meant something else later on?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
yeah, yeah, you know what.
I just pulled this off myfridge.
I wrote this, uh, for my son,in case you never know what
happens.
You know what I mean.
But I wrote these as like, uh,as like a little for him, my, my
personal advice to my son if,if you know, if I can't teach
him these things on my own, um,each morning, hit your knees and
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ask God for his will to be done.
I said a relationship with Godis the most important aspect of
this life.
Love your mother.
Do not take this life soseriously.
Do not worry about the opinionsof others.
Follow the 10 commandments.
Travel the world as much aspossible.
Serve your country honorably.
Take calculated risks.
Do not take drugs, get drunk orgamble.
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You are protected by yourgrandfather, michael the
Archangel.
More importantly, god does aswell meaning protect them.
Everything is temporary.
Take care of those lessfortunate.
Love your neighbor and yourenemy.
Temporary.
Take care of those lessfortunate.
Love your neighbor and yourenemy.
Set goals.
Smile in the face of adversity.
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Death is only a new life.
I will always love you.
Spare the rod with your young.
Each night, take the man tothank the man upstairs for
another day.
I was about to say take the manupstairs.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's good advice, man.
Like I mean, heaven forbidanything happen to you.
But honestly, is it even ourchoice?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Like if it's our time to die.
No, it's not our choice.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Like you could have died that very first mission.
If God wanted you home already,little X wouldn't even be here.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Dude, and I, yo, yo G being a father.
I mean it's really like Yo Gbeing a father.
I mean it's really like he'schanging me man on a daily basis
.
His mother drives me fuckingnuts, but that's expected,
that's expected.
And you know, I'm not incontrol as much as I think I am,
and God is.
So I thank him.
I thank him every day, man.
(10:20):
But yeah, that's my advice.
I'm sure that list may change alittle bit, but who knows, man
Yo, what was the other thing youhad, jay, I?
don't even remember now yeah,this has been a uh dynamite,
dynamite, uh podcast.
You, you're the shit jay youreally are man I mean, yeah, so
how are things?
So what kind of church are yougoing?
So we'll wrap this up in a fewminutes.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm gonna go get a the back of my hair's cut well,
right now we're going to Churchof Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay yeah, we look everywhere, like I don't stop
with one religion.
I've been researching religionand trying to be part of
different religions since I wasprobably 9 or 10.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, lds, it's funny , they these more.
They're mormons yeah and thenthere's the flds, which is a
branch of mormonism, which iswhat that netflix documentary
was made after.
But you know again, just likethere's going to be corruption
in the cath church, there'sgoing to be corruption in in any
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, any organization.
Um, that pretty much runs offof the dollar, the mighty dollar
.
Just like politics, there'sgoing to be, there's going to be
corruption.
And I've never experienced, uh,the LDS church.
But you know, I know they're,they're, they're stout believers
and they are, yeah, and, and,and you know, some of them are
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there to to some, some churchesare really there for I mean most
of them, even the catholicchurch.
They're there for for thegreater, they think they're
there for the greater good.
But what happens is yo, gee, didyou see that movie?
Um, did you see that movie?
Uh, what's that?
That saint, that about the, the, the politics behind the
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election of a new pope.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
No, I never saw it.
Oh, my gosh, oh, the, what thefuck is the name of it?
Yeah, I gotta, gee, you gotta,watch this shit.
So the entire movie, not thepontiff movie about election of
pope.
I can't believe it.
(12:24):
Anyway, it won awards and shit,conclave, conclave.
So this movie is essentiallyabout the election.
The Pope dies, right, just likethe Pope's about to die now.
Well, at least he's on hisdeathbed.
I don't know if he's going tocroak or not, but either which
way I don't wish death uponanybody, but the bottom line is
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he's on his deathbed.
So, anyway, the Conclave justcame out in 2024, g and freaking
.
You know the entire movie real,like suspenseful.
Somebody had told me to watch itabout the Catholic Church and
there's politics involved andall the archbishops from around
the world are there and thebottom line is the Pope that
gets elected.
You're not going to believethis shit.
(13:07):
Are you listening?
Are you sitting?
He, the Pope that gets electedat the very end turns out, at
least they say.
But I, I looked this up, Idon't think you can be he.
He was, um, he was born with,with ovaries and a pecker, and
I'm like, what in the fuck isthis nonsense Like?
(13:29):
First of all, I don't thinkthat's possible.
Second of all, this is the wayof like organized religion man,
even this, and again, thetransgender thing.
I know I've fucked around onsocial media.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think it's a joke, but I don't think it's a joke.
Medically it is possible to beborn a hermaphrodite, because we
all start off as women and thenmen, of course, adapt and
change.
But if you don't complete theprocess of changing, heaven
forbid, you're a preemie andyou're still in the process of
shedding half your female traits.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, so you can be born like that.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Medically.
I don't think that like.
Like you have a full ass, youknow winner yeah, yeah, I'm 36.
I still don't have a full Ididn't want to say it, but we
know.
We know what is that.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, the funny thing is is when Xavier was born, his
like I was stressing about theDNA test, like I need a DNA test
.
His mother didn't want to bewith me before she got pregnant.
So I'm like what the fuck?
Like I got to get a DNA test.
So the day he was born he wasborn at home or whatever I
called him handed him to hismother and I had him for like a
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split second by myself.
I swabbed his nose or whatever.
Anyhow, 99% chance, 99.99999%chance.
He's my son, obviously.
So he's my son.
But I was telling my mom, I waslike mom, something feels off
about this.
Blah, blah, blah, before I gotthe results and everything.
And she's like blah, blah, blah, before I got the results and
everything.
And and she's like, well, youknow there's, does he look like
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you?
And I'm like I don't know if helooks like me.
Not really.
I mean blah, blah, blah.
So I'm waiting on the results,stressing out.
And then my mom's like, well,there's another way to tell.
But I'm not going to say.
And I'm like what do you mean?
The doctor was like whoa, he'sgonna give the lady some trouble
.
So I was like oh shit, he'sdefinitely my son.
That's the end of the story.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
But yeah, it's true, but I guess, I think, I guess
stop growing, trying to hit atoddler or something.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, but dude, that Conclave movie, check it out.
I mean it's interesting withthe politics behind the Catholic
Church.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dan, it's funny you brought that up too, because my
biggest issue with this LDSchurch was their belief in their
prophet, russell Nelson.
My biggest issue was that, andwith them, like I, like that
they don't say well, this is therule behind it, this is why we
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do it, this is why he waselected, they, they go back to
well, pray on it like find somepeace, find some solitude, take
a knee, ask God, talk to Jesus,pray and see where it leads you.
They don't try to force itthrough their point of view.
Of course, I like getting itdirectly from the source.
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So I literally prayed on it Alot, a whole lot.
And it's funny because my dadthat night sent me the copy of
the Apocrypha, which is thebooks that are banned from the
Bible and one of the first booksI opened up to when I first got
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it, because it showed up atlike 8 o'clock in the morning,
like right after.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Gee that word you just used what you call it on a
pocket.
What is it?
I'll send you a link.
Is that basically?
Is that basically just for thisbible or for all bibles?
That's the term that's used inand that's what I'm.
That's what I'm because I knowtheir bible is just based off of
that.
One guy wrote it and jesusvisited them here in America,
right?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, well, I don't know.
Every religion manipulates howmany books are in their Bible,
or what they're going to use andwhat they're not going to use.
This is the one I have.
The one my dad sent me was a54-book Apocrypha, and there are
a lot of people that will saythat there's only 13 books left
out.
So I don't know.
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I got 54.
I haven't read them all becauseyou know I'm busy, but I will.
But anyway, that night I openedup, or that morning when I got
it, I opened up and the firstpage I turned to was the book of
the prophets, which I justthought was funny.
But like, like, when I prayedthat night, I got nothing.
You know, I'm sitting therelooking like a boob, I'm praying
and god still hasn't saidanything.
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I was like, all right, well,you, let me know what you, what
you, come up with.
I'm gonna go to bed, man.
So I went to lay down, I wentto bed and I I know it sounds
stupid, but I legit had a dreamthat I was talking with jesus.
But like, oh damn it's weirdthough like because, like, I
didn't turn around, I didn't getto see him.
Like you know, if you're, uh,you're hanging out with your
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best friend, like, say, we're ona deployment, and I walk up
behind you and I start talkingto you, do you need to turn
around to look at me to know whoI'm, who you're talking to?
So it was like that, like I wasjust sitting out there looking
over just like mountain range,because I like the mountains,
man, like I'm just I love themountains.
Yeah, that's like my peacefulplace.
So I'm just sitting here justkind of hanging out this
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mountain range, and I knew wherethe mountains were too.
But then, uh, jesus came upbehind me and he sat somebody
next to me, but a little bitstill behind me.
I was like, oh man, I've been,I've been waiting on you, I've
got to know, like, like a lot ofthe history behind the LDS
church and stuff, like some ofit is a little far-fetched, but
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a lot of the ancient history ismatching up with actual, legit
evidence that we're findingtoday.
Like, in my logical mind, thisis leading me to this church,
but this I can't get over this.
And Jesus just said, said, likethis is where I want you for
now, like if you have faith inme, you believe that I'm not
going to lead you astray.
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This is where I want you fornow and I was like.
Well, I can't deny that Iabsolutely have faith in you.
You're like my father, brothermix and if this is where you say
you want me to go then I'm notsaying that it's for everybody,
but I'm just saying, on my walkand in my journey, this is where
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God has led me.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean I think it's phenomenal to even bounce
around the different churchesand just get a vibe for them.
I mean, most of the time you'regoing to just meet and run into
good people, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, but you can't always base it off the people.
Somebody could be just having ashitty day and ruin your whole
taste for an entire religion.
So I like to get into it, liketo see the whole thing and to
actually understand it, whythey're different than, like
what's different from aProtestant and a Catholic like
it's just.
To me it's just the strictnessof the rules, but I'm sure they
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have their own version or theirown idea.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's the impression that I got is their difference
yeah, they split off because,well, it started with
Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox, so, like Russia and obviously
the east of the world, so theworld, so the Orthodoxies and
the Catholics, they split.
They were one but they split.
Obviously, war and politicsplayed a big part of it, but the
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Orthodoxies didn't want to,didn't believe in the Pope, but
then like, yeah, there's so manydifferent branches, like
Lutheranism and, uh, I don'tknow, there's the Protestants,
are the non-denominational ones.
I can appreciate religion, justlike you and I are talking
right now.
Man, it's not about.
It's not about just like yousaid, just like Jesus told you
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in your dream you're exactlywhere I want you like in your
dream.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You're exactly where I want you like in your journey.
It's a journey, yeah.
Like you're picking up whateveryou can.
Like I'm absorbing.
Like Jesus knows my mind, heknows he gives me that critical
thinking.
Like if Jesus didn't want me toquestion things, he wouldn't
have given me such a skepticalmind.
Like Jesus would alleviate allmy fears in an instant if he
just said this is it?
This is like jesus alleviateall my fears in an instant.
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If he just said this is it,this is the end.
I'll be all stay here andthat's exactly what I would do.
But he wants me to questionthings, he wants me to seek, he
wants me to keep pushing andkeep finding and discovering
more and more.
Like, like I don't know what myend state is.
I don't know what his finalgoal is for me and I don't think
any of us will ever know untilwe're sitting in front of him
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when it's all over, if we staytrue to him, we truly, with that
praying thing, I know a lot ofpeople that are listening are
going to say BS, that didn'thappen.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Or I don't sound like a typical LDS.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
The first time I started with the Mormon religion
, I was asked to do the samething.
Like well, why don't you pray?
I was still having someproblems with the prophet.
I actually had quite a bit withhim, but I was like you know, I
can ignore that and I went togo pray for it, pray about it,
and then I went to this mountainthat that actually had this
dream with Jesus on, and Ididn't get a dream or anything
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like that.
Nothing happened, Nothingchanged.
I was like, alright, well, I'mgoing to go back down.
My buddy in Colorado has abeautiful ranch and he's right
next to a wolf preserve, so Ilike to go to this hill and it
just kind of overlooks thewolves.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's just really neat , neat.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's a beautiful place yeah damn yeah, it's like
a like people get like hybridwolves or they're the wolf dogs
and and then there's some wolvesthat come from like zoos or
wherever that they can't.
This is like a rehab placewhere they get them and like
keep them safe so they don'tjust slaughter them, they can't
be re-released where's's this atG?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Where's it at?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's in West Cliff Colorado.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Damn dude Wolves.
My father called my brother thewolf dog.
Him and I are at odds.
Wolf dog was him and I was thefox wolf.
There was two other brothers.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They didn't get names , but if you ever want to go out
there, man, let me know.
I'll call him.
Like he won't make you pay tostay there, like you get to go
out there you can shoot someguns and he's got like
170-something acres and hisnearest neighbor is a cattle
rancher and the wolf reserve.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Damn dude, that's so sweet, All right.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
If you ever get the urge, beautiful place to take
the family.
I mean I'm telling you, getclose to God there, Take a few
walks, Go up a hill somewhereand you'll find him.
But anyway, what?
I was trying to say is when Ifirst prayed about this LDS
religion, I came down and kindof nothing happened and it's
kind of out there, you know.
So we drove back to town andthen like right then, like that
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day is when we started hearingabout this COVID nonsense and I
was like well, that's one hellof a fucking answer.
Like I mean I'm asking you, amI going the right direction?
And then half the world diesLike I don't know what the heck
I just got into.
So I just kind of I didn't stayaway from it, but I was a lot
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more critical.
Like they'd send missionariesto my house and I wasn't quite
as lenient with their halfanswers, you know, like I really
pushed them, Like come.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I really pushed them.
Come up with a real answer.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
This is crap.
I don't want this half-truthstuff.
I was probably too hard on someof them, but some of them
actually kind of needed it,probably too.
I finally slowly calmed down,relaxed and they showed up back
at my house.
We came back to El Paso and wehad these girl missionaries that
showed up to my house.
I don't let random girls at myhouse.
We came back to El Paso and wehad these girl missionaries that
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showed up to my house.
I don't let random girls intomy house, even if they're
missionaries.
If my family's here, my wife'shere, then sure.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But if it's just me, it's not going to happen, of
course.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I talked to them for a second out on the porch and
then I sent them away.
They kind of just went away.
But then they came back acouple weeks later and my wife
was here, my kids were here.
So I was like all right, well,let's do this, like don't be mad
when I hurt your feelings.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And I don't know, I just got a lot more peaceful
about it Like you ever know.
You're gonna have aconversation with somebody and
you just kind of like, and youknow you're about to fire
somebody, you're about to getfired, you got to go and have
this conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
you're just like oh, it's already like that and we
sat down to talk.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I made a little pond in my front yard and I got a
couple coy in there, so I'msitting down there and they I
made them sit around.
We started a little fire in thefront yard and we started to
relax.
I started to relax.
That animosity that I had justkind of started to go away and I
started to hear what they hadto say.
They weren't saying anythingnew, anything that a thousand
(26:32):
other missionaries hadn't said.
It felt different.
This time I was still going topush off.
I met this new guy from thechurch, like brilliant man, like
just you would absolutely lovehim, like I'd actually really
like to set you up to talk withhim.
His name is actually I don'tknow if I should say his name,
I'm going to anyway, but hisname is Rick Bushman.
(26:55):
Okay, and he was a Ranger backin the day.
Okay, he went from E1 to E7 asa Ranger and then he became an
officer.
But now he's a doctor, stillactive duty, but I think he's
calling it quits.
He put in his retirement packetand I think he's had enough.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And he's a part of the, the lds, yes okay, well,
he's the.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He's the reason that made me start to to to ask god,
is this the right way?
Again, like before then, I waslike I'm just not doing this,
I'm not feeling it.
It just feels so stupid.
You guys can't give me astraight answer on anything.
And, and I think, the way heexplained it because he's a
science and logic he talks likea man, but he was also so.
(27:42):
He is also a soldier.
So you know what we?
We see things, we understandthings differently.
Then I guess most civilians,sure, and he had a lot of
similar experiences that that wedid when we were young.
So when he spoke to me, weasked a lot of similar
experiences that we did when wewere young.
(28:03):
When he spoke to me, we asked alot of these questions.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
He was giving quick, direct, concise answers, like
I'm used to.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No BS, no beating around the bush.
I'd love for you to talk to himone of these days.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I'm open to talking with anybody.
The LD, they showed up at mydoor too.
They must have my retardedmarine buddy.
Um, he, he bars his truck hereand I guess he saw two
good-looking girls because he'son his spiritual journey as well
.
He, I shouldn't call himretarded, but he's fucking
retarded anyway, he's a marinething yeah, it's a marine thing,
(28:39):
yeah, so, so they show up, he,he sees him on uh facebook or
social media and he obviouslyinquires dude, gives them my
address because he leaves histruck here, because he's a truck
driver on the road.
so these two like girls areknocking at my door and they're
you know they're, they're freshout of high school maybe.
(28:59):
Yeah, yeah, fresh out of highschool and they're from out that
way.
I guess Utah is where LDS, Ithink, started and they sent
them out here to the East Coastbanging on doors and you know
they're good-looking too.
So it's actually like you knowwhat guy it's like women
salesmen and again, know whatguy it's like?
(29:19):
It's like women salesmen.
And again, what guy is gonnajust like shut the door on them?
Probably, probably not many.
Um, but they gave me the book,or whatever, the book of what's
his name?
Uh, nelson or mormon, yeah,yeah, yeah, but, yeah, but
what's what's the guy's name?
The, uh, the prophet, theprophet the russell n.
Yeah, russell Nelson, and then Ijust asked a few questions and,
like you know, obviously Jesuscame after America came, so it's
(29:43):
a much newer Christian umdenomination.
Uh, jesus came to America andvisited him and then I was, you
know, I guess, like you know,anything's possible with God one
, but I didn didn't, I didn'tmake any further, further
movements towards it because Idon't know, like between my uh,
(30:04):
son's grandparents being supercatholic, with with her mom, and
and super, super catholic, it'slike, dude, the catholics they
believe, when you take the bloodof christ, or the blood, the
wine and the bread, the body andblood of Christ, they literally
think throughtransubstantiation it's called
(30:25):
that it actually becomes Jesus,his body and his blood.
Dude, so they're eating JesusChrist like, and they really
think it like that.
That to me is like anotherreason that's retarded.
Just, it's just retarded.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I mean, come on, like there's so many different
things that the LDS church, wealso take sacrament, but it's in
remembrance of the sacrifice.
We don't believe that we'reactually taking a chunk out of
Jesus.
We do it ceremonially inremembrance of the sacrifice
that he made damn dude.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, so yeah, it's.
Yeah, I'll definitely have ushave a conversation with the,
with the gentleman now now thisisn't his dude who I?
I'm interested with the aboutthe, with these wolves.
Man, I went camping for thefirst time since I was, you know
, my parents never.
I went with my buddy's parentsback when I was like going into
ninth grade or whatever, and Iwent.
(31:24):
I went, like this past weekendwith with, with Xavier, xavier
and and his mother, and it'slike, dude, I love camping bro.
So maybe a trip to, maybe atrip to Colorado is is is on the
bucket list.
Shit.
I would love to look at wolves.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Dan, I think you want to take all this different
input that you get from everydifferent source, every
different person you talk to foryour podcast, every person you
just happenstance, you justhappen to run into throughout
life.
Yeah, they may be telling yousomething and not even realize
that they're being influenced byby God himself, like they may.
Your buddy using your addressyeah, what if it was a joke?
(32:08):
But it was also God saying Ithink I might need to come and
talk to you, but maybe that'snot the place that you're
supposed to be right now in life.
And me bringing up the the westwest cliff ranch called the
nest, uh, is god's way of sayingmaybe you need to go out here
and pray to yourself and you andgod can figure out where you
you're supposed to go yeah, yeah, like.
(32:30):
So like all these little things.
Like you, I know from what youdo like you're going to get
input from so many differentdirections so it's going to get
confusing, right.
But pay attention to the biggerpicture.
Don't look at just right, hereand now, right in front of you.
Don't get the tunnel vision.
Keep the big picture and seewhere all this different input
is leading you.
Keep God in your mind.
Ignore all the stuff that'sholding you down, all this shit.
(32:50):
Like somebody's a Catholic.
So I can't do that.
That's an anchor.
Anchor, yeah, like boats don'tmove anywhere with anchors.
Man, pull all that shit up likefigure out where god wants you.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's the best advice, dude.
I always ask people for, for,for their, their one advice you
know that but that was uh, thatchanged from from from the last
time and uh, you know, that'sawesome, jay, because that's
exactly what I needed to do.
Yeah, as long as I can remain,you know, unfil, unfiltered,
unbiased and there was anotherword, I don't know what the fuck
(33:22):
it was, another unword butunfiltered and unbiased, pretty
much and just listen and soakthese things in and allow other
people to share their opinionsand beliefs, ask questions.
Not make it a, you know, justmake it a good, peaceful podcast
.
It doesn't always have to bepeaceful, but a good podcast
where people can learn differentthings.
(33:42):
And then, as long as I keep Godfirst, brother, that's it, man.
That's all I can do.
Everything else will play out.
Yeah Well, I'm talking about foryour walking life, man doing
this stuff for a podcast too,but you know, I actually care
about you as a man, right?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
yeah, yeah, I know.
I want you to always keep your,your mission, your goals, your
objective forefront.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
As soon as you stop thinking about what your final
objective is, that's when youget sidetracked always see, my
final objective is to make it to, uh, my final objective is to
raise this young man, um, withwith him knowing or at least
having an understanding of God,which I'm still working on.
And then, secondly, for me to,to meet, to meet my creator, and
(34:30):
and and be given um, given apathway to, to paradise.
And you know, if I got to comeback here, if he's like, hey,
turn around, you're beingreincarnated and now your life's
going to be a little shittierbecause you were a dickhead,
then I'll, I'll take that andand and start over.
But you know, part of mebelieves in some sort of
reincarnation to J, for, for,for, for, for humans, man, and
(34:53):
maybe those that have souls.
You know, maybe we get who knowsman, I mean, who knows what
God's got in store for us.
But I believe that Jesus is mypathway to heaven.
But I don't I wouldn'tdiscredit you know other
pathways, because it only saysit that one time in the Bible,
but I don't know man.
I also like to play the devil'sadvocate sometimes and just
(35:15):
argue with people strategicallyjust to, just to get the other
point, because there's alwaysgoing to be two points of an
argument, or two points to, to aperspective.
So you know, I don't know, butyeah I love you.
Right, you know that it's rightwrong, I'm right you're wrong
(35:39):
well, dude, it's been, it's beenan honor and pleasure man it
has, dude, and and let's uh,yeah, we can have these
regularly if you want, man,because you're always finding
new shit out.
You're always on on the searchI'm searching man.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I've been searching since before I met you.
I've taken some breaks.
I've done some dirty things.
That man, I wish I didn't.
I'm about as unrefined as youcan get.
Nobody in the LDS church wouldsuspect that I'm actually one of
them.
I still haven't been able toget my language under control,
but I don't even hear it untilit's already out of my mouth
(36:13):
half the time.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible,
(36:40):
no-transcript.
You know it's not like that.
That's how it is for militaryguys, for the most part, you
know.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Dan, I'm glad to hear you speaking more clearly these
days.
Like I know, you had a realdark spot in your life, not too,
long ago.
Yeah, and I like the directionyou're going.
Like, just don't stop trying.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Nah, I won't.
My brother, I will not, and youmake sure you stay in touch.
All right, absolutely All right, g, I'll talk to you soon,
brother.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
All right, Later man.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Later Bye.
We're still here, we're still hashing out some
philosophical conversations,we're talking about religion and
religion stuff, and G just saidhe literally just said that
religion you know he doesn't.
He believes, he has full faithin Jesus Christ and his second
coming, absolutely unwaveringsecond coming and and absolutely
(00:26):
unwavering, unwavering,unwavering was was the word and
uh, and.
But here's the thing, gee, letme ask you a question.
This is a tough question, thisis I ask myself this all the
time.
So the say say you know, uh,your neighbor, whatever, uh, he,
he prays to his God.
Now I, I hit my knees everymorning.
I, I asked for God's, will notmine to be done?
Now, I hit my knees everymorning, I ask for God's, will
not mine to be done?
And sometimes I thank him atnight and then maybe think on
(00:48):
him during the day if I listento something or watch something
on TV, blah, blah, blah.
But say the guy next door, sayhe was born in wherever Turkey
and he's a practicing peaceful.
And I'm not saying and you know, I am saying a peaceful, yeah,
(01:10):
I am saying a peaceful Muslimwho prays to his God seven to
ten times a day, but he meansnothing besides peace and good
intentions and we don't know aman's heart.
But from your perspective, theneighbor, or from my perspective
, the neighbor.
But from your perspective, theneighbor, or from my perspective
, the neighbor, he's got astronger relationship, from what
it looks like, with his Godthan we do our God.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's not a stronger relationship, Dan, it's more
obedience to his religion.
Okay, so the relationship withGod has nothing to do with
religion.
God never came down and saidyou will be Catholic or you will
be Muslim.
Jesus never said you will beany of these things.
He said seek and you shall find.
(01:53):
So as long as you're seeking,as long as your faith in God
above is unwavering.
Which it is.
You truly, truly believe andyou you honestly see.
Whenever I look for something,it takes me a long time to find
it because I'm stubborn and Iand I picked through stupid shit
(02:14):
in my head that I probablyshouldn't.
You know, and I'm not gonna bethe picture-perfect disciple of
Christ, but I will always letsomebody know that I'm a
follower of Jesus Christ.
I will screw up.
Even if you look at all thedifferent disciples that Christ
has had throughout the years,they've all had different
(02:38):
aspects of their personalitythat didn't quite fit in any
modern day religion.
There was always something thatwas a little bit off with a
little bit bit of all of them.
But God or Jesus.
God and Jesus wanted peoplefrom different walks of life,
because someone like me isn'tgonna resonate as much with
somebody who's been raised in astrict Catholic faith.
(02:59):
Or if, if you go and try topreach what you know about Jesus
to your Muslim neighbor, is hegoing to hear you?
But if you have another Muslimneighbor on the other side who
was Muslim but through constantseeking and constant striving to
(03:21):
come closer to God, he foundhimself, jesus Christ, and he
realized that he's through Jesushe'd grown closer and closer
and closer to God.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, I guess where I get to, where sometimes I get
confused, so I shouldn't sayunwavering.
I think I'm a firm believerthat my pathway to paradise is
through Jesus Christ, howeverRight that my pathway to to
paradise is through jesus christ, however right and it says you
know only only I think.
Once in the new testament doesjesus say I'm the truth, the way
in the life.
Nobody comes to the fatherexcept through me.
(03:54):
Now, with translations andafter translations, I think
personally I think man'scorrupted religion period period
, especially organized religion,man has corrupted it.
Jesus also stated wherever twoor more are there speaking my
name, I'm with them.
That's the church of.
Jesus Christ.
You and I doing this right nowis the church of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
He is with us Exactly Right now.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yep, exactly 100%.
The problem I see with other—ornot with other or not problem
but the the, the confusion thatsets in sometimes is like, say
the Hindus, the Indians?
Right, they believe in allthese different gods, a God
Shiva, a God for this, a God forthat, semi similar to the
saints and the Catholicorganization.
(04:39):
Now, some say they don'tworship or idolize them.
But the Catholic church is oneof the most corrupt
organizations there is on earth.
It's the mafia.
It's the mafia and they have acrucifix or a cross around their
neck.
Um, but I guess what I'm gettingat is like, sometimes, even at
a very young age I was like fouror some.
Should I ask my mom what likereincarnation was?
(05:00):
I have no idea how I thoughtabout that back then, but I had
thought that I had already beenhere before.
That's my first early, that'slike my earliest memory as a kid
.
But you know, reincarnation,the interpretation of the Bible,
the Old and New Testament,there's so many different ways
(05:21):
that you can perceive it.
Sometimes I think when we dieis when we see Jesus.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Right, no, you're right, you're right, but again,
you said it yourself like it'sthe interpretation of that.
God never told us to takesomebody else's interpretation
as our truth.
Right, we're supposed to takeall the experiences well, well,
that's, that's perfect.
Take the experiences you getfrom everybody around you,
whether it's's me or Luke fromthe Bible, matthew from Abraham,
(05:51):
everybody throughout the Bible.
Take their experiences, takeeverything they offer you seek
more, because there's alwaysmore.
The Bibles have even beenmanipulated.
Just take the Old Testament,just take the.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
King.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
James Version.
Yeah, king James versus NewInternational, the way they
speak is completely different.
They translate the wordsdifferently in just those
versions.
So if this has been translatedand translated and translated
over 2,000 years, it's alldifferent.
So, seek, get your owninterpretation, but don't push
away Even your Muslim brotherfrom across the street.
(06:27):
Listen to what he has to say,of course.
Hear him, ask him to hear whatyou have to say, and that itself
is seeking.
That's you reaching out to god,saying I'm looking for you
where our hands are up, where dowe go?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
yeah, yeah, no, you're right, yeah, I always um,
I mean, I try to always.
I think it's just natural who Iam, that I I like to hear other
people's perspectives,especially when it comes to very
important topics like the twoyou're not ever supposed to talk
to in a professional setting,or you know, you know how people
are.
But politics and religion, Imean those two, those are the
(07:04):
only things I I politics, I'mnot as interested in, because I
understand that again, just likeman corrupted these books with
translations and they left booksout.
And there was a and there was12.
There was like, not 12, theyweren't the disciples, but they
were these appointed men in thecatholic church, before the
catholic church, to to decidewhat books do we keep, what
books do we leave out of theBible, and it's just like.
(07:25):
But like you were saying withTrump, just like you were saying
with Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
They have their own opinions and their own agendas.
So, yes, they're seeking God,but they're also.
Even if you were having aconversation with God right now
and you were the only one thatcould hear God speaking to you
and you were trying only onethat could hear God speaking to
you and you were trying toexplain everything, if God's
telling you a list of 100 thingsthat he wants you to do, some
of those things would be alittle bit contorted.
(07:51):
Or say he's speaking to you ina language that only you and God
understand.
When you retranslate it to meand the rest of the world,
you're like, yeah, that's cool,but that one about no drinking,
I think he said nothing, over90%.
You know like I'm not sayingthat you would, I'm just saying
everybody, once they retranslatesomething or they get something
, or say you translate itperfectly, then when they go to
(08:14):
put it to print, or yourdisciples who learn from you,
say that seems a little bitextreme.
Why don't we tape it down,because everybody's going to be
turned off by this?
Like, why don't we slow it downand we can tell them he really
meant something else later on?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
yeah, yeah, you know what.
I just pulled this off myfridge.
I wrote this, uh, for my son,in case you never know what
happens.
You know what I mean.
But I wrote these as like, uh,as like a little for him, my, my
personal advice to my son if,if you know, if I can't teach
him these things on my own, um,each morning, hit your knees and
(08:50):
ask God for his will to be done.
I said a relationship with Godis the most important aspect of
this life.
Love your mother.
Do not take this life soseriously.
Do not worry about the opinionsof others.
Follow the 10 commandments.
Travel the world as much aspossible.
Serve your country honorably.
Take calculated risks.
Do not take drugs, get drunk orgamble.
(09:10):
You are protected by yourgrandfather, michael the
Archangel.
More importantly, god does aswell meaning protect them.
Everything is temporary.
Take care of those lessfortunate.
Love your neighbor and yourenemy.
Temporary.
Take care of those lessfortunate.
Love your neighbor and yourenemy.
Set goals.
Smile in the face of adversity.
(09:33):
Death is only a new life.
I will always love you.
Spare the rod with your young.
Each night, take the man tothank the man upstairs for
another day.
I was about to say take the manupstairs.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's good advice, man.
Like I mean, heaven forbidanything happen to you.
But honestly, is it even ourchoice?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Like if it's our time to die.
No, it's not our choice.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Like you could have died that very first mission.
If God wanted you home already,little X wouldn't even be here.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Dude, and I, yo, yo G being a father.
I mean it's really like Yo Gbeing a father.
I mean it's really like he'schanging me man on a daily basis
.
His mother drives me fuckingnuts, but that's expected,
that's expected.
And you know, I'm not incontrol as much as I think I am,
and God is.
So I thank him.
I thank him every day, man.
(10:20):
But yeah, that's my advice.
I'm sure that list may change alittle bit, but who knows, man
Yo, what was the other thing youhad, jay, I?
don't even remember now yeah,this has been a uh dynamite,
dynamite, uh podcast.
You, you're the shit jay youreally are man I mean, yeah, so
how are things?
So what kind of church are yougoing?
So we'll wrap this up in a fewminutes.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I'm gonna go get a the back of my hair's cut well,
right now we're going to Churchof Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay yeah, we look everywhere, like I don't stop
with one religion.
I've been researching religionand trying to be part of
different religions since I wasprobably 9 or 10.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Okay, lds, it's funny , they these more.
They're mormons yeah and thenthere's the flds, which is a
branch of mormonism, which iswhat that netflix documentary
was made after.
But you know again, just likethere's going to be corruption
in the cath church, there'sgoing to be corruption in in any
(11:23):
, any organization.
Um, that pretty much runs offof the dollar, the mighty dollar
.
Just like politics, there'sgoing to be, there's going to be
corruption.
And I've never experienced, uh,the LDS church.
But you know, I know they're,they're, they're stout believers
and they are, yeah, and, and,and you know, some of them are
(11:44):
there to to some, some churchesare really there for I mean most
of them, even the catholicchurch.
They're there for for thegreater, they think they're
there for the greater good.
But what happens is yo, gee, didyou see that movie?
Um, did you see that movie?
Uh, what's that?
That saint, that about the, the, the politics behind the
(12:04):
election of a new pope.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
No, I never saw it.
Oh, my gosh, oh, the, what thefuck is the name of it?
Yeah, I gotta, gee, you gotta,watch this shit.
So the entire movie, not thepontiff movie about election of
pope.
I can't believe it.
(12:24):
Anyway, it won awards and shit,conclave, conclave.
So this movie is essentiallyabout the election.
The Pope dies, right, just likethe Pope's about to die now.
Well, at least he's on hisdeathbed.
I don't know if he's going tocroak or not, but either which
way I don't wish death uponanybody, but the bottom line is
(12:47):
he's on his deathbed.
So, anyway, the Conclave justcame out in 2024, g and freaking
.
You know the entire movie real,like suspenseful.
Somebody had told me to watch itabout the Catholic Church and
there's politics involved andall the archbishops from around
the world are there and thebottom line is the Pope that
gets elected.
You're not going to believethis shit.
(13:07):
Are you listening?
Are you sitting?
He, the Pope that gets electedat the very end turns out, at
least they say.
But I, I looked this up, Idon't think you can be he.
He was, um, he was born with,with ovaries and a pecker, and
I'm like, what in the fuck isthis nonsense Like?
(13:29):
First of all, I don't thinkthat's possible.
Second of all, this is the wayof like organized religion man,
even this, and again, thetransgender thing.
I know I've fucked around onsocial media.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I think it's a joke, but I don't think it's a joke.
Medically it is possible to beborn a hermaphrodite, because we
all start off as women and thenmen, of course, adapt and
change.
But if you don't complete theprocess of changing, heaven
forbid, you're a preemie andyou're still in the process of
shedding half your female traits.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Okay, so you can be born like that.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Medically.
I don't think that like.
Like you have a full ass, youknow winner yeah, yeah, I'm 36.
I still don't have a full Ididn't want to say it, but we
know.
We know what is that.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, the funny thing is is when Xavier was born, his
like I was stressing about theDNA test, like I need a DNA test
.
His mother didn't want to bewith me before she got pregnant.
So I'm like what the fuck?
Like I got to get a DNA test.
So the day he was born he wasborn at home or whatever I
called him handed him to hismother and I had him for like a
(14:51):
split second by myself.
I swabbed his nose or whatever.
Anyhow, 99% chance, 99.99999%chance.
He's my son, obviously.
So he's my son.
But I was telling my mom, I waslike mom, something feels off
about this.
Blah, blah, blah, before I gotthe results and everything.
And she's like blah, blah, blah, before I got the results and
everything.
And and she's like, well, youknow there's, does he look like
(15:13):
you?
And I'm like I don't know if helooks like me.
Not really.
I mean blah, blah, blah.
So I'm waiting on the results,stressing out.
And then my mom's like, well,there's another way to tell.
But I'm not going to say.
And I'm like what do you mean?
The doctor was like whoa, he'sgonna give the lady some trouble
.
So I was like oh shit, he'sdefinitely my son.
That's the end of the story.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
But yeah, it's true, but I guess, I think, I guess
stop growing, trying to hit atoddler or something.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, but dude, that Conclave movie, check it out.
I mean it's interesting withthe politics behind the Catholic
Church.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dan, it's funny you brought that up too, because my
biggest issue with this LDSchurch was their belief in their
prophet, russell Nelson.
My biggest issue was that, andwith them, like I, like that
they don't say well, this is therule behind it, this is why we
(16:18):
do it, this is why he waselected, they, they go back to
well, pray on it like find somepeace, find some solitude, take
a knee, ask God, talk to Jesus,pray and see where it leads you.
They don't try to force itthrough their point of view.
Of course, I like getting itdirectly from the source.
(16:41):
So I literally prayed on it Alot, a whole lot.
And it's funny because my dadthat night sent me the copy of
the Apocrypha, which is thebooks that are banned from the
Bible and one of the first booksI opened up to when I first got
(17:02):
it, because it showed up atlike 8 o'clock in the morning,
like right after.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Gee that word you just used what you call it on a
pocket.
What is it?
I'll send you a link.
Is that basically?
Is that basically just for thisbible or for all bibles?
That's the term that's used inand that's what I'm.
That's what I'm because I knowtheir bible is just based off of
that.
One guy wrote it and jesusvisited them here in America,
right?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, well, I don't know.
Every religion manipulates howmany books are in their Bible,
or what they're going to use andwhat they're not going to use.
This is the one I have.
The one my dad sent me was a54-book Apocrypha, and there are
a lot of people that will saythat there's only 13 books left
out.
So I don't know.
(17:48):
I got 54.
I haven't read them all becauseyou know I'm busy, but I will.
But anyway, that night I openedup, or that morning when I got
it, I opened up and the firstpage I turned to was the book of
the prophets, which I justthought was funny.
But like, like, when I prayedthat night, I got nothing.
You know, I'm sitting therelooking like a boob, I'm praying
and god still hasn't saidanything.
(18:09):
I was like, all right, well,you, let me know what you, what
you, come up with.
I'm gonna go to bed, man.
So I went to lay down, I wentto bed and I I know it sounds
stupid, but I legit had a dreamthat I was talking with jesus.
But like, oh damn it's weirdthough like because, like, I
didn't turn around, I didn't getto see him.
Like you know, if you're, uh,you're hanging out with your
(18:31):
best friend, like, say, we're ona deployment, and I walk up
behind you and I start talkingto you, do you need to turn
around to look at me to know whoI'm, who you're talking to?
So it was like that, like I wasjust sitting out there looking
over just like mountain range,because I like the mountains,
man, like I'm just I love themountains.
Yeah, that's like my peacefulplace.
So I'm just sitting here justkind of hanging out this
(18:52):
mountain range, and I knew wherethe mountains were too.
But then, uh, jesus came upbehind me and he sat somebody
next to me, but a little bitstill behind me.
I was like, oh man, I've been,I've been waiting on you, I've
got to know, like, like a lot ofthe history behind the LDS
church and stuff, like some ofit is a little far-fetched, but
(19:14):
a lot of the ancient history ismatching up with actual, legit
evidence that we're findingtoday.
Like, in my logical mind, thisis leading me to this church,
but this I can't get over this.
And Jesus just said, said, likethis is where I want you for
now, like if you have faith inme, you believe that I'm not
going to lead you astray.
(19:35):
This is where I want you fornow and I was like.
Well, I can't deny that Iabsolutely have faith in you.
You're like my father, brothermix and if this is where you say
you want me to go then I'm notsaying that it's for everybody,
but I'm just saying, on my walkand in my journey, this is where
(19:57):
God has led me.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, I mean I think it's phenomenal to even bounce
around the different churchesand just get a vibe for them.
I mean, most of the time you'regoing to just meet and run into
good people, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, but you can't always base it off the people.
Somebody could be just having ashitty day and ruin your whole
taste for an entire religion.
So I like to get into it, liketo see the whole thing and to
actually understand it, whythey're different than, like
what's different from aProtestant and a Catholic like
it's just.
To me it's just the strictnessof the rules, but I'm sure they
(20:34):
have their own version or theirown idea.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's the impression that I got is their difference
yeah, they split off because,well, it started with
Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox, so, like Russia and obviously
the east of the world, so theworld, so the Orthodoxies and
the Catholics, they split.
They were one but they split.
Obviously, war and politicsplayed a big part of it, but the
(21:06):
Orthodoxies didn't want to,didn't believe in the Pope, but
then like, yeah, there's so manydifferent branches, like
Lutheranism and, uh, I don'tknow, there's the Protestants,
are the non-denominational ones.
I can appreciate religion, justlike you and I are talking
right now.
Man, it's not about.
It's not about just like yousaid, just like Jesus told you
(21:26):
in your dream you're exactlywhere I want you like in your
dream.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
You're exactly where I want you like in your journey.
It's a journey, yeah.
Like you're picking up whateveryou can.
Like I'm absorbing.
Like Jesus knows my mind, heknows he gives me that critical
thinking.
Like if Jesus didn't want me toquestion things, he wouldn't
have given me such a skepticalmind.
Like Jesus would alleviate allmy fears in an instant if he
just said this is it?
This is like jesus alleviateall my fears in an instant.
(21:51):
If he just said this is it,this is the end.
I'll be all stay here andthat's exactly what I would do.
But he wants me to questionthings, he wants me to seek, he
wants me to keep pushing andkeep finding and discovering
more and more.
Like, like I don't know what myend state is.
I don't know what his finalgoal is for me and I don't think
any of us will ever know untilwe're sitting in front of him
(22:12):
when it's all over, if we staytrue to him, we truly, with that
praying thing, I know a lot ofpeople that are listening are
going to say BS, that didn'thappen.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Or I don't sound like a typical LDS.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
The first time I started with the Mormon religion
, I was asked to do the samething.
Like well, why don't you pray?
I was still having someproblems with the prophet.
I actually had quite a bit withhim, but I was like you know, I
can ignore that and I went togo pray for it, pray about it,
and then I went to this mountainthat that actually had this
dream with Jesus on, and Ididn't get a dream or anything
(22:54):
like that.
Nothing happened, Nothingchanged.
I was like, alright, well, I'mgoing to go back down.
My buddy in Colorado has abeautiful ranch and he's right
next to a wolf preserve, so Ilike to go to this hill and it
just kind of overlooks thewolves.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It's just really neat , neat.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's a beautiful place yeah damn yeah, it's like
a like people get like hybridwolves or they're the wolf dogs
and and then there's some wolvesthat come from like zoos or
wherever that they can't.
This is like a rehab placewhere they get them and like
keep them safe so they don'tjust slaughter them, they can't
be re-released where's's this atG?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Where's it at?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It's in West Cliff Colorado.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Damn dude Wolves.
My father called my brother thewolf dog.
Him and I are at odds.
Wolf dog was him and I was thefox wolf.
There was two other brothers.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They didn't get names , but if you ever want to go out
there, man, let me know.
I'll call him.
Like he won't make you pay tostay there, like you get to go
out there you can shoot someguns and he's got like
170-something acres and hisnearest neighbor is a cattle
rancher and the wolf reserve.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Damn dude, that's so sweet, All right.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
If you ever get the urge, beautiful place to take
the family.
I mean I'm telling you, getclose to God there, Take a few
walks, Go up a hill somewhereand you'll find him.
But anyway, what?
I was trying to say is when Ifirst prayed about this LDS
religion, I came down and kindof nothing happened and it's
kind of out there, you know.
So we drove back to town andthen like right then, like that
(24:25):
day is when we started hearingabout this COVID nonsense and I
was like well, that's one hellof a fucking answer.
Like I mean I'm asking you, amI going the right direction?
And then half the world diesLike I don't know what the heck
I just got into.
So I just kind of I didn't stayaway from it, but I was a lot
(24:46):
more critical.
Like they'd send missionariesto my house and I wasn't quite
as lenient with their halfanswers, you know, like I really
pushed them, Like come.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I really pushed them.
Come up with a real answer.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
This is crap.
I don't want this half-truthstuff.
I was probably too hard on someof them, but some of them
actually kind of needed it,probably too.
I finally slowly calmed down,relaxed and they showed up back
at my house.
We came back to El Paso and wehad these girl missionaries that
showed up to my house.
I don't let random girls at myhouse.
We came back to El Paso and wehad these girl missionaries that
(25:19):
showed up to my house.
I don't let random girls intomy house, even if they're
missionaries.
If my family's here, my wife'shere, then sure.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But if it's just me, it's not going to happen, of
course.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I talked to them for a second out on the porch and
then I sent them away.
They kind of just went away.
But then they came back acouple weeks later and my wife
was here, my kids were here.
So I was like all right, well,let's do this, like don't be mad
when I hurt your feelings.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Right, right right.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And I don't know, I just got a lot more peaceful
about it Like you ever know.
You're gonna have aconversation with somebody and
you just kind of like, and youknow you're about to fire
somebody, you're about to getfired, you got to go and have
this conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
you're just like oh, it's already like that and we
sat down to talk.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I made a little pond in my front yard and I got a
couple coy in there, so I'msitting down there and they I
made them sit around.
We started a little fire in thefront yard and we started to
relax.
I started to relax.
That animosity that I had justkind of started to go away and I
started to hear what they hadto say.
They weren't saying anythingnew, anything that a thousand
(26:32):
other missionaries hadn't said.
It felt different.
This time I was still going topush off.
I met this new guy from thechurch, like brilliant man, like
just you would absolutely lovehim, like I'd actually really
like to set you up to talk withhim.
His name is actually I don'tknow if I should say his name,
I'm going to anyway, but hisname is Rick Bushman.
(26:55):
Okay, and he was a Ranger backin the day.
Okay, he went from E1 to E7 asa Ranger and then he became an
officer.
But now he's a doctor, stillactive duty, but I think he's
calling it quits.
He put in his retirement packetand I think he's had enough.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And he's a part of the, the lds, yes okay, well,
he's the.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He's the reason that made me start to to to ask god,
is this the right way?
Again, like before then, I waslike I'm just not doing this,
I'm not feeling it.
It just feels so stupid.
You guys can't give me astraight answer on anything.
And, and I think, the way heexplained it because he's a
science and logic he talks likea man, but he was also so.
(27:42):
He is also a soldier.
So you know what we?
We see things, we understandthings differently.
Then I guess most civilians,sure, and he had a lot of
similar experiences that that wedid when we were young.
So when he spoke to me, weasked a lot of similar
experiences that we did when wewere young.
(28:03):
When he spoke to me, we asked alot of these questions.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
He was giving quick, direct, concise answers, like
I'm used to.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No BS, no beating around the bush.
I'd love for you to talk to himone of these days.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I'm open to talking with anybody.
The LD, they showed up at mydoor too.
They must have my retardedmarine buddy.
Um, he, he bars his truck hereand I guess he saw two
good-looking girls because he'son his spiritual journey as well
.
He, I shouldn't call himretarded, but he's fucking
retarded anyway, he's a marinething yeah, it's a marine thing,
(28:39):
yeah, so, so they show up, he,he sees him on uh facebook or
social media and he obviouslyinquires dude, gives them my
address because he leaves histruck here, because he's a truck
driver on the road.
so these two like girls areknocking at my door and they're
you know they're, they're freshout of high school maybe.
(28:59):
Yeah, yeah, fresh out of highschool and they're from out that
way.
I guess Utah is where LDS, Ithink, started and they sent
them out here to the East Coastbanging on doors and you know
they're good-looking too.
So it's actually like you knowwhat guy it's like women
salesmen and again, know whatguy it's like?
(29:19):
It's like women salesmen.
And again, what guy is gonnajust like shut the door on them?
Probably, probably not many.
Um, but they gave me the book,or whatever, the book of what's
his name?
Uh, nelson or mormon, yeah,yeah, yeah, but, yeah, but
what's what's the guy's name?
The, uh, the prophet, theprophet the russell n.
Yeah, russell Nelson, and then Ijust asked a few questions and,
like you know, obviously Jesuscame after America came, so it's
(29:43):
a much newer Christian umdenomination.
Uh, jesus came to America andvisited him and then I was, you
know, I guess, like you know,anything's possible with God one
, but I didn didn't, I didn'tmake any further, further
movements towards it because Idon't know, like between my uh,
(30:04):
son's grandparents being supercatholic, with with her mom, and
and super, super catholic, it'slike, dude, the catholics they
believe, when you take the bloodof christ, or the blood, the
wine and the bread, the body andblood of Christ, they literally
think throughtransubstantiation it's called
(30:25):
that it actually becomes Jesus,his body and his blood.
Dude, so they're eating JesusChrist like, and they really
think it like that.
That to me is like anotherreason that's retarded.
Just, it's just retarded.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I mean, come on, like there's so many different
things that the LDS church, wealso take sacrament, but it's in
remembrance of the sacrifice.
We don't believe that we'reactually taking a chunk out of
Jesus.
We do it ceremonially inremembrance of the sacrifice
that he made damn dude.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, so yeah, it's.
Yeah, I'll definitely have ushave a conversation with the,
with the gentleman now now thisisn't his dude who I?
I'm interested with the aboutthe, with these wolves.
Man, I went camping for thefirst time since I was, you know
, my parents never.
I went with my buddy's parentsback when I was like going into
ninth grade or whatever, and Iwent.
(31:24):
I went, like this past weekendwith with, with Xavier, xavier
and and his mother, and it'slike, dude, I love camping bro.
So maybe a trip to, maybe atrip to Colorado is is is on the
bucket list.
Shit.
I would love to look at wolves.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Dan, I think you want to take all this different
input that you get from everydifferent source, every
different person you talk to foryour podcast, every person you
just happenstance, you justhappen to run into throughout
life.
Yeah, they may be telling yousomething and not even realize
that they're being influenced byby God himself, like they may.
Your buddy using your addressyeah, what if it was a joke?
(32:08):
But it was also God saying Ithink I might need to come and
talk to you, but maybe that'snot the place that you're
supposed to be right now in life.
And me bringing up the the westwest cliff ranch called the
nest, uh, is god's way of sayingmaybe you need to go out here
and pray to yourself and you andgod can figure out where you
you're supposed to go yeah, yeah, like.
(32:30):
So like all these little things.
Like you, I know from what youdo like you're going to get
input from so many differentdirections so it's going to get
confusing, right.
But pay attention to the biggerpicture.
Don't look at just right, hereand now, right in front of you.
Don't get the tunnel vision.
Keep the big picture and seewhere all this different input
is leading you.
Keep God in your mind.
Ignore all the stuff that'sholding you down, all this shit.
(32:50):
Like somebody's a Catholic.
So I can't do that.
That's an anchor.
Anchor, yeah, like boats don'tmove anywhere with anchors.
Man, pull all that shit up likefigure out where god wants you.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's the best advice, dude.
I always ask people for, for,for their, their one advice you
know that but that was uh, thatchanged from from from the last
time and uh, you know, that'sawesome, jay, because that's
exactly what I needed to do.
Yeah, as long as I can remain,you know, unfil, unfiltered,
unbiased and there was anotherword, I don't know what the fuck
(33:22):
it was, another unword butunfiltered and unbiased, pretty
much and just listen and soakthese things in and allow other
people to share their opinionsand beliefs, ask questions.
Not make it a, you know, justmake it a good, peaceful podcast
.
It doesn't always have to bepeaceful, but a good podcast
where people can learn differentthings.
(33:42):
And then, as long as I keep Godfirst, brother, that's it, man.
That's all I can do.
Everything else will play out.
Yeah Well, I'm talking about foryour walking life, man doing
this stuff for a podcast too,but you know, I actually care
about you as a man, right?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
yeah, yeah, I know.
I want you to always keep your,your mission, your goals, your
objective forefront.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
As soon as you stop thinking about what your final
objective is, that's when youget sidetracked always see, my
final objective is to make it to, uh, my final objective is to
raise this young man, um, withwith him knowing or at least
having an understanding of God,which I'm still working on.
And then, secondly, for me to,to meet, to meet my creator, and
(34:30):
and and be given um, given apathway to, to paradise.
And you know, if I got to comeback here, if he's like, hey,
turn around, you're beingreincarnated and now your life's
going to be a little shittierbecause you were a dickhead,
then I'll, I'll take that andand and start over.
But you know, part of mebelieves in some sort of
reincarnation to J, for, for,for, for, for humans, man, and
(34:53):
maybe those that have souls.
You know, maybe we get who knowsman, I mean, who knows what
God's got in store for us.
But I believe that Jesus is mypathway to heaven.
But I don't I wouldn'tdiscredit you know other
pathways, because it only saysit that one time in the Bible,
but I don't know man.
I also like to play the devil'sadvocate sometimes and just
(35:15):
argue with people strategicallyjust to, just to get the other
point, because there's alwaysgoing to be two points of an
argument, or two points to, to aperspective.
So you know, I don't know, butyeah I love you.
Right, you know that it's rightwrong, I'm right you're wrong
(35:39):
well, dude, it's been, it's beenan honor and pleasure man it
has, dude, and and let's uh,yeah, we can have these
regularly if you want, man,because you're always finding
new shit out.
You're always on on the searchI'm searching man.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I've been searching since before I met you.
I've taken some breaks.
I've done some dirty things.
That man, I wish I didn't.
I'm about as unrefined as youcan get.
Nobody in the LDS church wouldsuspect that I'm actually one of
them.
I still haven't been able toget my language under control,
but I don't even hear it untilit's already out of my mouth
(36:13):
half the time.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible,
(36:40):
no-transcript.
You know it's not like that.
That's how it is for militaryguys, for the most part, you
know.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Dan, I'm glad to hear you speaking more clearly these
days.
Like I know, you had a realdark spot in your life, not too,
long ago.
Yeah, and I like the directionyou're going.
Like, just don't stop trying.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Nah, I won't.
My brother, I will not, and youmake sure you stay in touch.
All right, absolutely All right, g, I'll talk to you soon,
brother.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
All right, Later man.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Later Bye.
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