July 31, 2025 • 26 mins
Could there actually be Two podcast hosts named Daniel Cianci?
Join us as DC and Daniel Cianci discover each other through a remarkable synchronicity and share their contrasting journeys into podcasting. They explore the psychology behind persistence, quitting, and finding alignment with your true purpose.
• Daniel from the US started his podcast after praying to replace his addiction to gambling
• Daniel from Venezuela began his podcast journey after being inspired by "How I Built This"
• Podcasting serves as a permanent record of conversations, even preserving the voice of a guest who passed away
• 90% of podcasts don't make it past episode 3, and 90% of the remaining don't reach episode 20
• Finding true alignment may mean exploring different channels beyond podcasting
• Both hosts believe in the equality of all people regardless of status or background
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daniel Cianci.
It's like I'm speaking tomyself, Daniel.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The younger version of you.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
The younger version.
Yeah, that's right.
How old are you?
33.
See if there are other DanielCianci's in the world.
And there happens to be anotherDaniel Cianci who is from
Venezuela and he currently livesin Houston, texas, and he has a
(00:32):
podcast on wisdom.
Now, I'm not saying that's myniche, but there's no that you
can't make this stuff up, thesesynchronicities.
There's just no chance on God'sgreen earth that this is just
by pure pure luck.
Now I see Daniel puts out a lotof awesome content.
You know he has guests on hispodcast as well, and I reached
(00:58):
out to him via LinkedIn and wehad like an hour long
conversation, our firstdiscussion, and this is our
second discussion, and we werejust getting into.
You know, I personally I hate, Idon't hate it, but I dislike
podcasting.
I sound like a whiny littlebaby, but I dislike podcasting.
I dislike the editing and themonotony of podcasts.
(01:19):
I don't even put videos outthere like that.
I mean, sometimes I'll do somereels.
I had a couple before in thepast, but it's just not my forte
.
But he asked me a very simplequestion.
He said well, why did you startpodcasting Now, dan?
Yo, Daniel, I've said this inthe past.
I am a hardcore gambler.
(01:40):
I've I've lost a ton of moneyin the past and before I won a
lot of money and lost a lot ofmoney.
But before this, five years agoor what have you, it was 2000
and I want to say 2021 or two,yeah, 2021.
I, I prayed to God to replacethe gambling addiction.
(02:03):
That's what I did.
To replace the gamblingaddiction.
That's what I did.
But I couldn't sleep that nightand I just clicked record on my
phone and started like makingjokes and I sent it to my
brother and a couple of peopleand they said it was pretty
funny and I was like I'm goingto start a podcast.
I'm going to try to do theimpossible A grassroots podcast
(02:24):
with people that are not wellknown but have incredible
stories.
Like every human being has anawesome story.
So I couldn't sleep that night.
I prayed about it.
I couldn't sleep that night andI started the podcast.
But what I just realized as Iwas saying, that is, I prayed to
replace my gambling addiction.
I didn't pray to, I didn't prayto, um, I didn't pray to to
(02:50):
give me the next best, uh, abusiness idea or the next best
idea.
I prayed to simply replace mygambling addiction.
I started gambling again afterthat.
Um, currently I'm I'm notactively gambling.
I'll probably gamble again.
It's not like, but now that Ihave a son, it's like.
It's not as important to me,daniel.
(03:13):
So that's why I started.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And why did you start yours?
Okay, so first of all, thankyou for sharing that story.
I understand, I mean Iunderstand why you lost a lot of
money, because when you bet onPhilly sports teams, you're
going to lose a bunch of money.
That is a given.
That's on you, my brother,that's on you, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, I'm a Steelers fan but I do like the Sixers and
the Flyers and I don't like Idon't follow hockey like that,
but I like the Flyers.
I also like the Penguins.
They were a pretty, not adynasty, but they were very good
in in like the past few years.
They're always in there.
They're always contentious.
And then the Eagles.
(04:00):
I rooted for him this SuperBowl, but I am not an Eagles fan
.
I repeat not an.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Eagles fan.
I repeat, not an Eagles fan.
I think that was your issue.
You.
You were betting on the wrongteam.
You know that's.
You know haven't done shit inthe last whatever.
See, see if the longer last.
You know Super Bowl, like that15 years ago.
But then also you're betting onthe six or six aside Just hey.
So you're betting on the Sixers.
Sixers are just hey.
I mean, I don't.
It's almost like you're bettingon a big player, that is a.
(04:30):
You're going to lose moneyregardless.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, you're right, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a
whiny baby.
That that doesn't, doesn't youknow?
He he's very good, he's adominant basketball player.
But the whole Sixersorganization.
Some people think that they'retanking again.
But you know, currently, daniel, I've been unplugged from
sports and the news.
Just the past few days I'vewatched a couple ABC news, like
(04:57):
you know, ABC news, but politics, I, I, I my last couple
episodes they were heavily inpolitics, but I, I like to stray
away from it.
Religion, though I lovediscussions on on god, or the
lack thereof for certain peopleno for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
But uh, yeah, I, I, I , when it comes to sport, I
rarely, I mean, I don't watchentire game, I don't have the
time, I would just watch acouple highlights or news.
Okay, I'm sort of saying I'maware of what's happening across
different leagues, politics.
I, just, I, I just don't getinto that because to me it feels
(05:37):
like because we have anegativity bias, because, uh,
because we have a negative bias,because negative views sell
more than positive news, becausethey're trying whether you're
left, right, democrat,republican, cnn functions,
whatever the case may be, youknow every, every media outlet
(05:59):
out there is going to angle itin a negative way, because
that's how they get clickbait,that's how they get, I mean,
like, viewers.
And the more you at least on mypersonal opinion, the more you
fill yourself or your brain withnegative news.
That's how you're going to seethe world anyway.
So to me it's like I don't wantthat to start affecting my life
(06:21):
.
I see a lot of miserable peoplejust being extremely triggered.
Or if Trump does something, orif Kamala does something, or if
Biden or whatever, like okay,whatever they do, it's not truly
going to affect you that much.
I come from a third worldcountry.
Whatever they, they did, thosepoliticians or or or just
corrupt people were doing wereaffecting us.
(06:41):
But when you're in a foreigncountry, but what those people
do, it's like your life is notgoing to change that much.
Sure, the price of eggs arehigher?
Uh, people, people are notmaking enough money to pay the
bills.
That's going to happen, andthat is beyond who's sitting in
a at the position chair.
(07:02):
Having said that, just that, Iwent sort of on a tangent.
But going back to your initialquestions and why I started out,
why did I start my podcast?
You said to me years and yearsago probably 2017, 2018 I was
listening to a podcast for thefirst time called how I built
this.
They interview entrepreneurs.
(07:24):
What?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
was it calling them?
What was it called daniel?
How I built this.
I built this.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, okay, okay how I built this and and this guy is
an amazing interviewer, amazingstoryteller he has interviewed
the founders of software.
So boston beer company, if theysee, if they see impetus chips
and my cuban and StaceyImpetuships, and Mike Cuban and
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Liquid Deck all these amazingentrepreneurs and he has shared
their stories and how they builtsuch empires.
Anyhow, the whole purpose of melistening to the podcast was to
hopefully get a business ideaand after binging like 30, 40
episodes, I did not get a singlebusiness idea, which is like,
okay, this kind of sucks becauseI didn't get any.
(08:10):
But I gained a new love andappreciation for storytelling,
for listening to people'sstories.
So it came out it would be coolif one day I do a podcast, or
just as a hobby.
It wasn't something that asimportant.
It wasn't something that, oh,it's going to be my last name or
it's going to be on my bucketlist.
To me it was hey, if it happens, awesome, if it doesn't, you
(08:30):
know no big deal.
Fast forward a few years laterto 2023,.
I went through some shit in mylife and that point my intuition
was telling me now this is theright time to pursue that and I
have such an incredible clarityfor the first time in my life of
what I wanted to do with mylife and what direction I should
(08:52):
take, and that's what I endedup doing.
That's what I did.
That's what I started.
Hey, I did some research.
I'm going to give myself fouror five months to do as much
research as I can to startbuilding a website, to start
building the entire all thefoundations that I needed to
launch a podcast.
And first week of 2004, Ilaunched the first episode and
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then I've been doing every weekever since.
But I had to sit with an ideain 2022 and ask myself do I
truly want to do this?
If this is my question, I thinkit's intuition or desire.
Is this desire because it lookseasy?
People are making money out ofit not everyone very few, by the
(09:34):
way but it's because it lookscool?
Or it's something deeper thanmy body, or my higher self
however you want to call it istelling me to pursue that, like
I said, for two weeks or fourweeks, without idea, without
thought.
It's like you know what.
This is what I want to pursue,because when I didn't know
(09:54):
anything about podcasts, I foundit fascinating, so that's how I
got to.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Wow, man, yeah, dude, that's phenomenal.
And Daniel, you're doing things, um, you know you're going,
you're, you're, you're giving it, so, so this is, uh, I think
these are where some points,some some focal points, where
our podcasts, obviously thegrand theme, right, having
conversations with people andexplaining, um, you know how
(10:24):
they're doing what they're doing, or just about life general.
See, you do all this research,you did research before you
started the podcast, you're, youknow some analytics about
podcasts.
You're like, you know what theheck you're doing, you, you, you
give it a hundred percent, um,effort, daniel, see, I, uh, I
must admit that that that I, I,I have, I have asked it, um, I
(10:46):
must admit that I half-ass it, Icut corners and I half-ass it
and it's really not currentlyit's not having my son being a
father.
Being his dad is my number onegoal, my number one priority,
and I love it, I love it, I can,I love it, I can't wait till
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the little guy starts talkingand stuff like that.
As far as, like, work, thingsgo with me, it's very rarely can
I say like I enjoy it so much.
I love it.
Now, it's not necessarily work,I have made money off of it, it
, but that's not the end, all beall either.
My biggest thing is I have aproblem quitting like I just
(11:31):
want to.
I just want to.
I want to just like quit butthe bot, but.
But I have a problem with that,even if I know that if I give
it all my effort and energy it'sgoing to make it.
It's going going to be one ofthe top podcasts in the world,
which essentially it already is,compared to most podcasters.
But it's like I don't, I don'tcare that much about, about the
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limelight or the podcast, but Ido think that my perspective is
better than most.
But you know, our podcasts arevery similar.
It's just you, you're going allin on yours.
You know our podcasts are verysimilar.
It's just you, you're going allin on yours.
Um, and you know, give me breakout some analytics from your
research, cause I know you knowyou know about the podcast game.
(12:18):
So, cause, last time we talked,the first, the first and only
other time we spoke, you you hadsome analytics about it, about
like, so how many, how manypeople quit after, like you know
, a couple episodes or whatever.
So that's my problem I can'tquit, I want to quit.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I can't Okay, let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this who madethe rule?
Who made the rule that youcannot quit?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You know, I just feel like such a little or a pussy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I shouldn't care, but yes.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But why?
Okay?
So now and this is fascinating,by the way I'm going to ask
this question because I'm a verycurious person.
Clearly, that is attached to astory, right, if I quit, I'm a
bitch, I'm a pussy, I'm a loser,I'm you know, fill in the blank
(13:15):
.
But at the end of the day,that's a story, a story that
probably was created inchildhood.
Childhood and you were notaware, like many, like most of
us it's not every single personout there is not aware of these
stories being created inchildhood.
Stories, at the end of the day,were created by our brains to
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give a meaning, to help usunderstand a situation.
But those stories are notnecessarily true anymore and we
do have the power of rewritingthe story.
But the question that I wouldask is why do you feel that you
will be like that, called aloser, called a bitch, called
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however you want to call it, ifyou quit?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Because, you know, the whole podcast itself is
basically overcoming, like,persevering, and overcoming, um
obstacles, and one obstacle thatthat I have is myself.
It's my biggest obstacle, it'sit's everybody's biggest
obstacle is the man in themirror.
So, you know, I'm out heregetting people to come on and
(14:24):
share their stories and talk,and then here on a podcast about
persevering, and then here I amjust quitting, but it's not
because I don't respect or lovetheir stories and talking with
people like yourself or myself,since you and I are pretty much
the same, different humans, butsame name and same podcasts
(14:48):
we're dealing with here.
But I don't know, and not thefear of judgment so much, but
the fear of I, the feeling Iwould get if it became like
number one or something would beawesome or something would be
would be awesome because I knowthat it was.
You know, although I don't Idon't do all the research and do
(15:16):
all the things that aprofessional may do I, I still
think just making it and and andand making it to the top would
would, would you know, proveeverybody that ever doubted me,
um, all the naysayers and andnon-supporting people, prove
them wrong.
Um, and also, like, not make ajoke out of myself after doing
(15:38):
it for almost five years andthen stopping, and you know, I
don't know obviously if if itmade it to the top.
It is a shit ton of money and Iknow I want to say, like donate
a lot of it, but currently I Idon't do enough donating or or
or helping those less fortunate,so I tend to to run um for, for
(16:02):
for veterans.
I tend to to when I can donateto, to smaller non-profits for
veterans, so I'd be able, when Ican donate to smaller
nonprofits for veterans, so I'dbe able to do that with a lot
more money.
So there's self-interestinvolved, but it's all ego and
that's pretty much it.
And the cool thing aboutpodcasting is it's like a
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journal, right for people.
The cool thing about podcastingis it's like a like a journal
right For people.
So if one of one of the guestsdied on my, on my podcast, he of
terminal brain cancer and youknow his story is there for
anybody that was close to him tohear his voice and and and hear
us joking around and and stufflike that, you know.
So it's something that lastsforever if it's active or if it
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keeps.
I don't know what happens if Ijust stop podcasting and stop
paying the Buzzsproutsubscription fee.
I wonder if the podcasts stayon there, but I think that's one
of the benefits of it.
I don't know, daniel, I don'tknow where I'm at with it.
I think that's one of thebenefits of it.
(17:10):
I don't know, daniel, I don'tknow where I'm at with it.
70% of me right now just wantsto fold up shop, walk away, and
29% of me I don't really knowwhat to do.
But 1% of me is saying keepgoing.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Don't be a quitter, you know.
I think it's interesting andfascinating because you started
by saying that you started apodcast just to overcome your
addiction of gambling.
And one thing I learned aboutaddictions is I don't think we
truly overcome addiction.
We just change addictions tosomething.
You know how it could beworking out.
(17:48):
It could be hiking, it could berunning, could be anything else
.
However, however, and and and.
We just pick healthieraddictions, I guess.
But for you, by the way, I have.
I have started business in thepast.
I've tried other things, I'vehad half it and then I've quit.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
In the past, in fact, in my mind, Wait, you did
half-ass it or you never didhalf-ass it.
You never half-assed.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
With other businesses .
No, I have.
Yes, I have half-assed it.
And then I realized, and Irealized, and I realized that
they were not truly aligned withwhat I'm looking for.
See, we, and that's why Istopped myself and I wanted to
ask myself the question am Idoing, truly wanna do this?
Because we, as humans, we tendto go after the shiny object.
I'm not saying that, that'swhat you did.
(18:36):
But then we see people making agood living or doing something
where they eat, just like dropshipping or crypto or Amazon,
you know, like FBA and thingslike that, and we just want to
make money.
And then when we jump into itand then we start doing it, it's
like okay, shit, I don't evenlike this thing.
And then you sort of have toask it because you're not
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involved emotionally andpassionately for that specific
thing.
And it doesn't mean that if youquit you're a quitter, it just
means that the passion or thetrue alignment I don't know if
podcasting is aligned with youTo me, in my personal experience
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, or at least in my podcastjourney, I've done it for a
while and I've done it withoutgetting any results, without
making any money, with havingvery little growth in the last
whatever, uh, 15 months, I stillgo for it because it is, once
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again, it is aligned and I havelike a the clear, clear vision.
But what I'm trying to say withthis like maybe, maybe I'm not,
I'm not 100% sure about this theonly person, the only person
that could, the only person thatcan answer this question is you
.
It's like, okay, I understandthat doing something like
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quitting might have a verysignificant impact on you, on
the ego that is normal, we areall humans, right but it's
almost like you can just reframeit Instead of saying, hey, I
don't want to quit because I'llbe a quitter, well, maybe I
should stop doing this and I'llfind something that aligns more
(20:22):
with what I want to pursue andaligns more with what I want to
achieve.
I'm not saying that you don'twant to achieve success on
podcast.
I'm not saying that, butprobably because it's important
to me.
I would love to achieve successon many different areas, but
then which one aligns betterwith me?
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And not only with the values,but mostly with your internal
self, I guess.
And once you find that, thenit's so much easier to stick to
it, even though you have beendoing it for five years.
I mean, that is endurance.
And if you were asking meearlier what the numbers are,
90% of the podcasts.
(21:03):
According to some you knownumbers out there 90% of the
podcasts don't pass episodethree and of the 10% remaining,
90% of them don't pass episode20.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So if you have- Wait, don't pass which one.
Don't pass what?
Episode 20.
Damn Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So by you having 21 episodes, you are in the top 1%
of all the podcasts.
In the future of podcasts Now Idon't know how updated those
numbers are Podcasts can have,you know, like just well, it's
just, there's so many podcastsout there now, but it could be
still relatively to that.
I know a few people who sort ofstarted a podcast because,
again, a lot of a lot of peoplesee the new shining object oh, I
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would just sit with my buddiesor with my friends, I'll have a
nice conversation, we're goingto have a great time, we're
going to go viral and then we'regoing to make money.
It is not like that.
Some people might need, youknow, that luck, but for the
large, large, large majorityfrom the probably 99.8 percent
of people or just podcast, it'snot going to be like that.
(22:13):
So the fact that you've beendoing it for five years talked a
lot about the, the enduranceand the consistency.
But at the same time, theendurance and the consistency
but at the same time, when yousay that you can only enjoy the
conversations to some extent, weall enjoy conversations because
we are social species.
We like to connect to others.
(22:33):
But if you don't truly, if youdon't enjoy at all, like zero,
like, hey, I hate this or Iextremely dislike doing
everything else.
Probably podcasting, no, mightbe, might not be the thing for
you, but you're the only onethat can truly answer that
(22:55):
question yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I mean yeah, I mean that's pretty much.
Yeah, that's pretty much whereI'm at, daniel I.
I mean it just doesn't alignwith who I am.
But then I think, well, doesGod want me to continue Because
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he understands that myperspective is is more unique?
Or I do think that myperspective on things and my, my
open mindfulness and and myability to articulate things
although I am very uneducated onmany things, I think that I can
speak to a bunch of differentpeople from a bunch of different
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cultures and not sound like acomplete jag on.
But, who knows, man, I mean,why do you?
Why do you so?
So so now, so now that, howmany years are you in?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
okay.
So before I answer that, youcan still deliver your message,
but it might tell it might benot through podcast, it could be
a blog, it could be justwriting articles.
It could be not throughpodcasting.
It could be a blog, it could bejust writing articles, it could
be writing a book, it could begiving speeches.
I mean, if you feel that youhave a unique message and a
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unique perspective because weall have a unique perspective
whether yours aligns more withwhat people need to hear or what
people need to know, podcastingis just one avenue.
You have so many differentother avenues that you can
exploit or at least explore andsee which one aligns more with
your lifestyle, with who you areas a person.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But then I mean there are limitless possibilities to
what you can do with your, buteventually, Daniel, the, the
easiest method to reach as manypeople would be would be
podcasting it to spread amessage.
But I really, more so thanspreading a message, I think
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it's more so like just myability I'm not just my ability
to communicate and listen,listen to to others and and hear
their message without without,like you know, although I have
my values and my views.
I would invite them on thedaily American because I, the
daily American, I mean I believewe all do have that one, Um, we
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all have one, we're all one.
I mean, no man is better thananother the homeless guy or
Donald Trump or Joe Biden, Um,and the janitor.
(25:40):
We are all equal in the eyes ofthe man upstairs.
Daniel Cianci.
It's like I'm speaking tomyself, Daniel.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The younger version of you.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
The younger version.
Yeah, that's right.
How old are you?
33.
See if there are other DanielCianci's in the world.
And there happens to be anotherDaniel Cianci who is from
Venezuela and he currently livesin Houston, texas, and he has a
(00:32):
podcast on wisdom.
Now, I'm not saying that's myniche, but there's no that you
can't make this stuff up, thesesynchronicities.
There's just no chance on God'sgreen earth that this is just
by pure pure luck.
Now I see Daniel puts out a lotof awesome content.
You know he has guests on hispodcast as well, and I reached
(00:58):
out to him via LinkedIn and wehad like an hour long
conversation, our firstdiscussion, and this is our
second discussion, and we werejust getting into.
You know, I personally I hate, Idon't hate it, but I dislike
podcasting.
I sound like a whiny littlebaby, but I dislike podcasting.
I dislike the editing and themonotony of podcasts.
(01:19):
I don't even put videos outthere like that.
I mean, sometimes I'll do somereels.
I had a couple before in thepast, but it's just not my forte
.
But he asked me a very simplequestion.
He said well, why did you startpodcasting Now, dan?
Yo, Daniel, I've said this inthe past.
I am a hardcore gambler.
(01:40):
I've I've lost a ton of moneyin the past and before I won a
lot of money and lost a lot ofmoney.
But before this, five years agoor what have you, it was 2000
and I want to say 2021 or two,yeah, 2021.
I, I prayed to God to replacethe gambling addiction.
(02:03):
That's what I did.
To replace the gamblingaddiction.
That's what I did.
But I couldn't sleep that nightand I just clicked record on my
phone and started like makingjokes and I sent it to my
brother and a couple of peopleand they said it was pretty
funny and I was like I'm goingto start a podcast.
I'm going to try to do theimpossible A grassroots podcast
(02:24):
with people that are not wellknown but have incredible
stories.
Like every human being has anawesome story.
So I couldn't sleep that night.
I prayed about it.
I couldn't sleep that night andI started the podcast.
But what I just realized as Iwas saying, that is, I prayed to
replace my gambling addiction.
I didn't pray to, I didn't prayto, um, I didn't pray to to
(02:50):
give me the next best, uh, abusiness idea or the next best
idea.
I prayed to simply replace mygambling addiction.
I started gambling again afterthat.
Um, currently I'm I'm notactively gambling.
I'll probably gamble again.
It's not like, but now that Ihave a son, it's like.
It's not as important to me,daniel.
(03:13):
So that's why I started.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And why did you start yours?
Okay, so first of all, thankyou for sharing that story.
I understand, I mean Iunderstand why you lost a lot of
money, because when you bet onPhilly sports teams, you're
going to lose a bunch of money.
That is a given.
That's on you, my brother,that's on you, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, I'm a Steelers fan but I do like the Sixers and
the Flyers and I don't like Idon't follow hockey like that,
but I like the Flyers.
I also like the Penguins.
They were a pretty, not adynasty, but they were very good
in in like the past few years.
They're always in there.
They're always contentious.
And then the Eagles.
(04:00):
I rooted for him this SuperBowl, but I am not an Eagles fan
.
I repeat not an.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Eagles fan.
I repeat, not an Eagles fan.
I think that was your issue.
You.
You were betting on the wrongteam.
You know that's.
You know haven't done shit inthe last whatever.
See, see if the longer last.
You know Super Bowl, like that15 years ago.
But then also you're betting onthe six or six aside Just hey.
So you're betting on the Sixers.
Sixers are just hey.
I mean, I don't.
It's almost like you're bettingon a big player, that is a.
(04:30):
You're going to lose moneyregardless.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, you're right, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a
whiny baby.
That that doesn't, doesn't youknow?
He he's very good, he's adominant basketball player.
But the whole Sixersorganization.
Some people think that they'retanking again.
But you know, currently, daniel, I've been unplugged from
sports and the news.
Just the past few days I'vewatched a couple ABC news, like
(04:57):
you know, ABC news, but politics, I, I, I my last couple
episodes they were heavily inpolitics, but I, I like to stray
away from it.
Religion, though I lovediscussions on on god, or the
lack thereof for certain peopleno for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
But uh, yeah, I, I, I , when it comes to sport, I
rarely, I mean, I don't watchentire game, I don't have the
time, I would just watch acouple highlights or news.
Okay, I'm sort of saying I'maware of what's happening across
different leagues, politics.
I, just, I, I just don't getinto that because to me it feels
(05:37):
like because we have anegativity bias, because, uh,
because we have a negative bias,because negative views sell
more than positive news, becausethey're trying whether you're
left, right, democrat,republican, cnn functions,
whatever the case may be, youknow every, every media outlet
(05:59):
out there is going to angle itin a negative way, because
that's how they get clickbait,that's how they get, I mean,
like, viewers.
And the more you at least on mypersonal opinion, the more you
fill yourself or your brain withnegative news.
That's how you're going to seethe world anyway.
So to me it's like I don't wantthat to start affecting my life
(06:21):
.
I see a lot of miserable peoplejust being extremely triggered.
Or if Trump does something, orif Kamala does something, or if
Biden or whatever, like okay,whatever they do, it's not truly
going to affect you that much.
I come from a third worldcountry.
Whatever they, they did, thosepoliticians or or or just
corrupt people were doing wereaffecting us.
(06:41):
But when you're in a foreigncountry, but what those people
do, it's like your life is notgoing to change that much.
Sure, the price of eggs arehigher?
Uh, people, people are notmaking enough money to pay the
bills.
That's going to happen, andthat is beyond who's sitting in
a at the position chair.
(07:02):
Having said that, just that, Iwent sort of on a tangent.
But going back to your initialquestions and why I started out,
why did I start my podcast?
You said to me years and yearsago probably 2017, 2018 I was
listening to a podcast for thefirst time called how I built
this.
They interview entrepreneurs.
(07:24):
What?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
was it calling them?
What was it called daniel?
How I built this.
I built this.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, okay, okay how I built this and and this guy is
an amazing interviewer, amazingstoryteller he has interviewed
the founders of software.
So boston beer company, if theysee, if they see impetus chips
and my cuban and StaceyImpetuships, and Mike Cuban and
(07:49):
Liquid Deck all these amazingentrepreneurs and he has shared
their stories and how they builtsuch empires.
Anyhow, the whole purpose of melistening to the podcast was to
hopefully get a business ideaand after binging like 30, 40
episodes, I did not get a singlebusiness idea, which is like,
okay, this kind of sucks becauseI didn't get any.
(08:10):
But I gained a new love andappreciation for storytelling,
for listening to people'sstories.
So it came out it would be coolif one day I do a podcast, or
just as a hobby.
It wasn't something that asimportant.
It wasn't something that, oh,it's going to be my last name or
it's going to be on my bucketlist.
To me it was hey, if it happens, awesome, if it doesn't, you
(08:30):
know no big deal.
Fast forward a few years laterto 2023,.
I went through some shit in mylife and that point my intuition
was telling me now this is theright time to pursue that and I
have such an incredible clarityfor the first time in my life of
what I wanted to do with mylife and what direction I should
(08:52):
take, and that's what I endedup doing.
That's what I did.
That's what I started.
Hey, I did some research.
I'm going to give myself fouror five months to do as much
research as I can to startbuilding a website, to start
building the entire all thefoundations that I needed to
launch a podcast.
And first week of 2004, Ilaunched the first episode and
(09:13):
then I've been doing every weekever since.
But I had to sit with an ideain 2022 and ask myself do I
truly want to do this?
If this is my question, I thinkit's intuition or desire.
Is this desire because it lookseasy?
People are making money out ofit not everyone very few, by the
(09:34):
way but it's because it lookscool?
Or it's something deeper thanmy body, or my higher self
however you want to call it istelling me to pursue that, like
I said, for two weeks or fourweeks, without idea, without
thought.
It's like you know what.
This is what I want to pursue,because when I didn't know
(09:54):
anything about podcasts, I foundit fascinating, so that's how I
got to.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Wow, man, yeah, dude, that's phenomenal.
And Daniel, you're doing things, um, you know you're going,
you're, you're, you're giving it, so, so this is, uh, I think
these are where some points,some some focal points, where
our podcasts, obviously thegrand theme, right, having
conversations with people andexplaining, um, you know how
(10:24):
they're doing what they're doing, or just about life general.
See, you do all this research,you did research before you
started the podcast, you're, youknow some analytics about
podcasts.
You're like, you know what theheck you're doing, you, you, you
give it a hundred percent, um,effort, daniel, see, I, uh, I
must admit that that that I, I,I have, I have asked it, um, I
(10:46):
must admit that I half-ass it, Icut corners and I half-ass it
and it's really not currentlyit's not having my son being a
father.
Being his dad is my number onegoal, my number one priority,
and I love it, I love it, I can,I love it, I can't wait till
(11:08):
the little guy starts talkingand stuff like that.
As far as, like, work, thingsgo with me, it's very rarely can
I say like I enjoy it so much.
I love it.
Now, it's not necessarily work,I have made money off of it, it
, but that's not the end, all beall either.
My biggest thing is I have aproblem quitting like I just
(11:31):
want to.
I just want to.
I want to just like quit butthe bot, but.
But I have a problem with that,even if I know that if I give
it all my effort and energy it'sgoing to make it.
It's going going to be one ofthe top podcasts in the world,
which essentially it already is,compared to most podcasters.
But it's like I don't, I don'tcare that much about, about the
(11:55):
limelight or the podcast, but Ido think that my perspective is
better than most.
But you know, our podcasts arevery similar.
It's just you, you're going allin on yours.
You know our podcasts are verysimilar.
It's just you, you're going allin on yours.
Um, and you know, give me breakout some analytics from your
research, cause I know you knowyou know about the podcast game.
(12:18):
So, cause, last time we talked,the first, the first and only
other time we spoke, you you hadsome analytics about it, about
like, so how many, how manypeople quit after, like you know
, a couple episodes or whatever.
So that's my problem I can'tquit, I want to quit.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I can't Okay, let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this who madethe rule?
Who made the rule that youcannot quit?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
You know, I just feel like such a little or a pussy.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I shouldn't care, but yes.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But why?
Okay?
So now and this is fascinating,by the way I'm going to ask
this question because I'm a verycurious person.
Clearly, that is attached to astory, right, if I quit, I'm a
bitch, I'm a pussy, I'm a loser,I'm you know, fill in the blank
(13:15):
.
But at the end of the day,that's a story, a story that
probably was created inchildhood.
Childhood and you were notaware, like many, like most of
us it's not every single personout there is not aware of these
stories being created inchildhood.
Stories, at the end of the day,were created by our brains to
(13:37):
give a meaning, to help usunderstand a situation.
But those stories are notnecessarily true anymore and we
do have the power of rewritingthe story.
But the question that I wouldask is why do you feel that you
will be like that, called aloser, called a bitch, called
(13:58):
however you want to call it, ifyou quit?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Because, you know, the whole podcast itself is
basically overcoming, like,persevering, and overcoming, um
obstacles, and one obstacle thatthat I have is myself.
It's my biggest obstacle, it'sit's everybody's biggest
obstacle is the man in themirror.
So, you know, I'm out heregetting people to come on and
(14:24):
share their stories and talk,and then here on a podcast about
persevering, and then here I amjust quitting, but it's not
because I don't respect or lovetheir stories and talking with
people like yourself or myself,since you and I are pretty much
the same, different humans, butsame name and same podcasts
(14:48):
we're dealing with here.
But I don't know, and not thefear of judgment so much, but
the fear of I, the feeling Iwould get if it became like
number one or something would beawesome or something would be
would be awesome because I knowthat it was.
You know, although I don't Idon't do all the research and do
(15:16):
all the things that aprofessional may do I, I still
think just making it and and andand making it to the top would
would, would you know, proveeverybody that ever doubted me,
um, all the naysayers and andnon-supporting people, prove
them wrong.
Um, and also, like, not make ajoke out of myself after doing
(15:38):
it for almost five years andthen stopping, and you know, I
don't know obviously if if itmade it to the top.
It is a shit ton of money and Iknow I want to say, like donate
a lot of it, but currently I Idon't do enough donating or or
or helping those less fortunate,so I tend to to run um for, for
(16:02):
for veterans.
I tend to to when I can donateto, to smaller non-profits for
veterans, so I'd be able, when Ican donate to smaller
nonprofits for veterans, so I'dbe able to do that with a lot
more money.
So there's self-interestinvolved, but it's all ego and
that's pretty much it.
And the cool thing aboutpodcasting is it's like a
(16:25):
journal, right for people.
The cool thing about podcastingis it's like a like a journal
right For people.
So if one of one of the guestsdied on my, on my podcast, he of
terminal brain cancer and youknow his story is there for
anybody that was close to him tohear his voice and and and hear
us joking around and and stufflike that, you know.
So it's something that lastsforever if it's active or if it
(16:49):
keeps.
I don't know what happens if Ijust stop podcasting and stop
paying the Buzzsproutsubscription fee.
I wonder if the podcasts stayon there, but I think that's one
of the benefits of it.
I don't know, daniel, I don'tknow where I'm at with it.
I think that's one of thebenefits of it.
(17:10):
I don't know, daniel, I don'tknow where I'm at with it.
70% of me right now just wantsto fold up shop, walk away, and
29% of me I don't really knowwhat to do.
But 1% of me is saying keepgoing.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Don't be a quitter, you know.
I think it's interesting andfascinating because you started
by saying that you started apodcast just to overcome your
addiction of gambling.
And one thing I learned aboutaddictions is I don't think we
truly overcome addiction.
We just change addictions tosomething.
You know how it could beworking out.
(17:48):
It could be hiking, it could berunning, could be anything else
.
However, however, and and and.
We just pick healthieraddictions, I guess.
But for you, by the way, I have.
I have started business in thepast.
I've tried other things, I'vehad half it and then I've quit.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
In the past, in fact, in my mind, Wait, you did
half-ass it or you never didhalf-ass it.
You never half-assed.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
With other businesses .
No, I have.
Yes, I have half-assed it.
And then I realized, and Irealized, and I realized that
they were not truly aligned withwhat I'm looking for.
See, we, and that's why Istopped myself and I wanted to
ask myself the question am Idoing, truly wanna do this?
Because we, as humans, we tendto go after the shiny object.
I'm not saying that, that'swhat you did.
(18:36):
But then we see people making agood living or doing something
where they eat, just like dropshipping or crypto or Amazon,
you know, like FBA and thingslike that, and we just want to
make money.
And then when we jump into itand then we start doing it, it's
like okay, shit, I don't evenlike this thing.
And then you sort of have toask it because you're not
(18:56):
involved emotionally andpassionately for that specific
thing.
And it doesn't mean that if youquit you're a quitter, it just
means that the passion or thetrue alignment I don't know if
podcasting is aligned with youTo me, in my personal experience
(19:16):
, or at least in my podcastjourney, I've done it for a
while and I've done it withoutgetting any results, without
making any money, with havingvery little growth in the last
whatever, uh, 15 months, I stillgo for it because it is, once
(19:37):
again, it is aligned and I havelike a the clear, clear vision.
But what I'm trying to say withthis like maybe, maybe I'm not,
I'm not 100% sure about this theonly person, the only person
that could, the only person thatcan answer this question is you
.
It's like, okay, I understandthat doing something like
(19:59):
quitting might have a verysignificant impact on you, on
the ego that is normal, we areall humans, right but it's
almost like you can just reframeit Instead of saying, hey, I
don't want to quit because I'llbe a quitter, well, maybe I
should stop doing this and I'llfind something that aligns more
(20:22):
with what I want to pursue andaligns more with what I want to
achieve.
I'm not saying that you don'twant to achieve success on
podcast.
I'm not saying that, butprobably because it's important
to me.
I would love to achieve successon many different areas, but
then which one aligns betterwith me?
(20:43):
And not only with the values,but mostly with your internal
self, I guess.
And once you find that, thenit's so much easier to stick to
it, even though you have beendoing it for five years.
I mean, that is endurance.
And if you were asking meearlier what the numbers are,
90% of the podcasts.
(21:03):
According to some you knownumbers out there 90% of the
podcasts don't pass episodethree and of the 10% remaining,
90% of them don't pass episode20.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So if you have- Wait, don't pass which one.
Don't pass what?
Episode 20.
Damn Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So by you having 21 episodes, you are in the top 1%
of all the podcasts.
In the future of podcasts Now Idon't know how updated those
numbers are Podcasts can have,you know, like just well, it's
just, there's so many podcastsout there now, but it could be
still relatively to that.
I know a few people who sort ofstarted a podcast because,
again, a lot of a lot of peoplesee the new shining object oh, I
(21:51):
would just sit with my buddiesor with my friends, I'll have a
nice conversation, we're goingto have a great time, we're
going to go viral and then we'regoing to make money.
It is not like that.
Some people might need, youknow, that luck, but for the
large, large, large majorityfrom the probably 99.8 percent
of people or just podcast, it'snot going to be like that.
(22:13):
So the fact that you've beendoing it for five years talked a
lot about the, the enduranceand the consistency.
But at the same time, theendurance and the consistency
but at the same time, when yousay that you can only enjoy the
conversations to some extent, weall enjoy conversations because
we are social species.
We like to connect to others.
(22:33):
But if you don't truly, if youdon't enjoy at all, like zero,
like, hey, I hate this or Iextremely dislike doing
everything else.
Probably podcasting, no, mightbe, might not be the thing for
you, but you're the only onethat can truly answer that
(22:55):
question yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I mean yeah, I mean that's pretty much.
Yeah, that's pretty much whereI'm at, daniel I.
I mean it just doesn't alignwith who I am.
But then I think, well, doesGod want me to continue Because
(23:18):
he understands that myperspective is is more unique?
Or I do think that myperspective on things and my, my
open mindfulness and and myability to articulate things
although I am very uneducated onmany things, I think that I can
speak to a bunch of differentpeople from a bunch of different
(23:40):
cultures and not sound like acomplete jag on.
But, who knows, man, I mean,why do you?
Why do you so?
So so now, so now that, howmany years are you in?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
okay.
So before I answer that, youcan still deliver your message,
but it might tell it might benot through podcast, it could be
a blog, it could be justwriting articles.
It could be not throughpodcasting.
It could be a blog, it could bejust writing articles, it could
be writing a book, it could begiving speeches.
I mean, if you feel that youhave a unique message and a
(24:14):
unique perspective because weall have a unique perspective
whether yours aligns more withwhat people need to hear or what
people need to know, podcastingis just one avenue.
You have so many differentother avenues that you can
exploit or at least explore andsee which one aligns more with
your lifestyle, with who you areas a person.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But then I mean there are limitless possibilities to
what you can do with your, buteventually, Daniel, the, the
easiest method to reach as manypeople would be would be
podcasting it to spread amessage.
But I really, more so thanspreading a message, I think
(24:58):
it's more so like just myability I'm not just my ability
to communicate and listen,listen to to others and and hear
their message without without,like you know, although I have
my values and my views.
I would invite them on thedaily American because I, the
daily American, I mean I believewe all do have that one, Um, we
(25:18):
all have one, we're all one.
I mean, no man is better thananother the homeless guy or
Donald Trump or Joe Biden, Um,and the janitor.
(25:40):
We are all equal in the eyes ofthe man upstairs.
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