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September 18, 2024 27 mins
Begin with an introduction and overview of the episode. Delve into the importance of selecting the right wood for renovations and decor, with a focus on understanding the Janka Hardness Scale. Gain insightful interior design tips for kitchen renovations that balance functionality and personal style. Explore smart furniture choices with innovative side tables that add flair to any room. Discover creative painting techniques that can transform a space, and learn how to utilize the ceiling as the fifth wall with designer-approved colors. Wrap up with a summary of the episode's key insights and suggestions.
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Welcome back to another episode of DailyInterior Design Inspo!
I am your host, Betsy Helmuth, and today wehave an exciting lineup of topics that will
help you make your home stylish withoutbreaking the bank.
Whether you are in NYC, Westchester, NewJersey, Connecticut, or Washington DC, we have
got you covered.

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Let us dive right into today’s first segment,which is all about the most common types of
wood used in flooring, furniture, and decor.
When undergoing a renovation, the process seemseasy from the start.
Choose a few common materials, install them,and voila.
It is not until you actually undergo theproject that it hits you: Wow, there sure are a

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lot of options to choose from.
And wood is one of those familiar materialsthat surprisingly comes with a ton of grains
and finishes to sift through.
“Without proper research, you risk choosing awood that is difficult to work with, expensive,
or prone to weakness, which could lead topotential failure or added costs,” says Luther

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Fors, merchant at The Home Depot.
“You want to choose a material that is easy towork with, durable, and visually appealing.
This can save you money and result in alasting, attractive project.”
But where do you start?
It can be overwhelming to choose the “right”wood when there are so many options on the

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market, which is why I have created a cheatsheet that describes the types of wood that are
best for a range of well-known projects.
Read on to save yourself from second-guessingin the future.
Let us start with the best wood for floors.
When shopping for wood that will be installedas flooring, you will want to pay attention to

two factors (01:54):
What level of durability you need, and what look you are hoping to achieve.
“Hardwoods like oak, hickory, and mahogany areexcellent choices for their resilience against
scratches and dents, as well as their abilityto age gracefully,” Fors says.
“These woods also accept stains and finisheswell, offering versatile aesthetic options,

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too.”

One important tip to keep in mind (02:21):
Always get more wood flooring than you will think you
need, and store any surplus for future repairs.
Buying all the wood at once ensures that youwill get the same coloring throughout, whereas
a future batch may have a slightly differentfinish — which will look noticeable if they are
installed side by side in the same space.

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“Grain is a tree’s unique growth pattern,meaning no two boards are identical,” Fors
adds.
“The grain can be straight, wavy, curly, orirregular, depending on the tree type and how
it is cut.
When working on projects, paying attention tothe grain is crucial for achieving the desired
appearance.”

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Next up, the best wood for furniture.
If you are using wood to build your ownfurniture, then the needs are slightly
different.
Fors has three different recommendations basedon the type of project you may have in mind:

Pinewood (03:20):
“Pinewood is a versatile and readily-available softwood that is perfect for
furniture projects,” he says.
“Its ease of cutting and shaping makes it idealfor do-it-yourself work, and its natural grain
can be left rustic or customized with stain orpaint.”

Medium Density Fiberwood (MDW) (03:39):
“MDW, a resin-bonded blend of hardwood and softwood, is
ideal for hidden cabinet parts and shelving,”he says.
“It is smooth, stable, warp-resistant, and easyto paint, making it durable and cost-effective

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for less visible areas.”

Poplar (04:03):
“Poplar is a cost-effective hardwood ideal for furniture projects,” Fors explains.
“Its fine, even texture takes paint and stainwell, allowing it to resemble more expensive
woods.
It is also ideal for high-traffic areas.”
And finally, the best wood for decor.

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If your project is more about small-scaledecor, Fors says the type of wood still matters
according to how your finished product will beused.
Keep in mind, too, that you will likely want toenhance the wood with a stain or paint later —
and that could influence which wood you pick.
Here is what Fors advises:

Plywood (04:47):
“Made from thin sheets of wood and cured under heat and pressure, plywood is ideal
for do-it-yourself crafts, shelving, andsubfloors,” he says.
“It can be used untreated, painted, or stainedand is available in hardwood and softwood
veneers.”

Hardwood (05:06):
“Hardwood options such as hickory, oak, mahogany, maple, and walnut are ideal for
projects like cabinetry, flooring, andwoodworking due to their durability and elegant
appearance,” Fors notes.

Softwood (05:21):
“Softwoods like pine and cedar are ideal for home construction,” he says.
“Pine is versatile for indoor use, while cedar,with its natural rot resistance, is perfect for
outdoor projects like decking and fencing.”
Now, let us talk about the difference betweenhardwood and softwood.

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There is a common misconception that allhardwoods are hard and all softwoods are soft.
While that is generally true, there is a lot ofvariety in the hardness of both hardwoods and
softwoods.
The main difference between them is actuallythe group of trees from which they originate:
deciduous or coniferous.

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“Hardwood is identified by trees that aredeciduous.
They lose their leaves annually and mostproduce fruits or nuts.
Trees such as maple, cherry, and oak arehardwoods,” says Char Miller-King, an
Atlanta-based woodworker known by her Instagramhandle, @woodenmaven.

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“Softwood trees are known as evergreen orconiferous, and have cones.
These are trees such as pine and fir trees.”
The differentiation between the groups goes farbeyond their leaves and reproduction methods,
too.
“Hardwoods are deciduous trees that grow moreslowly and therefore have tighter rings.

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They are, for the most part, harder, but notalways,” says woodworker and welder Kelly
DeWitt of Austin-based KKDW Construction.
“Softwoods grow relatively quickly, and thatquick growth is what creates a generally softer
wood.”
The relative hardness and softness of variouswoods is not just based on a feeling.

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Woods are ranked for durability using somethingcalled the Janka Hardness Scale.
“The Janka Hardness Scale identifies at whatpoint a 11.28-millimeter [0.444-inch] steel
ball will embed itself halfway through a boardproposed for flooring,” says Miller-King.
If you are looking for durability, you willwant something with a Janka rating of at least

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900, but ideally 1200 for heavy-wear uses likehigh-traffic floors.
“Hardwoods are better suited for areas that aremore susceptible to wear and tear, such as
cabinets, flooring, and countertops,” adds SeanWalsh, chief executive officer of
California-based Walcraft Cabinetry.

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“Softwoods often find their place in the homeas picture frames, crafts, shelves, moldings,
balusters, and even handrails.
It is also common that furniture is craftedwith softer woods such as pine, poplar, or
fir.”
Finally, why do woods have different naturalcolors and grains?

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While woods are often painted or stained, theyinherently have their own colors.
“Woods from different regions around the worldeach have very unique colors and grains, all of
which are only species-specific,” says Walsh.
“They are not affected by where they aregrowing, only what they are in species.”

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Most woods fit in brown and red families, butthere are also black, green, orange, and purple
woods — most of which are only revealed beneatha tree’s bark.
“Purple Heart is the only truly purple wood,”Walsh adds.
“Jatoba, also known as Brazilian Cherry, has adeep reddish-brown base with streaks of black

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running through it and a very straight grain.
American Cherry has a more wavy grain and is anorangish red color that turns darker with age
and exposure to sunlight.”
Grain is evaluated separately from color.
It refers to two main characteristics of thewood: the striping and the texture.

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“What you see when you are looking at woodgrain is the orientation of the wood fiber
cells.
Trees can have open grain or closed grain,which is all based on the pore size of the
cells, the rate at which the tree grows andwhen it was cut,” says Miller-King.

“There are many ways to cut a tree (09:36):
plain sawn, quarter sawn, and flat sawn to name a few.
This influences the grain pattern that isrevealed.”
Have you ever wondered what interior designersreally think about your home?
You cannot tell me I am the only one who hasever worried about this!

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As it turns out, they definitely have thoughts,but they are not as judgmental as you might
expect.
Seriously — all most designers want is for youto have a beautiful, functional home that
matches your needs and taste.
How that is accomplished looks different foreveryone, but there are still some rules and

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recipes they aim to incorporate into everyspace.
To get to the bottom of their favorite andleast favorite things about designing clients’
kitchens, I talked to three designers aboutwhat they wish they would do more and less of.
Here is what they said.
The first thing designers wish clients would domore of in their kitchens is budget for

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quality, elevated appliances.
Your kitchen gets daily use, and SarahAnderson, founder of Chansaerae Designs in
Washington, D.C., recommends you do not settlefor what she calls “rental unit appliances.” Do
your research, and if you can, opt for thebetter warranties and more advanced features.

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Rachel Moriarty, principal designer at RMInteriors in San Diego, California, encourages
you to step away from stainless steel.
“It has dominated kitchens since the nineteeneighties — they can definitely be sleek and
modern, but there are so many options now,” sheexplains.
“Opt for matte black, white with brass, orcolorful finishes for an elevated, more custom

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look.” Another option Cheyenne Ely, owner andprincipal designer at Cheyenne Paige Interiors
in The Woodlands, Texas, likes to use ispanel-ready appliances.
This is because panels on your fridge anddishwasher allow you to better “soak in the
beauty of your kitchen without distractions,”she says.

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Next, incorporate natural elements.
It is easy for a kitchen to look one-note ordated, but adding just a single natural element
can make it timeless.
“A marble backsplash, stained cabinetry, orreclaimed beams extends the lifespan of your
kitchen,” Ely says.
After all, is not the great outdoors the onlything that has never gone out of style?

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Prioritize functionality.
“Good design is so much more than justaesthetics,” Ely emphasizes.
“You have to carefully tailor your kitchendesign to suit your lifestyle, preferences, and
needs.” This might not be as fun as selectingbacksplash tile or paint colors, but the time

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you invest will pay you back in spades.
Anderson adds, “Your kitchen is a really largeinvestment in your home, and it is not like you
can easily shuffle your cabinets or appliancesaround.”
Hire a designer first.
It sounds biased coming from the expertsthemselves, but there are countless pros to

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scheduling even one consultation with aninterior designer.
“They can change the trajectory of your projectby offering solutions to problems you did not
even know you had, or suggesting colors andmaterials that complement your existing
spaces,” explains Ely.
Anderson agrees, saying that a contractor ismore focused on getting the work done.

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“They are looking for you to figure out exactlywhat you want to do, and you might not actually
know,” she elaborates.
“If you hire a designer to come up with theplans, you will get accurate pricing and
minimize surprises.” It is also worth notingthat designers usually have vendors they
partner with that offer quality, fairly pricedgoods and services.

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All in all, a designer can help you preventexpensive mistakes.
Choose what you love.
Nowadays, the design options are limitless.
“There are a vast array of countertop materialsand colors available, from luxurious quartz to
porcelain slabs that look like onyx to recycledglass Vetrazzo,” Moriarty says.

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You have just as much to choose from for yourbacksplash: “Explore formats like hexagons,
herringbone patterns, or even dimensionalshapes.
Patterned tiles, terrazzo tiles, or Zelligetiles can add a unique touch.” As a maximalist,
Moriarty always urges her clients to embracetexture, pattern, and color to create a

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statement kitchen that reflects their personaltaste.
Now, let us talk about the things thatdesigners wish clients would do less of in
their kitchens.
The first mistake is picking all white.
While you may think all-white is the key to akitchen that looks and feels clean, Anderson

insists the opposite is true (14:53):
“As we all know, anything white just attracts dirt — a white
kitchen never stays clean.” Plus, Moriartycalls an abundance of white both “sterile and
impersonal.” She recommends mixing it up alittle bit with “warm wood tones, pops of color
on the wall or cabinets, or dramatic countertopsurfaces.”

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Second, do not worry about resale value.
If your intention is to flip your home withinthe next few years, that is one thing.
If not?
Remember that you are the one who lives thereright now.
“If you do a purple kitchen because you reallylove purple, you are still going to love it in

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twenty years,” Anderson explains.
Even if you might be selling five to ten yearsdown the line, the trends will have already
changed and the buyers will want to change itanyway.
Next, avoid putting the microwave above thestove.
This is another example of what Anderson callsa “rental unit type of situation” — if you have

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the choice, do not put a microwave over yourstove, and give it a proper vent instead.
“The microwave is never high enough, so whenyou are at the stove, your face is basically in
the microwave,” she explains.
“But you cannot put the microwave too highbecause then you will not be able to reach it
to use it, so it is just not the idealposition.” Alternatively, you can install one

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in your island, or tuck it away in an appliancegarage.
Also, do not feel obligated to add an island.
In some cases, islands are a functionalgame-changer.
Other times, the kitchen is so large that itdoes not make sense to not include one.
Either way, they still are not technicallynecessary, according to the experts.

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“Instead, you could add a dining table, leavefloor space, create a galley kitchen, or build
a peninsula,” Anderson suggests.

Long story short (17:00):
There are actually more options than you think.
Finally, rethink the standard-depthrefrigerator.
With a name like “standard-depth,” it seemslike the size would be a no-brainer.
Not so!
Ely recommends counter-depth refrigeratorsinstead, which are flush to the counter and do
not jut out as far as standard-depth, makingthem “incredibly space-saving.” You do not lose

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as much storage as you would think, but if thethought makes you nervous, she recommends you
“consider relocating your standard-depthrefrigerator to the garage.”
Side tables have come a long way.
You can find ones with built-in charging ports,magazine caddies, or even entire floor lamps.

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Innovations like these are a small-spacedweller’s dream; the more two-in-one
furnishings you can include, the better.
Sometimes, though, you just want a simplestorage solution that gives you a bit of extra
shelf space while also looking good in yourspace.
If you head to T.J.
Maxx, you’ll find plenty of examples.

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And we’re not just talking home organizers!
The retailer has a surprisingly large selectionof furniture pieces, many of which look like
something you could find at a high-end storelike CB2 or Restoration Hardware.

Case in point (18:22):
the Jofran Solid Marble C Table.
It might look luxurious, but this side pieceretails for only $130.
The only small issue with T.J.
Maxx is that its inventory usually doesn’t stayin stock for very long, so if you want it, you
don’t have too long to grab it.

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What is the Jofran Solid Marble C Table?
Clearly, this marble find isn’t just any sidetable.
For one, it has a C shape, which means you canpull it over your lap if you’re sitting on the
couch or even in bed.
A sturdy base keeps it stationary even if youset your meal, laptop, or other items on the 14

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inch by 10 inch surface.
The silhouette is quite clean, but smalldetails almost make the table look like a
timeless antique, such as the beveled edges.
At 22 inches tall, it’s able to extend overmost standard-height sofas.
Of course, you can also tuck the compact tableinto a corner next to your favorite reading

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chair and use it as a standalone piece.
The styling options are endless, which is muchof what makes this find so fitting for a wide
variety of home aesthetics.
Why will you love the Jofran Solid Marble CTable?
As we just noted, the marble C table is greatfor small spaces.

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Whether you want an eye-catching accent piecethat won’t take up too much square footage or a
little extra storage space, it’ll get the jobdone and look great doing it.
It goes without saying that the Jofran model ismuch more beautiful than your average side
table.
In fact, we’d bet that anyone who visits yourhome will feel compelled to compliment it — the

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unique brown marble is undeniably striking.
Plus, it’s sturdy and timeless, so it’ll holdup much better over time than the fiberboard
Amazon table you might’ve been eyeing.
Finally, $130 for a find this good is anunbeatable deal.
And you don’t even have to go to your localT.J.

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Maxx to get it!
Snag the table on the retailer’s site whileit’s still available, and enjoy the look of an
effortlessly more elevated living space.
Paint is one of the quickest and easiest waysto transform a room.
Short of a down-to-the-studs renovation (which,let’s be honest, will cost you a lot more money
and frustration), no design swap out theregives you more oomph for your effort.

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Whether you’re topping off the trim, painting adoor, or coating the entire wall, one thing is

for sure (20:58):
You’ll be left with a room that feels brand new once you’re finished.
And even if you've just repainted the wallsthroughout your home, there's somewhere you may

have forgotten (21:09):
the ceilings.
“Designers often refer to the ceiling as ‘thefifth wall’ because it holds just as much
potential to transform a space as the otherfour walls,” says designer Becky Shea.
“The ceiling shouldn’t be an afterthought—it’san integral part of the room's design ...

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When the ceiling is treated with the same careas the walls, it can elevate the entire design
and add depth that’s often untapped.”
We've rounded up six designer-approved colorsfor painting your ceiling —plus some hard and
fast rules to consider before cracking openthat can of paint.
From a pale blue reminiscent of a spring sky toa deep forest green that adds instant drama,

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these hues are sure to have everyone in yourhome looking up.
While ceiling paint is a great way to have funwith design, it’s not a move that suits every
decor style—or every room.
“It's not ideal to paint the ceiling adifferent color than the walls in a room that
has very low ceilings,” says Jeanne Barber ofCamden Grace Interiors.

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“Typically, this will make the ceiling feellower than it already is, even if you were to
paint the ceiling white and the walls a darkercolor.” Instead, Barber suggests picking a
single color for both the walls and ceiling,even if your chosen hue is very dark.
“A dark color choice would lean into thecoziness of the space small, while a lighter

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color would give the illusion of a slightlyhigher ceiling,” she adds.
Beyond that, Shea encourages homeowners tocontinue to push their design scheme, even
after making a bold choice like a paintedceiling.
“It’s all about how you thoughtfully composethe room and layer the surrounding elements to

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make the painted ceiling feel intentional andharmonious,” she adds.
“I often like to balance a painted ceiling withluxurious textures—think mohair, boucle, wool,
and cashmere—that bring warmth and tactileinterest to the room.
Even in a more monochromatic palette, it’sessential to introduce contrast in your

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textures or accents to help the space feeldynamic and balanced.
You want to create a feeling that draws peoplein, regardless of ceiling height or room
layout.”
Let us dive into the designer-approved ceilingpaint colors.
First up, Borrowed Light No.
235 by Farrow & Ball.

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If you'd like to stay in more neutralterritory, this barely-there blue—inspired by
summer skies—is a great choice.
“This soft hue is a favorite ceiling paint ofmine to use in bedrooms, living rooms and
dining rooms,” says Barber.
“It’s the perfect calming shade of pale bluethat brings lightness and airiness to any

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room.”
Next, Black Forest Green HC-187 by BenjaminMoore.
If you're ready for a bit more drama, Shearecommends this deep green shade.
“For this home office, our client envisioned aspace that felt rich in tone, evoking the
ambiance of a vintage library,” explains Shea.

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“We ultimately chose Benjamin Moore’s BlackForest Green because of its depth and
complexity.
It’s a color that feels layered andsophisticated, with a timeless quality.
What I love about this particular shade is thatit can stand on its own, without the need for
dramatic contrasts or accents—it creates asense of richness and elegance all by itself.”

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Another great option is Drop Cloth No.
283 by Farrow & Ball.
If you want to keep your walls minimalistic,you can still play around with a slight
difference in the ceiling color, while stayingwithin the same neutral color family.
“When you have tall ceilings, it can be fun topaint the ceiling a couple shades darker than
the walls,” says Barber.

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“This is an easy way to make the space feelmore intimate.
A favorite combo for this kind of treatmentwould be Drop Cloth No.
283 by Farrow & Ball on the ceiling with ShadedWhite No.
201 by Farrow & Ball on the walls.”
Iron Mountain 2134-30 by Benjamin Moore isanother bold choice.

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Painting your ceilings black may sound a bitscary—but this soft black shade has a warm,
inviting feel to it.
“Iron Mountain by Benjamin Moore is a color Inever tire of,” says Shea.
“I use it often because it works beautifully inso many different spaces, especially on
millwork, where it really shines.

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The depth and texture of Iron Mountain create aperfect balance between modernism and natural
elements, which is a hallmark of organicmodernism.
It’s that mix of sophistication and grounded,earthy warmth that makes the space feel both
bold and timeless.”
Do not be afraid to go pink with Pink Drab No.

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208 by Farrow & Ball.
“We love a pink ceiling,” says Barber.
“You can have a lot of fun with color inunexpected places, like a powder room.
Pink Drab No.
208 by Farrow & Ball is a soft, dynamic pinktint that reads completely different depending
on the room and time of day.”

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Finally, Graphite 1603 by Benjamin Moore is adeep gray hue that has a moody, timeless
appeal, pairing especially well with antiquesand vintage touches.
Shea likes this color for its dramatic yetclassic vibe.
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