March 4, 2025 • 22 mins
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Embark on an unforgettable journey with me as I explore the inspiring story of Sarah Shyers, who fulfilled her lifelong dream of hiking the Appalachian Trail. Stretching over 2,194 miles from Georgia to Maine, the AT serves as not just a physical challenge but a profound journey of self-discovery and resilience. Sarah shares her heartwarming experiences, from setting out with her sister to overcoming injuries, and learning invaluable life lessons about flexibility and perseverance along the way.
In this episode, we delve into Sarah's motivations, which stemmed from childhood connections and dreams sparked by her family. As she recounts navigating the challenges of the trail—from extreme weather conditions to unexpected hurdles—Sarah illustrates how these experiences profoundly shaped her. Her lessons about embracing the present, managing expectations, and recognizing the beauty of friendship along the way resonate with anyone, regardless of their hiking experience.
Listeners will gain practical insights into appropriate hiking gear, the importance of planning, and how to tackle obstacles confidently. Sarah’s engaging perspective and relatable anecdotes leave us not only inspired to explore the great outdoors but to apply these lessons of resilience and adaptability into our everyday lives.
Join us in celebrating the spirit of adventure and the wonder of the Appalachian Trail. Be sure to tune in, share the episode, and check out Sarah’s journey through her YouTube channel for more breathtaking experiences and insights!
You can find her first video at Day 1: Part 1 :Appalachian trail 2022 or by searching on heres_2_the_journey on YouTube
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Dan the Road Trip Guy.
I'm your host, dan, and eachweek we'll embark on a new
adventure, discovering memoriesand life lessons of our
incredible guests, from everydaytravelers to thrill seekers and
everyone in between.
This podcast is your front rowseat to inspiring stories of
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So buckle up and enjoy the ride.
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Back in November, november 28th, episode 65, I interviewed a
young lady who walked thePacific Crest Trail, commonly
referred to as the PST.
So you can look back and listento that episode.
But today my guest is SarahShires, and Sarah and I worked
(00:47):
together at the same company andshe took off a time a few years
ago.
We'll get to that.
I don't remember exactly whenit was and she chose to walk on
the East Coast and walk theAppalachian Trail, and we'll
refer to that as the AT duringour conversation.
I'm excited to.
I've been wanting to getSarah's story for quite a while
(01:08):
and we finally connected on itback in December, and now we're
going to do it.
So welcome to the show, sarah.
Thank you Pleasure to have youhere.
Tell my listeners just a littlebit about who is Sarah Shires.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
All right, there's not much to me, but I am, as you
know, a thru-hiker.
I am going back to school rightnow for a dietetics degree,
which I took quite a long breakin between my schooling and I
decided well, I want a collegedegree, so I went back.
I grew up in the greaterCincinnati area in a little town
called Middletown.
(01:41):
I don't live there anymore butit's hometown to me.
But if you're familiar withthat, that's where JD Vance is
from.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, our vice president's from there.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I have connections to there because I grew up in
south-central Kentucky and a lotof people moved there and went
to work back when the steelmills were there.
Yeah, it's not that boomingtown anymore, but they are
revitalizing it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, I see they're trying to bring it back.
Well, it's a pleasure to haveyou here and we'll jump straight
to it, but I always like to askpeople what was your first car?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
My first car that I actually bought was a 2000 Chevy
Impala.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, wow, Now was that used or new?
It was used it was used andwhat color was it?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's like a goldish tannish color yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Now you were telling me earlier.
I asked you if you got, becausein Ohio you can get your permit
at 15 and a half.
You told me that was not thecase for you.
You got it later.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I did.
I got it at 18.
I got my license at 19.
It was more of if I wanted todrive, I had to get a job, pay
for everything myself, pay myway through driving school.
So I decided, well, if I'm 18,I don't have to go to driving
school and I'll just wait.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, there you go.
So now Growing up, did yourfamily, were they hikers, Before
we jump into the story here?
But did you grow up being ahiker?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I grew up being sort of a hiker, it was more.
We did a lot of car camping,with short little hiking trips
while we were camping.
Nothing major.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, so is there any ?
That took me to when youmentioned car camping.
Is there any epic road trips inyour past?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
there we did have quite a few road trips tell me
about one oh, let's see.
I don't remember specifics ofcertain ones, but there is one
thing that always stuck with meevery time we went on a road
trip, we always had car trouble,broke down somewhere on the
road, um.
So I learned a lot of how to beflexible with that.
I know I did go to New York inthat Chevy Impala some while
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back my car was fine.
We get up there and the enginestarts redlining and it breaks
down.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Oh great.
So breakdowns kind of go withSarah, right?
Yeah, yeah, maybe you juststick to hiking and forget the
driving.
Yeah, it's probably better forme.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you just stick to hiking and forget
the driving.
Yeah, it's probably better forme, that's good.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You chose to take on the Appalachian Trail.
For my listeners who don't knowabout that trail, tell us a
little bit about it.
How long is it?
Where does it start?
Stop?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, the Appalachian Trail is an East Coast trail.
It starts in Georgia, ends inMaine.
If you are a southbounder, youwant to say it starts in Maine,
ends in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's about 14 states long.
When I hiked it in 2022, it was2,194 miles.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The mileage changes every year due to rerouting, so
sometimes it grows, sometimes itshrinks.
Okay, I think it's at likethree miles longer this year.
Okay, Even when I was on thetrail it expanded by like 0.3.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh, wow, okay.
So you're thinking, oh, I'malmost finished, and then they
go.
No, it's a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I didn't know if I wanted to go back and hike
that little section or not.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Who maintains the trail?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So it is mainly volunteers.
So there's clubs along theAppalachian trail that it's
usually older retired folks thatgo out every day or weekend and
they each have a section andthey maintain it throughout the
year.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's cool.
And then any idea why the trailcame to be.
We might have to, we might haveto google search that, but do
you have?
Any idea?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I don't.
I remember that there is atrail called the long trail in
vermont.
It was the original white blazeum trail.
So if you're not familiar withwhat a white blaze is, it's a
little blaze, little marking ona tree or a rock that shows
where the trail is.
And the appalachian trail is awhite blaze trail um.
Other offshoots are differentcolors, but the long trail is
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the white trail, the originalwhite trail, and it just kind of
connected all the way down.
So it rerouted.
So the long trail is stillthere but now it's part of the
Appalachian Trail as well?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And had you done long hikes before this?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, what was the longest hike you'd ever done?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So before I decided to actually go on the
Appalachian trail, it was alwaysback in like I had that plan
but it wasn't like, oh, I'mgoing to do it this year.
I think the longest I ever didwas like five miles.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And then I was like, oh, I'm going to go hike, so I
should probably prepare.
So I did like a day hike thatwas nine miles, okay.
And then the year before I didmy hike I did two overnight.
It wasn't overnight backpacking, it was like two or three days
backpacking through Ohio.
That was the only preparation Ihad.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
When you were doing those other hikes, were you
typically a solo hiker.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, I usually hiked with my sister.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So you decided to take on the AT.
We'll call it that because Ilooked it up, I Googled it
because I've never hiked it.
I did see a sign once down inthe Smokies that this was the
Appalachian Trail.
I do know where it's at, yeahit goes right through
Cleveland's Dome.
But what made you want to takeit on?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's been a dream of mine since I was a little girl.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
My mom went to college to be a park ranger or a
park naturalist.
She never did go into that, butshe had this little map of the
Appalachian Trail and at thattime it was only like a thousand
miles and I would always pullit out and I'm like, oh, this is
so cool.
So I was like I'm going to hikethat when I get older.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So it's been in your mind for a long time.
So you said you hiked that in2022.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So you decided to take a break from work, and had
you planned out how long itmight take.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I was planning on about six months.
It took me seven months.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Took you seven months .
Okay, and where did you start?
Did you go southbound ornorthbound?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So I started in Georgia.
Okay, amakula Falls, that'sreally hard to say.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's in the north east portion of the state.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, somebody drove you there, or yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So my parents took me and my sister down there to
start.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
All right.
And did you start by yourselfor did your sister?
Was she hiking with?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
you?
Yeah, she started with me.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, did she go the whole way?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, she lasted about two weeks.
I think it was about two weeksbefore she got an injury, got
off and then came back later.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So she did about a month's worth Wow okay, how many
miles a day was a typical?
What was a typical day?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So when they, when I started out, it was about seven
to eight miles.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Um.
The time I hit Maine it wasabout a 20 miles average.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Okay, you mentioned your sister got injury.
Did you have any injuries alongthe way?
Oh, yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I had a major foot injury which I don't think I let
heal properly, which flared outagain later up the trail.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Wow, okay, is there medical attention on the trail,
or you just got to try to findyour way to the nearest little
clinic?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, you got to find your way.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You go through towns, some areas, or you go across
roads and got to find your way.
Okay, Um, you go through towns,um some areas, or you go across
roads and you can hitch away,hitch your way in to town.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
My last guest that hiked the Pacific crest trail.
She talked about all the peopleshe would meet up with, so I'm
assuming during this time periodyou met up with a lot of other
hikers.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I did.
The Appalachian trail is knownfor how many people are on there
, and usually thousands ofpeople start in the beginning.
By the time you reach the endit's dwindled down to about a
fourth.
So I met a lot of interestingpeople along the way.
I hiked with a few of them andI made some really good friends.
So you hiked to distances withsome of these people?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I assume you had to carry your own food, or
are there places along the waywhere you can stop?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Because the Appalachian Trail is up the East
Coast, there's a lot ofpopulation up the East Coast and
so you go through a lot ofareas that you can have access
to towns.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So you just plan for like three to five days' worth
of food then go into town againand resupply.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay, that injury.
Did you take days off then totry to let it heal a little bit?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I took two days off two days.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, you just pushed on, yeah.
And where did that injuryhappen?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
was that like months into the hike or the time I hit
virginia, so it was about amonth or two in.
I went home for about a weekfor my uncle's funeral.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I came back and I pushed it too hard after taking
a week off, and that's where Igot the injury Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So it was like, hey, you had this momentum going and
you're like I can continue on.
Do you ever get scared outthere?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, people, animals .
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I would say, mostly people.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
A few times animals.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I did have like a bear following me or I always
stepped on a rattlesnake.
You know stuff like that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay, yeah, that wouldn't be.
Yeah, I've always wonderedabout bears because we hike my
wife and I hike but I'm alwayslike you know they tell you to
make noises and stuff You'llscare them off, and I'm always
kind of like I don't know if Ibuy into that it's only the
little ones that scare away thebig ones yeah they don't nothing
(11:17):
.
They realize they're bigger thanyou yeah, you carry your food
or you find food.
I assume you carried some food,yeah, and then uh, what about
overnight?
Are you camping on the groundor are there places to stay?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So along the trail there are 250 shelters.
They're like three-sided sortof.
You can call them like lean-tos.
You just kind of go in, make aspot and you lay down next to a
bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, awkward.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it was awkward the first time.
The more you get to know people, it's just you know scoot over,
I went in.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Wow Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Because it was nice when it was like a thunderstorm
or something, you didn't have toset up a wet tent, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So you did carry a tent.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I did carry a tent.
So I did tent about half thetime.
I stayed in shelters.
About the other half.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, and I assume that these shelters they have
bathhouses.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
They do have Most of them have privies.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There's some of them that don't, so you just got to
go.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Take a cat hole somewhere and do your business.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, what about showers?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, that was a luxury .
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Luxury.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Wow, that was something you have to plan when
you go into town.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, so you would if you went into town?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, so about once a week I'd go into town, do my
resupplies, take a shower, do mylaundry, wash my dishes that I
was carrying.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh, wow, okay, interesting.
So, along the way, any bigchallenges that you face and you
thought oh, this I'm done, yes,I'm going home.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yes, there were a few of those.
One of the main challenges Ifaced was when I got my trail
name.
So a trail name is somethingthat either you give yourself or
someone gives to you, so nobodyknows your real name.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's just like a nickname, so mine was Pathfinder
.
Okay, did you pick that?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I did not.
It was given to me Okay.
So there's an older lady aboutin her 70s.
I went through the Smokiesright after a major snowstorm.
Okay, it was very, very cold.
It's like low, maybe like sevendegrees.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's pretty cold for Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And she was hiking extremely slow, she was
dehydrated but she would not getoff the trail and so I hiked
with her and it took about twodays to go six miles and it was
really trying for me because itwas really cold and you know I
was just like why do I have todo this?
And you know it was a lot ofmental growth for me, character
(13:43):
growth.
Well, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, and you know, just helping somebody else.
That seems to me what thesetrail hikes are about.
You know I haven't talked toMiranda earlier about hers and,
listening to you, Everybody'sout there to try to pull this
off On the Appalachian Trail.
Is that a lot of elevationchange?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yes, the three trails the Pacific Crest Trail, the
Continental Bight Trail and theAppalachian Trail.
The Appalachian Trail is thehardest by elevation-wise even
though it's shorter.
Wow.
So the equivalent elevationchange over the entire trail is
equivalent to hiking MountEverest 16 times up and down.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wow, who would have even thought that?
Right, you would think you knowout in the Rockies or someplace
would be much more difficultWeather.
You mentioned the snow.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
How was the weather during your I hit everything
from extreme cold and snow andice to extremely wet weather and
really hot dry temperaturesthrough Virginia, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Did you have enough gear?
Or is this a point where you gooh my gosh, I didn't bring that
.
I got to go into town and getanother jacket.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
No, I brought enough gear.
I think I probably brought alittle too much gear.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, kind of weight where you carry it.
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Uh, I think with food and water I probably reached
about 30, 35 pounds, Cause themore gear you shed, the more you
eat as well.
Um, and so your food getsreally heavy.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Um sure, yeah, you started in Georgia, you ended up
in Maine, and how long did ittake?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Uh, it took me seven months, seven months.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So that was what I didn't ask you when you started.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I started February 18th.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay, so February?
So yeah, still a little bitcooler in the south.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
But at least you could get through those more
northeastern states when it'snot cold, yes.
And when you got to Maine,who's there to greet you?
Family show up there afterdropping you off in Georgia.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I hiked with a guy that I met down in Tennessee.
I started hiking with himTennessee to Virginia, and I
hiked with him pretty much theentire way, except for about two
states in between pretty muchthe entire way except for about
two states in between.
And his parents came all theway from Georgia to pick him up,
and so they picked up both ofus and then they drove me to a
town and a friend picked me upthat lives up there.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Oh nice.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And I took some buses and some trains home.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, have you stayed in contact with people that you
hiked with?
I have, so it's like a littlefamily thing now, right yeah, so
you finished up.
What was the recuperation like?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Uh, I wasn't able to walk properly.
I looked like an old person forprobably about six months, and
my feet were swollen for aboutthat time as well.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Okay, how many pair of shoes Did you go through?
More than one pair of shoes?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I went through three pairs.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Three pair of shoes.
What brand?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
So I started off with boots.
I don't remember the brand ofthem, because I had them for
years before.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, they're already broken in, so I'll start with
those.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Probably a smart move , right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Then I switched to ultra trail runners.
Okay, they were more of thetennis shoe kind of style, and
my feet did not like those.
So when I got to, New York, Iswitched to the ultra lone peaks
and I absolutely love those.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh nice, another trail runners.
Yeah, you did a YouTube.
I watched some, I didn't watchthem all.
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It was a lot of learning curves.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I had a lot of issues trying to upload them and
everything from the trail.
Yeah, Now did you cover theentire trip I?
Did yeah and a lot of issuestrying to upload them and
everything from the trail.
Yeah, now did you cover theentire trip?
I did, yeah, so we'll talkabout that at the end if people
want to go watch those.
You mentioned that there wassome life changing and just some
growth out of that.
What's one thing you took awayfrom that?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's not that serious Everyday life.
Don't be so stressed out.
Be more flexible.
Flexibility was the biggestthing, because I was like a
super planner, like everythinghad to go exactly how.
You know this, this, this.
But yeah, just to be moreflexible.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I guess you learn pretty quick that that
schedule's kind of out.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.
I'm just going to go with theflow and take the take the hard
times with a smile.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, reminds me of when we used to go to Haiti and
I'd show up with this list, thisto-do list, and my daughter who
lived there she'd look at itand she'd go Dad, we're going to
get about two of those thingsdone.
Okay, stop doing these lists.
And yeah, I'm sure it was kindof the same.
Sounds like that was a big,what I would consider bucket
list item.
Mm-hmm, it was what's on yourbucket list?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
After that I completed another bucket list
item to go to India, so I gotthat marked off.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I think the last thing that I really wanted to do
was hike the Camino in Spain.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm not sure if that's going to happen, but it
is on that list.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm sure it will happen.
We're going to keep it on Fun.
Yeah, would that be the right?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
word yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, lots of nice places to stay along the way.
It looks like to me.
Yeah, I don't know if I'd wantto do either the Pacific Coast
or the AT, so I'm not sure.
Here's a question for you Ifyou could take a road trip with
anyone, living or deceased, whowould it be?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think it would just be my sister.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Wow, that's cool.
So you're pretty close to yoursister, yeah, and obviously
you've talked about a lot ofstuff.
What are you going to driveSomething?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
that's not going to break down, right?
Yeah, something, probably withfour wheel drive.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, you're going to go rent a car.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Maybe, like, maybe one of those new Broncos.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, oh, there you go, there we go.
And uh, where do you think youwould go if you could just go
anywhere in the us?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
we'll say the us I think it would just be cool to
do a full road trip around theus, like a big circle wow a lap.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I like that I can share one with you, your
sister older or younger?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
she's younger, yeah and uh.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So you guys are obviously close.
And is there anything you thinkthere's anything you'd want to
do on that road trip?
Is there, you know, one ofthose things?
You know people, biggest ballof twine or anything along the
way?
Is there something out thereyou would like to see?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I would really like to see Zion National Park.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay.
Well, I think you all should dothat and I'll encourage you to
do that.
You gave us a little advice,some things you learned.
Is there any other advice youwould give, maybe particularly
to young people?
You're a young person.
What would you tell youngpeople about life?
I mean, you gave us a littlebit there earlier.
Is there anything else?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I would say there's an AT AT motto that says never
quit on a bad day and that kindof got me through the trail.
It kind of gets me through lifeyou know, just wait until
you're having a good day so youcan think clearly like do I
really want to quit?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Well, it's kind of like uh, you know sports stars
when they're at the height oftheir pinnacle.
Most of them know I should getout on a good day.
Now I'm going to have a badyear, not the time to go out,
right?
So that's great advice.
So tell my listeners how tofind your YouTube.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
All right.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Because, you know, I think people would find it very
interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I am on YouTube and Instagram.
I need to change the namebecause it's very hard to find,
so it's here's to the journeybut it's spelled weird, so it's
spell it for us.
It's H E R E S underscore, thenumber two, underscore T, h E
underscore journey spelled outand then underscore.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, okay, we'll get that in the notes and we'll try
and make sure people can findit somehow and, if they want, to
find you on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Same.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, same thing.
Okay, well, sarah, it's been apleasure to take this little
road trip with you.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
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Back in November, november 28th, episode 65, I interviewed a
young lady who walked thePacific Crest Trail, commonly
referred to as the PST.
So you can look back and listento that episode.
But today my guest is SarahShires, and Sarah and I worked
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together at the same company andshe took off a time a few years
ago.
We'll get to that.
I don't remember exactly whenit was and she chose to walk on
the East Coast and walk theAppalachian Trail, and we'll
refer to that as the AT duringour conversation.
I'm excited to.
I've been wanting to getSarah's story for quite a while
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and we finally connected on itback in December, and now we're
going to do it.
So welcome to the show, sarah.
Thank you Pleasure to have youhere.
Tell my listeners just a littlebit about who is Sarah Shires.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
All right, there's not much to me, but I am, as you
know, a thru-hiker.
I am going back to school rightnow for a dietetics degree,
which I took quite a long breakin between my schooling and I
decided well, I want a collegedegree, so I went back.
I grew up in the greaterCincinnati area in a little town
called Middletown.
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I don't live there anymore butit's hometown to me.
But if you're familiar withthat, that's where JD Vance is
from.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, our vice president's from there.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I have connections to there because I grew up in
south-central Kentucky and a lotof people moved there and went
to work back when the steelmills were there.
Yeah, it's not that boomingtown anymore, but they are
revitalizing it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, I see they're trying to bring it back.
Well, it's a pleasure to haveyou here and we'll jump straight
to it, but I always like to askpeople what was your first car?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
My first car that I actually bought was a 2000 Chevy
Impala.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, wow, Now was that used or new?
It was used it was used andwhat color was it?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's like a goldish tannish color yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, okay, that's cool.
Now you were telling me earlier.
I asked you if you got, becausein Ohio you can get your permit
at 15 and a half.
You told me that was not thecase for you.
You got it later.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I did.
I got it at 18.
I got my license at 19.
It was more of if I wanted todrive, I had to get a job, pay
for everything myself, pay myway through driving school.
So I decided, well, if I'm 18,I don't have to go to driving
school and I'll just wait.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, there you go.
So now Growing up, did yourfamily, were they hikers, Before
we jump into the story here?
But did you grow up being ahiker?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I grew up being sort of a hiker, it was more.
We did a lot of car camping,with short little hiking trips
while we were camping.
Nothing major.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, so is there any ?
That took me to when youmentioned car camping.
Is there any epic road trips inyour past?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
there we did have quite a few road trips tell me
about one oh, let's see.
I don't remember specifics ofcertain ones, but there is one
thing that always stuck with meevery time we went on a road
trip, we always had car trouble,broke down somewhere on the
road, um.
So I learned a lot of how to beflexible with that.
I know I did go to New York inthat Chevy Impala some while
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back my car was fine.
We get up there and the enginestarts redlining and it breaks
down.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Oh great.
So breakdowns kind of go withSarah, right?
Yeah, yeah, maybe you juststick to hiking and forget the
driving.
Yeah, it's probably better forme.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you just stick to hiking and forget
the driving.
Yeah, it's probably better forme, that's good.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You chose to take on the Appalachian Trail.
For my listeners who don't knowabout that trail, tell us a
little bit about it.
How long is it?
Where does it start?
Stop?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, the Appalachian Trail is an East Coast trail.
It starts in Georgia, ends inMaine.
If you are a southbounder, youwant to say it starts in Maine,
ends in Georgia.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's about 14 states long.
When I hiked it in 2022, it was2,194 miles.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
The mileage changes every year due to rerouting, so
sometimes it grows, sometimes itshrinks.
Okay, I think it's at likethree miles longer this year.
Okay, Even when I was on thetrail it expanded by like 0.3.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh, wow, okay.
So you're thinking, oh, I'malmost finished, and then they
go.
No, it's a little bit longer.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I didn't know if I wanted to go back and hike
that little section or not.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Who maintains the trail?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So it is mainly volunteers.
So there's clubs along theAppalachian trail that it's
usually older retired folks thatgo out every day or weekend and
they each have a section andthey maintain it throughout the
year.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's cool.
And then any idea why the trailcame to be.
We might have to, we might haveto google search that, but do
you have?
Any idea?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I don't.
I remember that there is atrail called the long trail in
vermont.
It was the original white blazeum trail.
So if you're not familiar withwhat a white blaze is, it's a
little blaze, little marking ona tree or a rock that shows
where the trail is.
And the appalachian trail is awhite blaze trail um.
Other offshoots are differentcolors, but the long trail is
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the white trail, the originalwhite trail, and it just kind of
connected all the way down.
So it rerouted.
So the long trail is stillthere but now it's part of the
Appalachian Trail as well?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And had you done long hikes before this?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, what was the longest hike you'd ever done?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So before I decided to actually go on the
Appalachian trail, it was alwaysback in like I had that plan
but it wasn't like, oh, I'mgoing to do it this year.
I think the longest I ever didwas like five miles.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And then I was like, oh, I'm going to go hike, so I
should probably prepare.
So I did like a day hike thatwas nine miles, okay.
And then the year before I didmy hike I did two overnight.
It wasn't overnight backpacking, it was like two or three days
backpacking through Ohio.
That was the only preparation Ihad.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
When you were doing those other hikes, were you
typically a solo hiker.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, I usually hiked with my sister.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So you decided to take on the AT.
We'll call it that because Ilooked it up, I Googled it
because I've never hiked it.
I did see a sign once down inthe Smokies that this was the
Appalachian Trail.
I do know where it's at, yeahit goes right through
Cleveland's Dome.
But what made you want to takeit on?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's been a dream of mine since I was a little girl.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
My mom went to college to be a park ranger or a
park naturalist.
She never did go into that, butshe had this little map of the
Appalachian Trail and at thattime it was only like a thousand
miles and I would always pullit out and I'm like, oh, this is
so cool.
So I was like I'm going to hikethat when I get older.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So it's been in your mind for a long time.
So you said you hiked that in2022.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
So you decided to take a break from work, and had
you planned out how long itmight take.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I was planning on about six months.
It took me seven months.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Took you seven months .
Okay, and where did you start?
Did you go southbound ornorthbound?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So I started in Georgia.
Okay, amakula Falls, that'sreally hard to say.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's in the north east portion of the state.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, somebody drove you there, or yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So my parents took me and my sister down there to
start.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
All right.
And did you start by yourselfor did your sister?
Was she hiking with?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
you?
Yeah, she started with me.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, did she go the whole way?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, she lasted about two weeks.
I think it was about two weeksbefore she got an injury, got
off and then came back later.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So she did about a month's worth Wow okay, how many
miles a day was a typical?
What was a typical day?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So when they, when I started out, it was about seven
to eight miles.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Um.
The time I hit Maine it wasabout a 20 miles average.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Okay, you mentioned your sister got injury.
Did you have any injuries alongthe way?
Oh, yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I had a major foot injury which I don't think I let
heal properly, which flared outagain later up the trail.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Wow, okay, is there medical attention on the trail,
or you just got to try to findyour way to the nearest little
clinic?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, you got to find your way.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You go through towns, some areas, or you go across
roads and got to find your way.
Okay, Um, you go through towns,um some areas, or you go across
roads and you can hitch away,hitch your way in to town.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
My last guest that hiked the Pacific crest trail.
She talked about all the peopleshe would meet up with, so I'm
assuming during this time periodyou met up with a lot of other
hikers.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I did.
The Appalachian trail is knownfor how many people are on there
, and usually thousands ofpeople start in the beginning.
By the time you reach the endit's dwindled down to about a
fourth.
So I met a lot of interestingpeople along the way.
I hiked with a few of them andI made some really good friends.
So you hiked to distances withsome of these people?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, I assume you had to carry your own food, or
are there places along the waywhere you can stop?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Because the Appalachian Trail is up the East
Coast, there's a lot ofpopulation up the East Coast and
so you go through a lot ofareas that you can have access
to towns.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So you just plan for like three to five days' worth
of food then go into town againand resupply.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay, that injury.
Did you take days off then totry to let it heal a little bit?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I took two days off two days.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay, you just pushed on, yeah.
And where did that injuryhappen?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
was that like months into the hike or the time I hit
virginia, so it was about amonth or two in.
I went home for about a weekfor my uncle's funeral.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And I came back and I pushed it too hard after taking
a week off, and that's where Igot the injury Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
So it was like, hey, you had this momentum going and
you're like I can continue on.
Do you ever get scared outthere?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, people, animals .
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I would say, mostly people.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
A few times animals.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I did have like a bear following me or I always
stepped on a rattlesnake.
You know stuff like that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Okay, yeah, that wouldn't be.
Yeah, I've always wonderedabout bears because we hike my
wife and I hike but I'm alwayslike you know they tell you to
make noises and stuff You'llscare them off, and I'm always
kind of like I don't know if Ibuy into that it's only the
little ones that scare away thebig ones yeah they don't nothing
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.
They realize they're bigger thanyou yeah, you carry your food
or you find food.
I assume you carried some food,yeah, and then uh, what about
overnight?
Are you camping on the groundor are there places to stay?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So along the trail there are 250 shelters.
They're like three-sided sortof.
You can call them like lean-tos.
You just kind of go in, make aspot and you lay down next to a
bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, awkward.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, it was awkward the first time.
The more you get to know people, it's just you know scoot over,
I went in.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Wow Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Because it was nice when it was like a thunderstorm
or something, you didn't have toset up a wet tent, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So you did carry a tent.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I did carry a tent.
So I did tent about half thetime.
I stayed in shelters.
About the other half.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Okay, and I assume that these shelters they have
bathhouses.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
They do have Most of them have privies.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There's some of them that don't, so you just got to
go.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Take a cat hole somewhere and do your business.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, what about showers?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, that was a luxury .
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Luxury.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Wow, that was something you have to plan when
you go into town.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, so you would if you went into town?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, so about once a week I'd go into town, do my
resupplies, take a shower, do mylaundry, wash my dishes that I
was carrying.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Oh, wow, okay, interesting.
So, along the way, any bigchallenges that you face and you
thought oh, this I'm done, yes,I'm going home.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yes, there were a few of those.
One of the main challenges Ifaced was when I got my trail
name.
So a trail name is somethingthat either you give yourself or
someone gives to you, so nobodyknows your real name.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's just like a nickname, so mine was Pathfinder
.
Okay, did you pick that?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I did not.
It was given to me Okay.
So there's an older lady aboutin her 70s.
I went through the Smokiesright after a major snowstorm.
Okay, it was very, very cold.
It's like low, maybe like sevendegrees.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
That's pretty cold for Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And she was hiking extremely slow, she was
dehydrated but she would not getoff the trail and so I hiked
with her and it took about twodays to go six miles and it was
really trying for me because itwas really cold and you know I
was just like why do I have todo this?
And you know it was a lot ofmental growth for me, character
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growth.
Well, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, and you know, just helping somebody else.
That seems to me what thesetrail hikes are about.
You know I haven't talked toMiranda earlier about hers and,
listening to you, Everybody'sout there to try to pull this
off On the Appalachian Trail.
Is that a lot of elevationchange?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yes, the three trails the Pacific Crest Trail, the
Continental Bight Trail and theAppalachian Trail.
The Appalachian Trail is thehardest by elevation-wise even
though it's shorter.
Wow.
So the equivalent elevationchange over the entire trail is
equivalent to hiking MountEverest 16 times up and down.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wow, who would have even thought that?
Right, you would think you knowout in the Rockies or someplace
would be much more difficultWeather.
You mentioned the snow.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
How was the weather during your I hit everything
from extreme cold and snow andice to extremely wet weather and
really hot dry temperaturesthrough Virginia, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Did you have enough gear?
Or is this a point where you gooh my gosh, I didn't bring that
.
I got to go into town and getanother jacket.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
No, I brought enough gear.
I think I probably brought alittle too much gear.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, kind of weight where you carry it.
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Uh, I think with food and water I probably reached
about 30, 35 pounds, Cause themore gear you shed, the more you
eat as well.
Um, and so your food getsreally heavy.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Um sure, yeah, you started in Georgia, you ended up
in Maine, and how long did ittake?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Uh, it took me seven months, seven months.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
So that was what I didn't ask you when you started.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I started February 18th.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay, so February?
So yeah, still a little bitcooler in the south.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
But at least you could get through those more
northeastern states when it'snot cold, yes.
And when you got to Maine,who's there to greet you?
Family show up there afterdropping you off in Georgia.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I hiked with a guy that I met down in Tennessee.
I started hiking with himTennessee to Virginia, and I
hiked with him pretty much theentire way, except for about two
states in between pretty muchthe entire way except for about
two states in between.
And his parents came all theway from Georgia to pick him up,
and so they picked up both ofus and then they drove me to a
town and a friend picked me upthat lives up there.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Oh nice.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And I took some buses and some trains home.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, have you stayed in contact with people that you
hiked with?
I have, so it's like a littlefamily thing now, right yeah, so
you finished up.
What was the recuperation like?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Uh, I wasn't able to walk properly.
I looked like an old person forprobably about six months, and
my feet were swollen for aboutthat time as well.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Okay, how many pair of shoes Did you go through?
More than one pair of shoes?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I went through three pairs.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Three pair of shoes.
What brand?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
So I started off with boots.
I don't remember the brand ofthem, because I had them for
years before.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well, they're already broken in, so I'll start with
those.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Probably a smart move , right.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Then I switched to ultra trail runners.
Okay, they were more of thetennis shoe kind of style, and
my feet did not like those.
So when I got to, New York, Iswitched to the ultra lone peaks
and I absolutely love those.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh nice, another trail runners.
Yeah, you did a YouTube.
I watched some, I didn't watchthem all.
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It was a lot of learning curves.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I had a lot of issues trying to upload them and
everything from the trail.
Yeah, Now did you cover theentire trip I?
Did yeah and a lot of issuestrying to upload them and
everything from the trail.
Yeah, now did you cover theentire trip?
I did, yeah, so we'll talkabout that at the end if people
want to go watch those.
You mentioned that there wassome life changing and just some
growth out of that.
What's one thing you took awayfrom that?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It's not that serious Everyday life.
Don't be so stressed out.
Be more flexible.
Flexibility was the biggestthing, because I was like a
super planner, like everythinghad to go exactly how.
You know this, this, this.
But yeah, just to be moreflexible.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, I guess you learn pretty quick that that
schedule's kind of out.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.
I'm just going to go with theflow and take the take the hard
times with a smile.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, reminds me of when we used to go to Haiti and
I'd show up with this list, thisto-do list, and my daughter who
lived there she'd look at itand she'd go Dad, we're going to
get about two of those thingsdone.
Okay, stop doing these lists.
And yeah, I'm sure it was kindof the same.
Sounds like that was a big,what I would consider bucket
list item.
Mm-hmm, it was what's on yourbucket list?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
After that I completed another bucket list
item to go to India, so I gotthat marked off.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I think the last thing that I really wanted to do
was hike the Camino in Spain.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I'm not sure if that's going to happen, but it
is on that list.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm sure it will happen.
We're going to keep it on Fun.
Yeah, would that be the right?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
word yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, lots of nice places to stay along the way.
It looks like to me.
Yeah, I don't know if I'd wantto do either the Pacific Coast
or the AT, so I'm not sure.
Here's a question for you Ifyou could take a road trip with
anyone, living or deceased, whowould it be?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think it would just be my sister.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Wow, that's cool.
So you're pretty close to yoursister, yeah, and obviously
you've talked about a lot ofstuff.
What are you going to driveSomething?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
that's not going to break down, right?
Yeah, something, probably withfour wheel drive.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, yeah, you're going to go rent a car.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Maybe, like, maybe one of those new Broncos.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, oh, there you go, there we go.
And uh, where do you think youwould go if you could just go
anywhere in the us?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
we'll say the us I think it would just be cool to
do a full road trip around theus, like a big circle wow a lap.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I like that I can share one with you, your
sister older or younger?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
she's younger, yeah and uh.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
So you guys are obviously close.
And is there anything you thinkthere's anything you'd want to
do on that road trip?
Is there, you know, one ofthose things?
You know people, biggest ballof twine or anything along the
way?
Is there something out thereyou would like to see?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I would really like to see Zion National Park.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay.
Well, I think you all should dothat and I'll encourage you to
do that.
You gave us a little advice,some things you learned.
Is there any other advice youwould give, maybe particularly
to young people?
You're a young person.
What would you tell youngpeople about life?
I mean, you gave us a littlebit there earlier.
Is there anything else?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I would say there's an AT AT motto that says never
quit on a bad day and that kindof got me through the trail.
It kind of gets me through lifeyou know, just wait until
you're having a good day so youcan think clearly like do I
really want to quit?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Well, it's kind of like uh, you know sports stars
when they're at the height oftheir pinnacle.
Most of them know I should getout on a good day.
Now I'm going to have a badyear, not the time to go out,
right?
So that's great advice.
So tell my listeners how tofind your YouTube.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
All right.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Because, you know, I think people would find it very
interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I am on YouTube and Instagram.
I need to change the namebecause it's very hard to find,
so it's here's to the journeybut it's spelled weird, so it's
spell it for us.
It's H E R E S underscore, thenumber two, underscore T, h E
underscore journey spelled outand then underscore.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, okay, we'll get that in the notes and we'll try
and make sure people can findit somehow and, if they want, to
find you on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Same.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, same thing.
Okay, well, sarah, it's been apleasure to take this little
road trip with you.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Thank you for tuning in to Dan the road trip guy.
I hope you enjoyed our journeytoday and the stories that were
shared.
If you have any thoughts orquestions or stories of your own
, I'd love to hear from you.
Feel free to reach out to meanytime.
Don't forget to share thispodcast with your friends and
family and help us to spread thejoy of road trips and great
conversations.
Until next time, keep driving,keep exploring and keep having
(22:11):
those amazing conversations.
Until next time, keep driving,keep exploring and keep having
those amazing conversations.
Safe travels and remember youcan find me on the internet at
dantheroadtripguycom.
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