September 16, 2025 • 33 mins
Dancing with Dragons returns with a news episode covering all the latest developments for House of the Dragon season 3, and the newest GOT prequel show A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. We also catch up with the alumni cast of GOT and see what they're up to.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello, hello and welcome to Dancing with Dragons,
your go-to podcast foreverything related to George R R
Martin's world of A Song of Iceand Fire.
I'm one of your hosts, minua.
I'm joined here, as always, bymy co-host, tony, and tonight
we're continuing to dive deepinto Westeros and beyond, after
re-watching and recapping Gameof Thrones Season 3 episode by
episode.
Check that out, if you haven't.
We're here to update you onWesterosi news and keep you up
(00:30):
to date with the current stateof George's world on screen.
We've got the latest on Houseof the Dragon, season 3, we'll
venture into the world of thenew upcoming show A Night of the
Seven Kingdoms, aka Dunk andEgg, aka Duncan Egg, and we'll
be seeing what the Game ofThrones alumni cast are up to
and what they have to say sincethe show ended.
It's such a chill episode today, so sit back and relax while we
update you on what's happeningin Westeros.
(00:50):
Before we get started, though,how are you, tony?
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, there, I'm doing well.
It feels odd and kind of nicethat I didn't have to watch an
episode Actually.
No, I'll take that back.
I'm relieved I don't have towatch an episode actually.
No, I'll take that back.
I'm relieved I don't have towrite and all this uh, research,
but then again I'm gonna missit, because I love re-watching
season three.
But no, it's nice to talk aboutother things other than, um,
(01:16):
game of thrones.
Uh, we did every single episode,like you said, but for this
episode, I thought we would juststart talking about what we
missed in the last few months ofus just, you know, focusing on
season three of Game of Thrones.
You know, it's nice because itfeels like there's so much news
that's popping out and we try toinstill it in our episodes, but
(01:36):
then our episodes are going tobe too long, or like we don't
want our episodes to be too long.
People will not listen.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of a catch-22.
We don't want our episodes tobe too long.
People will not listen.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of a catch-22.
So we decided to.
You know what, let's do oneepisode that we can just catch
up with.
What do you want to start with?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Actually, tony, it's funny that you say that because
I was planning on starting withanother point or another topic,
but I think that right before werecorded, or not long before we
started, george just postedsomething on his blog.
So about a month ago, seattleWorldcon was taking place and
George RR Martin was there on apanel with other fancy writers,
(02:12):
among them Brandon Sanderson.
If you've been keeping up withall the like fancy George Winter
Winter drama, you probably knowwhere this is going if you
haven't heard this piece of newsbefore.
So, as expected, a fan kind ofrudely came up during their Q&A
segment and asked George to hisface since you're not going to
be around for much longer, isthere any possibility of Brandon
(02:34):
Sanderson finishing Wounds ofWinter for you?
And it's kind of unbelievablethat he said that to George's
face.
It's so disrespectful becausethis is just something people
talk about online.
You know someone saying, oh,what if this happened because of
george?
That I know george possibly notbeing around and but to bring
it up to his face, it'sincredibly disrespectful because
you know he's a writer.
He he just not too long agoposted a blog post about how
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much he loves and care for thesecharacters and I think he said
something like don't ask meabout it yeah uh, any longer.
Like in this way I don't saydon't, nag, but he was saying
like don't think that I don'thave love for these characters
because Winds of Winter isn'tout yet.
Like I love them and I care forthem.
And he mentioned Danny as well,which is why I remember it so
clearly.
He's like I love Daenerys andDanny.
(03:18):
It's just it's heartbreakingthat that's happened and it's
really disrespectful.
I happened and it's reallydisrespectful.
I'm sorry that george had to gothrough that.
The crowd immediately booed theperson as they should.
Uh, the panelists defend georger martin, and then they just
ended the session very quickly.
Um, and you know, this isn'tthe first time that someone
disrespects george he's he justgets these comments all the time
.
It's a reoccurring issue withinthe fandom and there are so many
(03:39):
reoccurring issues in the gameof thrones fandom something
we'll talk about again in thisepisode with another person in
george's world or in the game ofthrones universe.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's sad and it's entitlement yeah people are just
so entitled that they thinkthey could just spew and say
anything they want without anykind of repercussions.
And this man has devoted 30yeah, it's going to be 30 plus
years since, uh, the first bookcame out.
I, I think the first novel was96.
So next year will be the 30thanniversary.
(04:08):
He's trying to build his legacyby doing other projects and is
he supposed to just drop it?
You know we always kid abouthim and you know, hurry up.
It's been 12 or 13, 14 years.
Force him to do something hedoesn't want.
I mean, it's probably becausewe've said it here many times he
probably has writer's block.
There's a few storylines thathe created.
(04:32):
That is probably hard now.
And now, with the show ending,he probably feels more pressure.
I think if there was no show,obviously he would have just
finished the books, but with theshow ending maybe he's like
well, maybe people don't wantBran as king.
I'll have to figure somethingout.
What do I need to do?
(04:53):
There's other deaths in thenovels that he said that he's
regretted.
I think I forgot who it was.
Was it Aemon, mr Aemon?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Let me look that up real quick.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Okay, he looked that up.
I want to see Winds of winter,but then again I'm like you know
what f these people and this is.
And then, of course, this isthe minuscule percentage of
people who think that way whowould have the gall to say, well
, you're gonna die, so hurry up.
And I, it's getting me upset,let's go to the next, next thing
yeah, it's so insensitive and Ithink that's actually.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
it wasn't confirmed who George regrets killing.
People were speculating aboutit online.
It's widely believed to be MrEamon.
It's believed that Georgeregrets killing this person
because he realized that heneeds them in order to progress
the story.
But, yeah, everybody thinksthat it's Eamon.
Someone says says I think it'sEamon as he's an exposition gold
(05:47):
mine, but others theorize thatit could also be Kevin Lannister
or Pycelle spoiler alert foryou.
He dies in the show but yeah, sothat's just like a sad update,
kind of related to George.
We will talk about him again inthis episode because I just
wanted to bring that up rightnow as the host of this podcast
that revolves around George andhis work.
(06:07):
Obviously this is a messagefrom me and Tony that we would
love if our we know that ourlisteners are cool and would
never do something like that.
But I just wanted to say youknow, like, don't forget to
treat George with respect, thepoor guy.
So let's move on to what you'reprobably waiting for and I
guess a happier maybe happierupdate, maybe not and that's
updates on house of the dragonseason three.
(06:27):
So filming is about to wrap up.
If you're listening to thispodcast at the time of its
release, they've actuallystarted in april, so it's kind
of a long filming process.
I think it's took up most ofthe year and livia cook has said
that it's actually ridiculousand has a lot of practical, huge
stunt work I'm sorry, I don'twant to say that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
She's like a media blitz.
Now she has that new show onAmazon Prime.
So obviously when she does allthese junkets press junkets all
they're going to ask her is likehow's?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
the dragon.
How's the dragon?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The one thing I'm most excited about.
This came out a few weeks agoand it was confirmed by Ryan
Condos that we're going to openseason three with the Battle of
the Gullet, which I speculatedand we've talked about.
You know they shortened seasontwo by two episodes and we knew,
okay, the finale of season twodidn't feel like a finale, it
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felt like a lead up.
We could feel the preparationof warrants in the finale
because the Battle of the Gulletwas supposed to be the
penultimate episode of of seasontwo which would have been oh,
all is forgiven.
This is an incredible episode.
You know, season two is great,uh, and then season season 10,
season two, finale episode 10.
(07:36):
We had that.
It would have been kind of likea build up to the next one.
So, to have this straight up,I'm assuming this, this one,
this episode, was going to haveto be more than an hour.
Um, should be.
It's gonna rock people's world,so that's all I'll say.
I'm not gonna speculate and say, oh, it's remember, we kept
(07:56):
talking about sun for a sun andwe'll see what they do with it,
because, yeah, we've read thebook, but they can change
whatever they want.
So we're going to go into it asnew viewers as well, because we
might see something that we'renot expecting, like, uh, renera
and allison hooking up uh, nothooking up, but like talking at
(08:17):
the end because they never talkagain in the in the book.
So but anyway, that that's theone thing I'm most excited about
when it comes to the House ofthe Dragons.
Season three news.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know if this is what you were getting at, but
Olivia Cooke did confirm thatseason two was literally
supposed to have episodes oneand two of episodes one and two
of season two were supposed tobe the last two episodes of
season two, so I wish theyshould have.
I wish they were, it would haveworked really well.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And speaking of that, I will actually, actually, yeah
, I will say that.
I said that when we were onfellowship with the Mike podcast
, I said I think the girl thatwas was supposed to be.
Yeah, I said it first.
So, Olivia, you did.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I'll give you credits .
I remember you saying that, Iremember.
But speaking of the Alison'sRhaenyra agreement, Olivia Cook
did talk about that as well.
She said Alison has made abargain at the end of season two
so she's desperately trying toenact that.
I mean it's huge.
The season is huge.
Every single penny has gone onthe screen.
So I know it leaves us a bitworried, right?
(09:21):
Because, as you said, this isso far from what's happening in
the book.
So she's desperately trying toenact that.
I don't know what we're goingto see from Alison this season.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I don't think that much, because when you see the
we don't really hear aboutAlison.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
until you know future events, I'll say but then again
there's also like a leakedphoto from the set.
I don't know if you've heardabout that from the
post-production work and I don'tknow if I should be talking
about that, but they said thatsomeone on the team accidentally
posted something while theywere editing or filming.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Did you see it?
It?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
was a monitor.
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh, here you go.
We're going to say spoileralert.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Should I, or should I just?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
no, no, no.
Well, okay, so I'll say spoilerand I'll count to three and
then I'll put the time stamps onthe episodes and you can go
back and forward all right, orjust click the, click the
forward 30 seconds or 10 secondsyeah yeah, on your, on your
podcast app okay, so I'll sayspoiler one, one, two, three and
(10:24):
then go.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, so the shot looked to be Runear and Alicent
in the keep In like the queenslash king's quarters, like in
the ruler's quarters.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, so why the?
Heck would Rhaenyra be there?
That's my okay why, is shethere?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, oh, my God, or why is Alicent there?
I don't know Like it's.
You know what I mean, because Idon't know, okay so spoiler
alert this is a spoiler section.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Is this when Rhaenyra and everybody take over King's
Landing?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Supposedly.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Alicent was with her in her room.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay.
So is she going to be like okay, go away, you know, go to Essos
and pick oranges?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't know the person deleted the photo shortly
after, so it's floating aroundnow if you want to go and see.
It's just a quick photo, butyeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I don't remember when reading the, the
book of, they have anyinteractions.
Okay, this is still spoiler.
No, I don't think so of umrenera and allison.
Once you know renera is umcrown queen in king's landing um
.
So yeah, I anyway, yeah, I'mpretty sure they're going to
(11:36):
figure a way out to keep thesetwo together in the storyline,
because we love these two yeahyeah, yeah.
They're going to figure out away to like tweak the story.
That way they're always onscreen together.
The ultimate thing was tochange the thing entirely and be
(11:58):
like oh she, now she's onreneur's side, which, no, you
can't do that, because again, wecomplain about the book and the
show, but remember that allisonis like 10 years older than her
.
They never really had arelationship, they were never
best friends, uh, so they didn'treally have that connection.
But in the, in the show, theyhave great chemistry, these
actors.
So anyway, yeah, that's the onething I'm going to be afraid of
(12:21):
.
They're going to tweak it.
So they're either collaboratingtogether or they're Rhaenyra.
Now, every episode, rhaenyra'sgoing to be constantly.
Oh, what should?
I do Not have the killerinstinct, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
She's going to be thinking about house and all the
time.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Anyway, all right, sorry I come in the same boat.
Come on like I agree with you.
But there's also something elsethat makes me like a bit
confused or weary and I don'tknow, I guess, worried about
season three.
There's another report aboutseason three that says that
there's going to be acharacter-driven conceptual
episode outside of the structureof the show.
So I'm guessing you rememberhow we said that season two
(13:00):
should have had one episode juston Damon and Harrenhal.
It should have been Damon andHarrenhal, luigi's Mansion type
of stuff, all the nightmares inone episode, and then that's it.
I think that that's what theyare going to do for season three
.
But at the same time, do wehave time?
Who do we have time?
Who do we think it's going tobe?
Is this necessary?
I I don't think it's.
(13:20):
Considering what's going tohappen in season three, I don't
think that there's time for this.
Like, what are they going?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
to do?
If it doesn't, if it hasnothing to do with the story, if
it doesn't move the story along, then then it's going to be the
most hated episode.
Uh, if it was a 20 episodeseason, then people were like,
okay, that was kind of quirky,but I like it yeah, it's gonna
work.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You're like, if they had time, if they, even if it
was 10 episodes would have beenfine.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But but yeah, when you have eight and you have so
much to cover, because right nowthe other report says that, uh,
season three is gonna have fourmajor events from fire and
blood yeah so you have fourmajor events with eight episodes
.
That means it's going to bemoving quickly, and then you're
going to pause it to go on ascavenger hunt or something with
(14:04):
a character.
They didn't say the character,right?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
No, no, they didn't say.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Unless it's like the Starks or something.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I don't know, but it worries me.
We'll see if that report turnsout to be true, because
obviously it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's not, didn't come from hb themselves, so we have
to wait and see um the one thingI saw about olivia cook I was
sorry that I kind of found funny, but it's not funny is that she
said she slapped tom glenncarney so hard that it made him
cry.
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh, really, no, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
She said she was doing an interview and said I
walloped him.
I don't know my own strength.
It was a slap that resonatedacross the land.
It made him cry.
I mean that was the reactionthat he'd wanted for the camera,
but it felt awful.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
One thing she slapped him.
Well, beginning of season two.
I don't remember if we saw thaton camera.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Imagine he cried for nothing.
She actually slaps him.
I just looked that up quickly.
When he assaults the girl, hername's Diana.
We see that.
Oh yeah yeah, Season one'sDiana, we see that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh yeah, season one, you're right.
Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And speaking of Olivia Cooke, as you said, she's
going on a press tour now forher new series on Amazon Prime.
It's called the Girlfriend.
She's been talking about Houseof the Dragon a lot, and
something that she said aboutAlison was that she says that
she feels protective of her andshe has to be empathetic and she
feels sorry for her.
And she says, and I quote Ifeel she's grown up into this
patriarchal system and she'sbeen brainwashed by her father
to honour this lineage andobviously I think that's
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something that's always beenforgotten or like ignored or
dismissed about Alicent and herstoryline and her arc.
So I think it's just importantthat it's brought up.
Even though Alison isn'tnecessarily lovable, it's
important to be empathetic, Ithink, with her character and to
keep this in mind whenevertalking about her.
But speaking of the fans and howthey're talking about Alison,
she says something else aboutthe fans as well, and she says
(16:07):
some of the fans have beenhorrible to our cast.
It makes me really angry thatwe're then supposed to just bow
down and pay obeisance to thesepeople that only want to say the
most debased, hate-filledthings.
But thankfully, thankfully,we've all experienced it in our
own way and we've got each other, which doesn't make it right.
I think it's the huge emotions.
There's also been reallywonderful interactions and I'm
so glad that emma gets as muchlove as they do as well, because
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they're fantastic and such abeautiful, wonderful human as
well.
Matt's not a stranger to thefury of fandom, so he takes it
on the chin, he holds himself ina really lovely way where he
doesn't let it stick to him.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's hard to be somebody famous and doing,
involved in this kind of IP.
I guess because you know, wesaw, we saw with the new Star
Wars movies how many of themdeactivated their socials
because they couldn't theycouldn't even like, put a random
picture of saying, oh, I'mhaving a cup of tea, and then
(16:58):
the comments oh you suck, yousuck, you, blah, blah, blah.
Say it with Bella Ramsey, andit's just, which is so
frustrating, because we knowthat more people are not like
that, like the majority are notlike that, but the ones who are
are the loudest.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know us being like the real fans.
We know that they aren'ttalking about us as well.
You know, like it's kind ofunsaid understanding that they
are talking about those peoplethat are vile on the internet
and like hide behind anonymous.
You know masks and you're not areal fan.
Honestly, if you're the type ofperson that says those things,
you can be allowed to criticizewithout being hateful, loud and
vile on the internet.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
hateful, loud and vile on the internet.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You know what I mean.
That's not being an adult, letalone a fan.
So, yeah, I'm glad that shesaid something.
It's about time, honestly.
And that brings me to an updateor, I guess, a comment made by
one of our Game of Thronesactors on a similar topic.
Someone who I also gave aninterview recently is Nikolai
Kosterwalder, who plays JaimeLannister, and he was talking
about the backlash to Game ofThrones season 8.
He said it was expected.
(17:56):
How are you ever going to makean end that's going to satisfy
everyone?
That's a very difficult thing.
I absolutely think people areentitled to whatever opinion
they have, but it's a televisionshow.
Someone told you a story andyou didn't like the ending.
It's really annoying.
But and then he just shrugs.
Honestly, that's a very niceand concise way of saying it.
Yeah, you're going to beannoyed, but that's life.
You know, nothing is perfect.
(18:18):
You know no one is always goingto be happy.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
You can't satisfy everybody, even if something to
you is 10 out of 10 perfectmovie, series, book.
To another person it's notgoing to be the same way, and
he's probably not.
I mean, he probably said itnicely, but these actors are
probably annoyed and tired ofbeing asked about season eight.
(18:41):
The show was a phenomenon forseven seasons.
I mean, it was must-seetelevision.
Nobody waited till the next day.
You know how the shows nowstart.
Oh, I'll watch it.
No, everybody had to watch livebecause they didn't want to get
spoiled.
And then it comes to this.
It's kind of like the Sopranosactors your thoughts on the last
(19:01):
scene, on the last moment.
They've probably been hearingthat for 15 plus years yeah yeah
, yeah and I get it.
That's a good response.
Even if it was perfect, youstill would have had a little
faction of people saying thatsucked.
Nothing has 100% approvalNothing.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So I like that you just said it in that way because
it's very direct.
You know, there's thissomething that I remember
hearing when I was younger andit kind of never left me, which
is a stupid quote, but it makessense, you know.
It says something like lifeisn't Burger King, you can't
always have it your way.
It's so stupid, but I thinkabout it often whenever it's
like, yeah, I just have to giveup and be like yeah, true, it's
(19:42):
not my way, but maybe this thingis.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This is an actor who is responding to these questions
gracefully and he could havebeen the one to be like yeah,
man, that sucked.
My arc was so amazing and theyjust yeah him, you're right you
know he could have been likedisgruntled and be like oh these
people, I swear yeah, truewe've seen a lot of news
(20:06):
regarding the cast of game ofthrones and with nicolai, he's
doing a show called the king andthe conqueror, which he William
the Conqueror.
I haven't seen it yet andsomebody asked him a question
that said how does it feelyou're putting armor back on?
Does it remind you of Game ofThrones?
He goes well, not really.
(20:26):
It's a whole different show,different storylines, but I did
notice that my armor had somelions on it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah.
Oh, that's so cool some morenews with the cast we have,
which is kind of fun.
I saw a lot of people um doinglike voice acting for audiobooks
and then I saw this big thingon the westerosi page on
instagram that they put out umgame of thrones actors doing the
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har Potter audiobook series.
So Kit Carrington is going toplay Professor Lockhart, mark
Addy is going to be RubeusHaggard, gemma Whelan, who
played Yara on the show, yaraGreyjoy is going to be Professor
Sprout, ewan Rian is going toplay Professor Lupin.
So it's going to be kind ofnice to listen to the the book
(21:17):
with familiar voices from gameof thrones.
We're like john snow, what areyou doing?
You're teaching a class now.
Well, which is kind of weirdbecause professor lockhart is
kind of a doofus yeah, that'swhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Like george, george john has, john kit kit has a
very specific accent.
I immediately recognized hisvoice.
I don't know if I was watchingonce or I heard his voice
somewhere.
I was like I know that voice.
It turned out to be him.
I'm so curious.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, because Lockhart is annoyingly charming
in a weird way.
He's so full of himself.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And there's one more really cool thing that the
actors in both Game of Thronesand House of the Dragon have
done recently, which is thatthey joined the list of over
3,900 actors and filmmakers thathave signed a pledge stating
that they will refuse to workwith Israeli companies that are
implicit in the genocide andapartheid against Palestinian
people.
The list includes Emma Darcy,who plays Rhaenyra, olivia Cooke
(22:15):
, aka Alicent, lena Headey,cersei.
Liam Cunningham, who plays SerDavos he's on the boat, I think,
going over there.
He's a great activist for thiscause, which is amazing and
Clarice Van Houten playsMerisandra and Indira Varma
plays Ellaria, and TomGlyncarnie, who plays Aegon, and
I think that's really cool ofthem.
It's really cool of them to doso.
(22:37):
Glad to see that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, it's something that you don't see, a lot People
putting their careers on theline.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
No, no, and the fact that they're all working actors
is very important as well.
They can't do Game of Throneswithout, or House of the Dragons
sorry, without Emma or Olivia,so it's really cool that they
did that and used their voicesfor good, especially Alim
Cunningham and what he's doing.
It's amazing, yeah, so I'mreally glad that they did that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, let's move on to Sophie Turner, another Game
of Thrones alumni.
Big news for her she'sofficially cast to play Lara
Croft Is that a show or a movie?
Let me look it up, Okay look itup, we'll wait for her.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You see those podcasts that they have people
in the background looking upstuff.
That's me, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Or, like you know, in the movies, whenever there's
like someone's like I'm going topull it up and you know like
that, like the hackers and stuff, and movies and tv shows.
Yeah, um, it's a prime video tvseries.
Okay, it was funny.
I, I thought the girlfriendthing with olivia cook was a
show or was a movie and I go letme check it out and go wait a
minute.
This is season one or series.
Yeah, oh, okay, sophie turneris doing some media stuff as
well and she recently said in amagazine called Flaunt they
asked her about controversialscene in season five with Ramsey
(24:05):
wedding scene.
She said I did feel, and stilldo, that Game of Thrones shown a
light on things that manypeople were like oh God, you
can't show that kind of things,and I understand it can be
triggering.
I totally understand.
That's the point of view.
She told the publication, thisFlock magazine Um, should I keep
(24:31):
going or do you want to?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You can.
I wasn't going to interrupt thequotes.
I was going to let you say thewhole thing and then I can talk.
Or do you want me to saysomething on that first?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I just had a thing about.
I can say one more quote andthen you can just jump in and
this is like a few quotes.
She also then said but I dofeel we were actually doing a
lot of justice to women and thefight women have to fight for
hundreds and thousands of years.
She continued the patriarchy,being treated as objects and
(25:04):
being consistently sexuallyassaulted.
I don't think there's one womanI know who hasn't had a form of
that.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I actually found a longer version of the quote to
where she continues and says Ithink if Game of Thrones came
out today we'd definitely putsome trigger warnings on there.
But I'm really proud to havebeen a part of Game of Thrones,
where they didn't shy away fromshowing atrocities that happened
to women back then.
I feel proud to have been apart of the conversation.
So it's a bit of a repetitionof what you said, what was
earlier on in the quote, but Ithink it's interesting because
(25:32):
you know it's something that'salways been criticized and about
game of thrones, the scenethat's always been said that we
we wish what was erased from theshow right, we even said that
on the podcast.
Um, and honestly I have likekind of mixed feelings towards
it because whenever there's ascene showing something like
(25:52):
that on screen, some people aresaying you should show horrific
acts in order for that horror tosit with you.
You know what I mean, like askind of what Sophie's saying
here, for you to see kind of thepatriarchy or how women were
treated, and it kind of has a,it can leave an impact.
You know there's this argumentthat cinema and what's on screen
doesn't always have to bepleasant, you should watch these
(26:14):
very uncomfortable scenes.
There's this argument thatcinema and what's on screen
doesn't always have to bepleasant.
You should watch these veryuncomfortable scenes because
there's a different kind ofpower within them.
But then you also have anotherparty that says but you should
never see this because it's likeexploitation, and I don't
really know how I feel about it.
I still think that it's a reallyhard watch, but I respect what
Sophie's saying and I do thinkthat, like, like I see, I see it
.
You know, like I see botharguments, I'm not, I don't
(26:37):
really have a very strong.
I don't lean one way or theother when it comes to this.
So I think that was a very hardwatch for me personally when I
saw it.
Of course, I think that'sespecially since it's something
that's not in the books.
I would never wish that forSansa.
I wish it didn't happen,because we do see this in other
aspects of Game of Thrones.
You know, we see it with Dany,we see it in so many other
(26:58):
different ways.
We see it with Alicent thedragon too.
But I just, yeah, I understand.
I guess it's just that for meit was too hard of a watch.
I want to add that Ewan Rian,who plays ramsay he he described
filming that scene as the worstday of his career oh yeah, he
(27:23):
said, I never thought about himactually when it came to that
scene, like I was too busyfocusing on sophia, thinking
about her and sansa that I nevereven considered what he
wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah he said this five years ago in a
magazine called Metro.
He said that was horrible.
Talking about the scene Quotenobody wanted to be there,
nobody wanted to do that.
But if it's telling the storywhen you have to tell it
truthfully.
It was a horrible, horrible day.
This is something that weshouldn't even have to worry
(27:52):
about, because it's somethingthat shouldn't exist in the
world, but unfortunately it does.
I, I can't imagine being onthat show, especially with that
crew.
Who's growing up with sophieturner yeah, you know you know.
And then all of a sudden you seethat I'm sure it was pretty
triggering, one of those thingsthat in the novel she never goes
back to, when she's still inthe veil, I think, little finger
(28:15):
still wanting to do somethingwith her in the veil.
So, yeah, that's one of thosestory arcs that I really, really
hate that they changed from thebook because we didn't really
need to see that.
But then again, how, how do youhave the veil?
I don't know.
I'll keep my speculations andmy thoughts on that when we get
to it, because I have too muchto say and this will be a
(28:36):
two-hour podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, now that we've discussed both Game of Thrones
and House of the Dragon, it'stime to look to the future and
Annihilate the Seven Kingdoms.
Annihilate the Seven Kingdomsis the new upcoming spinoff show
from the world of Song of Iceand Fire and George's Universe
and, just as a refresher, incase you need the reminder, it's
based on a collection of shortstories, aka the Tales of Duncan
Egg, novellas written by GeorgeRR Martin, of course, and they
all follow a knight known as SirDuncan the Tall, aka Dunk and
(29:01):
his squire Egg, as they wanderand travel through Westeros
during the Targaryen dynasty.
That being said, the show willbe set between the events of
House of the Dragon and Game ofThrones, so after House of the
Dragon but, 100 years before theevents of Game of Thrones and
hearing that premise of the show, you can, or should, already
guess that this will bedifferent House of the Dragon
and Game of Thrones.
It'll be more intimate, withoutheavy focus on the noble houses
(29:21):
.
There are no dragons.
It's almost like you just picktwo semi-background characters
in Westeros and are followingthem.
At least that's how it shouldfeel like, I think, for season
one, because obviously by seasontwo there'll be the main
characters and things will pickup.
Also, unlike the other shows,it's been reported that the
(29:43):
episodes will be less than 40minutes long, which is insane
because I wouldn't really expectthat kind of Game of Thrones
show.
But it'll be interesting to see.
There are three novellas intotal and there will be one
season per novella.
Seasons two and three, I believe, are already confirmed for the
show and will be filmed back toback, with production set to
begin in the spring of 2022.
We've gotten first looks at theshow, we've gotten a few photos
, but we've yet to receive aproper trailer.
We're expecting one soon.
There will be a panel on theshow at New York Comic Con on
October 9th, with George RRMartin scheduled to be in
(30:05):
attendance as well as the show'sstars Peter Claffey, who plays
plays Dunk Dexter, saul Ansellplays Ek, and showrunner Ira
Parker.
If a trailer is released, thenexpect an episode on us from
that.
We would love to dissect it andtalk about it.
The show is actually originallyscheduled to be released now.
Actually I believe it wassupposed to be airing right now.
We kind of planned our podcastwith that in mind, but
(30:26):
unfortunately it got delayed toearly winter 2026, so we're
expecting a january or februarypremiere date for the show.
We talked about this in thepast as well.
It was worrying to me and, Ithink, some other fans, that the
show was delayed until then,because sometimes not all the
time shows and movies that getreleased around that time are
projects that the studios don'treally have faith in.
They kind of just dump it injanuary and february.
You reminded me that that's nota guarantee, um, and it's
(30:49):
reassuring that seasons two andthree are at least already
confirmed and that George R RMartin is still on as an
executive producer and hedoesn't seem to have any
problems with the showrunners orhow they're adapting the story
just yet, like he has nothingbut good things to say about
them which is a good thing,because House of the Dragon, of
course, did eventually turn intoa bit of it.
There was some drama there.
We're going to have a night ofthe seven kingdoms beginning of
the year and then House of thedragon, likely after the summer.
(31:11):
So yeah, you mentionedsomething where it's like, um,
now that we covered season three, we finished it and we're kind
of just like, uh, taking it easy.
It's like this is the calmbefore the storm yeah, yeah,
yeah this is the calm before thestorm.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's 2026 when it comes to game of thrones and
george's world, so this would bea fun year, and we hope that
you're descending along yeah,the one thing the one uh little
pushback I saw was that peoplewere kind of scratching their
heads and and upset that theepisodes would be 30 to 35
minutes or 40 maybe, because youdon't really see that when you
(31:45):
were talking about the material.
It's only 100 pages of a book.
The 30 minutes is good because,like I said, we talk about the
hobbit.
The hobbit shouldn't have beenthree movies, it should have
been two at the max.
Uh, so the first few months ofthis this year people were
speculating and kind of likewhat's going on?
We're not seeing anything forthe 17th.
We're not seeing.
We saw a couple stills.
(32:06):
We don't have a trailer.
This is supposed to come out inmarch.
We kind of knew that that wasgoing to be the case, that it
was going to be delayed.
George is on board.
That's all I can ask for and Ithink and I just hope that
people enjoy this dragon-lessshow.
This is going to be morecharacter-driven stories,
mandalorian and Grogu kind ofthing.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And I think that's all the Westeros series we have
to share with you guys today.
If you've been following alongour Game of Thrones Season 3
rewatch, you'll remember we saidthat our episode after the
finale would be on Robb Stark.
It would have been like acharacter analysis on him and
focusing on his downfall.
But we had to share this quick,bite-sized episode with you
guys, since we've been coveringSeason 3 for months now and we
just needed like a little newsepisode to get us all up to
(32:49):
speed with what's to come in thefuture from world of song, of
ice and fire.
Our next episode willdefinitely be on rob stark, so
look forward to that, andhopefully we'll also have the
train analysis on a night of theseven kingdoms, if we get that
trailer at new york comic-conearly october.
Oh and tony, we also forgot tomention the house.
The dragon.
Season two won the emmy for thebest period.
Fancy sci-fi makeup,non-prosthetic yes, it's
(33:13):
actually this the show's secondemmy ever.
The other one, I think, wasbest drama, wasn't it?
So congrats to them.
Uh, and that's that.
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dragons.
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Thank you so much for listeningto this episode of Dancing with
Dragons.
Hello, hello and welcome to Dancing with Dragons,
your go-to podcast foreverything related to George R R
Martin's world of A Song of Iceand Fire.
I'm one of your hosts, minua.
I'm joined here, as always, bymy co-host, tony, and tonight
we're continuing to dive deepinto Westeros and beyond, after
re-watching and recapping Gameof Thrones Season 3 episode by
episode.
Check that out, if you haven't.
We're here to update you onWesterosi news and keep you up
(00:30):
to date with the current stateof George's world on screen.
We've got the latest on Houseof the Dragon, season 3, we'll
venture into the world of thenew upcoming show A Night of the
Seven Kingdoms, aka Dunk andEgg, aka Duncan Egg, and we'll
be seeing what the Game ofThrones alumni cast are up to
and what they have to say sincethe show ended.
It's such a chill episode today, so sit back and relax while we
update you on what's happeningin Westeros.
(00:50):
Before we get started, though,how are you, tony?
How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, there, I'm doing well.
It feels odd and kind of nicethat I didn't have to watch an
episode Actually.
No, I'll take that back.
I'm relieved I don't have towatch an episode actually.
No, I'll take that back.
I'm relieved I don't have towrite and all this uh, research,
but then again I'm gonna missit, because I love re-watching
season three.
But no, it's nice to talk aboutother things other than, um,
(01:16):
game of thrones.
Uh, we did every single episode,like you said, but for this
episode, I thought we would juststart talking about what we
missed in the last few months ofus just, you know, focusing on
season three of Game of Thrones.
You know, it's nice because itfeels like there's so much news
that's popping out and we try toinstill it in our episodes, but
(01:36):
then our episodes are going tobe too long, or like we don't
want our episodes to be too long.
People will not listen.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of a catch-22.
We don't want our episodes tobe too long.
People will not listen.
You know what I mean.
So it's kind of a catch-22.
So we decided to.
You know what, let's do oneepisode that we can just catch
up with.
What do you want to start with?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Actually, tony, it's funny that you say that because
I was planning on starting withanother point or another topic,
but I think that right before werecorded, or not long before we
started, george just postedsomething on his blog.
So about a month ago, seattleWorldcon was taking place and
George RR Martin was there on apanel with other fancy writers,
(02:12):
among them Brandon Sanderson.
If you've been keeping up withall the like fancy George Winter
Winter drama, you probably knowwhere this is going if you
haven't heard this piece of newsbefore.
So, as expected, a fan kind ofrudely came up during their Q&A
segment and asked George to hisface since you're not going to
be around for much longer, isthere any possibility of Brandon
(02:34):
Sanderson finishing Wounds ofWinter for you?
And it's kind of unbelievablethat he said that to George's
face.
It's so disrespectful becausethis is just something people
talk about online.
You know someone saying, oh,what if this happened because of
george?
That I know george possibly notbeing around and but to bring
it up to his face, it'sincredibly disrespectful because
you know he's a writer.
He he just not too long agoposted a blog post about how
(02:58):
much he loves and care for thesecharacters and I think he said
something like don't ask meabout it yeah uh, any longer.
Like in this way I don't saydon't, nag, but he was saying
like don't think that I don'thave love for these characters
because Winds of Winter isn'tout yet.
Like I love them and I care forthem.
And he mentioned Danny as well,which is why I remember it so
clearly.
He's like I love Daenerys andDanny.
(03:18):
It's just it's heartbreakingthat that's happened and it's
really disrespectful.
I happened and it's reallydisrespectful.
I'm sorry that george had to gothrough that.
The crowd immediately booed theperson as they should.
Uh, the panelists defend georger martin, and then they just
ended the session very quickly.
Um, and you know, this isn'tthe first time that someone
disrespects george he's he justgets these comments all the time
.
It's a reoccurring issue withinthe fandom and there are so many
(03:39):
reoccurring issues in the gameof thrones fandom something
we'll talk about again in thisepisode with another person in
george's world or in the game ofthrones universe.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's sad and it's entitlement yeah people are just
so entitled that they thinkthey could just spew and say
anything they want without anykind of repercussions.
And this man has devoted 30yeah, it's going to be 30 plus
years since, uh, the first bookcame out.
I, I think the first novel was96.
So next year will be the 30thanniversary.
(04:08):
He's trying to build his legacyby doing other projects and is
he supposed to just drop it?
You know we always kid abouthim and you know, hurry up.
It's been 12 or 13, 14 years.
Force him to do something hedoesn't want.
I mean, it's probably becausewe've said it here many times he
probably has writer's block.
There's a few storylines thathe created.
(04:32):
That is probably hard now.
And now, with the show ending,he probably feels more pressure.
I think if there was no show,obviously he would have just
finished the books, but with theshow ending maybe he's like
well, maybe people don't wantBran as king.
I'll have to figure somethingout.
What do I need to do?
(04:53):
There's other deaths in thenovels that he said that he's
regretted.
I think I forgot who it was.
Was it Aemon, mr Aemon?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Let me look that up real quick.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Okay, he looked that up.
I want to see Winds of winter,but then again I'm like you know
what f these people and this is.
And then, of course, this isthe minuscule percentage of
people who think that way whowould have the gall to say, well
, you're gonna die, so hurry up.
And I, it's getting me upset,let's go to the next, next thing
yeah, it's so insensitive and Ithink that's actually.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
it wasn't confirmed who George regrets killing.
People were speculating aboutit online.
It's widely believed to be MrEamon.
It's believed that Georgeregrets killing this person
because he realized that heneeds them in order to progress
the story.
But, yeah, everybody thinksthat it's Eamon.
Someone says says I think it'sEamon as he's an exposition gold
(05:47):
mine, but others theorize thatit could also be Kevin Lannister
or Pycelle spoiler alert foryou.
He dies in the show but yeah, sothat's just like a sad update,
kind of related to George.
We will talk about him again inthis episode because I just
wanted to bring that up rightnow as the host of this podcast
that revolves around George andhis work.
(06:07):
Obviously this is a messagefrom me and Tony that we would
love if our we know that ourlisteners are cool and would
never do something like that.
But I just wanted to say youknow, like, don't forget to
treat George with respect, thepoor guy.
So let's move on to what you'reprobably waiting for and I
guess a happier maybe happierupdate, maybe not and that's
updates on house of the dragonseason three.
(06:27):
So filming is about to wrap up.
If you're listening to thispodcast at the time of its
release, they've actuallystarted in april, so it's kind
of a long filming process.
I think it's took up most ofthe year and livia cook has said
that it's actually ridiculousand has a lot of practical, huge
stunt work I'm sorry, I don'twant to say that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
She's like a media blitz.
Now she has that new show onAmazon Prime.
So obviously when she does allthese junkets press junkets all
they're going to ask her is likehow's?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
the dragon.
How's the dragon?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The one thing I'm most excited about.
This came out a few weeks agoand it was confirmed by Ryan
Condos that we're going to openseason three with the Battle of
the Gullet, which I speculatedand we've talked about.
You know they shortened seasontwo by two episodes and we knew,
okay, the finale of season twodidn't feel like a finale, it
(07:15):
felt like a lead up.
We could feel the preparationof warrants in the finale
because the Battle of the Gulletwas supposed to be the
penultimate episode of of seasontwo which would have been oh,
all is forgiven.
This is an incredible episode.
You know, season two is great,uh, and then season season 10,
season two, finale episode 10.
(07:36):
We had that.
It would have been kind of likea build up to the next one.
So, to have this straight up,I'm assuming this, this one,
this episode, was going to haveto be more than an hour.
Um, should be.
It's gonna rock people's world,so that's all I'll say.
I'm not gonna speculate and say, oh, it's remember, we kept
(07:56):
talking about sun for a sun andwe'll see what they do with it,
because, yeah, we've read thebook, but they can change
whatever they want.
So we're going to go into it asnew viewers as well, because we
might see something that we'renot expecting, like, uh, renera
and allison hooking up uh, nothooking up, but like talking at
(08:17):
the end because they never talkagain in the in the book.
So but anyway, that that's theone thing I'm most excited about
when it comes to the House ofthe Dragons.
Season three news.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know if this is what you were getting at, but
Olivia Cooke did confirm thatseason two was literally
supposed to have episodes oneand two of episodes one and two
of season two were supposed tobe the last two episodes of
season two, so I wish theyshould have.
I wish they were, it would haveworked really well.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And speaking of that, I will actually, actually, yeah
, I will say that.
I said that when we were onfellowship with the Mike podcast
, I said I think the girl thatwas was supposed to be.
Yeah, I said it first.
So, Olivia, you did.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I'll give you credits .
I remember you saying that, Iremember.
But speaking of the Alison'sRhaenyra agreement, Olivia Cook
did talk about that as well.
She said Alison has made abargain at the end of season two
so she's desperately trying toenact that.
I mean it's huge.
The season is huge.
Every single penny has gone onthe screen.
So I know it leaves us a bitworried, right?
(09:21):
Because, as you said, this isso far from what's happening in
the book.
So she's desperately trying toenact that.
I don't know what we're goingto see from Alison this season.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I don't think that much, because when you see the
we don't really hear aboutAlison.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
until you know future events, I'll say but then again
there's also like a leakedphoto from the set.
I don't know if you've heardabout that from the
post-production work and I don'tknow if I should be talking
about that, but they said thatsomeone on the team accidentally
posted something while theywere editing or filming.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Did you see it?
It?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
was a monitor.
I saw it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh, here you go.
We're going to say spoileralert.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Should I, or should I just?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
no, no, no.
Well, okay, so I'll say spoilerand I'll count to three and
then I'll put the time stamps onthe episodes and you can go
back and forward all right, orjust click the, click the
forward 30 seconds or 10 secondsyeah yeah, on your, on your
podcast app okay, so I'll sayspoiler one, one, two, three and
(10:24):
then go.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, so the shot looked to be Runear and Alicent
in the keep In like the queenslash king's quarters, like in
the ruler's quarters.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, so why the?
Heck would Rhaenyra be there?
That's my okay why, is shethere?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, oh, my God, or why is Alicent there?
I don't know Like it's.
You know what I mean, because Idon't know, okay so spoiler
alert this is a spoiler section.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Is this when Rhaenyra and everybody take over King's
Landing?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Supposedly.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Alicent was with her in her room.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay.
So is she going to be like okay, go away, you know, go to Essos
and pick oranges?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't know the person deleted the photo shortly
after, so it's floating aroundnow if you want to go and see.
It's just a quick photo, butyeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, I don't remember when reading the, the
book of, they have anyinteractions.
Okay, this is still spoiler.
No, I don't think so of umrenera and allison.
Once you know renera is umcrown queen in king's landing um
.
So yeah, I anyway, yeah, I'mpretty sure they're going to
(11:36):
figure a way out to keep thesetwo together in the storyline,
because we love these two yeahyeah, yeah.
They're going to figure out away to like tweak the story.
That way they're always onscreen together.
The ultimate thing was tochange the thing entirely and be
(11:58):
like oh she, now she's onreneur's side, which, no, you
can't do that, because again, wecomplain about the book and the
show, but remember that allisonis like 10 years older than her
.
They never really had arelationship, they were never
best friends, uh, so they didn'treally have that connection.
But in the, in the show, theyhave great chemistry, these
actors.
So anyway, yeah, that's the onething I'm going to be afraid of
(12:21):
.
They're going to tweak it.
So they're either collaboratingtogether or they're Rhaenyra.
Now, every episode, rhaenyra'sgoing to be constantly.
Oh, what should?
I do Not have the killerinstinct, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
She's going to be thinking about house and all the
time.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Anyway, all right, sorry I come in the same boat.
Come on like I agree with you.
But there's also something elsethat makes me like a bit
confused or weary and I don'tknow, I guess, worried about
season three.
There's another report aboutseason three that says that
there's going to be acharacter-driven conceptual
episode outside of the structureof the show.
So I'm guessing you rememberhow we said that season two
(13:00):
should have had one episode juston Damon and Harrenhal.
It should have been Damon andHarrenhal, luigi's Mansion type
of stuff, all the nightmares inone episode, and then that's it.
I think that that's what theyare going to do for season three
.
But at the same time, do wehave time?
Who do we have time?
Who do we think it's going tobe?
Is this necessary?
I I don't think it's.
(13:20):
Considering what's going tohappen in season three, I don't
think that there's time for this.
Like, what are they going?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
to do?
If it doesn't, if it hasnothing to do with the story, if
it doesn't move the story along, then then it's going to be the
most hated episode.
Uh, if it was a 20 episodeseason, then people were like,
okay, that was kind of quirky,but I like it yeah, it's gonna
work.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You're like, if they had time, if they, even if it
was 10 episodes would have beenfine.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But but yeah, when you have eight and you have so
much to cover, because right nowthe other report says that, uh,
season three is gonna have fourmajor events from fire and
blood yeah so you have fourmajor events with eight episodes
.
That means it's going to bemoving quickly, and then you're
going to pause it to go on ascavenger hunt or something with
(14:04):
a character.
They didn't say the character,right?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
No, no, they didn't say.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Unless it's like the Starks or something.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I don't know, but it worries me.
We'll see if that report turnsout to be true, because
obviously it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's not, didn't come from hb themselves, so we have
to wait and see um the one thingI saw about olivia cook I was
sorry that I kind of found funny, but it's not funny is that she
said she slapped tom glenncarney so hard that it made him
cry.
Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Oh, really, no, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
She said she was doing an interview and said I
walloped him.
I don't know my own strength.
It was a slap that resonatedacross the land.
It made him cry.
I mean that was the reactionthat he'd wanted for the camera,
but it felt awful.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
One thing she slapped him.
Well, beginning of season two.
I don't remember if we saw thaton camera.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Imagine he cried for nothing.
She actually slaps him.
I just looked that up quickly.
When he assaults the girl, hername's Diana.
We see that.
Oh yeah yeah, Season one'sDiana, we see that.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh yeah, season one, you're right.
Yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And speaking of Olivia Cooke, as you said, she's
going on a press tour now forher new series on Amazon Prime.
It's called the Girlfriend.
She's been talking about Houseof the Dragon a lot, and
something that she said aboutAlison was that she says that
she feels protective of her andshe has to be empathetic and she
feels sorry for her.
And she says, and I quote Ifeel she's grown up into this
patriarchal system and she'sbeen brainwashed by her father
to honour this lineage andobviously I think that's
(15:45):
something that's always beenforgotten or like ignored or
dismissed about Alicent and herstoryline and her arc.
So I think it's just importantthat it's brought up.
Even though Alison isn'tnecessarily lovable, it's
important to be empathetic, Ithink, with her character and to
keep this in mind whenevertalking about her.
But speaking of the fans and howthey're talking about Alison,
she says something else aboutthe fans as well, and she says
(16:07):
some of the fans have beenhorrible to our cast.
It makes me really angry thatwe're then supposed to just bow
down and pay obeisance to thesepeople that only want to say the
most debased, hate-filledthings.
But thankfully, thankfully,we've all experienced it in our
own way and we've got each other, which doesn't make it right.
I think it's the huge emotions.
There's also been reallywonderful interactions and I'm
so glad that emma gets as muchlove as they do as well, because
(16:27):
they're fantastic and such abeautiful, wonderful human as
well.
Matt's not a stranger to thefury of fandom, so he takes it
on the chin, he holds himself ina really lovely way where he
doesn't let it stick to him.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It's hard to be somebody famous and doing,
involved in this kind of IP.
I guess because you know, wesaw, we saw with the new Star
Wars movies how many of themdeactivated their socials
because they couldn't theycouldn't even like, put a random
picture of saying, oh, I'mhaving a cup of tea, and then
(16:58):
the comments oh you suck, yousuck, you, blah, blah, blah.
Say it with Bella Ramsey, andit's just, which is so
frustrating, because we knowthat more people are not like
that, like the majority are notlike that, but the ones who are
are the loudest.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know us being like the real fans.
We know that they aren'ttalking about us as well.
You know, like it's kind ofunsaid understanding that they
are talking about those peoplethat are vile on the internet
and like hide behind anonymous.
You know masks and you're not areal fan.
Honestly, if you're the type ofperson that says those things,
you can be allowed to criticizewithout being hateful, loud and
vile on the internet.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
hateful, loud and vile on the internet.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
You know what I mean.
That's not being an adult, letalone a fan.
So, yeah, I'm glad that shesaid something.
It's about time, honestly.
And that brings me to an updateor, I guess, a comment made by
one of our Game of Thronesactors on a similar topic.
Someone who I also gave aninterview recently is Nikolai
Kosterwalder, who plays JaimeLannister, and he was talking
about the backlash to Game ofThrones season 8.
He said it was expected.
(17:56):
How are you ever going to makean end that's going to satisfy
everyone?
That's a very difficult thing.
I absolutely think people areentitled to whatever opinion
they have, but it's a televisionshow.
Someone told you a story andyou didn't like the ending.
It's really annoying.
But and then he just shrugs.
Honestly, that's a very niceand concise way of saying it.
Yeah, you're going to beannoyed, but that's life.
You know, nothing is perfect.
(18:18):
You know no one is always goingto be happy.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
You can't satisfy everybody, even if something to
you is 10 out of 10 perfectmovie, series, book.
To another person it's notgoing to be the same way, and
he's probably not.
I mean, he probably said itnicely, but these actors are
probably annoyed and tired ofbeing asked about season eight.
(18:41):
The show was a phenomenon forseven seasons.
I mean, it was must-seetelevision.
Nobody waited till the next day.
You know how the shows nowstart.
Oh, I'll watch it.
No, everybody had to watch livebecause they didn't want to get
spoiled.
And then it comes to this.
It's kind of like the Sopranosactors your thoughts on the last
(19:01):
scene, on the last moment.
They've probably been hearingthat for 15 plus years yeah yeah
, yeah and I get it.
That's a good response.
Even if it was perfect, youstill would have had a little
faction of people saying thatsucked.
Nothing has 100% approvalNothing.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
So I like that you just said it in that way because
it's very direct.
You know, there's thissomething that I remember
hearing when I was younger andit kind of never left me, which
is a stupid quote, but it makessense, you know.
It says something like lifeisn't Burger King, you can't
always have it your way.
It's so stupid, but I thinkabout it often whenever it's
like, yeah, I just have to giveup and be like yeah, true, it's
(19:42):
not my way, but maybe this thingis.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
This is an actor who is responding to these questions
gracefully and he could havebeen the one to be like yeah,
man, that sucked.
My arc was so amazing and theyjust yeah him, you're right you
know he could have been likedisgruntled and be like oh these
people, I swear yeah, truewe've seen a lot of news
(20:06):
regarding the cast of game ofthrones and with nicolai, he's
doing a show called the king andthe conqueror, which he William
the Conqueror.
I haven't seen it yet andsomebody asked him a question
that said how does it feelyou're putting armor back on?
Does it remind you of Game ofThrones?
He goes well, not really.
(20:26):
It's a whole different show,different storylines, but I did
notice that my armor had somelions on it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh really.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah.
Oh, that's so cool some morenews with the cast we have,
which is kind of fun.
I saw a lot of people um doinglike voice acting for audiobooks
and then I saw this big thingon the westerosi page on
instagram that they put out umgame of thrones actors doing the
(20:55):
har Potter audiobook series.
So Kit Carrington is going toplay Professor Lockhart, mark
Addy is going to be RubeusHaggard, gemma Whelan, who
played Yara on the show, yaraGreyjoy is going to be Professor
Sprout, ewan Rian is going toplay Professor Lupin.
So it's going to be kind ofnice to listen to the the book
(21:17):
with familiar voices from gameof thrones.
We're like john snow, what areyou doing?
You're teaching a class now.
Well, which is kind of weirdbecause professor lockhart is
kind of a doofus yeah, that'swhat I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Like george, george john has, john kit kit has a
very specific accent.
I immediately recognized hisvoice.
I don't know if I was watchingonce or I heard his voice
somewhere.
I was like I know that voice.
It turned out to be him.
I'm so curious.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, because Lockhart is annoyingly charming
in a weird way.
He's so full of himself.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And there's one more really cool thing that the
actors in both Game of Thronesand House of the Dragon have
done recently, which is thatthey joined the list of over
3,900 actors and filmmakers thathave signed a pledge stating
that they will refuse to workwith Israeli companies that are
implicit in the genocide andapartheid against Palestinian
people.
The list includes Emma Darcy,who plays Rhaenyra, olivia Cooke
(22:15):
, aka Alicent, lena Headey,cersei.
Liam Cunningham, who plays SerDavos he's on the boat, I think,
going over there.
He's a great activist for thiscause, which is amazing and
Clarice Van Houten playsMerisandra and Indira Varma
plays Ellaria, and TomGlyncarnie, who plays Aegon, and
I think that's really cool ofthem.
It's really cool of them to doso.
(22:37):
Glad to see that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, it's something that you don't see, a lot People
putting their careers on theline.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
No, no, and the fact that they're all working actors
is very important as well.
They can't do Game of Throneswithout, or House of the Dragons
sorry, without Emma or Olivia,so it's really cool that they
did that and used their voicesfor good, especially Alim
Cunningham and what he's doing.
It's amazing, yeah, so I'mreally glad that they did that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, let's move on to Sophie Turner, another Game
of Thrones alumni.
Big news for her she'sofficially cast to play Lara
Croft Is that a show or a movie?
Let me look it up, Okay look itup, we'll wait for her.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You see those podcasts that they have people
in the background looking upstuff.
That's me, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Or, like you know, in the movies, whenever there's
like someone's like I'm going topull it up and you know like
that, like the hackers and stuff, and movies and tv shows.
Yeah, um, it's a prime video tvseries.
Okay, it was funny.
I, I thought the girlfriendthing with olivia cook was a
show or was a movie and I go letme check it out and go wait a
minute.
This is season one or series.
Yeah, oh, okay, sophie turneris doing some media stuff as
well and she recently said in amagazine called Flaunt they
asked her about controversialscene in season five with Ramsey
(24:05):
wedding scene.
She said I did feel, and stilldo, that Game of Thrones shown a
light on things that manypeople were like oh God, you
can't show that kind of things,and I understand it can be
triggering.
I totally understand.
That's the point of view.
She told the publication, thisFlock magazine Um, should I keep
(24:31):
going or do you want to?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You can.
I wasn't going to interrupt thequotes.
I was going to let you say thewhole thing and then I can talk.
Or do you want me to saysomething on that first?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I just had a thing about.
I can say one more quote andthen you can just jump in and
this is like a few quotes.
She also then said but I dofeel we were actually doing a
lot of justice to women and thefight women have to fight for
hundreds and thousands of years.
She continued the patriarchy,being treated as objects and
(25:04):
being consistently sexuallyassaulted.
I don't think there's one womanI know who hasn't had a form of
that.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I actually found a longer version of the quote to
where she continues and says Ithink if Game of Thrones came
out today we'd definitely putsome trigger warnings on there.
But I'm really proud to havebeen a part of Game of Thrones,
where they didn't shy away fromshowing atrocities that happened
to women back then.
I feel proud to have been apart of the conversation.
So it's a bit of a repetitionof what you said, what was
earlier on in the quote, but Ithink it's interesting because
(25:32):
you know it's something that'salways been criticized and about
game of thrones, the scenethat's always been said that we
we wish what was erased from theshow right, we even said that
on the podcast.
Um, and honestly I have likekind of mixed feelings towards
it because whenever there's ascene showing something like
(25:52):
that on screen, some people aresaying you should show horrific
acts in order for that horror tosit with you.
You know what I mean, like askind of what Sophie's saying
here, for you to see kind of thepatriarchy or how women were
treated, and it kind of has a,it can leave an impact.
You know there's this argumentthat cinema and what's on screen
doesn't always have to bepleasant, you should watch these
(26:14):
very uncomfortable scenes.
There's this argument thatcinema and what's on screen
doesn't always have to bepleasant.
You should watch these veryuncomfortable scenes because
there's a different kind ofpower within them.
But then you also have anotherparty that says but you should
never see this because it's likeexploitation, and I don't
really know how I feel about it.
I still think that it's a reallyhard watch, but I respect what
Sophie's saying and I do thinkthat, like, like I see, I see it
.
You know, like I see botharguments, I'm not, I don't
(26:37):
really have a very strong.
I don't lean one way or theother when it comes to this.
So I think that was a very hardwatch for me personally when I
saw it.
Of course, I think that'sespecially since it's something
that's not in the books.
I would never wish that forSansa.
I wish it didn't happen,because we do see this in other
aspects of Game of Thrones.
You know, we see it with Dany,we see it in so many other
(26:58):
different ways.
We see it with Alicent thedragon too.
But I just, yeah, I understand.
I guess it's just that for meit was too hard of a watch.
I want to add that Ewan Rian,who plays ramsay he he described
filming that scene as the worstday of his career oh yeah, he
(27:23):
said, I never thought about himactually when it came to that
scene, like I was too busyfocusing on sophia, thinking
about her and sansa that I nevereven considered what he
wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah he said this five years ago in a
magazine called Metro.
He said that was horrible.
Talking about the scene Quotenobody wanted to be there,
nobody wanted to do that.
But if it's telling the storywhen you have to tell it
truthfully.
It was a horrible, horrible day.
This is something that weshouldn't even have to worry
(27:52):
about, because it's somethingthat shouldn't exist in the
world, but unfortunately it does.
I, I can't imagine being onthat show, especially with that
crew.
Who's growing up with sophieturner yeah, you know you know.
And then all of a sudden you seethat I'm sure it was pretty
triggering, one of those thingsthat in the novel she never goes
back to, when she's still inthe veil, I think, little finger
(28:15):
still wanting to do somethingwith her in the veil.
So, yeah, that's one of thosestory arcs that I really, really
hate that they changed from thebook because we didn't really
need to see that.
But then again, how, how do youhave the veil?
I don't know.
I'll keep my speculations andmy thoughts on that when we get
to it, because I have too muchto say and this will be a
(28:36):
two-hour podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, now that we've discussed both Game of Thrones
and House of the Dragon, it'stime to look to the future and
Annihilate the Seven Kingdoms.
Annihilate the Seven Kingdomsis the new upcoming spinoff show
from the world of Song of Iceand Fire and George's Universe
and, just as a refresher, incase you need the reminder, it's
based on a collection of shortstories, aka the Tales of Duncan
Egg, novellas written by GeorgeRR Martin, of course, and they
all follow a knight known as SirDuncan the Tall, aka Dunk and
(29:01):
his squire Egg, as they wanderand travel through Westeros
during the Targaryen dynasty.
That being said, the show willbe set between the events of
House of the Dragon and Game ofThrones, so after House of the
Dragon but, 100 years before theevents of Game of Thrones and
hearing that premise of the show, you can, or should, already
guess that this will bedifferent House of the Dragon
and Game of Thrones.
It'll be more intimate, withoutheavy focus on the noble houses
(29:21):
.
There are no dragons.
It's almost like you just picktwo semi-background characters
in Westeros and are followingthem.
At least that's how it shouldfeel like, I think, for season
one, because obviously by seasontwo there'll be the main
characters and things will pickup.
Also, unlike the other shows,it's been reported that the
(29:43):
episodes will be less than 40minutes long, which is insane
because I wouldn't really expectthat kind of Game of Thrones
show.
But it'll be interesting to see.
There are three novellas intotal and there will be one
season per novella.
Seasons two and three, I believe, are already confirmed for the
show and will be filmed back toback, with production set to
begin in the spring of 2022.
We've gotten first looks at theshow, we've gotten a few photos
, but we've yet to receive aproper trailer.
We're expecting one soon.
There will be a panel on theshow at New York Comic Con on
October 9th, with George RRMartin scheduled to be in
(30:05):
attendance as well as the show'sstars Peter Claffey, who plays
plays Dunk Dexter, saul Ansellplays Ek, and showrunner Ira
Parker.
If a trailer is released, thenexpect an episode on us from
that.
We would love to dissect it andtalk about it.
The show is actually originallyscheduled to be released now.
Actually I believe it wassupposed to be airing right now.
We kind of planned our podcastwith that in mind, but
(30:26):
unfortunately it got delayed toearly winter 2026, so we're
expecting a january or februarypremiere date for the show.
We talked about this in thepast as well.
It was worrying to me and, Ithink, some other fans, that the
show was delayed until then,because sometimes not all the
time shows and movies that getreleased around that time are
projects that the studios don'treally have faith in.
They kind of just dump it injanuary and february.
You reminded me that that's nota guarantee, um, and it's
(30:49):
reassuring that seasons two andthree are at least already
confirmed and that George R RMartin is still on as an
executive producer and hedoesn't seem to have any
problems with the showrunners orhow they're adapting the story
just yet, like he has nothingbut good things to say about
them which is a good thing,because House of the Dragon, of
course, did eventually turn intoa bit of it.
There was some drama there.
We're going to have a night ofthe seven kingdoms beginning of
the year and then House of thedragon, likely after the summer.
(31:11):
So yeah, you mentionedsomething where it's like, um,
now that we covered season three, we finished it and we're kind
of just like, uh, taking it easy.
It's like this is the calmbefore the storm yeah, yeah,
yeah this is the calm before thestorm.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's 2026 when it comes to game of thrones and
george's world, so this would bea fun year, and we hope that
you're descending along yeah,the one thing the one uh little
pushback I saw was that peoplewere kind of scratching their
heads and and upset that theepisodes would be 30 to 35
minutes or 40 maybe, because youdon't really see that when you
(31:45):
were talking about the material.
It's only 100 pages of a book.
The 30 minutes is good because,like I said, we talk about the
hobbit.
The hobbit shouldn't have beenthree movies, it should have
been two at the max.
Uh, so the first few months ofthis this year people were
speculating and kind of likewhat's going on?
We're not seeing anything forthe 17th.
We're not seeing.
We saw a couple stills.
(32:06):
We don't have a trailer.
This is supposed to come out inmarch.
We kind of knew that that wasgoing to be the case, that it
was going to be delayed.
George is on board.
That's all I can ask for and Ithink and I just hope that
people enjoy this dragon-lessshow.
This is going to be morecharacter-driven stories,
mandalorian and Grogu kind ofthing.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And I think that's all the Westeros series we have
to share with you guys today.
If you've been following alongour Game of Thrones Season 3
rewatch, you'll remember we saidthat our episode after the
finale would be on Robb Stark.
It would have been like acharacter analysis on him and
focusing on his downfall.
But we had to share this quick,bite-sized episode with you
guys, since we've been coveringSeason 3 for months now and we
just needed like a little newsepisode to get us all up to
(32:49):
speed with what's to come in thefuture from world of song, of
ice and fire.
Our next episode willdefinitely be on rob stark, so
look forward to that, andhopefully we'll also have the
train analysis on a night of theseven kingdoms, if we get that
trailer at new york comic-conearly october.
Oh and tony, we also forgot tomention the house.
The dragon.
Season two won the emmy for thebest period.
Fancy sci-fi makeup,non-prosthetic yes, it's
(33:13):
actually this the show's secondemmy ever.
The other one, I think, wasbest drama, wasn't it?
So congrats to them.
Uh, and that's that.
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