Fire, Ice, and Friendship: Our 2-Year Celebration

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hi everyone and welcome to Dancing with Dragons,
a podcast dedicated to Game ofThrones, house of the Dragon and
the world of A Song of Ice andFire, created by George R R
Martin.
My name is Manoa and I'm here,as always, with my co-host, tony
, and we're here for a veryspecial episode.
We're celebrating two years ofour podcast.
That's right.

(00:30):
Our very first episode droppedthis month, not exactly on this
day, dropped on May 13th, twoyears ago and for the second
year in a row, we completelyforgot to celebrate on the
actual day.
I don't know why we keepforgetting about this.
We're sorry, but it's true.
Dancing with Dragons Passionwhere, once again, passion,
again passionate about our ownparty and at this point it's
basically a tradition, likeTyrion, drinking and knowing
things.
But we're here now and we'vegot something fun coming To mark

(00:51):
the occasion.
We're doing another Q&A special, answering your questions about
Game of Thrones, house of theDragon and beyond.
Tony, how have these two yearsbeen for you?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
For me it seems it's gone by so quickly Thinking
about it.
We started the process oftrying to create this podcast in
November of 2022.
I DMed you and said what do youthink about this?
And you're like, well, maybe Idon't know, I don't think so.
And then me going okay, I'm notgoing to pester her or keep

(01:22):
asking.
She said no.
And then, like four weeks later, I think, after you were on the
podcast a third time, it wentreally well and I think people
are like, wow, she's really goodon the podcast.
I said I think, well, we'regoing to have to, I have to
figure out some way.
So then I I don't know what themessage was that I sent you

(01:42):
that made you go well, okay, letme think about it and then I
should look that up.
I should scroll all the wayback to see what it said.
For me it's been really fun, Ithink, about a question that we
got.
So we had a lot of questionssubmitted from friends and
families and listeners andthere's one that I just, if it's
okay with you, I want to startoff and answer really quick.

(02:04):
It was submitted by grant, whois on instagram and he has a big
uh ig page.
Actually, I think he passedover a hundred thousand
followers or he's close to it.
His handle is movie scenesperiod and shit, so sorry for
the curse word there, but that'shis handle.
Uh, he actually sent a fewquestions, but this is the one

(02:25):
that I'm going to start with.
He asked what improvements madeto the pod since that first
episode are you most proud of?
You know, I recently listenedto the first podcast I don't
know a few months ago Well,maybe a month ago and I actually
was surprised that.
I really thought we did well.
It sounded pretty good.

(02:45):
The only thing I remember doingwas that I took off the whole
chunk of us talking about thepilot that didn't air.
That was like five, eightminutes of us talking and then
we actually made an episodeabout it, just dedicated to that
topic.
The difference between now andthen is that our conversations
are more fluid and it's easier,and I remember editing our first

(03:11):
10, 20, and it would take medays because it was so much I
had to edit, and now I can editan episode in a few hours and
that's a testament to us gettingbetter as podcasters, knowing
when to talk, knowing when tostop, being more prepared.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, I agree, I mean , I was gonna.
My mind immediately went backto the first episode as well,
and how kind of, I don't want tosay.
We were overly prepared,because we were both weirdly
overprepared but alsounderprepared.
Like we came with too manynotes.
We wanted to say everything,everything and we wanted to
include every like tiny littlebit of behind the scenes trivia,

(03:51):
every opinion on every likepixel on the screen, almost
about that episode, about thefirst episode of game of thrones
, and like I don't blame usbecause we both love that
episode so much and it's soimportant in this episode game
of thrones.
But I feel like now we got to aplace where we kind of just
know exactly what, like therights, um, we don't go over the

(04:12):
limits and also our attitudes.
I think you were confident, Iwas a bit nervous, I think, uh,
I think you can see more of achange from episode one.
Yeah, and now, like you can seeme change a lot.
If you go back and listen tothe earlier episodes, then you
come back and listen to ourrecent ones.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, by the time I started this podcast, I already
had done 25, 26 episodes of myfirst podcast called the Real
Spotlight.
So I was not a pro, but I wentinto this kind of knowing the
ropes and you were more.
This was just your fourthepisode and now you're a co-host
, and now you have to be readyevery week or every other week.

(04:53):
So it was a totally differentworld for you and you went into
it.
You're doing great, I think,and I'm happy that you said yes.
I always say that.
But I realized inviting you tothat third episode kind of
something went off in my head.
I go maybe I should do this.
Maybe I should because I'vebeen thinking about it.
You know what kind of.

(05:13):
I want to do another podcastand I go well, I really want to
do Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Discussing the season one finale of House of the
Dragon on the real spotlightconfirmed that I needed you to
be this uh, co-host here well,I'm glad I I love that like one
thing between another and theneventually everyone podcasts and
people are listening to it andhopefully enjoying yeah, let me
segue to our next question isfrom gabriel or filmbooth on

(05:40):
instagram, the friend of thepodcast.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
He will be a guest soon.
His question is if not game ofthrones, what other show would
you dedicate a podcast to?
Now we've answered this in thepast and I've said battle star
galactica and you know you laughat me I just know that's your
favorite and that's like you.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
you I don't mean to use this word in like an
offensive way, obviously, butlike you nerd out about as much
much as Game of Thrones, almostso like I knew that that was
going to be your pick that time.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
So I have a different answer because I recently
finished watching a show thatrenewed my love for this
franchise, I guess.
But let me, I'll let you answerfirst.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, my pick is the same it's Good More Girls.
I always have a lot to say onGood More Girls.
I reference it very, very often.
Storylines like lessons learnedthrough Good More Girls quotes
everything.
So Good More Girls.
I have a lot of opinions onGood More Girls.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
When did that show Are you talking about?
Did they do like a not not aremake, but like a newer?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
yeah, they did like, not a new version of like the
beginning of like the story.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
They did a like a continuation like what are they
doing now, kind of shows yeah,kind of like now how many years
later was it?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Maybe like 10.
It was, I think, almost 10years later.
Yeah, and I have opinions onthe continuation as well.
I don't like it, even though Ilove the original show.
Yeah, get more girls, don't getme started, I'm not going to
stop talking.
So, get more girls.

(07:24):
What?
Get me started, I'm gonna, I'mgonna, I'm not gonna stop
talking.
So what's about you?
What's your new answer to any?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
uh, it would have to be star wars related because,
you know, when it comes to youknow, game of thrones, I mean
star wars to me is so huge.
It's been a part of my lifesince I was like four years old,
and I'm already years old, uh,so it's been quite a while.
I always hesitated because thestar wars fandom is so toxic

(07:49):
that I wouldn't want to beassociated with that.
But now I'm like I don't care,like I you know, I could just
delete, block, it's not gonnaaffect my life.
Well, you know, if somebodysays something nasty about me on
the internet, because who givesit rats behind, uh, but it's
something I wouldn't just focuson one show, I would just do the
whole world, because it coverskind of like a song of ice and

(08:13):
fire.
The the world is so ginormous.
The books uh, have you everread any star wars books?
no no, okay, there's two that Ireally love it.
One is called Lost Stars andthe other one is called
Bloodline.
Bloodline focuses on PrincessLeia Five years before the new
Empire take over and ForceAwakens, so you kind of get to

(08:36):
see her.
She's leaving the Senate MonMothra is still there.
You get Han Solo still asmugglerler.
You get to hear about kylo renand it's a very interesting
story, very in-depth politicaladventure, all that stuff.
so it's really nice and that'ssomething I would have loved to
seen as a movie, but you can'tdo it because you couldn't

(08:57):
recast anybody, like peoplewould just freak out all right,
let's, let's move on from that,because I'm, I, I'm, I feel like
I'm I'm doing the podcast nowof star wars so wait, were you a
fan of star wars as a kid, likedid you grow up with it?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
because that makes me think of a question that we got
from lewis, our friend, uhfriend of the podcast.
Lewis, at lulu reviews saidwhat's a movie or show that
defined your childhood?
Was that star wars for you?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
yeah, so star war.
I remember watching um the myfirst star wars movie.
I think I was five or six yearsold, so that was like 19, mid
80s, um, so I kind of got lostin it.
I remember my uncle buying thevhs tapes and he kind of left
them at my brother's house and Ijust kind of wore out the VHS,

(09:47):
just watching it over and overagain.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, so you grew up with the Tutsi kind of yeah,
yeah.
That's fair.
I think that you know why I dolike Star Wars.
I probably don't have that deepof an emotional attachment to
it because I didn't grow up withit.
I kind of got into it more as ateenager.
For me, I think the movie orstory that defined my childhood
was definitely harry potter.
Um and uh, I like that lewisused the word um defined my

(10:12):
childhood because that's themost accurate description of me
with harry potter, like I grewup being like I am gonna turn
into hermione kinshaw, like thatis me, like I found like a
person, like a role model, sucha young age in her Hermione yeah
, so she and Harry Potter, likethe overall story defined my
childhood like ever since I wasreally young and then I think,

(10:32):
when I was like 14, 15 was whenthe last movie came out.
So, yeah, childhood right there.
Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You were how old when that came out?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
When Deathly Hallows, let me double check, oh I.
When deathly hallows, uh, letme double check, oh, I'm sorry,
deathly hallows part two cameout in 2011.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was 13.
Wow, it's just.
It makes me sound so old, eventhough I love star wars so much,
and it really affected my movielove in that, that childhood I
think I don't know if it definedwho I was as a movie goer when
I was that that young, I wouldsay, believe it or not, martial

(11:12):
arts movies is what defined mychildhood.
Is I just?
that's all I watched with mybrother like he would buy, so he
would go to chinatown in newyork and buy all the bootlegs
okay and you would see, like allthe new jackie chan movies,
like jet lee, uh van der, allthose you know, martial arts
movies in the 80s and early 90sand they, but they were all

(11:35):
horribly dubbed oh, no way.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And to what like english or or spanish?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
english, english.
And it was funny because I I'msure you've seen these funny
videos of of those those moviesbeing dubbed back in the day, of
them talking, and then it takesa second for the other voice to
come out yeah, yeah, yeah so Imean that that that would define
my childhood.
but but again, I also it was inlove with all sp Spielberg stuff

(12:04):
in the 80s as well, and Back tothe Future was huge for me.
And when it comes to TVcartoons Ninja Turtles, because
that came out when I was six, sothat's something.
I would watch every day and allthe Disney shows in the 80s like
DuckTales and Darkwing Duckwhat is it?

(12:30):
The other one with the tailspin?
If you're old you're gonna knowall these shows.
And I bought all those shows onat costco.
They they put like the firstthree seasons of every show out
and I just bought them.
I'm like and my wife said, whyare you buying that?
I said, well, it's for the kids.
This is back in the early 2000s, so they were young.
She believed that it was forthe kids, but it was really for

(12:51):
me.
A lot of nostalgia there.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I love that.
I recognize a few of thesentences that you mentioned.
Not all, but Back to the Futureand Speedway movies were also
really big parts of my childhood, like formative years as well.
I just wanted to mention that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, let me jump into.
We have a lot of segues here,so I want to segue to Mania's
question.
A good friend, Mania fromStygianfilms.
She was my co-host for the RealSpotlight.
She asked what do you think ofthe new Harry Potter series?
It's's funny because you loveit so much.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I haven't really asked you about this, so I'm
gonna hear this for the firsttime yeah, I think both you and
monia are gonna regret asking methat question just because,
like I'm scared I go off on atangent, um, I'm so disappointed
that it's happening.
I guess I mean they say, orthey have said, that the reason

(13:46):
why they're doing it so thatthey can be more faithful to the
books, because they obviouslyedited some things out from the
books when they made us into themovies.
You know there are some detailsthat they changed in and, um,
uh, cut out, but I think thatthose movies are again.
This might be my emotionalattachment to it but they're so
perfect as they are, even thoughthey did edit some things out
and some things could have beenbetter.

(14:09):
I just don't see a world inwhich remaking harry potter from
scratch is a good idea becausethey already have problems with
casting.
Uh, now, you know, like I don'thave any problem with them
casting snape as anafrican-american, like I don't
mind race bending.
But now it's like people aresaying that it's problematic
because it's like he's going tohate Harry and it's going to be

(14:31):
related to his race, when thatisn't really related to Snape at
all.
And Snape is also like part ofthe Death Eaters, which is like
very similar to, like certainvery opinionated groups that
existed in the 1940s and upuntil today.
Do you know what I mean?
Like I could, like I don't knowif that's either, but like
world wars cut.
You know what I mean?
Like it's I, I've read thosecritiques and they stayed with

(14:56):
me, and sort of the others.
Like I, there are eight books.
Right, they're like seven,seven books, sorry, there's
seven books and now they takelike ages to film one season.
So when are they?
I don't, we don't need it.
We don't, we don't need, wedon't need this whole journey
again with all of these mistakesand like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I just feel well you know what that's a good so like
yeah that's a good point abouthow it's taking forever to do
one season of tv.
Now what are they going?
To do with these kid actors.
They can't wait two, threeyears per season that's, that's
exactly it like they would haveto film back to back to back,

(15:36):
like every year without fail.
And I don't see that happeningbecause this is going to require
big sets, a lot of CGI.
You know what I mean?
Various locations.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So it's not going to be expensive.
Yeah, and we've seen the delaysthat we've seen already with
Stranger Things.
I mean, we met those actors askids and now they're adults and
one of them is married, they'rein their 20s and it's not done
yet and the story hasn'tprogressed that much.
I don't know, it's just just itseems like such a nightmare
logistically, like politically,um, like in terms of the story,

(16:13):
like well, I just I don't seeany benefits to it happening, uh
at all, especially since ithasn't been that long since the
last harry potter movie movie.
It's not like they're revivingsomething that's dead.
You know what I mean?
The people that grew up withHarry Potter are still young,
like me.
We don't need a new one.

(16:34):
It's not like they're remakingsomething from the 60s.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's funny because I think if they would have waited,
25 years maybe, you can getaway with it, Because you would
have been much older and you'relike oh, Harry Potter is going
to be nice to go back into theworld.
But this is not even 14 yearsago, right, yeah, 14 years ago.
And I think that for me I haveno desire.

(17:02):
I don't really care that it'scoming out.
I did see the casting of thethree main characters, you know,
harry.
Ron and Hermione, and I do seeall the crap they're taking.
It's so much that when HBOposted the casting, they turned
off the comments because theyknew that trolls were going to

(17:23):
attack this little girl.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That's bad though.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, they spent no— Because I saw the post and it
said five minutes ago andalready they had the comments
turned off Because they knewthat what was going to happen.
Why do we have people like thisin the world, who literally
spend one second thinking aboutthe race or the?
Color of a fictionalcharacter's skin, like that's

(17:47):
what you're worried I want tolive in your world that you have
nothing to worry about otherthan this.
But anyway, I saw this littlegirl's audition and I go.
That's emma watson, yeahliterally and I go.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
How can you?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
that shit already.
Okay, okay, shut everybody up,because just, the mannerisms,
the way she's talking, she hasthat know-it-all sass to her
speaking ways.
You know, that's what we loveabout Hermione, like, yeah,
she's a know-it-all, but we loveher because not being a
know-it-all to me, you know awitch, I want to say the other
word she's doing it because shebelieves it and she's doing it

(18:26):
because that's she believes itand she's right.
Yeah, she's always right.
If I cared about the series, Igo, okay, I feel good now that I
see this little actress beingcasted.
Okay, it might be a good seriesor they might doing well.
And then, uh, casting johnlithgow.
I think john lithgow is one ofthe greatest actors we have.
Um, he could.
He played churchill in thecrown perfectly.
He could do anything.

(18:47):
So I I don't have a problemwith with the casting, it's just
, I think with a lot of peopleis going to have a problem with
getting over the creatorspolitical oh yeah, yeah, I kind
of forgot to say that too.
Yeah that's one of the hugestthings that that people I'm
really.
I don't care about this newseries.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Uh what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
is season one, just gonna uh represent the first
book.
Are you gonna do season?
Are you gonna do seven seasons,so a season is each book?
I don't know what, what theplans are.
I don't know if you do or not Idon't know if this was official
information.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
That was going to be a book per season, but it's so
unnecessary.
Maybe they're going to combineone and two, I don't know.
It's just like.
What's more could they add, youknow?
And about the, I just want tomake like one, just in case I
wasn't clear about what I saidabout the.
Like the hermione character,I'm totally in support of her.
I think she's perfect.
But what I said about snape isjust because they said that

(19:40):
casting him, uh, like not as awhite guy makes it worse.
Do you know what I mean?
Like they Snape should be white, just because, if he's not,
then it adds that, like Snape'saggression comes from his race.
Do you know what I mean?
That was the argument.
We were saying that it's he'sone of the only characters that
should should have remained likewhite, because it's not, like

(20:04):
politically correct if he's not.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
So that's just what I wanted to to clarify and also I
I mean I don't know who'splaying snape.
I wish him good luck yeah butit's also really hard to follow
alan rickman.
He's such a freaking, you know,he's such a legend.
It's like doing the lord of therings again and and somebody
else yeah somebody else isplaying gandalf like I can't I

(20:28):
can't do it.
I do want to add a question thatwasn't for this particular
episode.
Last episode we discussed uh,season three, episode five, kiss
by fire for game of thrones andwe had a question that I my
fault I completely forgot to askin the podcast.
It came from QKH, underscore187.

(20:50):
He asked the question.
Dean Jamie would have had thisturn if he didn't lose his hand,
meaning if his change incharacter, his arc which.
I think is a really greatquestion.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You sent me this question beforehand and that's
really great question.
You sent me this questionbeforehand and that's exactly
what's going to happen.
That's an amazing question andafter thinking about it for a
while, I honestly think thatthere's no way that Jamie would
have had that change at all ifhe hadn't lost his hand.
It was a key, pivotal momentfor his character that stripped

(21:23):
a part of his identity from him.
You know what I mean.
Like that was his sword hand,his fighting hand.
That was his entire identity,his like the only kind of good
part about his reputation.
That was like, if you can't umpraise jamie for anything, you
can at least say that he's agood swordsman and he's
completely stripped of that andhe's left with kind of like I
don't want to say the bad side,but he's just left with

(21:45):
everything that he's not proudof about himself.
You know what I mean, becauseeverything that he, the one
thing he was proud of, was takenaway from him.
So when he's left so broken,that's when he kind of develops
finally develops like empathyand understanding and that's why
he was able to open up toBrienne and care about her

(22:06):
slightly.
So I think that's yeah,definitely it's.
It's like the death of the oldJaime in the beginning of a new
one, yeah, when he lost his hand.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I agree.
I think there's no way.
If he's not captured or loseshis sword hand, if he is safely
in King's Landing the whole time, there's no way he changes.
I think the events force himinto this painful self-awareness
.
It's his fall from grace thatmakes the redemption possible.

(22:37):
Without him going through allthe stuff he went through and
let's say, without that him andKing's Landing going, I want to
be a good guy.
Like it wouldn't have worked.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
You know him turning against his sister or his father
.
Without having gone through allwhat he went through, it
wouldn't have been so powerfulas what the show delivered.
Before we go to the nextquestion I don't know the name,
he just the handle is QKH,underscore 187,.
Who submitted the Jamiequestion?

(23:09):
He sent us a message because Ikind of I said hey, we apologize
, we forgot your question butwe'll take care of it.
Today, on the recording he justsent, he sent us a DM saying
we'd love for you guys to do anepisode covering the Seven
Kingdoms in in detail, liketheir inception, economies,
geographies, culture, slash,traditions and allegiances,

(23:31):
which all good suggestions.
I think we do have plans to doone, like on the religions of
westeros and essos, and want togo into episodes that are prior
to the conquest of Aegon.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Speaking of Targaryen-less stories in Game
of Thrones that we want to see.
We got a question from Cadenunderscore Crippen, who says
what is a story in the Game ofThrones world you would want to
show about that is not as wellknown?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
That's a good question.
Like I just mentioned, we wantto get into that in future
episodes and now that we don'thave Dunk and Egg to look
forward to in the summer, weanything to do with the Starks,
like we can do one of the lastking in the North, torrhen Stark

(24:20):
.
He's the one that kneeled toAegon.
There's also how the wall wasbuilt.
Oh, the real Long Night.
We could do that.
That's something that peoplewould enjoy, or I would enjoy
for sure.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And one that I'd like to add is actually one that we
mentioned before, which is thestory of the Night's King at the
Wall.
One that we mentioned before,which is the story of the
Night's King at the Wall.
We mentioned this in a previouspodcast, I think.
We did an episode aboutpotential spinoffs and we
mentioned this story in depth,so please check out that episode

(24:58):
to hear the story in depth.
It's basically about a LordCommander of the Night's Watch
that goes beyond the Wall andkind of marries a Wilding and
kind of marries a White walker.
It's kind of insane, um, andit's dark.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
So I think that's really cool to get as a mini
series the question from tommyminority obsession, who was a
guest of the podcast when we did, uh, the small council.
We created our own smallcouncils.
That was a fun episode, uh, socheck that out.
He are you more excited forHouse of the Dragon, season 3,
or the first season of the Nightof the Seven Kingdoms?

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I honestly might say a Night of the Seven Kingdoms,
just because I have worriesabout House of the Dragon,
season 3 and I don't have asmany worries about the Night of
the Seven Kingdoms.
We left Season 2 of House ofthe seven kingdoms uh, we left
season two past the dragon.
On a bit of a nervous note.
We didn't like some changesthat they did.
We already didn't know wherethey were going because they

(25:53):
changed a lot from the book.
So I'm I'm kind of nervousabout the future past the dragon
, um, whereas with the night ofthe seven kingdoms I know people
are worried about this as well,because, um, because of, like
the delay, but, um, I I justthink that it'll be interesting
to see a show that's different,where they take their time.
I'm excited to see that morethan as the dragon season three.

(26:16):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I feel a little disappointed about the delay,
and I'll tell you why.
It's because you have sixepisodes it's not like you had
this ginormous season of 20episodes that you need your time
to do post-production and andediting and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.
Like six episodes.
Come on.
What are we doing like, was it?

(26:38):
Or are you doing it because youfilmed it and then you didn't
like it?
And now you're doing reshootsLike what?
What is?
I want to know the the mainreason, instead of just saying,
oh, we're just delaying it untilnext year because now you have
two a song of ice and fire showsin the same calendar year.
Yeah, are they going to?

(27:01):
Does that mean they're delayingHouse of the Dragon?
Like I can't.
They might honestly classicunderdog and egg brings a fresh,

(27:25):
you know put a political layer,I'm gonna say, especially to
those who know who he becomes,and it's a chance to explore
westeros in a more quieter, morecharacter driven way.
And you know you have a nobleknight trying to do the right
thing in a gray world.
Because again I've mentioned inthe dunkin egg episode we did
is that dunk reminds me of nedstark when it comes to honor

(27:48):
yeah and loyalty and all that.
So we're gonna see a tall, nedstark walking around with this
little kid.
Feel like I want to see aclassic adventure story with
heart, and I could.
Of course I want to see houseof the dragon season three, but
I'd rather.
If you gave me a choice, I'mgoing to pick Duncan A.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
And moving on from this question, we got a
submission from one of ourInstagram friends, quinn, at
views by Quinn, who sayscongrats on two years.
Thank you, quinn.
He says what's been a favoriteepisode you've recorded so far.
I'm really curious about youranswer, tony.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
So if I had to pick one, I'm going to pick two,
because I'm going to cheat.
I love the House of the Undyingepisode we did.
I just think us covering achapter from the Clash of Kings
books was really fun and it'ssomething that we want to do and
we talked about recently.
I'll give everybody a spoilerof what we're going to try to do
in the future.
We're going to do the Battle ofBlackwater Bay.

(28:45):
Then, once we cover the RedWedding the show, then we're
going to go back and cover ithow it was in the book and we
also want to do one on Ned'sdeath.
The second one I'll pick is onewe did about George.
Now we've done two episodes onGeorge RR Martin One when we
talked about his blog, how hetalked about House of the Dragon
, season two, but the first onewe did, we talked about him, the

(29:09):
origins of the of the Game ofThrones books, his life, how he
started as a writer.
I think that was a really funepisode and I and I really
really, really, really enjoyedit.
And that was one of our veryfirst ones.
First ones.
I think that was like our 12thor 13th episode?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
really, was it that early on?
Yeah, yeah, it was the 13thepisode, wow, wow.
So actually that george episodeis also one of my favorites.
Um, that was one of my picks.
Uh, I I think I was the onethat did most of the research
for that and I had so much funjust researching about his life
and like talking about him, so Ireally enjoyed that episode.
And I think my other favoriteepisode was one that I also got

(29:51):
really excited about, and that'sthe Robert Trebellion episode.
I think I've been telling youmore like let's do another
historical one is anotherhistorical one, because I really
enjoyed talking about RobertTrebellion.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Recounting it.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's our most downloaded episode, by
the way yeah, I know, I know andI love it so much, like it's
within reason that's the mostdownloaded one, because it's
like we recounted all the majorlike things you need to know
about Robert's Rebellion and atthe same time, within it, you
know, you get the story of Lianaand Rhaegar and and I got so
passionate about it, like whilewe were prepping for that

(30:28):
episode, while we were recordingAfter it, like I couldn't stop
thinking about Robert C Beddingfor a while and how I really
loved that part.
It's Robert C Bedding andGeorge.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, because we kind of touched on Ned and Robert's
past you know friendship, howtheir friendships began, and we
also touched upon the Mad Kingand all those theories and that
also that was a really goodepisode when we did about the
Mad King because we kind of gotinto his friendships with Tywin
and how that soured and wentsouth.
So let me go on to the nextquestion.

(30:59):
We actually got three morequestions from Grant, Movie
Scenes and Shite, I will sayShite.
He asked what does john snow?
know he knows honor, I guess,kind of he he knows how to be
stubbornly loyal and honorablewhen it yeah, he doesn't know

(31:21):
how to the one that pissed meoff the most, and this is season
seven, so we can kind of throwit away.
It's when he doesn't know howto the one that pissed me off
the most, and this is seasonseven, so we can kind of throw
it away it's when he can't lieto cersei yeah it's like bro,
it's a little white lie.
You know this.
This, this is a monster.
You're not.
She doesn't deserve your honor,your word of honor.
And it's so annoying when he'slike I cannot, I'm serving one

(31:44):
other queen already andeverybody just rolls their eyes
like, oh my god he knows how totell the truth.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean I kind of feel bad saying that, because he did
do an okay job being undercoverwith the knights, with the
wildlings.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
To be honest, even if he'd lied, cersei wouldn't have
.
She would have done the samething anyway.
So let's stop so.
So grant's next question isthat uh, basically asking us
when we started our first day ofrecording, did you ever think
on day one that george would beno closer to finishing the book

(32:23):
two years later?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
oh yeah, yeah.
I think there was like a momentwithin that time frame where I
don't remember what's happened,but there was like a hint that
was going to be soon at somepoint.
I don't know what's happened, Ican't.
I can't remember for the lifeof me now, but something
happened where they were like oh, winter, winter is actually
coming sooner rather than later.
I remember like accountsposting about instagram, like

(32:47):
it's coming up by the end of theyear.
I forgot which year is my, Idon't know if it was within that
time frame or like before, butI think that was the only time
where I actually felt like itwas in the foreseeable future,
because it went like, it spreadlike, like like wildfire, the
news that was coming soon, likeI don't know what was the source
of that news, but it felt soreal and then turned out to be

(33:09):
true, obviously, but that wasthe only time I ever felt like
winds of winter is coming soonyeah, I've defended george
because, you know, ultimatelyit's his baby and I'll still
defend them, even though Windsof Winter was released in 2012.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Or 2011, I'm sorry.
So that's 14 years, almost adecade and a half.
There's so many other projectshe's done, he's involved with,
he's producing, he's writing and, yeah, I get when people are
getting upset and people willsay, say, well, let somebody
else write it.
Well, I don't want to read whatsomebody else wrote, I want to
read his.
And if he doesn't do it, thenyeah he doesn't do it.

(33:52):
He wrote in his new blog and itjust came out this wednesday.
So right now we're at the 30thof may and then may 28th he
released a blog called HowardMeets Hercules.
So he's doing a new project,the animated feature.
Obviously he puts that news outand instantly you get people
saying why are you doing this?

(34:12):
And blah, and he's just tiredof it.
So he goes.
I know this is what he wroteand I quote.
I know I know some of you wouldjust be pissed off by this, as
you are by everything.
I announced that it's not aboutWesteros or the Winds of Winter
.
You have given up on me or onthe books.
I will never finish Winds If Ido.
I will never finish A Dream ofSpring.

(34:33):
If I do, it won't be any goodand I ought to find some other
writer to pinch hit for me.
I'm going to die soon anywaybecause I'm so old.
I lost all my interest in ASong of Ice and Fire decades ago
.
I don't give a shit aboutwriting anything.
This is all him saying what fansare saying to him he ultimately
writes I do care about theworld that I created, and I care

(34:55):
about Westeros and the winds aswell, the Starks, the
Lannisters, the Targaryens,tyrion and Asha, dany and
Daenerys, the dragons and thedirewolves that care about them
all more than you can everimagine.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Leave this man alone already yeah maybe he's testing
everybody maybe honestly, Idon't know.
I feel so bad for him and Ijust wish that people would kind
of give him a break.
I know that they're like no,but he doesn't deserve him, poor
guy.
I don't know, and I should.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And I don't know.
It's because he's stuck on astoryline or a plot that he
can't fix, or he screwed up Many, many theories on that as well.
No, I mean, I'm not surprisedthat it's not out.
But let's go on to the nextquestion, because again, we've
done a whole episode about this.
So Grant's next question is dofantasy books work better as

(35:51):
movies or shows?
Got is a great show, but Lordof the Rings are great films.
I was going to let you answer,but let me add another question.
Not another question, but we'llget to see this now in real
time with harry potter oh, true,true, and I feel like you're
just going.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Like I said harry potter, you said star wars, so
not really fancy, it's likefancy sci-fi, but, um, I dropped
the mandalorian, like afterseason two, and I haven't seen
andor yet.
So, like what would your answerbe?
Yeah, given the fact that wehave star wars, movies, and, and
, or like, is it differentbecause andor is just so
different from the rest of theuniverse?
Or like, do you think it's aspecial case and it doesn't

(36:32):
really apply to this question?
Or?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
well, I think, I think harry potter's I guess
it's it'll be more scrutinizedbecause they're just retelling
the story.
So, like with the mand,mandalorian and Andor, they're
telling different stories, truetrue.
Or Lord of the Rings, a show.
They're telling a differentstory.
They're not retelling the storyof the movies.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
So I think there'll be a microscope under Harry
Potter.
For me, I think a show, if doneright, provides more room for
the subplots and the characterarcs for people to grow and
breathe.
In a movie you just have two tothree hours and you have to cut
a lot of major plot lines.
I guess they're claiming fromHarry Potter they want to add to

(37:20):
those.
I think my daughter was tellingme why are they going to do
that?
I said, well, one money and two.
If she really wants her visionout there, you can really go in
deep into the first book.
I don't know how big is thefirst book and I don't know how
much more they can get out of itthat you're going to see on
screen that you didn't see inthe movies.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I don't know either.
I I mean for Harry Potter.
I think that, like it will kindof be the proof of this answer.
Do you know what I mean?
As you said, but like the firstbook is so it's short, doesn't
need like a whole season of ashow, you know what I mean,
doesn't need more than a coupleof hours that the movie provided

(37:58):
.
Like the first movie wasperfect, it was, it did justice
to the book.
They just, if I can remembercorrectly, they just edited a
few things that are just fineedits.
It's hard to generalize becauseit depends on the story.
With Game of Thrones, if it wasa movie, I don't think it maybe
would have worked because,obviously because a lot more

(38:18):
happens in Game of Thrones thanin books like Harry Potter or, I
guess, even like I think, theonly way.
The rings.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
No, I think game of thrones would have could have
worked as a movie, but it wouldhave had to have been a trilogy
and three hours plus yeah, andeven so they would have had to
crop out so much of what makesgame of thrones game of thrones.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think you know, like, like ned stark's death
wouldn't have had any impact ifit was in a movie.
Like we spent a whole like 10hours, like nine hours, with
that guy and then he just getsbeheaded.
Do you know that it's not thesame if we just spent like an
hour or two with him, and thenit's like oh well, that would
have.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I think that that would have been in part three,
so that would have been like thelast hour of the last film and
you know, people would have beenpissed.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh, yeah no, it wouldn't have worked as a movie.
So it depends, I think, on whatthe the project is.
And also, I just want to saysomething that, like another
case of this happening is percyjackson.
I started the percy jacksonbooks.
I haven't finished them yet andI think that with percy jackson
, even though it's like a kid'sbook it's a short book the show

(39:27):
is much better than the movie,because the show kind of takes
its time for you to to likeappreciate every little detail
that's in the story.
So, uh, I guess it just dependson, like, the actual story
versus how long it's been yeah,so last question from Grant.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Thank you, Grant, from sending all these questions
.
He asked.
I'm currently reading theEragon books.
Have you read them or seen thefilm?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I think I have the book and I maybe saw the movie
when it came out Like I think itcame out like 2000,.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
The early 2000s.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah.
So almost 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Well, yeah, I think I maybe saw the movie when it
came out.
I was like eight years old, um,but I remember seeing the books
every.
I remember a friend of minereally liking it, so I have some
recollection of it, but not alot.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'm not sure if I watched the movie or not, and I
don't think I love the books aswell yeah, I just remember like
seeing a trailer and it's aboutsome kids who find, like a
dragon egg and something likethat, there's an evil king.
I don't know the story, I justremember that.
That was pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
So I have not read the books or seen the movie well
, uh, that answers your questiongrant, but I know that has to
do with dragons, so if you thinkthat's me and so anyone like it
, then let us know.
We've got a couple of otherquestions from another instagram
friend of ours, shan at fromforger, and one of her questions
made me laugh.
She said are there any plans tomeet up in person one day, you
two?

(40:57):
Uh, I hope, so hope.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
It would have to be you coming over here.
I don't know.
You've actually made a fewtrips to the States since we've
been doing this podcast, butit's always far away.
So you're like in the EastCoast or you're like in LA.
I remember you in LA recentlyI'm not recently, but this year.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Last year, last year.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Last year, ok, were you somewhere.
Maybe you this year, last year,last year, yeah, last year?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
okay, were you somewhere?
Maybe you know you're in theeast coast somewhere yeah, yeah,
I was in boston, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
So I think last year you were in los angeles, which
is like six and a half hoursfrom me, but that weekend it was
already had stuff I had to doand I could have done that.
I could have just driven overthere if I had three those three
days.
So next time you're going toplan to come to LA, just ask me
if I'm free or not.
I'll make sure I'm free.
We could do that Definitely.

(41:49):
But one day maybe, who knows,I'll fly across the world and
just knock on your door.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, please, Please, why not Like?
I think it's really cool.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So if everyone comes to Bahrain, you can come at any
time, of course Not in thesummer, because I don't want to
leave the summer.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Here is 110 degrees.
I don't want to go somewhereelse where it's that hot.
Yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
So, other than that, shan asked us some pretty deep
questions about our podcast.
She says what is your biggestchallenge being a podcast host?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, For me personally, learning how to
figure out time management.
You know, because sometimes wetry to schedule all our
recordings and then we go well,I can't do it now, I can't do it
.
Figure out a way, how to be moreconsistent as somebody who's

(42:46):
doing podcasting and you'retrying to figure out, okay, what
would the audience want tolisten to?
What would would they want tolisten to this?
What should we do?
Uh, should, okay.
Well, that's going to take toomuch time.
Uh, like, you're trying tofigure out something to grow
your podcast and sometimes it'smentally taxing because you're
thinking about audience,audience growth, and sometimes

(43:07):
I'll look at our stuff and I go,man, I wish we could do this.
I wish we could do that, I wishwe had time to just be online
all day long and just talk about, okay, you know, every little
news bit that comes out.
Like, I can't do that.
There's some creators who can,who you know, they just post a
video every five minutes aboutevery little topic, and great

(43:28):
for them, but I just don't, likeI said, with time management we
can't do that.
But I think we're doing okaywhen it comes to these.
Couple past months has been alittle challenging when it comes
to uploading episodes, becausewe've been a little busier.
Like last year, we were justpumping out episode a week
because we were doing all theHouse of the Dragon and then

(43:49):
House of the Dragon season two.
I think we did like threemonths straight of every week
recording and that was verytiring and I think us doing
every two weeks now postingevery two weeks it's a little
more mellow now that we're notin a rush to put out episodes I
think, yeah, the time managementthing is definitely like it's

(44:12):
been a challenge, since we'vewe're we live in opposite sides
of the world.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Um, I think I also had to learn how to kind of
improve my conversational skillsmaybe a little bit more,
because I I'm like, veryintroverted, so when I I talk to
you or when we have a guest,it's like I kind of have to be
super aware and make sure, likeyou know what I mean.
Like it's like an introvertthat's just dealing with with

(44:40):
the fact that she's hosting apodcast.
So that's what I had to.
That was a bit of a challengeas well.
And also, I think maybe I don'twant to go too deep after this
question, but for a while I kindof felt like, though I was a
big fan of the show and I am abig fan of the show, I felt a
bit of like an imposter syndromehosting this podcast because I

(45:04):
didn't finish reading the booksand I still didn't finish
reading the books.
So that's something that Istruggle with too.
I'm like, uh, am I just, likeyou know, like speaking nonsense
sometimes and I don't know whatI'm talking about?
But I try my best and hopefullythis will go away once I'm done
with the books, which hopefully, hopefully, hopefully isn't too
far in the future, since Ialready read the first couple

(45:25):
chapters of book four.
Yeah, it's just that, and letme move on to the next question
before it gets too deep, becauseSean also said something else
that's related to this, and shesaid what have you learned about
yourself since starting thispodcast?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I can answer that, as I think about the first podcast
I started, I never in mywildest dreams thought I would
host a podcast because I wasalways afraid of speaking in
public.
And I go, I'm not speaking inpublic, I'm speaking to the
public but I'm not speaking infront of them.
So a lot of radio hosts who areawful public speakers, they're

(45:59):
like I don't like to talk to thepublic in front of them, I'm
behind the mic and I don't seeanybody In front of them.
I'm behind the mic and I don'tsee anybody.
And I think this is a hugedifference with me is that I
never realized that theconfidence in recording a
podcast and saying what I think,and now that I've been a guest
on a few podcasts, I thinkhaving confidence in my ability

(46:21):
to talk onto the mic issomething that I've, I guess,
proud that I'm doing and learnedthat I could do.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
For me it's not so different as well.
I mentioned I'm an introvert,so I was really it was really
daunting to me to host a podcastand have people listen to my
voice when I can barely listento my voice and they would like.
You know I'm speaking andthey're listening.
Like you know I'm speaking andthey're listening.
And it's freaked me out becausesometimes, when I I always

(46:49):
considered posting online likewhether it's my reviews or
anything I always considered ityou know, I'm going to speak
into the void and I'm going toconsider it that no one is
actually going to listen to meand when I'm writing, it doesn't
actually feel like like it's me, it's my words.
I feel like I am'm just I'mmyself, whether I'm writing or

(47:09):
I'm speaking, and I'm maybe abetter writer than I am a
speaker.
So that's why I felt morecomfortable in that medium even
people engaged with the contentbut because I feel less
comfortable speaking.
It was really daunting for meand it was like a learning curve
kind of just getting over that.
Even though I I have thisattitude, still I'm like I'm
gonna pretend like I waslistening to this podcast.

(47:30):
I like it still haunts me, likeseeing the buzzsprouts that you
know, and all of our listeners,sometimes we've been like, oh
wait, people are actuallylistening.
I don't know.
It freaks me out still.
Yeah, um, but and I remember,like you know, when the first
podcast I ever recorded with youand under the spotlight, like
you saw how nervous I was and Iwas panicking beforehand, of
course, after recording I waslike out of my mind yeah, I was,

(47:52):
I was so, so worried and scared, um, but like now it's better.
It's just that it's the kind oflike it was really outside my
comfort zone, but now not asmuch.
You know what I mean.
So I think actually I changed alot, I think, anyways all right
, let's go on to.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
We have actually a lot of questions left here, uh,
so I'm going to start with twofrom travel enthusiasts, who
sends us a lot of questions.
His first question is uh, whoin the cast other than your
favorite characters would youlike to have dinner with?
And and I think he I'm assuminghe's saying your favorite
characters in Daenerys andTyrion.
So, other than Emilia Clarkeand Peter Dinklage, who would

(48:32):
you have dinner with?

Speaker 1 (48:34):
So so he means the actors, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, just the actors .

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I think I choose Sophie Turner.
She's close to my age, maisieTurner.
Maisie Williams, who plays Arya, is closer to my age, but I
think I just choose sophieturner because I don't know like
I feel like she's the kind ofextroverted friend that will
help you out of your shell alittle bit.

(48:58):
I think that's kind of what'slike I, I need, like I, I love
her energy.
So yeah I would say SophieTurner.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to say believe it or not.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
You're going to say a media crack because you can.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
No, no, no, no no, no , no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
no no, no, no no and I go.
I think he's close to my ageand I think we have a lot of
stuff to talk about, and withhaving dinner with Pedro, he'll

(49:33):
probably have Oscar Isaac theretoo.
So you know, they're reallygood friends.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Then I'm going to say then Sophie Turner is going to
come with Maisie Williams, sincethey're close friends as well.
So let's talk girls.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
No, I, yeah, I think it would be a great, great
dinner to me and Pedro justtalking.
His next question is if I wentthrough your Spotify playlist,
what kind of music would I find?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Okay, I can give a very quick answer A lot of
Taylor Swift, a lot of BTS andSeventeen and other K-pop bands
and Hamilton, other Broadway andfilm soundtracks, and that's it
.
That's literally it.
What about you?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Actually, I have pretty much every genre in my
playlist.
I have a lot of playlists, butthe only genre that's not really
.
I have a couple songs that I'mnot a big fan of, and it's just
because I didn't grow up with itas country music.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I think I have a couple songs of some artists
there, but you know, mostly,probably like 80% of my music is
the music I grew up with thesalsa music and merengue and all
that.
So it's a lot of that, lot ofthat out there.
And then I also have like r b,I have hip-hop, I have classical
music, I have 80s, I have allthe mexican music too.

(50:56):
So it's like a vast variety.
So if I put a shuffle, you'll.
You'll hear a, you'll hear a uhsong from like the little
mermaid, and then the next onewill be like Eminem.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's just I love that .
I love that.
I have that mixed too.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I have it's a mermaid and I have Eminem, so I have
that mixed too, and then andthen you'll go to like a country
, or then you'll go back to adisco song from the seventies
and then go back to like abeauty and the bass song.
It's just a vast variety ofpeople may like.
What playlist is that?
Well, I don't know, I just liketo listen to all kinds of music
.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, my playlist has a good mix too.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Okay, I have a question here from Jace RK6.
He asks excluding season eight.
This is a thinker and Iprobably should have sent this
to you.
Excluding season 8, this is athinker and I probably should
have sent this to you.
Excluding season 8 whatstoryline or storylines would
you delete from the show?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I am not that informed about it yet because I
haven't gotten to that part inthe books yet, but you've told
me about it and I feel like I'mstealing your answer if I say
this, so I'm gonna.
If I do, I'm sorry, but it'sprobably like the doran plot.
That's the main thing that cameto mind for me.
That's the first thing, because, like it seems really

(52:15):
interesting and it's such awaste what we got on the show,
like even someone that's onlyfamiliar with what's happened,
like from a distance, like Ihaven't read that part yet, so,
uh, but even just knowing aboutit makes me feel like, um, like
what we got was a bitunderwhelming, so I'd say that,
um, I guess yeah, I'm, I have alot to pick from.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I'm just gonna pick one and I'm I'm a little
surprised you didn't say thisI'm gonna pick the whole, the
whole.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Uh, little finger of taking sansa to the boltons oh
yeah, oh yeah, oh my god, yeah,yeah, I'm sorry uh, I don't
that's what we.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
We could have gotten the same thing with her not
being there john still wouldhave wanted to fight for his
home and it still would havebeen the same.
I don't understand why weneeded that extra bit of torture
.
Like we, she already gonethrough so much, why we adding
more trauma to this character.

(53:13):
That's, that's the one, uh,obvious season eight.
We could just probably say thewhole season, but we don't want
to go through that and that'sprobably a good topic for us in
the future.
What storylines would youdelete from the show?
Yeah, okay, let's.
Uh.
We're gonna finish up thisspecial episode of our two year
anniversary with five questionsthat was sent by my two kids.

(53:34):
They're not kids anymore.
The one is 23.
The other is 19.
And this is from my son who, uh, I first started watching game
of thrones within, I think, 2017.
Think season seven hadn't come.
Thrones within, I think, 2017.
I think season seven hadn'tcome out yet, I think when he
turned 16, I go, you know what?
I think he's ready to watchGame of Thrones and the only

(53:55):
thing I did was I would fastforward through the you know,
sexy parts.
I would say but other than that,like he would watch and I think
, yeah, yeah.
So only six seasons were up atthe time, so he got to watch
seven and eight live, like witheverybody else, and I sent you
that video of him reacting tothe red wedding yeah so his

(54:16):
question was which death in theshow was the hardest for you to
accept?
Rob stark for me.
He loved rob so much.
I'm surprised you didn't sayDaenerys Right off.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I mean, the reason I didn't say Daenerys is just
because I got angry about it,but I didn't like it made me.
I guess it's a valid answerbecause I was furious that Dany,
you know, had that.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And it's not that she died, it's just the way she
it's the way, the way ithappened.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, it wasn't epic, or it wasn't like no, oh, wow,
that's.
That's so not amazing, but wow,that makes sense yeah, it was
like what yeah, so yeah, it hasto be, I guess, danny for that
reason, because it made mefurious and the when, when he
said like get over, I, I thoughtof it as like being sad.

(55:11):
So my mind went to my reactionwith to the red wedding, um, but
yeah, I guess I have to say thedanny as well.
Danny, it was like rage.
And then with um with rob, itwas like sadness, like it was a
very brutal thing and like sadthing and so graphic.
Yeah, it was.
So I'm like with danny, youcould kind of tell that was

(55:32):
going in that direction and Iknew that rob was gonna die too,
but I didn't know how.
That's what made me so sad, um,so yeah, I would say both of
them.
I'm gonna say rob too no, I'm.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I'm going to say Ned Stark.
Okay, I didn't watch this firstseason.
I read the first book.
That one was unbelievable to mebecause I didn't think for a
million years he would kill offone of the main people In my
head.
I'm thinking, okay, something'sgoing to happen, he's going to
be saved, he's going to be sentto the wall.

(56:05):
Something magical is going tohappen.
And you know it didn't.
So I had to realize what'sgoing on.
And after reading you know morechapters after that and just
the, the, all the events thathappened, all the ramification
of that's death.
I am still couldn't accept likehe really killed this guy he
really yeah he really killed himoff I had a similar reaction

(56:29):
where I would.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I wasn't denied and I was just like so, so wait, how
is he coming back?
Like what was that?
Was that like a dream, you know?
And like what's what's happened?
And then my brother was justlike, oh, just watch the finale,
because he was going offsomething too and I was watching
it and I was like what do youmean?
He's actually dead.
I was so shocked.
But I don't think it was thesame harrowing experience that

(56:53):
it was with Rob and Danny, thatsame depth With Ned.
I was just in denial.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, okay, the next three questions were submitted
by my daughter.
She started watching Game ofThrones with with me, I think a
couple years ago now.
She was 17.
She's like I want to watch.
You know, she said my.
You know she says andres.
You know he started watching itat the same age.
I need to watch it too.
I'm like you're right, you know, not gonna say anything.

(57:20):
So we started watching.
Uh, we watched season one andtwo and then season three.
She got upset because somebodyspoiled the Red Wedding for her.
Oh, and her first question waswhat was the worst spoiler you
got revealed to you beforewatching an episode?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
and she's like I already know what happens.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I don't want to watch anymore.
A lot of more stuff happensafter that.
You don't have to stop watchingthe show.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, um, I was on the same page as her.
I was, I had, I knew what'srobin's death, um, so I was very
upset about it and and like madabout it.
Before it happened I didn'tknow how it was it would happen,
I just knew that was coming.
But I think the worst spoilerthat I got was I don't know why,
I said this story in thepodcast before, but during

(58:09):
season eight, a couple of daysor like a week before the finale
or something, I got this dmfrom this random girl, I don't
know her she I don't know if shefollows me or not but then she
just said, um, bran becomes theking.
I don't know if she saidsomething, something else like,
but she told me Bran becomes theking, something, something.

(58:29):
I read all the leaks, uh, like,like, basically in your face,
something like that.
And when I saw it, like I Icouldn't believe my eyes.
I was like what she's saying?
And then I deleted this and Igot so mad and I I got so
affected.
I was like you know what, evenif it's true, if it's it's not
true, like it's, like it's goodto be someone messing with me.
And then, when it's happened, Iwas like I hate that someone

(58:51):
took away what could have been100% authentic reaction from me
and because she did it onpurpose, she just wanted to ruin
the day for it.
Like she wants to ruin it forme for no reason I have no, but
she knew me, so I remember lotsof people like also when I said
this on my stories.
At that time, they were reallyangry on my behalf as well,

(59:12):
which I appreciated, because howcould you be that like, how
could you, how could you do that?
You know what I mean.
Like you know that I'm a huge,huge fan of the show, and if you
just want to ruin something forsomeone, why you To ruin
something for someone?
Why you know?
So that was, I think, the worstexperience that I had with
someone, like with spoilers.
So I still don't forgive herand I hope that whatever show,
any show that she watches, Ihope it's spoiled for her.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, for me I don't think I had anything spoiled.
You know, before all theseasons I read the book, and
then season six, through eightseasons I read the book and then
season six to eight, I think Imade sure to watch the shows
right away on sundays.
You can't trust the internetnowadays if I don't watch a show
.
I don't even go online yeahthat's why I watch the show,

(59:58):
because I mean it'sinstantaneously.
You see videos of people saying, oh, blah, blah, blah died.
Oh, did you like this part?
But I'm like bro it hasn't beenfive minutes since the show
finished airing.
Uh, so I can't really say that Igot spoiled for anything.
Uh, the one thing I think I gotspoiled for house of the dragon

(01:00:18):
, but I gotta look through whatit was um for season two, which
I knew was going to happen, butstill, you want to see it
firsthand, you don't want to betold um okay.
So her next question is in youropinion, which actor's
performance was the mostunderrated?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
slash slash deserved more recognition in the in game
of thrones oh, I mean I'd sayamelia clark because I have to
and because I love her and Idon't think that it's still like
she.
Like she, obviously there'smore recognition and I don't
think that she won an award forit, like that's all right.
So I would say amelia clark andlena heady.

(01:00:58):
I think that they both likelena heady definitely deserves
more recognition for herperformances.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Cersei, I think lena, yeah, lena Hedy.
I think we're all in agreementall the fandom that she gave the
best one of the well top fivethree performances of the show.
So I don't think she'sunderappreciated or underrated,
but she does deserve morerecognition that she didn't get.

(01:01:26):
I don't even think she was maybenominated a few times, but the
fact that she didn't get, I meanshe, I don't even think she was
maybe nominated a few times,but the fact that she didn't win
anything, uh is really.
I mean, for the first fewseasons, the last two seasons,
it was pretty much her lookingout the window drinking wine.
Yeah well, she did masterfully,by the way, but still it's kind
of got boring, uh.
So I'm going to say her, andobviously you know you have um

(01:01:49):
diana riggs with lena lady ohyeah, but everybody gives her
her flowers.
I mean she's not underrated, oryou know yeah, I always
recommend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
I think I said I.
Yeah, I think I said lena, hejust because of, like the, the,
she didn't get any awards for aperformance that's them at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
We all recognize her I think, uh, peter dinklage is
the only actor who got an award,an emmy or any other roles.
I'm also going to add um,charles dance I his portrayal of
tywin lannister's I, I, youknow, you know, you know, I.

(01:02:26):
I'm tired of using the wordgreat and incredible and
stunning.
I mean, we just covered thatlast scene of episode five of
season three, which it's just,he's Tywin.
It's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
He is Tywin.
Yeah, I think actually I'mgoing to say that someone is a
bit underrated.
I would say it might be NicolaeCoster-Waldau, because, see, we
immediately run to praise theother dancers and not him.
And I think in the last episodewe saw, like how he could

(01:03:00):
deliver a very strongperformance, because in that
bath scene that he had withBrienne, like I said that I'm
glad that we got that scene andwe got to see that from him,
from the actor, rather than itbeing a flashback, because it
gets to us more to see thisJaime that we know being so like
broken yeah so he, he deliveredthat exceptionally, I think.

(01:03:21):
So I would consider him to beunderrated, to be honest, like
within the fandom as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Okay.
Her last question is was thereany parts of the series that you
were able to predict thestoryline of?
This is probably talking aboutseason seven and eight, which
they reared from the books andthey were just doing whole new
show material and not relying onGeorge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I don't remember which episode this was, because
when Game of Thrones was airingweek to week, I would be active
on Instagram sharing my thoughts, my predictions for each
episode, and I forgot whichepisode it was.
I think it was in season 8?
I'm not sure, but I kept mypredictions for the episode, not
even 24 hours before theepisode.

(01:04:03):
It was extremely accurate, tony.
Every single thing that I wrotehappened in that episode.
I before the episode.
It was extremely accurate, tony, like every single thing that I
wrote happened in that episode.
I forgot which one it was and Iremember someone commenting
like how on earth did you, didyou get that the exact episode?
And I was like, how did I?
Did I do it?
I don't know, but I did it.
So it's, I think, one of theseason eight episodes.

(01:04:25):
Maybe season eight episode two,um, or one like one.
One of the season eightepisodes.
Maybe season eight episode two,um, or one like one of the
early season eight episodes.
I think I don't think it wasseason seven.
So maybe like jamie leavingcersei, but I predicted that,
but I didn't predict him goingback to her, you know.
So yeah, I can't.
That's about you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I don't think I can remember anything Me predicting
or knowing the story.
I guess I can remember onething it's when the Night King
becomes the Pole Vaulter and hethrows, he kills.
Who was it Viserion?
He kills.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yeah, viserion yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
And he becomes an ice dragon.
I go well, there's how they'regoing to destroy the wall, and I
kind of said that right afteryou see him.
You know, revived at the waterwhen they got the chains from
the in the hardware store orwherever they got those chains
from.
So that's the one thing I canthink of right now, of saying,

(01:05:24):
well, they're going to use himto.
You know, bring the wall down.
That's going to be it for thisspecial, special episode of our
two-year anniversary.
Minua, how do you feel thatwe're going into our third year?
What do you want to see?
What do you want us to?
What do you see in the future?
Do you see us, uh, hosting ared carpet?

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
maybe, uh, I see us talking to the cast, talking to
george one day, and I had thisnightmare once of like george
asking me so I'm gonna winner,you're gonna finish the book.
So I, I see that's happening.
Either that's happening I'vebeen crying or him telling me
like, oh, you're sorry if I onlyfinished the book.
So I'm like, yeah, so, uh, Isee that's happening.

(01:06:10):
I see, um, like I see uspanicking a lot in our maybe
third slash, fourth year, um,and like kind of going crazy
over like the seven kingdoms andhouse of the dragon, season
three.
I think both of those thingswill kind of just put us in a
whirlwind, if that makes sense,it'll keep us busy, it'll keep

(01:06:32):
us in a very thronesy state ofmind and we're going to be
panicking about when to schedule, when to record.
So I'm excited for year threeand four of the podcast and more
.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
What about you?
Year three, uh, and four of thepodcast, and more hopefully,
yeah, think of.
If you think about the schedulefor house of the dragon, 2026
is season three.
You know they're gonna take two, at least two years for season
four, so that's already 2028,and you have the three seasons
of, uh, night of the sevenkingdoms, and I don't know if
they're going to keep doingevery two years.
I hope not.

(01:07:13):
So we're talking about at leastfive more years of expecting new
material from this world, andthen they also have all these
other projects they're workingon.
So I don't even know whenthat's going to come out,
hopefully in the future.
So we're going to have endlessthings to talk about in this
world, not just going back andrevisiting um, old shows, which
I love to do, by the way.
Revisiting the episodes, goingdeep into them, like really, uh,

(01:07:35):
analyzing them and dissectingeach episode uh makes me
appreciate the show more, Ithink.
And, uh, like this season threeso far has been so good, and I
might be changing my answerabout which season is my
favorite once we get to the endof this and then, uh, we're
probably gonna wait until seasonfour, maybe until next year,

(01:07:57):
because we want to do.
We don't want to run out.
You know what I mean.
Like do all eight seasons.
Right away.
We'll really focus on the worldand beyond and I'm excited for
that.
For our next episode we'regoing to be doing season three,
episode six, the Climb.
That's going to be an excitingepisode to cover year

(01:08:26):
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