Game of Thrones: S3 | EP1 "Valar Dohaeris" - Dancing with Dragons

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I Need to get back to the wall.
It's a long March, we knowwhat's out there.
We have to make it, have towarn them, but before winter's
done, everyone you've ever knownwill be dead.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Welcome everyone to the 61st episode of Dancing with
Dragons, the podcast where wedive deep into the world of A
Song of Ice and Fire.
Of Dancing with Dragons, thepodcast where we dive deep into
the world of A Song of Ice andFire and its shows Game of
Thrones, house of the Dragon and, in a few months, the Night of
the Seven Kingdoms.
Today, minhwa and I are kickingoff season three with a
thrilling premiere ValarDohaeris.
This episode is a whirlwind ofreunions, new alliances and some

(00:59):
of the most pivotal momentsthat shaped the course of the
season.
From Jon Snow's journey beyondthe wall to the political games
being played in King's Landing,there's no shortage of action
and intrigue.
So grab your swords, pour aglass of wine and let's break
down all the key moments fromthis explosive return to
Westeros.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I love how you emphasize how this is such an
important episode for Game ofThrones and how it shapes
everything, because that wasliterally my exact thoughts
watching it.
I had so much fun seeing orwatching this premiere unfold
and like with each scene I justkept saying this is it?
Like this is where everythingchanges.
It wasn't like there's a beforeseason three and an after
season three, like how there waslike a with an audience kind of

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meter, how there was like abefore Ned Stark's death and
after Ned Stark's death.
I feel like that was just forus, the audience.
Here's for the characters, thatmakes sense.
Like this is their, theirturning points.
Do you know what I mean?
Like it wasn't really ned, itwas us for ned, but here it's
for the characters, like this iswhere everything changes for
them.
I had so much fun watching itand a part of me which is that
we recorded um, like right afterI watched it, because when I

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watched it I was just in afull-on sassy mood and my notes
are in all caps, without anyvery thorough analysis, I have
to admit because I was just inthat type of mood when I watched
it, which just showed also howmuch fun I had with it like a
different type of fun.
Hopefully those sassy funnythoughts come back to me while
we're recording, because I didhave fun, as I said.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So I did use my brand new surround sound watching
this with the.
Blu-ray, so it sounded reallynice.
Before we actually begin theshow, minwan and I would like to
take just a moment to talkabout an unfortunate passing of
one of our listeners.
Now you heard us say her namemany, many, many times the past

(02:44):
year and a half Cosette Sweetman, also known as Sweetmama07,
passed away on January 9th 2025.
She is survived by her husbandand her son.
Let me just say that her nameis Cosette, but she went by Cozy
.
She was actually our firstnon-Filmstagram friend, slash
family member, who DM'd us andsaid that she loved the podcast,

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which is something that youknow.
We're recording here and we'retalking to each other.
We don't realize that peopleout there are listening.
Let me just read the firstmessage she sent us back in
early 2023 when we first started, because it really like gave us
a boost in confidence when wewere just starting and it really

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warmed.
I mean, it almost made me tearyeyed, but here it goes.
This is what she said.
This is by far my favoritepodcast currently.
I love it.
It's my favorite show, and tohear fresh perspectives as I,
too, rewatch and reread it withyou guys is so much fun.
Thanks for you and theabracadabra and the banter
between you guys.

(03:48):
I'm a firm believer that ifsomeone makes you smile, you
should let them know how muchthey are appreciated.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
That was such a heartwarming first message to
receive.
I completely forgot that.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Since I manage the IG page.
She will send messages or DM usall the time and I can't tell
you how many deep and intriguingconversations we had about just
the overall Song of Ice andFire and she was truly a super
fan of the shows and the booksand she was like you guys should
talk about it.
I always felt good because shewould give us a weekly, weekly

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not like review.
But she's like I love this andyou know you guys are like, and
she's talking about every singlething we're talking about.
And a few months ago I noticedthat she wasn't online and which
was weird, because she wouldsend messages and she posted
quite a bit on our stories andshe always shared our stuff.

(04:46):
It was never failing, always,yeah, every single episode.
She's sharing every single reel.
So I noticed I said, well,maybe she's taking a break from
social media and then after amonth I go, wait a minute.
So I kind of looked into herpage and then I saw that her
husband was like a tattoo artistand had his own page.

(05:07):
So I sent him a message and Isaid, hey, um, we're just want
to make sure everything's okay.
We noticed that she's notposting and, uh, he did send
back a message saying thank youfor your concern and she's fine.
I know it's something aboutfamily.
So I didn't pry, I just wantedto, you know, kind of make sure
that she was fine.
So then back in December andJanuary, I noticed again that

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she wasn't posting and so I said, well, maybe something with the
family.
Then he messaged me saying, hey, I don't know who I'm talking
to Like is it Tony or Minwa?
Can you send me a message?
So when I went to his page Isaw the GoFundMe thing and when
I clicked it my heart justcompletely sank and saw that it

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was because she passed away andit just kind of felt like I
never met her in person.
But the way we spoke and talkedit was like I lost a member of
my family.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
I know I mean.
So it's just I know.
I know I know I felt that waytoo, because you know you said
that she was messaging youmainly through, like on the
Dancing with Dragons Instagrampage, so she knew that that was
you, so she would send me stuff,too, on my account and she
would always like respond to mystories, whether they were Game
of Thrones or like a song, viceand fire related or not.
Like she would.
Just she was so curious andwanting to know more about

(06:28):
everything that I posted, evenif it had no relation to like
anything that she was interestedin.
Like she she wanted to find outmore about, like if I would
post something related to myculture or just anything as,
like she would just always sparkup these very interesting
conversations with me and youknow I appreciated that there
was someone that I could talk toabout those things as well,

(06:49):
that she, that's, appreciatedwhat I was posting and, uh, you
know that led to conversationstoo, and on dms, and that's why,
like, my heart sank because youbroke the news to me.
You sent me a text telling melike what you just uh told our
listeners and my heart sank whenwhen you said that.
I remember just being soshocked and so sad and I

(07:09):
remember us discussing, like herbeing inactive on instagram so
I had already felt a bit, Iguess, like cautious or weird,
thinking like oh where is she,you know, like I missed her on
instagram and yeah you know, Ireally, really miss her.
So yeah, it's such a sad lossand like her absence is really
felt.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It was felt like months ago yeah, she was like a
supporter, a genuine supporter,of everybody, so many people
that we know on filmstagram oror podcast.
She's she listened to.
You know the fellowship of themic.
She loved Shan's podcast Onbehalf of us.
We just want to dedicate therest of all our shows we ever

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record to her.
And you know, sweet mama, mayyou rest in peace.
So let's begin with our reviewof Vala Dohaeris.
Let me tell you one thingreally quick, manuel the last
time we discussed or reviewed anepisode of Game of Thrones was
way back in December of 2023, soit feels like a long time.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I can't believe that.
I cannot believe it's been thatlong we've been promoting the
season 3.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I remember re-listening to a few episodes
of last year and I said, oh,season 3 is coming soon and we
talked about that and we gotcaught up with those pesky
targaryens from house of thedragon.
So we kind of pretty much thebulk of our episodes of last
year was dedicated to to that.
And actually, you know,speaking of targaryens, did you

(08:40):
see the latest news about thespinoffs?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I did.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
The spinoffs that will be about the yellowed hair
beeps, and I'm quoting RobertBaratheon when he said that.
So there was an article onDeadline talking about this big
time HBO executive and she hadsome quotes about not just about
the new spinoffs but also abouta little preview of Duncan Egg.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
So Francesca Orsi, the EVP and head of drama at HBO
, talked about Duncan Egg, firstsaying you're going to be so
impressed by Peter Clafly andDexter Saul Ansell as Duncan Egg
, the two deeds, the source ofbrotherhood, the paternal nature
between Duncan, this young man,so much so that we're already
planning on how do we build thisfor the three seasons in total.
We're not picking it upofficially, but it's looking

(09:29):
very good.
We're looking at it as aholistic piece seasons two and
three, because there's threenovellas.
Before I move on to the nextquote, I don't know what to make
of this when she says it's aholistic piece and that they
don't know whether they're notpicking it up officially.
Like that, they don't knowwhether they're not picking it
up officially.
Like that feels.
That's unclear.
We know that there's going tobe three seasons.
What do you?
What do you mean?
Just feels, like, like feelslike nothing.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Sorry, she's the head of drama.
She wants to build some dramathere and say, oh we might not
pick it up oh that's the lastthing we need we'll wait for the
ratings

Speaker 3 (10:03):
oh please, like, I hope not.
Like you can't say that's goingto be so exciting and then
being like, but we don't know,like that just shows that you're
not confident, Miss Head ofDrama.
Anyways, I'm going to be sassy,my sassy Minwa from the rewatch
is making an appearance already, anyways.
So she also gives a quote aboutthe spinoff that you mentioned,
saying we have other spinoffsthat we're working on right now,

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one of which, which I won't getinto, is very promising, and it
is still the targaryen line.
How do we feel about that?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
well, actually I'll tell you something.
I put that story up on our igstories and I put a poll up and
the the options were yes give memore Targaryens or I like a
break from the Targaryenstoryline.
And, believe it or not, we gotover 140 responses to the poll

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and we had 63% that said theywanted more Targaryen storylines
, which I thought was surprising.
I thought it was going to bemore like 50-50 or more towards
let's take a break.
Surprising.
I thought it was going to bemore like 50 50 or more towards
let's take a break.
And it's funny because in thelast episode, or maybe, uh, when
we did dunkin egg, youmentioned that you had some
friends tell you that theywanted to take a break from

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targaryens and kind of have hbobranch out and focus on
non-targaryen houses, which Iwouldn't mind.
A show of westeros even beforethe dragons crossed the narrow
sea, you know, like hundreds andeven thousands of years before
you have.
Before the conquest, you know,was filled with historical
events like the age of heroescoming of the andos and

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something called the battle ofthe six kings, which is really
interesting.
Or they can do like nimeria's10 000 ships.
That has nothing.
You know what I yeah they haveso many options.
But I think what HBO is like oh,those Targaryens, they're
moneymakers.
We need to.
We need to figure out a way tokeep going with them, and I
mentioned that I don't want themto become like a Marvel or Star

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Wars, that they're just doingthe same storyline over and over
and over again.
It's like, okay, we're gonnafocus on another targaryen
family.
Okay, so who's the moron, who'sthe they don't like, who's the?
Who's gonna be the auto hightower?
Who's gonna be the renera?
Here you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Like let's focus on something different.
As you said, it's gonna be likewe've already seen that with
with house, the dragon game ofthrones, where people are like I
think we mentioned this on thepodcast too like oh otto is the
taiwan of the shore, somethinglike that yeah like it's, it's,
and like a laris is varus orwhatever, or his little finger,
and it's like, okay, what if youjust repeat the same like
settings over and over again,like it's gonna get boring.

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You know what I can say I'm abig game of thrones fan, like I.
Just I want to see somethingdifferent, and I'm assuming that
she means um agon's conquest,which I think everyone wants to
see.
But I think it's just going tobe maybe the hardest to get
right.
So that's why I'm a bit likenervous about this, I should say

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because, like there are so manyarguments for how it could work
well, as like an anime or liveaction, but maybe a movie series
or you know, like a long termseries, like it's just there's
just a lot of different waysthat it could work or like not
work.
Like it's going to be a very,very risky project.

(13:20):
So I'm nervous about this,obviously, more than I would
been for for house of the dragonor something like that.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So let's jump into the episode of all on the high
risk.
I love the fact that we startwith this phrase for an episode
title.
The season two finale was ValarMorghulis.
They go hand in hand.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yes, and, just as a reminder, valar Morghulis is the
high Valyrian saying that isoriginating from Braavos and is
used commonly with like thefaceless men.
That's where I've seen.
It's from Jaqen H'ghar, andValar Morghulis is the first
greeting, and it means all menmust die.
And then the answer, which isthe title of this episode, is

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Valar Dohaeris, which is all menmust serve.
I think it's one of the mostmemorable, like quotes from the
show.
Like other than daniel mustalways pay his debts.
Winter is coming, like this is.
This is up there, and it'sreally cool, I have to say.
Interestingly though, um, it'scalled father to hire us, but we
don't see aria.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's all in this episode so the episode aired on
march 31st 2013.
It was written by danielminahan and directed by david
benio and DB Weiss our twofavorite people in the whole
world.
Quickly, the storylines of Arya, bran, rickon, jaime and
Brienne and House Greyjoy do notappear in this episode.

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This episode had scenes thattook its time because we didn't
jam-pack every single characterinto it.
So I liked the part because wehave three to four scenes that
are more than five, six minutes,which is rare in a show.
It's like everything is likeone minute or two.
We do have a couple ofquestions.
Well, actually, one is one is astatement.

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It's from fellowship of theMike Shan.
She just wrote watch party.
She really wants to do a watchparty for when we do season
three.
We need to figure that out,shan.
Somehow we'll do that in thefuture.
The other question is fromqkh187.

(15:21):
He says love your podcast.
What storyline for season threedo you guys like the most?
Well, I'll let you.
I'll let you begin with that.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, there's, there's a lot I was gonna say
like can you just guess whosecharacter it's?
Yeah, yeah, I mean I said see,I mean, can you guess it's uh,
uh he loves the podcast.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
He knows it's, it's his daddy for you.
Uh, yeah, this season it has alot of little storylines.
You know it's the for me.
Yeah, I, I do like the jamieone because we see the change in
him.
We see the real, the real jamieum.
And then you know what?
I can't remember everythingabout season three, to be honest

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.
I know you know we're gonna seerob and eight more episodes.
You know I'm still dreadingthat ouch, uh.
But then you have john and egret.
You know they have their backand forth, you know little
moments and but I think I'mgonna say jamie and, and then
terry and terry, and it's justlike what is it called when

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you're in the water and you'rejust surviving, trying not to
drown?
What is?
That called yeah, like stayingafloat staying afloat this whole
season because he's so paranoid.
And then we get to meet OlennaTyrell.
She kind of throws a wrenchinto everything.
So that's going to be my answer.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I think that Jaime and Olenna are also very good
picks, but I have to pick danny,I have to.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
So yes, I can't wait.
We have, uh, episode four.
It's going to be a big onebecause it's just, oh, it's one
of probably a top five moment ofthe show coming up.
Yeah, uh, okay.
So let's quickly um talk aboutthe beginning, the episode which
we heard in the first audioclip of this episode.
The show begins where left offin season two, finale.

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Sam hears the three blast horns, which means white walkers or
something is out there that'snot human.
Uh, we start with that and allof a sudden we see mormon, which
we haven't seen him in a while,and he just shows up, kind of
gives us a warning about.
You know, we have to hurry upand tell everybody because

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everybody's gonna die yeah whichthey don't show up for another
five seasons, but that's okayyep, yep, that's exactly I was
gonna say.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Like he says something that sounds so scary,
he says something dire like likeyeah, like uh, before winter's
come, everyone you've ever knownwill be dead.
I just kept in my notes, I justwrote like doodled a sad face
and wrote um, this makes youfeel thrilled and excited, but
then you remember winter willcome and go in the span of eight
hours anyway, all right.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
So anyway, actually, why don't we actually start this
review?
Analysis breakdown of ValadoHyrus with your girl Daenerys.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
My girl.
I was happy to start with her.
Yes, let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
We see her rocking that blue outfit on the ship,
the most iconic outfit is theintroduction to the most iconic
costume of Daenerys Targaryen.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Oh, I love it so much scene of Daenerys Targaryen.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh, I love it so much .
Uh, I did notice when theblu-ray, when she, the camera's
facing her and you're facing theoceans behind her, you can see
a little CGI there, like they'renot on a ship.
Um, I, you can see that, but hey, whatever, I'm just looking at
her face.
Uh, we see.
We see the dragons aregradually getting bigger.
The CGI on the dragons lookgood.
So they took the money for thedragons and not the actual.

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So the ship is heading toAstapor and the ship, jorah,
mentions that the dragons aregetting bigger and she replies
not fast enough, she needs anarmy.
And her arrival to Astapor, forme, is the beginning of her
wrestling with her moral compassand her desire for power.
So I think she knows that inorder to reclaim the throne, she

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needs a strong army, and theUnsullied are undeniably
powerful and effective.
However, you know she comes tounderstand that to lead in the
way that reflects her value, shecan't just simply buy and
control people, as they areproperty.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
So I like the fact that we see her struggling with
that seeing her kind of wrestlewith the small dilemma is like
when we actually see danny'scharacter like form, because you
know we've seen her like standup for herself in seasons and
two, but she's been in thoseseasons, I guess, trying her

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best.
She's trying to prove herselfand Jorah tells her something as
well later on.
He says you have a truecharacter when you prove
yourself strong.
I'm just laughing because theonly thing I wrote is shut up,
because I just got so annoyedwith Jorah on the episode and I
wish that I had a mic recordingall those moments with me, just

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like at while I was watching it,because he annoyed me.
Um, and I'm not saying that Iagree with him, I don't, because
I think that she did that's why.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
That's why we need the watch party, so people can
see you say shut up to peopleyes, yes, yes, one day we're
gonna figure out how to do thatwatch party.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
You're gonna see that excitement come through,
hopefully.
Um, but it's true, like I, Ithink that, like she proved that
she was capable of gettingherself here already, like she's
already strong for doing, fordoing what she did and getting
them on a ship, you know,leaving uh carth.
Like she proved herself already, but, um, she's like shaping

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herself more, I guess, in thisseason, and that's why I love it
, because you see who she is,instead of just like oh, some
stronger who just stands up forherself.
You know, like that's kind oflike a an easy way that writers
nowadays like to depict strongwomen it's just they without
really forming them.
Does that make sense?
Like?
yeah I think that this is whenwe see danny really make her own

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decisions and then that informswho she is and how she wants to
live her life and how she wantsto lead.
And we see it with theunstudied decision in this
episode that this is where it'slike really really starts, you
know.
But I love that we actually seeher struggle with like the
morality of it and I think thisis the argument you want to make
by saying that maybe it's notso in line with her character to

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have a slave army.
Is that where you want to go?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
because we had a brief conversation about that
episode before not that she has,because we know that she will
not treat them as that.
Their past and how they werebrought up and trained is
something to look at and go.
Hmm, do I want these types ofpeople?

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Do I want to be associated withthem?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
That's what I was trying to say as well yeah, and
like I like that, we see that,we see that struggle, um.
But I also think that you know,like I don't want to jump to
the future episode, so I shouldjust like pause here and then
leave my thoughts for for thefuture.
But yeah, um, because I'm gonnasay, like when she makes the

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decision, like I'm gonna pause,we're gonna get there.
So, yeah, I just I like that wesee that struggle, because also
shows that like she has theheart.
She's not just this ruthless,mad person that just wants an
army at any cost.
That's not her, and thisepisode is proof of that.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
The fact that she's struggling with that decision.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
That's what I wanted to say.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
She's not twirling her mustache going.
Good Well, that's what I liketo hear.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, good Well, that's what I like to hear?
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
They yank.
You know, for this Unsullied,their final test is that they
yank a newborn from theirmother's arms and kills them,
which is insane.
But let me mention anotherUnsullied training requirement.
I'll say it, I'll just say thatthat wasn't mentioned in the
show.
Say it, I'll just say that thatwasn't mentioned in the show.

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So the recruits raise a babyfor a year before strangling it
to death.
It's so insane.
Also unmentioned is that duringtheir training, the Unsullied
are given a potion to drink,known as the Wine of Courage,
which gradually deadens theirbody's sensitivity to pain.
So in the books it's statedthat only one in three boys
survive the years of training tobecome Ansali, while the TV

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series says that there's onlyone in four boys survive.
Can you imagine that?
Anyway, so we get our firstfirst appearance of Missandei
and she is the translator.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, that's her first appearance.
Oh my God, I don't know why Ididn't clock that.
Didn't we see her towards theend?
No, I don't think we did.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
She's because she's the translator for, and a slave
girl for what's his name.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Oh yes, Krasnick.
So whatever, the bald guy.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, the bald guy.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's her, uh, in in thebook.
She's only 10 years old wow sothey aged her up, thankfully.
Uh, so let's stick with dannyand jorah.
Uh, they have the last scene ofthe episode and then we have
the return of a belovedcharacter that said goodbye in

(24:17):
such a boss way in season one.
A man who was as honorable asEddard Stark, and that is Sir
Berenstain Selmy.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I owe you my life, sir.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
The honor is mine, my queen.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
You know this man, I know him.
He's one of the greatestfighters the Seven Kingdoms has
ever seen and as the LordCommander of Robert Baratheon's
Kingsguard, king Robert, is dead, I've been searching for you,
daenerys Stormborn, to ask yourforgiveness.

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I was sworn to protect yourfamily.
I failed them.
I am Barristan Selmy, king'sGuard to your father.
Allow me to join your Queen'sGuard and I will not fail you

(25:23):
again.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I love when he says the nearest unborn, because you
don't really, you don't reallyhear her being called that.
A quick little tidbit about uh,sell me in the book.
He doesn't reveal his identityto danny right away.
Um, he adopts the alias ArstenWhitebeard, he grows a big white
beard and what he is doing heis.

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He wants to assess Daenerys'character before committing
himself to her.
He doesn't just go and say I'mgoing to serve you, my queen,
and blah, blah, blah.
He kind of stands back helping,is she worthy of my loyalty?
But they can't really do that.
They're like straight away onthe show.
Uh, you know what I mean.
So that's yeah there's no timefor that.

(26:08):
Uh, but actually he, when shesays, um, you saved me is
because they had that little bugcreature attack and he kills it
.
Uh, do you know what that'scalled, that creature?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
No.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I looked it up.
That little creature is calleda manticore.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
That sounds familiar.
Yeah, a manticore's venom isextremely lethal and even a
single sting is usually morethan enough to kill a person.
Extracted manticore venom isone of the most potent poisons
used by the world's assassins.
People coat the poison with theblades of weapons and just with
a single scratch it will killpeople.

(26:50):
I thought that was funny.
I was looking at it like no,it's funny that I found the name
it was.
I was just reading oh, that'sthe name of the bug.
It's funny because you'recreating this world and even the
freaking bugs have a backstory.
It has a whole page of just.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
George takes everything very seriously.
I've been wanting to do anepisode on this but he's also
very specific about the anatomyof the dragons in his world and
how it's so different than theanatomy of fictional other
fictional dragons.
They're all fictional, but youknow what I mean.
Like other dragons, so he's sospecific.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
He has like a very specific vision in his mind and
I I like that he shares his ownwith us all right, so we're
gonna go from your favoritecharacter to mine and we're
gonna go across the sea toking's landing and we have
tyrian, who is paranoid and hejust thinks everybody.
He has his door locked, hedoesn't want nobody to come to
his room.
Cersei visits him and she'slike what do you want?

(27:51):
Because he realizes that youknow it wasn't a rebel who's
trying to kill him, it was.
He knows his sister didsomething to to try to end his
life.
Uh, and it's just funny how, inthis scene, cersei's like
fishing, she's like being nosy,wanting to know what tyrian's
agenda is, because he's meetingwith his father, and she's like

(28:12):
so what are you going to talkabout?
Anything?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
yeah, like this is my , like, my, my observation about
this scene.
It's that it's the first timewe see Cersei like not the first
time we see her acting ingeneral, but towards Tyrion, the
first time that we see her dothat with Tyrion, and it's
actually really funny to see.
Like I mentioned, this, a coupleof times in our podcast about

(28:46):
how Game of Thrones can be likea comedy show at times, because
we once you know thesecharacters so well and you see
things like in hindsight,they're actually really funny.
So I found Cersei here justhilarious because she's like
being fake nice to Tyrion andTyrion's like what are you doing
?
Like I know that you hate me,you know that I hate you.
Why are you fake smiling?

(29:08):
Is it for the guards?
Is it like why?
Why is this going on?
Like I just.
I found it funny.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I found it a bit entertaining, especially to see
Cersei that way, because shecan't act like it's not lina
heady.
Cersei herself I mean linaheady is amazing.
Braun shows up and you see uhsamaran trant, you know
kingsguard, and they kind ofhave a you know what a shoddy
match there.
But what I wanted to mentionabout that is that you see uh
cersei leaving the room and thenyou have brawn there and yes, I
want to mention this too it'sthe funny thing about that it's
the only time in the wholeseries that cersei and braun

(29:48):
appear in the same scene, thereason being uh.
Prior to being cast, elena headyand jerome flynn, who plays
braun, were in a relationshipthat ended on such bad terms
that each had a clause insertedinto their contracts that they
were never to share scenes andmust remain apart on set.

(30:09):
Can you believe that?
Can you imagine not likingsomeone so much?
You're like I don't even wantto see their face.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
I know, every time I remember this drama, I'm like
what could have been like that,that bad.
Like, oh, but like.
When I saw that they were likethey shared the same frame, I
was like, oh my God, like Iforgot that this happened,
because I was so like it was inmy mind that these two never
shared a scene.
Like I forgot that there waseven one where they just walked

(30:37):
past each other.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, it's insane that there was even one where
they just walked past each other.
Yeah, that's insane.
I think we're just going to gostraight into the scene with
tywin and tyrian, because we allknow that tywin is a heartless,
soulless son of a bitch.
But I think in this scene hetook it just to another level.
And what his response totyrian's request or, I guess,

(30:59):
kind of a demand, because hesays it's my right by right I
should be the Lord of CasterlyRock, which is the ancestral
home of the Lannisters.
Anyway, tyrion's response isinsane.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
We'll find you accommodations more suited to
your name and as a reward foryour accomplishments during the
Battle of Blackwater Bay.
And when the time is right, youwill be given a position fit
for your talents so that you canserve your family and protect
our legacy.
And if you serve faithfully,you will be rewarded with a

(31:34):
suitable wife.
And I would let myself beconsumed by maggots before
mocking the family name andmaking you heir to Casterly Rock
.
Why?
Why?
You ask that you, who killedyour mother to come into the
world?
You are an ill-made, spitefullittle creature Full of envy,

(31:59):
lust and low cunning.
Men's laws give you the rightto bear my name and display my
color, since I cannot prove thatyou are not mine, and to teach
me humility that gods havecondemned me to what you waddle
about, wearing that proud lionthat was my father's sigil and
his father's before him.

(32:19):
Proud lion, that was myfather's sigil and his father's
before him.
But neither gods nor men willever compel me to let you turn
Casterly Rock into yourwhorehouse.
Go now Speak.
No more of your rights toCasterly Rock.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Go Spiteful little creature.
That's brutal.
I cannot prove you're not mine,I have to see you, you who
killed your mother.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Are you joking?
Yes, that's.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
And then I have to see you waddle about and you see
, tyrion, he just takes it all.
He knows what can he do?

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I just wanted to say you know how I said.
I was in a sassy type of moodwhen I was watching this.
I was also a bit emotional, soI did get emotional and it was
one of those times where I wasyelling at the screen and when
he says something like I got youas a son so that I will be
taught humility, to teach mehumility.
I wrote and I said well, didyou learn your lesson?

(33:25):
Like he did not.
When Tyrion was born, he was, atleast I guess, supposed to love
him, and it's a mean thing tosay, but you didn't learn
humility and you didn't learncompassion.
You didn't learn how to lovesomeone.
Even the lesson of humility ishas not been learned.
Like nothing has been.
There's no situation in whichtywin, I guess, comes out as the

(33:48):
good guy here, like and he'sjust this horrible person that
would say something like that tohis son.
And I don't know like it soundsweird for me to say this,
because people won't associateit with tywin, but like it's his
hate and it's his resentment,but he's also just like playing
the victim.
Like yeah, like no, you'remaking a victim out of your son.

(34:09):
You're bullying him.
You're bullying is not as anunderstatement as what I'm
trying to say coming across,because I was so riled up
yesterday when I was watchingthe scene.
How could you be that bad of aperson?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I think it's hilarious that he and earlier in
the scene the scene was likefive minutes long, but he mocks
tyrian because he wants to berewarded for his courageous
effort in the battle ofblackwater and tywin has the
nerve to say you think Idemanded a garland of roses

(34:44):
every time I suffered a wound inthe battlefield.
Joffrey made a grand spectacleand you made a grand spectacle
going into the throne room withyour horse so you can be
anointed the hero of the battleyes like hello, that's you being
rewarded and you know what I'msaying?

Speaker 3 (35:06):
like that, that's yeah.
And like they wouldn't do thatwithout an approval from tywin
himself you know him.
So it's like him accepting orlike wanting the, the validation
that he's shaming tyrian forwanting his wet.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Like Ned, you don't, you wouldn't have.
Ned would say I don't want that.
That's a silly.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, exactly, I think.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Robert, maybe would want that, but not like Ned.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Roberts.
Roberts would want like days ofof turn, tourneys and and
parties and stuff like that,Like that's, that's Robert, but
like Robert, but Tywin wants tobe seen as the glorious, the
great, the mighty.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
So you're shaming your son for wanting the exact
same.
Tywin is obsessed with legacyand power.
He sees in Tyrion that hedoesn't fit the mold of what a
Lannister's son should be.
To him, jaime's going to bethere somehow.
Jaime's the golden child whoembodies all the qualities that
Tywin values.
You know, he's strong, he'sgood.

(36:05):
So this monologue ofruthlessness and his emphasis on
power and legacy and status,it's just weird.
And Tyrion's frustration andhis constant struggle, like you
said, for recognition.
But Tyrion's frustration andhis constant struggle, like you
said, for recognition.
And I just think Tyrion's neverfelt any kind of affection from
any family member, anybodyclose to him.

(36:28):
His mother's died.
If his mother had lived shewould have loved Tyrion.
The only one that kind of isJaime at the end.
But I'm sure they weren't likebuddy-buddy growing up.
He probably only got affectionfrom his ladies that he visits.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, and it's not real affection.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's real.
But I mean he's paying foraffection and that's probably
why he goes to them so much.
But yeah, just the outrightcontempt from Taiwan in this
scene is it's incredible, it'sheartbreaking, it's crushing.
But my goodness, can charlesdance act?
Uh, okay, let's go from oneplayer to another and I want to

(37:10):
really talk about marjorie.
She kind of steals the show, inmy opinion, from not only the
episode but from Cersei.
We have a moment where Margaeryand Joffrey are in the little
what are they called?
I don't know what they'recalled, like carriages that
people are-.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Carriage yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It stops and all of a sudden you see Margaery step
out and they're like in thepoorest of poor areas, in the
flea bottom right.
So she ends up visiting anorphan orphanage.
What I wanted to say is ask youabout her being so charitable
is it genuine or is it just herplaying the game?
So here's my take.
So I the marjorie's kindness, Ithink in this instance was

(37:54):
sincere.
When she visits the orphanage,she shows a natural, genuine
compassion for the kids, likeshe takes time, she's
interacting with them, she'slistening to their stories she
talks to one of the ladies fromthe orphanage and the concern
about their well-being.
And I think her interactionswith the small folk reveal her
ability to connect with peopleand she's showing empathy for

(38:15):
their suffering, which is astark, stark contrast to the
cold and calculated behavior of,like, other people.
And so it's kind of like apolitician Right, however, is
Marjorie's kindness in somedegree just crafted political
move.
She understands that showingcharity not only gains the

(38:35):
affection and loyalty of thesmall folk, but also she, she's
kind of positioning herself uh,she's a queen in making right.
She's still not officially thequeen, but she's there like
she's on deck.
She wants to be that symbol ofcompassion and leadership.
And in flea bottom, because ifshe can win over the small folk
and the commoners and thelowborns, that that's a lot.

(38:58):
That's when the people reallylove you.
Like, cersei wouldn't give tworats asses about feeding the
hungry or visiting an orphanage,so I thought that was
Margaery's official entering toplay the Game of Thrones.
You know what I'm saying.
And I thought it was just abrilliant move on her part.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
It's funny that you said that you wanted my opinion
on this, because I wanted youropinion on this, because, um, I
wanted your opinion on it too,and that's exactly what I wrote
in my notes, um, which is that Iwant to know if you think if
marjorie's being sincere or not.
After you know you shared yourthoughts.
I I I do agree with you.
I think that it's partlysincere, partly not, because
it's obviously a tactic, likeit's obviously her playing the

(39:36):
game of thrones, as you said,like her and the the tyrants
doing so.
That is definitely the majorityof her intentions and why she's
doing what she's doing.
But I also think that she couldbe going about, she could be
doing other things.
Like, she doesn't have to bedoing this, yeah, but she's
doing it because some parts ofher recognizes that it's a need

(39:58):
and at least that shows thatshe's not, as you said, like
seriously, like this ice coldperson that doesn't care about
it at all, like someone likeCersei, maybe another type of
character in the show that we'dget.
They wouldn't care.
You know, like the otherambitious characters in the show
, someone like Littlefingerdoesn't really care for helping
the small folk in the way thatMargaery does.
But she, even though it's faketo some extent, she is making a

(40:24):
difference and it is a goodthing, even though the
intentions aren't 100% pure.
I don't think that I'd say thatthey're 100% bad either.
That's just Marjorie to me.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, and I think what it's really telling is when
they have dinner.
Joffrey Marjorie Loras andCersei Margaery's like soft
power, like she's very soft.
I love it.
Her empathy and she's graciousand it contrasts sharply with
Cersei's like harder, likepessimistic, domineering

(40:56):
approach.
And it's so funny like approachand it's so funny like you can
see the jealousy and cersei justget just deeper and deeper,
like her resentment towardsmarjorie is just like getting to
a boiling point.
And it just reminds me of whenyou talked about the levity of
the show in the prior podcastand and we're talking about

(41:17):
funny moments for me this was sofunny, even though it wasn't
supposed to be funny.
We can see in her face that shejust would love to just tell
off marjorie like oh, you're sosuch a phony, you're fake and
blah, blah.
You know.
Like she's just saying all thisand she she even made a little
comment about her dress.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Like yeah, that's what I was gonna say, like you
know you're.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
She's basically saying you're exposing too much.
You're like, you're dressedlike a slut or something.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
That's what she's saying basically I think I
mentioned earlier in thisepisode that it was the cersei
with tyrian scene that I foundfunny.
But actually this one, like Idid laugh at cersei being fake
to to tyrian but um, like thiswas the actual funny scene
because, as you said, she didlike throw that comment to
Margaery and you could see itall in her eyes, like the hate

(42:06):
that she has towards her andwhat she wants to say but can't.
And what's so funny is you cansee Margaery kind of saying that
same like sly comment back.
She tells her like and yourdress, you know, queen Cersei?
Or like I don't know your grace, I've never seen a dress with
such method, like it's supposedto be offensive, and Cersei is
like well, when you're queen,you understand that you need

(42:27):
armor.
Like it's so, like it's so funnyand it's like real, because you
know you can see people liketalk like that in real life
sometimes, but it's also justlike so funny.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
And then you have Joffrey Do you want to shawl my
lady?
And it's just funny becauseCersei is a woman who's used to
commanding attention and respect, but she does it through
manipulation, control and fear.
And Margaery, she uses thecharm and the sweetness and she
knows how to connect with people, especially with Joffrey, like

(43:01):
she has joffrey wrapped aroundher little finger.
And I mentioned to you beforeparts of the recording that if
you only saw joffrey when he'swith marjorie, you go wow, he's
such a gentleman, he's sogracious, he's such well spoken,
he's wow, he must be a greatking to the people Only like
this.
When he's with Margaery and healways, he never fails to take

(43:24):
Margaery's side.
Every time his mother talks, hebrings her down, like, oh,
whatever, she's just old.
And he just says, remember.
He smashes like, oh, she's justgetting old, and then he just
brushes her off.
And that just makes Cersei evenmore insane.
She knows that she's losing thegrip that she had on Joffrey,
like it's going and she's notgoing to have that influence

(43:48):
anymore on him because you haveMargaery with her charm, she's
just going to take over.
And basically Cersei seesherself relegated to be like,
okay, once queen, what am Igonna be.
They're not gonna want me hereanymore.
They're gonna probably send meback to casterly rock, or you
know what I'm saying, uh, soanyway, I just found this the
whole scene with marjorie andthen with cersei.

(44:10):
I think it was just my wholefavorite part of the episode.
And it's gonna be fun becausethis is at the beginning.
We're gonna see these two womenlike the rivalry between them
is going to grow more and moreand more.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
And the hatred that Cersei has for Margaery, is just
going to keep building.
And then Margaery just comes,mother, my queen, and it drives
Cersei insane.
You can see her eyes roll allthe way back.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I love it because she would never in her wildest
dreams expected to have that.
You'd have to deal with someonelike that.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, and it's just so funny yeah because she could
bully sansa and all that stuff.
But she can't do anything tomarjorie, like marjorie's, like
teflon, to to cersei andspeaking of sansa, um, she has a
very brief scene in thisepisode.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
We see her talking to Shae by the boats, by the pier.
They're playing a game, lookingat the ships, and I think it's
a bit of a sad scene seeing that, because she's looking at each
passing ship and imagining astory for them.
Like, oh, that one's probablygoing to Dorne, that one's
probably going to this place.
So it just shows you how lonelySansa is and like that I don't

(45:24):
know how what she does to passthe time.
That's the only thing that shecan do.
But Liz's finger unfortunatelyappears and basically, like I
think he's been hitting ahinting since last season I
can't remember properly but likehe's obviously telling her like
, oh, we can run away together,I can get you out of here.
But he drops a bomb.
Actually he says I saw yourmother and I saw your sister.
So that brings up the questiondid he actually recognize Arya
and Haran last season?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
you know what?
I didn't even catch that yeahhmm, that's a good question,
because I think he's such aschemer he would have said
something yeah to Tywin, and tobe more in favor with Tywin if
maybe a little finger is sayingI'm gonna stay shut, play this
game and just have everybodyinvolved I don't know if it's
like a, because this isn't inthe book, like, uh at all.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Like we mentioned this lastseason that the whole aria tywin
thing, it's not from the books,it's a show creation.
We mentioned how it's a verygood addition to the show, but
then this line makes me wonder,like, is it like kind of a plot
hole?
Because why would its fingerreally keep quiet?
You know, like it's not in hisnature, um, is it like a part of
him trying to like, did he keepquiet because he wants to use

(46:33):
as leverage with caitlin?
Like one day, if he was able togo back to her, like he that
you know, like that's what I'mthinking like.
My first instinct, though, waslike, oh, he's lying, like he
didn't recognize aria, he's justlying.
But then I was like, oh wait,like what if he did?

Speaker 2 (46:46):
the one thing that um struck me is that and maybe I
forgot because we haven'twatched season two in a while is
that now sansa is openly keento the idea of leaving.
Like I want, I want to goBefore.
She's like no, I have to stay.
King's Landing's my home.
Now she's like I want to getout of here.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
And there's something about Shay here that's really
interesting to me we don't haveto answer this now, but I do
want to come back to it later onin our episodes which is that
when she has a conversation withRoz, who is their company
Nested Finger, roz tells herwatch out for her.
So she's telling Shay to watchout for Sansa, and then Shay
says I always do, and then Rozsays watch out for her with him.

(47:28):
Like I know we've seen Shay andSansa in season two, but I
don't know.
You know we know where Shay'sarc is going and I want to just
keep this in mind as we continuewatching season three.
I don't know if she Did shereally care about Sansa.
I don't know.
I want to keep an eye on it.

(47:49):
I think she does.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
I'm going to say, yes , I think that she probably
notices the treatment that theLannisters, minus Tyrion, give
Sansa and she knows herbackstory and all the tragedy
that's happened and that willhappen soon, and I think she's
being sincere and I think thatShay has gone through probably

(48:16):
worse stuff than hers.
Doesn't want to see her gothrough that.
So I want to say and I do likethe fact that you know, I always
, I always complain about Rozbeing in a scene, but I do like
the little thing is like yeah,when Sansa was born, you know,
the bells rung all day andwinter fell, and so I was kind
of a little tidbit there.

(48:37):
Okay, let's move on to SirDavos.
Last time we saw him he wasbeing blown out of a ship in
Blackwater and we didn't kind ofknow what the heck was
happening.
We knew his son was deadbecause we could see him being
engulfed with the wildfire.
So we know he was dead.
So he survives.
He has blisters all over hisface.
He sees a ship, ship.

(48:58):
He calls for help and the shipcomes, a little boat, and
luckily for him it was hisfriend, son of orsan uh, who
rescues him.
And I I like the actor from um,who plays solid, though he's
actually in conclave and does areally good job oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah he's really good.
And it's funny because when Isaw the movie I go oh that's.
And that's the only time I'veever seen them, other than in

(49:19):
game of thrones.
Um, you know, sawdor gives himlike a brief news brief on what
is going on and he says, yeah,um, stannis is back in dragon
stone licking his wounds and hedoesn't see anybody, only the
red woman, only the priest orwhatever.
So I do admire davos for tryingto get back, but he's just sick

(49:42):
and tired of melisandre.
He just wants her gone.
And it's kind of hard when hegets back to dragon stone.
She's just right there sittingnext to or standing next to
stanis.
And and this is when stanisgets annoying for me, because
he's just like he's- alwaysannoying yeah, but right now
it's just like, oh, he's justsitting, he doesn't want it.
He's always annoying, yeah, butright now it's just like, oh,
he's just sitting there and goes.
I'm not going to listen to you,I'm going to let my emissary

(50:04):
here talk.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I just want to say something about Davos being
found and stuff.
It just shows how horrible itwas to serve Stannis.
I know they probably thoughtthat he exploded or whatever,
but actually went looking forhim or to see if there were any
dead bodies and to bring themback to give them a proper
burial.
Like you know what I mean.
Like there was no consideration.
I can't like watching sanislike and seeing how he lets, as

(50:27):
you said, like melisandre speakfor him and everything.
It just shows how weak he is asa leader and how a bad, how
much of a bad leader he is.
Like.
How does this man have followersin the show and in real life?
He's lame.
He's such a bad character.
I know you said in the bookshe's better, but oh my god,
what's a horrible person tofollow.
Why?
Why would you follow him?
Willingly?
Stronger leader wouldn't fallprey to what minnesota is saying

(50:50):
.
He would speak for himselfrather than having minnesota
speak for him, and and he wouldnot imprison his most loyal
advisor and he would go lookingfor him.
He would care about him.
This is the person that youwant to follow, sorry.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And then also, let's not forget that she is burning
all the prisoners that she deemsas traitors or not full
supporters of her.
Davos is kind of attached tothe past way of thinking and
doing things, or things thathave always been done, and
sadness is now like believesthat anything necessary to

(51:25):
succeed is okay.
All right, let's go to back toheron hall, but you know tywin's
not there anymore.
We have, uh, rob stark, boltonand car stark arriving there and
then they arrive to heron halland see like 250 bodies just
completely slaughtered.
I gotta say rob looks good withthat beard and that hair and he

(51:48):
looks very kingly, dare I saymajestic you're never gonna let
me live.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I said he looked majestic once Once.
It's okay, it's the quote ofour podcast.
Robb Stark is majestic, andit's true.
He's majestic.
Go on, I stand by it.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
We get another mention of Kar Stark.
You know his son was killed byJaime.
Catelyn sets him free and he'sstill pissed about that.
He's like I was refused myjustice.
My boys are lying under theground and Jamie Lannister's are
free.
Rob is noticing that more andmore he sees his mother walking

(52:29):
around.
He notices the looks ofsoldiers are giving him because
his mom is right there, Like, oh, yeah, your mom there.
So he's just like, okay, findher a cell.
But the biggest thing aboutthis scene is that I completely
forgot that we get our firstappearance of.
Kyburn.
Same In season three.
I go.
What In my mind?

(52:49):
I'm thinking season six.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, season five, six, like yeah, I had no idea it
was the third day as well.
I completely forgot.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
So he must have been a maester for some house that
was a bannerman to the Starks.
I don't think he was.
It's not the maester to theStarks, so I was trying to find
where he was.
I couldn't find it.
But yeah, it was kind of odd tosee him there, because I go God
, this guy is going to go fromalmost being dead to cersei's

(53:19):
right hand man when I saw himthere I was like why are you
here?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
uh, first of all, it's not your time.
Second of all, what was likewhat led you to being in the
rubble at tern hall?
And like not rubble, but youknow, like among the dead bodies
at tern hall?
So I looked into it and itliterally says on like the wiki
he is there for an unknownreason.
So it's like okay, weird, but Iguess let's move on like he's

(53:43):
also, it doesn't say, doesn'tsay what house he's belonged to
no, like all it.
All it said was that, like he,you know his backstory of like
he left the citadel and stuff.
But it just says like, if youwant the exact quote, give me a
second.
It just says for unknownreasons, kyburn ended.
The exact quote, give me asecond.
It just says for unknownreasons, qyburn ended up among
the Northern and Riverlanderprisoners at Harrenhal when Sir
Gregor Clegane abandons thecastle and has all captives put

(54:06):
to the sword.
Qyburn, however, survives theinjury at his throat and awakens
when the castle is taken by theNorthern army.
So he's just there for unknownreasons.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
All right.
So let's go beyond the wall andlet's meet for the first time
the king beyond the wall, manceRayder, and John is introduced
to him, and it's just kind offunny.
There's a funny little momentwhere we see Tormund giant Spain
and he's talking.
John kneels to him and saysyour Grace, and it's just kind

(54:37):
of funny.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
So funny kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
It's funny in the books he doesn't do that.
But it's kind of a little funnymoment there that Mance just
says we don't do that here.
We don't kneel before anybody,everybody's kind of equal.
I just I'm not their ruler oranything like that.
When you read this chapter inthe book, mance does recognize
John right away.
He goes oh, john Snow.

(54:59):
Since twice Mance snuck intoWinterfell and saw him in
Winterfell.
Remember he was there.
He snuck into Winterfell whenKing Robert came and he was like
one of the singers, because inthe book he sings, did you not
remember?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
that Wait, wait, wait , wait.
No, I don't, and it's mentionedin book one.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
In the books it says the first time man saw John was
when man visited Winterfell as amember of the Night's Watch and
then saw John and Rob playingtogether as young boys in the
castle.
The second time man saw John iswhen man came to Winterfell as
a singer during Robert's visitand took note of Ned Stark's six
children with their direwolves.
This is a good scene.
The guy who plays Mance is areally good actor.

(55:42):
I mean he can see that Jon'sloyalty to the Night's Watch is
there.
So their conversationestablishes Mance sort of he's
not just a leader but ofunderstands people and he knows
how to manipulate them.
So I mean it's clear that he'snot just a conqueror, he's kind

(56:03):
of he has a vision to bring allthese people together and I
think he tests john in a way islike no, why are you here for
real?
you know what I'm saying likeyeah he tells him like three
times, and then john has to givea academy award performance to
basically keep his life.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
About that just as a reminder for our listeners.
As a quick recap, john is theirundercover, so it's like he
deserves to and wants to jointhem.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Just as a backstory.
I just wanted to mention thatagain he's like an FBI agent
going in.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, double agent basically.
Fbi agent going in.
Yeah, yeah, double agent,basically.
But what I wanted to say isthat I think that, before Mance
appears and like he's called out, basically I think for the
first time in his life, likeJohn is thankful for like the
fact that he's an illegitimatechild and that no one knows Ned
is his dad, and like he's thereand he's like, okay, I'm, I'm

(56:56):
here as, like this just randomjohn snow, like I have no name.
They're going to believe me,you know what I mean.
Like before the man calls me,he's like I'm so grateful that I
don't have a last name.
That's like a noble house.
That's going to be morebelievable.
Uh, my, my plan will work.
It's going to be great.
This is a clean slate, you know,because, like, who's gonna?
Like?
Just a random snow, you know,like he's.

(57:18):
Like this is like why wouldthere be any attention on me?
Um, like no one, no one isgonna know the weight of ned
stark being my dad and all ofthat.
And then the second man,straighter, appears like you're,
you're john snow.
You're, you're ned stark's son.
It's just so funny because,like you could see his face kind
of drop and then that makes youthink like, oh, he was happy

(57:39):
that no one knew who he was.
Like for the first time in hislife he was so thankful that he
was a snow.
Um, I just thought that wasfunny.
Um, because like he, he, he hasno reason to like.
Now he can just be kind ofhonest about who he is, but at
the same time it's gonna beharder for him because he has to
like come up with this lie.

(58:00):
Like no one's gonna believe himif he says something about, like
I don't know, honor orsomething you know, now that
everybody knows that'sassociated with ned stark, he
can't like he has to stay inthat character while also being
a double agent, and it's justit's.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
It makes it's harder for him yeah, it's gonna start
because john is, his ultimategoal is to see how they live,
see, learn what their theirultimate plan is to attack, you
know, the night's watch.
But then I think this is thebeginning of his um, like
internal struggle, because he'sgonna see how these people live,

(58:39):
how they they survive, and he'sgonna start admiring them and
like you know, these they'rewhat they know.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
They're not wildlings , they're free folk yeah and uh,
I just want to mention like abit more about that scene.
Um, you know, we talked aboutlike man's questioning him as
well, and I think that he heassumed that John wants to be.
I think he said something likeyou want to be, like you're here
to be, to be a hero, becauseyou think that this is going to
be like, wow, I'm a hero.

(59:06):
I left the like this is anotherform of I don't know.
Like maybe he thought that Johnwas there to help save them or
something like come out of it insome way as a hero.
I just want to say that I don'tthink that man's is like too
far off, because, though john islike a very noble character and
he doesn't really like gloryall the time, I think that he

(59:29):
would value the success of thismission and coming out of it as
as a hero.
Like he does like.
That was, I think, part of hisjourney with his internal
journey with Corrin Corrinmentioned to him something.
It's a line that I really liked,but now I can't like remember
his word for it.
But he was saying somethinglike don't just die just to die

(59:50):
Cause.
John was like oh, I'm ready todie whenever for the night's
watch.
Like yeah, just like, yeah,just kill me.
And then corinne was like novalue your life, so that when
you die it means something.
John is letting that sink in andhe does want to die for
something and he wants to belike a bit of a hero.
Like I think that he does havethat in him.
It's just not the main reason.
Like it's not, it's not the thewhole truth, but it's not.

(01:00:12):
Like it's still present.
That that that's uh intention,I guess, from john.
Yeah, and when john says like Iwant to fight for the side
that's living, he's not lying.
Like I think that when he'sbeing sincere and saying that
and he's like talking about thehorrors that he's seen with
craster and whatever, like hemance knows that he's telling
the truth john remained honesthe tells a story about craster

(01:00:35):
giving his humble I mean hissons to the White Walkers, and
how Mormont knew forever andnever said anything.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
And that was reason enough to say I want to fight
for the living.
We are going to do some newsegments for our recap and
revisit of season three.
We haven't finalized them yet,so we're going to do maybe one
or two here and then we'll getbetter.
For the next episodes.
We're going to have maybe oneor two here and then we'll get
better.
For the next episodes we'regoing to have something called
scene of the episode.
So, minwa, what was yourfavorite scene of this

(01:01:05):
particular episode?

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Probably like a sad one, but it's the scene between
Tyrion and Tywin.
I choose that because maybeemotional, I have to say it
towards the end, when Dany meetsSer Barristan, I found myself
getting emotional too, justbecause I love her and I'm so
happy for her and I'm rootingfor her always, you know.
So I did get emotional then too, and I like the scene of Cersei
and Margaery, but I think Ihave to say Tyrion and Tywin is

(01:01:28):
the most memorable, but it's avery powerful scene.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I was going to pick the same, but let me just pick
another one.
That way we have two differentones.
I'm going to do Marjorie andthe dinner scene because I just
find it hilarious.
I just love the whole act ofMarjorie, and not all acts, but
I just love that.
And in contrast to Cersei'sjust face being so annoyed by it

(01:01:53):
and Joffrey's like oh, beingsuch a gentleman, everything is
just a perfect combination.
Okay, what about the rating forVala the Hiress?
I think you're going to say Isee it in your face, you're
going to say 8.4?
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
No, I'm going to say 8.6.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Okay, oh, wow, this is so far.
I'm going to give this one, nota 9, because there's a lot of
great episodes to come.
I'm gonna do, probably closer8.4.
Nah, I'll do, I guess, 8.5.
I really enjoyed this episode.
I think it's really reallystructured well and it just kind
of sets everything up goingforward.

(01:02:37):
You know, the next episodewe'll see the rest of the cast.
So that's going to be all forour review recap of episode one,
season three of game of thrones.
While they'll hire us, uh, ournext podcast, we're going to be
focusing on episode two ofseason three, called dark wings,
dark words I can't wait tocontinue with our season three
recap.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
we mentioned how this episode was like the start of
everyone's journeys, like thepivotal.
It's a pivotal season for somany of them and it's going to
be really exciting and I hopeyou guys tune in, especially
because in the next episode isthe first time we meet Arlena
Tyrell, so it's going to be alot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
And, in the meantime, my queen everyone's queen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
That sounded like a meme.
Uh, like that.
That's like everyone's queen weall sing anyways.
If you know, you know um.
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