April 9, 2025 • 51 mins
In EP 63 of the Dancing with Dragons Podcast, Minwa and Tony dissect how The power dynamics in Westeros shift dramatically as characters face life-altering moments that challenge their identities and force tough decisions. We travel to Riverrun for a Tully funeral, watch scheming in King's Landing, and witness pivotal moments in the journeys of Jon Snow, Daenerys, and Jaime Lannister.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you have a name?
This one's name is Missandei.
Your Grace, do you have afamily, a mother and a father
you'd return to if you had thechoice?
No, your Grace.
No family living.
You belong to me now.
It is your duty to tell me thetruth.
Yes, your Grace, lying is agreat offence.
Many of those on the walk ofpunishment were taken there for
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less.
I offered water to one of theslaves dying on the walk of
punishment.
Do you know what he said to me?
Let me die.
There are no masters in thegrave.
Your grace, is it true whatMaster Krasinus told me about
the Unsullied, about theirobedience?
All questions have been takenfrom them.
They obey, that is all.
Once they are yours, they areyours.
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They will fall on their swordsif you command it.
And what about you?
You know that I'm taking you towar.
You may go hungry, you may fallsick, you may be killed.
Valar Morghulis, yes, all menmust die, but we are not men.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hello and welcome to Dancing with Dragons, your go-to
podcast for everything relatedto Game of Thrones, house of the
Dragon and the rest of GeorgeRR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire
universe.
My name is Minua and I'm herewith my co-host, tony, and we're
continuing on with our rewatch,recap and analysis of Game of
Thrones, season 3.
Today, we'll be discussingepisode 3, walk of Punishment.
The episode first premiered onHBO on April 14, 2013 and it's
written by our belovedshowrunners David Benioff and DB
(01:39):
Weiss, and it's directed byDavid Benioff.
I hope you got my sarcasm there.
This is actually the firstepisode of the series to be
directed by the showrunnersDavid Benioff and DB Weiss, aka
D&D, but only Benioff iscredited as directing it.
Due to the way the director'sGuild of America rules work,
only one of them can be crediteddirecting it for some reason,
so it went to David Benioff.
In this episode, tyrion is madethe new master of coin, king's
(02:02):
Landing, jon Snow is sent with aband of wildlings, jon is taken
to the fist of the First Men,daenerys makes a deal for the
Unsullied and Astapor, and Jaimeconvinces his captors against
the assault of Brienne.
There's a lot to get into inthis episode, though.
It's written and directed byD&D.
There's actually some prettymemorable, really great moments
in this episode, even though notmuch happens, um, but still, I
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can't wait to talk about thisepisode and all the highlights
that it has.
What do you think of theepisode, tony?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
if the first two episodes felt heavy on setup
which kind of did but we enjoyedthese characters, so we're good
with it.
We're now finally sinking ourteeth into the heart of season
three.
The map has expanded to includeriverrun Kat's ancestral home,
where she's attending herfather's funeral, and it's kind
of ironic that at the last sceneof this episode we hear
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somebody say you're nothingwithout your father, and he's
not here anymore.
Looking at the way Kat isfeeling and now how rob is
dealing with all the stuff he'sdealing with, you can kind of
link that phrase to them as well, yeah yeah oh, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's so cool because, yeah, as you said, like
the, that sentence wasn't saidto cat or rob, but it resonates
with them still and I I'd makethat connection wow you can feel
it when, again, again, michelleFurley, she's acting her butt
off in this season.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
She has this little scene with her uncle, brendan
Tully, who we get to meet We'llgive him a proper introduction
in a bit and she's telling thethat is what she thinks.
Bran and rick on must have beenfeeling the same way.
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And actually let's just startwith the funeral of her dad,
lord hustard tully.
It's actually a somber moment,but there is a brief moment of
levity because her brother yeahwell, actually, um, what they do
for House Tully.
In their house, they have afuneral tradition, which is they
put the body in a boat and theyset it adrift on the Red Fork,
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and then they set it on fire byflaming arrow.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, like a Viking.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, like a Viking.
So his ashes will return to theriver which sustains their
lands.
So then you have edmund telly,who I, I do in the future, we
say this, I, we say this so manytimes that we want to focus on
this episode on somebody.
And I do want to focus on himbecause he, he was kind of
turned into a nitwit in thisseries and he's not like that in
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the novels.
It's funny because now when Isee this actor, I think of
prince philip, because he playedprince philip in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah uh, anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So prince philip was in charge of shooting the arrow
so he couldn't do it.
He took like three.
What was it?
Three, three shots and it'skind of a.
People are not laughing.
Obviously it's a funeral.
They're kind of like it's veryawkward.
Here comes Brandon Tully, oraka the Blackfish, just takes it
, shoots it and just handsEdmure the freaking bow and just
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leaves Like he's walking off.
He just dropped the mic andjust left and boom it hits it
perfectly.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And it's not even that it hits it perfectly, but
he turned away before it evenreached the boat.
You know, he was just.
He knew that it would, thathe'd make the shot, and just
didn't even care and dismisseshis nephew in the process.
It's so cool.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's a cool moment because before he pulls back the
arrow, he just looks and hegoes.
A great shot of him looking atthe flag of House, tully or, you
know, the banners and like,okay, the wind is pushing this
way, okay, it just shoots and hejust leaves what I love about
it too is that um, like this,this is the first time that
we're meeting both of thosecharacters, edmure and um
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brendan sari, aka the blackfish.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But it's also like a perfect character introduction
as to like what to expect fromthem in the show.
Because you know edmure is likethey're, they're embarrassed
for him, you know he's, he'sthis kind of, as you said, like
a nitwit or something.
Then you have brendan, but theblackfish, who is like very
respected and you know even likehis composure as he like walks
up and like takes that shot, isvery like I don't know it's a
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man that knows that he'srespected and has that kind of
powerful.
It's says a lot about I don'tknow, I guess the quality of the
writing of Game of Thrones atthat time, which I miss Back
when Game of Thrones hadexcellent character
introductions.
You know we saw it with Elenain the last episode and then
these two here.
I wish this quality remainedfor the rest of the show.
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But anyways, we won't get intothat.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, with this, I'm going to put this little audio
clip because it sets up who theyare within 15 seconds bearing
upon you.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Shut your mouth about that damn mill.
I don't call him nephew, he'syour king.
Rob knows I meant him.
No, you're lucky, I'm not yourking.
I wouldn't let you wave yourblunders around like a victory
fly.
Blunder sent Tywin's mad dogscurrying back to Casterly Rock
with his tail between his legs.
I think King Robb understandswe're not going to win this war
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if he's the only one winning anybattles.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
There's glory enough to go around.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's not about glory.
Your instructions were to waitfor him to come to you.
I seized an opportunity.
What value was the mill?
The mountain was garrisonedacross the river from me.
Is he there now?
Of course not.
We took the fight to him.
He could not withstand us.
I wanted to draw the mountaininto the west, into our country,
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where we could surround him andkill him.
I wanted him to chase us, whichhe would have done because he
is a mad dog without a strategicthought in his head.
I could have that head on aspike by now.
Instead, I have a mill.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm going to pause it right there really quick.
I think this is Rob at his mostkingly.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes, yes, I agree.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
This is his quote, uncle his senior, I guess.
But the Blackfish.
Just once Rob starts speaking,he goes okay, here you're going
to take it from Rob.
Now he just walks away to letEdmure take his lumps.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And it says something , too, that the Blackfish, as
this respected member of thefamily and this respected knight
in Westeros as well, he doesn'ttalk, as you said, over Rob.
Someone with that level ofauthority and power sees Rob as
someone that has more than thatand makes it clear.
Do you know what I mean?
It says something about Rob and, I guess, his reputation or how
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even the powerful guys see him.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, we took hostages Willem Lannister,
martin Lannister.
Willem and Martin Lannister are14 years old.
Martin is 15, I believe TywinLannister has my sisters.
Have I sued for peace?
(09:01):
No.
Do you think he'll sue forpeace because we have his
father's, brother's,great-grandson's?
No.
How many men did you lose?
208.
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But for every man we lost theLannisters lost.
We need our men more than Tywinneeds his.
I'm sorry, I didn't know.
You would have Right here todayat this gathering if you had
been patient.
We seem to be running short ofpatience here.
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You know who isn't.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Tywin Lannister, I think Brandon, or Brandon
Blackfish.
I think he's referring to theKarstarks as well, because he
says we're running out ofpatience here as well.
I think everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He's kind of speaking for the rest of the Bannermen
as well, not just him, becausewe remember we talked about
Karstark him, him questioningRob that he won, and that's how
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he sees it, as it was actually abig mistake Because, when I
actually thought about it,basically it disrupts the entire
Stark strategy.
That's what they say as well.
So they wanted to lure theMountain, trap him.
But because Edmure did what hedid, the Lannister armies were
able to get back to King'sLanding in time for the Battle
of the Blackwater.
If he didn't do that, then theLannisters couldn't have shown
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up at the Battle of the BlackWater.
So if Edmure stuck to the plan,then it's highly likely that
Stannis would be sitting on theIron Throne right now.
Like we need to let that sinkin just for a second, like a
like a minor, a seemingly minormistake, because Edmure wanted
glory and thought he was doingthe right thing, led to Stannis
losing the Battle of the blackwater I do want to mention well,
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I have, we have a little momentbefore we move on is how
brendan tully got his name theblackfish yeah, yeah, we have to
mention that
Speaker 3 (11:15):
uh, it's because he had a rocky relationship with
his older brother who wascaitlin's father, I guess um
back mostly back in the day, Iguess like 30 years prior, the
Blackfish refused to take partin a marriage alliance with
House Redwine which Hosterproposed for him.
This led Hoster calling him theBlack Sheep of the Tully family
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but pointing out that the Tullysymbol is a fish, Brandon
decided that this made him theBlackfish of the Tully family
and instead of hating thatnickname, he took it as a
personal badge of honor and madeit his personal sigil.
And it's normal blue and red ofthe Tully heraldry, but he
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replaced the silver fish withthe black one.
That's so him, when you see hischaracter, Like yeah, he would
do that.
But interesting fact is that weget they mentioned, the two
Lannister hostages and one ofthem is called Martin Lannister
and he is played by Dean CharlesChapman, who would be casted
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again as Tommen Baratheon.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh, no way, I didn't catch that.
I didn't catch, that was him.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, he's the one that's talking to Talissa.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's Tommen.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Future Tommen.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, future Tommen.
So that's kind of a cool littlething.
I didn't.
Once he comes out for the firsttime, I guess we could look up
on how that all came about.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, speaking of Tommen, let's go over to where
he and his family currently are,which is King's Landing.
Our first scene in King'sLanding actually has one of my
favorite scenes in Game ofThrones.
I love this scene so so much,so what it is Tywin summoning
his small council for the firsttime.
So this is the first time thathe assembles the small council
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since assuming the position ofHand of the King, and it's
mentioned that he has themeeting place changed to
somewhere near his room or hisquarters.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That moving of the small council meeting will come
back to have one of my favoritescenes as well, with Joffrey,
who is one of those scenes thatJoffrey was being logical and
asking the right questions andit's him and Tywin in the throne
room and Joffrey does this.
You moved it to the tower ofthe hand, so now I would have to
walk all the way up there.
But anyway, we'll get to thatscene and I think it's next
episode or the uh, the fifthepisode.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Sorry, I answered okay, no no, I forgot that scene
and so like it's nice, it'sgood that you remind me, because
I completely forgot that.
I didn't realize that this mighthave been a test done by Tywin
until, like this rewatch Usually, of course we see the small
council scenes and all thechairs are.
The way that it's kind of linedup In this meeting is that he's
sitting at the head of the tableand like have three or four
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chairs all like lined up on oneside, so there's one side of the
table that's completely empty.
He calls them all in at thesame time, I think, except for
Cersei, and they look at theseating arrangements, they
immediately get that they wantto cozy up to Tywin and see it
as like I'm going to beat you toit.
So Listerfinger sprints to thechair that's closest to Tywin,
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varys, kind of wishes it was him, but he doesn't really care at
the same time and acts all sassy.
Doesn't really care at the sametime and acts all sassy and he
rolls his eyes and, uh, justlike passes swiftly, I guess, um
, and acts content to be sittingthe second closest to to tywin.
And then paisel is just likedoing his little turtle walk as
like the old man, like littlestroll it doesn't matter to him
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as long as he's in the room.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
He doesn't care like he wants to be there but not
seen or heard.
But I I found this scene sobrilliant because we have close
to three minutes of non-verbal Ilove it and all of what we're
gonna say now is just completely, it's like in silence, it's so,
it's so.
It works perfectly yeah, andit's just a demonstration of
like the power dynamics of thissmall yeah.
(15:02):
So, like tywin doesn't need todemand obedience, his mere
presence, like it forceseverybody to like conform, right
.
So?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
then you have you have bailish.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like he's so ambitious he's gonna he boom.
He runs to the first chair yeah, like you said varus is like
okay, whatever I, I know where Istand, I don't need to kiss
Tywin's ass.
And then you have Cersei, who'slike I'm going to just pick up
a chair.
Which I just read in the notesis that they made a special
chair for her because thoseother chairs are really heavy.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And they didn't want her dragging the chair, so they
made it so she could just liftit.
And so you have Cersei there.
She's like I'm going to standby my father's side, even though
he I'm basically like his righthand person, but he's always
denies her that official role.
Like he's like whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
And it's like I'm going to makemy place here.
You know what I mean.
Like you're going to conform towhat's available.
I'm going to cement myself andshow you where I am and like
where I could go, like make myown path, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And then Tyrion just openly rejects the idea.
He doesn't care about hispeople's favor and he does the
funny.
He just drags.
He's not going to sit next toPycelle, he's going to make sure
that he sits the furthest awayfrom Tywin.
And then looking straight athim and like he's deliberately
refusing to play along and then,he goes.
Oh, I love what you did withthe chair, Like he's so.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I love it.
I love it Because he's so sassyand I think the sass is also in
like the noise that the chairmakes as he slowly like drags
the chair to that positionbecause he takes his time.
Doing it Like Cersei is justkind of like you know doing it
at a normal pace, little fingerruns and everything time.
Doing it like cersei is justkind of like you know, doing it
at the normal pace, littlefinger runs and everything.
But then tyrian just looks ateveryone and slowly drags the
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chair and says it's like rightopposite tywin and I like that.
It's kind of like opposingtywin, you know, showing like
okay, you're all gonna cozy upto him, I'm going against him
and that's a bit offoreshadowing there too and it's
funny because they actually hada meeting about something.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They were talking about Jimmy's whereabouts and
Littlefinger going to the Valeto marry Liza and them making
Tyrion the Master of CoinBecause he's like, okay, wait a
minute, wait a minute.
If he's leaving, this royalwedding is going to be the most
expensive of all time.
And it's a funny moment becauseI've only only he's like, I've
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only I only know how to spendmoney.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, so um that's what I'm telling you like.
This scene shows that game ofthrones can be a comedy, like
we've been mentioning this acouple of times already but it
has these really funny moments.
Um, they want to set him up forfailure.
You know what I mean.
That's why she's so smug aboutit, like, like you know, with
the wedding coming, she's's good.
No one can send her or Tywinanything.
They're going to spend as muchas they want and it's all going
to look like Tyrion's fault.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, let's stay with Tyrion, and he does have a
brief scene with Littlefinger,which Littlefinger mentions to
Tyrion about Podrick.
You owe that squire a lot.
Have you rewarded him?
And Tyrion, you rewarded himand, uh, it seems like I owe him
my life.
And it kind of starts thebeginning of this funny bit that
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we get uh with braun and tyrianwith a podrick and they can't,
they're in little fingersbrothel, so you know what that
means.
They take him into a room.
They kind of he introduces allthese different women and
patrick's like just very nervousand Podrick's one of the
sweetest characters, most loyalcharacters in the show, and they
go off.
And then you have Tyrion andBronn speaking about such things
(18:35):
, about the Master of Coin.
Then we have Podrick returning.
You were gone a long time.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I trust you got your money's worth, or should I say
my money's worth?
Oh, it was a gift, podrick.
This is more than I give you ina year.
He's a squire.
You don't pay him?
Oh then it's much more than Igive you in a year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I won't take it.
Look, maybe they're trying tocurry some favor with the new
master of coin have you everknown a whore to churn down gold
?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
They were happy enough to take it when I gave it
to them.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
What did you tell them?
I didn't tell them anything.
What did you do to them?
Lots of things, and they seemto like these things.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yes, blue, of course they seem to like it.
They're paid to seem to like it, only they weren't paid.
What are you saying?
These ladies enjoyed him somuch they gave him the time for
free.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Is that what you're telling us?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Sit down Podrick we're going to need details,
copious details.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I love this scene because, if you notice that
whole interaction, they neversaid like a bad word, they never
mentioned any acts, sexual actsor anything.
It's just all innuendos andjust him looking very like I did
lots of things.
They never explained whatactually happened.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And which makes it even funnier we as audiences is
left to imagine what skills ortalents project possesses that
made these professional ladiesrefuse any payment, which just
keeps the joke alive, Like if hewas saying oh, I'm doing this
to them and it's not reallyfunny.
But the fact that it comes froma guy who plays an awkward
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humble squire who struggles withmost things, that suddenly he's
like a legendary lover, adds tothe absurdity of the humor.
That's what makes this funny.
It's because it's Podrick.
They never explain anything andit's just perfect comedic
timing by Peter Dinklage ofsaying we need all the details,
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please.
Minowaz, being very silentduring this scene, uh,
discussion, that's okay.
Uh, uh, Tyrion says in theladies room, when they're uh
talking to the ladies, uh, thatthere's a contortionist uh
called Kayla.
That is one of four womenthat's known in the world who
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can do a proper merinese knot.
Whatever the heck that is, wedon't know what that is right.
But apparently this is a subtle, subtle joke for fans of the
books, because for a song of iceand fire, the merinese knot is
a reference to a complex seriesof plot problems George had for
the fifth novel, Dance withDragons, which delayed the book
for a few years.
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So they used that Meronese Knotline into the show, which I
thought was pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Okay, so, since I don't talk about scenes like
that, let's move on to acharacter that I love to talk
about, and that's Arya, acharacter that I love to talk
about.
And that's Arya, so, kind ofgoing back to the Riverlands
area where we started theepisode.
There's a very sweet scene thatshe has kind of saying farewell
to Hot Pie, who bakes her breadin the shape of a dire wolf
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because he doesn't want tobasically go on with the
brotherhood of banners.
They stopped at an inn and theinnkeeper basically loved his
baking so much that I think sheasked him to stay, or like he
asked to stay, but anyways, he'sstaying there, regardless of
the perfect taste for him.
And he's like I'm not comingwith you guys, like I'm just
gonna stay here and make mybread.
And he baked her the bread inthe shape of a dire wolf, which
is so sweet and and you know,and she, she eats and she's like
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it's really good.
And that's the last thing thatshe says to him.
I love reading into things abit too much, but he says I'm
not a Stark of Winterhall.
And then she says Winterfell,and I thought it was interesting
because it shows that, like alot of the people that don't
really live close to like theLords, you know what I mean.
Like if you don't live right byWinterfell, if you're not, if
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your house or the, the housethat you serve, isn't like one
of their like bannermen you knowwhat I mean then you then shows
that there's still a bit of adisconnect between like yeah, I
mean especially for a lowborn ora commoner like hot pilot, he,
he's not gonna know the historyof westeros.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And can you imagine all those kids who live in like
uh, flea bottom?
They don't know anything aboutwinter hell, or they just hear
passing.
What makes this uh scene reallysweet is that aria wants to say
, wants to give hot pie, like ajab gandry like kind of stops
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her because she she's urging tosay something sarcastic.
And then she goes oh okay, thankyou, thank you, like, but she
really wanted to say something.
I felt there was a heartfeltscene at the farewell, but I
love that he says, uh, don't getstabbed.
And he goes yeah, don't burnyour fingers.
Also with the scene, it's kindof a powerful full circle moment
(23:51):
.
This is the same in where thehound, uh, kills the baker's boy
, micah, after joffrey's attack.
Uh, this is like a definingmoment of aria losing her
innocence right after that.
But it's kind of a ironic twistthat she finds herself in a
situation that now the hound isa captive and the hot pie takes
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micah's place as the new kind ofbaker.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah, true, yeah, I think that's just like
I wanted to add as well, andthat's why she tells him do you
remember the last time you werehere and the hound doesn't?
I actually just read thatchapter in the book and he
didn't remember killing Michael,I think he briefly did.
(24:37):
He didn't really acknowledge it.
So, yeah, so with that, let'smove on from Arya to someone
that Arya really likes andsomeone very close to her, and
that's Jon.
So Jon is still with the FreeFolk and they've arrived at the
Fist of the First Men, which isa landmark in the wilderness
beyond the Wall.
It's an ancient ring fort thatexisted before the Targaryens
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defeated the Andals, before theAndals took Westeros from the
First Men, so it's likethousands and thousands of years
before the events of Game ofThrones.
It's a very historical placeand it's a landmark deep in
Wilding territory.
Its strategic positioning makesit one of the more defensible
positions that the Night's Watchcan use north of the Wall.
Strategic positioning makes itone of the more defensible
positions that the Night's Watchcan use north of the wall, and
they use it to also orientthemselves as a possible
fallback position in casethey're fighting the Wildlings.
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So I believe that Mance wentthere because they heard that
the Night's Watch was there,right, yeah, so when they make
their way there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I'm sorry, no, I was going to say that that's where
Sam and the crew found thedragonglass first of the first.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh yeah, manson, the wildlings find something in this
episode as well.
In that location they findbasically the corpses of the
horses of the night's watcharranged in like a spiral
pattern, and man's like looks onit and he says, like always the
artist referring to the whitewalkers, because as we know from
game of thrones season one, um,that's how the White Walkers
kind of arrange these spiralpatterns and they're dead and
you know that's their callingcard yeah, their calling card,
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and lots of theories stemmedfrom this but ultimately ended
up to mean like not much, just,I guess, just their calling card
and nothing else.
Mance and the Wildings talkabout the Night's Watch members
that were probably there, andthey assume that those men
turned into wights or likethey're all dead now.
So I think that that makes themthink that they're more ready
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or that they can attack the wallas soon as possible.
Like that's it.
Most of them are gone.
They think that your Mormont isdead as well.
So they kind of feel more.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
They feel ready now to like, attack the Night's
Watch and I think he's, uh,rightly assuming that that
mormon, if he was ranging so farnorth that he would take only
his best men out there, and hegoes now.
They lost all their bestfighters.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Now we can attack so then that's why man sells
torment to take like 20 peopleplus Jon to scale the wall to
attack Castle Black and distractthe Night's Watch, while
Mance's main army would attackfrom the north, from another
location, and Mance's army islike huge.
It seems like an easy win whenyou think of it this way.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And then I think Tormund says something like oh,
they're finally going to war.
So it's like a big moment forthem.
And then I think Tormund sayssomething like oh, they're
finally going to war.
So it's like a big moment forthem.
And the reason that they'retaking Jon with them is because
he knows the layout of CastleBlack.
It will end up being like atest of his loyalty, to see if
he betrays the Night's Watch ornot, and if he betrays them,
then Tormund can easily justthrow him off the wall.
That's what they say.
So it's actually, though.
The Wildlings think that theNight's Watch members are dead.
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They are not.
They end up going to Craster'sKeep for safety, just for the
night or something.
Not much really happens, it'sjust typical Craster.
You know Craster-ness, I guess.
But the relevant, the moreimportant part of this scene is
that we see Gilly giving birthto her baby, and it's a boy.
That character is obviouslygoing to be appearing in the
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show.
Uh, moving forward, but therewas something that I just wanted
to pinpoint.
Uh, sam sees ghosts.
Ghost kind of refuses to entercraster's keep.
In the book it's actually a bitdifferent, because I'm reading
the book now, um, but the ghostis actually with john while john
is with the wild things, andthen john sends him back to sam
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and to the night's watch membersas like a warning sign, kind of
like that's the most that hecould do.
So he just hoped that that'swhat, that they would understand
something.
And moving on from that, we haveto talk about a character that
I am kind of refusing to watchthis season just because the
scenes are a bit much.
But what?
This episode is fine, so I'mgoing to talk about it, and it's
theon.
In this episode he kind ofescapes the torture that he was
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in from the previous episodewith the help of a young man who
gives him a horse and tells himto ride east.
And then he's captured andassaulted.
Mysterious young man who westill don't know if this is the
first time watching it rescueshim and kind of calls Theon like
oh my lord, and whatever.
So that's what that is, eventhough we know who that
mysterious young man is.
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And re-watching it now justmakes the whole thing harder to
watch, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I can't I watched this whole thing and all I think
I thought it was one word andthat's just sadistic of what
ramsay is doing to him, likejust the mind games and mental
torture that he's going to puttheon through.
It's going to be tough to getthrough, especially when he
removes something from his body.
But yeah, that's the only thingI have for this scene here.
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That was a short little timewith Theon and Ramsey, and we
have another little short scenewith a couple of characters
Stannisisandra and uh, for thislittle quick scene, I found
stannis to be sounding sodesperate and his come-ons to
malisandra were creepy very yeah, he's very creepy because he's
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basically like telling misssundry, like don't go, I want
you with me.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It is his desperation , but it's also his fear that,
like when she leaves, somethingwill happen to him.
Like that's very clear in hiseyes because she says that she
needs to go where the fires takeher.
All he's thinking about is likehis loss and how he wants
another son when he's and that'swhat he says another son, the
first son being the one thatkilled Renly, that like shadow
son.
But she kind of like answers bysaying that you know, like I
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can't do that again because itwould kill you.
And she explains that what shehas in store is even going to be
more powerful than that shadowsun that they produced.
Like she kind of implies thatshe's going to do like a human
sacrifice type of thing.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Like the Lord of Light, demands sacrifices.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yes, yeah, and that she needs the king's blood.
That's not Stannis'.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
No, I'll say that she does put out his fire, his lust
, because she just gives him theyour fire has run low my king
Like she can't.
That had a triple meaning, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
For you maybe.
But yeah, I kind of think thatwas funny or like interesting
how they both mentioned that youknow he's the righteous king,
like you know.
And it just brings me back tothat edmure thing, like if, if
only edmure wasn't so stupid,then he literally could be
sitting on the iron throne rightnow, like it's literally not
even his fault.
Okay, let's move on from theboring character of stanley or
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stannis, and I'm just sayingthat because I can finally talk
about daenerys, my girl.
Um, she has an amazing scenethis episode.
We see her walk along the walkof punishment and ask support,
kind of like this this walkwayalong the, the sea where any
slave who showed insubordinationof any type is then just like
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strapped to a cross and left todie out in public as a warning
to all other slaves who daredisobey.
Um, it breaks danny's heartseeing this and how it's like
very normalized in astapor andshe offers, like a man, someone,
like a slave, water but herefuses to drink, saying that he
just wants to die because, asmasandi said in the clip we
included in the beginning ofthis episode, they just see it
as a relief because they won'thave any master that's such a
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powerful line and it's so sadit's like, you know, the grave
has no master.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's those things you hear about when slaves are
being transferred from, you know, west africa to the caribbean,
or that they would just throwthemselves into the sea.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
They would rather just die than be a slave and
like we can see the, the likewheels in her head turning when
she sees this and when she hearsit, because she's seeing it
with her eyes.
But beside her she has thesetwo men.
One is saying like, is pro theAnsarid and the other one is
anti buying the Ansarid.
So the pro is Jorah and theperson that's anti or against
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buying the Ansarid is BaristanSalmi.
And Jorah says that, you know,because he says that the slave
soldiers would be treated betterin her service.
Innocent people will also bespared in the war, because the
Ansarid only do as they'reordered and they have no human
or masculine urges in theirbodies.
That's what that.
And they won't kill or assaultinnocent women and children and
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people, unlike most malesoldiers who would do that in in
battle or in war.
Um, and then you have barisonwho, like says the the good, I
guess, con of buying it, whichis that they won't really
believe in her, and that'ssomething that means a lot to
danny too, and that's why, likeyou can see that the plan that
she's concocting here, like okay, how can I get them?
Or like, get an army, but alsomake them believe in me so that
they're actually loyal to me andhow can I make a change in
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Astapor at the same time?
So that's why she's thinking,oh okay, so like maybe I can
free them and then see if theybelieve in me.
And yeah so.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I also love this scene because it gives Barristan
a chance to mention Rhaegar andhow people follow him, because
they love him and they believedin him and they died for him,
not because they were paid to orthey were bought.
And she's just like askingquestions about her brother and
how was he really like?
And he's just he's the bestbest man I ever met.
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It starts that process of.
Was rager really, this evilperson that raped and tortured
liana?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
and we know that, uh, barrison said he's an honorable
man.
So if he's been compared tosomeone like Ned Stark, so if
someone that's very honorableand that great of like a person
is in support of Rhaegar, itkind of makes it lessens the
credibility, I guess, of thoseother people that of course hate
him for many other reasons.
You know what I mean Like theLannisters and everyone else
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they have.
I guess, like Robert has areason to hate Lyanna, not
Lannisters, you know what I mean.
So he's going to spread thetale of Rhaegar.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
And so far Barristan seems to be like a what do you
say?
A foil to Jorah, becauseeverything Jorah says, barristan
comes back and be like well,what about?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
this queen.
And he's a needed presence,because I illustrated this in my
notes no-transcript books and Ijust see him on screen now and
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I can't.
And he annoyed me when he toldher um, if you want to sit on
the throne your ancestors built,you must win it.
That means blood on your handsbefore the thing is done, duh,
duh.
She knows that.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
She knows that she just wants to and she says blood
of my enemies, not of theinnocent yes, yes so I think,
this was written by dnd because,oh yeah, and I think that
krasnick.
What was his name?
Krasnick?
krasnick monaclose okay he'ssuch a vile, disgusting and I
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don't know if anybody who hadn'tseen the show and not read the
material if they knew that.
Because daenerys is kind oflike looking straight face every
single word he says he'sinsulting her and she's just
like does the perfect acting jobof of just looking at Missandei
and just kind of like smiling,saying, yeah, that's not what he
said, by the way, becauseMissandei's job is to make it
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clean it up.
But it feels like in thisepisode so far, like Daenerys in
this season hasn't doneanything and we've seen her two
episodes.
We're laying the groundworkslowly with her.
You have to set up thisso-called power move.
She has to get soldiers.
She can't just wait until herdragons are grown because she
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doesn't know, we don't know howlong it's going to take.
It might take years and by thetime that happens she can be
assassinated.
You know it has to.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She has to move quickly yeah, and she has to
seize this opportunity.
The ethical, uh like dilemma ofit is directly addressed, but
of course she thinks of a way tonavigate through it that no
other person can think of.
But just on that note, you saidabout Missandei.
I think that the reason, likethat's why Daenerys makes her
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part of the deal as well,because Missandei is not
translating the horrible thingsbeing said about Dani.
She was a slave at that point.
She doesn't want to beservicing Krasnus and if she was
loyal to him then she'd betranslating word for word.
She wouldn't care what he'ssaying about Dani.
We can see it in her eyes thatshe's sympathetic towards Dani
and Dani is sympathetic towardsher, so that's, and they both
recognize that.
So that's why Missandeimistranslates and that's why
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Dani, um, like basically wantsher.
And I just wanted to make thatone point about Jorah and his
opinion on the Unsullied um,when he's saying all that he's
saying, he never actually saysthat he's against slavery.
Do you know what I mean?
Like he, they'll be treatedbetter in your service, like
this is a good condition forthem, but he never thinks of
them serving her as free men.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, and and the point that Iwas trying to make is that this
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is what concerns danny, most ofus, that at the end of the day,
they're slaves, and that's whatbarryson time is trying to say
as well, and jorah isn'trealizing that that's like, like
, just the nature of it iswhat's uh, is what's wrong.
He just he, he just sees it's abetter condition, yeah, but
they're still they're stillslaves.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, he forgets about why he was banished by Ned
Stark.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's the irony.
That's the irony.
He hasn't learned his lessonbecause he is, as you said,
banished because he was a slaver, and it's just he still doesn't
realize that that's what'swrong.
Plan was already in her headthe second that she met up with
Krasnus again and says that shewants to buy all 8,000 soldiers
and I love the scene that shehas, like directly afterwards,
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because when she says that andshe says, okay, I'll give you my
dragon, the biggest one, likedone deal and everything.
Both Barristan and Jor likespeak up loudly against her like
they, they protest in front ofeverybody saying Khaleesi, my
queen, you cannot do this.
And she looks so furious and Ilove how she scolds them later
on and tells them, like don'tyou dare question me in front of
strangers ever again.
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I love that scene, tony, somuch because it's so, dan, she's
like I know what I'm going todo.
I don't want you to know whatI'm going to do.
You just have to trust me andthis is, in a way, like my test
to you, like you have tounderstand me, you have to to
support me and trust that I'mgoing to do the right thing
funny enough when I see her saythat it for some reason I think
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of vita corleone talking totalking to sunny when he tells
them when they meet natalia forthe first time yes, yes, he goes
don't you ever speak, and whenwe're talking, like in front of
the family, you know, she giveshim that that talking to.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
But I love the fact when she does tell that to baron
and jorah, they just they don'tsay a word.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
They just kind of like step back and go, oh okay
yeah, they acknowledge that theykind of screwed up but the
purchase of the unsullied aside,like not the actual purchase,
but you know what I mean.
Like deal aside, there'sactually a very important scene
that's happened in this episodeand that's in our Brienne and
Jamie storyline.
So let's go back to theRiverlands where they are
picking up, where the lastepisode or left off or the last
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time we've seen them.
They've officially beencaptured by Roose Bolton's and
there's a nice little Easter eggin the scene because as they're
riding along, the men or likeone man I think is singing the
song the Bear and Maiden Fair,which is a very popular
in-universe song in Westeros.
It has a number of appearancesin Game of Thrones and it's even
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sung in House of the Dragon.
It's the song that's playedduring the end credits as well,
but like a rock and roll versionof the song, and the man
singing it in the scene isactually played by Gary
Lightbody, the frontman of theband Snow Patrol, who makes a
cameo appearance here.
So that's kind of a nice littleEaster egg for you there.
I could go on about the songbecause, as I said, it's like a
known, one of the most famoussongs that we know that's in
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universe.
But I'll leave that aside fornow, as episode seven of season
three is actually titled afterthe song the baron maiden fair.
So we'll cross that bridge whenwe get to it and let's just
talk about the scene, because Ihave something I want to say.
As I said, jamie and brian arelike tied up on this horse.
Um, I think they have like abrief conversation, but what
jamie was trying to tell her, orlike what he was telling her
for the most part, is that hetells her like look, when we
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camp for the night, if they wantto assault you, uh, don't
resist and don't fight, becauseyou're just gonna end up dead.
Jamie was like I'm the valuablehostage here.
They don't want you, you'rejust some woman to them.
Uh.
So that was him kind of likeadvising her.
In the book we actually get likethe because it's a pov chapter,
we get to see a strain ofthoughts as well.
So before he says that hethinks if I were a woman I'd be
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cersei, and then.
But he says out loud if I werea woman I'd make them kill me,
but I'm not.
So I thought that that was veryinteresting.
I think it kind of revealsJaime's kind of views on like
men and women, because he's kindof telling Brienne like you
should let let this thing happento you, let this horrible thing
happen to you.
He sees himself as like a manthat's like probably still
stronger than Brienne and couldfight and win his way out, or
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something.
He says you know, it'shonorable for me if I die during
it.
It's not honorable for youbeing a woman.
You have to accept that this isa part of your reality.
But he wouldn't.
I don't know.
It's kind of like misogynisticthinking kind of at that point
because he doesn't really get it.
But I also think that when hesays in the book he thinks if I
were a woman I'd be Cersei, Thenhe thinks that if Cersei was in
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this position she'd make themkill her.
So he kind of understands thatCersei would too.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I think we kind of know what Cersei would do,
because she was almost in thatposition.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
She basically was she was assaulted by Robert too,
though.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
And also she thought that Stannis was going to sack
the city.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And you know what?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Stannis was going to sack the city and you know what
Stannis and his men was going todo to her and she was like I'm
not going to let that happen,I'm just going to drink this
poison and kill myself.
I'd rather do that.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
He was saying all that, but I think he was
actually concerned for herBecause if he was like evil,
he'd be like well, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And you can see that he knew.
He saw the writing on the wallwhen they came tonight.
And Locke, who was like okay,just take her back there, I'm
just going to when I get her allready, and whatever he says,
you boys can do what you have todo, and he kind of just thinks
on the fly like hey, by the way,she's the daughter of so-and-so
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, you know, house of Tarth, andthey have all this wealth there
and these gems, and so I thinkthat was jamie's kind of way of
you know, I don't like you, butI think you're honorable and I
don't.
I don't think you should be.
I have to go through that um oh, definitely.
This is horrendous accent,because he's probably seen it in
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war.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
He's been in war, he's probably I don't know, I
and I don't, I.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I don't think Jaime's ever taken a part of that
because he's so loyal to Cersei.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
At this point that he doesn't want to see that happen
to her.
He cares for her and I think,even though I said everything I
said, this is Jaime changing.
This is Jaime being away fromCersei.
We know that Jaime's a greatcharacter, so's like a lightness
and a darkness within him.
So we see like the darknesskind of fade away as he fades
away from Cersei, like goes likeand stays further away from her
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.
So this is kind of that likethat's his better side, coming
through and saving Brienne, andit's not about the Sapphire Isle
, the reason that he says thatlike Tarth is called the
Sapphire Isle but it's um forhow, how blue the the sea is.
Uh, the waters are in tarth.
So she mentions that to him inthe book.
I don't know if she does infuture episode, but like I had a
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bit of time before we recordedum today, so I was like going
through all of these like postson social media of like that's
for years that are years old,about people talking about the
scene, and it just makes me wantto do that for every episode,
because I saw lots of peopletalking about feminist things
that I mentioned about Brienneand Jamie, like when Jamie was
saying that, like you know, youshould give your life.
I'm fine, but I forgot whichcomments mentioned it, so I wish
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I could give them credit maybenext time.
But there were a couple ofpeople actually that mentioned
how it's kind of wrong thatbrienne's assault is used to
kind of serve jamie.
Do you know what I mean?
Like a woman is gettingassaulted in the story and it's
only purpose.
Like I'm not gonna say it hasto be for a purpose.
Obviously it's like a horriblething but it's just.
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It's just there for jamie to bea good person.
Do you know what I mean?
Like I like that's kind of likea criticism that I kind of
agree with that the assault of awoman serves a man's storyline.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know what?
I mean he just sits back, andthat's what happens but like
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
You know, it's a wider criticism of like fantasy
overall and like media, where,like, we don't need to see women
being assaulted on screen.
But I'm just saying, like youknow what I mean.
It's like there's that part ofit that I don't really like.
But anyways, all of this is notthe important part of the
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episode.
There's something that we'regoing to get to right now which
happens at the very, very end.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
And I think it's one of the more shocking moments for
people who don't know what'scoming.
Yeah, it's kind of like a not,it's not red wedding x, but it
just comes out of the blue.
Yeah, and I think it's just soperfect that george makes this
happen.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
But uh, let's listen in real quick you think you're
the smartest man there is?
Let everyone alive has to bowand scrape and lick your boots,
my father.
And if you get in any trouble,all you've got to do is say my
father and that's it All.
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Your troubles are gone.
Don't have you got something tosay?
Careful, you don't want to saythe wrong thing.
You're nothing without yourdaddy.
Your daddy ain't here.
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Never forget that.
This should help you remember,remember, and this should help
you remember.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
So, of course, I've seen many reaction videos for
this scene and people arecompletely like one they're
laughing and they're completelyshocked, and I think this is I
correct me if I'm wrong this isthe only time that the end
credit song is like a modernrock song.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I think so, because it's the bear and the maiden
fair, but it's a rock versionand that's shocking in itself.
Like what is this music?
Like with drums and likeelectric guitars.
It's so out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
And it's like I saw the creators, like showrunners,
talk about as well and like whythey made, made it, why they
chose to make it like a rockversion, because it like
emphasizes the, the shock of themoment, because shocked by
jamie, and then you're shockedagain by the end credits, so
you're still like off balance.
You know something, you're likeoh what.
What if you're watching it orreading it for the first time?
There's no way you see it'scoming, because it's a sword
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hand too.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
I mean this jamie's entire identity to this point is
being regarded as the greatestswordsman currently in westeros
and his skills with the sworddefine him and he has a
reputation as a warrior and hetakes pride in that.
And I just find it so, george rmartin, to take this character
(47:48):
and just remove his greatest uh,I guess what he's so known for
is his skills as a, as a, as awarrior, as a swordsman, and say
you know what?
I'm gonna take that away fromyou.
It's, it's.
It's a painful, like death ofhis former self, like I said,
but also I think it's gonna bethe birth of his more complex
(48:09):
self-aware.
And we're going to get anamazing scene by Nicola
Costo-Waldau and I think in thefifth episode his redemption arc
is slowly beginning.
But yeah, I love the scene, theshock of it, all the music,
everything's perfect.
Before I get to the scene ofthe episode, what would you rate
this episode One?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
out of ten.
I think that for the most part,almost, almost like a filler
episode, because not muchhappens.
Granted, all the things thathappen are essential to move the
story along.
So I'd say maybe like an 8.3.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
So I'm checking the imdb score and imdb which you're
checking, they have 87, which Ithink 8.7 is because of that
last scene of the shock.
Yeah, yeah, I think that givesit a 0.5 boost, I guess.
I think without it you wouldgive it an 8.3, 8.3, or even an
8.
It's still a good score, but Ithink the shock of Jamie's
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losing his sword hand bumps itup, and so I'm going to do 8.5
just because of the sword andbumps it up, and so I'm going to
do 8.5 just because of thesword.
I mean, I love the Danny sceneand I love the introduction of
the Blackfish no, sansan, no,lena.
No.
Who else is not on this episode?
No, those two.
Yeah, bran and Joffrey.
No, beautiful Margaery.
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What about the scene of theepisode?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh, Jamie gets to get his hand cut off.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, I think that has to be it, especially just
that whole build up.
But I do love Rob's scene withEdmure and the Blackfish.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
And I love.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Michelle Farrelly's little story about her father
and Brandon and Rickon.
So I think those are the otherlike the one B.
So then one A is Jamie.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, my second scene would be Danny scolding.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Joel and embarrassing Selmy.
That's going to be a wrap forepisode 63 of the Dancing with
Dragons podcast.
For our next episode, we'regoing to take one episode break
from covering season 3 of Gameof Thrones, and we're going to
take one episode break fromcovering season three of Game of
Thrones and we're going to do astandalone episode.
We don't know what the topic is.
We're going to put a questionprompt on Instagram
dancingwith__dragons and giveyou, the listeners, the option
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to decide what topic we'lldiscuss for that episode.
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for a while.
I have a a new little outrohere meanwhile.
I'm gonna say it, but don'tlaugh, because it's gonna be
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die.
Thank you.
Do you have a name?
This one's name is Missandei.
Your Grace, do you have afamily, a mother and a father
you'd return to if you had thechoice?
No, your Grace.
No family living.
You belong to me now.
It is your duty to tell me thetruth.
Yes, your Grace, lying is agreat offence.
Many of those on the walk ofpunishment were taken there for
(00:21):
less.
I offered water to one of theslaves dying on the walk of
punishment.
Do you know what he said to me?
Let me die.
There are no masters in thegrave.
Your grace, is it true whatMaster Krasinus told me about
the Unsullied, about theirobedience?
All questions have been takenfrom them.
They obey, that is all.
Once they are yours, they areyours.
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They will fall on their swordsif you command it.
And what about you?
You know that I'm taking you towar.
You may go hungry, you may fallsick, you may be killed.
Valar Morghulis, yes, all menmust die, but we are not men.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hello and welcome to Dancing with Dragons, your go-to
podcast for everything relatedto Game of Thrones, house of the
Dragon and the rest of GeorgeRR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire
universe.
My name is Minua and I'm herewith my co-host, tony, and we're
continuing on with our rewatch,recap and analysis of Game of
Thrones, season 3.
Today, we'll be discussingepisode 3, walk of Punishment.
The episode first premiered onHBO on April 14, 2013 and it's
written by our belovedshowrunners David Benioff and DB
(01:39):
Weiss, and it's directed byDavid Benioff.
I hope you got my sarcasm there.
This is actually the firstepisode of the series to be
directed by the showrunnersDavid Benioff and DB Weiss, aka
D&D, but only Benioff iscredited as directing it.
Due to the way the director'sGuild of America rules work,
only one of them can be crediteddirecting it for some reason,
so it went to David Benioff.
In this episode, tyrion is madethe new master of coin, king's
(02:02):
Landing, jon Snow is sent with aband of wildlings, jon is taken
to the fist of the First Men,daenerys makes a deal for the
Unsullied and Astapor, and Jaimeconvinces his captors against
the assault of Brienne.
There's a lot to get into inthis episode, though.
It's written and directed byD&D.
There's actually some prettymemorable, really great moments
in this episode, even though notmuch happens, um, but still, I
(02:25):
can't wait to talk about thisepisode and all the highlights
that it has.
What do you think of theepisode, tony?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
if the first two episodes felt heavy on setup
which kind of did but we enjoyedthese characters, so we're good
with it.
We're now finally sinking ourteeth into the heart of season
three.
The map has expanded to includeriverrun Kat's ancestral home,
where she's attending herfather's funeral, and it's kind
of ironic that at the last sceneof this episode we hear
(02:56):
somebody say you're nothingwithout your father, and he's
not here anymore.
Looking at the way Kat isfeeling and now how rob is
dealing with all the stuff he'sdealing with, you can kind of
link that phrase to them as well, yeah yeah oh, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's so cool because, yeah, as you said, like
the, that sentence wasn't saidto cat or rob, but it resonates
with them still and I I'd makethat connection wow you can feel
it when, again, again, michelleFurley, she's acting her butt
off in this season.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
She has this little scene with her uncle, brendan
Tully, who we get to meet We'llgive him a proper introduction
in a bit and she's telling thethat is what she thinks.
Bran and rick on must have beenfeeling the same way.
(03:49):
And actually let's just startwith the funeral of her dad,
lord hustard tully.
It's actually a somber moment,but there is a brief moment of
levity because her brother yeahwell, actually, um, what they do
for House Tully.
In their house, they have afuneral tradition, which is they
put the body in a boat and theyset it adrift on the Red Fork,
(04:14):
and then they set it on fire byflaming arrow.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, like a Viking.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, like a Viking.
So his ashes will return to theriver which sustains their
lands.
So then you have edmund telly,who I, I do in the future, we
say this, I, we say this so manytimes that we want to focus on
this episode on somebody.
And I do want to focus on himbecause he, he was kind of
turned into a nitwit in thisseries and he's not like that in
(04:41):
the novels.
It's funny because now when Isee this actor, I think of
prince philip, because he playedprince philip in the crowd.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah uh, anyway.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So prince philip was in charge of shooting the arrow
so he couldn't do it.
He took like three.
What was it?
Three, three shots and it'skind of a.
People are not laughing.
Obviously it's a funeral.
They're kind of like it's veryawkward.
Here comes Brandon Tully, oraka the Blackfish, just takes it
, shoots it and just handsEdmure the freaking bow and just
(05:14):
leaves Like he's walking off.
He just dropped the mic andjust left and boom it hits it
perfectly.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And it's not even that it hits it perfectly, but
he turned away before it evenreached the boat.
You know, he was just.
He knew that it would, thathe'd make the shot, and just
didn't even care and dismisseshis nephew in the process.
It's so cool.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's a cool moment because before he pulls back the
arrow, he just looks and hegoes.
A great shot of him looking atthe flag of House, tully or, you
know, the banners and like,okay, the wind is pushing this
way, okay, it just shoots and hejust leaves what I love about
it too is that um, like this,this is the first time that
we're meeting both of thosecharacters, edmure and um
(05:56):
brendan sari, aka the blackfish.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But it's also like a perfect character introduction
as to like what to expect fromthem in the show.
Because you know edmure is likethey're, they're embarrassed
for him, you know he's, he'sthis kind of, as you said, like
a nitwit or something.
Then you have brendan, but theblackfish, who is like very
respected and you know even likehis composure as he like walks
up and like takes that shot, isvery like I don't know it's a
(06:19):
man that knows that he'srespected and has that kind of
powerful.
It's says a lot about I don'tknow, I guess the quality of the
writing of Game of Thrones atthat time, which I miss Back
when Game of Thrones hadexcellent character
introductions.
You know we saw it with Elenain the last episode and then
these two here.
I wish this quality remainedfor the rest of the show.
(06:39):
But anyways, we won't get intothat.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah, with this, I'm going to put this little audio
clip because it sets up who theyare within 15 seconds bearing
upon you.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Shut your mouth about that damn mill.
I don't call him nephew, he'syour king.
Rob knows I meant him.
No, you're lucky, I'm not yourking.
I wouldn't let you wave yourblunders around like a victory
fly.
Blunder sent Tywin's mad dogscurrying back to Casterly Rock
with his tail between his legs.
I think King Robb understandswe're not going to win this war
(07:11):
if he's the only one winning anybattles.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
There's glory enough to go around.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's not about glory.
Your instructions were to waitfor him to come to you.
I seized an opportunity.
What value was the mill?
The mountain was garrisonedacross the river from me.
Is he there now?
Of course not.
We took the fight to him.
He could not withstand us.
I wanted to draw the mountaininto the west, into our country,
(07:36):
where we could surround him andkill him.
I wanted him to chase us, whichhe would have done because he
is a mad dog without a strategicthought in his head.
I could have that head on aspike by now.
Instead, I have a mill.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I'm going to pause it right there really quick.
I think this is Rob at his mostkingly.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes, yes, I agree.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
This is his quote, uncle his senior, I guess.
But the Blackfish.
Just once Rob starts speaking,he goes okay, here you're going
to take it from Rob.
Now he just walks away to letEdmure take his lumps.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And it says something , too, that the Blackfish, as
this respected member of thefamily and this respected knight
in Westeros as well, he doesn'ttalk, as you said, over Rob.
Someone with that level ofauthority and power sees Rob as
someone that has more than thatand makes it clear.
Do you know what I mean?
It says something about Rob and, I guess, his reputation or how
(08:38):
even the powerful guys see him.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, we took hostages Willem Lannister,
martin Lannister.
Willem and Martin Lannister are14 years old.
Martin is 15, I believe TywinLannister has my sisters.
Have I sued for peace?
(09:01):
No.
Do you think he'll sue forpeace because we have his
father's, brother's,great-grandson's?
No.
How many men did you lose?
208.
(09:21):
But for every man we lost theLannisters lost.
We need our men more than Tywinneeds his.
I'm sorry, I didn't know.
You would have Right here todayat this gathering if you had
been patient.
We seem to be running short ofpatience here.
(09:43):
You know who isn't.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Tywin Lannister, I think Brandon, or Brandon
Blackfish.
I think he's referring to theKarstarks as well, because he
says we're running out ofpatience here as well.
I think everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He's kind of speaking for the rest of the Bannermen
as well, not just him, becausewe remember we talked about
Karstark him, him questioningRob that he won, and that's how
(10:21):
he sees it, as it was actually abig mistake Because, when I
actually thought about it,basically it disrupts the entire
Stark strategy.
That's what they say as well.
So they wanted to lure theMountain, trap him.
But because Edmure did what hedid, the Lannister armies were
able to get back to King'sLanding in time for the Battle
of the Blackwater.
If he didn't do that, then theLannisters couldn't have shown
(10:43):
up at the Battle of the BlackWater.
So if Edmure stuck to the plan,then it's highly likely that
Stannis would be sitting on theIron Throne right now.
Like we need to let that sinkin just for a second, like a
like a minor, a seemingly minormistake, because Edmure wanted
glory and thought he was doingthe right thing, led to Stannis
losing the Battle of the blackwater I do want to mention well,
(11:06):
I have, we have a little momentbefore we move on is how
brendan tully got his name theblackfish yeah, yeah, we have to
mention that
Speaker 3 (11:15):
uh, it's because he had a rocky relationship with
his older brother who wascaitlin's father, I guess um
back mostly back in the day, Iguess like 30 years prior, the
Blackfish refused to take partin a marriage alliance with
House Redwine which Hosterproposed for him.
This led Hoster calling him theBlack Sheep of the Tully family
(11:38):
but pointing out that the Tullysymbol is a fish, Brandon
decided that this made him theBlackfish of the Tully family
and instead of hating thatnickname, he took it as a
personal badge of honor and madeit his personal sigil.
And it's normal blue and red ofthe Tully heraldry, but he
(12:01):
replaced the silver fish withthe black one.
That's so him, when you see hischaracter, Like yeah, he would
do that.
But interesting fact is that weget they mentioned, the two
Lannister hostages and one ofthem is called Martin Lannister
and he is played by Dean CharlesChapman, who would be casted
(12:21):
again as Tommen Baratheon.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh, no way, I didn't catch that.
I didn't catch, that was him.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, he's the one that's talking to Talissa.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's Tommen.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Future Tommen.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, future Tommen.
So that's kind of a cool littlething.
I didn't.
Once he comes out for the firsttime, I guess we could look up
on how that all came about.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well, speaking of Tommen, let's go over to where
he and his family currently are,which is King's Landing.
Our first scene in King'sLanding actually has one of my
favorite scenes in Game ofThrones.
I love this scene so so much,so what it is Tywin summoning
his small council for the firsttime.
So this is the first time thathe assembles the small council
(13:03):
since assuming the position ofHand of the King, and it's
mentioned that he has themeeting place changed to
somewhere near his room or hisquarters.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That moving of the small council meeting will come
back to have one of my favoritescenes as well, with Joffrey,
who is one of those scenes thatJoffrey was being logical and
asking the right questions andit's him and Tywin in the throne
room and Joffrey does this.
You moved it to the tower ofthe hand, so now I would have to
walk all the way up there.
But anyway, we'll get to thatscene and I think it's next
episode or the uh, the fifthepisode.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Sorry, I answered okay, no no, I forgot that scene
and so like it's nice, it'sgood that you remind me, because
I completely forgot that.
I didn't realize that this mighthave been a test done by Tywin
until, like this rewatch Usually, of course we see the small
council scenes and all thechairs are.
The way that it's kind of linedup In this meeting is that he's
sitting at the head of the tableand like have three or four
(13:55):
chairs all like lined up on oneside, so there's one side of the
table that's completely empty.
He calls them all in at thesame time, I think, except for
Cersei, and they look at theseating arrangements, they
immediately get that they wantto cozy up to Tywin and see it
as like I'm going to beat you toit.
So Listerfinger sprints to thechair that's closest to Tywin,
(14:17):
varys, kind of wishes it was him, but he doesn't really care at
the same time and acts all sassy.
Doesn't really care at the sametime and acts all sassy and he
rolls his eyes and, uh, justlike passes swiftly, I guess, um
, and acts content to be sittingthe second closest to to tywin.
And then paisel is just likedoing his little turtle walk as
like the old man, like littlestroll it doesn't matter to him
(14:39):
as long as he's in the room.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
He doesn't care like he wants to be there but not
seen or heard.
But I I found this scene sobrilliant because we have close
to three minutes of non-verbal Ilove it and all of what we're
gonna say now is just completely, it's like in silence, it's so,
it's so.
It works perfectly yeah, andit's just a demonstration of
like the power dynamics of thissmall yeah.
(15:02):
So, like tywin doesn't need todemand obedience, his mere
presence, like it forceseverybody to like conform, right
.
So?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
then you have you have bailish.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Like he's so ambitious he's gonna he boom.
He runs to the first chair yeah, like you said varus is like
okay, whatever I, I know where Istand, I don't need to kiss
Tywin's ass.
And then you have Cersei, who'slike I'm going to just pick up
a chair.
Which I just read in the notesis that they made a special
chair for her because thoseother chairs are really heavy.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And they didn't want her dragging the chair, so they
made it so she could just liftit.
And so you have Cersei there.
She's like I'm going to standby my father's side, even though
he I'm basically like his righthand person, but he's always
denies her that official role.
Like he's like whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
And it's like I'm going to makemy place here.
You know what I mean.
Like you're going to conform towhat's available.
I'm going to cement myself andshow you where I am and like
where I could go, like make myown path, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And then Tyrion just openly rejects the idea.
He doesn't care about hispeople's favor and he does the
funny.
He just drags.
He's not going to sit next toPycelle, he's going to make sure
that he sits the furthest awayfrom Tywin.
And then looking straight athim and like he's deliberately
refusing to play along and then,he goes.
Oh, I love what you did withthe chair, Like he's so.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I love it.
I love it Because he's so sassyand I think the sass is also in
like the noise that the chairmakes as he slowly like drags
the chair to that positionbecause he takes his time.
Doing it Like Cersei is justkind of like you know doing it
at a normal pace, little fingerruns and everything time.
Doing it like cersei is justkind of like you know, doing it
at the normal pace, littlefinger runs and everything.
But then tyrian just looks ateveryone and slowly drags the
(16:49):
chair and says it's like rightopposite tywin and I like that.
It's kind of like opposingtywin, you know, showing like
okay, you're all gonna cozy upto him, I'm going against him
and that's a bit offoreshadowing there too and it's
funny because they actually hada meeting about something.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
They were talking about Jimmy's whereabouts and
Littlefinger going to the Valeto marry Liza and them making
Tyrion the Master of CoinBecause he's like, okay, wait a
minute, wait a minute.
If he's leaving, this royalwedding is going to be the most
expensive of all time.
And it's a funny moment becauseI've only only he's like, I've
(17:24):
only I only know how to spendmoney.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, so um that's what I'm telling you like.
This scene shows that game ofthrones can be a comedy, like
we've been mentioning this acouple of times already but it
has these really funny moments.
Um, they want to set him up forfailure.
You know what I mean.
That's why she's so smug aboutit, like, like you know, with
the wedding coming, she's's good.
No one can send her or Tywinanything.
They're going to spend as muchas they want and it's all going
to look like Tyrion's fault.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, let's stay with Tyrion, and he does have a
brief scene with Littlefinger,which Littlefinger mentions to
Tyrion about Podrick.
You owe that squire a lot.
Have you rewarded him?
And Tyrion, you rewarded himand, uh, it seems like I owe him
my life.
And it kind of starts thebeginning of this funny bit that
(18:11):
we get uh with braun and tyrianwith a podrick and they can't,
they're in little fingersbrothel, so you know what that
means.
They take him into a room.
They kind of he introduces allthese different women and
patrick's like just very nervousand Podrick's one of the
sweetest characters, most loyalcharacters in the show, and they
go off.
And then you have Tyrion andBronn speaking about such things
(18:35):
, about the Master of Coin.
Then we have Podrick returning.
You were gone a long time.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I trust you got your money's worth, or should I say
my money's worth?
Oh, it was a gift, podrick.
This is more than I give you ina year.
He's a squire.
You don't pay him?
Oh then it's much more than Igive you in a year.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I won't take it.
Look, maybe they're trying tocurry some favor with the new
master of coin have you everknown a whore to churn down gold
?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
They were happy enough to take it when I gave it
to them.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
What did you tell them?
I didn't tell them anything.
What did you do to them?
Lots of things, and they seemto like these things.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yes, blue, of course they seem to like it.
They're paid to seem to like it, only they weren't paid.
What are you saying?
These ladies enjoyed him somuch they gave him the time for
free.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Is that what you're telling us?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Sit down Podrick we're going to need details,
copious details.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I love this scene because, if you notice that
whole interaction, they neversaid like a bad word, they never
mentioned any acts, sexual actsor anything.
It's just all innuendos andjust him looking very like I did
lots of things.
They never explained whatactually happened.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
And which makes it even funnier we as audiences is
left to imagine what skills ortalents project possesses that
made these professional ladiesrefuse any payment, which just
keeps the joke alive, Like if hewas saying oh, I'm doing this
to them and it's not reallyfunny.
But the fact that it comes froma guy who plays an awkward
(20:33):
humble squire who struggles withmost things, that suddenly he's
like a legendary lover, adds tothe absurdity of the humor.
That's what makes this funny.
It's because it's Podrick.
They never explain anything andit's just perfect comedic
timing by Peter Dinklage ofsaying we need all the details,
(20:54):
please.
Minowaz, being very silentduring this scene, uh,
discussion, that's okay.
Uh, uh, Tyrion says in theladies room, when they're uh
talking to the ladies, uh, thatthere's a contortionist uh
called Kayla.
That is one of four womenthat's known in the world who
(21:18):
can do a proper merinese knot.
Whatever the heck that is, wedon't know what that is right.
But apparently this is a subtle, subtle joke for fans of the
books, because for a song of iceand fire, the merinese knot is
a reference to a complex seriesof plot problems George had for
the fifth novel, Dance withDragons, which delayed the book
for a few years.
(21:38):
So they used that Meronese Knotline into the show, which I
thought was pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Okay, so, since I don't talk about scenes like
that, let's move on to acharacter that I love to talk
about, and that's Arya, acharacter that I love to talk
about.
And that's Arya, so, kind ofgoing back to the Riverlands
area where we started theepisode.
There's a very sweet scene thatshe has kind of saying farewell
to Hot Pie, who bakes her breadin the shape of a dire wolf
(22:05):
because he doesn't want tobasically go on with the
brotherhood of banners.
They stopped at an inn and theinnkeeper basically loved his
baking so much that I think sheasked him to stay, or like he
asked to stay, but anyways, he'sstaying there, regardless of
the perfect taste for him.
And he's like I'm not comingwith you guys, like I'm just
gonna stay here and make mybread.
And he baked her the bread inthe shape of a dire wolf, which
is so sweet and and you know,and she, she eats and she's like
(22:27):
it's really good.
And that's the last thing thatshe says to him.
I love reading into things abit too much, but he says I'm
not a Stark of Winterhall.
And then she says Winterfell,and I thought it was interesting
because it shows that, like alot of the people that don't
really live close to like theLords, you know what I mean.
Like if you don't live right byWinterfell, if you're not, if
(22:48):
your house or the, the housethat you serve, isn't like one
of their like bannermen you knowwhat I mean then you then shows
that there's still a bit of adisconnect between like yeah, I
mean especially for a lowborn ora commoner like hot pilot, he,
he's not gonna know the historyof westeros.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And can you imagine all those kids who live in like
uh, flea bottom?
They don't know anything aboutwinter hell, or they just hear
passing.
What makes this uh scene reallysweet is that aria wants to say
, wants to give hot pie, like ajab gandry like kind of stops
(23:26):
her because she she's urging tosay something sarcastic.
And then she goes oh okay, thankyou, thank you, like, but she
really wanted to say something.
I felt there was a heartfeltscene at the farewell, but I
love that he says, uh, don't getstabbed.
And he goes yeah, don't burnyour fingers.
Also with the scene, it's kindof a powerful full circle moment
(23:51):
.
This is the same in where thehound, uh, kills the baker's boy
, micah, after joffrey's attack.
Uh, this is like a definingmoment of aria losing her
innocence right after that.
But it's kind of a ironic twistthat she finds herself in a
situation that now the hound isa captive and the hot pie takes
(24:11):
micah's place as the new kind ofbaker.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah, true, yeah, I think that's just like
I wanted to add as well, andthat's why she tells him do you
remember the last time you werehere and the hound doesn't?
I actually just read thatchapter in the book and he
didn't remember killing Michael,I think he briefly did.
(24:37):
He didn't really acknowledge it.
So, yeah, so with that, let'smove on from Arya to someone
that Arya really likes andsomeone very close to her, and
that's Jon.
So Jon is still with the FreeFolk and they've arrived at the
Fist of the First Men, which isa landmark in the wilderness
beyond the Wall.
It's an ancient ring fort thatexisted before the Targaryens
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defeated the Andals, before theAndals took Westeros from the
First Men, so it's likethousands and thousands of years
before the events of Game ofThrones.
It's a very historical placeand it's a landmark deep in
Wilding territory.
Its strategic positioning makesit one of the more defensible
positions that the Night's Watchcan use north of the Wall.
Strategic positioning makes itone of the more defensible
positions that the Night's Watchcan use north of the wall, and
they use it to also orientthemselves as a possible
fallback position in casethey're fighting the Wildlings.
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So I believe that Mance wentthere because they heard that
the Night's Watch was there,right, yeah, so when they make
their way there.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I'm sorry, no, I was going to say that that's where
Sam and the crew found thedragonglass first of the first.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh yeah, manson, the wildlings find something in this
episode as well.
In that location they findbasically the corpses of the
horses of the night's watcharranged in like a spiral
pattern, and man's like looks onit and he says, like always the
artist referring to the whitewalkers, because as we know from
game of thrones season one, um,that's how the White Walkers
kind of arrange these spiralpatterns and they're dead and
you know that's their callingcard yeah, their calling card,
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and lots of theories stemmedfrom this but ultimately ended
up to mean like not much, just,I guess, just their calling card
and nothing else.
Mance and the Wildings talkabout the Night's Watch members
that were probably there, andthey assume that those men
turned into wights or likethey're all dead now.
So I think that that makes themthink that they're more ready
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or that they can attack the wallas soon as possible.
Like that's it.
Most of them are gone.
They think that your Mormont isdead as well.
So they kind of feel more.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
They feel ready now to like, attack the Night's
Watch and I think he's, uh,rightly assuming that that
mormon, if he was ranging so farnorth that he would take only
his best men out there, and hegoes now.
They lost all their bestfighters.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Now we can attack so then that's why man sells
torment to take like 20 peopleplus Jon to scale the wall to
attack Castle Black and distractthe Night's Watch, while
Mance's main army would attackfrom the north, from another
location, and Mance's army islike huge.
It seems like an easy win whenyou think of it this way.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
And then I think Tormund says something like oh,
they're finally going to war.
So it's like a big moment forthem.
And then I think Tormund sayssomething like oh, they're
finally going to war.
So it's like a big moment forthem.
And the reason that they'retaking Jon with them is because
he knows the layout of CastleBlack.
It will end up being like atest of his loyalty, to see if
he betrays the Night's Watch ornot, and if he betrays them,
then Tormund can easily justthrow him off the wall.
That's what they say.
So it's actually, though.
The Wildlings think that theNight's Watch members are dead.
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They are not.
They end up going to Craster'sKeep for safety, just for the
night or something.
Not much really happens, it'sjust typical Craster.
You know Craster-ness, I guess.
But the relevant, the moreimportant part of this scene is
that we see Gilly giving birthto her baby, and it's a boy.
That character is obviouslygoing to be appearing in the
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show.
Uh, moving forward, but therewas something that I just wanted
to pinpoint.
Uh, sam sees ghosts.
Ghost kind of refuses to entercraster's keep.
In the book it's actually a bitdifferent, because I'm reading
the book now, um, but the ghostis actually with john while john
is with the wild things, andthen john sends him back to sam
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and to the night's watch membersas like a warning sign, kind of
like that's the most that hecould do.
So he just hoped that that'swhat, that they would understand
something.
And moving on from that, we haveto talk about a character that
I am kind of refusing to watchthis season just because the
scenes are a bit much.
But what?
This episode is fine, so I'mgoing to talk about it, and it's
theon.
In this episode he kind ofescapes the torture that he was
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in from the previous episodewith the help of a young man who
gives him a horse and tells himto ride east.
And then he's captured andassaulted.
Mysterious young man who westill don't know if this is the
first time watching it rescueshim and kind of calls Theon like
oh my lord, and whatever.
So that's what that is, eventhough we know who that
mysterious young man is.
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And re-watching it now justmakes the whole thing harder to
watch, like I can't.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I can't I watched this whole thing and all I think
I thought it was one word andthat's just sadistic of what
ramsay is doing to him, likejust the mind games and mental
torture that he's going to puttheon through.
It's going to be tough to getthrough, especially when he
removes something from his body.
But yeah, that's the only thingI have for this scene here.
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That was a short little timewith Theon and Ramsey, and we
have another little short scenewith a couple of characters
Stannisisandra and uh, for thislittle quick scene, I found
stannis to be sounding sodesperate and his come-ons to
malisandra were creepy very yeah, he's very creepy because he's
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basically like telling misssundry, like don't go, I want
you with me.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
It is his desperation , but it's also his fear that,
like when she leaves, somethingwill happen to him.
Like that's very clear in hiseyes because she says that she
needs to go where the fires takeher.
All he's thinking about is likehis loss and how he wants
another son when he's and that'swhat he says another son, the
first son being the one thatkilled Renly, that like shadow
son.
But she kind of like answers bysaying that you know, like I
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can't do that again because itwould kill you.
And she explains that what shehas in store is even going to be
more powerful than that shadowsun that they produced.
Like she kind of implies thatshe's going to do like a human
sacrifice type of thing.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Like the Lord of Light, demands sacrifices.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yes, yeah, and that she needs the king's blood.
That's not Stannis'.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
No, I'll say that she does put out his fire, his lust
, because she just gives him theyour fire has run low my king
Like she can't.
That had a triple meaning, Ithink.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
For you maybe.
But yeah, I kind of think thatwas funny or like interesting
how they both mentioned that youknow he's the righteous king,
like you know.
And it just brings me back tothat edmure thing, like if, if
only edmure wasn't so stupid,then he literally could be
sitting on the iron throne rightnow, like it's literally not
even his fault.
Okay, let's move on from theboring character of stanley or
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stannis, and I'm just sayingthat because I can finally talk
about daenerys, my girl.
Um, she has an amazing scenethis episode.
We see her walk along the walkof punishment and ask support,
kind of like this this walkwayalong the, the sea where any
slave who showed insubordinationof any type is then just like
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strapped to a cross and left todie out in public as a warning
to all other slaves who daredisobey.
Um, it breaks danny's heartseeing this and how it's like
very normalized in astapor andshe offers, like a man, someone,
like a slave, water but herefuses to drink, saying that he
just wants to die because, asmasandi said in the clip we
included in the beginning ofthis episode, they just see it
as a relief because they won'thave any master that's such a
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powerful line and it's so sadit's like, you know, the grave
has no master.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
It's those things you hear about when slaves are
being transferred from, you know, west africa to the caribbean,
or that they would just throwthemselves into the sea.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
They would rather just die than be a slave and
like we can see the, the likewheels in her head turning when
she sees this and when she hearsit, because she's seeing it
with her eyes.
But beside her she has thesetwo men.
One is saying like, is pro theAnsarid and the other one is
anti buying the Ansarid.
So the pro is Jorah and theperson that's anti or against
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buying the Ansarid is BaristanSalmi.
And Jorah says that, you know,because he says that the slave
soldiers would be treated betterin her service.
Innocent people will also bespared in the war, because the
Ansarid only do as they'reordered and they have no human
or masculine urges in theirbodies.
That's what that.
And they won't kill or assaultinnocent women and children and
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people, unlike most malesoldiers who would do that in in
battle or in war.
Um, and then you have barisonwho, like says the the good, I
guess, con of buying it, whichis that they won't really
believe in her, and that'ssomething that means a lot to
danny too, and that's why, likeyou can see that the plan that
she's concocting here, like okay, how can I get them?
Or like, get an army, but alsomake them believe in me so that
they're actually loyal to me andhow can I make a change in
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Astapor at the same time?
So that's why she's thinking,oh okay, so like maybe I can
free them and then see if theybelieve in me.
And yeah so.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I also love this scene because it gives Barristan
a chance to mention Rhaegar andhow people follow him, because
they love him and they believedin him and they died for him,
not because they were paid to orthey were bought.
And she's just like askingquestions about her brother and
how was he really like?
And he's just he's the bestbest man I ever met.
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It starts that process of.
Was rager really, this evilperson that raped and tortured
liana?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
and we know that, uh, barrison said he's an honorable
man.
So if he's been compared tosomeone like Ned Stark, so if
someone that's very honorableand that great of like a person
is in support of Rhaegar, itkind of makes it lessens the
credibility, I guess, of thoseother people that of course hate
him for many other reasons.
You know what I mean Like theLannisters and everyone else
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they have.
I guess, like Robert has areason to hate Lyanna, not
Lannisters, you know what I mean.
So he's going to spread thetale of Rhaegar.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
And so far Barristan seems to be like a what do you
say?
A foil to Jorah, becauseeverything Jorah says, barristan
comes back and be like well,what about?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
this queen.
And he's a needed presence,because I illustrated this in my
notes no-transcript books and Ijust see him on screen now and
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I can't.
And he annoyed me when he toldher um, if you want to sit on
the throne your ancestors built,you must win it.
That means blood on your handsbefore the thing is done, duh,
duh.
She knows that.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
She knows that she just wants to and she says blood
of my enemies, not of theinnocent yes, yes so I think,
this was written by dnd because,oh yeah, and I think that
krasnick.
What was his name?
Krasnick?
krasnick monaclose okay he'ssuch a vile, disgusting and I
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don't know if anybody who hadn'tseen the show and not read the
material if they knew that.
Because daenerys is kind oflike looking straight face every
single word he says he'sinsulting her and she's just
like does the perfect acting jobof of just looking at Missandei
and just kind of like smiling,saying, yeah, that's not what he
said, by the way, becauseMissandei's job is to make it
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clean it up.
But it feels like in thisepisode so far, like Daenerys in
this season hasn't doneanything and we've seen her two
episodes.
We're laying the groundworkslowly with her.
You have to set up thisso-called power move.
She has to get soldiers.
She can't just wait until herdragons are grown because she
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doesn't know, we don't know howlong it's going to take.
It might take years and by thetime that happens she can be
assassinated.
You know it has to.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
She has to move quickly yeah, and she has to
seize this opportunity.
The ethical, uh like dilemma ofit is directly addressed, but
of course she thinks of a way tonavigate through it that no
other person can think of.
But just on that note, you saidabout Missandei.
I think that the reason, likethat's why Daenerys makes her
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part of the deal as well,because Missandei is not
translating the horrible thingsbeing said about Dani.
She was a slave at that point.
She doesn't want to beservicing Krasnus and if she was
loyal to him then she'd betranslating word for word.
She wouldn't care what he'ssaying about Dani.
We can see it in her eyes thatshe's sympathetic towards Dani
and Dani is sympathetic towardsher, so that's, and they both
recognize that.
So that's why Missandeimistranslates and that's why
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Dani, um, like basically wantsher.
And I just wanted to make thatone point about Jorah and his
opinion on the Unsullied um,when he's saying all that he's
saying, he never actually saysthat he's against slavery.
Do you know what I mean?
Like he, they'll be treatedbetter in your service, like
this is a good condition forthem, but he never thinks of
them serving her as free men.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, and and the point that Iwas trying to make is that this
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is what concerns danny, most ofus, that at the end of the day,
they're slaves, and that's whatbarryson time is trying to say
as well, and jorah isn'trealizing that that's like, like
, just the nature of it iswhat's uh, is what's wrong.
He just he, he just sees it's abetter condition, yeah, but
they're still they're stillslaves.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, he forgets about why he was banished by Ned
Stark.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's the irony.
That's the irony.
He hasn't learned his lessonbecause he is, as you said,
banished because he was a slaver, and it's just he still doesn't
realize that that's what'swrong.
Plan was already in her headthe second that she met up with
Krasnus again and says that shewants to buy all 8,000 soldiers
and I love the scene that shehas, like directly afterwards,
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because when she says that andshe says, okay, I'll give you my
dragon, the biggest one, likedone deal and everything.
Both Barristan and Jor likespeak up loudly against her like
they, they protest in front ofeverybody saying Khaleesi, my
queen, you cannot do this.
And she looks so furious and Ilove how she scolds them later
on and tells them, like don'tyou dare question me in front of
strangers ever again.
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I love that scene, tony, somuch because it's so, dan, she's
like I know what I'm going todo.
I don't want you to know whatI'm going to do.
You just have to trust me andthis is, in a way, like my test
to you, like you have tounderstand me, you have to to
support me and trust that I'mgoing to do the right thing
funny enough when I see her saythat it for some reason I think
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of vita corleone talking totalking to sunny when he tells
them when they meet natalia forthe first time yes, yes, he goes
don't you ever speak, and whenwe're talking, like in front of
the family, you know, she giveshim that that talking to.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
But I love the fact when she does tell that to baron
and jorah, they just they don'tsay a word.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
They just kind of like step back and go, oh okay
yeah, they acknowledge that theykind of screwed up but the
purchase of the unsullied aside,like not the actual purchase,
but you know what I mean.
Like deal aside, there'sactually a very important scene
that's happened in this episodeand that's in our Brienne and
Jamie storyline.
So let's go back to theRiverlands where they are
picking up, where the lastepisode or left off or the last
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time we've seen them.
They've officially beencaptured by Roose Bolton's and
there's a nice little Easter eggin the scene because as they're
riding along, the men or likeone man I think is singing the
song the Bear and Maiden Fair,which is a very popular
in-universe song in Westeros.
It has a number of appearancesin Game of Thrones and it's even
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sung in House of the Dragon.
It's the song that's playedduring the end credits as well,
but like a rock and roll versionof the song, and the man
singing it in the scene isactually played by Gary
Lightbody, the frontman of theband Snow Patrol, who makes a
cameo appearance here.
So that's kind of a nice littleEaster egg for you there.
I could go on about the songbecause, as I said, it's like a
known, one of the most famoussongs that we know that's in
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universe.
But I'll leave that aside fornow, as episode seven of season
three is actually titled afterthe song the baron maiden fair.
So we'll cross that bridge whenwe get to it and let's just
talk about the scene, because Ihave something I want to say.
As I said, jamie and brian arelike tied up on this horse.
Um, I think they have like abrief conversation, but what
jamie was trying to tell her, orlike what he was telling her
for the most part, is that hetells her like look, when we
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camp for the night, if they wantto assault you, uh, don't
resist and don't fight, becauseyou're just gonna end up dead.
Jamie was like I'm the valuablehostage here.
They don't want you, you'rejust some woman to them.
Uh.
So that was him kind of likeadvising her.
In the book we actually get likethe because it's a pov chapter,
we get to see a strain ofthoughts as well.
So before he says that hethinks if I were a woman I'd be
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cersei, and then.
But he says out loud if I werea woman I'd make them kill me,
but I'm not.
So I thought that that was veryinteresting.
I think it kind of revealsJaime's kind of views on like
men and women, because he's kindof telling Brienne like you
should let let this thing happento you, let this horrible thing
happen to you.
He sees himself as like a manthat's like probably still
stronger than Brienne and couldfight and win his way out, or
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something.
He says you know, it'shonorable for me if I die during
it.
It's not honorable for youbeing a woman.
You have to accept that this isa part of your reality.
But he wouldn't.
I don't know.
It's kind of like misogynisticthinking kind of at that point
because he doesn't really get it.
But I also think that when hesays in the book he thinks if I
were a woman I'd be Cersei, Thenhe thinks that if Cersei was in
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this position she'd make themkill her.
So he kind of understands thatCersei would too.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
I think we kind of know what Cersei would do,
because she was almost in thatposition.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
She basically was she was assaulted by Robert too,
though.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
And also she thought that Stannis was going to sack
the city.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
And you know what?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Stannis was going to sack the city and you know what
Stannis and his men was going todo to her and she was like I'm
not going to let that happen,I'm just going to drink this
poison and kill myself.
I'd rather do that.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
He was saying all that, but I think he was
actually concerned for herBecause if he was like evil,
he'd be like well, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
And you can see that he knew.
He saw the writing on the wallwhen they came tonight.
And Locke, who was like okay,just take her back there, I'm
just going to when I get her allready, and whatever he says,
you boys can do what you have todo, and he kind of just thinks
on the fly like hey, by the way,she's the daughter of so-and-so
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, you know, house of Tarth, andthey have all this wealth there
and these gems, and so I thinkthat was jamie's kind of way of
you know, I don't like you, butI think you're honorable and I
don't.
I don't think you should be.
I have to go through that um oh, definitely.
This is horrendous accent,because he's probably seen it in
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war.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
He's been in war, he's probably I don't know, I
and I don't, I.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I don't think Jaime's ever taken a part of that
because he's so loyal to Cersei.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
At this point that he doesn't want to see that happen
to her.
He cares for her and I think,even though I said everything I
said, this is Jaime changing.
This is Jaime being away fromCersei.
We know that Jaime's a greatcharacter, so's like a lightness
and a darkness within him.
So we see like the darknesskind of fade away as he fades
away from Cersei, like goes likeand stays further away from her
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.
So this is kind of that likethat's his better side, coming
through and saving Brienne, andit's not about the Sapphire Isle
, the reason that he says thatlike Tarth is called the
Sapphire Isle but it's um forhow, how blue the the sea is.
Uh, the waters are in tarth.
So she mentions that to him inthe book.
I don't know if she does infuture episode, but like I had a
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bit of time before we recordedum today, so I was like going
through all of these like postson social media of like that's
for years that are years old,about people talking about the
scene, and it just makes me wantto do that for every episode,
because I saw lots of peopletalking about feminist things
that I mentioned about Brienneand Jamie, like when Jamie was
saying that, like you know, youshould give your life.
I'm fine, but I forgot whichcomments mentioned it, so I wish
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I could give them credit maybenext time.
But there were a couple ofpeople actually that mentioned
how it's kind of wrong thatbrienne's assault is used to
kind of serve jamie.
Do you know what I mean?
Like a woman is gettingassaulted in the story and it's
only purpose.
Like I'm not gonna say it hasto be for a purpose.
Obviously it's like a horriblething but it's just.
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It's just there for jamie to bea good person.
Do you know what I mean?
Like I like that's kind of likea criticism that I kind of
agree with that the assault of awoman serves a man's storyline.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You know what?
I mean he just sits back, andthat's what happens but like
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
You know, it's a wider criticism of like fantasy
overall and like media, where,like, we don't need to see women
being assaulted on screen.
But I'm just saying, like youknow what I mean.
It's like there's that part ofit that I don't really like.
But anyways, all of this is notthe important part of the
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episode.
There's something that we'regoing to get to right now which
happens at the very, very end.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
And I think it's one of the more shocking moments for
people who don't know what'scoming.
Yeah, it's kind of like a not,it's not red wedding x, but it
just comes out of the blue.
Yeah, and I think it's just soperfect that george makes this
happen.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
But uh, let's listen in real quick you think you're
the smartest man there is?
Let everyone alive has to bowand scrape and lick your boots,
my father.
And if you get in any trouble,all you've got to do is say my
father and that's it All.
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Your troubles are gone.
Don't have you got something tosay?
Careful, you don't want to saythe wrong thing.
You're nothing without yourdaddy.
Your daddy ain't here.
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Never forget that.
This should help you remember,remember, and this should help
you remember.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
So, of course, I've seen many reaction videos for
this scene and people arecompletely like one they're
laughing and they're completelyshocked, and I think this is I
correct me if I'm wrong this isthe only time that the end
credit song is like a modernrock song.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
I think so, because it's the bear and the maiden
fair, but it's a rock versionand that's shocking in itself.
Like what is this music?
Like with drums and likeelectric guitars.
It's so out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
And it's like I saw the creators, like showrunners,
talk about as well and like whythey made, made it, why they
chose to make it like a rockversion, because it like
emphasizes the, the shock of themoment, because shocked by
jamie, and then you're shockedagain by the end credits, so
you're still like off balance.
You know something, you're likeoh what.
What if you're watching it orreading it for the first time?
There's no way you see it'scoming, because it's a sword
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hand too.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
I mean this jamie's entire identity to this point is
being regarded as the greatestswordsman currently in westeros
and his skills with the sworddefine him and he has a
reputation as a warrior and hetakes pride in that.
And I just find it so, george rmartin, to take this character
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and just remove his greatest uh,I guess what he's so known for
is his skills as a, as a, as awarrior, as a swordsman, and say
you know what?
I'm gonna take that away fromyou.
It's, it's.
It's a painful, like death ofhis former self, like I said,
but also I think it's gonna bethe birth of his more complex
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self-aware.
And we're going to get anamazing scene by Nicola
Costo-Waldau and I think in thefifth episode his redemption arc
is slowly beginning.
But yeah, I love the scene, theshock of it, all the music,
everything's perfect.
Before I get to the scene ofthe episode, what would you rate
this episode One?
Speaker 2 (48:28):
out of ten.
I think that for the most part,almost, almost like a filler
episode, because not muchhappens.
Granted, all the things thathappen are essential to move the
story along.
So I'd say maybe like an 8.3.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
So I'm checking the imdb score and imdb which you're
checking, they have 87, which Ithink 8.7 is because of that
last scene of the shock.
Yeah, yeah, I think that givesit a 0.5 boost, I guess.
I think without it you wouldgive it an 8.3, 8.3, or even an
8.
It's still a good score, but Ithink the shock of Jamie's
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losing his sword hand bumps itup, and so I'm going to do 8.5
just because of the sword andbumps it up, and so I'm going to
do 8.5 just because of thesword.
I mean, I love the Danny sceneand I love the introduction of
the Blackfish no, sansan, no,lena.
No.
Who else is not on this episode?
No, those two.
Yeah, bran and Joffrey.
No, beautiful Margaery.
(49:26):
What about the scene of theepisode?
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh, Jamie gets to get his hand cut off.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, I think that has to be it, especially just
that whole build up.
But I do love Rob's scene withEdmure and the Blackfish.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
And I love.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Michelle Farrelly's little story about her father
and Brandon and Rickon.
So I think those are the otherlike the one B.
So then one A is Jamie.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, my second scene would be Danny scolding.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
Joel and embarrassing Selmy.
That's going to be a wrap forepisode 63 of the Dancing with
Dragons podcast.
For our next episode, we'regoing to take one episode break
from covering season 3 of Gameof Thrones, and we're going to
take one episode break fromcovering season three of Game of
Thrones and we're going to do astandalone episode.
We don't know what the topic is.
We're going to put a questionprompt on Instagram
dancingwith__dragons and giveyou, the listeners, the option
(50:22):
to decide what topic we'lldiscuss for that episode.
So that'll be up soon.
Well, once you hear this, uh,that prompt will already been up
for a while.
I have a a new little outrohere meanwhile.
I'm gonna say it, but don'tlaugh, because it's gonna be
really cheesy okay, all right.
(50:44):
so I'm gonna to follow us onsocial media, like I mentioned,
dancing with underscore dragons,but whichever platform you use
for your podcast, please do us afavor to rate, like and save
the episodes for us.
It does help us out.
Until next time, keep yoursword sharp, your ravens fast
and remember, when you play theGame of Thrones, you win or you
(51:06):
die.
Thank you.
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