May 7, 2025 • 43 mins
In episode 64 of the Dancing with Dragons podcast, we dissect and review Daenerys Stormborn's arrival as she reveals her master plan in Astapor. In one breathtaking sequence, she demonstrates why she's a revolutionary force to be reckoned with—commanding her dragon with a single word and transforming from a woman seeking an army into a liberator who inspires willing followers. The iconic "Dracarys" scene represents everything that makes Game of Thrones exceptional storytelling: shocking twists that somehow feel inevitable in retrospect. Tony & Minwa also unpack Olenna's discussions with Varys and Cersei. Cersei stands up to Tywin. We see a mutiny unfold in the Night's Watch, the return of Beric Dondarrion, and Jamie wallows in pity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You want to cut my throat Get on with it, but don't
call me murderer and pretendthat you're not.
You murdered Micah thebutcher's boy, my friend.
He was 12 years old.
He was unarmed and you rode himdown.
You slung him over your horselike he was some deer.
Aye, he was a bleeder.
(00:22):
You don't deny killing this boy.
I was Joffrey's sworn shield.
The boy attacked the prince.
That's a lie.
I hit Joffrey, micah just ranaway.
Then I should have killed you,not my place to question princes
.
You stand accused of murder,but no one here knows the truth
(00:43):
of the charge, so it is not forus to judge you, only the Lord
of Light.
We do that now.
I sentence you to trial bycombat.
So who will it be?
Should we find out if your fireGod really loves you?
Priest?
Are you Archer or you worthwith a sword in your hand, or is
(01:08):
the little girl the bravest onehere?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
She might be, but it's me, you'll find.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Welcome back to Dancing with Dragons, your
podcast guide to the world ofWesteros and beyond.
I'm Tony, and with me is myalways insightful co-host, minwa
.
Today, we're diving into one ofthe most pivotal episodes of
Game of Thrones, season 3,episode 4, and now his watch is
ended.
This is the episode whereloyalty shifts, power is seized
(01:54):
and one watch truly does come toan end.
We'll unpack the themes ofbetrayal, power and liberation
and break down this episode thatsets the stage of some of the
series' most iconic arcs.
Whether you're a first-timewatcher or a seasoned veteran of
the Seven Kingdoms, you're infor a rich conversation.
Okay, manuela, it feels likeages since I've talked to you.
(02:15):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm good, Tony.
How are you?
It does feel like longer than amonth since we last recorded, I
think.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes, it's been.
You know, a lot of things hashappened the last month.
We usually we're trying torecord every two weeks, but life
is happening work, otherpersonal stuff and we had to
kind of take a little break,which is fine, it's.
We're not under some deadlineto release these episodes, but
people are enjoying it.
So I kind of feel bad that it'staking so long for this episode
to come out, because this isthe one episode that we've been
clamoring for or so excited tocover, and it's just, man, it's
(02:49):
almost four and a half weeks,but we're here and I finally
want to say congratulations, andI'll let you say why.
I'm saying congratulations.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Okay, so don't get your hopes up too much, because
it was kind of like homework forme.
But drum roll, I finishedreading Storm of Swords and I
wanted to keep it until werecorded so that I could
surprise Tony and get his likeauthentic reaction.
But I just I couldn't helpmyself because I wanted to post
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about some of my story.
I wanted to, I don't know, Iwas just too excited because at
that point, when I had messagedhim and told him that I finished
reading Storm of Swords, andwhen I posted it on my story,
it's already been a few days andI was like I can't take it any
longer.
I will have to share witheveryone that I'm making
progress and I'm done with bookthree and I far uh, I don't
(03:42):
think that I did predict that.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, I remember you said predicting
that, and I remember you saidonce you start reading this this
is a really like a binge read,because there's so much stuff
and you realize when you'rereading it's like wow, this is
all season four yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So I was thinking like, wow, they really like I
don't know.
I was watching, re-watchingthis episode, episode um four of
season three, and already I waslike this is so close to the
events of season four in thebooks and how did they like fill
up those episodes?
You know, now I'm more curiousto see like the journey from
here to the red wedding to thepurple wedding, because it's so
(04:19):
so fast in the book.
But I did already start, likethe first two chapters of A
Feast for crows.
So I'm making progress, becauseI had that one nightmare once.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No, really I read I read two chapters I was going to
say that the feast for crows isone of those that people are.
It's a big debate on like it'sthe least favorite of people,
but it's still good.
Like there's so many differentpovs that you're gonna come off
from.
You're like who's this, who'sthat, who's this?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
you know so already in the beginning.
It started with like thecaptain of the guards and then
you find out it's like a randomcaptain of the guards and door
and I'm like, oh, this is randombut I like it.
So I'll keep you guys updateduh, but let's get.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Let's get rolling with this episode.
It premiered april 13, 2013.
Directed by alex graves,written by db weiss and david
benioff.
Episode is titled and now hiswatch is ended.
It refers to a phrase commonlyused at the end of a eulogy in a
funeral for the member of theNight's Watch.
Symbolically, it signifies LordCommander Jor-Mormon's death in
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this episode, which for me, wasa shocker when I first read it,
and I'm sure it was a shockerfor many people for the show.
One quick note is that RobCatelyn Stannis, jon Ygritte,
does not appear in this episode.
Catelyn does appear momentarily, but it's in Bran's dream.
She's telling him not to climb,which is a callback to the
first episode of the series, soI don't really count that as her
(05:53):
being in the episode.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Okay.
So the last episode ended withJaime's hand being cut off.
That was another shocker of theseason, and the episode I'm
pretty sure it opens opens rightwith um, the shot of his hand
hanging around his neck, aroundjamie's neck, and it's just, oh,
it's like a harsh reminderbecause we almost still can't
believe it.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm sure it's kind of gaveoff, that feeling of like, is
(06:17):
this, like, did this reallyhappen?
You know it's like then theywon't start the next episode
with yes, it did, and this iswho he is now, and they're still
prisoners and he's tortured andbeat up, and it's another shock
, I think.
And I think this is where webegin to feel bad for him.
This is when Jamie's characterkind of takes a turn,
momentarily, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
No, I'm glad this episode kicked off with this
because it's a continuation ofthe last one and it's a pivotal
scene and moment.
It's an immediate follow-up andwe get to check in with the now
mutilated Kingslayer, who wentfrom bad to worse in this
episode and now he's forced towear his rotting hand around his
neck like a grotesque ornament.
(07:01):
From there it's just moredisgusting events Mud like horse
urine, he's drinking.
He's so thirsty that he doesn'trealize he's drinking that and
he's vomiting.
And the worst possible conditionI think, brienne, she first
tells him that she's gratefulthat I don't know she's telling
that, but insinuates that she'sgrateful that he lied about, you
(07:22):
know, her home island beingfilled with riches, which is
something being sympathetictowards him.
But then she turns and just islike stop being a little bitch,
basically saying, but here's onething that I was going to ask
you.
She says, and I said, oh,meanwhile I probably didn't like
that line.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He goes you're being such a woman, or something like
that you're being such a womanor acting like a woman, because
he was like upset about his hand.
Yeah, he's like wallowing inpity.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And now you know we get her point.
I still think that anyone whogets their hand chopped off,
noble or peasant, should beallowed to be sad about it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Still, I know it's been a while since I've seen the
episode and I had time to thinkit's over, but I still don't
know how I feel about that line.
Even like I re-watched a bit ofit again, like for the second
or third time today, and whenshe said that I just kind of
went.
I don't really know how I feelabout it, because a part of me
doesn't like it, because it'slike, oh, this is tapping into
brian's um, you know, like shealways wants to feel masculine
(08:23):
and like you know, like I don'tknow, like, is this actually
Brienne?
But then another part of me issaying is this just her trying
to, like, snap Jaime out of it?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
For Jaime's sake.
I think that she said that.
Yeah, but at least they haveeach other for now.
I think they're both thinkingthat.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I do want to credit D&D here that they actually
devote some time to Jamie andBrienne.
Many of the non-King's Landingstorylines, you know, have been
relegated to quick one-scenecheck-ins.
You know, during the first fewepisodes, treatment would have
(09:01):
robbed their arc of that cruciallike momentum, and instead this
episode deepens ourunderstanding you know we hate
to admit it at first of jamie'strue character, I hit the iron
price for him to fall.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Murdered those boys?
The star boys never found them,just some poor orphans living
with the farmer.
I let Dagmar slit their throatsand I let him burn the bodies
so I could keep Winterfell andmake my father proud.
(09:41):
Maybe it's not too late.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It is my real father lost his head at King's Landing.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I made a choice and I chose wrong, and now I've
burned everything down noteverything, my lord that audio
clip you heard was from theinteraction we hear between
Theon and Ramsey in this sceneand it's almost like sorry to
(10:24):
our audience and our listenersfor doing this, but we're
starting with like one kind ofcruel and an easy thing or like
topic and plot line to another,because it's in this episode
where we kind of actually seewho Ramsey is and how he's kind
of just the creepy, psychoticvillain that he is.
I know that that's not what wehear in the audio, but I just
(10:46):
have to start there because Iwanted to continue that cruelty
talk that we had, but at thetime I'm sorry, at the moment we
still don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
that's Ramsay.
He's like an unknown hero.
He's like we don't know thatthe audience still doesn't know.
That's Ramsay To Dion.
He's somebody who's helping himout, Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
He's a hero.
He's like a hero to Theon.
I just jumped a little becausethat's how I wrote it in my
notes, just that you know, it'sthe topics I wrote under the
Jaime scene and I connected thattheme of it being like to us
that all of this, everythingthat we've seen Theon go through
so far, is a ruse conducted byRamsay.
Theon's entire escape, you know, like when Ramsay was acting as
(11:42):
this noble hero, is just like aprank and it's just like
another form of torture andtoying with him and playing with
his mind.
So and I kind of feel thatmaybe at first we don't feel
that bad for Dion which isinteresting because he starts
out as a good guy, whereas Jamiestarts out as a bad guy but
then we feel for Jamie and wedon't feel.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He was a good guy.
Yeah, we were still annoyedwith him because he was arrogant
and brash and not, you know,not a humble person.
We didn't realize he was goingto betray Rob, but before that
he was just like shut up.
Why are you talking?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You're on our side.
You're a good guy, I guessbecause you're with us.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But shut up.
Yeah, but going back to what yousaid and the audio clip itself,
I do that, I think, kind ofmakes us feel for theon, which
is when he is vulnerable for thefirst time, the entire show,
and expresses his regrets.
We in part feel for him, but wealso, in part, be like, yeah,
like you just now realize thatyou, idiot, you know, like your
true father was the one thatthat you, you know, lived with
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your entire life, and not theone that you barely knew.
Um, so it's a mix of both ofthose things.
Yeah, I kind of like that theyincluded that scene, though, or
like that moment, just because,um, it's not in the books, and I
like that theon acknowledgesthat one of the things this show
did so brilliantly is invokeour sympathy for even the
(13:03):
villains.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Are there no villains ?
Or really just deeply damagedpeople who make bad decisions
like he did?
And at the back of your mind,like, do should I feel for him?
And then going for you're likeokay, okay, I do feel for you
okay.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So I can't believe I talked about the honest a bit
because if you've been listeningto our season three coverage so
far, then you'll know that Ikind of didn't want to talk
about him this season justbecause his scenes would make me
uncomfortable.
But I think that I had to thisepisode.
But I will say that.
But I will skip over anotherscene in this episode and that's
the Tyrion and Varys scene.
It's a very brief scene that wesee in this episode between the
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two gossipy characters, and thereason I'm not going to talk
about it is because we alreadycovered this scene in another
episode.
And the reason I'm not going totalk about it is because we
already covered this scene inanother episode.
So in this scene, varysbasically, just to give you a
very quick summary of it Varysreveals his backstory.
It's very dramatic, shows us anew side to his character that
we've never been introduced tobefore, adds layers to his
(14:02):
character because we just seehim in a new, darker light.
Yeah, it's really creepy andreally interesting.
So if you want to know allabout that, go to our page and
listen to our episode Whispersof Power, varys Unveiled.
It's a very interesting, funepisode and you'll enjoy
learning a lot about Varys ifyou go and listen to that, so
I'm going to skip over it anddirect you there and we're ready
(14:24):
to talk about the next scene.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Actually, before we go to the next scene, I do want
to say that originally varus wasintended to recount that story
of his past to tyrian at the eveof the battle of black water,
which he does in the novels, uh.
However, for the showrunnersthey admitted due to time
constraints they pushed it.
They considered having a shortscene that varus was going to
explain to him, but then tyrianinterrupts him that Varys was
going to explain to him, butthen Tyrion interrupts him and
says we're going to have topostpone it for another time,
(14:56):
since the battle was going tocommence and we don't have time
to chit-chat about your originstory.
We're here for season three andthey actually added a new
detail from the book that didnot exist.
The capture of the sorcerer whowas responsible for his
castration was not a part ofthat, so they added that for the
show.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So, though I skimmed over that Varys scene, I'm
jumping straight into anotherone, and that's a scene that
Varys has in this episode withOlenna Tyrell.
The first thing that I wrotedown is my thoughts up until
today about this moment, whichis I am so glad we got to scene
with these two divas, becausefirst of all, you get like a
scene of just Olenna in thegarden with her, with her
(15:38):
granddaughter, and she talksabout house words, and I'm
pretty sure we've included thataudio clip when we did our house
words.
She kind of pokes fun at theirown housewards which is growing
strong and how dull it is.
And then she ends that and sayslook, little loves, a spider in
the garden, which I love.
It's just so simple but it's sopowerful.
(15:59):
And I get goosebumps when Irewatch that scene just because
it's so good.
And what I love, too, is thatVarys kind of greets her by
telling her that King's Landingis made brighter by her presence
, and that's something that healready told Shae in another
episode Dark Wings and DarkWords.
And Olenna, like you, can't getanything past this, riva.
She clocks him, she says isthis your usual line when
(16:22):
talking to women?
She sees right througheverything.
This queen Varys is there towarn Olenna that Littlefinger is
plotting something using SansaStark.
How does he know that?
Well, in that scene that youkind of skimmed over between
Varys and Ross, she actuallypoints out to Varys something
that Littlefinger wrote down orlike booked basically, and it
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shows in his records, his files,his transactions that he booked
like a cabin in a boat.
That's only something that hewould book for someone as as
important as Sansa yeah, liketwo feathered beds
like who would need anotherfeathered bed yes, two feathered
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beds, it wouldn't be for anyonethat is working with Roz or any
other person in King's Landing.
So that's how she puts two andtwo together and warns that to
Varys and he relays that messageto Olenna.
I guess you can kind of see arare instance of Varys kind of
forming a behind the scenesalliance with somebody and, as I
(17:22):
said, he warns her aboutLittlefinger and said that
Littlefinger would rather seethis country burn if he could be
king of ashes, which isinteresting.
And he immediately sees likethe connecting thread.
He says if Robb Stark falls,sansa Stark is the key to the
north and if he marries herhe'll have the key in his pocket
.
So Varys doesn't want that tohappen.
He doesn't want Littlefinger tohave all that power, even
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though, as Varys said, he enjoyshim and enjoys bantering with
him.
So that's when Varys puts theidea in the Tyrell's head or in
Olenna's head that they shouldform an alliance with Sansa and
get Sansa to marry Loras.
We don't really see the scenewhere they say that outright,
but that's what Margaeryproposes to Sansa later on in
this episode.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Which I thought was kind of a silly suggestion,
because Loras is the Kingsguard,he cannot marry, oh yeah, true.
So he would have to get approvalfrom the king and the hand of
the king to release him.
Like Jaime says, I'm aKingsguard, I have an oath to
the king, and then Tywin sayswell, we can work with that, we
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can have you, there's a clauseor something that the king could
release you from your oath andyou can go to Castle of Iraq and
be my heir.
So that's the only way.
Loras would do that and Taiwanis not going to allow that.
No, no, I think it's just themwanting to stir shit up.
(18:45):
Excuse my language.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, but I like that you pointed that out because
that feels like george level uhplot hole, like issue with the
show, because uh, in the booksuh they kind of plot for santa
to marry another one ofmarjorie's brothers yes um, who
is in high garden, so and thenwe never meet that brother.
They just talk about him.
Yeah, uh, and how you know,he's like a, like a sweet soul,
(19:10):
you know, and like he's, he'sgentle, and I think he has a
disability, if I can remembercorrectly, they, they mentioned
that and um, he's not ashandsome as loris, though I know
that yeah, he's not as handsomeas loris, but sansa was up for
it because of course she shewanted us at that point.
She wanted to skip king'slanding.
That was like ticket out and Ikind of wish that they just did
that.
(19:30):
You know what I mean.
It would have been.
They wouldn't have lostanything.
And, as you said, like theyjust added a plot to it, I guess
now by making it Loras.
But I think they just wanted itto be Loras, maybe because we
know him and we know that Sansahole exists.
But I want to just saysomething about Elena.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
She's like a true gem .
Her ability to instantlydominate any conversation she
answers is so entertaining Likethis episode.
You can add Cersei and Varys toher list of conquest when she
comes to conversating or kind ofconversating like conversing,
to conversating or kind ofconversating like conversing.
But Varys was used to being thesmartest person in the room
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Seems like shock to encountersomebody sharper than himself,
and I liked all the scenes inKing's Landing.
Let me just go ahead and starttalking about Joffrey and
Margaery, Because I think again,Margaery is one of those
characters that you don'trealize how good she is and how
good the character is, becausejoffrey's just said something
(20:32):
and he he spoils house of thedragon.
So if you have not big timebeing house of the dragon.
I I'm sorry, but, um, thehighlight of the whole that
whole scene is cersei and olenna, and I think this is the first
time they're actually together.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You were married here , your Grace.
Yes, must seem like onlyyesterday.
Seems like a lifetime ago.
Your husband was he buried hereas well?
No, he wanted his remainsreturned to Storm's End.
Such a tragedy, a fairlypredictable tragedy.
Hunting and drinking don't mix.
I should say not.
My son's a hunter.
It helps him forget.
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He's never been within a mileof a real battle.
I seem to recall he laid siegeto Storm's End for the better
part of a year.
All he laid siege to was thebanquet table in the command
tent.
I told him to stay out ofRobert's rebellion.
He had no business fighting anactual warrior.
We mothers do what we can tokeep our sons from the grave.
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They do seem to yearn for it.
We shower them with good senseand it slides right off like
rain of a wing, and yet theworld belongs to them.
A ridiculous arrangement, in mymind.
The gods have seen fit to makeit so.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And yet the world belongs to them, and I love what
she said.
That's a ridiculous arrangement.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
She feels like you know, I'm already here and I'm
equal, and this is this.
But I think in this scene iswhen she finally takes it,
actually it's not an evenplaying ground and she will
likely never be able to play thegame with the same power-ups, I
guess, or the same advantagesthat a man has, that a man can,
even though you know she ends uplater on becoming the it's
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under different circumstances.
She realizes the unfair natureof the world here for the first
time.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The one thing I wanted to I was questioning is
how did Marjorie know that thecrowd outside was going to react
to this Joffrey in a positiveway?
That was a gamble in myestimation on Margaery's part,
which it paid off for her.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
She knew that they were going to react to her
positively, not Joffrey.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, gotcha.
Yeah, that makes more sense,like they see her and she's like
vouching for him.
She's she's basically has beensaving the city with food and
supplies and all that showeringthem with, you know, gifts of
all this stuff that's needed.
I think that's a turning pointfor Joffrey for real, and Cersei
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right there sees that she'slost.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
She has control of him.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Let's stick with Margaery.
We have a brief scene which wementioned with her and Sansa.
Her charm can win anybody over.
Sansa has always been veryclose to the chest when it comes
to trusting people.
But with Marjorie, within likea couple of conversations with
her, she's already like oh,that's my sister, and Marjorie
is just playing pranks with herand all that stuff about how she
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put a curse on somebody andsansa's so like innocent.
She's like, oh my god, you didthat for real.
And then you know, you know likeshe's so innocent.
You know what I mean.
But right there she can seethat.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Oh okay, this person is is a true, she could be my
friend yeah, I think it's like arare moment for Sansa in King's
Landing where she feels likethere's hope.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And then, obviously, when she hears that information
of well, we can be sisters ifyou marry Loras, and the smile
that you get from Sansa is likeoh my God, it just lit up the
whole sky.
She's thinking about leavingLoras the prospect of living in
that beautiful high garden Forthat second, she was truly happy
(24:30):
.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know Sansa being so naive and at the same time
being very religious.
You know like she's trusting,you know like her religion and
what she believes in and stufflike that.
And then you have Margaery whojust says, like, when Sansa
tells her I don't think thequeen would let me leave King's
Landing, margaery says the queenregents.
You mean, once I marry Joffrey,I'll be queen, like she fully
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believes in herself.
You know, we've never seenMargaery as like this religious
woman.
She doesn't say like, oh, iffate plays out as it should, you
know she doesn't like, do that?
She's like I will be queen,obviously, and I will get you
this for this future.
That that's I want for you andthat you want for yourself.
Um, and I just thought thatthat was like a nice contrast.
(25:13):
You know her being so sure ofherself versus sansa being naive
and you know innocence.
I think this is only like thesecond scene that we've gotten
between sansa and marjorie, butit feels like the most
significant.
There was another one withOlenna in the garden, but just
seeing those two together issomething special, I think.
And there's actually anothervery special interaction in this
(25:36):
episode that you kind of can'tbelieve is a rarity in Game of
Thrones and that's we got thefirst scene, the first proper
scene of these two characterssharing a scene together, and
that's Cersei and Tywin.
I mean we're in season three.
This is the first time that weget the proper scene of just the
two of them and I mean I guessthere was like a hidden blessing
(25:58):
in making us wait this long,because it's epic.
This scene comes right afterkind of the visit to the Sept
where where Circe has thatconversation with Olenna and
kind of sparks everything thatgoes down in the scene, because
now Circe is talking to herfather with that thought in her
mind, which is that, oh, I'venever been as privileged as I
always thought I was.
I am always going to be limitedby my gender.
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And she's angry, she's notgoing in there for a normal
conversation with her father.
Something has changed withinher.
You know what I mean to quotewicked, but I think that when we
see them interacting, when theytalk, it's actually us seeing
that.
You know, cersei never had theprivilege that she thought she
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had like that ultimate power.
For seasons one and two shealways thought she had that
ultimate power, but it's notthat case, not that extreme,
even though it might have seemedlike that to us.
Just because he has such astrange relationship with Tyrion
, does that make sense, likebecause we've only seen Tyrion's
point of view With Tywin, wethink, oh, you know, he favors
Cersei and she thinks that too.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But now we that?
No, it's not really that it's.
But if he favored cersei, hewould have made her hand of the
king and, uh, the lecherousstump of a person, as he refers
to, tyrian and that's all about.
He would rather have thisperson he despises because he's
a man and the king, rather thanjust say, hey, you're, you're
already there dealing with allthe stuff here, you're going to
be handed the king to cersei.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
She thinks that she's more equipped.
So there's actually I don'twant to with all the stuff here
You're going to be Hand of theKing to Cersei she thinks that
she's more equipped, so there'sactually I don't want to jump to
the end here, but it's one ofmy favorite moments in the show,
or, like I guess, in the season, because he kind of roasts her.
He tells her the most brutalthing that she could have heard
at that time, which is that hetells her I don't distrust you
because you're a woman.
I distrust you because you'renot as smart as you think you
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are.
Oh, my God, I think when thecamera pans back to Lena Headey,
we see her crumble.
We see Cersei feel and look sosmall because she thinks that
she has this ultimate power,that she's so smart, she's the
mastermind of everything.
But this is her realization.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I think what was worse was he's doing his letters
and then he looks up.
You're still here Like what doyou want?
You're bothering me.
I have true work I have to getdone.
I actually listened to theBlu-ray commentary and during
this scene I guess Lena Headeyhad her microphone fall off and
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it was in the shot.
I guess other crew members saidthey couldn't use the footage.
They were so impressed with theperformances that they just had
the computer effects, like aCGI, digitally remove the
microphone, so they didn't haveto reshoot the scene, so I
thought that was kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's actually really interesting and really
funny.
I'll keep an eye out for it thenext time I watch the episode.
I just want to go back and saysomething about cersei, which is
that I think that from thisepisode on, we actually see
cersei as like lacking somethingyou know what I mean.
Like we see this realization inher, because everything that
she does kind of after it's, youknow, even like blowing blowing
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up the SEP, which she's goingto do later on it comes from
this.
It comes from her.
Her need for power growsbecause at this point she thinks
she's all that, she thinks thatshe has.
As I said, like nobody cantouch her.
And then like that's what she'sgoing to be doing later on, like
everything changes because ofthat conversation with Olenna,
and I think that that shows thepower of Olenna Tyrell and also
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like who Cersei really is.
So I just wanted to make thatnote, because everything changes
after this.
So that was King's Landing forthis episode.
A lot of very interestingcharacter moments there that are
always nice to rewatch.
But I guess there's a bit of anunpleasant setting and
unpleasant moments in theepisode that we have to move on
to, which is the Night's Watch.
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Beyond the Wall.
It's Craster's Keep.
Of course.
You know we've been followingthe Night's Watch and their
journey, of course minus John,after escaping the devastation
of the fight at the Fists.
So they lost a lot of theirmembers.
They're just there for shelterand obviously with Craster
something he's rude, rude.
Something has to happen.
(30:09):
There has to be some sort oftension, um, and what's going on
here is just another form ofhis cruelty and how sick he is
because he has, um, like astockpile of goods that keep him
and his daughters and wivessafe, um, and he refused to
share that with anybody from theNight's Watch.
So they're I think they'redying, they're sickly.
He's not helping them and thatcauses a lot of tension between
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the Night's Watch and Crasterand eventually it breaks into a
chaotic fight.
The turning point happens,which is that they kill Craster
and Lord Mormont, who is a veryhonorable man as we know in the
show, doesn't stand for it, eventhough he knows that Craster
hasn't been treating themproperly.
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They said they're killing ahost and they think that it's
like a curse.
That's something that they sayabout Walder Frey later on.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I think it's so ridiculous to treat him with any
kind of honor later on.
But, um, I think it's soridiculous to treat him with any
kind of honor.
But you're define every sin andgod by having children, your
own daughters, and I get theresentment I get.
Let's, let's start a mutinyhere.
We're dying here.
He has all this food.
He's not even the women part,it's just just the freezing.
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What's going to happen?
Have 30 guys, 40 guys leftagainst one guy.
We forget that these people arethe Night's Watch where they
came from.
Not all of them are honorablemen who came from honorable
houses.
That was in the past.
We've talked about that manytimes.
Now we're talking about peoplewho are murderers, rapists,
thieves.
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It's in their DNA.
That's what's going to happen.
And you have Sam, who wasprobably the only one from an
honorable house.
He goes oh, we're not thieves.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, they are.
I guess Mormons shouldn't havedone that, but I guess for him,
someone else being dishonorabledoesn't mean that you have to be
dishonorable, so you shouldstick to your own code of
conduct and that's why he didn'tstand for that.
Um, but yeah, like it's not likeany of those very unhonorable
men were gonna think the same.
So that's why what happenshappens and they turn against
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him and unfortunately eventuallykill him.
Um, when I was reading it too,I kind of felt sad, just because
, um, the night's watch, uh,storyline, especially in the
book, really revolves around him.
Even though he's from john andsam's point of view, I just feel
like he's, he's just alwaysthere.
It's like grounding centralforce in that setting.
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So I kind of felt like a bitdisoriented, I guess, when, when
he died in the books, I I waslike, oh, I'm going to miss him.
Um, but at least Sam escapeswith Giddy and her baby son.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Uh, let's go back South.
We're going to go to theRiverlands and it's uh with Aria
.
It's a brief moment.
Yet Now it's clear whyproducers wouldn't cut this.
Uh, beric returns, but withthis more prominent role, ber,
but with a more prominent role.
Beric does show up in the firstseason I think it's episode six
but it's a different actor.
So now we have a new actor whoI think looks better for the
(33:13):
role In this scene.
Arya is there to kind of add thevoice of what?
Is it condemnation to the Hound, reminding or letting the
Brotherhood know that the Houndkilled her friend Micah, like
Beric said he said she saidreminding or letting the
brotherhood know that the houndkilled her friend micah, like
barrack said.
Is he said she said so it whichleads to a trial by combat.
It's a reminder of tyrian inthe area, but this time we have
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the, the lord of light, involved.
So that's going to be aninteresting little thing which
will happen, I think, in thenext episode.
I don't remember, but that'sall of aria's little story.
Um, I like the whole setting ofit and it's kind of in a cave
in the next episode.
I don't remember, but that'sall of Arya's little story.
I like the whole setting of itand it's kind of in a cave.
In the beginning of our episodehere we do hear the audio of the
Hound not pleading for his life, because he's like you know
what, go ahead.
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If you're going to do it, goahead, do it, or try to do it,
and maybe I can get out of it.
Okay, now we're going to get tothe portion of this episode
that we've been waiting for.
I know Minwa has been reallyexcited to talk about this scene
.
It's one of the best scenes ofthe whole series and sure you
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know characters secretlyunderstanding a foreign language
is a trope.
That's kind of been done manytimes, been done many times, but
I don't know it's never landedthis satisfying when it comes to
, uh, denarius, stormborn ofhouse targaryen, the queen of
the andros and the roina and thefirst man, the lady of the
(34:43):
seven kingdoms, calicia, thegreat seas, mother of dragons,
break your chains.
All that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I Betrayed, I betrothed, as per the veto,
magic Sad Rizzo's boost our EastCoast, our Jivali Me gay diner
(35:22):
is gel mass more in Targaryenand blood.
And the narrator with the oneagain, sam Valeria moon, you
English new, he's no, I gave youValerio Muniwengos knew he's
ESA Govacade.
Axio ozentas, metio ozentasKilloni Pilos lue vale Tolvi
ozenetas Ininio tricatas urnelue tolede prishatas Dracarys
(36:03):
you know, before House of theDragon she's the only character
to ever say those words,dracarys.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
And now we've had maybe four people have said it
with the house of the dragoncrew and nobody can say it like
her.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I'm sorry no, no, no, I agree, I agree.
Like I have goosebumps, I can'tremember if I ever got
goosebumps from like bathroomhouse of the dragon and I
watched the scene.
How many times I watched thescene?
A hundred times probably.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah before you go I do want to just a little quick
note is that for this seasonamelia clark was nominated for,
I think, supporting actress foremmy.
This is the episode shesubmitted for the uh to get the
nomination.
There's something I found withthe wiki for game of thrones.
It says that daenerys is notbeing poetic when she says lo,
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valerian is her mother tongue.
She was raised in the free citysince she was an infant, and
the people of the free cityspeak different dialects of
valerian.
Viserys was a boy when theyfled westeros, so he already
knew the comment on westeros andinsisted that the neris learned
the language of the homelandthey needed to take back.
But otherwise most peopleDaenerys interacted with during
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her entire life in exile in thefree cities would have spoke
Valyrian.
In spite of this, in Pentoshiwe don't hear her speak it,
probably just to make thingssimpler for the audience and
because linguist David JPeterson hadn't given the
massive task of inventingValyrian yet and we don't get to
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see it until season three.
So that's a little note that Iwanted to throw out there.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know it's her most iconic scene in all of Game
of Thrones.
When people think of Game ofThrones of Dany, this is the
scene that they think of Becausethis is when, like that's it.
She shows everyone who she isand what I mean by that is.
She shows the audience thathave been doubting her for
seasons one and two.
You know the people that maybethey didn't really get her
(37:56):
journey or her vision, or theydidn't have faith in her.
You know, when she was goingthrough Carth and all of that
hardship, they were like, Idon't know, like is she?
Does she really have it in her?
She talks about her being herright.
Can she actually be the queen?
You know, despite everything,is it just her dragons that make
her you know what I mean thinkthat she has this claim or is it
just her birth?
(38:16):
No, no, the people closest toher.
You know in the last episodeI've talked about how annoyed I
am with Jorah this season, how Ihate him.
Okay, he gets on my nerves Him,barristan Selmy.
They didn't see the vision.
They didn't believe in her andshe believed in herself.
She knew and I believed in herand sorry, I'm just, oh, I can
(38:37):
talk about her for ages.
I have to stop myself a bit.
But like this is when she showsyou who she really is, what
she's capable of, how smart sheis, that she thinks 10 steps
ahead, even when supposedly oneof the best nights in the world
bear, since I made it and seeit's coming, and she didn't want
to reveal it to them becauseshe wanted to show them and,
like in person, see who I am.
(38:57):
You know, I'm not just going totell you that, oh, it's so epic
, I love it, like there's areason.
All of this is why it's hermost iconic scene, because this
is the moment.
That that's it.
That's who she is.
She is Daenerys Stormborn ofthe House Targaryen, the first
of her name, the Unburnt Queenof the Andals and the Rhoynar
and the First Men Khaleesi ofthe Great Grass Sea, breaker of
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Chains and Mother of Dragons.
That's it.
That's when she becomes this.
I love her.
I can't continue this one girl,but let me pause.
Let me pass the mic to you.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
This is going to be the clip I share on Instagram,
so that's great.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, no, please don't.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
It's the moment like this that makes the time spent
in Qarth in season two bearableand ultimately worth it.
If nothing else, the show iscontent to put us through the
necessary like how do you saygrunt work.
So future plot lines canflourish like this.
But her playing the long gamedoes work out beautifully, and I
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think what's great aboutDaenerys is that she preserves
her humanity throughout herjourney to this point.
Like, she has that deep senseof compassion and she also has
that sense of justice.
So she remains determined notto become the monster that her
family or everybody thinks she'sgoing to become.
You know the fact that shedoesn't hesitate in defining the
kind of leader she wants to belike right after she gets the
(40:23):
unsullied.
Through this risky butbrilliant maneuver, she
immediately accepts it free.
She's echoing the moment whereshe liberated her khalasar at
the end of season one.
Uh, dropping the whip obviouslyis a symbol of the tyrant she
could have become.
She doesn't command them, butinstead invites them to join her
, and her gamble again pays offin a resounding gesture of 8 000
(40:47):
spears banging, banging againstthe ground.
In agreement, I will say,though, that you just read this
so you remember that theUnsullied start pounding their
spears, but they also startsaying Jarkaras.
They say Jarkaras to say okay,we're going to do this.
And also in the novel, shedoesn't drop the whip.
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She throws the whip to Krasnusin his face and then she
releases Drogon on him with thecommands of Dracarys.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I love that detail too, because I forgot.
Now, if she says it in thespeech or if she says it later
on, by her doing that, that'sher erasing, or like telling
them that they have theirfreedom now.
Do you know what I mean and youcan follow me if you want to,
and they all want to.
I love when there are sceneswhere there's something that's
said without any dialogue,without any explicit words.
(41:38):
It's through an action, andthat's the meaning behind Danny
getting rid of that whip.
And I like that detail justbecause it's nice.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So that's going to be all for our coverage of Season
3, episode 4.
And now his watch is ended.
What do you have the rating forthis episode?
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Minhwa Can you answer that first.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Okay, I'm going to give it 9.5 out of 10.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Wow, wow really.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I'm not doing that because that's what it's
currently rated on IMDb.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I wonder why too, I think it's currently rated on
imdb, but I wonder why too?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
yeah, I think it's just a brilliant episode that
that last part alone is worthnine points yes, yep, I can't, I
can't like disagree.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I was gonna say a nine, but you might have
convinced me to give it a 9.52,because if I don't give this a
9.5, what on earth am I gonnahave a 9.5?
I mean, on earth am I going?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
to have a 9.5?
I mean, it's so good.
I've seen it, like you said, athousand times.
I love seeing people reactingto it for the first time.
I'm assuming that your favoritescene of the episode was the
last one with Daenerys.
That's one of the easiest pickswe're going to get.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, I mean I was going to make a sarcastic joke
and be like no, actually it waslike Cersei and Tywin, which is
also a good scene, but no, noone can say anything but Dany's
scene, and if you choosesomething else, you're lying to
yourself.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So our next episode, we'll be covering episode five
of season three, called Kissedby Fire.
It's going to be it's going tohave a lot of great scenes of
dialogue.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
The end.
It's going to probably be alannister highlight episode,
because there's also a reallygreat scene with jamie, if I'm
not mistaken, when he talksabout his backstory for the
first time, and that continuesthe arc, or like the journey, of
feeling bad for jamie, and Ican't wait, uh, to see it unfold
and I hope you guys listenalong with the next episode as
well.
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Thank you guys so much.
You want to cut my throat Get on with it, but don't
call me murderer and pretendthat you're not.
You murdered Micah thebutcher's boy, my friend.
He was 12 years old.
He was unarmed and you rode himdown.
You slung him over your horselike he was some deer.
Aye, he was a bleeder.
(00:22):
You don't deny killing this boy.
I was Joffrey's sworn shield.
The boy attacked the prince.
That's a lie.
I hit Joffrey, micah just ranaway.
Then I should have killed you,not my place to question princes
.
You stand accused of murder,but no one here knows the truth
(00:43):
of the charge, so it is not forus to judge you, only the Lord
of Light.
We do that now.
I sentence you to trial bycombat.
So who will it be?
Should we find out if your fireGod really loves you?
Priest?
Are you Archer or you worthwith a sword in your hand, or is
(01:08):
the little girl the bravest onehere?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
She might be, but it's me, you'll find.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Welcome back to Dancing with Dragons, your
podcast guide to the world ofWesteros and beyond.
I'm Tony, and with me is myalways insightful co-host, minwa
.
Today, we're diving into one ofthe most pivotal episodes of
Game of Thrones, season 3,episode 4, and now his watch is
ended.
This is the episode whereloyalty shifts, power is seized
(01:54):
and one watch truly does come toan end.
We'll unpack the themes ofbetrayal, power and liberation
and break down this episode thatsets the stage of some of the
series' most iconic arcs.
Whether you're a first-timewatcher or a seasoned veteran of
the Seven Kingdoms, you're infor a rich conversation.
Okay, manuela, it feels likeages since I've talked to you.
(02:15):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I'm good, Tony.
How are you?
It does feel like longer than amonth since we last recorded, I
think.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes, it's been.
You know, a lot of things hashappened the last month.
We usually we're trying torecord every two weeks, but life
is happening work, otherpersonal stuff and we had to
kind of take a little break,which is fine, it's.
We're not under some deadlineto release these episodes, but
people are enjoying it.
So I kind of feel bad that it'staking so long for this episode
to come out, because this isthe one episode that we've been
clamoring for or so excited tocover, and it's just, man, it's
(02:49):
almost four and a half weeks,but we're here and I finally
want to say congratulations, andI'll let you say why.
I'm saying congratulations.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Okay, so don't get your hopes up too much, because
it was kind of like homework forme.
But drum roll, I finishedreading Storm of Swords and I
wanted to keep it until werecorded so that I could
surprise Tony and get his likeauthentic reaction.
But I just I couldn't helpmyself because I wanted to post
(03:19):
about some of my story.
I wanted to, I don't know, Iwas just too excited because at
that point, when I had messagedhim and told him that I finished
reading Storm of Swords, andwhen I posted it on my story,
it's already been a few days andI was like I can't take it any
longer.
I will have to share witheveryone that I'm making
progress and I'm done with bookthree and I far uh, I don't
(03:42):
think that I did predict that.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, I remember you said predicting
that, and I remember you saidonce you start reading this this
is a really like a binge read,because there's so much stuff
and you realize when you'rereading it's like wow, this is
all season four yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
So I was thinking like, wow, they really like I
don't know.
I was watching, re-watchingthis episode, episode um four of
season three, and already I waslike this is so close to the
events of season four in thebooks and how did they like fill
up those episodes?
You know, now I'm more curiousto see like the journey from
here to the red wedding to thepurple wedding, because it's so
(04:19):
so fast in the book.
But I did already start, likethe first two chapters of A
Feast for crows.
So I'm making progress, becauseI had that one nightmare once.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No, really I read I read two chapters I was going to
say that the feast for crows isone of those that people are.
It's a big debate on like it'sthe least favorite of people,
but it's still good.
Like there's so many differentpovs that you're gonna come off
from.
You're like who's this, who'sthat, who's this?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
you know so already in the beginning.
It started with like thecaptain of the guards and then
you find out it's like a randomcaptain of the guards and door
and I'm like, oh, this is randombut I like it.
So I'll keep you guys updateduh, but let's get.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Let's get rolling with this episode.
It premiered april 13, 2013.
Directed by alex graves,written by db weiss and david
benioff.
Episode is titled and now hiswatch is ended.
It refers to a phrase commonlyused at the end of a eulogy in a
funeral for the member of theNight's Watch.
Symbolically, it signifies LordCommander Jor-Mormon's death in
(05:31):
this episode, which for me, wasa shocker when I first read it,
and I'm sure it was a shockerfor many people for the show.
One quick note is that RobCatelyn Stannis, jon Ygritte,
does not appear in this episode.
Catelyn does appear momentarily, but it's in Bran's dream.
She's telling him not to climb,which is a callback to the
first episode of the series, soI don't really count that as her
(05:53):
being in the episode.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Okay.
So the last episode ended withJaime's hand being cut off.
That was another shocker of theseason, and the episode I'm
pretty sure it opens opens rightwith um, the shot of his hand
hanging around his neck, aroundjamie's neck, and it's just, oh,
it's like a harsh reminderbecause we almost still can't
believe it.
You know what I mean.
Like I'm sure it's kind of gaveoff, that feeling of like, is
(06:17):
this, like, did this reallyhappen?
You know it's like then theywon't start the next episode
with yes, it did, and this iswho he is now, and they're still
prisoners and he's tortured andbeat up, and it's another shock
, I think.
And I think this is where webegin to feel bad for him.
This is when Jamie's characterkind of takes a turn,
momentarily, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
No, I'm glad this episode kicked off with this
because it's a continuation ofthe last one and it's a pivotal
scene and moment.
It's an immediate follow-up andwe get to check in with the now
mutilated Kingslayer, who wentfrom bad to worse in this
episode and now he's forced towear his rotting hand around his
neck like a grotesque ornament.
(07:01):
From there it's just moredisgusting events Mud like horse
urine, he's drinking.
He's so thirsty that he doesn'trealize he's drinking that and
he's vomiting.
And the worst possible conditionI think, brienne, she first
tells him that she's gratefulthat I don't know she's telling
that, but insinuates that she'sgrateful that he lied about, you
(07:22):
know, her home island beingfilled with riches, which is
something being sympathetictowards him.
But then she turns and just islike stop being a little bitch,
basically saying, but here's onething that I was going to ask
you.
She says, and I said, oh,meanwhile I probably didn't like
that line.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He goes you're being such a woman, or something like
that you're being such a womanor acting like a woman, because
he was like upset about his hand.
Yeah, he's like wallowing inpity.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And now you know we get her point.
I still think that anyone whogets their hand chopped off,
noble or peasant, should beallowed to be sad about it.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Still, I know it's been a while since I've seen the
episode and I had time to thinkit's over, but I still don't
know how I feel about that line.
Even like I re-watched a bit ofit again, like for the second
or third time today, and whenshe said that I just kind of
went.
I don't really know how I feelabout it, because a part of me
doesn't like it, because it'slike, oh, this is tapping into
brian's um, you know, like shealways wants to feel masculine
(08:23):
and like you know, like I don'tknow, like, is this actually
Brienne?
But then another part of me issaying is this just her trying
to, like, snap Jaime out of it?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
For Jaime's sake.
I think that she said that.
Yeah, but at least they haveeach other for now.
I think they're both thinkingthat.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I do want to credit D&D here that they actually
devote some time to Jamie andBrienne.
Many of the non-King's Landingstorylines, you know, have been
relegated to quick one-scenecheck-ins.
You know, during the first fewepisodes, treatment would have
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robbed their arc of that cruciallike momentum, and instead this
episode deepens ourunderstanding you know we hate
to admit it at first of jamie'strue character, I hit the iron
price for him to fall.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Murdered those boys?
The star boys never found them,just some poor orphans living
with the farmer.
I let Dagmar slit their throatsand I let him burn the bodies
so I could keep Winterfell andmake my father proud.
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Maybe it's not too late.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It is my real father lost his head at King's Landing.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I made a choice and I chose wrong, and now I've
burned everything down noteverything, my lord that audio
clip you heard was from theinteraction we hear between
Theon and Ramsey in this sceneand it's almost like sorry to
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our audience and our listenersfor doing this, but we're
starting with like one kind ofcruel and an easy thing or like
topic and plot line to another,because it's in this episode
where we kind of actually seewho Ramsey is and how he's kind
of just the creepy, psychoticvillain that he is.
I know that that's not what wehear in the audio, but I just
(10:46):
have to start there because Iwanted to continue that cruelty
talk that we had, but at thetime I'm sorry, at the moment we
still don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
that's Ramsay.
He's like an unknown hero.
He's like we don't know thatthe audience still doesn't know.
That's Ramsay To Dion.
He's somebody who's helping himout, Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
He's a hero.
He's like a hero to Theon.
I just jumped a little becausethat's how I wrote it in my
notes, just that you know, it'sthe topics I wrote under the
Jaime scene and I connected thattheme of it being like to us
that all of this, everythingthat we've seen Theon go through
so far, is a ruse conducted byRamsay.
Theon's entire escape, you know, like when Ramsay was acting as
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this noble hero, is just like aprank and it's just like
another form of torture andtoying with him and playing with
his mind.
So and I kind of feel thatmaybe at first we don't feel
that bad for Dion which isinteresting because he starts
out as a good guy, whereas Jamiestarts out as a bad guy but
then we feel for Jamie and wedon't feel.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He was a good guy.
Yeah, we were still annoyedwith him because he was arrogant
and brash and not, you know,not a humble person.
We didn't realize he was goingto betray Rob, but before that
he was just like shut up.
Why are you talking?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You're on our side.
You're a good guy, I guessbecause you're with us.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
But shut up.
Yeah, but going back to what yousaid and the audio clip itself,
I do that, I think, kind ofmakes us feel for theon, which
is when he is vulnerable for thefirst time, the entire show,
and expresses his regrets.
We in part feel for him, but wealso, in part, be like, yeah,
like you just now realize thatyou, idiot, you know, like your
true father was the one thatthat you, you know, lived with
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your entire life, and not theone that you barely knew.
Um, so it's a mix of both ofthose things.
Yeah, I kind of like that theyincluded that scene, though, or
like that moment, just because,um, it's not in the books, and I
like that theon acknowledgesthat one of the things this show
did so brilliantly is invokeour sympathy for even the
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villains.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Are there no villains ?
Or really just deeply damagedpeople who make bad decisions
like he did?
And at the back of your mind,like, do should I feel for him?
And then going for you're likeokay, okay, I do feel for you
okay.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So I can't believe I talked about the honest a bit
because if you've been listeningto our season three coverage so
far, then you'll know that Ikind of didn't want to talk
about him this season justbecause his scenes would make me
uncomfortable.
But I think that I had to thisepisode.
But I will say that.
But I will skip over anotherscene in this episode and that's
the Tyrion and Varys scene.
It's a very brief scene that wesee in this episode between the
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two gossipy characters, and thereason I'm not going to talk
about it is because we alreadycovered this scene in another
episode.
And the reason I'm not going totalk about it is because we
already covered this scene inanother episode.
So in this scene, varysbasically, just to give you a
very quick summary of it Varysreveals his backstory.
It's very dramatic, shows us anew side to his character that
we've never been introduced tobefore, adds layers to his
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character because we just seehim in a new, darker light.
Yeah, it's really creepy andreally interesting.
So if you want to know allabout that, go to our page and
listen to our episode Whispersof Power, varys Unveiled.
It's a very interesting, funepisode and you'll enjoy
learning a lot about Varys ifyou go and listen to that, so
I'm going to skip over it anddirect you there and we're ready
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to talk about the next scene.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Actually, before we go to the next scene, I do want
to say that originally varus wasintended to recount that story
of his past to tyrian at the eveof the battle of black water,
which he does in the novels, uh.
However, for the showrunnersthey admitted due to time
constraints they pushed it.
They considered having a shortscene that varus was going to
explain to him, but then tyrianinterrupts him that Varys was
going to explain to him, butthen Tyrion interrupts him and
says we're going to have topostpone it for another time,
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since the battle was going tocommence and we don't have time
to chit-chat about your originstory.
We're here for season three andthey actually added a new
detail from the book that didnot exist.
The capture of the sorcerer whowas responsible for his
castration was not a part ofthat, so they added that for the
show.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
So, though I skimmed over that Varys scene, I'm
jumping straight into anotherone, and that's a scene that
Varys has in this episode withOlenna Tyrell.
The first thing that I wrotedown is my thoughts up until
today about this moment, whichis I am so glad we got to scene
with these two divas, becausefirst of all, you get like a
scene of just Olenna in thegarden with her, with her
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granddaughter, and she talksabout house words, and I'm
pretty sure we've included thataudio clip when we did our house
words.
She kind of pokes fun at theirown housewards which is growing
strong and how dull it is.
And then she ends that and sayslook, little loves, a spider in
the garden, which I love.
It's just so simple but it's sopowerful.
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And I get goosebumps when Irewatch that scene just because
it's so good.
And what I love, too, is thatVarys kind of greets her by
telling her that King's Landingis made brighter by her presence
, and that's something that healready told Shae in another
episode Dark Wings and DarkWords.
And Olenna, like you, can't getanything past this, riva.
She clocks him, she says isthis your usual line when
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talking to women?
She sees right througheverything.
This queen Varys is there towarn Olenna that Littlefinger is
plotting something using SansaStark.
How does he know that?
Well, in that scene that youkind of skimmed over between
Varys and Ross, she actuallypoints out to Varys something
that Littlefinger wrote down orlike booked basically, and it
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shows in his records, his files,his transactions that he booked
like a cabin in a boat.
That's only something that hewould book for someone as as
important as Sansa yeah, liketwo feathered beds
like who would need anotherfeathered bed yes, two feathered
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beds, it wouldn't be for anyonethat is working with Roz or any
other person in King's Landing.
So that's how she puts two andtwo together and warns that to
Varys and he relays that messageto Olenna.
I guess you can kind of see arare instance of Varys kind of
forming a behind the scenesalliance with somebody and, as I
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said, he warns her aboutLittlefinger and said that
Littlefinger would rather seethis country burn if he could be
king of ashes, which isinteresting.
And he immediately sees likethe connecting thread.
He says if Robb Stark falls,sansa Stark is the key to the
north and if he marries herhe'll have the key in his pocket
.
So Varys doesn't want that tohappen.
He doesn't want Littlefinger tohave all that power, even
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though, as Varys said, he enjoyshim and enjoys bantering with
him.
So that's when Varys puts theidea in the Tyrell's head or in
Olenna's head that they shouldform an alliance with Sansa and
get Sansa to marry Loras.
We don't really see the scenewhere they say that outright,
but that's what Margaeryproposes to Sansa later on in
this episode.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Which I thought was kind of a silly suggestion,
because Loras is the Kingsguard,he cannot marry, oh yeah, true.
So he would have to get approvalfrom the king and the hand of
the king to release him.
Like Jaime says, I'm aKingsguard, I have an oath to
the king, and then Tywin sayswell, we can work with that, we
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can have you, there's a clauseor something that the king could
release you from your oath andyou can go to Castle of Iraq and
be my heir.
So that's the only way.
Loras would do that and Taiwanis not going to allow that.
No, no, I think it's just themwanting to stir shit up.
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Excuse my language.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, but I like that you pointed that out because
that feels like george level uhplot hole, like issue with the
show, because uh, in the booksuh they kind of plot for santa
to marry another one ofmarjorie's brothers yes um, who
is in high garden, so and thenwe never meet that brother.
They just talk about him.
Yeah, uh, and how you know,he's like a, like a sweet soul,
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you know, and like he's, he'sgentle, and I think he has a
disability, if I can remembercorrectly, they, they mentioned
that and um, he's not ashandsome as loris, though I know
that yeah, he's not as handsomeas loris, but sansa was up for
it because of course she shewanted us at that point.
She wanted to skip king'slanding.
That was like ticket out and Ikind of wish that they just did
that.
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You know what I mean.
It would have been.
They wouldn't have lostanything.
And, as you said, like theyjust added a plot to it, I guess
now by making it Loras.
But I think they just wanted itto be Loras, maybe because we
know him and we know that Sansahole exists.
But I want to just saysomething about Elena.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
She's like a true gem .
Her ability to instantlydominate any conversation she
answers is so entertaining Likethis episode.
You can add Cersei and Varys toher list of conquest when she
comes to conversating or kind ofconversating like conversing,
to conversating or kind ofconversating like conversing.
But Varys was used to being thesmartest person in the room
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Seems like shock to encountersomebody sharper than himself,
and I liked all the scenes inKing's Landing.
Let me just go ahead and starttalking about Joffrey and
Margaery, Because I think again,Margaery is one of those
characters that you don'trealize how good she is and how
good the character is, becausejoffrey's just said something
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and he he spoils house of thedragon.
So if you have not big timebeing house of the dragon.
I I'm sorry, but, um, thehighlight of the whole that
whole scene is cersei and olenna, and I think this is the first
time they're actually together.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You were married here , your Grace.
Yes, must seem like onlyyesterday.
Seems like a lifetime ago.
Your husband was he buried hereas well?
No, he wanted his remainsreturned to Storm's End.
Such a tragedy, a fairlypredictable tragedy.
Hunting and drinking don't mix.
I should say not.
My son's a hunter.
It helps him forget.
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He's never been within a mileof a real battle.
I seem to recall he laid siegeto Storm's End for the better
part of a year.
All he laid siege to was thebanquet table in the command
tent.
I told him to stay out ofRobert's rebellion.
He had no business fighting anactual warrior.
We mothers do what we can tokeep our sons from the grave.
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They do seem to yearn for it.
We shower them with good senseand it slides right off like
rain of a wing, and yet theworld belongs to them.
A ridiculous arrangement, in mymind.
The gods have seen fit to makeit so.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
And yet the world belongs to them, and I love what
she said.
That's a ridiculous arrangement.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
She feels like you know, I'm already here and I'm
equal, and this is this.
But I think in this scene iswhen she finally takes it,
actually it's not an evenplaying ground and she will
likely never be able to play thegame with the same power-ups, I
guess, or the same advantagesthat a man has, that a man can,
even though you know she ends uplater on becoming the it's
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under different circumstances.
She realizes the unfair natureof the world here for the first
time.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The one thing I wanted to I was questioning is
how did Marjorie know that thecrowd outside was going to react
to this Joffrey in a positiveway?
That was a gamble in myestimation on Margaery's part,
which it paid off for her.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
She knew that they were going to react to her
positively, not Joffrey.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, gotcha.
Yeah, that makes more sense,like they see her and she's like
vouching for him.
She's she's basically has beensaving the city with food and
supplies and all that showeringthem with, you know, gifts of
all this stuff that's needed.
I think that's a turning pointfor Joffrey for real, and Cersei
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right there sees that she'slost.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
She has control of him.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Let's stick with Margaery.
We have a brief scene which wementioned with her and Sansa.
Her charm can win anybody over.
Sansa has always been veryclose to the chest when it comes
to trusting people.
But with Marjorie, within likea couple of conversations with
her, she's already like oh,that's my sister, and Marjorie
is just playing pranks with herand all that stuff about how she
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put a curse on somebody andsansa's so like innocent.
She's like, oh my god, you didthat for real.
And then you know, you know likeshe's so innocent.
You know what I mean.
But right there she can seethat.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Oh okay, this person is is a true, she could be my
friend yeah, I think it's like arare moment for Sansa in King's
Landing where she feels likethere's hope.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And then, obviously, when she hears that information
of well, we can be sisters ifyou marry Loras, and the smile
that you get from Sansa is likeoh my God, it just lit up the
whole sky.
She's thinking about leavingLoras the prospect of living in
that beautiful high garden Forthat second, she was truly happy
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.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know Sansa being so naive and at the same time
being very religious.
You know like she's trusting,you know like her religion and
what she believes in and stufflike that.
And then you have Margaery whojust says, like, when Sansa
tells her I don't think thequeen would let me leave King's
Landing, margaery says the queenregents.
You mean, once I marry Joffrey,I'll be queen, like she fully
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believes in herself.
You know, we've never seenMargaery as like this religious
woman.
She doesn't say like, oh, iffate plays out as it should, you
know she doesn't like, do that?
She's like I will be queen,obviously, and I will get you
this for this future.
That that's I want for you andthat you want for yourself.
Um, and I just thought thatthat was like a nice contrast.
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You know her being so sure ofherself versus sansa being naive
and you know innocence.
I think this is only like thesecond scene that we've gotten
between sansa and marjorie, butit feels like the most
significant.
There was another one withOlenna in the garden, but just
seeing those two together issomething special, I think.
And there's actually anothervery special interaction in this
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episode that you kind of can'tbelieve is a rarity in Game of
Thrones and that's we got thefirst scene, the first proper
scene of these two characterssharing a scene together, and
that's Cersei and Tywin.
I mean we're in season three.
This is the first time that weget the proper scene of just the
two of them and I mean I guessthere was like a hidden blessing
(25:58):
in making us wait this long,because it's epic.
This scene comes right afterkind of the visit to the Sept
where where Circe has thatconversation with Olenna and
kind of sparks everything thatgoes down in the scene, because
now Circe is talking to herfather with that thought in her
mind, which is that, oh, I'venever been as privileged as I
always thought I was.
I am always going to be limitedby my gender.
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And she's angry, she's notgoing in there for a normal
conversation with her father.
Something has changed withinher.
You know what I mean to quotewicked, but I think that when we
see them interacting, when theytalk, it's actually us seeing
that.
You know, cersei never had theprivilege that she thought she
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had like that ultimate power.
For seasons one and two shealways thought she had that
ultimate power, but it's notthat case, not that extreme,
even though it might have seemedlike that to us.
Just because he has such astrange relationship with Tyrion
, does that make sense, likebecause we've only seen Tyrion's
point of view With Tywin, wethink, oh, you know, he favors
Cersei and she thinks that too.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But now we that?
No, it's not really that it's.
But if he favored cersei, hewould have made her hand of the
king and, uh, the lecherousstump of a person, as he refers
to, tyrian and that's all about.
He would rather have thisperson he despises because he's
a man and the king, rather thanjust say, hey, you're, you're
already there dealing with allthe stuff here, you're going to
be handed the king to cersei.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
She thinks that she's more equipped.
So there's actually I don'twant to with all the stuff here
You're going to be Hand of theKing to Cersei she thinks that
she's more equipped, so there'sactually I don't want to jump to
the end here, but it's one ofmy favorite moments in the show,
or, like I guess, in the season, because he kind of roasts her.
He tells her the most brutalthing that she could have heard
at that time, which is that hetells her I don't distrust you
because you're a woman.
I distrust you because you'renot as smart as you think you
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are.
Oh, my God, I think when thecamera pans back to Lena Headey,
we see her crumble.
We see Cersei feel and look sosmall because she thinks that
she has this ultimate power,that she's so smart, she's the
mastermind of everything.
But this is her realization.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I think what was worse was he's doing his letters
and then he looks up.
You're still here Like what doyou want?
You're bothering me.
I have true work I have to getdone.
I actually listened to theBlu-ray commentary and during
this scene I guess Lena Headeyhad her microphone fall off and
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it was in the shot.
I guess other crew members saidthey couldn't use the footage.
They were so impressed with theperformances that they just had
the computer effects, like aCGI, digitally remove the
microphone, so they didn't haveto reshoot the scene, so I
thought that was kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's actually really interesting and really
funny.
I'll keep an eye out for it thenext time I watch the episode.
I just want to go back and saysomething about cersei, which is
that I think that from thisepisode on, we actually see
cersei as like lacking somethingyou know what I mean.
Like we see this realization inher, because everything that
she does kind of after it's, youknow, even like blowing blowing
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up the SEP, which she's goingto do later on it comes from
this.
It comes from her.
Her need for power growsbecause at this point she thinks
she's all that, she thinks thatshe has.
As I said, like nobody cantouch her.
And then like that's what she'sgoing to be doing later on, like
everything changes because ofthat conversation with Olenna,
and I think that that shows thepower of Olenna Tyrell and also
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like who Cersei really is.
So I just wanted to make thatnote, because everything changes
after this.
So that was King's Landing forthis episode.
A lot of very interestingcharacter moments there that are
always nice to rewatch.
But I guess there's a bit of anunpleasant setting and
unpleasant moments in theepisode that we have to move on
to, which is the Night's Watch.
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Beyond the Wall.
It's Craster's Keep.
Of course.
You know we've been followingthe Night's Watch and their
journey, of course minus John,after escaping the devastation
of the fight at the Fists.
So they lost a lot of theirmembers.
They're just there for shelterand obviously with Craster
something he's rude, rude.
Something has to happen.
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There has to be some sort oftension, um, and what's going on
here is just another form ofhis cruelty and how sick he is
because he has, um, like astockpile of goods that keep him
and his daughters and wivessafe, um, and he refused to
share that with anybody from theNight's Watch.
So they're I think they'redying, they're sickly.
He's not helping them and thatcauses a lot of tension between
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the Night's Watch and Crasterand eventually it breaks into a
chaotic fight.
The turning point happens,which is that they kill Craster
and Lord Mormont, who is a veryhonorable man as we know in the
show, doesn't stand for it, eventhough he knows that Craster
hasn't been treating themproperly.
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They said they're killing ahost and they think that it's
like a curse.
That's something that they sayabout Walder Frey later on.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I think it's so ridiculous to treat him with any
kind of honor later on.
But, um, I think it's soridiculous to treat him with any
kind of honor.
But you're define every sin andgod by having children, your
own daughters, and I get theresentment I get.
Let's, let's start a mutinyhere.
We're dying here.
He has all this food.
He's not even the women part,it's just just the freezing.
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What's going to happen?
Have 30 guys, 40 guys leftagainst one guy.
We forget that these people arethe Night's Watch where they
came from.
Not all of them are honorablemen who came from honorable
houses.
That was in the past.
We've talked about that manytimes.
Now we're talking about peoplewho are murderers, rapists,
thieves.
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It's in their DNA.
That's what's going to happen.
And you have Sam, who wasprobably the only one from an
honorable house.
He goes oh, we're not thieves.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, they are.
I guess Mormons shouldn't havedone that, but I guess for him,
someone else being dishonorabledoesn't mean that you have to be
dishonorable, so you shouldstick to your own code of
conduct and that's why he didn'tstand for that.
Um, but yeah, like it's not likeany of those very unhonorable
men were gonna think the same.
So that's why what happenshappens and they turn against
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him and unfortunately eventuallykill him.
Um, when I was reading it too,I kind of felt sad, just because
, um, the night's watch, uh,storyline, especially in the
book, really revolves around him.
Even though he's from john andsam's point of view, I just feel
like he's, he's just alwaysthere.
It's like grounding centralforce in that setting.
(32:38):
So I kind of felt like a bitdisoriented, I guess, when, when
he died in the books, I I waslike, oh, I'm going to miss him.
Um, but at least Sam escapeswith Giddy and her baby son.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Uh, let's go back South.
We're going to go to theRiverlands and it's uh with Aria
.
It's a brief moment.
Yet Now it's clear whyproducers wouldn't cut this.
Uh, beric returns, but withthis more prominent role, ber,
but with a more prominent role.
Beric does show up in the firstseason I think it's episode six
but it's a different actor.
So now we have a new actor whoI think looks better for the
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role In this scene.
Arya is there to kind of add thevoice of what?
Is it condemnation to the Hound, reminding or letting the
Brotherhood know that the Houndkilled her friend Micah, like
Beric said he said she saidreminding or letting the
brotherhood know that the houndkilled her friend micah, like
barrack said.
Is he said she said so it whichleads to a trial by combat.
It's a reminder of tyrian inthe area, but this time we have
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the, the lord of light, involved.
So that's going to be aninteresting little thing which
will happen, I think, in thenext episode.
I don't remember, but that'sall of aria's little story.
Um, I like the whole setting ofit and it's kind of in a cave
in the next episode.
I don't remember, but that'sall of Arya's little story.
I like the whole setting of itand it's kind of in a cave.
In the beginning of our episodehere we do hear the audio of the
Hound not pleading for his life, because he's like you know
what, go ahead.
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If you're going to do it, goahead, do it, or try to do it,
and maybe I can get out of it.
Okay, now we're going to get tothe portion of this episode
that we've been waiting for.
I know Minwa has been reallyexcited to talk about this scene
.
It's one of the best scenes ofthe whole series and sure you
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know characters secretlyunderstanding a foreign language
is a trope.
That's kind of been done manytimes, been done many times, but
I don't know it's never landedthis satisfying when it comes to
, uh, denarius, stormborn ofhouse targaryen, the queen of
the andros and the roina and thefirst man, the lady of the
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seven kingdoms, calicia, thegreat seas, mother of dragons,
break your chains.
All that good stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I Betrayed, I betrothed, as per the veto,
magic Sad Rizzo's boost our EastCoast, our Jivali Me gay diner
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is gel mass more in Targaryenand blood.
And the narrator with the oneagain, sam Valeria moon, you
English new, he's no, I gave youValerio Muniwengos knew he's
ESA Govacade.
Axio ozentas, metio ozentasKilloni Pilos lue vale Tolvi
ozenetas Ininio tricatas urnelue tolede prishatas Dracarys
(36:03):
you know, before House of theDragon she's the only character
to ever say those words,dracarys.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
And now we've had maybe four people have said it
with the house of the dragoncrew and nobody can say it like
her.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I'm sorry no, no, no, I agree, I agree.
Like I have goosebumps, I can'tremember if I ever got
goosebumps from like bathroomhouse of the dragon and I
watched the scene.
How many times I watched thescene?
A hundred times probably.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah before you go I do want to just a little quick
note is that for this seasonamelia clark was nominated for,
I think, supporting actress foremmy.
This is the episode shesubmitted for the uh to get the
nomination.
There's something I found withthe wiki for game of thrones.
It says that daenerys is notbeing poetic when she says lo,
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valerian is her mother tongue.
She was raised in the free citysince she was an infant, and
the people of the free cityspeak different dialects of
valerian.
Viserys was a boy when theyfled westeros, so he already
knew the comment on westeros andinsisted that the neris learned
the language of the homelandthey needed to take back.
But otherwise most peopleDaenerys interacted with during
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her entire life in exile in thefree cities would have spoke
Valyrian.
In spite of this, in Pentoshiwe don't hear her speak it,
probably just to make thingssimpler for the audience and
because linguist David JPeterson hadn't given the
massive task of inventingValyrian yet and we don't get to
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see it until season three.
So that's a little note that Iwanted to throw out there.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know it's her most iconic scene in all of Game
of Thrones.
When people think of Game ofThrones of Dany, this is the
scene that they think of Becausethis is when, like that's it.
She shows everyone who she isand what I mean by that is.
She shows the audience thathave been doubting her for
seasons one and two.
You know the people that maybethey didn't really get her
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journey or her vision, or theydidn't have faith in her.
You know, when she was goingthrough Carth and all of that
hardship, they were like, Idon't know, like is she?
Does she really have it in her?
She talks about her being herright.
Can she actually be the queen?
You know, despite everything,is it just her dragons that make
her you know what I mean thinkthat she has this claim or is it
just her birth?
(38:16):
No, no, the people closest toher.
You know in the last episodeI've talked about how annoyed I
am with Jorah this season, how Ihate him.
Okay, he gets on my nerves Him,barristan Selmy.
They didn't see the vision.
They didn't believe in her andshe believed in herself.
She knew and I believed in herand sorry, I'm just, oh, I can
(38:37):
talk about her for ages.
I have to stop myself a bit.
But like this is when she showsyou who she really is, what
she's capable of, how smart sheis, that she thinks 10 steps
ahead, even when supposedly oneof the best nights in the world
bear, since I made it and seeit's coming, and she didn't want
to reveal it to them becauseshe wanted to show them and,
like in person, see who I am.
(38:57):
You know, I'm not just going totell you that, oh, it's so epic
, I love it, like there's areason.
All of this is why it's hermost iconic scene, because this
is the moment.
That that's it.
That's who she is.
She is Daenerys Stormborn ofthe House Targaryen, the first
of her name, the Unburnt Queenof the Andals and the Rhoynar
and the First Men Khaleesi ofthe Great Grass Sea, breaker of
(39:18):
Chains and Mother of Dragons.
That's it.
That's when she becomes this.
I love her.
I can't continue this one girl,but let me pause.
Let me pass the mic to you.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
This is going to be the clip I share on Instagram,
so that's great.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
No, no, please don't.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
It's the moment like this that makes the time spent
in Qarth in season two bearableand ultimately worth it.
If nothing else, the show iscontent to put us through the
necessary like how do you saygrunt work.
So future plot lines canflourish like this.
But her playing the long gamedoes work out beautifully, and I
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think what's great aboutDaenerys is that she preserves
her humanity throughout herjourney to this point.
Like, she has that deep senseof compassion and she also has
that sense of justice.
So she remains determined notto become the monster that her
family or everybody thinks she'sgoing to become.
You know the fact that shedoesn't hesitate in defining the
kind of leader she wants to belike right after she gets the
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unsullied.
Through this risky butbrilliant maneuver, she
immediately accepts it free.
She's echoing the moment whereshe liberated her khalasar at
the end of season one.
Uh, dropping the whip obviouslyis a symbol of the tyrant she
could have become.
She doesn't command them, butinstead invites them to join her
, and her gamble again pays offin a resounding gesture of 8 000
(40:47):
spears banging, banging againstthe ground.
In agreement, I will say,though, that you just read this
so you remember that theUnsullied start pounding their
spears, but they also startsaying Jarkaras.
They say Jarkaras to say okay,we're going to do this.
And also in the novel, shedoesn't drop the whip.
(41:11):
She throws the whip to Krasnusin his face and then she
releases Drogon on him with thecommands of Dracarys.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I love that detail too, because I forgot.
Now, if she says it in thespeech or if she says it later
on, by her doing that, that'sher erasing, or like telling
them that they have theirfreedom now.
Do you know what I mean and youcan follow me if you want to,
and they all want to.
I love when there are sceneswhere there's something that's
said without any dialogue,without any explicit words.
(41:38):
It's through an action, andthat's the meaning behind Danny
getting rid of that whip.
And I like that detail justbecause it's nice.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
So that's going to be all for our coverage of Season
3, episode 4.
And now his watch is ended.
What do you have the rating forthis episode?
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Minhwa Can you answer that first.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Okay, I'm going to give it 9.5 out of 10.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Wow, wow really.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I'm not doing that because that's what it's
currently rated on IMDb.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I wonder why too, I think it's currently rated on
imdb, but I wonder why too?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
yeah, I think it's just a brilliant episode that
that last part alone is worthnine points yes, yep, I can't, I
can't like disagree.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I was gonna say a nine, but you might have
convinced me to give it a 9.52,because if I don't give this a
9.5, what on earth am I gonnahave a 9.5?
I mean, on earth am I going?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
to have a 9.5?
I mean, it's so good.
I've seen it, like you said, athousand times.
I love seeing people reactingto it for the first time.
I'm assuming that your favoritescene of the episode was the
last one with Daenerys.
That's one of the easiest pickswe're going to get.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, I mean I was going to make a sarcastic joke
and be like no, actually it waslike Cersei and Tywin, which is
also a good scene, but no, noone can say anything but Dany's
scene, and if you choosesomething else, you're lying to
yourself.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
So our next episode, we'll be covering episode five
of season three, called Kissedby Fire.
It's going to be it's going tohave a lot of great scenes of
dialogue.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
The end.
It's going to probably be alannister highlight episode,
because there's also a reallygreat scene with jamie, if I'm
not mistaken, when he talksabout his backstory for the
first time, and that continuesthe arc, or like the journey, of
feeling bad for jamie, and Ican't wait, uh, to see it unfold
and I hope you guys listenalong with the next episode as
well.
Thank you so much for listeningto this episode of dancing with
dragons.
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