This week Gene asks Doug & Tommy about their experiences working for ICP at the Gathering of the Juggalo shows. There's a lot of fun stories that came out of those showsthat involved crazy things like old school guys like "Bullet" Bob Armstrong and "Cowboy" Bob Orton wrestling at 4am with nothing but flashlights lighting the ring, the cops pulling over Doug, Tommy, Brian Christopher, and Billy Gunn leaving the Gathering and the surprising end to the story, plus they discuss some other unique bookings and venues they experiencedover the years.
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From titled belts to Hall of Fame, Doug and Tommy carved the
name fits of fury and hearts of gold.
Every story, every fight retold tales of glory, laughs and cry.
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10 sea warriors with hearts openwide.
In the rain, on the air, legendsliving without a care on the mic
they roared on the map, they sawdangerous conversations.
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By 1 moon. Our guys came through the way
with this person in the race, inthe stage.
Hey everybody. Welcome back once again to
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Dangerous Conversations with Dangerous, Doug Gilbert and
Tommy Wildfire. Rich guys, how we doing this
week? Man, I'm doing great, Gene.
I'm sure Tommy is also. But it's been a been a good
week. But what about us?
So, you know, we we won't talk about wrestling, but what about
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we've been bombed Iran, hadn't we?
Yeah, I was at a show Saturday night and somebody came up to
the table over there. I was selling books and like, we
bombed Iran. I'm like, wait, what?
You know what I was going to say, Tommy?
Oh, I said that, but I was thinking we'll have another
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dozen iron sheets coming out. Oh yeah, them them Kentucky
Russians are going to have to get them a tan here pretty
quick. You got some.
Curly toed Boots and Tommy, be ready to take care of them,
won't you? Yeah, Tommy, Whoop.
The whole Iranian army. But yeah, you're right, they'll
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be they'll be sheiks coming out of the woodwork from everywhere.
Guys whiter than me and and moreredneck than me out there with a
damn tablecloth on their head and.
Hey, and them sheets have been around forever too, man, because
it's like in Detroit this weekend coming up, man.
It's a memorial for the the original sheep man.
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And you know, I wrestled him. I I had the opportunity.
I wrestled him about twice when I first got into business.
You talk about a wild magic. I was scared to death.
I was about 18. So yeah, they're all good
stories. You know, it was pretty wild.
Did did we figure out if he's going up there for Big Daddy or
Sweet Daddy? Or it's sweet daddy.
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Oh, it's not sugar daddy. Oh.
Sweet Daddy. Sweet Daddy.
All right, well, there you go. This this Saturday, June the
28th, if you're listening to us on Friday, that's tomorrow.
You can catch Tommy in Detroit on this chic memorial show for
Sweet Daddy. And then of course, tonight,
June 27th, he's going to be in Orangeburg for a big benefit
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show. I know you're looking forward to
that one. Tommy, it's a it's a dinner and
and autographs. I have a little meet and greet
afterwards. So it's it's for special cause
and everything. So really a pleasure to be there
man, staying busy. That's a good thing.
Well, that. 'D be a cool deal Tommy for the
fans and yourself. Also get to interact and and
talk with some people. Yeah, it's I'm looking forward
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to it at Orangeburg. I wrestled there years ago.
The building we wrestled in, they shut it down.
But always it's a great wrestling town.
So looking forward to meeting the people there in Orangeburg.
Won't invite them all out. Come get your pitch mag and
pitch with me. Whatever you need.
We there for it. Good deal, man.
That should and that, you know, that should be a lot of fun.
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And of course that show up in Detroit.
That's that's wild that you thatyou wrestle the chic.
I know Doug's told us a story about the chic.
I don't know if he chased you all the way out of the building,
but he chased you enough to haveyou run out of the building.
Right, yeah, I actually, I was alittle kid just getting, you
know, all the guys jackets and and the chic.
I didn't realize. It's like he didn't.
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And I don't know you. You probably know more about
this than me. Maybe Jean, maybe not, but I
don't think that chic ever come to Memphis, but about maybe
twice. And I don't know that I, and it
might just been once, but I didn't recall like, you know,
I'd seen pictures of him and different things in the
magazines and stuff. But you know, they brought him
into work against Lawler. And, and, but, and I, I laughed
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at Lawler one time because he asked me, he said, I told him
about me running and he was lastsix.
He said, you know what? He said everybody was scared of
him, he said. But really he was just kind of a
little normal guy and everything.
But I mean, his persona and the way he carried himself and that
whole gimmick, everything, I guess that's what done it to
everybody. Yeah, man, he was.
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He was so good at playing that, that role.
And you cannot find like, other than guys like you, you guys
that were actually around him ina dressing room somewhere, fans
like nobody knows what Ed Farhatsounded like.
There aren't interviews of him. He never spoke in promos.
Like as far as anybody knew, he was the chic and he played it
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24/7 back when that was the thing to do.
I was watching that Dark Side ofthe Ring this afternoon on on TV
and they had Dark side about Abdul the Butcher, and they was
talking about the sheep being the original creator of
hardcore, you know, with the blood, the guts and all of that.
You know, they were talking about how old he was and it was
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pretty. It's pretty cool watching that.
Yeah, and they did a, they did an episode, a dark side episode
on the sheep this season as well.
That's out there. And somebody told me that it was
really cool and like respectful and stuff, Jean, but I haven't
seen it. Yeah, it was, it was a, it was a
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really good episode. And, and they had, you know, sad
boos on there talking about his uncle before he had passed away
and all that. And there's a Brian Solomon
wrote an excellent book about the Chic that I read earlier
this year. That's like one of the only ones
out there. And he worked on it for a couple
years and talked to, you know, everybody he could find that had
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anything to do with the Chic. So that's that's a good read if
if somebody's wanting to learn about, you know, more about the
Chic as a promoter and a wrestler and the whole, the
whole story of the man. So that's an interesting one.
And Speaking of of interesting, Tommy, you got another show
coming up July the 4th. You're going to be at the Great
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American Wheel, right? Bash two.
It's the second one. Third number two, hey, I don't
care if if you like wrestling, if you don't, it don't matter.
They've got free food, free drinks, free wrestling.
I mean, if you just want to cometo one hell of a CND, everybody
needs to turn out and wheel right.
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If you can hear me, you're close.
Come on the wheel right? 4th of July, they're going to
have 5 fireworks. It's going to be 1 heck of a
day. Dang Gene that's fixing safer
Wasn't on the 4th mean you mightneed to meet up and ride up
there and. Give.
Them a sandwich or something? Free food, wrestling and
fireworks. What else you need wildfires
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going to be there. I saw a poster where they said I
think. I think Shane Douglas is coming
so him and Tommy may pick up where you guys left off with him
in Philadelphia. I know y'all weren't quite done
with him after. That There you go.
That's right. That's sure right.
You can't never tell what's going to happen when Tommy's
there. Hey, but you know, you're
speaking about the, the, the Iranian, the sheiks and all of
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them coming. Well, we got a set of Russians
up there that I want to invite everybody out to see.
Some Russians get their butt kicked too.
Bring your red, white and blue flags because it's going to be a
a celebration, you know? Tommy, how appropriate.
I know this might not be the correct or most politically
correct things say, but Tommy might even hit him.
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A Russian woman up there. Yeah, I'll be looking for old
Hilda. I've heard Hilda has been
causing a lot of problems for you up there Tommy, so I hope
y'all get her straightened out along with the other Russians as
well. What a more appropriate time to
do it on the 4th of July so. You ain't getting great day to
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take care of some Russians. That's right.
Well, Speaking of, you know, we said we talked about the chic,
what an interesting character hewas.
Well, I've been meaning to ask all about this for a while.
You guys were involved on some, I guess one way to put it would
be interesting shows for the Insane Clown Posse, who is a,
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you know, that's a music act. And then they've also wrestled
and, and they had Juggalo Championship Wrestling at their
gathering of the Juggalos, whereall these Insane Clown Posse
fans get together out in cave inRock, IL, out in the middle of
nowhere. And you guys were booked on some
of those shows a couple of different years.
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And we're going to kind of run down the car and talk about some
of them. But kind of how did that even
come about? How do you guys get contacted by
the Insane Clown Posse? I think Jean, for some reason, I
think the first time I did it, Ithink Kevin Gill contacted me
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and I was trying to think would,would you have the cards right
there? And I mean, I, I think I might
have been on three or something.And I know Tommy was with me.
I got a funny story about one ofthem and I know Tommy was with
me on one or two I think, but I was trying to think you have the
cards that me and him was on both on on those.
Yeah, I've got three different cards here.
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This might not be all of them, but these are the ones I could
come up with that you guys were definitely on.
So the first one, August 14th, 2010, JCW Flashlight Wrestling.
And my understanding of this is this is like 4:00 in the morning
out there and everybody's got flashlights more or less and and
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headlights to light up the ring.Right.
Is that the you're, you're exactly right that that's how it
was so. Yeah, yeah.
All you can see is that blinded light and they were throwing
cans and bottles and every damn thing else.
Yeah, you thought. I mean you can that is what it
was man. Some of the craziest stuff I've
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been on and seen in my life. It always happened man.
We come in and it been storming and that people I mean there was
people every doggone where I mean they probably was 20,000
people there if not. But I mean it was just jam
packed muddy people in a pond, you know, wash it.
I mean, and if you anything you wanted from A-Z, not that I
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participated, but it was all well out there monks and folks,
let me tell you and. And you should have seen them,
Jean. As far as dressed, I mean, it
was like like Tommy Sandy, I guess you could imagine.
I would say like what Tommy justsaid.
It was kind of like a Woodstock Y, but Wilder.
Yeah, than that maybe. And and just the different like
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people was dressed. You should say that I ain't
knocking or nothing, but they they dressed different a little
bit anyway. But you've looked out through
there and you've seen some of the wildest looking folks that
you've ever seen. Somebody told me that it was
like Woodstock meets a comic book convention.
What that that's that would be agood to me, a good kind of vibe.
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But I mean, you just saying people was just dressed so
different. You saying different, so many
different kinds of hair looking colors and and braided and just
I mean just ever anything that you could could think of, you
would say there stuff that you couldn't couldn't think of you
would say there. And right in the center of all
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them characters out there. You know who I spotted?
Who's that? The one and only Jamie Dundee.
He was out there talk to the Crown.
I bet he was right at home, right?
Oh yeah. That's his people.
I won't tell you what we had a great time.
I mean it was it was devil like they said, you seen all types of
characters and you know, like you said, the 4th, but they had,
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I mean, not just the flashlight.Every dog gone bash was some
kind of crazy man. When I and here's one thing, you
know, Tommy remembers this and and the strange thing, I don't
remember who I think he rested somebody.
I rested somebody else, but at the last that night, I think
like or maybe it wasn't the maybe it was one of those other
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times. It might not have been that time
you're talking about, but they had Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and X
POC at one of them that I think me and Tommy was at against Rd.
Dog and Billy Gunn. And who why?
I'm saying I really remember that time because Brian and
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Billy wrote with me and Tommy upthere and they've never been to
to one of these shows before as far as together and everything
and but, but, but Brian had beento 1 before, though, because I
think it was a year or two before where another funny story
we got there was in a limousine.We pulled up in a limousine
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where there's a show at like at 1:00 in the morning and like at
4:00 in the morning, right. Like he was saying the four in
the morning. Well, Brian thought he was
supposed to be on the one at 4. Like I was on.
I didn't even know there's a show at 1.
I don't think at that time. I don't even know that I've ever
been to one of them. Well, they get us in a
limousine, we're in limousine and we're pulling up and they
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pull us right up to the back. Well, as soon as as we pull up,
well now you got to realize Gene, everybody in that
limousine tore up. Well, they open the door, the
limousine we go to get out and they said he's here and they was
talking about Brian. Well, they had just been playing
his music and he thought he was on the four O clock show and he
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was on the one O clock show. So he gets out of the car and
there's some steps right there and we hadn't even seen the ring
or nothing or what was around the ring.
And they say, I say, well, give me stuff, you got to go with the
ring. So he just goes to the ring in
like some sweatpants and some tennis shoes.
But the paper pop when they see him right And he runs the ring
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and he does his, you know, the little few things that he done.
And I've got his wallet in my pocket and whatever he had in
his pockets I just put in my pockets and he ran out there and
done that. But after he done them two or
three little things, his little,you know, his little dance
things and those little punches and something else, well, he
told him to cut him off. It was a three-way match and he
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rolled out to the apron and he said one of them guys drop
kicked him or when he's going tothe ring, he didn't look what
was round the ring. The ring was about 10 foot off
the ground and so they was on a stage when he when he took a
bump off the ring, he didn't land on the stage.
He went all the way 10 foot tillhe hit the ground and it cut
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him. It cut him like down his arm.
And I mean it. That was the end of his match
basically. But we had to stop at Walgreens
and I think CBS on the way back and I was just trying to get him
good enough where he they led him on a flight to go home.
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And the kick was when we got back to Evansville, Bob was
there. Bob had been on the show like
they had, they had an early show, like a regular show,
right? Like an 8 or 9A9 gene and then
one at 1:00 and 1:00 at 4:00. Well, his dad was on that
earlier one when I got him back to Evansville to the I think
we're standing at the Drury end when I got him back, which the
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good thing was his dad was really cool, but I got him back.
He looked like he'd been in the car wreck.
I done wrapped him all up where he was cut at and shit and his
and I but like I said, everybodycalled for toe up.
Now you got to realize this and when I got him back to his dad,
he was really tore up and and I had to explain to Bob what had
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happened and I said, man, I'm sorry and I thought I'm sorry to
tore up as he is too, but I can't handle that part of it.
But anyway, I got him back to his dad and his dad and this is
like at 5:00 in the morning and they got to go straight to the
airport. Like I said, now he's all
wrapped up like a mummy and toreup is convey and I thought the
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one good thing I thought was that Bob was there because I
thought that Bob's his dad so and he listened to Bob.
He wouldn't listen to some rest of us, but he listened to Bob.
But I waited by day or two before I called him and
everything and he got home. He said, man, what happened?
I thought that's like he'd been in the car wrecked.
But that's a funny story. Another funny story.
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Listen to this one. And like I said, this was I
think the next time or something.
But so Billy and Brian ride the which they're having their
advertising NWO against DX like one of the first times that
this, you know, supposedly was happening and I was against
somebody in time. It was, and I'll let you read
the card in a minute and you tell us it was against and
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everything. But I remember this vaguely and
what it was funny going in because I was driving.
Tommy's in the front seat. No, I think Tommy was in the
back seat with Brian and Billy was in the front seat.
Well, as you're going in and out, you know the cops know all
them people are doing stuff thatthey shouldn't, right?
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So there's a roadblock when we leave or I it's my vehicle and
it's me, Tommy, Brian and Billy.Well for some reason like I said
Tommy's got back with Brian and Billy's in front with me.
Well I stopped at the roadblock and I handed the cop.
I show him a lies. I said what's going on?
He said we just need to see license and I said I'm a
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license. He ain't got no you ain't got no
drugs in there or nothing do you?
And I said no Sir. He said what are y'all doing?
I said we just got done wrestling and he shines a light
straight at Billy. Billy smiles like he's going to
know who he is and he shines a light at Brian and he don't say
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nothing to Billy nor Brian and he shines a light at Thomas and
Wildfire, Tommy, Rick. And as quick as we live there he
let us go right after that cop. Then he said ain't got no drugs
nothing. I said no Sir.
I said we just come to wrestlingwe're trying to get the heck out
of here. And he said OK y'all can go and
you tell him about fun. And I looked at Billy.
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I said he didn't know who you was, didn't he?
You know how Billy always was. And this whole deal, if it
wasn't for Tommy, we'd we'd be back there getting searched
right now. I'll set up to where?
At Billy. If you're talking about Brian
laughing, I laugh at Billy smiled like he know who he was.
He had no idea who he was. The only person he knew in the
car was Tommy. They.
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Took me to jail before. Well let's see here.
August the 14th, 2010. So the open match, the times
only met. These matches are interesting.
On some of these shows I've noticed a six man tag team
match, The Rock'n'roll Express, Ricky Morton, Robert Gibson and
Tommy Wildfire. Rich defeated Kamala and the
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haters Paulie and Vito Tomaselli. 4 minutes and 37
seconds. Well, hi, I just want to tell
you one thing, too. And Tommy probably remember this
gene, and I'm sure this is probably not.
But now we're sitting back there, they've got a big tent,
like a circus tent set up. And that's what the boys dressed
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on, which had lights in it. So, you know, we could say and
everything. And I remember looking over
there to the side of tent, whichI said hello to everybody when
we got there. But then, you know, it's so
light. She kind of left everybody
alone. But I remember Kamala sitting
over there dressed with his facepainting on a slate sitting
there and then right beside of him was T Funk and he's sitting
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over about halfway asleep. And but you look all around that
dressing room and and you tell him about the funny.
Like I said, it's that time of the morning and everything.
Like you said, Tommy and rock'n'roll against him.
And I'm not sure the Mother 2 fellas, you said, but it was a
cast of characters that they hadthere.
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Yeah, that's, I remember seeing a tape of one of these shows and
Kamala was out there because, you know, they were throwing all
that stuff in the ring like he was talking about.
And so like, Kamala's got like some Doc Martins on, like he's
got his skirt and it's yours, but he's got some big old, like,
hiking boots on, which looked odd for Kamala.
But I don't blame him. I wouldn't have been out there
barefooted with him throwing allthem bottles and shitty.
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I remember one of the funny things about Kamal Ben there too
though was they handed in the ring.
They handed one of the guys handed him a jumpman and he the
joint in his mouth and hit it and the paper went freaking
wild. You talking about funny?
So then the second match, BulletBob Armstrong defeated Cowboy
Bob Orton in 5 minutes and 19 seconds.
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Man, I can only imagine what Bullet Bob and Bob Orton are
thinking at this, looking aroundthat scene you just described
and being out here wrestling at 4:00 in the.
Morning. You know what they were both
thinking? They both think we're getting
paid good, but this is sure somewild stuff that we're looking at
because now that was one thing. They paid very well.
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I mean, if anybody says they didn't, they didn't.
I mean, I, I don't know anybody.You Tommy, remember they always
took. Yeah, it was like, yeah, money
was always, yeah, you always look forward and you know your
money was going to be there, too.
Yeah, and, and, and they was really good, Dustin.
I mean, really respectful. Anybody else can say whatever
they want, but they was always really respectful to us.
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That's what I've always heard from all the wrestlers, that
those guys paid well and they were very respectful of the
business and respectful of the guys involved in the business.
I got to talk to Tracy Smothers about these shows one night when
I was doing commentary with him on the show, because Tracy was
known to get pelted the worst ofanybody because he'd go out
there and really, you know. Give he tried to get him going
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and get exactly I mean, that washis gimmick to get him started
up and get him throw stuff at him.
Well, he, he usually succeeded, but yeah, because I asked him
about that was like, man, I don't know what they were paying
you, but it was worth getting pelted in the head because, oh,
shit. He's like, yeah, yeah.
He's like he they paid us well. But like, yeah, he had, he'd
carry that walking stick out thering and they start throwing him
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bottles of Faygo and he'd be hitting them like a baseball bat
out there. And then on the 1, he just
hurled that stick like right outin the middle of the crowd out
there. It's what did he kill somebody?
So our next tag team match? I don't know, I'm not familiar
with these two guys, but Briar Wellington and Butler Jeeves
defeated Brian Christopher and Eugene Nick Dinsmore in 5
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minutes, 29 seconds. So we got a pretty average time,
about 5 minutes on most of thesematches.
That's what's like about it. About 10 matches with what, not
up very long. Yeah, guys, I mean, they had a
bunch of matches and I mean, youknow, it was, yeah.
It just, I'd move them, man. And people and people.
Would and you got to realize Gene, they would be people come
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up also. There'd be a lot of people
there, but they would usually have other like during rafts and
other concerts getting over or starting or whatever.
And you'd have different people coming up.
And I mean, they'd have all different kind of, I'm talking
about big acts at this thing. I mean, they had different
stages, you know, like we they'dhave our thing at the ring was
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set on and they had their backs on it when the ring wasn't on
it. But they had different stages
set up there and they'd have good, good, I mean no good
entertainment there. Yeah, like they'd have like big
time singers, big time, like stand up comedians, like
nationally touring people and. They had, they had like a little
carnival thing there too. I mean, they had something for
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everybody. I guess when you draw that kind
of crowd, you got money to to get everybody paid and have
plenty of different things to see so.
But Tay, Liz said. You remember you had to take a
ferry over there? Yeah, you you take the ferry
boat over, then it took off. He's on your old man.
Oh wow, he's over on the old an island of misfits.
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That road right there out, there's a little restaurant,
they said. Take a ride up there and just
follow. Roam out.
We win. Yeah, in the middle of nowhere,
man, all of a sudden you see people everywhere.
Wow. So then Speaking of the next
match, Tracy Smothers with Isabella Smothers, which I think
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is Mickey Knuckles, I believe defeated Hacksaw Jim Duggan in 5
minutes and 5 seconds. So I'm sure that was I was
probably 20 minutes of Tracy jawing with the crowd and then
Hacksaw comes out, got a good reaction, I'm sure, I'm sure.
So. And then in the main event of
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this particular show, it was PG13, JC Ice and Wolfie D
defeated Gangrel and Kevin Thorne, which is like. 7. 7
Mordecai, he had a number of different gimmicks with Truth
Martini and they went 11 minutesand 29 seconds.
So yeah, like I said, Jamie was.Jamie.
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Jamie won't get his stuff in. And so then the following night,
August the 15th, another round of the Flashlight Wrestling
opening match, Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Ronnie Garvin
defeated Bull Pain and Ian Rotten.
Man, that's that's a combinationof people.
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You ain't kidding. Who'd you say Hacksaw Jim Duggan
and. Ronnie Garvin So we got, you
know, Mid South, WBF star, former N.W.A world champion
against Bull Pain and Ian Rotten.
So that's that. I don't have times on these
matches, which is unfortunate. But the second match, Dirty
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Dutch Mantel defeated Dangerous Doug Gilbert.
So there's a couple of Memphis guys out there in the middle of
a Juggalo show. Yeah, it was called a Memphis
Something match. I forget what they called it.
It actually had a name, Memphis,Something, I can't remember what
it was. But actually I was glad though,
because if you got to work with anybody, I mean, you sure ain't
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got to worry about, didn't have to worry about Dutch doing
nothing to you or anything this time.
No, no. I just imagine Dutch being in a
year going, what the hell have we got ourselves into?
Yeah, that's. That's what he was saying, let's
get, let's go home. He was saying, let's go home
forever. Gotten rain?
Yeah, that wasn't a play for a Yosemite Sam to be.
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In the next match, it sounds like A tag team.
This this may be where the that one spot that you mentioned
happened. Kamala and the weed man defeated
the haters, which that was the team that he Kamala had teamed
with the night before the Tomaselli's.
But I'll end the weed man I. Think that's where that did
happen at And the people freaking went crazy.
(28:02):
I I popped, I thought that's this funny stuff I ever seen.
Where else are you going to see Kamala hit a joint in the ring?
That's. Juggalo exclusive right there.
Tag team match PG13 defeated Brian Christopher and the Disco
Inferno. Now that's a fun tag team.
Brian Christopher The Disco Inferno with all the dancing and
(28:24):
such. I bet that was a heck of a
match. Disco and bride together like
both. Hi, Brad.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
And two, I remember that deal Brian and Jamie had went out in,
I say in the people. I mean, they had tents and
stuff. Gene, they've been wandering
around in the paper for a day ortwo, so they were ready, I'm
(28:46):
sure. It's a wonder you found them for
that match then. Well, they went.
Back on on bikes or something, Iain't sure what what the hell
was going on, but they come backon bicycles.
I don't know what's left in. No telling with those guys.
Singles match too tough. Tony with Terry Font defeated
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Balls, Mahoney with Masada, so I'm sure there was some blood in
that one if I had to guess. I would say so.
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And then the main event for the JCW heavyweight title, Corporal
Robinson defeated Brian Christopher.
So Brian working twice on that. Well, they get getting the
(30:14):
money's worth out of Brian wasn't Yeah, and that.
Dang, let's start. I guess I'll not say this, but
you know that Corporal Robinson was one of the main guys, right?
And he wind up printing, printing them tickets and
selling them. At one of them shows I got, I
laughed at the guy. At one of the guys, they told me
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they said they've got counterfeit tickets.
I said they've got what in which, you know, the people
could order their tickets or something before the thing and
have them and everything. So I guess he got him a print
machine or went somewhere and had one and just printed him up,
as many as he wanted, was selling them or whatever.
And I laughed. They wind up kind of tracking it
down, but I don't know if they ever got back in good terms.
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Or maybe they did, maybe they did, I don't know.
There's no telling. Corporal Robinson goes in and
out of good terms with a lot of people, so who's to say so?
So then August of the following year in 2011, this was the JCW
Legends and Icons. They actually put this one on
like a Internet pay-per-view. I think this is the one that was
(31:18):
headlined like you were talking about by like Nash and the New
Age Outlaws. So how's this for an opening
match? Steel Cage match Greg the Hammer
Valentine defeated Tito Santana in 3 minutes, 43 seconds.
Hi, I bet that was a damn barn burner if I ever been right
there. What you think, Tommy?
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I bet it was 3 minutes. Shit, they just got moving.
If you're listening to this, that this show we're talking
about is actually on YouTube. I've seen this and yeah, that's
the age. Match was definitely a barn
burner it it took them longer toset the cage up than the match
last. But but now you going to laugh,
I you and Tommy both going to laugh at this.
(32:00):
So. But now I had a match which is
somewhere y'all say it's off or whatever, but I thought it was
good. But it was, it was great.
And you know where it was at, where Myrtle Beach and yeah, and
there was about, I don't know, about 15102 thousand people
(32:21):
there. You know what the main event of
that show was? What's up Dusty against funk?
Wow, I. Bet that yes, you and Myrtle
Beach used to be the place. Hey, what a beautiful day it was
earlier today. But now we having some
thunderstorms. They're rolling through.
Yeah, I heard some noise. I heard some noise.
(32:43):
And yeah, it's storming bad herenow.
Oh. I thought that was Terry Holler
and she. So Next up, the second match on
the show is a 15 man battle roll.
So listen to this cast of characters.
Here we got Zach Gowen which is the one legged wrestler Brutus.
(33:03):
Beef that gene. Well, that's just a statement of
fact. He's he doesn't have but we.
Got to get the Figure 4 on him. Yeah, he's a flair.
Would have never beat him, but of course I don't know if he
ever did beat anybody with a Figure 4.
But anyhow, Zach Gallon, Brutus,Beefcake, Carlito, Disco
(33:25):
Inferno, Doink the Clown, The Headbangers, Mosh and Thresher,
Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jimmy Superfly, Snuka.
Is this everybody on the show oris this?
This is this is everybody in onematch.
This is a, it's a battle royal, but it was like AI guess, kind
of like a Royal Rumble type dealwhere people are coming out here
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like one at a time. One at a time.
Yeah, you got Jimmy Snooker, Rikishi, Rob Conway, Ronnie
Garvin, Tony Atlas, Eugene and big Viscera Mabel.
It's went 28 minutes and 44 seconds, and Zach Gowen won by
last eliminating Viscera. 'Cause 2 feet didn't touch the
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floor. Or that's right, he couldn't
lose his. I should've said that.
See, now what I said was just a statement of fact that the guy
had one leg, right? You made fun of the fact he
couldn't get. No, I was just playing.
I shouldn't have said that. No, just he's not too sensitive
about it. So listen to this tag team
(34:31):
match. Now this, this match would have
been a barn burner years before,but in 2011, the Rock'n'roll
Express, Ricky Morton and RobertGibson defeated the Midnight
Express, Beautiful Bobby and Loverboy Dennis in 33 seconds.
(34:51):
I don't even know how that how you even pull that off exactly.
They must. Just that show must have been
running late. They told him to get in and out
and that group, you didn't have to tell that.
You know, a lot of these kids, you tell them we want 6 minutes
and they're going to go 25 so they can get all that stuff in.
You tell some of us, all folk. Yeah, we get you.
(35:12):
When you tell us 6, we'll get you 5.
We can get it right. Five.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to save some of my stuff for next time.
That's what the kids don't understand no more.
They want to go out and do it all, you know?
Yeah. Get off some of these shows, you
know, go to the movies. It's two hours, hour and 45
minutes. Go to some of these independence
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shows. It's like a you have a midnight
match there. You know, they ain't planning on
it. But yeah, I mean it just yeah,
you don't have to tell us twice.Gene, you'd like rather see a
good hour and a half movie then you had a bad two hour and a
half movie, ain't you? Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah, That match, that show I
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was at Saturday night was long, to say the least.
Well, I was going to say what well I was going to ask you
about that was was say it was what it was 1030 or 11 maybe.
Yeah, got out, got out there a little after 10 for the number
of matches there were. It could, it could have.
It could have been over at 9930,It would have been.
(36:18):
It probably really was over at 9or something, but it's to show
the matches just kept going. Yeah, 2 intermissions and.
Where was you at? Tupelo.
Tupelo Yeah. You booked him there, didn't you
Tommy? I was there with you.
I was there with you, boy, Downtown Bruno.
That's how that's how he come about being on the show too.
(36:41):
And and your buddy Dustin Star was there and.
You probably got brewed. That's why you asking us, can he
be on there next week? Because you probably, you
probably paid him. You probably got him to pay you
to get on the show. OK, they'll say get it right
now. He might have paid me, but you
know you. I think you've known me enough
long enough now that I'm not paying anybody, Tommy.
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Although I meant that's what I meant is you probably, you
probably got him to pay you. Yeah, that's what I meant.
I suppose. I hope that's what you meant.
Well, he read. He read about half Eddie Gilbert
books sitting over at his table.He wouldn't buy 1 and I wouldn't
give him 1, so he read about half of it during the show.
But he got a thumbs up from Bruno, so there you go.
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Yeah, that's what what he told me half the truth and he said he
read all of it. I, I thought, well, you and Gene
must have a lot of freaking timeon those hands there.
Well, like I said, it was a longshow, but he managed to not have
to stay all the way to the end. But yeah, he may have read all
of it then, but yeah, he was he was happy with it.
So so then we had a seven way match.
(37:46):
Rhino defeated Too Cold, Scorpio, Al Snow Balls, Mahoney,
Raven, Sabu and Shane Douglas. Seven guys, they went 3 minutes
and 46 seconds. I made them in that too.
And you say this was a pay-per-view?
Yeah, this was an Internet pay-per-view.
Now here's what's fun. Now.
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Rock'n'roll Express went 33 seconds.
The seven ECW guys went 3 minutes and 46 seconds.
Bob Backlund defeated Ken Patera.
They went 6 minutes and 12 seconds, which I bet felt like
an hour. You know what it seems like?
I remember that. I guess I, me and Tommy was on
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this, right? Yeah, you are.
Or you are you. Know what it it seems like I
remember them sitting in that Remember Me tell you about
looking around that dressing room and said different guys and
I picture all these guys that you're saying saying under like
a circus tent at at 1/2, 3:00 inthe morning at 4:00 in the
(38:50):
morning. I mean, what a collection of
people, but I mean, and grumpy, grumpy ass Ken Patera out at the
middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, he goes up there
and puts in 6 minutes when the Midnight Express and the
Rock'n'roll Express, they're doing 30 seconds.
It's wild. And and you know what?
I guarantee you they went that long because back to the morning
(39:10):
too. Oh yeah, I'm sure it wasn't
Patera's plan. So Next up we got a five way
Memphis match. Austin Idol defeats Brick House
Brown, Doug Gilbert, Dutch Mantel and Coco Beware in 2
minutes and 42 seconds. Well, that's about 20, about 20
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seconds of peace, ain't it? Yeah, right about.
And also y'all couldn't talk Austin Idol into being the one
to go down, huh? He had.
Oh no, they probably had to makea deal with him before he'd come
if he wouldn't make them beat. Him.
I don't come unless I win, darling.
Right. All right, then, the next.
(39:53):
All right, now, now Tommy. Tommy.
Apparently these guys went out there trying to beat The
Rock'n'roll Express's time, but they missed it by three seconds.
Tracy Smothers defeated Tommy Rich in 36 seconds.
Oh yeah, I did. If I'm going to win, it might
take me a little bit to win, butif I'm going to lose, it don't
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take me long at all. Yeah, yeah, I trip coming
through that road. Beat me, you know what I'm
saying? Absolutely.
I guarantee you that was anotherone.
Deals where Tracy had probably already been out there for 10
minutes talking and you just went.
In there like. All right, let's get this done.
I can't tell you Tommy was saying let's get out of here
because they throwing shit at them.
(40:35):
Yeah, that was one in flashlightdeal.
Yeah, so then here's our here's the match we was talking about
earlier. Tag team match.
Guest referee Vampiro, Kevin Nash and X PAC with Scott Hall
defeated the New Age Outlaws, Billy Gunn and Road Dogs. 6
minutes and 27 seconds, which I remember that being a big draw.
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Like you said at the time they put, they really pushed the fact
that this is the first NWO versus DX match.
That's before they did the thingat WrestleMania with Triple
Agent staying and all that. But that wasn't the main event.
The main event. What it was supposed to be?
You said it was Nash and an X part right?
Right, with Hall in their corner.
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Yeah, it was supposed to been Nash and Hall with Xbox in the
corner and bless his heart, Scott wasn't doing the the best
that night. And and The funny thing was the
key of Xbox. He didn't want to work, but he
wind up having to work with a funny thing about and I love
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Billy and Brian, but Billy didn't even like people to touch
him sometimes. So you had X pocket, didn't want
to be in the ring and Billy didn't even want people.
I mean, I only think he would lock when you locked up with me.
He didn't want you to touch him.And it was a funny, it was a
funny type deal. If you've seen what I did back
(42:04):
there and I laughed, I thought, I thought this shit here going
to be funny. Then what's his name then?
They wasn't real excited about that.
Vampiro, Brian and Billy, wasn'tthey?
So he kind of wanted to be the star of the show, but he wasn't.
But so they've done some kind offinish where he wound up putting
off shirt. He had a NWO shirt under it or
(42:26):
something, some kind of, you know, one of them type deals.
But I but the funniest thing I remember and all that, which I
remember all of the real good, but just The funny thing was us
leaving and getting stopped and Billy smiling at that cop like
he because Billy, he was going to let us go.
He didn't know who Billy was andhe didn't know who Brian was.
(42:48):
He didn't know who I was, but heknow who Tommy was and and Tommy
talking to him. He let us right on by and we
were right on down the road. N.W.A champ save the day.
There you go. Tommy made sure he told Billy
that after we pulled After. That's why I bet.
(43:15):
I tell you something that I never realized on television
until I seen him in person at the show.
How big of a guy Billy Gunn is? Billy guns a lot bigger dude
than I. Realized he's 66 legitimate but
you got to realize freaking Brians like 6-4.
I mean, Brians a big, you know, but Billy big and Jim big and
(43:36):
everything. But I laughed.
I remember Thomas saying y'all big WWF stars, he didn't know
y'all did it. I laughed.
He was funny, but we all laughed.
So then the main event, Bob Orton and Rowdy Roddy Piper
defeated Mick Foley and Terry Funk in 4 minutes and 14
(43:58):
seconds. Damn, that's a minute and 4
seconds of pace for each of them.
One. Yeah, so.
So there you go. The guys from the the main event
of the original WrestleMania against the guys from the
deathmatch tournaments over in Japan meeting at a Juggalo show
so. Well, like I said, they had a,
(44:19):
they had a great, it wasn't justone type of individual that they
had. You can look at that, that group
there and they had a little bit of everything didn't.
It yeah, they covered all their bases there.
I mean, you go up down that car and you've got, you know, old
school guys and Memphis guys andECW guys, WCWWF, like, yeah, I
mean, there's there's something for everybody.
(44:42):
And then they had like. Allen on them shows, I mean, all
the ones we were on, I mean, it was big names all the way
through. And I mean, they didn't spare no
expense. I mean, you know, they had the
best of the best there. The the price tag on that battle
royal alone, I'd hate to know what they paid all those guys.
(45:05):
Really. It's crazy.
So I figured that had to be quite the experience.
I like I say, I've been aiming to ask you guys about that for a
while, so. Oh, it was cool, Jean.
It was like some of the wildest,like I said, you know, it depend
on how far like me and Tommy didn't get real real far away
(45:25):
from where we were supposed to be.
Were like a lot of the like mostof them guys, you sit on there,
they didn't want to be far away.They stay right in the dressing
room. But then you had some some some
of the guys want to go out and get right in the middle of it
and they'd walk out there in themiddle of the people.
And it was like I said what me and Tommy, we veered off just a
little bit, but it was it was strange what we saw now them
(45:47):
guys that went on that for them we did no telling what they saw.
Oh yeah, I mean it was it? I don't, I don't know about, I
mean, it's different. I don't know about strange.
Well, it's strange, different, you know, But hey, it's, I mean
it would, you know, if you ain'tnever seen it, it's something
y'all see. Yeah, it's, it's amazing how
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many people they draw out there to that, you know, and then for
a while they were doing it everyyear.
I don't know if they're still doing it now or not, but I know
for quite a few years it was a an annual thing every August.
Yeah, it was like I said, it wascool.
There was always real respect. What you hear people say
different things about them, butthey never.
Me and Tommy didn't ever have nothing but good dealings with
(46:33):
them and they was always real, respectful, nice to us.
Well, that's good to hear, man. That's that's, that's really
good to hear. So any other, you know, you kind
of describe that as a as a strange booking and kind of a
strange man. Any other, you know, shows over
the years that kind of stand outis not your typical wrestling
(46:54):
show that you guys have ended upon, be it together or separate?
You got it. I can't think of nothing as wild
and as strange as going out the same clown posse stag taking a
ferry over the ferry over the river and and then getting out
in the middle of nowhere and youpop up over a hill 20,000
(47:15):
peoples out there. I mean, yeah, yeah.
I don't think it gets no crazieror stranger or Wilder than than
what that was. I mean, I wrestled some in
Puerto Rico and you know, that'sit.
I mean, you talk about a wild crab, but they that's a
different style crab. They would just mean and that's
where these folks when once throwing the stuff, but most of
(47:36):
most of them there were just laid back having a good time.
You know it was you know if you ain't never been to 1.
I enjoyed that part of it too. Like Doug, you said we didn't
straight far from the tent, but you can hear like like Doug was
talking about they had two different like they had to razz
them. Was it like a stage And then
(47:58):
they had over like to your layoff was a stage where they
had a concert and then directly across to the right they had
another stage. They'd have like, you know, as
soon as one will finish, anotherstage would open in the
wrestling. And then, like I said, they had
the little carnival rides. I mean, you know, it was just a
little bit of everything and food.
(48:20):
I mean, they had it all. Yeah, yeah, it was it was
definitely a a different experience and like I said, but
it was like I said to me, it wascool just walking in the
dressing room tent deal. Like I told you that big, big
like a circumstance set up and, and, and just you picture that
(48:41):
the talent that you said that was on that show sitting in in
that thing. Yeah.
And everything. I mean, it was just it was wild.
It was wild experience. I mean, just getting all those
guys out to that remote location, you know, like
getting, you know, Bob Armstrongand Bob Backlund and Terry Funk
(49:02):
and all these guys out there in the middle of nowhere.
And I don't know, just trying topitch him on like, all right,
man, we want to book you on thisshow.
It's a wrestling show and it's going to be in the middle of the
night. It's going to be flashlights.
I can't imagine even selling that to them.
You know what they said, Gene, as far as you're talking about
selling to them, you know how they sold it to them?
This was the exact why they saidhow much do you want?
(49:27):
And, and all of them could name their price.
And I don't think anybody reallyrealized how much money they
they made and had for this. And whatever anybody said is
what they got paid. Yeah, that's.
In the plane fare, because a lotof guys, we come here from
(49:50):
Tennessee, but but most of the guys, I mean a lot of flew in,
you know, oh. Yeah.
I got a room. I mean, so then overhead on
that. I mean, it was that, you know,
just a bunch. Yeah, I would love to see like
the PNL on one of those things because like I said, just just
all the wrestlers. And then you would see like big
(50:11):
name like comedians and musicians.
And you know that I know just have a huge price tag involved.
Plus all the setup to have all those different stages and
lights and all the stuff that you got to have out there to
accommodate all those people. And so it's it's a big
undertaking. It's impressive, those guys, you
(50:32):
know, we're able to do that and do it year in and year out like
that. Well, you know what, I guess
Gene now be a little bit easier on them because me and Tommy was
just up in Illinois and so I don't guess I could say too much
to him right now. Could the time.
Yeah, we wouldn't. Have to worry about that
roadblock outside either. It's true, that's true.
(50:55):
So. Kind of on that along the same
lines, I guess sort of and this ain't really a strange bookings,
but like, you know, earlier thisyear, you guys did the you know,
you did the show with the Memphis State football game.
And I know over the years their shows like, as you know, in the
infield at race tracks during race days and there was there.
(51:17):
There used to be a couple that was cool and you said that and
brought back a memory to me thatthey would do.
And right outside of Louisville,there was a race track there and
they set a ring on a trailer like a pool behind like a, a
truck would be pulling a like a A20, say 6 foot trailer.
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And they would have a ring sitting on that trailer and they
would pull the ring as we was wrestling around the racetrack.
If if you can picture that. And I don't know if Tommy was on
any of those shows. But now you talking about
different because you know, on one side, like the sharp finish
line, you got Blazers there, then you don't have no bleachers
in the curb. You don't have no bleachers in
another curb, but on the other side you got bleachers there.
(52:01):
So we wrestle in front of the the, you know, the guy would
start, we start, we'd be wrestling.
All of a sudden we get to where there was no people.
We stopped for a minute. Then you get to where the people
as you start back, then you wrestle when he's in front of
them. He'd be going like 20 miles an
hour, so I could watch you for alittle bit, but then you get
away from him. Then we stopped for a little
(52:21):
bit. Then when you get ready to get
pulled back up on the mother, you start back wrestling.
But that was, that was one of the rather stranger deals that
and that was a Lawler deal that he had set up.
But it's a real good paid deal. And they do it a few times a
year when they was racing duringthe summer.
And that was a cool, but kind ofdifferent, you know, I hadn't
nowhere else. I'd kind of, yeah, but I don't
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think I was on that one, no. I don't think, I don't think I
made that one, but but now that was cool.
And then? Lawler also had a deal in
Evansville at the horse track And once I it wasn't so much
different, but it was just as far as the place it was at.
It was at a horse track in the building there at the horse
(53:04):
track, like there was seats out behind it, but if you look at
the windows, there was like windows on one side of the ring,
no paper, but like where people could see the horses racing and
but they said a ring right there.
So if we looked at you know, youcould say the horse track, but
then you will you work towards the fans that was on your
backside. So that was kind of another
different, but that was a a goodpaid deal to that Lawler had
(53:26):
with the guy and that was kind of a Noah unorthodox deal.
Yeah, because you're, I mean, you're at.
A venue where it's not necessarily wrestling fans, they
didn't always come there expecting to even see that.
So I guess you got to kind of change your, you know, you're
not playing off TV angles or. Anything you're just having.
(53:48):
A match, basically. Well, yeah, but the the cool
thing our TV did. Still go into Evansville at this
at this time and everything. So they still kind of knew all
us, but it was something had happened with the Evansville
Coliseum at at this time I'm talking about.
So we what happened was a business guy that had plenty of
(54:08):
money had contacted Lawler and he made a deal with him And but
that was a another story that but it was a cool, like I said
that I think that lasted like four or five months and that was
a kind of a cool deal. Actually, I think it wasn't.
I think it was in Henderson right across the the bridge from
Evansville, actually. Gotcha.
(54:32):
I know over the years different promotions have done shows in
prisons of either one of y'all ever been on any of those prison
shows? I have.
Not have you, Tommy? No, I.
Don't think I have either. I was watching 1.
Recent like here, recently is 1 like.
Terry Golden's kW did a show it at a prison there, somewhere
(54:55):
outside of Memphis. And then I know there's that
one. Gosh, there's there's some
Memphis show. That there's clips.
Of from a prison as well so justwondering that seems like that
would be interesting feedback yeah that's that's kind of I
mean I. Believe they've had them and
everything, but that kind of be a hard sell, wasn't it, When
(55:17):
you're trying to not promote violence?
And yeah, it looks like they wouldn't even want that.
There to give like. It rile them up and get them,
you know, get it, get it potentially be a problem, you
know, and you and you certainly wouldn't want to be the babyface
in that situation. You know, you wouldn't want to
be, you know, Jared and 86 or something out there.
(55:38):
Hey, that might need to be what we need to do is send Tommy.
To all the prisons to see if we can get some restless shows at
the prisons. The Memphis Mafia prison.
Tour 20. 25 There you go. There you go, Tommy.
We'll see if we can get you on that theme.
Song could be jailhouse rock. That's funny.
(56:01):
I was trying to thank Gene any any other like, like you said, I
mean, to me and Tommy, it's not that it's not normal, but like
the I love like the where we wrestle with the Memphis Tigers
saying, you know, we we've done stuff like that kind of all
around the country. But I think me and Tommy kind of
think that's normal, even thoughto the most people it wouldn't
be normal. Like for the different, like,
(56:22):
you know, doing stuff at the I'dsay like the Grizzlies games are
going. Here's a different thing too,
for the the NCAA for the Music City Bowl.
I used to go there every year for Jeff Jarrett had a deal set
up through Pro Wrestling Entertainment.
It's that still goes on today atthe Opryland Hotel.
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They got 2 banquet rooms and they put one team in one banquet
room instead of ring up in thereand put the other football team
in another banquet room because I don't want them together, you
know, from get into it or anything.
And they have like 2 wrestling shows and that that's kind of a
cool deal. And he always definitely took
care of me good on it and got mea room at the Opryland Hotel for
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a night, which I take my wife upthere and she'd like that.
And we'd stay and we did rest ofSheldon go out and eat and
everything. And then he'd always give me
tickets to the game the next daybecause the game was the
following day. So I went up up there, I got to
see the balls, which, you know, balls are my favorite, which I
like a lot of football teams, but but the balls actually
played in one of them when I wasup there.
And that was cool. But he'd always give me a couple
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tickets for me and Melissa and he'd really take care of me on
Monday and everything I was thatI thought that was, you know, a
different aspect that people would know because the only
people that got to come to it was actually the football, the 2
football teams and like their coaches and their staff and
stuff. So that was kind of neat.
Different. Yeah.
So it's like a, it's a private show just for the.
Teens, you're not letting general public in.
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Yeah, exactly. Remember wrestling?
On the barge one time, I don't remember where it was at, but
it's on the water. Most definitely on the water,
but it made event one of the guys took a bump off off down to
the water with his boots and allon.
Oh man, he done lost his mind yeah, that was kind of it was
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there. I mean you know it's I mean it's
big enough people's on it. I mean it was pretty cool.
I mean it's nice. It's hot and and Tommy.
'S talking about bars, Gene, I told you about the bar that I
don't mean bar, but I guess yourcomedy club, Me and Tommy
wrestling in there. Where you come to the comedy
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club in Jackson. Yeah, yeah, Jackson there.
Yeah, me and Tommy. Wrestled in there a couple times
which are. Our buddy owns it, Frankie
Lacks, and she's friend of mine,Tommy's and everything.
He owns both of them. I think him and his friends
still on both of those. There's one and then one right
across the road from it, but we dress in one and wrestle in the
other. But that was one that made it.
Marlin deals. He, Eddie Marlin set that up
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back years ago, and me and Tommywrestled there for the office
and everything, and that was kind of cool there.
Yeah, I could see that being a cool setup.
For wrestling in there, the way that place is laid out, yeah, it
was. It was neat.
Well, guys, we've we've. We've got there another one.
It's already been an hour. So we're going to go ahead and
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and wrap things up for this weekand then we may be back with a
guest next week. If not, we we may be answering
some questions. We'll see how how things go.
Well, that's what Tommy said, that he wants some.
Questions. He likes answering them
questions and everything. I guarantee you when we get off
this, when we get off here tonight, Tommy, I think it's
more Dame buildings that, he rasped in that, that, that they
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odd or something. Well, that's how we can.
Start the show next week with any.
Odd ones that that you guys think of throughout the week
between now and then. So I got you.
Good deal. Listen, man, Tommy.
What you got a lot of stuff to do you, Gene said.
You're going to be in Detroit and and we'll write and work.
How did you draw it? Saturday and then July, the 4th
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wheel ride, I mean it's going tobe a big show.
Looking forward to that. Hey, I'll just keep sending them
questions in. Anything you need to know and if
y'all got some boogies, whether it's a birthday party, a party,
whatever. Doug and me is available.
You sure are. Listen, everybody knows to
contact. Gene, Gene, everybody's got to,
they can get a hold of you and to get to us and everything.
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Listen. Thanks everybody for listening.
And if you got any questions, you need to know anything.
All you got to do is ask Gene and he'll get with us to listen.
Everybody, peace, be cool in theheart of Tennessee.
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Hey everybody. Welcome back once again to
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Dangerous Conversations with Dangerous, Doug Gilbert and
Tommy Wildfire. Rich guys, how we doing this
week? Man, I'm doing great, Gene.
I'm sure Tommy is also. But it's been a been a good
week. But what about us?
So, you know, we we won't talk about wrestling, but what about
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we've been bombed Iran, hadn't we?
Yeah, I was at a show Saturday night and somebody came up to
the table over there. I was selling books and like, we
bombed Iran. I'm like, wait, what?
You know what I was going to say, Tommy?
Oh, I said that, but I was thinking we'll have another
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dozen iron sheets coming out. Oh yeah, them them Kentucky
Russians are going to have to get them a tan here pretty
quick. You got some.
Curly toed Boots and Tommy, be ready to take care of them,
won't you? Yeah, Tommy, Whoop.
The whole Iranian army. But yeah, you're right, they'll
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be they'll be sheiks coming out of the woodwork from everywhere.
Guys whiter than me and and moreredneck than me out there with a
damn tablecloth on their head and.
Hey, and them sheets have been around forever too, man, because
it's like in Detroit this weekend coming up, man.
It's a memorial for the the original sheep man.
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And you know, I wrestled him. I I had the opportunity.
I wrestled him about twice when I first got into business.
You talk about a wild magic. I was scared to death.
I was about 18. So yeah, they're all good
stories. You know, it was pretty wild.
Did did we figure out if he's going up there for Big Daddy or
Sweet Daddy? Or it's sweet daddy.
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Oh, it's not sugar daddy. Oh.
Sweet Daddy. Sweet Daddy.
All right, well, there you go. This this Saturday, June the
28th, if you're listening to us on Friday, that's tomorrow.
You can catch Tommy in Detroit on this chic memorial show for
Sweet Daddy. And then of course, tonight,
June 27th, he's going to be in Orangeburg for a big benefit
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show. I know you're looking forward to
that one. Tommy, it's a it's a dinner and
and autographs. I have a little meet and greet
afterwards. So it's it's for special cause
and everything. So really a pleasure to be there
man, staying busy. That's a good thing.
Well, that. 'D be a cool deal Tommy for the
fans and yourself. Also get to interact and and
talk with some people. Yeah, it's I'm looking forward
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to it at Orangeburg. I wrestled there years ago.
The building we wrestled in, they shut it down.
But always it's a great wrestling town.
So looking forward to meeting the people there in Orangeburg.
Won't invite them all out. Come get your pitch mag and
pitch with me. Whatever you need.
We there for it. Good deal, man.
That should and that, you know, that should be a lot of fun.
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And of course that show up in Detroit.
That's that's wild that you thatyou wrestle the chic.
I know Doug's told us a story about the chic.
I don't know if he chased you all the way out of the building,
but he chased you enough to haveyou run out of the building.
Right, yeah, I actually, I was alittle kid just getting, you
know, all the guys jackets and and the chic.
I didn't realize. It's like he didn't.
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And I don't know you. You probably know more about
this than me. Maybe Jean, maybe not, but I
don't think that chic ever come to Memphis, but about maybe
twice. And I don't know that I, and it
might just been once, but I didn't recall like, you know,
I'd seen pictures of him and different things in the
magazines and stuff. But you know, they brought him
into work against Lawler. And, and, but, and I, I laughed
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at Lawler one time because he asked me, he said, I told him
about me running and he was lastsix.
He said, you know what? He said everybody was scared of
him, he said. But really he was just kind of a
little normal guy and everything.
But I mean, his persona and the way he carried himself and that
whole gimmick, everything, I guess that's what done it to
everybody. Yeah, man, he was.
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He was so good at playing that, that role.
And you cannot find like, other than guys like you, you guys
that were actually around him ina dressing room somewhere, fans
like nobody knows what Ed Farhatsounded like.
There aren't interviews of him. He never spoke in promos.
Like as far as anybody knew, he was the chic and he played it
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24/7 back when that was the thing to do.
I was watching that Dark Side ofthe Ring this afternoon on on TV
and they had Dark side about Abdul the Butcher, and they was
talking about the sheep being the original creator of
hardcore, you know, with the blood, the guts and all of that.
You know, they were talking about how old he was and it was
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pretty. It's pretty cool watching that.
Yeah, and they did a, they did an episode, a dark side episode
on the sheep this season as well.
That's out there. And somebody told me that it was
really cool and like respectful and stuff, Jean, but I haven't
seen it. Yeah, it was, it was a, it was a
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really good episode. And, and they had, you know, sad
boos on there talking about his uncle before he had passed away
and all that. And there's a Brian Solomon
wrote an excellent book about the Chic that I read earlier
this year. That's like one of the only ones
out there. And he worked on it for a couple
years and talked to, you know, everybody he could find that had
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anything to do with the Chic. So that's that's a good read if
if somebody's wanting to learn about, you know, more about the
Chic as a promoter and a wrestler and the whole, the
whole story of the man. So that's an interesting one.
And Speaking of of interesting, Tommy, you got another show
coming up July the 4th. You're going to be at the Great
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American Wheel, right? Bash two.
It's the second one. Third number two, hey, I don't
care if if you like wrestling, if you don't, it don't matter.
They've got free food, free drinks, free wrestling.
I mean, if you just want to cometo one hell of a CND, everybody
needs to turn out and wheel right.
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If you can hear me, you're close.
Come on the wheel right? 4th of July, they're going to
have 5 fireworks. It's going to be 1 heck of a
day. Dang Gene that's fixing safer
Wasn't on the 4th mean you mightneed to meet up and ride up
there and. Give.
Them a sandwich or something? Free food, wrestling and
fireworks. What else you need wildfires
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going to be there. I saw a poster where they said I
think. I think Shane Douglas is coming
so him and Tommy may pick up where you guys left off with him
in Philadelphia. I know y'all weren't quite done
with him after. That There you go.
That's right. That's sure right.
You can't never tell what's going to happen when Tommy's
there. Hey, but you know, you're
speaking about the, the, the Iranian, the sheiks and all of
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them coming. Well, we got a set of Russians
up there that I want to invite everybody out to see.
Some Russians get their butt kicked too.
Bring your red, white and blue flags because it's going to be a
a celebration, you know? Tommy, how appropriate.
I know this might not be the correct or most politically
correct things say, but Tommy might even hit him.
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A Russian woman up there. Yeah, I'll be looking for old
Hilda. I've heard Hilda has been
causing a lot of problems for you up there Tommy, so I hope
y'all get her straightened out along with the other Russians as
well. What a more appropriate time to
do it on the 4th of July so. You ain't getting great day to
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take care of some Russians. That's right.
Well, Speaking of, you know, we said we talked about the chic,
what an interesting character hewas.
Well, I've been meaning to ask all about this for a while.
You guys were involved on some, I guess one way to put it would
be interesting shows for the Insane Clown Posse, who is a,
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you know, that's a music act. And then they've also wrestled
and, and they had Juggalo Championship Wrestling at their
gathering of the Juggalos, whereall these Insane Clown Posse
fans get together out in cave inRock, IL, out in the middle of
nowhere. And you guys were booked on some
of those shows a couple of different years.
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And we're going to kind of run down the car and talk about some
of them. But kind of how did that even
come about? How do you guys get contacted by
the Insane Clown Posse? I think Jean, for some reason, I
think the first time I did it, Ithink Kevin Gill contacted me
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and I was trying to think would,would you have the cards right
there? And I mean, I, I think I might
have been on three or something.And I know Tommy was with me.
I got a funny story about one ofthem and I know Tommy was with
me on one or two I think, but I was trying to think you have the
cards that me and him was on both on on those.
Yeah, I've got three different cards here.
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This might not be all of them, but these are the ones I could
come up with that you guys were definitely on.
So the first one, August 14th, 2010, JCW Flashlight Wrestling.
And my understanding of this is this is like 4:00 in the morning
out there and everybody's got flashlights more or less and and
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headlights to light up the ring.Right.
Is that the you're, you're exactly right that that's how it
was so. Yeah, yeah.
All you can see is that blinded light and they were throwing
cans and bottles and every damn thing else.
Yeah, you thought. I mean you can that is what it
was man. Some of the craziest stuff I've
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been on and seen in my life. It always happened man.
We come in and it been storming and that people I mean there was
people every doggone where I mean they probably was 20,000
people there if not. But I mean it was just jam
packed muddy people in a pond, you know, wash it.
I mean, and if you anything you wanted from A-Z, not that I
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participated, but it was all well out there monks and folks,
let me tell you and. And you should have seen them,
Jean. As far as dressed, I mean, it
was like like Tommy Sandy, I guess you could imagine.
I would say like what Tommy justsaid.
It was kind of like a Woodstock Y, but Wilder.
Yeah, than that maybe. And and just the different like
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people was dressed. You should say that I ain't
knocking or nothing, but they they dressed different a little
bit anyway. But you've looked out through
there and you've seen some of the wildest looking folks that
you've ever seen. Somebody told me that it was
like Woodstock meets a comic book convention.
What that that's that would be agood to me, a good kind of vibe.
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But I mean, you just saying people was just dressed so
different. You saying different, so many
different kinds of hair looking colors and and braided and just
I mean just ever anything that you could could think of, you
would say there stuff that you couldn't couldn't think of you
would say there. And right in the center of all
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them characters out there. You know who I spotted?
Who's that? The one and only Jamie Dundee.
He was out there talk to the Crown.
I bet he was right at home, right?
Oh yeah. That's his people.
I won't tell you what we had a great time.
I mean it was it was devil like they said, you seen all types of
characters and you know, like you said, the 4th, but they had,
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I mean, not just the flashlight.Every dog gone bash was some
kind of crazy man. When I and here's one thing, you
know, Tommy remembers this and and the strange thing, I don't
remember who I think he rested somebody.
I rested somebody else, but at the last that night, I think
like or maybe it wasn't the maybe it was one of those other
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times. It might not have been that time
you're talking about, but they had Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and X
POC at one of them that I think me and Tommy was at against Rd.
Dog and Billy Gunn. And who why?
I'm saying I really remember that time because Brian and
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Billy wrote with me and Tommy upthere and they've never been to
to one of these shows before as far as together and everything
and but, but, but Brian had beento 1 before, though, because I
think it was a year or two before where another funny story
we got there was in a limousine.We pulled up in a limousine
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where there's a show at like at 1:00 in the morning and like at
4:00 in the morning, right. Like he was saying the four in
the morning. Well, Brian thought he was
supposed to be on the one at 4. Like I was on.
I didn't even know there's a show at 1.
I don't think at that time. I don't even know that I've ever
been to one of them. Well, they get us in a
limousine, we're in limousine and we're pulling up and they
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pull us right up to the back. Well, as soon as as we pull up,
well now you got to realize Gene, everybody in that
limousine tore up. Well, they open the door, the
limousine we go to get out and they said he's here and they was
talking about Brian. Well, they had just been playing
his music and he thought he was on the four O clock show and he
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was on the one O clock show. So he gets out of the car and
there's some steps right there and we hadn't even seen the ring
or nothing or what was around the ring.
And they say, I say, well, give me stuff, you got to go with the
ring. So he just goes to the ring in
like some sweatpants and some tennis shoes.
But the paper pop when they see him right And he runs the ring
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and he does his, you know, the little few things that he done.
And I've got his wallet in my pocket and whatever he had in
his pockets I just put in my pockets and he ran out there and
done that. But after he done them two or
three little things, his little,you know, his little dance
things and those little punches and something else, well, he
told him to cut him off. It was a three-way match and he
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rolled out to the apron and he said one of them guys drop
kicked him or when he's going tothe ring, he didn't look what
was round the ring. The ring was about 10 foot off
the ground and so they was on a stage when he when he took a
bump off the ring, he didn't land on the stage.
He went all the way 10 foot tillhe hit the ground and it cut
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him. It cut him like down his arm.
And I mean it. That was the end of his match
basically. But we had to stop at Walgreens
and I think CBS on the way back and I was just trying to get him
good enough where he they led him on a flight to go home.
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And the kick was when we got back to Evansville, Bob was
there. Bob had been on the show like
they had, they had an early show, like a regular show,
right? Like an 8 or 9A9 gene and then
one at 1:00 and 1:00 at 4:00. Well, his dad was on that
earlier one when I got him back to Evansville to the I think
we're standing at the Drury end when I got him back, which the
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good thing was his dad was really cool, but I got him back.
He looked like he'd been in the car wreck.
I done wrapped him all up where he was cut at and shit and his
and I but like I said, everybodycalled for toe up.
Now you got to realize this and when I got him back to his dad,
he was really tore up and and I had to explain to Bob what had
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happened and I said, man, I'm sorry and I thought I'm sorry to
tore up as he is too, but I can't handle that part of it.
But anyway, I got him back to his dad and his dad and this is
like at 5:00 in the morning and they got to go straight to the
airport. Like I said, now he's all
wrapped up like a mummy and toreup is convey and I thought the
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one good thing I thought was that Bob was there because I
thought that Bob's his dad so and he listened to Bob.
He wouldn't listen to some rest of us, but he listened to Bob.
But I waited by day or two before I called him and
everything and he got home. He said, man, what happened?
I thought that's like he'd been in the car wrecked.
But that's a funny story. Another funny story.
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Listen to this one. And like I said, this was I
think the next time or something.
But so Billy and Brian ride the which they're having their
advertising NWO against DX like one of the first times that
this, you know, supposedly was happening and I was against
somebody in time. It was, and I'll let you read
the card in a minute and you tell us it was against and
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everything. But I remember this vaguely and
what it was funny going in because I was driving.
Tommy's in the front seat. No, I think Tommy was in the
back seat with Brian and Billy was in the front seat.
Well, as you're going in and out, you know the cops know all
them people are doing stuff thatthey shouldn't, right?
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So there's a roadblock when we leave or I it's my vehicle and
it's me, Tommy, Brian and Billy.Well for some reason like I said
Tommy's got back with Brian and Billy's in front with me.
Well I stopped at the roadblock and I handed the cop.
I show him a lies. I said what's going on?
He said we just need to see license and I said I'm a
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license. He ain't got no you ain't got no
drugs in there or nothing do you?
And I said no Sir. He said what are y'all doing?
I said we just got done wrestling and he shines a light
straight at Billy. Billy smiles like he's going to
know who he is and he shines a light at Brian and he don't say
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nothing to Billy nor Brian and he shines a light at Thomas and
Wildfire, Tommy, Rick. And as quick as we live there he
let us go right after that cop. Then he said ain't got no drugs
nothing. I said no Sir.
I said we just come to wrestlingwe're trying to get the heck out
of here. And he said OK y'all can go and
you tell him about fun. And I looked at Billy.
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I said he didn't know who you was, didn't he?
You know how Billy always was. And this whole deal, if it
wasn't for Tommy, we'd we'd be back there getting searched
right now. I'll set up to where?
At Billy. If you're talking about Brian
laughing, I laugh at Billy smiled like he know who he was.
He had no idea who he was. The only person he knew in the
car was Tommy. They.
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Took me to jail before. Well let's see here.
August the 14th, 2010. So the open match, the times
only met. These matches are interesting.
On some of these shows I've noticed a six man tag team
match, The Rock'n'roll Express, Ricky Morton, Robert Gibson and
Tommy Wildfire. Rich defeated Kamala and the
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haters Paulie and Vito Tomaselli. 4 minutes and 37
seconds. Well, hi, I just want to tell
you one thing, too. And Tommy probably remember this
gene, and I'm sure this is probably not.
But now we're sitting back there, they've got a big tent,
like a circus tent set up. And that's what the boys dressed
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on, which had lights in it. So, you know, we could say and
everything. And I remember looking over
there to the side of tent, whichI said hello to everybody when
we got there. But then, you know, it's so
light. She kind of left everybody
alone. But I remember Kamala sitting
over there dressed with his facepainting on a slate sitting
there and then right beside of him was T Funk and he's sitting
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over about halfway asleep. And but you look all around that
dressing room and and you tell him about the funny.
Like I said, it's that time of the morning and everything.
Like you said, Tommy and rock'n'roll against him.
And I'm not sure the Mother 2 fellas, you said, but it was a
cast of characters that they hadthere.
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Yeah, that's, I remember seeing a tape of one of these shows and
Kamala was out there because, you know, they were throwing all
that stuff in the ring like he was talking about.
And so like, Kamala's got like some Doc Martins on, like he's
got his skirt and it's yours, but he's got some big old, like,
hiking boots on, which looked odd for Kamala.
But I don't blame him. I wouldn't have been out there
barefooted with him throwing allthem bottles and shitty.
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I remember one of the funny things about Kamal Ben there too
though was they handed in the ring.
They handed one of the guys handed him a jumpman and he the
joint in his mouth and hit it and the paper went freaking
wild. You talking about funny?
So then the second match, BulletBob Armstrong defeated Cowboy
Bob Orton in 5 minutes and 19 seconds.
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Man, I can only imagine what Bullet Bob and Bob Orton are
thinking at this, looking aroundthat scene you just described
and being out here wrestling at 4:00 in the.
Morning. You know what they were both
thinking? They both think we're getting
paid good, but this is sure somewild stuff that we're looking at
because now that was one thing. They paid very well.
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I mean, if anybody says they didn't, they didn't.
I mean, I, I don't know anybody.You Tommy, remember they always
took. Yeah, it was like, yeah, money
was always, yeah, you always look forward and you know your
money was going to be there, too.
Yeah, and, and, and they was really good, Dustin.
I mean, really respectful. Anybody else can say whatever
they want, but they was always really respectful to us.
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That's what I've always heard from all the wrestlers, that
those guys paid well and they were very respectful of the
business and respectful of the guys involved in the business.
I got to talk to Tracy Smothers about these shows one night when
I was doing commentary with him on the show, because Tracy was
known to get pelted the worst ofanybody because he'd go out
there and really, you know. Give he tried to get him going
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and get exactly I mean, that washis gimmick to get him started
up and get him throw stuff at him.
Well, he, he usually succeeded, but yeah, because I asked him
about that was like, man, I don't know what they were paying
you, but it was worth getting pelted in the head because, oh,
shit. He's like, yeah, yeah.
He's like he they paid us well. But like, yeah, he had, he'd
carry that walking stick out thering and they start throwing him
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bottles of Faygo and he'd be hitting them like a baseball bat
out there. And then on the 1, he just
hurled that stick like right outin the middle of the crowd out
there. It's what did he kill somebody?
So our next tag team match? I don't know, I'm not familiar
with these two guys, but Briar Wellington and Butler Jeeves
defeated Brian Christopher and Eugene Nick Dinsmore in 5
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minutes, 29 seconds. So we got a pretty average time,
about 5 minutes on most of thesematches.
That's what's like about it. About 10 matches with what, not
up very long. Yeah, guys, I mean, they had a
bunch of matches and I mean, youknow, it was, yeah.
It just, I'd move them, man. And people and people.
Would and you got to realize Gene, they would be people come
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up also. There'd be a lot of people
there, but they would usually have other like during rafts and
other concerts getting over or starting or whatever.
And you'd have different people coming up.
And I mean, they'd have all different kind of, I'm talking
about big acts at this thing. I mean, they had different
stages, you know, like we they'dhave our thing at the ring was
(24:26):
set on and they had their backs on it when the ring wasn't on
it. But they had different stages
set up there and they'd have good, good, I mean no good
entertainment there. Yeah, like they'd have like big
time singers, big time, like stand up comedians, like
nationally touring people and. They had, they had like a little
carnival thing there too. I mean, they had something for
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everybody. I guess when you draw that kind
of crowd, you got money to to get everybody paid and have
plenty of different things to see so.
But Tay, Liz said. You remember you had to take a
ferry over there? Yeah, you you take the ferry
boat over, then it took off. He's on your old man.
Oh wow, he's over on the old an island of misfits.
(25:13):
That road right there out, there's a little restaurant,
they said. Take a ride up there and just
follow. Roam out.
We win. Yeah, in the middle of nowhere,
man, all of a sudden you see people everywhere.
Wow. So then Speaking of the next
match, Tracy Smothers with Isabella Smothers, which I think
(25:33):
is Mickey Knuckles, I believe defeated Hacksaw Jim Duggan in 5
minutes and 5 seconds. So I'm sure that was I was
probably 20 minutes of Tracy jawing with the crowd and then
Hacksaw comes out, got a good reaction, I'm sure, I'm sure.
So. And then in the main event of
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this particular show, it was PG13, JC Ice and Wolfie D
defeated Gangrel and Kevin Thorne, which is like. 7. 7
Mordecai, he had a number of different gimmicks with Truth
Martini and they went 11 minutesand 29 seconds.
So yeah, like I said, Jamie was.Jamie.
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Jamie won't get his stuff in. And so then the following night,
August the 15th, another round of the Flashlight Wrestling
opening match, Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Ronnie Garvin
defeated Bull Pain and Ian Rotten.
Man, that's that's a combinationof people.
(26:35):
You ain't kidding. Who'd you say Hacksaw Jim Duggan
and. Ronnie Garvin So we got, you
know, Mid South, WBF star, former N.W.A world champion
against Bull Pain and Ian Rotten.
So that's that. I don't have times on these
matches, which is unfortunate. But the second match, Dirty
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Dutch Mantel defeated Dangerous Doug Gilbert.
So there's a couple of Memphis guys out there in the middle of
a Juggalo show. Yeah, it was called a Memphis
Something match. I forget what they called it.
It actually had a name, Memphis,Something, I can't remember what
it was. But actually I was glad though,
because if you got to work with anybody, I mean, you sure ain't
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got to worry about, didn't have to worry about Dutch doing
nothing to you or anything this time.
No, no. I just imagine Dutch being in a
year going, what the hell have we got ourselves into?
Yeah, that's. That's what he was saying, let's
get, let's go home. He was saying, let's go home
forever. Gotten rain?
Yeah, that wasn't a play for a Yosemite Sam to be.
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In the next match, it sounds like A tag team.
This this may be where the that one spot that you mentioned
happened. Kamala and the weed man defeated
the haters, which that was the team that he Kamala had teamed
with the night before the Tomaselli's.
But I'll end the weed man I. Think that's where that did
happen at And the people freaking went crazy.
(28:02):
I I popped, I thought that's this funny stuff I ever seen.
Where else are you going to see Kamala hit a joint in the ring?
That's. Juggalo exclusive right there.
Tag team match PG13 defeated Brian Christopher and the Disco
Inferno. Now that's a fun tag team.
Brian Christopher The Disco Inferno with all the dancing and
(28:24):
such. I bet that was a heck of a
match. Disco and bride together like
both. Hi, Brad.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
And two, I remember that deal Brian and Jamie had went out in,
I say in the people. I mean, they had tents and
stuff. Gene, they've been wandering
around in the paper for a day ortwo, so they were ready, I'm
(28:46):
sure. It's a wonder you found them for
that match then. Well, they went.
Back on on bikes or something, Iain't sure what what the hell
was going on, but they come backon bicycles.
I don't know what's left in. No telling with those guys.
Singles match too tough. Tony with Terry Font defeated
(29:09):
Balls, Mahoney with Masada, so I'm sure there was some blood in
that one if I had to guess. I would say so.
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And then the main event for the JCW heavyweight title, Corporal
Robinson defeated Brian Christopher.
So Brian working twice on that. Well, they get getting the
(30:14):
money's worth out of Brian wasn't Yeah, and that.
Dang, let's start. I guess I'll not say this, but
you know that Corporal Robinson was one of the main guys, right?
And he wind up printing, printing them tickets and
selling them. At one of them shows I got, I
laughed at the guy. At one of the guys, they told me
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they said they've got counterfeit tickets.
I said they've got what in which, you know, the people
could order their tickets or something before the thing and
have them and everything. So I guess he got him a print
machine or went somewhere and had one and just printed him up,
as many as he wanted, was selling them or whatever.
And I laughed. They wind up kind of tracking it
down, but I don't know if they ever got back in good terms.
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Or maybe they did, maybe they did, I don't know.
There's no telling. Corporal Robinson goes in and
out of good terms with a lot of people, so who's to say so?
So then August of the following year in 2011, this was the JCW
Legends and Icons. They actually put this one on
like a Internet pay-per-view. I think this is the one that was
(31:18):
headlined like you were talking about by like Nash and the New
Age Outlaws. So how's this for an opening
match? Steel Cage match Greg the Hammer
Valentine defeated Tito Santana in 3 minutes, 43 seconds.
Hi, I bet that was a damn barn burner if I ever been right
there. What you think, Tommy?
(31:38):
I bet it was 3 minutes. Shit, they just got moving.
If you're listening to this, that this show we're talking
about is actually on YouTube. I've seen this and yeah, that's
the age. Match was definitely a barn
burner it it took them longer toset the cage up than the match
last. But but now you going to laugh,
I you and Tommy both going to laugh at this.
(32:00):
So. But now I had a match which is
somewhere y'all say it's off or whatever, but I thought it was
good. But it was, it was great.
And you know where it was at, where Myrtle Beach and yeah, and
there was about, I don't know, about 15102 thousand people
(32:21):
there. You know what the main event of
that show was? What's up Dusty against funk?
Wow, I. Bet that yes, you and Myrtle
Beach used to be the place. Hey, what a beautiful day it was
earlier today. But now we having some
thunderstorms. They're rolling through.
Yeah, I heard some noise. I heard some noise.
(32:43):
And yeah, it's storming bad herenow.
Oh. I thought that was Terry Holler
and she. So Next up, the second match on
the show is a 15 man battle roll.
So listen to this cast of characters.
Here we got Zach Gowen which is the one legged wrestler Brutus.
(33:03):
Beef that gene. Well, that's just a statement of
fact. He's he doesn't have but we.
Got to get the Figure 4 on him. Yeah, he's a flair.
Would have never beat him, but of course I don't know if he
ever did beat anybody with a Figure 4.
But anyhow, Zach Gallon, Brutus,Beefcake, Carlito, Disco
(33:25):
Inferno, Doink the Clown, The Headbangers, Mosh and Thresher,
Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Jimmy Superfly, Snuka.
Is this everybody on the show oris this?
This is this is everybody in onematch.
This is a, it's a battle royal, but it was like AI guess, kind
of like a Royal Rumble type dealwhere people are coming out here
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like one at a time. One at a time.
Yeah, you got Jimmy Snooker, Rikishi, Rob Conway, Ronnie
Garvin, Tony Atlas, Eugene and big Viscera Mabel.
It's went 28 minutes and 44 seconds, and Zach Gowen won by
last eliminating Viscera. 'Cause 2 feet didn't touch the
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floor. Or that's right, he couldn't
lose his. I should've said that.
See, now what I said was just a statement of fact that the guy
had one leg, right? You made fun of the fact he
couldn't get. No, I was just playing.
I shouldn't have said that. No, just he's not too sensitive
about it. So listen to this tag team
(34:31):
match. Now this, this match would have
been a barn burner years before,but in 2011, the Rock'n'roll
Express, Ricky Morton and RobertGibson defeated the Midnight
Express, Beautiful Bobby and Loverboy Dennis in 33 seconds.
(34:51):
I don't even know how that how you even pull that off exactly.
They must. Just that show must have been
running late. They told him to get in and out
and that group, you didn't have to tell that.
You know, a lot of these kids, you tell them we want 6 minutes
and they're going to go 25 so they can get all that stuff in.
You tell some of us, all folk. Yeah, we get you.
(35:12):
When you tell us 6, we'll get you 5.
We can get it right. Five.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm going to save some of my stuff for next time.
That's what the kids don't understand no more.
They want to go out and do it all, you know?
Yeah. Get off some of these shows, you
know, go to the movies. It's two hours, hour and 45
minutes. Go to some of these independence
(35:36):
shows. It's like a you have a midnight
match there. You know, they ain't planning on
it. But yeah, I mean it just yeah,
you don't have to tell us twice.Gene, you'd like rather see a
good hour and a half movie then you had a bad two hour and a
half movie, ain't you? Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah, That match, that show I
(35:57):
was at Saturday night was long, to say the least.
Well, I was going to say what well I was going to ask you
about that was was say it was what it was 1030 or 11 maybe.
Yeah, got out, got out there a little after 10 for the number
of matches there were. It could, it could have.
It could have been over at 9930,It would have been.
(36:18):
It probably really was over at 9or something, but it's to show
the matches just kept going. Yeah, 2 intermissions and.
Where was you at? Tupelo.
Tupelo Yeah. You booked him there, didn't you
Tommy? I was there with you.
I was there with you, boy, Downtown Bruno.
That's how that's how he come about being on the show too.
(36:41):
And and your buddy Dustin Star was there and.
You probably got brewed. That's why you asking us, can he
be on there next week? Because you probably, you
probably paid him. You probably got him to pay you
to get on the show. OK, they'll say get it right
now. He might have paid me, but you
know you. I think you've known me enough
long enough now that I'm not paying anybody, Tommy.
(37:04):
Although I meant that's what I meant is you probably, you
probably got him to pay you. Yeah, that's what I meant.
I suppose. I hope that's what you meant.
Well, he read. He read about half Eddie Gilbert
books sitting over at his table.He wouldn't buy 1 and I wouldn't
give him 1, so he read about half of it during the show.
But he got a thumbs up from Bruno, so there you go.
(37:24):
Yeah, that's what what he told me half the truth and he said he
read all of it. I, I thought, well, you and Gene
must have a lot of freaking timeon those hands there.
Well, like I said, it was a longshow, but he managed to not have
to stay all the way to the end. But yeah, he may have read all
of it then, but yeah, he was he was happy with it.
So so then we had a seven way match.
(37:46):
Rhino defeated Too Cold, Scorpio, Al Snow Balls, Mahoney,
Raven, Sabu and Shane Douglas. Seven guys, they went 3 minutes
and 46 seconds. I made them in that too.
And you say this was a pay-per-view?
Yeah, this was an Internet pay-per-view.
Now here's what's fun. Now.
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Rock'n'roll Express went 33 seconds.
The seven ECW guys went 3 minutes and 46 seconds.
Bob Backlund defeated Ken Patera.
They went 6 minutes and 12 seconds, which I bet felt like
an hour. You know what it seems like?
I remember that. I guess I, me and Tommy was on
(38:29):
this, right? Yeah, you are.
Or you are you. Know what it it seems like I
remember them sitting in that Remember Me tell you about
looking around that dressing room and said different guys and
I picture all these guys that you're saying saying under like
a circus tent at at 1/2, 3:00 inthe morning at 4:00 in the
(38:50):
morning. I mean, what a collection of
people, but I mean, and grumpy, grumpy ass Ken Patera out at the
middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, he goes up there
and puts in 6 minutes when the Midnight Express and the
Rock'n'roll Express, they're doing 30 seconds.
It's wild. And and you know what?
I guarantee you they went that long because back to the morning
(39:10):
too. Oh yeah, I'm sure it wasn't
Patera's plan. So Next up we got a five way
Memphis match. Austin Idol defeats Brick House
Brown, Doug Gilbert, Dutch Mantel and Coco Beware in 2
minutes and 42 seconds. Well, that's about 20, about 20
(39:30):
seconds of peace, ain't it? Yeah, right about.
And also y'all couldn't talk Austin Idol into being the one
to go down, huh? He had.
Oh no, they probably had to makea deal with him before he'd come
if he wouldn't make them beat. Him.
I don't come unless I win, darling.
Right. All right, then, the next.
(39:53):
All right, now, now Tommy. Tommy.
Apparently these guys went out there trying to beat The
Rock'n'roll Express's time, but they missed it by three seconds.
Tracy Smothers defeated Tommy Rich in 36 seconds.
Oh yeah, I did. If I'm going to win, it might
take me a little bit to win, butif I'm going to lose, it don't
(40:13):
take me long at all. Yeah, yeah, I trip coming
through that road. Beat me, you know what I'm
saying? Absolutely.
I guarantee you that was anotherone.
Deals where Tracy had probably already been out there for 10
minutes talking and you just went.
In there like. All right, let's get this done.
I can't tell you Tommy was saying let's get out of here
because they throwing shit at them.
(40:35):
Yeah, that was one in flashlightdeal.
Yeah, so then here's our here's the match we was talking about
earlier. Tag team match.
Guest referee Vampiro, Kevin Nash and X PAC with Scott Hall
defeated the New Age Outlaws, Billy Gunn and Road Dogs. 6
minutes and 27 seconds, which I remember that being a big draw.
(40:57):
Like you said at the time they put, they really pushed the fact
that this is the first NWO versus DX match.
That's before they did the thingat WrestleMania with Triple
Agent staying and all that. But that wasn't the main event.
The main event. What it was supposed to be?
You said it was Nash and an X part right?
Right, with Hall in their corner.
(41:18):
Yeah, it was supposed to been Nash and Hall with Xbox in the
corner and bless his heart, Scott wasn't doing the the best
that night. And and The funny thing was the
key of Xbox. He didn't want to work, but he
wind up having to work with a funny thing about and I love
(41:42):
Billy and Brian, but Billy didn't even like people to touch
him sometimes. So you had X pocket, didn't want
to be in the ring and Billy didn't even want people.
I mean, I only think he would lock when you locked up with me.
He didn't want you to touch him.And it was a funny, it was a
funny type deal. If you've seen what I did back
(42:04):
there and I laughed, I thought, I thought this shit here going
to be funny. Then what's his name then?
They wasn't real excited about that.
Vampiro, Brian and Billy, wasn'tthey?
So he kind of wanted to be the star of the show, but he wasn't.
But so they've done some kind offinish where he wound up putting
off shirt. He had a NWO shirt under it or
(42:26):
something, some kind of, you know, one of them type deals.
But I but the funniest thing I remember and all that, which I
remember all of the real good, but just The funny thing was us
leaving and getting stopped and Billy smiling at that cop like
he because Billy, he was going to let us go.
He didn't know who Billy was andhe didn't know who Brian was.
(42:48):
He didn't know who I was, but heknow who Tommy was and and Tommy
talking to him. He let us right on by and we
were right on down the road. N.W.A champ save the day.
There you go. Tommy made sure he told Billy
that after we pulled After. That's why I bet.
(43:15):
I tell you something that I never realized on television
until I seen him in person at the show.
How big of a guy Billy Gunn is? Billy guns a lot bigger dude
than I. Realized he's 66 legitimate but
you got to realize freaking Brians like 6-4.
I mean, Brians a big, you know, but Billy big and Jim big and
(43:36):
everything. But I laughed.
I remember Thomas saying y'all big WWF stars, he didn't know
y'all did it. I laughed.
He was funny, but we all laughed.
So then the main event, Bob Orton and Rowdy Roddy Piper
defeated Mick Foley and Terry Funk in 4 minutes and 14
(43:58):
seconds. Damn, that's a minute and 4
seconds of pace for each of them.
One. Yeah, so.
So there you go. The guys from the the main event
of the original WrestleMania against the guys from the
deathmatch tournaments over in Japan meeting at a Juggalo show
so. Well, like I said, they had a,
(44:19):
they had a great, it wasn't justone type of individual that they
had. You can look at that, that group
there and they had a little bit of everything didn't.
It yeah, they covered all their bases there.
I mean, you go up down that car and you've got, you know, old
school guys and Memphis guys andECW guys, WCWWF, like, yeah, I
mean, there's there's something for everybody.
(44:42):
And then they had like. Allen on them shows, I mean, all
the ones we were on, I mean, it was big names all the way
through. And I mean, they didn't spare no
expense. I mean, you know, they had the
best of the best there. The the price tag on that battle
royal alone, I'd hate to know what they paid all those guys.
(45:05):
Really. It's crazy.
So I figured that had to be quite the experience.
I like I say, I've been aiming to ask you guys about that for a
while, so. Oh, it was cool, Jean.
It was like some of the wildest,like I said, you know, it depend
on how far like me and Tommy didn't get real real far away
(45:25):
from where we were supposed to be.
Were like a lot of the like mostof them guys, you sit on there,
they didn't want to be far away.They stay right in the dressing
room. But then you had some some some
of the guys want to go out and get right in the middle of it
and they'd walk out there in themiddle of the people.
And it was like I said what me and Tommy, we veered off just a
little bit, but it was it was strange what we saw now them
(45:47):
guys that went on that for them we did no telling what they saw.
Oh yeah, I mean it was it? I don't, I don't know about, I
mean, it's different. I don't know about strange.
Well, it's strange, different, you know, But hey, it's, I mean
it would, you know, if you ain'tnever seen it, it's something
y'all see. Yeah, it's, it's amazing how
(46:10):
many people they draw out there to that, you know, and then for
a while they were doing it everyyear.
I don't know if they're still doing it now or not, but I know
for quite a few years it was a an annual thing every August.
Yeah, it was like I said, it wascool.
There was always real respect. What you hear people say
different things about them, butthey never.
Me and Tommy didn't ever have nothing but good dealings with
(46:33):
them and they was always real, respectful, nice to us.
Well, that's good to hear, man. That's that's, that's really
good to hear. So any other, you know, you kind
of describe that as a as a strange booking and kind of a
strange man. Any other, you know, shows over
the years that kind of stand outis not your typical wrestling
(46:54):
show that you guys have ended upon, be it together or separate?
You got it. I can't think of nothing as wild
and as strange as going out the same clown posse stag taking a
ferry over the ferry over the river and and then getting out
in the middle of nowhere and youpop up over a hill 20,000
(47:15):
peoples out there. I mean, yeah, yeah.
I don't think it gets no crazieror stranger or Wilder than than
what that was. I mean, I wrestled some in
Puerto Rico and you know, that'sit.
I mean, you talk about a wild crab, but they that's a
different style crab. They would just mean and that's
where these folks when once throwing the stuff, but most of
(47:36):
most of them there were just laid back having a good time.
You know it was you know if you ain't never been to 1.
I enjoyed that part of it too. Like Doug, you said we didn't
straight far from the tent, but you can hear like like Doug was
talking about they had two different like they had to razz
them. Was it like a stage And then
(47:58):
they had over like to your layoff was a stage where they
had a concert and then directly across to the right they had
another stage. They'd have like, you know, as
soon as one will finish, anotherstage would open in the
wrestling. And then, like I said, they had
the little carnival rides. I mean, you know, it was just a
little bit of everything and food.
(48:20):
I mean, they had it all. Yeah, yeah, it was it was
definitely a a different experience and like I said, but
it was like I said to me, it wascool just walking in the
dressing room tent deal. Like I told you that big, big
like a circumstance set up and, and, and just you picture that
(48:41):
the talent that you said that was on that show sitting in in
that thing. Yeah.
And everything. I mean, it was just it was wild.
It was wild experience. I mean, just getting all those
guys out to that remote location, you know, like
getting, you know, Bob Armstrongand Bob Backlund and Terry Funk
(49:02):
and all these guys out there in the middle of nowhere.
And I don't know, just trying topitch him on like, all right,
man, we want to book you on thisshow.
It's a wrestling show and it's going to be in the middle of the
night. It's going to be flashlights.
I can't imagine even selling that to them.
You know what they said, Gene, as far as you're talking about
selling to them, you know how they sold it to them?
This was the exact why they saidhow much do you want?
(49:27):
And, and all of them could name their price.
And I don't think anybody reallyrealized how much money they
they made and had for this. And whatever anybody said is
what they got paid. Yeah, that's.
In the plane fare, because a lotof guys, we come here from
(49:50):
Tennessee, but but most of the guys, I mean a lot of flew in,
you know, oh. Yeah.
I got a room. I mean, so then overhead on
that. I mean, it was that, you know,
just a bunch. Yeah, I would love to see like
the PNL on one of those things because like I said, just just
all the wrestlers. And then you would see like big
(50:11):
name like comedians and musicians.
And you know that I know just have a huge price tag involved.
Plus all the setup to have all those different stages and
lights and all the stuff that you got to have out there to
accommodate all those people. And so it's it's a big
undertaking. It's impressive, those guys, you
(50:32):
know, we're able to do that and do it year in and year out like
that. Well, you know what, I guess
Gene now be a little bit easier on them because me and Tommy was
just up in Illinois and so I don't guess I could say too much
to him right now. Could the time.
Yeah, we wouldn't. Have to worry about that
roadblock outside either. It's true, that's true.
(50:55):
So. Kind of on that along the same
lines, I guess sort of and this ain't really a strange bookings,
but like, you know, earlier thisyear, you guys did the you know,
you did the show with the Memphis State football game.
And I know over the years their shows like, as you know, in the
infield at race tracks during race days and there was there.
(51:17):
There used to be a couple that was cool and you said that and
brought back a memory to me thatthey would do.
And right outside of Louisville,there was a race track there and
they set a ring on a trailer like a pool behind like a, a
truck would be pulling a like a A20, say 6 foot trailer.
(51:38):
And they would have a ring sitting on that trailer and they
would pull the ring as we was wrestling around the racetrack.
If if you can picture that. And I don't know if Tommy was on
any of those shows. But now you talking about
different because you know, on one side, like the sharp finish
line, you got Blazers there, then you don't have no bleachers
in the curb. You don't have no bleachers in
another curb, but on the other side you got bleachers there.
(52:01):
So we wrestle in front of the the, you know, the guy would
start, we start, we'd be wrestling.
All of a sudden we get to where there was no people.
We stopped for a minute. Then you get to where the people
as you start back, then you wrestle when he's in front of
them. He'd be going like 20 miles an
hour, so I could watch you for alittle bit, but then you get
away from him. Then we stopped for a little
(52:21):
bit. Then when you get ready to get
pulled back up on the mother, you start back wrestling.
But that was, that was one of the rather stranger deals that
and that was a Lawler deal that he had set up.
But it's a real good paid deal. And they do it a few times a
year when they was racing duringthe summer.
And that was a cool, but kind ofdifferent, you know, I hadn't
nowhere else. I'd kind of, yeah, but I don't
(52:42):
think I was on that one, no. I don't think, I don't think I
made that one, but but now that was cool.
And then? Lawler also had a deal in
Evansville at the horse track And once I it wasn't so much
different, but it was just as far as the place it was at.
It was at a horse track in the building there at the horse
(53:04):
track, like there was seats out behind it, but if you look at
the windows, there was like windows on one side of the ring,
no paper, but like where people could see the horses racing and
but they said a ring right there.
So if we looked at you know, youcould say the horse track, but
then you will you work towards the fans that was on your
backside. So that was kind of another
different, but that was a a goodpaid deal to that Lawler had
(53:26):
with the guy and that was kind of a Noah unorthodox deal.
Yeah, because you're, I mean, you're at.
A venue where it's not necessarily wrestling fans, they
didn't always come there expecting to even see that.
So I guess you got to kind of change your, you know, you're
not playing off TV angles or. Anything you're just having.
(53:48):
A match, basically. Well, yeah, but the the cool
thing our TV did. Still go into Evansville at this
at this time and everything. So they still kind of knew all
us, but it was something had happened with the Evansville
Coliseum at at this time I'm talking about.
So we what happened was a business guy that had plenty of
(54:08):
money had contacted Lawler and he made a deal with him And but
that was a another story that but it was a cool, like I said
that I think that lasted like four or five months and that was
a kind of a cool deal. Actually, I think it wasn't.
I think it was in Henderson right across the the bridge from
Evansville, actually. Gotcha.
(54:32):
I know over the years different promotions have done shows in
prisons of either one of y'all ever been on any of those prison
shows? I have.
Not have you, Tommy? No, I.
Don't think I have either. I was watching 1.
Recent like here, recently is 1 like.
Terry Golden's kW did a show it at a prison there, somewhere
(54:55):
outside of Memphis. And then I know there's that
one. Gosh, there's there's some
Memphis show. That there's clips.
Of from a prison as well so justwondering that seems like that
would be interesting feedback yeah that's that's kind of I
mean I. Believe they've had them and
everything, but that kind of be a hard sell, wasn't it, When
(55:17):
you're trying to not promote violence?
And yeah, it looks like they wouldn't even want that.
There to give like. It rile them up and get them,
you know, get it, get it potentially be a problem, you
know, and you and you certainly wouldn't want to be the babyface
in that situation. You know, you wouldn't want to
be, you know, Jared and 86 or something out there.
(55:38):
Hey, that might need to be what we need to do is send Tommy.
To all the prisons to see if we can get some restless shows at
the prisons. The Memphis Mafia prison.
Tour 20. 25 There you go. There you go, Tommy.
We'll see if we can get you on that theme.
Song could be jailhouse rock. That's funny.
(56:01):
I was trying to thank Gene any any other like, like you said, I
mean, to me and Tommy, it's not that it's not normal, but like
the I love like the where we wrestle with the Memphis Tigers
saying, you know, we we've done stuff like that kind of all
around the country. But I think me and Tommy kind of
think that's normal, even thoughto the most people it wouldn't
be normal. Like for the different, like,
(56:22):
you know, doing stuff at the I'dsay like the Grizzlies games are
going. Here's a different thing too,
for the the NCAA for the Music City Bowl.
I used to go there every year for Jeff Jarrett had a deal set
up through Pro Wrestling Entertainment.
It's that still goes on today atthe Opryland Hotel.
(56:46):
They got 2 banquet rooms and they put one team in one banquet
room instead of ring up in thereand put the other football team
in another banquet room because I don't want them together, you
know, from get into it or anything.
And they have like 2 wrestling shows and that that's kind of a
cool deal. And he always definitely took
care of me good on it and got mea room at the Opryland Hotel for
(57:07):
a night, which I take my wife upthere and she'd like that.
And we'd stay and we did rest ofSheldon go out and eat and
everything. And then he'd always give me
tickets to the game the next daybecause the game was the
following day. So I went up up there, I got to
see the balls, which, you know, balls are my favorite, which I
like a lot of football teams, but but the balls actually
played in one of them when I wasup there.
And that was cool. But he'd always give me a couple
(57:29):
tickets for me and Melissa and he'd really take care of me on
Monday and everything I was thatI thought that was, you know, a
different aspect that people would know because the only
people that got to come to it was actually the football, the 2
football teams and like their coaches and their staff and
stuff. So that was kind of neat.
Different. Yeah.
So it's like a, it's a private show just for the.
Teens, you're not letting general public in.
(57:50):
Yeah, exactly. Remember wrestling?
On the barge one time, I don't remember where it was at, but
it's on the water. Most definitely on the water,
but it made event one of the guys took a bump off off down to
the water with his boots and allon.
Oh man, he done lost his mind yeah, that was kind of it was
(58:10):
there. I mean you know it's I mean it's
big enough people's on it. I mean it was pretty cool.
I mean it's nice. It's hot and and Tommy.
'S talking about bars, Gene, I told you about the bar that I
don't mean bar, but I guess yourcomedy club, Me and Tommy
wrestling in there. Where you come to the comedy
(58:31):
club in Jackson. Yeah, yeah, Jackson there.
Yeah, me and Tommy. Wrestled in there a couple times
which are. Our buddy owns it, Frankie
Lacks, and she's friend of mine,Tommy's and everything.
He owns both of them. I think him and his friends
still on both of those. There's one and then one right
across the road from it, but we dress in one and wrestle in the
other. But that was one that made it.
Marlin deals. He, Eddie Marlin set that up
(58:53):
back years ago, and me and Tommywrestled there for the office
and everything, and that was kind of cool there.
Yeah, I could see that being a cool setup.
For wrestling in there, the way that place is laid out, yeah, it
was. It was neat.
Well, guys, we've we've. We've got there another one.
It's already been an hour. So we're going to go ahead and
(59:14):
and wrap things up for this weekand then we may be back with a
guest next week. If not, we we may be answering
some questions. We'll see how how things go.
Well, that's what Tommy said, that he wants some.
Questions. He likes answering them
questions and everything. I guarantee you when we get off
this, when we get off here tonight, Tommy, I think it's
more Dame buildings that, he rasped in that, that, that they
(59:37):
odd or something. Well, that's how we can.
Start the show next week with any.
Odd ones that that you guys think of throughout the week
between now and then. So I got you.
Good deal. Listen, man, Tommy.
What you got a lot of stuff to do you, Gene said.
You're going to be in Detroit and and we'll write and work.
How did you draw it? Saturday and then July, the 4th
(01:00:00):
wheel ride, I mean it's going tobe a big show.
Looking forward to that. Hey, I'll just keep sending them
questions in. Anything you need to know and if
y'all got some boogies, whether it's a birthday party, a party,
whatever. Doug and me is available.
You sure are. Listen, everybody knows to
contact. Gene, Gene, everybody's got to,
they can get a hold of you and to get to us and everything.
(01:00:23):
Listen. Thanks everybody for listening.
And if you got any questions, you need to know anything.
All you got to do is ask Gene and he'll get with us to listen.
Everybody, peace, be cool in theheart of Tennessee.
Bone fry dug in. Tommy taking rings in stride.
(01:00:43):
Memphis legends never backing down.
Wrestling warriors. They wear the crown, you scurry
away, glory in their face. Final legends break in chains in
the square circle. They made their name podcast
(01:01:07):
champions. It's their claim to fame on the
mine. They roared on the map.
They saw dangerous conversationswhen it's when they move.
Our guys can't run in the way ifit's wrestling.
(01:01:28):
Race in the sea. From tidal belts to Hall of
Fame, Doug and Tommy carved the name fits of fury and hearts of
gold. Every story, every fight retold
(01:01:49):
tales of glory, laughter, cry. 10 sea warriors with hearts open
wide in the rain on the air. Legends living without a there
on the mine they roared. On the map they saw dangerous
(01:02:12):
conversations. Fans won't move.
Our gas King's moving away with this less little race in the
stage.
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