February 20, 2024 • 48 mins
Grab your backstage pass and join us for a heartwarming jaunt down the theater lanes of DFW with the wonderfully versatile Sinclair Freeman. Our laughter echoes through tales of frosty outdoor 'Elf' performances and inside jokes that are the stuff of legends. Sinclair isn't just a friend; he's a captivating storyteller whose tales from 'The 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee' to his understudy work at DTC will have your imagination running wild. And yes, we even conjure up a whimsical rivalry with the one and only Michael B. Jordan because, why not? But it's not all chuckles and serenades; we dive deep into the soul of theater, discussing the impact of personal transitions on self-discovery and the stage. The importance of diversity and inclusion in casting shines through as we tackle the broader quest for representation. Hang onto your teacups; this episode promises not only insight into the enchanting world of performing arts but also a resonant conversation about the human experience that connects us all.
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Daniel (00:06):
Hi guys and welcome back to Daniel Does DFW Theater.
Hooty Hoot! Hang on Tea Cups.
Hey, welcome back.
I'm so excited for episode two.
I hope you enjoyed episode one,mom.
Thank you for watching it athousand times.
The views have really gone upwatching it overnight.
Whatever you're doing, Iappreciate it, but to everyone
(00:27):
else watch it.
It's there.
Dani was amazing, so just goback.
But do you know who I havetoday?
That's kind of even moreamazing.
Sorry, dani, today I haveSinclair Freeman.
Welcome to the show, Sinclair.
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks for being here.
I was nervous asking youbecause we have never really
(00:49):
like we've met and I use thatterm lightly, because sometimes
I think our friends are justreally rude and expect everyone
to know everybody and I was likeI get that DFW is small, but
like I still don't know thatperson.
Sinclair (01:03):
But I was nervous Like I slid into your DMs.
Sinclair is difficult to get ahold of.
Oh sorry.
Daniel (01:08):
God so sorry.
When I tell you, I messagedthis man probably about 50 times
.
I thought I was being a stalkerfor a minute Because I was like
are you there?
Can we record?
Can we do this?
So I'm glad that I reached outto some friends and was like I
just need his number Becausewe're going to do this no matter
(01:30):
what.
But yeah, we've met a coupletimes my favorite moment and
when I knew.
I was like I love this personwas and it may mean nothing to
you at all was when we went togo see Barbie.
Sinclair (01:44):
Yes.
Daniel (01:45):
Okay, good, absolutely.
We went to go see Barbie forDani's birthday.
Yes, wow, call back to me.
Thanks, danny.
And that movie really isn'teven like an emotional or
anything, but there were momentswhere you and I were laughing
together.
Sinclair (02:00):
Yes, and I was like this is my this is like we're in
this, together, we're giggling.
And then at the end.
Daniel (02:06):
I'm over here like this, crying and I look over and
you're like okay, thank God.
I'm not the only one, and therewas a moment I was like yes, I
was like I don't know you, so.
I was like just glad that.
I'm with you there, okay, good,yes, I felt that I knew that in
(02:28):
that moment I was like I can befriends with this person, yes,
and I love this person.
Yes Again.
Barbie is not a emotional film,but it still got me.
In the end it did.
There was just something aboutlike, yes, women power for
everyone that I was all about,but no, you have done a lot of
things though here in the area.
(02:48):
Specifically, I would saystraight plays.
Yeah, Right, yeah.
I've only seen you in two shows.
The first time I actually sawyou on stage was you're like?
Sinclair (02:59):
oh yeah, I was like I don't know this, you were doing
that burglask.
Daniel (03:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course you had that feather boa
Back in the day.
Yeah, so you were in elf.
Sinclair (03:12):
Oh yeah, you had fire house.
Daniel (03:14):
Yeah, where you all, it was COVID time.
It was COVID time, and so youhad to do the outdoor cold
freeze your like ass off.
It was so cold, I remember likeI was like those elves have got
to be shivering, yes, causethey're all the time, tiny, just
, you only had a suit on.
Sinclair (03:31):
I did.
Yeah, I got to be Walter, so Igot the business.
Daniel (03:34):
Cause you were playing the father.
Sinclair (03:36):
Yes, and Walter Hobbs.
It's not the character names.
Daniel (03:39):
I remember you opened your mouth for the first, and so
my mom has a thing for it, andso I've developed it for raspy
voices, oh, yeah.
Like my mom, likes older raspyvoice people Like, even like a
Carol King sometimes has alittle.
Sinclair (03:52):
Yeah, she's to it.
Daniel (03:53):
Right, yeah, that like just fits perfect.
And you open your mouth and Iwas with a Stephen D Morris, the
producer of theater Arlington,and I went and cause I think
auditions were coming up forlike sister act or something,
and so he was like I mean I amlooking for a Curtis you know,
at some point, and so I justwe're coming up and I was like I
(04:15):
think you may have which Idon't think you were able to do
it after all, but I was like Ilove this person's voice so much
, and then the only other thing,I saw you.
well, I didn't even see you init, did I?
I did come see spelling.
I was like yeah, I did seespelling bee, which you were
phenomenal.
I was a little upset.
That was my dream role.
I can't wait to watch you do it.
(04:40):
Whenever it happens next, it'sall you, yeah, Cause I can play.
You could barely play.
I was like, okay, here we go.
There was a moment I was likeyou are acting I don't know
about prison.
You really have to be.
It's like a rough character,which that's probably why I
wasn't cast.
Yeah, that's the tattoos of theflowers.
Sinclair (05:05):
They were like thug.
Daniel (05:07):
That's all it is.
He's got it yeah.
But yeah, no, I, I saw you inthat loved the I love you song
is just, oh, I had so muchbunting in that beautiful song
(05:27):
and you got to do it with Brettand on and then, oh so
powerhouses, yes, Literally likeall of y'all were fighting for
your life.
Sinclair (05:35):
I felt lucky that I got to sing with them.
It was so fun yeah.
Daniel (05:39):
I loved that.
Speaking of recent projects, Iknow you recently were just
booked at DTC.
Sinclair (05:45):
Yeah Was that your first DTC?
Yes, it was Thank you?
Daniel (05:49):
What role did you play?
Were you a swing?
Yes, yes so.
Sinclair (05:53):
I was one of the male understudies so I understood
understudied for Bob Cratchitand then Mr Fezziwig, so that
was a lot of fun.
I got to hang out with Yvonneand Randy Perelman and they were
both like lovely to like workwith and understudy so it was
really fun.
Daniel (06:07):
I really feel like you could do a whole case study on
Randy Perelman Absolutely, andeverything that he has to offer.
Sinclair (06:13):
He was the one yeah.
Daniel (06:14):
No for sure.
So very lucky with that.
I must say I'm jealous of youbecause I had a crush when I was
a kid on set label.
You did, I did, I'm not kiddingyou.
I remember watching Wishbone ohmy God and in the Odyssey
(06:39):
episode.
Sinclair (06:39):
I was a Wishbone girl.
Let's go.
Daniel (06:42):
In the Odyssey episode she played the wife, right?
Yes, and so when he like comesback and like, they have the
shooting arrow contest and stuff, like in Wishbone, has a little
pause.
Yes, oh my.
Sinclair (06:54):
God, I was like I don't know, it's okay.
Daniel (07:02):
But like I thought she was the, it still is, yes, the
most beautiful person.
Sinclair (07:06):
Yes, in Wishbone Absolutely.
Daniel (07:09):
And so I'm like so much so I like became a little creepy
.
I saw her at a lyric show and Iwas like I hate you, sally, I
promise I'm not stalking you,I'm not coming for you.
She is so incredible.
I love you.
Credible yeah.
Sinclair (07:22):
It was like it felt like a masterclass to get to
watch her in rehearsal.
Daniel (07:25):
Honestly, Well, they froze the cast, right.
So last year she played Marley.
Did she play Marley again?
Yes, oh, she was, so I didn'tget to see it this year,
unfortunately, but I did see itlast year.
Okay, yes, just so.
I mean the whole cast, honestly.
Sinclair (07:39):
Yes, it's pretty so yeah, so great.
Daniel (07:43):
And then are you.
Do you have anything coming up,do you?
What do you have in the works?
Sinclair (07:48):
I mean, for the first time in my life, I'm like
actually pursuing projects.
I would say before I would justbe like I know I specifically
fit this or I know someone, andit's like just text me if you
want me to go.
That's makes me sound like I'mokay.
Timothy Shalaman no, oh my God.
No, no, no, no, no.
I want audition, just text you.
Daniel (08:08):
No, oh my.
Sinclair (08:08):
God, okay so no, I didn't mean it like that.
I mean I was mostly busy.
I was a caretaker for my mom,so my schedule was pretty,
pretty packed.
But now I have a lot more timeon my hands and I'm my upcoming
projects are auditions.
Daniel (08:22):
Basically Nice, nice, nice, nice, yeah, no, in the
streets, I mean.
Whatever it is, there's tons ofthings coming up to me that I
can already see you fit for that, I think, would be lovely.
Tell me about maybe one of yourfavorite projects that you've
done.
Ooh, one of my favorite, one ofyour favorite shows.
Sinclair (08:43):
Yeah, um, this was maybe one of my, after returning
back to theater, after takinglike a five-year break, I Did a
play which was a co-productionbetween a flexible great theater
and uptown players, calledcooties, and it was for like
Pride month, so they had afestival and so there was like a
one-man show and then our showthat we, that we alternated with
(09:06):
and, yeah, that was my firsttime being in a show with a
completely queer cast queerdirector.
It was just the best and theshow was like just About college
students living their lives andand queerness was a part of the
story but not the main part,and it felt Really special to be
(09:27):
able to tell that story fromsuch a place of authenticity.
And I got to be in the showwith my wife, so that was cool.
We were at Mary's, but whichcongratulations you.
Daniel (09:36):
what has it been a couple months?
Sinclair (09:37):
Yeah, I got married in October.
Daniel (09:40):
I was married now.
How long have y'all beentogether?
About six years, y'all werebabies.
Yes, yeah, no sick Bob itcongrats.
Yeah, thank you, husband,material all the way, thank you
Are.
You do all the cooking.
Sinclair (09:59):
No, oh my god, I can't cook to save my life.
But I'm very handy.
I'm handy, I can clean the car.
I'll do the oil turn you, ohyou, you do oil changes.
I mean I could, I don't, but Ioh I'm do.
I mean I can take the car foryou.
That's what I mean by.
Daniel (10:20):
It's like I'll bring you the pants.
Like, that's what I was likewith my dad, like bring me the
wrench and I bring him a hammerand he's like you, stupid, oh
yeah because I didn't knowanything, right, yeah but okay,
(10:40):
never mind.
So if you can't do it, I knowhow to drive into a dealer, I
can handle that much.
So you got started here.
Sinclair (10:48):
I was still like TCC right, you did rap time you just
on a whim, was it just yeah.
So I went to SMU for a coupleof years.
I didn't graduate.
I started off singing operathere.
That makes so much so.
Daniel (11:02):
I can hear it in your voice you were classically
trained.
Yeah, yes, it's there.
Sinclair (11:06):
Yeah, it was like a huge choir nerd in high school
did all stated all that stuff.
And so After after I stoppedsinging opera, I was like I
don't think I want to perform,until I just randomly was like
what they're doing?
Rag time Need more black people.
Daniel (11:21):
Well, and I'm sure you were like I'll just done rag
time.
You did opera.
Yeah, I can do Exactly.
Sinclair (11:30):
I was like okay, I can do this, and so I just went and
auditioned and I ended upbooking Sarah's friend.
Daniel (11:37):
Because you're Timothy, shallow, because I'm Timothy,
timothy, timothy, timothy,timothy, that's who you I'm
gonna start calling you.
Oh, wonderful now.
So you just did how.
How long ago was that?
Sinclair (11:57):
that was in like 2013, so that was a long.
Daniel (12:01):
Over 10 years, yeah, wow .
And then from there you justkind of like skyrocket.
I feel like You've had like acome up right, like it feels
like it like you, you've startedthe momentum and you really
have just like put your workinto it.
I would say yeah to be whereyou are.
I mean, booking DTC issomething that.
Sinclair (12:21):
Yeah, people want to do.
Daniel (12:23):
Yeah, and so I think that that's a special and
amazing and awesome.
Speaking of special, amazingand awesome, I'm Daniel
Hernandez.
No, I want us to go ahead anddo your first song.
Okay, I think that I'm ready tohear you sing a little bit, and
(12:44):
and it's a song that I'm reallynot even familiar with.
So let's get over there, let'shave you sing something that you
sound good in all right, do youthink that?
Do y'all want to hear him sing?
We'll see.
Okay, well, let's go.
So I just picked this song.
Sinclair (13:01):
My now wife introduced this song to me many years ago.
Daniel (13:04):
You know I had never heard of it until today, which I
don't know what I'm playing, sowe'll see what happens.
Yeah, is it like meaningful atall?
Does it mean, or you just thinkit's really pretty?
Sinclair (13:17):
I think it's beautiful .
I'm a romantic.
I love to see about love.
Daniel (13:21):
Oh well, let's sing about love.
Sinclair (13:30):
It's been hot, also very sweet, though I'm you not
usually In discreet.
But when he sparkles, the earthbegins.
What more can I say?
(13:52):
How can I express how confusedam I by our happiness?
I can't eat breakfast, I cannottie my shoe.
What more can I do?
If I say I love him, you mightthink my words come cheap.
(14:24):
Let's just say I'm glad he's myawake.
The sleep it's been hot Also.
It's been swell, more than not.
It's been more than words cantell.
I Halt, I stammer, I sing thewrong.
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What more can I say?
I'll stay On time my tongue andtry and stay both Kind and
(15:15):
young.
I was taught never bragg orshout, but still it's hot, just
like how you read about, andalso caring and never to uncouth
.
That's the simple truth.
(15:38):
Can you tell?
(15:58):
I have been revised.
It's so swell, damn it.
Even I'm surprised.
I we laugh, we fall, we take itday by day, day by day.
(16:22):
What more can I say?
Daniel (16:32):
I'm gonna say, wow, that was such a fevers, Thank you,
yeah, no, again I felt thefevers again.
Yeah, I was like guys that walkover here, just everything
Steaman, steaman.
Speaking of steaming, let'stalk about your arch nemesis,
(17:06):
that steaming pile of poop.
I was like God If you had tellit to me real.
Okay, If you had an imaginaryarch nemesis, right, one person
who is constantly beating you tothe punch, constantly stealing
your roles I mean your rolesConstantly.
You know, just one up and youwent in that audition room,
(17:28):
right, that steaming pile ofpoop, whoever it is.
I was like, can I say that onthe podcast?
I can say it.
Who is your main competitor?
Imaginary arch nemesis in theDFW area?
Sinclair (17:42):
Oh man in the DFW area .
Oh, no, no, no.
Do you know what?
Open it up.
Yeah, michael B Jordan is myarch nemesis.
He is taking my roles.
I should have been agreed, eventhough I've never attempted to
act in film.
It should have been me.
Daniel (17:58):
Do you know what?
That's what I think.
I would have liked that.
I would have liked that.
Sinclair (18:02):
I don't know about the DFW area.
As far as my arch nemesis goes,I, I.
I don't know, I'm not verycompetitive.
Daniel (18:11):
Is it Tara?
Sinclair (18:12):
Park.
Yes, tara, stop booking myroles.
Daniel (18:16):
Can you imagine her as a comfort counselor?
Sinclair (18:19):
She probably could do it.
She could probably do it sheshe would do it too.
Daniel (18:24):
You could do it.
That's the thing.
Sinclair (18:26):
It would sound amazing , that's the tea, though it
would sound good.
Daniel (18:31):
There's like a standing ovation every night.
Sinclair (18:33):
Wonderful, bring her back.
I think you wanted to do itagain.
Listen, okay, let's, let's tryit, let's shake it up.
Daniel (18:42):
So, speaking of your voice, there's something that I
do want to talk about.
Yeah, so I want to talk aboutyou navigating your voice right
Through your transition at thesame time.
Yeah, because I feel like thatthat's something that I've
worked with someone right whoalso transitioned, and just that
navigation of the voice andfinding it, because when you're
(19:03):
on hormones and everything likeyou don't know where it's going
to sit or where it's going to go.
Yeah, and so I like how did youfind because you've settled so
well in your voice and it reallyfits you Like how, how did you
really work on that?
What did you?
Sinclair (19:19):
what it was just time, honestly, for me, as soon as I
started taking hormones, thechange happened really quickly.
I would say within the firstthree months, like throughout my
transition, I basically stayedemployed through like a church
job by saying I'm at thedischarge, I was a section
leader, and so I was a sopranotoo, and so I, yeah, next week,
(19:44):
like it was maybe a month later,and I had to go to the director
, I was like I need to move downand it was fine, and so I was
very fortunate.
It was like a very open andaffirming church.
Daniel (19:56):
Methodists are typically I have done many gigs at a
Methodist church.
They're like bring on thequeers.
Sinclair (20:02):
Yes.
So they were like they were thegood ones and I just was able
to slide on down and so,basically, just like not pushing
it too hard, just taking itvery easy Like church music.
We're not doing anything toohard.
It's him's, it's it'soffertories, it's it's stuff
that feels like that would begood for a young voice.
So that was good for my voice.
Well, him's or hers, howeverthey are, or them's baby.
Daniel (20:29):
I'm going to start calling them.
Sinclair (20:31):
All right, that's like .
Yes, open up to them number.
Baby, find me in the beautySunday.
Daniel (20:37):
Because I still have a church gig, but it's at a
Catholic church and sometimes Ihave to announce the song
numbers.
So catch me, catch me at HolyTrinity Catholic Church saying
our next them 749 and thebreaking bread booklet.
Okay, they're going to thinkthat I have a stroke of it.
Sinclair (20:59):
No, just tell me what you're going to do.
Daniel (21:01):
Everyone, because I know there's some queers in that
audience.
It's not a performance of Lord,I promise Sorry, so that seems
like it was an easy navigationfor you.
Sinclair (21:16):
Yeah.
Daniel (21:16):
How was navigating other things through the transition?
So like family, friends, actingcommunity?
Sinclair (21:24):
Yeah, I family.
Oh, eventually came around andI'm like so grateful for that,
because it is hard for peoplewho have grown up my mom like
group Catholic, so like to havea like gay kid and then to have
a trans kid is like a lot todeal with and although she made
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many mistakes in that journey,in the end she was very
supportive and and a force toregret in my life, I would say.
As far as theater goes, I justkind of didn't do anything for
about five years just because Ididn't know what my voice was
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going to sound like and I didn'thave.
I just needed to settle and Iwas not really confident in my
abilities like I studied tooperate as me, but that's the
extent of my training really.
So I just wasn't, I wasn'treally ready to put myself out
there until later.
Yeah, and I don't think thatthat's necessarily like the best
(22:33):
choice.
If, like trans, people arewatching this, I don't think you
need to hide yourself whileyou're transitioning, like there
are plenty of roles I couldhave played throughout that
process.
But this was your path, butit's your journey, yeah, it's
your journey.
So whatever works for you, yeah, it did.
Daniel (22:48):
It did Right and if you needed that step back to really
find yourself, to be able tocome back even stronger that's
what it is right.
Some people work through thatand are able to do it as they're
doing it.
Yes, I'm very much so like I'mjust going to figure it out on
my own.
Yes, yeah, so would you saythat it has hindered any of your
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bookings or work?
Sinclair (23:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and I would say that this is
coming from a place of likeprivilege within the trans
community.
Like, most people don't knowthat I'm a trans guy unless I
tell them.
I mean, my Instagram used to betrans and trifling, so they
would like know if they went tothat, but I was like I guess
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I'll be a professional and callmyself Sinclair D Freeman.
Daniel (23:41):
I, but I'm going to make a match.
There were a lot of.
Sinclair (23:49):
Koreans like me.
I bet.
I'm circular and bingo.
Daniel (24:06):
It's re-man.
Yes, we're like this like noit's not interesting.
Well, there's no need topresent that right in that form
Right, like it, just it doesn't.
Sinclair (24:18):
It doesn't matter.
So I've been very fortunatethat, like, my voice has settled
, and like for people that aretransitioning to like the more
masculine end of the spectrum,or take test doctrine I'll just
speak that way um, like yourvoice, getting deeper is much
easier to handle, like vocally,like if a person was born as a
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guy and starts taking estrogen,your vocal cords can't become
less thick.
Your voice is not going to gohigher, it can't without vocal
training and extensive work tomake it do that.
And I don't think they shouldhave to do that.
I think there are plenty oftrans women that are singers,
like Sis, that can singbeautifully in their natural
range, and it doesn't detractfrom the story in any way
(25:02):
whatsoever to hear somethinglower.
That's crazy to me.
Daniel (25:06):
Well, and people like there was an uproar about that
whole production first off, yes,I mean okay, fine.
Yeah, I get that.
Some of it was a little weirdand maybe I didn't understand
some of it, but it was veryartsy for me.
But there's one thing that youcouldn't attack and it was a
(25:26):
person playing a part.
Right, you know, yes, that theyare fine playing.
Yes, because you know and Ithink sometimes we have that
problem even in the DFW area.
You know, about putting theright person in the right spot,
whether it be age, gender,diversity, whatever it may be.
(25:47):
Yes, right, I think that, butin a wider set we still have
issues with that.
Absolutely but.
And then I, not to say you'reat an advantage.
I mean, those were your words,right, that you sometimes do, I
am.
But I feel bad for some of ourother DFW community actors right
that who don't get booked orwho don't have the opportunities
(26:10):
that you sometimes get becausethey may not present Exactly,
it's all about that.
Sinclair (26:18):
Like, some people don't have the option of
disclosing whether they're transor not, because as soon as you
walk into the room they knowyeah, and it makes me furious
that theaters say that they wantto cast diverse shows and
they're open to casting peopleof all genders, and then they
(26:39):
don't do it.
Daniel (26:40):
Yeah, I saw something on Facebook the other day that Dom
shared.
Yes, that we need to be moreaware of it, because have you
noticed that theaters have evenstarted removing that little
tagline, or you know, thedisclaimer of we are open to
people of diverse genders,backgrounds, whatever races.
It's no longer on auditions,yeah.
(27:03):
So why?
Why theaters?
Why?
Why have we removed that?
That should still be and it wasnot just we're doing it for a
year because we need to makeeverybody happy because of
something that happened.
Yeah, it needs to be.
We're continuing with thisbecause these are our values,
this is what we stand for.
Sinclair (27:24):
And it tells a better story.
You can't tell me that ifyou're casting from the most
diverse pool, that you're notgoing to tell the best possible
story.
You're robbing yourself inaudiences by limiting yourself
to the same groups of peopleover and over again.
Daniel (27:37):
I'm sick of the.
Well, they did not audition,they weren't as talented.
I'm sick of those experiences.
Right, it needs to be a.
Were they really not astalented or were you just did?
You have your horse blinders onRight and you just saw that
specifically in that one personthat you wanted to see.
(27:59):
But this person may haveanother skill that really you
know works for them.
So I mean, I'm just here to saywe're sick of it, we're sick of
it, so, and I'm canceled, we upthere, but, yeah, you too, for
sure.
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
You know you were able tosettle in your way and I would
(28:21):
definitely say, when I came totheater Arlington which is
mostly a conservative group ofpeople that come to shows at
theater Arlington I don't thinkany of them would have ever have
thought that they were cheeringon hugging a trans person of
color yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Sinclair (28:40):
I like to tell people afterwards too, because, like I
honestly have changed a lot ofpeople's minds by that, because
like I'm not, I'm just a guy.
Daniel (28:47):
Like I know.
Sinclair (28:48):
Exactly, I like to giggle, I like wine, I like to
hang out with my friends, like Ilike to sing, and so you've met
me now and you've encounteredthat I'm like a normal person,
not the boogeyman thateveryone's been telling you.
So what do you do with that now?
Daniel (29:01):
Yeah, and here's what I have to say about this.
I hope at one point all of thisjust fades away.
Yes, it all fades away, whichbrings us to your next song.
Yeah, so we're going to headover into the piano and hear a
little bit more of Sinclairsinging.
So this is your go-to audition,right, or one of them?
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One of them?
Yeah, yeah, Anything thatyou've auditioned with that
you've booked because of this orlike it's a horrible project.
Actually no, Maybe later on youknow what, maybe?
Sinclair (29:37):
Yeah, you know my vocal coach so you know what,
you know what.
Daniel (29:43):
But I do.
I think this song is great,right?
Yeah, it's fun.
You'll know once you hear it.
He's not going to do the no,not today, but everything else
he's got Right.
Okay, let's try it out, let'ssee what happens.
Sinclair (29:54):
Okay, I was sliding down the mountain, I was burning
in the sun, I was crying withamazement at the view, I was
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capturing a moment.
But when all is said and done,well, it all fades away, but you
.
It all fades away.
It all fades away.
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It all fades away but you.
I have sailed across the oceans, past the seas and the farms on
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a never-ending quest forsomething new, and the only
thing that mattered were thefour days in your arms cause it
all fades away, but you it allfades away, it all fades away,
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it all fades away, but you.
Daniel (31:39):
So when I started this, I was like no Sondheim, no Jason
Overbrown, Because I don't playpiano.
Vonda, I don't play piano, sodon't call me up please, ma'am.
But I was willing to do a JasonOverbrown for you today,
because I do love that song andI played it enough because I
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sing it as well.
Right, but Vonda, don't call meup, don't do it, cause I know
she said something like don'tlist that you can't do those she
didn't say that, yeah, she'slike hire a real accompanist.
Then I was like she didn't growl.
Well, I ain't got the budget tohire a real accompanist.
Vonda, you wanna come for free?
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She ain't coming.
Nope, she ain't going to.
No wonderful Speaking of like.
I had a lot of mishaps on thepiano.
Let's talk about some mishapsmaybe that you've had.
I know that.
You know you may not have speltsomething correctly.
One time I did.
I did there.
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Yeah, this good ol' show I'mcoming clean.
Sinclair (32:45):
I'm coming clean.
Okay, you'll read up.
Not the cuckoo.
Get in the rainbow.
During Spelling Bee, during mybig monologue, where Garrett is
frozen in space and it's justthe light spotlight on me.
I'm staring into Garrett'sbeautiful blue eyes, monologuing
, and I completely forget whatI'm supposed to talk about.
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There's not a thought in mybrain at all, but I have to get
out of this.
I know the monologue's aboutgood and evil kind of, and I did
used to work as a pastor awhile ago.
So I go like into a mini sermonabout it and then just I know
the last line and then just cutit off and we get out of it.
Okay, it's fine.
I was like whoop made it allright.
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Nobody knew except for Garrettand everyone else in the Gap,
but it's fine.
And then I'm talking to ValerieSwinson after the show and she
said I loved your little sermontoday about good and evil.
It was really good tonightbecause she saw the show Every
night.
Daniel (33:41):
I was gonna say she saw that every night.
Sinclair (33:42):
She knew, she saw that every night.
For a while she called me out.
Come on, val, come on.
Daniel (33:48):
Why do I just imagine her at some point?
Amen, yeah, she was with me.
Sinclair (33:51):
She was like it was good, I said thank you, thank
you.
I just, I don't know, my brainit broke, I don't know what
happened.
Daniel (33:57):
I feel like I would have blacked out and 20 minutes
later I'm still talking.
Sinclair (34:00):
I was like nothing, not a thought in my brain.
Daniel (34:05):
I'm surprised that because I know Garrett.
Sinclair (34:09):
Yes.
Daniel (34:10):
I know he's a professional actor.
He sure is, but I'm surprisedhe didn't break out and laugh or
anything, because he was a truepretty girl.
Sinclair (34:16):
He just stared at my eyes.
He was like come on, come on.
Daniel (34:19):
Well, if he was probably like, yes, like feeling it with
you at the same time, oh my God, yeah, I know I'm horrible at
lines.
Sinclair (34:28):
I'm horrible Sometimes .
Daniel (34:30):
Like I need the book for at least a good six months.
Not six months, because if youwant me to memorize it, no,
anytime.
I audition, even audition songs, I cannot.
There's no space in here.
I don't know if it's all thealcohol.
Sinclair (34:52):
I call myself God's favorite goldfish.
Daniel (34:58):
I mean, I'm God's favorite whale.
Sinclair (35:04):
Now I have to laugh like this you did that.
Yeah, I did it.
You're fine, beluga.
Daniel (35:12):
Beluga from here on out.
No, for the life of me cannotremember, Just because there's
nothing there.
I can't explain it.
Oh, I tell you the samegoldfish.
Because of the line You'resaying, because of short memory.
Sinclair (35:26):
Yes, I'm with you now.
Now you're with me, I'm a dummy.
Daniel (35:30):
So I called myself a whale for no reason yeah, I was
like, well, that OK.
That's not me.
So, yeah, no, I think that.
Has there ever been a show oranything that you've seen that
was just like oh, am I reallyLike?
I've had moments before whereI'm like I'm sitting here
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watching a show about who was it?
It was like a brand new showwhere they're like doing
someone's life and I was like,am I really watching this right
now?
Am I really watching this showthat's about someone's life, or
like a show where you've liketaken yourself out of the moment
?
Sinclair (36:07):
Yes, like oh, this was I don't know.
This was years ago, man,probably eight or so years ago.
Some, some random group ofstudents were like we're putting
on a play in a warehouse off.
Riverfront.
Boulevard.
So they knew when I did and itwas like immersive, but it was
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just, it was just bad.
It was just bad.
There was like they tried totalk about like heavy hitting
issues without any of thegravitas and it ended up just
being funny and I don't reallywant to giggle at like debating,
no, no, like birth control,that's not funny.
But I'm laughing because you'redoing a bad job and it felt
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like the SNL skit of, like thehigh school students in the
Black Fox, yeah, yes, yes yes,yes, yes, that whole type of
vibe.
It was not, it was not not myfavorite.
Daniel (37:04):
I mean I.
It would not be my favoriteeither, so I understand where
you're coming from.
Sinclair (37:09):
I hope they had a good time.
Daniel (37:10):
There you go, there you go.
Have you ever thought aboutwhat is your regular day job?
What do you do on the regularLike?
What are your passions?
What would you do?
What passion besides theater?
Tell me the other side ofSinclair that gets you.
Sinclair (37:23):
Yeah, Um, before.
I mean I feel like I've lived amillion lives.
Most recently I worked inadvertising and work as a
strategist.
I really liked that, but I'mkind of shifting into trying to
do acting more full time and,with that, doing personal
training on the side.
So I love working out.
Daniel (37:39):
You look great, thank you, yeah, yeah.
Sinclair (37:41):
Yeah, I love working out.
It's really fun.
I like like moving and helpingpeople move if they want to get
strong, if you want to, whatever.
So that's coming soon.
I'm working on that.
Daniel (37:50):
Yeah, so you're going to do like a whole thing for it.
Sinclair (37:52):
Yes, Put it out there, yeah.
Daniel (37:54):
Yeah, you're like the champ for all the actors in the
area.
Everyone's going to you for.
Sinclair (38:00):
I hope so.
Come on, let's do it.
Daniel (38:01):
Yeah, no, that'd be great.
I think that.
No, like I said, I feel likeyou've bulked up even more since
the last time I've seen you sonice.
As far as other passions, wouldyou say that you have a dream
show that you've always wantedto do, whether you're, you know,
on stage, offstage or somewhere.
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Another dream show?
Let's start with that.
Sinclair (38:26):
Yeah, I'm a couple for like straight stage stuff.
I would love to be a fellow oneday.
That sounds like so fun, I likewould you want to?
Daniel (38:35):
do the like PBS version where they're doing like the new
.
Have you seen those where it'slike the modern?
Yeah yes, but they still usethe old language.
I love that.
I Danielle Brooks, yo who areyou, Danielle Brooks?
Sinclair (38:50):
a revelation of the color purple.
Daniel (38:52):
Yes, can I tell you, I sobbed, so I think I made it 20
minutes into the movie and thenjust cried all the time through
the rest of it, like I often.
I think I was wailing whenNettie came back.
Sinclair (39:06):
Yes, absolutely.
My family was like are you OK?
I said no, she's back, she'salive but Danielle Brooks killed
.
Daniel (39:17):
I was I didn't expect it .
Honestly, I didn't.
I didn't really.
If she doesn't win somethingshe has to Like, don't get me
wrong.
Fantasia amazing.
Yes, everybody but but Danielle, the acting, yes, the which I
already knew, because I mean herand that.
What is it that she did?
As you like it.
Sinclair (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's what she did.
Daniel (39:39):
Phenomenal, like delivery.
Everything was just a command,like she knew what she was doing
.
Yeah, every single thing.
Yeah, yeah, I'd love to seelike Shakespeare in the park or
something.
Try to do one of those.
Take a modern, take onsomething.
I think that that's just sodifferent.
I mean even they're likebecause they would like had an
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outdoor picnic and there's likea barbecue.
Yes, I love the way that theywere just like fully invested
into really making it modernusing the old language.
Yes, I think you, like you,would also do great at a regular
production.
Sinclair (40:13):
Well, sure, but like more fun, for me at least, to do
the modernized version, and Ilove like seeing customers get
to shine in that way too.
Like period pieces are superfun, obviously like so, so fun.
But I thought the costuming andas you like it was just like so
vibrant and like really broughtit to the modern era too.
So that's cool.
Daniel (40:29):
No, I heard that completely no, a fellow would be
great.
I mean, I can't tell you howmany times I've watched Sir Ian
McKellen or you know any of hisolder stuff.
Oh yeah, I just feel thinkingabout it.
Yeah, I was just watchingMonday.
I can't remember if it was afellow or what it was, but he's
like in a room full of mirrorsand like has this huge monologue
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and just everything.
His delivery is just phenomenalas well and I think you have
that power behind your voicewhere it's just like you really.
That's why I thought for aminute maybe you would even do
education.
I was like you have thiscommand about.
Sinclair (41:05):
I did do that as well.
Yeah, I worked in preschooleducation for five years, in
special ed for one, oh wow.
Daniel (41:14):
Oh, wow, I like that.
Ok, so, a fellow, are there anyother shows or any other
characters you really seeyourself or want to put out into
the DFW area for you to?
Sinclair (41:24):
Yeah, I mean, if anyone wants to do a ragtime
again, I'd love to do that.
Daniel (41:29):
I'd love to go on.
I think that Ragtime on asmaller scale would also do it
really well.
Yes, like, don't get me wrong.
Lyric I love their largeproductions, I love it, and now
that they've moved to the moody,I think that it'll fit them.
Oh, yeah, but I'd love to see asmaller you know just a tighter
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production of it here in thearea.
Sinclair (41:54):
I agree, I think people get scared.
But I think you're right, Ithink that could work.
Daniel (41:58):
so well, yeah, well, and it's just so.
That show in itself is justphenomenal.
It's written beautifully, yes,the way that it interweaves
historical events into it.
Speaking of so, I had neverseen the show before, but I
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listened to a lot of Broadwaysongs, right, and so in college
I love Make them Hear you.
That song is just like it hitsme in my heartstrings and it
just hits all the right places.
And so I remember going to myvoice teacher and being like I
think for my senior recital I'mgoing to sing.
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Make them Hear you.
That was almost her exactreaction, because Stupid Daniel
had not thought to read up onthe synopsis of the show or
anything at all.
Turns out it's a very, veryracially charged show.
Sinclair (43:04):
In case y'all didn't know yeah, Raktime is pretty
racially charged.
Daniel (43:09):
So it's kind of the basis of the whole show.
That song is like thepenultimate moment of like nah
right.
So she was like we're going topick another one.
Think I did Purpose.
Sinclair (43:28):
It's great.
We love Purpose and I was likeyeah yeah.
And I find my purpose.
Daniel (43:40):
So, but yeah, no.
But speaking of that song, likeI said, it's just beautiful.
I think it's perfect, and it'sactually one song that you're
going to perform for us todaywhich makes me very excited and
I can't wait to hear it.
So pumped to sing it, I mightcry.
(44:02):
That's okay, you were holdingme, yeah.
Sinclair (44:05):
I was like oh man.
Daniel (44:08):
This is one of my favorite songs, and when you had
this on your list, I think youhad it for everything too.
So it's obviously one of yourfavorites.
When I saw this show at Lyricand I mean I had already seen it
during the travel, right Duringthe tour, and I just remember
sobbing my eyes out and I meanLyric, beautiful I can't
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remember his name, oh my gosh,I'll look it up in post, but
amazing, definitely a dream rolefor you.
Yes, absolutely Right.
Just a beautiful piece of music.
Great, I mean, let's not makesome weight any longer.
Sinclair (44:52):
Yeah, go out and tell our story.
Let it echo far and wide.
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you how justicewas our battle and how justice
was denied.
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Make them hear you.
Make them hear you and say tothose who blame us for the way
we chose to fight that sometimesthere are battles that are more
than black or white, and Icould not put down my sword when
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justice was my right.
Make them hear you.
Go out and tell our story toyour daughters and your sons.
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you and tellthem in our struggles we were
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not the only ones.
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you.
Your sword can be a sermon orthe power of the pen.
Teach every child to raise hisvoice.
And then, my brothers, thenWill justice be demanded by ten
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million righteous men.
Make them hear you.
When they hear you, I'll benear you Again.
Daniel (46:43):
As we just came off the most emotional song of my life.
Love how that's how we cameinto that.
Thanks a lot, sinclair Ruin themoment.
No, I want to thank you forjoining me on the show today for
episode number two.
You were definitely like I said.
I talked to Danny a little bitand I was like, hey, who should
I have on the show, who wouldreally bring something that I
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can put out there?
And your name came up on bothsides, and so I'm just very
appreciative that you agreedbecause, believe me, at first,
when I was sliding into your DMs, oh my God.
Sinclair (47:15):
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to everyone.
Daniel (47:19):
So thank you for being here, thanks for really putting
it all out there and tellingyour story.
Tell your story.
See, I can sing it now, julia.
So thank you for that.
Guys, make sure you catch us onall social media.
I'm going to tell it right here, that way you can see me.
You can get us at Daniel doesDFW, and that's on Instagram, on
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tick talk, here on YouTube,where you're watching it
currently, and then also we havea Facebook page, so make sure
you follow everything.
You like it all.
Sinclair's already done it,because I made sure of it before
we started the interview.
That's a requirement.
Yeah, that's what I thought, orno more?
Yeah, pull out your phone now.
So thanks again.
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Make sure you watch thisepisode as many times as you can
, mom, so I can get more viewsagain and we'll catch you next
time.
Hang on to those tea cups.
Sinclair's stinky Stinkerbarely don't work.
Stinker, barely don't work.
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Very good, very good.
Hi guys and welcome back to Daniel Does DFW Theater.
Hooty Hoot! Hang on Tea Cups.
Hey, welcome back.
I'm so excited for episode two.
I hope you enjoyed episode one,mom.
Thank you for watching it athousand times.
The views have really gone upwatching it overnight.
Whatever you're doing, Iappreciate it, but to everyone
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else watch it.
It's there.
Dani was amazing, so just goback.
But do you know who I havetoday?
That's kind of even moreamazing.
Sorry, dani, today I haveSinclair Freeman.
Welcome to the show, Sinclair.
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks for being here.
I was nervous asking youbecause we have never really
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like we've met and I use thatterm lightly, because sometimes
I think our friends are justreally rude and expect everyone
to know everybody and I was likeI get that DFW is small, but
like I still don't know thatperson.
Sinclair (01:03):
But I was nervous Like I slid into your DMs.
Sinclair is difficult to get ahold of.
Oh sorry.
Daniel (01:08):
God so sorry.
When I tell you, I messagedthis man probably about 50 times
.
I thought I was being a stalkerfor a minute Because I was like
are you there?
Can we record?
Can we do this?
So I'm glad that I reached outto some friends and was like I
just need his number Becausewe're going to do this no matter
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what.
But yeah, we've met a coupletimes my favorite moment and
when I knew.
I was like I love this personwas and it may mean nothing to
you at all was when we went togo see Barbie.
Sinclair (01:44):
Yes.
Daniel (01:45):
Okay, good, absolutely.
We went to go see Barbie forDani's birthday.
Yes, wow, call back to me.
Thanks, danny.
And that movie really isn'teven like an emotional or
anything, but there were momentswhere you and I were laughing
together.
Sinclair (02:00):
Yes, and I was like this is my this is like we're in
this, together, we're giggling.
And then at the end.
Daniel (02:06):
I'm over here like this, crying and I look over and
you're like okay, thank God.
I'm not the only one, and therewas a moment I was like yes, I
was like I don't know you, so.
I was like just glad that.
I'm with you there, okay, good,yes, I felt that I knew that in
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that moment I was like I can befriends with this person, yes,
and I love this person.
Yes Again.
Barbie is not a emotional film,but it still got me.
In the end it did.
There was just something aboutlike, yes, women power for
everyone that I was all about,but no, you have done a lot of
things though here in the area.
(02:48):
Specifically, I would saystraight plays.
Yeah, Right, yeah.
I've only seen you in two shows.
The first time I actually sawyou on stage was you're like?
Sinclair (02:59):
oh yeah, I was like I don't know this, you were doing
that burglask.
Daniel (03:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course you had that feather boa
Back in the day.
Yeah, so you were in elf.
Sinclair (03:12):
Oh yeah, you had fire house.
Daniel (03:14):
Yeah, where you all, it was COVID time.
It was COVID time, and so youhad to do the outdoor cold
freeze your like ass off.
It was so cold, I remember likeI was like those elves have got
to be shivering, yes, causethey're all the time, tiny, just
, you only had a suit on.
Sinclair (03:31):
I did.
Yeah, I got to be Walter, so Igot the business.
Daniel (03:34):
Cause you were playing the father.
Sinclair (03:36):
Yes, and Walter Hobbs.
It's not the character names.
Daniel (03:39):
I remember you opened your mouth for the first, and so
my mom has a thing for it, andso I've developed it for raspy
voices, oh, yeah.
Like my mom, likes older raspyvoice people Like, even like a
Carol King sometimes has alittle.
Sinclair (03:52):
Yeah, she's to it.
Daniel (03:53):
Right, yeah, that like just fits perfect.
And you open your mouth and Iwas with a Stephen D Morris, the
producer of theater Arlington,and I went and cause I think
auditions were coming up forlike sister act or something,
and so he was like I mean I amlooking for a Curtis you know,
at some point, and so I justwe're coming up and I was like I
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think you may have which Idon't think you were able to do
it after all, but I was like Ilove this person's voice so much
, and then the only other thing,I saw you.
well, I didn't even see you init, did I?
I did come see spelling.
I was like yeah, I did seespelling bee, which you were
phenomenal.
I was a little upset.
That was my dream role.
I can't wait to watch you do it.
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Whenever it happens next, it'sall you, yeah, Cause I can play.
You could barely play.
I was like, okay, here we go.
There was a moment I was likeyou are acting I don't know
about prison.
You really have to be.
It's like a rough character,which that's probably why I
wasn't cast.
Yeah, that's the tattoos of theflowers.
Sinclair (05:05):
They were like thug.
Daniel (05:07):
That's all it is.
He's got it yeah.
But yeah, no, I, I saw you inthat loved the I love you song
is just, oh, I had so muchbunting in that beautiful song
(05:27):
and you got to do it with Brettand on and then, oh so
powerhouses, yes, Literally likeall of y'all were fighting for
your life.
Sinclair (05:35):
I felt lucky that I got to sing with them.
It was so fun yeah.
Daniel (05:39):
I loved that.
Speaking of recent projects, Iknow you recently were just
booked at DTC.
Sinclair (05:45):
Yeah Was that your first DTC?
Yes, it was Thank you?
Daniel (05:49):
What role did you play?
Were you a swing?
Yes, yes so.
Sinclair (05:53):
I was one of the male understudies so I understood
understudied for Bob Cratchitand then Mr Fezziwig, so that
was a lot of fun.
I got to hang out with Yvonneand Randy Perelman and they were
both like lovely to like workwith and understudy so it was
really fun.
Daniel (06:07):
I really feel like you could do a whole case study on
Randy Perelman Absolutely, andeverything that he has to offer.
Sinclair (06:13):
He was the one yeah.
Daniel (06:14):
No for sure.
So very lucky with that.
I must say I'm jealous of youbecause I had a crush when I was
a kid on set label.
You did, I did, I'm not kiddingyou.
I remember watching Wishbone ohmy God and in the Odyssey
(06:39):
episode.
Sinclair (06:39):
I was a Wishbone girl.
Let's go.
Daniel (06:42):
In the Odyssey episode she played the wife, right?
Yes, and so when he like comesback and like, they have the
shooting arrow contest and stuff, like in Wishbone, has a little
pause.
Yes, oh my.
Sinclair (06:54):
God, I was like I don't know, it's okay.
Daniel (07:02):
But like I thought she was the, it still is, yes, the
most beautiful person.
Sinclair (07:06):
Yes, in Wishbone Absolutely.
Daniel (07:09):
And so I'm like so much so I like became a little creepy
.
I saw her at a lyric show and Iwas like I hate you, sally, I
promise I'm not stalking you,I'm not coming for you.
She is so incredible.
I love you.
Credible yeah.
Sinclair (07:22):
It was like it felt like a masterclass to get to
watch her in rehearsal.
Daniel (07:25):
Honestly, Well, they froze the cast, right.
So last year she played Marley.
Did she play Marley again?
Yes, oh, she was, so I didn'tget to see it this year,
unfortunately, but I did see itlast year.
Okay, yes, just so.
I mean the whole cast, honestly.
Sinclair (07:39):
Yes, it's pretty so yeah, so great.
Daniel (07:43):
And then are you.
Do you have anything coming up,do you?
What do you have in the works?
Sinclair (07:48):
I mean, for the first time in my life, I'm like
actually pursuing projects.
I would say before I would justbe like I know I specifically
fit this or I know someone, andit's like just text me if you
want me to go.
That's makes me sound like I'mokay.
Timothy Shalaman no, oh my God.
No, no, no, no, no.
I want audition, just text you.
Daniel (08:08):
No, oh my.
Sinclair (08:08):
God, okay so no, I didn't mean it like that.
I mean I was mostly busy.
I was a caretaker for my mom,so my schedule was pretty,
pretty packed.
But now I have a lot more timeon my hands and I'm my upcoming
projects are auditions.
Daniel (08:22):
Basically Nice, nice, nice, nice, yeah, no, in the
streets, I mean.
Whatever it is, there's tons ofthings coming up to me that I
can already see you fit for that, I think, would be lovely.
Tell me about maybe one of yourfavorite projects that you've
done.
Ooh, one of my favorite, one ofyour favorite shows.
Sinclair (08:43):
Yeah, um, this was maybe one of my, after returning
back to theater, after takinglike a five-year break, I Did a
play which was a co-productionbetween a flexible great theater
and uptown players, calledcooties, and it was for like
Pride month, so they had afestival and so there was like a
one-man show and then our showthat we, that we alternated with
(09:06):
and, yeah, that was my firsttime being in a show with a
completely queer cast queerdirector.
It was just the best and theshow was like just About college
students living their lives andand queerness was a part of the
story but not the main part,and it felt Really special to be
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able to tell that story fromsuch a place of authenticity.
And I got to be in the showwith my wife, so that was cool.
We were at Mary's, but whichcongratulations you.
Daniel (09:36):
what has it been a couple months?
Sinclair (09:37):
Yeah, I got married in October.
Daniel (09:40):
I was married now.
How long have y'all beentogether?
About six years, y'all werebabies.
Yes, yeah, no sick Bob itcongrats.
Yeah, thank you, husband,material all the way, thank you
Are.
You do all the cooking.
Sinclair (09:59):
No, oh my god, I can't cook to save my life.
But I'm very handy.
I'm handy, I can clean the car.
I'll do the oil turn you, ohyou, you do oil changes.
I mean I could, I don't, but Ioh I'm do.
I mean I can take the car foryou.
That's what I mean by.
Daniel (10:20):
It's like I'll bring you the pants.
Like, that's what I was likewith my dad, like bring me the
wrench and I bring him a hammerand he's like you, stupid, oh
yeah because I didn't knowanything, right, yeah but okay,
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never mind.
So if you can't do it, I knowhow to drive into a dealer, I
can handle that much.
So you got started here.
Sinclair (10:48):
I was still like TCC right, you did rap time you just
on a whim, was it just yeah.
So I went to SMU for a coupleof years.
I didn't graduate.
I started off singing operathere.
That makes so much so.
Daniel (11:02):
I can hear it in your voice you were classically
trained.
Yeah, yes, it's there.
Sinclair (11:06):
Yeah, it was like a huge choir nerd in high school
did all stated all that stuff.
And so After after I stoppedsinging opera, I was like I
don't think I want to perform,until I just randomly was like
what they're doing?
Rag time Need more black people.
Daniel (11:21):
Well, and I'm sure you were like I'll just done rag
time.
You did opera.
Yeah, I can do Exactly.
Sinclair (11:30):
I was like okay, I can do this, and so I just went and
auditioned and I ended upbooking Sarah's friend.
Daniel (11:37):
Because you're Timothy, shallow, because I'm Timothy,
timothy, timothy, timothy,timothy, that's who you I'm
gonna start calling you.
Oh, wonderful now.
So you just did how.
How long ago was that?
Sinclair (11:57):
that was in like 2013, so that was a long.
Daniel (12:01):
Over 10 years, yeah, wow .
And then from there you justkind of like skyrocket.
I feel like You've had like acome up right, like it feels
like it like you, you've startedthe momentum and you really
have just like put your workinto it.
I would say yeah to be whereyou are.
I mean, booking DTC issomething that.
Sinclair (12:21):
Yeah, people want to do.
Daniel (12:23):
Yeah, and so I think that that's a special and
amazing and awesome.
Speaking of special, amazingand awesome, I'm Daniel
Hernandez.
No, I want us to go ahead anddo your first song.
Okay, I think that I'm ready tohear you sing a little bit, and
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and it's a song that I'm reallynot even familiar with.
So let's get over there, let'shave you sing something that you
sound good in all right, do youthink that?
Do y'all want to hear him sing?
We'll see.
Okay, well, let's go.
So I just picked this song.
Sinclair (13:01):
My now wife introduced this song to me many years ago.
Daniel (13:04):
You know I had never heard of it until today, which I
don't know what I'm playing, sowe'll see what happens.
Yeah, is it like meaningful atall?
Does it mean, or you just thinkit's really pretty?
Sinclair (13:17):
I think it's beautiful .
I'm a romantic.
I love to see about love.
Daniel (13:21):
Oh well, let's sing about love.
Sinclair (13:30):
It's been hot, also very sweet, though I'm you not
usually In discreet.
But when he sparkles, the earthbegins.
What more can I say?
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How can I express how confusedam I by our happiness?
I can't eat breakfast, I cannottie my shoe.
What more can I do?
If I say I love him, you mightthink my words come cheap.
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Let's just say I'm glad he's myawake.
The sleep it's been hot Also.
It's been swell, more than not.
It's been more than words cantell.
I Halt, I stammer, I sing thewrong.
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What more can I say?
I'll stay On time my tongue andtry and stay both Kind and
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young.
I was taught never bragg orshout, but still it's hot, just
like how you read about, andalso caring and never to uncouth
.
That's the simple truth.
(15:38):
Can you tell?
(15:58):
I have been revised.
It's so swell, damn it.
Even I'm surprised.
I we laugh, we fall, we take itday by day, day by day.
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What more can I say?
Daniel (16:32):
I'm gonna say, wow, that was such a fevers, Thank you,
yeah, no, again I felt thefevers again.
Yeah, I was like guys that walkover here, just everything
Steaman, steaman.
Speaking of steaming, let'stalk about your arch nemesis,
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that steaming pile of poop.
I was like God If you had tellit to me real.
Okay, If you had an imaginaryarch nemesis, right, one person
who is constantly beating you tothe punch, constantly stealing
your roles I mean your rolesConstantly.
You know, just one up and youwent in that audition room,
(17:28):
right, that steaming pile ofpoop, whoever it is.
I was like, can I say that onthe podcast?
I can say it.
Who is your main competitor?
Imaginary arch nemesis in theDFW area?
Sinclair (17:42):
Oh man in the DFW area .
Oh, no, no, no.
Do you know what?
Open it up.
Yeah, michael B Jordan is myarch nemesis.
He is taking my roles.
I should have been agreed, eventhough I've never attempted to
act in film.
It should have been me.
Daniel (17:58):
Do you know what?
That's what I think.
I would have liked that.
I would have liked that.
Sinclair (18:02):
I don't know about the DFW area.
As far as my arch nemesis goes,I, I.
I don't know, I'm not verycompetitive.
Daniel (18:11):
Is it Tara?
Sinclair (18:12):
Park.
Yes, tara, stop booking myroles.
Daniel (18:16):
Can you imagine her as a comfort counselor?
Sinclair (18:19):
She probably could do it.
She could probably do it sheshe would do it too.
Daniel (18:24):
You could do it.
That's the thing.
Sinclair (18:26):
It would sound amazing , that's the tea, though it
would sound good.
Daniel (18:31):
There's like a standing ovation every night.
Sinclair (18:33):
Wonderful, bring her back.
I think you wanted to do itagain.
Listen, okay, let's, let's tryit, let's shake it up.
Daniel (18:42):
So, speaking of your voice, there's something that I
do want to talk about.
Yeah, so I want to talk aboutyou navigating your voice right
Through your transition at thesame time.
Yeah, because I feel like thatthat's something that I've
worked with someone right whoalso transitioned, and just that
navigation of the voice andfinding it, because when you're
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on hormones and everything likeyou don't know where it's going
to sit or where it's going to go.
Yeah, and so I like how did youfind because you've settled so
well in your voice and it reallyfits you Like how, how did you
really work on that?
What did you?
Sinclair (19:19):
what it was just time, honestly, for me, as soon as I
started taking hormones, thechange happened really quickly.
I would say within the firstthree months, like throughout my
transition, I basically stayedemployed through like a church
job by saying I'm at thedischarge, I was a section
leader, and so I was a sopranotoo, and so I, yeah, next week,
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like it was maybe a month later,and I had to go to the director
, I was like I need to move downand it was fine, and so I was
very fortunate.
It was like a very open andaffirming church.
Daniel (19:56):
Methodists are typically I have done many gigs at a
Methodist church.
They're like bring on thequeers.
Sinclair (20:02):
Yes.
So they were like they were thegood ones and I just was able
to slide on down and so,basically, just like not pushing
it too hard, just taking itvery easy Like church music.
We're not doing anything toohard.
It's him's, it's it'soffertories, it's it's stuff
that feels like that would begood for a young voice.
So that was good for my voice.
Well, him's or hers, howeverthey are, or them's baby.
Daniel (20:29):
I'm going to start calling them.
Sinclair (20:31):
All right, that's like .
Yes, open up to them number.
Baby, find me in the beautySunday.
Daniel (20:37):
Because I still have a church gig, but it's at a
Catholic church and sometimes Ihave to announce the song
numbers.
So catch me, catch me at HolyTrinity Catholic Church saying
our next them 749 and thebreaking bread booklet.
Okay, they're going to thinkthat I have a stroke of it.
Sinclair (20:59):
No, just tell me what you're going to do.
Daniel (21:01):
Everyone, because I know there's some queers in that
audience.
It's not a performance of Lord,I promise Sorry, so that seems
like it was an easy navigationfor you.
Sinclair (21:16):
Yeah.
Daniel (21:16):
How was navigating other things through the transition?
So like family, friends, actingcommunity?
Sinclair (21:24):
Yeah, I family.
Oh, eventually came around andI'm like so grateful for that,
because it is hard for peoplewho have grown up my mom like
group Catholic, so like to havea like gay kid and then to have
a trans kid is like a lot todeal with and although she made
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many mistakes in that journey,in the end she was very
supportive and and a force toregret in my life, I would say.
As far as theater goes, I justkind of didn't do anything for
about five years just because Ididn't know what my voice was
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going to sound like and I didn'thave.
I just needed to settle and Iwas not really confident in my
abilities like I studied tooperate as me, but that's the
extent of my training really.
So I just wasn't, I wasn'treally ready to put myself out
there until later.
Yeah, and I don't think thatthat's necessarily like the best
(22:33):
choice.
If, like trans, people arewatching this, I don't think you
need to hide yourself whileyou're transitioning, like there
are plenty of roles I couldhave played throughout that
process.
But this was your path, butit's your journey, yeah, it's
your journey.
So whatever works for you, yeah, it did.
Daniel (22:48):
It did Right and if you needed that step back to really
find yourself, to be able tocome back even stronger that's
what it is right.
Some people work through thatand are able to do it as they're
doing it.
Yes, I'm very much so like I'mjust going to figure it out on
my own.
Yes, yeah, so would you saythat it has hindered any of your
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bookings or work?
Sinclair (23:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and I would say that this is
coming from a place of likeprivilege within the trans
community.
Like, most people don't knowthat I'm a trans guy unless I
tell them.
I mean, my Instagram used to betrans and trifling, so they
would like know if they went tothat, but I was like I guess
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I'll be a professional and callmyself Sinclair D Freeman.
Daniel (23:41):
I, but I'm going to make a match.
There were a lot of.
Sinclair (23:49):
Koreans like me.
I bet.
I'm circular and bingo.
Daniel (24:06):
It's re-man.
Yes, we're like this like noit's not interesting.
Well, there's no need topresent that right in that form
Right, like it, just it doesn't.
Sinclair (24:18):
It doesn't matter.
So I've been very fortunatethat, like, my voice has settled
, and like for people that aretransitioning to like the more
masculine end of the spectrum,or take test doctrine I'll just
speak that way um, like yourvoice, getting deeper is much
easier to handle, like vocally,like if a person was born as a
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guy and starts taking estrogen,your vocal cords can't become
less thick.
Your voice is not going to gohigher, it can't without vocal
training and extensive work tomake it do that.
And I don't think they shouldhave to do that.
I think there are plenty oftrans women that are singers,
like Sis, that can singbeautifully in their natural
range, and it doesn't detractfrom the story in any way
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whatsoever to hear somethinglower.
That's crazy to me.
Daniel (25:06):
Well, and people like there was an uproar about that
whole production first off, yes,I mean okay, fine.
Yeah, I get that.
Some of it was a little weirdand maybe I didn't understand
some of it, but it was veryartsy for me.
But there's one thing that youcouldn't attack and it was a
(25:26):
person playing a part.
Right, you know, yes, that theyare fine playing.
Yes, because you know and Ithink sometimes we have that
problem even in the DFW area.
You know, about putting theright person in the right spot,
whether it be age, gender,diversity, whatever it may be.
(25:47):
Yes, right, I think that, butin a wider set we still have
issues with that.
Absolutely but.
And then I, not to say you'reat an advantage.
I mean, those were your words,right, that you sometimes do, I
am.
But I feel bad for some of ourother DFW community actors right
that who don't get booked orwho don't have the opportunities
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that you sometimes get becausethey may not present Exactly,
it's all about that.
Sinclair (26:18):
Like, some people don't have the option of
disclosing whether they're transor not, because as soon as you
walk into the room they knowyeah, and it makes me furious
that theaters say that they wantto cast diverse shows and
they're open to casting peopleof all genders, and then they
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don't do it.
Daniel (26:40):
Yeah, I saw something on Facebook the other day that Dom
shared.
Yes, that we need to be moreaware of it, because have you
noticed that theaters have evenstarted removing that little
tagline, or you know, thedisclaimer of we are open to
people of diverse genders,backgrounds, whatever races.
It's no longer on auditions,yeah.
(27:03):
So why?
Why theaters?
Why?
Why have we removed that?
That should still be and it wasnot just we're doing it for a
year because we need to makeeverybody happy because of
something that happened.
Yeah, it needs to be.
We're continuing with thisbecause these are our values,
this is what we stand for.
Sinclair (27:24):
And it tells a better story.
You can't tell me that ifyou're casting from the most
diverse pool, that you're notgoing to tell the best possible
story.
You're robbing yourself inaudiences by limiting yourself
to the same groups of peopleover and over again.
Daniel (27:37):
I'm sick of the.
Well, they did not audition,they weren't as talented.
I'm sick of those experiences.
Right, it needs to be a.
Were they really not astalented or were you just did?
You have your horse blinders onRight and you just saw that
specifically in that one personthat you wanted to see.
(27:59):
But this person may haveanother skill that really you
know works for them.
So I mean, I'm just here to saywe're sick of it, we're sick of
it, so, and I'm canceled, we upthere, but, yeah, you too, for
sure.
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
You know you were able tosettle in your way and I would
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definitely say, when I came totheater Arlington which is
mostly a conservative group ofpeople that come to shows at
theater Arlington I don't thinkany of them would have ever have
thought that they were cheeringon hugging a trans person of
color yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Sinclair (28:40):
I like to tell people afterwards too, because, like I
honestly have changed a lot ofpeople's minds by that, because
like I'm not, I'm just a guy.
Daniel (28:47):
Like I know.
Sinclair (28:48):
Exactly, I like to giggle, I like wine, I like to
hang out with my friends, like Ilike to sing, and so you've met
me now and you've encounteredthat I'm like a normal person,
not the boogeyman thateveryone's been telling you.
So what do you do with that now?
Daniel (29:01):
Yeah, and here's what I have to say about this.
I hope at one point all of thisjust fades away.
Yes, it all fades away, whichbrings us to your next song.
Yeah, so we're going to headover into the piano and hear a
little bit more of Sinclairsinging.
So this is your go-to audition,right, or one of them?
(29:26):
One of them?
Yeah, yeah, Anything thatyou've auditioned with that
you've booked because of this orlike it's a horrible project.
Actually no, Maybe later on youknow what, maybe?
Sinclair (29:37):
Yeah, you know my vocal coach so you know what,
you know what.
Daniel (29:43):
But I do.
I think this song is great,right?
Yeah, it's fun.
You'll know once you hear it.
He's not going to do the no,not today, but everything else
he's got Right.
Okay, let's try it out, let'ssee what happens.
Sinclair (29:54):
Okay, I was sliding down the mountain, I was burning
in the sun, I was crying withamazement at the view, I was
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capturing a moment.
But when all is said and done,well, it all fades away, but you
.
It all fades away.
It all fades away.
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It all fades away but you.
I have sailed across the oceans, past the seas and the farms on
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a never-ending quest forsomething new, and the only
thing that mattered were thefour days in your arms cause it
all fades away, but you it allfades away, it all fades away,
(31:28):
it all fades away, but you.
Daniel (31:39):
So when I started this, I was like no Sondheim, no Jason
Overbrown, Because I don't playpiano.
Vonda, I don't play piano, sodon't call me up please, ma'am.
But I was willing to do a JasonOverbrown for you today,
because I do love that song andI played it enough because I
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sing it as well.
Right, but Vonda, don't call meup, don't do it, cause I know
she said something like don'tlist that you can't do those she
didn't say that, yeah, she'slike hire a real accompanist.
Then I was like she didn't growl.
Well, I ain't got the budget tohire a real accompanist.
Vonda, you wanna come for free?
(32:22):
She ain't coming.
Nope, she ain't going to.
No wonderful Speaking of like.
I had a lot of mishaps on thepiano.
Let's talk about some mishapsmaybe that you've had.
I know that.
You know you may not have speltsomething correctly.
One time I did.
I did there.
(32:43):
Yeah, this good ol' show I'mcoming clean.
Sinclair (32:45):
I'm coming clean.
Okay, you'll read up.
Not the cuckoo.
Get in the rainbow.
During Spelling Bee, during mybig monologue, where Garrett is
frozen in space and it's justthe light spotlight on me.
I'm staring into Garrett'sbeautiful blue eyes, monologuing
, and I completely forget whatI'm supposed to talk about.
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There's not a thought in mybrain at all, but I have to get
out of this.
I know the monologue's aboutgood and evil kind of, and I did
used to work as a pastor awhile ago.
So I go like into a mini sermonabout it and then just I know
the last line and then just cutit off and we get out of it.
Okay, it's fine.
I was like whoop made it allright.
(33:27):
Nobody knew except for Garrettand everyone else in the Gap,
but it's fine.
And then I'm talking to ValerieSwinson after the show and she
said I loved your little sermontoday about good and evil.
It was really good tonightbecause she saw the show Every
night.
Daniel (33:41):
I was gonna say she saw that every night.
Sinclair (33:42):
She knew, she saw that every night.
For a while she called me out.
Come on, val, come on.
Daniel (33:48):
Why do I just imagine her at some point?
Amen, yeah, she was with me.
Sinclair (33:51):
She was like it was good, I said thank you, thank
you.
I just, I don't know, my brainit broke, I don't know what
happened.
Daniel (33:57):
I feel like I would have blacked out and 20 minutes
later I'm still talking.
Sinclair (34:00):
I was like nothing, not a thought in my brain.
Daniel (34:05):
I'm surprised that because I know Garrett.
Sinclair (34:09):
Yes.
Daniel (34:10):
I know he's a professional actor.
He sure is, but I'm surprisedhe didn't break out and laugh or
anything, because he was a truepretty girl.
Sinclair (34:16):
He just stared at my eyes.
He was like come on, come on.
Daniel (34:19):
Well, if he was probably like, yes, like feeling it with
you at the same time, oh my God, yeah, I know I'm horrible at
lines.
Sinclair (34:28):
I'm horrible Sometimes .
Daniel (34:30):
Like I need the book for at least a good six months.
Not six months, because if youwant me to memorize it, no,
anytime.
I audition, even audition songs, I cannot.
There's no space in here.
I don't know if it's all thealcohol.
Sinclair (34:52):
I call myself God's favorite goldfish.
Daniel (34:58):
I mean, I'm God's favorite whale.
Sinclair (35:04):
Now I have to laugh like this you did that.
Yeah, I did it.
You're fine, beluga.
Daniel (35:12):
Beluga from here on out.
No, for the life of me cannotremember, Just because there's
nothing there.
I can't explain it.
Oh, I tell you the samegoldfish.
Because of the line You'resaying, because of short memory.
Sinclair (35:26):
Yes, I'm with you now.
Now you're with me, I'm a dummy.
Daniel (35:30):
So I called myself a whale for no reason yeah, I was
like, well, that OK.
That's not me.
So, yeah, no, I think that.
Has there ever been a show oranything that you've seen that
was just like oh, am I reallyLike?
I've had moments before whereI'm like I'm sitting here
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watching a show about who was it?
It was like a brand new showwhere they're like doing
someone's life and I was like,am I really watching this right
now?
Am I really watching this showthat's about someone's life, or
like a show where you've liketaken yourself out of the moment
?
Sinclair (36:07):
Yes, like oh, this was I don't know.
This was years ago, man,probably eight or so years ago.
Some, some random group ofstudents were like we're putting
on a play in a warehouse off.
Riverfront.
Boulevard.
So they knew when I did and itwas like immersive, but it was
(36:33):
just, it was just bad.
It was just bad.
There was like they tried totalk about like heavy hitting
issues without any of thegravitas and it ended up just
being funny and I don't reallywant to giggle at like debating,
no, no, like birth control,that's not funny.
But I'm laughing because you'redoing a bad job and it felt
(36:55):
like the SNL skit of, like thehigh school students in the
Black Fox, yeah, yes, yes yes,yes, yes, that whole type of
vibe.
It was not, it was not not myfavorite.
Daniel (37:04):
I mean I.
It would not be my favoriteeither, so I understand where
you're coming from.
Sinclair (37:09):
I hope they had a good time.
Daniel (37:10):
There you go, there you go.
Have you ever thought aboutwhat is your regular day job?
What do you do on the regularLike?
What are your passions?
What would you do?
What passion besides theater?
Tell me the other side ofSinclair that gets you.
Sinclair (37:23):
Yeah, Um, before.
I mean I feel like I've lived amillion lives.
Most recently I worked inadvertising and work as a
strategist.
I really liked that, but I'mkind of shifting into trying to
do acting more full time and,with that, doing personal
training on the side.
So I love working out.
Daniel (37:39):
You look great, thank you, yeah, yeah.
Sinclair (37:41):
Yeah, I love working out.
It's really fun.
I like like moving and helpingpeople move if they want to get
strong, if you want to, whatever.
So that's coming soon.
I'm working on that.
Daniel (37:50):
Yeah, so you're going to do like a whole thing for it.
Sinclair (37:52):
Yes, Put it out there, yeah.
Daniel (37:54):
Yeah, you're like the champ for all the actors in the
area.
Everyone's going to you for.
Sinclair (38:00):
I hope so.
Come on, let's do it.
Daniel (38:01):
Yeah, no, that'd be great.
I think that.
No, like I said, I feel likeyou've bulked up even more since
the last time I've seen you sonice.
As far as other passions, wouldyou say that you have a dream
show that you've always wantedto do, whether you're, you know,
on stage, offstage or somewhere.
(38:23):
Another dream show?
Let's start with that.
Sinclair (38:26):
Yeah, I'm a couple for like straight stage stuff.
I would love to be a fellow oneday.
That sounds like so fun, I likewould you want to?
Daniel (38:35):
do the like PBS version where they're doing like the new
.
Have you seen those where it'slike the modern?
Yeah yes, but they still usethe old language.
I love that.
I Danielle Brooks, yo who areyou, Danielle Brooks?
Sinclair (38:50):
a revelation of the color purple.
Daniel (38:52):
Yes, can I tell you, I sobbed, so I think I made it 20
minutes into the movie and thenjust cried all the time through
the rest of it, like I often.
I think I was wailing whenNettie came back.
Sinclair (39:06):
Yes, absolutely.
My family was like are you OK?
I said no, she's back, she'salive but Danielle Brooks killed
.
Daniel (39:17):
I was I didn't expect it .
Honestly, I didn't.
I didn't really.
If she doesn't win somethingshe has to Like, don't get me
wrong.
Fantasia amazing.
Yes, everybody but but Danielle, the acting, yes, the which I
already knew, because I mean herand that.
What is it that she did?
As you like it.
Sinclair (39:36):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's what she did.
Daniel (39:39):
Phenomenal, like delivery.
Everything was just a command,like she knew what she was doing
.
Yeah, every single thing.
Yeah, yeah, I'd love to seelike Shakespeare in the park or
something.
Try to do one of those.
Take a modern, take onsomething.
I think that that's just sodifferent.
I mean even they're likebecause they would like had an
(40:01):
outdoor picnic and there's likea barbecue.
Yes, I love the way that theywere just like fully invested
into really making it modernusing the old language.
Yes, I think you, like you,would also do great at a regular
production.
Sinclair (40:13):
Well, sure, but like more fun, for me at least, to do
the modernized version, and Ilove like seeing customers get
to shine in that way too.
Like period pieces are superfun, obviously like so, so fun.
But I thought the costuming andas you like it was just like so
vibrant and like really broughtit to the modern era too.
So that's cool.
Daniel (40:29):
No, I heard that completely no, a fellow would be
great.
I mean, I can't tell you howmany times I've watched Sir Ian
McKellen or you know any of hisolder stuff.
Oh yeah, I just feel thinkingabout it.
Yeah, I was just watchingMonday.
I can't remember if it was afellow or what it was, but he's
like in a room full of mirrorsand like has this huge monologue
(40:50):
and just everything.
His delivery is just phenomenalas well and I think you have
that power behind your voicewhere it's just like you really.
That's why I thought for aminute maybe you would even do
education.
I was like you have thiscommand about.
Sinclair (41:05):
I did do that as well.
Yeah, I worked in preschooleducation for five years, in
special ed for one, oh wow.
Daniel (41:14):
Oh, wow, I like that.
Ok, so, a fellow, are there anyother shows or any other
characters you really seeyourself or want to put out into
the DFW area for you to?
Sinclair (41:24):
Yeah, I mean, if anyone wants to do a ragtime
again, I'd love to do that.
Daniel (41:29):
I'd love to go on.
I think that Ragtime on asmaller scale would also do it
really well.
Yes, like, don't get me wrong.
Lyric I love their largeproductions, I love it, and now
that they've moved to the moody,I think that it'll fit them.
Oh, yeah, but I'd love to see asmaller you know just a tighter
(41:52):
production of it here in thearea.
Sinclair (41:54):
I agree, I think people get scared.
But I think you're right, Ithink that could work.
Daniel (41:58):
so well, yeah, well, and it's just so.
That show in itself is justphenomenal.
It's written beautifully, yes,the way that it interweaves
historical events into it.
Speaking of so, I had neverseen the show before, but I
(42:19):
listened to a lot of Broadwaysongs, right, and so in college
I love Make them Hear you.
That song is just like it hitsme in my heartstrings and it
just hits all the right places.
And so I remember going to myvoice teacher and being like I
think for my senior recital I'mgoing to sing.
(42:40):
Make them Hear you.
That was almost her exactreaction, because Stupid Daniel
had not thought to read up onthe synopsis of the show or
anything at all.
Turns out it's a very, veryracially charged show.
Sinclair (43:04):
In case y'all didn't know yeah, Raktime is pretty
racially charged.
Daniel (43:09):
So it's kind of the basis of the whole show.
That song is like thepenultimate moment of like nah
right.
So she was like we're going topick another one.
Think I did Purpose.
Sinclair (43:28):
It's great.
We love Purpose and I was likeyeah yeah.
And I find my purpose.
Daniel (43:40):
So, but yeah, no.
But speaking of that song, likeI said, it's just beautiful.
I think it's perfect, and it'sactually one song that you're
going to perform for us todaywhich makes me very excited and
I can't wait to hear it.
So pumped to sing it, I mightcry.
(44:02):
That's okay, you were holdingme, yeah.
Sinclair (44:05):
I was like oh man.
Daniel (44:08):
This is one of my favorite songs, and when you had
this on your list, I think youhad it for everything too.
So it's obviously one of yourfavorites.
When I saw this show at Lyricand I mean I had already seen it
during the travel, right Duringthe tour, and I just remember
sobbing my eyes out and I meanLyric, beautiful I can't
(44:30):
remember his name, oh my gosh,I'll look it up in post, but
amazing, definitely a dream rolefor you.
Yes, absolutely Right.
Just a beautiful piece of music.
Great, I mean, let's not makesome weight any longer.
Sinclair (44:52):
Yeah, go out and tell our story.
Let it echo far and wide.
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you how justicewas our battle and how justice
was denied.
(45:12):
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you and say tothose who blame us for the way
we chose to fight that sometimesthere are battles that are more
than black or white, and Icould not put down my sword when
(45:34):
justice was my right.
Make them hear you.
Go out and tell our story toyour daughters and your sons.
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you and tellthem in our struggles we were
(45:59):
not the only ones.
Make them hear you.
Make them hear you.
Your sword can be a sermon orthe power of the pen.
Teach every child to raise hisvoice.
And then, my brothers, thenWill justice be demanded by ten
(46:23):
million righteous men.
Make them hear you.
When they hear you, I'll benear you Again.
Daniel (46:43):
As we just came off the most emotional song of my life.
Love how that's how we cameinto that.
Thanks a lot, sinclair Ruin themoment.
No, I want to thank you forjoining me on the show today for
episode number two.
You were definitely like I said.
I talked to Danny a little bitand I was like, hey, who should
I have on the show, who wouldreally bring something that I
(47:04):
can put out there?
And your name came up on bothsides, and so I'm just very
appreciative that you agreedbecause, believe me, at first,
when I was sliding into your DMs, oh my God.
Sinclair (47:15):
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to everyone.
Daniel (47:19):
So thank you for being here, thanks for really putting
it all out there and tellingyour story.
Tell your story.
See, I can sing it now, julia.
So thank you for that.
Guys, make sure you catch us onall social media.
I'm going to tell it right here, that way you can see me.
You can get us at Daniel doesDFW, and that's on Instagram, on
(47:43):
tick talk, here on YouTube,where you're watching it
currently, and then also we havea Facebook page, so make sure
you follow everything.
You like it all.
Sinclair's already done it,because I made sure of it before
we started the interview.
That's a requirement.
Yeah, that's what I thought, orno more?
Yeah, pull out your phone now.
So thanks again.
(48:04):
Make sure you watch thisepisode as many times as you can
, mom, so I can get more viewsagain and we'll catch you next
time.
Hang on to those tea cups.
Sinclair's stinky Stinkerbarely don't work.
Stinker, barely don't work.
(48:25):
Very good, very good.
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