November 14, 2024 • 48 mins
Bridgeport, CT | With a remarkable range of witnesses—police, firefighters, religious leaders, and neighbors—reporting impossible events, this might be one of the most convincing cases of poltergeist activity. We are breaking from our current season on Los Angeles and taking a trip to 1974 Bridgeport, Connecticut to tell the story of the Goodin family haunting on Lindley Street.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello Dark City fans.
This is Leah and this is April.
Usually we pick the stories wetell, but our story today picked
us.
This is the most convincingcase I have ever come across of
activity that just cannot beexplained by science as we know
it.
But if you're worried thisepisode is going to be too scary
(00:23):
, just know it is so much morethan a story about a poltergeist
.
We are breaking from ourcurrent season on Los Angeles
and taking a trip over to theEast Coast, to Bridgeport,
connecticut, hi folks.
So we wanted to get thisepisode out earlier.
This episode is probably goingto be brought to you by cough
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medicine.
That didn't work.
We're both in bad shape.
We got ahead on episodes andthen my house just got ripped
through with.
First the kids had walkingpneumonia for eight days, then I
got sick with a demon virus orcollection of viruses from hell.
(01:07):
I I don't know the last timeRome Walker again we can't blame
the Rome Walker for everything.
Maybe it's just it's asupernatural episode, so
possibly I don't know.
I don't know the last time Ihave been that sick.
So it's like two weeks andcounting and I'm finally
(01:27):
starting to feel like okay, butstill so tired.
So, yeah, I'm glad you'rebetter.
So quick note on schedule.
So we swear to God, we're gonnacatch up.
Um, we have been all over theplace as we've been getting our
groove for the past.
I don't know what is this sevenmonths, even though we've been
talking about it for much longerand then recording for a lot
(01:49):
longer, but here's where welanded.
Where we're landing, we're goingto go to every other Monday and
we're going to throw in a bonusepisode routinely.
Sometimes those might deviateaway from our May season, like
what we're going to do today,because there are just stories
that are too good to pass upthat we come across.
(02:10):
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there's like a cool story abouta town that we passed.
Then we meet people, like wehad that really cool interview
with Nicole Strickland on theQueen Mary.
We want to keep the qualityhigh and so, in order to do that
and to make sure that we do allthe research that you guys love
, with all of the details youlove, that every two weeks, I
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As I mentioned, we are going totake a little trip away from LA
to Bridgeport, connecticut.
And why are we doing that?
Well, a few weeks ago gosh,this feels like it was forever
ago.
Maybe it was really more like amonth ago, since like a month
of my life was taken away byillnesses, but I was hunting for
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a good spooky season book tocheck out on my Libby app I
don't know if it's universallycalled Libby, but I have Libby,
okay, yeah, so it's the app thatwhere you can check out.
Get your library card on thereand you can check out digital
copies of books and audio books.
It's fabulous, I love it.
It's a good trick.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Everybody, everybody yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You should know that and use it.
So when I was looking for myspooky season book, I was really
picky because I was like itneeds to be just right.
So if I get like 10 pages inand I'm not feeling it, I'm
returning it, and or if it's anaudio book, I am not listening
unless it just like grabs meLike I don't have a lot of time
and this needs to be good,especially since it was
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following up on the secrethistory.
So one of the books I somehowcame across was called the
World's Most Haunted House theTrue Story of the Bridgeport
Poltergeist on Lindley Street byWilliam J Hall.
I checked out this digital copywith all those other books and
ultimately, after I startedlooking at it, I was like this
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would be a really cool like darktown special episode.
But we just don't have time forit right now.
So I decided, okay, I'm goingto return this book back with
all the other books that didn'tmake the cut, but I'm going to
flag it, come back to it later.
Except, I tried returning thisthing.
I don't know how many times Itook screenshots.
(04:43):
I'll post them, but it wouldnot come off my digital shelf
Like it would like return, andthen I'd go back into the app
and it was back every singletime.
So finally I was just like okay, fine, all right, I will tell
your story, just please.
It was the weirdest.
It was the weirdest thing.
And again, like I checked outother books at the same time
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time, this one just needed to beread and the story needed to be
told, for whatever reason.
So here we are.
This is why we're going tobridgeport I like it.
Also, I have a really I have areally cool treat at the end
april.
I didn't tell you about.
Okay, it was this great find.
So you guys have to staythrough all the way to then Our
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story.
It's going to take us all theway back literally almost 50
years.
November 23rd 1974.
A married couple, jerry andLaura Gooden, are returning to
their home in Bridgeport,connecticut, after taking a day
trip to visit family with their10-year-old daughter Marsha.
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Marsha had fallen asleep in thecar on the ride home and they
decided when they got home we'lllet her sleep and along the way
they had picked up somegroceries.
We'll unpack the groceries, getthat settled and then get her
into the house.
So just keep this in mind whenall these events happen, she's
not in the house.
So just keep this in mind whenall these events happen, she's
not in the house, she's asleepin the car.
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Important to know.
When Jerry and Laura get intothe kitchen to put away their
groceries, crazy stuff startshappening.
Dishes are rising out of thesink and flying around the room
until they shatter into pieces.
Then the knives rise out of theknife block and fly across the
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kitchen.
So Jerry goes to look at theknife block and it literally
pulls itself off the wall,screws and all, and comes racing
towards him.
What?
And then the activity stops.
Jerry cleans the mess, lauraputs away the groceries.
My initial reaction, my missingpages, because this is the
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point where I would run outscreaming to the next planet
Right who, just like cleans itup afterwards.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I'd be like deuces.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I would love to see the original interviews or hear
if they're recorded.
Unfortunately, I don't haveaccess to them.
It's just as reported in thebook, but this is what they do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I have a question really fast, because these names
are all familiar and I don'tknow if it's just because I've,
like, briefly heard of this casebefore.
Is this a movie?
Is there a movie based off ofthis?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
After jerry cleans up the mess,the table lifts up off the
floor and rests on two kitchenchairs.
Then the fridge rises sixinches off the floor, rotates a
quarter before it lands backonto the ground and then the tv
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console by the sink tilts itselfscreenside down and slams down
on Laura's foot and smashes twoof her toes.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Ouch, those TVs were heavy back then I know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Jerry.
He cleans up the wound,bandages her, gets her settled
and they bring Marcia insideAgain.
I do not understand why they'renot packing their car and
leaving but this is what they dothey eat dinner, they settle in
for a show, and later Jerrygoes into the kitchen to make
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coffee and the table flips again.
So the family just decideswe'll go to bed early.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Are you being serious that this is the most
convincing story you've everheard?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Hang in, hang in, just hang on.
Sarcastic.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, go ahead.
I'm having a hard time herewrapping my head around this.
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
But yeah, I am serious.
Am serious, believe it or not,even though these following
details are going to soundbananas this is like, this is
like the entity on drugs, likeit is 10 levels higher.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Okay, go just wait just wait, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So before they can sleep, the tv in marsh's room
crashes onto her ankle.
Thank goodness she's okay.
They're all wide awake, so theygo into the living room.
They go in to settle in theliving room and watch a nice
World War movie, the Battle ofthe Bulge.
Marsha has to go to thebathroom at one point and chaos
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erupts.
The shower rod detaches, nearlyhits her.
Towels are flying off the racks, toiletries are coming out of
the cabinets, the lids are offor breaking.
Jerry cleans it up and theyfinally go to sleep at 3 am.
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This is the Goodens account astold in the William J Hall book,
the one I could not return.
The reactions are we've gotthis down, they're odd and we
would have been out there.
These events seem like they'retotally made up and the
reactions are like okay, whowould stay right?
But Laura and Jerry just don'tseem like the type to fabricate
a story like this.
They're definitely notattention-seeking.
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You're going to see that soon.
They had a lot to lose andyou'll hear they lost a lot.
So let's rewind and meet Jerryand Laura Gooden more formally.
Jerry Gooden is described as avery practical, independent,
down-to-earth person and,honestly, just from everything
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what I read.
He seems like a really goodperson, like Jerry Gooden
forever.
Here are a few examples when hewas a Boy Scout leader, he
convinced a local shop owner togive shoes to boys who were too
poor to buy them.
He was a really devout Catholicand he aspired to become a
priest one day.
However, the Great Depressionhad changed his plans.
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He ended up joining the AirForce.
He joined the Air Force.
After that he became amaintenance professional and
stuck with that career,basically 23 years and counting
up to the time where we'reseeing him in this awful
situation in 1974.
A quote from Dennis Lexa, whoknew Jerry well, quote in 1963,
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our home burnt down and he cameto the house with a box and put
it on the table clothes andthings he got from people.
My mother gave him a big hugfor that.
He was very compassionate andalways was doing a good deed for
a neighbor.
Jerry married Laura in 1960.
Laura grew up in an area thatit sounded like it was really
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isolated.
There was no children nearbyand she was Cherokee and
Bohemian by descent.
It sounds like also, inaddition to just the actual
isolation growing up, even asshe got older there was a lot of
prejudice she had to face.
She and Jerry are described asa really great match.
They get along really well, butas far as others, she didn't
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necessarily know how to bearound other people.
It wasn't easy for her to formrelationships and generally she
was known to be just a veryanxious person, although some of
that is understandable.
Laura and Jerry purchased a hometogether in Bridgeport,
connecticut, where they plannedto raise a family soon after
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they got married.
Bridgeport is so I didn't knowthis.
It's a fairly big city.
It is the fifth largest in NewEngland, has a population today
of about 150,000 people.
It's situated along the coast,port City, nicknamed Park City
because it has 35 public parks,which I feel like that should
just be a requirement.
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It has a strong manufacturinglegacy but in the 70s through
the 80s it lost a lot ofmanufacturing jobs and went
through a really toughtransition period.
The home the Goodens purchasedwas really more of like a small
bungalow, only 738 square feetwith three rooms, so they're
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living in a very modestneighborhood.
Before their daughter Marshacame into the picture, the
Goodens had another child, a sonthey named Jerry Jr.
He was born in 1961.
But Jerry was diagnosed veryearly with cerebral palsy and it
was a very sad case.
He couldn't feed himself orcrawl, or walk or talk.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh, that is sad.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I know.
So very tough for the parents,and also Laura's mother, I think
, had some health issues.
She moved in with them, so shewas a full-time caretaker for
her too, so they're really goingthrough it.
Jerry and Laura, though, areabsolutely dedicated to this
child.
They would have.
They would have worked with him, helped him however they could
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until the day he died, whichunfortunately was far too soon,
because when he was six yearsold he got really sick and he
did end up passing away.
And then, to make matters worse,the day after he died, laura
had to get a hysterectomybecause they found a tumor.
She ended up being okay.
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Oh dang, I know.
So when people say she'sanxious, they're going through a
lot, I mean this is Liketragedy after tragedy, exactly,
Exactly.
So this is, I think, just asmuch a sad story as it is a
really scary story or disturbing, or perplexing.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I think sometimes it's those tragedies that like
turn into the scary things Idon't know.
A lot of times I feel likethere's a sad story behind a
scary story.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
For sure.
Yes, and it could be anexplanation.
We'll get to it.
After Jerry Jr's passing.
After Jerry Jr's passing, Jerryand Laura still want a child,
so they decide to adopt.
They have 25 in all unsolicitedletters written in support of
them adopting another child, sothat just goes to show just how
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well loved and respected thatthey were.
So they end up adopting Marciain 1968.
So at that point she was onlyfour years old.
Marcia is originally fromCanada and she's also Native
American, but her ancestral tiesare Seneca, Laura's background
before coming to them.
As is often the case inadoption cases, also very sad.
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She was the youngest of ninekids.
Parents were not responsible,abusive.
She would get tied in a chairfor very long periods of time.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So she's coming to them with a lot of trauma.
That is heartbreaking, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It was clear.
But it was clear, though.
Jerry and Laura loved Marshavery, very much.
Unfortunately, though, giventhe history, they were
incredibly overprotective, to afault Laura in particular and
that made it really hard forMarcia to make friends as she
grew up.
So she's, notably, really goodat art, she's very smart, her
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relationship with Jerry isreally strong, but she's got
this hovering overbearing motherthat just wants her to be safe,
but it's like at what cost?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like helicopter.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yes, but to the upteenth degree.
Marsha was treated reallypoorly by her classmates and
just a few months before allthis poltergeist activity
started she was attacked by aclassmate.
She was so badly injured shehad to wear a soft back brace.
Jerry and Laura were so upsetthey decided to take her out of
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school and tutor at home.
So she's being homeschooled.
Back to the craziness.
That was Saturday, november23rd 1974.
This isn't the first timethere's been activity.
Soon after Laura and Jerryadopted Marsha they notice
things get moved around a lotLike pretty harmless, you know.
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Like think your book is on yournightstand and then it's on
your bed.
It's unsettling, but not anappliance, you know, crashing
down on your foot.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's not knives hurtling through the kitchen
towards you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Exactly.
Then they start to experience arhythmic pounding on the house
that Jerry would describe as atits worst.
It's like the house was gettingstoned.
This went on for a few yearsbefore Years yes.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
A few years before 1974.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Apparently it would start every November.
It would happen intermittentlyfor the next few months.
It could happen at all hours ofthe day, start out as tapping
and gradually get louder.
Police, fire were called out,but they never found anything to
explain it.
There didn't seem to beanything wrong with the
foundation no kids responsibleplaying a prank.
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The activity through time keepsescalating.
Laura sees a disembodied handon the window.
Ew Doors open by themselves,chairs move, curtains falling
down.
So following the Goodensharrowing Saturday evening of
poltergeist activity, things arenot much better.
Well, I cannot understand whyin the world they would not have
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vacated their house immediatelyafter Bright Plate started
rising into the air.
I cannot explain any of thefollowing.
There is a broad cross-sectionof people that witness things
that are just not of this world.
It's more believable it's apoltergeist than all of these
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people collaborating andconspiring to fake a haunting.
That's my impression.
There's a lot of crazy stuffhappening in the days that
follow Tables flipping, ofcourse this is like obligatory
religious objects coming off thewalls, crucifix shatters.
The fridge keeps going crazy.
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At one point they see anoutline of bodies that
eventually separate into fourentities and one of them throws
Marsha across the room.
Also, their cat had got it tothe vet for an operation and
afterward it was said it couldbe heard uttering words in three
distinct voices.
When it was in the basementthey could hear this it would
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sing like a sailor.
It would yell at the basementdoor racial slurs, what I know.
That is just so random.
Jerry never actually saw thecat talk, but this is what was
reported from the family um, howdoes he know it was the cat
then?
I know I mean could be.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is like the, I don't know.
This needs to be a special onmy cat from hell.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Have you seen that TV show?
I'm guessing it's not the cat.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
My cat from hell, special edition.
Okay, go ahead.
My cat cusses like a sailor.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Sorry, how does one handle that?
And this last week of Novemberof hell, police are called,
fires called.
They call an engineer who seesa 450 pound refrigerator move
across the room.
They call priests.
City officials clear people outbecause it's a hazard.
It's like you have to sign awaiver just to get into this
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house.
I'm going to give you fromWilliam Hall's book, a few of
the firsthand accounts thoughHall's book, a few of the
firsthand accounts thoughpatrolman John Holsworth.
He is a friend of the Goodens,he and his wife.
They leave their baby with them, they spend time socially with
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them, so they really trust them.
They don't think it's making upNow.
When John goes over to thehouse on November 24th at 9 am,
he observes furniture moving orbeing thrown about and he
further states that he'd beencalled to the house on numerous
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occasions for the banging thathad happened before and he never
could figure it out.
One of the officers, josephTomek, who was called out to the
house in his report to hiscaptain he notes, while
conducting the initialinvestigation himself, carl
Leonsi, george Wilson and LeroyWalson so we've got four people
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writing to their captainobserved one or more of the
following happening therefrigerator rises approximately
six inches off the floor.
A 21-inch portable TV set inthe living room rises off the
table and turns around.
This poltergeist loves the TV.
Furniture moves away from thewall and falls over.
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Objects on shelves and hangingfrom the wall start vibrating
and fall to the floor.
At no time or any of thevibrations are shifting.
At no time or any vibrationsare shifting of the house felt.
Also observed was a loungechair where Marsha was sitting
that moved rapidly backwards andoverturned, and when the
officers on the scene tried tomove the chair and replicate,
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they couldn't.
It was too difficult.
Another patrolman named GeorgeF Wilson Jr said quote I saw a
large TV slowly make a 90 degreeturn away.
I'm like maybe he just wantedto watch TV or something.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm like what show was on every time the TV moved,
like what were the top shows of1974?
.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's like look, there's not streaming.
Okay, you know, I gotta seewhat I gotta see when it's
playing.
So he continued quoting GeorgeF Wilson Jr.
A bureau bounced on the floor.
A couple of times a crucifixnailed to the wall vibrated and
pulled itself off.
A picture on the wall fell andnearly struck his partner,
patrolman Leroy Lawson.
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Three different recliningchairs bounced around changing
position in the room.
A large clock I'm laughingabout the TV.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Wait, I pulled up the top TV shows of 1974.
What do you think it was?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
trying to watch, I don't know.
Do you have any guesses forwhat?
The top TV shows of 1974.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
What do you think it was trying to watch?
I don't know.
Do you have any guesses forwhat?
The top TV shows of 1974?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
No idea.
Was Charlie's Angels on?
No, is that when Dallas was on?
It's not one of them.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Dallas was in the 80s .
Is that what you said, dallas?
Yeah, oh, oops, it was in the80s.
Is that what you said, dallas?
Yeah, oh, oops, it was in the80s.
So this was my one guess andit's on here.
I'm really surprised.
Good Times, happy Days, littleHouse on the Prairie were the
first three that popped up.
Also, Rockford Files, land ofthe Lost the Muppet Show show
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look I bet it was little houseon the prairie did they like
laura?
What's her name?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
laura ingalls, yeah I remember reading all those
books, or did they not?
Like her?
I wouldn't tear apart a houseover that show, but you do you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I did like the books when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, I do too.
Well, now here's a quote tofrom deputy.
Here's a quote from deputy firechief.
I think you pronounce itZwirline.
He called a priest named FatherDoyle, the fire firehouse
chaplain, and he asked him if hecould come by to help the
family.
He said quote I'm not drunk,but this is what is happening
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here, father fireman, a firemanby the name of Paul McKenna.
He had returned after seeing alot of crazy things happening
with his substance.
They witnessed the TV floatingand falling and other things
fall Like.
This is starting to feel like acircus, right.
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So, and it is because throughit all the press starts covering
this.
It's all over the news.
There's a crowd of a fewthousand people outside of the
house.
Some people literally startselling soda and snacks at a
huge markup, which is so messedup, oh my gosh, and it's no
wonder that the press getsalerted early to what's
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happening.
It's not by the good ends.
They do not want this attention.
It is so crystal clear.
But Ed and Lorraine Warren,however, have entered the scene
and this is the first well-knowncase that they have some
involvement in Are you familiarwith Ed and Lorraine?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes, okay, because I think the movie Insidious is
like loosely based on one oftheir cases or something right.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I don't know if it's Insidious, but they have been
involved with a lot ofcontroversy in a lot of cases
and their cases have been atleast the basis of a couple of
the Conjuring universe AHaunting in Connecticut yes,
among Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, yes, okay, among others, maybe I got my movies
mixed up Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yes, I watched the Conjuring and after that I was
like peace out, I'm done.
That is not how things happenin real life.
They are Sure, they say looselybased.
Still I'm like I don't care,I'm good, I'm going to go read
about a serial killer instead,something that actually will
happen.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I'm going to go watch an episode of Dateline.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Exactly, exactly, a mutual contact a woman named
Mary Pasquarella who is aself-proclaimed psychic.
She contacted Ed and Lorraine.
She told them about what'shappening in the Goodens' house.
Ed Warren so here's what he wasin real life he was a former
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police officer, a self-describeddemonologist, and Lorraine
claimed to be a psychic whocould communicate with spirits.
Demonologist and Lorraineclaimed to be a psychic who
could communicate with spirits.
They show up with a priest,father Bill Charbonneau, from St
John's of the Cross Rectory,and a student at one of the
seminaries close by a man namedPaul F Eno.
One of the first things they dowhen they show up is a very
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logical thing they make severalcalls to the news media, tv
stations, which is so like.
This family is in trauma.
They do this time and time incases where they claim we don't
know what to do, the Catholicchurch won't help us.
So you know, we'll just try toget the word out.
So somebody comes over.
I don't know about that.
(28:02):
I don't want to get toosidetracked.
We'll talk about them at theend, because there's a lot more
to be said about them, butsuffice to say like this is not
how a professional whatever youcall them would handle it.
Because the Goodens absolutelydo not want this.
When they find out, they are soangry they have them leave and
they are just like wash my handsof them.
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Here's a complication, thoughthat happens.
A few other officers come bynone of the ones that I've
mentioned so far and they notice, and Marsha slyly inches up to
the TV and pushes it so it hitsJerry's leg.
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So they walk aside and they'relike I think we know who the
demon is, and it's Marsha.
They talk to the good ends,ultimately.
They talk to Marsha and sheconfesses yes, she staged some
of this.
I don't know what to make ofthis, because how do you stage a
(29:12):
floating refrigerator as a10-year-old girl and like when
you have that many people?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I don't know.
David Blaine could do it.
Who is that?
Should I know who that is?
He's a magician.
David Blaine could do it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
that.
Should I know who that is, he'sa magician.
Okay, but she's 10.
I don't know, maybe she'sbrilliant.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I don't know she is smart.
I mean, they all say she's verysmart, but I don't know.
When you have that manydifferent people across, I think
it's too coincidental.
We'll talk about themethodology, though.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
In a sec I'd be really pissed if my kid kept
knocking over TVs Sorry, they'reheavy, they're expensive Like
come on, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Sorry, so clearly.
There goes my little house inthe prairie theory.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Now you don't get to watch any episodes of the
Muppets.
Way to go.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I know it's strange.
I think this little girl isjust has been through so much.
I think she finally saw she wasgetting some attention that was
one of the theories and so sheclaimed responsibility, or she
took responsibility for some ofit, like maybe, when the
activity kind of died down alittle, she would help, you know
(30:29):
, kick it up, like stir thingsup, yeah, which I could see.
I mean, I definitely can seethat the police superintendent,
a man named Joseph Walsh, hegets involved and ultimately he
says, okay, guys, it's a hoax.
Okay, you know, hands washed,we're, we're done.
They recommend Marv should gosee a doctor for psychiatric
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treatment, which she probablyjust needs anyway, she probably,
yeah, needed some therapy forall her childhood trauma.
Exactly Now all these accounts,though they were included in
William Hall's book, the onethat I could not return, the
digital copy of after tryingmultiple times.
William was born and raised inBridgeport and he was 10 when
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all of these events happened andhe remembers them.
He is a magician.
So my first thought was can heget us into the magic castle in
LA?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Second, can you recreate all of these things
from the book?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah.
So he wrote a syndicated 1990scolumn called Magic in the
Unknown, which ran for six yearsin multiple local papers in his
home state.
He would debunk what he thoughtwas a hoax and then try to
explain what you know, try toexplain the unexplained.
William Hall got all of hisdocumentation.
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So interviews, videotapes froma man named Boyce Beatty.
Boyce Beatty worked for anorganization called the American
Society for Psychical Researchand he was the lead investigator
on a study that was performedin December and into, I think,
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early January, after this crazyweek in November, to try to
figure out and document whathappened.
The quotes are direct from that.
So here's also the thing.
So William Hall, he still, Ithink even until this day.
He wrote this book years ago.
But he gives a lot of talks inthe local community.
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I saw he gave one at thelibrary.
So honestly, I don't think wealways have to question the
credibility, right, but I justdon't think, given the extensive
documentation, I wish he wouldrelease all of it.
He did some of it in the book,but I'm sure there's
confidentiality issues, but justgiven that.
(32:57):
But it would be really bold togo out into the community and
basically make stuff up.
He's pretty out there.
And then I read reviews of thebooks and I read Reddit threads,
just seeing and, granted, thisisn't entirely scientific, it's
not scientific, but I didn't seeanything where people were like
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that's BS, I knew so and so.
But I didn't see anything wherepeople were like that's BS, I
knew so-and-so.
But I did see comments thatwere like I knew this police
officer or I believe that thishappened or I heard about it,
but nothing that was like thiswhole thing is just made up.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, interesting.
I mean it's kind of like yousaid that I don't know is it
true or are all of these peoplein on it?
I don't know.
It's still kind of likefantastical.
So it's hard to like.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Right, I think it would be crazy for that many
people to be in on it.
But then it's also crazy to saylike these things defy gravity,
because also too, like thepolice report from Officer Tomet
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he signed that with anotherofficer and referenced several
more.
This is documentation that'sgoing in, so they're putting
their reputations on the line.
After reading the book andlooking that extensively at it,
I thought I think she did someof it.
I think some of it is probablydramatized or made up or maybe
lost in translation, but I kindof think there's a lot there.
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Now, one thing that Boyce Beatty, who did the investigation, one
thing he noticed, noticed likehe did actual measurements, like
they actually had a log of withmarcia in the house, like
remember at the beginning, whenall that crazy stuff happened in
the kitchen and I said,remember, she's not in the house
, she's in the car and she'sasleep.
So he had documented when shewas in the room, when she wasn't
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in the room, her like exactproximity.
One thing that was speculatedtoo was that there seemed to be,
well, there is tension betweenthe mom and the daughter because
laura is just so overprotective, yeah, of her.
So there's speculation of is itlike flint and stone between
the two, like, given how closethey were to some of these
(35:20):
events, that they sparkedobjects in the physical world to
move.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I mean, we kind of talked about this a little bit
when we talked about our othercase that had, you know,
potential poltergeist activitythat a theory is that it comes
from the energy, comes from thepeople, and it's usually
somebody that's like emotionallyvulnerable or going through
something or, I guess,potentially somebody that has
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trauma and unresolved thingswithin them that produces this
energy.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's just so interesting.
It's just so interesting whywith some people and not with
others, like what is specialabout that circumstance?
One of the theories put outthere was there's a multiverse
and geotechnical factors in thisspecific area and the soil
conducts electromagnetic fields,and I I read that and I was
like I do not have the knowledgenor the intellect I mean, I
(36:19):
guess anything's possible, but Iit.
I just have to say, though,after reading all of it and the
stupid book not returning, I waslike there's something.
There's something here.
Maybe we have a listener outthere that's going to go do a
documentary.
I would love to, because theyhave.
They have all thatdocumentation in the interviews
that were conducted way back.
(36:39):
That I think you could take acloser look, but it's.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So you weren't being sarcastic in the beginning when
you said this was like the mostconvincing story that you've
heard.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, yeah, well, what do you think after hearing
all of it?
It's hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I mean, I didn't read the book, but I'm
highly skeptical.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm like was there nothing else that they could
have done to, like, modify thehouse or to Well, one of the
questions is always are theymaking it up because they want
book rights or a movie?
I mean, that's totally.
I think that's totally fair.
But here's why I don't thinkthat the Goodens really, really
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did not want the attention.
They hired an attorney by thename of Victor Ferrante, who
they wanted him to handle thepublicity and, frankly, to do
some damage control, becausethey didn't want their daughter
smeared all over the press.
They just wanted to be leftalone.
This attorney told them do notgive an interview without
getting paid.
They said, no, we don't want toget paid, which honestly at
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that point would beunderstandable.
Think about how much stuff intheir house has been damaged.
They're living in a small house.
It's not like they're rich.
So I could even say, even forlike just sheer practical
motivations.
You could see that.
But they never did that.
They only ended up doing oneinterview.
It was for free and that's it,and after that they wouldn't
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talk to anyone about it.
They just truly wanted to beleft alone.
It, they just truly wanted tobe left alone.
Also, they lost a lot from this.
So one thing we know that'sreal is really awful people.
A couple of people tried to setfire to the house.
Jerry was teased mercilessly atwork.
The house was egged.
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Their tires were slashed.
People would chip off paintfrom.
They had swans on their frontporch that people observed
moving.
They'd chip off the paint assouvenirs.
Yeah, so I mean, there's alwaysa lot to lose For very like
private and practical people.
It just it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I guess that's the 1974 equivalent of like an
internet troll.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Right, I know, at least on the internet, like your
stuff doesn't get damaged,right.
But on january 10th 1975 thegoodens put up their house for
sale.
It would never sell jerry um.
He dies at 70 of natural causes, but 10 years before that Laura
would die in a fatal car crash.
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Jerry and Laura, they kept intouch with Boyce Beatty, the
lead investigator that came inafter the main events happened.
They kept in touch with him andthey told him.
When Marsha was 18, she decidedthey weren't good enough as
parents.
She cut them off completely andshe decided to find her real
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parents.
According to the Mansfield NewsJournal, she dealt with
multiple sclerosis and epilepsyover the years and she
ultimately died of naturalcauses at the age of 51, which
is really really young.
A family member did not want totake her ashes, considering the
history of what happened at thathouse.
(40:13):
So this is not.
This does not end up.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's terrible for all of them.
Nobody can see my face exceptyou.
I keep like.
My jaw keeps dropping.
They were stuck in that houseforever.
Nobody would buy it, Right?
Yep?
What happened after they died?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Someone else eventually bought it.
I don't know details.
The only winners from thismight be the Warrens.
Although debatable.
Let's talk about them for asecond, just because this was so
interesting.
I had a dig when I read thatthey started calling the press
right away.
I was like that is so messed up.
It turns out too, those calls tothe press.
Ed Warren had the nerve to callCollect, and so the attorney
(40:59):
that they hired sent him a billfor the Collect calls, which I
was like awesome.
There are so many sketchythings about them, the podcast
Morbid, which you know I'mabsolutely obsessed with and why
we're here today.
They cover a lot of the casesthat they ultimately got
involved in that were much morepublicized later.
I'm not going to go into all ofthem, but some of the names
that might sound familiar theSnedeker haunting, the Smurl
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haunting.
The Arne Johnson murder case,which there was just a Netflix
series called the Devil Made MeDo it.
Based off of that, the Warrenstried to argue that Arnie
Johnson committed a murderbecause he was possessed by the
devil, the demonic possession.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I saw that when it came out, but I didn't ever
watch it.
I didn't either.
Like the teaser trailer thing.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I just thought demonic possession defense, that
is just.
I do not believe it.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
They were also involved with the Amityville
horror stuff.
Right they were.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
And Morbid did an episode on it and it sounds like
a lot of it was a hoax too.
I'll link it because it's justtoo much to get into.
But I think they were honestlyinvolved for Amityville for like
a day.
The Warrens love themselvessome PR for sure.
They're always calling thepress.
And here's some other sketchythings I just have to share that
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I found about them.
So there were cases where theysaid, oh, we called the Catholic
church for help and they saidwe won't give you an exorcism or
we won't help with that.
And then the church would say,yeah, they never talked to us,
we were never involved in that.
So sketchiness there.
In one of the cases I believe itwas the Spurl case they said Ed
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Warren said he had tapes of thepoltergeist activity but the
demon burned a hole through them, but then he wouldn't actually
produce the tapes with the hole.
So they would claim over andover again to have video and
photographic evidence and thenthey would just never produce it
.
And this is incrediblytroubling too.
(43:03):
And this is incrediblytroubling to a woman by the name
of Judith Penny, who wasdescribed as Ed's assistant,
came forward and said Ed hadmoved her into the house that he
and Lorraine lived with whenshe was 15.
And they had a full blownaffair.
Lorraine was consenting.
Lorraine was also awful to herduring this time.
(43:26):
It lasted until just a fewyears before Ed died in 2006.
Oh my gosh, how old was he whenhe died.
Okay, lorraine lived for quite abit longer, but that's not sure
where it happened because thereisn't a ton on it, but just
enough.
So Yikes, yes, very sketchy.
(43:47):
And then I found this.
At the end, I started laughingout loud Alongside Catholic
bishops and retired policeofficers, ed and Lorraine Warren
claimed that they exercised theangry spirit of a werewolf from
a man named Bill Ramsey, whowould reportedly turn into a
wolf man.
Previously, ramsey had beenarrested for accosting officers.
(44:11):
We both got our head in ourhands right now, laughing.
Previously, ramsey had beenarrested for accosting officers,
which he attributed to awerewolf demon overtaking him.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Did he actually eat bath salts or something
beforehand?
I think that's more logical, tobe honest, Was that the fun
treat that you had for me at theend?
Speaker 1 (44:42):
It's not the fun treat.
It's not, oh my gosh, no, no.
So the fun treat is it's not,oh my gosh, no, no.
So the fun treat is Idiscovered.
So it turns out there is an AIsong generator by the name of
Suno and you can write in like aquick summary of the song you
want it to create.
So I wrote in a summary of ourepisode today and it made a song
(45:05):
, and it's actually not half bad, oh my gosh.
So I'll play it for all of youat the end.
I'm so excited so more scarythan this is um ai is gonna take
over.
Oh, the matrix is gonna happen.
(45:26):
Take over.
Oh, the matrix is going tohappen.
Hopefully not until next week.
Next week we are going to covera really gritty, gritty, gritty
case.
This is a rough one.
We're going to go back to LosAngeles and we are going to
cover the most infamous andunsolved personally, I think
it's solved case in Los Angeles,if not probably ever, and I
(45:51):
think solved by the son of theman who ultimately probably
committed the crime.
In the meantime, stay away fromthe dark side, because if you
don't, you'll make collect callswhen a family's in crisis,
either because there's apoltergeist or because things
are going crazy.
Either way, I know that'sreally unprofessional.
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Bye.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Bye, police knocking out, yet they can't seem to find
it.
All Neighbors whisper secretsabout the place.
Fire trucks in the yard,shining lights on the space.
Adopted a daughter.
She was sent to be their light.
Overprotective hearts try toshield her from the night.
(46:44):
But the last baby gone left achill in the air.
Cold winds blowing through thehalls of despair.
Adopted a daughter she was sentto be their light.
Overprotective hearts try toshield her from the night.
(47:05):
But the last baby gone left achill in the air.
Cold winds blowing through thehalls of despair.
Holes of ice left her echoes inthe walls.
Burniture dancing down thehaunted halls, frantic voices
crying out in the mist and adoubt to the law of tangles.
In a phantom twist, spectralfigures take a walk in the gloom
(47:30):
.
The law of time woven in aphantom twist.
Spectral figures take a walk inthe gloom, phantom footsteps
thumping heavy in the room.
Every night they lay awake indread, fearing what was left
unsaid.
Before they go to bed, an eerieforce pulling at the seams,
lost within the family'sforgotten dreams, trying to
(47:51):
protect the life they saved,while the spirit of the past
digs up what they craved.
But luck has a way of weavingthrough the dark, casting light
on the shadows, leaving a markWith every whispered tale from
ages old.
They face down the spirits witha heart bold Holes of dice,
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laughter echoes in the walls,furniture dancing down the
haunted halls, frantic voicescrying out in the mist, and a
thought to love tangled in aphantom twist.
Hello Dark City fans.
This is Leah and this is April.
Usually we pick the stories wetell, but our story today picked
us.
This is the most convincingcase I have ever come across of
activity that just cannot beexplained by science as we know
it.
But if you're worried thisepisode is going to be too scary
(00:23):
, just know it is so much morethan a story about a poltergeist
.
We are breaking from ourcurrent season on Los Angeles
and taking a trip over to theEast Coast, to Bridgeport,
connecticut, hi folks.
So we wanted to get thisepisode out earlier.
This episode is probably goingto be brought to you by cough
(00:46):
medicine.
That didn't work.
We're both in bad shape.
We got ahead on episodes andthen my house just got ripped
through with.
First the kids had walkingpneumonia for eight days, then I
got sick with a demon virus orcollection of viruses from hell.
(01:07):
I I don't know the last timeRome Walker again we can't blame
the Rome Walker for everything.
Maybe it's just it's asupernatural episode, so
possibly I don't know.
I don't know the last time Ihave been that sick.
So it's like two weeks andcounting and I'm finally
(01:27):
starting to feel like okay, butstill so tired.
So, yeah, I'm glad you'rebetter.
So quick note on schedule.
So we swear to God, we're gonnacatch up.
Um, we have been all over theplace as we've been getting our
groove for the past.
I don't know what is this sevenmonths, even though we've been
talking about it for much longerand then recording for a lot
(01:49):
longer, but here's where welanded.
Where we're landing, we're goingto go to every other Monday and
we're going to throw in a bonusepisode routinely.
Sometimes those might deviateaway from our May season, like
what we're going to do today,because there are just stories
that are too good to pass upthat we come across.
(02:10):
Or like you go on a road tripor I go on a road trip and
there's like a cool story abouta town that we passed.
Then we meet people, like wehad that really cool interview
with Nicole Strickland on theQueen Mary.
We want to keep the qualityhigh and so, in order to do that
and to make sure that we do allthe research that you guys love
, with all of the details youlove, that every two weeks, I
(02:31):
think, at a minimum, will begood and eventually we will
start a Patreon.
So if you want to know when theepisodes do drop officially,
like those bonus episodes we'llthrow in, just make sure that
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(02:53):
facebook Threads and TikTok.
As I mentioned, we are going totake a little trip away from LA
to Bridgeport, connecticut.
And why are we doing that?
Well, a few weeks ago gosh,this feels like it was forever
ago.
Maybe it was really more like amonth ago, since like a month
of my life was taken away byillnesses, but I was hunting for
(03:17):
a good spooky season book tocheck out on my Libby app I
don't know if it's universallycalled Libby, but I have Libby,
okay, yeah, so it's the app thatwhere you can check out.
Get your library card on thereand you can check out digital
copies of books and audio books.
It's fabulous, I love it.
It's a good trick.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Everybody, everybody yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You should know that and use it.
So when I was looking for myspooky season book, I was really
picky because I was like itneeds to be just right.
So if I get like 10 pages inand I'm not feeling it, I'm
returning it, and or if it's anaudio book, I am not listening
unless it just like grabs meLike I don't have a lot of time
and this needs to be good,especially since it was
(04:00):
following up on the secrethistory.
So one of the books I somehowcame across was called the
World's Most Haunted House theTrue Story of the Bridgeport
Poltergeist on Lindley Street byWilliam J Hall.
I checked out this digital copywith all those other books and
ultimately, after I startedlooking at it, I was like this
(04:22):
would be a really cool like darktown special episode.
But we just don't have time forit right now.
So I decided, okay, I'm goingto return this book back with
all the other books that didn'tmake the cut, but I'm going to
flag it, come back to it later.
Except, I tried returning thisthing.
I don't know how many times Itook screenshots.
(04:43):
I'll post them, but it wouldnot come off my digital shelf
Like it would like return, andthen I'd go back into the app
and it was back every singletime.
So finally I was just like okay, fine, all right, I will tell
your story, just please.
It was the weirdest.
It was the weirdest thing.
And again, like I checked outother books at the same time
(05:04):
time, this one just needed to beread and the story needed to be
told, for whatever reason.
So here we are.
This is why we're going tobridgeport I like it.
Also, I have a really I have areally cool treat at the end
april.
I didn't tell you about.
Okay, it was this great find.
So you guys have to staythrough all the way to then Our
(05:26):
story.
It's going to take us all theway back literally almost 50
years.
November 23rd 1974.
A married couple, jerry andLaura Gooden, are returning to
their home in Bridgeport,connecticut, after taking a day
trip to visit family with their10-year-old daughter Marsha.
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Marsha had fallen asleep in thecar on the ride home and they
decided when they got home we'lllet her sleep and along the way
they had picked up somegroceries.
We'll unpack the groceries, getthat settled and then get her
into the house.
So just keep this in mind whenall these events happen, she's
not in the house.
So just keep this in mind whenall these events happen, she's
not in the house, she's asleepin the car.
(06:07):
Important to know.
When Jerry and Laura get intothe kitchen to put away their
groceries, crazy stuff startshappening.
Dishes are rising out of thesink and flying around the room
until they shatter into pieces.
Then the knives rise out of theknife block and fly across the
(06:30):
kitchen.
So Jerry goes to look at theknife block and it literally
pulls itself off the wall,screws and all, and comes racing
towards him.
What?
And then the activity stops.
Jerry cleans the mess, lauraputs away the groceries.
My initial reaction, my missingpages, because this is the
(06:52):
point where I would run outscreaming to the next planet
Right who, just like cleans itup afterwards.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I'd be like deuces.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I would love to see the original interviews or hear
if they're recorded.
Unfortunately, I don't haveaccess to them.
It's just as reported in thebook, but this is what they do.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I have a question really fast, because these names
are all familiar and I don'tknow if it's just because I've,
like, briefly heard of this casebefore.
Is this a movie?
Is there a movie based off ofthis?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
After jerry cleans up the mess,the table lifts up off the
floor and rests on two kitchenchairs.
Then the fridge rises sixinches off the floor, rotates a
quarter before it lands backonto the ground and then the tv
(07:43):
console by the sink tilts itselfscreenside down and slams down
on Laura's foot and smashes twoof her toes.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Ouch, those TVs were heavy back then I know.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Jerry.
He cleans up the wound,bandages her, gets her settled
and they bring Marcia insideAgain.
I do not understand why they'renot packing their car and
leaving but this is what they dothey eat dinner, they settle in
for a show, and later Jerrygoes into the kitchen to make
(08:18):
coffee and the table flips again.
So the family just decideswe'll go to bed early.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Are you being serious that this is the most
convincing story you've everheard?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Hang in, hang in, just hang on.
Sarcastic.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Okay, go ahead.
I'm having a hard time herewrapping my head around this.
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
But yeah, I am serious.
Am serious, believe it or not,even though these following
details are going to soundbananas this is like, this is
like the entity on drugs, likeit is 10 levels higher.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Okay, go just wait just wait, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
So before they can sleep, the tv in marsh's room
crashes onto her ankle.
Thank goodness she's okay.
They're all wide awake, so theygo into the living room.
They go in to settle in theliving room and watch a nice
World War movie, the Battle ofthe Bulge.
Marsha has to go to thebathroom at one point and chaos
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erupts.
The shower rod detaches, nearlyhits her.
Towels are flying off the racks, toiletries are coming out of
the cabinets, the lids are offor breaking.
Jerry cleans it up and theyfinally go to sleep at 3 am.
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This is the Goodens account astold in the William J Hall book,
the one I could not return.
The reactions are we've gotthis down, they're odd and we
would have been out there.
These events seem like they'retotally made up and the
reactions are like okay, whowould stay right?
But Laura and Jerry just don'tseem like the type to fabricate
a story like this.
They're definitely notattention-seeking.
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You're going to see that soon.
They had a lot to lose andyou'll hear they lost a lot.
So let's rewind and meet Jerryand Laura Gooden more formally.
Jerry Gooden is described as avery practical, independent,
down-to-earth person and,honestly, just from everything
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what I read.
He seems like a really goodperson, like Jerry Gooden
forever.
Here are a few examples when hewas a Boy Scout leader, he
convinced a local shop owner togive shoes to boys who were too
poor to buy them.
He was a really devout Catholicand he aspired to become a
priest one day.
However, the Great Depressionhad changed his plans.
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He ended up joining the AirForce.
He joined the Air Force.
After that he became amaintenance professional and
stuck with that career,basically 23 years and counting
up to the time where we'reseeing him in this awful
situation in 1974.
A quote from Dennis Lexa, whoknew Jerry well, quote in 1963,
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our home burnt down and he cameto the house with a box and put
it on the table clothes andthings he got from people.
My mother gave him a big hugfor that.
He was very compassionate andalways was doing a good deed for
a neighbor.
Jerry married Laura in 1960.
Laura grew up in an area thatit sounded like it was really
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isolated.
There was no children nearbyand she was Cherokee and
Bohemian by descent.
It sounds like also, inaddition to just the actual
isolation growing up, even asshe got older there was a lot of
prejudice she had to face.
She and Jerry are described asa really great match.
They get along really well, butas far as others, she didn't
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necessarily know how to bearound other people.
It wasn't easy for her to formrelationships and generally she
was known to be just a veryanxious person, although some of
that is understandable.
Laura and Jerry purchased a hometogether in Bridgeport,
connecticut, where they plannedto raise a family soon after
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they got married.
Bridgeport is so I didn't knowthis.
It's a fairly big city.
It is the fifth largest in NewEngland, has a population today
of about 150,000 people.
It's situated along the coast,port City, nicknamed Park City
because it has 35 public parks,which I feel like that should
just be a requirement.
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It has a strong manufacturinglegacy but in the 70s through
the 80s it lost a lot ofmanufacturing jobs and went
through a really toughtransition period.
The home the Goodens purchasedwas really more of like a small
bungalow, only 738 square feetwith three rooms, so they're
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living in a very modestneighborhood.
Before their daughter Marshacame into the picture, the
Goodens had another child, a sonthey named Jerry Jr.
He was born in 1961.
But Jerry was diagnosed veryearly with cerebral palsy and it
was a very sad case.
He couldn't feed himself orcrawl, or walk or talk.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Oh, that is sad.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I know.
So very tough for the parents,and also Laura's mother, I think
, had some health issues.
She moved in with them, so shewas a full-time caretaker for
her too, so they're really goingthrough it.
Jerry and Laura, though, areabsolutely dedicated to this
child.
They would have.
They would have worked with him, helped him however they could
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until the day he died, whichunfortunately was far too soon,
because when he was six yearsold he got really sick and he
did end up passing away.
And then, to make matters worse,the day after he died, laura
had to get a hysterectomybecause they found a tumor.
She ended up being okay.
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Oh dang, I know.
So when people say she'sanxious, they're going through a
lot, I mean this is Liketragedy after tragedy, exactly,
Exactly.
So this is, I think, just asmuch a sad story as it is a
really scary story or disturbing, or perplexing.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I think sometimes it's those tragedies that like
turn into the scary things Idon't know.
A lot of times I feel likethere's a sad story behind a
scary story.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
For sure.
Yes, and it could be anexplanation.
We'll get to it.
After Jerry Jr's passing.
After Jerry Jr's passing, Jerryand Laura still want a child,
so they decide to adopt.
They have 25 in all unsolicitedletters written in support of
them adopting another child, sothat just goes to show just how
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well loved and respected thatthey were.
So they end up adopting Marciain 1968.
So at that point she was onlyfour years old.
Marcia is originally fromCanada and she's also Native
American, but her ancestral tiesare Seneca, Laura's background
before coming to them.
As is often the case inadoption cases, also very sad.
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She was the youngest of ninekids.
Parents were not responsible,abusive.
She would get tied in a chairfor very long periods of time.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So she's coming to them with a lot of trauma.
That is heartbreaking, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It was clear.
But it was clear, though.
Jerry and Laura loved Marshavery, very much.
Unfortunately, though, giventhe history, they were
incredibly overprotective, to afault Laura in particular and
that made it really hard forMarcia to make friends as she
grew up.
So she's, notably, really goodat art, she's very smart, her
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relationship with Jerry isreally strong, but she's got
this hovering overbearing motherthat just wants her to be safe,
but it's like at what cost?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Like helicopter.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yes, but to the upteenth degree.
Marsha was treated reallypoorly by her classmates and
just a few months before allthis poltergeist activity
started she was attacked by aclassmate.
She was so badly injured shehad to wear a soft back brace.
Jerry and Laura were so upsetthey decided to take her out of
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school and tutor at home.
So she's being homeschooled.
Back to the craziness.
That was Saturday, november23rd 1974.
This isn't the first timethere's been activity.
Soon after Laura and Jerryadopted Marsha they notice
things get moved around a lotLike pretty harmless, you know.
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Like think your book is on yournightstand and then it's on
your bed.
It's unsettling, but not anappliance, you know, crashing
down on your foot.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It's not knives hurtling through the kitchen
towards you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Exactly.
Then they start to experience arhythmic pounding on the house
that Jerry would describe as atits worst.
It's like the house was gettingstoned.
This went on for a few yearsbefore Years yes.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
A few years before 1974.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Apparently it would start every November.
It would happen intermittentlyfor the next few months.
It could happen at all hours ofthe day, start out as tapping
and gradually get louder.
Police, fire were called out,but they never found anything to
explain it.
There didn't seem to beanything wrong with the
foundation no kids responsibleplaying a prank.
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The activity through time keepsescalating.
Laura sees a disembodied handon the window.
Ew Doors open by themselves,chairs move, curtains falling
down.
So following the Goodensharrowing Saturday evening of
poltergeist activity, things arenot much better.
Well, I cannot understand whyin the world they would not have
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vacated their house immediatelyafter Bright Plate started
rising into the air.
I cannot explain any of thefollowing.
There is a broad cross-sectionof people that witness things
that are just not of this world.
It's more believable it's apoltergeist than all of these
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people collaborating andconspiring to fake a haunting.
That's my impression.
There's a lot of crazy stuffhappening in the days that
follow Tables flipping, ofcourse this is like obligatory
religious objects coming off thewalls, crucifix shatters.
The fridge keeps going crazy.
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At one point they see anoutline of bodies that
eventually separate into fourentities and one of them throws
Marsha across the room.
Also, their cat had got it tothe vet for an operation and
afterward it was said it couldbe heard uttering words in three
distinct voices.
When it was in the basementthey could hear this it would
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sing like a sailor.
It would yell at the basementdoor racial slurs, what I know.
That is just so random.
Jerry never actually saw thecat talk, but this is what was
reported from the family um, howdoes he know it was the cat
then?
I know I mean could be.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is like the, I don't know.
This needs to be a special onmy cat from hell.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Have you seen that TV show?
I'm guessing it's not the cat.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
My cat from hell, special edition.
Okay, go ahead.
My cat cusses like a sailor.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Sorry, how does one handle that?
And this last week of Novemberof hell, police are called,
fires called.
They call an engineer who seesa 450 pound refrigerator move
across the room.
They call priests.
City officials clear people outbecause it's a hazard.
It's like you have to sign awaiver just to get into this
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house.
I'm going to give you fromWilliam Hall's book, a few of
the firsthand accounts thoughHall's book, a few of the
firsthand accounts thoughpatrolman John Holsworth.
He is a friend of the Goodens,he and his wife.
They leave their baby with them, they spend time socially with
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them, so they really trust them.
They don't think it's making upNow.
When John goes over to thehouse on November 24th at 9 am,
he observes furniture moving orbeing thrown about and he
further states that he'd beencalled to the house on numerous
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occasions for the banging thathad happened before and he never
could figure it out.
One of the officers, josephTomek, who was called out to the
house in his report to hiscaptain he notes, while
conducting the initialinvestigation himself, carl
Leonsi, george Wilson and LeroyWalson so we've got four people
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writing to their captainobserved one or more of the
following happening therefrigerator rises approximately
six inches off the floor.
A 21-inch portable TV set inthe living room rises off the
table and turns around.
This poltergeist loves the TV.
Furniture moves away from thewall and falls over.
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Objects on shelves and hangingfrom the wall start vibrating
and fall to the floor.
At no time or any of thevibrations are shifting.
At no time or any vibrationsare shifting of the house felt.
Also observed was a loungechair where Marsha was sitting
that moved rapidly backwards andoverturned, and when the
officers on the scene tried tomove the chair and replicate,
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they couldn't.
It was too difficult.
Another patrolman named GeorgeF Wilson Jr said quote I saw a
large TV slowly make a 90 degreeturn away.
I'm like maybe he just wantedto watch TV or something.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm like what show was on every time the TV moved,
like what were the top shows of1974?
.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It's like look, there's not streaming.
Okay, you know, I gotta seewhat I gotta see when it's
playing.
So he continued quoting GeorgeF Wilson Jr.
A bureau bounced on the floor.
A couple of times a crucifixnailed to the wall vibrated and
pulled itself off.
A picture on the wall fell andnearly struck his partner,
patrolman Leroy Lawson.
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Three different recliningchairs bounced around changing
position in the room.
A large clock I'm laughingabout the TV.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Wait, I pulled up the top TV shows of 1974.
What do you think it was?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
trying to watch, I don't know.
Do you have any guesses forwhat?
The top TV shows of 1974.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
What do you think it was trying to watch?
I don't know.
Do you have any guesses forwhat?
The top TV shows of 1974?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
No idea.
Was Charlie's Angels on?
No, is that when Dallas was on?
It's not one of them.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Dallas was in the 80s .
Is that what you said, dallas?
Yeah, oh, oops, it was in the80s.
Is that what you said, dallas?
Yeah, oh, oops, it was in the80s.
So this was my one guess andit's on here.
I'm really surprised.
Good Times, happy Days, littleHouse on the Prairie were the
first three that popped up.
Also, Rockford Files, land ofthe Lost the Muppet Show show
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look I bet it was little houseon the prairie did they like
laura?
What's her name?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
laura ingalls, yeah I remember reading all those
books, or did they not?
Like her?
I wouldn't tear apart a houseover that show, but you do you.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I did like the books when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, I do too.
Well, now here's a quote tofrom deputy.
Here's a quote from deputy firechief.
I think you pronounce itZwirline.
He called a priest named FatherDoyle, the fire firehouse
chaplain, and he asked him if hecould come by to help the
family.
He said quote I'm not drunk,but this is what is happening
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here, father fireman, a firemanby the name of Paul McKenna.
He had returned after seeing alot of crazy things happening
with his substance.
They witnessed the TV floatingand falling and other things
fall Like.
This is starting to feel like acircus, right.
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So, and it is because throughit all the press starts covering
this.
It's all over the news.
There's a crowd of a fewthousand people outside of the
house.
Some people literally startselling soda and snacks at a
huge markup, which is so messedup, oh my gosh, and it's no
wonder that the press getsalerted early to what's
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happening.
It's not by the good ends.
They do not want this attention.
It is so crystal clear.
But Ed and Lorraine Warren,however, have entered the scene
and this is the first well-knowncase that they have some
involvement in Are you familiarwith Ed and Lorraine?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes, okay, because I think the movie Insidious is
like loosely based on one oftheir cases or something right.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I don't know if it's Insidious, but they have been
involved with a lot ofcontroversy in a lot of cases
and their cases have been atleast the basis of a couple of
the Conjuring universe AHaunting in Connecticut yes,
among Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, yes, okay, among others, maybe I got my movies
mixed up Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yes, I watched the Conjuring and after that I was
like peace out, I'm done.
That is not how things happenin real life.
They are Sure, they say looselybased.
Still I'm like I don't care,I'm good, I'm going to go read
about a serial killer instead,something that actually will
happen.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I'm going to go watch an episode of Dateline.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Exactly, exactly, a mutual contact a woman named
Mary Pasquarella who is aself-proclaimed psychic.
She contacted Ed and Lorraine.
She told them about what'shappening in the Goodens' house.
Ed Warren so here's what he wasin real life he was a former
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police officer, a self-describeddemonologist, and Lorraine
claimed to be a psychic whocould communicate with spirits.
Demonologist and Lorraineclaimed to be a psychic who
could communicate with spirits.
They show up with a priest,father Bill Charbonneau, from St
John's of the Cross Rectory,and a student at one of the
seminaries close by a man namedPaul F Eno.
One of the first things they dowhen they show up is a very
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logical thing they make severalcalls to the news media, tv
stations, which is so like.
This family is in trauma.
They do this time and time incases where they claim we don't
know what to do, the Catholicchurch won't help us.
So you know, we'll just try toget the word out.
So somebody comes over.
I don't know about that.
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I don't want to get toosidetracked.
We'll talk about them at theend, because there's a lot more
to be said about them, butsuffice to say like this is not
how a professional whatever youcall them would handle it.
Because the Goodens absolutelydo not want this.
When they find out, they are soangry they have them leave and
they are just like wash my handsof them.
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Here's a complication, thoughthat happens.
A few other officers come bynone of the ones that I've
mentioned so far and they notice, and Marsha slyly inches up to
the TV and pushes it so it hitsJerry's leg.
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So they walk aside and they'relike I think we know who the
demon is, and it's Marsha.
They talk to the good ends,ultimately.
They talk to Marsha and sheconfesses yes, she staged some
of this.
I don't know what to make ofthis, because how do you stage a
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floating refrigerator as a10-year-old girl and like when
you have that many people?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I don't know.
David Blaine could do it.
Who is that?
Should I know who that is?
He's a magician.
David Blaine could do it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
that.
Should I know who that is, he'sa magician.
Okay, but she's 10.
I don't know, maybe she'sbrilliant.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I don't know she is smart.
I mean, they all say she's verysmart, but I don't know.
When you have that manydifferent people across, I think
it's too coincidental.
We'll talk about themethodology, though.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
In a sec I'd be really pissed if my kid kept
knocking over TVs Sorry, they'reheavy, they're expensive Like
come on, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Sorry, so clearly.
There goes my little house inthe prairie theory.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Now you don't get to watch any episodes of the
Muppets.
Way to go.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I know it's strange.
I think this little girl isjust has been through so much.
I think she finally saw she wasgetting some attention that was
one of the theories and so sheclaimed responsibility, or she
took responsibility for some ofit, like maybe, when the
activity kind of died down alittle, she would help, you know
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, kick it up, like stir thingsup, yeah, which I could see.
I mean, I definitely can seethat the police superintendent,
a man named Joseph Walsh, hegets involved and ultimately he
says, okay, guys, it's a hoax.
Okay, you know, hands washed,we're, we're done.
They recommend Marv should gosee a doctor for psychiatric
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treatment, which she probablyjust needs anyway, she probably,
yeah, needed some therapy forall her childhood trauma.
Exactly Now all these accounts,though they were included in
William Hall's book, the onethat I could not return, the
digital copy of after tryingmultiple times.
William was born and raised inBridgeport and he was 10 when
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all of these events happened andhe remembers them.
He is a magician.
So my first thought was can heget us into the magic castle in
LA?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Second, can you recreate all of these things
from the book?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah.
So he wrote a syndicated 1990scolumn called Magic in the
Unknown, which ran for six yearsin multiple local papers in his
home state.
He would debunk what he thoughtwas a hoax and then try to
explain what you know, try toexplain the unexplained.
William Hall got all of hisdocumentation.
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So interviews, videotapes froma man named Boyce Beatty.
Boyce Beatty worked for anorganization called the American
Society for Psychical Researchand he was the lead investigator
on a study that was performedin December and into, I think,
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early January, after this crazyweek in November, to try to
figure out and document whathappened.
The quotes are direct from that.
So here's also the thing.
So William Hall, he still, Ithink even until this day.
He wrote this book years ago.
But he gives a lot of talks inthe local community.
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I saw he gave one at thelibrary.
So honestly, I don't think wealways have to question the
credibility, right, but I justdon't think, given the extensive
documentation, I wish he wouldrelease all of it.
He did some of it in the book,but I'm sure there's
confidentiality issues, but justgiven that.
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But it would be really bold togo out into the community and
basically make stuff up.
He's pretty out there.
And then I read reviews of thebooks and I read Reddit threads,
just seeing and, granted, thisisn't entirely scientific, it's
not scientific, but I didn't seeanything where people were like
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that's BS, I knew so and so.
But I didn't see anything wherepeople were like that's BS, I
knew so-and-so.
But I did see comments thatwere like I knew this police
officer or I believe that thishappened or I heard about it,
but nothing that was like thiswhole thing is just made up.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, interesting.
I mean it's kind of like yousaid that I don't know is it
true or are all of these peoplein on it?
I don't know.
It's still kind of likefantastical.
So it's hard to like.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Right, I think it would be crazy for that many
people to be in on it.
But then it's also crazy to saylike these things defy gravity,
because also too, like thepolice report from Officer Tomet
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he signed that with anotherofficer and referenced several
more.
This is documentation that'sgoing in, so they're putting
their reputations on the line.
After reading the book andlooking that extensively at it,
I thought I think she did someof it.
I think some of it is probablydramatized or made up or maybe
lost in translation, but I kindof think there's a lot there.
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Now, one thing that Boyce Beatty, who did the investigation, one
thing he noticed, noticed likehe did actual measurements, like
they actually had a log of withmarcia in the house, like
remember at the beginning, whenall that crazy stuff happened in
the kitchen and I said,remember, she's not in the house
, she's in the car and she'sasleep.
So he had documented when shewas in the room, when she wasn't
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in the room, her like exactproximity.
One thing that was speculatedtoo was that there seemed to be,
well, there is tension betweenthe mom and the daughter because
laura is just so overprotective, yeah, of her.
So there's speculation of is itlike flint and stone between
the two, like, given how closethey were to some of these
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events, that they sparkedobjects in the physical world to
move.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I mean, we kind of talked about this a little bit
when we talked about our othercase that had, you know,
potential poltergeist activitythat a theory is that it comes
from the energy, comes from thepeople, and it's usually
somebody that's like emotionallyvulnerable or going through
something or, I guess,potentially somebody that has
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trauma and unresolved thingswithin them that produces this
energy.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's just so interesting.
It's just so interesting whywith some people and not with
others, like what is specialabout that circumstance?
One of the theories put outthere was there's a multiverse
and geotechnical factors in thisspecific area and the soil
conducts electromagnetic fields,and I I read that and I was
like I do not have the knowledgenor the intellect I mean, I
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guess anything's possible, but Iit.
I just have to say, though,after reading all of it and the
stupid book not returning, I waslike there's something.
There's something here.
Maybe we have a listener outthere that's going to go do a
documentary.
I would love to, because theyhave.
They have all thatdocumentation in the interviews
that were conducted way back.
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That I think you could take acloser look, but it's.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So you weren't being sarcastic in the beginning when
you said this was like the mostconvincing story that you've
heard.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, yeah, well, what do you think after hearing
all of it?
It's hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, I mean, I didn't read the book, but I'm
highly skeptical.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm like was there nothing else that they could
have done to, like, modify thehouse or to Well, one of the
questions is always are theymaking it up because they want
book rights or a movie?
I mean, that's totally.
I think that's totally fair.
But here's why I don't thinkthat the Goodens really, really
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did not want the attention.
They hired an attorney by thename of Victor Ferrante, who
they wanted him to handle thepublicity and, frankly, to do
some damage control, becausethey didn't want their daughter
smeared all over the press.
They just wanted to be leftalone.
This attorney told them do notgive an interview without
getting paid.
They said, no, we don't want toget paid, which honestly at
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that point would beunderstandable.
Think about how much stuff intheir house has been damaged.
They're living in a small house.
It's not like they're rich.
So I could even say, even forlike just sheer practical
motivations.
You could see that.
But they never did that.
They only ended up doing oneinterview.
It was for free and that's it,and after that they wouldn't
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talk to anyone about it.
They just truly wanted to beleft alone.
It, they just truly wanted tobe left alone.
Also, they lost a lot from this.
So one thing we know that'sreal is really awful people.
A couple of people tried to setfire to the house.
Jerry was teased mercilessly atwork.
The house was egged.
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Their tires were slashed.
People would chip off paintfrom.
They had swans on their frontporch that people observed
moving.
They'd chip off the paint assouvenirs.
Yeah, so I mean, there's alwaysa lot to lose For very like
private and practical people.
It just it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I guess that's the 1974 equivalent of like an
internet troll.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Right, I know, at least on the internet, like your
stuff doesn't get damaged,right.
But on january 10th 1975 thegoodens put up their house for
sale.
It would never sell jerry um.
He dies at 70 of natural causes, but 10 years before that Laura
would die in a fatal car crash.
(39:30):
Jerry and Laura, they kept intouch with Boyce Beatty, the
lead investigator that came inafter the main events happened.
They kept in touch with him andthey told him.
When Marsha was 18, she decidedthey weren't good enough as
parents.
She cut them off completely andshe decided to find her real
(39:52):
parents.
According to the Mansfield NewsJournal, she dealt with
multiple sclerosis and epilepsyover the years and she
ultimately died of naturalcauses at the age of 51, which
is really really young.
A family member did not want totake her ashes, considering the
history of what happened at thathouse.
(40:13):
So this is not.
This does not end up.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's terrible for all of them.
Nobody can see my face exceptyou.
I keep like.
My jaw keeps dropping.
They were stuck in that houseforever.
Nobody would buy it, Right?
Yep?
What happened after they died?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Someone else eventually bought it.
I don't know details.
The only winners from thismight be the Warrens.
Although debatable.
Let's talk about them for asecond, just because this was so
interesting.
I had a dig when I read thatthey started calling the press
right away.
I was like that is so messed up.
It turns out too, those calls tothe press.
Ed Warren had the nerve to callCollect, and so the attorney
(40:59):
that they hired sent him a billfor the Collect calls, which I
was like awesome.
There are so many sketchythings about them, the podcast
Morbid, which you know I'mabsolutely obsessed with and why
we're here today.
They cover a lot of the casesthat they ultimately got
involved in that were much morepublicized later.
I'm not going to go into all ofthem, but some of the names
that might sound familiar theSnedeker haunting, the Smurl
(41:22):
haunting.
The Arne Johnson murder case,which there was just a Netflix
series called the Devil Made MeDo it.
Based off of that, the Warrenstried to argue that Arnie
Johnson committed a murderbecause he was possessed by the
devil, the demonic possession.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
I saw that when it came out, but I didn't ever
watch it.
I didn't either.
Like the teaser trailer thing.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I just thought demonic possession defense, that
is just.
I do not believe it.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
They were also involved with the Amityville
horror stuff.
Right they were.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
And Morbid did an episode on it and it sounds like
a lot of it was a hoax too.
I'll link it because it's justtoo much to get into.
But I think they were honestlyinvolved for Amityville for like
a day.
The Warrens love themselvessome PR for sure.
They're always calling thepress.
And here's some other sketchythings I just have to share that
(42:22):
I found about them.
So there were cases where theysaid, oh, we called the Catholic
church for help and they saidwe won't give you an exorcism or
we won't help with that.
And then the church would say,yeah, they never talked to us,
we were never involved in that.
So sketchiness there.
In one of the cases I believe itwas the Spurl case they said Ed
(42:43):
Warren said he had tapes of thepoltergeist activity but the
demon burned a hole through them, but then he wouldn't actually
produce the tapes with the hole.
So they would claim over andover again to have video and
photographic evidence and thenthey would just never produce it
.
And this is incrediblytroubling too.
(43:03):
And this is incrediblytroubling to a woman by the name
of Judith Penny, who wasdescribed as Ed's assistant,
came forward and said Ed hadmoved her into the house that he
and Lorraine lived with whenshe was 15.
And they had a full blownaffair.
Lorraine was consenting.
Lorraine was also awful to herduring this time.
(43:26):
It lasted until just a fewyears before Ed died in 2006.
Oh my gosh, how old was he whenhe died.
Okay, lorraine lived for quite abit longer, but that's not sure
where it happened because thereisn't a ton on it, but just
enough.
So Yikes, yes, very sketchy.
(43:47):
And then I found this.
At the end, I started laughingout loud Alongside Catholic
bishops and retired policeofficers, ed and Lorraine Warren
claimed that they exercised theangry spirit of a werewolf from
a man named Bill Ramsey, whowould reportedly turn into a
wolf man.
Previously, ramsey had beenarrested for accosting officers.
(44:11):
We both got our head in ourhands right now, laughing.
Previously, ramsey had beenarrested for accosting officers,
which he attributed to awerewolf demon overtaking him.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Did he actually eat bath salts or something
beforehand?
I think that's more logical, tobe honest, Was that the fun
treat that you had for me at theend?
Speaker 1 (44:42):
It's not the fun treat.
It's not, oh my gosh, no, no.
So the fun treat is it's not,oh my gosh, no, no.
So the fun treat is Idiscovered.
So it turns out there is an AIsong generator by the name of
Suno and you can write in like aquick summary of the song you
want it to create.
So I wrote in a summary of ourepisode today and it made a song
(45:05):
, and it's actually not half bad, oh my gosh.
So I'll play it for all of youat the end.
I'm so excited so more scarythan this is um ai is gonna take
over.
Oh, the matrix is gonna happen.
(45:26):
Take over.
Oh, the matrix is going tohappen.
Hopefully not until next week.
Next week we are going to covera really gritty, gritty, gritty
case.
This is a rough one.
We're going to go back to LosAngeles and we are going to
cover the most infamous andunsolved personally, I think
it's solved case in Los Angeles,if not probably ever, and I
(45:51):
think solved by the son of theman who ultimately probably
committed the crime.
In the meantime, stay away fromthe dark side, because if you
don't, you'll make collect callswhen a family's in crisis,
either because there's apoltergeist or because things
are going crazy.
Either way, I know that'sreally unprofessional.
(46:12):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Bye, police knocking out, yet they can't seem to find
it.
All Neighbors whisper secretsabout the place.
Fire trucks in the yard,shining lights on the space.
Adopted a daughter.
She was sent to be their light.
Overprotective hearts try toshield her from the night.
(46:44):
But the last baby gone left achill in the air.
Cold winds blowing through thehalls of despair.
Adopted a daughter she was sentto be their light.
Overprotective hearts try toshield her from the night.
(47:05):
But the last baby gone left achill in the air.
Cold winds blowing through thehalls of despair.
Holes of ice left her echoes inthe walls.
Burniture dancing down thehaunted halls, frantic voices
crying out in the mist and adoubt to the law of tangles.
In a phantom twist, spectralfigures take a walk in the gloom
(47:30):
.
The law of time woven in aphantom twist.
Spectral figures take a walk inthe gloom, phantom footsteps
thumping heavy in the room.
Every night they lay awake indread, fearing what was left
unsaid.
Before they go to bed, an eerieforce pulling at the seams,
lost within the family'sforgotten dreams, trying to
(47:51):
protect the life they saved,while the spirit of the past
digs up what they craved.
But luck has a way of weavingthrough the dark, casting light
on the shadows, leaving a markWith every whispered tale from
ages old.
They face down the spirits witha heart bold Holes of dice,
(48:13):
laughter echoes in the walls,furniture dancing down the
haunted halls, frantic voicescrying out in the mist, and a
thought to love tangled in aphantom twist.
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