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Embracing Nature's Wisdom: A Conversation with Tigrilla Gardenia
In this episode of the Dark Matter podcast, host Dev welcomes Tigrilla Gardenia, a nature-inspired life coach and founder of the Naturally Conscious Community. Tigrilla discusses her journey of recognizing the limitations of conventional systems from a young age and how her unique background in math, technology, and arts has shaped her approach to personal growth and ecological intelligence. The conversation explores how her work helps multi-passionate individuals embrace their 'natural' selves by reconnecting with the wisdom of the natural world. They delve into various topics such as plant intelligence, the importance of embracing one's unique traits, and practical steps for reconnecting with nature in daily life. Tigrilla also shares insights on how understanding one's deep pattern can harmonize various aspects of life, offering listeners valuable takeaways on living authentically and sustainably.
00:00 Welcome to the Dark Matter Podcast
01:31 Discovering Systems That Don't Fit
03:59 Embracing Multipotentiality
06:48 Navigating Self-Doubt and Belonging
12:41 The Journey into Music and Nature
21:31 The Reciprocal Relationship with Nature
25:03 Embracing Natural Rhythms
27:27 Practical Steps to Connect with Nature
30:33 Understanding Plant Intelligence
35:55 Discovering Your Deep Pattern
47:28 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
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(00:02):
Hello, hello, welcome in. If you're here listening to this
podcast, that means you're destined for something great,
and we both know it to be true. So without further ado, welcome
to the Dark Matter Podcast. Hello, hello and welcome back to
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the Dark Matter Podcast. It's your host Dev.
And today we've got another guest in Tigria Gardenia, a
nature inspired life coach and founder of the naturally
conscious community. Tigrias work bridges personal
growth, ecological intelligence and plant wisdom, helping
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creative, multi passionate people step out of systems that
were never designed for them andinto lives that feel aligned,
authentic and alive. With decades of experience
across art, technology and eco social innovation, she brings a
perspective that reconnects personal evolution with the
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intelligence of the natural world.
I'm super excited for this conversation with you.
Welcome to the Dark Matter show.Thank you so much Dev, I'm
really actually excited to be here.
Likewise, I know you do a lot ofwork with the natural world, and
I guess you know, the first question as we kind of get into
this is your work invites peopleto partner with nature rather
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than force themselves into rigidsystems.
So when did you realize that those systems weren't built for
you? Birth.
Birth, I'm telling you. Birth.
I was definitely the black sheepof the family.
I'll give you an example of how I discovered that systems
weren't meant for me. I was in elementary school.
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I can't even tell you what grade, probably whatever 4th
grade or something like that. And I remember being taken by my
teacher. My desk was grabbed and it was
back then it used to be I'm a little older.
So you would walk into the classroom on the right hand side
like was a wall with a chalkboard was.
And then there was all the like,you know, desks like looking at
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the chalkboard with the teacher at the front of the class.
My desk got pulled to the front of the class and put up against
the front wall right under the chalkboard to the right.
Because I would consistently geton my report card, you know,
learns concepts fast, then distracts the others like
because I would learn super fastwhat they were teaching.
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And then I would go on to chit chat with everybody and I was
like, how's it going? What's going on?
So the way that they appeased mewas in class.
They did that. Luckily I have older brothers.
My brothers are like 8 and 10 years older than I am.
So they used to give me their books, not because I was
brilliant, but because I learnedfast, which is very different
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from like a general kind of intelligence where somebody
who's like, you know, whatever, a Sheldon from, you know, Big
Bang Theory or something like that.
I wasn't a prodigy. I just learned in in a lot of
different ways from a lot of different inputs.
And then I would get bored. So, so yes, birth.
Birth is when I discovered that systems don't work for me.
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It, it's a very humble approach to that because I feel like
other people in your situation may be like, no, I'm brilliant,
you know, or like I'm a genius or I can learn pretty quick and
I can just, you know, picture that too, where someone's really
understanding the information. It kind of makes me think of
like Mike Ross from Suits where he just has a mind for it.
Like once he understands that, he never forgets it.
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And then so it kind of takes me into that, right?
Yeah. And I think that that was the
place where I started to see, you know, obviously it took me
years before I started to conceptualize it and understand,
but that's where I started to see that there was different
forms of intelligence. I was always, I've always been a
multi potential and a multi passionate person.
You know, so I loved math in school.
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I excelled in math. Like for example, I graduated
high school with level 2 calculus.
There was only 5 kids in my class for the last two years of
my high school who were in the same level of math that we were.
So there was only five of us, and it was a huge school.
I mean, I went to one of the largest schools in the United
States at the time. And so I realized I had the math
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thing, but I was also in band. And I also, you know, loved
social sciences. And I ended up kind of like
excelling in social science. I had all these different
inputs. And then I was, I loved music,
but I wasn't necessarily a musician, which was another
weird concept. My bachelor's is in music
engineering and electrical engineering.
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But I thought I was going to go to law school first because I
was on the debate team. So I was ping ponging
engineering over here, maths andengineering over here and social
sciences and politics over thereand over here music and over
here, you know, like dance and all these different pieces and
theater and all of it mixed together.
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But I was never, I wasn't first of all the person on the stage
necessarily. I, I did a lot of stuff in the
background that was a, a mind thing to like get to the concept
that I could be a creative but not be on the stage.
And then the fact that I would come off the stage and go to
like math club was just really bizarre for a lot of people.
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They're like, what do you mean you're wait, wait, no, creatives
are creatives and math geeks aremath geeks.
And I was like, well, I'm kind of both.
So that was where I started to see that I, you know, we, we get
told Jack of all trades, master of none, which I think is bull.
I'm not going to curse on your show without your permission.
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So, but I think it's such a bulland it's something that we
unfortunately try to teach the idea of discipline.
Go focus, do one thing only because if not, you're not going
to be good at anything. And that's hogwash.
It's such a horrible thing because we're not recognizing
the amount of talent that goes into being good at lots of
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stuff. That's a different skill set.
It's what made me such an amazing project manager when I
used to work at Microsoft, or what allowed me to go into the
real networks, which was at the beginning of the Internet, of
radio on the Internet. Because I had these multiple
sides to myself, I could understand that type of
technology, but if but a lot of people tried to kill it along
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the way. Do do you think there's a lot of
challenges with that? Because what you're saying here
is that, you know, you kind of had your hands in so many
baskets and you could go all in with all of them, but like you
chose to continue just feeling what was good for you.
And I feel like that's a challenging piece for a lot of
people. And I think a lot of people
struggle with self doubt and scarcity, you know, when it
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comes to this kind of stuff because maybe they don't fit the
mold. And your experience like what?
What do you see there and what does that mean towards belonging
and self worth even? Yeah, that's a really great
question because it is true. Our society is based on the idea
of excelling means being really good at one thing or one domain.
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Like you see a musician that hasplays lots of instruments, but
it's still, you know, we think of them and we label them as
musician, right? And or a creative, you know, so
you can do art and music and this and that.
For example, Queen, most of the most of the members of Queen
went on to get, you know, I think 1 was like a physicist.
You know, they, they did such amazing stuff that was outside
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of that norm. We just don't hear about it.
So I think for me, I got lucky that to a certain extent my, my
mother let me explore. I did struggle with it, but she
let me explore. And I remember when I went, I
did my, my freshman year in Boston University.
And then I decided I did not want to go to law school.
And that's a whole other story as to why I chose it.
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And I came back to Miami and went and started to look around
and say, what are the things that are consistent in my life?
And at that time, the two most prominent pieces of my life was
math, as I said, and music, right?
But I wasn't a musician necessarily.
So I was like, but all my friends were musicians and I
went to lots of concerts and I listen to music and music is a
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which will tie into what I do today with nature in a minute.
So I was like, I've discovered music engineering and the number
one school in the country was inmy backyard, right?
It was it was in my hometown. And so I came back and it was
interesting because my brother, who is very straight to a
certain extent, he had gone to his backup and he had done civil
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engineering. He worked in civil engineering
for like 6 months, realized he hated it.
And I was like, I told you like,why did you you wanted to be an
architect? But he wanted to go safe.
And so he got a civil engineering degree.
So he was trying to get me to gointo civil engineering.
And I was like, no, I'm going todo music engineering.
He's like, what are you going todo with that?
I'm like, we'll discover it whenI get there.
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And I did three different internships while I was in
college. I did radio station.
I did, I was the intern for R.E.M. when they did the Monster
album. And I was also an intern to a
band, like some really big bandsin South Florida at the time.
And the point being was like, I got lucky enough that I had a
mom who was supportive, who trusted me to say you're going
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to do something because you're ambitious enough to want to do
things. And I'm just going to let you
because, you know, OK, do it. Try what's the, you know, what's
the worst can happen and I just I literally would do any
opportunity. I would think about any
opportunity I was doing as to how it connected to what I
wanted to be doing eventually. So, you know, all these little
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odd jobs that I think for most people, you think about them
just for making money. I was doing odd jobs because I
was picking up skills like that's how my mind was working.
And I think that that really helped to look at the lateral
pieces. That doesn't mean I didn't have
moments. I mean, the whole Jack of all
trades, master of none things really does screw with your
head. It definitely does.
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But you get to a point where yourealize, I think maybe because
it was the beginning of the Internet, there was a lot more
exploration and innovation happening and there was a lot
more possibilities that I realized, OK, wait a minute.
Let me see what I can build herefrom all of this.
And I just played around. I followed an instinct that I
didn't even realize I was following.
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In my mind it was always safe. But for other people, I've been
told they were like, how do you do that?
You just like jumped into that. And I was like, well, in my mind
it was safe because I had a job or I had this possibility or
something like that. So I created the safety for
myself. And I think that's so powerful
for the listeners to really likekind of grasp that gem there
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because I feel like that's kind of it.
We all have an internal compass on what makes us feel good and
the direction that we should go.And the only time where things
become out of alignment is when you start listening to external
factors, right? And other people telling you
their own challenges, their own beliefs, right?
And I feel like that's a big thing.
And I do eventually want to get into like what you do today
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because hearing how you had your, you know, all these
interests and like you would take all those things.
A quick point to that too. I love that point of view as
well of just looking at everything as like the
experience. And for me, when I started my
entrepreneurship journey, it wasback in 2019, I did door to door
sales. No one gets into door to door
sales thinking that's going to be their full time career and
all those things. But what I did know is that that
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chapter would help my work. I think it would help my ability
to handle rejection, right? And how do I keep showing up?
And it would really increase a lot of the attributes and skills
and the talents that I didn't have.
And so even though I did it for the two years, now I can take
those skills and the things thatI've learned and move to that
next piece, right? And so the question I have here
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for you, because I feel like this is going to be a great
answer and I am excited to hear what you have to say.
But fear often shows up when people they slow down and they
start listening inward. So what fears tend to surface
when someone begins to reconnectwith, you know, nature and like,
just listening to their own internal guidance system?
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Yeah, I would say in that particular case, it's kind of
almost the opposite, which is really interesting.
I think we live in this constantstate of fear.
Like you had said earlier, we live in this self doubt and all
these term worries. And when I first started working
with plants, so my kind of plantreawakening was a music story I
was sitting. So I live in this place called
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Dom and Her. It's one of the largest
spiritual communities in the world.
It's an esoteric community and we're in Northern Italy and I
was walking down one of our areas and I heard this music.
And like I said, music has always been kind of my guiding
star, right? It's the, it's the thing that
allows me to understand the world.
It's how I communicate and connect with the world.
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Like there's a lot, it's how I process because I'm a verbal
processor. So like there's a lot of
elements to that. And this music was really
unusual. So I followed it and I ended up
at a box that was like a speakerthat was connected to a box that
was connected to a plant. And it's this device called the
music of the plants. And it's literally a musical
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instrument for plants. It allows plants to make music.
And in that moment, I was staring at this plant going, Oh
my goodness, you're talking to me like you're having a
conversation with me in this moment.
And it was just instantaneous, like awakening of, of pieces.
And, and that's where I started to get into it again, going safe
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first because in my mind, I haveto find the, the foundation, the
safety part of it and the safetypart of what was the science,
right? I was an engineer.
I was a music engineer. I mean, this was my terrain from
the perspective of the music in and of itself.
And then there was this unknown piece, which was the plants.
And as I started to connect and understand the science behind
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plant intelligence, plant communication, and that
developed my own kind of more abilities to connect and
communicate with the plants, which again, I can always give
both very woo woo answers and very scientific answers.
Like ask me which one you need. I will happily give it to you
and I can do the bridging between them.
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But the point being was I had been by that point in my life,
spent a, an enormous amount of time trying to quote UN quote,
change myself, right? I felt like I had all these
negative attributes and characteristics.
These were the things that were holding me back from achieving
the goals that I really had and blah, blah, blah, and all these
different pieces. And it was working with the
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plants in that way and understanding how ecosystems
work and which is that reconnection to nature, the fact
that I am part of the ecosystem,right?
Because I am a being of nature. I, I am a natural in my own way
that I realized that all these traits that I've been putting
into these negative terms actually are just traits I
didn't know how to use. And that in an ecosystem there
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is no garbage can. You don't throw things away.
You might compost them, but thatmeans that they become
nourishment for somebody else. Or you might use them only very
select circumstances. And that even the most
destructive characteristic, which are the ones that of
course we all think we're supposed to get rid of, can
actually be really useful because you sometimes do need to
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compost or destroy in order to create, right?
There's creation and destructionare not two sides of a coin.
It's kind of like there's a songin in Rent that says the
opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation because war
destroys and you create after that from the whole that gets
created. And that piece connected with
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the fact that I am a being of nature, which means everything
in the natural world I can connect to on some level.
All of a sudden took a bunch of fears that I had and just toned
down the volume because it says,what are you afraid of?
Like you can survive in nature because you are nature.
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You can use everything that you are to create or to destroy
consciously. Like all of a sudden, all those
little voices that were always playing around the doubts, the
this, the da, da, da, da, da, dagot put into a different context
that wasn't right or wrong, but it was how do I learn how to use
them? And then the fear doesn't
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control you anymore because now you feel empowered.
You're like, oh, I can't be a total raging bitch, but that
could be super useful if the person in front of me is
somebody who needs a good smacking.
Like, it's not a horrible thing.I don't use it when somebody's
being nice to me. I don't use it just because I'm
upset. I use it when that person or
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that circumstance needs that type of response in order for us
to move everything forward. Hopefully that made sense.
It does, and this is actually sointeresting.
I'm not. Have you ever heard of spirit
science? It's on YouTube there.
No, I haven't. So it's actually really
interesting and it's like a cross between science and it's a
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cross between like consciousnessand spiritual awakenings and
things. And there was this one episode,
my girlfriend actually had watched it.
This was probably over a decade ago now, and it was on animals.
And they were saying how you canactually communicate with
animals. And so when you understand that
you can communicate with an animal, then there's a certain
level of consciousness. It's like we are one.
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And this is all of like the oneness.
And as I mentioned in our conversation, we're going back
and forth. That was a big reason that
stemmed her trajectory. Now she's fully plant based and
she's been plant based for 12 years now.
I'm plant based as well because I understand that animals and
and plants and trees like it's all being, it's all of one level
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of consciousness. And so I know you.
You do realize that you're eating plants that are conscious
too, right? And that's difficult, right?
Because they are conscious. But then how do you sustain
yourself then if it's not even just?
Oh, I can answer the question, but vegans hate me.
Just so you know, like they, they well, because so where I
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live, our concept isn't so much about what you eat, right?
Because as you said, we are, I'ma being of nature.
And if you go and you look in nature in the most whatever you
consider nature doesn't matter, animals, plants, whatever, there
is a reciprocal exchange, right?Just the same as you have plants
that are carnivorous, you have animals that are plant based and
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you have a mix of in between, right?
So, and I don't want to derail the conversation, we can go
wherever you want to go with it,but we have to understand that
it isn't so much about a categorical what you eat.
It is about the relationship youhave with your food and the fact
of are you taking enough for sustenance and also being
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sustenance back in whatever way that that might look right,
which could be from allowing your body to decompose naturally
in a, you know, natural cemeteryso that you become food in the
future. It might be controlling the
amount you eat because maybe youlive in an area where certain
types of of of beings don't grow.
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And therefore, I'm not going to import it because that pollutes
because that piece, it's about how do I form the relationships
that are necessary. And where I live, for example,
right in front of me, there's a giant Meadow.
And in that Meadow we still havethe old fashioned shepherds that
come from the mountains and likewalk through and take their, you
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know, pasture all of their cows and sheep and goats.
So I periodically will have cowsand sheep and goat, and there's
a relationship I have with thoseanimals.
And I also have a relationship with the wild plants that grow
here and with the plants that wedo cultivate.
And there's this relationship ofhow do we keep the entire
ecosystem healthy. So therefore, I kind of say that
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the best quote UN quote diet to keep you healthy is to reconnect
to nature. Because when you reconnect to
nature, you will realize that you will not overindulge the way
you used to. Not because you feel disciplined
or because you feel like you have to, but because there's
like this reciprocal thing of ifyou gave your life for me,
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whether you're broccoli, whetheryou're a steak, whether you're
cauliflower, you gave your life for me.
I don't want to misuse that sacrifice that you gave to me.
So to me, it's all about the relationship.
Right. And that's a great way to look
at it too, I think as a whole, right?
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Because, and that's why even like free range or when you do
your own hunting, it is a lot of, and I think it even goes
back to like the indigenous populations, right?
Like they always used to have like ceremonies and they almost
kind of worshipped the the animals because they understand
it is, it is an exchange, right?So what is like connecting with
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nature? Like when you say that, what
does that mean? For me, that is about realizing
that we are, as you said, we areone in the sense of our source
is the same, right? We evolved from plants, we are
animals, right? So I have a certain amount of
plantness to a certain extent inme.
I have that part of me that is presence and stillness that is
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sessile, that that is grounded into what I do.
And there's an exchange of many.There's a reciprocal exchange
that's happening not just at thefood level, but breath, right
There is the shared oxygen and carbon dioxide that we're
sharing back and forth. There is the food perspective.
There's an electromagnetic exchange that's happening
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because that grounding feeling Ihave when I step on the earth
with without any kind of shoes is an electromagnetic exchange
that's happening between my bodyand the plant.
So being and reconnecting back to nature is realizing and
feeling inside of yourself that you are a being of nature and
therefore you're in exchange. Now, for people that it happens,
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you know, it happens in different ways.
That is what wakens that whole communication, right?
I can exchange with an animal. I can exchange with a plant.
I can have conversation in whatever form that takes.
That might be a feeling. It might be a literal like
almost telepathic conversation. It might be a guidance that you
feel you're receiving. It might be that nervous system
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that calms down when I smell allof those terpenes or those
volatile organic compounds that plants give off, right?
I breathe those in and my cortisol level drops.
That's all because I'm in relation, right, with the
plants. So once I recognize myself as a
being of nature and I allow myself to then step back into
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those natural cycles. Right now where I live, we're
getting into winter time, right?The fall has been and is for
nature in general, a period of double check your nourishment.
Bring in the things that have nourished you throughout this
year. And that's where you see when
you see leaves change color, what's happening is that the
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chlorophyll is being pulled backinto the plant.
And any kind of nourishment thatthe plant might be able to use
during the winter season is actually being pulled back into
the plant. And what you're seeing, those
yellows and Reds and vibrant oranges are actually other
compounds that the plant has always had, but during the
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winter time doesn't need. And so the plant allows that to
stay in the leaves and then thatgets composted down.
So as a human being, how beautiful to take this time
because I am also a being of nature.
I'm in a place right now where I'm in autumn and I'm heading
into winter. So I'm finishing that period,
right? I have another week left before
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the solstice. I'm finishing that period of
bringing that nourishment back. I'm slowing down.
I'm starting to look at my life and start to think about what do
I need to bring? What are the foods that need to
change because my digestion is going to change in this period.
So I get back into that rhythm and during the winter, I also
know that it's a time for reflection.
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It's a time for me to use my internal nourishment.
I don't need to build out new projects right now.
I can conceptualize them. I can start to design them, but
I don't have the energy to like really do them because that's
not what the season is for. So stepping closer, you know,
moving into all of these naturalcycles, that gives us permission
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to recognize I take a nap in themiddle of the day because that's
what my natural rhythm is like, right?
My natural rhythm works in this way.
I slow down during the, you know, holiday season because
that's a natural winter cycle for those of us that live in
places that have winter in this period of time.
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So all of these small little changes that happen when I
recognize that I'm a being of nature and that I can tap back
into these universal processes and feel that unity
consciousness that you were talking about earlier as a part
of me. So I'm always simultaneously 3
things. I am an observer of nature, I am
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a participant in nature and I amnature.
And when I can live these three,I can move from those different
points of view with ease. And that allows me to navigate
my day not so much from my thought and my discipline.
And you must do it this way and you have to be focused.
But more from, oh, at this period of the day, I'm really
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active. And in this period of the day, I
take a nap. And in this period of the day,
I'm strategic. And in this period of the day,
I'm more creative. And in this period of day, I
like to talk. And in this period of the day, I
don't like to talk. You start to realize that those
are natural cycles of yourself, and you accept them rather than
try to fight them. Again, very, very powerful way
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to say that. And I think as you're saying it
too, like I can, I'm, I'm visualizing it, you know, and,
and there's so many things you can do with connecting.
And I think you said grounding, like grounding's a big thing.
I know grounding really powerful.
I think even something like this, like as you're talking,
what I'm kind of seeing is like it's a connecting with nature
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isn't a binary, it's a continuum.
It's not, I've connected with nature.
It's how connected are you? And for someone who is
connecting or wanting to connectmore, because again, now we live
in a day and age where AI is bigger than it's ever been, you
know, people are more distractedand disconnected than they've
ever been. What's a practical way or like
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just a process that people can really do to take these steps
into their own hands to really connect with with nature today
if they wanted to? Yeah, I always say that the best
is to just take a minute with a houseplant, with the grass in
front of your house, with something that's growing out of
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the sidewalk crack. You know, there's so many
different a street tree. It doesn't have to be like, I
need to go pack and go camping into the middle of nowhere.
Great, if you can do it. Not necessary.
Even just stopping with your house plant, right?
You know, you have this beautiful plant.
You have a plant in your background, right?
And stopping and taking a momentwhen you're really stressed out
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and just breathing together, like imagining that as you
breathe in, consciously calling in the oxygen that this plant is
giving. And as you breathe out, feel
yourself giving carbon dioxide that the plant then takes in and
step back into that reciprocal exchange.
Feel that harmony. Even if you just do it for 2
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minutes, 2 minutes is all it takes.
You know, if you can do it for if you can do it for 20, even
better. But even just two minutes is
fantastic. And that helps you retap.
We don't have to go so far out. We can start to kind of activate
that biophilic, that love of nature connection that we have
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through small simple things. Even as I'm you know, we're,
we're doing audio, but you, I can see you because we have a
video on and I can see for example, I'll give you a great
example. It sounds so silly, but but the
lamp behind you, as you notice, has a pattern on it, right?
Which means the light that comesout of it isn't a stark light,
it's a light that is dampered. It has like a shape that is very
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much a natural connection to light that you would experience.
If I go outside and then the light comes through the leaves,
right, I have that. So that already starts to
trigger pieces of meat. It reactivates my own natural
way of being so light that movesin some ways in a very gentle
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way. Simple breath with plants, and
if you have the opportunity, like you said, take off your
shoes and put your feet onto theground, even if your ground is
relatively not. I have marble, right?
But it's marble. It's a natural element.
So unless your floor is something really contrived, but
if it's, you know, tile, if it'ssomething even just remotely
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natural, put your feet there andfeel, even if it's cold or if
it's hot, like these teeny tiny things that you can do anywhere
will already shift the way that you interact with the rest of
your day. Practical and simple.
It's, you know, a master is a master of the basics, right?
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And I think like you're saying alot of people it's, it's a very
all or nothing. It's like, oh, you want me to
connect with nature? OK, I need to go plan a seven
day trip where it's like, no, you can just spend 2 minutes
with any of the plants in your house.
Or if you don't have any plants in the house and just go stand
outside in your backyard or yourfront yard.
Like you don't have to, you know, really go anywhere.
So I know you speak a lot about plant intelligence and I and I
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want you to kind of open this upa little bit here.
I know you speak a lot about having plant intelligence as a
guide. What does that, what does that
mean? Like what does a practical
relationship look like with that?
Yeah. So that can mean depending on
how you want to approach it, right.
So plants inherently have a series of we, they don't have
brains, right. So neuro neuroscientists, if
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you're listening, I apologize toyou because you're not going to
get it but try. Which is the idea that every
single being has their own form of intelligence, right?
We know plants have all the same5 senses we do, plus they have
about another 15 other senses. So we know they take in
information, we know they have memory and can hold that
information. We know they can process and
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have decision making process from that information.
In other words, they can take ininformation, they can connect
that to their past information, and then they can make decisions
for the future based on about that.
These are just some of the simple pieces that we've already
learned about. And so plants have a very
different logic because their logic is based on I'm sessile,
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right? I can't move, I can't run away
because plants can move, but they don't run away.
We as humans, unfortunately, have been conditioned to run
away from our problems because we have legs.
Plants can't do that. So they've had to develop a way
to be extremely aware while at the same time selective of the
their use of the information that's coming their way.
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So on the one hand, extremely open.
And when we start to work with aplant, and I'll get to how in a
minute, once I start to work to the plant, I start to learn how
to expand my senses while not going into overwhelm because I
can be selective on how I chooseto bring that information in.
Also, plants teach us even if you just work with plants.
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So you can work with plants as mentors, as models, and as
collaborators. So let's go to models because I
think it's the easiest for most people to grasp.
Think about all the things a plant does, adapting to
different forms of temperature and changes to their environment
relatively quickly. I mean, if anybody who has a
house plant, who is probably a tropical plant and you've
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brought into your winter Wonderland in Canada and that
survives, you know that that plan has learned how to adapt.
So there's many different modelsthat a plant is developing in
order to be able to adapt, to make decisions and such that we
can then work with as beings of nature.
That takes us out of our human conditioning, which is usually
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based on what's in it for me andfear, a lot more fear than
anything else. So this already gives me into it
gives me new models for dealing with the world.
Also new relationships. As humans, we think about things
like I love you, you're my girlfriend, boyfriend, you know,
friend of 1000 years or my parent or familial or these
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types of things. Plants have lots of other
relationships, parasitism, predation, commensalisms like
collaboration, of which they have no stigma around.
They're built on what is best for that moment, what is best
for what's happening in the ecosystem and for the ones that
they're interacting with that. So that gives us a whole other
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set of models to help us feel more comfortable in the things
that we do without putting all of this labeling on it.
And so one easy way to start working with plants is that
right? How do I look at those models
and say, how do those models apply to me and where can I
interact with them? And then you can keep building
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on that like plants as mentors, So specific plants that you then
maybe give you information. Again, coming through those
senses that I might not know, but just breathing in those, all
of those organic compounds that they put out, I'm already
receiving from them. It might trigger biological
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pieces of me, but it also is triggering other pieces that I
might not have recognized also. So even that.
And then you can get on to plantcommunication, for example, and
many different people who receive messages.
And I believe because we're beings of nature, we all have
the ability to do that. And for example, this morning,
I, I have a plant that you can'tsee on camera, but is my
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business partner. And so we sit and we do strategy
meetings and I, you know, sit and I connect and then I listen
and I allow my body to receive from this plant.
And, you know, sometimes it's automatic writing, sometimes
it's movement in a feeling. It comes in a lot of different
ways. And I also teach many of these
different aspects and work with it in my coaching of How do you
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start to realize that the answers to the questions that I
have are myself? I have knowledge, but I can also
merge that knowledge with all the other beings that are around
me. Yeah, this is a a very
interesting and I feel like we could spend so much time on this
here, this one topic because I feel like it's refreshing in
today's day and age. And I think it's necessary.
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And I think the world is coming back to a time where
connectedness and consciousness is going to really tap in.
And you know, we can get into like the 3D and the 5D and the
separation and all of those things.
But I do want to just quickly segues apart here because I
mean, we talked about your storyand how you had hands in so many
different, you know, jars. And then you realize that, you
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know, what it is is you can be aJack of all trades and that's a
good thing and it's a powerful thing and you can really do
that. So what happens after?
So like, what was that journey for you?
And then now what do you like? How did you get to where you are
today and what is it that you dotoday?
So that's, it's so much fun because I, I get excited about
it because again, working with plants helped me put it all
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together. So in when, when you study
something like, for example, biomimicry, which is bio inspired
design and you can I do I have amaster's in digital future.
So it's plants, social innovation and design.
And so I love social innovation.Like I said, even though math
was my my Forte for so long, it's been the social kind of
parts that has always excited me.
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I love human relations and such.And when you start looking at
something like ecosystems, for example, and I start to think
about it from an ecosystem design perspective, many species
have what in bio mimicry is called a deep pattern.
It is the form of expression like 1 main pattern that when
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you recognize that pattern, you no longer have to create 1000
different rules. You can create a very small set
of rules that allow that patternto show.
So an example that often gets used that I think is such a
brilliant way of putting it is swarms of birds, beautiful birds
moving in these complex patterns, right?
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If you look up at a sky, at a swarm of birds or a school of
fish, they're moving in such interesting ways because they
have one rule, only one. The rule is the distance between
their partners from one side to the other, right?
The distance to whom's next to me.
So what happens is as a bird moves, the one next to says, oh,
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I got to stay with you. And then as that bird moves,
then the other say, oh, I got tostay with you.
And this creates super complex movement and allows them to
travel long distances, staying very compact together with one
rule. So once you recognize yourself
as a being of nature, you start to realize that you probably
have a deep pattern that you follow as well.
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For example, my pattern that putall these different pieces
together. And it's one of the things I
help my clients discover is my pattern is I'm a bridge.
In other words, at a very high level, I mean, it gets more
detailed than that. I'm always looking to bridge
from A to B. So that might be taking a client
from where they are to who they want to be.
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It might be taking a project from beginning to end, which
means I'm a better project manager than an in depth feature
person. When I worked at Microsoft and
they tried to put me into a feature, I could not do it but
give me a project to release. Even I used to work in Windows.
I loved it because I could look at how do I help people bridge
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their gaps and move to the places that they need to go to.
When I started to go back in my life, I used to always say that
one of my favorite things to do is I love to make other people's
dreams come true because I'm a bridge.
I accompany you from one place to the other.
I don't have to be the innovatorof the idea.
I don't have to be the one that figures out all of the like
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mechanics. I want to be there to bring the
whole thing across or the personacross.
So that's my deep pattern. And once I started to realize
that it didn't matter what the heck I was doing when I worked
with R.E.M, when I was at Microsoft, when I was with
Cirque du Soleil, when I had my own event production company,
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when I was working here in Dom and her on our projects.
Like it doesn't matter what I doas long as I'm always
experiencing it as the the bridge.
That is the thing that connects everything and allows me to not
have to think about discipline or focus.
Because I know that I'm always expressing the best part of me
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in that way. And that's my ecosystem design.
So a lot of the work I do is helping people discover that
ecosystem design. And because I have such a varied
background, I don't care where you're working.
You can be in corporate, you canbe in tech.
And I might talk a lot about nature, and I do, and I spend a
lot of time in nature, but I'm atech girl at heart.
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You know, I've been in tech since I was 20 something years
old, 23 years old. So I've been in tech a very long
time, right? I've saw the birth of the
Internet and how everything grew, and I participated in the
AI world when it was machine learning.
Like I have been in this world along time.
I don't try to tell you to get out of it.
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I try to help you live it as a being of nature so that you can
enjoy it without getting yourself sick, without burning
out, without feeling like you have to conform to a bunch of
rules that don't fit you, and where you feel like no matter
where you are in that ever changing world, because man does
the world change fast. Now your deep pattern expresses
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itself, so you don't actually care what you're doing.
You just care that you're doing it because you're doing it in a
way that fills you, right? How different is this to
something like human design for example?
The thing about human, so human design is human focused and
there's the the problem with it that unfortunately you have that
fear model injected into it to acertain extent.
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And human design, you know, fromthe perspective of helps you
understand your pattern. So it does help you understand a
lot of aspects. The deep pattern goes beyond it,
encompasses it. And I guess that's the also part
of it being a multi potentialitemeans you can like on a
projector, right? So I knowing that I'm a
projector, knowing that I need to be asked, right?
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I need to have that happen. I tell my friends like I feel
comfortable enough because that's my nature to say to my
friend. I mean, I remember calling one
of my friends one day and I said, listen to me.
I want to cook for you. Like I would love to have you
come over my house. I am never going to invite you
because I need you to invite yourself.
I need you to invite me to things because my human design
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is this thing. So if I'm going to bridge this
gap because I'm a bridge, the way I bridge the gap is by
telling people what I need. I don't feel bad for having to
have the invitation, and I also don't need will you do this?
I can see the broad invitation because I know my deep pattern
connected to my human design, connected to my astrology,
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connected to this or that or theother.
So it allows me to see a bigger ecosystem project, right?
Like how all these different threads of the ecosystem work
in. And I don't feel bad about the
fact that that's who I am. I don't try to change the idea
that I need an invitation. I tell people I need this.
So if you want me to work on a project, I'm most likely not
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going to just start it. I need you to invite me.
I think that's extremely well said and golden gem for people
that are listening because it's one thing to know your human
desire. I myself as a projector as well.
And so for me, I get that you need the invitation, right?
We need it because the hardest thing for us are not self theme
is the bitterness, right? And so the thing that we hate
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the most is when we provide information or insights to
people and it goes, you know, unheard.
And it stresses me out honestly.And I get to a point where it's
like, I want to help and I can help you, but like unless you
ask or if I do share and you didn't, then there's always that
discrepancy, right? So I love this as like the deep
pattern as the thing to really help understand because that's
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the missing piece for a lot of people.
They might know their human design and it's this and that's
helpful. But then how do you then like
yours is bridging the gap. But some people aren't that
focused. Like for me, it's hard to bridge
the gap because I don't naturally go to that right?
To just explain and communicate what it is.
So I think this is helpful and Ithink for a lot of people, if
you are like, I think this sort of work could be useful like you
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said, for anyone because you have a unique background in just
about everything, right? So pretty incredible.
It's what I've always, it's whatI've always loved and I I love
that it takes a it working in this way and really
understanding myself as, as natural, just even just using
that term beyond reconnection tonature and all these things.
The fact that I am natural meansthat I stopped at some point
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when I started working with plants this deeply, I stopped
looking for the thing to get ridof about myself and I started
asking the question differently,How do I use that?
Where do I use that? Like where is that useful to me?
Even if it's destructive or whether or whatever it is.
Like the questions start to shift because you stop thinking,
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oh, something's wrong with me. This is a trauma response.
This is even if it is, that's natural because when you hit a
tree, right? I'm reading a book.
I have a plant wisdom book club and I'm reading a book right now
where it's about, it's called the tree and it's about a
specific Douglas fir. And the author was saying how
the tree has a really crooked sort of trunk.
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And one day he finally realized because he's a zoologist, so
he's an animal person. He's like, why am I writing a
book about a tree? He's like, because I started to
really observe and connect with this tree in a different way.
And he says, one of the things Inoticed is that the tree has
this very unusual shape, which means, wait a minute, when I
think about the birth of this tree, which the tree was born
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around the time of Shakespeare, the tree that the angle that I'm
used to getting from, you know, what, at one part of my land to
another part was actually much steeper, which means the tree
had to adapt in order to grow up.
So that's why there's this giant.
And then the land, because he went back changed again.
And there was another kind of direction and then my house was
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built and my property and stuff.So that has a different
direction. So this is the tree has this
strange shape because the trees had to adapt to that
environment. Now when I look at that, do I
think something is wrong with the tree?
No, but the tree experienced 3 forms of trauma, right?
If I want to use human terms, it's using 3 forms of trauma.
But that the plant doesn't say, oh, I have to get rid of this
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bend. The plant incorporates the bend
in and finds a way to be healthyand strong and whatever using
what was learned from that bend.Imagine if we could do that,
Stop trying to just eliminate things and instead said what did
I get from this and what can I use?
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Yeah, I love that because, again, we live in such a day and
age where it's like, I wish I wasn't so lazy, or I wish I had
better discipline or I wish I had all these things.
And it's like, yeah, but you arethe way that you are for a
reason. If you learn to, they're kind of
like your gifts, right? It makes you uniquely you.
And I love the idea of connecting with nature and
shifting. It's like shifting your internal
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perspective and the narratives to understand that those things
sure, in this sort of limelight in like way that you're looking
at it doesn't fit, but where else could that be useful?
This has been incredible for thelistener that gets all the way
here. What is like your favorite, like
finals kind of send off message to those that this is kind of
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like if they get to this point, if they didn't take anything
away, which I don't know how they could have from this entire
thing, but if they didn't take anything away, what would that
one final send off be to leave the listeners with here today?
The most important thing for me is to recognize that you are
natural. Every thought that comes through
your mind, every feeling that you have, every experience that
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you have is completely natural and that you have the power to
decide how to use it. And that nature helps us find
that definition, and that definition is constantly going
to be changing. Also, the idea that you're not
static, so you're natural, you're constantly changing, and
everything about you can be useful in the right context.
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So I often say in the right duration, the right dosage and
the right direction, and you canuse anything about yourself.
I love that. That's such a great message to
Korea. This has been incredible work.
Can the listeners find more about you, what you're up to,
and connect with you going forward?
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The positive of having an unusual name means that I'm
basically at Tigria Gardenia, which I'm sure you know.
You'll tell them how to spell iteverywhere.
So.com at Facebook, at Instagram, at LinkedIn, like all
of it is just at Tigri. I got Danny on YouTube.
I have a podcast as well, which is Reconnect with plant Wisdom,
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but you'll find that also on my website.
So super easy. I'll leave all the links down
below. I highly recommend going and
checking it out and there's justso many things that you can
really take away from this. And yeah, this has been such a
pleasure. Thank you so much for being on
and for the listener, of course.Thank you so much for being
active, tuning in and sharing the show.
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We're currently in 37 countries and growing.
So super exciting. Love seeing the growth of it
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I'll catch you on the next one. You enjoy today's episode,
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the next.
Hello, hello, welcome in. If you're here listening to this
podcast, that means you're destined for something great,
and we both know it to be true. So without further ado, welcome
to the Dark Matter Podcast. Hello, hello and welcome back to
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the Dark Matter Podcast. It's your host Dev.
And today we've got another guest in Tigria Gardenia, a
nature inspired life coach and founder of the naturally
conscious community. Tigrias work bridges personal
growth, ecological intelligence and plant wisdom, helping
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creative, multi passionate people step out of systems that
were never designed for them andinto lives that feel aligned,
authentic and alive. With decades of experience
across art, technology and eco social innovation, she brings a
perspective that reconnects personal evolution with the
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intelligence of the natural world.
I'm super excited for this conversation with you.
Welcome to the Dark Matter show.Thank you so much Dev, I'm
really actually excited to be here.
Likewise, I know you do a lot ofwork with the natural world, and
I guess you know, the first question as we kind of get into
this is your work invites peopleto partner with nature rather
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than force themselves into rigidsystems.
So when did you realize that those systems weren't built for
you? Birth.
Birth, I'm telling you. Birth.
I was definitely the black sheepof the family.
I'll give you an example of how I discovered that systems
weren't meant for me. I was in elementary school.
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I can't even tell you what grade, probably whatever 4th
grade or something like that. And I remember being taken by my
teacher. My desk was grabbed and it was
back then it used to be I'm a little older.
So you would walk into the classroom on the right hand side
like was a wall with a chalkboard was.
And then there was all the like,you know, desks like looking at
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the chalkboard with the teacher at the front of the class.
My desk got pulled to the front of the class and put up against
the front wall right under the chalkboard to the right.
Because I would consistently geton my report card, you know,
learns concepts fast, then distracts the others like
because I would learn super fastwhat they were teaching.
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And then I would go on to chit chat with everybody and I was
like, how's it going? What's going on?
So the way that they appeased mewas in class.
They did that. Luckily I have older brothers.
My brothers are like 8 and 10 years older than I am.
So they used to give me their books, not because I was
brilliant, but because I learnedfast, which is very different
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from like a general kind of intelligence where somebody
who's like, you know, whatever, a Sheldon from, you know, Big
Bang Theory or something like that.
I wasn't a prodigy. I just learned in in a lot of
different ways from a lot of different inputs.
And then I would get bored. So, so yes, birth.
Birth is when I discovered that systems don't work for me.
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It, it's a very humble approach to that because I feel like
other people in your situation may be like, no, I'm brilliant,
you know, or like I'm a genius or I can learn pretty quick and
I can just, you know, picture that too, where someone's really
understanding the information. It kind of makes me think of
like Mike Ross from Suits where he just has a mind for it.
Like once he understands that, he never forgets it.
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And then so it kind of takes me into that, right?
Yeah. And I think that that was the
place where I started to see, you know, obviously it took me
years before I started to conceptualize it and understand,
but that's where I started to see that there was different
forms of intelligence. I was always, I've always been a
multi potential and a multi passionate person.
You know, so I loved math in school.
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I excelled in math. Like for example, I graduated
high school with level 2 calculus.
There was only 5 kids in my class for the last two years of
my high school who were in the same level of math that we were.
So there was only five of us, and it was a huge school.
I mean, I went to one of the largest schools in the United
States at the time. And so I realized I had the math
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thing, but I was also in band. And I also, you know, loved
social sciences. And I ended up kind of like
excelling in social science. I had all these different
inputs. And then I was, I loved music,
but I wasn't necessarily a musician, which was another
weird concept. My bachelor's is in music
engineering and electrical engineering.
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But I thought I was going to go to law school first because I
was on the debate team. So I was ping ponging
engineering over here, maths andengineering over here and social
sciences and politics over thereand over here music and over
here, you know, like dance and all these different pieces and
theater and all of it mixed together.
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But I was never, I wasn't first of all the person on the stage
necessarily. I, I did a lot of stuff in the
background that was a, a mind thing to like get to the concept
that I could be a creative but not be on the stage.
And then the fact that I would come off the stage and go to
like math club was just really bizarre for a lot of people.
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They're like, what do you mean you're wait, wait, no, creatives
are creatives and math geeks aremath geeks.
And I was like, well, I'm kind of both.
So that was where I started to see that I, you know, we, we get
told Jack of all trades, master of none, which I think is bull.
I'm not going to curse on your show without your permission.
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So, but I think it's such a bulland it's something that we
unfortunately try to teach the idea of discipline.
Go focus, do one thing only because if not, you're not going
to be good at anything. And that's hogwash.
It's such a horrible thing because we're not recognizing
the amount of talent that goes into being good at lots of
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stuff. That's a different skill set.
It's what made me such an amazing project manager when I
used to work at Microsoft, or what allowed me to go into the
real networks, which was at the beginning of the Internet, of
radio on the Internet. Because I had these multiple
sides to myself, I could understand that type of
technology, but if but a lot of people tried to kill it along
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the way. Do do you think there's a lot of
challenges with that? Because what you're saying here
is that, you know, you kind of had your hands in so many
baskets and you could go all in with all of them, but like you
chose to continue just feeling what was good for you.
And I feel like that's a challenging piece for a lot of
people. And I think a lot of people
struggle with self doubt and scarcity, you know, when it
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comes to this kind of stuff because maybe they don't fit the
mold. And your experience like what?
What do you see there and what does that mean towards belonging
and self worth even? Yeah, that's a really great
question because it is true. Our society is based on the idea
of excelling means being really good at one thing or one domain.
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Like you see a musician that hasplays lots of instruments, but
it's still, you know, we think of them and we label them as
musician, right? And or a creative, you know, so
you can do art and music and this and that.
For example, Queen, most of the most of the members of Queen
went on to get, you know, I think 1 was like a physicist.
You know, they, they did such amazing stuff that was outside
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of that norm. We just don't hear about it.
So I think for me, I got lucky that to a certain extent my, my
mother let me explore. I did struggle with it, but she
let me explore. And I remember when I went, I
did my, my freshman year in Boston University.
And then I decided I did not want to go to law school.
And that's a whole other story as to why I chose it.
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And I came back to Miami and went and started to look around
and say, what are the things that are consistent in my life?
And at that time, the two most prominent pieces of my life was
math, as I said, and music, right?
But I wasn't a musician necessarily.
So I was like, but all my friends were musicians and I
went to lots of concerts and I listen to music and music is a
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which will tie into what I do today with nature in a minute.
So I was like, I've discovered music engineering and the number
one school in the country was inmy backyard, right?
It was it was in my hometown. And so I came back and it was
interesting because my brother, who is very straight to a
certain extent, he had gone to his backup and he had done civil
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engineering. He worked in civil engineering
for like 6 months, realized he hated it.
And I was like, I told you like,why did you you wanted to be an
architect? But he wanted to go safe.
And so he got a civil engineering degree.
So he was trying to get me to gointo civil engineering.
And I was like, no, I'm going todo music engineering.
He's like, what are you going todo with that?
I'm like, we'll discover it whenI get there.
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And I did three different internships while I was in
college. I did radio station.
I did, I was the intern for R.E.M. when they did the Monster
album. And I was also an intern to a
band, like some really big bandsin South Florida at the time.
And the point being was like, I got lucky enough that I had a
mom who was supportive, who trusted me to say you're going
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to do something because you're ambitious enough to want to do
things. And I'm just going to let you
because, you know, OK, do it. Try what's the, you know, what's
the worst can happen and I just I literally would do any
opportunity. I would think about any
opportunity I was doing as to how it connected to what I
wanted to be doing eventually. So, you know, all these little
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odd jobs that I think for most people, you think about them
just for making money. I was doing odd jobs because I
was picking up skills like that's how my mind was working.
And I think that that really helped to look at the lateral
pieces. That doesn't mean I didn't have
moments. I mean, the whole Jack of all
trades, master of none things really does screw with your
head. It definitely does.
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But you get to a point where yourealize, I think maybe because
it was the beginning of the Internet, there was a lot more
exploration and innovation happening and there was a lot
more possibilities that I realized, OK, wait a minute.
Let me see what I can build herefrom all of this.
And I just played around. I followed an instinct that I
didn't even realize I was following.
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In my mind it was always safe. But for other people, I've been
told they were like, how do you do that?
You just like jumped into that. And I was like, well, in my mind
it was safe because I had a job or I had this possibility or
something like that. So I created the safety for
myself. And I think that's so powerful
for the listeners to really likekind of grasp that gem there
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because I feel like that's kind of it.
We all have an internal compass on what makes us feel good and
the direction that we should go.And the only time where things
become out of alignment is when you start listening to external
factors, right? And other people telling you
their own challenges, their own beliefs, right?
And I feel like that's a big thing.
And I do eventually want to get into like what you do today
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because hearing how you had your, you know, all these
interests and like you would take all those things.
A quick point to that too. I love that point of view as
well of just looking at everything as like the
experience. And for me, when I started my
entrepreneurship journey, it wasback in 2019, I did door to door
sales. No one gets into door to door
sales thinking that's going to be their full time career and
all those things. But what I did know is that that
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chapter would help my work. I think it would help my ability
to handle rejection, right? And how do I keep showing up?
And it would really increase a lot of the attributes and skills
and the talents that I didn't have.
And so even though I did it for the two years, now I can take
those skills and the things thatI've learned and move to that
next piece, right? And so the question I have here
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for you, because I feel like this is going to be a great
answer and I am excited to hear what you have to say.
But fear often shows up when people they slow down and they
start listening inward. So what fears tend to surface
when someone begins to reconnectwith, you know, nature and like,
just listening to their own internal guidance system?
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Yeah, I would say in that particular case, it's kind of
almost the opposite, which is really interesting.
I think we live in this constantstate of fear.
Like you had said earlier, we live in this self doubt and all
these term worries. And when I first started working
with plants, so my kind of plantreawakening was a music story I
was sitting. So I live in this place called
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Dom and Her. It's one of the largest
spiritual communities in the world.
It's an esoteric community and we're in Northern Italy and I
was walking down one of our areas and I heard this music.
And like I said, music has always been kind of my guiding
star, right? It's the, it's the thing that
allows me to understand the world.
It's how I communicate and connect with the world.
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Like there's a lot, it's how I process because I'm a verbal
processor. So like there's a lot of
elements to that. And this music was really
unusual. So I followed it and I ended up
at a box that was like a speakerthat was connected to a box that
was connected to a plant. And it's this device called the
music of the plants. And it's literally a musical
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instrument for plants. It allows plants to make music.
And in that moment, I was staring at this plant going, Oh
my goodness, you're talking to me like you're having a
conversation with me in this moment.
And it was just instantaneous, like awakening of, of pieces.
And, and that's where I started to get into it again, going safe
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first because in my mind, I haveto find the, the foundation, the
safety part of it and the safetypart of what was the science,
right? I was an engineer.
I was a music engineer. I mean, this was my terrain from
the perspective of the music in and of itself.
And then there was this unknown piece, which was the plants.
And as I started to connect and understand the science behind
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plant intelligence, plant communication, and that
developed my own kind of more abilities to connect and
communicate with the plants, which again, I can always give
both very woo woo answers and very scientific answers.
Like ask me which one you need. I will happily give it to you
and I can do the bridging between them.
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But the point being was I had been by that point in my life,
spent a, an enormous amount of time trying to quote UN quote,
change myself, right? I felt like I had all these
negative attributes and characteristics.
These were the things that were holding me back from achieving
the goals that I really had and blah, blah, blah, and all these
different pieces. And it was working with the
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plants in that way and understanding how ecosystems
work and which is that reconnection to nature, the fact
that I am part of the ecosystem,right?
Because I am a being of nature. I, I am a natural in my own way
that I realized that all these traits that I've been putting
into these negative terms actually are just traits I
didn't know how to use. And that in an ecosystem there
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is no garbage can. You don't throw things away.
You might compost them, but thatmeans that they become
nourishment for somebody else. Or you might use them only very
select circumstances. And that even the most
destructive characteristic, which are the ones that of
course we all think we're supposed to get rid of, can
actually be really useful because you sometimes do need to
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compost or destroy in order to create, right?
There's creation and destructionare not two sides of a coin.
It's kind of like there's a songin in Rent that says the
opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation because war
destroys and you create after that from the whole that gets
created. And that piece connected with
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the fact that I am a being of nature, which means everything
in the natural world I can connect to on some level.
All of a sudden took a bunch of fears that I had and just toned
down the volume because it says,what are you afraid of?
Like you can survive in nature because you are nature.
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You can use everything that you are to create or to destroy
consciously. Like all of a sudden, all those
little voices that were always playing around the doubts, the
this, the da, da, da, da, da, dagot put into a different context
that wasn't right or wrong, but it was how do I learn how to use
them? And then the fear doesn't
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control you anymore because now you feel empowered.
You're like, oh, I can't be a total raging bitch, but that
could be super useful if the person in front of me is
somebody who needs a good smacking.
Like, it's not a horrible thing.I don't use it when somebody's
being nice to me. I don't use it just because I'm
upset. I use it when that person or
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that circumstance needs that type of response in order for us
to move everything forward. Hopefully that made sense.
It does, and this is actually sointeresting.
I'm not. Have you ever heard of spirit
science? It's on YouTube there.
No, I haven't. So it's actually really
interesting and it's like a cross between science and it's a
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cross between like consciousnessand spiritual awakenings and
things. And there was this one episode,
my girlfriend actually had watched it.
This was probably over a decade ago now, and it was on animals.
And they were saying how you canactually communicate with
animals. And so when you understand that
you can communicate with an animal, then there's a certain
level of consciousness. It's like we are one.
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And this is all of like the oneness.
And as I mentioned in our conversation, we're going back
and forth. That was a big reason that
stemmed her trajectory. Now she's fully plant based and
she's been plant based for 12 years now.
I'm plant based as well because I understand that animals and
and plants and trees like it's all being, it's all of one level
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of consciousness. And so I know you.
You do realize that you're eating plants that are conscious
too, right? And that's difficult, right?
Because they are conscious. But then how do you sustain
yourself then if it's not even just?
Oh, I can answer the question, but vegans hate me.
Just so you know, like they, they well, because so where I
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live, our concept isn't so much about what you eat, right?
Because as you said, we are, I'ma being of nature.
And if you go and you look in nature in the most whatever you
consider nature doesn't matter, animals, plants, whatever, there
is a reciprocal exchange, right?Just the same as you have plants
that are carnivorous, you have animals that are plant based and
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you have a mix of in between, right?
So, and I don't want to derail the conversation, we can go
wherever you want to go with it,but we have to understand that
it isn't so much about a categorical what you eat.
It is about the relationship youhave with your food and the fact
of are you taking enough for sustenance and also being
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sustenance back in whatever way that that might look right,
which could be from allowing your body to decompose naturally
in a, you know, natural cemeteryso that you become food in the
future. It might be controlling the
amount you eat because maybe youlive in an area where certain
types of of of beings don't grow.
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And therefore, I'm not going to import it because that pollutes
because that piece, it's about how do I form the relationships
that are necessary. And where I live, for example,
right in front of me, there's a giant Meadow.
And in that Meadow we still havethe old fashioned shepherds that
come from the mountains and likewalk through and take their, you
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know, pasture all of their cows and sheep and goats.
So I periodically will have cowsand sheep and goat, and there's
a relationship I have with thoseanimals.
And I also have a relationship with the wild plants that grow
here and with the plants that wedo cultivate.
And there's this relationship ofhow do we keep the entire
ecosystem healthy. So therefore, I kind of say that
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the best quote UN quote diet to keep you healthy is to reconnect
to nature. Because when you reconnect to
nature, you will realize that you will not overindulge the way
you used to. Not because you feel disciplined
or because you feel like you have to, but because there's
like this reciprocal thing of ifyou gave your life for me,
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whether you're broccoli, whetheryou're a steak, whether you're
cauliflower, you gave your life for me.
I don't want to misuse that sacrifice that you gave to me.
So to me, it's all about the relationship.
Right. And that's a great way to look
at it too, I think as a whole, right?
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Because, and that's why even like free range or when you do
your own hunting, it is a lot of, and I think it even goes
back to like the indigenous populations, right?
Like they always used to have like ceremonies and they almost
kind of worshipped the the animals because they understand
it is, it is an exchange, right?So what is like connecting with
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nature? Like when you say that, what
does that mean? For me, that is about realizing
that we are, as you said, we areone in the sense of our source
is the same, right? We evolved from plants, we are
animals, right? So I have a certain amount of
plantness to a certain extent inme.
I have that part of me that is presence and stillness that is
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sessile, that that is grounded into what I do.
And there's an exchange of many.There's a reciprocal exchange
that's happening not just at thefood level, but breath, right
There is the shared oxygen and carbon dioxide that we're
sharing back and forth. There is the food perspective.
There's an electromagnetic exchange that's happening
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because that grounding feeling Ihave when I step on the earth
with without any kind of shoes is an electromagnetic exchange
that's happening between my bodyand the plant.
So being and reconnecting back to nature is realizing and
feeling inside of yourself that you are a being of nature and
therefore you're in exchange. Now, for people that it happens,
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you know, it happens in different ways.
That is what wakens that whole communication, right?
I can exchange with an animal. I can exchange with a plant.
I can have conversation in whatever form that takes.
That might be a feeling. It might be a literal like
almost telepathic conversation. It might be a guidance that you
feel you're receiving. It might be that nervous system
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that calms down when I smell allof those terpenes or those
volatile organic compounds that plants give off, right?
I breathe those in and my cortisol level drops.
That's all because I'm in relation, right, with the
plants. So once I recognize myself as a
being of nature and I allow myself to then step back into
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those natural cycles. Right now where I live, we're
getting into winter time, right?The fall has been and is for
nature in general, a period of double check your nourishment.
Bring in the things that have nourished you throughout this
year. And that's where you see when
you see leaves change color, what's happening is that the
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chlorophyll is being pulled backinto the plant.
And any kind of nourishment thatthe plant might be able to use
during the winter season is actually being pulled back into
the plant. And what you're seeing, those
yellows and Reds and vibrant oranges are actually other
compounds that the plant has always had, but during the
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winter time doesn't need. And so the plant allows that to
stay in the leaves and then thatgets composted down.
So as a human being, how beautiful to take this time
because I am also a being of nature.
I'm in a place right now where I'm in autumn and I'm heading
into winter. So I'm finishing that period,
right? I have another week left before
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the solstice. I'm finishing that period of
bringing that nourishment back. I'm slowing down.
I'm starting to look at my life and start to think about what do
I need to bring? What are the foods that need to
change because my digestion is going to change in this period.
So I get back into that rhythm and during the winter, I also
know that it's a time for reflection.
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It's a time for me to use my internal nourishment.
I don't need to build out new projects right now.
I can conceptualize them. I can start to design them, but
I don't have the energy to like really do them because that's
not what the season is for. So stepping closer, you know,
moving into all of these naturalcycles, that gives us permission
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to recognize I take a nap in themiddle of the day because that's
what my natural rhythm is like, right?
My natural rhythm works in this way.
I slow down during the, you know, holiday season because
that's a natural winter cycle for those of us that live in
places that have winter in this period of time.
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So all of these small little changes that happen when I
recognize that I'm a being of nature and that I can tap back
into these universal processes and feel that unity
consciousness that you were talking about earlier as a part
of me. So I'm always simultaneously 3
things. I am an observer of nature, I am
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a participant in nature and I amnature.
And when I can live these three,I can move from those different
points of view with ease. And that allows me to navigate
my day not so much from my thought and my discipline.
And you must do it this way and you have to be focused.
But more from, oh, at this period of the day, I'm really
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active. And in this period of the day, I
take a nap. And in this period of the day,
I'm strategic. And in this period of the day,
I'm more creative. And in this period of day, I
like to talk. And in this period of the day, I
don't like to talk. You start to realize that those
are natural cycles of yourself, and you accept them rather than
try to fight them. Again, very, very powerful way
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to say that. And I think as you're saying it
too, like I can, I'm, I'm visualizing it, you know, and,
and there's so many things you can do with connecting.
And I think you said grounding, like grounding's a big thing.
I know grounding really powerful.
I think even something like this, like as you're talking,
what I'm kind of seeing is like it's a connecting with nature
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isn't a binary, it's a continuum.
It's not, I've connected with nature.
It's how connected are you? And for someone who is
connecting or wanting to connectmore, because again, now we live
in a day and age where AI is bigger than it's ever been, you
know, people are more distractedand disconnected than they've
ever been. What's a practical way or like
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just a process that people can really do to take these steps
into their own hands to really connect with with nature today
if they wanted to? Yeah, I always say that the best
is to just take a minute with a houseplant, with the grass in
front of your house, with something that's growing out of
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the sidewalk crack. You know, there's so many
different a street tree. It doesn't have to be like, I
need to go pack and go camping into the middle of nowhere.
Great, if you can do it. Not necessary.
Even just stopping with your house plant, right?
You know, you have this beautiful plant.
You have a plant in your background, right?
And stopping and taking a momentwhen you're really stressed out
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and just breathing together, like imagining that as you
breathe in, consciously calling in the oxygen that this plant is
giving. And as you breathe out, feel
yourself giving carbon dioxide that the plant then takes in and
step back into that reciprocal exchange.
Feel that harmony. Even if you just do it for 2
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minutes, 2 minutes is all it takes.
You know, if you can do it for if you can do it for 20, even
better. But even just two minutes is
fantastic. And that helps you retap.
We don't have to go so far out. We can start to kind of activate
that biophilic, that love of nature connection that we have
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through small simple things. Even as I'm you know, we're,
we're doing audio, but you, I can see you because we have a
video on and I can see for example, I'll give you a great
example. It sounds so silly, but but the
lamp behind you, as you notice, has a pattern on it, right?
Which means the light that comesout of it isn't a stark light,
it's a light that is dampered. It has like a shape that is very
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much a natural connection to light that you would experience.
If I go outside and then the light comes through the leaves,
right, I have that. So that already starts to
trigger pieces of meat. It reactivates my own natural
way of being so light that movesin some ways in a very gentle
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way. Simple breath with plants, and
if you have the opportunity, like you said, take off your
shoes and put your feet onto theground, even if your ground is
relatively not. I have marble, right?
But it's marble. It's a natural element.
So unless your floor is something really contrived, but
if it's, you know, tile, if it'ssomething even just remotely
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natural, put your feet there andfeel, even if it's cold or if
it's hot, like these teeny tiny things that you can do anywhere
will already shift the way that you interact with the rest of
your day. Practical and simple.
It's, you know, a master is a master of the basics, right?
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And I think like you're saying alot of people it's, it's a very
all or nothing. It's like, oh, you want me to
connect with nature? OK, I need to go plan a seven
day trip where it's like, no, you can just spend 2 minutes
with any of the plants in your house.
Or if you don't have any plants in the house and just go stand
outside in your backyard or yourfront yard.
Like you don't have to, you know, really go anywhere.
So I know you speak a lot about plant intelligence and I and I
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want you to kind of open this upa little bit here.
I know you speak a lot about having plant intelligence as a
guide. What does that, what does that
mean? Like what does a practical
relationship look like with that?
Yeah. So that can mean depending on
how you want to approach it, right.
So plants inherently have a series of we, they don't have
brains, right. So neuro neuroscientists, if
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you're listening, I apologize toyou because you're not going to
get it but try. Which is the idea that every
single being has their own form of intelligence, right?
We know plants have all the same5 senses we do, plus they have
about another 15 other senses. So we know they take in
information, we know they have memory and can hold that
information. We know they can process and
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have decision making process from that information.
In other words, they can take ininformation, they can connect
that to their past information, and then they can make decisions
for the future based on about that.
These are just some of the simple pieces that we've already
learned about. And so plants have a very
different logic because their logic is based on I'm sessile,
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right? I can't move, I can't run away
because plants can move, but they don't run away.
We as humans, unfortunately, have been conditioned to run
away from our problems because we have legs.
Plants can't do that. So they've had to develop a way
to be extremely aware while at the same time selective of the
their use of the information that's coming their way.
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So on the one hand, extremely open.
And when we start to work with aplant, and I'll get to how in a
minute, once I start to work to the plant, I start to learn how
to expand my senses while not going into overwhelm because I
can be selective on how I chooseto bring that information in.
Also, plants teach us even if you just work with plants.
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So you can work with plants as mentors, as models, and as
collaborators. So let's go to models because I
think it's the easiest for most people to grasp.
Think about all the things a plant does, adapting to
different forms of temperature and changes to their environment
relatively quickly. I mean, if anybody who has a
house plant, who is probably a tropical plant and you've
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brought into your winter Wonderland in Canada and that
survives, you know that that plan has learned how to adapt.
So there's many different modelsthat a plant is developing in
order to be able to adapt, to make decisions and such that we
can then work with as beings of nature.
That takes us out of our human conditioning, which is usually
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based on what's in it for me andfear, a lot more fear than
anything else. So this already gives me into it
gives me new models for dealing with the world.
Also new relationships. As humans, we think about things
like I love you, you're my girlfriend, boyfriend, you know,
friend of 1000 years or my parent or familial or these
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types of things. Plants have lots of other
relationships, parasitism, predation, commensalisms like
collaboration, of which they have no stigma around.
They're built on what is best for that moment, what is best
for what's happening in the ecosystem and for the ones that
they're interacting with that. So that gives us a whole other
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set of models to help us feel more comfortable in the things
that we do without putting all of this labeling on it.
And so one easy way to start working with plants is that
right? How do I look at those models
and say, how do those models apply to me and where can I
interact with them? And then you can keep building
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on that like plants as mentors, So specific plants that you then
maybe give you information. Again, coming through those
senses that I might not know, but just breathing in those, all
of those organic compounds that they put out, I'm already
receiving from them. It might trigger biological
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pieces of me, but it also is triggering other pieces that I
might not have recognized also. So even that.
And then you can get on to plantcommunication, for example, and
many different people who receive messages.
And I believe because we're beings of nature, we all have
the ability to do that. And for example, this morning,
I, I have a plant that you can'tsee on camera, but is my
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business partner. And so we sit and we do strategy
meetings and I, you know, sit and I connect and then I listen
and I allow my body to receive from this plant.
And, you know, sometimes it's automatic writing, sometimes
it's movement in a feeling. It comes in a lot of different
ways. And I also teach many of these
different aspects and work with it in my coaching of How do you
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start to realize that the answers to the questions that I
have are myself? I have knowledge, but I can also
merge that knowledge with all the other beings that are around
me. Yeah, this is a a very
interesting and I feel like we could spend so much time on this
here, this one topic because I feel like it's refreshing in
today's day and age. And I think it's necessary.
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And I think the world is coming back to a time where
connectedness and consciousness is going to really tap in.
And you know, we can get into like the 3D and the 5D and the
separation and all of those things.
But I do want to just quickly segues apart here because I
mean, we talked about your storyand how you had hands in so many
different, you know, jars. And then you realize that, you
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know, what it is is you can be aJack of all trades and that's a
good thing and it's a powerful thing and you can really do
that. So what happens after?
So like, what was that journey for you?
And then now what do you like? How did you get to where you are
today and what is it that you dotoday?
So that's, it's so much fun because I, I get excited about
it because again, working with plants helped me put it all
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together. So in when, when you study
something like, for example, biomimicry, which is bio inspired
design and you can I do I have amaster's in digital future.
So it's plants, social innovation and design.
And so I love social innovation.Like I said, even though math
was my my Forte for so long, it's been the social kind of
parts that has always excited me.
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I love human relations and such.And when you start looking at
something like ecosystems, for example, and I start to think
about it from an ecosystem design perspective, many species
have what in bio mimicry is called a deep pattern.
It is the form of expression like 1 main pattern that when
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you recognize that pattern, you no longer have to create 1000
different rules. You can create a very small set
of rules that allow that patternto show.
So an example that often gets used that I think is such a
brilliant way of putting it is swarms of birds, beautiful birds
moving in these complex patterns, right?
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If you look up at a sky, at a swarm of birds or a school of
fish, they're moving in such interesting ways because they
have one rule, only one. The rule is the distance between
their partners from one side to the other, right?
The distance to whom's next to me.
So what happens is as a bird moves, the one next to says, oh,
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I got to stay with you. And then as that bird moves,
then the other say, oh, I got tostay with you.
And this creates super complex movement and allows them to
travel long distances, staying very compact together with one
rule. So once you recognize yourself
as a being of nature, you start to realize that you probably
have a deep pattern that you follow as well.
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For example, my pattern that putall these different pieces
together. And it's one of the things I
help my clients discover is my pattern is I'm a bridge.
In other words, at a very high level, I mean, it gets more
detailed than that. I'm always looking to bridge
from A to B. So that might be taking a client
from where they are to who they want to be.
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It might be taking a project from beginning to end, which
means I'm a better project manager than an in depth feature
person. When I worked at Microsoft and
they tried to put me into a feature, I could not do it but
give me a project to release. Even I used to work in Windows.
I loved it because I could look at how do I help people bridge
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their gaps and move to the places that they need to go to.
When I started to go back in my life, I used to always say that
one of my favorite things to do is I love to make other people's
dreams come true because I'm a bridge.
I accompany you from one place to the other.
I don't have to be the innovatorof the idea.
I don't have to be the one that figures out all of the like
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mechanics. I want to be there to bring the
whole thing across or the personacross.
So that's my deep pattern. And once I started to realize
that it didn't matter what the heck I was doing when I worked
with R.E.M, when I was at Microsoft, when I was with
Cirque du Soleil, when I had my own event production company,
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when I was working here in Dom and her on our projects.
Like it doesn't matter what I doas long as I'm always
experiencing it as the the bridge.
That is the thing that connects everything and allows me to not
have to think about discipline or focus.
Because I know that I'm always expressing the best part of me
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in that way. And that's my ecosystem design.
So a lot of the work I do is helping people discover that
ecosystem design. And because I have such a varied
background, I don't care where you're working.
You can be in corporate, you canbe in tech.
And I might talk a lot about nature, and I do, and I spend a
lot of time in nature, but I'm atech girl at heart.
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You know, I've been in tech since I was 20 something years
old, 23 years old. So I've been in tech a very long
time, right? I've saw the birth of the
Internet and how everything grew, and I participated in the
AI world when it was machine learning.
Like I have been in this world along time.
I don't try to tell you to get out of it.
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I try to help you live it as a being of nature so that you can
enjoy it without getting yourself sick, without burning
out, without feeling like you have to conform to a bunch of
rules that don't fit you, and where you feel like no matter
where you are in that ever changing world, because man does
the world change fast. Now your deep pattern expresses
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itself, so you don't actually care what you're doing.
You just care that you're doing it because you're doing it in a
way that fills you, right? How different is this to
something like human design for example?
The thing about human, so human design is human focused and
there's the the problem with it that unfortunately you have that
fear model injected into it to acertain extent.
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And human design, you know, fromthe perspective of helps you
understand your pattern. So it does help you understand a
lot of aspects. The deep pattern goes beyond it,
encompasses it. And I guess that's the also part
of it being a multi potentialitemeans you can like on a
projector, right? So I knowing that I'm a
projector, knowing that I need to be asked, right?
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I need to have that happen. I tell my friends like I feel
comfortable enough because that's my nature to say to my
friend. I mean, I remember calling one
of my friends one day and I said, listen to me.
I want to cook for you. Like I would love to have you
come over my house. I am never going to invite you
because I need you to invite yourself.
I need you to invite me to things because my human design
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is this thing. So if I'm going to bridge this
gap because I'm a bridge, the way I bridge the gap is by
telling people what I need. I don't feel bad for having to
have the invitation, and I also don't need will you do this?
I can see the broad invitation because I know my deep pattern
connected to my human design, connected to my astrology,
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connected to this or that or theother.
So it allows me to see a bigger ecosystem project, right?
Like how all these different threads of the ecosystem work
in. And I don't feel bad about the
fact that that's who I am. I don't try to change the idea
that I need an invitation. I tell people I need this.
So if you want me to work on a project, I'm most likely not
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going to just start it. I need you to invite me.
I think that's extremely well said and golden gem for people
that are listening because it's one thing to know your human
desire. I myself as a projector as well.
And so for me, I get that you need the invitation, right?
We need it because the hardest thing for us are not self theme
is the bitterness, right? And so the thing that we hate
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the most is when we provide information or insights to
people and it goes, you know, unheard.
And it stresses me out honestly.And I get to a point where it's
like, I want to help and I can help you, but like unless you
ask or if I do share and you didn't, then there's always that
discrepancy, right? So I love this as like the deep
pattern as the thing to really help understand because that's
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the missing piece for a lot of people.
They might know their human design and it's this and that's
helpful. But then how do you then like
yours is bridging the gap. But some people aren't that
focused. Like for me, it's hard to bridge
the gap because I don't naturally go to that right?
To just explain and communicate what it is.
So I think this is helpful and Ithink for a lot of people, if
you are like, I think this sort of work could be useful like you
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said, for anyone because you have a unique background in just
about everything, right? So pretty incredible.
It's what I've always, it's whatI've always loved and I I love
that it takes a it working in this way and really
understanding myself as, as natural, just even just using
that term beyond reconnection tonature and all these things.
The fact that I am natural meansthat I stopped at some point
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when I started working with plants this deeply, I stopped
looking for the thing to get ridof about myself and I started
asking the question differently,How do I use that?
Where do I use that? Like where is that useful to me?
Even if it's destructive or whether or whatever it is.
Like the questions start to shift because you stop thinking,
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oh, something's wrong with me. This is a trauma response.
This is even if it is, that's natural because when you hit a
tree, right? I'm reading a book.
I have a plant wisdom book club and I'm reading a book right now
where it's about, it's called the tree and it's about a
specific Douglas fir. And the author was saying how
the tree has a really crooked sort of trunk.
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And one day he finally realized because he's a zoologist, so
he's an animal person. He's like, why am I writing a
book about a tree? He's like, because I started to
really observe and connect with this tree in a different way.
And he says, one of the things Inoticed is that the tree has
this very unusual shape, which means, wait a minute, when I
think about the birth of this tree, which the tree was born
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around the time of Shakespeare, the tree that the angle that I'm
used to getting from, you know, what, at one part of my land to
another part was actually much steeper, which means the tree
had to adapt in order to grow up.
So that's why there's this giant.
And then the land, because he went back changed again.
And there was another kind of direction and then my house was
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built and my property and stuff.So that has a different
direction. So this is the tree has this
strange shape because the trees had to adapt to that
environment. Now when I look at that, do I
think something is wrong with the tree?
No, but the tree experienced 3 forms of trauma, right?
If I want to use human terms, it's using 3 forms of trauma.
But that the plant doesn't say, oh, I have to get rid of this
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bend. The plant incorporates the bend
in and finds a way to be healthyand strong and whatever using
what was learned from that bend.Imagine if we could do that,
Stop trying to just eliminate things and instead said what did
I get from this and what can I use?
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Yeah, I love that because, again, we live in such a day and
age where it's like, I wish I wasn't so lazy, or I wish I had
better discipline or I wish I had all these things.
And it's like, yeah, but you arethe way that you are for a
reason. If you learn to, they're kind of
like your gifts, right? It makes you uniquely you.
And I love the idea of connecting with nature and
shifting. It's like shifting your internal
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perspective and the narratives to understand that those things
sure, in this sort of limelight in like way that you're looking
at it doesn't fit, but where else could that be useful?
This has been incredible for thelistener that gets all the way
here. What is like your favorite, like
finals kind of send off message to those that this is kind of
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like if they get to this point, if they didn't take anything
away, which I don't know how they could have from this entire
thing, but if they didn't take anything away, what would that
one final send off be to leave the listeners with here today?
The most important thing for me is to recognize that you are
natural. Every thought that comes through
your mind, every feeling that you have, every experience that
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you have is completely natural and that you have the power to
decide how to use it. And that nature helps us find
that definition, and that definition is constantly going
to be changing. Also, the idea that you're not
static, so you're natural, you're constantly changing, and
everything about you can be useful in the right context.
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So I often say in the right duration, the right dosage and
the right direction, and you canuse anything about yourself.
I love that. That's such a great message to
Korea. This has been incredible work.
Can the listeners find more about you, what you're up to,
and connect with you going forward?
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The positive of having an unusual name means that I'm
basically at Tigria Gardenia, which I'm sure you know.
You'll tell them how to spell iteverywhere.
So.com at Facebook, at Instagram, at LinkedIn, like all
of it is just at Tigri. I got Danny on YouTube.
I have a podcast as well, which is Reconnect with plant Wisdom,
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but you'll find that also on my website.
So super easy. I'll leave all the links down
below. I highly recommend going and
checking it out and there's justso many things that you can
really take away from this. And yeah, this has been such a
pleasure. Thank you so much for being on
and for the listener, of course.Thank you so much for being
active, tuning in and sharing the show.
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We're currently in 37 countries and growing.
So super exciting. Love seeing the growth of it
all. Thank you so much and as always,
I'll catch you on the next one. You enjoy today's episode,
please like, comment, share, subscribe to it all.
You know, I appreciate it. And as always, I'll catch you on
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the next.
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