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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay.
So when you picture these big,famous universities you know the
grand buildings, ivy walls itfeels like they're just these
separate academic places.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Right, Self-contained
little worlds almost.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Exactly, but here's
something that might surprise
you A lot of these prestigiousschools.
They're actually huge playersin real estate, like quietly
owning massive parts of thecities they're in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's a really
fascinating angle, isn't it?
Almost hidden.
You think Harvard, oxford,stanford.
You immediately think, okay,research students lectures.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, the academic
side.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
But the sources we're
looking at today show they're
also well serious landholders,strategic investors.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
So that's our mission
for this deep dive, yeah, To
kind of unpack how much they own, what they do with it and what
it all means looking beyond justthe campus gates.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Precisely.
We want to explore their roles.
As you know, landlords anddevelopers, shapers of the urban
landscape, often behind thescenes.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, because we see
the university rankings but
maybe not the propertyportfolios.
Hopefully by the end you'll seethat local university maybe in
a whole new light.
Okay, so let's get into it.
Why?
Why are universities so deepinto owning land?
What's the main appeal?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Well, the sources
point to a few key things I mean
.
First off, it's about long-termstability.
Real estate, especially rentingit out, provides this
predictable income stream, rents, leases, it's steady.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Right, steadier than
maybe, say, donations or
research grants, which canfluctuate.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Exactly.
It's a financial base thatisn't solely dependent on those
things.
And then there's the reallysimple fact that land,
particularly in, you know,growing urban areas, tends to
get more valuable over time.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Basic appreciation A
classic long-term investment.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Totally.
It helps build theinstitution's wealth for decades
down the line.
It's not just about havingspace for labs and dorms.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
So it's an active
strategy for financial growth,
not just housing the universityitself.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Precisely Our sources
really emphasize this.
Owning property acts as a kindof cushion, a buffer against
wider economic downturns.
It's a tangible asset whenthings get uncertain.
Plus, think about it If you owna lot of land in a city, you
naturally get a say, a prettybig say, in city planning and
(02:17):
how neighborhoods develop aroundyou.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So they become
influencers, shaping their own
environment.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
As one source put it, land isreally a strategic asset.
It's crucial for theirlong-term financial health,
their stability.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay.
So they're not just passivelyholding it, they're actively
using it.
Let's look at some examples.
Harvard maybe they got thatmassive endowment.
What?
Over $50 billion.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, $50.7 billion
the richest university in the
world.
But their land game inMassachusetts is well, it's
equally impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And it's managed by a
separate entity, right to focus
on returns.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's right, the
Harvard Management Company.
They handle the investments,including the real estate, and
their goal is maximizing thosereturns.
And what's really interestingis how far their holdings spread
beyond just the main Cambridgecampus.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh, really Like where
.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
They own thousands of
acres across Cambridge, but
also Alston and other nearbyareas.
And this isn't just empty landit's biotech labs, commercial
offices, apartment buildings.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And the sources
mention that Alston expansion
quite a bit.
That sounds like a big deal.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh, it is.
It's a key example.
They're basically building thiswhole new technology and
innovation district over there,so not just collecting rent, but
actively developing, exactlyShaping a new economic hub which
, you know, in turn makes alltheir surrounding property even
more valuable.
It really shows how centralreal estate is to their whole
long-term financial strategy.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Okay, let's hop
across the Atlantic Oxford
University in the UK.
Their main endowment is smaller, maybe eight billion dollars,
but you mentioned the structurethere is different.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, it's a bit more
complex.
Well, the Central Universityhas its own funds.
A huge amount of the wealth andproperty at Oxford is actually
held by the individual colleges.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Ah, the colleges
themselves like separate little
entities.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Pretty much.
Many are centuries old withtheir own substantial assets and
they own some serious propertyall over the UK, but especially
like prime real estate incentral London.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
London.
Wow, the source mentioned StJohn's College, specifically
controlling parts of the WestEnd.
That's incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It really is.
St John's owns chunks of theWest End, renting it out to you
know high-end shops, developers,big money there.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Does that kind of
ownership give them more than
just cash?
Like influence?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You'd have to assume
so, wouldn't you?
But beyond St John's, theOxford colleges collectively own
all sorts Farmland retailblocks, historic houses up and
down the country.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Generating millions
each year.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yep, it makes Oxford,
through its colleges, this kind
of diffuse but really powerfulforce in the UK property market,
often unseen.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, let's zoom back
to the US Stanford.
Their campus alone is massive,right 8,000 acres.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Huge, one of the
largest university campuses
anywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
But the really
mind-blowing part from the
sources is what's on that land,Silicon Valley?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I mean, that's
just incredible foresight, isn't
it?
The founders decided way backwhen to hold onto ownership of
all this land.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And now.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And now a huge chunk
of Silicon Valley.
The absolute global epicenterof tech is sitting right on
Stanford land.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So all those famous
tech companies, Google, Palantir
, they're essentially Stanford'stenants.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Many of them are yes.
Stanford leases out large areasto these massive firms.
Plus, you've got thrivingbiotech parks, research centers,
all on their land.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
The income from that
must be astronomical, given
Silicon Valley prices.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Absolutely enormous
Long-term leases in one of the
most valuable real estatemarkets on the planet.
It's a perfect illustration ofhow land ownership translates
into immense, enduring financialpower.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, east Coast
again, columbia University, new
York City.
They've got a big endowment too, $13 billion or so.
But the sources talk a lotabout their Manhattan real
estate Over 200 buildings.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, they have a
very significant footprint in
Manhattan and it goes wellbeyond their main campus up in
Morningside Heights.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And the key example
there seems to be the
Manhattanville expansion, WestHarlem.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's right.
It's this huge multi-decadeproject where they're
essentially building a whole newcampus, transforming this
historically working class areainto a major academic and
research zone.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That sounds
potentially controversial.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Well, it certainly
has been.
From Columbia's perspective,it's progress, necessary
expansion for a world-classuniversity.
But, as you can imagine, it'salso raised a lot of concerns
from community groups aboutthings like gentrification,
displacement, changing theneighborhood's character.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So it really
highlights the direct impact
these university real estatestrategies can have on the
surrounding city.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Exactly.
It brings those tensions rightto the surface Institutional
growth versus community impact.
It's a really clear example ofthe broader consequences.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yale and New Haven
Similar story of being deeply
embedded in the city's realestate.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Very much so.
Yale isn't just the biggestemployer in New Haven, it's also
one of the biggest landlords.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Really Through a
specific entity.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yep, they have
something called university
properties.
It owns a whole mix of thingsDowntown office buildings,
apartments, shops, even hotels.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And the sources
mention the strategy of like
gradually buying a blocks aroundthe campus over time.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, over decades,
they've steadily acquired
property surrounding the maincampus, effectively reshaping
parts of the downtown area.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Which again could
have knock on effects.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
For sure.
While it can definitely helprevitalize some areas, it also
leads to those familiarquestions about rising rents,
affordability for residents whoaren't connected to Yale.
It's that constant balancingact.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Let's jump overseas
again.
University of Tokyo.
Now, Tokyo is famously tight onspace and incredibly expensive,
right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Extremely Land there
is scarce and commands premium
prices.
So for the University of Tokyoto have significant real estate
holdings, it's a massive asset.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
How massive.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, one source even
suggested that the value of
their land might actually beworth more than their entire
endowment.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Wow, that tells you
something about the strategic
importance of that land.
What do they do with it?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They primarily sublet
it to research groups, tech
companies, developers.
It's a major income generatorfor them.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So it provides that
financial stability we talked
about earlier.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Exactly generator for
them.
So it provides that financialstability we talked about
earlier.
Exactly In a really competitiveeconomy like Japan's, having
these land assets gives them ahuge amount of economic
resilience and stability.
It underpins their long-termfuture.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
OK, one last example
University of Melbourne in
Australia.
They seem to be taking things astep further, almost acting
like developers themselves.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, that's a key
point from the sources.
Melbourne isn't just sitting onproperty.
They're actively developinglarge-scale projects across the
city.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
What kind of projects
?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Mixed-use
developments, things that
combine, say, apartments, shops,academic buildings and
commercial office space all inone, a bit like maybe what
Harvard is doing in Alston, butperhaps even more widespread.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And they manage this
through separate companies.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That's right.
They use private real estatedevelopment businesses to run
these ventures.
It allows them to manage thesecomplex projects, generate
steady income and really expandtheir physical footprint and
influence across Melbourne.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So it's a very
proactive, integrated strategy.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Very much so,
leveraging assets to the full.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay.
So, stepping back and lookingat all these examples Harvard,
oxford, stanford, columbia, yale, tokyo, melbourne it's
undeniable, isn't it?
The wealthiest universities arealso serious real estate
players.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The pattern is
crystal clear from the sources.
They aren't just centers oflearning, they're major
landholders, strategic investors, savvy developers in many cases
.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And that real estate
gives them so much steady income
protection against economicrisk.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And significant
influence way beyond the campus
walls.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It really makes you
rethink things For a lot of
these institutions.
You get the sense that theirland holdings are just as
fundamental to their power andlong-term stability.
As you know, tuition fees ordonations from alumni.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I think that's
absolutely right.
So the next time you're walkingthrough a university area,
maybe pause and think you're notjust in a college town.
You could be standing right inthe middle of a
multibillion-dollar real estateoperation.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It is a surprising
reality, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
These pillars of
education are also well property
titans.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And when you really
think about the scale of it all,
the sheer amount of land andproperty they control in major
cities, it does raise a bigfinal thought, doesn't it?
Well, given how much they ownand how much they shape the
urban environment, what aretheir responsibilities?
How should we think about therole of these universities, not
just as educators, but as majorlandowners within our cities?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Hmm, that's a really
important question.
Definitely something to mullover.