April 30, 2024 • 44 mins
Have you ever stood in front of a mirror, grappling with the reflection that stares back? Join me as I raise a toast to the untold stories of beauty and the black woman's experience. Together with my guests, Nahdya and Bobbie, we unlock the vault of personal narratives, from Nahdya's nurturing affirmations of her skin color by her mother to Bobbie's poignant tales of feeling othered in a predominantly white neighborhood. We unravel the complex tapestry of societal expectations and self-acceptance, and share how our family matriarchs — grandmothers and mothers alike — have shaped our notions of dignity, worth, and beauty in the most profound ways.
Host KC Carnage (@iamkccarnage), Bobbie Riley (@@bobbierileybeauty) , and Nahdya Weathers (@nahdyaweathers)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The beauty standards.
You think this phase of, likeBBLs and like Tommy Tux and,
like you know, lipo and all thatstuff would like die.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I truly hope that the women that have sacrificed
their life to alter their bodiesthat it doesn't go out of style
, they don't have long-termhealth issues.
But who's to say it's whatfalls into your algorithm
ultimately like is what you'regonna see.
But I can understand from awoman's perspective.
That's like I don't feel likeI'm perfect and I'm seeing all
(00:32):
of these like filtered images,airbrushed images.
The reality is, no one lookslike that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What up, what up, what up, welcome to that said,
that's all.
And today, you know, I got mygirls on the show.
We have Nadia of ChatWergyDMAGand we have Bobby Riley of Bobby
Riley Beauty, hello.
And today, you know, I havebeen very blessed with some
beautiful friends, notnecessarily always physically
beautiful, but also inner beauty, and that's really what's
(01:30):
important to me.
People shine the way they shine, and you got a lot of them to
do that, because we ain't tryingto dim the way these lights
around here.
But I do want to talk about thestandard of beauty and how it
affects black women, especiallyin our, you know, our daily, our
professional life, all that.
And you know I happen to havetwo individuals here, that one
is a makeup artist and one talksabout fashion and beauty all
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the time, whether she's vloggingabout it or she's going to
events about it.
So I thought this was a greattopic to talk about it with my
girls.
But before we do that, let'ssay cheers, guys, cheers, cheers
.
How y'all doing today?
I can't reach you, bobby butcheers air, cheers air cheers.
Um.
So my first question to youguys is did you always feel
(02:15):
beautiful and if not, why?
My god, what a loaded question.
I know I'm getting into it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
My mom forced me to really like look at the things
that I loved about myself, and Igot made fun of a lot in school
for being so dark skin and Igrew up in Atlanta, so it was
kind of like what, where youmaking the same color like what
are you talking about?
That's right.
But because we traveled a lot,I got to see other, different
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kinds of people and other peoplewho appreciated my skin tone.
That was really like the mainthing.
Like I'm in third grade, I waswearing heels but like as far as
my skin complexion, that wasalways the thing that I had
insecurities about.
But my mom was like, oh no,we're nipping that in the bud
real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I feel that, I feel that how about you, bobby?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wow, it's such a loaded question because I think
part of me, I would say I thinkin in in childlike form I was so
innocent to like the world andI didn't really care about those
things.
I don't think I was soconcerned with my beauty.
But I would say like my mom wasmy beauty standard, which was
like impossible, like she didn'twear any makeup.
She had like long boned,straight, like Pocahontas hair,
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the most beautiful skin, likeall she wore was lipstick.
So it was just it.
That was kind of a lot for meand she was very like had a
great body, a great form and Iwas like the chubby kid in my
family.
So I think like for me, I thinkexternally it felt, I guess,
unattainable because I grew upin Virginia Beach, I was like
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one of the only black girls inmy school and you know, like my
mom has this beautiful, perfecthair, my hair is like curly and
like shrivels up, like theshrinkage was crazy.
I don't know, I was like I waschubby, so I think I think like
I wasn't concerned about that asmuch as I am now as a kid, but
I feel like there were a lot ofinsecurities just because of
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where I grew up in, like mysurrounding.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
No, I feel that I grew up in the suburbs in New
Jersey and I have to say likethere was a time.
Okay, but I guess this questionis loaded for myself too,
because I never not feltbeautiful.
But I didn't feel beautiful, ifthat makes sense, because it
was always that thing like mybest friend.
She was a light-skinned woman,like like red bone, but in my
family my family's a littledarker, but I was the lightest
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one in my family, like my like.
If I just show you like, like,like um baby pictures and stuff
like that, you would think I wasgonna be like skinning and like
God had other plans, which isfine.
I love my black, don't get mewrong.
But like I guess and I wouldcompare myself to her a lot
because it was just like we'd bein a room and they would
immediately jar attention weboth sang she's a dancer and it
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was like, well, I, you know, hi,me too.
So it's like as a child youlearn to like you have let.
Once you grow up, you learn tolike stand on your own and
recognize who you are.
But as a child you are walkingaround comparing yourself to
other people, what other peoplelook like, who's getting the
most attention?
Like I remember I asked my momfor a perm just because I wanted
my hair straight because girlthe shrinkage is real.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Like it is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So, yeah, I would have to say that's a real thing,
that I asked everybody or atleast you know, at least to you
guys, to the audience as welllike when we were talking about
ourselves and our standard ofbeauty.
It does come a lot from theoutside, and my next question
and I think Nadia alreadyanswered hers was Um, was there
positive, positive influencesaround you to reassure you that
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your black is beautiful?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I didn't.
So I didn't know I was blackuntil I liked a boy, because I
in Elementary school I grew uparound a lot of white people, so
I didn't even have tounderstand the concept of like,
oh, you're black until likefirst grade or something like
that, and I was like, wait, whatI am?
And it was just kind of like.
(06:02):
When I moved to Atlanta I Iactually had black friends and
Even then it was still like a orher hair straighter, or like
her curls are more Bouncy or youknow, like looser.
So I don't know for me I wasjust trying to Accept the things
(06:25):
that I liked about myself whichI was getting at home.
But it's come.
It's completely different whenyou go to school and you're like
, okay, I'm like, am I?
It is?
What is what my mom's istelling me, true?
So it's kind of like, you know,a little uncomfortable because
of that.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I feel that I feel like in my household If I
would say I wouldn't necessarilylike it was beautiful.
Like the women in my householdwere like worker bees like we.
They weren't like the glamsquad, like they weren't like
that's not what my women in myfamily were.
They were like get a job, makesure you can take care of
yourself.
And my grandmother was a nurse,worked 40 hours late, but my
grandma's hair was a late Okay,that's one thing she did not
(07:03):
play about.
She had that pressing curlevery two weeks and my
grandmother was very beautiful,like she was, you know, very
thin, like she.
Just she was a super southernbell, so like literally she
walked in her room.
It like who's Nancy, who's that, whatever.
But like my, the women in my, Ihad to like, learn like glam
and like Things like that myself, because that's not what the
women in my family were like.
(07:24):
We were beautiful, but like ina different version of what,
like I guess people expect thatto be.
What was your positive?
Do you have any positiveinfluences?
Like I know you said talk aboutyour mom.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah.
So there's this book that myparents it was like a book and a
song and my parents gave it tome Because I was really attached
to my grandmother who's my NanaHer name is Bobby and we she
would.
She watched me.
She was like what people wouldconsider like a nanny, you know.
I mean, that was the personthat watched me.
My parents weren't home and it'scalled there are no mirrors in
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my Nana's house and it's likethis, this book, and it was by a
black author and it wasbasically saying because, like,
the beauty that I Saw wasthrough her, what she saw.
And I think that that was likemy most positive influence.
My mom she read a tight ship,like we were.
We had to be in shape, we hadto have our hair done.
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Always, we always had like thegood outfits.
I think it's just because oflike going to private school,
like they.
My mom probably didn't wantpeople to like worry or be like
so, but she really read.
My mom really ran a tight shipand she was very cautious about
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my weight and just certainthings about me.
So I think what came mostnaturally to me as a positive
influence of beauty was justlike when I was around my Nana
and like the things that wewould do and just like just kind
of Not really viewing myselffrom a lens of like scrutiny.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Do you think like, like your?
Your mom was like the pressurecooker, and then your
grandmother let you breathe.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I feel that.
I feel, that a lot like I am.
That's kind of how my aunt waslike.
She was like the pressurecookie, like you Went to her
house.
It was a certain way Uh-huh, itwas a certain thing you had to
do and my uncle was like youknow, like judging jury, like to
this day, we're like what youknow to this day.
So I feel you and that, hasyour looks ever been challenged
(09:24):
by your counterparts, whether itwas professionally or
personally?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
um, I think.
So I have dated all differenttypes of men, mm-hmm, and but
most of them were not black,okay, and I had this thing about
, like my scarf and my bonnet,and it was just always like a
(09:55):
thing, what is that on your head?
What like?
And I didn't feel as Sexy orattractive because I'm going to
sleep with this thing on my head.
He's not used to that and andit's kind of like you know we're
getting into it.
It's like he's staring at it.
I can't wear this, my hair islike I gotta protect my hair my
(10:18):
edges, like you, know I gottaprotect it and you know,
sometimes it gets to the pointwhere, like I wrap my hair like
like wig cap and the scarf andthe bonnet you know it's multi
layered, it's serious.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that.
I feel that I don't know, likeI don't know if I guess the
challenge for me is that againit goes to the hair.
It's to the hair because I'mlike don't reach my hair like I
would feel like Okay.
So one of the reasons, why I?
Stopped wearing wigs Wasbecause if I wanted to like,
(10:53):
have sex or whatever, I would beafraid it would fall off and
I'd like again, like.
I did, I dated my race and I Ialways had this biggest fear
that, like if I knew I was goingto have sex, I needed to make
sure whatever my hair was doing,it was tacked down.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Because I would feel comfortable like I had that I
had that motion In the dark.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I'm like, look, leave me alone.
But like the challenges, it wasjust more so.
Like Asking, like why do I wearthis, or why do I have to do
this?
Or, like you know, likepressing my hair.
I was pressing my hair one dayand it was like smell, like you
know yeah, it was like oh, whywould you do that?
Why would you like, don't askme no questions like.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Thank you right.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You just enjoy the aftermath, okay.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, enjoy that aftermath.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But yeah, definitely was around my hair too.
I agree with that, yeah um, forme.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm trying to think of like if there's anything I'd
say, if anything, my environmenthas always shown me how
beautiful that I am.
And I mean I've only datedblack men.
I've actually I haven't had anyexperiences with any other
races.
To be honest, like when I wasin middle school, I like when I
lived in Atlanta I tried to datea white guy and he was like I
can't bring you home.
(12:17):
And I was like okay, so likefrom there.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It was like never doing that again.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And it wasn't like he was.
He didn't think I was beautiful.
It was like, yeah, like myparents straight up would not be
down for this, so I'm justgonna let you let you down easy.
And then I think from there Ijust was so scarfed from that
that I only really dated blackguys.
And no one has ever likequestioned like my scarf, my
pony tails, my random pony tailson the on the bureau.
(12:41):
I just said, like I was at myman's house I was like, oh babe,
I left my ponytail.
No, yeah, so I've very much sohad the opposite experience of
like Always feeling veryencouraged and like embraced, to
like be myself.
I am.
I do have like southerngrandparents, so I was raised
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like you.
You look good like when you'rearound your man.
So I'm like I've never I didn'tnecessarily like print so much,
like I didn't always havemakeup on or I don't always have
makeup I want around him, butlike seldomly does he see me
like in my like it's like after.
That's just the way that I wasjust sleep, yeah, like this is
(13:25):
just for sleep, and like if I'm,if I just got my hair pressed
or something like you know.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's what my hair out.
Have you had any of thoseexperiences?
Like professionally, like Iknow you work on set a lot, like
you're on set a lot, we're allin a lot.
So have you had any likeinstances where like yeah, that
side high you?
Like did something or like yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Actually, yes.
So I had a manager at adepartment store.
We're not gonna you know, we'renot gonna shame any department
stores in here.
I had a manager at a departmentstore that told me because I
would sometimes like, come, myhair was like kind of wet, I
would just throw it back, it'scurly, or like I would wear it
out or like whatever.
But I don't really wear thatmuch makeup Like this is how
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much makeup that I typicallywear on a regular, unless I'm
like going to an event, likewhen you guys met me at the
event like okay, I was like beat, but on a regular day, this is
probably the amount of makeupthat I'm wearing, just because I
like my skin to breathe.
I love my skin.
It's clear, like you know,people come up to me when I work
in a department store andthey're like what are you using
on your skin?
Like I was.
I was getting a lot of like youknow clients through that and
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they were.
They took me in the back andthey were like it's unacceptable
, like the way that you come towork, like your hair and your
makeup is just like not done tolike our standard, and that was
probably like it was really.
I was really confused because Iwas like I'm your beauty
stylist, like I'm your VIPstylist, like you should feel
confident in what I'm doing,like to make sales happen.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That was probably the only time which was really
interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I guess that kind of brings up.
I used to work at Abercrombie,but because I grew up a lot,
wait Abercrombie wasn't that?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
no, that was Hollister that did that whole.
What it was?
Abercrombie, abercrombie.
Yes, they have a wholedocumentary about the guy and
he's all like sticking with theguy and like how he was picking
people like specific like modeltight looks, he was like well
that there's a whole other part,but the whole thing was just
about like the beauty standardsin that show Like he was
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literally picking people,telling people that he had like
it was a whole thing.
But go ahead, abercrombie.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Well, because I grew up around a lot of white people,
I had already gone through likethe process of okay, well, my
hair needs to be straight and aslong as it's straight and I'm
wearing the Abercrombie clothesand I think that's it kind of
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made me who I am a little bit,but that was really the only
time.
But even then, like the girlwho I was interviewing with, oh
my God, I'm like, first off, donot know what you're
interviewing for, like this isone of those like they have a
look right.
But she came in just like not,I don't even she didn't look
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like she was going for a jobinterview in the first place,
but then to go to thisparticular interview and like
just the different, it was justlike wild.
But that was probably my onlyexperience and looking back on
it, it's like there was never amoment where I felt confident to
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wear my natural hair until Isaw our kind of people that show
and that was like came out acouple years ago.
So, like, I recently wentthrough that transition of
feeling like, wait, I can dothat with my hair.
Wait, hold up.
There's like a whole slew ofproducts Cause you know, I went
(17:00):
through the phase of like I feellike a child with my hair.
Is natural, I don't feel sexy.
You know it's shorter, oh,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
There's something about like straightening my hair
that just makes me feel likeBussy.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't know I always felt like the opposite, like,
even like okay.
So even though I wear likenatural hair styles, I don't
really wear my natural hair out,if that makes sense, like I
cause I like volume, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And my hair.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
When it's straight, it's straight.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Like it's no poof.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So I would feel like I like lose my face, I lose my
edge.
So I've always like I alwayslike curls.
But they did that something.
They needed to be a weave.
It wasn't like an afro orsomething, so I get that.
But I needed volume because myhair when it's straight is not
as voluminous as when it's likewhatever, and that's just the
shape of my face.
So that's what I kind ofgravitated to.
But I feel you like people willlook at you crazy and you're
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like this is just me, like letme live, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I would be like this is just who I am Like sometimes,
like my hair used to be reallylong and black and so, like when
I wore my hair big, it's likesome of the curls in the front
were like 4, 3b, so they werekind of wavy, and then, like my
curls in the back were very,very defined, so it wasn't like
all you know just kind of looklike a lion, like my hair is
super big, it's like day threecurls.
(18:18):
And then I come in and I'm likehave this much makeup on and
then, day four, like you know,start telling us how to actually
do it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, that was a thing like we can do it, but it
was just like okay, no, maybeyou need this moves to like keep
this right.
And like you said it, likethat's a recent thing, like, and
you see more and more of peoplebeing proud of, like what grows
out of their head how they lovetheir urbanism of what they're
doing.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And the fact that it is being shown on TV and you
know like they're shown on thenews.
It's like you know, there was a, there was a I forgot her name
but a new cast had just had afro and we never see, you know,
on the news seeing in a lady.
Like you didn't see it, like,so now we're seeing it and it's
giving us representation, whichis great.
But that goes into my nextquestion how much of a role do
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you think the media plays in howwe deem what is beautiful?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, social media influencers like celebrities,
you can't ignore it, and for me,I work in the realm of creators
, so I am really, reallyinspired by how different people
can come up with new ways to dowith their makeup, their hair,
(19:32):
so like it 100% influences meand my life, and even that show
our kind of people.
Watching celebrity hairstylistsdo so many unique styles just
blows my mind and for me it runsmy life Like that's how I know
what to do and what I want totry.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it does, because you work in the
world of magazines andmagazines is like our first
entry, I think, like we all canrelate to, like seeing our
parents' magazines around thehouse and stuff and like just
looking at these beautifulimages of black and brown and
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white and beige, like just allof these different colors of
women, and like looking at thestandards change constantly.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, like, how do you?
Okay?
So I had a conversation with amale friend of mine and they
were talking about how see?
I hate to use this term, but Iguess, if I put it blatantly and
how it was presented, it wasmore like I don't even want to
say good woman versus bad woman,because that's not what it was
saying.
I forgot what it was.
(20:44):
But technically it was like thenatural beauties versus the
women that you know get BBLs, orlike surgeries or things like
that to make themselves feelmore beautiful, or look more
beautiful.
You know, kind of, I guess,trying to keep up with what they
see on television and what theysee in the media, Like they're
saying, like hoes are winning,like that's what you know,
(21:05):
that's what that's what has beenlike said out there, and I was
gonna like I don't know if wewant to say that much.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I will, that's what we read.
You might be winning now butright along game, but it's also
like it's a long game.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
It's a long game, so like that's what I mean about
like the beauty standards, likeyou know, like what are we doing
?
Like do you think this phase of, like BBLs and like Tommy tugs
and, like you know, life bow andall that stuff for like I?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I truly hope that the women that have sacrificed
their life To alter their bodies, that it doesn't go out of
style or that you know theydon't have long-term health
issues, but who's to say?
Um, I think that it's whatfalls into your algorithm.
(21:58):
Ultimately, like is what you'regonna see for me.
I am very much so inspired, likeyou said, like very inspired,
like by, you know, like otherwomen, seeing other women like
do things and and be beautifuland like, especially as a makeup
artist, like learning new waysto like Create and just it's
just like a surge of ofcreativity.
So I don't find it being likemaking me feel insecure, um, but
(22:22):
I I can't understand from awoman's perspective.
That's like I don't feel likeI'm perfect and I'm seeing all
of these like I mean filteredimages, airbrushed images of
People, it's like, but thereality is no one looks like
that like let's just, let's justAll cap all cap because I
really didn't filters thefilters, no one looks like.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That the filters no one looks like that, and then
it's also not even with makeup.
Like I, I wanted to bring thisquestion to you, bobby.
Like what made you even want tobecome a makeup artist?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
like what, it was such an early childhood, like I
loved doing.
I actually started doing my ownhair at 13.
Um, I just would come to this.
I had such bad like salonexperiences because my hair was
like somewhere between my mom's,my dad, so my hair can be like
curly like this, but it can alsobe straight like that and I was
having like really bad hairexperiences, like my hair would
(23:19):
be like too super frizzy andlike stuff, and I was just like,
give me, just great, let me domy own hair.
So I learned how to do my ownhair, like everything, if it was
dying, if it was cutting it,everything before I even went to
cosmetology school.
That bathroom was mycosmetology school that I had
and and so that's kind of how Igot started.
Well, my parents thought that Ihad an interest in it.
They were like, oh well, let'sborrow some mannequin heads Like
(23:39):
, let's let her like do herthing, like this is her way of
like her medium of creation.
My, my father is in music, sothey've, we've always had like a
very, um, supportive, creativehousehold.
It was never like become adoctor orders.
It was like you're gonnaprobably be doing something in
the arts because you'reclassically trained in music and
theater and Instruments, likeall this stuff.
So I kind of knew I would likefall into like some realm of
(24:02):
creativity.
Um, I didn't know it could be aprofessional career until I saw
like the mac girls, of course.
And then after seeing the macgirls I was like, okay, I want
to be a mac girl and I just keptauditioning, auditioning, never
got it, which is okay because Iwas spicy, I know, like amazing
makeup artists that kept tryingto get.
But it's okay because now I havelike a relationship, like a pr
(24:25):
relationship with them andsponsorship.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I'm like I got look at that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I've like done like, they've invited me to like view
their new collections and stufflike that.
So it's cool because it's likenow it's like full circle.
But I was actually doing musicwith my sisters and they were
like hey, um, we are, there, areprofessional dancers at the
time, they've danced foreveryone.
Beyonce, rihanna, all thepeople trace songs, like all
these people Lady Gaga, can goon forever.
(24:49):
They have amazing resumes.
But they were like, girl,you're at our age that we
started to like do what we doprofessionally, use your older.
Yeah, and they were raising me.
I was living with them here inLA and they were like you need
to like have something foryourself.
You're really good at makeup.
Let's take you on set.
You should be a productionmakeup artist.
So they kind of made a decisionfor me that I was gonna do
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professionally.
My sister took me on set withher and, um, she introduced me
to the makeup artist.
She was like, yeah, she'slooking for To be able to assist
somebody and you need to gether number and like whatever.
So I got the, the ladies number, the, the makeup artist.
I didn't work with her for fiveyears later, but her first call
to me.
She's like um, I have a gig andI need an assistant.
(25:33):
It's today, at this point, Ididn't have a kid.
I literally had just decided Iwas gonna be a makeup artist.
So I was like I can't cometoday, like I can't.
And she was like um, if youkeep rejecting like kind of
opportunities I'm giving youthat I'm not gonna call you, so
like you need to get ready.
And that was that, and it'sbeen a wrap like ever since.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm sure you wake up that kid real quick, I sure did.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I was like going to going to freaking CVS and
whatever I could and likegetting whatever I could
together, just to like go.
You know, I've even been a farmjust taking brushes or whatever
, and I just I worked under herfor five years and then after
that I started building my ownclientele and Now sometimes I
see her on jobs.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like hey, thank you though, hi.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And um.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Nadia, how did your brand become about beauty and
style?
Oh, great things and the wait.
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Music, beauty and style random shit you're talking
about.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes, yes, yes, I said that.
You said I love it.
It's the brand's the shit youwant to know about.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I'm gonna show you what I know about us.
That's the part um, let's see.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I don't really remember how it got started.
I'm pretty sure my sisterhelped me come up with chat
worthy and over the years, I've.
So I work in marketing and Ihave always worked with
influencers, managing them,running influencer events for
brands, and I really just fellin love with Creating.
(27:07):
I've been doing youtube videossince 2012 so, like, I love
production, I love creators, andthere's no space for them to
Sort of show their talentsoutside of their own platforms
and I think it's really hard asa creative To get opportunities
(27:31):
one and two Venture out beyondjust your instagram account,
right?
So I love showcasing what isdifferent and what is unique and
what is Something you've never,ever tried before.
And, like, chat worthy is whereyou're gonna get the those
creators who are creating thoseamazing looks.
(27:54):
And it's just as simple as,like, I do my own makeup most of
the time, unless I'm going toan event, but, like I worked
with Um crazy kid he's a makeupmaven, I love him and he
literally taught me to put color, just like In the middle of my.
I don't even know what theseare.
(28:14):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
The inner corners.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
But like it's, it's literally little things like
that where it's like reallyAmazing beauty on the go, but
then also trying intricatethings, and there's so much you
can do, especially as a blackwoman.
I am always changing, see, Isee.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I am afraid of makeup like I like a natural beat.
You know I do my makeup myself.
I have the same look.
The only thing that typicallychanges is my lipstick and it
depends on what I'm wearing.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's to be honest, like.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I like my look, like I've never been big on
eyeshadows or whatever, likeeven when I do get my makeup.
Then I said, no, just give melike a soft glam, like I'm
actually terrified of eyeshadows.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're terrified of eyeshadows.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I am because I don't think it looks good on me, like
I even know it, like somebodycan like beat like some, even
Something like I've had my facebeat, like I mean, I'm a singer,
you know I've died, it done.
It's not.
Look at myself, I'm like Okaybut like.
I personally am not a fan of it, but I, I'm, I'm with you.
I'm with you on that.
Like people that can,especially like, do you watch
(29:23):
them the next up?
I think it's called the next upthe makeup Um, competition.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I know I should.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh, it's something up .
I can't remember the next up.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Maybe I should have researched that, but I didn't
know.
I was gonna talk about it, butanyway it's a British foundation
.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I love that lady with the magnifying glass.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
She's right, she's like.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I've never seen that and that scared me to.
It shook my boots.
I'm like watching the show likeI'm not even on it.
She just scares me.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
She just makes me clutch my pearls, no, so so
we're talking about makeup, wetalked about hair.
My favorite thing, my thing,though, that I'm really adamant,
and very, super adamant about,is skincare.
Like I am a serum, a moisturizer, a scrub, a mask, queen Like I
(30:14):
don't play Like I'll be at homeand my man's in the bed or
whatever.
He said what do you do?
I said he's like can you comeout?
He's got the shower.
I was like, first of all, I'mon step two.
I was like I have to wait untilmy serum dries.
I can't just put my moisturizeron Like he thinks I'm a crazy
person.
But like skincare is very bigfor me, like even like my body's
skincare, like I have bodyscrubs and all that.
(30:34):
Like, how does that go hand inhand with you guys?
Are you guys like okay, are youguys?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
like I'll be with it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love the acne preventing stuff, but for me
it's more of a relaxation thing,like I go to the Korean sauna a
lot, and so that's usually whenI do like most of my stuff, or
if I'm stressed like under eyemask, face mask, mud mask like
I'm a mask person All the
Speaker 2 (31:01):
mask and mask and all the mask.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
The serums and stuff.
I don't really get too much inmy cause it takes too long.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So serums pull anything that you're putting on
before or after your serumdeeper, so it actually makes
your products absorb better.
And then you can also useserums to like for any
preventative measure.
It could be anti-aging, itcould be hyaluronic acid, if you
need it.
Yeah, it could be whatever, butyou'll usually find that in
(31:29):
your serums and obviously yourexfoliants.
But yeah, there's.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I do exfoliate, I love exfoliants.
I'm telling you, and if these?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
vitamin C serums too like girl, just get into the
serum.
I used to have this like thislip scrub.
There was this vitamin C lipscrub.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Okay, it was great.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
My favorite brand right now, though, is ordinary,
the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, you do.
I do love the ordinary stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
They're so good.
So there's this product that Iwant to try by them.
That's like supposed to bereally great for
hyperpigmentation, and peoplehave been telling me it's like a
red step.
It's like that peel, it's thebest I used that.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I used that.
It's the best that gets youright.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It is amazing, it's literally like first of all, you
can't leave it on more than 10minutes, Like it literally burns
, it burns.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
No, it doesn't.
It burns.
It doesn't burn burn, itdoesn't burn burn.
I'm not trying to burn, it's alittle tingly.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
But they tell you don't keep it on for more than
10 minutes.
But when I tell you you, wipeit off, your face is like high.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, really Okay, bye.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And what I like about their products is that they're
like.
They're like natural, butthey're like scientific at the
center.
They're definitely like puttingthe two and two together.
But also, too, they have verywell paired of what you need for
what like.
It's not like an extensivebrand.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Like it's not an extensive brand.
Yeah, I've seen like they'reaffordable.
Yeah, it's super affordable.
I've seen their brand.
I think I just like and I getso many like PR stuff and like
things I don't even I'll tellyou now get the ordinary, I'm
going to get this peel.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, sure, the peel is good.
Their eye serum is good.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay, the eye serum that I'm like really loving
right now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
So I'm going to, I mean, keep your eyes on, but
that peel is dope, okay, Waitwait, wait.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You need to try its Aztec like powder.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh yeah, the Aztec powder mask Apple cider vinegar.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yes, good.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
You can do that with your hair and face.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You can literally like put the On your hair, on
your hair.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, it's the whole thing.
You can put it on your neck allthe way through your hair, and
then you wash it off.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's great for it, I love it.
I'm not with my man.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Because, he's going to come in like definitely don't
do it in front of your man,definitely don't do it in front
of my man.
Well, your man is loud, we'lldo it together.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Right now he is loud.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
He's right there with you.
He's like do I need to do thisto you?
You guys have the right hairActually, my man has the right
hair and the crazy they're likeI know they're in that house
wowing out.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
He'll see stuff and he'll be like do I need to do it
Look?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I'm here for a man that cares about skincare Like
right He'll do it Okay okay, so,okay.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
so I'm going to pose this in two questions.
The first question is what isthe one thing that, if it isn't
right, will make you feel ugly?
Cause we definitely all haveone.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Okay.
So, makeup and foundation colorI.
This is like makeup artistsneed to understand color
matching especially new makeupartists.
There are so many differentshades of brown and a lot of the
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times it comes out ashy andpowdery and ghostly if you don't
know what you're doing, andlike I'm the kind of person
that's if I'm getting my beat todo an interview or whatever.
So like I'm just going to belike whatever.
I don't have time to take itall off and start over, so but
(34:40):
like that's one thing that I'mlike Do you ever bring your
foundation?
Yeah, do you bring?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
your foundation.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, now I do You're like?
At this point, I'm bringing myfoundation At this point.
That's what you're not going todo is mess me up.
Yeah, now I do.
Okay, well, you need to call meI really do, because I can't
have that.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, I can't have that.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Because you have every color in the key.
We keep every color.
For me, I feel like if I'mhaving like a bad skin day, like
I, just nothing's going to sitright, like my makeup isn't
going to be what I want it to be, I'm going to have to figure
out some type of hairstyle tohalf cover whatever's going on.
I have eczema on the side of myface, so sometimes my skin I'll
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have like eczema flare ups ifit's super hot outside or if my
allergies are acting up, justlike whatever.
So I hate that.
Yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Mine is my hair Like I'm obsessed with my hair has to
be done.
I don't care if I'm going tothe gym, I don't care if it's in
a fro.
It has a little bow on it and Iknow I get that from my
grandmother.
My grandmother, she did notplay about her person, girl.
I told y'all that before shedid not play, she was raining
outside, she had the rain cap.
She did not play.
And it was always a thing, likeyou know.
(35:51):
One thing about being a womanand like girly and feminine, was
make sure your hair is done.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Make sure your hair is done that has always stuck
with me.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's how I like you'll see me.
We just started our buddyrelationship, but Nadi has seen
me in a million hair style.
I love that she's seen me in amillion hair style and you will
see me in a million, ok.
Like you'll see me in a millionthat will make me like my hair
is I don't care if my nails aredone, I don't care.
All of that can go.
My hair is not done it stressesme out, like I literally plan
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what I'm going to do around whenI can do my hair, like if I got
braids in, I'm like OK, I gotthis coming up.
This is when I got to take themout to do this.
Like it's a thing, like I getanxiety around it.
So that's my one thing, ok, allright.
So the next question would bewhat are some things that make
you feel good about yourself,like when you know you put these
on, are you wear this or howyou wear it?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
My lashes and my outfit.
Ooh, that's good Like when mylashes look bomb, and then also
when I'm like I really just lovemy look, like my outfit, I just
know Like they might be able tobeat me, like Rihanna says,
they might be able to beat me,but they can't be my outfit.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Not be my outfit, ok, ok.
Ok, mine is probably my hair.
Yeah, if my hair is done, Iknow like whatever I put on at
that point is going to be fine,you know.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
OK, I would say again my hair again as you guys know
I was obsessed with my hair.
But a good pair of shoes, ok, agood pair of shoes.
I got a good pair of shoes.
I'm a shoe girl, but not evenlike necessarily heels, like
just cool shoes, like I don'treally the only thing I don't
really wear are sneakers, like Ihave like a few pairs, but like
I like a cool flat, like a hightop, I love a boot, like it's
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the shoe, like shoes.
My shoes are usually myaccessory most of the time.
Ok, I use my shoes as myaccessory, so that would be my
thing.
All right, so I'd like to playa little game before we wrap up
here.
Ok, let's do it, and you?
know some this or that, and youknow we're in the beauty realm
and how we're making you know,you make yourself feel good and
people around you.
So we're going to go for it, ok, ok, all right.
I'm going to ask you guys somequestions.
(37:56):
Is this or that?
You can choose to say both, ifyou want to, or you can say that
one or that one.
Ok, makeup or fresh face?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Makeup.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I mean, look at that, I'm looking around Fresh face.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I was struggling there Because I'm a makeup
artist.
I like light, I like a lightbeat.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I don't need a full beat but a light beat.
I have a chicken pox card thatI need in the cover.
I hate it.
I do it's like right here.
Girl it's probably the smallestthing.
No, it's actually very deep.
I just do a good job atconcealing it.
Okay, skirts are pants.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Pants, skirts.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Long skirts, so like maxis.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I like skirts.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I'm a skirt, I'm a skirt, I don't like short, short
skirts, like mini skirts, likeI can't do because the booty
will fall out.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I like those for like pictures.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yes, it'll be like a cute Y2K picture, but after that
she's coming down.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I just have a whole video on how to sit in a mini
skirt.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Dresses are a jumpsuit Dress.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It depends on what's the vibe.
I mean, I am wearing a jumpsuit.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I like a jumpsuit, because I don't like.
She loves a dress.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I don't like to think about my outfit so typically if
you give me a two piece or onepiece and I can sacrifice it.
I mean, I like the jumpsuit,you know why I feel like the
jumpsuit depending on like onyour bloating days or not
bloating days.
When you have a dress on itdoesn't quite sense you together
as a jumpsuit does.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, like this, yeah like you need that tie
sometimes you know like periodtimes, you know, like a dress
it'll show all out.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know what I mean.
I think jumpsuits are like dayto night.
Right, I don't know.
I wear my dress.
Okay, here I think I like whereI'm really girly.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Lipstick or lip gloss Gloss.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Gloss.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's the toy.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Lip gloss or lip stain GlossOkay, I don't like lip stain.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I also just don't like the stain idea.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I like the matte here , depending on what I need to
get done, like when I'mperforming and I'm singing.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I rather have a matte , because other products are all
over my but stain is likethey're hard to get off and then
like what if I like?
Sometimes I decide after Ileave the house, like no, I
bring a couple, yeah, I bring acouple lipsticks with me, so I'm
like no, not a stain cuz then Ican't change it Okay, straight
or curly hair Straight.
I say curly, I do like my curlyhair.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
I love my.
I mean my hair is curly rightnow I like a good curl.
I like and I love to see one ofmy favorite things and it
happens in my hair and I'm notjust saying it cuz it happens in
my hair.
I love a good ponytail and youcan see that little wave, the
wave.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, it is so.
That's why I like how my hairis, like I just had to leave it
in a mask this morning.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But yeah, I don't know it's that it's that little
wave there and not a set,because you definitely want to
slick, like yeah slick pointy.
So what is always that little?
You could tell like it'ssomebody's hair pattern, but
they're here, and they're usingthat little wave.
Okay, perfume are body oils.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I've never really used body oils.
I love body oils, I love a goodbody oil because also, and they
last longer.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, they last longer.
And then they make you look allglistening Is glistening.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
No, I use body oils for like lotion now, but not as
like a perfume, like it's like.
I love the scent I use body oillotion and and perfume, all of
them.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
So I'm gonna say both of them I want both of them.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, lotion are body butter.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Body butter, hey, body butter.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
That is our game on this.
Here it is.
How are you gonna answer thatquestion?
Well, ladies, thank y'all somuch for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me, I thinkin my show, I always like to
leave a message, whether it's toyour viewers or to your inner
child, and I'd like to pose aquestion.
If you had to tell your child,or your inner child, or your
younger self about how to acceptyourself in their beauty
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standards and their own beautystandards, what would you say to
?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
them.
There's nobody like you.
Nobody Trust yourself like.
Look at yourself and remindyourself of all the amazing
things that you are like.
That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yes, oh, that was so mean of me.
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'm not going to.
I would say you're beautiful.
Don't think about what peoplethink of you.
Don't live your life based onthat.
Don't live your life based onanyone else's actions or words
or what people think you shoulddo.
Trust your instinct.
You were born with a gift.
Use it.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Alright, guys.
So there you have it again.
Thank you, nadia, thank you,bobby, for showing up, and if
you guys had any questions aboutwhat we talked about today, or
if you can relate to anythingthat we talked about today,
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The beauty standards.
You think this phase of, likeBBLs and like Tommy Tux and,
like you know, lipo and all thatstuff would like die.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I truly hope that the women that have sacrificed
their life to alter their bodiesthat it doesn't go out of style
, they don't have long-termhealth issues.
But who's to say it's whatfalls into your algorithm
ultimately like is what you'regonna see.
But I can understand from awoman's perspective.
That's like I don't feel likeI'm perfect and I'm seeing all
(00:32):
of these like filtered images,airbrushed images.
The reality is, no one lookslike that.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What up, what up, what up, welcome to that said,
that's all.
And today, you know, I got mygirls on the show.
We have Nadia of ChatWergyDMAGand we have Bobby Riley of Bobby
Riley Beauty, hello.
And today, you know, I havebeen very blessed with some
beautiful friends, notnecessarily always physically
beautiful, but also inner beauty, and that's really what's
(01:30):
important to me.
People shine the way they shine, and you got a lot of them to
do that, because we ain't tryingto dim the way these lights
around here.
But I do want to talk about thestandard of beauty and how it
affects black women, especiallyin our, you know, our daily, our
professional life, all that.
And you know I happen to havetwo individuals here, that one
is a makeup artist and one talksabout fashion and beauty all
(01:53):
the time, whether she's vloggingabout it or she's going to
events about it.
So I thought this was a greattopic to talk about it with my
girls.
But before we do that, let'ssay cheers, guys, cheers, cheers
.
How y'all doing today?
I can't reach you, bobby butcheers air, cheers air cheers.
Um.
So my first question to youguys is did you always feel
(02:15):
beautiful and if not, why?
My god, what a loaded question.
I know I'm getting into it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
My mom forced me to really like look at the things
that I loved about myself, and Igot made fun of a lot in school
for being so dark skin and Igrew up in Atlanta, so it was
kind of like what, where youmaking the same color like what
are you talking about?
That's right.
But because we traveled a lot,I got to see other, different
(02:44):
kinds of people and other peoplewho appreciated my skin tone.
That was really like the mainthing.
Like I'm in third grade, I waswearing heels but like as far as
my skin complexion, that wasalways the thing that I had
insecurities about.
But my mom was like, oh no,we're nipping that in the bud
real quick.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I feel that, I feel that how about you, bobby?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wow, it's such a loaded question because I think
part of me, I would say I thinkin in in childlike form I was so
innocent to like the world andI didn't really care about those
things.
I don't think I was soconcerned with my beauty.
But I would say like my mom wasmy beauty standard, which was
like impossible, like she didn'twear any makeup.
She had like long boned,straight, like Pocahontas hair,
(03:28):
the most beautiful skin, likeall she wore was lipstick.
So it was just it.
That was kind of a lot for meand she was very like had a
great body, a great form and Iwas like the chubby kid in my
family.
So I think like for me, I thinkexternally it felt, I guess,
unattainable because I grew upin Virginia Beach, I was like
(03:49):
one of the only black girls inmy school and you know, like my
mom has this beautiful, perfecthair, my hair is like curly and
like shrivels up, like theshrinkage was crazy.
I don't know, I was like I waschubby, so I think I think like
I wasn't concerned about that asmuch as I am now as a kid, but
I feel like there were a lot ofinsecurities just because of
(04:11):
where I grew up in, like mysurrounding.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
No, I feel that I grew up in the suburbs in New
Jersey and I have to say likethere was a time.
Okay, but I guess this questionis loaded for myself too,
because I never not feltbeautiful.
But I didn't feel beautiful, ifthat makes sense, because it
was always that thing like mybest friend.
She was a light-skinned woman,like like red bone, but in my
family my family's a littledarker, but I was the lightest
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one in my family, like my like.
If I just show you like, like,like um baby pictures and stuff
like that, you would think I wasgonna be like skinning and like
God had other plans, which isfine.
I love my black, don't get mewrong.
But like I guess and I wouldcompare myself to her a lot
because it was just like we'd bein a room and they would
immediately jar attention weboth sang she's a dancer and it
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was like, well, I, you know, hi,me too.
So it's like as a child youlearn to like you have let.
Once you grow up, you learn tolike stand on your own and
recognize who you are.
But as a child you are walkingaround comparing yourself to
other people, what other peoplelook like, who's getting the
most attention?
Like I remember I asked my momfor a perm just because I wanted
my hair straight because girlthe shrinkage is real.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Like it is a real thing.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So, yeah, I would have to say that's a real thing,
that I asked everybody or atleast you know, at least to you
guys, to the audience as welllike when we were talking about
ourselves and our standard ofbeauty.
It does come a lot from theoutside, and my next question
and I think Nadia alreadyanswered hers was Um, was there
positive, positive influencesaround you to reassure you that
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your black is beautiful?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I didn't.
So I didn't know I was blackuntil I liked a boy, because I
in Elementary school I grew uparound a lot of white people, so
I didn't even have tounderstand the concept of like,
oh, you're black until likefirst grade or something like
that, and I was like, wait, whatI am?
And it was just kind of like.
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When I moved to Atlanta I Iactually had black friends and
Even then it was still like a orher hair straighter, or like
her curls are more Bouncy or youknow, like looser.
So I don't know for me I wasjust trying to Accept the things
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that I liked about myself whichI was getting at home.
But it's come.
It's completely different whenyou go to school and you're like
, okay, I'm like, am I?
It is?
What is what my mom's istelling me, true?
So it's kind of like, you know,a little uncomfortable because
of that.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, I feel that I feel like in my household If I
would say I wouldn't necessarilylike it was beautiful.
Like the women in my householdwere like worker bees like we.
They weren't like the glamsquad, like they weren't like
that's not what my women in myfamily were.
They were like get a job, makesure you can take care of
yourself.
And my grandmother was a nurse,worked 40 hours late, but my
grandma's hair was a late Okay,that's one thing she did not
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play about.
She had that pressing curlevery two weeks and my
grandmother was very beautiful,like she was, you know, very
thin, like she.
Just she was a super southernbell, so like literally she
walked in her room.
It like who's Nancy, who's that, whatever.
But like my, the women in my, Ihad to like, learn like glam
and like Things like that myself, because that's not what the
women in my family were like.
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We were beautiful, but like ina different version of what,
like I guess people expect thatto be.
What was your positive?
Do you have any positiveinfluences?
Like I know you said talk aboutyour mom.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah.
So there's this book that myparents it was like a book and a
song and my parents gave it tome Because I was really attached
to my grandmother who's my NanaHer name is Bobby and we she
would.
She watched me.
She was like what people wouldconsider like a nanny, you know.
I mean, that was the personthat watched me.
My parents weren't home and it'scalled there are no mirrors in
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my Nana's house and it's likethis, this book, and it was by a
black author and it wasbasically saying because, like,
the beauty that I Saw wasthrough her, what she saw.
And I think that that was likemy most positive influence.
My mom she read a tight ship,like we were.
We had to be in shape, we hadto have our hair done.
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Always, we always had like thegood outfits.
I think it's just because oflike going to private school,
like they.
My mom probably didn't wantpeople to like worry or be like
so, but she really read.
My mom really ran a tight shipand she was very cautious about
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my weight and just certainthings about me.
So I think what came mostnaturally to me as a positive
influence of beauty was justlike when I was around my Nana
and like the things that wewould do and just like just kind
of Not really viewing myselffrom a lens of like scrutiny.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Do you think like, like your?
Your mom was like the pressurecooker, and then your
grandmother let you breathe.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I feel that.
I feel, that a lot like I am.
That's kind of how my aunt waslike.
She was like the pressurecookie, like you Went to her
house.
It was a certain way Uh-huh, itwas a certain thing you had to
do and my uncle was like youknow, like judging jury, like to
this day, we're like what youknow to this day.
So I feel you and that, hasyour looks ever been challenged
(09:24):
by your counterparts, whether itwas professionally or
personally?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
um, I think.
So I have dated all differenttypes of men, mm-hmm, and but
most of them were not black,okay, and I had this thing about
, like my scarf and my bonnet,and it was just always like a
(09:55):
thing, what is that on your head?
What like?
And I didn't feel as Sexy orattractive because I'm going to
sleep with this thing on my head.
He's not used to that and andit's kind of like you know we're
getting into it.
It's like he's staring at it.
I can't wear this, my hair islike I gotta protect my hair my
(10:18):
edges, like you, know I gottaprotect it and you know,
sometimes it gets to the pointwhere, like I wrap my hair like
like wig cap and the scarf andthe bonnet you know it's multi
layered, it's serious.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yeah, yeah, I feel that.
I feel that I don't know, likeI don't know if I guess the
challenge for me is that againit goes to the hair.
It's to the hair because I'mlike don't reach my hair like I
would feel like Okay.
So one of the reasons, why I?
Stopped wearing wigs Wasbecause if I wanted to like,
(10:53):
have sex or whatever, I would beafraid it would fall off and
I'd like again, like.
I did, I dated my race and I Ialways had this biggest fear
that, like if I knew I was goingto have sex, I needed to make
sure whatever my hair was doing,it was tacked down.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Because I would feel comfortable like I had that I
had that motion In the dark.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I'm like, look, leave me alone.
But like the challenges, it wasjust more so.
Like Asking, like why do I wearthis, or why do I have to do
this?
Or, like you know, likepressing my hair.
I was pressing my hair one dayand it was like smell, like you
know yeah, it was like oh, whywould you do that?
Why would you like, don't askme no questions like.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Thank you right.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
You just enjoy the aftermath, okay.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, enjoy that aftermath.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But yeah, definitely was around my hair too.
I agree with that, yeah um, forme.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I'm trying to think of like if there's anything I'd
say, if anything, my environmenthas always shown me how
beautiful that I am.
And I mean I've only datedblack men.
I've actually I haven't had anyexperiences with any other
races.
To be honest, like when I wasin middle school, I like when I
lived in Atlanta I tried to datea white guy and he was like I
can't bring you home.
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And I was like okay, so likefrom there.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It was like never doing that again.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And it wasn't like he was.
He didn't think I was beautiful.
It was like, yeah, like myparents straight up would not be
down for this, so I'm justgonna let you let you down easy.
And then I think from there Ijust was so scarfed from that
that I only really dated blackguys.
And no one has ever likequestioned like my scarf, my
pony tails, my random pony tailson the on the bureau.
(12:41):
I just said, like I was at myman's house I was like, oh babe,
I left my ponytail.
No, yeah, so I've very much sohad the opposite experience of
like Always feeling veryencouraged and like embraced, to
like be myself.
I am.
I do have like southerngrandparents, so I was raised
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like you.
You look good like when you'rearound your man.
So I'm like I've never I didn'tnecessarily like print so much,
like I didn't always havemakeup on or I don't always have
makeup I want around him, butlike seldomly does he see me
like in my like it's like after.
That's just the way that I wasjust sleep, yeah, like this is
(13:25):
just for sleep, and like if I'm,if I just got my hair pressed
or something like you know.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's what my hair out.
Have you had any of thoseexperiences?
Like professionally, like Iknow you work on set a lot, like
you're on set a lot, we're allin a lot.
So have you had any likeinstances where like yeah, that
side high you?
Like did something or like yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Actually, yes.
So I had a manager at adepartment store.
We're not gonna you know, we'renot gonna shame any department
stores in here.
I had a manager at a departmentstore that told me because I
would sometimes like, come, myhair was like kind of wet, I
would just throw it back, it'scurly, or like I would wear it
out or like whatever.
But I don't really wear thatmuch makeup Like this is how
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much makeup that I typicallywear on a regular, unless I'm
like going to an event, likewhen you guys met me at the
event like okay, I was like beat, but on a regular day, this is
probably the amount of makeupthat I'm wearing, just because I
like my skin to breathe.
I love my skin.
It's clear, like you know,people come up to me when I work
in a department store andthey're like what are you using
on your skin?
Like I was.
I was getting a lot of like youknow clients through that and
(14:33):
they were.
They took me in the back andthey were like it's unacceptable
, like the way that you come towork, like your hair and your
makeup is just like not done tolike our standard, and that was
probably like it was really.
I was really confused because Iwas like I'm your beauty
stylist, like I'm your VIPstylist, like you should feel
confident in what I'm doing,like to make sales happen.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
That was probably the only time which was really
interesting.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I guess that kind of brings up.
I used to work at Abercrombie,but because I grew up a lot,
wait Abercrombie wasn't that?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
no, that was Hollister that did that whole.
What it was?
Abercrombie, abercrombie.
Yes, they have a wholedocumentary about the guy and
he's all like sticking with theguy and like how he was picking
people like specific like modeltight looks, he was like well
that there's a whole other part,but the whole thing was just
about like the beauty standardsin that show Like he was
(15:26):
literally picking people,telling people that he had like
it was a whole thing.
But go ahead, abercrombie.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Well, because I grew up around a lot of white people,
I had already gone through likethe process of okay, well, my
hair needs to be straight and aslong as it's straight and I'm
wearing the Abercrombie clothesand I think that's it kind of
(15:52):
made me who I am a little bit,but that was really the only
time.
But even then, like the girlwho I was interviewing with, oh
my God, I'm like, first off, donot know what you're
interviewing for, like this isone of those like they have a
look right.
But she came in just like not,I don't even she didn't look
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like she was going for a jobinterview in the first place,
but then to go to thisparticular interview and like
just the different, it was justlike wild.
But that was probably my onlyexperience and looking back on
it, it's like there was never amoment where I felt confident to
(16:38):
wear my natural hair until Isaw our kind of people that show
and that was like came out acouple years ago.
So, like, I recently wentthrough that transition of
feeling like, wait, I can dothat with my hair.
Wait, hold up.
There's like a whole slew ofproducts Cause you know, I went
(17:00):
through the phase of like I feellike a child with my hair.
Is natural, I don't feel sexy.
You know it's shorter, oh,absolutely.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
There's something about like straightening my hair
that just makes me feel likeBussy.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't know I always felt like the opposite, like,
even like okay.
So even though I wear likenatural hair styles, I don't
really wear my natural hair out,if that makes sense, like I
cause I like volume, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And my hair.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
When it's straight, it's straight.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Like it's no poof.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So I would feel like I like lose my face, I lose my
edge.
So I've always like I alwayslike curls.
But they did that something.
They needed to be a weave.
It wasn't like an afro orsomething, so I get that.
But I needed volume because myhair when it's straight is not
as voluminous as when it's likewhatever, and that's just the
shape of my face.
So that's what I kind ofgravitated to.
But I feel you like people willlook at you crazy and you're
(17:52):
like this is just me, like letme live, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I would be like this is just who I am Like sometimes,
like my hair used to be reallylong and black and so, like when
I wore my hair big, it's likesome of the curls in the front
were like 4, 3b, so they werekind of wavy, and then, like my
curls in the back were very,very defined, so it wasn't like
all you know just kind of looklike a lion, like my hair is
super big, it's like day threecurls.
(18:18):
And then I come in and I'm likehave this much makeup on and
then, day four, like you know,start telling us how to actually
do it.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, that was a thing like we can do it, but it
was just like okay, no, maybeyou need this moves to like keep
this right.
And like you said it, likethat's a recent thing, like, and
you see more and more of peoplebeing proud of, like what grows
out of their head how they lovetheir urbanism of what they're
doing.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And the fact that it is being shown on TV and you
know like they're shown on thenews.
It's like you know, there was a, there was a I forgot her name
but a new cast had just had afro and we never see, you know,
on the news seeing in a lady.
Like you didn't see it, like,so now we're seeing it and it's
giving us representation, whichis great.
But that goes into my nextquestion how much of a role do
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you think the media plays in howwe deem what is beautiful?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, social media influencers like celebrities,
you can't ignore it, and for me,I work in the realm of creators
, so I am really, reallyinspired by how different people
can come up with new ways to dowith their makeup, their hair,
(19:32):
so like it 100% influences meand my life, and even that show
our kind of people.
Watching celebrity hairstylistsdo so many unique styles just
blows my mind and for me it runsmy life Like that's how I know
what to do and what I want totry.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it does, because you work in the
world of magazines andmagazines is like our first
entry, I think, like we all canrelate to, like seeing our
parents' magazines around thehouse and stuff and like just
looking at these beautifulimages of black and brown and
(20:16):
white and beige, like just allof these different colors of
women, and like looking at thestandards change constantly.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well, like, how do you?
Okay?
So I had a conversation with amale friend of mine and they
were talking about how see?
I hate to use this term, but Iguess, if I put it blatantly and
how it was presented, it wasmore like I don't even want to
say good woman versus bad woman,because that's not what it was
saying.
I forgot what it was.
(20:44):
But technically it was like thenatural beauties versus the
women that you know get BBLs, orlike surgeries or things like
that to make themselves feelmore beautiful, or look more
beautiful.
You know, kind of, I guess,trying to keep up with what they
see on television and what theysee in the media, Like they're
saying, like hoes are winning,like that's what you know,
(21:05):
that's what that's what has beenlike said out there, and I was
gonna like I don't know if wewant to say that much.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I will, that's what we read.
You might be winning now butright along game, but it's also
like it's a long game.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
It's a long game, so like that's what I mean about
like the beauty standards, likeyou know, like what are we doing
?
Like do you think this phase of, like BBLs and like Tommy tugs
and, like you know, life bow andall that stuff for like I?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I truly hope that the women that have sacrificed
their life To alter their bodies, that it doesn't go out of
style or that you know theydon't have long-term health
issues, but who's to say?
Um, I think that it's whatfalls into your algorithm.
(21:58):
Ultimately, like is what you'regonna see for me.
I am very much so inspired, likeyou said, like very inspired,
like by, you know, like otherwomen, seeing other women like
do things and and be beautifuland like, especially as a makeup
artist, like learning new waysto like Create and just it's
just like a surge of ofcreativity.
So I don't find it being likemaking me feel insecure, um, but
(22:22):
I I can't understand from awoman's perspective.
That's like I don't feel likeI'm perfect and I'm seeing all
of these like I mean filteredimages, airbrushed images of
People, it's like, but thereality is no one looks like
that like let's just, let's justAll cap all cap because I
really didn't filters thefilters, no one looks like.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That the filters no one looks like that, and then
it's also not even with makeup.
Like I, I wanted to bring thisquestion to you, bobby.
Like what made you even want tobecome a makeup artist?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
like what, it was such an early childhood, like I
loved doing.
I actually started doing my ownhair at 13.
Um, I just would come to this.
I had such bad like salonexperiences because my hair was
like somewhere between my mom's,my dad, so my hair can be like
curly like this, but it can alsobe straight like that and I was
having like really bad hairexperiences, like my hair would
(23:19):
be like too super frizzy andlike stuff, and I was just like,
give me, just great, let me domy own hair.
So I learned how to do my ownhair, like everything, if it was
dying, if it was cutting it,everything before I even went to
cosmetology school.
That bathroom was mycosmetology school that I had
and and so that's kind of how Igot started.
Well, my parents thought that Ihad an interest in it.
They were like, oh well, let'sborrow some mannequin heads Like
(23:39):
, let's let her like do herthing, like this is her way of
like her medium of creation.
My, my father is in music, sothey've, we've always had like a
very, um, supportive, creativehousehold.
It was never like become adoctor orders.
It was like you're gonnaprobably be doing something in
the arts because you'reclassically trained in music and
theater and Instruments, likeall this stuff.
So I kind of knew I would likefall into like some realm of
(24:02):
creativity.
Um, I didn't know it could be aprofessional career until I saw
like the mac girls, of course.
And then after seeing the macgirls I was like, okay, I want
to be a mac girl and I just keptauditioning, auditioning, never
got it, which is okay because Iwas spicy, I know, like amazing
makeup artists that kept tryingto get.
But it's okay because now I havelike a relationship, like a pr
(24:25):
relationship with them andsponsorship.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I'm like I got look at that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I've like done like, they've invited me to like view
their new collections and stufflike that.
So it's cool because it's likenow it's like full circle.
But I was actually doing musicwith my sisters and they were
like hey, um, we are, there, areprofessional dancers at the
time, they've danced foreveryone.
Beyonce, rihanna, all thepeople trace songs, like all
these people Lady Gaga, can goon forever.
(24:49):
They have amazing resumes.
But they were like, girl,you're at our age that we
started to like do what we doprofessionally, use your older.
Yeah, and they were raising me.
I was living with them here inLA and they were like you need
to like have something foryourself.
You're really good at makeup.
Let's take you on set.
You should be a productionmakeup artist.
So they kind of made a decisionfor me that I was gonna do
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professionally.
My sister took me on set withher and, um, she introduced me
to the makeup artist.
She was like, yeah, she'slooking for To be able to assist
somebody and you need to gether number and like whatever.
So I got the, the ladies number, the, the makeup artist.
I didn't work with her for fiveyears later, but her first call
to me.
She's like um, I have a gig andI need an assistant.
(25:33):
It's today, at this point, Ididn't have a kid.
I literally had just decided Iwas gonna be a makeup artist.
So I was like I can't cometoday, like I can't.
And she was like um, if youkeep rejecting like kind of
opportunities I'm giving youthat I'm not gonna call you, so
like you need to get ready.
And that was that, and it'sbeen a wrap like ever since.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm sure you wake up that kid real quick, I sure did.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I was like going to going to freaking CVS and
whatever I could and likegetting whatever I could
together, just to like go.
You know, I've even been a farmjust taking brushes or whatever
, and I just I worked under herfor five years and then after
that I started building my ownclientele and Now sometimes I
see her on jobs.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Like hey, thank you though, hi.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And um.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Nadia, how did your brand become about beauty and
style?
Oh, great things and the wait.
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Music, beauty and style random shit you're talking
about.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes, yes, yes, I said that.
You said I love it.
It's the brand's the shit youwant to know about.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I'm gonna show you what I know about us.
That's the part um, let's see.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I don't really remember how it got started.
I'm pretty sure my sisterhelped me come up with chat
worthy and over the years, I've.
So I work in marketing and Ihave always worked with
influencers, managing them,running influencer events for
brands, and I really just fellin love with Creating.
(27:07):
I've been doing youtube videossince 2012 so, like, I love
production, I love creators, andthere's no space for them to
Sort of show their talentsoutside of their own platforms
and I think it's really hard asa creative To get opportunities
(27:31):
one and two Venture out beyondjust your instagram account,
right?
So I love showcasing what isdifferent and what is unique and
what is Something you've never,ever tried before.
And, like, chat worthy is whereyou're gonna get the those
creators who are creating thoseamazing looks.
(27:54):
And it's just as simple as,like, I do my own makeup most of
the time, unless I'm going toan event, but, like I worked
with Um crazy kid he's a makeupmaven, I love him and he
literally taught me to put color, just like In the middle of my.
I don't even know what theseare.
(28:14):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
The inner corners.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
But like it's, it's literally little things like
that where it's like reallyAmazing beauty on the go, but
then also trying intricatethings, and there's so much you
can do, especially as a blackwoman.
I am always changing, see, Isee.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I am afraid of makeup like I like a natural beat.
You know I do my makeup myself.
I have the same look.
The only thing that typicallychanges is my lipstick and it
depends on what I'm wearing.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's to be honest, like.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I like my look, like I've never been big on
eyeshadows or whatever, likeeven when I do get my makeup.
Then I said, no, just give melike a soft glam, like I'm
actually terrified of eyeshadows.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're terrified of eyeshadows.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I am because I don't think it looks good on me, like
I even know it, like somebodycan like beat like some, even
Something like I've had my facebeat, like I mean, I'm a singer,
you know I've died, it done.
It's not.
Look at myself, I'm like Okaybut like.
I personally am not a fan of it, but I, I'm, I'm with you.
I'm with you on that.
Like people that can,especially like, do you watch
(29:23):
them the next up?
I think it's called the next upthe makeup Um, competition.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I know I should.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh, it's something up .
I can't remember the next up.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Maybe I should have researched that, but I didn't
know.
I was gonna talk about it, butanyway it's a British foundation
.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I love that lady with the magnifying glass.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
She's right, she's like.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I've never seen that and that scared me to.
It shook my boots.
I'm like watching the show likeI'm not even on it.
She just scares me.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
She just makes me clutch my pearls, no, so so
we're talking about makeup, wetalked about hair.
My favorite thing, my thing,though, that I'm really adamant,
and very, super adamant about,is skincare.
Like I am a serum, a moisturizer, a scrub, a mask, queen Like I
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don't play Like I'll be at homeand my man's in the bed or
whatever.
He said what do you do?
I said he's like can you comeout?
He's got the shower.
I was like, first of all, I'mon step two.
I was like I have to wait untilmy serum dries.
I can't just put my moisturizeron Like he thinks I'm a crazy
person.
But like skincare is very bigfor me, like even like my body's
skincare, like I have bodyscrubs and all that.
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Like, how does that go hand inhand with you guys?
Are you guys like okay, are youguys?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
like I'll be with it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I love the acne preventing stuff, but for me
it's more of a relaxation thing,like I go to the Korean sauna a
lot, and so that's usually whenI do like most of my stuff, or
if I'm stressed like under eyemask, face mask, mud mask like
I'm a mask person All the
Speaker 2 (31:01):
mask and mask and all the mask.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
The serums and stuff.
I don't really get too much inmy cause it takes too long.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So serums pull anything that you're putting on
before or after your serumdeeper, so it actually makes
your products absorb better.
And then you can also useserums to like for any
preventative measure.
It could be anti-aging, itcould be hyaluronic acid, if you
need it.
Yeah, it could be whatever, butyou'll usually find that in
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your serums and obviously yourexfoliants.
But yeah, there's.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I do exfoliate, I love exfoliants.
I'm telling you, and if these?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
vitamin C serums too like girl, just get into the
serum.
I used to have this like thislip scrub.
There was this vitamin C lipscrub.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Okay, it was great.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
My favorite brand right now, though, is ordinary,
the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah, you do.
I do love the ordinary stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
They're so good.
So there's this product that Iwant to try by them.
That's like supposed to bereally great for
hyperpigmentation, and peoplehave been telling me it's like a
red step.
It's like that peel, it's thebest I used that.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I used that.
It's the best that gets youright.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It is amazing, it's literally like first of all, you
can't leave it on more than 10minutes, Like it literally burns
, it burns.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
No, it doesn't.
It burns.
It doesn't burn burn, itdoesn't burn burn.
I'm not trying to burn, it's alittle tingly.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
But they tell you don't keep it on for more than
10 minutes.
But when I tell you you, wipeit off, your face is like high.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, really Okay, bye.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And what I like about their products is that they're
like.
They're like natural, butthey're like scientific at the
center.
They're definitely like puttingthe two and two together.
But also, too, they have verywell paired of what you need for
what like.
It's not like an extensivebrand.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Like it's not an extensive brand.
Yeah, I've seen like they'reaffordable.
Yeah, it's super affordable.
I've seen their brand.
I think I just like and I getso many like PR stuff and like
things I don't even I'll tellyou now get the ordinary, I'm
going to get this peel.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, sure, the peel is good.
Their eye serum is good.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay, the eye serum that I'm like really loving
right now.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
So I'm going to, I mean, keep your eyes on, but
that peel is dope, okay, Waitwait, wait.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You need to try its Aztec like powder.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh yeah, the Aztec powder mask Apple cider vinegar.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yes, good.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
You can do that with your hair and face.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You can literally like put the On your hair, on
your hair.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yes, it's the whole thing.
You can put it on your neck allthe way through your hair, and
then you wash it off.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's great for it, I love it.
I'm not with my man.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Because, he's going to come in like definitely don't
do it in front of your man,definitely don't do it in front
of my man.
Well, your man is loud, we'lldo it together.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Right now he is loud.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
He's right there with you.
He's like do I need to do thisto you?
You guys have the right hairActually, my man has the right
hair and the crazy they're likeI know they're in that house
wowing out.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
He'll see stuff and he'll be like do I need to do it
Look?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I'm here for a man that cares about skincare Like
right He'll do it Okay okay, so,okay.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
so I'm going to pose this in two questions.
The first question is what isthe one thing that, if it isn't
right, will make you feel ugly?
Cause we definitely all haveone.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Okay.
So, makeup and foundation colorI.
This is like makeup artistsneed to understand color
matching especially new makeupartists.
There are so many differentshades of brown and a lot of the
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times it comes out ashy andpowdery and ghostly if you don't
know what you're doing, andlike I'm the kind of person
that's if I'm getting my beat todo an interview or whatever.
So like I'm just going to belike whatever.
I don't have time to take itall off and start over, so but
(34:40):
like that's one thing that I'mlike Do you ever bring your
foundation?
Yeah, do you bring?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
your foundation.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, now I do You're like?
At this point, I'm bringing myfoundation At this point.
That's what you're not going todo is mess me up.
Yeah, now I do.
Okay, well, you need to call meI really do, because I can't
have that.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, I can't have that.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Because you have every color in the key.
We keep every color.
For me, I feel like if I'mhaving like a bad skin day, like
I, just nothing's going to sitright, like my makeup isn't
going to be what I want it to be, I'm going to have to figure
out some type of hairstyle tohalf cover whatever's going on.
I have eczema on the side of myface, so sometimes my skin I'll
(35:22):
have like eczema flare ups ifit's super hot outside or if my
allergies are acting up, justlike whatever.
So I hate that.
Yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Mine is my hair Like I'm obsessed with my hair has to
be done.
I don't care if I'm going tothe gym, I don't care if it's in
a fro.
It has a little bow on it and Iknow I get that from my
grandmother.
My grandmother, she did notplay about her person, girl.
I told y'all that before shedid not play, she was raining
outside, she had the rain cap.
She did not play.
And it was always a thing, likeyou know.
(35:51):
One thing about being a womanand like girly and feminine, was
make sure your hair is done.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Make sure your hair is done that has always stuck
with me.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's how I like you'll see me.
We just started our buddyrelationship, but Nadi has seen
me in a million hair style.
I love that she's seen me in amillion hair style and you will
see me in a million, ok.
Like you'll see me in a millionthat will make me like my hair
is I don't care if my nails aredone, I don't care.
All of that can go.
My hair is not done it stressesme out, like I literally plan
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what I'm going to do around whenI can do my hair, like if I got
braids in, I'm like OK, I gotthis coming up.
This is when I got to take themout to do this.
Like it's a thing, like I getanxiety around it.
So that's my one thing, ok, allright.
So the next question would bewhat are some things that make
you feel good about yourself,like when you know you put these
on, are you wear this or howyou wear it?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
My lashes and my outfit.
Ooh, that's good Like when mylashes look bomb, and then also
when I'm like I really just lovemy look, like my outfit, I just
know Like they might be able tobeat me, like Rihanna says,
they might be able to beat me,but they can't be my outfit.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Not be my outfit, ok, ok.
Ok, mine is probably my hair.
Yeah, if my hair is done, Iknow like whatever I put on at
that point is going to be fine,you know.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
OK, I would say again my hair again as you guys know
I was obsessed with my hair.
But a good pair of shoes, ok, agood pair of shoes.
I got a good pair of shoes.
I'm a shoe girl, but not evenlike necessarily heels, like
just cool shoes, like I don'treally the only thing I don't
really wear are sneakers, like Ihave like a few pairs, but like
I like a cool flat, like a hightop, I love a boot, like it's
(37:35):
the shoe, like shoes.
My shoes are usually myaccessory most of the time.
Ok, I use my shoes as myaccessory, so that would be my
thing.
All right, so I'd like to playa little game before we wrap up
here.
Ok, let's do it, and you?
know some this or that, and youknow we're in the beauty realm
and how we're making you know,you make yourself feel good and
people around you.
So we're going to go for it, ok, ok, all right.
I'm going to ask you guys somequestions.
(37:56):
Is this or that?
You can choose to say both, ifyou want to, or you can say that
one or that one.
Ok, makeup or fresh face?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Makeup.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I mean, look at that, I'm looking around Fresh face.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I was struggling there Because I'm a makeup
artist.
I like light, I like a lightbeat.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I don't need a full beat but a light beat.
I have a chicken pox card thatI need in the cover.
I hate it.
I do it's like right here.
Girl it's probably the smallestthing.
No, it's actually very deep.
I just do a good job atconcealing it.
Okay, skirts are pants.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Pants, skirts.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Long skirts, so like maxis.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I like skirts.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I'm a skirt, I'm a skirt, I don't like short, short
skirts, like mini skirts, likeI can't do because the booty
will fall out.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I like those for like pictures.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yes, it'll be like a cute Y2K picture, but after that
she's coming down.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I just have a whole video on how to sit in a mini
skirt.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Dresses are a jumpsuit Dress.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It depends on what's the vibe.
I mean, I am wearing a jumpsuit.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I like a jumpsuit, because I don't like.
She loves a dress.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I don't like to think about my outfit so typically if
you give me a two piece or onepiece and I can sacrifice it.
I mean, I like the jumpsuit,you know why I feel like the
jumpsuit depending on like onyour bloating days or not
bloating days.
When you have a dress on itdoesn't quite sense you together
as a jumpsuit does.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, like this, yeah like you need that tie
sometimes you know like periodtimes, you know, like a dress
it'll show all out.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know what I mean.
I think jumpsuits are like dayto night.
Right, I don't know.
I wear my dress.
Okay, here I think I like whereI'm really girly.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Lipstick or lip gloss Gloss.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Gloss.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's the toy.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Lip gloss or lip stain GlossOkay, I don't like lip stain.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I also just don't like the stain idea.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I like the matte here , depending on what I need to
get done, like when I'mperforming and I'm singing.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I rather have a matte , because other products are all
over my but stain is likethey're hard to get off and then
like what if I like?
Sometimes I decide after Ileave the house, like no, I
bring a couple, yeah, I bring acouple lipsticks with me, so I'm
like no, not a stain cuz then Ican't change it Okay, straight
or curly hair Straight.
I say curly, I do like my curlyhair.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
I love my.
I mean my hair is curly rightnow I like a good curl.
I like and I love to see one ofmy favorite things and it
happens in my hair and I'm notjust saying it cuz it happens in
my hair.
I love a good ponytail and youcan see that little wave, the
wave.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, it is so.
That's why I like how my hairis, like I just had to leave it
in a mask this morning.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
But yeah, I don't know it's that it's that little
wave there and not a set,because you definitely want to
slick, like yeah slick pointy.
So what is always that little?
You could tell like it'ssomebody's hair pattern, but
they're here, and they're usingthat little wave.
Okay, perfume are body oils.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I've never really used body oils.
I love body oils, I love a goodbody oil because also, and they
last longer.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, they last longer.
And then they make you look allglistening Is glistening.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
No, I use body oils for like lotion now, but not as
like a perfume, like it's like.
I love the scent I use body oillotion and and perfume, all of
them.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
So I'm gonna say both of them I want both of them.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, lotion are body butter.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Body butter, hey, body butter.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
That is our game on this.
Here it is.
How are you gonna answer thatquestion?
Well, ladies, thank y'all somuch for coming on the show.
Thanks for having me, I thinkin my show, I always like to
leave a message, whether it's toyour viewers or to your inner
child, and I'd like to pose aquestion.
If you had to tell your child,or your inner child, or your
younger self about how to acceptyourself in their beauty
(42:12):
standards and their own beautystandards, what would you say to
?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
them.
There's nobody like you.
Nobody Trust yourself like.
Look at yourself and remindyourself of all the amazing
things that you are like.
That's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yes, oh, that was so mean of me.
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
I'm not going to.
I would say you're beautiful.
Don't think about what peoplethink of you.
Don't live your life based onthat.
Don't live your life based onanyone else's actions or words
or what people think you shoulddo.
Trust your instinct.
You were born with a gift.
Use it.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Alright, guys.
So there you have it again.
Thank you, nadia, thank you,bobby, for showing up, and if
you guys had any questions aboutwhat we talked about today, or
if you can relate to anythingthat we talked about today,
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