December 15, 2022 • 54 mins
Last night the bombshell dropped: Henry Cavill is no longer Superman going forward. In this emergency episode we break down everything Henry and James said on social media as well as Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman 3 statement and Gunn's denial of incorporating Reeves' Batman universe into the DCU.
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Welcome in to DC on Screen,the podcast bringing you news and reviews of
the DC multiverse on film and televisionsince twenty fifteen. I am your host,
David C. Robertson, and thisis another very special emergency episode,
jointing me for it our good friendand patron Effiop elders Hi. Today it
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seems is a day for true Ifeel like something happened while I was asleep.
I feel like I was an emergencyof some kind I missed, which
It was funny. We're on prettymuch opposite sides of the world, and
you were asleep because it's the normaltime for you to be asleep. I
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was taking a nap. It workedout that way, and we both had
the same reaction. We both wokeup and the world was on fire.
Yeah, I'm I'm trying to tonedown my bird app consumption a bit.
And it was a bit quieter thatway. I found out by because of
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the notification from from Overcast that therewas a new Badcast episode, and I
was like, uh, well thistitle doesn't look good. Um yeah yeah,
So then I checked Twitter and thenthe world turned out to be on
fire. M many host Holy Badcasthit it quick too, and I haven't
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listened to it yet. I didn'twant to be influenced by their opinions.
I get that I was sadly alreadyinfluenced, but no one of them called
it a therapy session in their messagingapps, and I was like, yeah,
I feel like I need a therapysession right now. Yeah, so
I'd call in the gut punch thatwe got tonight. Um. And there
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is a fair amount of intricacy todiscuss in some of the language here,
but it will it does appear thatHenry cavill is officially out as Superman.
He's he has done and at leastas far as the mainstream universe goes yep,
And I think like it got ittook me like an hour where I
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was just like sitting there thinking like, oh God, what is it like?
Am I too tired to keep goingnow? And I feel like I
have that every couple of weeks withDC because on its face, to people
who don't see the number, whohaven't seen the numbers, to people who
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haven't you know, who don't havethe I who don't have the mind of
a creator. Let's you know,every fan has that thing where they're like
I would do this, but youknow what that don't Yeah, No,
that's just the I would like tosee this because that's my personal fan service.
I'd prefer it's not actually something you'ddo me personally. I like to
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think if they handed me the reins, the first thing I would do is
I would just walk in and sayrestore the Snyder verse because I want to
see that finish, because I'm Idon't already emotionally invested for years now.
Yeah, but at the same time, yeah, I don't know what's exactly
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happening. That's the thing is,and we still don't know. So let's
just get into the statements here.Henry Cavill released a statement about about the
whole thing on Instagram, and hesaid, I have just had a meeting
with James Gunn and Peter Saffron andit's sad news everyone. I will,
after all, not be returning aSuperman after being told by the studio,
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told by the studio to announce myreturn back in October prior to their high
or This news isn't the easiest,but that's life. The changing of the
guard is something that happens. Irespect that James and Peter have a universe
to build. I wish them andall involved with the new universe the best
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of luck and the happiest of fortunesfor those who have been by my side
through the years. We can mournfor a bit, but then we must
remember Superman is still around. Everythinghe stands for still exists, and the
examples he sets for us are stillthere. My turn to where the Cape
has passed, but what Superman standsfor never will. It's been a fun
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ride with you all onwards and upwards. So that sounds pretty definitive. Yeah,
that sounds a bit more than wedo, but it's it's yeah,
yeah, he's he's more emotional aboutit than than Gun made it sound,
which we'll probably get to, butit's, yeah, I get it.
It's it's sad for him. It'sit's it's he's he was clearly ry invested.
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He was, you know, onwhatever press tour, I think,
in all the holmes and very excitedto talk Superman again, and it um,
it's crushing for him too, butit's it's kind of the same way
for us when we got that announcementback in October, and we're just like
got ripped out from under once oncemore. It had been silent for a
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long while and it was like theweekly Willie won't he are they going to
hire him again? Uh? Wegot tired of that. But now yeah,
we sort of got the closure ofno, we're continuing and we're not.
Yeah, it is. It isjust maddening to me a little bit
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one because yeah, he was,he did announced, They told him to
announce his return in October. Wejust got a new Henry cavill bit in
Black Adam. But you know,I hate to to, you know,
throw conjecture in, but I'm gonnabecause this is my show. You get
to enjoy. I get to aslong as no one's you know, if
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someone starts saying this is news whatI'm saying right now, I'll you know,
you got to be James call himout on Twitter. Yeah, and
exactly three people will like it.So but you know, this makes me
feel like Black Adam is not continuingfor sure. Yeah, I get that
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because I feel like if if theywere going to do a sequel, like
why build a new universe, likeat that point you're gonna have three simultaneous
No, I think this means reboot. Do you think it does? I
think it means clear the slate fully, and I think so do you So,
do you think there's no Peacemaker Seasontwo is gone? Do you think
he's just not going to do that? No? I think that depends because
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we're a couple of years away fromthis next Superman entering the stage. We
still have a bunch of projects outsideof Peacemaker in development, where it's like,
if the DCU, for lack ofa better term, the current universe
lasts another year, maybe year anda half until Aquamana and The Flash are
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all out, maybe Peacemaker is producedwithin that timeframe and season two comes out,
and otherwise well, trading in Peacemakerfor a Superman project. He wrote,
like, I'm guessing the guy isnot, you know, that hurt
in terms of getting to do creativelywhat he wants to do or being paid
to do it, because he's finedone, doesn't need much sympathy. He's
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no, no, some hard decisions. So in terms of some of the
harassments, sure, but not interms of oh no, his Peacemaker show,
Like that's not a big thing inthis universe. No. I mean
it was a hit, but Iwasn't. I wasn't suggesting we give him
sympathy for losing Peacemaker, if that'swhat's happening. No, no, no,
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I was suggesting, like, anddoes it make sense to completely reboot
it if you've got a Peacemaker seasontwo that you still need to do,
that you still said was safe.That you know that you clearly had a
lot of you know, emotion andinvestment in But you know, we don't
know what he's doing. Everyone keepsor I keep seeing like's reboot is reboot
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his reboot, but you know,um, the Flash, we don't know
what that was gonna do, Likethe Flash. How many reports have we
gotten that they're they're gonna, liketake Cavalot, they're gonna reboot Superman,
They're gonna leave certain things and they'regonna get rid of They could still do
any of that. They've got allthat footage that they're gonna take her that
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movie to hell, even if onlythe ending, Like they can reshoot half
of it again to fit whatever endingthey want to make or whatever transition to
the new universe they want to do. I don't know if they will,
because you know, it's it's alreadykind of a black hole of money.
But um, yeah, it's I'dhope they take care to make it somewhat
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seamless, but we don't know thatbecause we'll get the slate later hopefully.
Yeah, which, Gun did havea have a what is it called a
thread on twittering he said, Hesays, Peter and I have a DC
slate ready to go, which wecouldn't be more over the moon about.
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We'll be able to share some excitinginformation about our first projects at the beginning
of the new year. Among thoseon the slate is Superman. In the
initial stages our story, we'll befocusing on an earlier part of Superman's life,
so the character will not be playedby Henry Cavill. Does that sound
like he's calling Henry old apparently?But also I heard he confirmed that wasn't
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a small Ville thing, right,So we're talking Daily Planet order, so
in that sense, like, arewe really looking at it at a twenty
Superman and we're like, no,he's he's he's too Buff's he's forty at
this point. No, no,no, no, no, we can't
do this. Yeah, yeah,it was. It was weird when Zach
starting early. It was weird forme when Zach had Calvill playing like whatever
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was like twenty year old. Yeah, Clark can't arguing with Paul on the
truck and I'm like, he's clearlylike thirty five here, Like I don't
understand what we're doing at that scene. Is like like he's a great actor,
but he's he doesn't look the parkat that point. No, we
needed a nineteen year old for that, oh, you know, to be
fair. At the same time,I remember watching Dick Donner's seventy eight Superman
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and going like, this kid walkingup to the frigging tundra does not look
anything like Chris Reeve. And thenhe like comes out and in the in
the suit, and I'm like hegot pretty real quick, you know,
like like, yeah, it's hardto find young people who look like they're
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gonna look like Henry cavill. Ithink that's just the entire problem. We
have to recast because it's it's gonnabe someone, you know, not that
it's hard to find another. That'sthe weird thing about this, though,
he says a gun says among thoseon the slatest Superman in the initial stages,
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in the initial stages, yeah,that our story. Yeah, it's
very specific and very so we're gonnastart young, but also, is there
going to be a time jump thenwith a different actor playing an older Superman?
Like, what kind of timeframe arewe even talking about? Well,
he says, in the initial stages, our story will be focusing on an
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earlier part of Superman's life, sothe character will not be played by Henry
Cavill. But we just had agreat meeting with Henry and we're big fans,
and we talked about a number ofexciting possibilities to work together in the
future. Yeah, what the hellis happening? And what makes what it
makes me think is that they aregoing to lean into the multiverse, and
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it makes me think Henry could comeback as an older version of Superman in
a separate universe, maybe in aTV series, maybe like in a crisis
movie. We just don't know,yeh, like in some project or some
some sort of like he's been sharingthe Kingdom cum things. I rebob you're
calling that out last episode where it'slike there's a lot of Alex Ross and
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I mean, I get it,it's pretty pretty art. But yeah,
it could be an older version.It could just be the version we know.
Um, it could be a lotof things. But it could also
just be a different role, adifferent opportunity other than Superman, which is
going to be weird. That's thatwould be cognitive dissonance. Uh. And
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the only reason I say that optionis out there is because of the Jason
Mamala rumors around on Lobo, whereit's like, if you're gonna clean this
late, and I think, ifyou're gonna clear out Superman, I don't
want you to go halfway because theprevious regime has been sort of wishy washy,
like, yeah, we want toreplace Batman as Superman, but we
want to keep the ones that makeus money because they're not as tainted in
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their eyes. And I'm like,no, no, either do a new
universe and build that up so Ican get invested in that one the way
I already am in this one.Then, yeah, you're gonna lose Jason
Momoa's Aquaman. But if he wantsto come back at Lobo, which I
think he would, then then I'msaying he would like to yea necessarily saying
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this is going to happen anytime soon, but that would be a resolution for
the parties involved, where I'm like, I get that that is disamicable and
if there's something like that out therefor Henry Cavill, wonderful. I'm not
sure what you would cast him as, though, because the man is built
to play Superman in every sense ofthe word. Absolutely. Gunn did say
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it is a movie. He iswriting it and have been for a while.
Like we knew that he was offeredSuperman ages ago. He doesn't know
who's directing yet. They asked ifit was an origin movie. He said,
no way, and they asked,could Ben Affleck direct? He says,
met with Ben yesterday precisely because hewants to direct, and we want
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him to direct. We just haveto find the right project, so not
Superman. Like I'm I'm if we'refinally gonna get an Affleck directed maybe even
Batman movie. Who the hell knows? That would be lovely. I'm yeah.
And that's the thing is, like, if they could keep the DCU
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or Snyder Verse or whatever you wantto call it, they could keep it
around in some capacity from time totime and throw it on HBO Max or
if no one Zaslav he'd probably wantto like license it out to other people.
But they could keep that around insome capacity and slowly build up Crisis.
Yeah, because if you're DC numberone, this is DC, So
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every ten years they're going to rebootanyway in the comics and everything else.
Yeah, but if you want todo DC proper, like you know,
I know Marvel has been doing itrecently, but DC was the one that
started the multiverse shit, So Crisisand all the other like multiverse stories like
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that's all like hyper time and allthat stuff. What was the Grant Morrison
multiversity? Like that is all DC'sDC's ass, And James Gunn knows that,
Yeah, because I feel like hedoes have enough affection for the comics
to be like, if he's gonnabuild to something, I feel like he's
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he's not gonna just leave those threadsaround and be like, no, we're
not going to honor the past.No, he has a bunch of movies
and they're already getting Keaton back forsomething, so they might as well,
you know, lean into a bitof the multiple Earth's thing. But at
the same time, like, yeah, you've got to focus on one of
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the Earth's and it's it's got tobe the one you care most about.
And it's like the fun of thingslike like not well, all all the
the other multiverse numbers we got inthe in the in the Multiversity encyclopedia and
stuff. Those things are fun becausethey're variants to an extent. So if
you're going to incorporate more of them, it shouldn't just be oh, basically
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roughly the same characterization on a differentEarth because it was a different actor at
a different time. I feel likeyou, I would want then to have
the new cast, which is inevitablygoing to happen, uh, to to
play different versions of Superman on differentearths basically, and of Man and of
Wonder Woman, or at the veryleast, like we've been hoping for for
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years, if it's a different versionthat's a different character, like use use
the Thomas Wayne from your one Earthto play the one in your Flashpoint Earth
at that type of stuff, Like, I would want that sort of continuity
where it's not where it is more. It is easier to do that with
Cavil as a way older Kingdom cometype Superman where I'm like, yeah,
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I'm good with that because you cansort of draw a line like, oh,
he's going to grow into that,um, But I wouldn't. I
wouldn't like it as much if it'sjust the oh, we're crossing over different
franchises from different DC eras, thatthat could just I feel it's also just
rehashing the hurt of this universe thatwas sort of scrambled, because I feel
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the only reason I like the rebootidea is the the getting to care about
something else again, because fixing theSnyder Verse without Snyder and the original plan
was just never gonna that that gotus into this jumbled mess of well kind
of will keep some things, willchange a bunch of them that wasn't going
to please anyone, And at leastthis way you can build a fan base
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for the new ship and you're goingto piss off people. Absolutely, I
am not like this was not whatI was hoping for it. Yeah,
I know you listen to the showlike we yeah, honestly hoping that he
would restore it, not absolutely ifhe. If he, if he were
just gonna just fucking finish it off, get it out there, and then
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you know, we all know itwas a there was a finality to it.
We all know it was five moviesroughly some some in between stuff,
but like it could have been donein a couple of years. If it
was just the main installments, we'dhave a reset button and you could do
your reboot. But we're not goingto get that. So I know every
morning, like I said, wedon't know if they came. They went
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to Zach and they said, weknew a mini series. You get one
shot, one season, can youwrap it? You know. I wonder
if he would I wonder if hewould do it me too. I don't
know, But somehow I don't doubthis his love for the cast and the
world he built. So I nevergot the the at least from his public
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statements, in so far as thereare those, I never got the impression
that he's opposed to getting into thatconversation with WB right. I mean,
he was the ones like their buddies, you know, they're fine, yeah,
which I've seen a lot of peoplebe like, oh, yeah,
see, this is what Snyder's bestfriend did. Ain't nobody said they were
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best friends, all right. Ain'tnobody said that they were like calling each
other on the weekends to talk aboutyou know, did you read the comics?
No? No, they have jobs, lives, but they I think
they are friends, and I think, like, you know, not that
not that the extremist cultists would everadmit to anything like this. But you
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know, I think Snyder would probablyjust say, like, no, you
gotta you gotta shoot your shot.You're a charge. Now you do it,
Like, don't you know you're notbeholding to anything I'm doing. Yeah,
Like I get it. You knowthis is a guy that like said,
dude, Matt Reeves Batman looks cool. I'm there for it is awesome.
Yeah, so now, of courseMatt Reeves is Batman. It seems
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a bit more a Snyder's alley justjust because of the tone. But um,
yeah, I'd imagine James Gunn hashis own plans for the Grander universe
and if that doesn't fit in,yeah, I business wise, I could
get. I get that. You'renot just gonna invest more in a universe,
you're gonna kill off. There's alreadya bootle of project where we're like,
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yeah, this is this is gonnafizzle out. I guess maybe we
like it's it's weird, are certainabout anything, but we're just we're just
not like we don't know. We'vegot a Shazam two coming, We've got
the Flash, We've got Blue Beetleand Aquaman. Two yea, and the
Flash could have a lot to dowith just shift in the universe a bit.
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But we know if they end onthat because right now I think Aquaman
is the latest in the release schedule, right, yes, yeah, so
that that would be an interesting movieto have to end on or get in
or transition out of into whatever isnext for Superman and the rest quite frankly,
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and it might actually, you know, God help us. As crazy
as they went with Peacemaker season one, Gun really could wrap up the universe
with Peacemaker season two and just havelike some kind of crazy like he could
bring in bat Might or something crazyhious if you had John Cena like talking
to bat Might and like trying tolike, I don't know, like just
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dimension ship your way out of it, yeah, just trying to like get
him to be like, look,I know, I know, I don't.
You don't have to like just inthe universe. I mean, I
know you're you're a big Batman fan. Yeah, and we haven't seen Ben
forever, who's been um yeah man, uh so that would actually be pretty
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fantastic if they had bat Might beinglike the Twitter fan who was like pissed
off, was like Ben was supposedto have a cameo and Aquaman too,
and I didn't even see that,Like it wasn't even there, and Peacemakers
just like, dude, I don'tknow what you're talking about. That would
be very, very funny, andI would respect that. I would respect
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the hell of it out of it. It would still be a weird way
too, but it would acknowledge theweird of how this universe is gonna not
continue. Yeah, because that isalso doing both and I can't imagine having
this around for too long while you'reworking on a Superman in an earlier stage
of his career where it's like,yeah, that's got to mean a new
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universe, a DCU to get into, um, I like universe and stuff
where I'm like, yeah, you'regonna build that out, You're not gonna
sort of merge it. I thinkhe just came up with the tagline the
DCU you can get into call me. Yeah, like call me. Look,
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you know, you look at thecomics, you look at the anime
of the series, you look atall this bullshit, and bat Might,
as a fourth Wall character. BatMight knows that as a movie, he
knows that it's a comic you knowthat's how they ended freaking Batman. The
Brave and the bold is like batMight showed up. It's like, I'm
ready for more of a dark andgritty Batman. Now we gotta get this
canceled. Um amazing. Yeah,so you know I'm down with it.
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Do I want Justice League two andthree or some reasonable facts simily with Snyder
at the helm? Yes? Absolutely. You know, would I pay all
the rubles to go see a batFleck Death Stroke film? Yeah, I
would absolutely. But if that fitsin a different universe and it's a different
Batman, I can live with that. And there's there's places for all these
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actors to be pre instated in someother way, like oh yeah, imagine
will not say no to another rolein the DC universe the guys he'll live.
Yeah. Actually, you know what, we kind of touched on it
earlier, But that's a good point. I think Gunn is looking at a
future slate and saying, I wantto do this and this and this.
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But meanwhile Snyder. Snyder did hisvision, which is great and I love
it. But um, when you'relooking at like a big like ten twenty
year, let's just say ten yearfor what they're doing, but they're talking
about doing right now. Ben Affleckas old as shit. Yeah he's a
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meme at this point. Yeah,Like he's just I mean, he's built
and whatnot, but he's he's old. We're not gonna have like a sixty
year old Ben Affleck, Like Idon't think he's got that much interest in
him as far as like just him, Like, yeah, we have like
a seventy year old Michael Keaton tryingto play Batman again. But and we
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certainly could, Like I think ifSnyder did come back in some capacity at
some point, I think Ben wouldcome back for it probably, But yeah,
there was that. I love this, I love and I love the
transparency of Gun, like I've beensaying, like, this is absolutely what
we would not have exactly as theregime getting like in front of it,
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like he's getting ahead of this hisnews cycle without hiding essentially without not like
the last regime just kind of nevernever told us much of anything. So
we were continuously guessing, and thatvery logically led to our conclusion that there
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was no plan in place, whichreally there wasn't. There wasn't anything good
going on in terms of a plan. And at least now we were trying
to roadmap something. We had agood weight, they had a slate,
They had a good plan when Snyderwas still in charge and they had you
know, the Cyborg movie and theFlash movie wonderful. Yeah, and then
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like they lost a few directors anddidn't know what they wanted to do,
and like us, immediately they werebeing reactionary and cutting everything apart and have
the trailer company edit your suicide Squadmovie. Yea, it makes a lot
of sense. Yeah, So wehad a couple other things I wanted to
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bring up that is, uh,you know that Variety article. I was
saying that they were considering bringing inMatt Reeves the Batman into the DC Universe
mainline, main continuity, and Gunnrefuted that immediately said, you know,
there are a few reporters I lovemore than Adam b. Verry. He
is truly a good guy. Butin this case he needs to get a
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new source as this is entirely untrue. But you know importantly, what I
was what absolutely I love that hewas doing that. But my first thought
was this is a constant with WarnerBrothers. There are sourced there, like
he is a reporter like there issomebody in DC who was telling him this
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shit, which just makes me thinkit's like a conspiracy inside of Like there
are people inside of WB trying tolike bury Gun, you know what I
mean? Like, yeah, Iget that, Yeah, because it is
it is very much trying to likesee what they still do in the media,
like what what will the response befrom the audience, and and let's
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put pressure on each other. Couldn'tall the time that way, yeah,
because we're trained at this point toread every headline with a what's in the
article and be what ulterior motive couldthere have been to put this out or
leak this or who might have saidsomething, you know, and why we're
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already guessing every time when it's it'slike, yeah, this might have been
their PR team to you know,put some pressure on their deal and that
they want to get signed again sothey want to have some fan hype to
back them up. And it's like, why is everything this this sneaky?
Why can't they indeed be someone likeGun, Like that's that's not what we're
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gonna do. And I feel likeit's a it's a shame because they have
something there with the Batman, butI'm also like, they need to wrap
up that trilogy and then focus ontheir universe with whatever new Superman this is.
Yeah, I am open whatever MattReeves wants to do if he gets
to you know, the third theBatman and decides he wants Superman and Wonder
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Woman to show up like and whateverthey're verse, his version of those characters
will be sure. You know,I doubt he will, but I'm sure
I doubt it too. You know, he feels like he feels like I
was going to say he's Minnie noone. You could do CD Superman.
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Oh absolutely, and I would.I would be very intrigued to see it.
But I feel like Reeves is alsothe guy who was like a guy
flying Come on now, no,no, no, we have a guy
in a in a squirrel suit.That is silly enough, you know what.
I want to see Matt Reeves doSuperman. And just because somewhere in
my head, I'm like, oh, you thought you thought Snyder's Superman exactly?
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You you called this shit depressing?No no, no, no no,
I legituinely haven't rewatched The Batman infool yet. I just I have
it on HBO Max sort of halfwaywhere I was like, gosh, this
is this is a long movie,and I already kind of know where it's
going, So that one is muchmore dour than anything Spider has put out
in my personal opinion. But foyeah, Reeves would do like the Superman
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and it would just like it wouldbe like a loose interpretation of that comic
from many years ago where it waslike the guy who was mentally challenged and
living in a home and thought hewas a superhero and he called himself Superman
and it was like, really sad, I hate this. That's what Reeves
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would do. Oh, I can'tdisagree with you, but at oh that's
that's terrible. No, Like,I had an idea and I do want
to put that out there first.Um, if if we're gonna hold out
any hope whatsoever for this now verse, I feel like the best way to
do that might be too sort ofum pull a fast one on us.
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So you build up a new universeand like whatever crisis they're working towards,
you combine them. You you sortof you you go. You rework the
time travel thing from from Justice Leaguetwo or three where they go from the
Nightmare to the new universe you've builtto get their help defeating dark Side in
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the originals nine of verse. Nowthat would be something I want to read
or watch or whatever. But alsoI feel like I now just ruined the
emotional impact for myself in ten years. Also, bat like would be way
way geriatric for that, but youknow, I'd like to see it.
All of the stunts are not doneby him anyway, so right, No,
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so they just have like a coupleof shots of him looking angry in
the suit and yeah, or likesitting in the tank and being then it's
Richards promise stuff again and jumping downpunching people. Yeah, that's that's that's
what you do. I'd be I'dbe like if if if a portal opens
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up in the in the like ifif a boom tube just shows up and
you're like, ah, I haven'tseen those in a while, that would
make me cry at that point.And that was just sort of the the
the the feeling, the idea Ihad to like share, but um,
I doubt it at this point.It's just yeah, they're gonna they're gonna
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want to do something their own andnot try to mishmash their way through a
bunch of old stuff that really didn'tsatisfy anyone because they fucked it up.
And some people are like, well, then shows the actual good idea.
And some people are like, yeah, that wasn't ever a good idea,
and those people are wrong. Butthere's there's so, so, so a
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few ways to solve this mess ina way that's still coherent. Whereas like,
yeah, of course I get itas a creative that you're like,
I just want to I just wantto do it now. I just want
to do something else. I don'twant to try and clue this bunch of
shards together into a phase again andhope it doesn't turn out to be an
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ashtray. Yeah, I mean they'rereally There's really not a lot to say
about it. I mean, like, yeah, Patty Jenkins came out and
said, I never walked away fromWonder Woman three. I was open to
considering anything asked to me. Itwas my understanding. There was nothing I
could do to move anything forward atthis time. DC is obviously bird in
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changes they are having to make,so I understand these decisions are difficult right
now. And then Gunn said Icould attest that all of Peter and my
interactions with you were only pleasant andprofessional, which is to say that I
personally believe me, David. Ibelieve she absolutely did have a little shit
storm walk off with Abdi and Uhand de Luca, and I am almost
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eighty percent certain she did send themthat email with the link to character arc
on Wikipedia, like, yeah,she was not happy. I'm pretty sure
she wasn't. Also, there wasa sentence like in the third paragraph or
something, I don't know if youhaven't have it in front of you,
where she'd hate to end on adown note or something. It was like,
(34:30):
did you watch your most recent wonderWoman? Yeah? Because that felt
like a downlote to me. Look, okay, I love the Snyder verse.
I don't even acknowledge that Wonder Womannineteen eighty four happened. It does.
I did not purchase it doesn't exist, it is. I do not
own a copy of that movie,neither on digital nor on physical. That
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hurts me in some ways, butI just can't acknowledge it as an actual
film. It was awful, Yeah, awful. No, it's it's just
on my wish list, it's notin on my actual shelfe list. And
been like, let's give her thatfor Christmas. Yeah, I can.
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I can see Effie on my monitorand she's just turned and she's just looking
in another direction and I'm like,is it a ghost? What is happening?
Um no, No, that's theDC shelf with all of the movies
got and and like up to theSuicide Squad, it seems, and uh
yeah, yeah so and that's theother thing, is like the Suicide Squad,
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you would think you like, tome, like, some of this
doesn't make sense to me, becauseto me, I would be like,
he clearly liked the universe enough tolike want to be a part of it
and do because they told him hecould do anything, and he chose to
do something in universe yeah, andthen doubled down on that with with Peacemaker.
So it to me anything was likehow limitless that was made. Like
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if he'd said I want to rebootthe universe at that stage, I think
he might have gotten some pushback tobe like, okay, but what characters
and how could you incorporate them inthis one? Well? I don't know,
because I seem to recall that hesaid they did not tell him it
had to be inside of any givenuniverse. He could have just made his
own suicide squad movie and could havegone with it. Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah, he's James Gunn of coursehe could. Yeah, even at
that time, but he could havereally grand plan on it. He could
have tried, but it wouldn't haveimmediately gotten in. They would have meddled
with him a lot more than nowthat he's in the actual seat. Yeah
we'll cut out, they'll Yeah,No, I won't. I won't.
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Um, we're too tired to cutout the on. Oh well, I
hope you enjoyed it. I will. I'll reiterate though, as I guess,
it feels like we're kind of wrappingup, doesn't it. Yeah,
yeah, there's there's only so muchto say because it is. It is
a bit of wait and see.It's just nice to have the early announcement
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in the sense that we can alreadysay our goodbyes. I'm probably gonna watch
the quote unquote trilogy today just torelive some moments and and yeah, sort
of grieve a bit in advance,to hopefully be excited for a new slate
once it is announced. Yeah,like I you know, my office is
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a shrine to all things DC.But you know, when I walk in,
it is like my top three versionsof these characters. I've gotten action
figures across, you know, onthe wall here it's like Batman sixty six,
Zack Snyder's Justice League and that canon, and then Batman the animated series
and that canon. And like,walk in, I see that in that
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turn and there's like my Square EnixTenant, bat Fleck and Cavil, and
I was just like, this isdepressing, Like I've got to leave my
office now. Yeah, like Ibecause part of me does feel like they're
going to completely reboot. I mean, part of me feels like that doesn't
make sense for what you've already built, James. And then another part of
(38:15):
me thinks like, yeah, butyou can also scrap the shit you've already
made and do something else. Butit also might make sense to do both.
And I think as long as myopinion somewhere, my opinion is that
that's what they'll wind up doing overall, Like there will be a crisis we
or a kingdom come or something,we can call it whatever you want,
(38:36):
and uh, and we will windup seeing Cavil in some capacity. Maybe
he's just Clark, maybe he's youknow, maybe It's like the Tom Welling
Superman in or Clark on the Crisison another beloved Superman who quit being Superman.
Um. We just it could goa number of ways, and yet
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I feel like you want that onein five or ten years. You want
that to be a cheer moment andnot to feel like, oh, we
got scraps. You don't want tostill be reminded of, Yeah, you
left that universe in the dirt anddidn't didn't really wrap anything up. I
feel like you want to get aheadof that by by sort of giving it
(39:19):
that that farewell that makes us slightlyless well, hurt wounded is really only
the only way I can describe it, because if if it, just if
the universe ended here with the cameoand Black Adam, I would be far
more than knowing where you're still gettingin the Flash or Aquaman. No.
I just had an idea, hedoes, James says, among those this
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Superman in the initial stages are inthe initial stages, our story will be
focusing on an earlier part of Superman'slife. Who else do they call in
Superman? Right now? In theDC comics, John Kent, Right as
we leave, Zack Snyder's Justice League, Lois is pregnant. So if they
have Cavill come back as Superman,but he's not Superman anymore. He's just
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John's dad who's like teaching him howto be a hero. Really, this
is all conjectured that that that,But at the same time, if you're
gonna then age up Clark, whatdo you do with everyone? He'll have
to age up Clark. Yeah,you know, like because he's Superman,
you could just be like, yeah, that's fair. But I mean,
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then if if you're going to timejump essentially to where John is late teens,
early twenties, Uh, Gal doesn'tage, Sure, does Aquaman age?
Uh? Flashes Central does sort of? Yeah, But if he's often
the multiverse somewhere, we don't evenknow where he's at, you know,
nobody knows what that's viewing anyway.I'm just saying there are ways, and
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if there's anyone who's smart enough incomic book lord to do it, it
is gun. I think if someway that's true. Yeah, if he
really wants to, he'll find away. But at the same time,
these characters are bigger than the actors. The lore is bigger than any person's
vision. So I am still interestedto see what's happening, And honestly,
(41:15):
I hope we get some news onthe slate, and I hope there is
a reason for us to be excitedabout these upcoming DC movies exactly because because
I don't want to go a wholeyearn to go a whole year being annoyed,
Yeah, and just being like Idon't give a shit about this now.
That's that's the tires part, whereit's like, Yeah, if there
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wasn't something pre established, I wouldn'thave to be mad about this. I
would just be like, oh mygod, they're building a new universe,
wonderful. But this didn't happen tenyears ago. This happened now, and
we have ten years of movies tosort of do something with. Yeah,
So, like I I hope,I hope for the best, whatever that
(41:58):
is. Yeah, thy will bedone. Lord and Savior James Gunn or
whoever. I'm sure his ego willappreciate that. Yeah, I mean a
reboot would make sense in certain senses. But then again, I feel like
this whole next year is going tobe like if they wiped the slate clean
(42:20):
completely, it would make sense.So I don't know, but you know,
I'm they haven't done what I thoughtwould make sense in the first place.
But I did say, and youmight remember if they never do Zack
Snyder's Justice League doing three or messwith that again, we'll know whether we
get the numbers or not that itdidn't make money because of because of David
(42:44):
Zaz's laugh and how he's how muchof an asshole he is. Yeah,
but also I would I would trustthat right now. But given the previous
heads and they're track record, Ifeel like even if it was the most
glorious of successes, they still tryto bury that shit hard because they had
(43:08):
other plans that they didn't want toshare the spotlight. Yeah, I still
feel like there's numbers there that willjust never know because they don't want us
to know that we were successful.M No, naturally, Yeah, American.
Well, because at this point,I feel like going off the equation
(43:30):
of I think there's more money inbuilding a new universe from scratch with gun
at the Helm than rehashing this onefor only two movies that might be profitable
and then nothing and then doing thesame amount of work that we can just
do now, I feel like thatis more where Zaslav is like financially this
makes sense. Yeah, I thinkhe wants he wants everything, and you
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know, as black Adam just showedhim he can't have it. Even if
they made fifty to seventy million,like Rock claims, that's still not a
lot. No, no, it'sit's barely plowing your way through. It's
not Marvel numbers. Of course,all the movies are struggling currently, but
you're not making a random a twentyfour movie. You're you're making a comic
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book blockbuster, and you want thoseresults because it is a business. And
I feel like I'm like just theconcept of crossing everything over again with TV
and animation, that's exciting. That'sthat that will be fun. And of
course yeah Marvel has been for awhile, but I want something good.
I want that ship to be goodin DC as well. And and having
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more content is always a bonus becauseat that point I won't be as mad
if something's because there will be somethingnew next time. Yeah you say that,
but where are you out on yourcw rewatch or your CW watch.
I mean like you had plenty ofcontent there, but yeah, yeah,
a lot of it is just absolutedog shit. So yeah, there's a
(44:58):
difference between occasionally something is at andall of it is docshit, which not
all of it is, of course, but like the current stuff outside of
Superman and alones, which is outsideof the universe somehow with that diggle anyways,
I hey, but it's the bestthing CW has done and forever.
(45:21):
It's so good. I will catchup with that first probably that. Yeah,
like I said, we don't knowwhat they're doing exactly. We don't
know what gun is doing. Uh, Snyder Verse fans, I implore you,
as someone who wants to see allof the Snyder Verse things be realized,
(45:43):
please don't attack James Gunn. That'snot going to help our case in
any way. And um, becauseI've seen some some replies to the tweets
where it's definitely like, oh,let's rehash the offensive tweets and like,
yeah, those tweets were tasteless.There's there's some some slurs in there that
personally affect me, and I'm like, nope, nope, not a fan
(46:04):
of this. But he was ina different time, being young, making
bad jokes. I'm not gonna holdthat against the guy forever. Like,
yeah, it was a dick whoI was a dick ten years ago.
Um, so like, yeah,I don't know, Sorry, No,
you're good. Uh yeah. Peoplescrew up, people say stupid shit,
(46:27):
and then you know you gotta moveon. That doesn't necessarily mean they're they're
a bad person. Um and that'sfine. What was it gonna say the
Uh Yeah. In some ways Iwould rather that the Snyder verse b B
kept intact and have those three Snydermovies than them tinker with the same universe
(46:52):
and actors until it just gets worseand worse and worse, because I feel
like, yeah, at some pointyou're going to hand over the reins to
like what you've built and blah blahblah. But he's no longer involved in
any way, so there's no handingover of rains. There's just people taking
his shit and running with it.And in some ways, I'm like,
(47:12):
yeah, I'd rather get infested ina new Superman. Hopefully the movie is
good than having to watch Cavill dosomething that doesn't feel like the same Superman
to me. Yeah, I agreewith that too, Like I didn't,
Yeah, I agree. I feellike there is something where it's like if
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the way he keeps talking about initialplans. I feel like he's just like,
I want to get our slate startedand DC the DC universe started,
and then yeah, down the roadand then we can like look into other
things, you know, once weeksas we move on, right, because
(47:57):
he knows, they all know there'sabsolutely a market for the rest of the
Snyder Verse to be made. Andif James Gunn has already, like without
being in charge, has already talkedto Marvel and Kevin Feige about doing a
Marvel versus DC movie, you knowhe's already thinking about crisis. You know
he's thinking about that. Of courseI would be too. If I got
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handed the job, I would belike, Okay, what kind of crisis
are we building to? What willbe the huge event? Yes, five
years, that's the first thing youthink of me personally. I'd probably build
to identity crisis first. That's probablywhat I would do, and I would
probably start not with it because thisis me. I'm crazy. The first
thing I would do an adaptation ofNew Frontier. Ah, right, it
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would be History of the Universe Losolo films. History of the Universe.
Yeah, just like what went before? What jaz a, stuff like you
want to you want to get caughtup and then build to something from there.
It's which by the way. Also, you know, Darwin did the
best version of Batman versus Superman,so um, and I would love to
(49:12):
be able to help out Darwin's family. Yeah might as well. Yeah,
absolutely So. Like I said,we don't know what's happening, but I
think it's best if we all keepcalm heads and not get settled down with
our sadness because it might not be. Something wonderful could come from this.
(49:34):
Yeah, And it's it's and tome, it is more sadness than the
outrage I've been seeing. And Ifeel like that's that might be my personality,
but still it's it's something some peoplemight be wise to to to take
the page out of my book fromreally, just come on there. It's
no use being mad about it.It's it's just what's gonna happen. It's
(49:55):
what the business is gonna do.And hopefully it will be good and it
will be fun and it will notbe unfunny, and that is the best
we can hope for, and wehave something to look forward to in the
next year. And I still pleadI'm not saying don't say don't do the
hashtag restore the Snyder Verse. Justdo it respectfully. Yeah, just you
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know, don't be a dick aboutit. Absolutely, I want to.
I want them to still release theaircut. That's some form of closure of
like this is what we were actuallydoing at that time. Yeah, absolutely,
so would be neat anyway. Ithink that's gonna put this one in
the books. What do you thinki'd agree your co host on this episode,
(50:37):
you get to you get to say, yeah, no, I think
I have got everything out of mysystem that I really needed to. I
think I just want to get backto either watching the movie or putting on
the soundtrack. And like, ifthey that's my only demand for a new
Superman movie, they have to giveme something at least half as good as
the Zimmer score, that's all Iask. If they don't do that,
(50:59):
I'm a slightly disappointed. I don'tknow what that would sound like. And
my guess is it's probably just gonnabe the John william score. Yeah,
they're gonna they're gonna chicken out anddo that, aren't they. Yeah,
yeah, they will, I thinkso. I'm so sorry to end it
on this note. Yeah, yeah, that's what we're gonna do. You
(51:20):
could have ended it on three notes, but no, no, no,
no no, had to end iton this one on a march. Anyway,
that's fine. Thank you for listening. I hope we helped you through
some of this difficult time. We'restill getting used to the James Gunn of
it all, so I don't knowhow many more emergency episodes I'm gonna keep
doing. We'll get used to iteventually and we'll just be like, I'll
(51:45):
wait until Sunday. Um, Effie, thank you so much for suggesting this
episode. I was already wondering ifI should do it, and then you
said, I'll hop on if youdo. An emergency episode felt like a
good excuse to call all in.Yeah, tell the folks where they can
find you online. Are you plugginganything these days? Yeah? Well,
(52:07):
there's still still the archives of stealingthe remote. It's not very active right
now or in the your future asfar as I know. But um,
as long as I haven't found analternative bird app to the one currently run
by some eleven billionaire, UM,I am on Twitter. It's in Effie
shiancy So in Ffie with an extraE Shancy and um. The same goes
(52:31):
for Letterbox. That one is hopefullymore stable, not run by a malevolent
billionaire as far as I'm aware,I'm sure, I'm sure there's no such
thing as a as a like asa benevolent billionaire, but you know,
less malevolent billionaire I assume, rightlike Batman, right right, Sure,
(52:53):
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Welcome in to DC on Screen,the podcast bringing you news and reviews of
the DC multiverse on film and televisionsince twenty fifteen. I am your host,
David C. Robertson, and thisis another very special emergency episode,
jointing me for it our good friendand patron Effiop elders Hi. Today it
(00:27):
seems is a day for true Ifeel like something happened while I was asleep.
I feel like I was an emergencyof some kind I missed, which
It was funny. We're on prettymuch opposite sides of the world, and
you were asleep because it's the normaltime for you to be asleep. I
(00:50):
was taking a nap. It workedout that way, and we both had
the same reaction. We both wokeup and the world was on fire.
Yeah, I'm I'm trying to tonedown my bird app consumption a bit.
And it was a bit quieter thatway. I found out by because of
(01:11):
the notification from from Overcast that therewas a new Badcast episode, and I
was like, uh, well thistitle doesn't look good. Um yeah yeah,
So then I checked Twitter and thenthe world turned out to be on
fire. M many host Holy Badcasthit it quick too, and I haven't
(01:33):
listened to it yet. I didn'twant to be influenced by their opinions.
I get that I was sadly alreadyinfluenced, but no one of them called
it a therapy session in their messagingapps, and I was like, yeah,
I feel like I need a therapysession right now. Yeah, so
I'd call in the gut punch thatwe got tonight. Um. And there
(02:00):
is a fair amount of intricacy todiscuss in some of the language here,
but it will it does appear thatHenry cavill is officially out as Superman.
He's he has done and at leastas far as the mainstream universe goes yep,
And I think like it got ittook me like an hour where I
(02:23):
was just like sitting there thinking like, oh God, what is it like?
Am I too tired to keep goingnow? And I feel like I
have that every couple of weeks withDC because on its face, to people
who don't see the number, whohaven't seen the numbers, to people who
(02:46):
haven't you know, who don't havethe I who don't have the mind of
a creator. Let's you know,every fan has that thing where they're like
I would do this, but youknow what that don't Yeah, No,
that's just the I would like tosee this because that's my personal fan service.
I'd prefer it's not actually something you'ddo me personally. I like to
(03:09):
think if they handed me the reins, the first thing I would do is
I would just walk in and sayrestore the Snyder verse because I want to
see that finish, because I'm Idon't already emotionally invested for years now.
Yeah, but at the same time, yeah, I don't know what's exactly
(03:30):
happening. That's the thing is,and we still don't know. So let's
just get into the statements here.Henry Cavill released a statement about about the
whole thing on Instagram, and hesaid, I have just had a meeting
with James Gunn and Peter Saffron andit's sad news everyone. I will,
after all, not be returning aSuperman after being told by the studio,
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told by the studio to announce myreturn back in October prior to their high
or This news isn't the easiest,but that's life. The changing of the
guard is something that happens. Irespect that James and Peter have a universe
to build. I wish them andall involved with the new universe the best
(04:15):
of luck and the happiest of fortunesfor those who have been by my side
through the years. We can mournfor a bit, but then we must
remember Superman is still around. Everythinghe stands for still exists, and the
examples he sets for us are stillthere. My turn to where the Cape
has passed, but what Superman standsfor never will. It's been a fun
(04:38):
ride with you all onwards and upwards. So that sounds pretty definitive. Yeah,
that sounds a bit more than wedo, but it's it's yeah,
yeah, he's he's more emotional aboutit than than Gun made it sound,
which we'll probably get to, butit's, yeah, I get it.
It's it's sad for him. It'sit's it's he's he was clearly ry invested.
(05:00):
He was, you know, onwhatever press tour, I think,
in all the holmes and very excitedto talk Superman again, and it um,
it's crushing for him too, butit's it's kind of the same way
for us when we got that announcementback in October, and we're just like
got ripped out from under once oncemore. It had been silent for a
(05:21):
long while and it was like theweekly Willie won't he are they going to
hire him again? Uh? Wegot tired of that. But now yeah,
we sort of got the closure ofno, we're continuing and we're not.
Yeah, it is. It isjust maddening to me a little bit
(05:41):
one because yeah, he was,he did announced, They told him to
announce his return in October. Wejust got a new Henry cavill bit in
Black Adam. But you know,I hate to to, you know,
throw conjecture in, but I'm gonnabecause this is my show. You get
to enjoy. I get to aslong as no one's you know, if
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someone starts saying this is news whatI'm saying right now, I'll you know,
you got to be James call himout on Twitter. Yeah, and
exactly three people will like it.So but you know, this makes me
feel like Black Adam is not continuingfor sure. Yeah, I get that
(06:27):
because I feel like if if theywere going to do a sequel, like
why build a new universe, likeat that point you're gonna have three simultaneous
No, I think this means reboot. Do you think it does? I
think it means clear the slate fully, and I think so do you So,
do you think there's no Peacemaker Seasontwo is gone? Do you think
he's just not going to do that? No? I think that depends because
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we're a couple of years away fromthis next Superman entering the stage. We
still have a bunch of projects outsideof Peacemaker in development, where it's like,
if the DCU, for lack ofa better term, the current universe
lasts another year, maybe year anda half until Aquamana and The Flash are
(07:14):
all out, maybe Peacemaker is producedwithin that timeframe and season two comes out,
and otherwise well, trading in Peacemakerfor a Superman project. He wrote,
like, I'm guessing the guy isnot, you know, that hurt
in terms of getting to do creativelywhat he wants to do or being paid
to do it, because he's finedone, doesn't need much sympathy. He's
(07:38):
no, no, some hard decisions. So in terms of some of the
harassments, sure, but not interms of oh no, his Peacemaker show,
Like that's not a big thing inthis universe. No. I mean
it was a hit, but Iwasn't. I wasn't suggesting we give him
sympathy for losing Peacemaker, if that'swhat's happening. No, no, no,
(07:59):
I was suggesting, like, anddoes it make sense to completely reboot
it if you've got a Peacemaker seasontwo that you still need to do,
that you still said was safe.That you know that you clearly had a
lot of you know, emotion andinvestment in But you know, we don't
know what he's doing. Everyone keepsor I keep seeing like's reboot is reboot
(08:24):
his reboot, but you know,um, the Flash, we don't know
what that was gonna do, Likethe Flash. How many reports have we
gotten that they're they're gonna, liketake Cavalot, they're gonna reboot Superman,
They're gonna leave certain things and they'regonna get rid of They could still do
any of that. They've got allthat footage that they're gonna take her that
(08:45):
movie to hell, even if onlythe ending, Like they can reshoot half
of it again to fit whatever endingthey want to make or whatever transition to
the new universe they want to do. I don't know if they will,
because you know, it's it's alreadykind of a black hole of money.
But um, yeah, it's I'dhope they take care to make it somewhat
(09:07):
seamless, but we don't know thatbecause we'll get the slate later hopefully.
Yeah, which, Gun did havea have a what is it called a
thread on twittering he said, Hesays, Peter and I have a DC
slate ready to go, which wecouldn't be more over the moon about.
(09:28):
We'll be able to share some excitinginformation about our first projects at the beginning
of the new year. Among thoseon the slate is Superman. In the
initial stages our story, we'll befocusing on an earlier part of Superman's life,
so the character will not be playedby Henry Cavill. Does that sound
like he's calling Henry old apparently?But also I heard he confirmed that wasn't
(09:54):
a small Ville thing, right,So we're talking Daily Planet order, so
in that sense, like, arewe really looking at it at a twenty
Superman and we're like, no,he's he's he's too Buff's he's forty at
this point. No, no,no, no, no, we can't
do this. Yeah, yeah,it was. It was weird when Zach
starting early. It was weird forme when Zach had Calvill playing like whatever
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was like twenty year old. Yeah, Clark can't arguing with Paul on the
truck and I'm like, he's clearlylike thirty five here, Like I don't
understand what we're doing at that scene. Is like like he's a great actor,
but he's he doesn't look the parkat that point. No, we
needed a nineteen year old for that, oh, you know, to be
fair. At the same time,I remember watching Dick Donner's seventy eight Superman
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and going like, this kid walkingup to the frigging tundra does not look
anything like Chris Reeve. And thenhe like comes out and in the in
the suit, and I'm like hegot pretty real quick, you know,
like like, yeah, it's hardto find young people who look like they're
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gonna look like Henry cavill. Ithink that's just the entire problem. We
have to recast because it's it's gonnabe someone, you know, not that
it's hard to find another. That'sthe weird thing about this, though,
he says a gun says among thoseon the slatest Superman in the initial stages,
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in the initial stages, yeah,that our story. Yeah, it's
very specific and very so we're gonnastart young, but also, is there
going to be a time jump thenwith a different actor playing an older Superman?
Like, what kind of timeframe arewe even talking about? Well,
he says, in the initial stages, our story will be focusing on an
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earlier part of Superman's life, sothe character will not be played by Henry
Cavill. But we just had agreat meeting with Henry and we're big fans,
and we talked about a number ofexciting possibilities to work together in the
future. Yeah, what the hellis happening? And what makes what it
makes me think is that they aregoing to lean into the multiverse, and
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it makes me think Henry could comeback as an older version of Superman in
a separate universe, maybe in aTV series, maybe like in a crisis
movie. We just don't know,yeh, like in some project or some
some sort of like he's been sharingthe Kingdom cum things. I rebob you're
calling that out last episode where it'slike there's a lot of Alex Ross and
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I mean, I get it,it's pretty pretty art. But yeah,
it could be an older version.It could just be the version we know.
Um, it could be a lotof things. But it could also
just be a different role, adifferent opportunity other than Superman, which is
going to be weird. That's thatwould be cognitive dissonance. Uh. And
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the only reason I say that optionis out there is because of the Jason
Mamala rumors around on Lobo, whereit's like, if you're gonna clean this
late, and I think, ifyou're gonna clear out Superman, I don't
want you to go halfway because theprevious regime has been sort of wishy washy,
like, yeah, we want toreplace Batman as Superman, but we
want to keep the ones that makeus money because they're not as tainted in
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their eyes. And I'm like,no, no, either do a new
universe and build that up so Ican get invested in that one the way
I already am in this one.Then, yeah, you're gonna lose Jason
Momoa's Aquaman. But if he wantsto come back at Lobo, which I
think he would, then then I'msaying he would like to yea necessarily saying
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this is going to happen anytime soon, but that would be a resolution for
the parties involved, where I'm like, I get that that is disamicable and
if there's something like that out therefor Henry Cavill, wonderful. I'm not
sure what you would cast him as, though, because the man is built
to play Superman in every sense ofthe word. Absolutely. Gunn did say
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it is a movie. He iswriting it and have been for a while.
Like we knew that he was offeredSuperman ages ago. He doesn't know
who's directing yet. They asked ifit was an origin movie. He said,
no way, and they asked,could Ben Affleck direct? He says,
met with Ben yesterday precisely because hewants to direct, and we want
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him to direct. We just haveto find the right project, so not
Superman. Like I'm I'm if we'refinally gonna get an Affleck directed maybe even
Batman movie. Who the hell knows? That would be lovely. I'm yeah.
And that's the thing is, like, if they could keep the DCU
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or Snyder Verse or whatever you wantto call it, they could keep it
around in some capacity from time totime and throw it on HBO Max or
if no one Zaslav he'd probably wantto like license it out to other people.
But they could keep that around insome capacity and slowly build up Crisis.
Yeah, because if you're DC numberone, this is DC, So
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every ten years they're going to rebootanyway in the comics and everything else.
Yeah, but if you want todo DC proper, like you know,
I know Marvel has been doing itrecently, but DC was the one that
started the multiverse shit, So Crisisand all the other like multiverse stories like
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that's all like hyper time and allthat stuff. What was the Grant Morrison
multiversity? Like that is all DC'sDC's ass, And James Gunn knows that,
Yeah, because I feel like hedoes have enough affection for the comics
to be like, if he's gonnabuild to something, I feel like he's
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he's not gonna just leave those threadsaround and be like, no, we're
not going to honor the past.No, he has a bunch of movies
and they're already getting Keaton back forsomething, so they might as well,
you know, lean into a bitof the multiple Earth's thing. But at
the same time, like, yeah, you've got to focus on one of
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the Earth's and it's it's got tobe the one you care most about.
And it's like the fun of thingslike like not well, all all the
the other multiverse numbers we got inthe in the in the Multiversity encyclopedia and
stuff. Those things are fun becausethey're variants to an extent. So if
you're going to incorporate more of them, it shouldn't just be oh, basically
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roughly the same characterization on a differentEarth because it was a different actor at
a different time. I feel likeyou, I would want then to have
the new cast, which is inevitablygoing to happen, uh, to to
play different versions of Superman on differentearths basically, and of Man and of
Wonder Woman, or at the veryleast, like we've been hoping for for
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years, if it's a different versionthat's a different character, like use use
the Thomas Wayne from your one Earthto play the one in your Flashpoint Earth
at that type of stuff, Like, I would want that sort of continuity
where it's not where it is more. It is easier to do that with
Cavil as a way older Kingdom cometype Superman where I'm like, yeah,
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I'm good with that because you cansort of draw a line like, oh,
he's going to grow into that,um, But I wouldn't. I
wouldn't like it as much if it'sjust the oh, we're crossing over different
franchises from different DC eras, thatthat could just I feel it's also just
rehashing the hurt of this universe thatwas sort of scrambled, because I feel
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the only reason I like the rebootidea is the the getting to care about
something else again, because fixing theSnyder Verse without Snyder and the original plan
was just never gonna that that gotus into this jumbled mess of well kind
of will keep some things, willchange a bunch of them that wasn't going
to please anyone, And at leastthis way you can build a fan base
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for the new ship and you're goingto piss off people. Absolutely, I
am not like this was not whatI was hoping for it. Yeah,
I know you listen to the showlike we yeah, honestly hoping that he
would restore it, not absolutely ifhe. If he, if he were
just gonna just fucking finish it off, get it out there, and then
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you know, we all know itwas a there was a finality to it.
We all know it was five moviesroughly some some in between stuff,
but like it could have been donein a couple of years. If it
was just the main installments, we'dhave a reset button and you could do
your reboot. But we're not goingto get that. So I know every
morning, like I said, wedon't know if they came. They went
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to Zach and they said, weknew a mini series. You get one
shot, one season, can youwrap it? You know. I wonder
if he would I wonder if hewould do it me too. I don't
know, But somehow I don't doubthis his love for the cast and the
world he built. So I nevergot the the at least from his public
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statements, in so far as thereare those, I never got the impression
that he's opposed to getting into thatconversation with WB right. I mean,
he was the ones like their buddies, you know, they're fine, yeah,
which I've seen a lot of peoplebe like, oh, yeah,
see, this is what Snyder's bestfriend did. Ain't nobody said they were
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best friends, all right. Ain'tnobody said that they were like calling each
other on the weekends to talk aboutyou know, did you read the comics?
No? No, they have jobs, lives, but they I think
they are friends, and I think, like, you know, not that
not that the extremist cultists would everadmit to anything like this. But you
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know, I think Snyder would probablyjust say, like, no, you
gotta you gotta shoot your shot.You're a charge. Now you do it,
Like, don't you know you're notbeholding to anything I'm doing. Yeah,
Like I get it. You knowthis is a guy that like said,
dude, Matt Reeves Batman looks cool. I'm there for it is awesome.
Yeah, so now, of courseMatt Reeves is Batman. It seems
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a bit more a Snyder's alley justjust because of the tone. But um,
yeah, I'd imagine James Gunn hashis own plans for the Grander universe
and if that doesn't fit in,yeah, I business wise, I could
get. I get that. You'renot just gonna invest more in a universe,
you're gonna kill off. There's alreadya bootle of project where we're like,
(20:49):
yeah, this is this is gonnafizzle out. I guess maybe we
like it's it's weird, are certainabout anything, but we're just we're just
not like we don't know. We'vegot a Shazam two coming, We've got
the Flash, We've got Blue Beetleand Aquaman. Two yea, and the
Flash could have a lot to dowith just shift in the universe a bit.
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But we know if they end onthat because right now I think Aquaman
is the latest in the release schedule, right, yes, yeah, so
that that would be an interesting movieto have to end on or get in
or transition out of into whatever isnext for Superman and the rest quite frankly,
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and it might actually, you know, God help us. As crazy
as they went with Peacemaker season one, Gun really could wrap up the universe
with Peacemaker season two and just havelike some kind of crazy like he could
bring in bat Might or something crazyhious if you had John Cena like talking
to bat Might and like trying tolike, I don't know, like just
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dimension ship your way out of it, yeah, just trying to like get
him to be like, look,I know, I know, I don't.
You don't have to like just inthe universe. I mean, I
know you're you're a big Batman fan. Yeah, and we haven't seen Ben
forever, who's been um yeah man, uh so that would actually be pretty
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fantastic if they had bat Might beinglike the Twitter fan who was like pissed
off, was like Ben was supposedto have a cameo and Aquaman too,
and I didn't even see that,Like it wasn't even there, and Peacemakers
just like, dude, I don'tknow what you're talking about. That would
be very, very funny, andI would respect that. I would respect
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the hell of it out of it. It would still be a weird way
too, but it would acknowledge theweird of how this universe is gonna not
continue. Yeah, because that isalso doing both and I can't imagine having
this around for too long while you'reworking on a Superman in an earlier stage
of his career where it's like,yeah, that's got to mean a new
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universe, a DCU to get into, um, I like universe and stuff
where I'm like, yeah, you'regonna build that out, You're not gonna
sort of merge it. I thinkhe just came up with the tagline the
DCU you can get into call me. Yeah, like call me. Look,
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you know, you look at thecomics, you look at the anime
of the series, you look atall this bullshit, and bat Might,
as a fourth Wall character. BatMight knows that as a movie, he
knows that it's a comic you knowthat's how they ended freaking Batman. The
Brave and the bold is like batMight showed up. It's like, I'm
ready for more of a dark andgritty Batman. Now we gotta get this
canceled. Um amazing. Yeah,so you know I'm down with it.
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Do I want Justice League two andthree or some reasonable facts simily with Snyder
at the helm? Yes? Absolutely. You know, would I pay all
the rubles to go see a batFleck Death Stroke film? Yeah, I
would absolutely. But if that fitsin a different universe and it's a different
Batman, I can live with that. And there's there's places for all these
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actors to be pre instated in someother way, like oh yeah, imagine
will not say no to another rolein the DC universe the guys he'll live.
Yeah. Actually, you know what, we kind of touched on it
earlier, But that's a good point. I think Gunn is looking at a
future slate and saying, I wantto do this and this and this.
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But meanwhile Snyder. Snyder did hisvision, which is great and I love
it. But um, when you'relooking at like a big like ten twenty
year, let's just say ten yearfor what they're doing, but they're talking
about doing right now. Ben Affleckas old as shit. Yeah he's a
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meme at this point. Yeah,Like he's just I mean, he's built
and whatnot, but he's he's old. We're not gonna have like a sixty
year old Ben Affleck, Like Idon't think he's got that much interest in
him as far as like just him, Like, yeah, we have like
a seventy year old Michael Keaton tryingto play Batman again. But and we
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certainly could, Like I think ifSnyder did come back in some capacity at
some point, I think Ben wouldcome back for it probably, But yeah,
there was that. I love this, I love and I love the
transparency of Gun, like I've beensaying, like, this is absolutely what
we would not have exactly as theregime getting like in front of it,
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like he's getting ahead of this hisnews cycle without hiding essentially without not like
the last regime just kind of nevernever told us much of anything. So
we were continuously guessing, and thatvery logically led to our conclusion that there
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was no plan in place, whichreally there wasn't. There wasn't anything good
going on in terms of a plan. And at least now we were trying
to roadmap something. We had agood weight, they had a slate,
They had a good plan when Snyderwas still in charge and they had you
know, the Cyborg movie and theFlash movie wonderful. Yeah, and then
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like they lost a few directors anddidn't know what they wanted to do,
and like us, immediately they werebeing reactionary and cutting everything apart and have
the trailer company edit your suicide Squadmovie. Yea, it makes a lot
of sense. Yeah, So wehad a couple other things I wanted to
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bring up that is, uh,you know that Variety article. I was
saying that they were considering bringing inMatt Reeves the Batman into the DC Universe
mainline, main continuity, and Gunnrefuted that immediately said, you know,
there are a few reporters I lovemore than Adam b. Verry. He
is truly a good guy. Butin this case he needs to get a
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new source as this is entirely untrue. But you know importantly, what I
was what absolutely I love that hewas doing that. But my first thought
was this is a constant with WarnerBrothers. There are sourced there, like
he is a reporter like there issomebody in DC who was telling him this
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shit, which just makes me thinkit's like a conspiracy inside of Like there
are people inside of WB trying tolike bury Gun, you know what I
mean? Like, yeah, Iget that, Yeah, because it is
it is very much trying to likesee what they still do in the media,
like what what will the response befrom the audience, and and let's
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put pressure on each other. Couldn'tall the time that way, yeah,
because we're trained at this point toread every headline with a what's in the
article and be what ulterior motive couldthere have been to put this out or
leak this or who might have saidsomething, you know, and why we're
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already guessing every time when it's it'slike, yeah, this might have been
their PR team to you know,put some pressure on their deal and that
they want to get signed again sothey want to have some fan hype to
back them up. And it's like, why is everything this this sneaky?
Why can't they indeed be someone likeGun, Like that's that's not what we're
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gonna do. And I feel likeit's a it's a shame because they have
something there with the Batman, butI'm also like, they need to wrap
up that trilogy and then focus ontheir universe with whatever new Superman this is.
Yeah, I am open whatever MattReeves wants to do if he gets
to you know, the third theBatman and decides he wants Superman and Wonder
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Woman to show up like and whateverthey're verse, his version of those characters
will be sure. You know,I doubt he will, but I'm sure
I doubt it too. You know, he feels like he feels like I
was going to say he's Minnie noone. You could do CD Superman.
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Oh absolutely, and I would.I would be very intrigued to see it.
But I feel like Reeves is alsothe guy who was like a guy
flying Come on now, no,no, no, we have a guy
in a in a squirrel suit.That is silly enough, you know what.
I want to see Matt Reeves doSuperman. And just because somewhere in
my head, I'm like, oh, you thought you thought Snyder's Superman exactly?
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You you called this shit depressing?No no, no, no no,
I legituinely haven't rewatched The Batman infool yet. I just I have
it on HBO Max sort of halfwaywhere I was like, gosh, this
is this is a long movie,and I already kind of know where it's
going, So that one is muchmore dour than anything Spider has put out
in my personal opinion. But foyeah, Reeves would do like the Superman
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and it would just like it wouldbe like a loose interpretation of that comic
from many years ago where it waslike the guy who was mentally challenged and
living in a home and thought hewas a superhero and he called himself Superman
and it was like, really sad, I hate this. That's what Reeves
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would do. Oh, I can'tdisagree with you, but at oh that's
that's terrible. No, Like,I had an idea and I do want
to put that out there first.Um, if if we're gonna hold out
any hope whatsoever for this now verse, I feel like the best way to
do that might be too sort ofum pull a fast one on us.
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So you build up a new universeand like whatever crisis they're working towards,
you combine them. You you sortof you you go. You rework the
time travel thing from from Justice Leaguetwo or three where they go from the
Nightmare to the new universe you've builtto get their help defeating dark Side in
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the originals nine of verse. Nowthat would be something I want to read
or watch or whatever. But alsoI feel like I now just ruined the
emotional impact for myself in ten years. Also, bat like would be way
way geriatric for that, but youknow, I'd like to see it.
All of the stunts are not doneby him anyway, so right, No,
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so they just have like a coupleof shots of him looking angry in
the suit and yeah, or likesitting in the tank and being then it's
Richards promise stuff again and jumping downpunching people. Yeah, that's that's that's
what you do. I'd be I'dbe like if if if a portal opens
(32:14):
up in the in the like ifif a boom tube just shows up and
you're like, ah, I haven'tseen those in a while, that would
make me cry at that point.And that was just sort of the the
the the feeling, the idea Ihad to like share, but um,
I doubt it at this point.It's just yeah, they're gonna they're gonna
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want to do something their own andnot try to mishmash their way through a
bunch of old stuff that really didn'tsatisfy anyone because they fucked it up.
And some people are like, well, then shows the actual good idea.
And some people are like, yeah, that wasn't ever a good idea,
and those people are wrong. Butthere's there's so, so, so a
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few ways to solve this mess ina way that's still coherent. Whereas like,
yeah, of course I get itas a creative that you're like,
I just want to I just wantto do it now. I just want
to do something else. I don'twant to try and clue this bunch of
shards together into a phase again andhope it doesn't turn out to be an
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ashtray. Yeah, I mean they'rereally There's really not a lot to say
about it. I mean, like, yeah, Patty Jenkins came out and
said, I never walked away fromWonder Woman three. I was open to
considering anything asked to me. Itwas my understanding. There was nothing I
could do to move anything forward atthis time. DC is obviously bird in
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changes they are having to make,so I understand these decisions are difficult right
now. And then Gunn said Icould attest that all of Peter and my
interactions with you were only pleasant andprofessional, which is to say that I
personally believe me, David. Ibelieve she absolutely did have a little shit
storm walk off with Abdi and Uhand de Luca, and I am almost
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eighty percent certain she did send themthat email with the link to character arc
on Wikipedia, like, yeah,she was not happy. I'm pretty sure
she wasn't. Also, there wasa sentence like in the third paragraph or
something, I don't know if youhaven't have it in front of you,
where she'd hate to end on adown note or something. It was like,
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did you watch your most recent wonderWoman? Yeah? Because that felt
like a downlote to me. Look, okay, I love the Snyder verse.
I don't even acknowledge that Wonder Womannineteen eighty four happened. It does.
I did not purchase it doesn't exist, it is. I do not
own a copy of that movie,neither on digital nor on physical. That
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hurts me in some ways, butI just can't acknowledge it as an actual
film. It was awful, Yeah, awful. No, it's it's just
on my wish list, it's notin on my actual shelfe list. And
been like, let's give her thatfor Christmas. Yeah, I can.
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I can see Effie on my monitorand she's just turned and she's just looking
in another direction and I'm like,is it a ghost? What is happening?
Um no, No, that's theDC shelf with all of the movies
got and and like up to theSuicide Squad, it seems, and uh
yeah, yeah so and that's theother thing, is like the Suicide Squad,
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you would think you like, tome, like, some of this
doesn't make sense to me, becauseto me, I would be like,
he clearly liked the universe enough tolike want to be a part of it
and do because they told him hecould do anything, and he chose to
do something in universe yeah, andthen doubled down on that with with Peacemaker.
So it to me anything was likehow limitless that was made. Like
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if he'd said I want to rebootthe universe at that stage, I think
he might have gotten some pushback tobe like, okay, but what characters
and how could you incorporate them inthis one? Well? I don't know,
because I seem to recall that hesaid they did not tell him it
had to be inside of any givenuniverse. He could have just made his
own suicide squad movie and could havegone with it. Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah, he's James Gunn of coursehe could. Yeah, even at
that time, but he could havereally grand plan on it. He could
have tried, but it wouldn't haveimmediately gotten in. They would have meddled
with him a lot more than nowthat he's in the actual seat. Yeah
we'll cut out, they'll Yeah,No, I won't. I won't.
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Um, we're too tired to cutout the on. Oh well, I
hope you enjoyed it. I will. I'll reiterate though, as I guess,
it feels like we're kind of wrappingup, doesn't it. Yeah,
yeah, there's there's only so muchto say because it is. It is
a bit of wait and see.It's just nice to have the early announcement
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in the sense that we can alreadysay our goodbyes. I'm probably gonna watch
the quote unquote trilogy today just torelive some moments and and yeah, sort
of grieve a bit in advance,to hopefully be excited for a new slate
once it is announced. Yeah,like I you know, my office is
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a shrine to all things DC.But you know, when I walk in,
it is like my top three versionsof these characters. I've gotten action
figures across, you know, onthe wall here it's like Batman sixty six,
Zack Snyder's Justice League and that canon, and then Batman the animated series
and that canon. And like,walk in, I see that in that
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turn and there's like my Square EnixTenant, bat Fleck and Cavil, and
I was just like, this isdepressing, Like I've got to leave my
office now. Yeah, like Ibecause part of me does feel like they're
going to completely reboot. I mean, part of me feels like that doesn't
make sense for what you've already built, James. And then another part of
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me thinks like, yeah, butyou can also scrap the shit you've already
made and do something else. Butit also might make sense to do both.
And I think as long as myopinion somewhere, my opinion is that
that's what they'll wind up doing overall, Like there will be a crisis we
or a kingdom come or something,we can call it whatever you want,
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and uh, and we will windup seeing Cavil in some capacity. Maybe
he's just Clark, maybe he's youknow, maybe It's like the Tom Welling
Superman in or Clark on the Crisison another beloved Superman who quit being Superman.
Um. We just it could goa number of ways, and yet
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I feel like you want that onein five or ten years. You want
that to be a cheer moment andnot to feel like, oh, we
got scraps. You don't want tostill be reminded of, Yeah, you
left that universe in the dirt anddidn't didn't really wrap anything up. I
feel like you want to get aheadof that by by sort of giving it
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that that farewell that makes us slightlyless well, hurt wounded is really only
the only way I can describe it, because if if it, just if
the universe ended here with the cameoand Black Adam, I would be far
more than knowing where you're still gettingin the Flash or Aquaman. No.
I just had an idea, hedoes, James says, among those this
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Superman in the initial stages are inthe initial stages, our story will be
focusing on an earlier part of Superman'slife. Who else do they call in
Superman? Right now? In theDC comics, John Kent, Right as
we leave, Zack Snyder's Justice League, Lois is pregnant. So if they
have Cavill come back as Superman,but he's not Superman anymore. He's just
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John's dad who's like teaching him howto be a hero. Really, this
is all conjectured that that that,But at the same time, if you're
gonna then age up Clark, whatdo you do with everyone? He'll have
to age up Clark. Yeah,you know, like because he's Superman,
you could just be like, yeah, that's fair. But I mean,
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then if if you're going to timejump essentially to where John is late teens,
early twenties, Uh, Gal doesn'tage, Sure, does Aquaman age?
Uh? Flashes Central does sort of? Yeah, But if he's often
the multiverse somewhere, we don't evenknow where he's at, you know,
nobody knows what that's viewing anyway.I'm just saying there are ways, and
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if there's anyone who's smart enough incomic book lord to do it, it
is gun. I think if someway that's true. Yeah, if he
really wants to, he'll find away. But at the same time,
these characters are bigger than the actors. The lore is bigger than any person's
vision. So I am still interestedto see what's happening, And honestly,
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I hope we get some news onthe slate, and I hope there is
a reason for us to be excitedabout these upcoming DC movies exactly because because
I don't want to go a wholeyearn to go a whole year being annoyed,
Yeah, and just being like Idon't give a shit about this now.
That's that's the tires part, whereit's like, Yeah, if there
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wasn't something pre established, I wouldn'thave to be mad about this. I
would just be like, oh mygod, they're building a new universe,
wonderful. But this didn't happen tenyears ago. This happened now, and
we have ten years of movies tosort of do something with. Yeah,
So, like I I hope,I hope for the best, whatever that
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is. Yeah, thy will bedone. Lord and Savior James Gunn or
whoever. I'm sure his ego willappreciate that. Yeah, I mean a
reboot would make sense in certain senses. But then again, I feel like
this whole next year is going tobe like if they wiped the slate clean
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completely, it would make sense.So I don't know, but you know,
I'm they haven't done what I thoughtwould make sense in the first place.
But I did say, and youmight remember if they never do Zack
Snyder's Justice League doing three or messwith that again, we'll know whether we
get the numbers or not that itdidn't make money because of because of David
(42:44):
Zaz's laugh and how he's how muchof an asshole he is. Yeah,
but also I would I would trustthat right now. But given the previous
heads and they're track record, Ifeel like even if it was the most
glorious of successes, they still tryto bury that shit hard because they had
(43:08):
other plans that they didn't want toshare the spotlight. Yeah, I still
feel like there's numbers there that willjust never know because they don't want us
to know that we were successful.M No, naturally, Yeah, American.
Well, because at this point,I feel like going off the equation
(43:30):
of I think there's more money inbuilding a new universe from scratch with gun
at the Helm than rehashing this onefor only two movies that might be profitable
and then nothing and then doing thesame amount of work that we can just
do now, I feel like thatis more where Zaslav is like financially this
makes sense. Yeah, I thinkhe wants he wants everything, and you
(43:53):
know, as black Adam just showedhim he can't have it. Even if
they made fifty to seventy million,like Rock claims, that's still not a
lot. No, no, it'sit's barely plowing your way through. It's
not Marvel numbers. Of course,all the movies are struggling currently, but
you're not making a random a twentyfour movie. You're you're making a comic
(44:15):
book blockbuster, and you want thoseresults because it is a business. And
I feel like I'm like just theconcept of crossing everything over again with TV
and animation, that's exciting. That'sthat that will be fun. And of
course yeah Marvel has been for awhile, but I want something good.
I want that ship to be goodin DC as well. And and having
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more content is always a bonus becauseat that point I won't be as mad
if something's because there will be somethingnew next time. Yeah you say that,
but where are you out on yourcw rewatch or your CW watch.
I mean like you had plenty ofcontent there, but yeah, yeah,
a lot of it is just absolutedog shit. So yeah, there's a
(44:58):
difference between occasionally something is at andall of it is docshit, which not
all of it is, of course, but like the current stuff outside of
Superman and alones, which is outsideof the universe somehow with that diggle anyways,
I hey, but it's the bestthing CW has done and forever.
(45:21):
It's so good. I will catchup with that first probably that. Yeah,
like I said, we don't knowwhat they're doing exactly. We don't
know what gun is doing. Uh, Snyder Verse fans, I implore you,
as someone who wants to see allof the Snyder Verse things be realized,
(45:43):
please don't attack James Gunn. That'snot going to help our case in
any way. And um, becauseI've seen some some replies to the tweets
where it's definitely like, oh,let's rehash the offensive tweets and like,
yeah, those tweets were tasteless.There's there's some some slurs in there that
personally affect me, and I'm like, nope, nope, not a fan
(46:04):
of this. But he was ina different time, being young, making
bad jokes. I'm not gonna holdthat against the guy forever. Like,
yeah, it was a dick whoI was a dick ten years ago.
Um, so like, yeah,I don't know, Sorry, No,
you're good. Uh yeah. Peoplescrew up, people say stupid shit,
(46:27):
and then you know you gotta moveon. That doesn't necessarily mean they're they're
a bad person. Um and that'sfine. What was it gonna say the
Uh Yeah. In some ways Iwould rather that the Snyder verse b B
kept intact and have those three Snydermovies than them tinker with the same universe
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and actors until it just gets worseand worse and worse, because I feel
like, yeah, at some pointyou're going to hand over the reins to
like what you've built and blah blahblah. But he's no longer involved in
any way, so there's no handingover of rains. There's just people taking
his shit and running with it.And in some ways, I'm like,
(47:12):
yeah, I'd rather get infested ina new Superman. Hopefully the movie is
good than having to watch Cavill dosomething that doesn't feel like the same Superman
to me. Yeah, I agreewith that too, Like I didn't,
Yeah, I agree. I feellike there is something where it's like if
(47:35):
the way he keeps talking about initialplans. I feel like he's just like,
I want to get our slate startedand DC the DC universe started,
and then yeah, down the roadand then we can like look into other
things, you know, once weeksas we move on, right, because
(47:57):
he knows, they all know there'sabsolutely a market for the rest of the
Snyder Verse to be made. Andif James Gunn has already, like without
being in charge, has already talkedto Marvel and Kevin Feige about doing a
Marvel versus DC movie, you knowhe's already thinking about crisis. You know
he's thinking about that. Of courseI would be too. If I got
(48:19):
handed the job, I would belike, Okay, what kind of crisis
are we building to? What willbe the huge event? Yes, five
years, that's the first thing youthink of me personally. I'd probably build
to identity crisis first. That's probablywhat I would do, and I would
probably start not with it because thisis me. I'm crazy. The first
thing I would do an adaptation ofNew Frontier. Ah, right, it
(48:45):
would be History of the Universe Losolo films. History of the Universe.
Yeah, just like what went before? What jaz a, stuff like you
want to you want to get caughtup and then build to something from there.
It's which by the way. Also, you know, Darwin did the
best version of Batman versus Superman,so um, and I would love to
(49:12):
be able to help out Darwin's family. Yeah might as well. Yeah,
absolutely So. Like I said,we don't know what's happening, but I
think it's best if we all keepcalm heads and not get settled down with
our sadness because it might not be. Something wonderful could come from this.
(49:34):
Yeah, And it's it's and tome, it is more sadness than the
outrage I've been seeing. And Ifeel like that's that might be my personality,
but still it's it's something some peoplemight be wise to to to take
the page out of my book fromreally, just come on there. It's
no use being mad about it.It's it's just what's gonna happen. It's
(49:55):
what the business is gonna do.And hopefully it will be good and it
will be fun and it will notbe unfunny, and that is the best
we can hope for, and wehave something to look forward to in the
next year. And I still pleadI'm not saying don't say don't do the
hashtag restore the Snyder Verse. Justdo it respectfully. Yeah, just you
(50:16):
know, don't be a dick aboutit. Absolutely, I want to.
I want them to still release theaircut. That's some form of closure of
like this is what we were actuallydoing at that time. Yeah, absolutely,
so would be neat anyway. Ithink that's gonna put this one in
the books. What do you thinki'd agree your co host on this episode,
(50:37):
you get to you get to say, yeah, no, I think
I have got everything out of mysystem that I really needed to. I
think I just want to get backto either watching the movie or putting on
the soundtrack. And like, ifthey that's my only demand for a new
Superman movie, they have to giveme something at least half as good as
the Zimmer score, that's all Iask. If they don't do that,
(50:59):
I'm a slightly disappointed. I don'tknow what that would sound like. And
my guess is it's probably just gonnabe the John william score. Yeah,
they're gonna they're gonna chicken out anddo that, aren't they. Yeah,
yeah, they will, I thinkso. I'm so sorry to end it
on this note. Yeah, yeah, that's what we're gonna do. You
(51:20):
could have ended it on three notes, but no, no, no,
no no, had to end iton this one on a march. Anyway,
that's fine. Thank you for listening. I hope we helped you through
some of this difficult time. We'restill getting used to the James Gunn of
it all, so I don't knowhow many more emergency episodes I'm gonna keep
doing. We'll get used to iteventually and we'll just be like, I'll
(51:45):
wait until Sunday. Um, Effie, thank you so much for suggesting this
episode. I was already wondering ifI should do it, and then you
said, I'll hop on if youdo. An emergency episode felt like a
good excuse to call all in.Yeah, tell the folks where they can
find you online. Are you plugginganything these days? Yeah? Well,
(52:07):
there's still still the archives of stealingthe remote. It's not very active right
now or in the your future asfar as I know. But um,
as long as I haven't found analternative bird app to the one currently run
by some eleven billionaire, UM,I am on Twitter. It's in Effie
shiancy So in Ffie with an extraE Shancy and um. The same goes
(52:31):
for Letterbox. That one is hopefullymore stable, not run by a malevolent
billionaire as far as I'm aware,I'm sure, I'm sure there's no such
thing as a as a like asa benevolent billionaire, but you know,
less malevolent billionaire I assume, rightlike Batman, right right, Sure,
(52:53):
we'll go with that, and youcan find me at David Z. Robertson
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a future episode, you can hitus up on Twitter and Instagram at DC
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(53:14):
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