Decoding DC's Hall of Justice Comic Castaways

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen. Welcome into DC
on Screen. I am your host, David C. Robertson this
my co host Jason Goss.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Last episode, we talked about James Gunn unveiling the big
mural in the Hall of Justice. He started post posting
all that on social media. And we have a list
of of all of the meta humans throughout time. No,
not this is the see see, this is a mural.

(00:34):
This is a list of superheroes.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Very different.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, but yeah, so I thought it'd be fun. We
talked about it in the last episode, this mural that
was in the Hall of Justice and Superman shown. Ever
so briefly, we now have a list of all the
people who were on that on that mural, and we
do a show from time to time called Comic Casts

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on our Patreon. It's exclusive to Patreon listeners. The five
dollars tier to be exact. But I'm like, you know what,
fuck it, let's talk this is very important, possibly to
the DCU. Let's just do this for the main feed.
You know, as we reported last week or last episode,

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Gunn said, there was a ton of thought put into it,
a ton of thought, not necessarily specifically what we see
all of them. But yes, some of them we already
have in the works in different things, in different ways,
and we don't know which ones are going to be
in the works or that are in the works for
new projects, So why not talk about all of them?

(01:43):
And the way we do it on Common Castaways is
you look it up on the DC Encyclopedia, the physical
thing that you have. You have two different ones, right,
I have like two or three different ones, and They're
in my library in the basement, and I'm not going
down there at the internet, so I'm all right too,
right just in case, because fine, the way they trunk

(02:05):
kicked that ship in the in the encyclopaedia is a
bit they do.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, that was part of the fun was it only
gives us a little glimpse. And normally we just sort
of pick, you know, a bit of a random it
literally we we do at random, grab anybody out of
this and and I just grabbed the weirdest person on
the page until Dave about it. Normally, Yeah, some of this,
I imagine will be a little bit like that.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's gonna feel like that some half.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Of this list, I feel like we'll have some familiarity
with and then a good amount of it though won't
be quite the cringey nightmare that we normally make fun of.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
But that's the best part.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, but it's just
I feel like it's just gonna be harder on Mike's
mercury than it is our normal fodder. Yeah, like, just uh,
there's there's this. Let's see. We got Mademoiselle Marie right
under this, I just flipping. And there's Plasmas. I've never
seen him before, a giant goop of bubblegum that was
Pride under a bunch of chair like a classroom chair.

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We disracted.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
We do need to do more of those.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know who Plasmas is, but this
is fantant harra send you pictures.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But we've got I've got the list here, and I
think we have to start off with Sister Symmetry. And
again this is just you know, possibly get an idea
of who these characters are for you guys, and if
you don't know who they are, and get an idea
of what the fuck they're doing in the DCU, Like
what's what's James gun gonna? You know, uh, pull the

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dental floss out of his dick hole. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm not sure how that one came to be, but
somehow I got that it was was pulling weird thrids.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
So I do typically read these are these are the
actual bios. They had these little bioblurbs and then like
it's a bio and then a blurb. Usually just sort
of read, Dave what these are, And in this case,
sister symmetry would be the Madame Xanadu. Really, so I'm
just gonna read the Madame Xanadu portion out of this
is the two thousand and eight edition in case you cares.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh, they don't have sister symmetry in there.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You know, and let me see if it's proper sister symmetry.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, because this is sister symmetry. This isn't you know.
I mean, it is Madame Xana do for real.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
But that's true.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
That's whatever Ali I.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Plural for alias, which I assume is a thing. Nope,
she did not make it. Wow, I got sinestro serious
and we go straight straight to screets to skeets.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah, so yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, you know, in a backup version. You know, we
could do a quick, quick internet blurb of them. Sure,
we got powerful sorceress who wields the Cloak of Sirah
and is imbued with the powers of the Lord of Order,
powers by the Lord of Order. Okay, I mean it
makes sense for his sister symmetry. Yeah, she's what the
far far left one, the one that looks like she's

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playing with a yeah, pink slinky Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Like in order of the mural. This is how this
is going.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, some of these are kind of like hilariously cartoonish.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah like that.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
They're like they look like they were kind of made
of tilework in a way that always looks a little off,
you know, like she looks a bit like an owl.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, well they actually do, haven't in the real building,
they actually have a mural. I think they based it
on that.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah. Yeah, it's an odd look. The one, the one
right next Silent Night. I just kept telling I kept
telling you was Zoidberg. Just legit does look like it.
Let's see Salad Night. You be in here, Let's let's
see what you got.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Hold on now, hold on, now, let's talk about Let's
talk about sister symmetry for just a second, a little
bit more. But I think, I mean this is all like,
she's got a castle behind her. Morgan, you know, uh,
sister of Morgan le Fay or whatever started the Justice
League Dark founding member.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh with the symmeagery, Uh huh, sisters.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Of originally powerful sorceress from Arthurian Legends. One of the
sisters of Morgan le Fay, Like I said, member of
the Homo Magi, a race of magical humans. Her name
and story are linked to the Lady of the Lake
and various other Arthurian mythos elements and DC continuity. Nemu
was responsible for removing Merlin's powers and was later cursed

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with immortality as punishment for her role in Arthurian tragedies.
She debuted in Doorway to Nightmare number one nineteen seventy eight,
created by David Mitchellini and Val Meyrick. But anyway, yeah,
I just want to bring up, you know, founding member
of Justice League Dark and Arthurian Legend character here. That's

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what we're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
She's got a fucking castle behind her in the mural.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, that is a good point. So we're definitely going
to go in for that time frame, and then it
can't be a mistake. That's that person's next to a
Night character.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Right, Well, the Knight, you know, he's from the sixth
century England.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Which, by the way, you might as well go ahead
and read a little bit on him, because the these
characters are striking out on the official dictionary so far.
So what you got on him?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Really? Wow?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, dude, oh for two even getting into the actual
This is the proper DC Comics Encyclopedia, three hundred fifty pages.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
All right, yeah, Silent Night is Brian Kent, a medieval
superhero from the sixth sixth century. It is hard to
say that I hate it.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I hate it, and I really have learned to hate
the way some British and Irish people say it sick
sixth there's no extra s sound in it.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
So he lived. He also lived at the time of
King Arthur, shared some battles with the Knights of the
Round Table and the Wizard Merlin. Lady Celia Penbrook, the
reincarnation of Prince's Schiara, was one of the travelers whom
he had rescued, and they eventually fell in love and
it was later implied that Brian was a past avati
are of the Hawk god or a past incarnation of Hawkman. Right.

(08:05):
So I was wondering if you would you would start
catching on and that's who he was.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh, very much I had. I was wondering if you
had trouble not doing the thing when you said her name?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, that thing the Legends of Tomorrow Vandal Savage, how.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yes, the the growl with which he pronounced her name
for an entire season. Uh huh uh woren't close caption people?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Man? What was it? They did later on? And uh?
And in legends where like he died and went to
Hell or something and he was just like really got
in touch with himself and like became like a way
better person, like totally self actualized.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I do kind of remember that. I think I don't,
And I think he said. I don't remember if he
said her name. I think it would have been funny
if he did come back and actually say, like she
all wrote very clearly, But I don't. I only vaguely
remember him coming back. God, it's been a while.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Anyway, he achieved Silent Night, achieved great fame and became
a symbol of freedom to those citizens who were oppressed.
And yeah, that's that's that's pretty much him. That looks
like he was in an issue of a Scooby Doo.
He was. He did his team up with Scooby Doo
in the comics.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
And uh, he was officially Carter Hall on uh Superhero Girls.
It looks like so there's a There's Silent Night. What
you what you got on? Xoris Stokes, Exoris Stoves have?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh for three?

Speaker 1 (09:28):
What else I'm gonna have?

Speaker 2 (09:30):
These are not in the actual thing. I'm looking him
up as we go.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm gonna have to look him up and give me
just a second. Yeah, oh that is ooh an exiled
Amazon the Mascira. Yeah, I wandered around. She wandered around
the world for several years.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I mean, what's what do we here? Oh? Okay, that
makes sense. Yeah, that that doesn't make sense now that
all Katy.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Amazon of some renowned Before her exile, she was very
close to Farah, who took her friends exile poorly. Eventually,
far I struck out into the world, seeking to return
ex Aristos to the Aisle in order to prove ex
Aristos worth to Queen Hippalata, but instead found herself infected
with vampirism by Caine.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Okay, Jesus, So there's kind of a fallen angel in
the yeah, the misca language.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And then there's like a whole story with the demon knights.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Gotta have it all that.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Eventually, Exoristos would regain her honor in the eyes of
the Amazons participating in the American Revolution. Oh okay. In time,
her sword would return with Thimbuscuita's armory and in turn find
its way to the hands of the Amazonian Princess Diana.
All right, So wonder woman.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
The sword so much as half of a road sign.
All right, I know, I guess it's an ax of
some kind.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, may may may.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Have something that she can absolutely maul people with it.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Look, yeah, but you know, we know that he's doing
Paradise Lost and that's an act of development.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So yeah, pretty classic Amazonian outfit otherwise, right, Yeah, this
next fella, uh huh, surprisingly is in here?

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Black pirate?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Black pirate?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Is there?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Purple cape, white shirt, Yeah, yellow pants, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh guy.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So first appearance back in nineteen forty two Sensation Comics
number one deceased hero real named John Valor. Sure, that's
right on the nose, and it as you do. Yeah,
Basse England five eleven hundred and sixty four pounds, brown
eyed brown Ours, a swash buckling swordsman and accomplished sailor
m h all right. As word divided Europe in fifteen
eighty eight, British nobleman John Valor led a trusted crew

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of bold but benevolent buccaneers as a masked black pirate
who selled the high Sea for the cause of justice.
They didn't think I want to be reading that out loud,
They didn't. They put a lot of bees there. The
loyal to the British crown, Valor also served under the
Spanish flag for a brief time before returning to Great
Britain and swashbuckling alongside his son Justin just sent hilariously
mundane Yeah, however, my name is Tim. The Black Parrot

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came back and found his heir, Eric Black Pirate, revealed
his true identity to the British monarch and hung up
his cape and cow. Years later, when British ships were
threatened by mysterious privateers, Valor held heated the King's call
for the Black Pirate to return to the action and
scuttle the Ruddish Roquish Raiders. To his surprise, Valor discovered
Justin alive and well and leading a band of Puritans

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who attacked British ships to fund their plan journey to
the US. Valor made peace with Justin, who set self
for a new life in the US and retired to
his home in England, where he presumably lived his remaining days,
rarely drawing his sword from its scabbard. Just a swatch
buckling pirate who was a white hat with a purple cow.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah, there is something I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Not really seeing the angle of why he's on here,
But okay.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
There's some again on the internet here there's some mention
of John Valor's restless spirit ended up helping the rookie
superhero Jack Knight to fight a crime wave caused by
the mist. John helped Jack from the sidelines, slaying many
of the missoldiers. Eventually, he contacted Jack directly asking for
his help. At the time, also relating the circumstances of

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his own death, Knight promised to prove the Black Pirates innocence.
Before he could fulfill this, the murderous dwarf Simon Culp
seized control of the situation and used John's curves for
his own evil purposes. Culp's plans fell apart with the
legendary detective Hamilton Drew, working with Ralph and Sue Dibney,
proved that John was innocent. Not only was John's soul freed,

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every soul that had ever died in Ople was freed.
Ople City was freed as well. Yes, that's an interesting
little side note that like him. Yeah, apparently his spirit
was trapped, okay at some point and the elongated man
and his wife had to do something about it.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, this mural seems more concerned with his corporeal efforts.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Mmm, that's what you think.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It's just a picture of the dude and dude for
him here rather than spirit form.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
But who knows, right, Yeah, Also, he's next.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
To some barrels, which I don't know. Is that just
to indicate piracy barrels? May Now there is the shit
behind him obviously. Yeah. Why does that one guy seem
to have a bank behind him?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
The silent knights that really just looks like the like
that's what typical American symbol for, Like, that's a banking institution.
It's for sure. There's an ATM down that road.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
All right, Going to the next person. Here, we've got
literally the tail end on the picture I was looking at.
All right, So he is up here on Yeah, he's
just on that little box.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
All right?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Who got next, Miss.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Liberty, Miss Liberty, right, bessel In, she is in here.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
In Tomahawk eighty one March nineteen seventy one, he wrote
to see, of course, best lin Freedom fighter base mobile Alabama,
Hiati and thirty seven blue and blonde.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's skilled combatants on the online. This is Massachusetts in
the eighteenth century for base of operations.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh, I'm very sorry. That does just mean mobile. Her
base moved. I forgot that's a word here they just
use over and over again. That just means baseless everywhere.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay, back on track, all right, Bi, no mad, Liberty
is needed everywhere, sir. Skilled combatant and rider used powder
horns to create explosions, sewing panic among enemy enemy troops.
Sounds fun, all right. Revolutionary war that established the US
as independence from Great Britain had its own costumed heroes.

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Frinchier Nurse best Linn was eager to fight against British forces,
but afraid to do it openly for fear her brother,
a captain in England, would be harmed. In retaliation. Calling
herself Miss Liberty, she donned a mask, wig and a red,
white and blue costume inspired by the stars and bars
flag of her new nation. Obviously, she battled redcoats alongside
fellow hero Tomahawk, riding a white charger and wielding a
sword and whip. Tragically, Miss Liberty died before the end

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of the war in a battle with Hessian troops who
had stolen the Liberty Bell. During the fighting, the colossal
bell fell on Miss Liberty and crushed her. More than
one hundred and fifty years later, Miss liberties to send it,
Libby Lawrence fought against the access powers of as Liberty Bell. Hm,
that is tragic end.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Sure, I don't know what she's going to do in
here exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
She might not do anything, you know, yeah, very possible.
Might really just be a thing of like, hey, there
was this person and that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I know. It just the part of me that wants
to look for meeting here is just that like, yeah,
I know you're gonna do something with some of these people,
like Max Mercury seems juicy. Xanadu was always gonna seem
juicy if you know that one cemetery or something like
anything like that. Just a lot of stuff in there,
but like you filled up this wall with people, and
it could have been anyone. I'm holding an entire book.

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They're like three and fifty pages with sometimes up the
four or five characters per peaked. This one character is
just defined us missed one and two mm hmmm, sneaking
in a sixth person. So I just there were so
many options. Makes me think there's gonna be something there,
But I have no idea what we're talking about with
it yet. And unless he just wants to show a
very funny scene of someone dying by being crushed by

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Liberty Bell and at the end of a war, yeah,
it feels pretty gunny. It does Max Mercury.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Here's the thing, though, cole Mine was Whip WorldWind, but
Whip WorldWind is Max Mercury, except Max Mercury is like
at the beginning of the mural, you see Whip WorldWind
crouched like he's about a run, and then later on
in the mural you see Max Mercury in the future
because they had they do. They're doing this according to

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like eras, like they've got this mural sectioned off. So
you have whip WorldWind crouching, and then you have Max
Mercury running through the ages appearing. Yeah, so it's the
same character. It's the same character. And I'm like, I'm
wondering if Gun is going to fuck around and do
because he very specifically when someone mentioned it, because someone did.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
A character in here named the Whip I just don't
feel like that's gonna be the same guy all.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Someone brought up the fact that, uh, fuck, Jay Garrick
was in here the Flash and he went and Gun
was very like, nope, nope. So I'm wondering if Max
Mercury is going to replace the Flash in the DCU
for a minute, maybe not forever, but.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I okay, that's feasible. And also that is weird, so
I could see it. Just him being there twice is
just maybe a visual representation of like, oh he's so
fast that he's but yeah, he changes era, costume, time,
all the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah he does. Though in the comics, he starts off
as whip Worldwood and then took on Max Mercury as
an alias later on. Yeah, yeah, he literally went through time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Now, Gun did say he's not a fan of like
time travel proper.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
He doesn't have to be that just to me, that
just means that.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Last time travel is different though, I feel like.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, also like he's doing a booster gold motherfucker's gonna
do time travel. He can't stop it.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, He's gonna have to like find his piece with
how he wants to do that one way or other,
just to do some characters, and some characters is already
signed up for it, so sure. But even then, even
if he has a like a thing in his head
about it, like speed time travel, I do feel like
is different. It's a different mechanism. To me, that's that's
different than like super science time travel.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Also, like Mark Wade is the one who pre booted
fucking uh uh Max Mercury, so like you know Mark Way,
like Gun has already talked about how important Mark Wade is.
He literally named a straight after him in Superman, Like
Mark Wade has already got his dick barb in Gun's ass,

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which I mean, to let's be fair, he has his
dick barb in all of our asses. I would say,
sitting behind me.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's uh reach behind me, and that is right there,
copy number number two of New History of the DC Universe,
where he's currently redesigning the entire thing.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Let's not pretend that's a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hey, the thing I'm doing as soon
as we're doing all.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Right, Mark, I would say that you become our new
Jeff Johns as you always should have been. We should
have just ignored Jeff in the first place.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know, you think you want the younger model sometimes
and just no, it turns out no.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
So yeah, I'm gonna look up super Chief d C
Comics superhero similar to Quality Comics Quicksilver. That's Max Mercury
slash uh whip Whirlwind as a character. I feel like
it needs to be made fun of on Family Guy.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, by Stewie of course.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Hey look there's a spoiler. Kind of got a finished
fucking Erroverse dude. Max Mercury appears in the television series
of The Flash Son of a Bitch, Dude. I waited
so long for Max Mercury then I like, I just
dipped out. I was like, I can't do it anymore. Hell,
give me a proper handy. Harry van Der Spiegel sign

(21:24):
up a bitch.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, which it's half worth finishing.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
But sus we didn't talk about who he actually is.
Let's do this real quick. He first appeared in Quality
National Quality's National Comics number five in nineteen forty Guy's Quicksilver,
and he was the first imitator of The Flash's Super
Speed stick. According to historian Don mark Stein, almost nothing
was revealed about the character except that he possesses super

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speed and had previously worked as a circus acrobat. Fast.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's all we got on this guy right now.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Sort of a Dick Grayson type, yeah, but with speed.
Lots of speed, kid.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
We'll learn more later.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
After about a third of his features run, his superhero
speed was downplayed or phased out altogether. He appeared in
National Comics until issue seventy three and nineteen forty nine,
and made an appearance and Uncle Sam Quarterly in forty one,
and Mark Wade reinvented the character in The Flash without
contradicting previously established continuity. When the character reappeared in the

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early nineties issues of The Flash, his name was changed
from Quicksilver to Mercury to avoid confusion with Marvel Comics. Quicksilver.
Just in case you guys were confused. He was originally
a scout in the US Cavalry in the eighteen thirties.
A friend of the local Indian tribes, he was shocked
and dismayed to find the massacred on the orders of
his commanding officer. Enchanted by a dying Indian shaman, he

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gained superhuman speed. In the years that followed. He became
known to the Indians as word I can't say, he
who runs beyond the wind, and to everyone else's wind Runner.
He repeatedly traveled through time seeking to enter the speed force.
He usually bounces off and finds himself decades in the future.
His first attempt left him in the eighteen nineties, where

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he created a new identity for himself as whip Whirlwind. Later,
he traveled ahead again and was active in the thirties
and forties as Quicksilver, when he acted as a mentor
to the Golden Age Flash Jake Eric and Johnny Quick.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
This was your favorite era. This is the reason you
wanted to see him over and over.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Again for re call I did. I just like the
idea of him.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
The mentor like Zen type. Yeah, Mercury Pa.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Well, I always wanted to do like a thing where
it was like and they did Savatar on the Flash.
But what I wanted was like Time God basically like
he keeps going forward in the future, and like as
he every time he bounces into the future, like he's
just leaving behind this legend in his wake. That was
my idea to like basically combined Quicksilver and Savatar instead

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of having Savatar be Barry right. Yeah, but whatever he
did with Yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Did not battle best Revial.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, he did battle Savatar at some point. He did.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
At around the time that Grant Gustin was battling with
himself about whether to renew his contract.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Mm hmm. And nineteen forty eight he had an affair
with the wife of a doctor who saved his life.
That's how you do it. When the doctor learned of
this and his wife returned to her husband's side, Max
fled to the future once more. He then reappeared in
the early nineteen sixties, rebattled Savatar and was still bounced
still further forward in time. He spent some time some
years in hiding, but was persuaded by Garret to return

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to action against Professor Zoom, who was posing as very Allen.
Max Mercury has been the mentor of first Wally West
and later Bart Allen alias Impulse. He taught West about
the speed force and helped him to access his full
speed by encouraging him to break a mental block he
had placed on his powers, stopping Wally for being as
fast Barry because he would then have really replaced his

(25:03):
uncle as the Flash. He also attempted to teach Impulse
a measure of patients, with very varying results. Max Mercury's
just been like he's the fucking a Nebriotti dude. Every
speedster in history, Max Mercury has been there, you know,
sway gently swaying in the in the distance. Yeah, yeah, anyway,

(25:25):
we can move on. There's so much that you could
talk about with Max Mercury.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Mercury got a like a good chunk of the page
here just for you know, spatial representation purposes, but it
still wasn't a full page. All right, we would go
to the next one.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Be super Chief, Sure, super Chief.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Who is present and accounted for in this book. So
let me find his picture? Cool, I want to get
a look at this film. All right? We got all right, yeah,
he's got the next all Right, kil So all Star
Western nineteen sixty one. Real name is Flying Star all Right,
deceased hero superpowered Warrior North American five ten one seventy

(26:05):
grand black meteorite fragment gives him super strength, super speed, flight,
and extended lifespent.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Ooh, all right, then that'll be interesting if they do
anything with it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, that's one way to get around your time problem
if you're gone.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
But it's like the name of several fictional characters, three
superheroes and one super villain in the DC universe. It
is I'm gonna roll out the super villain immediately. Yeah. Though,
the way that TV and movies work on these things,
a lot of times they will take like one of
the heroes, probably the most popular one, and then make
it to where like a predecessor. Oh sorry, like a

(26:41):
what am I looking for? What comes after a predecessor?
The first person descendants descendant? Okay, one of the people
who takes up the mantle has to prove themselves and
turns out the original became the supervillain, you know what?
Like that? That's that's just kind of how I'm feeling,
like some when they do that kind of stuff. You know,

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I feel like that's done a lot. Yeah, Well, go ahead,
let's talk about who the character is.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Sorry this crack smip. As as I looked back at
the page, I realized, just flight standing out there. It
is meteorite fragments as a way to get a power
is interesting. He does have the necklace on. M h.
I don't understand the mask, all right, but I don't
know anything about this cup. So as the greatest warrior
of the Wolf clan in the late fourteen hundreds, that

(27:27):
will never stop being a cool name to me. Flying
Stag knew he would win the contest to become Roya
now supreme Chief of the Iroqui nation. His rivals, however,
have trapped him in a pit and win. Flying Stag
prayed to the Great Spirit. Mentau or radioactive meteorite fell
from the sky. Wearing a shark of the mediat around
his neck, Flying Stag could access miraculous powers for one

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hour each day, okay, to honor the Great Spirit. He
became Saganomena or super Chief. Super Chief led a heroic
life and took a lover white fawn. But the energies
of the meteorite caused him to out of everyone he knew.
He survived in the late eighteen hundreds and the modern era,
John standing Bear became the new super Chief following the
events of the Infinite Crisis. After joining a temporary lineup

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of the Justice Leaguer America, A super Chief died while
fighting Booster Gold's robot companion Skeets. Well, that is a
way to end.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, how did you die?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Skeet?

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Oh God, that's skeets Keat, Skeet, Skeet, Skeet.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Unexpected And that's a hero and hero battle. So that
means like, was that was he just some bystander that gets,
you know, killed, like bystanders sometimes.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Do I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't know, man, that's that's an unfortunate thing to happen.
You're to end your character on that. Since you've been
around since nineteen sixty one, I guess.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, this one's kind of funny. It's just a funny title.
The fourth Unnamed super Chief is an ally of Superman
and the member of and a member of the Superman
Superman of America, whose abilities are derived from the crypt
from a Kryptonian stone Jesus Christ, but the little his title.
According to Wikipedia, Saginawa of Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
That has a dustin energy to it.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes, yeah, dustin energy.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah. This one's This one's too long and it includes
a diabolo one end two.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
So lord l diablo let me.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'll pass it off somewhere in there. But we'll do this,
all right. So we've got a couple versions, and this
is going to be the horseback version, right all right,
So I.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mean it's the original, so we could just go with
you know, this is an old.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Old school Oh yeah, he's got a gun slinging of okay,
so first appearance of that fella. Yeah. The Lazarus Lane
version is going to be in nineteen seventy adventure from
Prettadale Seul, California. Six foot blah blah blah and an
expert marksman and horseback rider. His body can perform amazing

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feats of athleticism. So just super keen dude, all right.
Leazar's Lane was nearly killed after he tried to stop
bank crowder by robbers in eighteen sixty six, left komatoast
by bolts of lightning. He hovered near death until an
Apache shaman named wise Aul hilt him. Hold on, did
we what he was nearly killed after he tried to
stop bank robbers in eighteen sixty six, left coma toast

(30:23):
by bolts of lightning. It makes it sound like the
robbers almost killed him, but now it sounds like he
was trying to and just God went no. Yeah, I
don't know how he got injured. I would kind of
like to read that issue. Now it's going to be
all right. Lena woke from his coma believing his spirit
had split in two. One Lane's husk. These guy, he's
got issues leaving in the hospital, one Lane's husk, the

(30:44):
other a supernatural being. His spirit began roaming the frontier
as L Diablo, meeting out justice with fists, whip or
a six gun. That's a weird way to phrase that.
Six years later, an odd assortment of gunslingers were hired
by Auto van Hammer and Jason Blood to free the
time lost Earth elemental swamp thing contained why is out?
When owt Wiseaul was killed at the Long Catatonic Lana
woke up and I woke and L Diablo ceased to exist,

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And then over a century later we have another guy.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, yeah, well we all have to go.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
This is the story of a man who needed remain
in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, he did remain in the hospital, like.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Much longer than he did. It sounded.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Oh no, Look the on the internet. Here on Wikipedia,
it says his actually his body is in a coma
and there's a spirit version of him that rides around
his led Diablo beating the fuck out of people. And
then when when the group killed wise Owl Lane's comatose

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body woke up and led Diablo vanished forever.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Nothing like getting your ass beat by an astral projection. Yeah,
I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I have heard that, do it Diablo.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I've run across that story somedaywhere where Yeah, he's he's
a body. Otherwise, don't know really what it looks like.
He just started like his spirit guy's great, but otherwise
he just sort of got his ass kick one time, and.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I mean he was nearly killed and then lightning hit
the fucker. What do you want him to do? Man,
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I still want to know if that was one and
the same event.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You got some fucking expectations of your comic book hero
is Christ.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I don't have weird standards.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
I apologize. Even Eastwood didn't survive the beating that he
took in a high planes drifter.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
You know, of course, anyone with a completely coherent view
of their comics is possibly a madman. Anyways, I think
I just trust that man less than someone with muddled opinion.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
All right, well, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
There's a lot to it.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
You will have to help me out with Hugo Donner
dinner if you have anything. I'm not surprised to see
that this book has nothing about what looks to be
a pugilist from the late eighteen hundreds in America.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, it's just a yeah, it's just a guy, shortless guy.
Look at this. So here's probably why.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Just looks like a gang's in New York era level boxer.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, his his publisher. This is okay, So I'm gonna
say this. I think he's gonna be one of the
ones that gun we see. Yeah, and here's why. It's
a weird fucking pick, my friend, it is a weird
fucking pick. This is a guy. His first appearance was
in a novel called Gladiator in nineteen thirty all right,
and his publisher was Alfred A. Knop And then they

(33:43):
when he went to Marvel Comics. Then Wildstorm Comics, and
now he's in a property of DC. Weird ass character.
He's a born in the late nineteenth century with superhuman
abilities via prenatal chemical experimentation. Danner tries to use his
power for good, making him a precursor of the superhero. However,

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Danner grows disillusioned with his inability to find a permanent
outlet for his great strength and dies frustrated.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Just dies of frustration. I guess so it's like a
nineteen fifties television stereotype.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Mm hmm, it says. Apart from Wilde's novel, the character
also appeared in a feature film in publications by Marvel
and DC Comics. Comedic actor Joe E. Brown played him
in the nineteen thirty eight movie adaptation of the book.
Decades later, the character starred in an adaptation titled Man
God in Marvel's black and White comics magazine Marvel Preview
number nine of nineteen seventy six. He next appeared in

(34:39):
DC's standard color comic book Young All Stars in nineteen
eighty eight and eighty nine as the estranged father of
an illegitimate son named Iron Monroe. In two thousand and five,
he returned to the comic book miniseries Legend, published by
the DC imprint Wild Storm. Here Danner in the late
nineteen sixties Fight says a US Army super soldier in
the Vietnam War rad than as a super legionnaire in

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World War two World War One.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Like so just the name people use when they need
a dude with a couple of powers.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's fucking real, weird man.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
That's a previous our history. It looks like a sketch pad.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
But like I would not even include him in the pantheon,
Like I would not like if it had that been
me there, I would have no real reason to put
him anywhere in the DCU. That's why I think Gun
has a particular weird thing about this guy, and he's
gonna have him somewhere. So you think it's suspicious, I

(35:36):
say it's highly suspicious.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Where are his powers again, Let's.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Go back up here. Even during his early years, Danner
displays superhuman strength. He demolishes his wooden crib as a newborn,
saves a man's life by lifting a two tons supply
wagon at six years old, and uproots entire trees at ten.
He progressively grows stronger as he gets older. During his twenties,
he can stop and kill a charging bull, single punch,
bend a railroad rail, lift a seventy five millimeter howitzer cannon,

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single handedly lift a car and its drivers, single handedly
rip open a five foot thick bank vault, and easily sketch,
sorry easily catch a falling eight thousand pound block of stone.
His physical strength extends to his legs, allowing him to
leap great heights and distances. At age ten, he can
leap forty feet into the air and run faster than

(36:25):
a train. During his freshman year in college, he easily
breaks a world track record, though he actually doesn't run
his full speed. While in the service of the French
Foreign Legion in World War One, he traverses thirty seven
miles round trip at just thirty minutes, a speed of
about one hundred and forty eight miles per hour, all
while carrying two thousand pounds of food, water, and ammunition

(36:47):
for his unit. Despite his great strength, he is still
susceptible too fatigue. I love it. He can do all
this shit. He's just like, I'm a bit tired today.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
He first learns of his body superior resistance to physical
injury during the war. Bullets and bayonets glance off of
his skin.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That does it. So this is just he's super original Superman,
the original Superman. That's there.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
He believes he can even survive a plane crash. The
only weaponry capable of penetrating his skin at the time
are the largest artillery shells, although he still feels the
effects of the elements sweating under the heat of the
sun and freezing during winter. Danner's only vulnerability is lightning,
which ultimately kills him.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
So he's just in vulnerable except for stuff that would
make him a bit of a winy coott.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Well, you know what's interesting is it says this, you know,
lightning kills him, but then earlier in the article it
said he died of frustration.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Frustrated by the lightnings and ability to harm him. It's
just so embarrassed for it that he just died on
its back.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah. Danner's bodily issue tissues have a somewhat greater density
than those of a normal human being. Though he has
an athletic build, his strength is far greater than what
his frame would, natch, really allow. People guess him to
be one hundred and fifty five pounds, but he actually
weighs two hundred and eleven oh During his as a sailor,
he goes pearl diving with the natives of crystal Ball

(38:10):
and is able to dive deeper and stay under longer.
Because of his density, his body can heal damaged tissue
much faster and more extensively than an ordinary human can.
He collapses from exhaustion and wounds sustained from artillery shells
after he goes berserk against the Germans to avenge a
friend's death. When he wakes up in an army hospital,
he finds his wounds of healed without the necessity of

(38:33):
a single stitch. Now, long periods of comatose sleep up
to twenty hours and the consuming of huge meals also
ate in his regenerat regenerative process.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
There's so many proto characters in this guy's description, though.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, I mean, and it wasn't Welle.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I mean this dude, this was flash tropes, a couple
of Wolverine tropes in there for no good reason.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I mean no reason.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
He was a Marvel too, he's been across Well, there's
another option. He's the Malcolm character.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Well, I mean he came out in nineteen thirty in Gladiator,
in this novel Gladiator, and yeah, man, I I wonder
if Gun's gonna do something like I don't know, Protocrypton
or something like maybe someone like from Krypton flees and

(39:21):
you know, has a child here on Earth and they
keep it a secret or something, you know, like because
that's a that's a pretty damn close Superman character.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
It's it's it's a character though that's in an era
that's passed. So let's see he would have been in
what the I want to say this is like the
seventeen to eighteen, seventeen fifty, eighteen fiftiesh area. Based on
some of the characters here, it could Yeah, there's a
plane just about the next one, so I guess nineteen

(39:53):
oh one minimally, But like there's anyway that era is
going to be like it was just before nineteen hundreds,
and I guess I gotta go back at least for
seventeen something for this lady on the left. But like
there you just need a character back there that had
some weird powers and like a primal form of meta
that you that was stronger, but you didn't right know

(40:13):
what to do with yet, like maybe maybe it's just
that the myth of something that powerful existed before or
five years from now. For some reason, Hugo Danner is
a household name. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Do you you notice that.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Played by Chris Pratt or some shit?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Okay, so did you notice that there that the media
is falling onto super Chief or above super Chief's head
in the mirror not if that makes sense, and above
Hugo Dan's lightning? Yeah yeah, mm hmmm. Uh, we don't
miss any of these.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Okay, that's the only two that like that, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
A fine point on both. Let's take a little break,
if we will, and.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Then okay, we'll get into some more. Yep, it's a
big day, it is. We'll be right back. All right,
we're back, and let's continue on with our list. The
Ghost of Flanders. You don't have this in your book?
No do you? No?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Looked it up in the break knows such luck? So
you need me I do indeed.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
For I am the only one who has access to
the internet.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Hm, my innet's full of book. Just have the one
sitting on top of the internet right now.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Join our Patreon Patreon dot Com slash DC on screen,
so that Jason too can afford to have the Internet.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Mm hm, and now we have to split it. And
I didn't get a big enough chunk this week.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
All right. So Ghost of Flanders rip Graves supposedly died
in the Battle of marn in the First World War.
Rip Graves operated in the Second World War as a
masked superhero from a crypt beneath the tomb of the
unknown soldier. He secretly, in single hand excavated and built
this subcrypt base. The Ghost of Flanders used a red

(42:04):
poppy as his trademark, commemorating the second Battle of Yepprahs
on Flanders Fields. Hand to hand combat, tactical analysis, aviation,
investigation and throwing are his abilities.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Aviation, so we got the plane up here, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
And throwing just a thrower, yeah, hell of a thrower, man,
hell of a thrower, I get it.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Identify as the thrower as well, I understand.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, now you know that was the Quality Comics version
of the character. I don't know how different he is.
Over on the DC page it says he's a mass
superhero who operates during World War II. Rib Graves was
an American soldier who had been reported dead at Flanders
and exceptionally bloody sighted World War I. In reality, Graves

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had actually survived, and when he eventually returned to the
United States found that he had been honored as an
unknown soldier at the tomb in Washington, d C. Instead
of blaming his civilian life, he made the odd decision.
Hen the wikiped he was like, this is funked up
to take up residents beneath the Unknown Soldier crypt and
battle in secret for his country while wearing a Brodie

(43:12):
style helmet and patriotic chest plate.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Look, it's only right, It's only an odd decision because
he was born in the wrong time. This man just
didn't have goth at his disposal, right. I wish he had.
I wish he lived in an Ozzy Osbourne world.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
You know well that we all.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, he would have fit in so well. Look at
all of his scheme is branding Rip Graves Jesus Christ
just stood in a graveyard and what can I use rip?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's my name of the play.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
What's the squirrel name? Sa Pulcrium.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
The enemies of the US will rest in peace as
the Unknown Soldier rests in power.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Yeah, he wants to be incredibly punk rock, but just
nothing at his disposal to do it with in any
real way.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Unfortunately, wage rest in power. I must wrestle in power.
Sorry that starts with a W. Fuck off.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, college boy, so I'll spell it rip rip Graves.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh oh god, all right, Sandman.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
What a dumb ass?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, yes, I agree, Jesus Christ, all of us horrible, horrible, terrible.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I am very proud of this because I flipped right
to Sandman. One fly dots, Yeah, Lesley Dance, Yeah, Adventure
Comics number forty, nineteen thirty nine. Yeah, I didn't know
he's been around a while.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
He is one of those guys deceased hero as. They
all are socialite. I don't know why that's his occupation.
Socialite and Graham and crime fighter. Hold on, hold on,
you know not all of them are deceased, with them
just the Wesley Dodds version. Some of them live long
enough to see themselves become the villain. Oh yeah, those guys. Yeah, yeah,
like like what's his name or the lady under the

(45:10):
bill or whatever? Right, all right, so five eleven two
ten Stock, you like like like our knew guy whose
name I've already forgotten.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Social ute and crime fighter based in New York City.
I suppose that's why we've got a city skape behind him,
special powers, arsenal gas weapons, including gas gun, later wielded
wirepoon gun for climbing or snaring foes. Dear god, that's
a that's a word.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I love it so much. I do like his little
uh the thready gas thing they did with the title
work here. That was wonderful, all right. So his thing
prophetic nightmare streams induced Wesley Dodds to take up the cloak,
gas mask and tranquilizing gas gun of the Sandman to
thwart the evils of the waking world. The Sandman's first
quarry was the Phantom of the Fair, a villain take

(45:59):
stalking the nineteenth on New York World's Fair. Everything fucking
happened in a World's Fair at some point, it did
in American history, dude, it did. Through his role as
the Sandman, Dodds met and fell in love with Dian Belmont,
who would eventually share his secret and his life. The
Sandman joined the Justice Society of America as a founding
member and served the wartime All Star Squadron alongside his

(46:19):
youthful partner Sandy Hawkins, Belmont's nephew. See sand Apparently that's
a guy trading cloak and Fedora for a more colorful costume,
befitting the mystery end of the time. Dodds kept up
the good fight for decades thereafter, until he committed suicide
to prevent the Sorcerer more drew the Dark Lord from
mining his mind to learn the location of the reincardated
doctor Fate. Yeah again, one hell of an end, I

(46:42):
guess pictured one Sharp's detective's mind and dreams that can
foretell the future will to a gas gun that puts
victims to sleep.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Hmmm yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
It does not give us hear how he came upon
all of this technology. I know nothing of his history
when it comes down to the nuts and bolts like that.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Mm hmm, don't was looking on Wikipedia and it just
said the same thing you just said. But then it's
also said in the early days he drove a black
nineteen thirty eight Plymouth coup, which is also a plot.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
But they did, oh, of course.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
With various types to aid Dodds and his crusade against
crib Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, you had to have a souped up car back then.
And there's the green hornet days too.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Mm hmmm, who do we have next? I'll check for
amazing Man.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Sure, check for amazing Man.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Let's go to the front instead of a bitch. I
did flip the All Star Squadron. That's thing you do.
I was one page off Amazing Man. God, all right?
Oh wait, number one or two? All right? This? Let
me look at this picture.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He well, let's see there's amazing that.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
William Evraid or his grandson is what I'm looking at.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, this, I guess could be either. No, I mean this,
this is probably what number one? Right? All right? So
this guy for Suy was based in nineteen thirty six
as his part of his story, so Amazing Man number
one start shown up in eighty three, and All Star
Squadron Cronics William Everett based in New York City as well.
I guess that's why he's by the same mural occupation adventurer.

(48:15):
Dear God, just look at this man's resume. He calls
himself amazing man. He's an adventurer. Love it. Six ft
one five pounds, capable of transforming himself into a living,
breathing facsimile of any material that he touched. Later, his
powers were altered and he was instead able to magnetically
attract or repel objects with his hands. That is a

(48:36):
hell of an alteration, as for alter now, Will Everett
was a multi medal winner in the nineteen thirty six
Berlin Olympics. Despite the acclaim, the young African American, a
constant target of racism, was unable to get work and
became a janitor for doctor Terry Curtis. Everett was kidnapped
by the Ultra human Eye and subjected to a power
power barrage. From an invention of Curtis's, Everett gained superpowers

(48:59):
and became an Amazing Man. Initially black melt into working
for the Ultra Humanite. Amazing Man eventually turned on the
villain and defeated him. Amazing Man then joined the l
Star Squadron fighting Axis Tyranny during World War II. Ever,
its matter mimicking powers were later replaced with magnetic ones. Ever,
it died of cancer decades later. Again, I kind of

(49:20):
want my details. You don't see a power shift like
that anywhere else. Yeah, it'd be entirely unique.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Now. The original character from the nineteen thirties, who appears
to be a white dude, influenced the creation and origin
of Charlton Comics the nineteen sixty superhero Peter Cannon Thunderbolt,
as well as Marvel Comics Iron Fist character in the
nineteen seventies and the DC Comics hero of the same name.
But I was wondering because he does like the DC version,

(49:49):
who was a black guy came about in eighty three.
But the amazing man they have on the mural is
in like the nineteen forties era, which is where the
nineteen thirties nineteen forties era with Sandman, So they might
be meshing the two. You see what I'm saying. Okay, Okay,
that's just what I'm wondering. If that's what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Could be he is. Also, there's gonna be a few
people here, obviously, that's just a weird pick. I don't
know why you grabbed this guy. What part of the
story did you want me to look at here?

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
But I don't think I'm gonna really get anywhere with him.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
That's also like, well, that's one of the reasons that like,
I'm kind of noticing him. His placement in the timeline
seems to indicate this is also someone who came from
other comics. They came from Centaur Publications also had like
a Stinton Malibu comics in the nineties for Christ's sake,

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and he was a white dude. So this version of
like the original version of Amazing Man who influenced all
this other shit from Marvel and DC went on too
Malibu and had a version, had a black version in
DC in the eighties. But the black DC version, which

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would that would be the one they have access to,
shows up in the like thirties and forties era between
Sandman and Zatara, like proper Justice Society version or timeline.
So I don't know, I'm just wondering, like what a
do gun?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Here? What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
And there's I mean, in this thing, there's no there's
no back and forth at all. And there's two versions
in here. It's just a basically a sixty year difference,
and they both basically it looks like two different versions
of the younger Black Guy.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
The first one, Yeah, I'm I saw, I'm gonna call
I'm gonna call that. This is gonna be something we
see that could I.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Feel like the weirder ones as far as like the
I've never heard of this guy and I have no
idea what you're doing with him, with him on this wall,
things are going to be the ones that we pull. Anyway,
We're excited for a season two of Peacemaker.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
M h. That's for gun shines anyway, that's I'm.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Saying, so that, yeah, we'll we find I'll move on
to Zatara here, whether it's a character next to him
named Zuggernaut that looks fantastic. Zatara real name Giovanni Jean Zatara,
stage magician and adventurer again, occupation eleven, five eleven and

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seventy so limitless magic enabled by sparking his speaking his
spells backwards. Merely an average fighter who preferred sleight of
hand over hand hand combat. Mm hm, fair enough. John
Zatara was a stage magician in age nineteen. However, when
he read the lost journals of Leonardo da Vinci, he
he has reputed ancestor. He discovered that the true secrets
of sorcery, by uttering his spells backwards, he could perform

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real magic. As his fame grew Zatar also became a
crime fighter, serving with the All Star Squadron during World
War II. Starting to see that name a lot right now.
While traveling in Turkey's Zatara met and Mary, the enigmatic
Sindela Sandella gave birth to his Tatara's Daughter'satana and seemingly
died not long after. While raising Zatana loans, Tatar battled
Alura and evil elemental who cursed father and daughter with

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a spell prohibiting either from seeing the other lest both
be struck dead. That's harsh. It took Atar years to
lift the curse and be reunited with his daughter.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Uh huh, hey, you do you do remember that from
Young Justice? Though, right, there's like a version of that
where he's like inside of fucking like he he basically
sacrificed himself to doctor Fate and every once in a
while Zatana can come and visit him.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Oh yeah, well they've done a similar thing. He had
he had to martyr himself for recently a few years
back in the Justice League Dark run they were doing,
which I think has wrapped now. I think it wrapped up.
At some point it had its own private run came
in and out of the back pages kind of thing,
and somewhere in that I think I saw him set

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on fire by the upside down man.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Mm hmm. Most heroic thing, most torogic thing he ever
did was Batman Animated series, where he left young a
young Bruce with his hot daughter and went good night children.
No one they was gonna fuck know.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
That is a cool dad, brave man, brave man.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
That's terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
So it's time that comes for us all. We don't
know how much grace will have at that moment.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Zatara retired from the stage in super Heroics, but answered
the call to action when a primordial shadow creature from
Earth's prehistory threatened to tear both Heaven and Earth asunder.
Alongside Warlock John Constantine's Atana and a circle of several
other sorcerers, Zatara engaged in a seunds to help the
swamp thing battle the creature. When the creature attempted to
destroy Satana, Satara has a spell to save her from

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its staggering power. He died in Atana's place, the angel Darkness,
causing the Master Magician to spontaneously combust considering him before
the eyes of all in attendance. Now that insineration was
several years before the incineration I was talking about. Oh okay,
the one I was talking about was a fresh new incineration.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah. I feel like every incineration is really just a
nice eman. How you don't kind of trick?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, I mean a little old. So he was, in
this case when I was reading it, killed by fire
by the greatest you know, threat that Magic's ever seen,
much like the other time he died by fire by
the greatest threat that the magic world had ever seen
at that time. There's a pattern.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, it's got a real Buffy the Vampire Slayer complex here.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, you know, and some how things work.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I'm not, like, all right, so we need someone to
die to showcase the stakes of our massive events series.
I know you with the mustache and top hat.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Well, usually you reach for a flash at these times
if you're fresh out of flashes.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Though, Now, if you're doing us, it's like dark you know.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
No, yeah, yeah, if you're in the if you're in
the magic world, you grab a you grab a Zatana's bloodline,
and you light one on fire. That's what you do, right,
This is how we handle things.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Mister mustache, come with me, no, please, not again.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah, I don't know what his purple ball is in
the picture.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
What about a swamp thing? No, we're not. We're very
worried about.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
The earth is getting hotter. Okay, we can't just kill
a swamp thing.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I mean, there's there's a point where you just transition
from needing him to solve the problem to needing him
to shut up because you can't anymore, and you might
as well be quiet at any stage. He is at risk,
all right.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
They've always got their eye on Zatara.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Mm hm. Liberty Bell, if we if we had, and
not the Bell who crushed our earlier hero by a
very similar name. This one is from nineteen forty two
Boy Commandos number one.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, all right, uh?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Libby Bell Lawrence occupation journalists and broadcaster cool Real Jobs
Love It, New York City, based five six one forty
hair white, was blonde, can project sonic blast from her hands,
gained super strength when the Liberty Bell is wrong?

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Okay, is cracking it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
That is? And the Bell is right there. So that
is a very particular set of things. Why is she
based in New York City? Was the Liberty Bell always
up there? I thought we keep that thing in like Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
I think, yeah, I thought it was. I thought it
was in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
It's like, it's not in New York anymore. Was it
there originally? I don't know our history, all right. I
thought there were questions about the Revolutionary War earlier. I'm
deeply confused about the flag as well. All right. So
Libby Lawrence is the descendant of the Revolutionary War hero
heroin Miss Liberty. Wasn't it was that?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah? We talked about that?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Was that was her? Okay?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Cool? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:54):
So a champion athlete in school. When her father was
killed in nineteen thirty nine by Nazis in Poland, Libby
escaped by swimming the English Channel, becoming an international celebrity.
Libby gained superpowers through a mystic link to Liberty Bell
and became Liberty Bell with an E in this spell,
a founder member of Founder member founder member of the
All Star Squadron. After being irradiated by one of the

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Nazi Baron Blitzkrieg's weapons, Liberty Bell gained her sonic powers.
She married fellow crime feder Johnny Quick, and their daughter, Jesse,
later became the hero Jesse Quick. Jesse became the new
Liberty Bell. Following the Infinite Crisis. She serves as a
member of the Justice Society of America alongside her new husband,
Rick Tyler. A man two. This is a heavy hitting
set of names following this lady yet.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, man, that's why I think that that's gonna be
some of the people we see.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
You think she's gonna be a very important piece of history.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Here you go, you're gonna show me Miss Liberty and
her daughter who connects to some flashes.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Fuck? I like it. I would like the idea to
be that the Bell is imbued with the spirit of
the mom who had killed Yeah, when it crashed. Who
we got next?

Speaker 1 (59:02):
We got bullet people, man, Yeah, bullet people. There's there's
two bullet persons.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
So did you have anything else on on the little
Liberty of Descendants?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Oh nah, I mean, you know, you've got some connections
to some to some speedsters essentially, which I lazily call flashes.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah flish for for plural.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, I don't really have a whole lot. Uh, you
know whatever, they could do so much, they could do
so much or so little. They really could just throw
them up on a mural and be like, yeah, that's
part of the background. We're not gonna talk about it, but.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
But they're back there, all right. So in the in
the in mural terms, we've we've passed the halfway mark
of the radius part. So there's a battleship in the background.
I guess it pertains to these two, because I don't
know what Max Mercury has to do with it. He's
Max Mercury proper. Now we have a pretty good description

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about these people. I'll try to speed through. So retired
hero James Barr shows up in nineteen forty. They have
separate bios, though brilliant to begin with a special power
to start with that brilliant to begin with. The Miracloth
variation permanently increased his physical size, strength and mental abilities.
And excellent flower and tactician. All right, So miraclothes in

(01:00:30):
the cards here. Cool Jim bar son of the slain
Fawcett police officer, developed a variant of Hawkman's Thanagarian inf
metal and Narrawman's Miraclose steroid compound, and took flight as Bulletman.
He joined the wave of costume adventures that kept the
US's city safe during World War Two. He was soon
accompanied by his girlfriend Susan Kent, who became Bullet Girl.
Bullet Man was the first American hero targeted by Captain Nazi.

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He later teamed up with the Starman to stop a
Nazi incursion into Alaska. There, the heroes encountered a scouting
expedition by Venetian worms Venetian worms that was only curtailed
by the inner bench of Green Lantern Avan Sawar. After
the war, Jim and Susan married and settled down in
Fawset City, where Jim built a merchant got was an
empire based on Bullet Man. When Barr Q was accused
of having committed treason in nineteen forty two, Captain Marble

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and Starman the Sixth cleared the veteran's name. God, there's sixth.
This is again, just yeah, I see one of the
battleships in the background. Very much a wartime history. Again.
We can run this straight into Bullet Girl. This is
one and two. I don't know what one we're gonna go,

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So Diana barr and Susan Susan Kent. I honestly don't
know which one to be more relevant here, Susan Kent.
We got based in Falwsett City, an excellent flyer. It
says we got Dana Barr army trained marksman, pilot and
hand to hand combat. So story for both of them.
Susan Kent was was sure there was something strange about
her boyfriend Jim Barr Okay, Eventually she learned his secret.

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He was the superhero bullet Man. Susan insisted on accompanying
him as Bullet Girl. Together they battled Medew villains during
World War Two. After the war, Jim and Susan were
married and they retired from costume crime fighting. In the
mid nineteen fifties. There was the daughter Deanna, and made
a comfortable home in Fawsett City. After Susan died from
unexplained causes, Deanna followed in their footsteps as wind Cheer.
After stealing your mother's bullet Go outfit, Jim Barr returned

(01:02:18):
to action one final time, teaming with his daughter to say,
Billy Batson, Mary Brownfield, right the marvels, just to save
all the Marvels.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, yeah, yea yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I honestly don't know which one they're gonna do. This
just looks like it could be either of those. I've
noticed what what we get up to as far as
which one they'd be doing here, mm hmm. Second last
name Kent we've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Right well, you know, hey, in the original comic of
the first appearance, I think of Harvey Dent, they called
him Harvey Kent and they changed it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Well. Subsequently, there is some insinuation apparently of the Silent
Night character being an ancestor, right, so like a Clark
Kent ancestor. Maybe that was a speculation that is found
in the books. But like there two kn'ts just strikes
me as a bit odd for it to appear in
a history at like a first and a second at midpoint.

(01:03:11):
No is at least Tantian dynamite.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I just had like a horrible BVS thought, what just like, uh,
it's like a like a hero this like drowned horseman.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Jesu because trying to think it'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Like, while I my hero Cake, the horse is drowned. Yeah,
it's like it's like this is his name, hero Cake,
the man who eats hero Cake while horses drowned.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
We're just never gonna be able to get past hero
Cake in a way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Oh no, no, I sat there and laughed in the theater.
Wasn't supposed to but it did, and I like, BVS
still sat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
There and one of the beats for he's got all
that every damned.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I'm just like they're laughing like Jesus Christ. Of course
this Jonathan Kent like fucking thinks like, man, maybe you
shouldn't have saved him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, shaken seventy five years or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Forty he's seen some ship anyway. Moving.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
T and T and Dan the Dynamite Okay, first appearance
number five World's Finest Comics in nineteen forty two. We
got status heroes, real names, T and T Thomas n
Thomas of course, and Dynamite Daniel Dunbar occupation, high school teacher,
high school student.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Oh that sounds terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
That's definitely definitely going to code New York City five
eleven five six is. Of course he's smaller because he's
a minor, you asshole special.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
We're not mad at Batman, who's just been holding school
and the fuck out of crazy and all of his
quote unquote sons.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I know, it still seems like a dick move there,
seems like he's putting more effort into it. This one
just kind of reads as high school teacher and duty
took out with him like this feels more insane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Hey, hold on, now, I only adopt these kids when
they're grown adults.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Yeah, true, this actually bring them along emotionally speaking, until
they're about twenty five, I say, ward, they're my youthful Ward, yes,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Twenty five until the resentment grows into me, in which
time I call him a man and kick them out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
But also show them the adoption papers, right, because I know,
finally am my son.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I can only love them when they're far away and
don't trust me anymore. These guys, by the way, do
have a very James Gunny super vibe to them in
a way, my opinion. And this starts up the bio
starts off school teacher Thomasin texts, Thomas and his student
Daniel Dunbar accidentally discovered a derivative of twenty seven QRX

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and assumed the costume identities of TNT and Dynamite. God
be the adult both. Oh, there's a lot of your honor,
I understand. Both served in the All Stars Squadron with

(01:06:18):
distinction for several months. In April nineteen forty two, T
and T was killed in Colorado by Squadro the Valkyrie,
who was part of elect Axis America. The traumatized Dynamite
was rescued by Iron Munroe, and they in part formed
a subgroup of the All Stars Squadron the Young All Stars.
Uh huh okay in Rheaguay in South America, the paths

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of Iron Monroe and Dunham Dynamite crossed again as Hugo Dinner.
Oh and the Sons of Dawn attacked. Well, that's a
crossover I was not expecting. Dunbar's life remained unknown until
he next turned up as a member of Old Justice costume.
Survivors of the early heroic era who filled today's youth
should not be exposed to such dangers they took on.

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Young Jeff just learned there remains a need to train
those with special abilities. God, that's weird. Yeah, I'm gonna
do with the cross it attacked. But good dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
That's interesting, Okay, okay, but whatever. That definitely feels like, uh,
they're going to be involved in the in the years
for real, something's going to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah. And then it sounds a little bit like even
in all right, So for all of my giving him
a ship for being a teacher, apparently I guess the
fourth wall is giving him ship too, so he seems
to be a morality play about why were you putting
this kid in danger who you've now traumatized? So I
guess he goes on to want to not traumatize kids

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by doing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
That, dude, And Bruce Wayne is like over here jerking
off to the first half of the history and the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Rest right he just the back A couple of pages
were torn out of that boat. Got a little distracted
toward the end.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
No, no, no, your honor. I don't want to fuck children.
I just want to put them in danger.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Right, perfectly, kosher, I promise, not Batman.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Yeah, well we've all seen how this worked out for
T and T and Dyna mighte.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I mean, we're only usually a law comer giver or
take away from putting to work when they're twelve, So like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, you know, we're deeply concern he might not become
a Dyna Man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, true to my earlier instinct. I'm just saying there
is some some merit to just saying, look, all children
are in danger. At least Bruce is really training this one, right,
I said times than I can count.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Doesn't seem like dynamite and T and T did any
kind of real training maybe though.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
It sounds like they found some silly costumes and one
fit both of them and they got caught up in
the moment. You know, they're on the All Star Squadron
and one of them is dead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, as happened, has happened.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
We've all been there or wish we had been there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yeah. By the way, you brought up oh cool looking guys, Uggernaut,
Yeah do you you do remember we did a comic
castaways on all of them?

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah, good. He's basically a rip off of the of
the alien xenomorph and except he's purple and he was
a firestorm villain. Yeah, we did. We did one on that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
That's fantastic. So there's another I'm back to Plasmus is
on this other page. And then there's another guy there
called Phobos who looks hilarious, hair flaming red.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I don't know, yeah, oh, you know, Phobos is a
I think was a lot of fear, Well fear was
it Phobos? A moon of Mars? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Probably probably. It's got fae in it, so they're gonna
do something like that or fhoube in it. So this
one so so Phantom Lady was next, right, I have
no idea which one this one is this this little
packet over here, just says Fantom Lady one two and three.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yes, Phobos is a moon of Mars, by the way,
I had to look it up. Sadly, I don't know
that because I know anything other than Sea Lab twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Look. Information makes it how it makes it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Man where Captain Murphy decides that they are not underwater,
they are on the sacred red planet Mars, demands that
aries God of Mars right and not Wars, looks unfavorably
upon Quinn and Debbie's coupling. And then he he, god,

(01:10:45):
he he, oh God, what does he do? He says,
He renames Stormy and fucking Eric Strada whatever his name was,
as Sir Demos and Sir Phobos, Knights of Mars, beater
her of Ass, and he hands them a giant bat,

(01:11:05):
of course. And I was like, white Phobos and Demos,
And I looked it up. I was like, oh, Mars,
gotcha loads of loads of Mars here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I'll send you the picture of us. See you have him.
Sure he's one we should cover some time. I also
sent you a picture of a Phantom Lady because it's
the thirstiest thing in this entire book. Somehow hilariously over
sext that looks like every early eighties music video stereotype
rolled into one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Oh that is that is an Adam Hughes drawing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, he looks like he was from and a Grand
Prix when he drew this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Yeah, I knew before I ever even saw the actual drawing.
I saw the pose and went us, Adam h.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
All right, so we're gonna u there's a lot to condense.
I mean, Sandra Knight de laalah d Taylor's Stormy Night,
I don't do we know which one's in this picture exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Uh, she looks like she's in well she's with the
Atomic Night. So I'm gonna say somewhere in the seventies
or eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Okay, I mean it's a short description. I'll just do all.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I guess the buildings behind her are like or like
quite quite topsintegrated.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Yeah yeah there also, why do we have the last
capital behind one of them? Magus?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I don't know, might be an all Star Squadron kind
of SITUATIOND.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Meet because yeah, we've definitely seen that name. We've we
met most of the All Star Squadron at this point. Yeah,
Uncle Sam's just chilling one of the buildings in the background.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Probably, yeah, masturbating, just like Bruce.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Just enjoying the scenery. I don't know about the destroyed buildings.
We'll have to see about that. This one will say
in nineteen thirty nine. No, wait, wait wait, I'll give
you a quick thing in the special powers. I don't
know which one one of them, blackout ray, wrisk device.
She has a risk device, okay, two bracelet mounted taser, costume,

(01:13:08):
circuity defeats, electronic surveillance, can project holograms of herself. None
of that looks like an option off what we got,
but we do have a costume on that. We have
a bracelet still. Black light bands can bend space and
time as well as open dimensional portals. I do not
feel like Gun wants that. But that building does look destroyed.
I don't know, mm hmm. So, but that could be

(01:13:28):
from the do we're about to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Yeah, could be could be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
From Atomach Knight. We'll have to see her story real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Okay, By the way, can I just say for someone
who isn't who doesn't like time travel, m h a
lot of these motherfuckers are time travelers, just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
I'm just saying we're.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Flattening it into the phrase don't like I do feel
like in context, it's more that, like there are certain
types of storylines that he's more or less comfortable writing around.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Yeah. I think he's comfortable other people doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's gonna ship that often say like cool,
that works for me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
This series of Ladies bio real quick because it's gonna
it's gonna blend and don't know which what we're dealing with.
Right In nineteen thirty nine, Santra Knight foiled the kidnap
of for the kidnap of her This book has some stuff,
all right. Satay Night foiled the kidnap of her father,
a US senator, on the steps of the There we
go on the steps of the Capitol Building. M scientist

(01:14:25):
Abraham Davis was so impressed by her bravery he gave
her a special device, a black light projector. Sandra became
the crime fighter Phantom Lady. All right, so that makes
a lot more sense. We're gonna probably deal with the
broken building in a second. Phantom Lady joined the all
Star Squadron, then the Freedom Fighters and the Government agency Agent.
One decades later, she opened to finishing school the University

(01:14:45):
in under Dam de Mbre and Perry uh D Tyler.
The second Phantom Lady, served in the role until murdered
by death stroke during the Infinite Crisis. Third Phantom Lady
is Stormy Night, a spoils the Sider girl and secret
confhysicist who struggles with depression and substance abuse. Stormy as
a member of Uncle Sam's newest freedom Fighters. All right,
we got it. We're gonna be dealing with the first
one that the second one looks like it was put

(01:15:08):
down pretty quickly, and the third one looks like they
might be struggling to figure out what to do with
that character.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Yeah, let me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
See what we got for Atomic Night.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Quite a heavy book. It's genuinely not easy to not
just have a bunch of flopping sounds in the back. Theah,
we go right to a tomp night.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
So we got Strange Adventures one seventeen. Back in June
nineteen sixty, Gardner Grail Basis Star Labs. And is that
in Alexandria, Virginia? Yeah? I love these occupations occupation protector. Yeah,
he looks like a six' one nine pounds. Battlesuit enables

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Grail to imprison enemies in a status field. Attached weapon fires,
powerful bursts of heat or cold suits. Solar power cells
operate even in the reduced lighte nuclear winter. Grail is
courageous with some precognitive powers. Good God, he's underused. Star
Labs needed a test subject as they made a contingencies

(01:16:12):
for a nuclear holocaust. They chose an army sergeant, Gardner Graile,
who believed atomic weapons gave war a bad name. When
the would be Universe conquer Agamemno threatened the planet Ron,
Grail was urged to suit up in the lab's prototype armor.
He served as one of the seven Soldiers of Victory,
taking the Night the name of original members Shining Night.
Grail later tested the armor within a virtual reality that

(01:16:33):
went awry and needed aid from Superman. Okay, Grel's I
mean I presumably you're too early in our story for
some men. Greil's long time and sensory deprivation allowed his
mind to develop beyond normal limits, and he predicted many
future crises. He took the name Atomic Knight and resolved
to help protect the world. Grail currently operates out of
the ruins of Bluethaven, while another version of the Atomic

(01:16:55):
Knights exist on Earth seventeen. So he's fizzled into se
non existence in any any books I've been reading.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
Yeah, but importantly, his whole stick is like basically time travel,
like seeing atomic futures and shit and having to deal
with World War three and whatnot. Like, I don't just
how do you do that? How do you even do that?
Do you just throw him on a wall and be like, yep,
he was a part of it, But we're never touching
time travel. No, you don't gonna let have other people

(01:17:25):
have it, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
I see him, I see a Superman in there. I'm
just gonna assume Hugo Danner came to save him in
this timeline. Maybe this would be a little earlier for
Superman's appearance in the uh you know, but he appears
in twenty twenty two in this timeline.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
So who we got next, Freedom Beast? Yeah, after what
would have been described as an auspicious beginning, the book
is really really coming through on these names. Now, Yeah,
let's see how she holds we are in the Freedom
Fighters Freedom Beast. All right, we got you, buddy. Mm hmm,
all right, Freedom Beast and Animal Man number thirteen July

(01:18:08):
nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I guess I didn't. I never made it to Titans
his I never made it to him being in Titans
on HBO or right the fourth season. Yeah, yeah, Freedom Beast. Yeah,
you just said you watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I did, But that didn't mean to remember he's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Created by Grant Morrison or Old Buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Yeah, I mean I figured that from the Animal Man part,
which that which means I've read I've read that somewhere
in there. But again that that happened very quickly. I don't.
I don't recollect it. I failed myself. Dominique Dolby, I'm
gonna guess m n D A w E. Occupation Adventurer

(01:18:49):
got way too many of those. Bastown Basis, Cape Town,
South Africa. Six one. Magical helmet and potent potent elixir
enable him to f used two animals into a single
creature and command it to do his bidding for a
short time. A strange rainwater elixir heightens his strength in
five senses to a superhuman level, so his brief descriptor

(01:19:11):
chosen by retiring Mike Maxwell to carry on the heroic
mission of the Buanabast, Maxwell's adventuring alter ego reporter and
political active activist Dominic Mundoi renamed himself Freedom Beast and
used his new superpowers to help dismantle apartheid in South Africa.
Freedom Beast now fights to en violence and suffering throughout
the African continent. I don't think there's anything. There is

(01:19:33):
no difference between this character and Buannabast as I know him.
Is there like this is just the past, the passing
of the mental kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Yeah, it seems like it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
It seems like it, And I only know Buannabast from
Brave in the Bold.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
He was in a Day of Vengeance Infinite Crisis in
which he is possessed by rage, one of the seven
Deadly Sins.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Sounds yeah, that sounds like the kind of thing that
I've run across an infinite crisis. But it all happens
so damn quickly. I have no fucking recollection that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
In Final Crisis, he battled Gorilla Grod in Gorilla City
and Justice League Cry for Justice. Freedom Beast is killed
by minions of Prometheus and cong Gorilla resigns from the
Justice League to find a successor. However, he is resurrected
in the New fifty two continuity reboot of course. So yeah,
he's around, and you know, I would guess that he's

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one that we're going to see somewhere in live action.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
I can guess this much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I mean, you know, I'm sure gun is very aware
that you know, they're looking back upon d C. There
aren't a whole lot of African American African characters.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
No, I mean, so a certain amount, and then there's
a certain smaller amount that's actually from Africa in any capacity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
It looks like in this timeline, you know, you might
as well just like, let's just not do Buana beast
or mention mention him in passing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yeah, yeah, just yeah, this is one of the few,
you know, DC characters that's not named black something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Right, except they had to call him Freedom Beast. Yeah,
of course, because that connotation, right, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
And the word beast is still very clearly right there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Yep, it's not a great look.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
No, I'm not sure, but I'm not sure taking Black
off was an improvement here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
But yeah, yeah, they might call him buana beast. Uh,
and just you know, move on with that day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, and this the and and our mural. He's uh,
he's got his cheetah. I don't know why that's the
I guess, I guess cheat is pretty indicative of like
both Africa and just animals. Yeah, you get a pretty
good quick example of like where else are you gonna
find that? As? All right, you want to do a
cook break before the next one. We gotta we got

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about four more wrap up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
We got four more wrap up, Yeah, so we can
we could do another break and uh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
This this uh, this next guy has a a decent resume,
even in this very busy encyclopedia that has time for
so few mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
So we'll be right back talking about that. We're back.
We're back, and uh, let's see what what what what? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
We got next?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
We got we got a wildcat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
We got a wildcat. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Now there's wildcat one and two two is his his descendant.
This is not yellanda. We can skip right to Wildcat one,
not to send it, but you know, the we're looking
for this. It's not like, let me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Say this it might be it might be prudent to
cover both because it it might be a situation because
we're looking at him in like the eighties to current day,
not in the Justice Society days, So it might be
Wildcat to this. But I'm sure both of them are

(01:22:57):
going to be since they're.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Side of this, I think. But it won't take much
to cover her section. If we want to, we'd have
Wildcat one though. Sensation Comics number one right in there.
From the start. January nineteen forty two, he wrote Ted Grant, boxer,
New York City, six five two fifty, big boy, master

(01:23:20):
of hand to hand combat, especially boxing. Slowed aging like
other ed JS members. Yeah, that was a weird thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Raised by a timid father, Ted Grant grew up to
become a heavyweight boxing champion. In the nineteen thirties. After
being framed from murder in the boxing ring by mafioso
Victor Murretti, Ted became a fugitive from justice. Inspired by
the Alan Scott the First Green Lantern, Ted Donde Black
costume and became Wildcat. Wildcat used his new Unik firm
and his skills to pound out a confession for Moretti

(01:23:50):
and clear his name as Wildcat. Grant began patrolling the
streets from New York City and ridding them of mob
related crime. He joined the Justice Society of America during
World War Two and had a love affair with hippolytap
I forgot about that the Golden Age wonder Woman. In
nineteen forty seven, grand son Jake was kidding opuped with
the Golden Wasp and Wildcat temporarily retired from crime fighting.
Guy that that sentence makes that sound like a much

(01:24:12):
weirder series of events than.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Probably I'm sure there was like a rescue involved. Maybe
it does sound like he got the phone call that
he was that I've kidnapped your son. He was like, well,
I'm out and just moved to a ranch. Yeah, I
guess he opened his new gym or his own gym
and trained some of the world's greatest fire fighters. That
would be great and templary retired from crime fan opened

(01:24:36):
his own gym and trained from some of the YEP saying,
so just all these people are coming in and they
have to be wondering like did you ever rescue your boy?
Or no, We're just gonna We're just gonna spar okay,
cool Yeah, Batman, Black Canary two, Catwoman. Wildcat is a
current member of the Justice Society and recently used up
all his protective nine lines authors getting a little poetic here.

(01:25:01):
Another of his sons, Tom Tommy Bronson, has the power
to transform into humanoid Wildcat and joined the PSA under
his father's code name uh Sparring partner Ted Grant teaching
Holly Robinson, Catwoman's close friend a thing or two about
the noble art in this little caption. Yeah, he's he's
been around from from the start. His the major tropes

(01:25:22):
you would typically need to know about Wildcat is that
he's he's he's retired, he's still got it, and he's
trained some of the people that you've looked up to
your whole life. That's what you needed about Wildcat typically
if you if you've met him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
I don't know if this is Cannon anywhere, but I
remember there was there was an implication, at least in
a couple of runs that since he trained Black Canary
two Dinah Lance and knew her mother in the Justice Society,
there was an implication that he might secretly be her father.

(01:25:58):
But I don't know, I don't remember how that played out,
if they actually like said, oh yeah, that's a thing,
or if it was just like, no, I loved your father.
It was not ted.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Yeah, there were implications, but he's just he's everybody's father
figured though, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Like oh no, I mean yeah, he actually helped train
Batman too, so yeah, true. It was a really cool
mini series that was like Wildcat versus Batman, where like
their kid, they're like basically abducted and forced to fight
in this like underground fucking fight club. That was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
You gotta have something like that come through the comics
every once in a while. War World hit Superman a
couple of years ago. You know, I mean most of
my interaction with him, you know, the most time I've
maybe spent with him in a lot of ways was
again braving the Bold. He was a regular on that,
especially anytime you wanted to have that Batman retrain or
regroup or go back to the basics a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
But the reason I was saying like it might be
is on it was just because it was so far
along the timeline. But here's the thing, and you you
brought this up, but how darra uh the Justice Society's
the slowed aging m M, which is actually a part
of the story, Like they've brought that up. It's uh,

(01:27:19):
they were blasted with some kind of bullshit chronal energy
uh Ian Carkole during the waning days of World War two. Yeah,
they were fighting Ian Krkole and they were exposed to
his chronal energy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
And it slowed theirs down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
James Gunn doesn't like time trouble. Fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I think you are way more hung up on that
than he is at this stage.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Probably this exposure slowed their aging process, allowing them to
remain active and relatively youthful for decades. It's just such
a weird fucking thing to say.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
As the studios, I mean, if you were an artist
and no, like, if you were an artist and we're
just like I don't prefer pink Like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Like, hello, I'm uh yeah, I've just signed on to
be the head of DC Studios, which by the way,
might as well be called fucking Time Traveler Studios. Is
everybody in the It's like in the comics time travel,
like twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Of the stories. You still have gods and monsters. Obviously
we're gonna there's like it. There's like seven different ways
to get a power in the DC.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Also, it's just it's it's just a funny callback for me.
At this point, I'm not really too concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
It's like I'm rebooting back to the future. I've never
really cared for time travel, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Oh, it'd be a hell of a thing to learn
on day two of your job, you know. Yeah, like
day one, you got it all. The second day you've
come in you know where the coffeemaker is this time,
and then they just meet you at eight thirty one
in the morning. Oh, by the way, time travel. Oh no,
my greatest foe. Well, I'll give you a quick wildcat too,
basically the same situation Mantes Montes Montes introduced in the

(01:29:14):
mid eighties. It's a varying description. Here in nineteen eighty
five or later in eighty five. A frosts fighter with
cat light reflexes and retractable claws and hat speed and
super imminent human agility. Original wildcat Yolana Montes's godfather. Yeah,
all right, so suffered crippling injuries during crisis. Sounds right.

(01:29:36):
He gets injured a lot, but he still got it,
you know, sure, Yolanda decided to honor her godfather by
using your cat like abilities to carry on the battling Boxers.
Stead carry on in the Battling Boxers, stead as weird,
sorry as Wildcat too. Yolanda joined Infinity, Inc. And learned
there that her powers resulted from experiments conducted by doctor
Benjamin Love upon pregnant mothers, including Landa's own see helix.

(01:29:59):
While Cat two remained semi active after the Infiniteors disbanded
and later joined a squad of superheroes fighting to liberate
Parador from Eclipso. Sadly, she was killed by the villain.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
So wait, what when you were talking about Wildcat one,
you did say you just say you did say that
Wildcat one had a son who became Wildcat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I think that's what that said.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
So that's what I heard. And now you're saying Wildcat
two is Yolanda, which I was aware of Yolanda.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
But yeah, so one of another guys, Tommy Bronson, who
can turn into a cat, and then now he's got
this god daughter who can kind of turn into a cat.
So this is very caty. Also, like the way this
thing phrases it, like, decided to honor her godfather by

(01:30:48):
using like decided to honor a godfather. Is sounds more
like she decided to take up that career and went
through eight to ten twelve years of training or something
like that. No, you already had, you had cat like abilities.
This was not a huge extension.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Father Teddy Grant had man these kids night, many kids
had Father Teddy Grant.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Some of them turned into tiny cats, and then they
trained some bats.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
So let's just punch a bag, which is the only
thing in this mural.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Stand there next to vibe?

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Oh is that who that is?

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Yeah, I was looking. That makes more sense. This is
a very quick divs in here are not right. There
are not a lot. We're going straight? Where are we? Vibe?

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
You are god looking just as eighties is over? My friend?

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
All right, tell ya what was he like? Eighty three,
eighty eighty four or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Introduced in Justice League of America First Series Annual number
two in November nineteen eighty four. Introduced a few months
after myself, Paco Ramone based in Detroit, occupation superhero Jesus.
You just can't apply for anything still five and fifty seven.

(01:32:21):
I want to see both the Lincoln and the glass
door for that whole organization could emit shock waves to
trigger earthquakes. He is, he'll go by the name, you know,
quake and other universes and basically that skill set. Though
it feels like to me all right. During the period
when Aquaman led a reform Justice League of America out

(01:32:42):
of a Detroit bunker, Yeah, okay, they were in a
Detroit bunker, gotcha. Yeah, it's a lot to take it
into the first minutes, man, Sorry. Paco Ramone quit as
a leader of the local Elabos Albo street gang to
join the new JLA along with fellow detroiter Gipsy. Under
the code named Vibe, Ramone used his nature lobilty to
vibrate objects or air molecules and generate destructive shockwaves. ViBe's

(01:33:04):
career with JLA ended with with an android created by
Professor Ivo tracked and strangled Vibe, making him the first
Justice leader to be killed in the line of duty.
Really mm hmm feels late to be the first, but okay,
where the hell that I leave both there? There it
is Armando, ViBe's younger brother, had similar powers and later
joined the conglomerate as Reverb m HM. ReVibe Reverb later

(01:33:28):
hard Line when presumably things took a turn. Sadly, Vibe
has not been allowed to rest in peace. Twice his
undead spirit has been reanimated to Vexa's former teammates in
the j LA. Yeah, I believe he's he's he's one
of the first Black Knights or Black lanterns. I think
that I remember seeing revived.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Well you remember he is also like they brought him
back here in the New fifty two because he was
on Flash like the show, but he's Cisco, I mean
Francisco Bericus Cisco Ramone had and then he became Vibe
like so like when they did that on on Flash.
They brought him back in the New fifty two and

(01:34:08):
he was in Justice League America or Justice League of
America whatever it was. Oh, and he's the character who
like is sitting next to Hawkman and goes, you're covered
in blood and Co goes, it's not my blood, and
then Vibe just sort of gets up as slowly goes
down like three chairs.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Now this is why this might be fun. Give me
a second.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Here, which I is a totally James Gunn scene to do.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Now, see, if you're in you're gonna be here, get
over here, all right, all right, so vibe, Yeah, yeah,
this changes a lot. So in the two thousand and
eight version, we have Paca Ramon. In the two thousand
and eighteen copy, we have Francisco Cisco Ramone, Detroit, all

(01:35:00):
that stuff. Cisca remain gained his paris annowingly when the
event horizon of boom Tube opened in front of him,
killing his brother. After the incident, Cisco was studied for
years without his knowledge, by the government a gry Argus.
When Argus agent Dell Gun tested his powers, Cisco passed.
The Flying Colors Gun then outfitted him with a special
suit developed by his agency. He might get outfitted with
another special suit by another gun, and Cisco became Vibe.

(01:35:21):
Not only that, Cisco was told that starting the follow
the day, he would become a member of a new
team called the Justice League of America. And then there's
kind of like a whole section over here with like
a shout out to Paco kind of situation. Oh oh, oh, no,
this is important. Look at what this guy's doing over here.
So this part break dancer. Paco Ramote said he was

(01:35:42):
too cool to join a team of old super dudes,
but realized he needed them as much as they needed vibe.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
But break dancer Paco mm hmm. That man appears to
be doing a non Australian form of breakdance.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Yeah, I mean it's uh, it's an Hispanic character in
nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Oh yeah, he's going to do something. He's going to
be everything urban in whatever capacity.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Absolutely, he's going to be a breakdancer. I mean you
look at his costume. He looks like a breakdancer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
A series of stereotypes there that all happen on gray
street corners and fuzzy American TVs.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Wearing what I would have referred to as a more fleshy,
uh vibrant version of nightcrawlers costume from The X Men. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah, just a cardboard box always nearby, ready to be flattened.
What the fuck we gotta dance on those? It's a
break dancing thing. Oh okay, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
I thought they. I thought everybody dances, broke, broke dance,
broke danced. Yes, of course, I thought breakdancing took place
on colored, multi colored cubes in a club.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
H that is that is definitely another place that's fancy, though, Yeah,
there's the street corner version where you have to have
the cardboard.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Well vibe is decked out in a costume that I
would imagine you would wear to the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Clurb that does look much much cleavier. Probably the eighties
were weird.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Like they cut out the part of Saturday Night Fever
where that motherfucker danced against John Travolta.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's definitely and killed.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Well, perhaps even an older John Travolta showed up at
the club years like ten years later and went, that
ain't what we were doing. Yeah, kids today.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah, but they held his own for a while there. Yeah,
shall we to the next to gun fire? Someone less
ambiguous in their origins or destinations? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Yeah, sure, I guess so he.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
I don't see gunfire one, two and three in this description,
So we get to go for christ. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
I was worried because I knew and I know how
DC be doing. Yeah they I know how DC be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Like motherfucker based in New York City again.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Ninety three, though we moved on to the night.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Yeah, we're in ninety three Death Stroke annual number two,
so big part of his histy, apparently, Andrew van Horn
munitions expert able to psycho kinetically transform small objects into
explosive energy projectiles, which he uses on a as concussive weapons.
Skilled hand to hand combatant, psychokinetically do them. Okay, So

(01:38:18):
I'm reading a version of Gambit here, but not nearly
as cool and not as powered.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Yeah, this sounds like he's got to show up in
Peacemaker and they're going to make fun of him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that would definitely happen, and he would
not do well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
It just looks like he turns everything into a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit, But so his story. Andrew
van Horn is the wealthy hair to Van Horn Industries,
a powerful international conglomerate. Years ago, Andrew and his father
were attacked by alien parasite and one of the Van
Horn warehouses in Paris. The Elder van Horn perish, but

(01:38:57):
Andrew was changed into a metal human with the ability
to transform objects by accelerating their particles and warping them
into explosive weapons. Sounds cool as shit. Andrew is one
of many new Bloods see the Blood Pack, accidentally created
by the parasites. He joined forces with these fledgling heroes
and the Justice League of America to stop the parasite's
reign of terror. Andrew then learned that his father had

(01:39:19):
been an arms dealer with links to various criminals, and
vowed to put an end to his illegal legacy. Sorry
bad turn, bro declining jail a memberships. Gunfire used his
powers to stop the terrorist activities of villains like the
Oblivion Front and their leader, Dominion. Dominion was a former
Van Horn employee who tried to steal the weapons Gunfire's

(01:39:39):
father had stockpiled. A Gunfire defeated Dominion, and the Oblivion
Front was dissolved. It's ominous sounding set of names.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Nice picture of him down here below in this this
pay book defeating defending death Stroke, who had nearly fallen
in battle.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Yeah, I mean sometimes death Strokes a good guy. Sometimes
he's on the right side.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Yeah. He seems to be shooting him with what looks
like a kitchen sponge that he's powered up and some
sort of raptor. I don't know, it's a giant lizards.
It reminds me a little bit of the Star Trek lizards.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Let me rephrase something. Death Stroke is never a good guy.
He's just a selfish guy whose interests aligned with the
actual good guys from time to time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Yeah, Yeah, there's never a situation where you're gonna be like, man,
I'm so glad I trusted him because there it was
in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
You go, sometimes death strokes a good guy and just
when you start rooting for him, you remember Terra and
how he was fucking a fifteen year old and you go,
oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, yeah, death Stroke's not okay.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Yeah, the doctor lighted him. There's certain certain storylines you
don't want to come back from.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
Yeah, he's like Superhero Cosby, just fucking yeah, be aware.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Yeah, and I didn't even get into the mercenary bit.
And then who does that leave with? Lesis with Maxwell?
Maxwell Lord? Oh by the way, this guy so the
the tile version of him, this is interesting. The Tile
version of him just has him with a gun sure,
which he could presumably fire, and then grenades, which he

(01:41:17):
could presumably throw. They all seem to be doing the
Mune eating the mu knitting for themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
I don't really know what his powers are doing. He
just kind of looks like, yeah, Blackguard, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yeah, he kind of looks like, uh, he looks like
he might be a version closer to a version of Vigilani.
He might be like some kind of the gun guy Vigilant, Well,
Vigilani he's got a gun. It seems like Vigilanni might
just be like, ah, that fucking guy, you know, like
they're like rivals or something. Yeah. I don't really see
gun getting into the whole bloodlines.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Not all that crap, you know, storyline from the nineties now,
and all the names that I just mentioned sound too
ominous to bring them up in just like a passing context.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Yeah, but this guy just it's he's packed with you know,
terrestrial munitions. I don't know what his powers have to
do with anything quite yet.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
It's that, but it's totally gunfire, Like I'm looking at him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
Oh yeah, the guy. It's the guy for sure. It
just it's not like he was holding the sponge in
the picture here with all the electricity powers.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
God, there's a lot of m's before you get to Maxwell.
And then is he here Maxwell Lord?

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Not in the son of which Maxwell Lord? Is he
in the sun of a bitch right here by?

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
He's I got Maximill got Max Mercury obviously, and I
got a maxi Zeus in between him.

Speaker 5 (01:42:35):
Maxwell Lord, it's been a little bit at Elvis Costelo.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
That really I was thinking fifty two.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, I can see that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
No, I don't, especially if you put the put that
little twist on the voice, Maxwell Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Yeah, yeah, when you're really full throated, it makes more sense.
I'm not saying anything in the MS that is very helpful,
and I'm gonna look in the l's. But the rest
of this book wasn't designed around surnames first, so I
don't really know why i'd start now.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
I'll be damned.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
There he is, though, under that two twelve. All right,
we'll go back. I thought it was weird you didn't
show up, you summer bitch. Yeah, Maxwell Lord, oh yeah,
right there with the corpse of a beatle next to him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Shut up, motherfucker in the head.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
He did, he scold him? All right? So, uh, just
Slee International number one, May nineteen eighty seven, real name,
Maxwell Lord, occupation, criminal, mastermind, have to have to move
up in that presumably six', two one hundred and eighty.
Five all, Right so brilliant strategic, mind telepathic control of.

(01:43:46):
OTHERS M i keep forgetting this guy has any actual
powers BECAUSE i haven't seen a version with real powers
in a.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
While, yeah what did he? Did he have telepathic? Powers
and or, no he had a magical ambulant. Thing eighty
Four Wonder woman eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Four that feels about.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
RASTA i feel like everyone's forgotten. This but, Yes Maxwell
lord was In Wonder woman attending four played By Pedro. Pascal.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Yeah, yeah he was one of the parts of the
movie THAT i. LIKED i Thought pedro was doing a
good job with.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
It but the movie sucked, Though and, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
It is what it. Is let's, See Wonder woman Killed
Maxwell lord to break his mind control Of. Superman The
man of still did not agree with the severity of her.
Actions oh, yeah, yeah, YEAH i remember. That, yeah she
gets in trouble because she snapped his neck on in
front of. Everyone. Yeah all, right, well let's go through
history real.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Quick all.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Right Maxwell lord was the billionaire who financed The Justice
league Of america during the period when it was most commonly
known as The Justice League. International good, start you can.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Guess you can guess what gun is pulling from.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Immediately explosion of a gene bomb during an alien invasion
Triggered lord's ability to control the minds of. Others, OKAY
i mean, here he just looks like a. Technocrat he
continued as the league's behind the scenes leader until killed
by a brain. Tumor. Okay lord's consciousness spent time in
the robotic body Of Lord havoc until he regained his human.
Form holy, SHIT i forgot about any of. That by this,

(01:45:07):
time his long term ambitions to exterminate the world's made
of humans had begun to bear. Fruit as head Of,
Checkmate lord had access to The Brother eye satellite and
its army Of omac, agents which carried programming to annihilate all.
Superhumans When Blue beetle two discovered the truth of the,
Plot lord shot him in the. Head lord then used
his mind controlling powers to take command Of superman and
turn him into a remote controlled. Weapon Wonder, woman faced

(01:45:30):
with the decision to Eliminate lord's threat for all, time
killed him instantly by snapping his. Neck mm hmmm, Hm
well then that ends the story Of Maxwell. Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Right well there you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
GO i, mean come to think of, it, really other
than the versions that we've seen, elsewhere which, were let's face,
it a lot kinder between that And supergirl season. One
if you, RECALL i know he Was bordolina hero at
the end of that, one, right, WELL i MEAN i
got talked into being.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
One was he did some good. Stuff, look he wasn't
like In. Supergirl he wasn't like a terrible. Person he
was just like kind of a reckless. Choice he was
kind of a you, Know Lex luthor From smallville type of.
Character and you, KNOW i firmly stand by the opinion,
that you, know had they not moved To vancouver From

(01:46:19):
La carl's Sister alex would have never been a lesbian
because they were totally they were totally pushing those two
together in season.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
One oh, YEAH i forgot about, that but, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
That was a whole. Thing like she was gonna be
his redemptive, arc like or the the the the catalyst
for his redemptive arc if she wasn't Already, like, yeah
he helped them save The day at the end of
the first. Season it was just because that actor didn't
want to show up in another. Season they're, like all,
right let's do something else with her. Character, yeah and.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Even, THEN i think it took. HER i think it's
still took her a season or two if before they
coupled her with.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Anybody uh, yeah MAYBE i.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
DON'T i want to say it wasn't just. Immediate could
be wrong about that though it has been a, while,
yes quite some. Time but that ends our journey through
the mural as, well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
It, does and he's, well well you, Know maxwell's uh
holding what appeared sort of atomic. Symbol. Yeah, so by the,
Way alex came out as gay in the season two
episode changing it was too, okay it was season, Two
AS i, believed what? Up how you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
DOING i thought they bent he a little bit longer than.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
That but, no, no, no, no, no no no no no, no,
no no, no that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
Happened does make, sense, THOUGH i guess They they wouldn't
have just they would have made a whole storyline about
how she was single for too long if they hadn't
coupled her with something else immediately that that. Show you
were not allowed to be single on that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
Show nobody was single on this, show every like if they,
weren't if they were, not if they were, single there
was something to brew.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
With, yeah you made a storyline about.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
It mm hmm you even have you, Know John jones
wistfully looking off Remembering Miss martian because in this. Continuity
they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Cousins, yeah, yeah they are smashable in this.

Speaker 5 (01:48:13):
Continuity he's just sitting there going hot teacher From Boston
public miss. Her oh, gosh, anyway what are you, saying?
Man you want to call it OR i think call?

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
IT i.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
DON'T i would have been surprised to FIND i guess
that there was some connective thread we could pull out
of looking at all THESE i, MEAN i guess maybe
it was. Possible we, know All star squadrons name checked
about a dozen even half.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Times, yeah, yeah that is a. Thing it really, is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Just like no other major.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
TRENDS i would say there is a TREND i feel,
like and he Might i've, said he might not call
it time. Travel and sometimes it's not time travel but
time heavy situations like you got speedsters WHO i, MEAN
i feel like The mural, depicts uh does time travel

(01:49:12):
as far As worlwind And uh With WorldWind And Max,
mercury who are the same character in the, comics he's
clearly traveling through the decades on the. Mural so you've
got at least that an atomic knight who.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
Well and then don't forget the what was his? Name
the super chief that exists through a few eras as.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Well he he exists through a few, errors and it's
L diablo In namesake, anyway With El diablo and uh,
yeah And hugo definitely And Amazing. Man Amazing man has
some interesting. Connections and it's weird that they Put Amazing
man in that era With sandman And.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
Zatara it can, well that's another thing to. Note so
some of these are connected in certain. Ways we have
a couple of. Liberties you would expect them to be,
connected and they.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Are and you have you have fucking pirate theme up,
front for.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Sure you Have Silent.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Night who's Hawk. Man we have a hawk girl right
now In.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Superman, yeah, yeah a couple of. Kents AS i pointed,
out THAT'S i still find that a little striking mm.
Hmm of all the names we could have put on this,
board we only had so many, slots and that's one
you made.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
It, Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
YEAH i don't know what the liberty situation. Is it
does have like A i want to, say there's like
a supernationalistic streak up, here but, again like it's The,
yeah it's like the history of The, YEAH i mean
like it's built for a certain, THING a few teams in,
here a lot of dead people well, Naturally, yeah, yeah

(01:50:55):
this does seem to be a wall of fallen, foes
except for the guy who built it at the, end
who shoved him off in there by the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
WAY i didn't notice the ghost Of flanders is literally
standing with the with the tomb of the unknown, soldier
like the wall of the unon.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Soldier behind it with WHAT i or just, roses rose
petals or something maybe Some, YEAH i can't. Tell some
of the foreground stuff is a LOT i don't. LIKE
i don't know what the seashells are doing Under. Zatara
the fuck up these?

Speaker 1 (01:51:21):
Cactuses, yeah the cactuses are.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
WEIRD i don't really know why THEY'RE i, mean there's
two sets of. Cacti that's.

Speaker 1 (01:51:27):
Interesting, now hold, on.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
What have we?

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
FOUND i don't. Know i'm, Looking i'm. Looking i'm looking
up about the seashells in front.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Of, YEAH i, mean, HMM i the three seashells could
literally be a reference to like the oldest trick in,
magic which is the three. Cups, yeah but that feels
like it, also that feels like a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Pool there's an article That i've seen called the many
uses of seashells and rich.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Magic oh, well plenty of. Those but for, THAT i
guess that could be an actual magic. POOL i mean
that that there are a few nominees for the oldest
trick and, magicianry but mm, hmm three shells or whatever
you want to call it to one of.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Them you, know The atlanteans use magic a. Lot maybe
there's some connection With zatara And. Atlantis it's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Possibility The Wiles building we got some lesson learned with
their with their team of the high schooler and his
friend who shouldn't have been left and alone with that.
Kid it's kind of an interesting choice for the Atomic
knight type stuff. Destroyed BUT i GUESS i guess that
maybe indicates the time travel, part like he's, Seen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Well there's The World war three things a few.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Times, yeah, Yeah and we got A i don't know,
why we got a dancing. Vibe. Again the thing that
stands out the most is the the strangeness of the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
Choices we have a dancing vibe because he's A breakdway's break.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
DANCER i, know JUST i don't know why he why he's. There,
YEAH i don't know. Why many of these people are,
here and if any of it will ever bear, fruit
some of it. Will gun, said, yes, YES i don't
know any of the ones that any of the ones
That i'm questioning in. PARTICULAR i just don't know which
one of Those i'll be rewarded for and which ones
will be. Forgotten, WELL i think we've all been rewarded

(01:53:17):
because this episode. Exists. Now oh, yeah that was a
lot of fun by. Itself but speaking of if you
want to wrap us, UP i have nothing else.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Myself sure, bye all, right uh, yeah we'll be. BACK
i don't know if we're Doing news or A superman
through The ages, episode but, well something we're coming back
with something of. THIS i would have said the. Latter
But news is starting to pick up, again damn. It all,

(01:53:48):
right well until until we come, back which will be. Soon,
yeah keep some DAMN dc on your. Screen

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