Look Out! Super-Sized News Episode!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to DC on Screen.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey, David c Roberson here from DC on Screen. We've
been getting a lot of new listeners to our show
and that's wonderful. But this is the first news episode
we've done since the release of Superman. So I would
like to remind everyone that our show has a policy
of talking spoilers as free to talk spoilers wants a

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show or movie is released. So if you haven't seen
Superman or I'm just gonna go out and say Fantastic Four,
which we did see the night before we recorded, you
might get spoiled. I know Fantastic Four is a Marvel movie.
We don't talk about it a whole lot, but we
did reference something in the final act that could be

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considered a spoiler. I just thought it was fair to
tell you. But you know what, if you're sticking around,
Welcome into DC on Screen. Now here's me and my
co host Jason goss. Oh, Welcome into DC on Screen.
Why do I sound exasperated.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Pre exhausted. You've seen pre exhausting page count of this
particular episode.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
For me, it's not pre exhausted because I've been doing
prep for fucking two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Had exhausted.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
And I'm scared. Now it's mostly just fear.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, just cheer, anxiety, a little bit of Yeah, it
is fear. It's fear. That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Right, Here's the thing. I tried, y'all. Yeah, I did try.
I did. I'm not you know, at no point was
I ever thinking we're going to talk about all the
fucking news that have come that's come out, because that's impossible.
I did grab all the stuff that I wanted to
talk about, and I still may have been off a
little more than I could choose. Uh. The show notes

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for this episode thirty pages. M yeah, and that that's
including a little bit of feedback. I'll you know, so
we had some people write in some nice things and yeah,
some people not.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You know, look, I feel like when you say thirty pages,
you don't actually have to know the context of that.
It does sound, it does sound like a lot. I
will I will vow now to try to not get
in your way all out because we're gonna we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Have to go Yeah, our normal.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I'm just saying it out loud this day. Usually I
say it before and then I abandoned that entirely. So
if I say it now hoping to trap myself.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I don't know what's gonna happen here. Ye, so I'm
a little afraid because our normal like fifteen to twenty pages,
that generally gets us about three hours, right, yeah, especially lately.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But you know what, we've had a lot of people saying, like, dude,
do those three hour episodes? We love those three hour episodes.
I don't know what you are smoking. I love you.
Thank you so much for digging it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
That does make the whole thing fun. And they are
fine to do, but much like the others where we've
gone for three hours, I'm trying to I'm trying to
really stay focused here, which means it'll be about three
times longer than I was expecting.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Our hope. Jesus, Jesus, No, God, No, I don't know
what to tell you.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's just how you have to guide the plane.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I mean, well, thankfully you know, my wife is out
and she was like, hey, do you want me to
pick up some food for you? I was like, absolutely,
approach are I'm about to do the show. God knows
how long it's gonna last. If it's all the same,
I'll just pop down to Taco Bell after the show, right.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I mean I thought you were gonna say, get me
something refrigerated. No, I'd like a cold cut sandwich, please
throw in the not a salad that may wilt.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, she's she's going over to publics to get dinner
for herself. And I just can't deal with that bland
travesty of food, Like I just can't. It's like fifteen
dollars for something that you've never even I mean, you
put it in your mouth and you're like, is this food? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, most of the bar there, I can see where
it's at right now. It's just just get all the fruit.
Gonna they're gonna kill it on the fruit. It's it's
gonna be just as overly priced as the rest of
the fruit that I know about. So it's just about
the same. And it's just God, you just eat your fill,
regret nothing.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Girl went into a public the other day and I
could like, I was looking to see if I could
find some food, and all I could smell was the
fish from the seafood section, and I just went that
ain't right. Yeah, you're not supposed to smell it like that.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
No, No, that's what grocery store smell like to me
for some reason the back of them. I mean, I
grew up near a Western I don't know if that matters.
They wanted to be people that had like a deli
but or a butcher section.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
But okay, but this was when I walked in. I
was in the front. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess I was still associated with that kind of
a refrigerated milk fish smell.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, this was like fresh tank as fish like. It
was bad.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, I go into publics all the time, pick up
food for Bethany, but yeah, or my meds. But yeah,
I have discovered a few.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't know what's going on with the colors they've
gotten going on with the fruits recently, there's a lot
of hybridization going mm hmmm. So suddenly stuff like pink
watermelon or yellow watermelon or whatever starting to show up,
and I don't know, they're all delightful. Most of the
time it's just a color change, but you're like, oh,
that's cool. Sometimes it's a little bit of a flavor change.
I didn't know about golden Kiwi until recently, but they

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they nailed it. That is golden and you can throw
the other one away. That's normally what we do when
you achieve stuff like golden status, you throw the others away.
But for some reason, we stashed this one in a
corner and sold four of them at a time. I
don't know what it was. I don't know what anyone
was thinking there.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Us then woke Kiwi's everyone's so upset about it.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's why we need to embrace change people.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
By the way, I love that. We're like, oh, yeah,
we've got to go on this episode. We got like
thirty pages. Anyway, let's talk about melons and fish.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, of course, we can't help ourselves.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's let's just let's hope. That's just getting out of
our system.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
All right, ready, ready, all right, all right, you ready
to do this? All right, let's talk about the Superman
box office. We haven't talked about news in a long time,
so we are in the meantime. Dude, you're like a
day over the two week mark, and Superman has just
hit five hundred and two point seven million worldwide. It's

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doing two eighty nine point five domestically to thirteen point
two internationally, and as you might have guessed, the people
who enjoyed the movie, which are the vast majority I
would say, especially since you know, I know we're not
supposed to be like, oh, this thing, but I mean
eighty three percent on the Tomato Meter, audience scored ninety

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two percent seven point six out of ten on IMDb,
a minus on Cinema Score. Things of Success. Critically, Yeah,
just people have liked it. It did good.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
The actual audience ratings that I will typically look at
did well. The people's polls that shouldn't say it that.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Way, as we have ulcramized, you know it depending on
your bent, your bias, you're using these numbers to make
whatever case you have. You know, I'm seeing people going, oh,
it's a flop. It's a flop. I don't know how.
And likewise, like when people say this, they are just

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ratioed the fuck out of the internet. Like people are
just like commenting and being like, what are you even
smoking to Yeah, it's worthless, and you know, they'll a
lot of these people are bringing up well, inflation and
then other people say, well, maybe you got to also
count the budget when you do that inflation. And then
other people say, well, we don't even know what the
budget is, and I'm going to assume the budget is

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about two twenty five two hundred and twenty five million
on The Superman. We haven't gotten like an official number,
and I don't know what they I don't know what
they spent on marketing, but I mean it.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Broke another hundred feels right, I mean maybe, And b
it was a well marketed movie.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, it was a well marketed movie.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And it could be seventy five or hundred. I would
be surprised. It's like this being worth two seventy five
three twenty five wouldn't surprise me. Well, I say that
it kind of would, because I don't think gun would
bite off more than he could chew on the first one,
and he probably wants all the money to go to
the other ones. But like it just that's not an
unreasonable figure though.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, and you know, look, they beat the preview screening
record for the summer. Wall Street Journal says Warner Brothers
Discovery executives are hoping it earns more than five hundred
million dollars globally during this theatrical run. They are two
weeks into their theatrical run. They have they've hit it.
They're good. In an interview with GQ, Gunn said some

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of this because a bunch of articles came out saying
it had had to hit seven hundred million or it
wouldn't make us money, and he said that is utter nonsense.
This is not the riskiest endeavor in the world. Is
there something writing on it? Yeah, but it's not as
big as people make it out to be. They hear
these numbers at the movie's only going to be successful
if it makes seven hundred million something, and it's just

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complete and utter nonsense. It doesn't need to be as
big of a situation as people are saying. On the
Happy Sat Confused podcast, he described not feeling pressure while
making the movie. He said making the movie was his
release valve, but there was a lot writing on it
that all other projects could be bolstered or hampered by
Superman's performance. Now that does not mean he was lying

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before though. That means that they had a reasonable expectation
for what the film should make and still be considered
a success.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, there was a bar to clear that they had.
That is not crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
They are not demanding a billion dollars like WB executives
of old right, like back in the day when you
know Man of Steel makes six hundred and ninety or
whatever it was, and they're like, well that wasn't enough.
And then Man of Steel, I mean, BVS almost makes
a billion, gets so close to a billion, and they're
like it should have made two billion. Yeah the fuck
are y'all smoking? Dude? Yeah, what is wrong with y'all? Okay,

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Aventers did that? I don't care.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, different days, different times, different expectations, different different expectation.
As far as the reward, you didn't build all that,
Like this is the first one. Not that this is
closer to Iron Man and Thorer than it is end game, but.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like, by the way, not in game. I didn't mean
to say in game because they that hadn't come out yet.
It's just you know me, you.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Know, compared numbers, you know, like we're not trying to
hit a bill.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, but ever since the fucking Avengers came out and
Iron Man three right after it, I feel like everybody
on the internet has been like and executives have all
been like, well, we're supposed to make a billion? The fuck?
Where did you get that? Yeah? Not everything has to
make a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
It's okay, you do it one time, I think you're
gonna pull it off. Every time it is paying the.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Ass supposed to do. Barbenheimer, No, shut the fuck up.
That's proof that everyone's coming back to the theaters. No,
that's proof that something went viral on the internet and
people went out for it.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, and they've both seen a weird thing like movie
experiences that were worth worth an afternoon. I don't know
what to tell you. I think they'd hit right, but
I mean this one, I genuinely think somewhere between four
and five, probably five.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It is like, I.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Think it's probably right, exactly what you would hope it
would have done the weekend before Fantastic four hit and
was going to soak up some of the money, let's
face it. So like I mean, we went to see it,
not like we were going to see some Men again
last night, but we went to go see it. Yeah.
I still want to go see it again, but like it.
It made I think the amount of like crossing five
hundred's specifically that number is really great number to hit

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in two weeks before this one hits and takes your
edge off a little bit for if starting of a universe.
That's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think internally they would have expected four, maybe to five.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it's also a huge deal when you consider how
much the last several DC films flopped both critically and financially.
The DCEU was dead, No, it was gone.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah yeah, and like not comic book dead, like actual dead.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
So I mean, considering everything, I think it's doing damn good.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, we're in great ship.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Considering everything, like including every post having you know, a
ton of Snyder people complaining and non Snyder people complaining
that Henry, you know who just wanted to see Henry
do a thing and he never They never got him
to see him do that thing they wanted, and they
liked Henry, they didn't like Snyder. And then the Snyder
people are like, you're a clown. And you know, it's like,

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I think it's great that it's made this much money
in fifteen days.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
In just a hot second. Yeah, you know what I'm
not looking for, you though, the same type of boredom
is the inevitable headlines they're going to just compare the
Fantastic four too. It's not comparing the numbers. That's fine,
there's a lot of fun ways to do that. It's
the so and so topped and defeated, and you know
that burbage.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Oh yeah, no, they're already doing I know, it's.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Like Sunday, I just avoided those headlines. I I assume
you've been going on for about twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, it's just been you know, madness, yea, and people
getting really.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
But here's the difference. Completely bored by that at this point.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh, I'm so bored by it. But here's the thing,
and here's what I'm enjoying. A lot of you know,
every I've seen a lot of that on threads. I've
seen a lot of that on Facebook. But every time
I've seen it, they have been ratioed, like fucking so
many people being like fuck you get over it, like
get a life, you find something else to do. Like

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like people are just pushing back because people love this.
I loved both of these things.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I want to make they like the new adversary needs
to be the people who are trying to make us adversaries.
We finally might have the thread right And I'm very proud. Yeah,
I love the movement there.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I just yeah, yeah, absolutely beautiful. And you know, I
put up a post that did really well on or
you know, for for what we normally do on threads. Yeah,
and got us a bunch of new followers and stuff,
and I basically said, it's it's okay to you know,
like Superman or Henry Ann David is okay to like

(14:09):
Superman and Fantastic Four and uh, and I've gotten you know,
a couple of people who some of some of whom
I had to block, I'll be honest, who were just like,
what if I don't look any of it? What if
I only like, well, like, am I not allowed to
say my opinion? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
But yeah, but why did you chase down that particular
comment to say it on?

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, Oh, it's just you know, and then you go
to the page. You go to the page and it's like, hello,
I like Snyder, I let Donald Trump, which is in
my mouth last night that kind of shit. You're like, oh, right, okay, yeah, cool, cool, Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'm not saying those are mutually always together. But there
is an overlap, there's an overlet.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
No, it's weird because you know, uh, you know it is.
It is odd because Zack Snyder has been very openly
open about being a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the point. That's actually a great
example of how we're out a point where anyone it's
so just the people who were involved in that argument
really truly are just the people who are the craziest.
Like the actual argument moved completely on, hopefully. I think
it's scattered to the winds. I don't think anyone was anyone.
I don't think reasonable people were having these conversations for

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a long time and all of our areas were just
blank or full of these crazy zipshits. And then now
the reason there's positivity is because regular people are back
in the conversations and trying not to be dicks.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
And they're enjoying the thing, and they're just like, you
know what, I'm not going to let comic book fans
get in my right right in my way.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
This is what well adjusted people look like on mass.
I know it looks strange for us.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Here's the thing, though, here's the fun thing. Like I
I mean, we were both Snyder fans. We liked that shit,
absolutely wanted to see it again.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I like most of them.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I mean, dude, blue beetles pretty good. I mean, and
the Flash isn't as bad as everybody says. I didn't
liked the Flash. I didn't, and I still go like
when people are like that's garbage, I'm like, okay, well
that's that's a little much.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
As I like it, but not with like my whole
gesture like astro.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
It was annoying and some of the CGI was rushed.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Fuck it's otherwise goddamn.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You know how happy I was even though it looked
like shit in a lot of a few places, Like
I was happy to see Chris Reeve and and and
uh and Helen Slater. I was happy to see Adam West. God, anyway,
that's not the point, you know, Like I we are
friends with Snyder fans who are not these assholes. And
they went to the thing they said I didn't really

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like this, and I went, oh man, I'm sorry, and
then they shut the fuck up about it.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, moved on. Yeah, because yeah, the reasonable thing to
do is like, if you didn't like it, you just
sort of pop out of that news cycle for a while.
It's just gonna be a bunch of people who like that.
I'm just gonna be more it here for a while. Yeah,
you just sort of make yourself scarce for a second.
You go find other things to occupy your time in
your life, because again, be reasonable, touch grass all that stuff. Yeah,

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and then we'll see in a minute, we'll see on
the next one, you're probably like peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
By the way, you know, that's a that's a very
cliche thing to say. Now touch grass and it's kind
of reductive and a little dismissive, it feels like, But
if you look at the science, it really does help
the depression. Guys, if you just go outside and let
the fucking sun shine upon your clammy angry flesh.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I do hate it when cliches actually work.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's the worst. Like there is a thing called grounding.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, you can go just stand in the yard and
your anxiety will lower, Like it'll be okay, you'll stop
thinking about you know, how cavel got done dirty?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, you might see a bird.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Just go stand in the sun yourself. I promise it'd
be it'd be great. It's nice out there. There's nice
and vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, no, anyway, I yeah, I am very happy with
what the New Superman movie is doing. I liked the
New Superman movie quite a bit. I might even go
so far as to say I loved it. I don't know,
I don't know. I get a little I've got commitment
issues about saying I loved the movie. You know, it's

(18:25):
it's not it's hard. It's hard for me.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
You do you do have such a strange in and
out relationship with him. You can't put a ring on
the motherfucker, I'm telling you. Where as movies go.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, like I told her, when I met my wife,
I told her, like a month then I'm glade. Yeah,
I'm ready. I'm ready to get married. Let's do this
ship like not even not not after me. We were
we we met and then it was like years where
we were kind of like we kind of knew of
each other. But when we started hanging out, it was
like a month and I was just like, I could

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marry you. Let's do this shit.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
This is what movie good.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
But a movie is a thing where I'm like, I
know that, you know, just like Man of Steel. I
was not completely sold on that movie. And you can
go back. We've been around for long enough. You can
go back and listen to a Man of Stiel review.
I was not sold. I liked it, but I wasn't
like I had a lot of issues. Let's still have
some of those issues.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, but some of them were movie logic things that
I think over time, I convinced you were okay enough.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I think there were some new movie I think
personally there were some movie logic things. Over time, I
convinced you were not good.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yes, yeah, that could both ways. I think I gave
you enough ground to enjoy it more, and I think
I had enough. I think I enjoyed it so much
that your your points didn't take enough away that I
stopped enjoying it. So it leveled out. I think it
leveled out into a place where you got to enjoy
it more overall.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, I think you understood where I was coming from
a little bit, like, yeah, it was a little fucked up,
it was a little weird. Yeah, yeah, but you know importantly,
like I know myself enough to know that my first
time with the movie might not be the final, you know,
feeling on it. Like my favorite example of this is

(20:07):
Life Aquatic. I think I saw that fucker four times
before I even liked it, And when I liked it,
I realized it was one of the greatest movies ever made.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Just take a sack, dude.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
It took a minute. It took a minute for me
to get into Wes Anderson. You know, I think that's
all it really was.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I get it. It's a it's learning a language almost and.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Then I've never been as into Wes Anderson again, Like
every time I've seen a movie, I'm like, oh, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, but he is a type where like anytime you
see one of his movies, you can never be sure
if it was not great that day, or if you
weren't in the mood that day, you just you can't tell.
You can't be sure.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, that's true, that's absolutely true some people.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I think it comes to christ there.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You can't know. You gotta be you got to make
sure you're in that.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Mood and to go with six times and make sure.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
And then sometimes you gotta be like that just wasn't
that just didn't work out? Like yeah, it was just
fucking dumb, what you know.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Not joking though, Like after a while when someone makes
stuff that's complicated enough, like Grant Morrison's a great example,
Like it takes me half of a Grant Morrison book
to decide that it's him not me. Mm hmm, Like
I really get that far before I'm like, no, no, no, no,
I do think I understand the concept here, because I
you know, I'm thirty forty percent in before I've really

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got my head around what's going on sometimes with him,
like he because he writes in different scopes. Some of
them are a little moreheady than others. And the head
of your stuff the better sometimes and other times the
head of your stuff you're like, oh, okay, that was
really complicated, and I'm not feeling the payoff you lost
me on this one man.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
And that is the perfect description for asteroid City. Like
I that was a Wes Anderson that came out like
a couple of years ago something like that, and I
want the trailer. Trailer looked great, and then they had
like a framing device that just added too much complexity
to it, like and it wasn't like I didn't understand it.
It was like it was just a little too much.

(22:01):
It was just I mean, I really tried. Now see,
here's the fun I tried to like it.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Here's the fun part about knowing you as long as
I have, though, is you tend to get a little
more preoccupied by framing devices than I do. So that
is probably true. But if it's good enough, it'll still
work for me, is what I've learned. So like it
has to be just like out of the park for
the most part, Like like framing devices. If it's if

(22:27):
it's just serviceable for me, I'm like, yeah, that'll do.
For some reason to you, they bore you very quickly.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'll tell you this. And it's not a spoiler because
it doesn't exactly in the beginning, but they kept it
from you and the trailer, the whole the whole asteroid
city part of it that you're watching in the trailer
that looks so fun and interesting is a stage play,
and the real like the framing device is like this
little story about like the people who were in the

(22:53):
mood or in the play and the guy who wrote
the play, and all of that is in black and white.
So just I don't know, I just don't like it.
I just don't like it.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's just I do feel like once it gets off
that tone shift in black and white, I was probably
probably gonna fall up too, So you may be right.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Like it starts off in the black and white and
then goes to color inside of the play and then
keeps coming back out into the black and white. Yeah,
back and forth. I don't care for it. I'm not
mad at him for trying a thing.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, it's it's not a it's name of a hard
and pastoral that I differ on that one. I just
occasionally be like, no, that works for me, just fine.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, I mean yeah, go, I mean check it out.
Let me know what you think. I will talk about
it on a Patreon, but it wasn't my I just
I want to try. I tried so hard to Yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
It really is to the point where I've I feel
like I've seen so many episodes and talked about so
many episodes alone of things, not to mention the movies
that like, I do have a framework in place for
like yeah, yeah, but framing device is like twenty five
percent of the time, like down to the point where
different types of story structure pieces. I'm like, yeah, but
day feels this way. There's just a lot of data

(24:01):
out there. It's a particular lens to have him sitting
next to you the whole time.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, oh yeah, I have I have those in my head.
I'll be watching this and be like Jason will hate this,
or my mom would hate this, or like I'll I
can hear my sister being like like I've got all
these people in my head.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh, Dave is not gonna like it. When they did that,
Oh yeah, that camera work is not gonna work for
Dave in the slightest he got too dark. I got
too dark.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Now it's too light. It's too light.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And then it's just gonna get that's just gonna suck
him up, that he's gonna he's gonna be like I'm
gonna have a god damn teacher, Like it's is just gonna
not work. We can't show this today.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I can't show this to Dave.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
It really does get more specific over time of just
instead of just like being like, yeah, I just don't
think my my daughter will like it or whatever, it's
just gotten real specific as.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
A It's like everything outside of comic books and Star Trek,
I feel like there is a there's a huge portion
of stuff that I'm like, I will realize that I
am enjoying a trailer too much when I realize my
wife will hate this movie and it's not like an

(25:19):
action thing. It is the opposite of that. It's like
the opposite of what most people think the male female
situation is going to be in this like because it's
not going to be like, oh man, these guys have
guns and they're taking over a bank or some stupid shit,
Like it's always going to be like, well, this isn't
black and white and set in the nineteen forties, and

(25:41):
my wife is like I'm already out and I'm like, yeah,
but it's about Makawitz.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
You know, it's let it out of the chair.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, Or it's just like oh no, yes, you know,
got this guy who's normally a comedian but he's really
sad in this movie and he sits by a.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
She's like, cool, cooka cooker.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
So you have a guy that does a job, doing
a different job that he's not qualified for, and you
filmed it awesome. I'm gonna tap out for a minute.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah. Like we've had situations where it was like my
wife has been sad because she's gonna watch a Paul
Rudd movie and she knows she's not gonna like it
because it's it's just too much of an independent film
and it's too boring. But I'm going finally, Paul Rud's
in a movie.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm gonna like, finally, something that breeds, something that shows
me what it's sold. Is like Bethany's like Jesus Christ,
I hope the snacks are good. This is gonna be terrible.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Of course, all we both agree on Victorian England. Were
tired of Victorian England. I don't ever want to see
another damn thing in Victorian England.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
I don't me and you were about to leave. During
the Bridgeton trailer last night, it.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Was it was so bad, so bad. I was like,
what the fuck is this? Like I think I leaned
over and I was like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
And You're like, I don't know nothing so far, nothing like.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I saw an old, an old white guy kiss his
hand and touch a building. I don't know what the
fuck's going on.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, genuinely, genuinely, there's a moment in the trailer where
someone smirks, and I think it's a major plot point.
I'm not exaggerating what I just said. Yeah, it sounds
like the most British joke I've ever made, and I
promise it's not even one. It's a description of what
I saw.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, it was like a white lady with brown hair
said something to a white lady with blonde hair, and
then the white lady with blonde hair did like a
little smirky thing, and I was like, I think that's
supposed to be, Like, that's what the Bird ending the
trailer on.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That was supposed to be like four years of payoff
or some shit.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm not sure. Yeah, and I don't know what they said.
I couldn't understand what they were saying. I was like,
I don't know what the fuck's happening here.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Someone was being britishly kind in a kitchen.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
We have gone on such tangent.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Dear God, just ripped as many stories as you can,
real quick as it's like.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Okay, I reported. The Wall Street Journal notes that they
are apparently considering a Mister Terrific TV show and a
Jimmy Olsen TV show. We do know that Warner Brothers
did register for a Mister Terrific title, whether it be
a TV show or a movie. When he was asked
about it on the Happy Said Confused podcast, Gun groaned,

(28:26):
can we talk about the things that are out there
that I've actually said, as opposed to the whispers online
that are sometimes made up and sometimes real. But it
did look like he was going to say something before
that he just like cut himself off. Yeah. No, he
and he's also said that he was He is very
very cognizant. He has taken note that Crypto and mister

(28:50):
Terrific were huge, huge popular entities within this movie, so.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
They they won the movie pretty hard for a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
You know. So there's this report with the En Snyder
that says the first villain in this anthology show for
Jimmy Olsen is gonna be Gorilla Grod. Dude. I don't
know what's happening, but you know what, Like I don't
know if this has actually happened, but I would be
really happy. That would be fucking dope if they did
Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen as a TV series, like do

(29:24):
the Turtle Boy or.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Whatever the fuck it was, like Turtle God thing.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, like whatever it was with the Jimmy turned into
the Turtle Boy.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, some sort of like Yuxi's battling God Monster. I
don't know what the fuck it was. Kaiju Battle, yeah,
Turtle Kaiju Battle.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah. Yeah, And like we are, uh, we're in an
age of Kaiju battles. So that's fine. I feel like
I feel like starting with star Row in the Suicide.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Squad, but no, I mean Pacific MS. We just for
sure we.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Just had Galactus over and Fantastic four. People complaining about that,
like motherfucker. That's from the comics, Like you know how
meany times Galactus like showed up on the street way
more than you would think. Yeah, it's not like current
comics where they make him bigger than the fucking Earth
and Earth itself, you know, where he's just like his
eyeball is like the size of the Earth.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. I didn't kind of forget how much it goes
back and forth depending on what mood Kirby was in
at the time. Yeah, well Kirby, well, yeah that is different.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Kirby pretty pretty well stuck to a specific size. I
feel like, yeah, God, but it's also canonical with Galactus
that he looks different to everybody, so like, and I
love that because, like, if you look at all the
different because they've literally had panels where you see what
all these different cultures saw Galactus look like, because he's

(30:48):
so incomprehensible. He's such a fucking incomprehensible cosmic being that
different species see in different ways. I love this idea that,
like in the Marvel Universe, they're so they're so attuned
to this notion of these greater, bigger than life battles
with superheroes and supervillains. That Galactus just looks like a

(31:10):
big ass supervillain, whereas like he looks completely different to
different cultures. I kind of like that.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I mean, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just talking about the comic, you know,
not not the movie here.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I do kind of like the reclusion thing, but
that we should do that, that's different.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, we're going we gotta talk about that on the
Patreon Patreon exclusive, which.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
We can't record tonight because of this one. I'm not
even sure we're gonna get it edited.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah. No, I told you that at the theater. I
was like, we should do this on Patreon, but we're
not tomorrow because I already know.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
We should lean in. We should do these days from now. Sure.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah. Yeah, but you know, uh, Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen
in that comic. That's that's the first time we saw
dark Side was in one of those issues. Really absolutely so, like,
I yeah, I would love to see like, yeah, dude,
Superman's pal Jimmy Wilson set up some big as fuck
crazy shit in Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, it's the kind of yeah, that's the kind of
mixed scope thing that I think would have a great
time with.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
It would astound me if he hasn't seriously considered the idea,
and honestly, if he hasn't, it's just just heading out
around it.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah. I don't know if they're going to do that,
but yeah, it'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I think deep in his heart he knows he would
have a good time.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
So he unhappy, sad, confused or actually, dude, he's done
so many it's not everywhere that one yet. It's not
that one yet. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
It's not even just him, it's other people.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
This is a Q and A hosted at the HMV
Shop in London. On why he turned down directing Superman
at first, he says, when I was originally offered to
direct Superman back in twenty eighteen, I said no. I
was daunted by the task. I wasn't sure how I
was going to do it. Also, if you remember, there
was other stuff happening with Superman at the time, and

(33:06):
you know you know what that was. That was Walter
Harmada taking over and not wanting to do any more Superman,
and they were dealing with the backlash from Justice League
flopping or kind of flopping issue. Yeah, and he said
it was going to be politically messy, so I said no,
and I took the Suicide Squad, which was a more
familiar type of movie to me, which I'm glad I did.
That was fun. And then he had said he had

(33:29):
a vague idea of having Task Force X contend with Superman,
the most powerful hero in the world, and then he
was like, he didn't. He was unsure of answering the
question who was Superman in the DCEU, and he kept thinking.
He kept thinking about Superman, though, he said, I couldn't
get it out of my head. How would I do it?

(33:49):
If I did it, what would that movie be like?
How how could I make it work for today's audience,
How could it speak to people? And eventually started to
think that maybe it was something I could do. So
when they re approached me with the idea for writing
Superman three years ago, I said yes. Now apparently on
happy sad confused, he said he had three movie ideas.
Initially a crypto focused movie where Superman is just chasing

(34:11):
him the whole time, of course, which sounds fun. What
would eventually become Superman twenty twenty five and then a
third movie that he cannot talk about yet. That's exciting.
Oh wait, what the hell is that? So the toys
straight applied to us. He did say that the Planet
Watch Raptor suits were the prototype for the lex suit,

(34:33):
but the lex Suit was never in the script. Fantastic generally, Yeah, generally,
if the toys come out, they're working off of you know,
early character designs and stuff, and early versions of the
script or something they got edited out, Like, no, they
just they just straight uplied to us.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
It makes you wonder sometimes if the departments are just
really different and they ship over the final product designs
like ready to go, but they're unlabeled, and some guy
just sits there like I think I know what this is,
And most of the time he gets it right, but occasionally,
mm hmm, this looks like he's probably they're gonna put
him in the lex suit. That looks great.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
No, yeah, oh, or they're like, hey, I think Spinmaster
who did the lex suit toy? I think they probably
just said, hey, we're gonna do here's our prototype for
a Raptor and then they went, oh, yeah, well here's
our lex head. You know what, kids don't buy guys

(35:29):
in suits. Yeah, yeah, because that's a that's a line
aim towards kids. Sure, so they're like, you know, we're
gonna do this like Luthercorp Lab set. Just stick him,
stick that head on that suit. He has a suit
sometimes like that. Yeah, okay, I think that's what happened.
Just dude.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Somebody cannibalizes it in marketing and says, I don't really
give a shit if it's true or not. We're gonna
put it out this way.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Mm hmm. Have you have you heard about the scene
that gun cut for being too dark and violent? I have,
He says, this is again happy said confused the Josh
Horowitz cast, which I did not cover a huge chunk

(36:14):
of that. Like, it was delightful. It's a great show.
Go check it out. But he says, there's a really
dark thing in there. There was a really dark thing.
Once I saw the movie, I'm like, this is too dark.
Lex shoots the guy in the head. That was always
done in the extreme wide shot so it's not too graphic.
But the guy falls on the ground and blood is
pouring out on the platform, and Lex looks down and
sees the blood is about to get on his shoes,

(36:38):
and Luther tells Gerkos get on the ground soak up
Malik's blood from seeping onto his shoes. He says, Girkos goes,
what no, and Lex looks at him. Delivery's great because
he looks at him straight and says no. And then
Girko's sheepishly sadly trudges forward and lays down on his back,
and Gun does this thing. He says, he's so funny.

(36:58):
He lays down his back, starts soaking up the blood
and he's like wallowing around like the dog scratching his
back in the yard. He's like. Then Nick looks over
at Superman says, I'll see you tomorrow, and a Gun
said that the scene was shot but was cut pretty early.
He says, I don't even think it ever got to
a test screening. But dude, he was like he was
laughing his dick off the entire time he was talking
about that. I am glad that it's not in there. Yeah,

(37:22):
I don't like. That was a really sad scene, and
I was like, really sad for the elite character. And man,
I didn't maned, I would have been upset. I actually
probably would have been pissed, like laugh. Like hearing him
talk about it made me laugh. But like if I
had seen that, I would have been like that that
was too much.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I agree that was a good edit. I think that
the the visual humor of like trying to clean with
your scapula is is funny, but like it, that scene
hits really really hard as far as the tone of
the movie and it and it does so because there
is no undercut, And yeah, I don't think that belonged there.

(38:02):
That was a good thing to get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, he said. Drew Goddard was really helpful with that.
He said, I think that he was talking to Collider
and he said, I think there were a couple of
little things in the movie, three or four things that
we really argued about in the film, and all of
them had to do with things that were a little
bit darker or a little bit lighter, and discussing one
of them, Drew Goddard was like, you know what, it's
just not that film. It's not that film with this
little dark ending bit. And I thought, he's right, it's

(38:24):
not that film. And so that line that stuck with
him for the rest of the editing. He said, and
one of the things they contested hotly. Was him saving
that squirrel during the Kaiju battle?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah yeah, I heard about that.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Apparently, like a lot of people in the test screen,
he just hated that shit y, but he liked it.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
When I saw the squirrel the first time, sitting there
in the theater, I knew that was gonna be controversial though, Like,
did you have the same thought.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I thought it would be hated by people you you
would think would hate.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
It, kind of, I guess. But I just knew it
was gonna be seen as like overly silly or I
don't know too to do this in some way. Yeah, yeah, right,
and somebody be like, oh my god, this could be happening.
You stopped to save a squirrel. I just I knew
it was gonna be a whole battle that was gonna
be Again kind of bore me because it's gonna be like,

(39:21):
you're gonna complain about stop to save a squirrel. Then
we're gonna get into a whole moral argument up. That's
the point about stopping it. Just it's that it's a
very predictable thing where I was like, Oh, they're not
gonna like that, that's gonna be annoying.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Well, I like I love that. I loved that, but
I think it was one of the points of the
whole scene because he's desperately going out of his way
to keep everyone safe. He's moved this creature into this
one part of town where there aren't a bunch of people,
and he's trying desperately to keep it that way so

(39:56):
he's not falling, keep the thing from falling into this
you know, build and shit, and he's trying to find
a way to move it someplace else, yeah, and get
it out of harm's way where it could just be
happy and live a life. And these heroes who have
not yet come around to the idea that they need
to you know, be like Superman. They're just you know,

(40:19):
beating it in the eye with maces there, you know,
shooting spheres down his gullet and yeah, shooting tea spheres
into his gullet and blowing him up from the inside out.
And the man's out here saving squirrels. It's a real bummer,
And I think it's a it's a sharp contrast. You
see these guys who are just killing this innocent creature

(40:40):
who doesn't know any better, and uh, and Superman's over
here like doing everything he can, including saving a squirrel.
I think that's important. It's also very important when you
consider the overall story with he realizes that, you know,
these Skryptonian parents of his expected him to rule and
expected him to kill anyone who got in a way.

(41:00):
But he's not willing to do that.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Like he's over here saving our rodents like it. And
when I knew, one of the arguments is gonna be like,
oh my god, it's gonna be the whole He's doing
this and with all that power. Again, you have to
understand with all that power, like he he had time.
Clearly he had time. The scene worked out just fine.
We saw how the movie played out. Everything worked. He
had time to save the squirrel. It was fine. If

(41:24):
he hadn't had time to save the squirrel for a reason,
maybe we'd have a different argument. He didn't have to
try the problem the damn squirrel.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah. Now, Gun did say like he did try it
without the squirrel. But one of the reasons he put
it back aside from just liking him saving the squirrel
despite I mean, even people in the who made the
movie with him were like, non, put the fucking squirrel
back in. But he liked it because without the squirrel,
there are questions about why is Superman in that spot?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
It guy brought him around.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
He literally had to move something. He had to move
to a differently location to move the squirrel, and then
had to go back to the fraend. So yeah, you
had he had to be there for.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Some agreed, I mean, maybe a break, but again only visually.
It's it's super Man. He could have just gotten back
around wherever it. It helps to visually track him though
for storytelling, for all the right reasons. Have you seen
have you seen the the casting about what happens to
that squirrel or the fan idea about.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
That it becomes a.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Green n Yeah, which I know can't work because we
only need one from this sector, right, but I mean
it can, yes, maybe another.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Then they can be like, well that's a fucking willful
squirrel there. Yeah. Why don't we did really well with
that Kaiju attack? You know?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, we find out later that the reason the reason
Superman even noticed it was it was trying to attack
the kai drew fearlessly.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, squirrels, Batman.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
We didn't get to see the little spot before. All
we saw was who men saving it. We didn't realize
it was out there going maybe me me, me, me me,
They're about to go after that mo bugger.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Uh yeah, put him over in Sector seven four o
two with f sharp battle.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
That's grolled on to take ship from anybody. Man had
him a ring, Yeah, had fans hold that motherfucker back
from a kaiju before I could even talk, or had
a ring came out with his claws. God to help
it gets the yellow one.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
So one of the the deeply contested things was at
the end of the kaiju battle where Superman is talking
about like we could have we could have saved him,
blah blah blah. Guy Gardner says, hey, it says, uh
be called Superman, don't He said, don't be a pussy
and Superman says, hey, there are kids here, and Guy says, yeah,
I said, don't beat again. It's one of those where

(43:47):
I'm kind of glad it's gone. I'm I'm not.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Did you I think I ran across that one and
I wasn't even sure that one was a real edit
I was real I was real Okay for some reason,
decide if that one was on a REDIT the first time,
definitely go that one was gone. It didn't have to
be there.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
It doesn't quite mean I didn't have to be there. Well,
in guys Head, the bad part about kids being there
is the idea that the kids might think it's okay
to be a.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I mean, I get, yeah, I just it doesn't really
work like it.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
It doesn't work as well as you want to.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
It only works on like first viewing logic. Yeah, that
is a good That is a decent principle. I guess
for me as a viewer is I want everything to
at least work for second viewing logic. Past that, we're
going a little picky, Just give me second now.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Apparently he did. It was. The last thing that was very,
very hotly contested was whether or not Jimmy smiles at
the end while he's hugging Eve.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Was it a grimace?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Dude? He did one take where Jimmy just sadly stares
under the abyss.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, And I did, like I can't remember what.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
The story I guess, like.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I think he did like three different versions of this,
but the last one is what they what they wound
up doing, where Jimmy was upset for just a second
and then like I don't know, smile like he realized,
like this isn't really like that. She embraced this also,
like that was such a thing with like Jimmy in

(45:20):
the in the movie that like you know, Lois was
like blah blah blah, you're a hot girlfriend, and he's like, yeah,
you know, it's just like he's got issues. Yeah, And
there's even a I think I'm stuck it at the
end of the Superman News, but I'll talk about it now.
Someone brought it up, like are we gonna get to
see eve test mockers fucked up mutant feet or something

(45:41):
in the Blu Ray and Gunn was like, no, her
feet are normal. Jimmy's got issues.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
No, No, that was on Jimmy, don't take it together.
Way did you see where I kind of can't remember
that source of this at all. I'm sorry if you
ran across it a film, maybe you did. But did
you see how who he has in mind when he's
thinking about Jimmy as as a person that's that has
sex appeal his buddy Pete Davids, Like interesting, that makes

(46:15):
so much more sense for me. Yeah, because like, yeah,
one of the mysteries of the movie, just as a
viewer is like what I was saying, this guy's he's
not we're going against cast here to make him the
like the attractive one in the office. So okay, but
the movie doesn't really stop to oversell that for you.
It just makes you an assumption, so like, if it
works for you, it's great. If it's not, it's something
you're going to be held up on. Yeah, it makes

(46:36):
more sense that he's thinking of it as a Pete
Davidson who regularly is just like, I don't even know
how you're involved with these women. I'm deeply confused, but like,
clearly you have something that I don't understand, and.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Okay, yeah, yeah, and look it's it's a real thing.
Like my my roommate in college, like short guy skinny,
I wouldn't call him attractive, like kind of treated women badly,
and women were like all about him, like all about him,

(47:09):
and I was just like, I don't understand. I never
got it. And I really was like, oh, you know,
you just treat them really really horribly and they think
you have something going for you, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
But you know, in this version, he's just.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Hopefully Jimmy's not as bad as that guy.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Was, presumably not. It comes across as just a loof
I guess in his version, yeah, aloof and confused, which
I gather as he's also a dick kind of ether.
That's a little bit of the secret sauce with like
somehow Pete is just a little bit like disconnected and
that kind of like, you know, I I don't really care.
I guess I'm interested maybe, and I don't know it works.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think Pete Davison is
necessarily a total dick to these people. I don't know.
I don't know what he does in his role, not
just Jimmy. Jimmy seems like a dick. Jimmy is actively
calling her mutant toes for God, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I just mean the loof part.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, all right, so, uh, I don't think we ever
really talked about it. You could probably guess what our
stance on this is. The whole is Superman suddenly an
immigrant in this version? Y'all. I remember my uncle getting
mad because they said he was an immigrant on Lois
and Clark. Yeah, that's absolutely always been a thing though,
And I don't care what Dean Kane says. No, they

(48:23):
did tackle that in one of his episodes. They absolutely did.
It's been talked about on Smallville. Shit was done like
he was a falsified papers in the original shit like
he's not like he's not he's not a he's not
a citizen.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, legally, there's the whole great graphic novels based on
exactly named after exactly this idea, and wonderful ones like
and this one, thankfully isn't one that's crept into my
real life. I haven't actually encountered someone on the street
or a friend or relative that really needed me to

(49:01):
break this down for him. And you know, I r
L terms. But mm hmmm, I have I know, I
think I think you had hit a couple of times,
but I've I've missed all the bullets so far.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, so that's been a whole thing. I don't understand
how you don't know that Superman is an immigrant and
like he's literally from another.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Planet and and I'm just throwing this out there, why
you give a ship?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Like, these are both points I think need to be
you know, pretty well explained to me before I give
a damn about your opinion on it.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
But yeah, but I mean you didn't. I guess it
makes some sense that some people don't know that the
Superman's creator were creators were two Jewish immigrants, uh whatever,
Man that he was a champion of the oppressed, like whatever,

(49:54):
you know, you don't know, you don't know. I guess
it's all about that truth, justice and American way, which
they've taken away in this movie. Now, no, no, no,
no no, they took that away along. Nom. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
It's one of the things where like it. It's a
weird news cycle. And hell, even at this point in
our podcast as I speak, you either kind of agree
with this or just turn it off a few seconds ago.
It's just you're not gonna be one or lost by this.
It was a politicized, weird thing that brought into the
movie's culture and otherwise has fucking nothing to do with
this movie.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
It was a distraction. It was a distraction from you
know what.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
We ain't got to say.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
All right, so are we defining Superman's sequel? We don't
have any definition for it. Someone did Superman. Sorry, Gun
said Superman is very important. When he was talking about
the next film that he's working on, he said, it
isn't Batman v. Superman, and he shook his head no.
When Josh Horowitz said World's Finest now before Superman released

(51:00):
in theaters. On Threads, someone asked if it was a
Superman sequel that he was working on, and he said,
define Superman too. Yeah. So we we don't know what
the secret project is now, and it seems like there
are more than one secret projects. Seems like there's more
than a yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Now, as you mentioned, I think I feel like there's
been two or three times where he's been cag around
different subjects.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Absolutely. Uh. Now, look, I huh. Here's the thing. A
few few days ago over on Threads, I read this
fantastic theory from Underscore Lolo, Underscore d Underscore Dragon, and
I loved this theory and I said, dude, I'm gonna

(51:45):
I'm gonna fucking read this theory on the air. I
love this theory. And his theory is he says he
put he's gonna put up the spoiler thing, which he did.
He says, I'm pretty sure the secret project is Legion
of Superheroes. Here are his reasons why One Gun has
said Superman is very important to his next movie. Superman
is the reason the Legion do what they do. Superman

(52:08):
is their inspiration. Two Gunn has said no one has
made a comic book movie like this before, and he'd
be correct. No one has made an entire movie that
takes place in the future of their universe. Sure, we
have seen a few movies that show a couple scenes
in the future BBS Days a future past, but not
a full blown movie in the far future. Three pretty

(52:28):
sure a terrifics movie or show is on the horizon. Dude,
I would love that. So you have half the team
and Superman, Absolutely do, mister terrific metamorpho. Adding Plastic Man
wouldn't be hard. But the audience needs to be introduced
to the Legion in order for Phantom Girl to show up. Yes. Also,
if a Booster Gold show is coming, you need to

(52:50):
explain his Legion flight ring. For Supergirl has a very
close connection to the Legion, first meeting them way back
in the nineteen sixties. If you want to continue her story,
it would make sense to have her go to the
future to join the Legion. Five gun excels at team
based comic book movies. Legion of Superheroes is right up
his alley. Is weird, wacky, and fun with lots of

(53:12):
personalities for him to explore. Those are my reasons, guests,
we'll see. Gun said today in an interview that we'll
find out about his secret project sooner rather than later.
Now I said, we would read this other show. I
love the theory. Yeah, I think there might be something too.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I don't think there's a couple of other groups that might.
I don't know. I mean, you could make just as
good a chance for just a random Justice Gang kind
of team up thing, but rather than just a proper
Superman two kind of expanding like almost like X Men
two kind of or Dudpill two kind of thing, but sorry,
dead Pill three really, but you can make it sound

(53:48):
like it's going to be more like that, more of
a The Gang's Here kind of type sequel. But there's
you know, there's the points against that and to be
exciting as hell. I'd love to see that.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
So Lolo d Dragon, I think I feel like that
was a fantastic theory. I want that theory to be real.
Here's what Gun said though, in that in the latest
Rolling Stone interview he did.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
That was a thick interview.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
They said, the tone of this movie is very much
a Superman where the thirty first century Team, the legion
of Superheroes could exist. What are your thoughts about that
for the DCU, James Gunn says, I've thought about it.
I'm not a time travel person. I like science fiction,
but time travel is a rough one for me. I
am not into that. I'm not really into teleportation either.

(54:32):
I have weird things that just aren't for me. Now,
you could say that the Pocket Universe is teleportation, but
I don't really think of it as that. I think
of it as traveling from one point in dimensional space
to another, as opposed to teleporting, which I think of
as the person dying and being recreated.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
One hundred percent with him on that. By the way, Sure.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
That's what I like about teleporting.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Actually, I think there's a lot of interesting storytelling there.
I just I have issues with like myself prime and
a tell A prior too. So I get his not
wanting to mess around with it right right, time travel,
I can get it. I can have a lot of
fun and time travel myself, I don't know, don't unctually
the version of that one.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
So I don't understand his his stance on time travel.
And it's a bummer because I love that theory and
that's all that in the interview, and I was like, well,
fuck man, But you know.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
There's tim like there's a Kronos in this universe that
like he is gonna deal with it. Just because he
doesn't like it doesn't mean he's not gonna, you know,
have to be a big boy about it and do
some stuff he may that may be somebody else's wheelhouse.
That movie.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Well, that's the other thing. He announced Booster Gold. Motherfucker,
what do you think Booster Gold did? Now, maybe he
just means that it's not something he personally wants to tackle,
you know what I mean, Like if he was just
like I don't want to deal with this. I don't
like time travel. If I could wrap my head around it,
like Gun seems open to things, but he also seems

(55:55):
very like I don't want to deal with this specifically,
Like you can't do Booster Gold and not do time
yet possible. We know that that's happening. We know Booster
Gold is happening. The part of what we're talking about, well,
we can talk about it now, I guess. But one
of the things is that they've got a new showrunner. Uh,

(56:15):
the guy that did our Flag.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Means death, so that's always exciting.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah. I'll get into that later more. But yeah, I
just don't see a situation. I don't see a way
James Gunn can helm the DCU and not fuck around
with time trap. Yeah. Yeah, but if you're really doing it,
Like gun has said a few things lately that have
been like say what now, like what you have a

(56:44):
hang up about? What? Ya? Do you know what you're doing?
Like I mean, I do think he knows what he's doing.
I don't mean it like that. I mean, like not
in a mean way. I just mean, like, bro, it's
the DC universe, Like there's gonna be some weird shit.
And look he did Tall Superman and you know he
never liked the glasses thing until Tom King was like

(57:06):
you know they're hypno glasses right? Oh cool? Yeah. Like
I feel like hopefully when the time comes, we will
have our Drew Goddards, We'll have our Tom Kings standing
ready to and lockstep saying James, James, there are things

(57:26):
you must.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Understand, right And will there be some things you can
do with a time travel? Will someone be there to
depend teleportation?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Because who cares? And there are the ways to do
things clearly.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah. Also, you could just say that any teleportation is
opening a rift in dimensions. Yeah, just say it. It
doesn't have to be demterialization.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I mean, that's kind of my issue with it is
I haven't I don't. I don't have a super plausible
at hand theory that doesn't suspend my disbelief to some extent. Yeah,
that to me, that's how I interpret it when they
say have a problem with time travel or whatever is is,
I have so many I wrestle with the issue of
its existence so much that if you bring it up,

(58:05):
it will bring me out of the story.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, dude. I'm also like, I'm reading these these interviews
or watching these interviews, and I'm going, uh huh, James,
how adhd are you extremely because I'm seeing it. I'm dude,
I'm seeing some dolphining, like fucking heavy dolphining, Like what
are we talking about? He's talking about time travel and
all of a sudden he's talking about teleportation. Nah, nah,
you you you you did some dolphining in your brain.

(58:28):
I recognize that behavior because I'm that person.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I see them as a category of like, yeah, there's
like this category of story functions that I don't like,
here's the set of tropes that I won't personally like
to lean on. But like you said, though that doesn't
mean that doesn't mean they won't do it, can't it
doesn't even necessarily have a plan for in place. Like
he's like you said, mister gold, you got to rewrite
the character right, and it from some of the gun

(58:52):
ethos seems to be that not just to leave it,
leave it if you don't have to kind of thing. Well,
I guess leave it if you have to, if you
don't have to is a good way putting it. Actually,
no need to fuck with it just for the sake
of it. And then he seems to like to mess
with as little as possible because he kind of wants
to keep a lot of what people know in place
and not just move it. But like, yeah, there's a

(59:12):
good reason like Krypton.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, or it was not a well known thing. He'll
fuck with it as much as he can, yeah, or
as much as he wants to. Anyway. You know, I'm
not at all saying he should be fired or anything, though,
Like now, I have deeply enjoyed everything the man's made.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I feel like even phrasing it the way you just did.
Someone's gonna be like, what do you mean you brought
up fired? What are you thinking about it? Like, no,
it's not what I meant.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Oh yeah, no, yeah, no, you know this every little
thing that this guy says, the gun says, They're like,
see he doesn't understand it. I'm like, yeah, by the way,
can we just do a little caveat here and just
a little dip. James Gunn, I not James Gunn. Zack
Snyder never said that there's a fucking grave with earth

(59:58):
crypto in it that John kit put down to show
to teach Clark about the fragility of life. That is
a thing that keeps going around that. Zack Snyder said
that he did not say that ship. I can't find
anywhere where it actually came from except for a stupid
damn post on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah there that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah. Jonathan Kent did not Zack Snyder's. Jonathan Kent did
not buy Clark a puppy to shoot it. That's called
child to teach him and teach him about the fragility
of life. Like y'all are full of shit and people.
Someone wrote that just to get people upset about that
kind of this worked. People are like this, Zack should
ever out of the uiver Ah fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, we really we've hit another point where I didn't
generally used to be. And this was true I think
about four or five years ago that like if something
was like, if the source of something was a rdit post,
it was almost certainly going to be absent bullshit that
was going to be complete, like if not, if not
a lie that's inocuous, a lie that was meant to
be there and malevolent. And now that's Facebook. If you

(01:00:59):
if you look in you had a couple of clicks
and you can only find a Facebook post that says it,
just move on me to the life. I promise you'll
be okay ninety nine times out of one hundred right now.
If you're not, you'll find it somewhere else, I promise you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah. Now, look, if I have not been able to
find the source where Zach said that, if you actually know,
if it's real somehow, and you know, send it to me,
please d you see on screen at gmail dot com.
I will, and I'll be the first to go like, oh, yeah,
that's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I mean, yeah, no, as far as there's been plenty
of things, it would effectively be breaking that story. So yeah,
it hit us up great sons.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yeah, absolutely. There are plenty of things I don't agree
with Zack Snyder on. It's okay, Jimmy Olsen's death not
a good thing. That probably wasn't a good call. Staffanzod's next.
There's precedent, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.
I mean you wouldn't done either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
I think, no, it's it's the same thing I've said
a million times. But like in for what they were
in both cases, I thought they were just fine and
did great on screen. I wouldn't have probably done him
if you let me from the gate pick. Mm hmm.
But as the as the meeting unfolded in front of
me and the pitch kept going out, of being like,
yeah that makes sense, though, let's let's do it, I
would have I would have bought it. I would literally
put money into the thing and said budget that movie.

(01:02:13):
So I would have to be like I would have
to take responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Mm hmm. Well, I mean, you know, you think about
it and it's like, okay, well Snyder killed Zod and
Snyder Superman killed Zod in the uh in the burn run,
you know the man of Steel burn run Okay, yeah,
oh he killed him in Superman two, as you know,
as far as you could tell, you know, without looking

(01:02:38):
at the uh fucking deleted scenes where the cops are
taking them away somehow, like yeah, okay, so Superman two
you say, okay, yeah, it looks like he threw him.
Yeah they killed him. Cool. I you know, I never
would have thought like, oh, yeah, that's gonna be like
the major thing, that's gonna be the thing that makes
everyone hate Man of Steel, which is not. It's a

(01:03:00):
lot of perfluous bullshit. It's a bunch of hyperbole about
how dark and awful it is. And I'm like, y'all
haven't really paid attention to the movie. I mean the color, yeah,
the color grating.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Was dark, but like I never cared about that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It's I mean, I get it. I mean you did
care about that. We have a first episode. I've heard that.
You know, we talked about it at lengths, but it's
just never Jason, Yeah, no, I get it. Yeah, we did.
We did have I think you said something like, uh,

(01:03:37):
I want to see an aquaman in an orange who
swims in an ocean that's blue. We did. We didn't
have a problem with the slider cinematography, with the color
grating anyway, not the cinematography that's always great, but also
I think it was like the first one of the
first five shows where we were like, okay, now people

(01:03:58):
are just like baking, making it damn near uh black
and white and lowering the shadow on it so that it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Darker like Sepio Toney, and they're like, oh my god, look.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
How Yeah he's bullshit, but you know, Henry's Superman was
far more hopeful, by the way. By the way, also
David Goyer watched Man of Steel, I mean David Goyer,
who wrote Man of Steel and uh and bvs. He
watched the New Superman. He liked it, so fuck off.

(01:04:33):
I'm all over the place. I don't know who I'm
talking to anymore. Superman's Easter egg filled Hall of Justice mural.
He released that ship online. People have always already figured
out who everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Was because I did not have time to sit down
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
And look, but that look okay. So here's the list,
Sister Symmetry, Silent Night, x Oristo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
See I knew on the first name that I already
I knew I was supposed to pull out my DC
common encyclopedia before you started giving me this damn list.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Now, hold on, I'll get there. I'll get there. I'll
get there because there are a lot of people Black Pirate,
Miss Liberty, Whip WorldWind, Super Chief, l Diablo, Hugo Danner,
the Ghost of Flanders, Sandman, Amazing Man, Zatara, Liberty Bell,
Bullet Man, Max Mercury, Bullet Girl, T and T, Dynamite, Phantom, Lady,

(01:05:30):
Atomic Knight, Freedom Beast, Wildcat, Vibe, Gunfire, and finally Sean
Gunn's Maxwell Lord. Okay, and I kind of do feel
like that is not for this episode now, but we should.
We should break all of these down.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
I'd tried to count in my head as you were
doing it, and I think I'm only one or two
over the fifty knowing who the fuck you're talking about
off top of my head. Mark it is right at
a coin toss, whether I even recognize the name you
just said.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah, there there are some I know, Like I know
Freedom Beast is like the guy who took over for
Buana Beasts, you know, like I know who Wildcat is obviously,
I know who Vibe is, you know, like Liberty Bell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Satar, lady, I don't even get that kind of stuff,
a little bit like LGBA, we're gonna see that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
But yeah, we need to do like a Hall of
Justice sized episode of Comic Castaways.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
With just the breakaways from them. Yeah, yeah, we should
do that. God, we're gonna schedule that soon too. Okay,
it's on that end. Yeah, yeah, I'll do some folly
work there we go. And by the way, to do
to make that sound.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Gun says there was a ton of thought put into
who went on that mural, a ton of thought, and
when asked if audiences could expect to see the heroes
depicted in the artwork appear in upcoming TCU projects, Gun said,
not necessarily specifically see all of them, but yes, some
of them we already have in the works in different
things in different ways. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Sometimes I think that's just the eletory gift out of
a room and go ah and just run like excited.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
You'll see yep, I think so man to think. So
I'm excited though, like I definitely want to do something
and I don't even know, honestly, it might not even
be a Comic Castaways that we put on Patreon. I
kind of feel like it might need to be like
an actual episode of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
That one probably might be. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I mean we're talking about like big time fucking DCU
shit here, man is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
We'll have to hope that the latest edition that I've
remembered to have contains all of these names, because I
have not looked them up, and I think you just
spent out like fourteen or sixteen of them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yeah, well, we've got the internet as well, whatever's left
of it. Uh confirmed that this dimensional imp in Superman
was not mister mix yaspitlick. He says, No, he's just
a stupid basic imp. He's nowhere near as powerful as
mister mix Ya spitler.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
Yeah, we thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Of course I did not think it was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, I was. I guess you pointed out you know,
they just said this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
It cracks me up there to learn that this was
just a basic bitchamp.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Right. They never even set a fifth dimensional imp. This,
this is just a dimensional imp. It was just a
random dimensional imp.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Have to have an origin number, I feel like for
some reason, but I'm not sure about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, maybe could have been a fourth dimensional time travel right,
He's not going to time travel he's not gonna do
time travel Jason. He hates time travel, the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Fifth dimensional parts of the imagination bit. I don't even
know what six is, but I'm scared of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Yeah. So a lot of people have been asking why
didn't Supergirl tell Superman about the message.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
We had an in cannon answer ourselves, which was basically,
why would you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, well, first of all, like, you know, they're cousins.
You know, my family is a lot different than my cousins,
any of my cousin's families. We didn't. We weren't privy
of the weird shit they said, you know, in their household,
until years later we all became friends on Facebook and
they were like, you know what my dad just say
about your dad. Yeah, we didn't know about all that.

(01:09:32):
So there's that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
But the phrase you hear on here is you know
your cousins, and they'll emphasize the word weird. That means
we don't agree with this, but we are related.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah. Now, in an interview, they said, I think people
want to be reassured that there's a good explanation for
why Supergirl didn't tell Superman about his parents. Says she's
presumably more knowledgeable about Krypton, and Gun says, you are
assuming that everybody on Krypton is the same, and how
what does she know? She's younger than him, so she
wouldn't know she wouldn't know anything about his parents, and
he reiterated on threads she didn't know his parents. Now,

(01:10:09):
it's interesting that he says that she's younger than him
because traditionally she was sent ahead of him as a teenager,
so she is technically older than him. But she got
like laws sometimes in the Phantom Zone, you know something,
you know, there's a little different variations there. But when
she arrived, she's still a teenager. The good bit, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Must fami with this that she's kind of a teenager.
Clark was just kind of like just about to be
born in her version of just regular life in Nargo
City or whatever it is. And then you know, she
goes down and then she just gets delayed in Nowhere'sville
longer and shows up and he's a grun ass man
now and she's like, well, but I feel protective because
you were my you know, my cousin I was about

(01:10:51):
to have. You know, that's a veryon iun familiar with.
But the time he gets knocked around all the time,
much like the Yeah, like rockets and a phantom zone and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
He's been cage. He doesn't want to talk about it.
Exactly what we're gonna see. He's literally said, you're just
going to see in the Supergirl movie. But like if
they're going by Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow from tom King, like,
I mean, they were just like that chunk of kryptom
is just out in the middle of space. They were
just doing everything they could to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah, she spent so years there and yeah, really.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
This isn't years. Yeah, this isn't like a really like
let's I mean, she wouldn't have known Joerell in his
in his kin.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, like, whatever they're going to do, let's put it
this way, whatever the plan is or how closely they
may or may not follow One of Tomorrow. And small spoiler,
there's a reason we see her drunk in this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, details will follow, but there there will be a
reason for that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Mm hmm. All right. So a lot of people upset
about the It's not that many actually, but you know,
you see it. I've been seeing it. People are like,
I don't understand why he had to change everything and
make the parents from Krypton uh want him to conquer
the earth. Well, they don't. They're not bad people. They
don't think that they're being horrible about this. They're just like, hey,

(01:12:09):
go shepherd these people into the light.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
And has no coral with a boot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah. Yeah, so, and it's a rolling Stone interview. They said,
did the original idea for the Jorel and Laura twist
come from your reading of the John Byrne comic where
Krypton was cold and sterile and Clark embraced the Earth
over Krypton. God says, yeah, listen, I read that when night,
when it came out, I definitely had that in my head.
And isn't it also a little bit in Birthright too?
So I did have the comic background excuse to do it.

(01:12:37):
Real ones know this. I knew this, you knew this. Yeah,
this is not the first time Jorell in the comics
has showed up and being a cock. They did it
in a Smallville, they did it Birthright, they did it
Man of Steel.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I can remember the name of this run in this
Man of Steel. I think I'm intertioned on the show.
Maybe last time at oz Effect though was the last
run run that I just don't remember the other day. Yeah,
what a dick.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Yeah, dude just shows up. He's a dick. Rolling Stone
interview said, even among people who love the movie, there
are some who also have enough of a lingering affection
for Krypton and the idea of a benign Jorelle and
Lara that they're hoping that will somehow get ret conned
or revealed as a double secret trick or something. I
even I even proffered that that might be a thing.

(01:13:24):
Gun says, they're shit out of luck. Yeah, damn, dude, diplomacy, diplomac.
I thought I was bad at being diplomatic. Yeah, yeah,
I'm fine with it. You know what, I'm fine. I'm
fine it like it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
None of the theories that were building had anything stopping
them from working other than just do you want to
or not? And I think this is just one of
the things where he is he know that that is
where the stakes are going to be. That one's real.
Just there's no going back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Sorry. Yeah, rolling Stone said, the problem is fundamentally that
would undo the entire emotional arc of the movie, and
Gun says, that's right, that's the whole point of the
movie that Superman thinks he is doing something because it
is his destiny and his Kryptonian parents have set him
out to do this thing, and along the way he discovers,
through the love of the people who are actually his parents,
that he's doing these things not because of someone else,

(01:14:13):
but because of himself. It's like taking accountability in the
deepest way possible, that his morality is not based on
some figure outside of himself, but his own choices. I
think is really beautiful in that way. And I'm not
gonna change it. I haven't and I don't really And
he says, I don't really think Jeril and Lara are
being totally evil. They just have this mindset that humans

(01:14:33):
are less than what they are. We're sea turtles to them.
They're not just trying to keep the crypt They're just
trying to keep the Kryptonian genes alive. Yeah, no, sorry,
where are you about to say?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I just realized how much this is. Uh, this is
like a whole nature versus nurture argument that he's us deeply.
I hadn't put it in the language of nature verse nurture,
but that's the entire film right there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
M They asked, will we see Ultraman again? He says maybe. Now.
Look here, dude, I've been seeing his fan theory going
around about uh about Ultra Man that I really like,
And I was not a big fan of the idea
that he was a version of Bizarro, which he totally is,

(01:15:15):
I mean, but like him. Yeah, Like, I have seen
this theory going around that he gets sucked into the
black hole and he starts piecing together his world, he
makes his little block world or whatever. He's clearly not
as smart as uh as Superman by a stretch, but
the idea, the theory is that, you know, pretty much

(01:15:36):
most of the time all they were saying to him,
all Alex was just yelling codes at him, like A
A one or whatever, and that the code to get
back up is B zero, and he keeps just trying
to get back up and saying B zero, B zero,
B zero, Bizarro bizarre. I like that theory.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
That's fun. Yeah, if they get around to it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Who knows the most attached them into it is just
the idea that he's going to go into a weird,
condensed sort of non reality kind of thing where I
guess he might be strong enough to try to rebuild,
because maybe he's strong enough to survive a black hole
kind of situation, but which aging pretty substantially. And then
also there were a bunch of cubes pouring into that
hole as well. That's the closest I've been to being like,
I don't know, maybe there was a plan there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah, maybe there's something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I mean, I don't means a black hole that's a
deeply you don't have to see the shoe fall off
kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Death right, And you know, here's the thing, it doesn't Also,
it also doesn't have to be a real black hole.
They could come make some they can make some bullshit
science up, because you know what else is bullshit science?
Superman being able to blow his way out of a
black hole. I mean, yeah, in a way, I don't
think that's a real thing. I don't think this is

(01:16:56):
something did in the Fantastic Four movie too. I'm just like, no,
all those fuckers would be everybody's just flying out of
black hole pretty much. Yeah, JJ Abrams first Star Trek movie.
They just flew out of a fucking black hole, and
I went, that's not how that works.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Black Holes are just kind of like the new Quicksand, you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Know, yeah they are. Yeah, and we saw what happened, Yeah,
but we saw what happened to a tray who's horse.
These kids these days are sawt thykuse they could just
blow their way out of a hole. That horse died
in Quicksand.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I did run across the video the other day of
a guy, a French dude who worked himself into around
around chest height in the Quicksand and then worked himself
out like a weird little fish and rolled over. I
meant to send that to everyone that's my age, just
to be like, now it's doable. Yeah, And I don't

(01:17:52):
know what I saw in the vicinity that he could
grab onto.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah, I don't know what I saw. It was something
online that was someone had written something to the effect
of movies and television had me thinking Quicksand was going
to be a much deeper problem than it didn't wound
up being in my life. Oh yeah, yeah, that was
a standard, Like everybody was in Quicksand. Yeah, like freaking
Wormwood and anime in series had Batman in the Quicksand

(01:18:15):
and like every time I turn on a Looney Tune,
they're in some quick sand Like there's just sick, like
I said, you know, the tray's horse, and never in extrare.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
I thought basically anything that was lush enough might just
have quicksand hanging around, yeah, or dry enough.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
I didn't really know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
The animators weren't very particular about where to put it.
Are the right?

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I mean I remember being worried and going to the
beach and going like, is there gonna be some quicksand no? No,
why would you think? I mean, don't go into the
ocean because there's a certain time, because there's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Be like an undertoe, but there's a current that will
kill you. That's the same you want to call it that. No,
but you But paradoxically enough, you go out there thinking like,
I wonder there's quicksand kind of worried, and then you
find out there's not, and you start trying to make it.
You start trying to pour water into the hole at
the right rate to make it and just kind of works.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Sure, there spent a lot of time in that whole
Crabs are annoyed all afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Over In the Rolling Stone article, they said they asked, gun,
I'm surprised that some people thought the movie was too
fast paced and I wonder if it's because people have
gotten too used to the rhythms of television and to
movies cut to the rhythms of television. So I'm curious
what you were thinking as far as pacing and energy
with this movie. I feel like this interviewer had some
sort of astra grind with this question, but it was

(01:19:29):
very interesting. But Gun says, when you test movies, almost always,
especially in the early test screenings, one of the main
questions they ask is is it too slow? Is it
too fast? Is it just right? And my movies have
always had an over abundance of too fast compared to
too slow, because I am not indulgent. I just don't

(01:19:50):
give a shit about my little, precious moments that are
so important to me. In making a movie, I want
to create something that is as streamlined as possible, and
if that means I go too fast, sometimes I do.
And so it really is about pulling back. That is
a thing I think about guns movies. They do. They're
a little fast paced, a little they there are times
where you need to let it breathe. I do, I

(01:20:11):
think that. And it's funny that you talked about that earlier.
You made that reference to me, just wanting to let things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Breathe, yeah a little, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Because I am that guy and if I you know that,
that's one of the reasons, like we one of not
the only reasons, but it's one of the reasons that we.
I specifically had a lot of problems making anything on
YouTube back in the day because like people were literally
like taking a chunk when I got out and said,
I'm not doing this shit anymore. People were like literally

(01:20:40):
taking their best bit in the video and putting it
up front as like a little mini trailer for the
fucking three minute video, and I went, I'm just not
doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
I'm just not The early days of of just that
like content editing were just way you knew early on
this is not my lifestyle at all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
No, yeah, yeah, as just like Wens, I made a
few vines and I thought, this is the most joyless
thing I have ever conducted, like just trying to like
rattle off dialogue in the fastest way possible because I'm
not capable of writing short form comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
It was it was not for us. Now, I do
appreciate throwing away that like guns basically answering this question
by saying, yeah, I do that, yeah, but also going
on and it's yeah, that's what my movies are, like,
I mean, yeah, yeah, I agree. And it it not
that the conversation doesn't hit for me, because that wasn't
an issue like I think, you know, in our first review,

(01:21:41):
I was I thought the pacing was maybe the one
thing where I was like, man, I had trouble catching up.
And then the second one I realized that, Yeah, I
think the pacing was just because I was in my
head and couldn't catch up like I think when I
when I saw it, I was like, no, I'm good
with the pacing. It moved at the speed that the
movie should move. I just wasn't prepared to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
But I think it is a little fast for me still.
But I think it's weird that it's not weird. It
makes sense, but like he lets ship breathe on TV
like Creature Commandos and Peacemaker like that fucking stuff, like
very much.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
So there is more breathing in here than you would think. Somewhere.
It was pointing out that that conversation, that interview, that
uninterrupted scene with the interview is twelve twelve minutes. That
is a lot of fucking breathing m hm, and not
the only time they do that. I mean, I know
there's a lot of there's the baseball bat in the
imp in the background, but the other conversation has got

(01:22:30):
to be another ten Like they specifically take Lois as
a grounding ride the entire movie, and we gotta we
gotta give a little credit here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, I mean, I'll give it credit. You know. It's
and that was that. I love that scene. That's like
maybe my favorite scene in the film. Uh, it could
I could have used more of that, but I'm that's
me as well. That's just who I am. And it's
also hard for me. You know, I'm not like a
professional or anything, but you know, as a creative and

(01:23:01):
someone who enjoys movies and has written I like slow
shit a lot of times. So I mean, you know,
I'm always gonna have that like, yeah, I may have
done this a little differently. I mean I don't love
the movie. Yeah, every movie is something. Almost every movie
I should say, is something I would change. Sean of
the Dead, you know what I would change. We've had

(01:23:21):
that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
I can't remember what is it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Oh, it's the bit where they pretend to be zombies
to get to the to get to the bar. Yeah,
I kind of just hate that, which I kind of
hate that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Here she was just that you thought it just is
silly or something.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
I would think that they the zombies would be able
to sense living creatures instead, you know, they wouldn't be easily.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Fooled, that they wouldn't that they wouldn't roll with that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
And I see, yeah, I've never seen a zombie movie
where they're.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Just like fooled like that by the acting alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think that. Yeah, when I know we've had this conversation,
I'm sure I just forgot it now. Yeah, I think
the idea was that the well, the conceit was that
no one has ever in the history of filmmaking or
zombies or inside this particular film, no one else has
tried to escape via acting. So yeah, it's it's definitely

(01:24:10):
I don't know, but I think that was the point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Maybe maybe. I mean, it's a near perfect movie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
So I still, as I've also said, I like to
call it a perfect movie. And I know, but I
like to think that there is something I can call that,
and that's the closest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
I know to it, So why not yeah. Yeah, but
also we don't know how these zombies work a Shot
of the Dead, so they do everything in their power
to not tell us anything about the fucking zombies and
why it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
So so you can do stuff like have them act
the way out of the situation. So there's knife rules
that you can be worried about breaking it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Right, right, I need to watch all of those movies again,
Shot of the Dead and Hot Fuzz and whatever that
one word the World's in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
God a little Paul, if you want to just have
like an addendum that feels right but.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Isn't mm hmmm what except not part of that. They
don't have Cornetto and it wasn't right right right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Yeah, it's not proper Cornetto trilogy. It was written as
a Cornetto. I don't know how much I don't I
forget at this point if the outset was I'm gonna
do these three. I know they wanted to do three,
you know, like the idea was not that the third
movie was going to be at World's End. They didn't
have all that together. They just ended up kind of
in the middle of it. I feel like it was
a it's like a definition that as they were going
applied and it became the Cornetto trilogy. That is what

(01:25:26):
they call it now after the fact, without exception, and
Paul was just something that was very close to it
in spirit that happened around the same time. But yeah,
it was not involving enough people.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
But a great adventure, great little adventure byself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
So at the Picture House Podcast, Gun says, I didn't
want a Superman who was perfect in any way. Nobody's perfect.
Even Superman loses his temper, even Superman throws the desk
across the room with legs he did in the animated series.
Do you remember that? Gun says, it's been a long
time though, Well, maybe I'm just misremembering it, but I

(01:26:04):
thought I probably do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
It's just it's really genuinely been about twelve fourteen years
since I've rewatched that series.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
So some of the highlight Rail now and I just
have a good imagination. So it might not have even happened.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
In the future, we're going to know, did you ai
that memory?

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
I can't close enough, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Yeah, like sometimes when I get spoiled, and it's funny
because Matt Carroll over on Star trek cast, DCU cast
as well, not MCU cast as well. You know, we
we I don't know if this is a thing a
power that we both got hanging out together, or if
we're just acutely aware of certain things. I think you've
mentioned being able to do it as well, where like

(01:26:44):
we will get spoiled on a on a TV show
or movie and just like talk ourselves into misremembering it
completely to where it's like, no, I didn't need to
know that, ah, And then like you just like come
up with scenarios like, well, that could have been this,
and that could have that, and until you don't even
know where the fuck you read or heard, and then

(01:27:04):
you watch the thing and you're like, oh, that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Course, we're taking what is in a relationship a deeply
unhealthy set of behaviors that you should definitely see someone
about if you ever find yourself doing anything like what
we just described, but in this time is fantastic and wonderful. Yeah,
because yeah, we just basically try to like gaslight the
idea of there even being memory. Are you kidding? I

(01:27:27):
can't even know. I can't I can't know about yesterday either,
I guess really just what's breakfast. I don't even know
if I had that terrible day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
It was a terrible day, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
And then after I've seen whatever it is, so I
can get once I'm off the hook, then I can
remember everything with good enough clarity.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Mm hmmm hmm. Anyway, Gun says that, uh, that's something
Superman probably shouldn't have done throwing the desk, but defended it,
saying I liked it, even the things that he does
that are imperfect or because of the goodness and pureeness
of his heart. I was really excited with the interview
scene of Clark and Lewis actually talking about their real

(01:28:04):
lives and the way they approach the world and what
their morals are and what their differences are, and really
seeing those in a human way, not taking anything away
from who Superman is the nikon, just getting to know
him from a different point of view. That is exciting
and fun to me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
I think throwing the desk stuff like that. The line
about the punk rock thing would fall very flat for
me were it not for these bursts of anger, like
how madd he is about like people are gonna die,
and it just wears the dog like at the very
very basist level. It's it's just really about I mean,
he just gets angry when he can't get when he

(01:28:41):
can't get to the people he wants to get to
to save them. That's the rock side of it. I
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Now. In an interview, Frank Grillo said, I think the
next time, if they don't fire me, the next time
I'm in something white, I have the white hair.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Thinks it sounds like there's two complaints into HR right
now that he's worried about a meeting for Yeah, all right,
I get a zoom meeting if we make it through that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah. Yeah. But Frank Grillo said, you know, people were
very upset that he had the black hair and Superman, Yeah,
he says, and in Peacemaker looks like he says, I
was on another show, Tulsa King. It was literally back
to back and during I just couldn't go white. He says.
The internet in general was very mean about my dark hair. Sorry,

(01:29:33):
I mean, we just wanted to understand Man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
The animation adds ten shades.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Mm hmmm. Does all right, so we're moving on from Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
I didn't know there was such a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Okay, that look that might be the most we the
most we talk about Superman news wise post Superman probably, Yeah,
I feel like things are wrapping up. This has been
like three weeks of news. I think I think the
Superman news my die down might talk about box office again,
I'm sure we will. Yeah, and a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
I mean they ended the like they're at home from
a lot of those press things that we're just getting
all the stuff from where we are now. This is
us covering a lot of the stuff that they are
tired about right now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Well, you know, this weekend is wrapping up. They're doing
Comic Con. Yeah. Sure, And he's talking about Peacemaker.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Forgot that was actually this weekend, all right, So after
that they're gonna get home.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Yeah. But he is, like he is talking a lot
more on Threads. He's back to answering questions on there.
He's showed up and talked about Peacemaker, which we'll talk
about in a little bit Sandman. The rest of the
season two is now out in its entirety on Netflix.
It did do really well. It was in the top

(01:30:45):
ten chart the first week it came out. I haven't
really paid any more attention to it. I haven't seen
it yet. I can't get there. I can't wrap my
brain around watching it. I'm stuck too because of the
Neil game and allegations.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
And yeah, the Nil game of it all, no gaming
of it all is is hard for me to swallow
at this moment. But I'm I'm still on the fence.
I might try to just just do it, just like
on the Yeah, the Noil game, I'm gaming of it all.
That that all hurts in a way. But on the
other hand, there was just a bunch of people working
on something really hard, and like, I don't want to you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Don't want to take away you know, you want to
see their work.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
So I'm torn. I feel like I'm trying to talk
myself into it. And once I've knocked out a couple
of things that I'm like into right now, and I
had to hit that little inspiration gap or motivation gap
where I'm looking for the next thing that I think
I'm gonna try again and see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Mm hmmmm hmmm. I might. I think I will eventually
get around to it, but I will.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Find I will finish that show. I just don't know
if I have any right the second.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Yeah, Yeah, for me, it's not gonna be a situation
where I can make this happen in a timely manner
to review it on the show. On this show, I'm
aware that you know Sam Mane Hiss DC. Yeah, No,
I had a lot of love for Neil Gamon in
his work, and uh, I'm still kind of mourning that

(01:32:09):
and still angry with him and uh having some trouble.
I don't think I'll enjoy the show. I think I'll
just be sitting there thinking about sexual assault the whole time,
and I don't want to think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Maybe maybe that's the key. Maybe it'll be what what
I used to watch it so I can't move on
watching it knowing it's in the It's a thing that
I'm going to consider pastense and you know, just take
for what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Mm hmm. Over to Peacemaker, A gun does say Peacemaker
is a direct follow up to Superman. It has so
many characters from Superman. Rick Flag is in it, Hot Girl, Maximell, Lord,
Guy Gardner. It is a direct follow up to Superman,
but it is very r rated. At the Comic Con

(01:32:58):
he said, Uh, maybe there's gonna be a couple more
people wondering these hauls that are also in Superman and
in peace Maker season two. He's not telling who.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Did I see as well? That he said it was
one month after.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Uh time wise in the timeline of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
I don't know, thank you so, but I glanced at
that when I moved on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Sorry, I didn't see that, but I haven't. I haven't
seen that one reported anywhere. But I'm I mean, you know,
I can't. I'm not omnipress. I know I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I didn't even stop to see if that one was
real ish.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yeah, I tried, and uh, I thought I caught most
of everything. But you know, as always on this show,
if there was something we missed, it's something we did.
You wanted us to talk about, just write in DC
on screen at gmail dot com or catch us on
one of our many social media platforms and be like,
hey man, you didn't bring this up, and I'd be like, okay,

(01:33:54):
I'm sorry, I'll talk Please please still listen to Our show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Is really more collar based than you would think as
far as that goes. We we really will spend a
lot of time on some bullshit if you want to
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Oh yeah, I mean, we spend a lot of time
bullshitting a point. Yeah. Isabella Mercid, who played h Hot Girl.
She says Superman definitely ties into the story of Peacemaker.
What was really fun for me was getting to show
my relationship to maxiwell, lord, who is sewn Gunn. I
love Sean. Love that James continues to work with the
same people, she says. I love that he has that loyalty,

(01:34:33):
and I hope I'm part of that gang now. She
says she loved getting to explore the chemistry between the
Justice Gang. All that's cool. I'm excited that they're going
to be in Peacemaker season two. I am really excited
about it. Dude, I'm almost I continue to almost be
more excited for Peacemaker, I think than I was for Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
I loved season one so much.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Well, yeah, that's a good thing though, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
It's also fucking if anybody knows this show, they like
where my sensibilities lie, Like dick jokes are rated, you know, bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Like singing with the dildo before he gets attacked by
a I don't want to what do you call it?
My multiversal monster? I don't know what to call it,
But like that's the kind of thing where yeah, you
got me a meeting, you got me in five minutes. Man,
I was in that show just off the off that
really but this is and you can try to make

(01:35:26):
this another thing where people insert hostility doesn't have to
be there. But yeah, yeah, that's that's actually how this
is supposed to work. Like we saw something exciting, there's
another thing coming. We're even more excited now. That's just
the momentum of it. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So, by the way, James
Gunn is officially a competitor of ours.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Now, yeah, we are boned.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
He's already won. He's releasing a Peacemaker companion series, Peacemaker
the Official Podcast with James Gunn. It is a companion
podcast series that will provide deep dives and insight into
the show. And they're they're doing there, it's already out,
they're already doing They're doing like two episodes a week.
They're going over all of season one. Motherfucker's gonna be

(01:36:09):
talking about like what's canon, what's not cannon. He's got
people from the show there, Like, I mean, I'm gonna
watch it. I'm gonna probably gonna rewatch season one and
then listen or watch the show on YouTube because.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
You're actually, God, we are around a lot of time.
I need to go and do that. I kept that
was like a month ago. I thought I'll get around
to that in a month. Mm hmmm, And here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
That Rolling Stone interview said to shift to Peacemaker season
two for a second, which we've already done on this show. Uh,
they said. The trailer suggests a multiverse plot, which has
made some fans assume you're going to directly addressed his ship,
address his shift from the prior dc film universe the
d CU, to the current one, the DCU. But that
seems to go against what you previously said, which is
it will be a much more natural flow. Gun says,

(01:36:58):
that is true. Yes, people are realizing that Peacemaker season
two is about two dimensions and that's really the core
of the show. But it's not as if one of
those is old DCEU and one's DCU. That's dealt with
in a very different way, very upfront of season where
most everything is season one as Cannon and some things
are not. And in fact, I did a podcast with

(01:37:19):
Steg and Steve ag and Jen Holland we did every
episode of Peacemaker, and in those episodes, I talk about
we's canon and what's not. I basically chip off the
little things from Peacemaker season one that aren't canon, like Aquaman,
but most of the stuff is canon. So yeah, it's
it's the alternate universe Peacemaker goes to is not the DCEU.

(01:37:40):
Damn it not precisely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
I ag Really, Gutton does have me a little bit
gun shy on this because part of me wants to
be like, yeah, but it could work if he did that,
because because he's been shutting down some of that recently,
so I kind of don't want to spend the energy
on it. Yeah, just let the shakeout, Just let the shakeout.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Gun revealed the new intro song for Peacemaker season two,
Oh Lord by Foxy Shazam. I sent you a I
sent you the video for me. What did you think
of it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
I did enjoyed it. That's a bit of a jam.
Not something I'm gonna listen to probably outside of like
I'll enjoy when it's on the show, and then that'll
probably exhaust me of the vibe of that. For a
while and then I'll kind of enjoy listening to it
in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
After that, it's it's not quite catching me like Wigwam
did immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Yeah, but but then again, like Wigwam really got under
my skin, but only after a couple of real attempts
I did. That didn't hook me right then, that's you know,
that's a crunchy little front riff. But I had to
get over the eighties of it all, so it it
took a second. I did watch the entire music video,
and like I told you, I have not personally seen

(01:38:50):
someone enjoy being a front man that much in a
long time. Yea, that was refreshing. He is he is
having a good time that they all genuinely looked like
that was a fun set.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
That that was cool. Yeah, h Gun calls Peacemaker season
to his favorite soundtrack, and he does tease more Ozzy Osbourne.
Did you see that trailer by the way, No, oh,
I thought I sent you the trailer? Uh yeah, they
did a trailer. You want to pause and you can
watch the trailer? Sure? All right, So now you've seen

(01:39:18):
this Peacemaker season two trailer that he released at Comic Con. Uh,
knocking it out of the park with some Ozzy Osbourne
dude like, oh my god, rode it nowhere, and you know,
he said he didn't realize. He like he put it
in there before Ozzy passed. Yeah, yeah, and like he

(01:39:39):
started doing it, he was like, oh my god, it
hit him and it was like, this is I had
forgotten I even put that in the in the trailer,
like everyone was like, it's an Ozzy tribute. Yeah, no, No,
he's being honest about it. He's like, no, I didn't
mean to do I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
I mean genuinely, that would be creepy if it was
a tribute from when that had to be made. But this,
let's be real, guys, this was inevitable that it's praying.
It's probably not just this, Like he is used in
so many soundtracks in so many capacities. Somebody was gonna
be using him by happenstance the time it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Oh and he said, there's more Ozzie coming in the
in the in the show.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Now that I can't vouch as far as time it goes,
that may or may not be advantageous about time, but
I'd probably vouch for this one.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Yeah, he said, uh, you know, and he'd already said,
you know, he made like a little post about how
it was sad that Ozzie had died, and then he said,
I think today or yesterday Ozzy Osbourne in the trailer
that was really sad the other day when he passed.
And it wasn't until this morning I remembered we had
him in the trailer in the season and in the
season like dude, like this stuff has been done for

(01:40:41):
a minute. It wasn't like they were just like throwing
it together. They're not, you know, Parker and Stone right,
which kudos to those come back. Oh my god? Uh
like did we I don't think you and I talked
about this, But the brilliance of that South Park episode

(01:41:03):
because everyone's like, well, now they're gonna get canceled and
fired or whatever, and they're like, no, no, they just
they just signed like a billion billions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Have to give them so much money to fire them
that they would be able to buy them back.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Yeah, Like there would be no they literally cannot fire
them one day.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
It would borderline bankrupt even that company.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah, I mean that's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
It would hurt even that company.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
They're not doing well it would bankrupt them, it would
kill them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
I don't think they had the money. I don't think
they had the money to give them give them the
deal in the first place. That's how bad it is
that that that part was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Yeah, was that for debate.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Anyway, Let's talk about the trailer. It made me sad,
which part uh the fact that he is so sad
in his in his current universe and then that he
would want to like take over his alternate universe's life
because he's a hero there and people like him and

(01:42:05):
he's with Hardcourt in that universe, and I don't know,
it's just like a lot of I don't know, I've
been there at times. Yeah, I felt like this universe
isn't the one I was supposed to be in.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Yeah, I get that he's going through like his unappreciated
feeling kind of it feels a bit in midlife crisisy
and some like broad generalization kind of words. Mm hmm.
I mean that in the best ways, they'll trust me
the I dug the trailer man it, Yeah, that thing

(01:42:35):
looks exciting. I think the one thing that's the only
thing that may be bothered me is if there might.
I'd sometimes worry I'm gonna spend there's gonna be too
much time of a feeling of like spending time in
the world that you're in eventually close by the end
of the season. Which that's a weird mixture for me
because sometimes I want i want to spend even more
time there because I'm fascinated about it, and other times
I'm like, yeah, but but this isn't gonna count, so like,

(01:42:57):
can we wrap it? I do'n get back stuff. It's
gonna count. That that's I don't know how to predict.
I have a theory it might be Earth three that
he's hopping over to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Yeah, I mean if he is a good guy in
this other universe and him and Hard quartered together and
his dad's a good guy, and his brother's alive and
is a good guy, are they are.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
The good guys not good guys?

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Are the good guys not good guys? Yeah? Basically are.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
You're just interpreting that it's like not a good guy universe.
It's just worrying one where they're winning.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
I mean, if you know, we've heard that like corn
Sweat might be in Peacemaker. Yeah that sounds you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Know, it's heavily rumored, but heavily really rumored.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
But what if he's playing actual ultra man. Yeah, but
you know, like crime Syndicate.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Yeah, I don't think he's going to try to pull
in both words right the second though.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
I mean, if he did, if he did corn Sweat
as ultraman and then he said that other people who
were in Superman are going to be in Peacemaker. Dude,
if Frosda his shows up as as like Superwoman, I mean, yeah,
I'm not saying they're gonna do that. I'm just saying
that as not trying to be like, hey, let me

(01:44:19):
amp up expectations for the listeners, and then when we
watch peace Maker, we're gonna be like, well that sucks. Yeah, Yeah,
this was just weird.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Now, what's your opinion of hope there's a real chance
of it. So what do you give the odds that
whatever universe this is that we're going to go play
in for a while is just it's getting up being
like one primary universe that they go play with, And
what what do you think of the odds that it's
just sort of a Paul Cloth New Numbered. It'll have
some references to stuff, but it's not going to be

(01:44:46):
really pinned down enough. It's just gonna be something he's
gonna play with here put it down.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a pretty good it's
a pretty good chance that it's not gonna be Her three. Importantly,
it's just going to open up the multiverse easily.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
I mean, the fact those doors even exist is yeah,
he chose violence as far as Yeah, now, well going
after continuity possibly, And I will.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Say this, it made me laugh. I'm sorry, I'm gonna
repeat it on the show The Universe with all the
skulls with the spider legs they'd looked at through the door.
Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Yeah, yeah, what the hell is that?

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
I don't know what it is, but a bunch of
people are posting that picture and going it's the Snyder Verse.
You are not right, Look, that is not the damn
Snyder Verse.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
In terms of visual styling grading, I cut okay, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Color grading yes, even though I'm pretty sure well the
background the sky looked a lot like the Nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Yeah, yeah, And I would think it's hilarious to open
up any reading version of the Snyder timeline.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
For a second.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Yeah, yeah, I just don't know if he's gonna want
to do that, but yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Am a uh. During the panel for Peacemaker Season two,
Guns said uh that he was asked who was better
Eagerly or Crypto, and both John Cena and Gun agreed
that Eaglely was the perfect pet. He was the better
pet of the two. Gun's reasoning was that Eagly was
better behaved than Crypto was. Yeah, but uh, and Eagerly

(01:46:23):
is meant to be loyal and endearing and he's exactly that.
But uh, but Crypto uh is incredibly strong and would
absolutely beat Eagerly in a fight.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Yeah, I mean he he can fly to It's not
it's not gonna go well even but oh god, yeah,
I wouldn't want to put him a gein. Like, as
far as fan favorites go, that is, that's rough. Like
I wouldn't want to see the celebrity deathmatch version of that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
I don't think they would fight. I think Peacemaker might fight,
try to fight Superman. I don't think. I don't think
Eaglely and Crypto would fight. No, I think they would play.
Oh god, yeah, I can't believe we're having that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
I can't believe we get to have that conversation. I know,
it's such a wonderful time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Over to Clayface, gun says, I was going through a
deck for the movie clay Face, which is being made
now at DC, and they were showing me a bunch
of reference photos from different horrible things, and they were real.
He says. They were just laughing at me because I
can't look. I'm closing miles the whole time. They're like,

(01:47:32):
James Gunn is the one who's so grossed out that
he can't look. He mentioned that Slither was a love
letter to body horror movies like Cronenberg's Shivers and Larry
Hagman's Beware the Blob, despite calling himself really squeamish. If
I know it's not real, my brain changes. It's interesting.
I mean, that's a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long time, so I've really
known horror well enough to predict what they mean by
this when they say like, oh, oh my god, it's
just so terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
I've seen some crazy stuff as far as just the
scope of it all goes. I don't revisit a lot,
but seen some some things. How much farther can you go?
Mm hmm, it's just gonna be another horror film at
the end of the day, I assume.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
Right, like probably.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Ra they're excited, but it isn't a genre where like
I understand all the notes, there's a lot of pedals
on that fretboard I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Now. What was funny though, is like I I have
been excited about clay Face, and it made me excited
about Feet of Clay the animated two part animated show
from Animated series that h the guy Mike Flannagan. I
don't want to say Matt Shackman, No, that's not him.
Mike Flanagan said he based his initial script off of that,

(01:48:51):
and I showed it to my wife and one of
the things that stood out to me was how little
Batman was actually needed in that two part story, like
just looking at him, like, you know, shows up from
time to time. Yeah, but every time Batman shows up,
like clay Face just kind of pins him somewhere and

(01:49:12):
goes about his day. And uh, I mean yeah, Batman
is the one that puts all of us the different
roles on the screens and doesn't realize it wasn't a
plan from Batman to like overload his system. But I suspect,
because there have been rumblings about a female lead being introduced,

(01:49:35):
I suspect that Flann again also pulled in that third
part of Feet of Clay that's not actually called Feet
of Clay where we find out that clay Face didn't
die from that electrical surge or whatever. Well, we'd already
knew that because of the end of Feet of Clay.
But the woman who's like has him going to get

(01:49:56):
the isotopes or whatever to like try to re solidify
him or whatever he's in that suit. I don't know.
I suspect that might be part of it as well.
Of the clay Face movie. I don't know, just been
a thought of mine. They haven't officially announced the female lead,
so I didn't include it in the news.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Yea, I think that's it. I really don't know what
they're gonna do with that yet. Yeah, I'm gonna be
a babe in the woods with most of that until
I kind of get pretty deep into it. They're gonna
have to show me a little bit before I have
any grasp.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Mm hmm. I mean, you know, I'm just it just
occurred to me of how little Batman is really needed
in that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
In that through that particular one, Yeah, because he's like just.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
Kind of he accidentally defeated him kind of but then
didn't actually defeat him, like if you if you are
not because you're basically in that story, like Batman is
just sort of a rogue element that's just kind of
in there. Because the show was called Batman, you could
totally do a horror story where it's just like this

(01:51:00):
dude coming after Roland Daggett and his crew of cronies.
I don't know, I think it's a neat it's a
neat idea. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm very curious to see
what they're gonna do with that. Yeah. Like that. Over
to the Lanterns, sorry uh Over on Lanyarn's Nathan Fillion's

(01:51:21):
talking about being in Lanterns and he says he's very arrogant,
he's very self absorbed, and he's talking about how he's
like very opposite of Aaron Pierre's John Stewart. He says, Aaron,
he's got a voice like butter, and he's statuesque like

(01:51:41):
he's carved out of marble. He's very very specific about
his character and what his character's going through. His character's
clearly going through something. And then along comes this gregarious,
smug son of a bitch and Guy Gardner. And in
that show boy, Guy Gardner, I've dropped more f bombs
than that project than I have and I think my

(01:52:02):
entire career put together. And he did say that Guy's
smug attitude comes across in his first scene with Stuart,
but by the end of it, you can tell there
is a shift. Guy Gardner is no longer comfortable, he
is no longer feeling smug. Then you can see where
John's strength really lies. That is a strong individual. He says.

(01:52:23):
He doesn't really have any scenes directly with Kyle Chandler's
Al Jordan, he says, but meeting Kyle, he's everything you'd hope.
He would be very fun, very nice man, very lighthearted
and fun to be around. David Corny Sweat might have
spoiled Lanterns. He says. One thing that it cites me
so much about James's vision for the DCU is the

(01:52:44):
different genres and tones that the movies can take on.
And I know people are skeptical that certain genres as
characters can mix. I would love to see this Superman
in an R rated project, in a detective you know,
and a thing like Lanterns, where it's a true detective feel.
I just think it can happen in spite of how
bright and playful this version of the character is. Like

(01:53:08):
that sounds like you know somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Well, I don't know how to take that. I don't
know if he knows something or if he's just throwing
that actor see to me, it's like he's almost throwing
that I was hypothetical to. That almost confirms that it's
not a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Yeah. Maybe maybe, But then there's always.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
There's always the like, yeah, you just can't trust actors
when they're talking sometimes mm hmmm, use their face is wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Over to Supergirl, James Gunn is teasing some of the
DCU Krypton scenes a Supergirl. He says there's always a
possibility of seeing flashbacks of Krypton and Supergirl. He says,
but I think those things are really integral to the
two characters and the differences between them, and that Clark
really does have sort of this really happy childhood. I mean,
he has parents who loved him in an easy going upbringing,

(01:53:51):
and it makes him the least dysfunctional of superheroes in
so many ways. And Supergirl, especially the DCU Supergirl, she's
kind of a mess. I mean, she's had real issues
growing up. And it is based on the comic where
we where she watched person after a person after person
dying in front of her as her piece of the
planet disintegrated.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Fuck that's back to the drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
Yeah, oh yeah, back to the drink. Yeah. They put
out a picture of her. She's like drinking on a
on a looks like some sort of a big gulp
ice something I don't know, icy or something, so and
and it had the Superman symbol on it and said
look up. But then they like spray painted out up

(01:54:37):
and wrote out right, yeah, look out. I liked it.
I thought it was fun, nice official look at her
since people were leaking her her shots, her couple of
shots from Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Yeah, it was a great looking poster. I showed that
to a few people who I got some raised our
brows of intrigue. That looks fun, Like, yeah, you have
no idea what she's met there, You're going to enjoy this?

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Yeah, Yeah, to Crypto's fate. Rolling Stone asked people who've
read The Woman Up Tomorrow graphic novel might have reason
to be concerned about Crypto and Supergirl. You cut a
scene where Ultraman punches Crypto because it upset audiences. If
he can't be punched in this movie, how do you
have a scarier thing happened to him in a Supergirl movie?

(01:55:23):
And Gun says, remember this is a different movie than Supergirl.
Supergirl is way more rock and roll. It's a little
bit rougher in certain ways. She's a tougher character. She's
not Superman at all, and so it's not the same.
This movie really is for everybody, and so a Supergirl
put us a little bit edgier in some ways in
this film. Mind you, I've seen all the dailies, but

(01:55:46):
I haven't seen the cut. I see it next week,
I think, so I'm very excited about that. Yeah, this
is the thing people have. I've seen a lot of
people glossing over. They're acting like Gun is directing this movie.
He's not as Craig Lesbie. He's not. He's not quite
as involved.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Yeah he knows where it's landing, but somebody else is
flying m hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Over the Batman Part two. You know, I don't think
we've talked about another on this show yet because we've
had a lot of stuff going on, a lot of
Superman reviews leading up to Superman. Yeah, and so on
X A while back now, Matt Reeves and Matt Tomlin
shared themselves sitting together on a couch and in the
foreground on the picture is the screenplay for The Batman

(01:56:31):
Part two with the bat logo on it, and gun
said he's read it. I liked it. It is on
track for October twenty twenty seven release date. Gunn also said,
for sure, we're headed in the right direction. So there's
some things we still got to work out, but it's
headed in the right direction all right now. There was
a story that came out a little while ago. Warner

(01:56:53):
Brothers reportedly dismissed a black Superman movie for being two woke,
and this was blame Don David's as Laugh. Apparently, David's
az have shelved the ton of Heasy Coats Black Superman film,
and the reason by according to the sources, was because
it was a period piece set during the American civil

(01:57:16):
rights era. Zaslav apparently said it was quote unquote two woke,
but that happened in twenty twenty two. Subsequently, James Gunn
has said that's the thing that might still happen. He said,
if Coat's script is great and the timing is right,
the project would could absolutely happen as a else world's
tale like Joker. So, you know, I don't know how

(01:57:39):
true it is that Zaslav, you know, shelved it for
being too woke.

Speaker 1 (01:57:43):
Yeah. I don't want to put the words in his mouth,
but out they're plausible.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Yeah, they're plausible. But at the same time, like he
is not in charge, James Gunn is in charge. And
James Gunn said, I don't know, I'll have to read
the thing first.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Yeah, that's that's kind of where I'd rather where it
is now. I guess I'd rather it is now, regardless
of what he may man have said, because he's definitely
enough a piece of shit to have said that. Like,
at least it's with James now, we don't have to worry.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
So it was, you know, I bring it up just
because it's a little bit of like, hey, let's get
angry about a thing that was a thing in twenty
twenty two and might have been a thing back then,
but isn't you know, isn't a thing anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
We do have less rotten fish to fry.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
At the moment. Yeah, yeah, so, and I guess technically
I should have lowered that story into the into the
new segment, much like WBT, we were shifting over to DCT. Yes,
it's the same exact segment. I'm just calling it something
differently because it's not WBT. Damn it. This is dc Studio.

(01:58:49):
It should be DCT.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
I'm doing stereo.

Speaker 4 (01:58:58):
R.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Yours is a little more concise, screepy co. This is
a little more it's a little more trunk canned. All right,
only twenty five pages more, nam kidding you. I don't know,
I don't know where we are. Oh we're on page
Oh my god, seventeen of thirty Oh Michelle again. All right. So,

(01:59:26):
in an interview, Gun teased that the main character quote
unquote of the DCU will be someone other than Superman,
and not a character that most fans would guess. He
also uh he couldn't resist piercing the veil of secrecy
with a tease about just who is the centerpiece of
the DCU. He says, let's see this is with screen

(01:59:48):
rants ash Cross Crusanne, I think is how this said
her name. She asked about a popular fan theory that
Crypto is gonna be like the Nick Fury of the
d CU, just kind of like hanging around in all
the different things.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Yeah, I think I said I wanted every singer to
be a Crypto, just jumping to the next movie.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Yeah. Gun debunked that idea. He did toss out the
teaser that there is an unexpected character who will emerge
as the connective focal point of the franchise. He says,
I don't think it's Crypto's stories. I do I know
whose story it is, and it probably isn't anyone anyone,
anyone than anyone would ever expect. And when him saying

(02:00:29):
that I'm gonna go Jimmy, I'm gonna be mad if
a Steve Lombard.

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Uh Maybe I mean when you say no one will
expect like maybe Jimmy, that gets you into a whole
category where you're kind of guessing for guessing sake. But
mm I do think it would be a little weird
even if he could pull it off, And I definitely
think he could to do another franchise, and a bigger one,
this time based on telling the story of kind of

(02:00:57):
an anthropomorphized thing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
We would just be looking back like, oh, yeah, yeah,
there's that time when he spent fifteen years on the
raccoon and then the dog.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
Yeah, yeah, can go with that it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
I mean, I mean, he's gonna use a human.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
I wouldn't be shocked if it was Peacemaker.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
No, no, yeah, that wouldn't shock me entirely. My gut
tells me that someone that he hasn't we haven't seen yet.
I don't know why, because he was talking about it
like the whole universe.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Right, Yeah, it might be Abbadeo okay.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Easily, Yeah, but he I mean, yeah, definitely could be here.
But he's talking about like several films from now. I
just it could be somebody that we're just about to
get to know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
I'm not sure, he said. He confirmed that there is
a through line to the first art Gods and Monsters
and that, yeah, the character who is that in that
through line is someone we've already met. He also confirmed
that this through line is leading to a major franchise event,
and it's not what anyone thinks. It's not what anyone
would guess. But I think that if people watch the
next season of Peacemaker, they'll see where a lot of

(02:01:59):
these things are going and have a little bit more
of a sense of maybe that can happen, or maybe
what can happen. So, yeah, I don't know, man, I
don't know. It might be Waller easily.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
Yeah, well that might be expected. It's it's the part
about no one's gonna expect. He didn't say no one,
He said most people won't expect something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Something.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna hung up on it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
It's not what anyone would guess.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Yeah, that is your weird phrasing for me. Yeah, I'm
gonna hung up on that for a while. Let's move on.

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
Your three superhero moments James Gunn never wants to see again.
He says, there are three things I don't ever want
to see again in a superhero movie. I don't need
to see the pearls in the back alley with Batman's
parents are killed. I don't need to see the radioactive
spider biting Spider Man. And I don't need to see
baby Kalel coming from Krypton and a little baby Rocket.
We have watched a million movies with characters who don't

(02:02:58):
have their upbringing, explained why when we see good Night
and good Luck, we don't need to know the early
life of Edward R. Murrow to explain how he became
a journalist who cares.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Those are three great instincts. I think now we've discussed
the pearls many times. I don't think we've ever signed
the spider bite.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
But yeah, yeah. He was talking to Deadline on the
red carpet for the Superman event and he was asked
about d c's Trinity coming together in the rebooted continuity,
and he said he definitely wants Uh, it's definitely something
he wants to do. He says, of course, yeah, but
not in the next movie. You have to remember that

(02:03:42):
all the stuff is talks in my head. So there's
a lot of chatter in my head that does a
lot of things. But the DCU is chatter in my head,
not talks. So yeah, yeah, now I'm kind of starting
to worry about him.

Speaker 1 (02:03:56):
That is a shower tile Man just yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Man Over on Horowitz's Happy, Sad, Confused podcast, he was
asked if he had gotten into casting for Batman in
his head Gun said no, and then Horrorwitz asked what
Gun thinks when fans mentioned someone like Alan Richson for
the role, and Gun says, I am a big Alan
Richson fan, both as an actor and as a guy.

(02:04:22):
I and you could tell he says he wants to
say something, but then he goes, let's just see what
Let's just wait and see what happens. Yeah, yeah, dude,
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
I really will take that. That makes me feel like
he's on the short list.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
Yeah, yeah, in his head.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
May have gotten out of his head.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Mm hmmm. He was asked if he thinks he was
asked if he thinks about trying to differentiate this Batman
from previous versions, and he was like, oh, yeah, of course.
And uh, he says, listen, I do I ever think
about it. Sure, there's people out there I think about.
But let's see where the script comes in. Uh, it's

(02:05:01):
not the furthest thing along. I mean, we have things
that are much much further along. But he did. He
did say that they probably won't put out the DCU
Batman in the same calendar year as the Batman Part two.
He said, probably not the same calendar year, just to
keep the confusion at a minimum. Yeah, Josh actually asked

(02:05:26):
him though he'said, well, Batman show up before braving the Bold.
Gun look like he wanted to say something and then
he's like, I'm not gonna say that. He actually looked annoyed.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
Why would you even ask that?

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
That's that's out of bounds and you know it, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
Yeah, And like Josh is like everything he's asking him,
like the Gun doesn't want to answer. He's just laughing
the whole time, like, all right, I got you. He
knows what he's doing. He did say as for Flash
and Aquaman, Gun said it would probably be at least
two years before we get to see the new iterations
of those characters. I've seen some people having a real

(02:06:11):
problem with that. Uh did you watch the Flash or
Aquaman too? Like you need some time to get the
taste out of your mouth, even if you liked the
second Aquaman, Like you want to wait and get that
out of your mouth. Like just the we know that
Momoa is not Aquaman. They're gonna do something different. The

(02:06:31):
Flash definitely was not received. Well, they're gonna wait a
minute on that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
Man, he let some stuff just breathe long enough over on.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
I think it was thread. Shambo in nineteen seventy seven says,
never forget that a very comic, accurate Batman costume was
filmed but not used. It is possible to put Batman
in the gray and blue and not have it look bad.
This is the way at James Gun, And it's a
picture of the Michael Keaton Batman suit that was, you know,

(02:06:59):
just kind of chilling on a dummy or a stand
or something in the background of in the flash in
the bat Cave. And Gun responded, I don't know, looked
good on a stand in the background, but I'm not sure.
I believe Batman spent countless hours carving obliques into his costume.
Now you you agree with this, you agree with Gun, right?

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
I think in theory, I mean I also see that
as a you know, shoot from the hip take that
like kind of like the I don't want to kind
of like how you didn't want to really focus on
Batman in the Creature Commando's thing. Mm hmm, Like yeah,
I don't know, this is what I'm feeling right now,
Like to me, like how they pitched the idea of
like the shorts or they were going to go outside

(02:07:44):
they he really wanted to go to the outside, but
he had to justify it. Yeah, it's just that stage.
But I get the idea that the instinct is a
ground his version of a grounded Superman or a Batman.
Wouldn't just spend a lot of time focusing on something
that might be seen as vanity feature.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
I think, like in my head, like it was a
strange response from gun to me because the guy was
talking about he's just talking about doing the classic Batman
in the gray and blue, and how and how he
thought it looked good, and you know, it does. Like
I agree with Gun on, like, I think it does
look good in the background on a stand, But you're

(02:08:23):
gonna have to sell me on Batman in the blue
and gray in live action because what they did show
us of that and the flash did not look good
to me, Like, I don't like that athletic costume where
he's riding around in the blue and gray a blue Yeah,
I didn't like that. I didn't think it looked good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Now that was daytime, though, I think I would really
like it at night. If you can maybe somehow give
me a version where I can kind of see it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
That's the thing is like, dude, like my Batman before,
like even Batman the animan series. My first Batman comic
was an old Norm Brafo comic. And that's blue and
gray all day.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
Like I'm dressed in blue and gray. Yeah, nine of
the time I walk out of this house. Yeah, like
it's it's a color combo. I'm find I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:12):
The blue of the gray, the yellow, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
I just like blue, black, gray, whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:09:16):
I don't know. I don't know. I just got to
be sold on it now. I thought it was funny
that Gun though, like and this was with this is
something we've like a little bit of a theme in
this episode. Gun has a lot of weird little hang ups,
like like come on, man, And of course he's not
gonna be the spending countless hours carving obliques. He would

(02:09:37):
do like a body cast and then he'd put it
in some kind of fucking super science lex luthor uh
you know, uh, bulletproof flame retardant costume or something. But
what I've always thought the would be a great excuse
for the muscles and the suits in live action would
be like the thing that Grant Morrison did so well

(02:10:00):
in JLA, which was there was this idea that Batman
was more of a of an urban myth than he
was just like some dude in a bunch of armor,
Like there were people like they even joke about, like
in certain parts of the Cannon, like criminals don't even
think the guy that's in the Justice League is the

(02:10:21):
real Batman. They think it's just a dude pretending to
be a Batman, and like the real Batman is in
Gotham and he's a fucking cryptid or something. So I
like this idea. I like the idea of like Bruce
being like, I don't us lean into the you know,
the superstitious, cowardly lot bit, at least you know, in

(02:10:42):
the first few years. And yeah, I'm gonna show him
like it's gonna look like skin. They're gonna shoot me
and it's not gonna hurt me, but they're gonna see
those fucking muscles, buddy, And I'm gonna have these giant
leathery bat wings draped over me. And in the dark,
you're not gonna know whether or I'm a person or
if I'm some kind of justice scrypted. And I dig

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that idea a lot like it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:09):
That is a cool idea. The I see His comment though,
is like a it's like more focused on like the
just the time and resource man part. So like it
he can supercise, so he can superscience this suit to
look a certain way to kind of justice. Crypt it
crypt it it up grow his big foot myth but.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
Like that but to im.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
Yeah, yeah, but like but like to have the supercience
at hand to do so, you have to spend all
the time on the superscience. So to save the time
on the actual you know, design, you have to have
done the groundwork somewhere. And I don't know what he's
gonna do with the groundwork. And I don't know if
gun would be thinking this way, because I'm I might be,
and I'm I was thinking that might be where he's
had done is like, okay, well I've only got X

(02:11:55):
amount of years before, so what's uh like this Superman's
thirty right.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
Thirty three?

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
Right, so we were straight Jesus age. Everyone's perfect though
everyone should go thirty or thirty three. It's the perfect
age for this story.

Speaker 2 (02:12:07):
But it I mean, Frank Miller has that whole bit
about how he mourned when he hit thirty three because
he realized he was older than Batman.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
Yeah, yeah, but that's my point. So this Batman is
probably gonna be around the samengine, right, But that means
that I feel like gun is probably the kind of
person who's gonna be thinking, well, all right, So that
means I've really got like, what twenty years worth of
time since he makes the pledge to really play with him,
only only got like ten years worth of time where
he was like an adultish thing that was really adult

(02:12:36):
brain training for this moment, and then really really only
you know how long has he been actively Batman, because
then we're out of the training phase and then we're
into the doing phase where he's actually So I've only
got so many years that this guy was getting so
many PhDs. Yeah, clearly other people are capable. We got
mister terrific that's going to have what the actor said,
he had an aptitude for aptitudes. I love the framing.

(02:13:00):
See I don't Yeah, I just I don't know where
he's gonna put all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:13:02):
I don't know that Bruce would be getting PhDs. Bruce
can't let people know that he's actually smart.

Speaker 1 (02:13:07):
Oh no, I don't mean actually getting him. I mean
at home PhD in himself for sure. Uh, but you know,
we're not that Phoenix College.

Speaker 2 (02:13:15):
It is one of those things where I'm like, what
we're You know, Gun is interesting because he says stuff like,
oh I need to know why the why the glasses work. Okay,
I need a real reason for the for the underwear. Okay, cool,
that's fine. And then you're like, so how did Lex
get to Oh, he's just super rich. But he's he's

(02:13:37):
so rich that he could just create like magic super
science that transports them to other dementias. Uh huh okay, right,
so I'm going but then he's gonna be like, well,
I don't. I don't think Bruce's gonna sit down there
and carve obliques into his costume. Okay? Uh? Is Bruce
also just like unlimited wealth rich? I maybe I'm just leaving.

(02:14:00):
I don't know where a Gun is going to draw
the line.

Speaker 1 (02:14:05):
No, No, I don't either, And I think he's developing
that one, especially that Batman right now. Yeah, I didn't.
I feel like this is probably the case right now though,
that there's probably a percentage, you know, of Baked that
the idea of Batman is in Gun's brain. What are
those those thoughts that he was talking about where those are,
where the talks are. But I feel like there's a

(02:14:27):
percentage of that that's probably in hand. But like Batman's
not even fully baked in there.

Speaker 2 (02:14:32):
Yeah we're not.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
We're just not getting the full story whatever's making it
outside right now, I don't feel like is all that permanent?

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
Yeah, it might not be. I just man, I want
to sit down and talk to Gun now, like very
much in a way that like, you know, like I
always said on the show, I don't ever want to
fucking talk to Zack Snyder. And it's not because I
don't think he's a good guy or something. I just
feel like i'd be out of my depth because like
he's into shit that I'm not into. Like he's gonna
start talking about fucking Excelsior or some shit or Caliber

(02:15:00):
or wherever the fuck it was, and he's gonna talk
about some you know, you know, some Catholic shit because
he keeps mention of that stuff, and I'm like, that's fun.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
I just wanted to talk about nineties rock, like right,
but like sitting down with like no, I think I
can mostly keep up. Let's do that.

Speaker 2 (02:15:16):
But I'm like over here, like can I be a
part of the bank of the brain trust, Like can
I hang out with you and Tom King and fucking
True Goddard and like if you guys can't come up
with something and you're like, oh, I don't really see this,
can I be like the tie breaker? Can I be
like yeah, no, fucking he's doing a body cast. He
does a body cast and has the ship mass produced
under a shell company and has his uniforms like shipped
in and yeah, like I want to do that. I

(02:15:38):
want to, like because I don't want to explain why
Bruce Wayne has so much fucking money, just like they
didn't with Lex. I'm like, no, well, no, he's just
super rich. That's just the thing. It's a given. Fuck it, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
They're just rich people. We don't have to go with
the whole thing, you know what I mean. Even like
even over Marvel, like first movie, when they where they
explain all Tony Stark, it's just a series of newspapers
being thrown on the screen. It takes about seventy seconds maybe,
and it's over. Yeah, and he's rich, and we got it,
and we're moving on. There's several rich people now actually,
as a result of that little montage.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
Yeah, but you know what, I would even be okay
because like in the old Golden Age comics, like you
just see Bruce standing there in like a science like
a like a a science vest and he's like doing
like chemicals and shit, and he's just he he created
most of the shit we see in the Batcave. He's
just a smart ass fucking dude. Like they could do

(02:16:31):
like what they did in Fantastic four, where it's just like, yeah,
Gotham's starting to come up because Bruce is just devoting
like a ton of money to research. Bruce is like
creating stuff, doing like Tony Stark shit in the city,
and everyone's like, oh yeah, he's he's this cool dude.
And some say he likes the ladies a little much.
But when would he have time? All Right, he acts

(02:16:53):
like he's doing all this shit, you know, during the night,
but he ain't. You know, like what you don't have
to have him be a complete dullard?

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
No, and alside, well, and I don't know that we're
necessarily gonna have him do any of the Playboy stuff either.
Has I don't think guns said that he's necessarily gonna
You don't have we don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
We don't know anything about what he's the Gun is doing.

Speaker 1 (02:17:13):
Not at all. But there are versions of Bruce that
are just a little bit a little bit homebody, just
like versions of him that like everyone's like, oh, it's
a very nice guy. But I don't really know much
about him. He doesn't date much, you know, he just
doesn't get out very much. But I've seen my charity events.
He's he's very nice. He's just kind of an enigma,
but not really all that interesting of one, which is,
in my opinion, one of the one of the best

(02:17:35):
costumes you can put on.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
M I mean, it seems like too that they're.

Speaker 1 (02:17:39):
Very boring, but he cuts everyone's a lot of checks
and he's very nice.

Speaker 2 (02:17:42):
If they're doing the thing that they've seemed to hint at,
which is you know, it said The Brave of the
Ball was going to be more focused on him and Damien. Yeah,
but if if that's true, then we're gonna and He's
Gun has said we're doing the Bat family. There's gonna
be Bat family around. We're gonna be in a world
where Bruce may be a little older, but he's able

(02:18:02):
to go to these like he's able to go to
functions and stuff and be Bruce Wayne because he's got
like fifteen fucking children out here. Yes, like's stalking the
night Uh, he's got a night Wing, he's got an oracle,
he's got whoever, who knows who's got Uh. I'm excited
about Batman, Like there's so many things, Like we've never

(02:18:23):
seen bat family proper in any way in like we've
seen Dick in the Schumacher films. That's it, That's really it.
We've gotten a taste of it in Titans. But those dudes,
like as much as I enjoyed Titans at times, I
mean to have like an elderly Bruce and some Titans see.

Speaker 1 (02:18:41):
Dick's costume in the other one of the universe. But
it's one of those things where like it's another one
of the exact things we're talking about before I can
get very excited about the point of that in that
universe is very cool and very exciting. Would I have
done that? No, outright, no, I would not order that
off the side menu.

Speaker 2 (02:18:58):
Yeah, yeah, old old you know Scottish Batman and angry
Dick Grace and screaming the fuck Batman.

Speaker 3 (02:19:10):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:10):
Nah, that wouldn't have been my first choice. They did
some cool things in Titans, and I was glad to
have seen most of those things. I still need to
finish the last season of Titans, but that might actually
be a solid point as well. Like I did not
feel compelled to finish that series. I got a little
tired of it, and I moved on and then forgot
what happened, and I forget where that means. Oh, I'll

(02:19:31):
tell you what happened. They mentioned brother Blood. They mentioned
brother Blood, and my brain checked out. I know.

Speaker 1 (02:19:37):
But when I tell you I made it through it
and it was worth it, you should I should be like, oh, okay, okay,
all right, because you know, you know how I feel
about the brother Blood.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
Yeah, yeah, I know we don't. Neither one of us
like brother Blood. Yeah no, but I think we don't
like it just because of Aero.

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
I it didn't help. But no, I've never been a fan. Yeah,
I'm not a huge fan of in general, of that
kind of thing. And I think there's imagery of there's
satanic panic kind of imagery when they do burther blood
kind of stuff that is like a point of a
deep you know, therapy needing boar and aversion to me,

(02:20:14):
I don't have any interest in it on any level.
And then on top of that, it's just cults. Yeah, okay, yeah,
it's cults can be a lot of fun. Sometimes they
they do actively disinterest me.

Speaker 2 (02:20:27):
Yeah, sometimes, I don't know. I was pretty glued to
the news with that Nexium ship in real life. Yeah
the hell was this real real life?

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
When they're a little bit cults and they're sadly more compelling,
that's not great.

Speaker 2 (02:20:42):
Yeah. Plus brother Brother Blood came came around the time
of the Mirakuru Soldiers and all of that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:48):
Yeah, it's just that was that was a that was
a time. That was a time and Titan same thing.
It had its moments where there's there's a couple of
things up. I could have done without that, that carnival
death and stuff, but like it, they got it. It
was worth finishing. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna tell

(02:21:09):
you it's worth finishing.

Speaker 2 (02:21:10):
Okay, Well, I still I still need to finish Doom
Patrol too, and I love doing the other part.

Speaker 1 (02:21:15):
I need you to the whole university you get through, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:21:18):
I love doing patrol.

Speaker 1 (02:21:19):
Not that one's contingent, but still yeah, No.

Speaker 2 (02:21:21):
There are two different universes in fact, but Doom Patrol
was dude, like I do. That's another reason I want
to talk to James Gunn. I want to be like, please, dude, Doom.

Speaker 1 (02:21:30):
Patrol needs to be You saw this one, right, you
know how good?

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
And he's gonna be like, well, you know if I
do this, Jeff John's is back and I'm like, okay,
I find fine, just forget it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
So they're gun while I have your ear, Like, I
just want to get him drunk at lunch and be
like how much can we expand? Like can one of
those peacemaker doors be to like wherever resident Alien lives
because that's free right now? Can you save that? How
big you want to make this this net?

Speaker 2 (02:21:56):
Dude? Yeah? Can we do a live action Batmans Scooby
do crossover? They keep doing a in animation.

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
Yeah, you know how good Alan is.

Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
Yeah, and you've made two Scooby Doo movies. Yeah, and
they were good. Yeah, all right. It's being reported according
to Well, I've seen a bunch all over the place,
but Batman, Gotham's dark detective on Threads says to James Gunn.
It is being reported by Variety that WB is pushing
for a lot of things. Following the success of Superman.

(02:22:27):
I was under the impression that WB doesn't have the
creative control of DC Studios, but that you and Peter
do with WB just the distributor. Basically, what is actually
or what is truly the case? And Gun says WB
Pictures has no creative control over DC Studios. But I
haven't had anyone pushing me for anything other than the

(02:22:47):
hunger for more DC projects that has existed since I've
been there. So I don't know what you're referring to.

Speaker 1 (02:22:54):
I'm what I'm reading from that. No, it's in the contract.
We've talked about this several times. There's no reason for
them to have any control they Again, we've gone over
that contractually as well, and right now everything is going
very well. So no one's really down my throat. Why
are you even bothering with that question? I'm very confused.

Speaker 2 (02:23:12):
Well, I think he's bothering with it the same reason
I am, like, it's worth to keep reiterating because these
variety of all things, fucking variety, it's coming out saying
w B is pushing Gun to do all this stuff,
and people are like, oh, yeah, here we go. It's
gonna happen. No, man, this is this is a different beast.

(02:23:32):
There's a different beast. This isn't Snyder getting railroaded.

Speaker 1 (02:23:36):
Yeah, I know, I mean it. There are a lot
more mechanisms than have ever been in place. I would
also deeply suspect that railroading will eventually happen, because railroading
just is one of life's inevitabilities. It's dark side, is
you know. But like, I think there's enough protection in
place at the very least that even in my most

(02:23:56):
cynical view of events, it's not time for it yet.

Speaker 2 (02:24:00):
Guys. Yeah, I don't think it's time for Look, I mean,
it'll get it. It'll start getting a little iffy around time.

Speaker 1 (02:24:05):
Not after those goddamn memories you covered early in this podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:24:08):
No, as long as the numbers are good the next
if he wants to re up on that contract, yeah,
I think he'll be all right. Yeah. But if, if,
and when there is railroading, it will be around the
time that contracts are about to be re upped, and
which is we'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:24:29):
I need to look up when that.

Speaker 2 (02:24:30):
Is, which, you know, and that's if Gun still wants
to keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:24:35):
Well, yeah, because he's talked about how like, you know,
he's come and they have come to the point now
where you know, his wife, she's not completely happy with
how much time he spends doing this instead of hanging
out with her.

Speaker 1 (02:24:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, so I'll have to find a little balance.

Speaker 2 (02:24:49):
There's going to have to be more balanced for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:24:51):
Yeah, right now, you know, for his sake, you got
to hope you're I assume his plan is like, no, no,
this is the foundational period and then we'll be able
to kind of manage a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:24:58):
And that has what he said. Yeah, he's like, we
had to jump start this thing, get this thing back
on the ground.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
You got to put everything into it for a little while,
make sure the base is right and the mm hmm.
Hopefully you can transition to other stuff. But you can
clearly see that's the plan. That's what's in place. We
hope it goes well. These things go well, sometimes they
go badly other times.

Speaker 2 (02:25:18):
And this was an interesting thing and I haven't seen
a lot of people talking about it. To help HiPE
the release of Superman, Gun was doing a little interview
conversation with Godzilla Minus one's Taka she Yamazaki, and Gun says,
I'm a big fan of Godzilla minus one is such
a beautiful film. I think that seeing movie makers who

(02:25:42):
were able to make spectacle films like that that are
true to the nature of what a Godzilla movie is.
It's not making fun of Godzilla movies. Is truly loves
them and it has that human element to it. It's
about people and human beings first and foremost. It's one
of my favorite movies of the past few years. So
thank you, and he says, I think that Godzilla Minus
one is so beautiful. As so many things, it's a

(02:26:03):
revolutionary film. One of the things I'm troubled by in
the film industry is that people make what is considered
artsy movies that are good, and people make commercial movies
with popular characters and they're just shoveled out there. The
filmmakers don't seem to create them with love. So the
first thing I look for in these movies, is there
a creator behind this film that is doing it with love?

(02:26:24):
Do they care about the movie themselves or are they
just doing it to make money? And then, to cap
off the discussion, he invited Yamazaki to come and visit
him at DC Studios, planting the seeds for later for
the latter to potentially join his new comic book universe
on the biggest screen. Please come to DC Studios. We'll

(02:26:45):
make sure to figure something out. You can come by
and see DC Studios and I'll show you the original
Superman costume that's in my office. An that is interesting
because Godzilla Minus one was critically a and it sounds
like he's asking himazaki to like come hang out. They'll

(02:27:07):
figure out something for him to do. Okay, that's what
it feels like. He's saying, like yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
He's let's just get you in here and we'll we'll
we'll get it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
Sort So he's like sucking his dick. He's like, dude,
I don't know you care about all this shit, and
like you made such an artsy film. You did something
so great that you cared about, Like we need that
at DC Studios. Yeah, And I think it's a good call, dude,
Like you know, I don't. I don't watch Godzilla movies.
I've seen like two or three of them and they
bore the funk out of me. But I have been
very tempted to watch Minus one.

Speaker 1 (02:27:37):
I have Minus One's reaction alone. I'm pretty sure it
was that one, because there were there have been a
couple recently that have had such a good reaction. I
think Ryan was maybe I was talking to me about
this last but I think by name there were a
couple that were so such a good reaction. I was like, God,
maybe I should catch up on that. And minus one
was I've I hadn't thought about that in a while,

(02:27:58):
the whole God'zilli universe, so I can't. I think I
kind of meant to go down that rabbit hole like
a year ago and forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (02:28:04):
Yeah, that's quite a rabbit hole, it is. There's a
lot of power rangers looking shit in that rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (02:28:09):
I was looking for a rabbit hole at the time.

Speaker 2 (02:28:11):
It has. I mean, I'm not I'm not coming out
against you or anything, you know, I'm just saying I
ended up in that as a rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (02:28:18):
Man tattooing instead for a little while.

Speaker 2 (02:28:20):
But yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, that'll happen too. That
will absolutely happen. Uh So, he responded to a few
fans on threads. He has said that one woman is
a priority. We've talked about that. People have asked if
it was being fast tracked into production. He says, I
wouldn't call it fast tracked. Nothing is going to be

(02:28:43):
shot unless we're as sure as we can get that
script is going to be good. You know, unless, sorry,
unless we're as sure as we can be that the
script is good. Jesus Christ, like my brain died almost three.

Speaker 1 (02:28:55):
Hours hours into this.

Speaker 2 (02:28:57):
Yeah. Yeah. He was asked by a fan if it
was true the DC Studios was looking to cast the
role with an actor who had a TV centric resume.
He said, nope, and I'd never in a million years
look for a major role based on whether or not
they did TV films or whatever. It's all about the casting.

(02:29:17):
I didn't cast Milly because of her past, but because
she was the best one for the role. But we're
not We're also not casting wonder Woman nor even discussing
it until a script is finished now. In an interview,
he did admit that, you know, because people were like, hey,
you you followed Adria or Jona, and he was like,

(02:29:37):
you know, yeah, well she would make a great wonder Woman,
but we're not actively casting the role. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29:44):
He's also been very adamant lately it's like, just because
I follow somebody. It doesn't mean that they're going to
be in DC. Jesus, that just that he was a
social Yeah. Now, Josh Horror was asked if DC is
anywhere on the Wonder Woman's script, Gun said yes. And
when I asked if the Wonder Woman movie felt it
feels distinct from what fans have seen in the Gagador

(02:30:08):
Gagado films, Gun said very yes. I'm excited about Wonder
Woman right now. And uh, you know, the rap came
out and said, oh, you know, and you know the
rap we don't fucking trust them and fucking Gonzales or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:30:23):
There used to be a time.

Speaker 2 (02:30:24):
Uh yeah, but uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:30:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
Anyway, the rap said that it was being written by
Anna Nogura, who pinned Supergirl and the upcoming Teen Titans film,
and Gun was like, that's absolutely true, that's absolutely true.

Speaker 1 (02:30:44):
There are moments, especially with he's just been in front
of the camera for weeks, a couple of moments where
something's been brought up and his reaction has almost been like,
I'm was glad you brought that up. I had I
meant to bring the uh I forgot about that one. Yes,
that's really well and I should have mentioned that today Ago, thanks. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (02:31:04):
He was also talking about, uh, my brain is gone.
It was an interview with payer Weight and a Gun
responded to a direct question about bringing Nubia into the
franchise and uh, do you know who that character is?

Speaker 1 (02:31:22):
I only vaguely.

Speaker 2 (02:31:23):
Okay, So with the prequel series Paradise Loss that a
new Wonder Woman film coming, is very likely Nubia will
be there anyway, And he said, yes, we are very
much talking about that. I want to have all sorts
of people represented in the DCU, and you might be
happy in the not too distant future now. Nubia in
the comics was introduced in nineteen seventy three Wonder Woman

(02:31:49):
two four. Her origin is presented as Diana's long lost
twin sister, sculpted from black clay by Queen Hippolyta at
the same moment she formed Diana from white clay. In
this initial story of Nubia was stolen at birth by Aries,
the god of War, who raised her to be his
ultimate champion. She eventually returned with Themiscira to challenge Diana
for the title of Wonder Woman, proving to be her

(02:32:12):
equal in strength and speed and combat prowess. And then
her appearances were mostly sporadic, and then her continity was
often rebooted or ignored, and she enjoyed a modern resurgence
during the Infinite Frontier era. And she's no longer Diana's twin,

(02:32:33):
but an ancient Amazon who was the very first to
bear the title of Wonder Woman, long before Diana was
even born.

Speaker 1 (02:32:40):
So they have shuffled his name around a good bit, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:32:43):
And then after a long absence from Temiscira, she returns
to a fractured home and, following the death of Hippolyta,
ascends to the throne to become the new Queen of
the Amazons. So, I don't know. It's a powerful black hero.
Maybe she was Wonder Woman, maybe she wasn't sometime, like
it depends on the cannon you're looking at. I think
at some point she's always Wonder Woman somewhere like sometimes

(02:33:05):
like most of the time, Diana's Wonder Woman. Sometimes Nubia
takes over, and then sometimes this artimist that takes over
as Wonder Woman from time to time when Diana can't
do it or she's dead or whatever bullshit thing happened.
Events series happen. Yeah, but that is that is neat.
I you know, well I'm interested to see what they

(02:33:26):
do with all of this Amazonian stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33:29):
I just kind of realized as you're saying it, like
you never quite replace wonder Woman at you know, outright,
like she has she's she's you know, the child of
however many unique gifts from gods like.

Speaker 2 (02:33:42):
You can't well, you never replace any of them for real.

Speaker 1 (02:33:45):
Now, And what I'm saying like they all have their
own individual story of getting that crown separately. It's never
an outright swap. Yeah, I mean it's no Indiana Jones
sack of sand Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33:54):
No, I mean even that didn't work. Yeah, long term
a lesson to us all. You're still running from the boulder, right,
You're still running from the boulder. It's while like, yeah,
Brusce will dies sometimes and as Dick's do, Dick will
pop in and pop out. But no, you might have

(02:34:17):
an as bad situation for again for a couple of months,
you know, three months or so, right, Yeah, sometimes six
or seven years you get your Kyle Rayner, you know,
but eventually al Jordan returns. Yeah, for you know, good
or ill.

Speaker 1 (02:34:34):
Yeah, I think he's good for the character to have
some kind of Centralish area, that it bounces around him healthy,
it keeps the name bouncing around, keeps it fresh.

Speaker 2 (02:34:46):
Mm hmm. Now over on the Authority movie, which was
just I know, apparently he's still on Gun's mind. When
he was asked about it, he sighed and said, yeah,
but that's been a rough road, and then he said
he moved the writer onto another project in the DCU
that I think he's really killing right now. So okay, well, shit.

Speaker 1 (02:35:10):
They get tracks with what we were thinking before about
it kind of getting morphed into this and.

Speaker 2 (02:35:15):
Then swamp Thing. He was asked about James Mangold Swamp
Thing movie. He said, we talked to James the other day. No,
he has not delivered a script. He's been distracted with
his billions of movies. But we're talking about it again.
What is okay? Okay? Yeah, so there It just kind

(02:35:37):
of got ignored for a minute because man Gold was busy.
I mean yeah, and now he's back for a minute
and they're talking about it again. Waller is still in development.
A fan asked Gun if rumors about the Wall Show
being reworked into a Checkmate show, where false Gun offered
an unambiguous one word reply yes and uh. Another fan
pressed for more clarity and they said, so Waller is

(02:36:00):
still in development, and Gun said, yes, Okay, Well, I
mean I was gonna I.

Speaker 1 (02:36:07):
Was gonna will literally mark the time and day.

Speaker 2 (02:36:09):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you you know, you can't
ask for more, but you can, you really can.

Speaker 1 (02:36:14):
I mean you can. Yeah, I can ask for a
follow it, but at the moment, you know, shit, it's
just not ready.

Speaker 2 (02:36:19):
And Creature Commando season two will have a big change
for the show. Second season. Gun will not be returning
to write for the series. It's gonna have a writer's
room because, as we just talked about, missus, James Gunn
has been like, no, we're not doing this. We're not
doing this anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:36:38):
You need you need to rest some There's I think
there's like one story where he was basically on vacation
with a laptop. Still It's like, damn it man.

Speaker 2 (02:36:46):
Uh huh uh huh. Gun was also asked about Sergeant Rock,
which was a movie that seemed like it was very
close to happening with Daniel Craig, and then Horowitz said
asked Gun if he hopes that it's going to come
back around relatively soon, and Gun said hugely. Yeah, I'm
really excited about Sergeant Rock. And then he did confirm

(02:37:09):
that Luca, the previous director, is no longer involved, so
the Gun is excited about it. So Sergeant Rock is
still a thing. Okay, now this is interesting and this
has not been pitched to the Gun or anybody at BC,
but this made the rounds. Zach Krager a director who

(02:37:30):
did Barbarian, and he did this movie Weapons that just
came out or is about to come out. He's kind
of blown up and he leveraged the success of Barbarian
into making weapons. I don't know if you've seen anything
about it. It's like a bunch of kids start going
missing and they're just walking out of their houses at
like two am. It looks looks kind of crazy. He

(02:37:50):
looks a little creepy.

Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
I have not seen anything. I was honestly just kind
of waiting patiently for you to say anything I recognized,
but so far I was coming up dry.

Speaker 2 (02:37:57):
Oh you don't know Barbarian, No, I don't think so. Okay.
So you remember the girl that played lighta Zod in Krypton. Yes, okay,
So there was a movie where she like goes to
this house, and underneath the house is like fucking catacombs
some dude has like built and there's like a monster
down there that's like imbrit creature. It's really fucked a movie.

(02:38:19):
It's just is I don't even know if I say
I liked the movie, but I watched it and it
stayed with me, so.

Speaker 1 (02:38:30):
Oh, I mean that's probably good. Did not catch that
one all right?

Speaker 2 (02:38:33):
So that one was a big success on streaming, gotcha
at the very least it was twenty twenty two. And
uh but interestingly, oh yeah, new Line Centima bait by
the way, like no, sorry, not new Line. New Line
did weapons. Sou Sony just handed him the keys to
fucking Evil Resident Evil. So he's rebooting the Resident Evil

(02:38:57):
universe over there.

Speaker 1 (02:39:00):
That should be called resetting for specifically games Centric. I
like it, franchises, I like it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:05):
But he did. There were some reports that came out
and then he admitted it there, so that you know
that Daniel RpK or whatever Daniel Rerightman character was trying
to say that, like, you know, he's got a thing
lined up at DC Studios. He does not, and he
as according to the reports, it was a joker in

(02:39:27):
Harley Quinn team up movie that and that's just not true.
But there was clarification from a different Scooper and then
like you can actually go back and find creditor talking
about it himself. But so the idea is that it's
not a Joker in Harley movie. This in development. It's
not development. He hasn't even pitched it, but it is

(02:39:48):
a story. It's his favorite thing that he's ever written.
Zach Klegger. It's his favorite thing he's written. He said,
it hasn't pitched it anywhere. The script does not even
star Joker in Harley. It is centered on a henchman.
This is something he did for fun. It likely won't
get made. The report said it's not in development of DC.
Do not get your hopes up, but Klegman did say
it was set in the world of Batman. There's a

(02:40:09):
script I wrote before Barbarian that takes place in Gotham City,
and I actually love it. I think it's my favorite
thing I've ever written, believe it or not. So I
don't know what's gonna happen with that. Nobody from Warner
Brothers of DC. I haven't talked to anybody about it.
I hope to one day. So yeah, that's like the
idea of having seen the trailer for Weapons and Barbarian,

(02:40:35):
I would love to see this guy actually get this
made I love this idea. This like small independent movie
idea of you introducing a henchman who is just trying
to manage his way through life as a henchman with
all of these fucking horror characters like Joker and two

(02:41:00):
Face and Clay Face and all of these people who
need henchman. And then you're just sitting there like looking
at these I don't know, claws and beaks and whatever
the fuck you're gonna get out of these Batman villains,
and like not only worrying about Justice Scryptid coming and
taking you to Arkham Asylum or to Blackgate Venoitentiary.

Speaker 1 (02:41:22):
Yeah, you're going to Arkham.

Speaker 2 (02:41:24):
You're yeah, also worried about I don't know, you might
have to you have to be crazy to deal with
some of these people.

Speaker 1 (02:41:31):
Yeah, but you unless you adopt a personality, you're not
getting in that prison system.

Speaker 2 (02:41:35):
Yeah, fingers crossed. Though h Arkham might have the pleading
insanity might actually be the bigger loss in Gotham. Yeah,
but just like this idea of just like dealing with
the horrors of Gotham City, Like, yeah, you might escape
the Joker for a minute, but then whoops, you stumbled
into fucking Cornelias Sturk's house and he's over here cooking

(02:41:57):
up some little girl he found in the back. Right,
Oh my god, did you get out of there, you know,
somewhat scathed, just in time to run into fucking Victor's ass. Like,
I don't know, I like that kind of notion. I'm
curious laid out that way.

Speaker 1 (02:42:17):
Basically, if you're in the underworld life, like if you've
entered the henchman lifestyle, that's if that's your resume, that's
your cv you're walking around with. Yeah, you every day
of life for you is no man's land. Yeah, there
are just territories and diplomacy and all of its life
or death and a bunch of stuff on the wall
that matters to you that doesn't matter to other people.

Speaker 2 (02:42:39):
And I mean, I'm not saying I had this guy's
idea or anything like that, but I have like thought
about it loosely over the years every once in a
while just been like, ah, what must it be like?
And that was like exacerbated.

Speaker 1 (02:42:49):
I try to be on the come up as a
ya as a fucking Hinterman around there, but.

Speaker 2 (02:42:53):
You know that notion for me was exacerbated a bit
when we were playing those Arkham games so much and
you would actually have the the Hinchman over there been like,
I don't know, I think Joker said this and this
and this. Shut the fuck up man. You don't want
to say that. He might hear you like. That's fun. Yeah,
And I hope this guy gets to make his Gotha movie,
his Hinchman movie. Uh Ba. Booster gold Man David Jenkins,

(02:43:16):
creator of Our Flag Means Death on HBO HBO Max.
He confirmed Wednesday's news he has been tapped to write
his show run.

Speaker 1 (02:43:28):
The Booster Gold Show It's Just Lovely.

Speaker 2 (02:43:31):
In a post on Instagram, he did say that he
is taking over the duties on Booster Gold from Danny McBride.
We've never like we had heard gun say they were waiting.
They were waiting for a while to see if they
could get it done with the showrunner who's been busy.

(02:43:51):
It looks like Danny McBride, it has. We didn't know
who it was. I am like, dude, I am so
happy Danny McBride is not the one running the show.
He's had a couple of a couple of projects that
I've been interested in lately.

Speaker 1 (02:44:07):
I don't know, I really I've watched an hour and
a half of Rogeris Shimpson's maybe two hours if that
premiere was long, and I really liked it, Like there's
there's it's a it's it's good, Like I know it's good.
I haven't gone around to finishing it, and they're really
getting in I haven't. I got distracted. I'll get back
to it. But that was really good, like for for

(02:44:28):
a pilot and a half. And by the way, the
pilot and a half, like the first two episodes, are
very very synchronized, like in a certain way it was
it's really too simultaneously done pilots in a lot of
way like it. There's a lot of good working here
that I did not know I was gonna find. I
didn't know I was going to be so damn curious,
and but but I am now. So I'm not deeply

(02:44:49):
surprised that there's something being considered, nor am I on
the other side of it. When when I say that,
I do feel little bit safer.

Speaker 2 (02:44:56):
M Well, yeah, that's the thing is like I've seen
the trailers for Vice Principles, and I've seen lots of
ads and clips of Righteous Gemstones, and I want to
watch both of those things. But before that, Danny McBride
was never someone that I actually, like, really liked seeing
like he never he always quite kind of just like

(02:45:18):
it's that like brand of will Will Ferrell humor that
I never quite attached to. Yeah, Like there's a line
where there's a bit where like Will Ferrell's funny and
then the stocks being funny, and then that's so unfunny
that it starts getting funny again. Yeah, But then there's
like a step beyond where it's just Danny McBride being
the most obnoxious motherfucker in the world. And that's a thing.

(02:45:41):
It's a thing, and I'm not sure I'm down with that.
I don't know. And it's just there's always like a
you know, the the Appatau crowd and the lonely Island people,
and there are these like clusters and Danny McBride finds
his way into all of them. Maybe it's because he's
a genius, and I just don't get it. I don't know,
I don't know. Uh. Mark Maron basically just you know,

(02:46:03):
said that I was a dullard for not liking Maria Bramford.
So he tried, he said, he doesn't want to say that,
you know, But I'm like, there are certain people I
just don't get into. I just don't like him as
far as what their work is, and I wish him
the best.

Speaker 1 (02:46:19):
Uh yeah, And I have a whole genres where I'm
just like, yeah, I'm sure that's just.

Speaker 2 (02:46:23):
Me, but.

Speaker 1 (02:46:25):
Yeah, I'm good without it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:27):
So but I'm very interested because of Dan because you know,
just because Danny McBride isn't funny to me as a
performer most of the time in other people's stuff doesn't
mean that he's not gonna make something and knock it
out of the part, you know what I mean, right
of course. So I don't know. Uh, I do feel
I think I agree with you. I feel safer with
Danny McBride having moved on from the Booster Gold project,

(02:46:52):
especially since it seems like he's plenty busy, so so
busy that he can't seem to do this show. But
it uh Dave Jenkins. David Jenkins says it is true
I'm writing a pilot about this lovable goofball. Honored to
work for James Gunn and very happy to inherit this
project from Danny McBride, two of my creative heroes. Mm

(02:47:12):
hmm and uh yeah. It was back in February, gun
and Saffron said that they were waiting on a particular
showrunner creator to helm the series, and they did not
say who it was, and then Saffron at the time said,
maybe he fell out of love, maybe he got busy,
but we had to pivot, and uh so, yeah, I
am very interested to see what happens because I've heard

(02:47:34):
very good things about our Flag Means Death, mostly from you. Yeah,
it was phenomenal and my sister Brittany. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:47:42):
So one of those shows where you crave the next
episode it happens. It happens, kind of like the way
we the way you and I have typically responded to
like the late uh not, I was going to say,
the late Ted Laard's episodes. What the I meant the
late era of the ones as of late what what

(02:48:04):
what not? Ted Williams, Ted Lawrence, I guess what's Ted Lawrence?

Speaker 2 (02:48:08):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (02:48:08):
I meant like the Bill Lawrence area oh, Bill.

Speaker 2 (02:48:11):
Lawrence, Oh okay, Crave shrinking and Ted Lasso Yeah yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:48:16):
Yeah, that sense of like actually being excited about it.

Speaker 2 (02:48:18):
Yeah yeah. There were a lot of things that were
just jacked up.

Speaker 1 (02:48:21):
About place and everything about that went wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:48:24):
The late Ted Lawrence. You know, it reminds me of
was like like twenty years ago or whatever it was,
back when uh, Kevin Smith was talking to Bruce tim
or somebody I can't remember who's talking to. We started
they were talking about Alan Burnette and Kevin goes, God
rest his soul. Yeah, and they're like, he's not dead though.

Speaker 1 (02:48:48):
You know, yeah, and I I don't know, I want
to put it that way, but yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (02:48:55):
Just became like a little ongoing bit. Uh yeah, that's
that's the Ted Lawrence. Who was Ted Lawrence? And why
is he late?

Speaker 3 (02:49:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:49:05):
You know Ted Lawrence. He died and we crave his episodes. No,
I don't, I.

Speaker 1 (02:49:09):
Don't even know who.

Speaker 2 (02:49:11):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:49:12):
I don't know where we got the Ted necessarily.

Speaker 2 (02:49:14):
Oh, probably probably from Sam Lloyd Ted from Scrubs.

Speaker 1 (02:49:19):
Who did die it that far Maybe I don't think
I'm if that well entirely.

Speaker 2 (02:49:25):
We can also go with Christa Miller's husband on Shrinking
is played by Ted McGinley.

Speaker 1 (02:49:32):
Yeah all that, Oh, that'd be purely subconscious and real time.
I just remember it, uh, completely discombobulating in.

Speaker 2 (02:49:41):
Front of me, or you could or Ted Lasso.

Speaker 1 (02:49:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's the most likely.

Speaker 2 (02:49:45):
That's probably the most likely.

Speaker 1 (02:49:46):
Yea, the closest to form probably.

Speaker 2 (02:49:50):
All right, so I kind of held back on this
one for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:49:55):
But Ky.

Speaker 2 (02:49:58):
During the Happy, Sad Confused podcast with Josh Horowitz, he
did ask about how it went with Cavil. Have you
heard about this? Do you know what this is? Gunn says,
the day we the day our deal closed. Terrible timing,
by the way, all of a sudden they were announcing
that Henry was back, and I'm like, what is going on?

(02:50:19):
We know what the plan is. The plan was to
come in and do Superman. So it was really unfair
to Henry. It was a total bomber. And he says,
you know, but it was a vacuum at d C
at that time, and a lot of people were I'm
trying to be diplomatic as diplomatic as possible. Yeah, other

(02:50:42):
people wanted to take on what they wanted to do
a d C and we're trying to force their way
in and it was just never part of the equation
for Warner Brothers. Just what a Brother's Discovery CEO David
Aslav He did say, you know, it was really unfortunate,
he said, Peter, he says, Peter and I decided the
right thing to do was to sit down with Henry

(02:51:02):
and talk to him. And we sat down and we
talked to him. He was an absolute gentleman, a great
guy about it. He said, the only thing I ask
is that I'm able to reveal it myself as opposed
to it coming from you guys. And uh, you know.
Josh asked if you know he would be open if
it would be too confusing for Henry to play another

(02:51:23):
character in the DC universe, and Gun said, I talked
to him about it on the day. On that day
we talked about it, he said, I would love to
put Henry in something, So I don't know. Gun seemed sad.

Speaker 1 (02:51:35):
Yeah, I've seen the clip. He looks genuinely uncomfortable about
the entire retelling.

Speaker 2 (02:51:42):
Yeah, but it's not. It doesn't come off like I
feel bad for a thing I did.

Speaker 1 (02:51:48):
No, No, he just didn't like that, like at that point.

Speaker 2 (02:51:52):
At that point, Henry had not been part of the
universe really for like six years or something stupid like.

Speaker 1 (02:51:59):
It been used as a bargaining ship unfortunately. And you know,
it's not a coincidence about the timing it got signed.
There was movement forward, there was a new plan, and
somebody's somebody's brain idea was to just pitch that out
there and hope their id just stuck and they'd ever
to go with it.

Speaker 2 (02:52:15):
But I mean, we know who it was.

Speaker 1 (02:52:18):
I forget which one was it.

Speaker 2 (02:52:20):
That was Walter Harmata, that's prey.

Speaker 3 (02:52:24):
It was him.

Speaker 2 (02:52:25):
No, no hold on Walter. The rock went to Walter Harmada.
Walter Hamada said no, the Rock went fuck you. And
he went to de Luca and abde and said, hey,
I want to put Henry in black Adam and I
want to announce him coming back like we won him back,

(02:52:46):
and Abdey and De Luca said yeah, we were were
down for that. So because they were the little interim
people in charge, and I think they thought that if
they announced Henry Cavill and tell yeah, go ahead and
get Henry. They had a handshake agreement with Henry Cavill

(02:53:07):
he showed up in Black Adam at the very end,
and they thought, oh, well, this is what's gonna happen,
and we're gonna he's gonna come back and everyone's gonna
be really excited, and David's as Lafe is gonna be like,
oh okay, yeah, of course you're You're just gonna keep
going with this, and the Luca and Abdey are gonna
be in charge because Walter Amada is leaving because you've
already canceled that girl and he's already said he's gonna

(02:53:30):
do that. He was gonna leave fine, but it just
didn't work like that, Like zad Slav was like, no,
we're not doing thatch.

Speaker 1 (02:53:36):
So de Luke and Abney are the well.

Speaker 2 (02:53:39):
It's the rock and de Luca and Abdeen.

Speaker 1 (02:53:41):
Yeah, all three of them really, I guess okay mm hmm.
Those are my mustache twirlers for the for the scene.

Speaker 2 (02:53:48):
I mean, you know, really the problematic character here is
the rock. DeLuca and Abdy. They were very pro DCEU.
They really liked Snyder. They really wanted to see where
that was gonna go. They wanted to be in charge,
and I think they wanted to like that they were
shooting their shot, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:54:07):
But that's why I've got them umped in is yeah,
I mean they were to blame. It sounds like they
all three were like, if we just dead pull this thing,
no one will be able to stop the momentum. And
Gun was like, no, that's not whatever at all, and
Zaz left kind of I didn't know, No, I didn't
arthor we just signed this giant contract with this guy.
Y'all can young chuck it up on that one fuck off?

(02:54:31):
And like yeah, like yeah, sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:54:33):
They he didn't know they were their deal was going
through on the day, Like on the day it went through,
freaking all of a sudden, there's an announcement that the
Cavel's coming back. Yeah that sucks, man.

Speaker 1 (02:54:46):
Yeah, I took a swing. It didn't work out all right.

Speaker 2 (02:54:50):
So Gun was talking to Din of a Geek and
they were talking about how, uh Jennifer Holland and Steve A.
G were in Uh, I guess Black Adam and what
was it? Was it black? Yeah? It was Black Adam
and Shazam Fury of the Gods, and uh, I guess

(02:55:11):
they were What was Jennifer was doing? Harcourt was running
a prison and underwater a prison and then for some reason,
Steve A. G And Harcourt were recruiting Shazam into the
Justice Society and anyway, Gunn says, they're not canon. I
hate it.

Speaker 3 (02:55:33):
Or just not.

Speaker 2 (02:55:36):
No, he's you know, he has talked about that before,
and he's just like, yeah, I don't know why they
were doing all that. I don't know what the Justice
Society has anything to do with Amanda Waller. I don't
know why they were involved. I don't No, they're just
that it didn't happen. It's not canon. We're not doing
it as Tech Batman Clash of Empires. They released a

(02:55:59):
trailer it looks like and I want to watch, Yeah,
What'm gonna be for me? I hate it because it's
like I like, you know, being like I like to
be the guy who goes like yes, all the new things,
and then they bring out like, hey, here's a weird idea,
and I'm like, you're right, that is a weird idea. No,
I don't want to watch that.

Speaker 1 (02:56:17):
It looks real thorough like somebody somebody mapped the hell
out of those characters onto that universe. I just don't know.
I don't really care enough.

Speaker 2 (02:56:27):
That's also like part of my problem with like the
way they did Batman Ninja, where it was like, well,
what a Batman goes back in time and he's in
feudal Japan and you're like, well, that's kind of an
interesting take, and they're like, in order to do this,
we really wanted to get all the villains, all the
main villains, to see what they were like. So we've

(02:56:48):
created a completely outlandish scenario, even more so than the
fact that he's gone back in time to feudal with Japan. Yeah,
let's have all the bad guys do their take on
feudal Japan. I'm like, oh god, I don't want to
do that. Any of that movie was okay, it was
not great, but it wasn't the worst thing. But just
like that on Nastech Batman, I'm like, okay, well this

(02:57:09):
is kind of interesting. Okay, Oh, okay, I guess that's
two face mm hm oh oh oh. And now there's
a joker. Okay. Oh, now that's the catwoman. Y'all just
doing the whole day, y'all, just y'all just doing the
whole thing. Yeah, character, yeah, it's it's just like now
I'm starting to feel like it's overcrowded and that y'all

(02:57:30):
are doing too much. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:57:32):
It might I can't tell, because those are effectively just
else worlds where like I say it, else world and
some of them are considered cannon. But it's kind of
like the spirit of Batman somewhere else. But there's a
bit of me that doesn't like the Spirit of Batman
kind of stories show up this in this place because
it has almost a vague mystic like mystical mysticisms feel

(02:57:54):
to it that is just not really that many. Yeah,
didn't come from a grounded place that I'll like, I
can well.

Speaker 2 (02:58:01):
I don't care about grounded necessarily.

Speaker 1 (02:58:04):
Maybe I do because I like it being, you know,
a crime alley in a crime and then a vow
and a bunch of humanity and all that kind of crime.

Speaker 2 (02:58:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:58:14):
The Pyridane stuff doesn't hit as hard to me.

Speaker 2 (02:58:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I think I'm
also just bored by like as tech stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:58:24):
Yeah, it's never hit with me either, Like you know,
me and.

Speaker 2 (02:58:27):
My sister like a lot of like conspiracies about you know,
history and shit. I don't know, like what really happened here?
And was it Aliens or what it was? And you know,
she'll start talking about Aztecs and I'm like, can we
go back to Egyptians. I don't know why. There's something
I don't know, if it's like an aesthetic thing, if
that's like a thing in my brain where I'm just like, no,

(02:58:49):
there are too many there are too many vines or
something like that. Some I'm sure it's interesting if I
give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (02:58:59):
Some of it, like of the aesthetics hit hit earlier
with me, something like some of I get along differently
with now than I did before. It does change a
little bit because it's just an aesthetics thing.

Speaker 2 (02:59:09):
Yeah, I'm like, I don't know, I feel like they're
I don't like trees with my pyramids.

Speaker 1 (02:59:15):
Yeah that was one straight, straight flat desert like casual
history and all. That's really cool. But yeah, the Inmagy
itself never never struck me the same, except for that
creepy as show where they pulled the kids into the walls.

Speaker 2 (02:59:31):
Oh you talked about what is that Legends of the
Hidden Temple O Mac and whatever his name is.

Speaker 1 (02:59:38):
Yeah, I feel like it was no Mac, we just
want to call it that.

Speaker 2 (02:59:42):
Yeah, it was like old Mac. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I
think so, I think so. Uh, I can double check
it real quick. They did a movie and they also
did like a new version of the show.

Speaker 1 (02:59:55):
Yeah o Max, Yeah, less child abuse presumably.

Speaker 2 (02:59:58):
Oh yeah, these were adults, it wasn't It was also
not good.

Speaker 1 (03:00:01):
Yeah, adults. I mean I watched it growing up, and
even after you told me about about all the bad times,
I'm still like, Okay, but but if you set that up,
I would go through it. I mean, as an adult would.

Speaker 2 (03:00:13):
Go through it. They have all the Legends of the
Hidden Temple episodes on Paramount. Plus. You know, my wife
had fond memories of the show, and I was just
angry that it replaced Nick Arcade.

Speaker 1 (03:00:26):
I watched it every day every day I could.

Speaker 2 (03:00:28):
Yeah, I just aggravated because I loved Nick Arcade. I
don't know, like hell, I mean that was a show
where they played video games.

Speaker 1 (03:00:36):
I don't remember that one at all. So apparently I
was not watching that time slot until Legends came on.

Speaker 2 (03:00:40):
Dude. Yeah, it was like the year before. It was
like the year before it was like Nick Arcade, and
like it was like kids. They would bring in like
video games that hadn't come out yet and they would
play the video games and like compete and then like
whoever won got to go through like this, like green
screen set up like this. It was. It was pretty cool.

(03:01:02):
It was like a set that was green screen. But
like when we watched it at home, it looks like
they're running around in a two D video game level.
You should check it out. It's on Paramount Plus. But
it's fun and uh yeah, they all of a sudden,
Nick Arcade wasn't coming on. It was Legends of the

(03:01:22):
Hidden Temple, and I was like, this is boring. New
sons of bitches took away my only jewel on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (03:01:32):
Afternoon, Sandy. Those are on Paramount so you can refer
back in therapy sessions.

Speaker 2 (03:01:39):
Oh dude, Yeah, Like we were watching the other night,
we were watching a bunch of episodes of Nickelodeon's Guts
with the Agro Crag. Yeah, you know Michae O'Malley, dude,
it like killed me too. Like did you ever watch
The Goldbergs the show? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:01:56):
I started to a couple of times. It was good.
It's one of those the wife watched now stereotypically stood
in the doorways and all.

Speaker 2 (03:02:02):
That Yeah, it's good until about season eight, and then
after that season seven or eight, and then like after
that the show was basically holding on by a Tim Meadows,
Like Tim Meadows is the only one carry in that
son of a Bitching show.

Speaker 1 (03:02:16):
Dude, you know, but make it that far for uh,
that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (03:02:20):
Like it's pretty bad. It's like season seven is when
Adam Goldberg took his name off of the show entirely
and took it off of his Twitter bios.

Speaker 1 (03:02:31):
Oh all right, so I got about five worth of
show in there.

Speaker 2 (03:02:35):
And like the last season or the season before I think,
is where like they fired, uh, what's his face? Curby
Your Enthusiasm guy? What was his name? The guy played
Jeff on Curby Enthusiasm. What is his name? I can't remember,
but he's the dad. He was the dad on the show.
And yeah, they were like, oh, he says inappropriate things

(03:02:58):
he's been saying, Jeff. Yeah, Oh, he says inappropriate things,
and like he'll he sits down and he grunts and
he goes, oh my vagina, and it's not appropriate. It's
not appropriate. And you know, he hugs us too much.
We don't like it. And uh so like you know,
the internets divided, like, you know, people are like, well,
you know, apparently Adam Goldberg was just you know, letting

(03:03:21):
him be on the show and harass people. And then
other people are like, no, no one's ever had a
problem before this, like it was. They think it's like
the woman who played the mother, because she was pretty
outspoken about like finally someone did something about it. And
I don't know what to believe, Like it does just
seem like an old guy who was used to being

(03:03:43):
on Curb your enthusiasm was too blue around people on
a family show. I don't know though, but I've also
seen that he's like a really touchy feel the guy,
like he hugs a lot of people, like he you know,
behind the scenes on Curb and stuff. He's just a
big He seems like a big teddy bear who just
like wants to be friendly and hug people. And I don't,

(03:04:04):
I don't know what to believe. I don't but they
did that the show unraveled. The show unraveled. They they
kept writing off, writing him off, and then like they
would have like weird cgi scenes where it was like
clearly not him and it was just like his head
on someone else's body. Sometimes he wasn't like clearly wasn't

(03:04:28):
in the same room, and they would just have like
this weird, like CGI version of him, Like, ah, we
were in the corner. It was just weird dude, And uh,
it was really fucked up. And then they killed him
off and I think, like experiment, I think Adam Goldberg's
actual dad is still alive. Anyway, So the older brother

(03:04:51):
on the show, the guy, and he's always got like
a like a sports jersey on and he's just a hey,
yells a lot and he's just super obnoxious. Uh. I
realized that it was Michael. He he Michael Mallley is
just that character in Guts. He's just like he's in
a giant hockey jersey all the time and he's just
screaming into this microphone. He's got the curled, dark curly hair.

(03:05:15):
He looks like the character. He looks like Barry, Adam's
older brother on the show. It is really weird.

Speaker 4 (03:05:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:05:24):
Maybe someone who watches will know what I'm talking about.
But anyway, all right.

Speaker 1 (03:05:31):
I love how much DC Savera of Nickelodeon sparreled into
other abusive areas. It's just the time we all lost something.

Speaker 2 (03:05:37):
I don't know if it was abusive. Those kids seem
like they're confused but having a good time. No on guts.
Oh though the kids did get abused on Legends of
the Hidden Temple. Yeah that actually, like that was they
did like a documentary where they were like, yeah, this
was fucked up. People were getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (03:05:54):
We just I feel like our generation all went through
something a few years ago where we now just kind
of blanketly except like, yeah, yeah, a lot of that,
A lot of that was h was bad.

Speaker 2 (03:06:03):
Huh okay, yeah yeah. A bunch of people were just like,
I don't know. It's like, man, the kids today are
so soft, you know, they're trauma. There's no such thing
as trauma. Yeah I did this when I was a kid.
I'm all right. Yeah, but you know how you uh,
you know, get drunk and talk about it everywhere. Yeah yeah,

(03:06:24):
so that's trauma.

Speaker 1 (03:06:25):
Yeah, that's trauma. Yeah but okay, that's not being okay.

Speaker 2 (03:06:32):
I just don't know why everything's trauma now, because that's
what it's called. You call it blood, right, you would
hope that's not blood.

Speaker 1 (03:06:44):
Presumably you would do what fit fit fit finish the
word for it, fit fix it. Okay, there we go. There.

Speaker 2 (03:06:52):
Yeah, that's that's not blood, that's just uh character juice. Yeah,
that's how you build character, and that's the juice that
comes when you're building the character.

Speaker 1 (03:07:01):
Yeah. Watch if you lighter on fire, it caramelizes and
then holds the rest in.

Speaker 2 (03:07:06):
So a bunch of stuff dropped on YouTube. Huh uh,
just available to for free. Batman Unlimited, Animal Instincts, the
Batman Versus Dracula, Batman Beyond the Return of the Joker,
I'm assuming not the uncut version, Green Lantern, First Flight, Superman, Shazam,
the Return of Black Adam, Batman and Mister Freeese of
Zero DC, Superhero Girls, Legends of Atlantis and wonder Woman Bloodlines,

(03:07:30):
and then other titles that are on the service are
already were a Batman, Mystery of the Batwoman, Batman Gotham Knight,
Batman Versus Robin, Batman, Bad Blood, and Superman Doomsday.

Speaker 1 (03:07:41):
So so when his YouTube yep old animated Universe now
all right.

Speaker 2 (03:07:46):
Not the whole animated universe, but a lot of stuff,
a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:07:49):
A little jealous about that Superhero Girls thing. I spent
a lot of money on that back in the day.

Speaker 2 (03:07:55):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (03:07:56):
That was one of the when your daughter's watching stuff
that you know that time could be spent a lot
of ways. I was pretty grateful that it was DC
super Hard Girls for a while.

Speaker 2 (03:08:07):
Sure, sure, he just answered a question from the feedback.
You'll get We'll get to it, but first we're getting
in the feedback now right, we're out of the news.
Let's get to this Lorenzo Valdez voicemail and uh, we're
gonna we're gonna hit on that right now.

Speaker 4 (03:08:25):
Dave and Jason, this is Lorenzo Valdez calling in once again.
First off, I say keep up the long episodes. This
last episode your review of your second viewing of James
Gunn Superman. It was such a fun episode and quite
possibly it made me laugh harder than any of your
episodes since several years ago. The episode when Dave told

(03:08:48):
the story that I'm Not Real story, Well, on this
episode there was a moment when Dave was talking about
different people who had been sitting here at movies, and
that might have been the hardest I've laughed at one
of your podcast episodes since that previous I'm Not Real
story that Dave told. And I'll tell you what you know.

(03:09:08):
When this movie comes out on home video, you guys
should do a commentary track, and Dave, you should invite
those people who are sitting near you onto the commentary
track with you guys, because listen, I don't know if
you were exaggerating a little bit how funny they were,
but your your impersonations of these people was so funny

(03:09:29):
to me that I think that having them on a
commentary track with you guys would be hilarious. You guys
brought up Michael Emerson's Joker performance and The Dark Knight Returns.
He's actually my favorite Joker voice actor, Yes, even more
than Hamill. He creeps me out so much in that performance.
I mean, his delivery of the Batman Darling line. It's

(03:09:53):
just I just I love that so much. I didn't
like him as Cayden James on Arrow, but I loved
him recently as a Brainiac on My Adventures with Superman.
But to me, in terms of his three DC roles,
the one that stands out the most is as the
Joker in the Darknight Returns. A phenomenal performance there. Now,

(03:10:14):
with regards to eternals, you know you brought up Marvel
not touching on plot elements, really picking up on plot
elements from that film. And I know, Dave Well, I
think you still haven't seen Captain America Brave New World.

Speaker 2 (03:10:27):
I won't spoil how those.

Speaker 4 (03:10:28):
Plot elements play into that film, but they do pick
up on some plot threads from Eternals in that film.
Claani Forever and Always, Bye.

Speaker 2 (03:10:36):
Bye, Lorenzo, buddy, thank you so much for sending in
the voicemail. It has been a long time since we
had a voicemail. Actually, think Lorenzo sent us another voicemail
and it was just I just couldn't figure out where
to put it because it was just had nothing to
do with anything we were talking about right now, Okay,

(03:10:57):
that was a few weeks ago. Yeah, I love that.
I love that. Some of our listeners like the really
long ones.

Speaker 1 (03:11:05):
Yeah that is that is uh yeah, congratulations, got another one.

Speaker 2 (03:11:09):
Yeah, but you know what, and then I feel bad.
Would we do an hour because I'm like, man, we
were really letting down some people.

Speaker 1 (03:11:17):
Nah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be some of our.

Speaker 2 (03:11:19):
Most vocal people who love the show are like, man,
you're only giving us an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (03:11:26):
Yeah. I know, I know, but I would be terrified
to know what happens if we try to make some
of those, because we really just do it until we're
done talking. So I would I don't know what I
would what it would kind of bullshit. We'd descend into
trying to fluff that out for two more hours.

Speaker 2 (03:11:42):
And it was funny because like a week or two ago,
I don't know, we had a couple of nights where
we talked on the phone some like one night we
talked for like five hours, and I'm just like, good lord,
that would have been like a Rogan episode. Yeah, yeah,
but you know you could trust the information.

Speaker 1 (03:12:02):
Yeah, I think we could hang in there for a
good while. But yeah, we do mostly cut it out
once the once the page notes throughout which spoiler alert,
we're hitting the end of at this at this structure.

Speaker 2 (03:12:17):
Yeah, we're coming close, very close.

Speaker 1 (03:12:21):
So you can see the airport from the sideway.

Speaker 2 (03:12:25):
Uh yeah, love that, Lorenzo man I love that. You
love the three hour casts?

Speaker 1 (03:12:30):
H thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:12:31):
Looking like it's gonna be a little bit more than
that this time. In excess of that, possibly we'll see
after the edit, but we're, you know, by our time,
we're looking at three hours and fifteen minutes fifteen, not fifteen. Now,
I would like he said that my story about the

(03:12:53):
annoying people during the two different showings of Superman. He
laughed harder at that than he's laughed. They just since
the I'm not their story, which I feel somewhat obligated
to tell again. But I very truncated version of that
was I got a flat on the interstate and it

(03:13:16):
just wound up being a super long fucking day and
I was so tired by the end of it, and
I wound up being towed to this place that sold tires,
and I'm just standing outside waiting on them to bring
my car around, and this woman starts rattling at me,
talking about something and things that i'm you know, asking

(03:13:37):
me questions like an employee. And I meant to look
at her and say, no, ma'am, I don't work here,
but what I actually said was no, ma'am, I'm not
real totally by accident. So that's that story. But no,
I even if I had gotten.

Speaker 1 (03:13:56):
Ip I know what she calls you, I don't even
want to start to me.

Speaker 2 (03:14:04):
Yeah, to speculat damn millennial. I you know, even if
I had any idea who those people were like, I
don't even know what their faces look like.

Speaker 1 (03:14:14):
Yeah. True in the dark, but but good news they
may be at the next showing of whatever we see anyway.

Speaker 2 (03:14:22):
But I would not be inviting those people onto the show.

Speaker 1 (03:14:25):
Uh, it would strain your your sense of grace beyond repair,
I think.

Speaker 2 (03:14:32):
Yeah, Like Michael Emerson saying that you like him even
more than Mark Hamill is a bold fucking statement, dude,
as is you saying you didn't like him an Arrow
as Cayden James. I got tired of that story. But
that motherfucker carried that season of Arrow, Like, if I
remember correctly, that was the original Team Arrow and new

(03:14:58):
Team Arrows split up and are bas acting like little
bitches to each other the entire season.

Speaker 1 (03:15:04):
Yeah, I do remember that one. I forgot he even
existed in that so that that should place, that should
place some of my opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:15:14):
But I thought he was a very strong joker.

Speaker 1 (03:15:16):
Though he was a strong joker. The thing I really
like about I know it's bold, I know it is bold,
But I do like the fact that that's having, that's
having a very specific flavor that that you're very passionate about,
which I can I can respect.

Speaker 2 (03:15:28):
Yeah, I can respect it. I respect it all day.
I'm just saying as bold as fuck, like you're going
to gains Mark.

Speaker 1 (03:15:35):
Yeah, okay, it it is though it's it's I mean,
it's like you know, Lemonaryaki Wings being your favorite, but
like you know, fucking you know, Buffalo ranch is right there,
like it, we all like it for a reason, but
it's but I get why the other one's on the menu.

Speaker 2 (03:15:50):
Yeah, but yeah, I love Michael Emerson. I love him
on Lost as the villain is sometimes misunderstood ben linus Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:15:58):
I like him as the reason I was maybe gonna
try Personal Interests before I didn't care.

Speaker 2 (03:16:02):
I was about to say, like, like dude, like bit
like Michael Emerson on Person of Interest. I was like, oh,
I didn't like I know Amy actors on that show,
and I love Amy Acor.

Speaker 1 (03:16:13):
I forgot about that. I didn't even know about that.

Speaker 2 (03:16:15):
Maybe I'm not sure, But like Jim covizel nah man,
he can go fuck it. He can just whatever it is.
I don't even know what it is. Is it a couch?

Speaker 4 (03:16:25):
Is it you know?

Speaker 2 (03:16:26):
Is it a bear trap? I don't know what it is,
but yeah, like you know, to think that you're as
like hi and holy as Jim Covizel thinks he is.
I'm like, dude, like lightning hits you twice while you
were filming Passionate of the Christ, just fuck yourself, like whatever,
whatever the higher power is in the universe, they weren't

(03:16:47):
pleased with you.

Speaker 1 (03:16:49):
Yeah, they're not well pleased. But he he is method
acting a little too hard on this role that was
twenty five years ago.

Speaker 2 (03:16:58):
No, and there's there's some other stuff, but we'll just
go and move along. Uh uh So he said he
was glad to hear that. Uh No, sorry, I'm glad.
Uh god, I'm tired. I'm glad to hear they've picked
up some of the stuff from maternals on on the
new Marvel stuff. I I actually do look forward to
catching up. We both made it out to see Fantastic

(03:17:20):
four last night, as we said we did, and uh
we are going to do a Patreon exclusive conversation about
that soon. But I was thinking I might do some
catch up Patreon exclusives, you know, not not unlike your
Jason's pool list of Marvel stuff. And I can let
you know when I'm doing that if you want to join.
But I've got a lot of shit. I've got a

(03:17:42):
lot of shit to catch up. Yeah, so I didn't
want to like lock you in. I didn't want to
be like Jason's gonna do it with me, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (03:17:48):
Like No, Yeah, I think I think i'd like to
be there for a lot of those. I think some
of it will depending on how far you're going back,
far enough for that to definitely be a thing. It'll
you'll be able to get to spots where my memories
going to be better. But some of that will just
be you explaining to me what happened.

Speaker 2 (03:18:03):
But like when I say, like you are not required,
it is a mercy. I just finished the first episode
of in Humans.

Speaker 1 (03:18:10):
Yeah, so yeah, that is right. I do actually kind
of want to I do want to hear you. I
don't know. It's like saying I would like to be
there for the exorcism when you it might be worse.

Speaker 2 (03:18:23):
Thought it might be worse because I didn't hate it, Dude,
I didn't hate that first episode.

Speaker 1 (03:18:26):
It's funny. That's funny.

Speaker 2 (03:18:27):
So there are certain definitely some things where I was like,
that's fucking dumb, but.

Speaker 1 (03:18:32):
I don't remember that at all. Yeah, this a large
chunk of that for whatever parts of that do there
for will just be you explaining what happened to me
and be like, oh man, that does sound exciting that
you may explain it. Yeah, And I don't know, or
to save reminding me of me going no, no, no
no no, I do remember, yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:18:50):
To save the Patreon users, or you know, some time insanity.
I think I might just make some notes and just
do like that season as an episode and just talk
about it if you like to join. But whatever, I've
got some Daredevil to go back for. I've got some
Jessica Jones to go back for. Uh, I've got so
many movies.

Speaker 1 (03:19:11):
I have a few i'm finishing. I'm actually finishing Shield,
and I have the last episode of Shield cut up.

Speaker 2 (03:19:17):
Oh yeah yeah yeah, so dude, and.

Speaker 1 (03:19:20):
Then I gotta go back for the Daredevil universe. I
haven't finished. You reminded me that. Other than that, I
thought I was basically done. I thought Shield was like
this weird blip where I wasn't caught up that I
was like, oh man, that's weird, I'll catch up. No,
there's some Daredevil stuff I haven't done, or not Daredevil proper.

Speaker 2 (03:19:35):
But yeah, universe, and dude, like there's stuff that I from,
like the old school, that I kind of want to
go back for just to say I got to it.
Like elektra Jennifer Garner in Electra. I never even watched
that movie.

Speaker 1 (03:19:47):
I think I did watch.

Speaker 2 (03:19:48):
I bought that movie in the five dollars ben and
never watched it.

Speaker 1 (03:19:52):
You remember what year it came out? Off hand?

Speaker 2 (03:19:54):
I want to say two thousand and five because that
feels right.

Speaker 1 (03:19:58):
I want to say that was in my Pirting era.
So that's that's my memory is watching it off a computer,
which makes sense.

Speaker 2 (03:20:06):
Yes, two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (03:20:07):
Yeah, yeah, so I have watched that. I'm awesome once
upon a crime, Once upon a crime.

Speaker 2 (03:20:14):
But yeah, I would love to. Uh, you know, I
don't want to like make you. I don't want to
say that you've got your you've got to do it
with me because my god, but I'm interested.

Speaker 1 (03:20:23):
That's that would be hillatious for I would like to
sign up for series regular.

Speaker 2 (03:20:28):
Is that sure? We could do that?

Speaker 4 (03:20:32):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:20:33):
Andre Sparks, Uh, let's see. R Andre Sparks says, my
kids watched DC Superhero Girls, and in later seasons, the
Supergirl becomes more punk rockish with attitude I feel like
the new Supergirl will be like this. I don't know
if Jason has watched it with his kid, but he
may know what I mean. If you haven't watched m

(03:20:53):
oh and this mister terrific is way better than the
Aero Verse version. Definitely gonna be one of my Halloween
costume Halloween costumes year Hey sent along. Andre sent along
a picture of short haired DC superhero girls punk Rock Supergirl,
one in the traditional Supergirl costume and one with her
her jacket and uh, yeah, no, actually, you know, it

(03:21:15):
might shock you, Andre to know that Jason hasn't definitely
watched this with his daughter, and I have too. I've
watched it with his daughter, like we've watched it together.

Speaker 1 (03:21:25):
I did forget even there that, yeah, I was around,
they did some of the reinvention. Uh it's that I
forget how it works. There was some uh some weird
cartoon network r going on that it was the show
kind of got reinvented. Yes, a few like in a
couple of versions.

Speaker 2 (03:21:44):
Wonderful like I did not care for the first version
of it so much like it was very god it
was almost almost traditionally clinical. It was very like, very
like I don't know, stripped down the Little House in
the Prairie DC see Superheros Girls.

Speaker 1 (03:22:01):
Yeah, a little. It wasn't much edge at all, not
really much going on there. Everything's very sterilized, but it
and and very kiddified. But and but it had it
had its charms and it was like it was a
very nice show with a lot of compelling qualities for

(03:22:23):
a three or four yettle girl. So I did and
but that there's definitely like a change in that series
when they come back with like the punk rock version, which, yeah,
it's gonna be a lot more fun where you're like,
I think there's you know episode where that Wonder Woman's
mom is the that's like her mother figure that she

(03:22:45):
wishes she had. There's all episode about them. Yeah, there's
that actually did get more interesting you it's one of
those shows that you're happy to have in the background,
like you said, like I said earlier, you're happy to
have it with when other choices could have been made
with your time. Yeah, so you end up going way
more into the universe of you end up having way
more thoughts than you wish you had. You're you're seeing

(03:23:05):
side characters. Oh cool, they're pulling it up. Oh God,
big Bertha is gonna be a big, big Bart player
in this Big Bart is gonna be this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (03:23:13):
Yeah, uh yeah, yeah absolutely, I've I saw like it
was one of those things where like, you know, I
was hanging out over there and then you had that
on I was like, oh, well shit, they kind of
changed it up on the show a little bit. Look
at that.

Speaker 1 (03:23:27):
Yeah, and then when that start going into the movies,
some of them are kind of genuinely not bad, especially
for that age group, for that age group, genuinely very
good for any edge group, genuinely not bad. Mm.

Speaker 2 (03:23:39):
I did like it because it seemed like it was
it seemed like it was aging up with its audience. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:23:44):
Yeah, it was something you could grow with, I think
if you were the right cohort toward.

Speaker 2 (03:23:47):
H So yeah, man, yeah, we we didn't talk about
on the show, but and we I haven't seen every episode.
Maybe you have, but uh, I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (03:23:55):
It's so scattered. But I've spent a ton of money
buying that damn show, just seasons and movies and blah
blah blah, to to feed the monster that is a
growing child and their curiosity about things and also, God forbid,
like I was gonna keep buying that because I don't
want her to run out of steam on the show

(03:24:16):
that I'm half enjoying.

Speaker 2 (03:24:18):
Did you ever get around to Justice League Action? I
never finished it.

Speaker 1 (03:24:21):
No, I never did finish that. I think I've attempted a.

Speaker 2 (03:24:23):
Couple of times. Those are like some nice little vignettes
like Evlyn would probably enjoy that. And that's pretty well
one of the last bits we're gonna get with Hammel
and Conroy.

Speaker 1 (03:24:33):
Oh definitely is that is one of those. I think
I tried with her at some point she kind of
liked it, drifted off, and I haven't thought about it
ever since.

Speaker 2 (03:24:41):
Yeah, well, because you you just jumped to her from
like Superhero Girls to like Wonder Woman be heading Steppenwolf.

Speaker 1 (03:24:50):
When she was a huge fan of that scene.

Speaker 2 (03:24:51):
I know, but you know then you can't bring them back.
Now they're like, what is this cartoony shit?

Speaker 1 (03:24:57):
Yeah, shark jumped.

Speaker 2 (03:25:00):
All right, and you sent me this one shimone over
on Uh what is this is this?

Speaker 4 (03:25:05):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:25:05):
This was Spotify?

Speaker 1 (03:25:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:25:08):
Uh said that. I loved I love that. Y'all don't
ship on the past DC universe. We absolutely do, But
thank you for saying that, Shimon. Well, I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:25:17):
Some truth to it. We we try to keep some
love for the stuff that got to.

Speaker 2 (03:25:22):
Say, we got love. We just were honest about what
we don't like, I think, and that's the you know
we first started. We get people who being like, oh,
they're fucking harsh. You are harsh or harsh.

Speaker 1 (03:25:31):
Probably were we were, we would have definitely framed her.

Speaker 2 (03:25:34):
But you know what said, Look, there's plenty of it
I love. There's plenty of it that I love. But
I mean we were actively dealing with air reverse multiple
times on a weekly basis.

Speaker 1 (03:25:45):
Right, Like that'll make that'll make anyone a.

Speaker 2 (03:25:47):
Bit chippy yep. Yeah, yeah, And it was when it
was great.

Speaker 1 (03:25:51):
It was truly great. When it was a slog, it
was a lot of slog There were like seven freaking
shows at one time at the peak of it.

Speaker 2 (03:26:00):
M hmm, it was you know, that's a good point.
That's a good point. The other night, Yeah, last night,
you said that we should have a shirt that says
I survived the Aeroverse And I was like, I don't
want to be that mean about Aeroverse, but you know what,
you know what the sheer breadth of it. If we
don't even look at the quality aspect of it, I

(03:26:20):
feel like it's still okay. So you know what, I'm
going to design that shirt and I'm gonna put it up.
Y'all can buy it, and i'll if you want it,
and yeah, well we're gonna get that underway.

Speaker 1 (03:26:32):
We'll proudly wear it again. Though you please don't take
it necessarily as a slight. I have to understand, like
you get the same shirt for like eating the forty
eight ounced steak at whatever weird steakhouses and only movies
that I've ever seen because I've ever been in one
like that, or they give you the shirt off the
wall and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (03:26:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think I saw an episode of King
of a Hill like that.

Speaker 1 (03:26:56):
Yeah, I learned about it from a John Candy movie
a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (03:27:00):
Of course you did, all right, So sorry shimone. Sorry, uh.
I love that y'all don't shot in the past DC universe.
I'm just glad that this time we finally have a
plan for this universe. It's off to a great start
and slowly DC will get better as time goes on.
Since I'm assuming by next episode y'all will stop y'all

(03:27:20):
will talk about the box office numbers. My question to
y'all is are y'all worried about the movie flopping? Not
at all? The only thing I'm worried about is how
loud the Snyder fans are going to be. Also, I
love the podcast, this podcast so much. Uh, y'all, y'all
make my y'all make my days better. And uh that
comment made my day better when I got it. And Uh,

(03:27:45):
I'm not worried about it flopping. I am aggravated because
I knew that, like, no matter how good the movie did,
the loud, spiteful Snyder fans we're going to claim that
it was a flop, like it was never going to
do better, like and if it did, like if it
went you know, it could have done like two billion
dollars at the end of all of this, and they

(03:28:06):
would say that somehow they cooked the books to make
it look like it was, you know, better than Man
of Steel.

Speaker 1 (03:28:15):
Sure, and you know, don't get this wrong either, Like
there was a low bar where if this movie didn't
perform at a certain spot, yeah, we might have just
it might have been easier to just pay off James
and Peter and call the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (03:28:26):
Does Yeah, like could have been little bit one hundred.

Speaker 1 (03:28:29):
And five mil or something at this point two weeks in,
like maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:28:33):
Yeah, no, like five hundred No, five hundred two million
two weeks in. No, we're not there.

Speaker 1 (03:28:37):
We're doing great, We're not dead. Numbers do matter, but
we hit a good one.

Speaker 2 (03:28:40):
We passed four hundred million worldwide six days ago. Yeah,
and now we're at five hundred and two million. Yeah,
I am check. Now.

Speaker 1 (03:28:49):
I do think when that that was all future tens
when that question was asked, Yeah, it was, so we
have the actual answers to that question.

Speaker 2 (03:28:55):
Now we have the answers. And I wasn't worried about
it flopping any either way. Like, if it didn't do well,
it didn't do well. And I'm pretty used to things
that I love being canceled. Resident Alien for example, Firefly Liken,
The Adventures of Briscoe County Junior. You know, I've I'm

(03:29:17):
will uh schooled in this, in this tradition of falling
in love with a thing and having it taken away
from I mean, for that matter, the Snyder verse.

Speaker 1 (03:29:31):
I you know, which we liked just fine.

Speaker 2 (03:29:35):
I would have loved to have seen Justice League two
and three and the Chinese Adam movie and the solo
ben Affleck versus Death Stroke movie and everything like I
wanted to see that original uh Rick famaua Flash movie
like I have yeah, yes, the script. I wanted to

(03:29:58):
see a rs A Ors cut of Suicide Squad and
his Gotham City Sirens like everything that has been brought
up I have wanted to say. Damn yeah, so yeah,
like yeah, I mean I would still be fine if
Great Gustin came back as the flash All right, cool,
let's do a completely different version of Gustin. We're doing
completely different versions of fucking Peacemaker for Christ's sake, right,

(03:30:22):
like yes, yes, I'm good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:30:25):
And several of the people in air Verse, you know,
Dead to Riots, were good enough to be on any screen,
big or small.

Speaker 2 (03:30:32):
I said that back then and Snyder was like, oh,
I don't know if it doesn't really fit the tone,
and I'm like, okay, well, tones are different all over.
It's one of the things I'm really excited about with
James Gunn where he's like, oh, yeah, the movies are
gonna be different in tone. I'm at Thank Christ, someone
who understands tone.

Speaker 1 (03:30:48):
Yeah, we're gonna get a minimum of Neapolitan level flavors
of ice cream up in this thing.

Speaker 2 (03:30:52):
So yeah, which I maintained that when Snyder said that,
he was trying to come up with an excuse because
he just knew he did. He wasn't going there. He
wasn't doing Aeroverse. It wasn't. He actually thought that the
tone was too different anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:31:06):
It might have depended on the episode he called too.
It might have been Legends, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:31:12):
I mean I don't even think Legends was there yet
when he said that. That was so early on. I
think it was just Aeroverse in the flash and we
were like when our show started, Supergirl was starting. Yeah,
I think our second episode was talking about the leaked
Supergirl episode, right, it was.

Speaker 1 (03:31:32):
I don't know that might that might have been long
enough to have say and just based on pure jokes
per minute that alone, which used to be kind of
what people meant when they said tone, He's probably right
about just like, yeah, there's just way more jokes in
an episode of any of that than I'm doing on
anything in my entire movie. Just outright.

Speaker 2 (03:31:53):
No, he saw one episode it was Geomancer.

Speaker 1 (03:31:56):
Yeah, and thought I can't top that. We'll just move on.

Speaker 2 (03:32:01):
Yeah, A dray tude rise to us and says, when
when it is a fun episode of something you all enjoyed,
then the episodes can be multiple hours. Thank you for
the kind words. By the way, you're very welcome, and
thank you, thank you for the kind words. Zach Champion says,

(03:32:22):
if you want some good body horror recommendations, watching American
Werewolf in London and the New wolf Man from Lee
wannel or Wanel, and I tell you, Zach, I don't.
I don't want any good body horror recommendations.

Speaker 1 (03:32:37):
I did actually watch American Werewolf in London recently, and
it struck me how different that was in my memory.
I remember it being a little more whimsical. No, it
is not. It is not that that ending is harrowing.

Speaker 2 (03:32:50):
I remember, you know, certain things from total recall, I've
got uh. I have some memories. I have some memories
of some things. I watched Slither, which I believe was
a James Gun movie. It was yeah, yeah, I've seen some.

Speaker 1 (03:33:06):
That was that was the first.

Speaker 2 (03:33:07):
I think I've seen some funked up stuff. I don't know. Generally,
I am eating if I'm watching a movie, so I'm good.

Speaker 1 (03:33:14):
I don't remember much other about Slither other than like
a couple of parts being torn off.

Speaker 2 (03:33:19):
I mean, the gross thing for me is just what
they are.

Speaker 1 (03:33:24):
I don't remember that at all. I mean that was
definitely at college. Yeah, college movie.

Speaker 2 (03:33:31):
Yeah, it was like a five dollars in the Walmart
ben kind of thing. Di version yeah, or a pirated
version Jesus, yeah, yeah, Silas Rodell over on the discord,
we have a discord. I don't know if anybody knows
about that.

Speaker 1 (03:33:47):
Yeah, yeah, please join.

Speaker 2 (03:33:49):
Clearly Silas knows about the discord.

Speaker 1 (03:33:53):
We don't use it. I always there, and it's convenient to.

Speaker 2 (03:33:55):
H anytime I think about it is because you brought
it up, and I'm like, oh, yeah, we're still doing that.
That's still right, Jesus Christ. I was like, how do
I get into it? Like, if you know, Silas Rodell says,
I hope this is okay. Of course it's okay, Silas.
Jesus Jesus very welcomed bringing out I wanted to share
a thought about the new Superman movie. My real name

(03:34:17):
is Rob. If you choose to share it, fine, Rob, Fine, Jesus.
Rob not silas, I'm so confused. One part of the
movie I really liked hasn't really been talked about. Earlier
in the movie, guy spills to Lois that Clark's glasses
make it so people don't recognize he is Superman. Later
in the movie, he is it has proved how powerful

(03:34:38):
they are. God. After Lex kills the guy who gave
Superman free food once and helped him out of the hole,
Lex says to Superman something like, maybe next time, I'll
kill your reporter friend, Clark Kent. So Lex Luthor, who
has a huge hate boner for Superman and loves being
the smartest asshole in the room, doesn't know that Clark
Kent is Superman. He has studied everything about him and
can't see past the glasses. Now in the comic, there's like,

(03:35:02):
I don't remember how it all goes, but there is
a thing that Clark talks about with the hypnotic glasses
where it like warps the lens or something and sees
it makes the lens see what he is hypnotically projecting. Yeah,
and that's why people don't see. But it sounded like
to me in that moo in the movie Lex was

(03:35:22):
Lex just was aware that Clark kent with some reporter
like he was like that reporter who you always interviews you.

Speaker 1 (03:35:30):
He's just on the he's on the bulletin board as
someone that might affect Superman enough that he's he's gonna
look into.

Speaker 2 (03:35:38):
Yeah, I'm not sure that, like putting a picture in
the paper is like required. If Clark was just like,
I don't want my picture in there, then would they
really do it. I don't know. I don't know's I'm curious.
I'm curious. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:35:51):
I think it was a fine point about how strong
the glasses really are, but I still don't really know.
I still don't really know how the word they just
sort of say they work, although I did in retrospect
some of the interviews have some of the press barrage
have brought up like that Lex may have been like
super kind of super involved in some of these people's

(03:36:13):
lives at the Daily Planet for years now in one create,
in in one case, incredibly involved. But he's been a
known quantity, so like he's gonna know a major reporter
or maybe like the top three or four major reporters
at any local paper. Yeah, that's also an international paper.

Speaker 2 (03:36:32):
But I do worry, I do wonder, and I liked
your point because we you know, you had a whole
conversation with him on discord where you were like, it
would be interesting to see them face to face as
Clark and the glasses, to see if Lex flinched and
noticed anything was off. Like however, once in a while,
in a very long while, some special people noticed the
slip of paper, the psychic paper from doctor from Doctor Who. Uh, yeah,

(03:36:54):
that would be really cool. And by the way, I
love that you guys started talking about Doctor Who, because
I also love Doctor Who, and I'm also incredib behind
as both of you are. But yeah, dude, like Sila
says or Rob says, I've been listening to you guys
for years, not exactly the beginning, but not far off. Dude,
thank you so much for listening and finally writing in.

(03:37:15):
I love I love getting emails and messages from people
who are just like, by the way, I was here
almost from the beginning or from the beginning or whatever
it was, and I've just never just I've just decided
never to fucking talk to you guys in ten years.
But I love you to death, like I love that
kind of shit. So if you guys are out there,
and I know there are some of you out there,

(03:37:38):
please write in DC on screen at gmail dot com.
I like hearing that kind of stuff, you know. I
like to feel good. You know, I don't, and I
every once in a while, I don't want to have
to be shoving some sort of little Debbie product down
my gullet to feel good. I like for you know,

(03:37:59):
listen to make me feel good and be like.

Speaker 1 (03:38:01):
Hey, sort of some sort of social reward mechanism that yeah,
supplants the need for killing yourself with thanks.

Speaker 2 (03:38:08):
Yeah Jesus Christ. Yeah it's fair. I mean, it's called
it is, call it is. But speaking of that, I
think we're done.

Speaker 1 (03:38:18):
It's also the anyone who's been around that long probably
has something interesting enough that we would like to talk
about absolutely or I don't know what the hell you've
been doing for this long. I don't know what you're
doing If you're not interested in the stuff that we're
talking about at this point, I don't know. Waiting for
an apology in that case, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (03:38:35):
Uh well, I've my friend Amy has told me that
she doesn't really care anything about DC, but she just
likes she just likes to have me onto the background
because it's her friend. Oh, that's just the voice of
her friend in the background. I'm like, okay, yes, I mean,
I wouldn't listen to a friend's podcast if I didn't

(03:38:55):
like or care about what they were talking about. But
I mean, but it interestingly enough. Though. When I'm like, well,
you know, I do a Star Trek cast too, She's like,
I don't know any of a Star Trek. I don't
like Star Trek, so like, I don't know how that works.
But okay, I get it, though, I get it in
some ways, like you know, you know Batman and Superman enough,

(03:39:18):
you know, just as like a I think, like any
like most people would be like oh yeah, like at
least in the US, like people know Batman really a
lot worldwide. Superman is not quiet as known in certain places,
like that's why one of the reasons it is having
trouble in certain places in China. And shit, gun got

(03:39:40):
a lot of shit for saying that, by the way,
because everyone's like everybody knows what that's S means. Everybody
knows what the S stands for, but not every It's like, uh,
you know, like I know what natrote Is, but I've
never watched it. I don't really have Like I'm not
gonna go watch a movie. You know, you can watch
you can know what Superman is roughly, but that doesn't
mean you're gonna like care about it enough go see

(03:40:00):
a movie.

Speaker 1 (03:40:01):
So anyway, and then we're fighting a little bit of
right in the middle of some pretty heavy anti American sentiment.
And depending on the corner you're in right now, like
we're yeah, yeah, like having a big guy that's basically
dressed like half a flag is not necessarily the best
right advertisement right now in some corners, Yeah, like that's
definitely gonna hit.

Speaker 2 (03:40:19):
And you know, people are saying, like, yeah, well, he's
making excuses. He doesn't have to. The movie has done
really well, like.

Speaker 1 (03:40:26):
I think it's doing finance on merits without all the extra.

Speaker 2 (03:40:29):
And he's also right because in that same duration statement
he talked about like how they're seeing good numbers on
the weekdays and.

Speaker 1 (03:40:35):
It's it's just you know, I would also contend there's
a fine line between excuses and reasons.

Speaker 2 (03:40:41):
They're still you know, building stuff, rebuilding DC. You know,
that's a and that's one of the things that I
don't think we've talked about on the show. You and
I've talked about it a lot, and that's you know
a lot of the people who are like comparing it
to Man of Steel. Man of Steel was a completely
different time and streaming was not at all what it
was Like my wife, My wife had a Netflix account

(03:41:03):
and that meant that she got DVDs in the mail. Uh,
you know people, And Man of Still was coming right
off of Dark Knight Rises, and everyone was excited about
Nolan doing something with Superman now and like at the
time that Man Have Still came out, nobody was going
Zack Snyder. Everybone's going, oh, Christopher Nolan was doing that
right because they made a point to show his name

(03:41:26):
in the trailer prominently.

Speaker 1 (03:41:28):
Yeah, anyway, one of the crossover.

Speaker 2 (03:41:31):
Lots of things going on, and everyone was also excited
about Man Have Still because it meant DC was doing
the same thing that Marvel was doing. Like, oh, they're
starting at Universe, are starting a thing with with Superman
and they're ignoring Green Lantern, thank god. And I'm over
here going no, that was okay, No.

Speaker 1 (03:41:51):
We should just shot what was on their first script
and okay, or just released what was all Okay.

Speaker 2 (03:41:57):
Too many reading, too many restars, too many restars, too
many restore, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:42:00):
Any one of those what we got in this show.
But like the twenty thirteen Man is still release compared
to now is it is a very different landscape for
so so many reasons, and then not not to include
just that, like money's a little tighter right now in
a lot of pockets, and like people don't do certain
things that in twenty thirteen were a little more available,

(03:42:21):
like dispensable income took a hit for most of the population,
and like that doesn't also include like we're post quarantine
years now and that has forever changed the amount of
asses that will be in seats for.

Speaker 2 (03:42:34):
Theaters Barbenheimer notwithstanding.

Speaker 1 (03:42:36):
Substantially, Yeah, but major social events notwithstanding, they're just it's
just a different environment and it always will be.

Speaker 2 (03:42:44):
Whole hell of a lot of more comic book movies
out there too.

Speaker 1 (03:42:48):
Oh hell yeah, And even access to these things is faster.
I mean, like I think I think the digital purchase
for Superman will be available in like August or something.

Speaker 2 (03:42:58):
Oh, I don't know, No, I don't think so, because
like someone asked if Superman that someone asked if Superman
would be available on streaming before the Peacemaker come out,
and he was like, not even close to Like it's
doing well enough, it's gonna be in theaters for a
long time. Now. It's just kind of this, m.

Speaker 1 (03:43:15):
Or did I see that. I'm just looking up real quick.
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (03:43:17):
No, I don't know. I don't know what you saw.
Maybe the still book Blu Ray might be available for
pre order in August, but I don't think they'll get.

Speaker 1 (03:43:27):
It from Oh now, Oh, there are a lot of
There are a lot of sources on this all right,
So it's August twenty six is the date that I
keep seeing.

Speaker 2 (03:43:33):
Now, hmm, let's see. This is expected to be available
for streaming on HBO Max around early to mid October
twenty twenty five. Digital release they're saying around late August
or early September to buy or rent. I still don't

(03:43:54):
believe that.

Speaker 1 (03:43:55):
Say, that's what I'm looking for. I've got August twenty
six is the date that I keep saying repeated everywhere.
But I can found a primary source anywhere.

Speaker 2 (03:44:01):
Yeah, and I usually ignore things unless I see a
primary source. Yeah, so I I just saw it and
moved on. I guess because I haven't paid any attention
to that. I'm just like, nope, I don't have a date.
That's not a date.

Speaker 1 (03:44:15):
This is a really specific, not quite real dates.

Speaker 2 (03:44:19):
Yeah, which is you know, they won't surprise.

Speaker 1 (03:44:21):
Me though in a way though is that auguest would
be really too short?

Speaker 2 (03:44:26):
But a Fortress of Solitude says unofficial sources have confirmed
in August twenty six VOD release.

Speaker 1 (03:44:33):
But that's that was the exact sentence. I found a
couple of ways.

Speaker 2 (03:44:36):
But look at the next sentence on this article, and
this is this is what we're looking at for real.
That's just forty five days after its theatrical debut. They're
trying to sell a narrative, yeah, that this movie hasn't
been that this movie hasn't been successful. They're trying to
convince you if you want to see it, don't go

(03:44:56):
to the theater because it's about to be released on
VOD and you can just hang out at home. Like,
I don't believe that's I don't believe it's going to
be August anything.

Speaker 1 (03:45:05):
No, no, not in August twenty six. I do think
that not far behind it is a good candidate, honestly,
like two to three months too really before you're able
to like, I think that is gonna end up being
where the sweet spot is for a minute, Like I
think there, I don't think there's much well over this way.
There for sure can be, and you might as well

(03:45:27):
keep it in theaters. But by the two month mark,
if you're watching this movie in the theater, you were
going to do that anyway, like you're going back to
watch it in a theater again, or you're doing so
and so, like you might do that, but I think
at that point you're you're just as well off releasing
the thing for purchase for thirty or thirty five dollars
a pop. And like, I don't, I don't think. I

(03:45:47):
think two months is a great spot to half that
landmark where the digital purchase is available and then yeah,
I'll ship you your steel book like a and a
half later.

Speaker 2 (03:45:54):
Or something mayhap, mayhap, I don't know. Like they're gonna
make a ton of money off that too. Oh yeah,
they're gonna make shit tons off of the VOD Like.

Speaker 1 (03:46:02):
Oh that's the that's the fuck up part about it.
It's like, if it's good enough movie, you're gonna have
people that'll buy it, have it there you know. I'm
gonna buy it day one just in case I want
to watch it wa get home. But actually I'm gonna
go watch it in the theater again because me and
my buddy that talked about it, and fuck, let's watch
it one more time before it gets out of theaters.

Speaker 2 (03:46:18):
I hate to say it, but man, I've been feeling
like I kind of need to go see it in IMAX.

Speaker 1 (03:46:25):
I don't even know if they're gonna have any more
showings of it, really, but well, I don't know how.
I've never looked at our schedule for IMAX.

Speaker 2 (03:46:31):
But yeah, I might be interested.

Speaker 1 (03:46:33):
I'd be interested. I might still end up going just
because exactly that situation. I might just end up with
somebody going.

Speaker 2 (03:46:39):
Hey, have you seen it yet? Yes? But have you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:46:43):
It's good enough excuse for me. I'll see you there.

Speaker 2 (03:46:45):
Man. Yeah, it says Birmingham, Alabama. There aren't any theaters
showing this movie near you. Shit, see Jesus.

Speaker 1 (03:46:52):
I know they do runs at IMAX. I don't know
how long they are.

Speaker 2 (03:46:54):
Oh well, oh well, I mean I didn't want to
spend the money anyway, and I'm definitely not going out
of town for it.

Speaker 1 (03:47:00):
That is that is also a good point. I've never
been to our REMX theater. I've also heard it's like
borderline sitting on top of a crane watching the side
of a gymnasium. I don't I don't know if it's
going to be uncomfortable or not. Orderline gives me anxiety
to think about.

Speaker 2 (03:47:16):
Yeah, that's fair, that's fair, All right, man. We are
out of news, we're out of feedback. We're at the
four hour and twenty seven a minute mark, heading right
into four hours and twenty eight minutes. So I think
it's time we opened up a new area of discussion.
I'm just kidding. I think we should go. I think
we should leave and just stop doing the show for

(03:47:39):
the night. And and yeah, that exactly that. Yeah, thank
you guys so much for listening. Patreon dot com slash
DC on screen is a great way to support us.
For a dollar a month, you get every episode added free,
but it's going to be five dollars a month if
you want all the exclusive stuff, all the exclusive episodes,

(03:48:02):
all these Marvel shows and movies and whatever reviews we're
talking about. The Fantastic four review we're gonna do. That's
gonna be either a five dollars a month situation, or
you can purchase just what you want for three dollars
an episode.

Speaker 1 (03:48:17):
The Ala Carte system Ala Carte, the new Ala Carte
system Ali Carte.

Speaker 2 (03:48:21):
But I'll tell you this, we do warm ups. We
had a lot of fun. We talked about some weird shit.
You never know what we're going to talk.

Speaker 1 (03:48:27):
Abutour and a half hour recording right now. God knows
the by the time that it hits there, it could
be three hide the rest on, bitch. I don't know. No,
we don't have the energy.

Speaker 2 (03:48:35):
I'm not editing all that up.

Speaker 1 (03:48:37):
There's just no chance of it. This is probably gonna
be cut about four minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:48:40):
You know, I've tried to do shit like that. But
like we bring up stuff, we like go circle back
around to it. It doesn't make many sense.

Speaker 1 (03:48:47):
Yeah, it make it doesn't Yeah, by the end of it,
it's just harder to get out than it.

Speaker 2 (03:48:50):
Is to keep it there. Yeah. So anyway, Uh yeah,
Patreon dot com you can also join for free and
just be a part of the community. And and uh
we have opened up all of our community lines or
community chats to the public whoever it wants to be
or the members, whether they be free members or or not.

Speaker 1 (03:49:10):
I like the community lines more. It's made it sound
like there was a row of operators.

Speaker 2 (03:49:14):
It does. It does sound like brought in to work
a night shift and Midge Maisle is there, like working
that switchboard. Yeah, and sometimes she does a comedy set,
takes off her top. Yeah. Yeah. A couple of them
have dreams, you know, nothing nothing like that on our Patreon,
but we'd love to see you there. And uh, Jesus Christ,

(03:49:34):
I don't know, I don't know what else, So I'm
gonna go. Jason, thank you for joining me on this episode.
As always, it was.

Speaker 1 (03:49:40):
It was a pleasure. I'll hit record next.

Speaker 2 (03:49:42):
Time, damn it. How many times? How many times am
I going to fall for that?

Speaker 1 (03:49:48):
Great practice?

Speaker 2 (03:49:49):
All right, y'all, thank you for listening. Until next time,
keep some DC on your screen, Mike,

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