September 8, 2025 • 43 mins
Superman
Superman’s Box Office Triumph & DCU Updates
The DC Universe is taking shape, and it all starts with Superman. The film has officially crossed $614 million worldwide, with $353M domestic (57.5%) and $260M international (42.5%). James Gunn has called the movie’s success the “biggest relief of his life” because if it hadn’t worked, the future of the entire DCU slate—from Supergirl to Lanterns—would have been in jeopardy.
Superman Box Office Update
James Gunn admitted that Superman’s success was critical for DC Studios:“If Superman didn’t work, I’m the head of DC Studios! What am I gonna do now? We have Supergirl, Peacemaker Season 2, Lanterns, Clayface—they’re all connected to this!”
Peacemaker
Superman’s Visit to the Peacemaker Set
A behind-the-scenes photo dated July 23, 2024 sparked speculation. David Corenswet appeared on the Peacemaker set in full Superman costume while James Gunn was splitting directing duties between Superman and Peacemaker Season 2. Fans believe this signals a direct connection between the two projects, with Superman potentially playing a meaningful role in Peacemaker Season 2. We disagree somewhat.
How Would Fleury See Hawkgirl?
Fans asked James Gunn online what Fleury might think of Hawkgirl. His playful response:“I think he’d wonder what’s wrong with her head and wouldn’t really know.”
Yes the Grammar Fuck Up Was Intentional
James Gunn confirmed that the infamous “Your the best” typo was intentional, sparking fan discussion. He also joked about Harcourt’s “Thirstcourt” side in her texts, keeping his trademark banter alive.
Clayface
Clayface – Gotham City Map Easter Eggs
A leaked Gotham City Transit Authority map revealed nods to Batman lore: Arkham Asylum, Ace Chemical, the Iceberg Lounge, Blackgate Penitentiary, Gotham Knights sporting complex, Wayne-owned buildings, Kane Estate, and Kane Memorial Bridge. Fans debated similarities to real-world Manhattan maps (like Hell’s Kitchen).
Man of Tomorrow – Superman Sequel Announced
James Gunn confirmed Man of Tomorrow hits theaters July 9, 2027, almost exactly two years after Superman. Gunn clarified:
The Man of Tomorrow announcement drew reactions from DC stars and creators:
When asked about Lois Lane’s role in Man of Tomorrow, Gunn confirmed:“She’s important.”
Very, Very Connected
Gunn reassured fans that while projects can be enjoyed independently, Peacemaker Season 2 and Man of Tomorrow are “very, very connected”—a key part of the DCU’s shared storytelling.
The Batman Epic Crime Saga
Colin Farrell, who reprises his Penguin role, called The Batman Part II screenplay “extraordinary.” He expressed doubts about a second season of The Penguin, preferring perhaps to leave the story as-is rather than risk diminishing it.
DCTea – DC Studios Project UpdatesUpcoming projects are at varying stages of development:
In the DCU, A.R.G.U.S. now means Advanced Research Group of The United States, shifting emphasis from “uniting superheroes” to keeping them in check.
The Canonicity of Welcome to Metropolis Book
James Gunn confirmed the Welcome to Metropolis prequel novel is not canon, emphasizing that only filmed media counts as official
Superman’s Box Office Triumph & DCU Updates
The DC Universe is taking shape, and it all starts with Superman. The film has officially crossed $614 million worldwide, with $353M domestic (57.5%) and $260M international (42.5%). James Gunn has called the movie’s success the “biggest relief of his life” because if it hadn’t worked, the future of the entire DCU slate—from Supergirl to Lanterns—would have been in jeopardy.
Superman Box Office Update
- Domestic box office: $353,302,360
- International box office: $260,800,000
- Worldwide total: $614,102,360
This breakdown shows how crucial U.S. audiences remain for superhero films, even as international numbers grow.
- Superman has an 8-week profit margin of about $125 million.
- It is the seventh-highest grossing film of the year.
- By comparison Man of Steel's profit margin was $42.7 million.
- We explain why domestic is still more profitable to studios than international.
James Gunn admitted that Superman’s success was critical for DC Studios:“If Superman didn’t work, I’m the head of DC Studios! What am I gonna do now? We have Supergirl, Peacemaker Season 2, Lanterns, Clayface—they’re all connected to this!”
Peacemaker
Superman’s Visit to the Peacemaker Set
A behind-the-scenes photo dated July 23, 2024 sparked speculation. David Corenswet appeared on the Peacemaker set in full Superman costume while James Gunn was splitting directing duties between Superman and Peacemaker Season 2. Fans believe this signals a direct connection between the two projects, with Superman potentially playing a meaningful role in Peacemaker Season 2. We disagree somewhat.
How Would Fleury See Hawkgirl?
Fans asked James Gunn online what Fleury might think of Hawkgirl. His playful response:“I think he’d wonder what’s wrong with her head and wouldn’t really know.”
Yes the Grammar Fuck Up Was Intentional
James Gunn confirmed that the infamous “Your the best” typo was intentional, sparking fan discussion. He also joked about Harcourt’s “Thirstcourt” side in her texts, keeping his trademark banter alive.
Clayface
Clayface – Gotham City Map Easter Eggs
A leaked Gotham City Transit Authority map revealed nods to Batman lore: Arkham Asylum, Ace Chemical, the Iceberg Lounge, Blackgate Penitentiary, Gotham Knights sporting complex, Wayne-owned buildings, Kane Estate, and Kane Memorial Bridge. Fans debated similarities to real-world Manhattan maps (like Hell’s Kitchen).
Man of Tomorrow – Superman Sequel Announced
James Gunn confirmed Man of Tomorrow hits theaters July 9, 2027, almost exactly two years after Superman. Gunn clarified:
- It’s not titled Superman 2, just Man of Tomorrow.
- The film will explore Superman and Lex Luthor’s relationship, with Nicholas Hoult’s Luthor donning the green-and-purple Warsuit.
- Speculation: Possible villains may be Bizarro, Brainiac, or Zod.
- Gunn emphasized his collaborative writing process and ongoing rewrites.
The Man of Tomorrow announcement drew reactions from DC stars and creators:
- Isabela Merced (Hawkgirl): “See You Soooon”
- Aaron Pierre (John Stewart): “Yes, Indeed!” 💚
- Dan Slott: cryptically thrilled, “For reasons I can’t mention…”
- Grant Gustin: ❗❗
- Brandon Routh: ❤️🙌
When asked about Lois Lane’s role in Man of Tomorrow, Gunn confirmed:“She’s important.”
Very, Very Connected
Gunn reassured fans that while projects can be enjoyed independently, Peacemaker Season 2 and Man of Tomorrow are “very, very connected”—a key part of the DCU’s shared storytelling.
The Batman Epic Crime Saga
Colin Farrell, who reprises his Penguin role, called The Batman Part II screenplay “extraordinary.” He expressed doubts about a second season of The Penguin, preferring perhaps to leave the story as-is rather than risk diminishing it.
DCTea – DC Studios Project UpdatesUpcoming projects are at varying stages of development:
- Man of Tomorrow (next DC movie)
- The Batman Part II
- Booster Gold, Wonder Woman, Paradise Lost, The Authority (somewhat change), Brave & the Bold — all in progress.
In the DCU, A.R.G.U.S. now means Advanced Research Group of The United States, shifting emphasis from “uniting superheroes” to keeping them in check.
The Canonicity of Welcome to Metropolis Book
James Gunn confirmed the Welcome to Metropolis prequel novel is not canon, emphasizing that only filmed media counts as official
Mark as Played
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome into DC on Screen. I am your host, David C. Robertson.
This is my co host Jason Goss.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
As promised, we have a news episode here for you,
and kind of a big one. Some big stuff came down.
It's impactful.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's dense.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I don't know about that, but clorically lean, it's more
like just like one big toft somewhere in the middle,
and then the rest of it's pretty thin. Yeah, I'll
say that. Let's look at the Superman box office real quick.
Domestic three hundred and fifty three million, three hundred and
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two thousand, three hundred and sixty. International still not doing great,
two hundred and sixty million, eight hundred thousand, and the
worldwide though is made it up to six hundred and
fourteen million, one hundred and two thousand, three hundred and sixty.
The movie's doing really well. I just you know, man,
I wish it had done a little bit better internationally.
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I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I don't think it's the time for that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It might not be. I mean, look, internationally, things are
things are tough, yeah, and that's important to remember.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think it did fine for what that did,
fine enough even as it stands, But it could have
done better. Yeah, over in a different in a different time,
maybe it would have.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
In a different time, it would have absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Maybe in there just for the hell of it, but
it definitely would have.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. Hey, Dave here reporting in from early Monday, September eighth.
News just came down from Variety that James Gunn's Superman
generated about one hundred and twenty five million dollars in
profit margins for wb in just over eight weeks since
its debut. It is the seventh highest grossing of the
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year for any movie, trailing Niza I, Leelo, and Stitch
a Minecraft movie, among others. Deadline is reporting the same
profit margin of about one hundred and twenty five million
for Superman, but they also apparently did the math and
are reporting that twenty thirteen's Man of Steel earned a
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profit of forty two point seven million by comparison. Now,
one of the primary factors in that being Superman's much
higher domestic total. From a studios perspective, domestic box office
revenue is often seen as quote unquote better because studios
typically keep a larger share of the gross avoid complications
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with exchange rates. There's also a thing where the domestic
consumer base is apparently consistently one with a higher disposable
income for entertainment compared to international markets. At the moment,
domestic market offers more predictable financial returns and easier logistical oversight.
So that's the news. That's the news will come down,
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whether you like it or lump it or disbelieve it.
I love both Superman and Men of Steel, so it
don't matter to me back to it, but yeah, it was.
It was a success. We heard Gun was on Chris
Hardwick's podcast What is that called Again? I didn't even
write it down, but I was like, surely I'll remember that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'll pipe in I think you're overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
There you go, I think you're overthinking it. That's the phrase,
the way the Gun described it. Superman's success was the
biggest relief of my life. If Superman didn't work on
the head of DC Studios, what am I going to
do now? We have Supergirl coming out next year, we
have Peacemaker season two coming out. I've got lanterns. They're
all connected to this. We have Clean Face where I'm
about to start shooting, which they are shooting now, it
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was like, what the heck was I gonna do if
it didn't go well? But yeah, it did do well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah. I like the sense of the underlying sense of
possible despair there. I can and got behind that. I
would have been as transparent as he's generally been so far.
I would have been very curious to see if this
thing had made like three hundred million total right now
and had some major plot problem that everyone didn't get
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it along with, and like it just just had kind
of not just done fifty percent of what this is.
I would love to have seen what the transparency would
have showed us in that capacity.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, you know, we did report on it. He had
that interview. Maybe it was an interview or maybe it
was a threads I can't keep track now, but it
was a little while ago where they were like, oh,
what happens if Superman doesn't make doesn't do well? And
he was like, what do you mean We're not just
going to keep making movies? They've got to do well? Yeah,
(04:41):
I mean was he was very blunt about that, What do.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You mean They're just going to keep spitting these things
out like shit? It would have been an interesting time
to see and God probably probably interesting but painful to watch, Like, okay, well,
how do we all?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No one liked this part, Like what the hell is
he gonna do with that? I mean, this movie was
about to be ready, and I just wondered. Also, if
he would have gone quiet for a while, probably wouldn't
blame him.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, I mean, this is why we had all these
reports of him testing the movie and testing the movie.
Superman is hard to get right. Oh yeah, It's such
an obvious thing. It's such a it's the thing that
you think, you how could you fuck it up? But
it is such an obvious thing to fuck up, or
such an easy thing to fuck up, it gets deceptively difficult.
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Everyone has their slight take or their twist on Superman
that everyone else disagrees on, you know, like, yeah, Superman
is this? Yes, yes, everyone says yes, Superman is this?
Everyone says yes, Superman is this? Whoa whoa whoa? And
I feel like everyone has that.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh yeah, I mean this was a pretty traditional take.
And there's still people deeply upset about a few things that,
you know, the Krypton heritage. That's gonna be the highlight
reel of people that took issue with things.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, or he's too weak or he's you know which
I get, he's.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Eighty percent power or less.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, he was too weak. He was too weak. Oh,
I mean, I get it. You have some specific needs for
your power fantasy.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, how do you think genuinely the story would have
done if it was just cast with a relatively well
known actor. They did, okay, you do a quick story
about you do a few five minutes about Krypton. There's
a story about him getting a job at the planet.
He meets his two new friends, he starts dating Lewis.
Some Brainiac comes in the meantime. He reveals himself as
Superman as he goes and saves the day because he's
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strong enough to beat up Brainiac. Right, Like, nothing crazy,
just just a normal fucking like origin story issue. I mean,
it would do okay, right, Like it would be okay, Yeah,
but I don't think anyone would care that much. But
I do wonder if a f o K would be
kind of like great in a way, like, oh man,
you did absolutely nothing crazy and I got to see
and be up some stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You get jobs. It's also, yeah, it's just so difficult
because it's like I feel like, even as a DC
fan and as a Superman fan, like, I don't know
the number of Superman figures that are staring at me
right now. I have so much Superman stuff in this
in this office. Admittedly not as much as Batman, but
I've got so much fucking Superman in this office looking
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at me. And look, I even I am going, eh,
I've seen Superman movies. I feel like I'm I'm you know,
I'll go see it, but I feel like I'm I
kind of know what's going on gonna happen, it's Superman. Like,
I feel like the general audience goes, yeah, I've seen
a Superman movie. I don't need to see this.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I feel like this is a real sentiment. And most people,
I also think, have an idea of whether or not
they like Superman already. They're like, yeah, I've always I've
always liked Batman. As if you can't like both, ah,
they can't Batman.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
They can't. As we talk, there's like a generational spot
where there's a whole group of people hold almost a
generation of people that think that Superman is either like
Moby or kind of mean. I guess maybe maybe, And
then like, at the very least a bit hokey, because
I can only remember like my dad liking that seventy
eight thing, just just not super impressed with the idea
as it stands. Yeah, the glimpses they've seen in their lifetime.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You he's either a corny pansy or he's a MOPy asshole.
And you know, I don't. I don't look at so whatever.
It was funny like I did because of some the
news that we're gonna be talking about in here in
a little bit. The sequel, the proper sequel, Man of Steel.
I guess it's the proper sequel. I don't know what
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the fuck anymore. I don't know how to feel about
that follow up follow up, as I think the term
gun is using Man of Tomorrow. It's coming out sequel,
Yeah he has, even though he said it wasn't, but
now he said, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Know's it's a Schrodingder sequel. Shit.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sure peacemakers are real sick. Yeah, that's the thing. Anyway. Ah,
I've seen a lot of people like celebrating the fact that, like,
oh man, this seque was coming out on like the
same year Batman Part two is coming out and they're
just like, Batman's gonna fucking kill Superman. Fuck Superman, And
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I'm like, it's the same studio, y'all, Like they're gonna
win no matter what.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, that's a weird, made up competition to care about.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean they, dude, these fans have been caring about
that competition forever, like Batman or Superman. Batman are Superman
my entire geek life and longer. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I just mean, even when you care about two things,
those aren't too equal things to be judging at all.
They're it's weird to care just enough to know to
compare those and then do it that poorly. Mm hmm.
I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean I have literally seen people saying like,
fuck Gun, Batman is gonna mop the floor with his
Superman and I'm like, Gun will be happy Man Part
two wins if Yeah, I'm sure it will. I'm sure
it will. It'll probably make a billion dollars just fucking
Batman in part two.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Like a lot of people are gonna be just on
the hook for it no matter what he does, and
as long as he didn't fuck up a trailer or
two or nothing. Weird happens before you can probably sail
into what at least half a billion?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah easy. I mean we don't know exactly what twenty
twenty seven is gonna look like theatrically, Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Sure, but just doing far as projections from here, that's
where I'll put it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, all right, let's let's let's headed some actual news here. Peacemaker. Uh,
there was a there was a photo and people are
trying to figure out what it means. Corn Sweat posted
this photo of himself in the Peacemaker set, and uh,
it is clearly like Chris Smith is seen as wearing
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the outfit he's wearing in episode three and four. Hm,
his alternate universe, Like whatever that is that it looks
like a Guido or something.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, it's a very rough war drobe they.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He looks like he's on Jersey Shore or something. I
don't know he's So that's the timeframe story wise. But
Corn Sweat is in his Superman costume and it was
filmed or the picture of a shot July twenty third,
twenty twenty four. Superman and Peace Piccker season two were
filming at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Are people worried about this?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
People are trying to yeah, people are trying to figure
out like if it means that he popped over to
Peacemaker to play Superman.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
No, they're both just filming in the same set of
hangers in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, that's that's That's how I took.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
It, like they the easy explanation, just the easy off
the top one is they filmed like literally in the
same spot those they were taking lunch breaks together. And
they've already told us that three and four were filmed
at the same time that Superman was filmed. Mm hmmm,
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So like we already knew that was a thing from
weeks ago when they were talking about and then they
had to go back and film like episodes one and
two after it because we again, we already covered all
that And then I think the only reason.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That you and I didn't cover it, well.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I just mean we've already talked about that on in
the in the community. I guess it's still but yeah,
like we I think think me and you had separately anyway, but.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You and you and I may have talked about it,
I don't think I actually ever put it in a
show note and talked about it on the show.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That may be true, though, I think It's been tread
on somewhere at least though, but it just would make
more sense, like, yeah, they just sort of put us
did that picture after the episode with him and that sure.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Aired, Yeah, which is all I took it as like
people are making a whole like conspiracy theories out of
this thing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Could just be that simple.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I wouldn't be shocked of Corn. So what was in
Face Maker?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I mean not a bit, but I think he would
have been in episode three four.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Range, so like, well, we haven't seen four yet.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean we're coming up on it now.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Look if if if, if, if the alternate universe is
Earth X. I've seen some people saying, like, what if
Corn Sweat shows up as like Nazi Superman or whatever.
I don't think Gun's gonna be reaching for that one yet.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
No, it's a whole wardrobe change while he's trying to
do Superman.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well maybe it is, maybe it is. You know, you
can you don't actually have to do, like I don't know,
overt Nazism. You don't have to have, like, you know,
swastikas on every street corner and a swastika on Superman's chest.
You can just be a little more right, wingy.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You can, I mean, you can't just do it some dialogue.
But like, but to not do that, I'm gonna have
to bat costume designers away with the broom.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Dude. I'm seeing I'm seeing some theories on online that
are crazy, Like people are going off, They're like, oh
my god, this is the bizarro universe that they created
in the first Superman This. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It doesn't have to be that complicated yet.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I do want to get through episode four and just
make sure, but I don't have super high expectations of
him showed up here.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Right, you know. Also, it's perfectly plausible or possible that,
you know, I don't think they'll they'll do it yet,
but you know, he just got back to prime reality.
He's running around, they're you know, they're chasing him. They've
shown up at his house. You know, Superman could just
show up and help him. I don't think he will
because it seems like they're kind of building the alternate
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reality as Peacemaker's new drug.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be his escape for a seconds.
Just looked at this picture. He's got blood on him,
like this is after the this is yeah, I mean
they've been like a fight, like during the hostage scene here.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, that reads too much into it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That just looks like a couple guys taking a picture
while Johnsone is dressed funny mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Someone asked James Gun how would Fleury sees hot girl?
This is the character Langston Fleury who has a bird
blindness on Peacemaker played by Tim Meadows. James gunn okay,
So they asked him, what do you think would happen
if Fleury saw hot girl? Would he call her duck girl?
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Gun says, I think he'd wonder what's wrong with her
head and wouldn't really know. And here's what for you,
Gun says, Yes, Peacemaker wrote you're the best, and yes
it was intentional. Oh, okay, the grammatic fuck up was intentional,
he says. People are commenting a lot on that, Yeah,
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but not on car Court being way more or more
than a little thirsty in her text. And then he
started referring to her as thirst Court. So alternate alternate
Hardcourt is thirst Court.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, they were using that name on set. I guess
just because she's super into getting the relationship started back.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, he actually tagged Jennifer Holland and said, do you
think Hardcourt has a thirst court inside just waiting to
come out? And she responded, if so, she has stuffed
it down pretty deep. Yeah, over to clay face. Did
you see this Gotham City map? No, so they're shooting
and there's this Gotham City map and they made a
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bunch of them. Like it's like as if it's like
for the tourism, you know, district, and they've got like
pamphlets with the map of the city and everything, and
you know a lot of it's just like they have
like the tiny little tags at the end that just
has all of the lists, the numbered listings of places.
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And we've got like Arkham Asylum and as Chemical and
the Iceberg Lounge and Blackgate Penitentiary, a sporting complex with
the the Knights, lots of Wayne Empire buildings. There's also
a Cane Estate, a Cane Memorial bridge. And one thing
that's got everyone tackles up is that one of the
places is Crime Alley. And they're like this is for
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fucking tourism, Like you're not gonna call a place crime Alley.
And in my head I'm like, well, why the fuck wouldn't.
You don't want tourists go into crime Alley and thinking
they're safe.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No, you make it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You don't want to be like, hey, here's park Row
and then they're like, oh, that sounds nice, and then
you get there and like you're murdered. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I assume it's kind of like you name stuff in
New Orleans haunted streets or like, uh, you know there's
Jack the Ripper sites. Right, I assume it's like that
we're just glor glorifying a gory point in the history.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Crime alley before it's crime alley because the park so
it is something, and then they start calling it. It
does take on a new personality as a street afterward.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right. Here's the thing though, because the people have like
just been angry as hell shitting on this. By the way, first, first,
this map is probably not gonna be cannon as far
as like they're not gonna like take the map and
put it up to the camera and be like, you know,
clay Face is not gonna be like I'm gonna go
to crime Alley. Damn it. You know that's not gonna happen.
That's not gonna fucking happen. This is probably for people
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on set who are just having fun with it. No
two to the people who are like, they would not
call this park road crime Alley on their fucking map.
Someone did actually like take pictures of a real Manhattan
map and it said Hell's Kitchen on it, like it
had the like I think it was like Clinton, and
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then it was like parentheses Hell's Kitchen underneath it. That
won't surprise me, but that's how people know it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's not shocking.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
There's not a New York City. There's not a fucking
New New Jersey. I don't think like all these big
cities that we have in our world don't exist in
James Gun's DCU, he's already said that. Yeah, instead of
New York, he we got Metropolis. Instead of New Jersey,
we've got Gotham.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Fine, fine, I kind of like that, though I don't
think we've ever played with just actually getting rid of
the city's never meant to replace anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
There is no need for it technically, just go for it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I mean, in early Batman comics, he was in New York.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wasn't New York?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah? And then quickly after it changed to Gotham City lovely.
Alrighty Man of Tomorrow. All right, let's actually talk about
this thing. James Gunn posted a picture. It was a
drawing of Jim from Jim Lee of David Cordon Sweats
Superman holding a screwdriver and he's standing next to Lex
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Luthor in the green and purple armored So, I guess
not a prototype. Why I keep saying prototype, it's not
that it's walking, it's his armored suit, famously, and probably.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Because there's a screwdriver nearby, and it feels like it's
not finished.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, but he's got the screwdriver. And importantly though Superman
has the screwdriver, hm, which makes me feel like Superman
is using some kind of Kryptonian technology or at the
very in some way helping Lex. I mean Lex has
been taken to prison. But Corn Sweat and Nicholas Holt
also shared drawings, one by Jorge Jimenez and one by
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Mitch Garrett's the Humenez. Great choices, Great choices. The Humenez,
it looks like they're fighting side by side, and the
Mitch looks like Superman is fighting Lex. I think we're
looking at the progression of their relationship in the movie.
I think there will be a threat Lex will offer
to help Superman will hope that that means, because he's
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got all the hope in humanity. Sure, he's like, fuck it,
we need Lex, Lex. I believe you're gonna do something
great for humanity. I need your help. You're smarter than me.
And uh, and they're gonna they're gonna try to do
something together. They're gonna fight together to fight off whatever
the bad guy is of the movie. And then of
course inevitable betrayal. Yes, absolutely, I think that's what we're
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looking at all right.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
The other option is that it's we let some time
pass and we find out that Superman has been basically
kind of trying to be a friend in this entire
like trying to visiting him every week kind of thing.
Mm hmm, and then they actually are friendly by this point,
and then for some reason he just betrays him anyway afterward,
Like there's a there's gonna be a second catalyst that
turns it back. Mm hmm. But I only have one, Uh,
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to have one major prediction. Don't throw out there. Sure, Uh,
the screw driver just makes me think would be fun.
But I think it would be fun to build the
mech suit out of some of the dead robots that
he helped create out in the Fortress.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That is kind of funny. I think it's seeing as
how in the last movie he just gave them, gave
one of them a fucking name. I think it would
be grotesque.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, okay, maybe not completely recnnibalized, but but but also
a little bit like they were able to rebuild that one.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It like that ship in Serenity where they have to
use the dead from the rev attack and strap them
to their fucking ships so the revers think they're one
of them.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like, uh, I'm feeling like I want to go back
a couple of steps from the grotesqurea of that, but
right somewhere in the vicinity of getting to recycle some
of the dead robots into the suit, yeah, at least
some vibe of just like, well, this technology is not
gonna be able to be you know what we could
do with it though.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, So whether he does or not use Supermans some
of Superman's tech, uh, and he might you know, he
also he is Lex Luthor. He had the engineer go
in and you know, download a bunch of shit he
probably has a bunch of Kryptonian technology somewhere anyway, mm
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hmm that they've reverse engineered.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Either way, That's why I like it being the box though,
is there. It'll be symbolic. He could do this a
lot of ways. Mm hmm. It'll be like he destroyed
those things, the a hell of a gift to come,
you know, make him a suit to help him fight with.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, maybe I think there will be some Kryptonian element
to it. I just I don't know what exactly to
make of the screwdriver, except that maybe Superman is helping
him with it in some way. But you know, Lex
did have he has all the Raptor suits, which are
prototypes for the for the battle armor that he uses later,
I would assume, and he also has the battle armor
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that Ultraman is wearing as the Hammer of Bravio.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He's not wanting for technology.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He's not wanting for tech who although he.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Did need Ultraman's power to really make that suit, yeah
competitive with Superman mm hmm. So, and then the Raptor's
got torn to shred, so he's not there yet.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, he's not, which makes me think, and that's kind
of what I've been getting leaning towards here. Do you
think whoever they're fighting will be Kryptonian?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Hmm, No, No, no, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So We've got we've got a loose thread from Bizarro
hanging around or not Bizarro, but super Clone Ultra Man
who fell into a black hole and might actually wind
up with some sort of cubed Earth situation going on. Possibly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, But also I just realized how easy that would
be for him to do as an animated series with
Corn Sweat doing the voiceover, since apparently he was doing
the mm hmm voiceover anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But also, you know Superman the animated series Brainiac is
from Krypton.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, there are versions where it's Kryptonian.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I I don't think Kryptoni had hurt them because.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He's just a non factor for him.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, but you know, I don't think they have Kryptonite
per se, but it could go General's odway anyway. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, actually, so one thing about this planet is aunt
a little factor into how you'd bet, because if I
was my bet right now would be no. Just just
on the fact that gun Is opened the field up
so much that I don't think you can go back
to Krypton necessarily for just he wouldn't just one planet
versus the universe. I'd just say, no, there's no Kryptonite
on this Earth.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
That's right so far as far as they know, As
far as they know.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
As far as they know, they get rid of it
all or well how they put it somewhere in that meeting,
they say, as far as we know, there was none left. Yeah,
it's supposed to be a planet devoid of it, and
right except for when I guess Metamorpho wants to yeah happened,
or metas can make this happen, or I guess them
can still appear. It'll still be in universe, but not
on the planet.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
They just don't know about it. It could still show up.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, nobody's going swimming in the Caspian Sea and popping
up with giant weird rock that we're gonna crack open
on the beach.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Mm hm. So yeah, I'm just curious what they're gonna
do with that. What's this big threat that's gonna happen,
that's gonna make Lex and Superman work together?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Origin? I don't know. I still like Brandiac though.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, how much do you want to bet Man up tomorrow?
Is in reference to Lex and not Superman.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Oh very much my first thought when I saw that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I combine that also with how he keeps being coy
about saying that it's a movie. It's not Superman too.
He says, just Superman's a big deal. Yeah, he's I
think he wants to make a Lex Luthor movie where
Superman is the main, the main secondary the entire time,
and the manitos about Lex being the man that he
could be if he'd get out of his own fucking way.
And the reason I like Branniac also is because all
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that envy and all that blah blah blah, like Lex
versus actual twelfth level intellect is another game entirely. It's
not brains versus brawn this time, it's actual brains versus brains. Yeah,
with his new buddy Superman in tow.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That would be that would be interesting. He's like, no,
I'm smarter, I'm supposed to be. Like they set it
up in this movie too, because he says, braun Ah,
I mean brain always beats Braun. Well, what happens when
fucking BRAINIACX chows up?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah? Like I would love in this new one. I'd
love it to be Superman who kind of goes like,
hey man, so I'm not going to get this done.
Do you know? Have you seen this dude? And then
like Lex, it's got to be me and you man.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, and he has to he has to do the
Lex armor, uh, so that he has the braun to
match his brain.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah. Yeah, although I would it would it would make
you want to know, like, well, where's mister Terrific in here?
Because he's he's right there. I don't know where this
universe actually has him with Lex intellectually, Yeah, I don't know.
I mean on screen, he's obviously goddamn mister Terrific and
he did fix that thing very quickly for someone who
just walked up to a terminal, you know, for the
first time. Mm hmm. He's clearly in competition, But don't
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enough that the film did not rank them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well I guess it did though, because it keeps saying
Lex and Galileo, like, yeah, I don't think they actually
compared those two in general, except that this Lex says
his name alongside like Galileo. He didn't stop and say
like me and mister Terrific and Galileo.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Like mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah,
I don't certainly don't remember any kind of ranking.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
No, this guy like this terrific is not gonna be
the braggart that lexays those.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Now with this announcement, we've had some interesting people responding
to James. We have Isabella Merced, who plays a hot girl.
She shared the post to her stories with the cap
should see you soon, and then Aaron Pierre responded with
yes indeed and a green heart. Comic book writer Dan
Slott says, for reasons quote unquote, I can't mention this
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title makes me so happy, can't wait m hm, And
everyone kind of freaked out because Grant Gustin responded with
two big red exclamation points, and everyone freaked out so
hard though that they didn't know the notice that Brandon
Routh also responded with big red hearts and praise hands. Right,
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So those guys responding don't mean nothing, y'all.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
No. I do think Isabella and Aaron are probably in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, but I don't. We don't have to take the
other guys on board. They probably just figured out, like
learned who Donslot was a while back, and are still
familiar with him enough to be excited about that for everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh no, they were just responding to James Gunn. All
of them were just responding to James Gunn.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh god, yeah, no, oh god, that's even easier, yeah,
Jesus Christ, Yeah sorry, yeah, yeah, my god.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Over on thread, someone said, James, how much a role
as low as play and Man of Tomorrow? James says,
she's important.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
This person on thread says, hey, there are some weird
concerns about this rrated DCU project, talking about Peacemaker shouldn't
be the main direct tie in to the main share
arc with Superman and Man of Tomorrow, which is obviously PG. Thirteen.
And you have said it many times that you don't
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have to watch Peacemaker season two to understand Superman or
Man of Tomorrow. Correct, Like shared universe aspects are just
more context to that individual story. And gun responds, that's right,
as I've said countless times. You can watch every project
by itself, of course, just like you can watch Peacemaker
by itself or watch Superman without seeing Creature Commandos. But
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Man of Tomorrow and Peacemaker season two are very very connected.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, hey, yeah, that cou's it but it's still not
going to necessarily break the rule.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Let's yeah, I don't think it will.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
The next PG thirteen outing you'll probably just do a
couple of exposition dumps to catch up for whatever it
is in the R or in this case, m A
that you maybe didn't catch. That's not going to be
that difficult, though. We don't have to worry about it
that hard.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
What that means yet. He also has refused to show
the press those same episodes or anyone outside of just
like the people working on.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It, well, six and eight or the last three episodes,
I should say, six, seven and eight.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Whatever's happening in a couple episodes is. I don't even
know what to expect at this point. He keeps building
it as just incredibly wild and it's gonna have to
do with this new universe or this new movie. I
don't know what the what the fuck is going on yet.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I haven't seen specifically that episodes six through eight are
specifically tied in with Manam Tomorrow, but it does seem
like he just he definitely didn't want it to be spoiled. Yeah,
whatever that is. But something through in Peacemaker season two
ties in with Man of Tomorrow A lot. That's all
we know. We don't know that it's specifically six through eight.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
No, no, no, I just keep thinking. I just keep leaning
that way. But just because that's the thing that he
keeps wanting, he keeps that under wraps. Whatever it is
that's happening in a few episodes he doesn't want to
tell yet.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Right over to the Batman epic crime saga. Colin Ferrell
has read the script for The Batman Part two. He
says the screenplay is extraordinary. Addressing the possibility of Penguin
season two, he says, I have no idea if it's happening.
I know that I heard rumblings that they were thinking
they'd like to do a second season, But I don't
know if it's a good idea. I don't know the
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way you go. I don't know the way you go
back to the trough, And part of me wants to
go just let it go. People, we got away with it,
leave it as it is. Yeah, I get that sentiment.
I kind of feel it, like I don't. I'm like,
I'm I don't necessarily want Peacemakers, not peace bakers. Penguin
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season two.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I don't have to. I want to see where things
land after Batman too. M hm, see where my appetite
is for poultry after that.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah. I could also do like a Riddler limited series
or a joke or a limited series or any any
or no limited series at all, Like I'm good, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
A huge, huge, huge drain and misstep at this point
to be like, you know what we're gonna do instead
of another Batman movie?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I think they just need to go ahead and
wrap the fucking thing up. Yeah, anyway, you know what
time it is. I have time for that DCT.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I got in the habit to take a sip. Now
it covers up when I need to. I just do
it like a human.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, not like a me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I do it like a human that has a microphone
in front of it too.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, I do it. I also do it like a
human who has a microphone in front of him, just
an obnoxious ass human.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, mine has a period has an exclamation.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
So we have project updates. We may have talked about
it in the previous news episode, but just to quickly
run it down as Gunn described it in I think
you're overthinking it the Chris Hardwick Podcast. The next movie
is Man of Tomorrow, the next movie to shoot, I mean,
but hopefully with Batman two before it. There's an unknown
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TV show next. There is a lot of different stuff
in stages. Brave of the Bold is going well. He
mentioned Wonder Woman in Paradise, Loss and Booster. Then he
says some of the things have changed a little bit,
and he says the authority. So it's not saying the
authority is the one that is canceled. We know that
they killed a project. I don't think it's the authority
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because he says the authority has changed a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
He did. Now that you tell me that, I wonder
if that stat I wonder if they killed it before.
And then even the kill order stopped and has now
gotten back into like we didn't kill it, but we
changed it a lot. So now I'm wondering if it's
two or the same, and we're just we keep statusing.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
But yeah, I mean, I don't know, man, I don't know.
Not a clue, all right. So on threads, Gun shared
a picture of the dcu's argus logo that reveals that
the acronym stands for Advanced Research Group of the United States.
When a fan asked why it was changed from the
source material, Gun had a sound explanation, Well, it's not
the first time it's been changed. But in the DCU
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they aren't so much uniting superheroes as they are attempting
to keep them in check. And in the comics August
stands for Advanced Research Group, uniting superhumans would not be
what they're doing here.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Good point, good point. This universe is currently not in
like a super I don't know, I don't know. Some
people are very into them, some people very much hate
them superhumans.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. So someone asked, so
the Welcome to Metropolis prequel novel isn't cannon or was
that an exception? And James Gunn says it is not canon. No,
are old friends do Little the Little Ya noble? Yeah,
little Ya novel.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Ah, that's funny. That's a shame.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Mm hmmm. Our old buddy Stu Little asked James Gunns.
You decided your Superman movie didn't need to cover his
origin or debut and a great effect, but would you
have any problem with it if DC wanted to produce
comics to tell such stories, And gun says even with
me and our guy Phil, whose job it is to
keep it all together on Cannon and the DCU, with
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multiple films and TV shows, it is still hard to
keep track of. Adding comics at this time would be
too much for the team, for the lean dc team.
So right now nothing is canon outside of the filmed media.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's fair. I think that's also he's trying to do
it respectful. Mm hmmm, I don't. I don't think he's
just gonna put out a ship win and be like, oh, yeah,
it's not canon.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah. Someone on threads says, with all the childhood characters
you've been using, is the question available? I heard some
time ago on a Kevin Smith podcast that there were
rights issues around that character, and I'm hoping that's all
cleared up. Gun responds, No, he's ours one of my
faves like it. I love that the question is one
of his faves. We've talked about it before, he's mentioned
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this before. I mentioned it every time he mentions it
because I love the question and I want it. I
want to see that we're in my life.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, I need the.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Answer to the question. It's funny. So the Crater guy
that's just did weapons and he needed barbarian. Okay, you
remember we talked about him having this Joker and Harley movie.
That is what the press is calling it a Joker
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and Harley movie, but it's really a movie about a
Hinch and Joker and Harley are kind of in there.
For a minute. He was doing an appearance on Double Toasted,
and he says, this is getting blown out of proportion online.
It is not a Joker in Harley script. I've not
talked to James Gunn about it. I have two films
in front of me. People have written a lot about
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it online and not much of it is true. He does.
He does say that like he's still passionate about it.
He still wants to make it someday. But yeah, this
is all things we talked about on the podcast weeks ago. Yeah,
everything I just said I said weeks ago, except for
the part where he was on Double Toasted. I'm telling you, though,
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like he has said, it's the same thing we said
weeks ago. This is not It was not a Harley
Joker movie. It was a Henchman movie. It was a
movie about a guy who was just moving around in
the underworld. It's his favorite thing he's ever written, but
he hasn't pitched it. We even said that part that's
where it God, but I have I've been seeing all
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the stories, all the stories like Joker Weapons director has
a Joker and Hurley movie or the works.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
He doesn't No, I mean, yeah, it was when he
was writing a treatment or whatever, but it's over now.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well I don't think it was. It was never in
the works. He wrote it because he wanted to write it,
and it just has never pitched.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
It, I know. I just mean the press that, like
the present tense part of that seems like it's on
more of a stall, even if it was ever going
to be called that.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Mmm.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
So this is the So the trend this week really
is just over excitement.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I mean, no, no, Man of Tomorrow is a pretty
exciting prospect.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well I know, but short of short of like the
major cool man Man of Tomorrow, A lot of the
major hubbub has just been getting a little carried away
with things sometimes.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean, the excitement lends itself to getting over excitedly,
over overly excited about things. In one of those week
names pop up. But I really wanted to really wanted
to talk about Madam Tomorrow and we did that, and
I'm out of news. Yeah, and I'm out of energy
because I'm a bit under the weather today and not
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feeling great.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's fair too, so.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I think I'm gonna call it, if that's all right
with you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Makes sense, makes sense. The I love how these things
come up and down to like we'll we'll have a
week or two like this where a lot of what
we end up talking about is just reflections of things,
and then yeah, we'll turn around in a couple weeks
and something will pop off. Yeah, it'd be so much
we can't even get to the weirdness.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah. Well, I mean I love a week like this,
you know, whereas meaty but short, and I do apologize.
I feel like I'm cutting the show a little bit
short because I just I don't feel well today.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
But we did do a piece of a review this
week as well, So you're getting two episodes this week.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, we're on double duty for a few more weeks here.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like the fuck do you want from me? Peter? No,
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I don't know that
we're gonna be double duty for a few more weeks. Like,
if it's slow, I'm not gonna do a news episodes,
that's true. We're just gonna do a Peacemaker true.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
True, so far I might.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Crank out some Patreon exclusives.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
But also that so far it's been worth it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I think we've done one every week.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, I man, Peacemaker's great, good news coming down the pike.
I'm just excited about DC.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Man of Tomorrow thing was And by the way,
the last thing I'd say about it it was, I
think I told you, I told you this privately. It's
just crazy how fast that can be greenlit. Oh yeah,
Man of Tomorrow has a release date now, And like
you and I also talked about well like six five,
six weeks ago, when it was just sort of a
glimmer in his eye. M m, just something he seemed
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to have thought about, maybe almost in the press after Superman,
like somewhere between the press of Superman and Peacemaker, he
was like, you know, what'd be fun? That has a
release date now? It's just insane, Yeah, insane.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think it is. It is crazy. But you know,
I did see somebody and oh yeah, here it is.
Here it is. I just skipped over that. Okay. Someone
asked yeah, I know. Someone asked, uh, how much of
the Man of Tomorrow's script was finished, and Gun says
all of it. Yeah, just in the necessary and lengthy
stage or of rewriting and rewriting some more. It's been
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a lot of fun, oh, I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
On the hard way. Yeah, said the treatment was fifty
six pages. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
You only have to spread that out a little bit
to get the script.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Man, it's a little harder than that, but true.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I mean, I know, I'm just saying that's a lot
of writing. Yeah, and for the treatment that feels like
it's not even skipping, skipping spaces.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, uh yeah. But anyway, exciting uh, exciting times. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
We can let you get back to resting, though happily.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Uh, I hope for resting m h or.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Failing to rest and worrying about that what which will
eventually lead to exhaustion, but then rest.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Right right, Well, you know there's like a level of
sickness where you're not gonna rest.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh, of course not.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
You're just like, oh, this is just gonna have to pass,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, there's a hopeless spot.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Pass me the water, pass me, the packets of electrolytes.
All right, yeah, thank you guys for listening, and uh
we will we will see you in a couple of
days with more Peacemaker Jesus. Until next time, keep some
DC on your screen, Hi,
You were listening to DC on Screen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome into DC on Screen. I am your host, David C. Robertson.
This is my co host Jason Goss.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
As promised, we have a news episode here for you,
and kind of a big one. Some big stuff came down.
It's impactful.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's dense.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I don't know about that, but clorically lean, it's more
like just like one big toft somewhere in the middle,
and then the rest of it's pretty thin. Yeah, I'll
say that. Let's look at the Superman box office real quick.
Domestic three hundred and fifty three million, three hundred and
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two thousand, three hundred and sixty. International still not doing great,
two hundred and sixty million, eight hundred thousand, and the
worldwide though is made it up to six hundred and
fourteen million, one hundred and two thousand, three hundred and sixty.
The movie's doing really well. I just you know, man,
I wish it had done a little bit better internationally.
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I really do.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I don't think it's the time for that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It might not be. I mean, look, internationally, things are
things are tough, yeah, and that's important to remember.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think it did fine for what that did,
fine enough even as it stands, But it could have
done better. Yeah, over in a different in a different time,
maybe it would have.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
In a different time, it would have absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Maybe in there just for the hell of it, but
it definitely would have.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah. Hey, Dave here reporting in from early Monday, September eighth.
News just came down from Variety that James Gunn's Superman
generated about one hundred and twenty five million dollars in
profit margins for wb in just over eight weeks since
its debut. It is the seventh highest grossing of the
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year for any movie, trailing Niza I, Leelo, and Stitch
a Minecraft movie, among others. Deadline is reporting the same
profit margin of about one hundred and twenty five million
for Superman, but they also apparently did the math and
are reporting that twenty thirteen's Man of Steel earned a
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profit of forty two point seven million by comparison. Now,
one of the primary factors in that being Superman's much
higher domestic total. From a studios perspective, domestic box office
revenue is often seen as quote unquote better because studios
typically keep a larger share of the gross avoid complications
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with exchange rates. There's also a thing where the domestic
consumer base is apparently consistently one with a higher disposable
income for entertainment compared to international markets. At the moment,
domestic market offers more predictable financial returns and easier logistical oversight.
So that's the news. That's the news will come down,
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whether you like it or lump it or disbelieve it.
I love both Superman and Men of Steel, so it
don't matter to me back to it, but yeah, it was.
It was a success. We heard Gun was on Chris
Hardwick's podcast What is that called Again? I didn't even
write it down, but I was like, surely I'll remember that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'll pipe in I think you're overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
There you go, I think you're overthinking it. That's the phrase,
the way the Gun described it. Superman's success was the
biggest relief of my life. If Superman didn't work on
the head of DC Studios, what am I going to
do now? We have Supergirl coming out next year, we
have Peacemaker season two coming out. I've got lanterns. They're
all connected to this. We have Clean Face where I'm
about to start shooting, which they are shooting now, it
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was like, what the heck was I gonna do if
it didn't go well? But yeah, it did do well.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah. I like the sense of the underlying sense of
possible despair there. I can and got behind that. I
would have been as transparent as he's generally been so far.
I would have been very curious to see if this
thing had made like three hundred million total right now
and had some major plot problem that everyone didn't get
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it along with, and like it just just had kind
of not just done fifty percent of what this is.
I would love to have seen what the transparency would
have showed us in that capacity.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, you know, we did report on it. He had
that interview. Maybe it was an interview or maybe it
was a threads I can't keep track now, but it
was a little while ago where they were like, oh,
what happens if Superman doesn't make doesn't do well? And
he was like, what do you mean We're not just
going to keep making movies? They've got to do well? Yeah,
(04:41):
I mean was he was very blunt about that, What do.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You mean They're just going to keep spitting these things
out like shit? It would have been an interesting time
to see and God probably probably interesting but painful to watch, Like, okay, well,
how do we all?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No one liked this part, Like what the hell is
he gonna do with that? I mean, this movie was
about to be ready, and I just wondered. Also, if
he would have gone quiet for a while, probably wouldn't
blame him.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, I mean, this is why we had all these
reports of him testing the movie and testing the movie.
Superman is hard to get right. Oh yeah, It's such
an obvious thing. It's such a it's the thing that
you think, you how could you fuck it up? But
it is such an obvious thing to fuck up, or
such an easy thing to fuck up, it gets deceptively difficult.
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Everyone has their slight take or their twist on Superman
that everyone else disagrees on, you know, like, yeah, Superman
is this? Yes, yes, everyone says yes, Superman is this?
Everyone says yes, Superman is this? Whoa whoa whoa? And
I feel like everyone has that.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh yeah, I mean this was a pretty traditional take.
And there's still people deeply upset about a few things that,
you know, the Krypton heritage. That's gonna be the highlight
reel of people that took issue with things.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, or he's too weak or he's you know which
I get, he's.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Eighty percent power or less.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, he was too weak. He was too weak. Oh,
I mean, I get it. You have some specific needs for
your power fantasy.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, how do you think genuinely the story would have
done if it was just cast with a relatively well
known actor. They did, okay, you do a quick story
about you do a few five minutes about Krypton. There's
a story about him getting a job at the planet.
He meets his two new friends, he starts dating Lewis.
Some Brainiac comes in the meantime. He reveals himself as
Superman as he goes and saves the day because he's
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strong enough to beat up Brainiac. Right, Like, nothing crazy,
just just a normal fucking like origin story issue. I mean,
it would do okay, right, Like it would be okay, Yeah,
but I don't think anyone would care that much. But
I do wonder if a f o K would be
kind of like great in a way, like, oh man,
you did absolutely nothing crazy and I got to see
and be up some stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You get jobs. It's also, yeah, it's just so difficult
because it's like I feel like, even as a DC
fan and as a Superman fan, like, I don't know
the number of Superman figures that are staring at me
right now. I have so much Superman stuff in this
in this office. Admittedly not as much as Batman, but
I've got so much fucking Superman in this office looking
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at me. And look, I even I am going, eh,
I've seen Superman movies. I feel like I'm I'm you know,
I'll go see it, but I feel like I'm I
kind of know what's going on gonna happen, it's Superman. Like,
I feel like the general audience goes, yeah, I've seen
a Superman movie. I don't need to see this.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I feel like this is a real sentiment. And most people,
I also think, have an idea of whether or not
they like Superman already. They're like, yeah, I've always I've
always liked Batman. As if you can't like both, ah,
they can't Batman.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
They can't. As we talk, there's like a generational spot
where there's a whole group of people hold almost a
generation of people that think that Superman is either like
Moby or kind of mean. I guess maybe maybe, And
then like, at the very least a bit hokey, because
I can only remember like my dad liking that seventy
eight thing, just just not super impressed with the idea
as it stands. Yeah, the glimpses they've seen in their lifetime.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You he's either a corny pansy or he's a MOPy asshole.
And you know, I don't. I don't look at so whatever.
It was funny like I did because of some the
news that we're gonna be talking about in here in
a little bit. The sequel, the proper sequel, Man of Steel.
I guess it's the proper sequel. I don't know what
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the fuck anymore. I don't know how to feel about
that follow up follow up, as I think the term
gun is using Man of Tomorrow. It's coming out sequel,
Yeah he has, even though he said it wasn't, but
now he said, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Know's it's a Schrodingder sequel. Shit.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Sure peacemakers are real sick. Yeah, that's the thing. Anyway. Ah,
I've seen a lot of people like celebrating the fact that, like,
oh man, this seque was coming out on like the
same year Batman Part two is coming out and they're
just like, Batman's gonna fucking kill Superman. Fuck Superman, And
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I'm like, it's the same studio, y'all, Like they're gonna
win no matter what.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, that's a weird, made up competition to care about.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I mean they, dude, these fans have been caring about
that competition forever, like Batman or Superman. Batman are Superman
my entire geek life and longer. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I just mean, even when you care about two things,
those aren't too equal things to be judging at all.
They're it's weird to care just enough to know to
compare those and then do it that poorly. Mm hmm.
I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean I have literally seen people saying like,
fuck Gun, Batman is gonna mop the floor with his
Superman and I'm like, Gun will be happy Man Part
two wins if Yeah, I'm sure it will. I'm sure
it will. It'll probably make a billion dollars just fucking
Batman in part two.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Like a lot of people are gonna be just on
the hook for it no matter what he does, and
as long as he didn't fuck up a trailer or
two or nothing. Weird happens before you can probably sail
into what at least half a billion?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah easy. I mean we don't know exactly what twenty
twenty seven is gonna look like theatrically, Oh.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Sure, but just doing far as projections from here, that's
where I'll put it.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, all right, let's let's let's headed some actual news here. Peacemaker. Uh,
there was a there was a photo and people are
trying to figure out what it means. Corn Sweat posted
this photo of himself in the Peacemaker set, and uh,
it is clearly like Chris Smith is seen as wearing
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the outfit he's wearing in episode three and four. Hm,
his alternate universe, Like whatever that is that it looks
like a Guido or something.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, it's a very rough war drobe they.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He looks like he's on Jersey Shore or something. I
don't know he's So that's the timeframe story wise. But
Corn Sweat is in his Superman costume and it was
filmed or the picture of a shot July twenty third,
twenty twenty four. Superman and Peace Piccker season two were
filming at the same time.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Are people worried about this?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
People are trying to yeah, people are trying to figure
out like if it means that he popped over to
Peacemaker to play Superman.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
No, they're both just filming in the same set of
hangers in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, that's that's That's how I took.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
It, like they the easy explanation, just the easy off
the top one is they filmed like literally in the
same spot those they were taking lunch breaks together. And
they've already told us that three and four were filmed
at the same time that Superman was filmed. Mm hmmm,
(12:03):
So like we already knew that was a thing from
weeks ago when they were talking about and then they
had to go back and film like episodes one and
two after it because we again, we already covered all
that And then I think the only reason.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That you and I didn't cover it, well.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I just mean we've already talked about that on in
the in the community. I guess it's still but yeah,
like we I think think me and you had separately anyway, but.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You and you and I may have talked about it,
I don't think I actually ever put it in a
show note and talked about it on the show.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That may be true, though, I think It's been tread
on somewhere at least though, but it just would make
more sense, like, yeah, they just sort of put us
did that picture after the episode with him and that sure.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Aired, Yeah, which is all I took it as like
people are making a whole like conspiracy theories out of
this thing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Could just be that simple.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I wouldn't be shocked of Corn. So what was in
Face Maker?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I mean not a bit, but I think he would
have been in episode three four.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Range, so like, well, we haven't seen four yet.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I mean we're coming up on it now.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Look if if if, if, if the alternate universe is
Earth X. I've seen some people saying, like, what if
Corn Sweat shows up as like Nazi Superman or whatever.
I don't think Gun's gonna be reaching for that one yet.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
No, it's a whole wardrobe change while he's trying to
do Superman.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well maybe it is, maybe it is. You know, you
can you don't actually have to do, like I don't know,
overt Nazism. You don't have to have, like, you know,
swastikas on every street corner and a swastika on Superman's chest.
You can just be a little more right, wingy.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
You can, I mean, you can't just do it some dialogue.
But like, but to not do that, I'm gonna have
to bat costume designers away with the broom.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Dude. I'm seeing I'm seeing some theories on online that
are crazy, Like people are going off, They're like, oh
my god, this is the bizarro universe that they created
in the first Superman This. No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It doesn't have to be that complicated yet.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I do want to get through episode four and just
make sure, but I don't have super high expectations of
him showed up here.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Right, you know. Also, it's perfectly plausible or possible that,
you know, I don't think they'll they'll do it yet,
but you know, he just got back to prime reality.
He's running around, they're you know, they're chasing him. They've
shown up at his house. You know, Superman could just
show up and help him. I don't think he will
because it seems like they're kind of building the alternate
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reality as Peacemaker's new drug.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's gonna be his escape for a seconds.
Just looked at this picture. He's got blood on him,
like this is after the this is yeah, I mean
they've been like a fight, like during the hostage scene here.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, that reads too much into it.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That just looks like a couple guys taking a picture
while Johnsone is dressed funny mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Someone asked James Gun how would Fleury sees hot girl?
This is the character Langston Fleury who has a bird
blindness on Peacemaker played by Tim Meadows. James gunn okay,
So they asked him, what do you think would happen
if Fleury saw hot girl? Would he call her duck girl?
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Gun says, I think he'd wonder what's wrong with her
head and wouldn't really know. And here's what for you,
Gun says, Yes, Peacemaker wrote you're the best, and yes
it was intentional. Oh, okay, the grammatic fuck up was intentional,
he says. People are commenting a lot on that, Yeah,
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but not on car Court being way more or more
than a little thirsty in her text. And then he
started referring to her as thirst Court. So alternate alternate
Hardcourt is thirst Court.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, they were using that name on set. I guess
just because she's super into getting the relationship started back.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, he actually tagged Jennifer Holland and said, do you
think Hardcourt has a thirst court inside just waiting to
come out? And she responded, if so, she has stuffed
it down pretty deep. Yeah, over to clay face. Did
you see this Gotham City map? No, so they're shooting
and there's this Gotham City map and they made a
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bunch of them. Like it's like as if it's like
for the tourism, you know, district, and they've got like
pamphlets with the map of the city and everything, and
you know a lot of it's just like they have
like the tiny little tags at the end that just
has all of the lists, the numbered listings of places.
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And we've got like Arkham Asylum and as Chemical and
the Iceberg Lounge and Blackgate Penitentiary, a sporting complex with
the the Knights, lots of Wayne Empire buildings. There's also
a Cane Estate, a Cane Memorial bridge. And one thing
that's got everyone tackles up is that one of the
places is Crime Alley. And they're like this is for
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fucking tourism, Like you're not gonna call a place crime Alley.
And in my head I'm like, well, why the fuck wouldn't.
You don't want tourists go into crime Alley and thinking
they're safe.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
No, you make it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You don't want to be like, hey, here's park Row
and then they're like, oh, that sounds nice, and then
you get there and like you're murdered. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I assume it's kind of like you name stuff in
New Orleans haunted streets or like, uh, you know there's
Jack the Ripper sites. Right, I assume it's like that
we're just glor glorifying a gory point in the history.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But here's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Crime alley before it's crime alley because the park so
it is something, and then they start calling it. It
does take on a new personality as a street afterward.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Right. Here's the thing though, because the people have like
just been angry as hell shitting on this. By the way, first, first,
this map is probably not gonna be cannon as far
as like they're not gonna like take the map and
put it up to the camera and be like, you know,
clay Face is not gonna be like I'm gonna go
to crime Alley. Damn it. You know that's not gonna happen.
That's not gonna fucking happen. This is probably for people
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on set who are just having fun with it. No
two to the people who are like, they would not
call this park road crime Alley on their fucking map.
Someone did actually like take pictures of a real Manhattan
map and it said Hell's Kitchen on it, like it
had the like I think it was like Clinton, and
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then it was like parentheses Hell's Kitchen underneath it. That
won't surprise me, but that's how people know it.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's not shocking.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
There's not a New York City. There's not a fucking
New New Jersey. I don't think like all these big
cities that we have in our world don't exist in
James Gun's DCU, he's already said that. Yeah, instead of
New York, he we got Metropolis. Instead of New Jersey,
we've got Gotham.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Fine, fine, I kind of like that, though I don't
think we've ever played with just actually getting rid of
the city's never meant to replace anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
There is no need for it technically, just go for it.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I mean, in early Batman comics, he was in New York.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Wasn't New York?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah? And then quickly after it changed to Gotham City lovely.
Alrighty Man of Tomorrow. All right, let's actually talk about
this thing. James Gunn posted a picture. It was a
drawing of Jim from Jim Lee of David Cordon Sweats
Superman holding a screwdriver and he's standing next to Lex
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Luthor in the green and purple armored So, I guess
not a prototype. Why I keep saying prototype, it's not
that it's walking, it's his armored suit, famously, and probably.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Because there's a screwdriver nearby, and it feels like it's
not finished.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, but he's got the screwdriver. And importantly though Superman
has the screwdriver, hm, which makes me feel like Superman
is using some kind of Kryptonian technology or at the
very in some way helping Lex. I mean Lex has
been taken to prison. But Corn Sweat and Nicholas Holt
also shared drawings, one by Jorge Jimenez and one by
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Mitch Garrett's the Humenez. Great choices, Great choices. The Humenez,
it looks like they're fighting side by side, and the
Mitch looks like Superman is fighting Lex. I think we're
looking at the progression of their relationship in the movie.
I think there will be a threat Lex will offer
to help Superman will hope that that means, because he's
(20:58):
got all the hope in humanity. Sure, he's like, fuck it,
we need Lex, Lex. I believe you're gonna do something
great for humanity. I need your help. You're smarter than me.
And uh, and they're gonna they're gonna try to do
something together. They're gonna fight together to fight off whatever
the bad guy is of the movie. And then of
course inevitable betrayal. Yes, absolutely, I think that's what we're
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looking at all right.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
The other option is that it's we let some time
pass and we find out that Superman has been basically
kind of trying to be a friend in this entire
like trying to visiting him every week kind of thing.
Mm hmm, and then they actually are friendly by this point,
and then for some reason he just betrays him anyway afterward,
Like there's a there's gonna be a second catalyst that
turns it back. Mm hmm. But I only have one, Uh,
(21:47):
to have one major prediction. Don't throw out there. Sure, Uh,
the screw driver just makes me think would be fun.
But I think it would be fun to build the
mech suit out of some of the dead robots that
he helped create out in the Fortress.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That is kind of funny. I think it's seeing as
how in the last movie he just gave them, gave
one of them a fucking name. I think it would
be grotesque.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, okay, maybe not completely recnnibalized, but but but also
a little bit like they were able to rebuild that one.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It like that ship in Serenity where they have to
use the dead from the rev attack and strap them
to their fucking ships so the revers think they're one
of them.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like, uh, I'm feeling like I want to go back
a couple of steps from the grotesqurea of that, but
right somewhere in the vicinity of getting to recycle some
of the dead robots into the suit, yeah, at least
some vibe of just like, well, this technology is not
gonna be able to be you know what we could
do with it though.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, So whether he does or not use Supermans some
of Superman's tech, uh, and he might you know, he
also he is Lex Luthor. He had the engineer go
in and you know, download a bunch of shit he
probably has a bunch of Kryptonian technology somewhere anyway, mm
(23:07):
hmm that they've reverse engineered.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Either way, That's why I like it being the box though,
is there. It'll be symbolic. He could do this a
lot of ways. Mm hmm. It'll be like he destroyed
those things, the a hell of a gift to come,
you know, make him a suit to help him fight with.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, maybe I think there will be some Kryptonian element
to it. I just I don't know what exactly to
make of the screwdriver, except that maybe Superman is helping
him with it in some way. But you know, Lex
did have he has all the Raptor suits, which are
prototypes for the for the battle armor that he uses later,
I would assume, and he also has the battle armor
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that Ultraman is wearing as the Hammer of Bravio.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
He's not wanting for technology.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He's not wanting for tech who although he.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Did need Ultraman's power to really make that suit, yeah
competitive with Superman mm hmm. So, and then the Raptor's
got torn to shred, so he's not there yet.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
No, he's not, which makes me think, and that's kind
of what I've been getting leaning towards here. Do you
think whoever they're fighting will be Kryptonian?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Hmm, No, No, no, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So We've got we've got a loose thread from Bizarro
hanging around or not Bizarro, but super Clone Ultra Man
who fell into a black hole and might actually wind
up with some sort of cubed Earth situation going on. Possibly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, But also I just realized how easy that would
be for him to do as an animated series with
Corn Sweat doing the voiceover, since apparently he was doing
the mm hmm voiceover anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But also, you know Superman the animated series Brainiac is
from Krypton.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, there are versions where it's Kryptonian.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I I don't think Kryptoni had hurt them because.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
He's just a non factor for him.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, but you know, I don't think they have Kryptonite
per se, but it could go General's odway anyway. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well, actually, so one thing about this planet is aunt
a little factor into how you'd bet, because if I
was my bet right now would be no. Just just
on the fact that gun Is opened the field up
so much that I don't think you can go back
to Krypton necessarily for just he wouldn't just one planet
versus the universe. I'd just say, no, there's no Kryptonite
on this Earth.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
That's right so far as far as they know, As
far as they know.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
As far as they know, they get rid of it
all or well how they put it somewhere in that meeting,
they say, as far as we know, there was none left. Yeah,
it's supposed to be a planet devoid of it, and
right except for when I guess Metamorpho wants to yeah happened,
or metas can make this happen, or I guess them
can still appear. It'll still be in universe, but not
on the planet.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
They just don't know about it. It could still show up.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, nobody's going swimming in the Caspian Sea and popping
up with giant weird rock that we're gonna crack open
on the beach.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Mm hm. So yeah, I'm just curious what they're gonna
do with that. What's this big threat that's gonna happen,
that's gonna make Lex and Superman work together?
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Origin? I don't know. I still like Brandiac though.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, how much do you want to bet Man up tomorrow?
Is in reference to Lex and not Superman.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Oh very much my first thought when I saw that.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I combine that also with how he keeps being coy
about saying that it's a movie. It's not Superman too.
He says, just Superman's a big deal. Yeah, he's I
think he wants to make a Lex Luthor movie where
Superman is the main, the main secondary the entire time,
and the manitos about Lex being the man that he
could be if he'd get out of his own fucking way.
And the reason I like Branniac also is because all
(26:50):
that envy and all that blah blah blah, like Lex
versus actual twelfth level intellect is another game entirely. It's
not brains versus brawn this time, it's actual brains versus brains. Yeah,
with his new buddy Superman in tow.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
That would be that would be interesting. He's like, no,
I'm smarter, I'm supposed to be. Like they set it
up in this movie too, because he says, braun Ah,
I mean brain always beats Braun. Well, what happens when
fucking BRAINIACX chows up?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah? Like I would love in this new one. I'd
love it to be Superman who kind of goes like,
hey man, so I'm not going to get this done.
Do you know? Have you seen this dude? And then
like Lex, it's got to be me and you man.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, and he has to he has to do the
Lex armor, uh, so that he has the braun to
match his brain.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah. Yeah, although I would it would it would make
you want to know, like, well, where's mister Terrific in here?
Because he's he's right there. I don't know where this
universe actually has him with Lex intellectually, Yeah, I don't know.
I mean on screen, he's obviously goddamn mister Terrific and
he did fix that thing very quickly for someone who
just walked up to a terminal, you know, for the
first time. Mm hmm. He's clearly in competition, But don't
(28:00):
enough that the film did not rank them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well I guess it did though, because it keeps saying
Lex and Galileo, like, yeah, I don't think they actually
compared those two in general, except that this Lex says
his name alongside like Galileo. He didn't stop and say
like me and mister Terrific and Galileo.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Like mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah,
I don't certainly don't remember any kind of ranking.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
No, this guy like this terrific is not gonna be
the braggart that lexays those.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Now with this announcement, we've had some interesting people responding
to James. We have Isabella Merced, who plays a hot girl.
She shared the post to her stories with the cap
should see you soon, and then Aaron Pierre responded with
yes indeed and a green heart. Comic book writer Dan
Slott says, for reasons quote unquote, I can't mention this
(28:59):
title makes me so happy, can't wait m hm, And
everyone kind of freaked out because Grant Gustin responded with
two big red exclamation points, and everyone freaked out so
hard though that they didn't know the notice that Brandon
Routh also responded with big red hearts and praise hands. Right,
(29:20):
So those guys responding don't mean nothing, y'all.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
No. I do think Isabella and Aaron are probably in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, but I don't. We don't have to take the
other guys on board. They probably just figured out, like
learned who Donslot was a while back, and are still
familiar with him enough to be excited about that for everybody.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh no, they were just responding to James Gunn. All
of them were just responding to James Gunn.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh god, yeah, no, oh god, that's even easier, yeah,
Jesus Christ, Yeah sorry, yeah, yeah, my god.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Over on thread, someone said, James, how much a role
as low as play and Man of Tomorrow? James says,
she's important.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
This person on thread says, hey, there are some weird
concerns about this rrated DCU project, talking about Peacemaker shouldn't
be the main direct tie in to the main share
arc with Superman and Man of Tomorrow, which is obviously PG. Thirteen.
And you have said it many times that you don't
(30:29):
have to watch Peacemaker season two to understand Superman or
Man of Tomorrow. Correct, Like shared universe aspects are just
more context to that individual story. And gun responds, that's right,
as I've said countless times. You can watch every project
by itself, of course, just like you can watch Peacemaker
by itself or watch Superman without seeing Creature Commandos. But
(30:52):
Man of Tomorrow and Peacemaker season two are very very connected.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, hey, yeah, that cou's it but it's still not
going to necessarily break the rule.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Let's yeah, I don't think it will.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
The next PG thirteen outing you'll probably just do a
couple of exposition dumps to catch up for whatever it
is in the R or in this case, m A
that you maybe didn't catch. That's not going to be
that difficult, though. We don't have to worry about it
that hard.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
What that means yet. He also has refused to show
the press those same episodes or anyone outside of just
like the people working on.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It, well, six and eight or the last three episodes,
I should say, six, seven and eight.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Whatever's happening in a couple episodes is. I don't even
know what to expect at this point. He keeps building
it as just incredibly wild and it's gonna have to
do with this new universe or this new movie. I
don't know what the what the fuck is going on yet.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I haven't seen specifically that episodes six through eight are
specifically tied in with Manam Tomorrow, but it does seem
like he just he definitely didn't want it to be spoiled. Yeah,
whatever that is. But something through in Peacemaker season two
ties in with Man of Tomorrow A lot. That's all
we know. We don't know that it's specifically six through eight.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
No, no, no, I just keep thinking. I just keep leaning
that way. But just because that's the thing that he
keeps wanting, he keeps that under wraps. Whatever it is
that's happening in a few episodes he doesn't want to
tell yet.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Right over to the Batman epic crime saga. Colin Ferrell
has read the script for The Batman Part two. He
says the screenplay is extraordinary. Addressing the possibility of Penguin
season two, he says, I have no idea if it's happening.
I know that I heard rumblings that they were thinking
they'd like to do a second season, But I don't
know if it's a good idea. I don't know the
(32:46):
way you go. I don't know the way you go
back to the trough, And part of me wants to
go just let it go. People, we got away with it,
leave it as it is. Yeah, I get that sentiment.
I kind of feel it, like I don't. I'm like,
I'm I don't necessarily want Peacemakers, not peace bakers. Penguin
(33:09):
season two.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I don't have to. I want to see where things
land after Batman too. M hm, see where my appetite
is for poultry after that.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah. I could also do like a Riddler limited series
or a joke or a limited series or any any
or no limited series at all, Like I'm good, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
A huge, huge, huge drain and misstep at this point
to be like, you know what we're gonna do instead
of another Batman movie?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I think they just need to go ahead and
wrap the fucking thing up. Yeah, anyway, you know what
time it is. I have time for that DCT.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I got in the habit to take a sip. Now
it covers up when I need to. I just do
it like a human.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, not like a me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I do it like a human that has a microphone
in front of it too.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, I do it. I also do it like a
human who has a microphone in front of him, just
an obnoxious ass human.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, mine has a period has an exclamation.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
So we have project updates. We may have talked about
it in the previous news episode, but just to quickly
run it down as Gunn described it in I think
you're overthinking it the Chris Hardwick Podcast. The next movie
is Man of Tomorrow, the next movie to shoot, I mean,
but hopefully with Batman two before it. There's an unknown
(34:34):
TV show next. There is a lot of different stuff
in stages. Brave of the Bold is going well. He
mentioned Wonder Woman in Paradise, Loss and Booster. Then he
says some of the things have changed a little bit,
and he says the authority. So it's not saying the
authority is the one that is canceled. We know that
they killed a project. I don't think it's the authority
(34:55):
because he says the authority has changed a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
He did. Now that you tell me that, I wonder
if that stat I wonder if they killed it before.
And then even the kill order stopped and has now
gotten back into like we didn't kill it, but we
changed it a lot. So now I'm wondering if it's
two or the same, and we're just we keep statusing.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
But yeah, I mean, I don't know, man, I don't know.
Not a clue, all right. So on threads, Gun shared
a picture of the dcu's argus logo that reveals that
the acronym stands for Advanced Research Group of the United States.
When a fan asked why it was changed from the
source material, Gun had a sound explanation, Well, it's not
the first time it's been changed. But in the DCU
(35:37):
they aren't so much uniting superheroes as they are attempting
to keep them in check. And in the comics August
stands for Advanced Research Group, uniting superhumans would not be
what they're doing here.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Good point, good point. This universe is currently not in
like a super I don't know, I don't know. Some
people are very into them, some people very much hate
them superhumans.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. So someone asked, so
the Welcome to Metropolis prequel novel isn't cannon or was
that an exception? And James Gunn says it is not canon. No,
are old friends do Little the Little Ya noble? Yeah,
little Ya novel.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Ah, that's funny. That's a shame.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Mm hmmm. Our old buddy Stu Little asked James Gunns.
You decided your Superman movie didn't need to cover his
origin or debut and a great effect, but would you
have any problem with it if DC wanted to produce
comics to tell such stories, And gun says even with
me and our guy Phil, whose job it is to
keep it all together on Cannon and the DCU, with
(36:41):
multiple films and TV shows, it is still hard to
keep track of. Adding comics at this time would be
too much for the team, for the lean dc team.
So right now nothing is canon outside of the filmed media.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's fair. I think that's also he's trying to do
it respectful. Mm hmmm, I don't. I don't think he's
just gonna put out a ship win and be like, oh, yeah,
it's not canon.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah. Someone on threads says, with all the childhood characters
you've been using, is the question available? I heard some
time ago on a Kevin Smith podcast that there were
rights issues around that character, and I'm hoping that's all
cleared up. Gun responds, No, he's ours one of my
faves like it. I love that the question is one
of his faves. We've talked about it before, he's mentioned
(37:26):
this before. I mentioned it every time he mentions it
because I love the question and I want it. I
want to see that we're in my life.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, I need the.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Answer to the question. It's funny. So the Crater guy
that's just did weapons and he needed barbarian. Okay, you
remember we talked about him having this Joker and Harley movie.
That is what the press is calling it a Joker
(37:57):
and Harley movie, but it's really a movie about a
Hinch and Joker and Harley are kind of in there.
For a minute. He was doing an appearance on Double Toasted,
and he says, this is getting blown out of proportion online.
It is not a Joker in Harley script. I've not
talked to James Gunn about it. I have two films
in front of me. People have written a lot about
(38:19):
it online and not much of it is true. He does.
He does say that like he's still passionate about it.
He still wants to make it someday. But yeah, this
is all things we talked about on the podcast weeks ago. Yeah,
everything I just said I said weeks ago, except for
the part where he was on Double Toasted. I'm telling you, though,
(38:40):
like he has said, it's the same thing we said
weeks ago. This is not It was not a Harley
Joker movie. It was a Henchman movie. It was a
movie about a guy who was just moving around in
the underworld. It's his favorite thing he's ever written, but
he hasn't pitched it. We even said that part that's
where it God, but I have I've been seeing all
(39:02):
the stories, all the stories like Joker Weapons director has
a Joker and Hurley movie or the works.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
He doesn't No, I mean, yeah, it was when he
was writing a treatment or whatever, but it's over now.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well I don't think it was. It was never in
the works. He wrote it because he wanted to write it,
and it just has never pitched.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
It, I know. I just mean the press that, like
the present tense part of that seems like it's on
more of a stall, even if it was ever going
to be called that.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Mmm.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
So this is the So the trend this week really
is just over excitement.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I mean, no, no, Man of Tomorrow is a pretty
exciting prospect.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well I know, but short of short of like the
major cool man Man of Tomorrow, A lot of the
major hubbub has just been getting a little carried away
with things sometimes.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, I mean, the excitement lends itself to getting over excitedly,
over overly excited about things. In one of those week
names pop up. But I really wanted to really wanted
to talk about Madam Tomorrow and we did that, and
I'm out of news. Yeah, and I'm out of energy
because I'm a bit under the weather today and not
(40:13):
feeling great.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's fair too, so.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I think I'm gonna call it, if that's all right
with you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Makes sense, makes sense. The I love how these things
come up and down to like we'll we'll have a
week or two like this where a lot of what
we end up talking about is just reflections of things,
and then yeah, we'll turn around in a couple weeks
and something will pop off. Yeah, it'd be so much
we can't even get to the weirdness.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah. Well, I mean I love a week like this,
you know, whereas meaty but short, and I do apologize.
I feel like I'm cutting the show a little bit
short because I just I don't feel well today.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
But we did do a piece of a review this
week as well, So you're getting two episodes this week.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, we're on double duty for a few more weeks here.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Like the fuck do you want from me? Peter? No,
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I don't know that
we're gonna be double duty for a few more weeks. Like,
if it's slow, I'm not gonna do a news episodes,
that's true. We're just gonna do a Peacemaker true.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
True, so far I might.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Crank out some Patreon exclusives.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
But also that so far it's been worth it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I think we've done one every week.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, I man, Peacemaker's great, good news coming down the pike.
I'm just excited about DC.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Man of Tomorrow thing was And by the way,
the last thing I'd say about it it was, I
think I told you, I told you this privately. It's
just crazy how fast that can be greenlit. Oh yeah,
Man of Tomorrow has a release date now, And like
you and I also talked about well like six five,
six weeks ago, when it was just sort of a
glimmer in his eye. M m, just something he seemed
(41:57):
to have thought about, maybe almost in the press after Superman,
like somewhere between the press of Superman and Peacemaker, he
was like, you know, what'd be fun? That has a
release date now? It's just insane, Yeah, insane.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think it is. It is crazy. But you know,
I did see somebody and oh yeah, here it is.
Here it is. I just skipped over that. Okay. Someone
asked yeah, I know. Someone asked, uh, how much of
the Man of Tomorrow's script was finished, and Gun says
all of it. Yeah, just in the necessary and lengthy
stage or of rewriting and rewriting some more. It's been
(42:33):
a lot of fun, oh, I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
On the hard way. Yeah, said the treatment was fifty
six pages. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
You only have to spread that out a little bit
to get the script.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Man, it's a little harder than that, but true.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I mean, I know, I'm just saying that's a lot
of writing. Yeah, and for the treatment that feels like
it's not even skipping, skipping spaces.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, uh yeah. But anyway, exciting uh, exciting times. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
We can let you get back to resting, though happily.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Uh, I hope for resting m h or.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Failing to rest and worrying about that what which will
eventually lead to exhaustion, but then rest.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Right right, Well, you know there's like a level of
sickness where you're not gonna rest.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh, of course not.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
You're just like, oh, this is just gonna have to pass,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, there's a hopeless spot.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Pass me the water, pass me, the packets of electrolytes.
All right, yeah, thank you guys for listening, and uh
we will we will see you in a couple of
days with more Peacemaker Jesus. Until next time, keep some
DC on your screen, Hi,
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