Peacemaker 2x01 - "The Ties That Grind" Review - DC on SCREEN | DC Studios News/Review

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
We're here to discuss Peacemaker season two, episode one, the
Ties that Grind, But before we do, I will quickly
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Sh It gets to be three or four hours, three
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It's not, look though, man, like this is Patreon dot
com slash DC on screen. Sorry. Uh so what we're doing, though,
is because it's DCU, we're turning over an old leaf.
We haven't done episode by episode reviews since what fucking
Midway air overs, Like we just got too much so

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much so we just couldn't fucking handle it. I get
the feeling they're not going to be doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Gun has been very adamant that quality beats quantity.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, and it's coming out of DC Studios.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
There's a centralized format here. We don't have the CW
doing their thing and Fox running Gotham.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I won't lie. Man. At the beginning of this episode,
when it said previously in the DCU, I got a little.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Hard Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
So that's where we're at. We are going to try
to cover this week by week. I say try because
you never know what the fuck's gonna happen in life.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
But that's the planned and the notebook I'm actually using
is so old that I have if you flip to
the early pages, I have notes for like an episode
of Black Lightning.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Mm hmm, I've got I've got a whole notebooks. Yeah,
I've got notebooks plural in a cabinet. That's just like
the page will be like Arrow, the Flash, Supergirl, black Lightning,
you know, just just all the way through.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Now it looks like what we were covering at the
time was Titans, Black Lightning, Supergirl, Green.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Arrow, lots of scribbles of skulls. Yeah all right.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
So predictably, one of my notes just says crypto.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Mm hm, So I yeah, I dude, I liked this
episode in quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It very much.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I very much loved the opening, like the last time
that he see like, I thought it was really smart,
the way that he wove in the Justice League cameos
from last year, except he changed them to Justice Gang.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
M m. He just yeah, I had chuckled when I
just heard the voiceover basically change from here just being
like Justice Gang. Like yeah, it like, I I know
they didn't say that. Damn, that wasn't a phrase back then.
It right that it had already had me cracked.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Up, but also like, you know, you did it for
the emphasis, but it didn't sound like they were just
changing a word and like no, bringing the Justice Gang.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
No, no, said, that's not that. I just mean like
that it was an anachronism as far as the word
there was, there was no chance.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
And then to actually like give us the silhouettes of
the Justice Gang instead of the Justice Lege to like
that was that was.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Great, mister terrific up there fluting, Did.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know the Supergirl? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, thankfully could pause and just look at that
as I wanted to. Yeah, they were great.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I was very very excited about that.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
I left that it's still being five mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's telling people I'm a puke freak, and.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
To get into some future analysis early on here, like
that's a that's a funny setup for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Man, Like it.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
That that that's that's just basically saying it happened this
way instead.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, or it happened almost exactly this way in this universe.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Kind of it, like is though it's a different one.
I'm not sure. I don't even I really don't know
where we stand with all that still, Like I don't
I don't know if I really genuinely don't know if
that just means that did that really change? Are we
just as viewers going to just be like cool, that's reality. Now.
We're just accepting that, gotcha, No problem pretty much actually
with what the plan is though.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is yeah, at least for the time being, you know those.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Our new marching orders is that this has happened this
way now, got you cool. It's fine. We'll forget about
it in like three years.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
And you know, if I have I'll just tell you
right now. I've got two kind of issues with the
first episode. The first issue is just too much, too
much flopping around of dicks and stuff, like, I'm just fine,
do your orgy. It doesn't really bother me. But at
the same time, I'm like, okay, just.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
A little think that was hilarious. That was one of
those where like the fact that the scene kept going
kept making it funnier to me. Yeah, it made me
nervous every for every second, the saying the scene kept
going made me more and more nervous, but also made
it funnier.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It did in a way like it made it really funny.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Went afterwards, I checked the threads life thing, and he
had at that time he had tweeted or threaded what
if the fuck that's called I did say this this
is not for kids.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Right, There was something else that I saw, and I
want to go back. I don't really want to go back.
I want to go back and look at it because
he was talking about it's okay, damn, I'll take that
gun was talking about being on the set of Superman
being like seeing some extra or something, being like, where
did I see that guy? How do I know that guy?
And then someone else is like, oh, he was the

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naked guy eating the sandwich and the orgy in the background.
Oh yeah, there you go that guy. So I didn't
I actually looked for the naked guy eating the sandwich
in the background and didn't see him. No.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I mean, like, I'll watch the episode again. I'm it'll
be on in the background as we're talking now, but like,
I really watch that again, because it genuinely was funny.
Like there were there was more going on in the
background than you can keep your eye on. But the
little bit that I was able to see over just
all of the all of the dickery is just there
were some jokes in the back that I think are

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gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, there's like one guy who's just kind of dancing
awk while jerking off, and that was weird.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, those those cracked me. Out, Like I kept watching
the scene going, oh my god, we really shot and
filmed this, huh? And then all right.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
And apparently he said he had like he had the
grips and ship like set up some sort of like
turntables so they get certain shots during the orgy. I
don't know men.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, it's like a large, mechanical, lazy susan kind of yes,
which is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So I mean, look, man, whatever, it's an adult show.
He's been very you know, I'm not sure I'm an
adult enough for it. But you were warned, Yeah, I
was warned. I'm not like, you know, and it's not
just dicks that I'm just like, eh, like, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Sure if there are more rails of penis or coke
in this line in this episode, but yeah, straight lines
doing stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I'm just not a I'm not a big I'm
not a porn guy.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
So I'm just gonna I'm kind of overall grossed out
by the human body in general. And I am all
you know, look, I'm all for Billie Eilish dressing however
she wants. I don't give a fuck, Like, I don't
want to control women's bodies or anything. Nothing like that.
I personally, I just hadening in that scene. I'm just yeah,
I'm just grossed out by you know, biology.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, sorry, anatomy was not your favorite class.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's not. It's just kind of like anyway. So the
other thing, though, is something you brought up before the
show to me, Uh, I just kind of feel like
we've gotten like most of the best scenes out of
this first episode especially, were already in the trailers.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Kind of. Yeah. My my only genuine issue with the
episode is basically accomplish ult I just wanted episode one
and two apparently, like it's I know so much about
just from the trailers and all the little bits. I
know so much more about what's in this season than
what was in episode one that I just I think

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I just preferred episode two drop. At the same time,
that's that's my my preference in this It's a new world.
I'm not trying to say we shouldn't have done the
marketing the way we did it. We exist in a
different reality now.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, different reality. And look, man, this is getting really
good reviews on all the different places. I think it
was like at one hundred percent for a long time
on Rotten Tomatoes and now it's like like ninety three
percent or something like that. And uh, I mean yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Saying my only complaint was accomplished old as my complaint
is effectively, I wanted more. I'll be okay. Next week
will happen.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, And I think some important exciting things happened in
this episode of a lot of those one I feel
like and correct me if you think I'm wrong, I'm
sure you will. I am gonna go out on a
limb though, and say I'm ninety nine percent sure. And
I was also like ninety seven percent sure anyway, but

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now I'm like ninety nine point nine percent sure. Jared
Leto will not be the joker in this universe. I
am living for all the shade thrown at thirty seconds tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Living from approximately four thousand percent sure. And I'm going
to base that on I think it being four times
that I heard.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I heard the.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Joke early on when she when they just they said, yeah,
there was an early slam, but yeah, they go back
for it in the stinger. They do yeah, and and
they go real hard. You just thought that was a
dry buyer that they were catching one. No, no, no, no, no, friend,
that was a choice was made.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
One is a playful jab yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Two one is almost I was wondering did he even
realize that that was a like does he realize people
are gonna ask? I genuinely wondered if that was just
a misstep that he had been like, Oh, man, come on,
you know you're gonna get some shit for that, right No? No, no, no, no, no,
they do.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, this is I'm like, oh no, he's kind of
going for it. Oh fuck, okay, Oh Jesus Christ, okay, yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I had not thought so intently about how the Joker
is not in the Suicide Squad mm hmm until that moment, right,
I've been so focused on what was in the movie.
I never thought about.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, you know, part of the thing about the Suicide
Squad is continuing Harley's post Joker journey and how important
that is to her character in her arc. So you
don't want to bring the Joker back. The only way
you would bring Leto's Joker back into the sequel is
if you had just like really wanted to like drive
up the conflict between Hardly and the Joker because she

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has moved on.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, it comes back as a catalyst, like an antagonist
that he's supposed to be an act one something you
put down, Yeah, at that stage in the storytelling.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
But at this point I'm gonna go on and a
limb and just go. It's not even a limb anymore. No,
it's like that. It's like laying by the damn root
of the tree. It's just like a fucking broken bird.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Egg, like a redwood.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah. So I love it.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Called Jared, let Jared, let him go. That's just here gone.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
So this is my favorite type. This is setting up
and getting into my favorite type of story. Like we
have everyone is in a shitty place, Chris hardcore economists, vigilante,
nobody's happy here. And Chris finds this alternate universe and
eagerly almost telling him where it is, Like, hey, dude,

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this is fucked up. I don't know what this is. Oh,
here's a what I would think would be is a
different uh display with different peacemaker helmets. This this, this
whole place is being shared by a different Augie.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
And I want to know more about why went to
the door?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, me too, me too, man, I want to know
all the things. But you know, they didn't say.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It eagerly in the other universe.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
They not not yet, not yet, we haven't seen one.
I think it's interesting that Gun brought up that they're
in the little post episode five minute thingy O.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Constantly Yeah, quick public service announcement if you did turn
it off at some point, and yeah, keep watching the
little thing at the ends.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Fun it is. And he did mention that this is,
you know, one of ninety nine other universes that are
accessible in this quantum unfolding chamber that Augie had and
that Chris subsequently has access to.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
As the episode points out, he's way more sciencey than
you would expect for a racist, right, But.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, dude, I love alternate universe. Shit is like one
of my favorite things. Is one of my favorite things.
The multiverse is one of my favorite gimmicks of science fiction,
and I love certain aspects of the story. The trailers
had me a little concerned that we were gonna get
like because you have Alt peace Maker putting the gun
to his head and being like, who the fuck are you?

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And we saw little clips of Alt peace Maker or
so we thought, I hate and you and I both
feel this way. We both hate the uh which one
is the real peace Maker trope? You know you have
two of them?

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, which one's the real me?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Right? And I was very very pleased that he just
killed up motherfucker by the front end of the first episode.
Yeah yeah, I was like, oh, hell yeah, just take
over his fucking life.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
So just just wondering, how'd you feel about the death.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I was just happy it happened. I thought it was fine.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Oh yeah, you just wanted it as long as one
one was out of the picture, were good or specifically
that one.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I hate the twin. I really do hate the twin shit.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah I don't. I don't blame me. I don't want
to doppelganger hanging around, but.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't mind the doppelganger. Actually, I don't mind a
fucking doppelganger. And I don't mind them having conversations and
exploring who they are and the differences and the nature
versus nurture. I love all that shit. That ship is
just fantastic. But what some of that, what I don't
want is pointing the gun at both of them and
wondering who the fuck did I do hate that shit.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I do hate that that trope. I'm just kind of
done with it for now, and I never can't and
I never can't get enough rest to recoup and be
ready for it again. But to be fair, one of
my questions was, did you feel like it was justified killing?
I do feel like they gave They gave me enough
of Like that peacemaker does not really let him even

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get a word in. He's just going to execute him.
I think that's how I'm supposed to buy that scene,
so that it feels good that we killed him. But
to be fair, I relate to him because he as
he's pulling the gun, he's got the gun behind this
peacemaker and he's like, what are you a shape shift
or some shit, and then just has no mercy and
wants to kill him. And that's how I feel about
those storylines.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, I worked out real well for me. I was
somewhat bothered that he didn't. I always hate that ship
in stories, and I wasn't a fan of it here necessarily,
But it is what it is, and we'll see how
that plays in subsequent episodes. But like I genuinely genuinely

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just wish, like slow the fuck down and have a conversation. Please,
can you just like talk for a second. Yeah, But
you know, I think I think James Gunn was making
a point here.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I'm assuming that was part of the character choice there
was that he doesn't give him a chance to because
there's one moment where he says he kind of half
gets out the senence like hold on a second before
he decides, right, I'm gonna slap the gun out and
right and all.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Peacemaker says that thing that very conservative people like to do,
especially gun opens and gun owners who like to say like, oh,
you came into my house. That gives me a justification
for you know, Oh okay, you have no there's no
reasons for you. Yeah, you just want to kill me. Yeah.
I feel like that was the That was the point
of that line.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
He is not getting a like a fair shake in
that moment. So and you keep thinking he's gonna and
you know, the the scene right before he's about to
put him down, he he really is. They're they're hitting
those old action beats where it's just like he's he's
one good punch. He's got him on the ground. He's
barely coming back from it. Yeah, he's about to be executed. Basically,

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I don't really understand what he did with his foot
to shoot that guy into the into the the sky
pointy thing the child. I don't I don't really understand
what happened.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I thought he hit killed him. I thought he hit
his chest because he kept showing like how he was
like activating his rocket packs. Yeah, and hitting that thing,
and that's.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Why he hits the butt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's now
that makes sense now what happened too quickly? I didn't
catch it, But.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I loved what Gunn said at the in the thing
where he was like, you know, he's killed his brother,
he's killed his father, and now he's killed an alternate
himself from an alternate reality.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, death follows him.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I loved that.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
That's how they ended.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Mm hmmm mm hmm. There was a part of it
that where he's like looking he's walking around the h
his alternate universe house, and uh, I love the little
differences and stuff, and I want to go back and
look for all those. The one that I really clocked
was some deaf leopards pour some honey on me instead
of sugar. Uh on the wall. Yeah, that's what it

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said on the on the post reports honey God.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I want to see those again.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
But the real song is boss some sugar around me. Hey, yeah, so,
and it reminded me of the alternate universe on Fringe,
when alternate Peter, when Peter goes over to the alternate
reality and he's got framed comic books, the hard traveling
heroes of that of that era or of that universe,
And it was like Red Lantern and Red Arrow walking

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in on Speedy doing junk, you know, like like your
side kicks a junkie.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, I walked in on him doing carbon right. I
think it's like that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah. In the originally it was like straight up like
heroin or something with it.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, it's just straight straight.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I started to come up with whatever that euphemism is
with the horse. I don't say horses smack. It's just
called smack.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Though there's something about horses. There's something about a horse.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
It's supposedly one of the references and being for the
benefit of mister cut I never can't remember what the
fuck that horse references though.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Let's see, they called Heroin a lot of stuff back
in the day. Well, horse is a common slang term
for Heroin, apparently, just.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Horse by itself. Yeah, how did you get away with
that horse? I don't know that horse and a needle
and give it to me intraveniously, it doesn't really come across.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, it seems like there's like a reference to like
a like a like a phrase as well somewhere.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I mean, if you were talking about like addiction cycles
and getting on and off the horse, it makes a
lot of sense. But I don't think that was the
focus of the.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Term big h brown sugar and a freeze cheese, horse,
junk mug tar train skag.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
All of which could have been possible. Yeah, there's a
history of creativity among heroin addicts as well.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Oh god, anyway, China white.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And then you want to be like, speaking of racist,
we got the dad back.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, he's at least lightly racist.
We don't know how racist he is. We know that
he's not exactly politically correct when it comes to IMP's.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Uh yeah, I didn't even I didn't know what they
were getting out with them conversation. I gathered though, that
this version of him is just a perfectly normal, wholesome dad.
This just seems to be a perfectly well adjusted dad
that doesn't have any real major issues.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like lightly, perhaps lightly uh fucking I don't know, lightly
racist or specist specist.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, maybe it's gonna be He's going to be like
the amount of conservative of that will perpetually exist between
any generation generational gap, you know, yeah, like the normal amount,
not that my dad runs around in a giant jet
pack of clown robes.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
And then like yeah, and then his brother's like, Jesus, Dad,
you know you've killed enough of them. You should You
should know. They're called imps, they're not muskins. Yeah, so
that was kind of fun. I mean, clearly those guys
are still like pretty good with murder and bad guys.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think the argument
will be typically made in any of the Gun universe
stuff that anyone is going to be like completely hands cleaned.
I don't know, right, Like he what what? How he
phrase that about Superman the other day?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Actually, I thought there was something about Superman where it
was like he doesn't want to be driven that far,
but like it something about the phrasing was never that
it would be an if, but more of a wind
you would have to kill.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I don't think there's gonna be any absolute that's riding
around in this maybe you'll get somebody fun like the
question or some shit that he uses outright, but that
would be more interesting though.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, I'm just curious to see what they're gonna do,
because clearly he's gonna want to take over this other
Peacemaker's life. I think Gun even pointed it out in
the little documentary the post documentary, like the bit where
Augie walks past Chris on his way to bed and
just kind of grabs his ear lob and says, love
you too, buddy. H Like that was broken that great moment,

(22:30):
and it broke him.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I had to agree with Gun also, like, yeah, it's
seen a great job in somepisode by the way.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
He really did he did. He did a great job
in the first season, like he did.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
He's been this. I think he'd done some movies before
Peacemaker where he'd I know, he had really popped off
on screen and done some serious stuff. I know people
were taking him seriously as an actor. I really genuinely
think Peacemaker broke him as an actor actor. And then
the season appears to be ready to break him even harder.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
He the crying it and yeah, like in the minidoc
thing or whatever. He says, that was just like the
first take they went in and said you should feel
more and he was like cool and knock that out.
Fucking great.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Mm hmm. By the way, there's a sizable uh more
sizable than I would prefer, chunk of Facebook that believes
that all the crying and underwear and bisexual orgy shit
and peacemaker is more humiliation to get him into the Illuminati.

(23:32):
Oh wow, Sina, Like they believe this dude, like him
coming out like naked on that Award show while back
and then like all of this, they're just like this
is the Illuminati, like and humiliating him to get him
into Yeah, his initiation, Fuck you. I just thought you
should know that.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
One of my favorite parts about any conspiracy theory is
always like, what would you the point? What are you
going to reward John Cena with if he gets in
that he doesn't have he's doing, okay.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Like it's weird, it's so weird. Uh well, I mean
I guess you get the you start getting the adrenochrome
or something like right like the blood from babies or whatever,
it makes you.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, I forget, I forget there's that. I'm like, there's
the rewards that I don't even know about, And who.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
The fuck are all these like people who aren't aging
because I just keep seeing people who are like clearly
aging and now they're like trying to do ship to
themselves to make it look like they're not. But that's
making it worse. Yeah, I'm like, they're not. They're not
drinking no baby's blood to make him. Yeah, it's like
there's no like, you know, who was that? Was it? God?

(24:44):
Was it Morgan le Fay or some ship? Whoever? The
vampire was that like drains the fucking energy out of
young people to stay forever young.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
That's another just any vampire.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I mean there's a there's a whole sub sect where
they like start getting old, they're like, oh, to drain
their energy again.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
True, I think it's all based on like the the
Maria Bathrie or whatever her name was. I think a
lot of a fair amount of Empire Laura. I think
it's based on that bitch that just like supposedly killed
like two hundred young ladies from the village and in
their blood so she could stay young. But then when
you look into that, it just turns out that maybe

(25:24):
she was just not all that agreeable and they blamed
a bunch of stuff on her.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
It just sure, sure, I mean, you know, it is.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Hard to believe that two hundred peasant children went missing
and no one was super bothered.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It's like, hey, you know, all these kids keep disappearing.
They're probably getting eaten by bears in the woods or something.
But uh, what if we just said it was that
Karen bitch down the street that keeps putting logs under
my car.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, it's just this, Yeah, this version of the story
was a little bit like that. I just don't understand,
like even you know, they portrayed you know, these poor
the popper you know, English children. Its just dispensable in
this Dickensonian days. But like that's the point of the
Dickensonian days I thought was in the tiny little family,
the poor little tiny family homes they were still crying

(26:12):
about each other.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah. I always assumed that like when you.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Know what, may peasants wi speak uphen the kids go missing.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah. I kind of just felt like it would be like, oh,
the kids went missing, we don't know what happened to them.
You know what happened to them? You fucking killed the
one you didn't like the most. Yeah, because you don't
have the money to feed them.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah yeah, or one of them.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Starved and you felt bad about it. Yeah, I don't know,
little Charlie disappeared. Sure, yeah, well, such your lugging out
of the woods there, Mike, Oh nothing, a body shaped sack.
These potatoes went bad. Honest, they're they're really we aren't.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
We are only a few generations removed from a period
of time in our history, in particular where like you
would have ten kids and if and like they would
look at your family like five years later, if you
had seven kids, they'd be like, I'm good numbers, all right,
no investigation to the three. Yeah, Like like you just

(27:08):
you're still you know you got seven?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah? Bye, guy. There's a potato pandemic. Every time you
open a sack of potatoes, there's some kind of new
fungus on it. Yeah, so we got to just take
these uh, infected potatoes out to the woods. There. Don't
worry about it. Don't worry about it. Yeah, that's what
it does. It makes it It makes a potato look
like it has a hand. Don't worry about that, Bill,

(27:33):
We're just gonna it's gonna drag it on it out here.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Definitely don't take them out of the ground.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
They smell terrible, smells terrible, my god. Yeah, like a
dead body almost.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It just sticks on you for a while. I just
wouldn't advise it. Just bad for the marriage there, buddy.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Sweet rotten smell. You don't want that in your in
your life.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, hard to say. I'd love to be what happened
to have any other three there?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
There?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I thought you had three that uh three more at
church last week or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
The house fire, Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it happens.
That happens. Your house looks the same. Ah, you know,
we just paint.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's really just that one room. Yeah, it's the one room.
We had them stacked on top of each other, just
the run.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Just the one room on fire, right, Yeah, okay, Yeah,
it's a tough one. The one room they all sleep in. Yeah,
but seven you've got, yeah that they all sleep in.
Uh okay.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
This is getting darker and darker and darker. Uh yeah,
this episode is very much set up for the rest
of the season. And uh I was not I I
didn't hate it. I loved it. I thought it was
really great for what it was. I felt like I
would like it a lot more if I didn't see
most of it in the trailers.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
But uh yeah, I think the only genuine fault of
this episode is that I've seen a good amount of
it and know what's coming and in so much abundance
that I'm I'm just ready for it. Still.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, I thought I knew what was coming, but I
did not expect him to kill the other version of himself,
So I'm excited that that's not a thing I have
to worry about another piecemaker from that universe trying to
take back his life.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
He says something in the dock going forward that was
again there was a lot of stuff about the like, hey,
going forward, that was way more exciting in the documentary
because this episode kind of shows you a lot of
pieces and it shows you a lot of stuff about
the past and the establishment without showing you a lot
of stuff about the future. But there's a line in
there where he says something about like, and I do
love this, Okay, I'll be able to be the good

(29:34):
guy there that I can't be here.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
That seems like it would be a really fun, emotional
art through the series that I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Enjoy, Yeah, because he's going to realize that he's if
he hasn't already, which he hasn't, because what would be
the fun of that. But he will eventually realize like
he is more of a hero in his current universe
because that version of him has all of the acclaim,
he has all of the glory, but he's still a
piece of shit who's just willing to kill somebody without

(30:03):
asking him a question.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that part I want to unravel.
I mean, obviously there's gonna be enough questions here that
I'm good to go as far as excitement, but I
want to unravel that more like his brother, for instance,
seems to treat him as though he normally would act
a little bit more like what affectionately, maybe a little
bit more open, Yeah, and just kind of he's you've

(30:25):
been quiet tonight, bro kind of thing, right, mm hmm.
But that same open, affectionate guy just you know, without question,
was ready to beat the shed out of an intruder
that looks exactly like you, by the way, where you
should ask so many more questions.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, when he keep in mind, though he tells his brother,
I love you. Before his brother goes to bed, he says,
you know, like something like show the fuck up you're drunk,
and laughed at him.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, so like which I didn't in that moment gather
that that's just insane, outright behavior, just like a drunk tonight.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, I think I think they hinted at, Yes, it
feels good that his dad is willing to say I
love you and show him affection, and his brother is
there and they all seem to have a good relationship.
But also think that conversation hinted.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
At he's a little bit closed they've got.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
There's some toxic masculinity definitely going on there, and there's
a hint that the aggie that we know is still
in there because he's still not willing to call those
fucking imps imps. And there's all these little bit of
things that are just like hinting in it. Plus there's
the theme of fucking Hardcourt having the toxic masculinity as well.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, and I think it even cuts pretty pretty close
over to that, Like I think the episode's made to
slam those phrases together for you, mm hmm, Yeah, you're right,
there's a lot more that it's dropping in that scene
about how there's gonna be some seeds. But yeah, right now,
it just looks nice for him. I really again seen
it did a wonderful job the stupor. I really I

(31:54):
enjoyed that. I really like the way they have him
playing this like. It doesn't look overplayed.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
He does.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I enjoyed the drug use, is what I'm saying. I
guess in a way he does. Like a few lines,
he's clearly like he's he's an amount of blackout that
I kind of believe, and then just sort of like
stupors through this situation in a way that I also
thought was really kind of believable. And they overplay it
a lot. Mm hmm. You just overdo the drunk thing.

(32:22):
This was the right amount of drunk thing.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah. I thought he was a good level.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
You know, he gets that blank coked out look too,
you know.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Blank coked out look, but then the adrenaline kicks in
when his life's in danger. He felt like seeing his
brother again sobered him up. Yeah, quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Uh, gun to your head will do it.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, it's fucking well. That was a little yeah in
his alternate self putting the gun to his head. Yeah, yeah,
I just thought it was. The episode was really good,
really really great. I loved it. That really is. I
felt like I've watched I watched a big portion of
it before. Dude, I loved all this shit with Vigilanti
talking about the owls.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
That was. That was painful.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
It was weird. That was.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I actually admit, like, if there was a scene where
I would have been like, hey, I might have cut
that short, it might have been. But that that's probably
from un comfort levels. I know the scene is designed
to pull you through the discomfort that Vigilante puts his
friends through. I understand that. It just also means that
it's uncomfortable to watch where you're like, okay, okay, I
get it, I get it, I get it. Please set,
please stop having him talk.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Dude. So I had a friend it's cute and away though. Yeah,
years and years ago, back in I don't know, fifteen
years ago, twenty ten, something like that. I had a
friend who was just that kind of Vigilanti type character,
like he ain't go kill any a bunch of people
that I know of, but he was just like that
clingy like I'm gonna call you every day guy, and uh,

(33:52):
I worked with him but he would just be like,
oh man, you're never gonna stop me on Seinfeld. You're
never gonna stop me on Seinfeld. Oh man, you gotta
come up with like and you know, I no, I've
seen Seinfeld a ton. Yeah, it's one of my favorite shows.
So he's like, I've got Seinfeld seen it. I've got
Seinfeld seen it. And I'm like, yeah, me too. Fuck.
That means well he have bought about like we gotta play,

(34:13):
we gotta play it. And we played it, and I
beat the funk out of him, like easily, just tore
him a new asshole.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Give me another one.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
He's like, no, we're done, Let's play again. And it's
funny because in the in the Seinfeld's Comedians in the
cars getting coffee, he and Michael Richards have this conversation
about a chess savant in the park muttering and you know,
over his chessboard, and Michael Richards is like, all right,
let me play with you. And he's like, all right,
but here's the rules. You play one game. We play

(34:44):
one game, you lose, we don't play no more. And
he's like see, he's like, yeah, he's beating everybody. He
doesn't he doesn't have time to keep playing you. He's
got important things to do, these savants. But he tells
the story about this guy's like yeah, he just like
bab bam bam bam. And Michael Richards has beaten fucking
you know, computers at chess. And the guy just like

(35:08):
wipes him out and he goes, no, no, no, come on,
let me play again. He's like, no, no, no, no no.
We played one time. You lose. I don't play you
no more. Yeah, And that's that was me with this,
with the Seinfeld scene that I'm like, you don't understand, motherfucker.
I have seen this show. I grew up on this show.
I was not drinking. This was not after work for me.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I was born in the Seinfeld.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
You merely adopted it, yes, uh but yeah, no, I
I I get that feeling that. That's that's how I
related to that scene, is like, and that one of
the reasons I loved it is like economists like, dude,
I don't want to do this. Fine, what kind of
fucking eyes did they have? Yeah, and you're wrong. You
don't know shit about ols. No I do, you don't.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
It is it's a it's a funny conversation like, yeah,
I do. We've all known people that are like, he's
a he's a very hyped up version of it. But
we've known people are kind of like that, where he
he's just happy you had the conversation, you know it whatever,
and it was it was weird. It was awkward, but like, yeah,
you know, we're just it's just it's it's cute. I
don't know, it's kind of endearing, like I said.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah it is. I felt like it was endearing, but
also it was it was like that awkward, painful humor
you're just like, oh, it's rough.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
It reminds me of the early days, like my first
few episodes of The Office. I do feel like I mean,
there's a type of viewer that was always acclimated, that
was always like that, that didn't have like a period
where they had to get used to watching stuff like
The Office, and there were people like me who had
to kind of like I literally sweat, physically sweat the
first few episodes I had to get used to it.

(36:44):
UK or us US is the first version that I saw. Okay,
by the time I got back for the UK, I
was adapted and fully informed.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I feel like UK is still a step beyond what
the US did, but it's so fucking awkward, Like the
episode was.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Not even sure I would have survived i'd seen the
UK first.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Dude, that episode where David Brent finds out he's been
made redundant and they were firing him, and he's like
in that costume where he's like it looks like he's
sitting on a giant bird. Yeah, and he's just like
slumped over and just looking despond it whether taking pictures
of him in this fucking outfit. Yeah, And then he's
like walking around the office in this outfit and he
just looks like he's a little man on a bird.

(37:22):
The whole thing was just so fucking good. It's it
is like my favorite office thing.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's but it's you have to get used to that anyway.
That part of me got activated again watching the scene
about the owls. Mm hmm. I definitely forgot about the
owls a few seconds later when he was standing outside
the orchie wondering what the fuck he was looking at m.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I also thought it was funny that he was h
the flag. Was like, do you see anything unusual? And
he's like unusual. There's a lot of people having sex. Yeah,
but I guess not overtly unusual. Yeah, yeah, Mike, you know,

(38:11):
I don't know. Is one of my one of my
little hang ups is like I want to know. I
wanted to see the process for like gathering that amount
of people for sex for an orgy. Like I guess
people find people, you know, but like I'm going like, dude,
I wouldn't know the first thing about you know, even
attempting not.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, not to do that.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Like, you know, I can't get people to go to
you know, Taco Bill with me, like like one person.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
I can't assume that is a community kind of thing
where you like have like there's a I assume that's
a group tech situation that you're like, hey, guys, my
house and then and then what are you going to do,
like go out and find fifty people that all want
to have sex that night, but are all also up

(39:01):
for the orgy part of it? Right, It's impossible, impossible, odds.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I can't even get my wife to watch The hauntingham
Hill House for fox sake, exactly. I don't know how
you would get any scene.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Marriages threatened over seasons of Netflix series. You can't coordinate
this is beyond, Like, this is beyond you know, nine
eleven conspiracy levels of coordination. I feel like, yeah, getting
fifty people to buy into And even then, that was
a scene where there was a smattering and it did
crack me up. There's a smattering of body types in there.

(39:37):
But even even with the smattering of body types, it's
still not a whole ass sampling of every body type available. Yeah,
it's still a very Hollywood spread of body types. By
the way, the scene's playing in the background and I'm
just saying a couple of things, like I genuinely don't
know enough about eighties rock because he's in the house

(39:57):
at the moment. I don't know enough about eighties rock
to know what all the different it says are. You're right,
says pour some honey on me. I really had not
seen Peacemaker's guitar before, but Jesus Christ, I want that thing.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Mm hmm uh. Yeah. I feel like I feel like
we know people in our real lives, you know who
would be like, oh, you want an orgy, give me
five minutes and a fresco.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I have known people that I for sure could have
been like, hey, so I'm interested in there say no more.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Right I I but you know, I don't think either
one of us are terribly social now. And on top
of that, I am not terribly sexual. Yeah yeah, I
I whether it be trauma induced or or otherwise, I
lie somewhere on the asexual spectrum. I believe, uh could

(40:46):
not could not tell you how to get an orgy together.
But I'm still curious about the process. Is there an app?
Is it like a Facebook group invitation? Like? What is.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I assume it's one of the things that like was
hurt by, like when Craigslist had to go through all
those changes from the bullshit Internet legislation. I assume it's
one of those things that was like, hey, hey, this
is just a bunch of people trying to coordinate here,
damn it. I don't know, Like I assume it's a
feed of coordination that I wouldn't have even the slat

(41:20):
there is a panorama of things that I would not
have the skill set for and how to accomplish that
living room.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I also think it's funny that, like, in now thinking
about it, I'm like, why is this such a hang
up for me? Like? Why am I? Like, no, no, no,
I don't believe this orgy. How would you even get
that together? Quantum unfolding chamber, Yeah, naturally.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
But the orgy, of course they have those, but yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Ninety nine room ninety nine fucking doorways to alternate realities. Absolutely, yeah,
but the orgy thing, that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
So a couple notes about brutality here, one little quickie
because it just it was just on screen too. I
I don't know what those little fucking meat saws were
that came out of Peacemaker bad we're gonna call him
bad peacemaker out of his helmet. But they did not
look kind. That looked painful, and I I haven't been

(42:20):
reminded of something that seemed like and that that's like
the injury that was in God, there's like a shot
in Underworld. I never forget where he's pulling out those
damn circle things out of that out of his back.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
But h you never saw that those movies.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Worth it in a certain way, entirely worth it in
a certain way. But it's a it's a it's a taste.
It's one of those like if if you're into it,
they're they're worth it for what they are.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
That that that sounds like justification talk for bad movies.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
It's now because there's the area where like you'll think
it's bad if you don't care about this at all,
because like if you're into it, you're like, oh, it's
a good enough story. And it did okay, but it's
like a lot of things like the first one I'll
grab you, and like maybe the second or thirds okay too,
and then it was like five of them by the
end of it.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, that sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
It's just like a lot of other franchises. But if
you didn't get on I'm my theory with it is
if you didn't get on board initially, you're just not
gonna give a shit.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah no, And I saw I was there for trailers
and advertisements and stuff, and I just kind of went, nah,
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
And I like, I don't think it's going to have
like a lot of pull you back in potential really,
and it's not subject matter even like Twilight is, like
the Twilight's the kind of thing where like it's just
nothing but old classic monsters. I should love that. I
have no interest whatsoever. These things happened.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, it felt like you know, neo tech, no post
apocalyptic Buffy a little and I just wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
For that, or like Ready Player one, I should like
I thinking I'm going to be interested in because the
premise sounds awesome stuff like that, where like I don't know,
sometimes this time is short.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
The book was pretty okay Ready Player one I read that.
I didn't read the second one because I kind of
felt like, eh, that I didn't need it. I was
kind of out by the end of the first book.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I went it was neat, But it's one of those
audio books I've had queued up for like a year
that I might get around to at some point. Yeah,
but go back to the brutality part. My favorite part
of hardcore Getting her ass beat was the pantsing.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Of course, mmm like it.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I think that's the kind of bar where they talk
about good fights, you know a lot, But it's the
kind of bar where somebody's wandered in and gotten their
ass beat and set outside a few times. I don't
think just doing that, like they'll talk about you, you know,
for years to come, but like it's like one of
the people that got but taking his pants off because
you just like had like I loved I loved the

(44:54):
like she claws, she's not trying to get his pants off.
She's clawing at him to get back up to his
face so she can continue to punch him. Mm hm.
The pantsing is a complete byproduct of how angry like
she's just groping at the like, just trying to get
up to the top of him to keep fucking punching
his head. And I was rooting for I loved the ferocity, man,

(45:16):
I loved it. But even then, after a minute, I
wanted to be like I would have probably pulled her
off at some point, been like, all right, okay, hold on,
I think he had enough hits now, damn. And I
don't think he needs to die on the floor right
this second.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Hold on, girl, Yeah, if you kill him, he won't
learn nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Ay fuck him, yeah, because I can't stand those kinds
of guys.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
No, it's a bar full of people that don't need
the ass be But like, you know, you know, we
gotta have some lines here. Let's not drop bodies over
the comment yet. But yeah, the ferocity of her just
like clawing through this man, oh man, it really sold me. Yeah,
And then I was proud to hear that she dot
all she did most of the stunts or stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, that was neat. That was neat. I'm I don't
know if he's going to do it next week, but
they like did like a live uh watch party thing
on Threads and he just answered questions and made comments
while the show was going. I think it it.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I think he said starting on, I want to say
he's planning on kind of doing that every time. It
didn't look like much. To be fair, No, it's a
it's not like he has fifty messages here, it's I
think it was twelve. I think it was a whole
thread of twelve things.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, and you know, part of me was like, yeah,
because an after show, an after show from you isn't enough. Fuck.
But then yeah, at the same time, like I'm seeing
people like it is good marketing, because I saw some
people who were like, where can I watch it? And
he's like, HBO Max, Yeah, yeahs. You know, there's still
people who are like, I don't know what that is.
I don't know where where? What? Where do I get

(46:59):
all the stuff? Well?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
All right, here's another thing that occurred to me, just
the overall picture of TV right now, Like you this
was you do stuff like that enough and it takes
like you make streaming appointment of viewing again.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And that was one of the things that people were
so mad about it being taken away, Like, well, you've
made an appointment viewing. Now you just got to figure
out way to mountize that that involves that doesn't involve
the ads that you told me I don't have to
have because I paid thirteen dollars for this. So like you,
that's a problem. I see that you got to solve that.
But otherwise, yeah, you've got your appointment viewing back. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, I gotta say it. Even even just the chance
to sit at home and text, you know, the director
of the fucking writer and director of the show. I
mean that if I, even even if I wasn't doing
a podcast about it, that I wanted to jump on
afterwards and do, yeah, like that would make me want

(47:59):
I would be like, oh, little shit, yeah, maybe he'll
answer a question.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
And the funny part is that it it does work
that way because what you're gonna see in those comments
and there'll be hundreds and there are just hundreds of
comments just I think it was one hundreds, but it's
there's gonna be a lot of comments under that and
they're all gonna be the same kind of thing. Hey,
you know, throwing questions out or just saying, hey, I
love to the episode. Oh thanks for doing this blubba. Yeah,

(48:25):
there's there's a rope script to that kind of thing.
But yeah, it's you're gonna throw out like a dozen
questions and then he's gonna snag one off the top
that happened to catch his eye and answer that great awesome, Like,
but like, who cares if you threw one out there
and and and and that didn't get seen. But if
you do happen to catch one of the people that like, yeah,

(48:46):
that's You're never gonna you kidding, You're gonna you're gonna
talk about that for the rest of the time. You
tell people about the show Peacemaker, and you will continue
to tell more more people about this show. I guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I did. And yeah, and he did like a whole
watch party thing and he answered my question.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, I'm like watching the episode and this fucking director
answered the question about the episode while I was watching it,
Like it's hype.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
I know it's small, but it is it is, But
that's what that's what builds fans. Man. Yeah, that's what
we've always lacked.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah, we should sit on our couch more.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
We should. So. I think I've said this on the
show before, and it's a it's a phrase that I've
seen more and more of lately. Happily the gun don't jam. Yeah, yeah,
And I man, I've been seeing a lot of that lately,
and I'm I'm so pleased about it. I I really
want this universe to do well.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
And uh, we're we're only in a little bit. We're
only in a little bit, but uh, to give it
a prognosis, we've seen three different products now right. We've
got a Commandos we got I mean, the suicide Squad
still counts, and we've seen Peacemaker season one.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
But just since our proper line in the sand, we
gotta creach Crando's. We got a supermam, I got this episode.
They're they're all they all feel like James Gun. So
I don't feel like he's stretching himself in some way
that's unsustainable. But they all do feel a little bit
different in a way that they don't feel like he's
necessarily going to burn himself out like all stuff that

(50:18):
hopefully feels different enough to be able to play with.
If there's any worry it is the burnout part, because
every one of these three has been written and directed
by James gun up front. But from some of the
stuff we've talked about on you know, a bunch of
news stuff, It's like he's talked about well specifically you
know Jennifer Hollands a couple of times. Buck, dude, you've
got to take more vacation days. Like right, there are

(50:39):
plans to shift those into other people's show running and directing.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's already in play like Rincher Commando's is being made
currently and is overseen by James Gunn, but not written
by or directed by James Gunn. Yeah, Lanterns overseen by,
not written or directed by Yeah, fucking clay Face. Same deal, Supergirl,
same deal. He is writing stuff, he is working on

(51:08):
the next Superman.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
He saw the dailies, he has not seen the final cut, right,
was that the other day?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
That be an interesting transition though, Yeah, can he did
he pick the right people for that stage? Does it
keep telling the story in a way that is hidden?
You know, that'll be an interesting time.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah. But he's also said like, look, you know we're
doing the best we can as far as like making
sure the script is great and making sure there is
a reason for it to be in existence. You know.
The thing about filmmaking is whether from Gunn or Steven
Spielberg or Zack Snyder or anybody, Yeah, you know, sometimes

(51:47):
all of the moving pieces don't come together the way
you hoped. Yeah, it's just you know, the guy used
to watch movies with Mikey and he would talk about
how making a movie a good movie is like or
making a movie in general. It's just not even a
good movie is like hitting a target from outer space. Yeah,

(52:10):
you know, and it's just like there's so many things
that could go wrong. And he reiterates that a whole
lot in his Scream review because he's just like pointing
out like all the different things that were fucked up
about Scream that should not it should not have been
the success that it was. It should not have had
legs like it did. That fucking movie stayed in theaters

(52:30):
like seven or eight months or some shit because it
just hit on every level in a way that no
one expected it to it.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Well, that was a summer movie at the time, I
want to say, and like, yeah, everything hit the right time.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, So you know, I am not overly shocked when
you know, a Black Adam comes out or you know,
Shazam Furor of the Gods or whatever it is like
when you're just like, yeah, I mean, neither of those
movies were terrible, despite what the Internet will say, everything's garbage,
everything's absolute trash. No, fuck you, they were Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
They're not great, but their workable films. Jam Too by
itself was not even really that bad. They're both meandering
a little bit and Black Adams Editing is all kinds
of weird that well, but like they're not They're not terrible.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
We know, we know why certain problems existed in both
of those films, right, you know, too many reshoots and
you know, the rock fucking up and being like I
don't want anything to do with that silly shit, and okay,
well I guess we're gonna do something else for Shazam Too. Yeah,
there was a lot there, and we've talked about that
a lot on the show, but you know, there is

(53:43):
a lot that can go wrong there, and I'm hoping
that he can kind of gun can kind of put
a bit of a wet blanket on the fires that
might arise in the building of a universe. So far,
so good.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Well, something I realized as you were kind of describing
it is a very comforting. Part of how he's described
it is like he's said some stuff about what's not
going to happen. He clearly his learning like it. It
might be exciting if at this stage we were talking
about how there were going to be one hundred movies
you know, a year, But like that would sound fun

(54:22):
at the moment, but it wouldn't be It wouldn't be
the right call. And I don't know in a reality
where we really were being told that, we're going to
be like, let's just take the slate you just said
about all the movies and TV that like the planned slate.
That sounds reasonable, just double it. If you just in
a reality where that was what we were being told,
we'd probably tell ourselves that sounded fine and like, oh,

(54:44):
this is exciting, but somewhere deep in our souls we
would know that really fucking sounds ambitious.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
That's another part where like, yeah, you're telling us you're
not going to do that. Good call.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, he's got the next chapter of
The Super the Superman saga that he just finished writing
the teleplay for, or the treatment for. I should say
that's prescript. He says, it's going into production sooner than
you think. Cool.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
The other day though, I saw him talking about the
DCU opening, just the little animation with Superman like popping
his chest and breaking the chains and that's it, And
he was talking about how like, yeah, they met with
somebody and they he wanted like a cool logo or whatever,
and they either like kind of gave him a mock
up or whatever and said, oh, this will cost two

(55:35):
million dollars, and he just started laughing. He's like, I'm
not paying two million dollars for that. We're not doing that. Plus,
like the Marvel thing, like it gets in the way
of the actual movie and they sometimes it works out
well and then you got to like change your opening
to fit the stupid open. Nah, we're not doing this shit. Yeah,
And both of those reasons. One, he's protecting the artistic

(55:57):
integrity for the filmmaker, for those involved and how they
want to open their fucking movie. Two he's two million dollars.
Do you realize two million dollars is like nothing for
these fuckers for these these big studios.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
But James Gunn on one suit.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
But James Gunn is going, We're not spending that on
on an opening that would be in front of every
one of our films. No.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I think he even goes further with that joke and
says like he says like I want like, we're not
spending two million dollars on that. I want to make
a I need to make a flying dog like.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yes he did. But I love it. Decision there, sir,
I do love it. That's where his head is at,
where it's like, Okay, first of all, we need to
we need to respect the integrity of the filmmakers and
not have a thing that just it gets in the
way too much of what they're trying to do. Olso
that's just a ridiculous amount of money for like a

(56:50):
little logo at the beginning. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely I am.
But yeah, I'm I'm down. Uh you know someone made
I saw someone made some little logos that are like
the Superman win but with the characters that are in
the episode or in the in the whatever the project is.
I gotta say I really loved it. I kind of
wish they were doing it. I want to see a

(57:11):
little animated peace maker. I get it, and if I
see it again, I'll send it to you.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
It could be fun to throw around. So it's the
kind of thing where he what he's done is so
plain that I think if one of the people hands
is off two does want to fuck with the logo,
I don't think he'll care. Maybe right, I mean, And
it's also his so short, it's what like six seconds
or some shit whatever, you can just throw his in
before and then do your own thing.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean all of these are exactly that, Like,
they're exactly the same format. It's just like, you know,
it's like peacemaker walking towards you and raising a hand
or something. And I think one of them was fucking
green lantern or something doing something. Yeah, they're neat. They're
neat exactly the same style. At the same time, it'd
be neat if you get you know, twenty thirty forty

(57:54):
movies in whatever it is, Superman is not even in
the movies anymore. Yeah, and you're still open with that Superman.
That'd be kind of cool. Yeah. I don't know what
they do in fifteen twenty years. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I mean, curious if we went fifteen years, Yeah, you
can kill him off, have him retire the character, and
then just open one of the movies and like a
couple of movies from now with that logo out of
nowhere and he surprises you. We can have a lot
of fun. Mm hmm. That's fifteen fucking years from now.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Though.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
There's a lot of setup, but we got a I mean,
there's a good amount of set up here.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
By the way, cameos wise.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Well, Michael iam Black, Oh him too. He mentioned something
about inmates escaping from Arkham. Now it's kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, yeah, and that was raising I so incidences that
were raising. I realized also Michael Rooker is in the
opening Dantce number and oh he is in there in
the back. Okay, I see that one till the second time.
But yeah, the other cameo was, Yeah, just like the
interview over at what is that debunk Toy Factor or

(59:02):
Bunk Toy Store. I don't even know what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I've never seen a strip mall that looked more like
a strip club. At the same time, like, it's those
phrases aren't supposed to actually mean the same thing. Yeah,
and then you see this building and you think that
looks like a strip club and a strip mall.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, it felt like when they were first pulling in,
it felt like I know that place is in Center Point.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yes, yes, yeah, Like I have met in parking lots
very similar to that.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I have desperately tried to get through parking lots unscathed,
very similar to that. Yeah, it's like, don't mind me, Fellas,
I'm just trying to get to this Wings shop over here. Yeah,
wings stop, whatever one it is this week, dude.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
And like something that cracks me up about like the
every time they do an establishing shot of or it's
not even establishing shots, because they really do use the
front yard at Peacemaker's house here, but every time we
go we see his front yard in his neighborhood. I'm like,
got it, that looks like a house I've done repairs on. Yeah,
I've taken sheet out of that yard.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
You mm hmmm. Yeah, it did feel familiar. It seems Liverpool. Also. Also,
there was like another point where like out of Bay
is sitting in the car and I felt like if
they panned just over a little bit, I'd be I'd
see like the song Goodman. Yeah, yeah, blinking, yeah, there's saws.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, I realized once we got in there though, we
got one. We got half a line from uh Sean
Gun in Superman, right, but yeah, you know, some time
with him here and that's gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah. He seems like a total dick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, well mostly he's the only one that showed any
remorse at the end. No, when he realized he was
being yeah, you're right, he was. I did when this
was airing in the second time, I had to go
back and look. So this has been airing in the
background as we've been talking, of course, And sure it
got to that scene a few minutes ago where it

(01:01:00):
was just him discussing things. It was great. And it
got to the end where he talks about the camelto
I actually to go back, click back real quick and
looked as he walks in, and yes, the character leaving
that scene, the bunny lady, uh huh, prominantly has some cameltoe.
Like that's that's worked in mm hmmm. So yeah, their
discussion even funnier. But like, yeah, he's the only one

(01:01:24):
that actually seems to give a shit at the end
that he's hurt anybody's feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, that bunny lady was somebody that I've seen kind
of recently and I can't remember her name. I feel
like a White Rabbit, that's her name, the White Rabbit character, Yes,
who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Because I I knew that must be. That's got to
be a real pool somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
And now comes the part, yeah, where we were doing
comic cast with normally a feature on our Patreon. Gana
Hudson's father was an American diplomat assigned to India, where
he met and married her eventual mother, a Bollywood actress.
Jana was raised in Gotham at private schools. She was nine,
she met Bruce Wayna to charity function to raise funds

(01:02:04):
for relief in Pakistan. The two later began dating. In
The Mysterious White Rabbit, Jana's pathological duplicate form made her
first appearance during a prisoner breakout from Arkham Asylum. She
is a sexy new villainous for Batman in the new
fifty two reboot series Batman The Dark Knight.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
The character escaped and accidentally ended up in this interview.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, I guess the character's first appearance says both Jana
and as white Rabbit was issued number one. The two
were later revealed to be the same character in issue
number seven. Yeah, okay, I think that's there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I'm not seeing the part where I was waiting for
the turn where it justified her being at this interview
for superheroes. But I guess maybe not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Well, she's got an agility, duplication, a scape, she's an
escape artist, and she has stamina, which I guess works
for Bruce.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I guess. But like, as you were telling the back
part of the story, it was like, even the background
of that is just like okay, okay, but that is
that's that's that's a hell of a story for her
to be telling while trying to tune out the fact
that they're just talking about her Campbeltoe the entire conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Right, I mean, she's like gotta be rough. She's kind
of I guess she's kind of like multiple men in
a way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Like she's got like the duplicate part y.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah, like she I don't know if she can do
more than one though.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, people get real. There's a lot of ways to
do the replication powers that are interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I mean it looks like it might just be like
an alternate personality thing where she like becomes white Rabbit
and stays herself, So like there's Jaya and then there's
White Rabbit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Genuinely the way she the way she left that interview,
I do kind of hope that was an astral projection
that got turned down that hard, and maybe maybe she
can go back and not tell her corporeal form about
the details of that interview. Yeah, I don't know, just
go back and say it went badly, don't ask questions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
I think it'd be fun to see her again. Oh, probably, Yeah,
she was played by singer Bray Noel is played by
a real person or yeah, a known person, a known singer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yes, now I would I would say, is it just
like some singer in a rock rand just because James
Gunn knows them?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And maybe that's a maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Let's never put that past James gun Although we are
at a stage where if I just sort of had
him cornered for a few minutes, one of the questions
I think I might ask James Gunn was like, just
just tell me, just just curious how much of your
directing career is at this point actively just you trying
to sneak in as many bands as you can to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Shit maybe, but she's also an actress. She's been in
a See You Again the Woman with My Face secrets
between sisters replicate her. Yeah, it's been a ton of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
It makes more sense that he would just cast an
actor to do an actor job, you know for sure. Yeah,
I just he definitely is deeply enjoying the part of
his job where he just gets to be like, and
you're gonna listen to this band now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, and like good, I do the same.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
I get it. Like in high school, during and we
were running the theater at some point because the the
program almost got shuttered and we just kind of had
to just keep it going. We kept it going just
by continuing to do stuff instead of not doing it.
So like, but we were the only ones seem to know
how to operating any the equipment at some point, so
they just have us run shows. And that also meant
that they would just have to give us sleeway. But anyway,

(01:05:25):
so like it was just between a couple shows and
intermission and like, yeah, you know, I mean my Boddy
like got to pick the music that was being played,
and we picked something without curse words. But we deeply
enjoyed just being able to pick whatever the fuck we
want to throw it on there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean, just writing my little newsletter,
I threw in a reference to uh, Studio sixty. Yeah,
and also like a little plug for it, like find
the show and watch it, promise. Yeah. I was like, yeah,
and yes, you should absolutely watch Studio sixty on the
sunset strip if you haven't seen it. Also if you have. Yeah,

(01:06:01):
so yeah, I know I've howered in James gunshoes. I
would absolutely be thrown into lots of little things that
I enjoy. Yeah, a little plugs for things. What other cameos,
because that's what we were talking about, cameos. What else
you got that you noticed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Just that scene, I suppose, because I guess it really
is just those three and then you know, the rest
of these are just characters. But I mean just the
characters from the other part of the universe. I guess
is like that little interview part. Come to think of it, though, Green,
Lantern and Hager really don't do a ton. They just

(01:06:36):
sort of laugh at how bad the interview's going, yeah,
and then delight in Maxwell's failure. Yeah, but it does
get you a really great shot at the ring, another
really great shot at the ring and his gold tooth,
which I want to believe is there after Batman punched him.
But we'll see if that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yeah, I don't know yet. I don't know yet. Let's
that's just hope. That's that's they're waiting on putting that
on screen. I feel like Gun will eventually have that
on screen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I think it has to be. I mean, I say
it has to be. It's one of those things where
like you don't have to show the pearls necessarily because
we all know that scene kind of thing. Cool, but yeah, no,
no one knows about that. That's that's an inside that's
an inside thing, So like, yay, you can definitely show
that on screen. Everyone will love it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Of course we have to actually cast a Batman for
this to happen though, so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
It's gonna be a minute. Maybe I won't be a
minute for a guy Gardener lose that tooth if it
happened that way, although maybe he's pop up the story
a little bit, and like that's why he got so
mad in Superman when he was like make a move,
Big Blues because like at some point Superman just accidentally
hit him in the face and knocked his tooth out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
He's been kind of like feel a little bit small
ever since that minute.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
That'd be fun, would fit Guy Gardener, though. I wonder
if someone has asked Gun how he lost that tooth
or there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Are two questions in that area. That is one of them,
and the other one was I really want to know
how you got the nanobots in Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I want to know how much terrific did that and
if it was just that he said, Hey, if you're
going to work with us, then I think you should
have these. I think there's a chance that this persion
of Superman would just be like cool, that actually makes sense,
and go go with it. But m h so that
would be an explanation, perfectly valid, but not as exciting

(01:08:31):
as I could hope. For sure, I would like it
to be a little more siptate. It sounded a little
more sinister when they did it in the film, and
I'd like to think that he sneaks that into Superman somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
But how Yeah, yeah, I'm curious, do you just put
it in like a burrito or something? Clark was eating.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I'm sure there's plenty of foods. I'm sure you'd love
to have it. Like, yeah, maybe it is that simple.
Maybe it's just that his nanobots are that clever. All
I got to just get it him inside him in
the they'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
But like, yeah, it's nano, you know, you just like
program it. It just flies in. Superman wouldn't even see it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah, but then you're gett end up with weird discussions
where it's like, yeah, but he's that strong on even
a cell your level, so you wouldn't be able to
just manipulate his cells. Oh Jesus Christ, Like yeah, that'll
that'll get in the weeds real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
And then it gets in the weeds real quick. I
saw someone someone else bringing up the like, oh, Superman
alone is can never have a baby, because I'm like,
Jesus Christ, better men than you have brought this up
and made a better scene with it and moved on
with our day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, there's a couple of like, in my opinion of
that particular question, there's a couple of really funny texts
on it, and then the rest of them, while they
may be valid, are entirely boring and not worth my time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah. I saw somebody responding with like, well, his Kryptonian
father taught him how to uh control his emissions? Jesus Christ. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
We didn't need to do all that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
We really didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I don't know. Never. I don't like the sentence control
emissions and father being in the same I don't those
shouldn't be no stop.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Oh, I think it's style. We noped out on this one. Alrighty,
thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed
our review of Peacemaker two to oh one. The Ties
that Grind I think that was what it was called.
I haven't looked back at it and the Ties the Grind.

(01:10:28):
I did a pretty good job remembering that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Then I would neguly get a little danced up. That
was the other bit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Oh yeah, and James Gunn did the mo cap for Yeah,
that was a cool reveal I was. I was pleased
with it. I liked the opening intro this time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
I liked it last time on both occasions. But yeah,
don't think anything will ever hit like the first one,
just because the surprise factor. You can't have that again, right, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Don't know they could do a thing like season three
where where like totally looks like it's gonna be like
a dance sequence and then it's just like a like
a like a ten second soft shoe and a sit.
Yeah that could be fun, but you know, I know
people are gonna WinCE and draw back a little bit
when I say you the name. I enjoyed every opening

(01:11:16):
of The Cosby Show, and everyone was a different dance.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I don't remember that factor at all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Like every season, every season was just like new jazzed
up version of it, slightly different version of it and
of the song, and then like them dancing. I think
the first season was just like I don't know, fucking
collage of them playing baseball or some stupid shit. But
then after that it's just like different versions of the
family dancing as they're being introduced. It's very very peace

(01:11:43):
maker in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
So it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah, I was. You know, that's how you know what
season you're in. If you look at the reruns, you're
like flipping around Cosby Show comes in there like oh
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
I did watch that one in my nicknote rotation, but
I don't remember that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, I think who was the what was the show
that did the they never they the whole There was
a whole bit about how every season they couldn't find
a good opening for it. Was it Everybody Loves Raymond? God,
I can't remember now, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
All I remember about that one is the thumbnail of
him like sitting in a lawn chair. I thought that
was the actual opening, though I never watched it. Everybody
Loves Raymond.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Just it might have been. I feel like Drew Carey
did a different opening almost every season.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
He I think, did he did? Yeah? He he mixed
it up pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, And I would know that except for a long time.
It wasn't like the entirety of my growing up. It
really wasn't in syndication anywhere. Mm hmm, Like it just
kind of disappeared until very recently and I was like,
oh God, all all of Drew Krey show it's not
streaming now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah, yeah, that one, that one's probably worth.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
It might be a lot of Crystal Miller in that show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
God, she's good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Mm hmm. A lot of Deadrich Bader also good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
There there's not really any failure on that cast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
That was Craig Ferguson. Yeah mm hmmmm, all right. Anyway, uh,
Patreon dot com slash DC on screen. Like I said before,
if you want to come hang out with us and
rattle about whatever, and we've got chats and cool community
at the very least, And I don't know, we'll we'll

(01:13:22):
get back to the news as uh it's deemed appropriate.
But for the run of this, I think we're we're
absolutely planning on doing every episode of Peacemakers that comes out. Yeah,
so uh, come on back, y'all. You can check us
out as well as the official one with the fucking
guy whatever. Oh gun yeah, yeah, raw rah going to

(01:13:47):
jam Okay, now he's in our space.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Fuck yeah the JG. That matters.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Uh, but no, yeah, I don't know. Until next time,
keep some DC on your screen. Bye,

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