September 20, 2025 • 52 mins
We're reviewing the latest episode of Peacemaker, 2x05 - "Back to the Suture", and it's another banger though we are on the edge of our seats for the greatly-praised final three episodes of the season!We have some more predictions and have fun discussing our favorite moments as well as insights from the official Peacemaker podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome in to DC on Screen. I'm your host, David C. Robertson.
This is Jason Goss. Oh, today we're talking about Peacemaker
two oh five, Back to the Suture. Is that right?
That's what's called right?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It is?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is all right? Huh So I am.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I enjoyed this episode, had a great time most I've
had so far. Accident.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That might be true, that might be true for me,
I'm not sure. I do continue to wonder if they
did themselves a favor or if they did themselves at
a service by hyping up six through eight so ardently.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, that remains to be seen when we see six
through eight.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, it's just like I just feel like the whole
I feel like every episode that isn't those that aren't
those episodes. It's just like I'm going in with like
almost like pre letdown. So I'm like, I know they're
not gonna do anything cool in this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Like it's not true, it is, Yeah, I mean no,
I genuinely I went into this episode assuming that the
last uh you know, the closing minutes would do something
super impactful, and it delivered. Yeah, nothing that I didn't
think was happening already because we've been leading to these moments,
but you know, to get right into it. Yeah, Chris
closing the door behind him and hopp into the other
(01:16):
universe for a happy ending. This feels that that would
be like a season finale if we were designing the
show a certain way. Sixth the eight weren't staring at
us like down the barrel of a punt gun.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, I love that punt gun. M M. I love
that on the on the pod on the podcast they
did where they were just laughing about like, of course
Rooker knows how to use this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's where I learned the word from Rooker just then
when he was describing it. I thought that was a
giant ass prop too, of course, because fuck, are you
serious look at that thing?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I thought for sure a gun was like, let's
make up a comically sized gun. It should be two
Rookers long.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, usually they use them in a tripod in a vote.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Apparently, or then I guess the boat is made to
sink after firing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, they actually, like I think I looked it up
and they it looks like I think they stopped using
them because they were killing too many waterfowl.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Probably, I'm not sure bugs Bunny would have survived that motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It is what Gun described as like like like the
gun equivalent of throwing dynamite into a lake.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, it's brutal. It looks fantastic on screen with oh
red Red Saint sat Red Saint Wild, Red Saint Wold.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't want to throw that anyway, Red Saint Wild,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah. Uh. And I did pick up on what Rooker
was saying on the podcast, which was that when he
is when he kills the eagle and then all the
other eagles, led by Eagley, start to take him down,
and he realizes that Eaglely is the prime eagle, he
(02:53):
does show remorse, and he does there is redemption there.
He is sorry for his entire the entirety of his life.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I agree. Ricker completely sold me on that. I bought it.
That was interpretation of the scene.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yep. And I loved it on the podcast though the
like Gun was like, oh you don't You didn't think
he was just being a pussy. Yeah, It's like no, no,
this was him, Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean, the the scenes, the contemplation before the scene
was that he was just supposed to go in there
and just get his ass chude, literally, I guess, And no,
Ricker came away and went, no, no, no, I think this
guy's got going to have an actual spiritual moment here
and he wins the day. That is, as a viewer
what I came away with to the point that I
thought it was weird that they left in that he
(03:38):
tries to stab one of the eagles. I almost thought
that that should have gone almost in the in the
way Rooker played it. Mm hmm. It almost seemed like
he just rather of them rather than have killed him
at that moment, that he was just that sorry. But
like I even in that moment when he stabs at
the one eagle, I kind of excuse it as like
a last grasp, like you know, almost nerve endings twitching,
(03:58):
kind of like, yeah, what is gruous?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's just the survival instinct kicking in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But I had to excuse it because of how Rookers
sold me the scene.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Mm hmmm uh speaking of uh redemption to some degree.
Fucking flurry dude.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Right, how cool was that?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I loved it because they've made the character such a
joke up to this point. He's a cartoon, but econom
was like booking Chris so that there's a paper trail
and Flag can't just beat the beat him to death
quite literally, and Flury says, it's good that you did.
It's good that you did that, Like with all earnestness,
(04:38):
I adored it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It was good. It was it was well done. And
then did you see the the mention of it from
Meadows later in the little feature at the end. Uh yeah,
And but insidantly anyone listening who did not take the
time to go back for that extra it is like
six seve minutes or whatever, completely worth your time. Uh
huh that. I think they did two of those. They
did kind of one after like the first episode and
one after this episode that are kind of like these
(05:02):
little five six seve minute features after at the end.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, piece by piece is what they're called.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
There we go, And uh, I thought they were both
worth it. This one definitely is. Meadows even calls out
the fact that he does a quick head nod in
that scene. I didn't catch you at the time. That
is a cool fucking callback.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, call back to the whatever it was second the
first second episode where we meet Langston.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Second second, second, second episode because I complained in the
first episode that I hadn't seen two Meadows yet. So
second I think it was like, but yeah, he does
the because he comes in and greets him. It's like, so,
what's your what's your greed? What's your favorite greene? I
don't know, like a nod, you know, and that's how
we end. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yep, no, now I do. I was a big fan
of Meadows. On the phone with Judo Master, I don't
need I don't I don't need your whole PC the
proper word from Mauschkin's Midget bullshit. Yeah, it's like, that's
not how that works all.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Uh uh, oh my god, I'm kind of flipping to
these scenes so far I'm finding him okay, it's it's
it's wonderful the again Meadows. God, he's so good, the
way he flips from kind of being engaged, he's he's
going at him too. And then Judah Master just he
does a great job describing how how graphically he's going
(06:17):
to pull that dick from his body. Uh huh and
just meadows his face. Man, you had to stop and
laugh at that shit. He completely buys. It goes straight
into like man, it is great that they sent you
for this. Huh, what can I do for you? Like, uh,
the fear is real. Yeah, one hundred percent buys that
his dick will leave his body, probably rightly. So I
(06:39):
don't think he's wrong. I think Judor Master would be like,
whatever punishment, Hey, I have comings, fine, he had that coming.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's Judo Master is a scary little bastard, he is.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's another point. The show does make you think it's
gonna leave people as cartoons and then tend to kind
of ground him right when you're not looking or not
expecting it, you know. So Juda Master, for instance, cartoonist
right now, right, he just he's always in that little costume.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I haven't really seen him do anything. He's always eating
Cheetos to like a to the extent that I worry
about him nutritionally mm hmm. And he doesn't mean anything
yet other than he's just kind of this cartoon literally
bouncing around and kind of doing whatever is needed of
the scene. So I wonder if we're going to drop
the other foot on him at some point, do something
kind of fun with him. But for now, he's just
(07:24):
been a great foil for whoever the fuck he's in
the room.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
With he's going to the other universe.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I was excited that it was him too.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
May or may not be uh incredibly kind to his kind.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, yeah, I am, by the way, and this is
fun too. If anyone's tracking or cares. A couple episodes ago,
I was, I was very sure, Like I think I said,
it makes sense and like all the pieces are in place,
but I absolutely don't think that they're going to do
in Earthfects. And with every creeping hour I feel less
and less confident about that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You should.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Just clocking my uh, just clocking my lack of resolve
as it goes away.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I don't remember if we talked about this in the show.
I saw some breakdown that was pointing out that like
the ash trays you see and the mansion, like where
the little like notches are for the cigarettes to go,
it makes a swastika.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Oh, I think I'll go working look at that. That'd be good.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And the I think someone pointed out like the the
alternate universe Hardcourt and uh Blue whatever his name is,
Like you know, Robert Patrick and his brother uh there
there there dance are doing kind of resembles a swastika
with their arms and legs the way they're doing them.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm again I'm feeling less and less uh
good about my earlier predictions.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But I looked this time when we saw him go
into the universe, there was no there was there was
there was all white people behind everybody.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh yeah, it is still And what's really gnawing at me, sorry,
Like the part that keeps creeping up, the one I
can't get let go is like on the podcast, he said, uh,
when they're talking about the scene where Jerry blows up.
First of all, Jerry's named. They the show clearly takes
a beat to let him be Jerry, and like even
the shrimpy guy who gets killed in the hallway, like
(09:09):
they'd even let him have a moment. That's it's funny,
but it's also kind of it could it lets him
be a lets him be a person. So they let
those characters be characters for a second in a way
that he could just begun raising the stakes on people
he's about to kill, because he would do that. M hm.
But it's hard to forget that Jerry had a name.
(09:31):
And then in the podcast he kind of for a
second he says like, oh, they all had names. Apparently
all of the Sons of Liberty, I think they were
called uh huh had names. And on top of that,
the part that's got to fuck with you a little
bit is like, sons of Liberty these days is the
kind of shit that like that would be a serious
red flag. But in the history of the US, the
Sons of Liberty were actually like a good thing for
a second. So I don't really know if what angle
(09:55):
you would take with the term. Anyway, all that to say,
I'm getting less and less sure that we're not going
down there road That math is hard to square.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, And also he made me want.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
To care about those characters, and I can't get rid
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know. I think I at the beginning of of
this uh review, not this one, but when we started
reviewing Peacemaker, and I was talking about the Sons of
Liberty possibly being good guys in some capacity, and you're like, oh, no,
Gun called him terrorists Like yeah he did, though, Yeah,
but you can be a terrorist for good causes, Like
you could be like these their actions are not good.
(10:29):
Do not do what these people are doing. They are terrorists.
On the other hand, their cause is just.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But like the way he and that parts that part
hard score too. Yeah, but the way he said that
on the on the podcast, like they're terrorists, like he
he said it, meaning it in the most derogatory sense.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But now like I'm watching I know good, I'm watching
them in the background, and like now every time they
go to the other Earth, I'm just staring at every
ounce of background.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
This cigarette ash the ass or whatever the fuck they
are just flip ahead. He's just flying around.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now. Well, apparently there's no Superman. Yeah, I mean, I guess,
I mean maybe not. I don't know. They well, the
Top Trigo or whatever they're called. They did take down
the Kaiju from Superman.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They did, but that doesn't mean it's exclusive to me.
Like the our Superman in the in the what we'll
call prime now, I guess is he doesn't have to
be there for everything. He famously lets the gang do
their thing in the background.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Dude to fucking corns, what shows up with an SS
on his chest, I'm gonna freak.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh god, Yeah, we'll have to go ahead and give
him all the fucking awards for that shit.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I don't hell, even for budgetary purposes. I'll take Crypto
showing up with an SS that's you can just mol
cap that in.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, I don't know. You know, they could have
built that into the budget for his you know, initial
appearance as Superman. I mean, you know, I don't know.
They take pay cuts to be people take pay cuts
to be in smaller projects that can't afford a big thing,
(12:09):
you know what I mean, like corn sweat. It might
come out and was like, yeah, corn sweat was in
this episode, but like Rooker last episode, he you know,
got paid minimum wage plus snacks.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, he just put on a different costume. We literally
just stuck on like a different version of the shield
and there he is right like it was a day.
It was like a day on Superman. It took about
twenty minutes or an hour or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Or even don't maybe even don't do that. They just
do the costume and in post you could just hat
just hate stay completely in costume. Will you run to
this other room over here for fifteen minutes? And he
just strolled in the room. Yeah, bust In look very
mean for a second. Will make everything work? No, worry
about that really is all I would take. If he
just busted into a room, beat up like one dude,
(12:51):
and then flew off in costume, you'd be like, cool,
all right, we're in universe and that's Nazi superman.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Got it, That's all uh huh h.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It would absolutely kill. So going through some timeline stuff
you get the flashback. This episode was hardcore a their
their conversation by the way, as actors loving the loving
those two more and more every episode, which to Grillow
and Hollyood. Okay, actually there's no one here that that
doesn't apply to. But I mean, genuinely, the acting this
(13:20):
season has been fucking stellar. They're not an I wouldn't
know where to start looking for a weakness, but you
get a little bit of the background. I love seeing
Rick Flake's funeral, like the actual funeral, Economost kind of
putting his hand on the casket. The the day that
they're actually mourning their friend, A very important day. But
I don't know, it's hard to watch hardcore.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
That the way you say it very important day, it
sounds like it's a fucking frog and toad book.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I know, no well like it because like in the
history of the show, you know it was. It's this
is a marker moment, but Frog and Toad mourns a
friend a very important day, very special episode.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Sorry, what were you saying?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
This one is PG? Well, I guess it's PG till
the end when she's like, I'll fuck him up, I
guess she just says I'll find the people responsible. Anyway,
it was a big deal and it was fun to
see I guess the origin of how much? And she
does a great fucking job got She looks so angry,
but it's fun to see, like the resolve on her face,
and she actually tells Grillo straight up, I will take
(14:23):
care of this mm hm. So in the history of Peacemaker,
that was a big moment. I think I've been ambiguous,
like her relationship with Chris. At any given time, I
wasn't sure what understanding she had of the murder or
what her intentions were around it. But my understanding now
is that, regardless of whatever happened and who was responsible,
(14:44):
she did say to that man, I will kill this
dude for you.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah. Yeah, she's known the whole time, and Gunn has
known the whole time that she knew the whole time.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, and then now we see, like when Gorilla is
looking at the picture of the eleven Street Kids in
the previous episode. Yeah, how hurtful that must have been
to even see that picture for him.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, there's like a twinge of betrayal. Yeah, it was
a twinge of like what the words that came to mind?
I know that they're problematic, but the words that came
to mind is she's gone native, you know what I mean,
Like she's turned her back on me because she has
become sympathetic with him.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, brainwashed in some capacity. Yeah, but yeah, I
mean like that was for him, It really is a
deep betrayal, Like that was the last bit of whatever.
Rick Flagg Ricky, No, what does she call him?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
General?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He's supposed to be Rick. He's Rick and his boys Ricky?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is that it? He calls Rick Junior Ricky Ricky?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right, I was just trying to use the name
he used, Like, I think I forgot where it's going
with that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Entirely.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
The names threw me entirely. It'll come back one day.
They started dancing. It got to that part in the
the scene and of lust track.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, by the way, and maybe this will bring you
back in some way. I'm not sure, but it's something
will in a minute. This will not This would not
qualify for a PG thirteen because doing Greek in the
security contexts no clue, but prostitution it means but fucking.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah. Yeah, so great conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, it's gonna be an hard rated one man.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, great conversation. They Vigilants like sense of humor in
the show, and he never means to be as funny
as he is, which is the best part. The timing
they use for him tho where he just waits that
extra second to be like, yeah, but that did sound
like which is hot because I think I've heard on
the on that podcast, Freddy's Stromos said a few times
that he he doesn't like the comedy part feels like
(16:44):
a stretch for him. Uh huh, But I don't know
what to tell you, bro, You're doing great at it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, okay. So here's the thing is, like, I love
I love the version of Vigilante that James Gunn has
created here. Uh but every once in a while, like
every couple episodes, I think back to like the comic
book version of Vigilante and Adrian Chase, which was very
closely done in Arrow with the guy who turns out
(17:13):
to be Prometheus. In season five he was Adrian Chase,
and they also had Vigilante in that season, but he
turned out to not be Adrian Chase because they did
a little switcheroo on us. But that version that like
balls the Wall, let's nail these motherfucker's version of this,
da Adrian Chase is very much who Vigilante was in
the old Teen Titans comics.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, so like there is like a scuba diver.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I mean he's wearing almost the exact same fucking.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Outfit, I know, and somehow it just looks goofy or
on the pages.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It does a little bit, but I can't help it.
Every couple episodes, like as I'm watching this version of
Vigilante on Peacemaker, there's a piece of me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
That mourns the serious one.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, there's a piece of me that's just like.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, that's fine. I think in this cond you can
just list it under anticipation for now. I think you're
gonna get plenty of time with it, really, I mean
not a lot of time with like the big serious version.
I just mean, like there, I think there are glimpses
like I just go back to like the White Supremacy
ass beating last season. Mm hmmm. I think all I
(18:18):
need is a couple of those. I just need Vigilanti
to occasionally put the mask on do something very serious,
and I'm good for a while.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah. I think it would be very, very very cool
if we go over to this other universe and Vigilante
is that character, Like if he is like this very serious,
like da motherfucker whose you know, family gets wiped out
or whatever, and you know it just finally cracks. I
don't know, like.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
There's almost no version that he all right, So if
you do anything anything different whatsoever, it's gonna be interesting
with this because this Adriad is so fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
What if you just he goes to the new version
and it's just a well adjusted Adrian or just like
a guy who is kind of like hyper spectrum like
this guy is but did a lot of you know,
work in therapy and kind of has a lot of
coca mechanisms around that next pretty normal when you when
you look at him, you know, so like he just
gets into us guy who was like, oh, this guy
has like no awkwardness in his life. He's got like
(19:16):
rapport and friends like he just he would he would
clock this as like, oh he has rapport with you know,
seven people, but it would it would be a little
different the way would clock it. But even that, just
oh what if he met him and he was normal
would be bizarre for this Adrian.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, like that. Here. Here's what I'm saying. Here's
what I'm getting to though, is uh you know, I
uh I get because I do occasionally occasionally see someone
complain about why they have they couldn't named this guy
anything and they didn't have to ruin Vigilante, And uh
(19:49):
I get that. But like there's like three of us, y'all,
Like legitimately, there's like three of us who are like,
oh man, we really love Vigilante.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Actually know that we're.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Fucking teen in the nineteen eighties. Yes, I have that
run in my basement. Absolutely. I mourn it. I want
it same time having a great time with this guy.
He's gonna let it go. Try to let it go, y'all.
I know it hurts, but you know you can't, Like
I really.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Do think you'd be able to fill that tank with
a couple moments just here and there. Yeah, yeah, it's
just you know, it's not everything you wanted.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's it's not exactly And I get what James Gunn
is doing, and I would do that with other characters.
I don't care about it, you know, like there are
tons of characters in the comics that I don't have
any interest in, and i'd be like, yeah, I'll fuck
with that character. I don't care, Like I'm sure, Like
I mean something.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
We're watching No Peacemaker is exactly that. You wouldn't have
given a fuck about that, and now you're watching a
show about him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh yeah. Here's the thing though, about Peacemaker as a character, Like, see,
to me, there there are differences. There's like, here's Peacemaker.
I don't give a fuck about Peacemaker himself in the comics.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
No history whatsoever. I have never given a shit, barely
knew he existed.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He's a boring character. Uh. The only interesting thing about
him is his psychological obsession with peace and the fact
that he thinks that he'll you know, he the it's
not it's hilarious. The whole concept is just peace. Peace
by any means, like I'll kill everybody for peace. Yeah,
that's fun. That's funny, uh gun is adding spokes to
(21:22):
the wheel here for Peacemaker.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, he rounded it out.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Now, some people could say, yes, the same is true
of Vigilante. To me, he just changed the character entirely.
And that's okay because there's, like I said, there's like
three people who know who Vigilanti is and I'm one
of them. Not really, but this, you know, a very
small group is.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
A good point. There's gonna be a small amount of
people like yourself who are worried that this version is
very much different than your comic book version that you're
used to.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
There are way more who are vaguely still familiar with
the arrow version who are like, well, this isn't it.
Y'all are gonna be swamped by those people.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Mm hmm. And this other thing is like, you don't
want to do exactly what Erro just did. I mean,
the only thing that they really changed was that he
turned out to be like a real villain at the end.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well yeah, but even still, both of you combined are
still a ridiculously small minority.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah. Yeah, So, I mean I get the annoyance, but
at the same time, there is something there that's like
stings a little bit, but then I'm laughing at something
Adrian does and I don't care anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
M true, yeah, or it's odd or math is it
to the best Adrian scene ever? That fucking crying, Yeah,
that was dope. I I cried with him, not kidding
like I normally exercised doing this. I had to stop
for a second because it, like my chest tidened and
I had to got a tear out, like that motherfucker
got me.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And it's not only because he's lost Chris. It's because
Chris called ads bestie in the text m h and
only texted her after only writing her the letter, like
Adrian just got like.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's a complete body son, but.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Layers of confirmation that he's not Peacemaker's best friend.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well it's but there's there's a lot for him and
that in the breakdown, like he it's layers and layers
of that. But that's that's also the kind of stuff
that he faces that every day. I don't think that's
gonna I think he'll look past that tomorrow. He'll just
go back to this is my best friend, and that's
what matters to me.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Mmmm man.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Maybe not though that that was rough, but same time.
That is all that matters to him. That was his
that was his best friend, that's that is his world
as the only person on it that he actually cares
about in any real way. And that person just vanished
and locked the door behind them and and did so
in a way that made you feel like whatever it was,
y'all had only meant something to you.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And like that breakdown and then to fall on ads
on top of that, and then and and then watch
her behind him when she when he's breaking down, like
she she she's feeling how bad he's feeling. For a
say it. That fucking scene killed me.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
They did a great job with that. They did his
and his sobbing is so fucking real, dude, like it.
It's like I've seen and had that breakdown where it's
just something in your soul went, ah, this is never
gonna be right again.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It's rough, man, Yeah, great, great? Absolutely? How did you
feel about Slasha Bordeaux being a cyborg? Here?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Very cool?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Let's see the uh they says she was in a
plane crash. H I don't remember the specifics. Almost said
the pacifics it was Pacific or was in the Atlantic. Yeah,
I don't remember the specifics uh. In the comic, she
was turned into a cyborg and became an Omac ok
after being infected with Nan Knights by Brother I during
the Infinite Crisis event.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
There's nothing here that would be incompatible, and.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Her infection was partial and left her with free will.
I'll start contrast to the other Omax.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
But uh, I mean in this context, she's using her
free will to be a bit of a douche to Chris.
So I could see Omac.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, yeah, I saw some people very excited about Brother
I though, yeah, and I was like, uh, and I
think it was I thought it was an interesting Uh,
I don't know, insinuation possibly, like I would love to
I should have. I should have I should have asked
James Gunn the question. He probably wouldn't have answered it,
(25:16):
but I wish I could have been like, hey, man,
so does this mean Brother Eye because that would be
very interesting considering how closely all that ship lines up
with the version of Max Lord you said ain't ain't happening,
So like I kind of want to know, like how
does that play? You know, not in any kind of
accusatory way, just like, but all that O maca Brother
(25:36):
Eye stuff was very like, very closely tied in with
evil Max Lord who shot Blue Beetle in the face.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And you know, as with anything here, you know, gun
is gonna pick and choose, cherry pick what he likes
and dislikes. And I was wondering if the fact that
she became a cyborn because she was in a plane crash,
as I don't remember her being in a plane crash
in the comics, not saying she wasn't. I just don't
remember it. There's a lot of shit to remember in
the comics. Yeah, I just didn't. I just don't feel like.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That would be just grabbing two pieces out of place.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
One.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, he said, I don't want to use that version
of Maxwell Lord. This this just this guy's gonna be
like a gray area at worst. Financier, that's the version
he wants to play with.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was Simon Stagg who shot Blue Beetle on the
face this time.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Magnus has always been a bit of a dick.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Let's make him do it, oh will Magnus?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, like this first, I don't think he's gonna mess
with that. I just I don't Jesus Christ, I just
needed a rich dude who's kind of a dick for
for example. Yeah, but yeah, like it's that and and
and I don't think he wants to fuck with anything
Batman adjacent yet I wouldn't pull that out of the
(26:52):
bag yet. Like, it's just not time. It's she's a cyborg.
She can sit around for a while. You can bench that.
We can bring them back a little bit later. I
just don't have any time to do it yet. Yeah,
there could be a really cool backstory involving all that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I'm just curious. Uh, By the way, did you
notice it in the In the podcast, he says he
promised Rooker that playing Red Saint Wild won't go against
Rooker playing someone else in the DCU.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Later, Oh yeah, they made mountains of it. And which
is funny is Rooker even says, Oh, they're going to
take this and say that, oh come back. He kind
of mumbles that, And the first article I saw was
like exactly that. Yeah, the gun says Rooker not done completely.
You know, he didn't say that. He just said that
you never quite saw a body. And they were excited
about they were excited about the fact that it's still
technically possible.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right, he said that he well, okay, he said that that, yes,
he never saw body for for Red Saint Wild, but
he also actively stated in the episode that he promised
Rooker this does not mean that he won't play somebody else.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He did explicitly make that promise. And they said, but
but so they said that Saint Wild isn't I mean,
he's gonna be thingerless even if he.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Is, Yeah, but he might not be saying well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But they left him open in a couple of capacities
and he will be back though it's it's Rooker.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, and here here's the other thing. So that frees
up Rooker to have been savant and the suicide squad. Sure,
that's also like a thing that I'm very, very weirdly
okay with. If you look at comic books, how often
people just look like people are drawn the same over
and over again, like oh god, yeah, Superman looks like Batman.
(28:33):
And you know, if you there's certain like if you
look at an Ed Benis book, for Christ's sake, there's like,
I like ed Venice, but you know, his black canary
in the face looks like a huntress, I mean, and
they and they both look like uh, you know, Barbara Gordon, and.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Like most superheroes, if you just stripped away all the
colors in Autrema is just kind of like vaguely like
six to eight, you know, non colored faces that are
rearranged a lot. It's kind of a Taco Bell menu
of rear injury.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Man, why'd you say that?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Because it is I mean, yeah, it just kind of
looks like the same couple. But like that's not even
a it's not even a dig at the industry. It's
just when I'm drawing. When I'm drawing early comics, you
don't get so much detail, and I only need so
much detail.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Just draw face, right, No, you don't understand. I don't
disagree with your point at all.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Which part of that did you just?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now? When we get off of the show, I'm really
gonna have to fight to not go get Taco Bell m.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I haven't had it in a while.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Oh man, they're doing the the Y two k era stuff.
And then they got the caramel apple and panadas again.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I tried one, all right, but no, it.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Was great, all right, my ass, fuck you some magical
mystical thing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
That's that's fucking just the other the decades menu and
I looked at it. For the most part, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I see why that's not here.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah. Well, now that they're now, they're just doing the
Y two K.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Decade, angry at me, yelling Meximount as we speak, a
bunch of slightly dressed up tomatoes tortilla.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I remember this. I was dating this girl and we
had gotten to Taco Bell. She was She didn't want
to brush her teeth or anything. She just wanted to
start making out, and I was like, I kind of
recoiled a bit and I was like, no, no. She's like, like,
what's wrong. I was like, you smell like a Mexi Mount.
(30:42):
She said, you're ruining the moode I'm like, no, I no, madam.
I pray you did.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No the Maxi Mount ruined the mood. I was only
here for it. I'm only reporting on the incident.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The mood could be restored. Go brush your teeth. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So God so the imagery that we've invoked here, I'll
go directly to my favorite line from the episode, and
you may understand why. Then you get there is the
thing about economist saying I had her her mangled pre
op photo as the background on my phone for a year.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Uh huh, I didn't make my brain.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, and then I didn't. I forget how exactly he
says it, but the way he said, even a bit
about like, yeah, I had her mangoled pre op photo
on the back of the background on my phone for
a year or whatever. That one hit me. And it
was one of those laughs that hit me. And then
it hit me again as I kept hearing it, and
then as he said like I didn't make my brain,
it was like the third wave hit me, and it
was like I was standing in the ocean just trying
to get my bearings, and by that that was just no.
(31:42):
That third would knock me down. I had to pause
the episode and go back a few seconds. I'm just
standing alone in my basement watching this episode and hauled
over laughing. Love it when I'm actually alone and have
to stop because I'm laughing. Those are great.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah. I don't think I actively laughed the entire episode,
but I generally don't when I'm alone, Like if I'm
just sitting there like I don't know, like I get
like a weird thing where I just like, I don't know,
a fucking joker smile I just sit there and Joker
smile as shit. Yeah, because I'm just like soaking it in.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
All crushed up in artists replaced half a body of machinery. Jesus. Okay, yeah,
I hate her so much. I used a pre up
foot of her mangled body as the screen's over on
my phone for a while. That's fucked up. Well, I'm
not the one who made my brain. And then she
just moves out whatever. We have to get Chris like,
they're just fine with him, they're good with him.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, I get it more than you know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
This is still a person like that. That changed nothing
about her with her relationship with John, that was that
was fine, going in, fine leaving.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, I mean, she's running around picking bar fights with people.
I know. I know.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's hard not to like the eleven Street Kids, though,
like she she didn't find that particularly out of scope
for John, but not completely unexpected.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I'm I'm hoping this episode marks the end of uh.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh yeah for me just looking somebody directly in the
eyes as an active heroism.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, I hope this episode marks the end of Harcourt
just sitting around scowling.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't think she's completely She's got some asses that
need kicked. She's gonna be an art for the season.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I'm fine with asses needing kicked.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Sitting around part I think you're done with.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, Like, I am tired of just seeing her sit
around and scowl in general, I'm like, Okay, let's be proactive,
let's go get Chris back. Finally, let's like move towards
something positive with her.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Right, I'll grant you that, I'll give you, and I'm
excited for that too. I will, though, suggest though, that
the last shot her flashback when when she's doing at
the funeral, when she promises over shoulder to kill him
and then hits back. I will submit that as the
swan song and a great one of the sitting and scowling.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah. Now, I also want.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
To be out like an absolute queen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Also want to be clear, this is not me complaining
about an element of the show. Necessarily, this is me
being invested in the character's arc.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, you're ready for it to keep going.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm ready for her to move on. Yeah, Like, I
get it. Her life is shit, Waller fucked, her lost
her best friend, might be kind of in love the
guy who killed her best friend. Fuck, lots of shit. Okay,
it sucks, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, but now you now you want some action, Take
all that random dude's in bar ass beating energy and
go fuck up another universe for a minute. Yeah, possibly
a Nazi one could be a lot of fun, y'all.
I am really even as we've talked, I'm starting to
buy into it. I think I'm at like the forty
five percent mark.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Now. By the way, I love that, Uh, the lame
excuse that economists came up with for let's say wild
to like scapegoat, No, there's another eagle that made him
think it was the prime eagle.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It was just foreshadded into what actually happens.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think even when they're talking about it,
like Age's like yeah, for him, he was just that
was just bullshit. But like, nah, it does turn out
in the in the reality of Peacemaker, Eaglely is fucking special.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And great great story arc with Red Standway. So that
was a goal Gun had for the season was Eaglely.
He thought, man, Eagley's such a great character, I want
him to have his own villain. Let's make a little
story arc for Eaglely too, And to give it it's
it's due. In this episode, I cared very much about
Eaglely's subplot in this episode. Uh huh, there was a
whole ass beat you. I mean, there was a there
(35:30):
was an entire arc with an eagle heads up or
hats off or whatever. To the Bradley Baker for making
me really understand what this eagle is trying to get
across all the time.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But yeah, like there's a whole fucking story with it.
Like I love the little bit where the fox runs
away and you get to see the eagle kind of
twist its head like, huh, that's mother fuckers out to
get me.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Huh huh.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I understood that eagle understood that on some level and
went oh hmm. And then yeah, I guess he gathered
his friends and the scene, it's a wonderful scene. They
all come together swooping the way Eaglely lands and just
sort of is clearly in charge of the room. God,
you got a great fucking it was a great Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It did give me, unfortunately, some flashbacks to Catwoman and
Batman returns being gnawed and given imbued the powers of
the cat and you know what, I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I do now. I didn't get that, but yeah, I
think I think Red set Wild just just died by Eagle.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But yeah, here's the thing though, It is like, oh.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
There's voodoo chips in the in the snack machine here,
good job, guess it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Uh retroactively made Batman returns work better for me? Uh huh,
because I'm just like, oh, no, fuck it. In the
DC universe, animals can just be imbuing motherfuckers with their
their their prime powers. Like there's a prime cat somewhere
that made her Catwoman. Fine, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You brought up the red recently, didn't you?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So I did? Yeah, I sure did.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And let's let's just go and head canon that as
being the explanation for the Burton verse Catwoman.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, which I'm pretty sure Burton would scoff at and say,
I don't fucking read comics.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Then we're doing the work for you and you should
think us.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yep. Oh, how do you feel about Eagerly being the
prime Eagle?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I love it, big fan, that silly term for it
to turn out to be real. I doubt that's what
Eaglely would call it, right, don't. I don't know what
to think about the phrasing of there, but like the
concept that eaglely really genuinely is able to do things
that eagles cannot do. It's fantastic and completely warranted given
the show.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, I stumbled upon some article someone was trying to
get James Gunn in trouble for a cultural appropriation and
copyright infringement because that prime eagle symbol looks similar to
like a real symbol used by some Native American tribe somewhere,
(37:58):
and like even like they actually like went out their
way to interview the guy and like the main person
in charge or whatever of that representation of that tribe
or something, and they're like, yeah, that doesn't really I
wouldn't say that was infringement.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, I'd be surprised to see. I mean it's similar.
It would be hard to make a case for Like
most religious symbols are meant to be used over and
over again, that's the very point. Yeah, So if it's
in any capacity that's religious, even quasi religious, it gets
very I assume it could very hard to make a
copyright case.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, but like the copyright case, they didn't really have
anything on so like even though they included in the article.
The article is most like, is going wrong for doing
the cultural appropriation. I mean he hung the lantern on it,
but no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
No no, that's not no no no, you're you're no hanging
the lannern is when you do something and as the sidebar,
you go, yeah, I know it can also be seen
this way, and I'm just gonna make a wink at it.
This is that's a Paul McCartney wink. No no, no.
What he did here was plan a character called Captain
cultural appropriation.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, that is not a wink. But then he made
it real yeah in universe. Yeah, now, of course the
thing that he was appropriating was real and killed him.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, for his sins maybe, But even then, I guess,
like I would still kind of argue that he's really
just a sorcerer that's got a really bad habit of
using indigenous language that he shouldn't use.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's
like the thing that he's putting on his head. And shit,
the little eagle symbol, like it existed supernaturally and was
represented behind Eagly, but then Eaglely and his friends tore
the fuck out of him, like gave him, give him
a new asshole.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, and even then, like that's I saw that as
his perspective of, you know, him him getting in touch
with whatever he thought was divine in his last moments.
But it extrinsically means nothing. I don't have to believe
that eaglely thinks he anything of that symbol or saw
it himself. He eagerly doesn't think he's gonna be night
Wing or whatever that thing is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Ah it does. It doesn't like night Wing very much does.
And that's funny because I've always like when when they
started using that symbol on night Wing in the animated
series I believe, or the New Batman Adventures, I went,
why does it now look like he's Native American? Because
that time kind of looks like a Native American symbol.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
There do some sorts the I think it's the fact
that the heads at complete, like that complete whatever turn
half turned, whatever profile thing. It's like in any kind
of glyph situation to end up with like several cultures
that have that association. I don't know. Man, it coded
that way to me too, though.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You and I think what they were like looking at it, though.
I think they were trying to do like the modern
day night Wing symbol that was going on that was
like the blue streamlined, you know, bird shape. But I
think they tried to they tried to like simplify it
for one thing, for animation, but then they I feel
like they wanted to add what to me is like
(41:00):
Native American fringe on the ends of it. With those lines.
I think they were trying to like do a cross
between the modern what was then the modern day night
Wing and the old nineteen eighties night Wing that had
like the little boxes, yeah, the little yellow boxes. I
think they were just trying to do some combination of it,
and it just wound up looking Native American. And then
it also was worse because they gave them like a
(41:22):
nineties like a mullet that was very like prominent with
like any Native American character that you came across in
the nineties.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Right and has already drawn to be dark guard either
that black or sometimes they'd color it as blue. It's
gonna be the same color when you read the comic, though,
is every other dark haired person there?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Mm hmm. Anyway you got anything else? I think I'm done.
I think I've got nothing else.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I do have a couple. I do have a couple.
I mean over a couple of scenes. Sure, So that fight,
one particular spot of that fight, I was trying to
click ahead to whoever it was, but ill show when
he comes after or when he comes after Peacemaker, when
he's just about to kill fucking Peacemaker. This is what
I'm going Rick, Yeah, yeah, all right, So that scene
(42:11):
is one of the ones that this this had to happen.
This was something that I've been waiting on since the
season started because it had to happen to advance things.
I think I'm with I'm right here where you are
with hardcore. Maybe it was time for Rick to punch
Chris Smith in the face a few times and then
them talk so the rest of this can keep going.
I understand how we got here, but I'm glad it
(42:33):
happened so we can keep going. And it was brutal
and genuinely I don't think he was going to stop
until Sasha pops up in that room. I think he
dies in that room. H And the other fun part is,
I think I think Peacemaker lets himself die in that room.
I don't think he was gonna stop him.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, no, I don't either.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
That was my read of it, at least now. Interestingly,
on the podcast, they kind of bring up like who
wins in a fight, like if Chris is really trying,
and they kind of him in hall like I don't know,
maybe we need to keep watching mm hmm. Like there's
an insinuation that maybe this there's gonna be a rematch
here and that maybe Chris is actually gonna punch back
this time, which leads me to think that maybe Rix's platform.
(43:10):
And by the way, there's another part in like the
piece peace thoughts or whatever seeing it kind of ends
that saying like Rick's stuff is getting out of control
and it's dangerous, Like yeah, he The thought is that
Rick's search for vengeance is going to be a major
antagonizing thing, like something that has to be stopped in
this series. So the next couple of episodes, somebody's gonna
have to put it down or him down in whatever
(43:32):
capacity that comes.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, he's he's gonna have to get over his shit
to some degree.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Might be that Peacemaker is going to have to punch
it out of him a little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, I'm very curious, Like I had thought, like, look,
if we're gonna keep getting Rick Flagg, which I don't
know that we are, Like we don't have.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
The way they talk to him in like behind the scenes.
I always get the sense that he's meant to be
around for a while going forward.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But that might be But yeah, do that to us. Yeah,
I I could see Rick Flagg just having to die. Yeah, yeah,
but I it's I think it's interesting that I did that.
Like Rick Flagg has to forgive peace Maker, but more importantly,
peace Maker has to forgive peace Maker. And he hasn't
(44:21):
done that yet.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Oh not at all. I think he might after that beating.
And you know, he like he this is his amends,
Like he came in, he said everything by the way
the knee to the head where he's like under that
windows sill, the integration windowsill. Yeah, he busts the sheet
rock like I polished it to look at it, and
like it's yeah, they maybe they used the same like dummy.
(44:44):
I wonder if they used the same dead dummy they
used from earlier. But yeah, that is a real fucking shot.
He puts his whole ass back into that fucking knee.
Oh that is rough to watch, but like it. It'd
be hard not to take that beating and not while
way thinking Okay, man, I at least went in there
and said everything I was supposed to say. He did.
(45:05):
He just he apologized. It's all you can do now.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
He's tried to render another universe to get away from
from what's gonna be left if no one in his part.
His point is not it's hard not to take his point.
He's done everything he possibly can. Hear, maybe it if
he just gets to start over there, he can just
do something good and like, just maybe there's no fucking
point here.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, I mean, Harcourt's given him the boot.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And she verifies by the way the thing that and
I did, like that moment where he says, I understand, Yeah,
they were all right. So we've confirmed that the boat
all that was romantic. It wasn't some red herring, and
like they sat together on the boat is probably the story.
It's just that simple, and yeah, it's it's gonna be that.
And she tells him here, yeah, the fact that you
(45:47):
killed Rick will never be something I can get over.
It just is what it is. And he you know,
I get that. I respect that cool. All right, We've
got that moment, but again for five episodes. Now, this
is why I love this episode so much. A lot
of cathartic moments, stuff I've wanted for the five episode.
It's great build up. I've enjoyed the whole ride, but
I needed all these moments to happen, and I got them.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Mm hmm, yeah it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
That was great. And then you saw the previews of
the next one, like we're gonna get to go to
the next universe. I did something I really appreciate. We're
not gonna do a lot of him in and hauing
where they just can't get there and the crews are separated.
It looks like next episode we're gonna be ten minutes
in and these people have found him and we're.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Going Yeah, looks like it. I like them in there.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I like the momentum.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'm man, I just I just want the next three
right right now.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I know, I know, right now, and get it. I
gotta I'm gonna obsessively go back through a bunch of
episodes and look for astrays and shit a little bit later. Yeah, yeah,
I'm excited. This is about as excited as I get
for any show as it comes on. It's like six
seven eight right now is about as much as I
want to see anything. I know. This is what my
boy sounds like when I'm that excited. But that's about
(46:53):
as keen as I get to be, Like, fuck me,
where the fuck are we going with this?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Like the vocal equivalent of David du Coveney's face.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yes, yes, just as expressive.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
You know, we mentioned it before Peacemaker premiered. Now that
we're about halfway through, we're a little more than halfway.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Through, we're over the halfy mark.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, how do you feel was was Superman or Peacemaker better?
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh? God?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Because I was saying I was more excited for Peacemaker
than Superman before.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right now they're really it's really hard not to stay
tied because I'm like, I'm right in the thick of Peacemaker.
It's been as satisfying as everything I was hoping for.
It's just longer. Overall, I really am believing with the
same you know, experience of joy right now, and Peacemaker,
for what it's worth, is like kind of leaving me
with similar tones, you know, give or take a few
(47:48):
dick flops. It's not been you know, it's been a
different environment to be in mentally, a lot to be
over in the Peacemaker world than the you know, like
what the hey dude world of Superman. But yeah, you know,
leaving it like when you leave Superman with that feeling
of like, God, I actually want to be a better person,
but I'm not. Right now, I'm kind of leaving Peacemaker
with the same feeling like these are these are people
(48:09):
that I like spending time with. You know, there are
people I respect, people are people that are trying to
do good things. So far, it's been the same universe
to me in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, it has felt like the same universe to me.
And but here's the things, like I have liked Peacemaker more.
It's felt more like a meal to me.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Uh oh yeah, more protein that way. But again, do
we get more time with it to build?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I know, I know, And that's what I love. I
love that.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I mean, this is as much as a novel and
you did you really did get a weekly with sum
and this is a graphic.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, absolutely, And as much as I do sit and
kind of go like, oh man, I just wish they
could go ahead and move on and I wish they'd
do this, and I was that's part of like the
anticipation for me with TV shows, and this is in
you know, hopefully anyone who's listened long enough to like
remember when we were doing our uh you know, our
aero verse reviews, Like there's something markedly different about how
I'm talking about this.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Oh god, Yeah, they're at the very height of the
CW like when the Flash was had a man in
the mask, like when that was genuinely good television for
a second. You can hear us speak that well of it. Yeah,
but then you can, you know, like us talking about
an episode of Peacemakers. That's that's the tent or the
entire time.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I have really enjoyed it, even as like
even in my down moments with Peacemaker, I've just like
my really, my only big issue is I wanted more.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah. Yeah. So far the main criticism has been that
we haven't gotten to this episode, and now we have,
so I've been pretty pretty pleased with this. But in
particular yeah, yeah, god, then part of the in is
so shitty of the motel or whatever she is, Christ, Yeah,
I should be condemned. There's like mold in the corners
of every single spot.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Of the room. Yeah. Uh yeah, man, I just want
more of the show Man anyway, I'll stop saying that. Uh.
We will come back, of course next week with our
review of two o six. I keep wanting to say,
three oh six. We just me and Matt and I
(50:09):
just wrapped up Star Trek Exchange New Worlds. Uh. And
they're on season three, so I'm stuck in a three.
I'm like three oh five. Now, damn it, shut the
fuck up, loser, it's two. It's two. I'm incredibly harsh
with myself. By the way, Yeah, it's not fun in
the spring.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
The inner shame is real. Oh you know, we should
wrap up in general, but it would. By the way,
Hardcourt taking down Peacemaker was fantastic too.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Oh it was great. And I love the copaesthetic stuff
that she was warning him god ship. Yeah yeah, and
I love that, like he I love the way he
was just like he was playing with the dogs, he's
hanging out with kids, he's running around.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Oh yeah, that was just to say out of or
make sure he's always obstructing the view.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's great, Yeah, you for it that he is actually
good at what the fuck he does.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, but they did a little bit, like when she's
getting in the car and she says, like, you better
ring the whole time. You can't. You can't take down
the peacemaker with these people, like she's just giving them
an honest score. Uh huh, you can't take down the
peacemaker with like these six people. You have teams, right,
But then yeah, and then by the way, if you
want a great conversation about that, please do go listen
to their podcast about like they they spent a lot
of time talking about how hardcore like prepped for like
(51:24):
felt like she needed some more muscle mass just to
even make that scene look right, like because she knew
there was gonna be a scene like it's it's a
cool discussion.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, that's wonderful. Anyway, Yeah, we should thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
For listening and over every line of this episode. It
was great.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
All right. Well, uh, if you enjoyed what you heard
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(52:01):
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(52:23):
Roberson dot substack dot com. There is a link in
the show notes. And we'll be back next week with
the next episode of Peacemaker and our review of it.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Anything anything else, Nope, nope, very satisfying. Let's do next week,
same time.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Sound good. I don't know about the same time. I
like to get it up a little. I'd love to
get it up a little, a little earlier.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
That's fair, that's fair, all right, We'll see you about
six days then.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
All right, Well, Jason, I love you, thank you for
being on the show with me as always, and thank
you all for listening. Until the next time, keep some
DC on your screen. Hi.
You were listening to DC on Screen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome in to DC on Screen. I'm your host, David C. Robertson.
This is Jason Goss. Oh, today we're talking about Peacemaker
two oh five, Back to the Suture. Is that right?
That's what's called right?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It is?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is all right? Huh So I am.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I enjoyed this episode, had a great time most I've
had so far. Accident.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That might be true, that might be true for me,
I'm not sure. I do continue to wonder if they
did themselves a favor or if they did themselves at
a service by hyping up six through eight so ardently.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, that remains to be seen when we see six
through eight.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, it's just like I just feel like the whole
I feel like every episode that isn't those that aren't
those episodes. It's just like I'm going in with like
almost like pre letdown. So I'm like, I know they're
not gonna do anything cool in this episode.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Like it's not true, it is, Yeah, I mean no,
I genuinely I went into this episode assuming that the
last uh you know, the closing minutes would do something
super impactful, and it delivered. Yeah, nothing that I didn't
think was happening already because we've been leading to these moments,
but you know, to get right into it. Yeah, Chris
closing the door behind him and hopp into the other
(01:16):
universe for a happy ending. This feels that that would
be like a season finale if we were designing the
show a certain way. Sixth the eight weren't staring at
us like down the barrel of a punt gun.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, I love that punt gun. M M. I love
that on the on the pod on the podcast they
did where they were just laughing about like, of course
Rooker knows how to use this thing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's where I learned the word from Rooker just then
when he was describing it. I thought that was a
giant ass prop too, of course, because fuck, are you
serious look at that thing?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I thought for sure a gun was like, let's
make up a comically sized gun. It should be two
Rookers long.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, usually they use them in a tripod in a vote.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Apparently, or then I guess the boat is made to
sink after firing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, they actually, like I think I looked it up
and they it looks like I think they stopped using
them because they were killing too many waterfowl.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Probably, I'm not sure bugs Bunny would have survived that motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It is what Gun described as like like like the
gun equivalent of throwing dynamite into a lake.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, it's brutal. It looks fantastic on screen with oh
red Red Saint sat Red Saint Wild, Red Saint Wold.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't want to throw that anyway, Red Saint Wild,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah. Uh. And I did pick up on what Rooker
was saying on the podcast, which was that when he
is when he kills the eagle and then all the
other eagles, led by Eagley, start to take him down,
and he realizes that Eaglely is the prime eagle, he
(02:53):
does show remorse, and he does there is redemption there.
He is sorry for his entire the entirety of his life.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I agree. Ricker completely sold me on that. I bought it.
That was interpretation of the scene.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yep. And I loved it on the podcast though the
like Gun was like, oh you don't You didn't think
he was just being a pussy. Yeah, It's like no, no,
this was him, Like yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean, the the scenes, the contemplation before the scene
was that he was just supposed to go in there
and just get his ass chude, literally, I guess, And no,
Ricker came away and went, no, no, no, I think this
guy's got going to have an actual spiritual moment here
and he wins the day. That is, as a viewer
what I came away with to the point that I
thought it was weird that they left in that he
(03:38):
tries to stab one of the eagles. I almost thought
that that should have gone almost in the in the
way Rooker played it. Mm hmm. It almost seemed like
he just rather of them rather than have killed him
at that moment, that he was just that sorry. But
like I even in that moment when he stabs at
the one eagle, I kind of excuse it as like
a last grasp, like you know, almost nerve endings twitching,
(03:58):
kind of like, yeah, what is gruous?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's just the survival instinct kicking in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But I had to excuse it because of how Rookers
sold me the scene.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Mm hmmm uh speaking of uh redemption to some degree.
Fucking flurry dude.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Right, how cool was that?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I loved it because they've made the character such a
joke up to this point. He's a cartoon, but econom
was like booking Chris so that there's a paper trail
and Flag can't just beat the beat him to death
quite literally, and Flury says, it's good that you did.
It's good that you did that, Like with all earnestness,
(04:38):
I adored it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It was good. It was it was well done. And
then did you see the the mention of it from
Meadows later in the little feature at the end. Uh yeah,
And but insidantly anyone listening who did not take the
time to go back for that extra it is like
six seve minutes or whatever, completely worth your time. Uh
huh that. I think they did two of those. They
did kind of one after like the first episode and
one after this episode that are kind of like these
(05:02):
little five six seve minute features after at the end.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, piece by piece is what they're called.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
There we go, And uh, I thought they were both
worth it. This one definitely is. Meadows even calls out
the fact that he does a quick head nod in
that scene. I didn't catch you at the time. That
is a cool fucking callback.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, call back to the whatever it was second the
first second episode where we meet Langston.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Second second, second, second episode because I complained in the
first episode that I hadn't seen two Meadows yet. So
second I think it was like, but yeah, he does
the because he comes in and greets him. It's like, so,
what's your what's your greed? What's your favorite greene? I
don't know, like a nod, you know, and that's how
we end. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yep, no, now I do. I was a big fan
of Meadows. On the phone with Judo Master, I don't
need I don't I don't need your whole PC the
proper word from Mauschkin's Midget bullshit. Yeah, it's like, that's
not how that works all.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Uh uh, oh my god, I'm kind of flipping to
these scenes so far I'm finding him okay, it's it's
it's wonderful the again Meadows. God, he's so good, the
way he flips from kind of being engaged, he's he's
going at him too. And then Judah Master just he
does a great job describing how how graphically he's going
(06:17):
to pull that dick from his body. Uh huh and
just meadows his face. Man, you had to stop and
laugh at that shit. He completely buys. It goes straight
into like man, it is great that they sent you
for this. Huh, what can I do for you? Like, uh,
the fear is real. Yeah, one hundred percent buys that
his dick will leave his body, probably rightly. So I
(06:39):
don't think he's wrong. I think Judor Master would be like,
whatever punishment, Hey, I have comings, fine, he had that coming.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's Judo Master is a scary little bastard, he is.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's another point. The show does make you think it's
gonna leave people as cartoons and then tend to kind
of ground him right when you're not looking or not
expecting it, you know. So Juda Master, for instance, cartoonist
right now, right, he just he's always in that little costume.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I haven't really seen him do anything. He's always eating
Cheetos to like a to the extent that I worry
about him nutritionally mm hmm. And he doesn't mean anything
yet other than he's just kind of this cartoon literally
bouncing around and kind of doing whatever is needed of
the scene. So I wonder if we're going to drop
the other foot on him at some point, do something
kind of fun with him. But for now, he's just
(07:24):
been a great foil for whoever the fuck he's in
the room.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
With he's going to the other universe.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I was excited that it was him too.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
May or may not be uh incredibly kind to his kind.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, yeah, I am, by the way, and this is
fun too. If anyone's tracking or cares. A couple episodes ago,
I was, I was very sure, Like I think I said,
it makes sense and like all the pieces are in place,
but I absolutely don't think that they're going to do
in Earthfects. And with every creeping hour I feel less
and less confident about that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You should.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Just clocking my uh, just clocking my lack of resolve
as it goes away.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I don't remember if we talked about this in the show.
I saw some breakdown that was pointing out that like
the ash trays you see and the mansion, like where
the little like notches are for the cigarettes to go,
it makes a swastika.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Oh, I think I'll go working look at that. That'd be good.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And the I think someone pointed out like the the
alternate universe Hardcourt and uh Blue whatever his name is,
Like you know, Robert Patrick and his brother uh there
there there dance are doing kind of resembles a swastika
with their arms and legs the way they're doing them.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm again I'm feeling less and less uh
good about my earlier predictions.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
But I looked this time when we saw him go
into the universe, there was no there was there was
there was all white people behind everybody.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh yeah, it is still And what's really gnawing at me, sorry,
Like the part that keeps creeping up, the one I
can't get let go is like on the podcast, he said, uh,
when they're talking about the scene where Jerry blows up.
First of all, Jerry's named. They the show clearly takes
a beat to let him be Jerry, and like even
the shrimpy guy who gets killed in the hallway, like
(09:09):
they'd even let him have a moment. That's it's funny,
but it's also kind of it could it lets him
be a lets him be a person. So they let
those characters be characters for a second in a way
that he could just begun raising the stakes on people
he's about to kill, because he would do that. M hm.
But it's hard to forget that Jerry had a name.
(09:31):
And then in the podcast he kind of for a
second he says like, oh, they all had names. Apparently
all of the Sons of Liberty, I think they were
called uh huh had names. And on top of that,
the part that's got to fuck with you a little
bit is like, sons of Liberty these days is the
kind of shit that like that would be a serious
red flag. But in the history of the US, the
Sons of Liberty were actually like a good thing for
a second. So I don't really know if what angle
(09:55):
you would take with the term. Anyway, all that to say,
I'm getting less and less sure that we're not going
down there road That math is hard to square.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, And also he made me want.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
To care about those characters, and I can't get rid
of it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know. I think I at the beginning of of
this uh review, not this one, but when we started
reviewing Peacemaker, and I was talking about the Sons of
Liberty possibly being good guys in some capacity, and you're like, oh, no,
Gun called him terrorists Like yeah he did, though, Yeah,
but you can be a terrorist for good causes, Like
you could be like these their actions are not good.
(10:29):
Do not do what these people are doing. They are terrorists.
On the other hand, their cause is just.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
But like the way he and that parts that part
hard score too. Yeah, but the way he said that
on the on the podcast, like they're terrorists, like he
he said it, meaning it in the most derogatory sense.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
But now like I'm watching I know good, I'm watching
them in the background, and like now every time they
go to the other Earth, I'm just staring at every
ounce of background.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I'm looking at.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
This cigarette ash the ass or whatever the fuck they
are just flip ahead. He's just flying around.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Now. Well, apparently there's no Superman. Yeah, I mean, I guess,
I mean maybe not. I don't know. They well, the
Top Trigo or whatever they're called. They did take down
the Kaiju from Superman.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They did, but that doesn't mean it's exclusive to me.
Like the our Superman in the in the what we'll
call prime now, I guess is he doesn't have to
be there for everything. He famously lets the gang do
their thing in the background.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Dude to fucking corns, what shows up with an SS
on his chest, I'm gonna freak.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Oh god, Yeah, we'll have to go ahead and give
him all the fucking awards for that shit.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I don't hell, even for budgetary purposes. I'll take Crypto
showing up with an SS that's you can just mol
cap that in.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, I don't know. You know, they could have
built that into the budget for his you know, initial
appearance as Superman. I mean, you know, I don't know.
They take pay cuts to be people take pay cuts
to be in smaller projects that can't afford a big thing,
(12:09):
you know what I mean, like corn sweat. It might
come out and was like, yeah, corn sweat was in
this episode, but like Rooker last episode, he you know,
got paid minimum wage plus snacks.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, he just put on a different costume. We literally
just stuck on like a different version of the shield
and there he is right like it was a day.
It was like a day on Superman. It took about
twenty minutes or an hour or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Or even don't maybe even don't do that. They just
do the costume and in post you could just hat
just hate stay completely in costume. Will you run to
this other room over here for fifteen minutes? And he
just strolled in the room. Yeah, bust In look very
mean for a second. Will make everything work? No, worry
about that really is all I would take. If he
just busted into a room, beat up like one dude,
(12:51):
and then flew off in costume, you'd be like, cool,
all right, we're in universe and that's Nazi superman.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Got it, That's all uh huh h.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It would absolutely kill. So going through some timeline stuff
you get the flashback. This episode was hardcore a their
their conversation by the way, as actors loving the loving
those two more and more every episode, which to Grillow
and Hollyood. Okay, actually there's no one here that that
doesn't apply to. But I mean, genuinely, the acting this
(13:20):
season has been fucking stellar. They're not an I wouldn't
know where to start looking for a weakness, but you
get a little bit of the background. I love seeing
Rick Flake's funeral, like the actual funeral, Economost kind of
putting his hand on the casket. The the day that
they're actually mourning their friend, A very important day. But
I don't know, it's hard to watch hardcore.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
That the way you say it very important day, it
sounds like it's a fucking frog and toad book.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I know, no well like it because like in the
history of the show, you know it was. It's this
is a marker moment, but Frog and Toad mourns a
friend a very important day, very special episode.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Sorry, what were you saying?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
This one is PG? Well, I guess it's PG till
the end when she's like, I'll fuck him up, I
guess she just says I'll find the people responsible. Anyway,
it was a big deal and it was fun to
see I guess the origin of how much? And she
does a great fucking job got She looks so angry,
but it's fun to see, like the resolve on her face,
and she actually tells Grillo straight up, I will take
(14:23):
care of this mm hm. So in the history of Peacemaker,
that was a big moment. I think I've been ambiguous,
like her relationship with Chris. At any given time, I
wasn't sure what understanding she had of the murder or
what her intentions were around it. But my understanding now
is that, regardless of whatever happened and who was responsible,
(14:44):
she did say to that man, I will kill this
dude for you.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah. Yeah, she's known the whole time, and Gunn has
known the whole time that she knew the whole time.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, and then now we see, like when Gorilla is
looking at the picture of the eleven Street Kids in
the previous episode. Yeah, how hurtful that must have been
to even see that picture for him.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, there's like a twinge of betrayal. Yeah, it was
a twinge of like what the words that came to mind?
I know that they're problematic, but the words that came
to mind is she's gone native, you know what I mean,
Like she's turned her back on me because she has
become sympathetic with him.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, brainwashed in some capacity. Yeah, but yeah, I
mean like that was for him, It really is a
deep betrayal, Like that was the last bit of whatever.
Rick Flagg Ricky, No, what does she call him?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
General?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He's supposed to be Rick. He's Rick and his boys Ricky?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is that it? He calls Rick Junior Ricky Ricky?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right, I was just trying to use the name
he used, Like, I think I forgot where it's going
with that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Entirely.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
The names threw me entirely. It'll come back one day.
They started dancing. It got to that part in the
the scene and of lust track.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, by the way, and maybe this will bring you
back in some way. I'm not sure, but it's something
will in a minute. This will not This would not
qualify for a PG thirteen because doing Greek in the
security contexts no clue, but prostitution it means but fucking.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah. Yeah, so great conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, it's gonna be an hard rated one man.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, great conversation. They Vigilants like sense of humor in
the show, and he never means to be as funny
as he is, which is the best part. The timing
they use for him tho where he just waits that
extra second to be like, yeah, but that did sound
like which is hot because I think I've heard on
the on that podcast, Freddy's Stromos said a few times
that he he doesn't like the comedy part feels like
(16:44):
a stretch for him. Uh huh, But I don't know
what to tell you, bro, You're doing great at it.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, okay. So here's the thing is, like, I love
I love the version of Vigilante that James Gunn has
created here. Uh but every once in a while, like
every couple episodes, I think back to like the comic
book version of Vigilante and Adrian Chase, which was very
closely done in Arrow with the guy who turns out
(17:13):
to be Prometheus. In season five he was Adrian Chase,
and they also had Vigilante in that season, but he
turned out to not be Adrian Chase because they did
a little switcheroo on us. But that version that like
balls the Wall, let's nail these motherfucker's version of this,
da Adrian Chase is very much who Vigilante was in
the old Teen Titans comics.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, so like there is like a scuba diver.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I mean he's wearing almost the exact same fucking.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Outfit, I know, and somehow it just looks goofy or
on the pages.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It does a little bit, but I can't help it.
Every couple episodes, like as I'm watching this version of
Vigilante on Peacemaker, there's a piece of me.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
That mourns the serious one.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, there's a piece of me that's just like.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Oh, that's fine. I think in this cond you can
just list it under anticipation for now. I think you're
gonna get plenty of time with it, really, I mean
not a lot of time with like the big serious version.
I just mean, like there, I think there are glimpses
like I just go back to like the White Supremacy
ass beating last season. Mm hmmm. I think all I
(18:18):
need is a couple of those. I just need Vigilanti
to occasionally put the mask on do something very serious,
and I'm good for a while.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah. I think it would be very, very very cool
if we go over to this other universe and Vigilante
is that character, Like if he is like this very serious,
like da motherfucker whose you know, family gets wiped out
or whatever, and you know it just finally cracks. I
don't know, like.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
There's almost no version that he all right, So if
you do anything anything different whatsoever, it's gonna be interesting
with this because this Adriad is so fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
What if you just he goes to the new version
and it's just a well adjusted Adrian or just like
a guy who is kind of like hyper spectrum like
this guy is but did a lot of you know,
work in therapy and kind of has a lot of
coca mechanisms around that next pretty normal when you when
you look at him, you know, so like he just
gets into us guy who was like, oh, this guy
has like no awkwardness in his life. He's got like
(19:16):
rapport and friends like he just he would he would
clock this as like, oh he has rapport with you know,
seven people, but it would it would be a little
different the way would clock it. But even that, just
oh what if he met him and he was normal
would be bizarre for this Adrian.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, like that. Here. Here's what I'm saying. Here's
what I'm getting to though, is uh you know, I
uh I get because I do occasionally occasionally see someone
complain about why they have they couldn't named this guy
anything and they didn't have to ruin Vigilante, And uh
(19:49):
I get that. But like there's like three of us, y'all,
Like legitimately, there's like three of us who are like,
oh man, we really love Vigilante.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Actually know that we're.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Fucking teen in the nineteen eighties. Yes, I have that
run in my basement. Absolutely. I mourn it. I want
it same time having a great time with this guy.
He's gonna let it go. Try to let it go, y'all.
I know it hurts, but you know you can't, Like
I really.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Do think you'd be able to fill that tank with
a couple moments just here and there. Yeah, yeah, it's
just you know, it's not everything you wanted.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's it's not exactly And I get what James Gunn
is doing, and I would do that with other characters.
I don't care about it, you know, like there are
tons of characters in the comics that I don't have
any interest in, and i'd be like, yeah, I'll fuck
with that character. I don't care, Like I'm sure, Like
I mean something.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
We're watching No Peacemaker is exactly that. You wouldn't have
given a fuck about that, and now you're watching a
show about him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh yeah. Here's the thing though, about Peacemaker as a character, Like, see,
to me, there there are differences. There's like, here's Peacemaker.
I don't give a fuck about Peacemaker himself in the comics.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
No history whatsoever. I have never given a shit, barely
knew he existed.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He's a boring character. Uh. The only interesting thing about
him is his psychological obsession with peace and the fact
that he thinks that he'll you know, he the it's
not it's hilarious. The whole concept is just peace. Peace
by any means, like I'll kill everybody for peace. Yeah,
that's fun. That's funny, uh gun is adding spokes to
(21:22):
the wheel here for Peacemaker.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, he rounded it out.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Now, some people could say, yes, the same is true
of Vigilante. To me, he just changed the character entirely.
And that's okay because there's, like I said, there's like
three people who know who Vigilanti is and I'm one
of them. Not really, but this, you know, a very
small group is.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
A good point. There's gonna be a small amount of
people like yourself who are worried that this version is
very much different than your comic book version that you're
used to.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
There are way more who are vaguely still familiar with
the arrow version who are like, well, this isn't it.
Y'all are gonna be swamped by those people.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Mm hmm. And this other thing is like, you don't
want to do exactly what Erro just did. I mean,
the only thing that they really changed was that he
turned out to be like a real villain at the end.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well yeah, but even still, both of you combined are
still a ridiculously small minority.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah. Yeah, So, I mean I get the annoyance, but
at the same time, there is something there that's like
stings a little bit, but then I'm laughing at something
Adrian does and I don't care anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
M true, yeah, or it's odd or math is it
to the best Adrian scene ever? That fucking crying, Yeah,
that was dope. I I cried with him, not kidding
like I normally exercised doing this. I had to stop
for a second because it, like my chest tidened and
I had to got a tear out, like that motherfucker
got me.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And it's not only because he's lost Chris. It's because
Chris called ads bestie in the text m h and
only texted her after only writing her the letter, like
Adrian just got like.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
It's a complete body son, but.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Layers of confirmation that he's not Peacemaker's best friend.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well it's but there's there's a lot for him and
that in the breakdown, like he it's layers and layers
of that. But that's that's also the kind of stuff
that he faces that every day. I don't think that's
gonna I think he'll look past that tomorrow. He'll just
go back to this is my best friend, and that's
what matters to me.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Mmmm man.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Maybe not though that that was rough, but same time.
That is all that matters to him. That was his
that was his best friend, that's that is his world
as the only person on it that he actually cares
about in any real way. And that person just vanished
and locked the door behind them and and did so
in a way that made you feel like whatever it was,
y'all had only meant something to you.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And like that breakdown and then to fall on ads
on top of that, and then and and then watch
her behind him when she when he's breaking down, like
she she she's feeling how bad he's feeling. For a
say it. That fucking scene killed me.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
They did a great job with that. They did his
and his sobbing is so fucking real, dude, like it.
It's like I've seen and had that breakdown where it's
just something in your soul went, ah, this is never
gonna be right again.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
It's rough, man, Yeah, great, great? Absolutely? How did you
feel about Slasha Bordeaux being a cyborg? Here?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Very cool?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Let's see the uh they says she was in a
plane crash. H I don't remember the specifics. Almost said
the pacifics it was Pacific or was in the Atlantic. Yeah,
I don't remember the specifics uh. In the comic, she
was turned into a cyborg and became an Omac ok
after being infected with Nan Knights by Brother I during
the Infinite Crisis event.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
There's nothing here that would be incompatible, and.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Her infection was partial and left her with free will.
I'll start contrast to the other Omax.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
But uh, I mean in this context, she's using her
free will to be a bit of a douche to Chris.
So I could see Omac.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, yeah, I saw some people very excited about Brother
I though, yeah, and I was like, uh, and I
think it was I thought it was an interesting Uh,
I don't know, insinuation possibly, like I would love to
I should have. I should have I should have asked
James Gunn the question. He probably wouldn't have answered it,
(25:16):
but I wish I could have been like, hey, man,
so does this mean Brother Eye because that would be
very interesting considering how closely all that ship lines up
with the version of Max Lord you said ain't ain't happening,
So like I kind of want to know, like how
does that play? You know, not in any kind of
accusatory way, just like, but all that O maca Brother
(25:36):
Eye stuff was very like, very closely tied in with
evil Max Lord who shot Blue Beetle in the face.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And you know, as with anything here, you know, gun
is gonna pick and choose, cherry pick what he likes
and dislikes. And I was wondering if the fact that
she became a cyborn because she was in a plane crash,
as I don't remember her being in a plane crash
in the comics, not saying she wasn't. I just don't
remember it. There's a lot of shit to remember in
the comics. Yeah, I just didn't. I just don't feel like.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That would be just grabbing two pieces out of place.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
One.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, he said, I don't want to use that version
of Maxwell Lord. This this just this guy's gonna be
like a gray area at worst. Financier, that's the version
he wants to play with.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was Simon Stagg who shot Blue Beetle on the
face this time.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Magnus has always been a bit of a dick.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Let's make him do it, oh will Magnus?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, like this first, I don't think he's gonna mess
with that. I just I don't Jesus Christ, I just
needed a rich dude who's kind of a dick for
for example. Yeah, but yeah, like it's that and and
and I don't think he wants to fuck with anything
Batman adjacent yet I wouldn't pull that out of the
(26:52):
bag yet. Like, it's just not time. It's she's a cyborg.
She can sit around for a while. You can bench that.
We can bring them back a little bit later. I
just don't have any time to do it yet. Yeah,
there could be a really cool backstory involving all that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, I'm just curious. Uh, By the way, did you
notice it in the In the podcast, he says he
promised Rooker that playing Red Saint Wild won't go against
Rooker playing someone else in the DCU.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Later, Oh yeah, they made mountains of it. And which
is funny is Rooker even says, Oh, they're going to
take this and say that, oh come back. He kind
of mumbles that, And the first article I saw was
like exactly that. Yeah, the gun says Rooker not done completely.
You know, he didn't say that. He just said that
you never quite saw a body. And they were excited
about they were excited about the fact that it's still
technically possible.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right, he said that he well, okay, he said that that, yes,
he never saw body for for Red Saint Wild, but
he also actively stated in the episode that he promised
Rooker this does not mean that he won't play somebody else.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
He did explicitly make that promise. And they said, but
but so they said that Saint Wild isn't I mean,
he's gonna be thingerless even if he.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Is, Yeah, but he might not be saying well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
But they left him open in a couple of capacities
and he will be back though it's it's Rooker.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, and here here's the other thing. So that frees
up Rooker to have been savant and the suicide squad. Sure,
that's also like a thing that I'm very, very weirdly
okay with. If you look at comic books, how often
people just look like people are drawn the same over
and over again, like oh god, yeah, Superman looks like Batman.
(28:33):
And you know, if you there's certain like if you
look at an Ed Benis book, for Christ's sake, there's like,
I like ed Venice, but you know, his black canary
in the face looks like a huntress, I mean, and
they and they both look like uh, you know, Barbara Gordon, and.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Like most superheroes, if you just stripped away all the
colors in Autrema is just kind of like vaguely like
six to eight, you know, non colored faces that are
rearranged a lot. It's kind of a Taco Bell menu
of rear injury.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Man, why'd you say that?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Because it is I mean, yeah, it just kind of
looks like the same couple. But like that's not even
a it's not even a dig at the industry. It's
just when I'm drawing. When I'm drawing early comics, you
don't get so much detail, and I only need so
much detail.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Just draw face, right, No, you don't understand. I don't
disagree with your point at all.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Which part of that did you just?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Now? When we get off of the show, I'm really
gonna have to fight to not go get Taco Bell m.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I haven't had it in a while.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Oh man, they're doing the the Y two k era stuff.
And then they got the caramel apple and panadas again.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I tried one, all right, but no, it.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Was great, all right, my ass, fuck you some magical
mystical thing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
That's that's fucking just the other the decades menu and
I looked at it. For the most part, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I see why that's not here.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah. Well, now that they're now, they're just doing the
Y two K.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Decade, angry at me, yelling Meximount as we speak, a
bunch of slightly dressed up tomatoes tortilla.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I remember this. I was dating this girl and we
had gotten to Taco Bell. She was She didn't want
to brush her teeth or anything. She just wanted to
start making out, and I was like, I kind of
recoiled a bit and I was like, no, no. She's like, like,
what's wrong. I was like, you smell like a Mexi Mount.
(30:42):
She said, you're ruining the moode I'm like, no, I no, madam.
I pray you did.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No the Maxi Mount ruined the mood. I was only
here for it. I'm only reporting on the incident.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The mood could be restored. Go brush your teeth. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
So God so the imagery that we've invoked here, I'll
go directly to my favorite line from the episode, and
you may understand why. Then you get there is the
thing about economist saying I had her her mangled pre
op photo as the background on my phone for a year.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Uh huh, I didn't make my brain.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, and then I didn't. I forget how exactly he
says it, but the way he said, even a bit
about like, yeah, I had her mangoled pre op photo
on the back of the background on my phone for
a year or whatever. That one hit me. And it
was one of those laughs that hit me. And then
it hit me again as I kept hearing it, and
then as he said like I didn't make my brain,
it was like the third wave hit me, and it
was like I was standing in the ocean just trying
to get my bearings, and by that that was just no.
(31:42):
That third would knock me down. I had to pause
the episode and go back a few seconds. I'm just
standing alone in my basement watching this episode and hauled
over laughing. Love it when I'm actually alone and have
to stop because I'm laughing. Those are great.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah. I don't think I actively laughed the entire episode,
but I generally don't when I'm alone, Like if I'm
just sitting there like I don't know, like I get
like a weird thing where I just like, I don't know,
a fucking joker smile I just sit there and Joker
smile as shit. Yeah, because I'm just like soaking it in.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
All crushed up in artists replaced half a body of machinery. Jesus. Okay, yeah,
I hate her so much. I used a pre up
foot of her mangled body as the screen's over on
my phone for a while. That's fucked up. Well, I'm
not the one who made my brain. And then she
just moves out whatever. We have to get Chris like,
they're just fine with him, they're good with him.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, I get it more than you know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
This is still a person like that. That changed nothing
about her with her relationship with John, that was that
was fine, going in, fine leaving.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, I mean, she's running around picking bar fights with people.
I know. I know.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
It's hard not to like the eleven Street Kids, though,
like she she didn't find that particularly out of scope
for John, but not completely unexpected.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I'm I'm hoping this episode marks the end of uh.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh yeah for me just looking somebody directly in the
eyes as an active heroism.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, I hope this episode marks the end of Harcourt
just sitting around scowling.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't think she's completely She's got some asses that
need kicked. She's gonna be an art for the season.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I'm fine with asses needing kicked.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Sitting around part I think you're done with.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, Like, I am tired of just seeing her sit
around and scowl in general, I'm like, Okay, let's be proactive,
let's go get Chris back. Finally, let's like move towards
something positive with her.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Right, I'll grant you that, I'll give you, and I'm
excited for that too. I will, though, suggest though, that
the last shot her flashback when when she's doing at
the funeral, when she promises over shoulder to kill him
and then hits back. I will submit that as the
swan song and a great one of the sitting and scowling.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah. Now, I also want.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
To be out like an absolute queen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Also want to be clear, this is not me complaining
about an element of the show. Necessarily, this is me
being invested in the character's arc.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, you're ready for it to keep going.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I'm ready for her to move on. Yeah, Like, I
get it. Her life is shit, Waller fucked, her lost
her best friend, might be kind of in love the
guy who killed her best friend. Fuck, lots of shit. Okay,
it sucks, let's move on.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, but now you now you want some action, Take
all that random dude's in bar ass beating energy and
go fuck up another universe for a minute. Yeah, possibly
a Nazi one could be a lot of fun, y'all.
I am really even as we've talked, I'm starting to
buy into it. I think I'm at like the forty
five percent mark.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Now. By the way, I love that, Uh, the lame
excuse that economists came up with for let's say wild
to like scapegoat, No, there's another eagle that made him
think it was the prime eagle.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It was just foreshadded into what actually happens.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think even when they're talking about it,
like Age's like yeah, for him, he was just that
was just bullshit. But like, nah, it does turn out
in the in the reality of Peacemaker, Eaglely is fucking special.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And great great story arc with Red Standway. So that
was a goal Gun had for the season was Eaglely.
He thought, man, Eagley's such a great character, I want
him to have his own villain. Let's make a little
story arc for Eaglely too, And to give it it's
it's due. In this episode, I cared very much about
Eaglely's subplot in this episode. Uh huh, there was a
whole ass beat you. I mean, there was a there
(35:30):
was an entire arc with an eagle heads up or
hats off or whatever. To the Bradley Baker for making
me really understand what this eagle is trying to get
across all the time.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
But yeah, like there's a whole fucking story with it.
Like I love the little bit where the fox runs
away and you get to see the eagle kind of
twist its head like, huh, that's mother fuckers out to
get me.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Huh huh.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I understood that eagle understood that on some level and
went oh hmm. And then yeah, I guess he gathered
his friends and the scene, it's a wonderful scene. They
all come together swooping the way Eaglely lands and just
sort of is clearly in charge of the room. God,
you got a great fucking it was a great Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
It did give me, unfortunately, some flashbacks to Catwoman and
Batman returns being gnawed and given imbued the powers of
the cat and you know what, I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I do now. I didn't get that, but yeah, I
think I think Red set Wild just just died by Eagle.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But yeah, here's the thing though, It is like, oh.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
There's voodoo chips in the in the snack machine here,
good job, guess it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Uh retroactively made Batman returns work better for me? Uh huh,
because I'm just like, oh, no, fuck it. In the
DC universe, animals can just be imbuing motherfuckers with their
their their prime powers. Like there's a prime cat somewhere
that made her Catwoman. Fine, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You brought up the red recently, didn't you?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
So I did? Yeah, I sure did.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
And let's let's just go and head canon that as
being the explanation for the Burton verse Catwoman.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, which I'm pretty sure Burton would scoff at and say,
I don't fucking read comics.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Then we're doing the work for you and you should
think us.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yep. Oh, how do you feel about Eagerly being the
prime Eagle?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I love it, big fan, that silly term for it
to turn out to be real. I doubt that's what
Eaglely would call it, right, don't. I don't know what
to think about the phrasing of there, but like the
concept that eaglely really genuinely is able to do things
that eagles cannot do. It's fantastic and completely warranted given
the show.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, I stumbled upon some article someone was trying to
get James Gunn in trouble for a cultural appropriation and
copyright infringement because that prime eagle symbol looks similar to
like a real symbol used by some Native American tribe somewhere,
(37:58):
and like even like they actually like went out their
way to interview the guy and like the main person
in charge or whatever of that representation of that tribe
or something, and they're like, yeah, that doesn't really I
wouldn't say that was infringement.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, I'd be surprised to see. I mean it's similar.
It would be hard to make a case for Like
most religious symbols are meant to be used over and
over again, that's the very point. Yeah, So if it's
in any capacity that's religious, even quasi religious, it gets
very I assume it could very hard to make a
copyright case.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, but like the copyright case, they didn't really have
anything on so like even though they included in the article.
The article is most like, is going wrong for doing
the cultural appropriation. I mean he hung the lantern on it,
but no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
No no, that's not no no no, you're you're no hanging
the lannern is when you do something and as the sidebar,
you go, yeah, I know it can also be seen
this way, and I'm just gonna make a wink at it.
This is that's a Paul McCartney wink. No no, no.
What he did here was plan a character called Captain
cultural appropriation.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, that is not a wink. But then he made
it real yeah in universe. Yeah, now, of course the
thing that he was appropriating was real and killed him.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, for his sins maybe, But even then, I guess,
like I would still kind of argue that he's really
just a sorcerer that's got a really bad habit of
using indigenous language that he shouldn't use.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's
like the thing that he's putting on his head. And shit,
the little eagle symbol, like it existed supernaturally and was
represented behind Eagly, but then Eaglely and his friends tore
the fuck out of him, like gave him, give him
a new asshole.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, and even then, like that's I saw that as
his perspective of, you know, him him getting in touch
with whatever he thought was divine in his last moments.
But it extrinsically means nothing. I don't have to believe
that eaglely thinks he anything of that symbol or saw
it himself. He eagerly doesn't think he's gonna be night
Wing or whatever that thing is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Ah it does. It doesn't like night Wing very much does.
And that's funny because I've always like when when they
started using that symbol on night Wing in the animated
series I believe, or the New Batman Adventures, I went,
why does it now look like he's Native American? Because
that time kind of looks like a Native American symbol.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
There do some sorts the I think it's the fact
that the heads at complete, like that complete whatever turn
half turned, whatever profile thing. It's like in any kind
of glyph situation to end up with like several cultures
that have that association. I don't know. Man, it coded
that way to me too, though.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You and I think what they were like looking at it, though.
I think they were trying to do like the modern
day night Wing symbol that was going on that was
like the blue streamlined, you know, bird shape. But I
think they tried to they tried to like simplify it
for one thing, for animation, but then they I feel
like they wanted to add what to me is like
(41:00):
Native American fringe on the ends of it. With those lines.
I think they were trying to like do a cross
between the modern what was then the modern day night
Wing and the old nineteen eighties night Wing that had
like the little boxes, yeah, the little yellow boxes. I
think they were just trying to do some combination of it,
and it just wound up looking Native American. And then
it also was worse because they gave them like a
(41:22):
nineties like a mullet that was very like prominent with
like any Native American character that you came across in
the nineties.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Right and has already drawn to be dark guard either
that black or sometimes they'd color it as blue. It's
gonna be the same color when you read the comic, though,
is every other dark haired person there?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Mm hmm. Anyway you got anything else? I think I'm done.
I think I've got nothing else.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I do have a couple. I do have a couple.
I mean over a couple of scenes. Sure, So that fight,
one particular spot of that fight, I was trying to
click ahead to whoever it was, but ill show when
he comes after or when he comes after Peacemaker, when
he's just about to kill fucking Peacemaker. This is what
I'm going Rick, Yeah, yeah, all right, So that scene
(42:11):
is one of the ones that this this had to happen.
This was something that I've been waiting on since the
season started because it had to happen to advance things.
I think I'm with I'm right here where you are
with hardcore. Maybe it was time for Rick to punch
Chris Smith in the face a few times and then
them talk so the rest of this can keep going.
I understand how we got here, but I'm glad it
(42:33):
happened so we can keep going. And it was brutal
and genuinely I don't think he was going to stop
until Sasha pops up in that room. I think he
dies in that room. H And the other fun part is,
I think I think Peacemaker lets himself die in that room.
I don't think he was gonna stop him.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, no, I don't either.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
That was my read of it, at least now. Interestingly,
on the podcast, they kind of bring up like who
wins in a fight, like if Chris is really trying,
and they kind of him in hall like I don't know,
maybe we need to keep watching mm hmm. Like there's
an insinuation that maybe this there's gonna be a rematch
here and that maybe Chris is actually gonna punch back
this time, which leads me to think that maybe Rix's platform.
(43:10):
And by the way, there's another part in like the
piece peace thoughts or whatever seeing it kind of ends
that saying like Rick's stuff is getting out of control
and it's dangerous, Like yeah, he The thought is that
Rick's search for vengeance is going to be a major
antagonizing thing, like something that has to be stopped in
this series. So the next couple of episodes, somebody's gonna
have to put it down or him down in whatever
(43:32):
capacity that comes.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, he's he's gonna have to get over his shit
to some degree.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Might be that Peacemaker is going to have to punch
it out of him a little bit.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, I'm very curious, Like I had thought, like, look,
if we're gonna keep getting Rick Flagg, which I don't
know that we are, Like we don't have.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
The way they talk to him in like behind the scenes.
I always get the sense that he's meant to be
around for a while going forward.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But that might be But yeah, do that to us. Yeah,
I I could see Rick Flagg just having to die. Yeah, yeah,
but I it's I think it's interesting that I did that.
Like Rick Flagg has to forgive peace Maker, but more importantly,
peace Maker has to forgive peace Maker. And he hasn't
(44:21):
done that yet.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Oh not at all. I think he might after that beating.
And you know, he like he this is his amends,
Like he came in, he said everything by the way
the knee to the head where he's like under that
windows sill, the integration windowsill. Yeah, he busts the sheet
rock like I polished it to look at it, and
like it's yeah, they maybe they used the same like dummy.
(44:44):
I wonder if they used the same dead dummy they
used from earlier. But yeah, that is a real fucking shot.
He puts his whole ass back into that fucking knee.
Oh that is rough to watch, but like it. It'd
be hard not to take that beating and not while
way thinking Okay, man, I at least went in there
and said everything I was supposed to say. He did.
(45:05):
He just he apologized. It's all you can do now.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Mhmm.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
He's tried to render another universe to get away from
from what's gonna be left if no one in his part.
His point is not it's hard not to take his point.
He's done everything he possibly can. Hear, maybe it if
he just gets to start over there, he can just
do something good and like, just maybe there's no fucking
point here.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah, I mean, Harcourt's given him the boot.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And she verifies by the way the thing that and
I did, like that moment where he says, I understand, Yeah,
they were all right. So we've confirmed that the boat
all that was romantic. It wasn't some red herring, and
like they sat together on the boat is probably the story.
It's just that simple, and yeah, it's it's gonna be that.
And she tells him here, yeah, the fact that you
(45:47):
killed Rick will never be something I can get over.
It just is what it is. And he you know,
I get that. I respect that cool. All right, We've
got that moment, but again for five episodes. Now, this
is why I love this episode so much. A lot
of cathartic moments, stuff I've wanted for the five episode.
It's great build up. I've enjoyed the whole ride, but
I needed all these moments to happen, and I got them.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Mm hmm, yeah it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
That was great. And then you saw the previews of
the next one, like we're gonna get to go to
the next universe. I did something I really appreciate. We're
not gonna do a lot of him in and hauing
where they just can't get there and the crews are separated.
It looks like next episode we're gonna be ten minutes
in and these people have found him and we're.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Going Yeah, looks like it. I like them in there.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I like the momentum.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
I'm man, I just I just want the next three
right right now.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I know, I know, right now, and get it. I
gotta I'm gonna obsessively go back through a bunch of
episodes and look for astrays and shit a little bit later. Yeah, yeah,
I'm excited. This is about as excited as I get
for any show as it comes on. It's like six
seven eight right now is about as much as I
want to see anything. I know. This is what my
boy sounds like when I'm that excited. But that's about
(46:53):
as keen as I get to be, Like, fuck me,
where the fuck are we going with this?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Like the vocal equivalent of David du Coveney's face.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yes, yes, just as expressive.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
You know, we mentioned it before Peacemaker premiered. Now that
we're about halfway through, we're a little more than halfway.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Through, we're over the halfy mark.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, how do you feel was was Superman or Peacemaker better?
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Oh? God?
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Because I was saying I was more excited for Peacemaker
than Superman before.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right now they're really it's really hard not to stay
tied because I'm like, I'm right in the thick of Peacemaker.
It's been as satisfying as everything I was hoping for.
It's just longer. Overall, I really am believing with the
same you know, experience of joy right now, and Peacemaker,
for what it's worth, is like kind of leaving me
with similar tones, you know, give or take a few
(47:48):
dick flops. It's not been you know, it's been a
different environment to be in mentally, a lot to be
over in the Peacemaker world than the you know, like
what the hey dude world of Superman. But yeah, you know,
leaving it like when you leave Superman with that feeling
of like, God, I actually want to be a better person,
but I'm not. Right now, I'm kind of leaving Peacemaker
with the same feeling like these are these are people
(48:09):
that I like spending time with. You know, there are
people I respect, people are people that are trying to
do good things. So far, it's been the same universe
to me in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, it has felt like the same universe to me.
And but here's the things, like I have liked Peacemaker more.
It's felt more like a meal to me.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Uh oh yeah, more protein that way. But again, do
we get more time with it to build?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I know, I know, And that's what I love. I
love that.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I mean, this is as much as a novel and
you did you really did get a weekly with sum
and this is a graphic.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, absolutely, And as much as I do sit and
kind of go like, oh man, I just wish they
could go ahead and move on and I wish they'd
do this, and I was that's part of like the
anticipation for me with TV shows, and this is in
you know, hopefully anyone who's listened long enough to like
remember when we were doing our uh you know, our
aero verse reviews, Like there's something markedly different about how
I'm talking about this.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Oh god, Yeah, they're at the very height of the
CW like when the Flash was had a man in
the mask, like when that was genuinely good television for
a second. You can hear us speak that well of it. Yeah,
but then you can, you know, like us talking about
an episode of Peacemakers. That's that's the tent or the
entire time.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I have really enjoyed it, even as like
even in my down moments with Peacemaker, I've just like
my really, my only big issue is I wanted more.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah. Yeah. So far the main criticism has been that
we haven't gotten to this episode, and now we have,
so I've been pretty pretty pleased with this. But in
particular yeah, yeah, god, then part of the in is
so shitty of the motel or whatever she is, Christ, Yeah,
I should be condemned. There's like mold in the corners
of every single spot.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Of the room. Yeah. Uh yeah, man, I just want
more of the show Man anyway, I'll stop saying that. Uh.
We will come back, of course next week with our
review of two o six. I keep wanting to say,
three oh six. We just me and Matt and I
(50:09):
just wrapped up Star Trek Exchange New Worlds. Uh. And
they're on season three, so I'm stuck in a three.
I'm like three oh five. Now, damn it, shut the
fuck up, loser, it's two. It's two. I'm incredibly harsh
with myself. By the way, Yeah, it's not fun in
the spring.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
The inner shame is real. Oh you know, we should
wrap up in general, but it would. By the way,
Hardcourt taking down Peacemaker was fantastic too.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Oh it was great. And I love the copaesthetic stuff
that she was warning him god ship. Yeah yeah, and
I love that, like he I love the way he
was just like he was playing with the dogs, he's
hanging out with kids, he's running around.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Oh yeah, that was just to say out of or
make sure he's always obstructing the view.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's great, Yeah, you for it that he is actually
good at what the fuck he does.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, but they did a little bit, like when she's
getting in the car and she says, like, you better
ring the whole time. You can't. You can't take down
the peacemaker with these people, like she's just giving them
an honest score. Uh huh, you can't take down the
peacemaker with like these six people. You have teams, right,
But then yeah, and then by the way, if you
want a great conversation about that, please do go listen
to their podcast about like they they spent a lot
of time talking about how hardcore like prepped for like
(51:24):
felt like she needed some more muscle mass just to
even make that scene look right, like because she knew
there was gonna be a scene like it's it's a
cool discussion.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, that's wonderful. Anyway, Yeah, we should thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
For listening and over every line of this episode. It
was great.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
All right. Well, uh, if you enjoyed what you heard
here and you wanna throw some support our way, uh
Patreon dot com, slash DC on screen, you can become
a free member and just talk to the to the
community and stuff and get the you know, public posts
that I throw up some social media stuff from time
(52:01):
to time, or you could do a dollar a month
and that gets you every one of these episodes add free,
but then five dollars a month gets you everything plus
exclusive episodes when we decide to put them up. And
I've also started a substack if you want to go
check out my writing and what I'm working on other
than DC on the Screen, and that is David c.
(52:23):
Roberson dot substack dot com. There is a link in
the show notes. And we'll be back next week with
the next episode of Peacemaker and our review of it.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Anything anything else, Nope, nope, very satisfying. Let's do next week,
same time.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Sound good. I don't know about the same time. I
like to get it up a little. I'd love to
get it up a little, a little earlier.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
That's fair, that's fair, all right, We'll see you about
six days then.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
All right, Well, Jason, I love you, thank you for
being on the show with me as always, and thank
you all for listening. Until the next time, keep some
DC on your screen. Hi.
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