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September 27, 2025 90 mins
How did this episode find us, you wonder? How did we like the reveal of the alternate universe's big secret? We got deep in on this one -- from why Adrian's dad wasn't gay in the alternate universe (and why Chris may have been disappearing on his family) to issues with basement keys, bush dives, and dry heaves... And of course we talk about the Beatles, that great conversation between Chris and Harcourt -- so much...

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I laughed at the end when he picks up that
flag off that desk and unfurls it to see the swastika.
I said, every time this motherfucker goes to August, he
gets some bad news from a flag.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
You are listening to DC on Screen.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
On this episode of DC on screen, we are talking
about Peacemaker two oh six. Ignorance is Chris. I'm your host,
David c. Robertson. This is my trusty co host, Jason
goss Hell. All right, man, well shit, we're finally there.
We are finally at the sixth episode, the much uh tallowed,

(00:45):
the much hyped episode six uh, just as some jackass
with a loud muffler rise by my house.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
That's beautiful, that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Fuck that ass whole Fuck them every day, it was
multiple times a day, anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Pardon me. Wants to be like, was it a black guy?
Go get him?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah? No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
Actually blackbird is Yeah, there's a wiry, little white dude
who just I imagine has the smallest stick in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, it's sometimes be that way. So we're in the
Nazi verse.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Mm hmmm, we are for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
The Nazis.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Maybe it's funny. I saw the swastika.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Mm hmmm, and I thought, what's the Nazi adjacent theory?

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, I think it's funny because this whole time you've
been like, I don't think so, maybe it is, but
I kind of don't think so. And I'm going, no,
it is it? Definitely? Is it? Definitely? Is it? Definitely is?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Now that I'm now like a record of my resolve
weakening over the course.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, but now that I've seen the swastika on the
American flag, I'm gonna go like, oh man, though everyone
is like, ah fuck, I'm seeing everybody on the line
going ah fuck what. I can't believe we called it.
Everybody knew what the twist was at the very beginning.
I'm not sure you do. I'm wondering if the twist

(02:14):
is we didn't lose the war, we just started it
in this universe like Americans either didn't lose it, they
just like wholeheartedly agreed to it.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
No. No, So here's here's the funny thing. I didn't
even think about this. I may have this wrong. I've
told two people today this, so I may have been
misinforming my take on this was. It's more like we
won World War Two like we normally do. It's just
that we picked the Nazis. Yeah, Like we came in
and big swing and dicked that thing like we claim

(02:47):
to have done in the in the history of the
whole thing. But we were just like, yeah, but we're
gonna do the killing better though. We like that, We're
gonna do the genocide part better. You can step out
of the way there, little gap. Thanks for getting started there.
That that's for some reason the version of events in

(03:07):
my head, which both of ours would work for this
as far as we know.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, no, I think there's there might be another twist
coming in as far as like, is it just America.
Has the world moved on from Nazism and it's just America?
Or did they just like give into it and helped
the Nazis conquer there? I don't know, Like, but I'm
seeing a lot of people saying, oh, we lost the war,
we lost the war. I'm not sure that's what happened here.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah. Yeah, And my version events we we did straight
up just win that war.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, I'm basing that off the book that we were
me and you were talking about. I think off here.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, he came everything. The other night we were like,
we were trying to find stuff. Yeah, the other night,
me and you were trying to find this while while
you were here.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I like, I have no memory, and I remember I've
been over there and I ate taco bell and you
play piano.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Then I zoned out for two hours, walk up, said
it's been a good night.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Headed back home. I will say, had a great time.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't know. I don't know if you remember or
if you could tell. I was in a tremendous amount
of pain.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
You were, you were, you were, You're rolling it together
pretty well. I think you just wanted to kind of
get out for a second maybe, and then and then
the joy of getting out for a second immediately expired
at the moment you had to stand somewhere in an
uncomfortable room for a second. But you did pretty well.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah. My neck and shoulder and back have just been awful. Yeah,
just awful.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It has been a ride, or rather it has been
very stationary.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Apparently I have a protrusion in my C five something
or other and you know, impinged nerve and et cetera,
and so forth. Honestly, I tried this universe. I try
to not take painkillers too much, but I yeah I did.
At some point I was just like, I get got
to get the fuck home and take some painkillers. Yeah, yeah,

(05:00):
uh but yeah, what what what are you looking for?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
We were we went back through the alternate the oltverse
whatever scenes. Okay, somebody had said something about like there
was an ashtray that if you looked at the right way,
had a Nazi symbol on.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
It, right right right? You owe the book the book
the American Century. Yeah, yeah, the American Century.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I think that was it. It was the book called American Century.
And for some reason the vibe menu had off that.
I don't remember if you had found it somewhere. I
think I think you found it somewhere.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, I think I remember that. Yeah. Was that?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
That's kind of like a book about sort of a
version of the nineteen hundreds where basically America went all imperial,
like we went full British on everything. Mm hmm, Which,
if that's something that exists in that universe means that
we got a little expensive there for a second. Yeah,
and it probably didn't go well for any any persons
that aren't represented in these shots so far.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Right, I mean, fuck, did you what Keith said? Yeah,
when he got out of that truck and saw out
of bio and he said, one guy one got out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, I so some questions about where we'd be going
that we can immediately get into. Is I wonder? I mean, well,
the first of all, Judo Master's already in here. I
don't know what that would mean if it really is
a World War two kind of situation. I don't I
do not know where anyone of Asian descent lands on

(06:29):
this whole spectrum of who the fuck's and what I
don't know X universe, But spoilers for next episode.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
In the little trailer, we see him Judo Master in
the Quantum Chamber as they're trying to get back like
they're like helping carry out a bio. Okay, okay, but
it does look like somebody's coming in after him, and
it looks like Hardcourt is on the ground with a

(06:55):
gun pointed to somebody. I don't know what's going I
don't know what's happening, but.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean what my worry was we didn't see in
this episode. He's actually the guest coming up on the
next episode of the podcast. Okay, I meant that for
some reason, the.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
James Gun podcast do not interpret.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
That two man hours. Nope, So he's he's on the
next one, which could be coincidence, could mean that Judamester
has a big deal coming up. M likely the second one.
But yeah, I wonder where that would leave where they
would leave him. Feels like everybody gonna have team up
get the fuck out of there, Like it's going to

(07:35):
be everybody's eleven Street Kid if it'll get the hell
out of this universe, right, And they're friendly anyway when
it comes down to it.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Frenmish, I guess.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I think there's a mutual respect in there.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I don't know about respect. I mean, I'm all for yes,
and but I'm gonna have to disagree with you there
a little. I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
If you've tried to kill each other, I think there's
got to be a little bit of respect to it.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, especially if you're both still alive. Yeah, worthy fucking adversary.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
You gotta I've got an understanding with that individual, assume.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I can see that. I can see that.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Hell, we're closer than my best friends probably at that point, Yeah,
that actually is a good point. If I ever find
myself in the situation where I've mutually tried to kill
and been tried to kill by someone, I will presume
that I'm going to reach out and try to make
sure we get to know each other a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Sure, just find that one little nugget, that one little
mental ah god, I can't even think of the term
now of achilles heel. That would push you over the edge,
and then you can actually warn the full joker and
the man who killed Batman.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, in this scenario I've created, it's kind of sweet
that I or there's a sweetness to it that I
kind of want to go, you know, create a create
a new friend. But I can't go about this plan
without creating a plan to can make a felony. So
it's really just a non starter.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, maybe a non starter is what it should be.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, best ally things in speculation sometimes mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I have to admit I laughed when Adrian said Dad's
not gay in this universe, and then I went, oh,
fuckus a Nazi regime. He might be gay, but he
did not come out.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I didn't catch that until till it was mentioned later,
like as he's saying that they're real, they're like they're
super stiff on the couch. And I kind of saw
that scene. It's all happened. There's a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
They both look unhappy.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, they definitely don't look these are not happy people.
All that made sense when it got pointed out later
it's it's done. It's done specifically that way.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Now, let me ask you this. I haven't seen anybody
say this online, but with that in mind, is that
where Chris was going? Remember his brother said, you've been
disappearing the last few nights, last few weeks, whatever it was.
Don't tell anybody where you're going. Is he going to fuck? Dudes?
So we know he's bye. And they were very very

(10:09):
very very very uh vague about who he cheated on
hard work with or the Alt peacemaker, who the Halt
peacemaker cheated on her with.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
True, I mean that would put another steak in the heart,
like we're we're we're going to hate Keith and this
uh what's his dad's name, August Aggie. We're gonna hate
these two. We are we are, do you, but it's
gonna be bad over the next couple of hours so
of television.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, probably just an hour. It's an hour or so,
about forty five minutes if we're lucky.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, with commercials, uh, the commercials, I'll throw in a
couple of spice it up, flesh things out. But yeah,
if if we throw in some some good old fashion.
He was hiding to having to hide himself from his

(11:08):
family's homophobia on top of everything else. Mm hmm, yeah,
that's gonna uh, that's gonna that's gonna be getting.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
No. Now did you see the clip?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, I never have to go see for scene on
this episode. It's gonna be not that we should in order,
but like god, damn, it's.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Just not thick. Yeah, in order is not gonna happen. Now,
I have a question for did you see the clip
of the Peacemaker show that gun does that He put
out a thing today where he said originally it was, uh,
it was gonna be Vigilani coming into the alternate Vigilani's
house and then seeing it was he the mom was

(11:48):
making up with John Economus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this one
hit the real one hits harder, But that's funny. I
kind of wanted to see that, like.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
The the real one, they edit is better, universe building
is better writing. Yes, the first one's funniest shit.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Just you can see how well he would have played that.
It was one of the funnier parts of the episode.
It's just him kind of giggling, Oh my god about universe.
That's a squirrel.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Or chipmunk or whatever whichever, whichever.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
The other one was, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh man, it's six cuts. What would six cuts have
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
It's supposed to just have too or something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah, it was all a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, it was. It was great. He's an absolute delight.
But as as Gun pointed out on this episode, uh uh,
Vigilandi is absolutely unsaligable as a character and a person.
It's just that he's charming and played so well. Otherwise
we should hate this person. Uh, dude, kind of don't.

(12:52):
It's hard to How are you gonna like him?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
I want to ask him, Spiderfax, Dude, I love my wife.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Uh, this is about getting very gay?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
What? No, this is not it's not no.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I felt like we were about to go down, like okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Dude, you know, it was just it just cracked me up,
Like we're watching this thing and we're watching Vigilanti run
around duck behind bushes and ship in an alternate universe
and an alternate Nazi universe. He goes into his house,
which happens to be open. He goes downstairs. The part

(13:28):
with my wife Nope, down in a suspicion of disbelief.
Was that the keys worked.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
See. So here's the thing. The jumping in the bushes
was a problem for me this episode. Yeah, that that
was that. That was rough. That was that was too much.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like I didn't think it was too much. I laughed.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I laughed, but like I laughed in a way that
I had to. I had to forgive the show for
what it just did to me. It like it even
while he's kind of laughing at the other stuff. Honestly,
that was part of the reason I didn't catch when
he was walking through and so like, oh my dad,
you know, Dad's not gay, Like I didn't fully get
through the scene. Like I was still a little bit
worried about the bush when that happened.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Uh huh, what are you worry about the bush for?

Speaker 2 (14:10):
It just drew me out of the scene a lot,
Oh it didn't. It drew me into I was watching
a show a little too much.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I will tell you why it didn't draw me out.
It's broad daylight. Adrian absolutely seems like the type who
would be walking along. Forget that he is in a
in a costume and was carrying a fucking machete. Sees
the car, it was oh shit, I met a costume

(14:38):
would duck behind the bush, wait for the car to pass,
and then come back out and keep walking Like that
feels like something that an idiot like Adriane would do.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
It does, but like I was already kind of anticipating
the scene with that bayou later.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah. Also like that that's all.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Sage, where like just walking around in the neighborhood and
being conspicuous is a problem. So when I saw him
jump into a bush and I'm literally expecting that scene
in a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah. That's the other part though, is that, like this
is a universe where watching a dude running around in
a ski outfit and a mask with a machete is
not as crazy as seeing a black lady.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
No, but two things were happening.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
You know, white people be walking around in some fucked
up stuff carrying around big ass knives. I remember seeing
not even probably when I was growing up like when
I would go hang out with my buddy Matt in Pravel,
like there would be teenage white teenage boys walking around
with fucking machetes and shit like.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
No, there was a day driving to work a few
years back where I literally saw a guy with a
sword in one city, like a long sword, like a
proper long or broader wherever you want to call it.
But this was like a four foot sword strapped to
his back. I saw him walk along the highway, went
to work, came out of a twelve hour shift. He

(16:01):
was in another city walking in a similar direction, and
my first thought was, how did he not get arrested
by this.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Point because he wasn't black?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
That genuinely was the only thing. Yeah, that's it. That's
got to fucking be sad to say that's where we live.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Man.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
What was I going to tell you about before? But
bene Lange and the bush, it was about how it
drew me out. Oh yeah, so that was what pulled
me out a little bit. Was just yeah, I really
really genuinely like beat for beat, knew it was going
to be at a bayou, was walking around outside and
then yeah, to see him do that, it pulled me out,
So I was one having to be like, all right,

(16:43):
he can't be walking around and that not be a problem,
but she's okay, but he's in a costume. And then
I was also trying to get my bearings about, okay,
he's does everyone on this street know who he is?
Does that mean everyone on our street knows who he is?
Like and our plate he's just walking around like there's
probably a six year od playing outside, like you know,
no one's shouting at him, Like no one is worried

(17:04):
about this at all. That car was pretty close. No
one gave a shit. So I'm having to decide in
that moment, like is the show going too far here
about not taking that seriously or is or is it
in universe that he is definitely like everyone just knows
who he is? And then and if that's the case,
I had to keep going, okay, does that mean that
he is just oblivious and he thinks he's giving away

(17:26):
with it or is he actually a little as nikky
or is he just everyone so threatened they're not saying
if I can order to him. He was doing a
lot of mental math here mm while he was walking
through and talking about the tipmunk and the squirrels and
the cats.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm okay with people just
not noticing or maybe they think that, oh that's you know,
that's their son. He's a little off, you know. We look,
I had I had that guy growing up, you know,
in my neighborhood and my neighborhood it was a black
guy and we were just like, yeah, he's gonna do
some weird shit. He's gonna have a machete or a

(17:57):
knife sometimes sometimes he's gonna have a Bible and he's
gonna beating the hell out of it and acting like
a preacher. But he's not saying words like we have
that guy.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, we had, we hit a weit a young gentleman.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And like yeah, like I think it also depends on
the neighborhood. Like you know, like my neighborhood growing up,
it was mostly black and white. Cops would like you know,
come down the street and they'd see him hanging out
and they'd roll down the window and be like hey,
and he's like he just like switch it off, dude,
Like he would be like what's going on and they

(18:31):
just have like a normal conversation like you did all
right today? You're not messing around with that, all right? No, no, no,
I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, okay, okay, Well you
go to work today. Yeah, yeah, they'd come get me
four okay, and like they would like they would come
bring they like a shuttle would come and pick him
up because he was not okay, and they would take
him to an Arby's where he would work for several hours,

(18:52):
and then he would come back and stand in the
yard and yell at imaginary women Like I do think, yes,
there is absolutely, you know, the racism and shit, but
at the same time, like sometimes you will just have
like here's a neighborhood and this is a person who
is you know, x y Z, and we all know

(19:15):
that person is x y Z, and nobody bothers that person.
They don't ever actually do anything. They're just not okay. Well,
and his mom makes good collared greens and we're all friends.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I just have the vaguest memory of some of just
one house where I kept being told to be a
little bit careful. I never quite understood why. And then
we go up there a lot. Yeah, it was very
young for that one. There was a very young memory.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
So I'm pretty sure, there's a case to be made
without any or other other context, there's a case to
be made. I think for everyone's going like, oh, that's
just the Chas's boy. He's just gonna he's just gonna
run around and jump jump behind some bushes and hack
down some stray branches. We don't know what he does,

(20:06):
but he everythink that's okay.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I mean sure, I like and he's been there for years.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, at many and ages. As a kid, I would
have been the one that was running around play acting
with whatever I was calling a sword.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, but I've literally watched you hacking a fucking rose
bush as a grown man.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, had a great time.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Your poor legs didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, every scar is a good laugh.
Several I usually get. I usually get repeat out on this.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
But weirdly enough, the part that that she bounced on
I for me completely sold because every time he puts
in a key, he acts so excited that that actually works. Yeah,
Like in the scene I bought that he didn't expect
it to at all.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right, me too, which would also I'm just like in
my head, I'm like, you know, you've bought into a multiverse.
Everything is the same, except everything's a little off, yeah,
or lots of things are a little off. Ah, I
can trust keys, I can I can go with keys.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
If you do the actual if you do the actual
math on a multiverse, the the stupidly high number versus
the kind where you would find anything like a similar universe,
or you know, the old philosophy example of like, oh,
it's the same exact universe. Everything's precisely the same, except
you have one more hair on your head than the
other universe.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Okay, well and I imagine now that you have it,
it's the same, but there's two. Imagine the same, but
there's three, right, Okay, every other person on the planet
do that the same? Okay, every other creature. The number
is so fucking big, there's no way. One hundred doors
is already suspension disbelief. That's just get a fuck off.
You just you're buying so much.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh yeah, you have to buy a lot. But that's
the whole premise of the multiverse, and you know from
its you know, uh, theoretical creation in the real world
is that every possibility, everything is possible. Yeah, and also
every world is a thing.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
That cuts both ways. You to me, at least you
could balk, because now the whole idea is just worthless.
And you know, but that means like every time you
get into a universe, it has to be so different
that it's not even worth trying to call it another universe, Like,
stop it if you're trying to tell this kind of story. Yeah,
there have to be some similarities. And at that point

(22:37):
it almost it would be hard to argue one way
or the other about whether you've cherry picked the similarities.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I'm just saying, you gotta have the you gotta
have the bit, the beat where Quinn checks the fence
to see if it squeaks for Fox's sake. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Now there's a reference for anyone who doesn't know what.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
An old ast reference, A syndicated it best reference as well.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It was it was Fox and then it was on
Sci Fi Channel.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah. I caught it in syndication and I was very young. Ablue,
Oh that's not true. I think I got that regular.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, dude, I was there on the night it premiered.
I watched the fucking pilot live.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I was so excited about that.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Shit live next to the projector.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Uh, huh.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I very much got my wish on the Vigilantes, Like, yes,
they they were great. They were great together.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Mm hmmm. I'm a little worried about what's going about
to happen me too.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I feel like those two are going to try to
work it out, but if I feel like you could
maybe pick a favorite of the things. But easily the
best bit of comedy between them, I think was the
uh was it?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Can you pee when something's touching your ass?

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Can you pee when something's touching your bare ass? And
he responds and the editing is key, there's not a
missing second. Nope, And I look down and everyone who
can't so fuck.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
It's so like he didn't you do, like, yes, nope,
and look down everyone you can. Like it's an excitement
that it's he plays a beautiful fucking Adrian.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah he does. So. Yeah, worried about what he's gonna do? What? How?
How those two are going to work things out? Hopefully
they're both you know, smart enough in some way to
be like, oh, things must be totally different with Peacemaker
than over there. Yeah, like my Peacemaker is not a Nazi.
What the fuck you're talking about Yeah, I hope they

(24:31):
don't just become villains, and I really hope it doesn't
become like a I'm the real one, you know, that
thing that we always talk about what you hate?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
There was he he did discuss that that he thought
about keeping around the original Chris longer that guy. Yeah,
that was an edit that went away. The original Chris
has stayed for a few episodes. I would not have
preferred that. I'm glad the first Chris died on the
first episode, but ye happy about that, very happy.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Overall.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
I just clicked back to the episode in the area
is jumping.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
In the bush. There is something to be said for like,
I really would have liked to have had like a
real conversation between the two Chris's. But if I always
want that, I always want the you know before trilogy
version of things, where it's like I just want two
hours of a conversation.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Well, all right, so this is an interesting part. On
the one hand, that would give up the ghost too easy, right,
like that if those two talked for any more than
they did already, we would know way more than we're
supposed to about this universe.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I know.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
At the same time, the only real qualm I've had
with this so far, and like, here's the funny thing
about episode six for me is like I didn't enjoy
it as much as I've enjoyed the other episodes. I
like every scene individually, but I wasn't able to enjoy
it as much because I wanted to just get to
the Nazi part.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, it that held off.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
That held off way too long for me in the
course of the season. I needed to get through that
part earlier in this episode and like the whole every
piece of it needed to be there and all the stuff.
But like I wanted that question answered. The anticipation going
into six was I would have that answered, and we
went out with it answered.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Okay, So overall I do think that it was two
this episode was too overhyped. I think, you know, for
as much as I love the fact that gun Is
you know, kind of talks to us as a fan
base and is you're very forthright with us and whatnot,
I do think that he overhyped it. I think he

(26:39):
needs to shut the fuck up sometimes well say that
with all the love and all the hugs.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Like for me, it would be overhyped in the like
I know, six seven, ight are gonna be a real thing.
But the problem with it, I don't think it was
overhyped for even a more casual fan than us, even
someone who's really keeping track and knew about a lot
of theories even going in. But man, going into this episode,

(27:06):
it's a little bit on me as a viewer, but
kind of not completely like the big reveal being you know,
her saying that have you seen any people of color
in this whole time? Like that was noticed by the
fans episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
We've been talking about this for weeks. Yeah, so like
I've had a whole roller coaster of thoughts about it.
At this point, it was weeks that we've been going
up with this theory. I really just wanted that out
of the way sooner than it got here. And I
think the part that's not going to be on me
as a viewers, I really do think they blew that
early on by showing us the people in the background
so thoroughly that the rumor was able to completely It

(27:41):
was the it was the thing everyone thought was gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
There, it wasn't as big a reveal as I think
it was expecting to be, so by the end of episodes,
like yeah, by the end of episode are mid through
episode six, I'm like, man, these are enjoyable scenes. They
all need to be here, but cathartically, I've got to
get this one thing out of the way before I
can really let myself loose here.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Mm hmm. I don't know. There is a part of
me that likes there is a part of me that
likes the dramatic irony of it knowing it and then
like not being like how does Chris not notice it?
But like here's the thing that was like, people do
really just live their life like they are the main character. Yeah. Yeah,

(28:20):
Like if you're just going about your day, you're like,
you know, you're excited, you got on your peacemaker helmet.
You're just you're riding your badass bicycle or motorcycle, bicycle,
motorcycle over your girlfriend's house, gonna pound her, you know,
gonna You're just gonna go get a PiZZ So you
got it. Whatever it is you're doing, like, you're not
like just like staring and being like, hmmm, I haven't

(28:42):
seen anyone black in the man, you know, like you're
not doing that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I mean, like Hardcourt not hardcore puts it together, like.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I think that's her new code name.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Honestly, Yeah, like she puts together and good get like
good for her. Anyone can notice that that he could have,
he couldn't have. I wouldn't blame him either way, So
I don't. For me, It's not a continuity air at all.
It's just a delivery area, right like with my expectations
being who I am keeping up like we are. I
just needed that sooner than I got it.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Oh yeah, I understand, I understand. I kind of wish
the season had moved a little faster than it did,
or it has.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Like two years from now. I think that's how we'll
probably that's my anticipation of what we'll talk about on
the season. It's like, man, a lot of fun. I
do wish we got to the point on that a
little bit faster.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
And here, well, here's the thing that I I'll say
that I said before, and I think it's really meeting out.
And I saw someone I think on Reddit saying, you know,
by the way, I've really sat down with my dad.
My second watch is first, and we watched all the episodes,
all six episodes together, and it really flows so much

(29:53):
better all the same time, And I do, like I
understand from a numbers perspective, you know, you want to
have that weekly drop to get people coming back to
the platform. It does suck to put a put all
this work into something and then and all this money
and then you put it out in one weekend and
people binge it all in one week and then it's

(30:15):
forgotten the next week. It's not even on the top ten. Yeah,
so I totally did that two weeks later. Yeah, it
Gun has said that it works out this way.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You take up two months of space, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Right, totally makes sense. But I think it might work
better as a binge watch show. I really do.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I think I think it's probably true. I mean, you're
talking about this several times that like certain shows that
you liked her you didn't, you know, vice versa. We'd
run it by and be like, yeah, you know, I
got to watch all of it once, and we've found
our own situations many times that we thought that was
the difference. Yeah, I didn't have to really wait on it.
I got to do all that at once, so that
I'll just kind of flowed from me.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah, that I think certain things really work better weekly,
and certain things don't, certain things work better as a binge.
I think Peacemaker is gonna come good or this season
of Peacemaker has got to go down as one of
those that people who binge it have a better time
with it. On the other hand, something like Severance Dear God,

(31:18):
Like if I watched that all at once, I'd be exhausted.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It is. I've done that, Like season one of Severans
is it's a haul man. It changes your personality for
a week if you try to binge that.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
And my wife, my wife and I did on season
one and it was like every every day we was
like a hangover. Yeah, we were just like, oh my god,
I want to keep you know, or the closest I
could imagine doing cocaine. You know, I'm like I want
to keep going, but I'm just my body doesn't want
to let me.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah. Yeah, you're you're you're experiencing like actual signs of addiction,
like you're drinking against your will.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Actually, you know what I said, I could type into
experience without all. Yeah, it's like that. It's like you
got this crash and you're just like, I think I
need more adderall, but I can't. I can't. My heart
won't take it.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, there's two wolves inside of me, and one of
them wants to live.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, so I think that might be one of the
things with with this Peacemaker. And it doesn't help that
we you know, we we focused on our side.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, we just you know, like in most anything, I'm
gonna scroll down at this point, it's just going to
be you know, Peacemaker trending one way or like it's
gonna it's taken over my algorithms, right, and god, it
was feeding. It was feeding on the Superman ones like
it just this is what it wants to show. I
had I spend my time weeding out and you know,

(32:45):
getting away from a spoiler here and there, or getting
away from a hypothesis that I don't feel like seeing
right at the second.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, and you know that I'm I'm it's still people
are still you know, oh my god, this scene, this scene,
this scene, it's not like people having known it was
basically Earth X or anything, is really taking away as
much as you might think it would. Some people are
acting like it is, and but they're also like before
they'll be like, ah, just fucking I already knew it.

(33:11):
And also the humor. I'm like, okay, you're just not
a fan of what James Gunn does, and it's okay,
just stop fucking watching. It's okay. But for us who
are sitting there going like, oh my god, like everything
out of Vigilani's mouth is hilarious. You know, I'm sitting
there like laughing at this. One of the things that
I am always a little bugged buy on TV shows
is like when they introduce the fantastical elements to characters

(33:34):
who should have a bigger reaction to this fantastical element
like time travel or ghosts or something, and they just don't. Ye,
So like, I love the fact that they go to
another universe and upon realizing that that uh, they're Peacemaker's
dead brother is alive that universe, like Economists, is just
like over here like dry heaving because it's too fucking weird.

(33:57):
It's too weird, Like that ship is too funny to me.
I'm like, yes, someone had an appropriate reaction. Yeah there's
something that is what that would be monumentally strange.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, and here's the fun part. It gives everyone else
in this situation the opportunity to justify to you their
blazinis yeah, because they can turn to him and say, dude,
you just have to deal with it and and justify
it for you, you.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Know, or even just like dude, you didn't know him,
like why is this weird to you? Like, yeah, you
work for Argus, you know, the parallel situation.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Just stay right, all right, So we have to talk
about those which part lex the lex of all things. Yeah,
the lex of it all is pretty great. Did you
figure it out before he sat down?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I didn't either.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Good, No, I was like, who would that be? Yeah,
you know I'm thinking of like a character who already
who has a cane canonically, yes, that was, and then
not realizing that like, no, motherfucker just got ed up
by crypto.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, so I saw the cane, and there's a part
of me, you know, you go down like Riddler Road
for a second in Riddler Road, but yeah, and then
like as I'm sitting there going like, yeah, but he's injured,
and about that time, he's turned the corn. And then
there's a part where I'm like, yeah, but he's injured,

(35:24):
but he's kind of swollen. Yeah, it's not really like
a thin cane guy. It's kind of oh, it's him.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, sadly because of who I am. I saw a
cane and my immediate thought was Phil Hartman and News
Radio from that one episode where he got a novelty
cane and pissed Dave fall. Yeah, because he's walking around
tapping it and using it to help people, the direct

(35:50):
people around the building and shit, and Dave steals the cane.
We both oh, you took it. When you deny it,
you insult not only myself but not only me, but
yourself and of course my cane. I know Joe Rogan

(36:14):
and aid to Dick are both fuck holes and it's
gonna be that part is kind of tough to sit
through knowing who they became. But my god, News Radio
should be watched just for the genius of Phil Harmon. Yeah,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
The Caine episode is one of those. It still stands
out to me, and I only watched it when I
got around to it. Yeah. I think it was one
of those that they'd probably re air in the off
periods more often than others.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know. I don't know if they re aired it.
I felt it felt like an eternity in between airings
of that episode, but also just anything almost anything with
his character was just so good it would be rough
when when it would get to the fifth season, which
wasn't even that bad, it was just it didn't have
Phil Harmon right anyway, Uh, this.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
This guy so uh we didn't get more time. It
was fun to see a darker version. As they pointed
out on the podcast, he's casting and everything.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Uh huh huh. Is there an episode for number nine
already up? I mean number six already up? Because I
couldn't find it.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, it comes out like two hours or an hour,
so yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I couldn't find it. I wanted to watch it.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It's either later that night or like right in the morning.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It was.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
It was there when I went this morning to listen
to it. But yeah, yeah, you get to see him here.
And they described it as like, yeah, it's going to
be a darker situation. Apparently even kind of on set
he felt like it was a little bit darker. I
think remember those mentions earlier when Gun was like, yeah, yeah,
don't worry about it. When you you can tell, like
when characters go from one universe to another universe, you

(37:46):
can tell it's gonna be a little bit different. I
think this is the scene he was thinking about you
just very.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
When you when you say universe, you mean from one
project to another, not yeah, yeah, yeah, because we're literally
dealing in a show that is where people are going
to other universe.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yeah, good clarification. Yeah, OK, one show to an one
project yet So he but he he hit that note
a couple of times where he said like, yeah, y
I promise the tone is going to change. You're you're
going to be able to do this thing this way
and another thing another way, and you can literally see
characters kind of go between these two things. You're you're
you're gonna like it. And I think this might have

(38:21):
been it, which it would have to be Lex's performance here,
m hm, because I don't think Rick is really doing
too much different. He's been himself the whole time.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, but yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
He's He's great man, incredibly menacing, and this is probably
one of the most impactful scenes so far as far
as what's going to be in continuing to see you.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Oh yeah, yeah I can. I can see it happen. Look,
I love that I saw someone online. We're like, what
two hundred and something, You're like, what would what did
he do? That was so bad? And I'm like, uh,
trying to kill everybody. He endangered the entire earth for
one thing, portals the city. He uh he literally had

(39:08):
a pocket universe where he was kidnapping people that displeased him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh and I saw a gun and point this out recently,
those little cans or whatever in the in the little
glass things. Yeah, no privacy, that was their toilet. Yeah,
you're not meant to come out or tell anyone about
how bad this was. This is where you'll die.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Eugenic experimentation.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah. Uh. Trader about that total.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Trader to the country. Uh yeah, I don't I.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Don't know the actual meaning of the word sedition, but
it feels strong enough to throw into this conversation.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah. Like, and you know, I don't think we really
had to go further than almost killed everybody with a
with a fucking quantum unfolding device.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, I mean, that's gonna do it. That's really gonna do.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
And did not did not want to close the fucking
portal when he could.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, yeah, that was all to bait Superman and instantly,
you know, we're talking about like a reverse Joker situation.
How many lives could you have saved by killing the joker.
How many lives would you have taken by killing a superman.
There's a lot of kittens that aren't getting out of
trees my man.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Mm hmm. Man now loved everything with lex I loved
uh the deal that he struck.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I have a big question though, who is the bear
shaped dragon skin man fucking a twink with cartoon eyes?
And who is the fucking twink with cartoon eyes?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I don't know on either occasion. Let me let me
read that that that really wasn't canny. That was the
Those were the words on screen while while you were talking.
Mm hmm, all right, so listening to a bear sized
man with dragons again.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
But but fucking a glowing twink with cartoon.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Eyes, I don't know about cartoon eyes or glowing glowing
would have made me think phosphorus. But that's He's just
very much stereotypes, dude.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Everybody kept I spent so that that is the bulk
of what I the time that I spent preparing for
this episode. I literally wrote down everyone's names because I
was like, I know what they fucked they did in
this episode. And then I went on a deep dive
digging around trying to figure out what the fuck that
he was talking about. And this, look, here's what I
came up with, because like people.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I'm very invested in who this who this couple is
next door to?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Well, I yes, and it wasn't like I was just
it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Initial pound family, it wasn't an intional obsession.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
It was I laughed, and I immediately thought, got killer
Carrocks getting them some, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So we went the same direction.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
But then, like everybody online, it keeps talking about how
Killer Croc is fucking Doctor Phosphorus, and I was like,
I'm pretty sure, based on the powers we saw him
exhibit in Creature Commandos, that even Killer Crocs Dick would melt.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah. No, I don't think he is having any physical
intimacy with anybody.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Also, Phosphorus said he hadn't been touched in fifteen years.
Doctor Phosphorus in no way is a twink, No, and
that I haven't seen eyes sake.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
That is not the man that's gonna get picked in
the lineup here like it shouldn't be. And he doesn't
about this, but I, yeah, cartoon ees is where I
would I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
To do with that. I saw some people say intri
again and Clarion.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Okay, Clarion is exactly the next person I went to though.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Okay, I laughed, and then I thought, no way of
those two fucking magical pieces of shit, Clarion doesn't glow. No,
he doesn't glow.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
So there's no way you've got him in his cell
next to Kelor Croc. That that you can't keep both
of those in the same cell.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Well, it wouldn't have to be next to Killer Croc.
If if the man with dragon skin was intricing.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Oh okay, yeah, then you could just have a magic
kind of cell, right, But he doesn't have dragon.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
He does have dragon skin, he has scaly skin.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I don't think of it as scally.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
You can fuck with that in that description a little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
He could, but I wouldn't do it for this particular reference.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I wouldn't put it past like Waller to have some
sort of medallion or some sort of magical artifact that
would keep those two there.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, and I would for convenience though them in the
same pile. I wouldn't want two of their artifacts.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
But I don't I don't think so I'll tell you
who what I think it's Killer Croc. And yes, I
did think of the dragon the Dragon King from the
Golden Age. I did think of the Dragon King, and
I did try to look around and see if Dragon
King had a what might be perceived as a twinkish
sidekick with cartoon eyes. I did not find anything on that.

(43:54):
The best I could find for a sidekick for Dragon
King was his daughter. Don't think that's where they're going
with it. So where I landed was Killer Croc and
Weasel no glowing and he doesn't glow, you're right, or
Killer Crock and rubber Duck. But again no glowing.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's the glowing that keeps kidding me.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I gotta think. I'm well, look, rubber Duck doesn't glow,
but he was hit by like a meteor. Yeah, that
is how he got his powers. We didn't see him
glow in the one shot, but he was in Creature Commandos.
We know he's in bell Reeve.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I mean they're like, I don't know, Like there's a
part of me, like somebody like Cheshire just from the
cartoon eyes, but that I can't get. But that doesn't
fit for any number of other reasons. And I know
on top of that that's a mask.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
There's nothing that fits one hundred percent there.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Is, which the whole thing is probably whole cloth.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, it's probably just my actual jo that's whole cloth. Yeah,
it's just a whole cloth joke.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
But if I had to guess, I think Killer Crock
and Rubber Duck are my best guess.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I feel very sure about Killer Clock and the other ones.
I think i'd have to go with you just out
of default. I wouldn't really. I mean it like on
Trivia Night when you're like, I have no fucking idea.
Whatever you're at is, write it down. That's that's rubber
Duck sounds good.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, I mean I don't feel great about it.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It's better than what I've got. I've got nothing. The
rest of them just don't fit. I can't get glowing
in cartoons at the same time.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. And it was
worse is I just keep thinking about Christopher Lloyd from
Roger Rabbit.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Oh yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, it's all right,
So let me bounce to some other scenes if you
don't mind.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
No, no, I don't have anything.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So the gun in them also took time to go
over all right, So when I say that, like, I
enjoyed every scene, just not the episode on the whole.
I mean, like, I really do mean that all of
the scenes need to be there. I just wish we'd
gotten the one thing out of the way so I
could have enjoyed it more, including and especially Hardcourt and

(46:05):
Chris talking in the in the lounge here.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Mm hmmm, god's favorite scene of this of the season.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, and I don't blame him a bit. The look
incredibly well written, incredibly well performed. They had a great time,
and I think most of the show this was another
one of the conversations that I really needed to happen
in the season. Now they go right up against what
happened on the boat, and you know, we kind of
talk about it pretty much a lot more openly now

(46:31):
m m. But there's one thing they do in this
conversation that I absolutely fucking love. A choice that was
made where like she never gives him, He keeps pushing
for basically tell me you love me and I'll come back,
and she doesn't want to make it on those terms.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, I came here.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
That has to be enough. Now get the fuck back, right.
We'll talk about everything else after, But I'm not even
going to tell you that right now, this gesture should
be enough. Fucking are you kidding me? I loved that choice.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah, she can too, she really did.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
They were right to fawn over. It was a great scene.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It was really great.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, And it's such a kind of gunism at the
end of it when he's saying like, you know, I
don't hate you, and I know you know, I know
that you know I don't hate you. It takes a
second to put together how many you knows in that sentence,
But it's such a gunism kind of like it's a
little bit funny, it's a little bit more relatable. It
deflates the scene in a way that's a little bit

(47:25):
funny for the viewer, but it makes them feel even tighter.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
He has a gift for those moments.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, there's nothing just and he and look, you know, yes,
all props to her, to Jen Holland for the for
that scene, but you know, I have not seen enough
praise heaped onto the pro wrestler that is John Cena
when he's like yells at her for like taking him down,

(47:54):
and she's like, that bitch had a gun to your head.
She was about to shoot you that I did what
I did to say, like his immediate regret, yeah yeah,
and realizing how and then she's like, and you should
have known that that's what Yeah, Oh you're right, Like, yeah, dude,
he killed that shit. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
He destroys every second of the second thing. It's it's perfect,
there's not a flaw. I would never have expected that
out of him. He has gotten so much praise this season,
and like this season, this particular scene, I think Jade
Rollin just did so fucking well. They didn't have time,
but this is among those scenes that I think Gun
has been just fawning over the whole time about, Like me,

(48:34):
you don't understand how much better John Seena got hm
even between like three years ago and now y'all don't
understand what he's done.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I completely agreed a couple episodes ago. By now it's
just off the charts. Yeah, never expected this much out
of him.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's crazy. Uh did you feel bad for Flurry this
this episode?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Deeply? They're making me love him too? Another good Yeah.
Another thing. Gun's great at.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Harl like Flag is like just give me a second,
and like Floury sits down, it just keeps like, you,
poor bastard, You're about to get it so bad. Leave
the room, man, leave the room.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I almost don't want to spill this for you, but
there there was a so you saw the the deleted
scene here was a little bit of improv back between
Holland and Dunham. The other deleted scene that they had
to choose from was basically him coming back into the
room after he's told to leave.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Do they show that on the podcast. I'm going to
watch that.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yeah, they well they don't show it, but they
talk about they talk about a couple of the things
he did. You're gonna love that part.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
They said it was a tough choice. Honestly, I don't
even know. I don't know why they both sound so great.
Just i'll it's already an extra credit scene. Can you
just throw it in, Just give it, Just give me
both like they're both non cannon ish kind of Maybe
you'll use it if you ever feel like it. But
we can all agree this is for fun. Just throw
them both him It's fine.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I feel like we would be remiss to not
speak of Adrian's mom.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Oh god, yes, that is something else. By the way,
this is two weeks in a row that this show
has triggered nightmare fucking feelings for me. The way she
won't shut up. Mmm, like oh Christ, oh my god,
I understood everything about who Adrian is for that minute. Man,

(50:35):
It's just it's it really felt like when you're in
a dream and you're just trying to run and you
can't get traction on the ground.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Well, I mean she is him, yeah yeah, but for
but for him, Yeah, this is the way he acts
with the peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah. Oh it was. It was a rough scene. Funniest ship.
It was a rough fucking scene.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, I knew he was like, oh yeah he must be. Yeah,
it's nice that you can still be after the breakup.
Oh my god, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up,
shut up.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah that was bad.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, I can't, you know, I gotta tell her certain
things because you know, she can't know that I'm what
I really do. I'm being a superhero. So you tell
her I'm a slut.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, there's even like I do this sometimes in my head,
Like in my head, I kind of think like, all right,
here's what I would maybe try to say, but in
his case, So sometimes you do it for a character
you're like, Okay, this is what he's really thinking. I
wonder if he'll say it all up in that case,
I really like I wished Adrian has been like, I'll

(51:48):
be honest, sometimes I just need her to get off
my back, so I lie about us having a relationship.
I'm sorry, Like he it'd probably be fine if he
just said that like she would. It would be just
as embarrassing as it just wise. But she'd let him
off the hook real fast, you know, especially after they
all walk in there a few minutes later and all
seem to leap about forty thousand dollars richer.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, I love that. I hope that comes back. I
hope they do something with that money. I hope somebody
actually winds up doing something with all that money.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Oh god, Yeah, Eagley is going to distribute it to
his friends. A bunch of coked up eagles dropping fucking
ten thousand dollars bills on people.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Not unless it's pimento loaf, dude. Yeah, damn, it's a
nasty It's a nasty Uh, it's a nasty lush meat
if you can call it that. Yeah, whatever it is
that he was eating, Like, is that what it is right.
It's the kind of boloney with all of in it.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I'm a big fan of. I'll I'll take about a
bite of just about anything just to see. I don't
think I've ever gone out of boy for that one.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Every once in a while, I can do boloney or
a bolona.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
I mean, a good Bologna can be done with some
real plum if you wanted to.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
That's oh no, no a plum.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, No I can.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
It has to very specifically be a certain thing with me.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
No, I can go in confident with a bologna and
really not gonna have the way.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
It's like, it's like two pieces of the thinner one
two pieces on a piece of white bread with mayonnaise,
some mustard, and a piece of craft fake ass cheese.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, you can't have cheese.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
No, you can't have real cheese. And you gotta have
cheese puffs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
The very important thing about a couple of foods that
people people get this wrong all the time. Quick cooking tip.
There are certain foods that you should never elevate. You
need to stay where they are, meet them where they're at,
and bologna is one of them. Right, you're gonna try
to elevate it. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna go
chasing waterfalls. I guess what's gonna happen there? You know,

(53:57):
just talk about it.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
There is a song about it, but I don't remember
how the rest of it goes.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I don't remember. It's a metaphor for things going badly,
situ question.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to, exactly.
I think that's what that was.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I always go take to the craft cheese slices that
you're used to. You know what I do, cheese filled
ch easy.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I do. Don't go chasing waterfalls. Please stick to the
seven digit number you're used to. I go right to
word al phony calls. Don't go making phony calls. Bad
hair day? What a classic classic, classic classic album?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Such we're gonna end uputting Yanco bick on that whatever
you know that rush more people use of like Bob
Ross and h or when gets there a lot of times?
And what's his name? Neighbor, dude, won't you be my
neighbor mister name for a second. But like we're gonna
I think we're gonna putting weird al on that on

(54:57):
that panel at some point. Just great, guys, we just
we were happy they were here. Yeah, I'm nominated for
sainthood in the in the Church of Secular Coolisms.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I was suggested a user on Threads. I assume a
younger woman and maybe in her thirties or twenties, who knows,
But she said, why is it that every man I
meet who's in his forties has very strong opinions on
Weird al Yankovic.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
There's a real reason for this, and it is because
he did something very unique at a time where for
a minute there he was inescapable.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
And then he's only gotten better and he's.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Stuck around and made a name for him.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Wise, Yeah, that's the other thing. And you know what,
I've watched that VH one behind the music on Weird
al And, and he's right. He's complained that every time
he puts out a new album, and he's the only
one who they do this to. H He puts out
an album like every like three years, two or three years,
and every time he puts out a new album, they

(56:05):
go it's his comeback, Like fuck you, No, it's not
like every album I make is makes a lot of money. Yeah,
like I've had like twenty five comeback albums. No, it's
just not what y'all starts saying it is.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Did he everbody just put an album called they call
it a comeback?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It was just but you give them time.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
You know, several years ago now twenty fourteen to actually
about ten years ago, right roughly when we started the show,
he finally got out from underneath his contract that he
started in like the eighties or whatever, and just started
putting out music videos on YouTube as a countdown to

(56:51):
his new album that he did like and he dude,
he was getting like millions of views, like he was
doing really good.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
He did that happy parody tacky. I think it was
called yeah remember that with uh for real there? Uh yeah.
I'd have to go back and remind myself of all
those but I remember watching every one of those videos
and going, damn, you still got it. Yeah, he's still
still killing it.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
They just really, if you're a certain age, he was
in a scapable for a second, you just can't help
but have an opinion of him. It would be like
not having an opinion of a president like you were
if you were alive for it, you were there. It's
all there is to it.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
It's one of those things where you also you go,
you're like, oh man, he's that guy everyone likes to go.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's that guy that you know. Does
you know fake versions of real songs, silly versions of
real songs? Yeah, but if you actually bother to pick
up his albums and listen, yeah, there are a few.
I believe they're called filks. There are a few parodies.

(57:52):
But he's also got some like really really fucking solid
original songs.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I don't think of it better on her Oh yeah,
original novelty, yes, yeah, not sound like novelty right no,
no no.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
But then also then there's just the Poka. Yeah, then
the yeah, the the care of the catalog is just
poka right there. Well, there's a there's a Poka song
on every song. There's like a Poka medley of pop
songs on every album, and they they generally uh ruined
those songs for me because I you know, I'm over here,

(58:32):
I gotten you know nine it is now you know,
going like I want to fuck you like an animal.
I got to sing at fast like weird now though,
I want to feel you from the inside. I want
to fuck you like an animal, and then it goes
into some you know, fucking r em or some ship whatever.
Next was. It was next to the medley anyway, So

(58:57):
what the hell are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I don't know, good lord, I if you want to
really swap, I can just because it got to the
scene here where.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Oh wait, sorry, uh that was there was the thing.
If you mess around enough, if you start to fuck
around and starting to pay attention to who weird else
friends are, you will find on other albums, serious albums
that are not funny. He's like doing backup vocals, He's
doing guitar work. He's doing like he actually is like
a real musician. He like fucks with real musicians. And

(59:28):
he can man, he can he can make he can
play with his voice. Dude, Like, don't don't sleep on
weird now.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, he's a genuine performer.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Back back to Peacemaker, what you got Uh?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
We just got to the scene where Vigilani's like dabbing
economists speck bless their fucking hearts. Man, real hard to
watch this. It there's a part of me that kind
of understands why Virgiliani has a full body costume After
this because apparently the motherfucker's just been doing like civil

(01:00:00):
forfeit aperture in his own fucking basement this entire time.
Mm hmm, civil ascid whatever the ascid for for thing is,
he's been doing that in his basement and just taking
all the drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Like can't flush him because of the crocodiles.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
You can't, obviously crocodiles. Oh, one of my god, one
of the two of my fucking favorite lines episode out
of Vigilante, I think got Manna raising crows.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Uh that fucking I had to I had to stop
and laugh out loud for that one. The other one, though,
I really did have to pause the episode for I'm
I'm not in I'm just incredibly susceptible to peer pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think you sent me that one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I wanted to send you that one as soon as
I heard it. I just knew you were you were
about to watch the episode. I didn't know if you had. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I didn't want to ruin that one for you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I loved that one. It's it's it's the thing he's
been meaning to say for two seasons. Yeah, the thing
that's been glaringly true to everyone but him for several Now, m.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Man, I you know what, I was really excited about
that rubber duck thing, and it's gonnas plague me because
you're right, he didn't fucking glow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Ah yeah, yeah, still still a glove.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I feel like a fucking fool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I just I don't think there's an answer, not a
real one. Oh I there's there's an actual Beatles thing
in here. I should actually say something. For God's sake,
I have an excuse for once.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I know. I'm so shocked that we've made it so
far over an hour, an hour and fifteen minutes into
this podcast, that you're bringing this up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, yeah, it. I mean it's not like there's a
lot to it. It was just it's a funny reference
that they brought that in. He brings it up on
the podcast, like they they briefly kind of bring up
like hey, this was funny to do, and then they
kind of go over history of Halloween. I I don't
even I don't think I have even heard of the
band Halloween. And that's a period of rock history where

(01:02:04):
I really do know a couple of things, and like
it's not they're not even I don't even think I've
run across the fucking name on a list somewhere, man like,
not even just a vague sense of the idea that
that might have existed. Nothing, So now obviously I have
to listen to the entire catalog. Sure, class, I mean,
that wasn't a bad song I was hearing in the

(01:02:24):
background there, but just a funny thing. I don't think, like,
I don't think it was particularly meaningful to like swap
out Lenen for Jagger. Really, I I don't think it
meant anything in particular to grab him or for it
to be Jagger. And like, technically I guess it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Possible, Yeah, I mean, I mean there are there is
like people say, and I don't know how true it
is that he was secretly Jewish, like in ethnicity John Lennon. Yeah,
but I don't know, Like I know he was raised
as Angelican and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
How do you say that Anglican Anglican?

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Oh God, but his like his religious stuff was not
It wasn't particularly heavy on him. And I don't have
like I don't remember at any point in my readings
of lenin histories trying to specifically look for any kind
of history. But I don't remember running cross any like,
I don't think he has any actual Jewish heritage whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I'm pretty he made fun of Brian Epstein for being Jewish,
like he had some anti Semitic yeah dependencies.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I mean not even really actual, not even actual antithmetic tendencies.
He just sort of teased him for being Jewish and
gay the way he's like for him, he teased them
because those were the obvious low hanging fruit and he
teased him. But like, it's one of those things where
like he would tease him about it, but if you
actually said anything about it, he would jump to get
into white like he it was a you can make

(01:04:00):
fun of him, but I can make fun of but
you can't k think for him. So I don't think
there's anything in there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I mean, it really might have just been like a
little funny, like, oh yeah, Mick Jagger instead of John Lennon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Honestly, the one thing that did occur to me is,
if anything, it would be funny to not make it Ringo,
because everyone the typical joke would be that you can
replace Ringo, right. If anything, I thought if they were
going to grab a Rando they would make sure it
was John or Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Now I think Ringo's stepfather was Jewish.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Maybe again, seriously, I've read the entire fucking Mark Lewis
in history. Was never was never deliberately looking for whether
there was any of this history, so it doesn't stand
out at all. But right, you know, I don't think
there's anything there. There's just a bunch of deeply Anglican kids,
all right. I'm trying to remember what they actually I
don't remember. I just genuinely don't remember anything past like

(01:04:57):
their grandparents anyway. But I think I want to say,
like the history that I do remember of it was,
I don't think anyone's actual grandparents out of Liverpool came
from anything farther than like Scotland as far as actual traveling.
That being said, I don't know that. And I don't
remember any of the last names changing to anything that
was super indicative, Like I don't remember I don't remember

(01:05:18):
like a grandpa Liebowitz or anything that would be particularly
telling here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, yeah, I have no idea like over the you know,
over the years, I've heard rumblings and I heard rumblings
last I don't know whatever day about like oh it
was a reference to the fact that John Lennon was
secretly No.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I didn't think about this. It's more obvious than that
he was the most outspoken.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Oh yeah, that that too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
He was the fucking peace nick out of him like
he like. But but they were saying that, like the
Beatles formed at a time where mc dagger like, so
like if they were doing that, there there has to
be a whole history where there was like a budding
rolling stones and a butting you know, uh beetles and
and then someone you know had swapped them right at

(01:06:03):
the time when it would have been good to do
so to get rid of Lennon, who I guess was
being up at EA already. I don't know. Yeah, it
would be hard, actually, I'd be a hard timeline to build.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
If the if all the Nazi stuff kept John Lennon
from being in the Beatles, but that would that would
seem to indicate that it's at least global.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
It would, But I mean, let's be real, there if
that if that said the American century and this is
truly a situation where we just have all black people
on like there's no Beatles because there was never any
black music like that none of that matters anyway. Yeah,
we didn't get the blueser jazz. I don't know what
we're even doing with this, Like they're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Well, no, we put them in camps and we steal
their music.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if it's gonna work the same.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
It might not, right though, you know, it's an interesting exercise.
They also didn't play any Beatles, Like, we don't know
what that version of the Beatles sounds like, so it
might be like the most white fucking bread thing you've
ever imagined.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, I mean, the whole spectrum off of them. Like
obviously there's like their influences came from wherever whatever they
were into at the moment, and some of those moments were,
you know, all over the place. So like you're gonna
get something that's basically the vaudeville stage play and then
flip a track and it's a blues track, just to
straight up blues track.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
M M.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
The next thing, you know, they're gonna mess around with
the recording techniques and invent some psychedelia. I mean, that'll
be three tracks off one side of one album. I'm
specifically talking about a piece of the white album, like
it you don't fucking know what you're gonna get there.
But none of it would matter. None of it would
matter if we didn't at least have some of like
the early fucking like early transitions from swing music to

(01:07:43):
to band in jazz and just all this, like the
early history of rock. None of it would matter, none
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Yeah, yeah, I imagine you can't really get too deep
into the weeds on that. Yeah, as on a project
like Piece Maker, that's not the story you're telling. No,
you don't want to do a documentary of on Earth X.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
He's already told us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I would love to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Oh yeah, have a great time. But he's already told
us that there's basically like a three part episodes worth
of especially at this link, three part episodes worth of
stories about the Helmets themselves. We don't have time to
go over music history too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I mean, I feel like they went out of their
way to give us that part. Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Man, it's a good show. Yeah, I don't tell you
I enjoyed it. I don't know it was great.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I don't know. I feel like I could I could
flip through and grab a couple more, but like, I mean,
you know, oh, just a quick thing about how we
left it. So one thing the show did very well
at the end of it that that I deeply enjoyed
was like, once the stakes get raised, everything goes very fast,
Like Economos gets a pairing knife to the hand mm hmm,

(01:08:51):
and the next thing you know, the entire fucking thing's unraveled.
Their Chris Prime is dead. Chris acts, I guess we'll
call him from now on, but yeah, like he he
gives the whole thing up right there, those two arrested
out of Bayo's Runner for a life, Like, hey, yeah,
once we got started, we'll get to a point where like,
now I'm a little nervous because I've only got two

(01:09:12):
episodes mm hmm, Like, I don't know, that might be
a regret if if I feel like these last two
episodes had a lot more story to tell and we
didn't get to it, then I feel like I will
have I will end up thinking like, oh Man, season two,
I think I would have moved this marker forward and
done more with this area. I don't know how that
only to get though, Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

(01:09:34):
I already agree that in binge format, I would have
no problems like what I'm experiencing right now mm hm, And.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I mean really experiencing it week to week is as
it comes out is the last time anyone will have
to have that experience for the rest of eternity. As
long as these things exist, it will be an a
bingeable format.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah yeah, so, and you know for us, there's it
is what it is. We can't have it the other way.
I'd have to turn off the internet m to be
able to watch the show and not worry about that
kind of crap.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
I mean, I don't have eight episodes in me at
one time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I could make room for the eight episodes, especially if
I kind of banked some time and did some other
productive things to make some space. I could make some
time in my life for that, even the emotional time
to sit down and do the eight. But oh, I mean,
I really would have to just go up the internet
for about six or maybe a good couple months there.

(01:10:33):
I can't mute enough words to be able to use
the internet and go through everything Peacemaker's doing without getting spoiled.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it is fun to dissect it a little bit, though.
It is it is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
It's the kind of thing where like, uh, I don't
even mind the like the lack of enjoyment that I
felt like on that last episode. I'm still having fun
with the show, and I kind of know where that's
coming from. For me, this is more like academic that
I didn't enjoy that as certain.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Oh man, let me tell you this. I laughed at
the end when he picks up that flag off that
desk and unfurls it to see the swastika. I said,
every time this motherfucker goes to Ugust, he gets some
bad news from a flag.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
H that's that's a that's a fucking banger, sir. I nominate,
we end on that. I don't. I don't. I don't
have anything in the contribute that could possibly do better.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
All right, well, guys, thank you so much for listening
to DC on Screen. And yeah, patreon dot com slash
DC on screen if you want to check out the
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for free, be a part of the community, and for

(01:11:59):
five dollars a month. See well, they had three episodes
or one dollar a month, But if you want everything,
including the extra episodes that occasionally happen that are exclusive
to Patreon, God, I'm just really struggling through this and
we I don't know, uh but yeah, oh well you

(01:12:20):
you mean one of the exclusives. I thought you meant
like a pitch. No, all right, let's go. Look. Yeah,
I'll you know, I actually will you know what, I'll
put a little I'll put the warm up. I'll see
if we've got a warm up in that, and uh,
throw it up on Patrick regurgitate it onto Patreon as

(01:12:42):
a as an exclusive. So lucky you five dollars patrons.
Oh just but I feel like we had like a
little mini comic castaways in this episode two talking to
rubber Duck and the Zoo crew, a little bit or
of the zoo crew. We don't we talk about the zuokrew.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
No, that we normally get the book out for that
kind of thing, which we should do against so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
We do and we should. Anyway, thanks for listening. We'll
be back next week at the very least. I don't
think we'll do a news episode this week because it's
my birthday and I'm going down to Montgomery for that.
So no time, no time for that, no time for love.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Dr Jones was playing in the background. I totally thought
Harker was about to beat the shit out of those
agents in the lobby.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I wanted her to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I thought she was gonna snap, and just like I
thought she was maybe about to hand him the globe
and say, I'm sorry, you should make sure this does
get hurt and then just go guy absolutely crazy on
these bastards.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah. Yeah, by the way, my god, like I like
the amount. Sorry, I'm going back into the episode, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Hey, we're doing a stinger too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
It's cool. I don't know the amount of anxiety that
I wound up having because of all the cocaine on
their clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Oh, I forgot about how I had a ton of
anxiety about that too. That's why I'm saying I realized
why I had a full costume.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just sitting there like just ants
in my eyes. Johnson's over here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
The nearest alternate universe hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Immediately I'm like, does this quantum unfolding chamber have like
some sort of like sonic shower, Yeah, some sort of
like dust blower, Like please get that shit off of you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
There was a moment where I was like, what do
you do? Though you can't shower? That will make it
more soluble.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Like you can't a sonic shower.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Yeah, what do you even do for that?

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Not a clue, It's just it makes my skin crawl
just thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Oh, I have a a here's a quick thing for
anyone who's uh. All right, So we got two episodes
left and he changes the intro at every episode a
little bit right the change the interest song.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I've heard that he does, I haven't noticed it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I want to do a side by side at some point,
or at least go find someone else's YouTube video who's
done it for me. But if anyone's curious, go watch
for this. I forget exactly where it is in the dance.
It's it's right after it's right before Algie does his
big number where he jumps before and the Blue Wizard
takes this thing off and reveals that he's So there's

(01:15:15):
this spot where it's alternate hardcore and uh those two
David Denham and what's the name. But anyway, if if
you're curious, I think it's funny every time, go back
and watch that bit and watch Denham's lips very closely.
While he's doing that dance. You will see him do
five six seven eight.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Yeah, you showed me that ship cracks me up every
fucking time I had to get close. It's there. I
like old.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
That episode was actually up later and I showed Christian Reques,
Yeah there he is. Oh oh and one quick sidebar,
Spider Man exists in the DC universe as the Nazi.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Yeah he's a comic book Yeah yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Mean the comic book version of Spider Man exists, and that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Well, he exists in both universes because the other piece,
I mean, the other vigilant, he knew what he was
talking about exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Yeah, it's a good point, all right. So both universes
have the Spider Man meme, which means that the Spider
Man must exist in a comic book form. We don't
have to say that Marvel Comics isn't necessarily all right,
or even what kind of thing might that Spider Man
could have been made by somebody whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
And oh yeah, yeah, you can do that, you can
do that. I was just talking about that with Matt
on the Star Trek universe. They've done it in DC
Comics where it was like, at one point the story
was that you were like, oh, well they did it
where silver Age Flash was became the Flash because his
childhood hero was the comic book version of the Flash

(01:16:43):
that was Jay Garrick. And then it turned out that
Like Who, the person who wrote those comics was like
channeling the fucking other Earth, and it was a real place.
Star Trek is doing a thing kind of where there
they've been strangely, World's refer it's Doctor Who a few
times this year, like we've had we now have had

(01:17:05):
a character say that she used to run around with
the time traveling Doctor. We saw a tartist in one
episode and it was a thing Russell T. Davis was
trying to get together back when they did Enterprise back
and was trying to get that off the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
That was a they went down that avenue.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Couldn't get it done right. It couldn't get it done
because the enterprise got canceled. But when Russell T. Davies
was running Doctor Who just recently he had Shooty Gott
was version of the Doctor and his companion, and the
companion said something like, oh, like a transporter on Star Trek,
and he goes, We'll have to visit them sometime, So
like it is a Star Trek is a fictional universe

(01:17:41):
on Doctor Who, but sci fi magic, they can jump
universes to where it's real, and I would say the
same thing could be done here, you know, just in
the future for anyone who's just like looking forward to
when they announced that Marvel versus DC Live Action crossover
that I assume they'll eventually get to when all the

(01:18:01):
money starts drying up and uh, and somebody's gonna be like, wait,
they're a fictional character. No no, no, no, no, you
can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Honestly, you could let both the universes die from lack
of sales. Wait five whole years, bring back a few
players from both, make three billion dollars at your at
the time for if inflation cooperates and kill everything that's
ever been in the box office, call it a day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
It'd be great. It'd be great. It'd be the greatest
send off to superhero movies ever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
And then just close the genre down for the night
and leave the keys on the mat under the mat.
You're done, it's over.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Give it twenty years, Give it twenty years till everyone's
sick of you know, law firm movies like we had
in the nineties, right right, fucking you know, Jurassic Park sequels, whatever, A.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Lot of fucking depositions in the nineties, like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Eight hundred fucking Fortnite movies, and I assume we're coming
at some point. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. I was today.
I saw on Reddit someone said, uh, do most of
us just have the suicide or just have Suicide Squad?
The twenty sixteen Suicide Squad in our top ten worst
Comic book Movies list, And I was like, Jesus Christ,

(01:19:15):
if Suicide Squad is in your top ten worst comic
book movies of all time, there are a lot of
comic book movies you've either forgotten or I've never seen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Yeah, either you're only following the Marvel universe and the
few DC films that you've seen, or vice versa. But
like you're you're just following the major, major production value
stuff here. That may but I say that, man, you
didn't get around about them web, did you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I didn't wh this hypothetical person as well, though, like it, Yeah,
and you get that. Have you gone back for the
Justice League? You know, straight to TV Evan that hit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Now a couple that's a pilot. That's a pilot. We're
not going to count that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
We'll pull it back to Jonahacks if you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
But oh, you could do a Jonah Hast can do
a halle Berry Catwoman, you could do a classic yeah
you can? Uh can? I interest you in the nineteen
seventies Captain America, My good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
God, damn Rechi can all of which we got it.
I really do want to do for the Patreon thing
like a series of just the awful awful.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
I think I could scrounge up a couple of swamp things. Yeah,
my god, yes, Adrian Barbo notwithstanding, yeah, or Heather Lock
there to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Yeah, and we're talking about movies that weren't there there were,
there were. I could probably grab you ten that are
just the category of so bad they're not even good yet,
I think where they don't come back around, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Randomly stumbled upon a nineteen ninety two Captain America that
was worse than Suicide Squad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Yeah, there's so many, no, so many, for all of
its many flaws. That is a charismitic cast, charismatic cast
with some genuinely great scenes, independently good scenes. I don't
care what the fuck you put them in. You grab
that scene, you watch it, it's gonna be good and
it's a coherent film. I'm not saying it almost ties

(01:21:18):
together as much as you want it to, but it
goes from point A to Z and it gets you there.
That's enough to get it off the not top work
or lower ten list.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Yeah, it's like, you know, perfectly reasonably mid movie. Yeah. Yeah,
that I enjoyed for the most part. Like you know, ah, yeah,
it wasn't a reason to cancel a universe is all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
That was that was uncalled for.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Wow, I mean it wasn't the reason they struck it
out for a while. Anyway, you had to throw that
in there and be like, am I crazy here? Because
I remember a lot of bad superhero movies Electra for Fox,
Like can we talk about you know, like a Silver Surfer?

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Oh god, yeah, I mean like there are people that
would say Lecture and Daredevil would be in there before
you'd put it a suicide squad.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
I did bring up that Daredevil by the way, you
know what, you know what I'm i I'm sorry. I'm
even sorry to Garamba del Tora. All three Blade movies,
fuck it, all three movies are worse than that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
I don't know, And I have been curious about this
because I somewhere I saw someone's little little essay about
Blade two is genuinely possibly one of the best proto
superhero movies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Okay, I've been curious about watching the Blade series for
a while. Now I'll go back for it. I'll take
a look. Let's see what happens. Well, let me say this,
I remember Dan, think about two, I remember some of three.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
I might get I might get shipped for saying that
they were worse than Suicide Squad. I do like all
three of those movies, that's fair, But I also like
Suicide Squad.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
So you and you have them straight in the mediocre
middle gray area altogether. So it's a soup of many medium.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
You know, I'm not saying Blade didn't, you know, bring
comic books back, comic book movies back. Deserves all the
all the the props for some of the ship it did.
It was, you know, a big deal at the time.
You know, had that matrix looked to it that everyone
in that time frame really got into and Wesley Snipes

(01:23:29):
was cool, and Chris Christopherson was fucking cool, and everybody
was fucking cool. It was a good chip. It was
just you know, we're we're living in a post Avengers
in game universe. And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
I think the Blade movies did. I mean they did
well enough for the time. They did everything they were
supposed to, and they helped. They were the they were
the giants we stand upon today.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, and you know, I will I will say this,
if it had not been for Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn
Vy Ala Davis's Amanda Waller and uh fucking Rick Flag Junior.
Now I can't remember that guy's name, Joe Joel Kinman,
if it had mber those three, But you know what,
Boomerang was fucking I'm not arguing, I'm just not mentioning him. Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
The cast altogether. Like I've gone back and watched the
scene where one of the scenes I was saying is
just genuinely that good. Is like when he when they
give dead Shot all the weapons, he does all the
shooting range stuff, and he goes back and does the
thing where he is I'm not talking, I'm talking to
your boss. That's fucking great. I love that fucking scene.
It's great. It's it's funny Kineman even so, it's hilarious

(01:24:39):
in it. Actually, his little you know, the chemistry was
any movie you pick, I think that's a good scene.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Yeah, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Just don't Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to believe
that some of that it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Oh I'm not saying it's not salvageable. I'm just saying,
like one, okay, So what I was specifically saying is like, yes,
Boomerang and Marvio, Robbie and fucking Waller really elevate that movie, faver, don't. Yeah,
of course I don't feel like Will Smith elevates that movie.
Will Smith is Will Smith in that movie. He is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
But they picked him for a reason and it works
for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
And that but that is a reason. That is a
will and a reason that I abandoned in the early
two thousands and I was happy to That's fine. I
never needed to see Will Smith again.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
I'm tired of his stick and has been for fucking
decades now now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
But you bring up a good point. I think this
is why he has persisted like he has. He does himself,
and if he doesn't overdo it, we don't get over
tired of him. He just sort of comes and goes
uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
When he pops in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
He pops in occasionally and plays himself in something and
it's a little bit high profile and everyone's really excited,
and then he can just sort of pull out for
a little while and come back and doing so. He's
stuck around for twenty five years, and they're exceptions because
he's got gin winly great acting credits on movies that
I have typically not given a shit about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's done some good he you know,
Pursuit of Happiness, Yeah, killed it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
He's good work, work and stuff that I was not watching.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
So when I that's the kind of Will Smith stuff,
I will go back for, by the way, but like
the the blockbuster bullshit, Yeah, like I just don't ever
need to see him do that again. I've seen it.
I saw it in an Independence Day, I saw it
Man in Black. I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Well, that's what I'm saying. When he hits when he
hits the high water marks here as far as sales goes,
what like the you know, the big tentpole movies, he's
just doing a stick and as long as he only
does that once every like five, six, seven years, we're good.
So when I saw it here in Suicide Squad, I was.
I was due a Will Smith's shick, and it worked
out finally.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
I wasn't. I think I even remember like going like
that was a fantastic fucking trailer. What I didn't need
was Will Smith be like, you know, some kind of
suicide squad, Like okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
That's that's the Will I cared to know in love.
I mean, like him going like that's how I cut
and run, Like it's exactly how Will Smith would do
that role in any fucking movie. Will Smith was in
no matter who was directing it. Yeah, that's how he
says that line. And it worked great there. I was
good with it, Like even what I was talking about
with the scene where he's going after uh you know

(01:27:20):
Rick Rick Junior there, and like I don't it would
not matter who you put it. The behind Orson Wells
could be behind that fucking camera and Will Smith is
going to do that fucking scene that way. But it
was perfect for that scene.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Yeah, I guess I worked for I mean, I'm glad
it worked.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Sorry you hated it, Jesus fucking Crisp.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
I didn't hate it. I just don't like Will Smith
very much anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Remember when you took it out burned your copy of
the DVD because of the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
I remember us making fun of someone who did that
to something.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, who was that? Well, I can't remember what movie
I think it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
I think it was Justice League? Was it? Oh god,
I think it was Justice League. Yeah, I do, I do.
I had a friend in and we were like, you've
dumb fuck you bought the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Yeah, it's it's the George Rrison thing about buy him
again all day.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
I watched The Girl when I was in junior high.
She went through I think she literally went to a
vacation Bible school or a revival So she was having
a revivalist moment and she burned all the CDs that
she didn't think were in line, and one of them
was like the smash Mouth CD. Oh, which one like
the one, like the only one that was on every

(01:28:34):
shelf that I remember for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
It was. So there was Fusshumang, which had Walking on
the Sun. But then there was Astro Lounge, which had
like all the things that everyone always brings up when
they bring up Smash I'm gonna assume it's that one.
So Astro Lounge. Yeah, I had fucking All Star and
all the all those.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Like even at the one time I was not first
enough to tell to know which one she was talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Well, the first, their first actual album, Fushu Main with
Walking on the Sun, was actually a fucking pretty decent
fucking sky album. It was good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
It probably wasn't that I'm guessing Astro Lounge was okay.
This was like it was probably the big hit one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yeah, yeah, which Astro Lounge was like, it was okay,
but it was. There was clearly a shift.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
I showed you this trick. Do this to somebody, go
right in lower case right, so m E, and then
in uppercase rite b O d Y, just as one
work and just leave the sheet of paper and just
just hand it over to somebody. If they're the right age,
they will read it as somebody, Yeah it's over. Yeah,
I have given that to somebody and do you have

(01:29:43):
have a sticky note to someone of that and literally
just had them look at it, look down, hand it
back to me and go fuck you. It worked great. Yeah,
do you want to actually hit it? We forgot Yes,
we forgot to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
I think so, and I think so. Hey, thanks for listening.
Until next time, we'll be talking about whatever the next
episode of Peacemaker is, Uh, keep some dc un your screen. Bye.
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