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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome into DC on Screen. I'm yourros David C. Robertson.
This is my co host Jason Goss. Hello, and today
we're talking about Peacemaker two oh seven, like a Keith
in the Night. I like that title. I do.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
They've had time this season.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
They have, and so have I. So far.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I believe Jennifer Owllins come up with two of them.
Kimber which ones, but I think too so.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Far, I don't know which one. I know one of them.
Ignorance is Chris was one of Yes. She said, yeah,
well so this was tragic.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yes, tragic, but in so many ways the thing I've
been waiting for this whole time.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No spoilers, spoilers spoilers. If you haven't seen the episode,
go watch the episode and then come back and.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, this is this is Uh, don't don't I'm here,
don't come here without knowing more.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Don't come around here.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I I'm all, Yeah, that's I had a bad song
in my head. Maybe that's gonna be better for a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We'll see. That's like my least favorite Tom Petty song.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's not great, but any me, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, my favorite Tom Petty video though.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's the rub I don't remember video.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That's the one where he's he's playing the Mad Hatter
and they're now's in Wonderland.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
M Yeah, I forgot. That was iconic nineties television right there.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Analysis is like drowning in the giant picture of tea.
It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun
that it's good stuff. An get the tangent out of
the way early.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
That makes sense, so I won't related. This is the
first one with no flashback scene.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I believe, uh they did. They did cutbacks to his
brother dying in the Prime universe.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well, I mean it usually the cold, not the cold.
But I think the opening scene every episode so far
this season has been like some characters earlier whatever. And
then I believe this one. Maybe it wasn't the first one,
but this one it started out instead of a callback,
it was we were right the fuck where we left
off last episode. Yeah, which made sense because that's what
I wish I was able to have done last episode
(02:19):
was get to this more. That was really my only
big complaint was it was good. I enjoyed the ride,
I enjoyed all the pieces. I just knew we were
getting here and I needed the payoff as soon as
I could get it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, so last week we said yes, obviously it's been
made abundantly clear at this juncture this is a Nazi universe.
But I surmised that there was going to be some
other twists that we did not see coming, and I
was right. That twist was that Augie is not a
(02:53):
fucking Nazi.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, I mean, well, it does leave a lot up
for the bait. He he doesn't like being called that,
and he knows what that means, and he's not a
fan of what that means.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But then there was a lot of and yeh, he
makes a good speech about he. It is a great
speech by the way the man man does he go
out like king.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
But yeah, it leads to other questions like, yeah, you've
picked that. That does sound noble the way you put it.
But at the same time, you were enjoying a lot
of the frills of this society, and you know, I
don't know to what extent you may have been able
to reach out to, say, a vigilantian at the Sons
of Liberty, and we don't know much about him. It
was a good speech though I'm glad it went out. Well.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, well, I mean gun did say in the Peacemaker
podcast that Ogie was not a Nazi and he was
not a fan of the problems that were going on
in his world. Yeah, but you know, he's a good speech.
You're right, it is a good speech because it's exactly
the kind of thing that people tell themselves, and not
(03:57):
just tell themselves. It's like, also, people are tired. People
just have to live their lives, somewhat like, you can't
fight every injustice ever now.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And it's honestly that part of that speech is the
thing that a lot of people you need to hear
when you're getting a little high and mighty, is like,
do you fight every fucking thing you find every day? No?
Shut up? Yeah, Jesus fucking Christ, We're all a little
bit tired sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Also, this is an old man, a very yeah old guy.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It does great coming from him.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I wouldn't be able to fly around in that suit
and do anything.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Mm hmm, speaking of kind of cut straight to one
of his his moments. Sure, because that speech is fantastic,
and really the whole thing leading up to it, and
that trial he does with him is a whole is
a whole thing I want to get into. But my
favorite acting moment out of him when he, like when
he's at the door and he steps up to the cop,
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the cop from last season that when he like steps
up to him and cuts him off. I didn't say
he was innocent, Yeah, I said he wasn't he The
way he stepped up then is Oh my god, he's
still so menacing when he wants to be mm hmm,
Like I'm afraid I am surprised everyone on that porch
didn't shrink back about an inch and a half two
inches just out of just instinct. Like when he said
(05:13):
get off of a porch, I would I would have
already been in the process of getting off that man's porch. Yeah, absolutely,
I would have been saying it to my back.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But you know, uh, I don't know. We we have
no idea how much they have gained monetarily from you know,
the Nazis of the world, Like they're just superheroes who
have been running around stopping bad guys. Like I don't know,
(05:43):
I mean maybe they've gotten are they are they doing merchandising?
Is that what they're doing? Like? Who knows?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I I have no idea, and I don't know how
they're the economics are set up in this thing. I
don't know if all those niceties or something they've bought
or something they were assigned, or like, there's any number
of things that could be happening here. Like the all
I'm saying is the speech sounds nice, but I would
require more conversations that were cut off right.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Importantly, though, Augie, we we kind of know all we
need to know, because Aggie is disgusted by the way.
He was disgusted when he found out that Keith was
chasing ads right, and he was like, you know, we
we've talked about this, Like it's like, oh, she clocked that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
At first, that slips by me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He was chasing? Why are you chasing in the first place?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, Like I I thought they were just having a
little kind of tiff, you know, I didn't really register
that that was him giving friction to to his son
in that moment. I didn't realize his son is kind
of an actually a racist dick.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, no, Keith is totally totally racist. And he was like, no, dude,
we've talked about this. What are you doing? Like, yeah,
I clocked that fucking immediately I was like, oh, oh, Aggie.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I didn't catch it until later when he was kind
of in like the impromptu trial, which great, great, I mean, ah, man,
he really does go out well like they they gave
him such a They talk about it well in their
in their podcast, like how much he gets to kind
of adjudicate how kind he is in those moments, how
mm hmmm, how much of a role model he is
for Chris that never got to see something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And when he was telling uh, when he was telling Keith,
he was like, no, when I was in the QVC
or the QUC, I saw another version of me, and
he was he was not right. He was something dark
about him, like that that other world is like a
dark evil version of our world.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's him. He was the one that was bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
But you know how I clocked that though, is in
my head. So the way when he was talking about yeah,
there was something mean about him, I thought what he
meant was, yeah, he was mean, like because he had
been oppressed by the nazis not winning mm hmm, like that,
oh my kindred spirit, just living in this fucking terrible
universe where our boys didn't win, Like I thought that
(08:00):
was the story we're telling. Yeah, no, yeah, that was
a couple seemed late.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and I loved it. Love the love the reveal
that Augie was saddened by his Chris and that he
loved him but he knew he wasn't a good person,
like that was kind of a heartbreaking thing to hear
him talk about it was.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That was when it started to hit me, like, oh, no,
he's fully good. Oh he just oh.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Okay, Yeah, his best version of this is trying to
keep Keith and Chris in line, yeah, and give them
something of purpose, some good purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
The cops here are bad. That's why he gunned him down.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Like I mean, yeah, it the whole episode did make
more sense when he went back, but he didn't really
mind killing his people in the slightest he doesn't think
they're good people for him collateral damage and I guess,
like the white sector of Earth x is, he doesn't care,
(09:04):
I guess, which is weird because on the side, you're
gonna kill the cops. But same time we have the
speech about like I do what I can to fight monsters,
which is true, but like, I don't know that's got it.
He's gotta dance with ethics a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, and I think all of us danced with ethics,
and maybe not as much as that, but I mean,
I think if you're in that situation, if.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You're not trying to, you know, save the world, where
half of the world is actively and openly, you know,
it's it's different. Yeah, big questions. I didn't know he
was asking those kinds of questions.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, but yeah, No, he was got a sel vigilanting
behind him, and I was like, no, fuck, no, please don't.
Oh god, that was brutal, dude.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah. You kept thinking he was gonna stop, and he
just doesn't. Like they cut to the reaction and come back,
he's still stabbing mm hm.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And yeah, when they were holding down Keith and killing him,
just like the way Chris like wailed was like haunting,
Like it struck a nerve in my stomach. Dude. Yeah,
yeah again, Sina killing it mm hm. I ten years
ago or less, you would not have been able to
(10:17):
tell me that the jackass that I'm tired of seeing
on all these posters all over the place and T
shirts who were like you can't see me.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
In the denim shorts.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Dude, you would not have been able to tell me
you this man will be beloved and close to your heart.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
No, no, no, wait for it. The dude in the shorts
is going to make you cry a couple of years.
I mean, I mean he's going to activate your nervous
system's empathy. It's gonna be rough man, really that good.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, while at the same time fleshing out a comic
book character that you were marginally less than peripherally cognizant of.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, but yeah, we are just a I mean, you
could have killed him in any crisis and no one
would have blinked. I think he was probably killed in
a crisis or two.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, he would have laughed and went, now, well mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Were oh I remember that guy, good riddance and moved on.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
But that's the kind of character you just like laugh.
You're like, oh, they're they're bringing in some of the old,
old guys that no one remembers to just like, you know,
throw a little heft into the story. Look at all
these guys getting killed. What if that's your boys soups?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
True? Yeah, but uh, you know it's playing in the
background and just realized they've used He used the same
shot in Superman actually of Seena's running away here and
Keith flies through the like it's the same shot almost
of Lutheran Superman getting t boned. Yeah, I clicked at it,
just got to the scene where he screams, he is
(11:51):
it's just rough man, and yeah, Keith has been absolutely
obliterated by the entire team. He It was incredible to watch.
It's great writing because you watch everyone the Eagle gets
behind him, I mean, like, of course he's going to
but like you're watching full team work, is what I mean.
Even fucking Judo Master is on Christmith's side for the moment. Yeah,
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and yeah, he just he breaks mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Man. Yeah, it was. It was rough, and I didn't
I really wanted Harcourt to put a bullet in his head.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I know. I know. A really interesting bit though, which
which part on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I mean, yeah, I know that they said that they
were basically setting it up for a possible, you know,
harsh Nemesis situation.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Which is a good one. But in the first draft
he she does pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
M M.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I'm not sure what changed. I would love to ask
that one, but yeah, he they I guess he was
gonna kill then them here and maybe not, I mean,
well maybe not. He's he's definitely gonna be alive. And
I guess that universe does have a door.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Oh yeah he does.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
He's got a portal. He can come for him.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
He can come for him for sure, sure as.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Hell has a reason to. I mean yeah, like, as
they pointed out, I mean, you're watching the origin story
of a great villain that just in real time there
at the end.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, I think I think it was one. It caused
so many problems, it would cause too many problems between
Emilia and Chris. Yeah. Two, you are cutting off what
could be a great symmetrical villain story, like you, because
you are dealing with a guy who like accidentally killed
his brother and his father's a piece of shit and
(13:30):
hates him, kills his dad, accidentally kills his alternate self.
So because of him, his good alternate dad dies. So
now you've got Keith, who's the only one, the only
son left. He's in Peacemaker's position. Yeah, and of course
he's gonna come for Peacemaker.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, it mirrors beautifully.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I wonder though from from a writing perspective, and I
know Gun talks a good amount about the killer these
concepts like you know, he'll write, he'll he'll tell the
audience pretty constantly on threads or whatever, like don't you know,
hey it You're welcome to love any of these people
in the fact that I want you to, but I
may take them from you. That's how stories work.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So it must be interesting for him to be originally
about to kill somebody and just go, yeah, but I'm
want to go in reverse this time. There's too much
here that's gonna die if I don't, like, there's too
much potential in the story.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, And I think there's there's something that has always
frustrated me about comic book shows where they will just
fucking kill somebody and you'll never see that villain again.
And I've always just been like, you know, it's the
it's always one of those glaring issues, and it's because
you just don't want to pay the actor to come back,
(14:48):
oh yeah, because it's going to be too expensive. So
you just have to kill the joker off. You have
to kill the ping went off, you have to kill
two face offs, so like and you know, Marvel did
it a yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
So it's a casualty of how the actual industry works though.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
In comic books, these smellphoners are never dead. Never you
can see them blown up. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's weird, though. It's like it when you if you
took advantage of both systems. Well, that's fine, we'll have
somebody for a contract. They'll do the thing. The contract expires,
both go what we wanted. You can't have any more
leverage than I'd like you to have. We're both gonna
just move on. I'll do what comic books are capable
of doing and revive this character later under a new face.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It'd be great.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Or I'll even use an old face but not have
to pay them as much, because that's how that works too. Like,
it's weird for that to be the thing. But then
when we fully embrace it, for some reason, there's a
backlash of like, oh, you can't just go full comic
book on it and just bring back people. Willy, Illy,
I don't know why. I think we've proven that if
(15:52):
you're not paying attention to the fact that that's not
that that rule is in theory is supposed to be exist,
no one actually cares.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, I mean, I don't remember all the particulars, but
I remember there was an arc in X Men, there
was something like like, uh, like Magneto died in a
massive explosion. We didn't see him for a couple of years,
and then he came back. But it turned out something
(16:19):
magnetic powered something and maybe something some other character. I
don't know what the fuck happened, but he was teleported
and but then like also reversed his aging. So they're
like Magneto's back and he's a fucking baby. It was
fucking stupid. It was It was so dumb, and he
(16:39):
was a baby. And then there was like another story
where it's like a dude shows up and he's like
a deaged Magneto and he's called Joseph. But he has
a good heart and he you know, maybe it's like
a you know, nature versus nurture. Magnus was a good
man man and maybe if he doesn't have the Holocaust
(17:02):
happen to him, he won't be become this guy. And
you know, and then it turns out's a clone. You know,
I don't know he was. There's always a way. There's
always a way.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, and they get they get extraordiny, and then the like,
of course, there's always the you can just add a
superpower at an even time and say, oh, we regenerates also.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Right, Well, you remember in the end of Uncanny X
Men two seventy three when he got that blood transfusion
from Wolverine. No, yeah, well it turns out we didn't
know that Eric was dying. Yeah, but he thought, ding ding,
what if I capture this motherfucker, do me a little
blood transfusion, then I'll have my regia. I don't know
(17:45):
that shit didn't happen as far as I know, but
it could because commons.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well in DC, it'll be like, yeah, that was a
big crazy scene, right, but like, oh, it happened above
a Lazarus bit, so we're good.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That explosion was massive. He took out a big chunk
of ground. There was a Lazarus pit underneath it.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But it turned out there was an underground.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well that's what kills me. Like you'll see people online
and stuff like, oh, this just took it out of
it for me, and I'm like, put me out of it.
I'm like, it's a combat book like this. This is
part of the joy of it, is like laughing with
your friends about this shit, Like, man, I didn't know
they had Lazarus pits. At the quickie mart. You know
(18:32):
whatever it was, that.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Was it supply duct, a city supply duck from two
hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I mean, I'll tell you it was stupid. Don't worry
about that. I'll laugh and tell you, Yeah, this is
fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, also sorce material.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
As he was dying, his hospice worker lit some incense
that turned out to be a flower from Nanda parpot.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
There's a thousand ways. I mean, yeah, you can make
up new ones as you go. It did just it
doesn't matter. I mean, sons, you can make suns. Just
do stuff if you want to.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, they literally killed Jason Todd and brought him
back to life because Superboy Prime was punching at the
fucking walls of reality.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Is that? Isn't that how that happened? I thought.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't remember. He was punching through the walls reality
at some point.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It was like undoing things from crisis or something.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't know, Yeah, but I forget what. There's something
else involved with Todd's resurrection, but I can't remember it either.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah. There Well, there was a couple of fake outs
where it was like this happened, and then it turned
out it was clay Face. Maybe that was unhush.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I mean, the the problem with super Prime, that little
jackass is like he'll you'll give him, You'll put him
in a universe, and he'll just literally punch his way
through into another universe.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Just he's incorrigible.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
No, I don't think they wanted to deal with all
those super Boy punching reality. So like in Under the
Red Hood, the uh, the animated movie, I think literally
racial Gould just said hey, this is this will be
fun and just dug the fucker up, Yeah, and threw
him an Elizarus bit.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
That sounds right, Yeah, you don't fuck with Bruce that
That to me sounds like the more realistic Jason Todd's story. Honestly,
that's a better origin to me. And in general, just
raised being like, you know what, this would be a
great sigh up, I'm just gonna throw his I'm gonna
Zombifie his old assistant. That'll be fantastic.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, just telling Ubu like this would be pretty good.
The detective will be so angry.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Continue petting your cat.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Keep digging, Ubu, U shut up, cut up. There's no
there's no one he had but us keep digging. Mm hmm.
I'll teach him to knock up my daughter that we
don't know about yet, right, my race, I'll go started
(20:58):
to become old Greg.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It does get flat and old Greg, yet early it
becomes your old Greg impression. Least. I don't remember when
I actually saw, if I actually really ever saw Greg
the sketch.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I think it's just.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Been your reenactment of it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
My entire life, yeah, your entire life. Well, yeah, your
entire life.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, the entire the entirety of my life, of which
this has been a piece of it has been your
retailing of it.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I cannot imagine you enjoying the mighty boosh.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It really was up my alley. Which is funny because
at some point Noe Feldman became the best part of
the Great British Breaking Show, but no Fielding. Fielding, thank you.
But even then only let's I don't mean that he
stole the show. I mean he was only that good
as as part of the team.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Let's be sure, you know what.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I don't want to speak ill of the rest of
the cast of Breaking Show.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Fielding's fun I do enjoy him on panel shows like
I do think you would like task Master and all
of that ship's on YouTube, by the way, and he's
on one season of task Master and he's I mean,
he's funny and he's weird.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's just him.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
He's just a bizarre piece of ship. Like I mean
that in a nice way. Yeah, he seems like a
nice guy. Yeah anyway, Uh no filled his luxury comedy,
I'm not. I'm not into Mighty Bouche.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
It was closer to to my my kind of comedy.
It was just a little less. It was a little
more tethered in reality, even though it's weird as fuck. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, I can do I do plenty of weird, but
it has to be flavors, and you never know which
flavor is gonna be right with weird.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Right, but you never you never know what kind of
flavor he's gonna do. That's the other thing that's strange too.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's hard to predict.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He's gonna, you know, like he's got like a like
a Brooklyn cop character who who has a talking stab
wound on his shoulder, and that shit is funny as
hell to me. That's on that's on luxury comedy. I don't.
I don't know why that's funny to me.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I even the premise just I got nothing might be better,
want to see it. But even the premise that just
sounds good.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I know, I know, like there's no part of that
show that when I look at it, I go, Jason
would enjoy that. Nope, Nope, there's no Nope, I don't
think so.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I'm on another avenue and that's one alley. Yeah, I'm
not up it.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Like Bethany will like walk around and sing. They have
like a soup song they sing about soup and uh,
she's got different like songs and stuff that she like
sings from Muddy Booche And every time I hear hear it,
I go and Jason would hate that.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That might kill him. Oh, I think I've tried it.
Like I think I've tried about five seconds, maybe maybe
three or four minutes of Mighty Booch somewhere accidentally and
just went Now I'm good.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I think there's even the stuff that I just.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Have nothing for. I've tried a few minutes of.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I think there's like an absurdist, surreal comedy bone that
I have. I think I'm a good middle ground between
you and Bethany in all ways, so like when she
really loves a thing like that and I'm like, it's
a bit much. It's all right, I can laugh at it,
but what I really laugh at is thinking about how
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much you would hate it. That's where I derived my joy.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Idly think there's there's a bit of of shocking people
like even old gun you know, trauma era stuff like
it or trauma whatever that was called. Yeah, there's a
little bit of thinking it's funny because of how other
people are going to react that I had. I don't
really have a bone for it.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That didn't. I can't think of a time when that
hit me a certain kind of way.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I don't think it's one that I've been into. Yeah,
but it's a whole ass comedy style.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and there are different versions of that. I wouldn't
put the gun trauma stuff in with what Noel Fielding
does either.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
No, No, he just he mentioned you know that like some
of the early trauma stuff he was enjoying, like making
people not like things, and like that's it's something he's
talked about recently. It's like, Yeah, what I'm enjoying more
of these days, is doing stuff that everyone's going to
like with me?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, it does. I don't know. I get it. Yeah,
as the man who made man Milk. Yeah, that is
still currently available on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Video Eye Product.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
All right. I take I take a certain joy in
doing something that people are just not gonna get and
gonna be really upset about. And that video has worked
in that regard. Like people do not enjoy that video.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It was it was predictably disagreeable. I did great.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, yeah it makes me laugh. Yeah, but it made
me laugh. Uh, we'll see. You might be closer to
us than we thought.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, that's that's what I'm saying. It's flavors. I like,
you know, a certain amount of absurdism. I've got plenty
of Muney Python in my back catalog. But really just
has to be a certain kind of way and you
have to be in the right mood for it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I think you would like certain I do think
you would probably like the old Greg episode of Muddy Boosh.
I do think you would like that one.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I think you would like when I tried if I
was going to and.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I think you would like the Crack Fox episode. But
it's just a crack addict fox living in a pile
of trash outside of their apartment. That the creepiest looking
puppet you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It just have to hit me a certain kind of way.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
He brings them in and he sits them down. He's like,
would you like a drink? No? Sure? He like hands
Nold Fielding like a little cup, and Nold Fielding starts
to drink it, and he goes, what is it? And
he starts to drink it and crack fuck crack funk
goes blood from a cat's face. Oh god, I.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Don't know what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Like, who comes up with that?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, which I enjoyed some times, but it really does
have to be in the right spot for me.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, anyway, because to some.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Extent it's like, hey, what if this guy goes out
and does this and it's weird, Like, I mean, but
I grew up with a masturbating bear, Like I don't I.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Don't see, But that's that's the that's kind of the
I don't know genre or feeling that ropes me in
and makes me feel like mighty boost shit is relevant
to me.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, well even then, like the you know, the conor
masturbating bear type is. I mean, I was even in
on the joke about that being a watered down version
of the ABS, like this is what we can get
on TV, and like, yeah, it was good for that,
but just it's it's still on and it hits me
about twenty percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I feel like, no, I just I just love the
absurdity of it. The S and M Lincoln, the triumph,
the insult comic dogs. Look I had to like, well,
I didn't really explain anything. I just laughed maniacally as
my grandmother got very angry at Abraham Lincoln coming out
with leather straps on, oh and a ballgag was like,
(28:32):
you watched this show, will to be fair, I've never
seen this specific character. Of course, all right, so let's
talk about the Hitler wall.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Let me let me, let me click click back to it.
It is is a thing to behold. I won't waste
time trying to find it, but if I can find
it's wonderful.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I just edifucation door. I think if I had written
the scene, because like what we're what we're doing with
She's like, dude, like, how did you not notice there
are no there are no people of color? I don't know.
I just didn't notice. I mean, there they have mine
Kamp on every desk. I don't read. I don't know.
There's a giant Hitler mural.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
The giant fucking mural apphilate. Yeah, and it really is
the whole wall. I can't stress enough that it's just
painted right up to the corners. Yeah, and this is
a room we've spent a lot of time in this season.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
By the way it is. It is absolutely And I
had the response for Chris, and I wish they'd had it.
I wish he had said I thought he was the CEO, like.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, but it'd be it'd be borderline impossible not
to even see that wall and notice the I'm staring
at it now because I did find it paused two
Swaska swastikas and an iron cross on that wall.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, dude, though, Like, okay, I know you've delivered pizzas,
uh huh, and other foods.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Thousands of pizzas, all right, pizza pizzas.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
There is a thing you do where you will you'll
have like a whole bunch of pizzas you've got to
go deliver to some company. Companies are fucking weird because
they will have murals of the Founder. They will have
like some weird fucking painting on one of their big walls.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Those are churches. You may have taken it to the
wrong place.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
No, yes, yes, but no, here's my point though. You
go to these places, you see some big piece of
artwork and you see some dude and like, I don't
know who that is. You don't even acknowledge it. You
just like, yeah, yeah, there's artwork in places.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, he's probably in charge. He probably for that crap.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You just kind of like out of the corner of
your eye you see some dude and you're just like whatever.
And then you see a cross and believe it or not,
Like I don't know about you know where they are located,
you know, as far as where it fits in the
Bible belt. But like I could totally see just seeing
iron crosses have just been like yeah, yeah, Christianity, we know,
(31:23):
but you know what I mean, like because we're in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
No, that that part, yes, the the swastika, that's borderline
impossible to mix up. Yeah, just a little like the
little I think it's an iron cross. Whatever the thing
is though, is uh like I regularly kind of have
an on Uh. I used to sometimes too, still, but
I sometimes have an ONC on you to be amazed
how many people told me they liked my cross. Just amazed. Yeah,
(31:48):
just absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, I've got one for you. Uh. Several years ago,
decades ago, my mom was like really into lighthouses and
she bought this lighthouse and she's just in love with it.
She's like, oh, so pretty, this is the best one
I owned. And I'm looking at it. I kind of
just started chuckling. I was like, it's an interesting, uh,
(32:13):
sort of a windmal thing going on with it. Don't
you think it's like a lighthouse but it's also like
a windmill. She's like, yeah, that's one of the things
I liked about. It's so weird. And I was like, yeah,
you know, it's the blades looked like a swastika, right,
and she's like looking at it. I'm like, it's even
fucking red. Mom, She's like looking at her. She's like, all, Dave,
(32:34):
now I'm gonna have to put it away. I can't
have that out. I didn't even think of a damn swastika.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It's really unfortunate that that's also kind of like if
I was gonna make If I were just gonna make
like a little logo for like a turbine, this might
be what I would kind of try to do, because
it looks like something that's crossy like that, that's kind
of in motion spinning. Yeah, I'm gonna put a little
circle in the middle of it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think that it might have just been a windmill
like it just because it was shaped kind of like
a lighthouse and have like a little platform on top
doesn't make it a lighthouse. Yeah, But nevertheless dims with swastikas.
This us She's like, why would they? She said, She said,
why would they sell it? There? All the employees are black,
(33:23):
And I was like, I don't know, Well.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
There, I forget the examples, man, I've seen and I
think it was maybe because this trended for a second
that I saw a couple of other things that were
like products that accidentally got sold and you just you'd
be amazed. I still don't completely understand what the Peacemaker
Fortnite situation is.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Did they make the dance. Did they make the dance
not realizing he was doing swastika arms?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I think that was it. I'm very out of loop
on this one. Because I guess that like when he's
doing the thing with where the arms go up and
down on a side kind of situation, it turns into
a like a hell symbol. Yeah for a second, Yeah, okay,
I get it. Kind of funny. If that's the case,
it means you didn't see that coming and then loaded
(34:05):
the whole skin pack, and like, I don't know if
they did either, Like in episode one, he was doing
the same dance. I don't know if it's sorry, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, by the way, it's really hard to draw a swasika.
Why what do you mean? I don't know. I don't know.
I don't remember like what they look like well enough,
like while I'm doodling it. So I'm just kind of
like it always just looking. It always just looks like
a hand that's been mangled by a bat, Like someone
(34:37):
is just like beating the fuck out of someone of
their fingers are all broken and ship.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So take any finesse out, make it as simple as
you can, make sure that only an idiot would remember
the simple. Then draw it again. That might help.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It. I think.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's gonna for your hand to draw.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
My body doesn't want my hand to draw it. That's
the issue.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
This is the opposite of automatic writing. There's a not
Nazi ghost in you that's just like, no, don't do it,
don't do it, don't let me do it. Keep trying
to do it. It keeps nudging your finger to the left. Yeah,
I can't get the line straight.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah. I remember an old roommate of mine was like,
comes into my room and say talking to me, and
he goes it, looks down and I had a notebook
just sitting on the bed, you know, and they are
all these swastikas all over and he's like, what the
fuck you know he was he was Jewish, you know, yeah,
prone to ask. I was like, oh, yeah, sorry, you know,
(35:47):
I just like draw what I'm watching. And he's like,
what were you watching. I was like, it's watching American History.
Acts like I'm I'm not in favor of the swastika,
but they were swastikas all over the fucking place in
that movie. I was just like, I was just realizing,
like god, it's so hard to draw that to one.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Of the least graphic things you could have drawn in
that movie, honestly.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
But and uh, he was like, yeah, they fucked up swastikas,
Like those swastikas.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
As a shite. Yeah, you suck at this.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
He's like, if a Nazi saw you trying to draw that,
they would have to kill you. They would just put
you in the chamber.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
They would assume you were taking the piss. I'll be honest,
they've assumed making fun of him.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I think he was saying I was mentally challenged. I
think that's what he was insinuating. Of course he wasn't
a nice guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
One thing, while they're running out of this early scene,
just leaving the murle mm hmmm. It's a it's a
great scene. It's in the whole season has done a
wonderful job of going into the intro music.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
This one no exception, of course, a couple of spots
on a really left. But there's a so he breaks
up with softcore? Is uh what Jennifer Hollum was calling
her earlier on right? Great but he breaks up with her,
you know, great, great scene we're going to start a fight.
Uh that one guard? Oh he did? He is He's
(37:24):
so dead. If he's not, he is being fed with
a spoon for the rest of his life. Because that's
important to remember. These people, Uh, they're just left behind.
This universe didn't get any better. M hm, Like they didn't.
They didn't do anything to save it, Like they're they're
just gonna have to go back to their world, their
problems to some or at least this episode they did.
(37:44):
Don't know what we're gonna do next episode. But yeah,
as he's as they're leaving, a couple of shots that
I love, in particular the way he grabs that guy's
forehead on the way out.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I like tried to see if it was Rick Flagg.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Would have been great. It really would have been fantastic.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Got I wonder if this ret flag is a secret
son of Liberty or if he has if he's probably
just a Nazi. He looked like pretty underfit character.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, and underfoot character. He had an he had an
insult vibe.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But yeah, like the way the and then the other
agent falls down at the same time, it took me
a second to realize, like I think hardcore just throws
mind comfit the one guy's head, uh huh, which is
also fantastic. But right before they run out, there's this
little moment and it and it uh jails.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Later on the motorcycle. One little mote right before they
run out, you know, between the actual beat up and
between them just seemingly bullying the two guys on the
way out of the office because they weren't trying to
fight them. Hm, like they probably they could not. Probably
they could have left those two alone. But yeah, like
like Hardcourt smiles at him like there's a genie you
(39:00):
and tender I'm enjoying this with you kind of smile.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
It was really cute.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Fits really well with the motorcycle thing later. Yeah, another
moment that Sina could get an award for by itself too.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
But oh absolutely I love that. Like as they're on
the motorcycle and the cops are coming for them, and
they both know that the cops are behind them. Yeah,
she the way she leans in, like she's just like,
you know what, we're about to die. I'm good. Yeah,
let's just like lean into this and give in and
just hug this man.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Just gonna have one moment just just getting bad out.
There's gonna have one moment for us, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
And his Yeah, the way he squeezed her hand, the
whole thing just gorgeous, wonderful.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And it's it's really there's a look on his face.
I don't know, man, it reminds me of a certain
kind of feeling, like there's an infatuation period, you know,
with when you're falling in love, Like there's a there's
kind of a thing that really does happen, like your
your skin tingles when you're in that period and that
person touches you, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Like he even has like a look in his eyes.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, it's because you just ate the box of chocolates
they gave you.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, I mean that is mostly mushroom and dow psychosis.
But short of that, it's it's like he has like
this oxytocin kind of drop in his eyelids when when
she puts her like her head on the back of
his neck there and like it cuts around to him
and he does, like his whole face drops, like he
it's just a fantastic fucking job of acting toward the
(40:33):
television screen here, like just gorgeous. Yeah. He there's a
moment right there where he I think he hopes they
get shot right then. That that is all that's all
he's that's all he's got in call it was It
was sad a second ago. It was a few seconds
later when they were about to just go down and
like Bonnie Clyde style.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
But m m man, real happy for him right then though,
Yeah for that second, yeah, I'm really happy for as
Judo Master as well.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
They were great.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
They were great. It was wonderful to see their their relationship,
well their friendship budding.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Mm hmm. I love the starting point, you know, didn't
seem like a fair fight.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, absolutely, And I figured Judo Master would be the
one to save her. Yeah, like he's been skulking around
going hm hm no, just shit, ain't right.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, I thought if he was alive, that was great.
But I thought there was a chance we were gonna
hop up in this universe and find him lynched or
some shit mm hmm, like properly actually lynched, like this
was there was a chance that he was gonna be
one of the things that Gun was like, Yeah, I
know you like him, That's why I warned you.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
He is a crowd favorite for a reason. But like
and yeah, like that, we finally got a little bit
of his story here him by the way, he he
might have had one of the funniest lines here just
with what he say, like four.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, that's the most people I've killed in the swimming
in a swimming pool with a telephone wire? How many
swoom people did you kill in a swimming pool with
a telephone wire before four?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Really knocked it out of the park with this round.
What was the pretty what follow up questions? What was
before four? Probably two? Like he didn't say this was
more than the other time.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I killed a bunch of people in a pool with
a telephone wire and he didn't say it that other
time when I killed a bunch of the pool with
a cable wire. M h makes you think they're iterations.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, it does different wires.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Different wires, possibly different bodies of water and names.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Oh yeah, my wife brought this to my attention. I
mean I heard him say it. But when Aggie and
Keith save Chris and Amelia and Aggie says, come with
me if you want to live.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Was like, he said the thing from the thing and
I was like, what thing? It just went right on
terminator and I was like, is that a thing?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah? Yeah, and you know what's worth I even knew
it was a thing that that's a trope line.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I dude, I thought it was from Predator.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I guess it's from him. I knew that was a
trope line, that we were making a joke reference to
that kind of bad trope line. Like, I knew that
was a joke about bad action trope lines. It completely
fucking went over my head that that was a guy.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah. Now not only is it, like she pointed out
that it was Kyle Reese the first Terminator who says
come with me if you want to live when she's
like running from Terminator, it's also in T two that
had Robert Patrick in it. Yeah, And that was the flip,
was that Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminators like gone with me if
you want to leave? So like it was in both
(43:39):
of them. Yeah, I just fucking I don't. For some reason,
I thought, I you know, I switched it with Get
to the Chappa.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, Like there's only a couple of phrases that I like,
I forgot that franchise owned that phrase and that he
was really a part of it. Yeah, in that reel
of a capacity, I completely slipped.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
By me it normally he doesn't like, you know, I
got it. I got it in Wayne's World two.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
You remember that, No they ever saw Warren's world too.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Wayne. Wayne is trying to get to a chapel or
something to stop Tia Career from getting married to some dude,
and he gets pulled over and the cop walks up
and it's fucking Robert Patrick and he just pull holds
up a picture of John Connor and goes, have you
seen this boy? And fucking Mike Myers looks at the
camera and goes, who drives away? That's good.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I saw the first one, and then never really can
heavily consider grabbing second.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
There's there's some there's some stuff to it. That's good.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
I clicked the head here there's a spot. I think
I just realized that if you heard that episode. So
they kind of talk about how what's it Shasha bardout
Bordeaux like she just kind of stretched over, like she
walks really well. How to just run across and see
one of those scenes. Yes she does, they're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
She's like a runway model.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah, she's she's an absolute she kills. But I just
also realized that most of those scenes she's standing next
to Rick Flagg, who is a full head above her.
Mm hmm, so like she's I think she's doing a
really great job of looking like she's very in control
of having to walk very fast to walk next to
the guy next door. Yeah, but they got me to
the uh. And the other big thing with this episode
(45:28):
is the Superman crossover.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
With with Sid Happerson.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, yeah, the Happerson. Yeah, that was his nice glasses
is how I remember. Mostly I love this little bit.
This is going to be part of the world building
that they're doing with this episode. Is happ person of course,
of course wants to know what's in it for me,
and Rick just says, well, your buddy Luther said you'd
(45:53):
do it, and he with with a tremble in his voice, says, no, no, don't, don't,
don't don't, don't, don't tell him I said anything. I've
got it. Yeah, So from from prison, Luthor still has
enough juice on this guy that he is actively afraid
of him.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah. Like, look, we promised like certain things if you
could do this, so you don't want to make him angry. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I mean it's a good point though, if you've been
close enough to Lex to see what that's like, would
you want to be on the other side of a
plan that he has? Yeah, if he's if he's got
ambitions about something, and you're near the fire. Either get
the fuck in or get further away, or you're gonna
get out, or you're gonna get burned.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Like mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
He's charming me. The guy's growing on me, though, Happerson.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Is Efferson's all right, he kind of bugs me. I
would not if the day comes where we see his
head blasted right off his body, I won't shut a tear.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh. I don't think I'm gonna be super attached to him,
but I liked him.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Just I say that. I would have thought that about
several other things as well. But Gun tricked me there too, right.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
True, so true?
Speaker 2 (46:58):
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
The just went back to more Judo and Adebayou And yeah,
great conversation. M hmm, wonderfully timely, of course.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Timely scrabbly.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, they this cracks me up. He does like he
guns scripted in a small endorsement for his favorite bands here,
uh like, he lays out some of his favorite glam
rock cheese bands and then just sort of has her explained.
And I'll be damned if I wasn't look compelled by
her argument. Look, if you just get past the cheese.
(47:33):
There's a lot of this and this and this and
like okay, yeah, yeah, okay, you're not wrong. Yeah, if
you get past the basic conceit of whatever version of
music you're trying to enjoy, whatever that conceit is, if
you can get into the language it's using, you'll probably
like it and it probably relates to the things you
liked before in another way. Fine, but I don't like
the cheese metal as much, like I don't want to
(47:53):
do that.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, I mean I've got stuff like that that you're
not really into, like Billy Joel.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I'm just never never going to care that much.
I'll have I'll find spots where I'm in Internet, you know,
I can get into a song here and there, but
it especially with a cannon that they got it be
an idiot not to find like two or three.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine you would like songs from
an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, that is pretty much. The one that I have
is the Vienna Vienna Waits for You is the only
song of his that I have on any playlist whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Well, that's a different song.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
I thought it was off that album.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
It probably is.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
That's the I think that's the album already keep saying,
but I could have that wrong too.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I I know not. I've listened
to enough Billy Joel where I and the Cannon is
big enough where I'm now a little fuzzy on where
certain songs are.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
What decade it might be from anything like that?
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, which decade where like I could probably pick out
anything from the The The Nylon Curtain. True, that was a uh,
you know, an incredibly underrated album, which is why Legends
of Tomorrow will always have my heart because they did
all episode with Ray and Nate geeking out about Billy
Joel and discussing specifically the fact that The Nylon Curtain
(49:12):
is one of his most underrated albums.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
That's funny because I love that album.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
Well, like I did. I ended up in a conversation
last night with somebody who did the thing that we
often do where this was this was a guy that
was in his fifties and he's you know, he did
the thing where you kind of automatically apologize for like, hey,
I just started listening to his band. I know they're
from like the nineties, but I just found him and
as he did that reflexively, I realized, we don't have
to do that anymore. We just don't have to do
(49:43):
that anymore. There aren't there's no time to genres. Genres
don't matter. It's the same Spotify list. The playlists are broken,
the genres don't matter, time doesn't matter. Just fucking listen.
You don't have to apologize for finding a band from
the eighties or from ten years ago anymore. Apparently, No,
it's the upside if not of certain things not mattering,
is that certain things don't matter.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Well, also, you know he's of that age, so you
know people are so hateful they they're hateful about that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Well, yeah, but I think that part we are going
to be able to maybe retire the idea that you
were you were supposed to have known that music already.
Are you supposed to have found that area or you
weren't supposed to find that because you're this age and
that was this age, And I think we're about to
maybe just I think we're about to be past that,
if we're not already probably.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Growing growing up. Dude like Matt, Matt Carroll, you know
from mc ucas, was so hateful about that ship to
me it's like, I can't believe you're listening at the
counting Crows. That shit's like two years old. I'm like,
let me like mister Jones, all right, for fox sake.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Not just not mister Jones, for God's sake.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I spent two years going back and tracking down Tom
Petty stuff. Yeah, from the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, it's really always been the case that you could
be in a bubble and things changed. There's you know,
there's not myniculture like there used to be. You they
really there was a time when you couldn't avoid a thing,
and it was the same thing that everyone else on
the planet couldn't avoid because all the things were pointing
to you that way. And it works differently now.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, yep, things are a little weird now, and I
don't know what to say about it.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I'm not quite sure either. I do want to give
a quick a shout out to a conmos in this one. Okay,
the comedy is always there. I just did. It's like
a joke that hit twice where every time he tries
to lie, he just goes straight to like, oh, you're
just a lie detector.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
They hit that joke two or three times where he
just starts to and like someone in the room gives
up way before he does.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
That.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
He's he can't even try.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yep, enjoy that, right bit. I wish I remembered what
Aggie said to him.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I don't remember which time was some bit where he
was just like, there's one I mean, wait, I don't
know who these people are. What's this weird costume he's wearing.
I'm unfamiliar with it.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
That's great, but he was just like, you didn't say
anything that, you didn't say anything untrue or something like that.
He's like, damn it, I don't I don't remember what
it was, but it was really funny.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, I'm clicking around real quick. So if there's anything,
oh uh eagerly with the string.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Dude, that was so funny to me. That had baby
groot with a thumb, yeah, gitten all over it for me.
I'm glad they didn't extend the bit, but I did
love that he just came over and dropped the string.
He's like, the fuck do you think I want a
string for? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, he drops the string. This was this, this, this
is this was great al right. So he drops the
string and then he goes straight for the refrigerator. You
selfish or whatever. Yeah, and for some reason, I feel
like Eagle knows what he's saying to him to some extent,
like to the to the end. This is how crazy
(52:58):
the show has you. Sometimes when he drops the string
and then walks away and John's like, you fucking dumbass
eglo blah blah blah. For a second, I was like, wait,
let it, let the eagle cook. I don't know what.
I don't know what this show is capable of. For
all I know, he's about to make a weird rescue
with a string. Hold on a second, mm hm oh,
he's just gonna get blowney am.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
I all right, But as Gun pointed out on the show,
he is smart enough to like do the lineup with
the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yes, that was great too. I want to click to
that just to see it myself. Yeah, he he thinks
he's one of them.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
You know what is that from? That's from something where god,
I can't remember what it was now, something where it
was basically making fun of people and what they're What
we as as a whole in society find amusing how
(53:51):
easily we're amused looking at a pet and we're like,
he thinks these people.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, you can anthropomorphiz something, and we are absolutely in immediately.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
It's like we you put a hat on a dog
and we we lose brain cells.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well I don't it is rough. I mean, I'm sure
people are fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
I'm sure we could find an animal and a wardrobe
that would get you. Maybe not. I'm not saying all
the time, not saying it's going to be a new,
you know, hobby, but I'm sure we could waste a
few I think it's just too human a response. I
can find the right chimp in the right dress or something.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I mean, I think the closest I've gotten is just
laughing at something you've done with your dogs and going,
you're smarter than this.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Man, No one is. It's great. So, speaking of something
I want.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
To point out taking a as I'm taking a picture
to send to Bethany.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, as you're actively enjoying the chicanery. Something I want
to point out about eagerly walking up with the rest
of them is and I love how much they know
if you're really in this scene, if I was really
walking with a group of five people and there was
really an eagle next to me that thought he was
one of us and was kind of like walking. I
would not be able to be in that moment anymore.
(55:08):
I would have to be like, guys, y'all realize the eagles,
this is awesomes with us, like like check out everybody,
I'm I would be telling the people with guns like, yeah,
hold on it, the eagle watch look, look it's adorable.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Mode. Yeah. It is totally a missed opportunity, Like I
know it would have. It would have absolutely uh tread
all over stomped upon. That dramatic scene part of me one,
which is Langston Flurry had been like the duck thinks
these people.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Arrest them, and the duck.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Peacemaker's parent thinks that he's one of us.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, no, no, because we don't know exactly the form
that he's got. Like everyone goes to arrest someone in
Flurry for a second, like without a dance partner, partner
doesn't know who's arresting. He looks at the duck, or
he looks at a duck. He goes over to Eagley
and like tries to arrest him, but he reaches like
four feet above him with the handcuffs, and I guess
(56:06):
handcuffs because why not. I don't know what the bird
shaped like.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Anyway, Yeah, there's another version of this where, like in
my head where they all approach and Judo Master slowly
takes his position on the other side, and there's a
in my head, there's a version where when he does that, Langston,
confused walks over to the Peacemaker's side.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
And they're like, Glorie, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Because I thought we were doing We're just kind of trading.
I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
I thought it was like an exchange program.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, like if he came over here and I thought
I was as close as we had to equal, so
I would go over there. Oh god, I would have
enjoyed that.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Well, technically I am John's boss. You are not my boss.
I technically am.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, yeah there, all right. Let me ask you this though.
In the walkover, by the way, the thing I love
so much about that is that it's how normal it
is for everyone to just accept the Eagle's part of
the team. Absolutely, I love it. It makes me so
happy about the show. But if you did, you what
do you register at all about Judo's Did you watch
(57:22):
his face at all when he pops over to the
other side.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
There's a resolve there, like you know, I have to
do this like a lot.
Speaker 1 (57:32):
Did you catch hesitancy or.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
I didn't feel like there was hesitancy. He also did
not hesitate to back them up on their lie. He
did not.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
He did not. And what's funny is like even Sina
kind of like looks at him, he sees him cross over,
he gives him like two different looks, and there's an
understanding there. I don't know all the lot of the
writing in the scene happens and looks, and I love
it because the interpretations great.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a look that says like that's
such Yeah, like yeah there there's like a we know
that you have to do this, but now maybe you
hopefully like us and that will come out in our
favor a little bit.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Yeah. I mean, for I saw hesitantcy because like there's
a moment where he kind of like leans his body
forward and I get there was a sense of I
don't know, there was a sense of like and I'm
I'm supposed to go over there, and it's it's I'm
definitely going over there because there's no way I'm standing
right here for what's about to happen. But I don't know,
it didn't feel it didn't feel right for a second
(58:35):
for Judo Master. I liked that.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (58:38):
I wanted and I do. I wish we had a
few more seconds of Langston's uh kind of a little
bit of his reaction to that scene, like you know,
the you're I mean yeah, like the duck thing would
completely kill it. We'd need to avoid the duck situation
for now, but I would have liked to see some
of that.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, it's is a little some both sides for me
where I'm like, ah, god, I know why you cut it.
I know why there's no version of this for that
was a thing as far as I know. But I
know I understand why that's not a thing.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, even if it hits all dame, I understand the edit.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Like, it's not a situation where I need you guys
to write in and be like no, I don't like
Billy Corgan's voice day if you're wrong, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
No worry, we got it. I promise it's fine.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's the last time someone wrote in to tell me
I was wrong. It was a long time ago. I mean,
I'm usually pretty right. Honestly, I'm a pretty great.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Guy except for about Ellie Corgan's voice and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
I don't want toot my own horn. I like his voice.
Speaker 1 (59:43):
I mean, honestly, I think I was in that group.
I'm definitely in the minority where I'm like, oh, the
music's great. I just wish I could listen to like
the karaoke track all the time. Yeah, just exclusively that, Like,
I'll sing along if I feel like it, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah. And by the way, I don't think I'm right
all the time. Now, I wasn't telling you. I was
telling them. You're you're usually privy to them. To my
uh my, my deep spirals of self doubt. You know,
I don't think I'm right about anything. We have gone
this entire episode and not talked about the Adrians.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Oh god, yes we have. And my god, if that
flip didn't steal the fucking show out of a show
of shows.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yeah, that was some power in your ship that was
down though.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I don't I'm not even sure the power Interests had
that ship in him. That was some power interest three
point oh flipping.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I was upset
that you know, our piece a sorry, our our Vigilani
killed Aggie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
But uh and he does get to defend himself as
they're walking away, and and yeah, seeing his that God damn.
Everyone in that scene is killing it peace Maker the
entire time. But yeah, they give they give Vigilania scene
in the back. He had Economous tied up like he
had due calls kind of not due calls for like
a Julius Caesar amount of stabs m m. But he
(01:01:10):
got He stabbed him. He stabbed him so many times,
like I'm surprised the head was still attached.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Yeah, that was God, that was so rough to watch.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
It was h so we all watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I don't know what's about to happen because Gun is
talking about he doesn't know if there's gonna be a
peacemaker season three.
Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
We don't. We don't. So important note for all viewers,
would I would do my suggest what I'm gonna do
is take this one for the last, Like, go into
this episode assuming that this might be the last piecemaker
and relationship for what it might be, because it really
it might be mm hmm. And I don't know what
he means by that. It's not like he I mean
he if the numbers aren't there, then he can he
(01:01:48):
would have to make that decision. I think the numbers
probably are there if he wants to keep it, may
not be enough for it to be there to continue it.
The show may be doing enough that it may be
in that area where he kind of can't keep it
a TV show because the it's not gonna work anymore.
That way, a lot of good reasons this could go.
Don't fall for all the James Gunn saying, I'm I
haven't even seen these headlines yet, but I'm just anticipating.
(01:02:10):
Of course, it's gonna be a lot of headlines that
say gun admits that Peacemaker three is not gonna happen
because the whole thing's have fucking failure and that's that's
botrol and bullshit. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
No, No, he's he has plans for these characters. Yeah,
like if anything has said and again.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
DV the Eleventh Street cuts up because it's paying all
eleven is gonna be rough.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And also if you listen to the piece to the
Peacemaker official podcast for this episode, they're literally talking about like,
uh yeah, it's gonna be a while but I'd love
to have an Eaglely special like they're actually talking about,
like how great it would be to like go back
and show certain things with Eagley and how he met Chris.
(01:02:51):
And by the way, he knows where Chris's mom is.
Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, yeah, and he's sure he's know exactly where she is.
I don't want to say a thing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I had.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
A person in mind to cast this season, didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Shit, Yeah, this is not gonna be the This is
not the end. But at the same time, like he
has been weird about like whether or not this will be,
there'll be another Peacemaker season. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I think if anything, what we're talking about because the
momentums there, this is doing well. I mean, even by
the conspiracy theory bullshit of internet streaming numbers, this is
doing just fine. There's nothing about it that would have
to end. And on top of that, the guy who
enjoys it the most and is cutting the paychecks actually
I mean like he he wouldn't. It wouldn't be a
(01:03:40):
good strategy at this point to start taking hits on
anything and just making it because you want to make it.
But he could m hm. And you know, I don't
know if anyone, like, no one would maybe stop him
unless the merger happens and then somebody pulls some shit,
but we'll.
Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
See, hm.
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
But like, yeah, they're gonna have to go into contracts
that already exists, and yeah, it's gonna be hard to that.
There's a lot of stuff like that. That's a very
distracting topic to think about.
Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
That it is. I'm terrified just thinking about it. Like
I'm gonna call it man, Like, if if that merger
happens and Fox up guns plan, I'm not saying we're
ending this podcast. I'm just saying it'll probably be called
something different and we won't be talking about DC any
It'll be on this channel. It'll be me and you
(01:04:27):
fucking around of talking like we always do. We might
not just be we just might not focus on DC
comics anymore. We're doing ghosts great, Like Nope, we've been
through three fucking universes.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
That would that would be uh, Like, it's one thing
to go from a universe coming and going. We watched
a universe kind of come and go organically though, Uh well,
I mean you can argue about its ins and outs,
but like we watched it come and go in in
real time over a decade and this one though, I
could watch it come and go over you know, a
part of my lifetime. If if that's how nature takes
(01:05:03):
its course.
Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
But uh, if this nature takes this course.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But like if if if there's just a regime change
here and it just gets scuttled and got it in
a way, that'll be a little disheartening. I don't know.
I don't know how much of that I can really
like carry the moment I'm forward on. We'll have to
see what projects are going to be still available at
that time or like what what what got bounced down?
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
See, Yeah, at the time, I'm very much into this.
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Idea absolutely, and I'm so invested in this in this
universe and what Gun's doing, and I'm so excited about it.
If everything got scuttled and everything, like, oh my god,
that would be devastating.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Really would I mean, that would be Weirdly with some
of the most devastating news I've as far as like
being a fan in this in this space we're talking
about is like the day that we found out that
Cavil really wasn't coming back after all.
Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, was rough As far.
Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
As like my fan feelings go, that was a really
hard blow, uh, because you've been in limbo forever. And
then it was a win and then just a few
weeks later, no, and then we found out later about oh, well,
here's how some things happened. And you know, basically some
people that Wonder Brothers were talking way out of turn
and got everyone excited.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Should know, mm hmm. But they were trying to announce
it and force their hand make something happen that they
didn't really, and fucking zas Love and Gun, we're just like,
oh no, yeah, but wait, but we announced it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah, that's not a problem for us. You made one
hard meeting for a few people. That's about it. But yeah,
it would it'd be rough to see it come and
go like artificially. And I don't I don't mind watching
it come and go to see if like how it
actually goes, how it actually goes.
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I guess, yeah, I don't think it'll be scuttled.
Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, I think there's there's it's it's part of what
you're buying right now. It's making money and it's doing fine,
and there's plenty of stuff going that it would be
too much of a waste to too much pot committal
to just bail on. Like plus, like there are there
are contracts, and I don't know where we are in
his four years, but you know, there was a he's
got stuff built in that he can extend with. I
(01:07:07):
don't know what the fuck that's going to do with him,
but like, it's not like four years and we're out
and we're just gonna see what happens. Yeah, it's not
gonna be all that cut and dry in all likelihood.
Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I could see because it's
Warner Brothers, I could see them doing something stupid.
Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Oh entirely possible.
Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, and because this paramount possibly buying them, Yeah, I
could really see them.
Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Doing No, there's a one hundred percent a chance. I
don't know what percent it really is, but there is
a real chance that in a year, well, like you said,
maybe under a different podcast of every name that we
sitting here talking about, how well, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
We'll still talk about it like it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Was going a certain way. But woo, it did not.
I can't roll that out, much as that would be nice.
One last thing in terms of coming up, you catch
the old trailer for the next one. Yeah, So, as
he announced on wherever he's announcing things. Now I see
him on Threads.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Yeah, he's actually he.
Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Used he referenced Threads in like the Hollywood Reporter article
or something the other day, So I think he's starting
to think of that as his go to space for
announcing piecepacker stuff. Although he's right like, over there, that
community is pretty lively. So there, though, it was where
he said like, no, no, the next one's fifty seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yes, yes, this one is uh yeah, this one was
what thirty three?
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Yeah, thirty three, And I'm I got mad when I
saw the thirty three, Like I had feelings about that.
Jesus fucking like, how are we going to make this?
How are we going to get everything I want to
see in here in thirty three minutes? And then they
still manage to get a fuck ton of the stuff
I want to see and in thirty three minutes mm hmm.
But even then, you're like, God, even if we do
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another thirty minute episode, like I don't know how to
get all the stuff I want to pay off in here?
And then yeah, an hour, I've got a much bigger
shot of that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, fifty seven more than fifty seven minutes. That is exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
It is, it is, and we're gonna crawl through a
bunch of universes here. We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Yeah, I have.
Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I have laid out publicly a side bet that that
weird little spider skull is David corn Sweat.
Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Mm hmm. Why would it be David.
Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I don't know. It just thought it was like I
wasn't paying attention to the screen. I heard it scream
and I went, that's fucking David corn Sweat. And then
I went back and.
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Think he just wanted to be a part of Peacemaker,
and Gun was like, all right, you could be a
screaming skull spider maybe.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
A little I mean, it would be a funny easter egge.
But even then it wouldn't work that way. It's not
just I mean, unless he screamed while I know they're
being filmed, you know, a few hundred yards from each other.
But it's not like the the eight R booths there.
They probably did that somewhere else, probably in La like well, yeah,
so it's not like that could have gone that way.
At the same time, kind of could have. They do
have mics and he could just go yell. But I
(01:09:57):
actually did. This is a really dumb guess that I
put a few minutes in two. I understand that I'm
already wrong about this, don't worry, But like I really was, like, no,
that it really does sound like it enough that I
went back and found in you know the shot in
the film where he pops his not Superman's finger when
he breaks Ultraman's hand a little bit. Okay, there's a
(01:10:17):
did did in that last fight right after he's been
unmasked and Ultraman's it's the two corn sweats faces. There's
one spot where he like pulls his thumb back and
breaks his thumb and the Ultraman Uh. Anyway, Ultraman scream
still just like a proper ah. I went, I wouldn't
listen to that, wouldn't listen side by side. I know
(01:10:39):
that could also just be two dudes screaming, but it.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Kind of sounds like if I be man, it might
be thrown it out there?
Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
I mean, I have faith in you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I don't. I don't think I do on this one,
but but I have been right about weirdness like this before,
and no, you.
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Know, oh, come on, man, why not believe in yourself?
Believe in yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
It would be a funny at hell to the least, dragon,
I would do it if everything.
Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, I'm I'm excited because Gun is talking about how
this is this one of the favorite, one of his
favorite things he's done this eighth episode coming up. Yeah, yeah,
it was crazy and never seen anything like this, just
really building it up.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, and we're gonna get to explore.
Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You don't fucking build it up. God, it's all be
sitting there going that was it. It's just showed me
some spiderfuckers and I saw like a mushroom. That's all that.
That's not a real thing. Yeah, you just showed me
some pretty places. I see that ship on Strange two worlds.
I don't need that.
Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
True, true, I did. Like he does a long speech
on the on that cast about how he a lot
of times when you go to another you know, universe,
it's everything's different and like there's one thing that's the same,
and he wanted to do a version here where everything's
the same and there's just the one thing different, which
is weird because if you have any kind of like
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like if there's any kind of like statistical sense in you,
you feel like that's complete bullshit. It would just be
all different. It wouldn't be everything except this Chris. I
can just replace him and no one will notice.
Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
You know. Well, if you go about the theory though,
that probability was if anything, if everything that's possible is
one hundred percent probable in within a multiverse, then yeah,
everything's gonna be exactly the same, except for the Nazis
won the war. Yeah, so like yeah, they've probably had uh,
you know, people of color in camps, you know, making
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peanut butter and making fucking Pokemon and all this stuff
that like I'm seeing people online be like, well, wait
about it, Like the Nazis were allied with Japan, so
these probably still have Pokemon, fuck you? Yeah? I mean yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
And also it doesn't mean you don't have Somebody asks
about like, would that mean there's like no products that
we're ever created by you know, any poc. No, Like,
it's just that those people have absolutely no rights to
their own lives anymore. That could still probably invent it.
We're just gonna take the credit immediately. Is is that
that's probably how that works over in that system, Like right,
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it's it's a it's a tried and true system and
uh and me and me real life forms.
Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Mm hmm. So yeah, I mean, but yeah, within within
the world line theory, everything is one hundred percent uh
probable within given an infinite scape. Yeah, you can find
our scope.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
So you can find the right interaction anywhere. The only
part of you that's going to be statistically just thrown
by it is that there are a hundred doors in
that room.
Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
And the idea of one of those hundred doors I
think I've gonne to this already. The idea of one
of those hundred doors being that particular universe is stupidly
low odds just impossible.
Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Odds mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Even that those three would have the same family where
impossible odds that it would bear it that would come
into the one hundred Hey, weird side asked last question.
I guess maybe you think we'll get any more info
on that dude that's been taken out his little rat
pests all season. I don't think they're gonna leave there.
Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I here. My guess is we're gonna leave rat dude
up to nothing, like he's just gonna be like a
guy who was there right. Although it looks like Argus
is actively exploring this place. Well, so that would be
I hope we see him again. That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I think we will probably see him, you know, Honestly,
this is like five months later and he seems pretty chill.
I think we're gonna find he's pretty much embedded with
the Argust people at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Maybe. I don't think we'll see Keith again this season.
Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
No, No, I don't think so. I think he was
meant to die in that episode and is probably not
in like whatever was built into eight stays there. If
we see him again, it'll be in a big role.
Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
And Keith did not die, by the way, I saw
a lot of people asking if Keith was dead. I
don't know how you got that.
Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Absolutely not still breathing.
Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
The last time he's Yeah, the last time we see him,
he's like in an ambulance. He's got tubes in his
nose and he is gritting his teeth and looking like
he is in rage.
Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Ye, he's actively experiencing the emotion. He's a little bit
in shock physically it looks like shaking. But yeah, that
is a man who's surviving his wounds this evening, That's
what I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yeah, And uh, but I think if we get another season,
we'll get him back. But I don't think we're coming
back to him.
Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yet, not, not anything more than a flashback or a reference.
He might have another scene, but it'll be a cutback
to another moment. He won't be in the he won't
be going forward.
Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Yeah, but what do you think is going to happen
in this episode?
Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
In this final light?
Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
I really don't know. Yeah, I mean, like Chris just
wants to be in jail like that. He that was
his final play. He got them all out right, He's
finally got a chance to kind of earn you know,
I guess earned some sense of morality that he thinks
he's deserving of something.
Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
He wants to be punished. He wants to be away
from everyone so he can't hurt any wanted again.
Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Yeah, I mean, he's just trying to balance his fucking score.
And that we didn't say anything about like the best
line really or the maiden. It's the point of this
season was that line while he's losing his ship, it's
not it's not your universe, it's not my universe. It's me.
Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
The whole point of this season has been that line,
and it was rough and he did god damn good
job with it. But it's a it's a great lesson.
It's it's gonna leame Christ in a weird place, like
in the in the trailer coming up, he's you know,
I don't want to see him. Why because I'm the
fucking angel of death or whatever. He just wants these
people to leave and let him right in a cell,
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because that's the least harm he can do. And maybe
maybe he could feel good about himself if he doesn't
do anymore. But they're not gonna let him.
Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
I just don't know what is it in this, Like,
what is it in five months later? That ever?
Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
That ever?
Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
What motivations are still there? Like Rick Flagg's still looking
for what exactly?
Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Oh wait, does it jump ahead five months?
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
I think it does? Maybe? I okay, I think it does. Yeah.
I want to say it's in the trailer that it
says five months later.
Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Okay, well I didn't you see that.
Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
If I'm getting that wrong, I'm gonna be close. Ish
he's got he's like he's in jel A ready and
his wounds are healed and they've set up camp like
some time has past. Okay, Yeah, I don't know what
exactly Rick's looking for, Like I don't. He's just sort
of going fishing in all the portals, right.
Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's looking for uh Rick Jr.
A version of Rick Jr.
Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Maybe I don't know, he's his only he's looking for something.
Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
He might not be looking for anything. He might just
be It might just be like a standard like okay,
well we wrap this up, but now the government was
know what the fuck is up?
Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I explore all the holes?
Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Yeah, yeah, what you would too.
Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Of course? Kidding me, God, I would do him personally.
I'd be in the first I'd be the first one
in the red suit, are you yeah, right, your red
suit number one.
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I would at least, at the very least put on
the suit and stand outside the door and be like
I'm looking. Yeah, yeah, I'm just looking.
Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
I'm not saying I'm going to barge into the door.
But you're not going to be able to keep me
out of going into a bunch of portals for the universes,
especially if you told me it's not going to like
rip me Sell from Sell the moment I enter it. Yeah,
I don't want to become a particle better than that.
Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I think i'll be. I'm happy to run in there right.
Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah, I don't. I genuinely don't know how to predict
it because I don't know what our motivations are. All
I know is the eleven Street kids are gonna want
him out and want him back. I'm glad that there's
more about what they're happy about, I know. I like,
I'm glad that, you know, Hardcore and him have said
some stuff out loud, or at least, you know, with
their body set it out loud.
Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
But I don't really know what the artist set up
with their bodies on the boat. On the boat, which
Gun says, we're going to get that flashback scene.
Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
We do get the boat scene, which he did say
that was his favorite scene of all the ones so far,
which he's had a favorite scene of all the ones
so far, I think every episode. He's a very enthusiastic guy.
Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Oh no, I'm very interested to see it though. Yeah, sorry,
I'm getting sleepy. We probably need to all right, Well,
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So I'm about to put up a warm up we
did from last week. We're we just talking about Mike
Judge cartoons. But it was a fun five or six
minutes and yeah, dude, I'm I'm super sleepy, So thank
you for listening. And until next time when we'll be
talking about a freaking season finale, maybe series finale. Who
(01:20:29):
knows of Peacemaker, keep some DC on your screen.
Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I'm gonna treat this like it's the final DC on
my screen for this show, and just just it'll be
it'll be better for me emotionally.
Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, but we also know that we're gonna see these
characters again. We'll be back. Yeah, we'll be back anyway.
Something will happen, of course. Byke