Peacemaker 2x08 - "Full Nelson" Review - DC on SCREEN | DC Studios News/Review

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome into DC on Screen today. We are talking all
about the Peacemaker finale maybe season maybe series probably series
uh two eight full Nelson And I gotta tell you,
I really thought we were or I hoped we were
past our Sissphis era. But I guess we can start

(00:25):
pushing that fucking boulder back up the up the.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hill, which which one.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Uh the please stop acting like this is a terrible thing.
You guys are assholes.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Uh oh, yeah, there's a little bit of that going around.
I mean, it's it's a it's a mixed bag for well,
let's say that like me and you were talking earlier
about like my feet is just fucking rainbows and sunshine. Man. Yeah,
I mean I I The worst I've had is a
couple of shitty headlines from Lazy Riders pop across my radar,
with headlines that aren't even like hit pieces. They're just

(01:00):
like what if gun says, maybe not about season three?
Hold on, now, I've had it's been shiny out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, the headlines are not doing any favors. I've seen
a lot of those headlines myself, but yeah, I've seen
a lot of people pitching in moaning like I was shocked.
I really was like the we're what. We watched this thing,
and we watched My wife looked at me, she goes, dude,
TV time is tearing this thing apart. It's like, really,
hell yeah, I gotta say I loved it. I loved it.

(01:33):
I thought it was fantastic. It was good, and I
mean it was a character piece. I I wasn't expecting
a whole lot more than that. I hate. But I've
been listening to what Gun is saying, and that's the
funny thing is, like a lot of these the naysayers
are saying, gun lied, gun lied, gun lied. He didn't.
We'll get into that later, actually, because I've got I've

(01:53):
got proof that he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
No, the receipts are there. Verty much. He laid out
exactly what was going to happen. I think at some
point he even implied that we had already seen the
biggest cameo.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Oh he did say that, Yeah, yeah, he did say that.
After the quotes that I even have, he said, you know,
there was a big one coming near the end, and
that one's lex And then he said a bunch of
big stars from the DCU are going to be there
are still to be seen. Look Happerson, Otis McCoy, Jessup,

(02:28):
Secretary of Defense, General Morty. These are all like big people.
They came from a big ass movie and they're going
to be in a TV show. Those are big stars.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, And you know, let's not maybe
we should stop for the continuity. It felt like at
least there were moments in this episode that feel very
much out of place for the episode only because it
felt like I was just kind of continuing a scene
from the movie. Like there were just parts of this

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like a lot of the scenes with those two in particular,
the Defense were like in particular, that was just continuing
the conversation from the movie so thoroughly that I was
like I was in the dc universe for a minute,
not so much the episode of peace Maker. Yeah I
get Yeah, I mean that is a compliment, it really.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
No, those are nice DCU through lines.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
But it's not a disappointment for that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, it's not a disappointment to me for sure.
If you know, you thought that they weren't gonna tie
in anything from the DCU, I don't know what to
tell you. James Gunn said that this wasn't gonna be integral.
It's fucking not.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, I mean he said, he said, it isn't isn't
like he's he's done that thing where he says on
one interview one thing to the other, it's both, but
it's not.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's both but it's not. And that's how it's gonna
have to be for things like this. It's just how
it's gonna have to be.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I mean, he said it's not gonna be. But he
also said, like the reason I'm gonna, you know, we're
gonna drop Superman so early is because it's so integral
to watch that before pace Maker, Like these things are
in line and they matter. But he's also making it
a point to recap early on so you can catch
on there. I think that's hard to say all at once.

(04:12):
So he just says like, yeah, I don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, there's I think there's a there is a very real,
definitive answer that no, you do not have to watch Peacemaker.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
But like wherever we see this happening, like I don't
know what Man and Tomorrow's got going on. For instance,
let's say that this storyline gets picked up there. What
will happen is in that film there will be a
few lines of exposition to explain an entire fucking season
or two is worth a Peacemaker to you real quick,
uh huh, or what the relevant pieces are, and then
we'll move on, because that's what good storytelling is. And

(04:43):
he's he's adept enough to do that. Yeah, be any
freaking out about it. It's it's just weird.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I am you know what. I'm not even sad if
this is the final episode of Peacemaker. I if because
we got the arc. We've got the arc of all
the Eleventh Street kids. We don't need more.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, I'll be sad in the sense that it was
a good time and I'd like to see I'd like
to go spend another you know, six or whatever hours
this amounts to in that world, anytime you ask me to.
But I'm not gonna feel cheated.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, we asked for one season about Peacemaker. One seas
about Chris Smith too.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, and we got the whole arc with him where
he's coming off of he's just killed Rick Flagg Junior.
He does not feel worthy of love. He wants to
be a superhero, he wants to be heralded as a hero.
Now he has discovered that it doesn't matter if he's
a hero if you know, it's sort of the wrong reasons. Yeah,

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he found the truth of existence is being loved and
returning that. We end the show with everyone in a
good place, except for the fact that what would normally
be an after credit stinger is presented here as just
one final foreboding situation. But it did fit. Did did

(06:05):
do what we wanted it too. As far as wrapping
up a character's arc, Rick Flagg is one villain now.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, he's a bad guy. He's even posting from the
gym ass such Yeah, did you catch that video earlier
at all?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah? I did.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
He's enjoying himself, I think, in his in his new
role here.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah. And it's not like, you know, it's funny, like
people are literally posting pictures of Flag from Creature Commando's
mm hmm and so and alongside pictures of him and
Peacemaker and saying these are completely different characters, like they

(06:47):
this guy he was like he worked with meta humans.
He was a friend to the meta human And I'm like, motherfucker,
did you not watch Creature Commandos? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
A lot of this has not worked out for him.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like and someone on threads, John Roy comic said something
I absolutely agreed with. He said he led the team
and then halfway through was manipulated by the Princes, never
figured that out, got his back broken by a meta,
and now has Luthor manipulating his impulsive, grieving, emotional, gulible mind.
He is horny and arrogant and full of rage. He's

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only the leader of the Commandos for a few episodes
before he and psychopath Frankenstein are trying to stop them,
And I was like this, he was a sack of
shit and Creature Commandos. I don't know what the disconnect
is for people. Why did you guys not see that
arc forming in Creature Commandos? Like he is very, very

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fucking pliable. Yeah, And one of my favorite conversations I
got to have here was with someone on threads the
cooing Dough or the cooing do says, got to wonder
what they were actually corresponding about, because Flag was excited
the whole way through, not just when they found Paradise.

(08:05):
Very sinister watching him turn also back pain as a motherfucker, though,
I said, look, I personally think there's plenty of evidence
that Rick is a selfish piece of shit in Creature Commandos.
But yes, as someone with chronic horrible back pain, it
do be like that, y'all, as a life changing thing.

(08:29):
Some days you're just the villain. Yeah, but yeah, I
mean I thought he did a great job. I enjoyed
watching his turn here in or his further furtherance of
a turn and peacemaker. Also, you know, he didn't know
who he didn't know who killed his son at the

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beginning of Creature Commandos either.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, No, we've watched him learn that this season. Really,
I mean we watched him get a place of power
just so he could ask for that five uh huh.
I mean he was kind of taking it because the
vacuum was there and while are you know all that
imploded you on and off screen, but like it, he
really just wanted that job so it could get the
fuck over whoever it was that fucked him. I mean,

(09:14):
this has just been about ruins the entire time, but
all the pieces have been there. It's just been a
little bit hard to watch because you want to root
for him. We gave him a good backstory and we
saw him go through some shit.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Phil for him.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
It's it's hard to watch him if maybe it feels quick,
if we're still too invested in him being a good guy.
But honestly, the writing has been there, like you said,
like yeah, and then once you do a coke montage
that was a lot of fun. That that's gonna put
a nail in it, man.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I mean yeah, when you're when I'm watching people, Yeah,
I'm watching people. You know, God, it's such okay, so
fucking the horror and sadness of Flurry and Harcourt as
they're watching their their teammates getting killed off in these universes.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I love this. He was just opening the door in
the background on my screen when you said that, Yeah,
to the Candy Cane verse.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, the universe. Yeah. And I saw someone talking about
like how Flag just did such a such a complete
heel turn. They likened it to Anakin and episode three
about like all of a sudden, He's like, I'm confused,
I'm killing young Wings and these are like, yeah, him

(10:32):
just celebrating all these people dying. He wasn't celebrating the
people dying. He was indifferent to it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
The I mean, I guess they're about to show it
to me to so I can get another take on it.
But my my viewing of that interpretation was that like
he's I thought I saw glimpses of some something that
resembled remorse in the acting. I mean, there he's kind
of just trying to not think about it too hard.
It seems like he's got a goal. He's trying to
get there, he sees it, but he's not trying to

(11:02):
focus on the bad parts here. He's just trying to
plow through to his you know, revenge, your goals.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
And they're excited about other shit too. Like that. That
is the real thing. I mean, we got in the
and one of the montages, we got the the lex
note that says Rick looks promising, can't wait to see
what's next, and it's uh, Judo Master hanging in front
of that fucking black hole. Yeah, yeah, it ain't. It
ain't just looking for that one or that one world.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
No, he's gathering info on every last one of.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
These things, everything he can.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I think he's gonna go cherry pick the multiverse for
for toys to fuck over. He's gonna go back to
villainy at you know, truly luth or.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Rates mm hmm so yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Hey, maybe that's Act three of Man of Tomorrow, though,
is you know we're gonna think he's a good guy
for a while.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah maybe, I don't know. I mean I won't I'm
always looking at that motherfucker to turn. I don't blame you.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
And as I've seen some other people point out, it
doesn't matter what they do in Man of Tomorrow, it
is gonna be hard to forgive that fucking shooting.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
He killed that one guy. He proved the you know,
the was it a half misused stalling quote about the
single person death of a single person is a strategy
kind of thing?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
But yeah, it's gonna be hard to forget.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yep, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah it is true though, like he probably I
don't know how many people he must have killed during
a splitting all those buildings in half. We're like, I'm
not as worried about them.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, all right, let's let's talk about Let's go back
a little bit and go and talk about the night
of the boat. Okay, First of all, Big Belly Burger,
uh kind of shocked that that establishment would serve alcohol,
But I'm you know what, I'm here for it. You know,
I I guess some of the coastal towns might have

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more of a a bar scene, more of a fud
Ruckers maybe, well, as.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I pointed out somewhere, Yeah, maybe you could do a
David Buster's kind of situation. I don't know. Yeah, I've
I've worked in like how I worked in like a
Jason's Deli reser. You could do beerd wine is different.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, that was that was shots. Yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
It was odd, but I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I'm all right with it. I'm all right with it.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I don't want to throw everything out over the over
the misplaced alcohol license.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
No, you know what, Like, man, I've been in joints
like that. I've just never thought of Big Belly Burger
as that kind of joint. Yeah, but it's okay. I
thought I was thinking of it as a water Burger
kind of place, and it turned out it was more
of a or at least in the DCU, it's it's
more of a what's that damn place? I want to
say Mogo Burger, but it's not that's.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
That's There might be one on that Yeah, uh, what
is that.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Place that we? Oh? I don't go to it anymore
some burger place that we have somewhere here.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I don't know, you's to the point me in the
direction of the story of it.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
But they still they have a bar, that's it. Yeah,
it is built as a burger uh you know a
burger place.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah. The other cracks me up, was I was that's
one of those funny bits of like suspension disblief that'll
catch you off guard occasionally. And then you know, the
waitress taking shots with him for a second. Okay, all right, fine,
y'all get kicked out of this big Belly Burger there, like.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Nah, he's a regular, it seems it.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Would you ever ever watched like I seen this one
does a good job of it occasionally, like in a
like early on for instance. Uh, they're they're all drinking
on the rooftop, but everybody's in on it, so it
feels like a party. This the staging here. They kind
of feel like the assholes a Big Belly Burger they do.
They're just they're being too much. Y'all need to get
out and let these people enjoy their evenings.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, everyone seems mad.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, like, okay, you're not being like a dick, you're
I know, you're being charming and having a good night,
but damn you're big in loud dude.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Mm hm. Oh yeah, I would have hated that ship
if I was anybody else in there.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, it does lead to some greatness on the porch.
That that conversation where she talked he talks Hartcore out
of kicking that guy's ass. Yeah, that old school Kla
Canine looking motherfucker. Mm hmmm, proud of his freckles.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I don't remember what he I don't remember what he said.
He was like, damn baby ship, Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
It was I didn't catch it either when he said
it then it was it was rough.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I did.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
My favorite part of that is where she is, what
are you protecting? I'm protecting him. Yeah, you were to
hospitalize that man.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And by god, his mother taught him to be proud
of his to be proud of his.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
That's such a hilariously gun kind of turned in a
conversation to throw in there.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
You know what I felt like, it was very a
very Bill Murray thing.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Oh yeah, a little, I could say it.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
That felt very old school Bill Murray to me.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Look, man, I don't I don't know the band Nelson.
My wife did the name before.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I didn't hate it. It served as purpose. I'm glad
they got I'm glad he got the band there.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know, I do want to I should watch that again.
I can't remember if it's for I think it was
for Nelson. He said that on one of them, him
and the rest of the crew in the background dancing.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Either that or Fox, he should say. And they were
filmed on the same night.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, one of these two, you know, one of those
two performances. Yeah, they were there in the background, maybe
at the bar. You can see presumably a little whitehead
bopping around.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
It. I was so that is that.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That was one of the things when he talked about
so so gushingly. I pulled that word up because he's
because Adrian's sitting in front of a box of gushers
in the scene.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Uh huh, of course, of course, so when he's as
one does spot.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, so he's got a killer a little like afternoon
video games. Next situation going on, mm hmm, yeah. Yeah,
but he gun talked so lovingly about this, like, oh
the boat scene, man, I enjoyed it so much. Yeah,
I'm sure he did. And it made for it made
for a fine scene. Some people said it went on
too long. I find probably did a little bit, but

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like whatever, it like, I think you could have done
that scene in less time, but you don't have to.
It went on for a perfectly fine amount of time.
So like and like, I get why it was so
much fun. It's also it wasn't like it was just
People also talked about it like the there was a
little bit of like a you know, this was just
a waste of my time kind of I know, it wasn't.

(17:40):
It's there to make a big, magical moment that you like,
you need the band, you need the pomp and circumstance.
This is a prom night situation. Man.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah. Can you imagine watching Back to the Future and
seeing Marty play Johnny B. Good on that fucking stage.
I just sit there and go like, such a fucking
waste of time. Get to the point, y'all need to
fucking learn how to chill the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
All right, So imagine how short, how short would a
film like The Wedding Singer be if we just took
out the parts where we're like, we get the joke
is that you're singing, got it? Okay? Yeah, but we
got a thirty five minute film now.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But also these are people who are like ugh jokes point.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
To some extent. Yeah, I mean I do get it,
though it's it's a hard sell, especially to put an
aging rock band in there and we kind of make
like your own little private music video.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, what is this a fucking musical? What is this
a fucking comedy? It thought it was a comic book show?
What was this a fun Why are they talking and crying?
What was this a fucking soap opera?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, it's it's all there. It's called an experience. And
what you do is you sit through these things and
in real time you experience them. I promise at the
end of it, what you'll do is you'll learn things
about yourself, about others. Maybe you'll think about how that
affected your life. Flater, I don't know, you might even
dream that's possible. Yeah, right, but these are experiences that

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one has.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's great. Yeah, I'm gonna check out some more Nelson.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I won't, I will.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'd liked it enough, you know, I piqued my curiosity.
Now well, I listen to every album, No.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, and feel free to send me the highlights. I'll
try them out. I'm just probably not gonna Yeah, I'm
not gonna like that. That's not gonna make it to
a playlist for me. It's not a vibe I I
go for a.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Lot me either. But you know, I'm closer to being
a Foxy Shazam fan than I am a Nelson fan
at this point. I would think easily one of the
things I've been cracking up over is since last night.

(19:52):
It is just the amount of like alpha dude bros
just furious over what they perceive as James Gunn trying
to force Slee's rock on them. Like I've seen so
many dudes like be like, there's never gonna be a thing.
Gardens will stop trying to force the shit on everybody.

(20:13):
I mean, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
So here's the thing, here's the thing. I don't disagree
that that's what's happening. It might be what's happening, and
I think it would be crazy to call it anything else.
He's absolutely picking a genre that he damn well knows
is a subgenre, a weird one of that, and saying
I'm gonna do this thing and no one can stop me.

(20:37):
One hundred percent. That's what happened. But this is his
show and you're gonna go listen to music man. Like,
to be fair, it's not like he's trying to make
it over a great He's trying to find stuff that
really does fit the moment in the show. Like, I'm
not gonna go back and listen to this soundtrack, but
I thought it did great in the moment in the show.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well, you know, yes, But it's also not like he's
doing it in everything. He's doing it in Peacemaker, and
that is very much a specific Chris Smith thing. Like
they even talked about it, had ads talking about like, yeah,
I know his shit is cheesy, but like it's got
a lot of heart and fucking like it's like a
lot like him. You like, you exactly give it a
chance and suddenly you find something there that you didn't

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think you would.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, and like, look again, he's working that endo the story.
It's a theme. He's using sleeves rock in general as
a metaphor for the character that we're all playing with.
That's why that works. If that wasn't the case, I
would absolutely be like, that's a weird, cheap shot, Why
are you wasting my time? Yes, that would be weird.
If you're not actually paying attention. You use the word

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media literacy. When we were talking earlier, Yes, I did.
I think now would be a good time.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yes, I think, and I you know, to be clear,
I was talking about specifically, people who don't seem to understand, uh,
wrapping up character arcs. They think a finale is supposed
to be we get a bunch of cameos and we
get a big action sequence, and then everyone ends on

(22:05):
a happy note. Fuck you. They're like, oh, well, this
doesn't and specifically also that there were people who were saying,
like this doesn't make any sense, like why would they
give them a happy ending and then take Chris Smith
and put him in salvation away from all of his
people right after he comes back, right after he's happy,
It's like you didn't even It's like you took away

(22:28):
everything that happened before. You didn't take away everything that
happened before. Everything fucking came to a head. Everything came
to a point, everything was good, Those characters grew, they changed,
they found their way.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well that's a good point. Then thinking of it as
like a straightaway meter, and it got to one hundred percent,
it came back to sixty it's not like that. It's
a real growth mark. Real actual growth involves more of
a Fibonacci sick was kind of thing like, we're gonna
go out, come back a couple steps, go back out again,
come back a little bit like.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And when Chris comes back, we're not He's not going
to come back. And then Hardcourt's going to be like, well,
I don't know you killed Rick Fleck.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
No, yeah, like again, Yeah, two major points of media
literacy there to Yeah, one that like this all mattered,
it all went somewhere, and the fact that it got
taken away, Yes, that means more now, yeah, subtracted at
But also if you were watching them be that happy

(23:25):
at the end of this and play the opening theme
song and all the smile, if you were watching all
of that and your heart wasn't thumping because you didn't
think one of them was about to be shot in front,
Oh my god, a fucking idiot. I don't know what
to tell you. Yeah, like, and bear in mind, like
if you're just watching thinking like, oh, it might wrap
up because it's the end of the episode. That's one thing.
I mean, if you literally, if you knew that he

(23:47):
had twenty minutes of screen time left or eighteen or
whatever it is. Uh, huh, you can't. We can't extend
that scene for twenty more minute. Yeah, it'd be the
most boring finale I've ever seen him alive.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, no, I'm I mean, you know, I'm glad he
was just exile.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I thought someone, I thought a body was gonna drop
right in front of me, that the music was gonna
get cut off halfway through and we were gonna, you know,
watch Juno Master get shot in the header but sniped
or something.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I don't know, Like, have you ever seen a TV
show or a movie like things were good? Things never
stay good, not when there's that much time on the clock.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean this. You can't walk out in
the third quarter of an actual TV show. That's that's
a poor idea.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah. Yeah, I know it's blasphemy on this podcast. Now
to mention Joss Whedon, But my god, if you ever
watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, he's an asshole, but he knew his story beats. No.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Oh no, things are too good. Things are too good.
Terr's about to be shot. Something is about to be
fucked up.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's probably where my body learned this kind of timing
where I was like, gun, what are you about to
do to me? This is too hard? Like seriously, every
moment of happiness in that scene made me more anxious,
like I'm trying to enjoy it, and don't you're wrong
for a big and for me. I laughed out loud
in my basement alone when Eaglely reached a hand out
for John.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
That that brought me so much out loud, laughing joy.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I was that.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I was so happy. I was again in the middle
of all the nervousness I'm feeling. I was that that
broke through.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I did not feel happiness when I saw that.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I felt sadness because I knew even furthermore that now
Eaglely had found he was putting that there so that
Eaglely knew that he had a home.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Oh you were reading the next part.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, oh, no, I
understanding Eaglely is happy with John.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Oh, we get it. He's found someone else he can
trust and to be fair. When I thought it, when
I saw that, it made me go back and realize
he's right. Though. Economos was there for this little bird
at every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Mm hmm, like he he goes in.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
That's apparently it looks like his routine when we pick
him up a few months later is open every door,
make sure he make sure Eaglely's okay, get him out
of the close. This is like what he does day
is come home and care for this eagle. Mmm. Seemed
like the eagle. I appreciated that. I liked it.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, poor pressed eagerly.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
God, didn't that break your heart too? It did not
even doing anything, just standing there in the corner quiet.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Good set design, by the way, that like mostly used
bottle of fabuloso sitting on the shelf.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
But yeah, so I did genuinely feel like they sold
me on the magic of Harcourt and Chris at the
Nelson Show. I was relieved that they didn't just drunkenly
have sex.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It was less boring. I thought it was going to
be as boring as that in a way. I mean,
I not even spice it up somehow, But I thought
it might just be as boring as they got that.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
No, it was just so it was so much more
pure than that. It just was so much more like magical,
wholesome purity.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, like it's not a it's a look at the
book end. Actually, now I think about it, the first
real scene with Chris when he breaks out of jail
is he's just chalking some check at a bar and
like singing into radildo later like it is not a
sweet or wholesome thing. That's not the Chris Smith we met, right,
the one here walks back outside after that whole conversation,

(27:20):
and I did love this. He's done a great job
of writing in I mean, giving them the dialogue that's
I mean, they're saying a lot of what I want
him to say is what I'm trying to get it.
Like he kind of comes outside and has that moment
of where he just says, I'm not asking for anything,
just I need to know if it meant anything, Like
there's nothing. That's that's the math we've been working toward
the whole time, Right, Yeah, it was supposed to mean

(27:42):
something that she came. I shouldn't have to prove anything
else to you, Chris. I came, then that fucking means something.
Just come back. I shouldn't have to promise anything. And
then he gets there and he tells her the same thing.
Book end up version of that I'm not asking for anything.
I just want to know the answer to this.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Pure again.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, it's uh, And I'm not in all trying to
like shame or anyone having sex or whatever. What the
fuck ever, Like no, it's just the even gun built
it up that way as well, where it's just like
everyone is basically assuming they fucked on a on a
boat somewhere.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's it's normally gonna happen in this plot.
Nine times out of ten, he did something very interesting, I.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Think, right, they didn't just get drunk and bone. This
was a This was a meeting of souls.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, something happened here, Like it breaks her a little bit.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, just as I feel like it was the intention
that it broke her a bit when she thought she
they were going to die and that's when she finally
let go and like put her head on his shoulder
on that motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, Like seriously, I don't know what the fuck you
are watching. This was beautiful.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's it had there were conclusions, there were like it
it just it's it's wonderfully written. Like everything came to
an end here. Man, it paid off, just didn't end
in a fight. Scene and a cameo.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
They use and by the way, something bad is gonna happen.
There's gonna be a blood curse for that money.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But I know there's gonna be a that he's gonna
be right.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh, he's gonna absolutely be right.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Like everything poss Checkmate in the books is not it's
there's no way they're starting it with this much go
get her optimism and that stays the word checkmate in
DC will doom you too, Gray Area.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I love this. Someone on thread's mad fab wrote,
I love that in Peacemaker everyone gets what they wanted,
but it cost them a lot. Chris wanted to be
away in another dimension to run away from his trauma,
and boy he got his wish twice. AD's got to
be finally despite that she wanted to be, but at

(29:49):
the cost of her life with her wife. Adrian got
new friends but started the blood curse. Uh Rick Flagg
got his revenge, but that cost him his soul, and Amelia
accepted love from others to lose it immediately and she
doesn't even know that he's gone yet. I mean, this
person said, damn, that was a great season. You're not wrong, No,

(30:12):
I think that was great.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I do think the people left out probably are good exceptions,
but it doesn't have that didn't have to be one
hundred percent rules. It's a fine observation for those five.
But like Economos, for instance, I think he's just in.
He's just straight up in a better situation.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
He might be.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Sasha Bordeos probably in a better spot right now. Just
I think she's just overall. That's probably a big win
for her, definitely. I don't know about Judi Master, probably probably
Gudimester too.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I thought I would hope he could.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Pretty much do okay in whatever organization he's in. He
seems to just be capable of killing at will and
with so little regard that he's just a highly sought
asset no matter how and how he's stressed. Clearly.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, but he has a moral center, he does.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
He does seem to have one, which again that's why
I like the previous episode some my I loved the
idea that he just I haven't liked the idea that
maybe if it was a fair fight, maybe if it
was just her in one on one, he might even
might not have even intervened.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I kind of like the idea that he was just like,
just on numbers alone. I can't not that way. Yeah,
if she if she was going out swinging, I'd let
her go out swing and see how I see how
it plays out.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
But yeah, it's really a good dialogue here with John Economos,
when Harcourt is trying to figure out what it is
flag once with whatever this place is, why is he
looking for? This place is uninhabited, and she's given all
these good reasons, and John says, when has anything we've

(31:44):
ever done been for the good of the people.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, just cut to the chase here, you.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Know, cut to the chase. I loath how hateful Adrian
is to his mother.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I know, I was, like, I think the entire audience,
every last drop of us, was glad at Bay who
finally said something.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, dude, like Jesus, but I loved I love ads
being like, I guess I'm just a better friend to Chris.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
So blatantly like they even give her one comedy beat
at the screen for a second to borderline Jim wink
at the camera about what she's about to do.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Mm hmmm, I love it. I love Rick not registering
that Amelia called him Rick.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Mm hmmm. That was a great callback, a.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Great callback, a great indication that he is too.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Far gone now and is no longer paying attention to
or clocking the people around him in their needs whatsoever. Yep,
it is not about that. And more friends going.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Back to ads real quick ads and her wife officially
ending things that that one hurt. I've seen friends go
through that, Yeah, where they just love the fuck out
of the person they're with and it just can't make
it work, you know, Yeah, just can't do it. You know,

(33:09):
someone has a dream that takes them far away and
the other one has a dream that takes them in
another completely. Yeah, it just sucks. I've seen it happen.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, common ones like school, job, you know, that kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
But yeah, yeah, just completely different, uh career paths, you know, yeah,
different callings. It's uh, they played it so well though,
it's so good, Like everything Out of Bea does in
this episode just really got to be.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh, I know, I know, like they're they should hand
out some emies. Not not at all kidding here, Yeah,
I mean a couple of these performances genuinely just need
to hand them something something shiny forgot that.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, and her mean and her speech like when she
pulls that chair up to Chris, She's just like the
little clap. Yeah, you are big and you're dumb and
you're goofy, but I know that you love me.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, And I mean I'm assuming you saw the Peacemaker
podcast with Gun where he was didn't see I heard, Yeah,
he broke down and said that was his that was
him and his dad.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, that one really meant something to him. It
is a it's a rough one. I mean they're genuinely
there's not There isn't a lost ounce of scenery on
this fucking show as far as the acting goes. You
don't often see I mean, god, I mean you see
a lot of shows everyone does their job. You don't
often see so many a show where everyone gets a
chance to shine like they have and then absolutely knocks

(34:33):
it so far out of the park when they got
that mm hmm, like she every time they get her
a close up. She's gotten me this season. I mean,
she made me cry when Adrian was crying a couple
episodes ago, but like I was barely surviving his like
sobs that I could feel in my fucking whatever those
muscles are around her Coumgun, I could feel that sob

(34:56):
and then she she reacted to it, and that broke me,
and like, yeah, what she he's doing this time? Man,
Like it's the the way yeah she stops for like
when I'm around you. Yeah, I mean she's she's breaking him.
He does an amazing job just reacting to it. God. Yeah, everybody,
everybody in that fucking room was just destroying things this year,
and even Jennifer Holland her her stuff. She's had a

(35:17):
couple of scenes where it's really she's really gotten to shine,
like but she's been doing a great job the entire time.
Oh yeah, Like even that little line, just just this one,
the like it meant everything, you fucking asshole, or of
course fucking asshole and meant everything.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just reserved enough. It's just like guarded
enough that I believe.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
It perfect, fucking perfect, perfect, absolutely like it. It could
easily could have gone too far with that line and
it would have been okay mm hmm, but yeah, she
pulled it back like this pristine amount. Like you could
go on and on about how like each scene you
could go in and just go and you know, clamor

(35:56):
about it. It's fucking great.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yep. All right. So as we're closing out the episode,
we got the some of the montage we've already talked about.
I like the little Ultra bunny with his soign obstacles
or opportunities that was on. I had to rig Junior's
shirt and Frankenstein's shirt. It's a nice little through through
line in the DCU.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
If you don't know what Checkmate is in the comics,
it was founded by Amanda Waller. It's a spy agency,
is an offshoot of Task Force X. It changes hands
here and there.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
They are initially used for taking down and imprisoning Metas.
Sasha has been a part of it, as has Maxwell
Lord Salvation, the planet they found comes from the Final
Crisis tie in Salvation run where Flag and Waller used
Checkmate to imprison Metas in Salvation. And it is mostly

(36:50):
a bunch of Flash Rogues and Lex and Joker and
a few others. And then it turns out it's not
as uninhabited as they thought. The planet is a training
ground for paradeem. A lot of people are saying, oh God,
they're going right into New Gods. They should do other
things first. We don't know if that's what gun is
gonna do. Like I say this, I feel like almost

(37:11):
every episode we don't know what they're doing. Like this,
if you look back on shit, we've been going for
ten years, but even further than that, when they adapt
storylines or take stuff from the comics. This is not
ever almost ever is it a one one to one.
It's they always fucking change something. They always take license.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, I mean it's almost considered ghost not.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
To Yeah, if you don't, you're just like, oh, Jesus
just ripped it entirely.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, really, just word for it. You just ripped it
like you don't. That is kind of funny because there
are times where that should be applauded, but it's no
one gives leaves any space for that, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Right, I mean people will be like, God, why can't
they just do it with the comics source accurate? And
then you know, you have something like Snyder's Watchman, which
gets both of those things, whereas like, God, all he
did was just copy the fucking book, and then you
have like the other half of it goes like, oh
he fucked up the ending though.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
That is kind of a crazy spot where like on
his in his camp, like there's one whole whole camp
that's like, you did a great job, it was so faithful,
and then you lost the track at the end, and
then there's another period that's or another sides like the
end is the only spot you.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Did well, Yeah, that's good. Was always dumb.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, I'm of I'm of the opinion that that particular
one he chose, he chose the thing that needed to
be corrected and did so. Look hot, Look it's not
I've done it before, I've said it on here before.
I think, but it's a great film. I think it
was a good I think if you watch, especially the
longer cuts, it feels still goddamn like Hackney almost at

(38:57):
this point to say, watch this longer cut of the
Snyder thing. But yeah, it's real. But like it it
would have been a real fucking hard sell to actually
have the squid on that screen. He made a really
good edit to make that a movie. Like, I think
that was an incredibly wise cut.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, I don't know, it worked for the movie.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
It worked within the story. I don't think it would
have it was it remained entirely accurate or comics that
or a story anyway, kept everything about what he was
trying to tell in the story and use pieces of
the story that would have made sense.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
If you're gonna do it, I think that's a great
fucking example how to do it. But it made him
lose on every fucking side of that war that he was.
He was fighting a two sided war and he didn't
even know it.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, let's see, let's let's talk to see. Well, okay,
first of all, Gone says Peacemaker will be back, and
then he says, as a TV show, we'll see exactly
what form we have. We do have plans, but you
will see all the characters in the future of the
DCU and not too long. So Peacemaker is coming back.

(39:59):
He he has said Peacemaker is integral. He said that
on threads. He said those words, Peacemaker is integral. Mm hmm.
Everyone's coming back. So we're gonna get these characters soon,
not too long. And then further, he has said, you
will definitely see Checkmate carrying through like they're a thing now.
So they're a part of what's going to happen. And

(40:21):
I think they're going to be really, really good at
what they do. So when we see them next, I
think their circumstances will be a little bit different than
the startup that they are now. And this article said,
based on how the Peacemaker season two story wrapped up,
the baton of the Sanctuary storyline being tossed to the
next chapters of the DCU, fans may find that the
plot thread could be touched upon in the upcoming Supergirl movie,

(40:44):
but perhaps more likely in twenty twenty seven Man of
Tomorrow movie and the upcoming HBO series Lanterns. When asked
if Peacemaker any of the other characters would appear in
either of those movies, Gun answered, well, we'll have to see.
That's a secret.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Mm hmm. That sounds like yes, yeah, we'll see more.
We just I don't know about this format that I
I don't. I don't know. There's a few things have
occurred to me, of course, like it hmm. If it
was just gonna be another season, he would you just
said so, So it's not gonna be that simple.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
No, it's not. He's already said that. He doesn't know
if it's ever coming back.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Now, this article keeps calling it sanctuary. Prison is salvation.
It's called salvation sanctuary. This this fucking article is wrong
on that, but they just keep saying sanctuary. I don't
know why, but uh they said, now, Gun, huh, what
did they say in the show?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I was gonna click back while.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You're salvation okay. Gun also made sure to note that
the Salvation prison storyline that readers may know from the
comics is not at all what he is aiming to
do with it in the DCU. In the pages of
DC comics, Salvation storyline saw things like a Joker versus
Lex Luthor fight as villains formed factions. Speaking to that element, specifically,

(41:59):
Gun and said, it is not that he said, it
was really the concept. I really liked the concept. I
like the concept of creating this prison that was absolutely inescapable,
but was also a little rash because they think it's
not dangerous from their initial tests, but you know, in
the comics it is, and in this world obviously there's
hints of it being dangerous. So I also like the
idea of being able to create this other environment where

(42:21):
people that are considered bad meta humans are going to
have to figure out a new way to create a society,
And that was what was always interesting about it for me.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, he'd even there's even a line somewhere in one
of Rick's tiny villain speeches here where he says something
about like who knows, they may even surprise us and
do something m hm, but yeah, it's I don't know
what they're gonna do with that, you know, there's a
part of me for just a second like when that
kind of from the tree line growl or whatever the

(42:54):
fuck that is that he hears.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Okay, you said that, and I all in my head
was from the tree line to the long do you
know that one? From the window to the wall?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Bullshit? You talk about.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Sweat trips off my balls?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Oh god, alry. For a second, I didn't know what
that planet was. I didn't know what the storyline really was.
They were telling me about it for the first time.
I didn't really know about this. So for a second

(43:34):
when I heard whatever sound that was, I was like,
what is the what's that? Fucking Dinosaur Island?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Savage Land and the X Men?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Not an X Men? There's a dc uh dinosaur although
why not? I saw the trailer for the new Marvel
film with the dead leader of Bavaria Brabia on it, so.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Like, yeah, oh, literally, Dinosaur Island, Yeah, okay, yeah, right,
on the nose.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
There got you?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
This is the seventh Land.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I went through a couple of like stupid possibilities, like
I guess Savage Island or whatever the fuck that was
occurred to me. But I did wonder how how much
they made that so early on he describes this as
it takes you to this universe. But then he was
going to design it so that every time he opened
the door, it would go to a new spot. Right,

(44:35):
So yeah, they would never know when to just ambush
somebody at the door, right clever? I mean, good job
in prison design. Was that installed when he just left?
John there or Chris there?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Ah? Maybe? So?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Like, does does he know exactly where he just left? Peacemaker?
Was one of the things I was wrestling with as
we left.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I don't think he cares.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
He doesn't care for sure, But does anyone actually know
the the location? Like it could I get that out
of someone if I sent, say a vigilante after them, right?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
See? I don't know, but I do wonder because they
they insinuated that he still got that tracking chip. Yeah,
but how they found before?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah? Well does it work through?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I don't know. I don't I don't see a reason
why I can't.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Well, early in the episode, one of the technicians says, like, no,
what ended economists that says like, hey, yeah, whatever, but
like once they walk through, I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Know shit, okay maybe, but again I don't.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Know which particular thing we're talking about. There's a I
know early on they were talking about the door would move.
I just don't I want to know more details now
because of exactly what I'm saying there. It's like if
if you're there for the rest of the well, I
guess check mate now, So if you're the rest of
checkmate mm hmm fka eleven Street kids and you're going

(45:50):
to go after him, yeah, Like can you does anyone
even know where to look? If they don't, that door
goes to a spot on that planet. That planet is
a spot in that universe. Like, that's not a door
to a planet, is it. It's a door to another
whole ass universe. Like I could leave that planet and
then go, you know, across a galaxy. Sure it would

(46:13):
be impossible to find Chris Smith, is my point. Mm hmm,
Like just just categorically impossible if they if someone doesn't
know where he is, That's why that was that was
haunting me at the end.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Mm hmm, yeah, I don't. I don't hit haunts. Oh god,
that was such a good bit. Yeah, I don't know,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I know not the answer on that one, I was.
I was left with a little bit someone earlier, somewhere
on the thread, somebody brought up like that early scene
cracked me up looking back at it, because there's a
scene from like fourish where he is outside with Economos

(47:02):
and he's it's the thing where it says like, yeah,
is it funny, yes, very but you almost got titties killed. Yeah,
And that line is objectively hilarious. It's it's funny to write,
it's funny to say here, it's funny to read. It's
an objectively funny set of words to throw together.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
But when I was watching it the first time, you're
just reading him as funny, right, there's nothing behind his eyes.
When I watched him after after these deaths, somebody posted
that scene earlier and I was like, no, he actually
gave a shit about titties when he was talking about
the burden. He actually cared when he was getting mad
at Economos, he was worried about her.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, that was a real speech.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
It flavored it entirely differently.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, by the way, I love that love. I love
just his dynamic with Adrian, not checkmate, whereas like, yeah,
Adrian's finally got someone to like quizm mm hmm. I
just I like it.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
He finally did. And then then Flurry brings up what
looks to be a very simple Wikipedia page on spiders.
M hm, and you know, Adrian's failing that pretty miserably.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, he he.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Has not done any research on spiders. That's what he's
thought about. One spider that he saw one time, very hard,
is what's happened. Like, it's amazing with that level of
Dunning Krugerism, that he is actually any kind of trained
martial artist. I don't know how he knew he knew
to perfect that one thing, when otherwise he seems to
be so happily. Yeah, I'm so happy that he's got

(48:39):
full control of the grass or full grass, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah. I think somewhere Gun did point out that the
Earth X Adrian can identify real atrocities.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Understands what actual justice is and has a good grasp
on certain elements of reality that ours our Adrian.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Is more tenuous with at best, you know, like killing
a judge for instance.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
That was a great bit killing and Judge's family.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, killing how is How do you think you're one
of the good guys?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah? What part of you.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Thinks you're all of me?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
All of.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
No friend, You're charming, but you're terrible.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
By the way, when the when the imps jump out
of the I don't know the licorice grass or wherever
the it is, Yeah, candy grass and uh cover them,
which I do love that is is it? It is
a call back to that season or the episode one,
uh discussion of the the imps that from yeah, from

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the Earth X or whatever, not specifically theirs, but I
think I think Augie said Chris went in there and
tried to get a big, big s candy cane or
something got attacked by imps. I love that we got
to see it. I love that they there's like a
little heart noise when they get killed.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
That was funny.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, But more than any of that, I love just
hearing Hardcourt look up and scream like teddies pull.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, that actually just came up. I really like she
says pull Titty's pull, pull a fucking pool. No, and
then there's a spot after it where I genuinely thought
one of them was gonna scream they're organized. Mm hmmm,
because in my head, that's the moment I was happening,

(50:33):
was realizing, oh shit, they're organized.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah. The motherfucker pulled out a piece of glass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, like they break the guy's head gear and like,
oh yeah he uses a shard of that. Run over
there and release him very quickly. Yeah, oh yeah, don't
don't don't, don't sleep on them.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, there's some nasty little bastards.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
They are and horny.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I don't know why. I've just thought of South Park.
It's gotta be like Season one where the uncle take
some camping and fucking Kenny's drinking gasoline and you go,
see that boss. Now that is a dirty little bastard.
Oh yeah, God, that's like Season one. It's gotta be people.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I think that really is, man, that is like that's
actual cardboard cutouts.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I think it's like stuck in my head, dude, it
is a dirty little bastard.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, that is a rough bit here. I'm gonna I'm
gonna just scan through. Let's see. We got we got
big belly, we got the Nelson got it. I'm gonna
miss the song and the dance. I was both good.
One bit about the dance that always cracked me up.
If I never mentioned right before that every time I
look for David Denman counting five to six, seven eight,

(51:42):
right before that Hardcore does that flip around. It's like
Jennifer Oland does a flip aroun John Cena and she
like hits him in the back of her head with
her legs and he just he just moves right the
funk on because he was a pro wrestler at one point.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
And that that's that's just not gonna stop him, not
gonna stop. Yeah, Hair stayed in acting is good to go. Yeah,
see they're searching.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I feel like I didn't talk about uh Sasha and
Harcourt at the Big Belly Burger enough.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I really liked Sasha's turn. I kind of felt it
coming her slow distrust a flag.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
The slow des sent into rebellion and descendancy.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Right. Oh well, I mean he's kind of a dick.
But wait a minute, wait a minute, Yeah, yeah, I
love that. I loved they didn't really touch on it,
but I kind of felt like they did with like
a line, but it was like, oh, yeah, she's a
meta human, like, yeah, she's got to be wondering how

(52:45):
she's gonna be fair in here.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
And yeah, you see her darting her eyes around doing
the meeting, very much aware of how that is probably
eventually going to go for her. By the way, something
else that just came up in the background, the zombies.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
The zombies of her. Do you think it was the
DC sorry, the Deceased Universe.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
No, it's not. I do hate to break anyone with
that theory. But unless they happened to have popped into
that doorway, and that doorway happens to be it for
some reason, a like you know how like in Virginia
we have a couple spots that are like revolutionary war

(53:25):
remake spots, like there's a little tiny fake colony mm hmm.
And unless that was the fake colony and all the
fake colony, unless those were employees at the fake colony
where this happens in the real world. It's just that's
the wrong timeline, is my point. Okay, the in the
Deceased Universe, the reason that everyone is infected so quickly
is through technology. It's through the smartphone mm and the deceased.

(53:50):
The actual mechanism of the zombification is the antilefe equation,
because that makes all the fucking sense in the world.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh that's dope, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Isn't it?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah? I like it.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Oh and by the way, who of course brings it here?
Cybor m M just has to be right, m all right?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Cool? Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
There's one scene in particular that like where you you
really know it's about to get bad when like Bruce
realizes what's going on and goes runs around the house
and it's like MP. He has a plan to MP
the house if necessary, and he starts pulling the trees bad.
It's one of the best parts of that though, is
he gets a bit early on and when they show up,
he's in like a he's basically stolen mister Freeze's suit
to slow the process. He knows he's gonna go. He's
just trying to fight for as long as he's got

(54:29):
and he's got the mister free suit on trying to
slow It's great.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Man, That's that's really good.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Anytime I can convince someone to crack open Tom Taylor's
de ceased, I will happily take the opportunity. It is
deeply worth anyone's time. By the way, I just realize
these computers that they're working on in the command station
still literally have the LC background on them on the terminals,
Like this show is so incredibly working for lex luthor

(54:58):
m hm he And by the way, the sans age
he does point out like, hey, you're you're We're a
long way from a month to two ago, you.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Know, Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Stack of papers half the size of his.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Head, yep, uh you want to do some feedback or yeah,
all right, Fielder's our good friend, says Holy shit, peacemaker
man Leoda made me cry fucking hell, and of course
you gotta have this fucker finally realize everything he's ever

(55:31):
wanted is in his own universe, only to trap him
in another one away from everything he loves. Good for
gun that he was basically able to buy himself a
private double concert on the company dime under the guise
of his for the show. But yeah, the opening credit
song hits hard. It already did, but now fuck, it

(55:52):
was perfect. It was I thought it was perfect to
end it. I thought it was on that and I
thought it was perfect. Ped uh. While Nelson was a
was a Chris band, it would appear that Foxy Shazam
is an Amelia band, which she's the one singing along
to the lyrics. I did.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, I didn't think about it until they said that
later they're like, oh, it's more of a million things
in my in my head canon. It was just that
he was saying all that, and like he just sang
it around her so much that she knew the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Mm hmm. I mean he is wearing a Foxy Shazam
shirt when he is banished to salvation.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
It's a nice shirt too.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, it is like I actually kind of want it,
but I'm also just like, no, that's like now I
think I like it so much though that it was
her band, because him having the shirt on at the
end is like he's branded now. It's like he's I
don't know, he belongs to her and shit like he

(56:52):
she has put a mark on him. Yeah, and vice versa,
like he is in salvation and that's his salvation. Yeah,
that kind of shit, that Guscy ship. Yeah, the Alphas
are so afraid.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Of symbolism and whatnot. She's scary.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Hey, by the way, question because it's a it's a
disappointing turn to see that Titties does not join check Mate, right,
do you have any particulars in mind about how that happened,
how that went down?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
She they might still have somebody on the inside.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Okay, I mean she's one of the people throwing him in. Oh,
that may solve my problem from earlier.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
What's up? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
She's not one of the she is one of the
people that's holding Chris and like she is one the
people that kidnaps him and literally throws him in the salvation.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
So I mean, and she kind of looks mean when
she's doing it. Yeah, And I'm just watching it again
just now in the background here.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, she may have stuck with that,
or she may be the one that like goes to
checkmate and goes Okay, so I had had to do this,
I didn't have a choice at all. Us motherfucker's in salvation. Yeah,
do you might.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
It's we can leave anything on the table there. I
would have liked to have seen her over at the
at the new place, like sure that was That was
one of the joys I think one of the great
joys of seeing all of them laid out there was like,
oh my god, look who all joined. Well you know
who else got a happy ending all the payoff.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I don't. I don't know that we necessarily have any
confirmation that all of these people just like up and
quit their job with fucking argus. So like all of
them might be people on the inside.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, I mean, it could be kind of an adjunct
or something.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, I mean. And this is also absolutely fueling people
thinking that Langston Flurry is still a Martian Manhunter because
in the comics, in the comics, Batman figures out what
the fuck's going on, and since Martian Manhunter in uh
I can't remember who he who he shape shifted into,

(59:04):
but he winds up getting sent to salvation uh as
some super villain and is found out. So if if
Flangston is still there, I don't know, he might he
might still be Martia Man Hunter.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I don't see any evidence, any real good evidence for
it yet. It's as slip best, but like I'll take
them that way.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Like I was even looking, I was like watching for
that motherfucker to eat some eat some oreos man or
some chacos or whatever it's called.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
He's eaten one chicken out not at all season as
far as I can tell. Yeah, like, which is possibly well,
I don't know, maybe the only non breakfast food eating
in the fucking gun burst so far. M telling you
Superman is all breakfast for some reason. I've never figured
that out.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah. A j Easter Day eight said it had some
really good character moments the finale, but I disliked how
it introduced new plot threads that were not and will
not be explored in this show. Since the show is over,
it left me feeling unsatisfied.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I have good news. There will be payoffs. There will
be This is one of the hangtight scenarios.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Yeah, I think you know you're gonna have to honestly, man,
I think you're gonna have to treat the TV shows
as mini series more than anything and understand that they were.
They just needed something on a cheaper, smaller scale that
leads you to some of the bigger stuff or just
flushes out the universe. Tom two point zero says the

(01:00:38):
villain winning in the final scene is too close to
what's happening in the world right now. It hits different
and not in a good way. I included that one
specifically because I get it. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. He
also says, uh, first, it's not the he said this
one first, I switched him. First, it's out the worst

(01:01:00):
finalely ever. There were amazing character moments and above and
beyond acting, that coming together of the team is perfect.
It sets up a great future. Second, I think what
makes this finale leave us with a bad taste in
our mouths is that the villain flag wins while our
hero Chris loses. It'll all come back around eventually, but
since we don't know when that'll happen, we're left with
a hero's loss. It feels bad. Despite the great setup

(01:01:22):
we had, we're ending on a down moment. Yeah. Well,
you know, to quote Randal and Clerks or no Dante
in Clerks, that's what life is a series of down endings.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I mean, yeah, mostly true. But in this case, like
we are in a slightly different environment than we used
to be, Like, there's more at your disposal. We don't
have to hunt, like even the first days of this
fucking podcast, you'd have to hunt more for good news
like this, but like it's just right there. He's open
on threads pretty much a couple of times a day,

(01:01:55):
happily telling people just hang in there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
You just close.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
You can get a lot close to the flame more
handily than used to be able to. And I think
that plays into how some of these creators are starting
to think about their shows. Mm hmm, you're not worried
about old tropes like that. Mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Broto baggins Is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Oh God, by the way, sorry, that's a great name.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
One of the one of the characters, one of the
people credited in this episode was literally just Argust coke guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
That's fun, just the coked up No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
It just says Argust cokehead played by Jerry came in
right above eagerly. Do you have d Bradley back?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Oh god?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
And Nelson played by themselves All right, sorry, m.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
This is one you sent me and they didn't send
it directly to us. But I've included some some other
like threads and stuff that I just enjoyed or had
an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
To I thought people popped off on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Just yeah. I kind of just went, oh, there's something
there that I'd like to talk about or laugh at
or something. But Broto baggins Is says, it's chill to
not dig the finale of Peacemaker. Absolutely, if you don't
like it. I get it. I mean I don't get
it at all, and I am worried for you. But

(01:03:14):
no judgment. I guess, well, some judgment depending on how
you just like it. I guess like some of the
stuff people starre saying, I'm just like bro, he says,
in what world is my fan? Theories didn't happen or
this major setup wasn't the sort of major setup that
I wanted a legitimate complaint against it. The show is

(01:03:35):
about the Eleventh Street Kids. The season ended with all
of the Eleventh Street Kids having a completed character arc,
as well as three major setups for the future of
the DCU. I don't understand that part of the backlash
this show fucking rocks. Y'all just hype yourself up too much.
I agree with this completely. Like I saw Motherfucker's talking
about this is where they're going to bring in the

(01:03:57):
DCU Batman. I saw motherfucker talking about g I Robot,
g I Robot, and I'm like, yeah, he's done. Said
Gi Robot's not gonna be in Peacemaker. He's people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
He did say we'll see him, and he kind of
left it applied that you might see the real version
if he can work it out. But it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
He said, you will see a live action version of
Gi Robot, but it will not be a peacemaker.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
He specifically said that, Uh so, yeah, I got. I mean, dude,
I saw people upset that they didn't finish the Earth
X story. I'm like, the Earth X story was not
about Earth X. That was sucking. There are metaphors and allegories, like,
it doesn't always have to be just Earth X. That's
what these comic book shows. That's what comic books were

(01:04:42):
in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Well, yeah, like in this well, in this case, you're
just grabbing a little piece of X to borrow from
its story. I'm just grabbing some capital over here to
to move around. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's not I mean, originally he was gonna kill Denim's character.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah, but I mean this like you can go into
whole stories now. Granted, like if this was a comic
book series and I brought up Earth X, I'm probably
expecting to have a one or two month run on it. Sure,
mm hmm, but that's not what we're dealing with here.
You just grab it for a second. He used the
and he kind of let us use Earth X because
that works fine. He never bothered to really stop and
call it that deliberately.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
He did actually on his show on the podcast, he
did say it is Earth X.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Okay. Well so so the interview I read the way
it came across is he says earth chts in the interview,
and then the interviewer says, so we're calling it Earth
next now, and he kind of says sure, like he could.
He gives it the okay, But it's not like he
wasn't going out of his way to make it Earth acts,
you know, right, It wasn't about that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's yeah, it's not because they're always every time you
get a new version of the DC Universe or you know,
you're gonna get like, oh it's Earth Acts and then
like an animated show is going to show you Earth
X and it's going to be different, and then Ara
Verse is going to show you Earth xts and it's
going to be different.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Like, oh, way, I was gonna stop for that a
second ago. There's a really decent version of the Era
Verse earth Chts. Just go watch that, like, yeah, it
was a pretty good crossover. It's all right, Yeah, it
wasn't their best. They they did more afterwards. At the
time we thought it was amazing. They did better ones afterwards.
At the time, we were really happy with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I'm pretty sure we're gonna go back. If you we
went back and looked at the Earth X or Earth
X review, you're gonna be like, I'm pretty happy with this,
and I'd be like, it's all right, yeah, yeah, that
does feel like us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
That's probably about right there. But bear in mind, like
for it's a CW show, like for for that, there
were times where it was peak television and I would
defend it against anything across the field. But for the
most part it played in its range.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
There are big chunks. There are big, big, big chunks
of crisis on infinite earths that are God to your.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
As good as any infant, yeah, as.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Good as anything you'll find, even if it's not like
the best thing you've ever seen. And that makes sense
on some level, like when you consider how much they
had to work in fine to get all these moving
parts together in one huge crossover event, and it literally.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Was they did a fucking miracle.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
I mean you were, yes, you know, like when the
fucking anti monitor or whatever at the end blows up
and gets really big, and everyone's like reacting on the
ground that shit looks like some Power Rangers horse crap. Man,
it's bad. It looks fucking bad. But you know what,
I forgive it because they had fucking Burt Ward at

(01:07:32):
the beginning of this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Yeah, they had sixty six Batman Universe in the same
show as the eighty nine Burton Verse. Like, man, sometimes
shit just gets a pass.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
It and it should look I think I've told you
about this too, Just there is an explanation even for that.
Most of what people talk about when they say that
looks bad, it's the climax. There's a final fight scene
and it kind of looks a little shitty. Sometimes it's
because they had to do the second day of shoots
for set aside for that was just really shitty weather

(01:08:08):
and they couldn't undo it. Like it was one of
those things that just the shoot didn't work out right.
It was a miracle to have even had all the
people there. They did the best they could with that day,
but it was not what he's still mad about it
to this day, because it was a big fucking blow
to work that hard and have the weather work against you.
Mm hm, but he knows too, Like does that not

(01:08:29):
make it better?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah? In some way? And look I mean again, I'm
I'm giving it to him. Yeah, like you showed me
Olie Queen, you know, fucking die and become the specter.
You showed me an ending to John Wesley's The Ship's Flash,
the thing I never thought I would have Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
You wouldn't have stopped even ask for that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah, my god, you gave me callbacks to Birds of
Prey for fox sake, like the whatever it was early
two thousands, short lived one season, fucking w be Gotham
City in the Future show. Okay, well, hell, okay, cool,
I you gave me Brandon Ralph as Superman in the

(01:09:11):
Room with Tyler Heckland as Superman in the Room with
Brandon Ralph as Frey Palmer in the EPP and the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Oh and by the way, that Brent that that first
Brandon Rauth Superman it would have turned out was a
Kingdom conversion and like just obscene callbacks there, and none
of that includes the whole fucking Smallville situation. Yeah, and
then oh, by the way, Ezra shows up somewhere in
there we get we get the movie flash.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
And shaking hands with Grant Gustin with the TV space
between space.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yes, fucking incredible. And then none of that even was
I get the one of the bigger delights for me.
They show up on our six sixty six.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I went no ways, and nothing is as good as
the fact that they killed off Kate Bosworth's Lois h
off screen. We didn't you have to see her, Aaron
did it? Tdally Uh. Anyway, moving on back to the

(01:10:07):
show we were recovering, back to more feedback here, Drew Keith says,
and this is just this just cracked me up. Man.
The MCU really fried our ability to enjoy one piece
of media at a time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
It's probably accurate. Yeah, I told you earlier when we
were talking that I think this is probably gonna be
true that like we're gonna all live in the world now.
So anyone listening to this, you'll hear me and him
talk about this a lot. Is we're going to live
in this world where we're gonna be constantly fighting some
of the habits the MCU got us into. Maybe, like
I think that's just what happens after twenty five fish,

(01:10:46):
I forget what numb we're at at that. And however,
many series we just there's a lot of time there
where used to stay like this one. A lot of
the reason people were upset about this was because at
the end of it, it wasn't a fight scene and
a cameo. It didn't set you up with another hero
that you had heard hinted at, or god forbid, maybe
even hadn't heard. That would be even more exciting, right,

(01:11:06):
didn't even know? And then so and so shows up
and it's another major reveal for a character like that's
but that was the payoff. That was the dopamine everyone
was looking for. And that's not what TV always is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
It's not it's not I mean I thought Checkmate was
that the name Checkmate was enough for me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
It's a huge payoff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
The fact that the salvation bit was fun. Yeah, I'm like,
oh cool, Like because I'm not sitting there going like, yay,
they're gonna do this exactly to the letter. I'm there
going like, oh, well that's yeah, that's a cool thing
to throw in like that. Yeah. Absolutely, Like we're getting
right into human beings wanting to trap meta humans someplace

(01:11:45):
far away yeah, and I'm sure that I'll come back
to bite them. Rubin the Rider over on thread says
that motel scene with the Eleventh Street Kids was everything.
Damn it, James Gunn I wasn't ready to cry to
night and freaking checkmate. What a great season and what
a what a way to leave Chris Hops. Geek News says,

(01:12:06):
I truly cannot believe gun is about to adapt the
Salvation story. I'm guessing Man of Tomorrow is Lex and
Superman teaming up to escape that planet in some form,
which signed me up. Yes, you know, I hadn't considered
until I read his and I don't think that's what's
going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
I don't. I don't because I mean try to get
him through the door, either of them fly, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Well ah, oh it like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
That would my only probably would work, and that'd be funny,
that would be a cool take. I can't figure out
how anyone in this universe could possibly get either one
of them individually to go through that door.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Uh. I think, well, Lex is still in prison. I
did have a stray thought in this episode when Flag
was like Luther's the smartest man. He is the smartest
man in the world. I did have a stray thought
that maybe that might be a flag for Flag if
he was just like, wait, would that make him a meta?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Well, yeah, well that's a major like somebody like Happerson,
like you're he has. I like how they refer to
him as evil economos. It's great, but he is. He
has no scruples. There is no moral victory here. He
just wants to get rid of the metas. And he
wants to do it because if you get rid of

(01:13:27):
all the people that are actually special, the only ones
that'll be left of the people that aren't special, which
makes him the facto special.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Like they're just trying to get the other powerful players
off the board. That's why somebody likes like like Luthor
has some you know, this big envious story arc right,
mm hmmm, he'll at least he said it out loud. Apperson.
I don't know if we've ever not, like we've spent
much time going into his motivations here, but he doesn't
seem to be all that deep yet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
No, but yeah, I could see Flag getting into deep
with Luthor deciding all right, well it's time to turn
it on Luthor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, it just my only problem is physically try to
get Superman in there and then try to out smart
Lex and get him near a doorway. If you can
do it, great, it's a cool storyline. I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Well. What you'd have to do is get Lex's help
to find a way to get Superman depowered enough to
get him through there, which we saw him do it
in this first movie and Superman I don't know how
he does it without metamorpho, but they might have so
they might be able to synthesize some kryptonite. God knows

(01:14:33):
Batman did it. And Dark Knight returns. Yeah, you get
Lex to you know, get Superman in there, because there's
still a way they're not planning on getting Superman in
there somehow, and then Flag fucking kicks Lex in the
ass and closes the door. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Oh wait, good question. Actually all right, so question for you,
where do you think Maxwell Lord sits with this now?
So Luther's in prison. His take on that was he
thinks this is a win. Like he said, the only
thing left in the right agree on is like Luthor
as an asshole or something.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Right, Yeah, so he's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
You know, high in the hug, right, he's he's in
good shape, and he's got a Justice Gang at his
disposal who just picked up a new member. I guess
mm hmm, but I don't know. Gardner's not even a meta.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
No, but he's wields one of the most powerful weapons
in the galaxy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
So once once we have to assume Rick goes down
the slippery slope of you're not quite a meta, but
you're close enough, because that's how these things go. You're
you're going after you know, the guy holding the ring next, which, again,
good fucking luck. Like even like James Gunn's version of it,
like you can think the constructs are more or less

(01:15:50):
powerful than you know, perception. Thing in Gun's mind, they're
one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. That's
where he personally ranks the green Lantern rings like he
one thinks that that silly ass, fucking Nathan Fillion looking
motherfucker up there could absolutely take on Superman in this
universe and maybe Wind like that was not an empty

(01:16:11):
threat when he said, you know, do something blue mm hmm,
like it'd be hard. It's gonna be hard. So where
does Maximore Lord sit when he when he realizes that
the government is now using luth War's tech to try
to make a place to send all the Meadows people
that he's been you know, uh, championing. By the way,
he's got a mural m he's gonna end up on
the other side of this issue in a big way.

(01:16:32):
I would assume.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah, I mean that might be the way we get
Lord into Checkmate. He's gonna he's not got to do
a full villain turn like he did in Checkmate and
when he used Omac and all that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
No, and Gun, I think Gun ruled out that he's
going to have some nineteen eighties kind of turned in
him on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I think I would have been late two thousands to
turn Jesus Christ that all wrong. Yeah, buddy, Yeah, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
In my head, I was seeing a mullet. I went backwards,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Sorry, Yeah, he was just kind of morally ambiguous, you know,
fucking he's just in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Gun said he's going to keep the version that's like
he's just a yeah, he's a bit gray area, but
he's just a business guy that's funding this group kind
of thing. He's not gonna make him fucking shoot Blue Beetle.
That's not where we're going right. This man is not
dying at Wonder Woman's hands.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I don't know where that'll leave him, though.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I don't know. I'm curious. You want one one more
piece of news. I don't know that you've seen this
because you haven't mentioned it to me. Gun said Deadpool
was almost in the finale. Oh fuck, he said, I
wanted to open a door and see Deadpool in a room.
I talked to Ryan Mindles about it. I think we
would have had to go through some pretty big hoops

(01:17:45):
to do it. Ryan wanted to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I'm sure he did, he says.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
And that's all anyone's got to talk about now, is Deadpool.
I should have never said it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
No, No, he'll get hell. The news will pass about
an interview. That'll be fine, you know, he's I'm glad
it didn't work out because if that had been in there, Yeah,
it would have been very district. I ever heard the
end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
It would have been distracting if you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Put that in there. There is no amount of in
cannon destroying that door that you can do. Like, think
of how many times Gunn had him say over and
over again in Superman, I promise the message is not
jacked with. This is real. This is really the message.
I promise viewers, by the way, this is for you.
Look me right in the camera and while I'm staring
at you and hear me when I say this, this

(01:18:36):
is a real message. Look at the message boards.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I think the message might be fair, God damn it. Yeah,
I don't know that it will be a smart move man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
You know what, I would have augmented it a bit.
I actually would have tried to get it in there.
But I would love for it to be like they
opened the door and it's like fucking full on, like
Deadpool sitting there with death Stroke from Snyder Verse whatever
had Deadpool, Yeah, deadpools just like, I don't know who
the fuck you are, but you don't want no part

(01:19:06):
of this. Yeah a Wade Wilson, Slade Wilson, dead Pool,
death Stroke, the same character, but.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
You know, just square off. They're clearly in the middle
of a battle, one of them is clearly maybe about
to die, and he just says, you don't want to
be in this. You shut the door. We never heard
not the fucking word about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yeah. I think that would have been Yeah, that would
have been all we saw today. I think is if
he had shown up, it would have been because every
single project past that would just be Is today going
to be the day that, you know, the MCU crosses
over to the new gun verse?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah? No, I mean it's crazy, but man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I would have enjoyed that ship out of that, I
would have. I think I would have regretted the consequences though.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, definitely. But the fact that he said it means
that he got close.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
He talked to Ryan.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Really is it's easier than they're acting like it is.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
To actually do. I don't think that's difficult at all.
I think, I mean, I'm not. I don't even think
Royn Reynolds keeps that costume at his house. That's not
I'm pretty sure I heard him say that out right.
I don't think I'm speculating here. He keeps the costume
with him, he can just throw a green screen up
at his house and do shit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah, And I think he would do more like if
he owned the contract to Deadpool.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
If he owned that ip, Deadpool would be fucking everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
It means he'd be selling Jim, he'd be selling Mint.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
It'd be great. Commercials too. Problem. But he would be
another Universes dude. He would be doing fucking revivals of
the Golden Girls just so he could pop in an
episode of it. Like it would be all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Man. Yeah, yeah, he's just you know, showing up with
the b Arthur Wig.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Absolutely. Yeah. Well I think that's all we have is that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
See, I got distracted. I talked about how distracting would be,
and then I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
You see, Yeah, but you found such joy in it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it though, you right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Thank you guys so much for listening to DC on
screen and following along with us as we talk about Peacemaker.
And I enjoyed the hell out of the season. I
got really no notes from not really like maybe some
pacing issues here and there. But you know what, Gun says,
this is the thing he's most proud of, and I

(01:21:34):
get it, and I think you should take that to heart, because,
as he has said before, there is nothing more important
than story and nothing more important than those characters. Sorry
you don't get your big cameo. I'm sorry you didn't
get your big blood bath at the end or I
don't know, like I literally saw some people being like,
I mean, what am I supposed to? Oh God, we

(01:21:55):
gotta find that. I gotta find that real quick. That's
that I've forgotten to bring that up. Let's see. I mean,
I'm going right to the horse with this one his.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Gun after the credits feedback that we're gonna throw in here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Yeah, dude, this is directly from from from Jimmy Gunn.
This person says, James Gunn, can you please clarify how
is that finale gonna set up Man of Tomorrow? Like,
I am genuinely very confused about this, And gun said,
where Chris is at the end, What is happening between
the government and the meta humans, Rick and lexis new partnership,

(01:22:31):
and all of their decisions to do what they did
is all a part of the future Man of Tomorrow
and more right, And that's something I saw a lot
of people saying, like, I don't understand how this sets
up Man of Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
I'm curious that he you list the things he put
on those comics again real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Where Chris is at the end, which is salvation, What
is happening between the government and the meta humans which
the government is trying to get rid of the meta humans,
Rick and Excess new partnership okay, okay, and all of
their decisions to do what they did is all a
part of the future Man of Tomorrow and more.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Okay, So that'll be mhm. So the fourth one like
the other, the other three good, the fourth one that'll
be fun too. I didn't think about this, but like,
Rick is now responsible for some dropped bodies just in
the pursuit of revenge. Here he's he's his ledger isn't
clean anymore. Oh no, and we did that on cameras,

(01:23:32):
So now there will have to be something. So yeah,
like he's gonna the math has to come back at
him at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
But I think there's gonna be a little bit of
a like So, and Rick was really all this was
about dropping one body. His son is a very important
body to him, but it was about dropping one body ultimately,
and he's he's made he's made a you know, a
few very sad parents in his time. Now, yeah, I
think that's that's that's gonna be fun. But I like
that he specifically mentions the consequences apart, like how that's

(01:23:59):
gonna showup the rest of it I kind of knew,
like Les taking over effectively from prison. Basically, yeah, it's
clearly important, clearly a big deal. He's a wily fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Uh huh, yeah that's true. Yeah, I I yeah, Oh
my gosh, yeah, I thought set up things so well.
I'm and if they do new Gods, I mean the
fucking chapters called Gods and Monsters. The screeches I heard
on in in the Salvation sounded like a monster's to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Yeah, that that something wicked this way out there, but made.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Me think of the smoke monster from Loss. I've just
been reading U some Frank Chose stuff, so like the
first thing off my head was really, uh, Savage Land
and shot of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
The She Devil, you know, Marvel shit, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Uh, but yeah, a smoke monster I thought of. Sorry,
I didn't think of Dinosaur Isle and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Went straight to that damn dot fog monster lives Rent
Free Man, the fog Monster, smoke monster.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
That thing is, dude. That thing was crazy. I mean,
it was smoke, but it sounded like machinery. It was
like click click click click click click click click.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Oh oh that's that's fun sound as I because that's
either that either makes it super interesting or you wonder
if your fucking TV's broken.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
You're not. Yeah, they specifically looped in a bunch of
different things. They did a lot of fun sound design
stuff with the smoke monsters so that you couldn't like,
you're like, I don't know, it sounds like a fucking
damned soul and all at the same time, it sounds
like some kind of machinery worrying and clanking. I don't
know what it is. That is pretty good, gotta say
we still kind of don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
I do love I wonder to some extent, because I mean,
you've mixed enough stuff to at least know what it
sounds like to make some track. But like sometimes you
hear this stuff from a sound designer and they'll be like, yeah,
I put these fourteen sounds into this one moment in
this movie, like like the one I always remember is
like in the Matrix when the fucking when the pod
shucks open and he you know, naked, uh naked Kano

(01:26:15):
pops out and pulls the stuff out of his It's
when he pops out of the good for the first time,
like that little shh when the when the toilet opens,
when the fucking pod toilet thing when it sucks him down,
it's like it's like there's like a pig and a
lion's roar and blah blah blah like it. It's fascinating
to hear. It's like the first time i'd heard Oh
my god, they put like all these crazy things. And

(01:26:37):
sometimes you hear that though, and you'll see a documentar
or whatever you're like, oh, really, look at all these
things I can hear. And sometimes you hear that and
you're like, y'all were No one can hear that. What
are you fucking talking about? No one can hear the
fifteenth layer of the thing that you put in there.
You were out of your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the line between madness and
genius is so thin. Yeah, and often as a fuck
strand of Gossam marinea.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Yeah, it's a real it's rough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Hey man, you know, I got nothing, Man, I'm not. Yeah.
I like I like stuff like from like Star Trek
or something where it's like the when you when you
hear them come through the doors, like she walks, she
walking there like you know that was just like a shoe,
like a rubber shoe like on a floor. Real, Yeah,
you're like, oh cool, you know, yeah, we put some

(01:27:30):
glitter in a fucking thing of water and made a
transporter effect, like, oh okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
That has to be like that has to be some
kind of trope and sound design her land, like if
you're in that world more where like, yeah, you have
old folio artists who are like, I have a deck
of cards and four sticks of celery and a pile
of sand and two wooden blocks. We can do seventeen
movies with this ship. What do you needed to happen? Yeah,

(01:27:57):
I got you covered. And then like one digital designer
with the entire world, his fingertips is like, we need
seven hundred lynxes to all roar at the same time. Yeah,
to make the opening of this car door, you know why.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah. I mean I appreciate both sides of it, but
I do appreciate like the you know, very involved sound design.
But I think my favorite stuff is just like interesting
sounding stuff that turns out to be very mundane things
from like old TV and movies.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Well, the cellary thing in particular, if you've never done that,
and I can urge anyone that hears this to do
so next time you hear a bone crunch and anything
you're watching with somebody, just explain that that was really celery.
One you hear it instantly. Instantly you're like, yeah, that
was your salary, wasn't it. And Two they'll never unhear that.
You can't undo that. You once you know that salary,

(01:28:59):
it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Mm hmmm. It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Yeah, I'm not sure if that'll ruin someone's day. I
don't know. That could be more of a bludgeon. Use
that discretion, Use that discretion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
All right, again, thank you guys for listening, and we
love you, and we'll be back, uh, probably next week.
It's gonna have to be next week with news. We
haven't done news in a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
We haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I don't know if there has been news. I haven't
been looking, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
No, I think it's all been happening kind of in
the Peacemaker verse for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
So yeah, So suck a dick. I mean, keep some
DC on your screen too. By

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