Peacemaker Red Band Trailer, Superman Saga Update and Will Harley Quinn Return?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh lord, welcome into DC on Screen. I'm your host,
David C. Robertson. This is Jason Goss. Hello, and uh yeah,
I guess we're gonna do some news.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Huh, that's try it.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah, try it like we
haven't done this for years.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Now, squeeze it in.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Just.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Give it a go.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, all right. So yeah, because we're gonna try to
record two episodes tonight, and oh lord, oh lord, yeah,
let's hit right and.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
We'll see how I got.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Jesus Christ, I'm already like fumbling over my words.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Fantastic start.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Look, I'm under a lot of pressure here.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I know it's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You'll see, you'll see because you're hosting the next one.
This is the next one is your baby, so like
you're gonna have to do that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's my problem.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's fucking hard. Let me tell you. Let me tell you.
I'm writing down the time right now and now because
I've mentioned it and we made such a fuss, I
can't cut it, Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Don't know why you wrote down the time anyway, all right,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, because I fumbled and I was gonna cut it. No,
never mind, never mind.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's too late.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Jesus Christ, as you were all right. Looking at the
box office for Superman, we are at five hundred and
eighty eight million, seven hundred and sixty eight thousand, six
hundred and thirty six worldwide. I'm not keeping up with
whether or not that is beating anything. I don't give
a shit.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I don't know I was responsible for the thirty six
at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, it's done well enough.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah I did fine.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's done well enough, and we'll talk about it a
little bit more, but not in any substantive way. Like
I said, I don't give a fuck about the competition
of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's tires. It's it's done well enough, and there as
a number. It's it's doing fine.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Mm hmm. Gun's favorite character in the movie just might
be mister Hansoon. Lex created mister Hanson in a Petri
dish when he was twelve.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I had I had to remember who mister Hanson was.
That was taking me sack.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Okay, yeah, he was trying to make it a human.
He didn't come out so well, but he just might
be the only one in the world. Lex has any
true sentiment for as evidence by the photo on his desk.
I did. I did notice he had a picture of
mister Hanson on the desk.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I did not, does he? Oh it was a little boy.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it's a little feller. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I still think he has a fondness for the engineer.
But you know, just they work together closely that Oh no,
he'll no. I think he likes his close team.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I don't know. He seems really repulsed by her.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
He does he just because.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
She made herself a meta.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, I know. He just yeah, I'm gonna insist that
when when she's going down, he seems very upset about hmmm, Matchela.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think speaking about what he thought Superman needed to
be gun said. The thought that I always had was
what you said, Superman needs to be huggable. And there
is something about this suit, this disarming even with Batman.
If I was doing Batman, I'd get into it. Like
Batman is a fucking maniac. He puts on a scary
bat costume and goes out and tries to scare people.

(03:24):
So like he's contrasting Superman and Batman, and I think
what he's saying there we can get like a sliver
of what we might be anticipating or be able to
anticipate with his Batman. Yeah, I'm very curious not huggable,
but I agree Superman, he's be huggable. Like there seems

(03:46):
to be some sentiment that Superman just needs to be
this like super gritty jacked dude who is beyond reproach
and he's got to be that too. Beat everybody. But well,
I wasn't here. He wasn't in this movie. He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I know, He's just supposed to be everyone for everything,
for everybody. It's just, yeah, that's the burden. But he
One of the moments that shines the most to me
is other than in the same vein as the Squirrel,
but not quite the same same scene when he takes
the lady on the rooftop and and tells her like
all right, deep deep breaths or whatever like that was

(04:25):
that was awesome. Yeah, you just in the middle of
the in the middle of a big battle. You've just
swept this lady onto like a several story roofs. She
was probably freaking out. Take a little time to give
her a couple of breathing exercises. Look very calm. He did.
He looks very disarming in that moment. I loved it.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Mm hmm. I see if calm in a in an
unh unsure world, in a chaotic world.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, imagine that same movement. Like you you're just trying
to escape and then like something giant grabs you and
you're kind of in the air because it's blurry for
like half a second or whatever. And then you're on
a rooftop and he turned around instead of this giant
like huggabld dude who's like I could breathe take you know,
take it easy. There's like what James Gunn's just described

(05:08):
for Batman and jump back off the roof.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
She's probably like, I'm not panicking. I'm not panicking because
of the Kaiju Superman and panicking because when they interview
me later, there's gonna be a bunch of people on
the Internet calling me a bitch and calling me a
fake because they saw the footage and they're pretty sure
that the way Superman grabbed me, it should have broken
every bone in my body. Right, Yeah, I do, like
I like I like that so much in this movie
is that there was that internet. That part of the

(05:36):
story was that there was like this internet presence of haters,
you know, troll army. Yeah, just analyzing everything, shitting on everything.
Do you watch Crypto Saves the Day?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I did?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
What did you? How did you feel? I like it?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Just fine. I had it. The major sentiment is that
that is perfect for an episode of Animaniacs a little bit.
And I'm aware that I'm put it in that mine
because probably of the pigeon and all that, but like
the pigeon didn't.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well yeah, yeah, I forgot about the good feathers. Yeah, absolutely,
I hadn't. I didn't really think about that. I was
just well, I mean I watched it. I was like, well,
that was cute. It's a little five minute animated short
this episode one of Crypto Saves the Day school bus
uh scuffle and uh there, I know gun and Saffron

(06:25):
said at some point that it's cannon. Ain't know, way,
this is cannon. This is just some bullshit. It's it's
not bad, it's just it doesn't it's a cartoon. It's
very clearly, you know, it's just type cartoon from back
in the day.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It has all the same beats as the Looney Tunes.
That really is the same beats as a wiley and
read runner.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, cartoon. I mean, you've got a pigeon sticking his
tongue out at Crypto and boiling raspberries and ship.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's not he's like shooting rockets at him through the air.
Think at some point mmmmm. Yeah, it's just an actme
commercial basically.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, it's all just ridiculous. Yeah. I don't know if
you guys saw this, but there was an Adventures in
the Making of Superman video that came out as part
of the special features on the Superman movie that just
came out on v O D, which is this one. Yes, yes, yes,

(07:26):
oh real quick. By the way, sorry, I am going
to post a link. Sorry, I'm not, I'm not. Can't
talk today. I'm gonna sounds like I'm gotta post a
link to Crypto Saves the Day on in our show notes.
I'll also post a link to the Adventures of the
Making of Superman doc that they posted as a special

(07:48):
feature suppose roll initially on the digital and four K
release announcement, but it lessly they just decided to release
the ship online, so fuck it.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, I don't think it's even part of my little
digital purchase.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, a lot of people were saying that, and I'm like, yeah,
it's on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah all right. I was confused about that too, but
it's it's it's out there feturettes on the on the
v o D thing. There's these little two or four
minute things. But I don't even watch him yet.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, but part of that Adventures of the Making of Superman,
they showed, uh, some of the storyboards I guess, and.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, they're kind of like contrived storyboards like they're for
the documentary or for the behind the scenes thing.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So they were they not official because what I was
seeing it looked like the Brainiac was in one of them,
like maybe he was cut from an early draft or something, because.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I mean these are drawn like one of them, these
are drawings of like guns. Sitting around thinking about it
with Peter Souffron, like, these are dramatizations of events in
the lives gotcha? Which is funny that they chose Brainiac.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It is there, but yeah, it's an odd thing to
throw into the documentary and to be like, yeah, that's
fine to keep in Wait what why because you know
we're gonna make that apart.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's it would seem to
not be completely naive, but it like, I think it's
just Superman, Supergirl Crypto there, but in the context of
the scene, it's just sort of them talking about how
they're getting to make a Superman movie. A lot of
the documentary is just them talking about how much they're

(09:36):
enjoying making a Superman movie.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
That's school. I didn't watch it.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
It was fun Yeah you watched it. Watch I enjoyed
watching them talk about how much they enjoyed from making
a supermervie. But yeah, I don't. I really don't know
why exactly would be there precisely.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
That's that's that interesting.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
What is funny to You can see like there's a
different in the You can see you can tell those
are are just on to look like they're drawn quickly,
but they're actually drawn well worse versus you can see
some of his later and they are just straight up stick.
I don't even know how I got I don't know
how anyone understood the shot he was looking for off
the image he put on that panel.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's funny. One of the things that was in the
documentary that I did see was the clip of Gun
and corn Sweat arguing over like that last big speech
of Corn Sweats and uh, you know, I heard a
lot of people talking about it, and I heard you
talk about it, and I was like, I'm not gonna.

(10:35):
I don't really care to watch that. It's fine. I
like the way it came out, but I'm not gonna.
But then I broke down and watched it, and I
sat here at my desk at like three am crying
because like he did, like he didn't get it, and
I did agree with him, like I would have agreed
with Corn Sweat completely, and I'm like, no, he's, you know,
come through the fire, he had to talk with his dad.

(10:58):
He's you know, he would have been more calm. Yeah,
And it's so much of what so many people who
have not liked the movie, which aren't that many, have said.
It's like, no, he should be calm. It's this Superman
screams too much. But like, I loved that they like
shot the argument. I think Gun was talking about how

(11:20):
he was shocked that they even shot it, and he
was like, oh my god, I can't believe we got this. Yeah. Yeah,
because it's like the Gun just being like explaining it
to him, and I'll you know, post a link to it.
You guys have got to check it out. It's really fun.
But like explaining why Clark is still so agitated. And
I love the bit where he has he's like talking

(11:42):
to him, like David just snaps and goes, I got it,
I got it, I got it, and just like runs
to go do it like yeah, it's like it finally quick.
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
But yeah, like that, it's quick too, like he says, like,
gotcha and just sort of like Pat's gun on the shoulder,
slash out of his way a little bit. M got this,
and then like gun just sort of like pops him
back on the on the back of the other shoulder
like that. There's a as soon as he starts to move,
everyone's like conversation over Pat Pat on the way. Yeah,
everyone film it, get the fuck out of my way,

(12:12):
get it.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Like but he was right because he nailed the fuck
out of it.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Dude, he did.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
He did.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
And it is not that the I agreed the first
two takes were good. There's nothing wrong, Like I don't
think they would have not worked in the movie, honestly, yeah,
they would have worked. But you see why, you see
why it had a sort of magic later on that
last bit. It was a wonderful moment. There really was emotion.
It was a it was a real argument. It was
a pretty in terms of arguments, I've had a relatively

(12:40):
calm one.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
But yeah, I think they were still trying to keep
a professional.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, it was a very very professional raising of emotions
on on set with everyone there. I'm sure absolutely aware
that they were more mad than they were showing at
the time. You know, well, they did well, and they
do it a good job of like talking about it
after as Okay, look, look we were disagreeing about this,
and yeah, it makes for a neat scene.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
It does, all right. So we've got the digital release
and that it started to come out. Came out yesterday, yeah,
August fifteenth, and a lot of people, even to Gun
have been saying, like that sucks. I wanted to see
it in the theater and I didn't get a chance to.
It is still in theaters, FYI, Like it is like

(13:28):
showing here, Like I looked it up in our town.
It is still going until the twenty first at least.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, I saw the twenty first or twenty second. I
think at least it's I've got day's worth and out
of curiosity this time. I mean for a lot of reasons.
We were we were watching it closely because there was
just so much fucking internet chatter about HM. But we
kept looking at dates for you know, show dates, and

(13:55):
it would show you some but not everything, so that
we don't know that twenty one or twenty two is
the end of run.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
We don't at all no reason I think it is.
Frankly no, and I'll talk about it in a second,
but uh, the four K Blu ray release dates were revealed,
they weren't for pre order. They're all sold out, So
sorry I missed it too.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, it's just a pain that you want to not
talk about that for very long, or.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, it's I don't like listing special features on the show.
But the four K Blu Ray actually does have a lot.
It does have the Crypto Saves the Day school Bus Scuffle.
It has the Adventures of Making Superman featurette. It has
icons Forever Superman's during Legacy, Likes Luthor, The Mind of
a Master Villain featurette, Cryptuns, The Music of Superman Paused

(14:46):
to Pixels, Crypto is Born FEATURETTE, Breaking News, The Daily
Planet Returns, The Ultimate Villain feature at the Justice Gaging FEATURETTE.
I mean this is like the old days, a new
era DC takes off and then like on Digital, it's.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Just there's a robust version of the old days, honestly.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, And like on the Digital director's commentary with James
Gunn gag reels and deleted scenes, I would be very
interested to watch it with the director's commentary, And of
course I always love to watch a good gag reel.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
God, yeah, so deleted scenes always go for ye gag reels.
Maybe maybe maybe It really just depends on the crew
and what moved them in and whether I really want
that movie to be something I see behind the scenes
that thoroughly mm hmm. Some of them you don't right.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, no, sometimes you don't care, and some of the movie.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh god yes, And then man, I just I don't know.
With this one, I would definitely like the director's commentary
might be behind the deleted scenes, might be the first
thing I would go for after the deleted scenes. But
that is very much case dependent too. I have I
have some that just there's no chance I would ever
rewatch it with that, Yeah, just want I'd be very excited. Yeah,

(16:02):
sea M can't get my hands.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
On it, so well. I mean that won't come out
for a while though you'll you'll eventually get your hands
on it. Is. The physical media release will come out
in September twenty third. It's just the pre order sold out.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
M So it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
It'll be all right, I know. I just Jason want
to be all right.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I just want to make sure that I grite properly.
That's part of the marketing.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
They short it, I have to grite right, and they
prove there's more marketing. They printed more then one.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's fine, all right. So part of the reason, according
to Gunn, the reason that the theatrical window, or rather
that the digital came out so quickly. He said, it's
very complicated, but the truth is it is because of Peacemaker.
I originally thought Peacemaker was going to be coming out
next month. There was a lot of things that are

(16:51):
be under control, so that Peacemaker's coming out now. And
at the end of the day, I wanted everyone to
be able to see Superman. That wanted to even those
people who couldn't get to a theater before Peacemaker. And
that's really the reason for it. Now I mean even
with that, we're talking about thirty five days. Thirty five
days since it came out, that's what Minecraft did or

(17:11):
Minecraft did like five weeks, that's what the Jurassic World
Rebirth did, like thirty four days. Like it's not incredibly like, yeah,
that's standard. It's become standard. Yeah. I mean at some
point forty five days was the standard, but there is
no standard anymore. Everyone's trying to figure out what to
do because of streaming and when you're helming a universe

(17:33):
like this, and you know that Peacemaker is going to
be in some ways so much of a sequel because
like they put out this Red Band trailer, like we've
seen in the trailers we've seen, we've seen the Justice
Gang is there except for mister Terrific Maxwell Lord is there.
And in this new trailer we've got dude bro what's

(17:54):
his name, the scientist who looks like freaking chit. Yeah. Yeah,
I also think that guy looks like Will Forte as
well as you can't.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I cannot figure out what he reminds me of. He's
unique and something similar at the same I can't play
whatever it is I think is from the late seventies
so yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
He was in the comics too, and I never remember
his name anyway, but Sidney Happerson, we got otis Berg
sitting at the table. We got fucking Defense General Moury
from the Secretary of Defense to General Moury as again
from Superman. We got Flag. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I mean it's like we knew he'd be in there
destroying him, but.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, we've gotten him talking about like, yeah, somebody
else has got this thing, like like okay, all right, yeah,
so this is very much And Gun has said it too,
like Peacemaker's going to be like a straight up you
can watch it without Superman, but.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
You really don't want to, you know, why would you
want to?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, anyway, so.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
You'll probably be fine with the gag about the asshole
that doesn't say high in the background, but some of
the other gag that come out of that are not
going to be as rewarding without the limited amount of
previous viewing at this stage that would be required.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Mm hmm. And you know, look, frankly, I don't give
a shit, Like I'm happy to get all of this stuff.
It was financially viable enough to that they all declared
declared it a success. And here's the thing. It's like everybody,
you know, all the naysayers are going or saying like, hey,
you know, they're just making shut up. They're just pretending

(19:29):
that it's a success. The real reason that came to
digital so quickly is because it's leaving theaters. But it's
not like it's still in theaters. So you're wrong about that.
Like they said, you know, they just trying to hide
the fact that it's you know, not successful. Look, they
here's a thing. We have plenty of as DC fans,

(19:51):
we have plenty of examples of what they do when
the thing is not a success. They stop talking about it.
They don't say it was a it was a huge success. No, Yeah,
they just stopped talking about the ship. Yeah. I don't
care that, Gun said flat he thinks the Flash is
one of the best superhero movies he's ever seen. Doesn't
fucking matter. Once it came out and a flop, motherfucker

(20:12):
ain't spoke up it since we just ignore it, just
ignore it.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And when that didn't work and we're out of Jack
Frost announcements, we just well, I don't know what we'll try. Now.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I'm not saying, you know, because you know, people will
be like, oh, you're a gun apologist. No I'm not.
He's in the executive game now. It is what it is.
He's going to say what he has to say. In
this case, I happened to believe him with peace maker shit, like, Yeah,
that's probably why.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I think it was a deciding factor, probably of
like three or four major factors.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
This.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
The two major weeks that were going around as rumors
were this weekend next week basically, and I mean there
were still rumors, but I would have bet I would
have had a paycheck that one of them was right.
The very worst it would have been what the week following,
like early September. Yeah, at worst, but I.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Would have got a paycheck. Because you just never know,
and we hear such crazy ass fucking rumors and then
all of a sudden it's just like you just don't
hear it about it again. And hey, remember that time
they said it was gonna be the on the fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, it never happened, and just never in time past
and someone updates the website and no one remembers it.
But it really is in the window. That wouldn't surprise
me in this lightest. We're right outside of it, and
I know peacemakers connected, but I guess you're kind of thinking, Okay,
we'll go see it in the theater and then make
sure you see it before you know, next Thursday or whatever.

(21:33):
I don't at all hate the idea that in a
world where it was a fifty to fifty decision to
just go ahead and throw it out there and make
them more make more money anyway, because genuinely, like the
strategy here is pretty simple. There were people that are
going to watch it at home and only at home,
and it does not matter how long it stays in
the theaters, except that those people may forget about it

(21:55):
and then it it doesn't show up on one of
the mini screens and apps they opened that month. When
you find do release it and they forget about it
and don't watch the damn thing, like while it's still
in a hype stage. I think that's part of why
people are doing it. Earlier people are still talking about
this film, so like, why not go ahead and make
the money? Now everybody's doing that. If you want to
see it in the big screen, it's still there. There's
still people that go see it imax. If you had

(22:16):
just endless showings.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yep. Absolutely, But you can just make.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
That money now earlier and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, I don't think it matters. I think it's I
think the only reason it matters is because you want
as much people to be able to feel comfortable watching Peacemaker,
and you know that there are people who were like,
I cannot make it to a theater. I wish I
could watch Peacemaker. I'll tell you this. My sister is
one of those people who were like, I don't know
if I'm going to be able to get to Superman

(22:44):
in a theater and in time to watch Peacemaker. I'm
going down on Friday to go watch Superman at her
house with her. Yeah. Like, that is the world we
live in, and that's the world we have to live
in now. Like the business has changed, it's not what
it was twenty thirteen. View d was still an infant.
In twenty thirteen. It was just ramping up.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
There really is no need to. So the thing you
hear when I'm over again now is oh, that's early.
One of the problems is that, looked at a certain way,
the word early just simply doesn't apply anymore. It's no
longer playing the same game that went by a timing
at all, like you would you would take the movie
out of the theaters, or really, I mean, at some
point you would just have it in theaters until something

(23:28):
else edged it out. But people still cared about being
in theaters, so you would eventually get edged out, even
if you were a big movie, right like you needed
that space. But then you would have to print a
certain amount of actual things to sell, and you would
use some of the demand for that little period where
it was not there to see how many people were
buying and looking for it, and then do a little

(23:48):
bit estimating on top of that. We don't need any
of that shit anymore. You just kind of know, like
I mean, you know with metrics that are way faster
and way better than you've ever had about how many
you need to print if you just had to something.
But you don't clearly, as you covered, we don't really
pay attention when we print things anymore anyway, or we
don't know how to get it right. I'm not sure.

(24:10):
But the print part's all kinds about a whack. Streaming
doesn't matter. You just hit upload.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, look, I'm just saying at the end of the day, like,
I think he's doing what he needed to do for
the fans and hopping on and saying, look, let's get
this out to people so they have time to watch
it before Peacemaker, because not being able to see Superman
will affect Peacemaker Season two's ratings.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Very much so. And I think it's one of those
shows where, well, it's also a streaming show, like some
of the ways you show hype these days, other than
the internal metrics that like only you know about is
just chatter, right, you need to chatter, you need people
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's also the kind of show where you don't want
to come in late.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, that's why he's been doing this peace Maker podcast,
like what are we doing right now podcast? Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
So yeah, I think you know, I think I think
we're fine.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Everyone a lot of good reasons to do it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Just pick up a fan and cool them tits. I
think we're good.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Did we adequately talk about Peacemaker's season two red Band trailer? No?
Did you? I can't remember if I sent you the
one that had the intro to it that we're gun
and seen her being like can we say fuck? Yeah,
we can't as a fucking red band trailer. Fuck yeah,
did you watch that?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I don't think I saw that one.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Actually there's one with an intro is fun of course.
Uh yeah, so we have this uh what was he?
The Department? The Secretary Secretary of Defense, General Morey's saying, uh,
you know, we we need to find Peacemaker. Like Lex Luthor,
he's in possession of some kind of dimension portal. I'm
so into this. Like I saw a I saw a

(26:01):
an article that was like Peacemaker Season two might genuinely
be better than Superman. Dick jokes have never been this deep.
It's by Simon Gallagher over in Comic book dot Com.
I just love the headline. But yeah, it looks so good.
I love the the alien creature that Chris is just

(26:23):
so upset because he won't say hello in the morning.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I like the familiarity it's gonna be Yeah, that's gonna
be cool. I love get you a goodhead of how
much time we're gonna spend in those doors.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, I love all of the stuff with Vigilanti being like,
you know, I like sex. This is how you bond
with your best friend. No, no, it's not what are
you talking about?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Come on, yeah, I mean it. He shows up with
a thing of cleaning supplies, post post orgy. I don't
know what his day look like, looks like right now,
but sticky, I haven't imagine.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Oh man, so funny.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I the deaths in this trailer too. God, that pencil
thing really stands out.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah it does. I've thought about that a couple of
times since i've trailer.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I can feel it.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
There's double pencils going straight to the skull.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I can like feel it scratching behind my I don't
like it. I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh h Now do.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
You like the bit about eagerly with the I'm gonna
pretending you found that.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, he just drops the It was a finger, okay,
but it was like directly after the scene where he's
attacking somebody and ripping out the eye and like the
stream of blood's flying out like yeah, good.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Poetically poetically flying in the air.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I would say, uh, and I will reiterate, by the
way Guns says. We see lots of different characters from
Superman in the season, Isabella and Nathan and Sean, and
then we see a bunch of other characters later on
in the season, from other parts of the DCU and
from Superman. There might even be one really, really really
big cameo you at the end of the show. Hell ya,
it looks bloody and violent and hilarious and of course heartfelt. Yeah,

(28:07):
I'm so. I'm so excited about it.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah. I sort of don't really have or need words
for how excited I am.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
You do need because of this podcast that we're talking.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, I just at this stage, at this stage of
our excitement, it's just can't be here sooner.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Enough, pretty much. During a roundtable attended by a comic
book dot com, Gun was asked whether Peacemaker will ever
start his own feature length film again, and Gun says,
I actually know the answer to that question, and I
am not at liberty to say under penalty of the
Saffron punishment, which is a loss of my knuckle. Every
time I give away something, Peter Saffron will take away

(28:43):
another joint of my finger. It's very painful. He uses
a cigar cutter. He pulled that shit directly from Sam
Raimi's Dark Man.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Nice. I believe that there is one of the touching
parts of that little behind the scenes is Saffron actually
talking about how much he's always wanted to make a
Superman movie. Yeah, I could swear it gets a little emotional.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Oh yeah, No. There's even the clips that I've seen,
like as he's like watching uh Henry, No, I'm gonna
keep it fucking uh almost wrote down a time I
was like, no, as he's watching David, No, no.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, no, you just you just said your ex's name
and with someone else, and you don't have to crawl
out of that. That's your life, bro.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah dude, he looks.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay, I'm here for you.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Mm hmmm mmmmm mm hmm. Any any Yeah, look, I
ain't gonna pretend I didn't love the other one. Yeah,
forces beyond my control. Man. But as as the part
of the.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Bit where you pretend not to be defensive.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, As Peter is sitting there watching David give that
final speech like he's got tears in his eyes.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah he does. He does. There's a notable smirk at
the end when he gets it right.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, Gun says the old boy still enjoys the magic himself. Yeah,
Gun said, he connects. He certainly connects to Peacemaker. I
certainly connect to Harcourt in certain ways. I'm not as
good as Superman, but nothing quite feels his autobiographical as
Rocket did. But in a way, the Peacemaker story is

(30:34):
in some ways more personal. And I really do relate
to Chris, you know, I relate to the good and
the bad size of him. In case you were wondering
on who in the DCU so far a gun connects
to the most.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, all right, I mean, you know, wouldn't be Superman.
He declined the project several times because he couldn't find
his way in.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I know, which just reminds me of this great, great,
great graphic novel called It's a Bird. I'll post a link.
It's a guy trying to like trying to figure out
his way, like he's offered the writing job of Superman
several times. The guy who wrote the graphic novel in
real life was offered Superman a bunch of times, and

(31:12):
he kept turning it down because he couldn't figure out
a way to make to like relate to Superman. Right,
And there's a whole bunch of other stuff about a
family illness, h Huntington's Korea, and uh, it's fucking dark
and sad, and like his girlfriend wants to get married
and have kids, and he's just like, I don't know,
but he won't tell her why, you know, because it's

(31:33):
a genetic thing. It's so good though, so good. Over
the Lanterns, they added a child to the cast. That
was a weird way to say it. It was, okay,
I am off my game today.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
The lizard fulcon you just came out for a second.
It's like a child in this new role.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Hold over from Resident Alien or something. Yeah, across the
human child. Kerry Christopher has kind of butter. He's playing
a character named Young Noah. He's described as polite and charming.
A polite and charming small town kid who is gifted

(32:22):
at just about everything he tries, but is especially fond
of playing football. Don't know what that means for the
for the for the Lanterns, but that is a thing
that's happening. Yeah, Batman part two.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
As you did that, I realized I've seen movies and
TV shows so bad that you just heard the casting
call basically out loud in the in the show later
where they're like, yeah, and that's young Joey. He's gifted
a lot, but he can't.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Like yeah, I think there's a character named Noah, and
he's going to play him in a flashback he is
young Noah. Yeah, yeah, that's that's my guess. Just you know,
throwing that out there.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
The Batman Part two production begins January first, supposedly twenty
twenty six, now that's according to production list, and it's
apparently happening in the United Kingdom. I've heard a couple
of people say it starts in spring, like David's as
Laf mentioned that and like a call to like investors
or something. I guess you could still say spring and

(33:24):
being January.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I don't know. I don't think the half spring in
the UK, so hard to say.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, he might have just like not remembered and been
like I didn't have that my notes Spring.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah that's the ticket. I mean, yeah, that could happen
any point. There's a little there's a moment early on
in that little documentary where Gun's like, yeah, you know
we're because we're gonna start filming in February, and then
somebody behind him goes like March, March, and mm hmmm.
He just course gregs the sentence moves on.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yep. And there's been a lot of rumors coming out
about Oh well, hush being Batman Part two? Oh is
Robin in it? And like insider Jeff Snyder said that
Robin was gonna be in Batman Part two to some degree,
James Gunn wrote, guys, please stop believing. Stop believing this nonsense.
I think six of us have read the script. No

(34:15):
one knows anything about the Batman Part two. And then
he reiterated again everything you've heard is a total guess
or made up to someone else. So I'm I like
when he's a little not busy and he can pop
over to threads and just like mow everyone down I do.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
In time wasting. Yeah, it's very efficient for me for
him to just yeah, like I said, mow down an
entire storyline. That's a whole cycle that we don't have
to deal with. It will if he does it loud
enough for everyone to pay attention, Yeah, there will still
be plenty of people recycling Oh my god, check it out, Robin.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Oh yeah, I'm still seeing people answering other people's questions
and comments on all different platforms and be like no
guns to this one, this one those, And I'm like, no,
the fuck he didn't, No, the fuck he didn't you
are a liar, You're an idiot.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, anyway, stop missing from the people. Stop missing from
the people.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Oh god, uh, you want to go a break and
we can we come on back. We can do some DCT. Sure,
all that right after this, Before we get back into
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to the show. All right, I'm well, we're back. I
don't know why I was gonna say I'm back. I

(36:02):
just wanted to come back for Jason.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Fuck him, all right, he'd be going, all right, I'm
back just in a few seconds. I don't know about it.
I'm hello hello.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
All right, Now let's get into some DCT.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Jan the sound of the going back in the saucer.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, so this is gonna be a little muddled because
I didn't do a good job of putting it together,
which y'all are kind of used to.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I think privy too, Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You're privy. Over on the Hollywood Reporter, gun was talking
about I've already finished the treatment for the next story
and what i'll call the Superman Saga, and I'm working
on that and hopefully going into production on that not
too too far away from today. Hey, so he finished
the treatment on the next Superman Saga. Zazlav has already

(37:06):
been talking to the shareholders, like I talked about a
second ago, and he was talking about how he was
how gun was directing the next movie in the super Family,
of course, but then separately because I saw there was
some there's.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
A histe of Zaslav just sort of getting excited and
tell people stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Though yeah he said that, But then that's why I
started off with. Gunn said he's finished a treatment in
the Superman Saga, the next Superman Saga project, you know
what I mean. So because a lot of people there
was a separate occurrence where Zaslav said in film James
Gunn is busy preparing the next installments of the DC

(37:50):
super Family, including Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow, Clayface, and the
Next Wonder Woman, in addition to Batman two, is preparing
to begin shooting Next Sprit among several other projects in development,
and a lot of people were like, oh, well, he's
not doing a super Family thing. Zaslav misspoke and he's
just saying the super DC Superfamily. No, No, these are

(38:12):
separate instances. Zaz left did say Gun will be directing
the next movie in the super Family, and then Gun
went ahead and came out and said, yeah, it's the
next Superman saga movie. See what I'm saying. And I
think Gun went ahead and said that because I think
what happened is Zazlaf said slipped and said super Family bullshit,

(38:37):
and then everybody was like, oh fuck. And then he
was like, oh, next installments of the DC Superfamily in
a later date, including to try to make it like
it was like, oh no, this is the DC Superfamily.
But yeah, no, Gun just came out and said what
he did so we know is some some next project
in the Superman saga. But he's also said it's not

(38:58):
a direct sequel. In terms of direct sequel, that's going
to be peace Maker two. Really yeah, and it does
involve Superman heavily. I'm excited, dude, I'm just like, I
don't know where it's going.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, I mean, other than the fact that he used
the word family, it sort of got us nowhere. We're
back to. We know there will be something that follows it.
And Gun hasn't told us much yet. And I'll tell you,
we kind of know. He just broke it himself, like
a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
M I'll tell you the truth though. What I think of,
especially after watching this Superman movie. I just see that
super Superman family from that Kurt Swan art that you
and I were just talking about, Uh, is like Superman
is Supergirl, and like over the size, it's like his
Kryptonian parents and over his Earth parents. And you know,

(39:50):
you have Lana, and you have Lois, you have all
these Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, all these different people. I
just see this, like this portrait of heroes and villains
and supporting characters.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, the giants like seventies post comic post Cca family.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah yeah, like crypto and streaky and fucking comment and
like that's what That's what I have in my head.
I doubt they'll do all that, but yeah, a super
family meets so many but then like because of the
tone of this last movie, like I've got silver Age
in my head real hard of course, but it totally

(40:26):
could be because Gun likes to pick and choose, so
it could be. You know, we've already got legs fucking
around with clones, so I feel like we are like
a stone's throw away from a Connell, you know, Superboy.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, if he gets another shot, that next one's
gonna be really good. Look at the progress between yeah,
mister Hanson and m between mister Hansoon and ugly David
corn Sweat is a lot of good work.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Right, And if he's merging it with his own DNA,
you know, he's gonna be smarter maybe. Oh, I mean,
if it's Connell, he's got to be smarter. Then Bizarro
or whatever that thing was, I'm assuming it'll become a Bizarrow. Yeah.
Zaslav also has said recently that WB hopes to release

(41:15):
between twelve and fourteen new movies across as four key labels,
only one or two of which will be DC Studios productions.
Some people have been like, that's you know, a really
small amount, and I'm going dass a perfect fucking.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Amount one or two movies over the year, over the year. No,
that's yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
You don't want like four movies a year and then
you're gonna be like Marvel and you're gonna be like, well,
what are we doing here? We're exhausting the VFX houses,
you know, and Marvel's Marvel's scaling back because of this.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Should Yeah, Hey, where do you get the big payoff
when you have four different major properties that are supposed
to like every quarter there are one or two properties
that are supposed to hit and be the big thing,
Like where is the big high I just the big
moment that everyone is gonna talk about where you're gonna
bury it that like the other four shows that month
or that that you are gonna be pissed.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Mm hmmm. I mean this is just movies, though, this
is just movies, and we don't know that. We know
that they're they've already announced Creature Commando season two. They've
announced and it looks like they have it in you know,
well in hand, this Mister Miracle animated series. We've already
got artwork for that show, Like we've got lanterns coming,

(42:29):
there are shows coming. Yeah, fine, we will be fine.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Won't just be episodes of Crypto running around after pigeons.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I swear to god, this fan base. Half of the
fan base is going, oh my god, they're making too much.
It's gonna be terrible. Another half is going, oh my god,
we're not gonna have enough. Three it's gonna be years
before we get any more DC. The fuck is wrong
with all of you. It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I don't quite have a handle on the extremism either
way on that. It starts with it like they're giving
me numbers to start with, which for me is just
very nice, safe place cool one or two movies a
year that does feel instinctively cool to me.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I mean it, it's gonna suck, and like, I mean,
it can when you get like one of them hits
in February of twenty twenty seven or whatever, and then
twenty twenty eight's the and then like November, that's gonna
feel like a drought. But yeah, I mean, yeah, you
do want something every you're like nine months or so
on average. If I had to just ballpark one right now,
nine ten months feels like a decent average.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, nine to twelve maybe, But you know what, when
we have a drought on DC on screen, we just
stop making episodesime. We go a couple of weeks. We'll
go a couple of weeks. Yeah, sometimes sometimes three weeks
between episodes. But we don't have to do it. We

(43:55):
have so much to catch up on, Like there's so
much stuff, like we need to you go back for
Tomorrow Verse, the rest of the Tomorrow Verse stuff, and
there's like like a whole raft of fucking animated films
before that we can go back for, like you know,
George Reeves, we can go back for Kirk Allen a lot, Dude,

(44:17):
there's a lot. There's a lot we can go back,
and uh, I think we'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I'm not worried about ample. Oh my god, dude, to
sit in March.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I'm sorry. I know y'all don't expect me to go
off on a tangent.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Crazy tangent near what sounds like the end of the
news you had available.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh no, no, it's not. It's not. I've got more news,
but you know what.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
That's the part that is slightly shocking then God.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Otherwise, Yeah, no, I'm just uh, dude, in the in
the topic of uh, you know, other stuff that we
haven't gotten to yet. I am so excited because swamp
Thing to series, the live action series has traditionally been
very hard to find. It was put like they did

(45:07):
three DVD releases that was like you know, volume one
and Volume two, and then they weren't popular enough, so
they released the third Shout Factory released like the third
volume on direct from their website, and it's no longer available.
So when you if you go and you look like, okay,

(45:29):
I'd like to watch swamp Thing the series, like the
old series, not the DC Universe one from whatever it
was twenty eighteen or whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Twenty something team. Yeah, like if anyone was wondering, they
figured out by the time you said volume.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Right, this was like the show that was a continuation
of the Wes Craven movie, same fucker playing them and everything,
and uh, you just can't find it. It's really hard
to find unless you're just willing to go onto eBay
and spend some fun, good money. My wife, God bless her,
in her never ending quest to find like nineties television shows,

(46:08):
found a YouTube channel that just has all these all
these like hard to find TV shows in full bulk.
She found all swamp Thing for me and It's like
it's clear whoever uploaded this shit like just ripped them
right off the DVD because they are fucking clear. Shit,
they look so good.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
And like no one has cared enough to stop it yet.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
No one, no one has cared. I'm so excited. So
I've got like a.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Stretch certain amount of patent lie application. I just genuinely
does work that way. Some of it is, I swear
to god, people going eh, yeah, and that that's it.
That's the whole thing right there.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah yeah, And you know, I'm gonna try to get
to it soon and get me a rip of it.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
But the deal, but yeah, I can before someone decides
to care. Yeah, it turns in.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, you know, in trouble. Then I've got a string
of podcasts that I'm producing. This is one of them.
I've got to get edited and put up and managed.
And I've got a decent I've got three Star Trek
Universe or four Star Trek Universe episodes coming up very soon,
and uh, and then I'll be able to get to
it start hacking away.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
At that and then yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, I'm excited about it. Anyway. Sorry, that's a strange
little uh detour, look.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Like in a few weeks. If I've heard nothing about
swap thing, I'm going to assume it has gone mediocrely
it goes really well or really poorly. I feel like
you'll stop and let me know.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Right, you know, I'll, I mean, if you if you
want to watch it, I'll, i'll, you know, move it
up a couple of checks on the prior to.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I doubt it a borderline would like you to take
the first bulletin. Oh, well, you get in the water first, man,
if you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, no, no, no. I used to watch this show when
Sci Fi Channel would air in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yes, so me too. But it like it's fuzzy, fuzzy
memories of of fuzzy TV's watching this show.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, dude. Like I showed my wife the intro to
the first episode, and I had forgotten because they're like
there's like a montage of like different shots in the
swamp and with like you know, names and whatnot, the
cast and everything. And then about halfway through swamp Things
starts a fucking like soliloquy and my wife like grabbed

(48:51):
her mouth in excitement, cringe because of how awful and
amazing this is.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
In a gesture of shot and cringe.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
And then the last bit where he says his name
swap thing, you know, like you see it's like just
like foliage and shit, And then all of a sudden
you can make out the face and it gets real
close up on his face and his eyes open. You're like, fuck, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Where does that rank in terms of like Margo Kidder
sky plumps.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Oh, it's better than that shit, that's better than that one. Okay, yeah,
I think so. I think so.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
But you know, we could almost figure out a multiplication
system for just cringe, and it's based on that that
we could use as a shorthand.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah. Anyway, let's let's let's move along here real quick.
A gun swim along on his podcast with this Peacemaker
podcast has been talking about who's cannon and who's not.
First up, let's talk about matter Eater Lad. He says,
ever since I had to team up with Oh sorry,

(49:57):
the quote from Peacemaker season one was from Peacemaker, and
he says, ever since I had a team up with
matter eater Lad, my sense of what normal is a
little fucked up. And he's he said he watched matter
eater Lad eat an entire Wendy's restaurant. Yeah, because they
took too long with his fries, and Gun says he's Cannon.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, he says.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
In the comics, Matter Eater Lad is a member of
the Legion of Superheroes, which means he's from the future.
He does not exist in present day, and so somehow
he's either traveled back in time to the present day
to hang out with Peacemaker and eat a Wendy's, or
he's a different character who exists in present time. Yeah,
but I'm willing to say I'll accept a Matter Eater Lad.
I think we can live with that. We've decided that

(50:45):
doll Man's cannon. We've decided that bat Might's probably not cannon.
We know the Justice League is a cannon, so I
based on that. I'm like, why is bat Might? Because
I know Gun has talked about how he loves bat Might,
I'm like, why is he not canon?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Like, come on into this. Actually it was fun. I
can give you that.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Okay, give me that because I didn't. I can't listen
to all these podcasts.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
It's it's, uh, it is fun. He explains that because
sort of on a knee jerk reaction, everybody does exactly that.
They're like, why, okay, precise that question.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Why would you not?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Why not Batman?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, his response is pretty much because you just don't, like,
you cannot put that out there. It's the power. He
can't he can't put that power set out there. What
all that means, like he can't do all this other
stuff while there's something that big and like that huge
of a scope, just chilling. It's too big of a
set piece to play with right now. That needs to

(51:39):
stay right now, stay off screen for that kind of thing.
I don't know if he said anything like right now. Yeah, okay,
so I'm paraphrasing what he was. I'm not even paraphrasing.
I'm just giving you the gist of what he said. Yeah,
the takeaway, oh, very phrased.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I'm gonna say something that I don't think i've ever
I never said about Zack Snyder. I never said about
I need a meeting with James Gunn. I'm like, I
got some ideas about Batman. I got some ideas about
bat might I got some ideas about time travel. We
need to talk. I know you don't care for the
time travel. Look, we got a matter either, lad. It's happening.

(52:16):
It's there, like, let's let's just embrace this absurdity.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Time comes like Batman, I think was I So my
memory of that conversation is that he also is excited
about bat Might. It's just that it is the Queen.
You can't like you need to move with the other
chess pieces. Hmm, you don't bring in the ones that
big quite yet.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, understandable concern. I think that is understandable. I mean
it would be hard because like the way a fun
thing you could do with bat Might right now would
be exactly what they did with him in Batman, The
Brave and the Bold, which was use him to comment
on how a certain faction of the fan base is

(53:01):
unhappy that it's not Henry.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
But you remember in Braving the Ball, like he's straight
they straight up. He just took us to a fucking
Batman convention where Paul Deini and Bruce tim are dressed
as like you know, Joker and Harley and angry in
a crowd that want a Batman, more Batman than animated series. Right, so,
like you don't want to rip that off, but man,

(53:27):
I do. Bat Might is the way in to a
certain degree. But you know, I don't want to do
Batman when you don't even have a Batman yet.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, and when it's time, it's it's gonna beautiful. But
that might has to be in a deconstructive era of
telling something that you first you get to had Batman,
and then normal things have to have to happen to Batman,
and then eventually abnormal things happened to Batman. Yeah, and
that's you can't just have Batman, like right out the gate,
what are you even doing?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, but if he's saying that, then I'm assuming he's
also saying, mister, mixy, mix you spit. I can't say
mix you spit lick is off the table.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Mix you spit lick.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I still say it the way that I think it's
maybe that episode dictates, Yeah, where it does the little
images and like them.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yeah, that's the only thing I really remember.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, that is still how I try to say it. Mix, yes,
spit lick.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Yeah me too. So I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Along the lines of people knowing the countries because of
the Animaniac song.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Uh huh. But that is like it's such a big
that's such a big villain for Superman to face. I mean,
you either have to go like world ending, you know,
epic thing all because of this little guy with who's
either bald or balding, little tiny man who's floating around,
I don't know. Sometimes he looks like a giant baby whatever,

(54:56):
like sometimes he's fucking Thomas Lennon.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, well, the here's the fun. Here's the thing I
like about a mix of spit lick kind of story
not so much. Bat might although you can't. But here's
the thing I like about the amp's.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
You don't really have to have a drama storyline. No,
this can just be fun for fun sake. I could
literally just watch David corn sweat fuck around with a
little like sesame streetish vibe kind of mix you spit
lick for a little while and it would probably be
pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Like, no one, no one has to have any really
major scenes here.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Really Yeah, I mean that could actually also, that could
be a totally fun thing to do, just have mix
you spit lick show up. You could even do it
in a TV show and just have it as a
gag where Mixy shows up and for just a second,
like just snaps his fingers or whatever, and corn sweat
becomes cavil Yeah, and then someone's like changing back mixy,

(55:56):
like all right, I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
You I'm imagaging like the same early vibes, like what
the hey, kind of chasing around an imp all day, Yeah,
trying to figure out how to get rid of him,
or trying to figure how to get him to say
his name.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
And you know, it would be still the same bit
from the bat might bring him the bowl. But they
could really could have mixed a spit lick bid like
I hate I hate this guy in every in every version,
every version, and this one's saying, what the hey? You
know God, I think the other one was like, you know,
not impressed or whatever, you know, like I would still

(56:31):
enjoy it. I don't care if it was a rip
off anyway. Moving on, A gun said that kite Man
is not necessarily dead. He said, it may it may
say that Peacemaker has taken down kite Man. I don't
think that means permanently. I don't think it means he
killed him, took him down. I think he just got
him and he's in prison now, so he's still fine.

(56:53):
We could see kite Man. Sure, I think this might
be a walk back. I think maybe he initially meant
for it to be oh, yeah, he killed him. We
have kite Man in this universe who cares kill him.
But then like Tom King wrote that kite Man hell yeah, bullshit,
and kite Man blew up in popularity.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
And he's got to crawl it in. Yeah. I didn't, man,
how did that go down? Didn't wouldn't. Kite Man just
kind of listed as like I've killed zones, like people
had took care of.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I think there was like a newspaper that said Peacemaker
takes down kite Man or something.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Okay, all right, I was wondering how graphic of it was,
if it was a throwaway kind of thing or yeah,
you're right. I mean, I'm sure blood Sport took down
Peacemaker would be a senate that still makes sense here, Yeah,
and then Peacemaker took down Rick Flagg Junior, but mm hmmm,
still different outcomes.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
When he was he was talking to I can't say
the guy's name who played who played Clemson mirn you
know Peacemaker season one, he says, I think Clemson murn
is Cannon. Maybe his face might not be Cannon. If
we want to cast Chuck as something else in the DCU,
but also Chuck could end up playing some other character,
maybe one that isn't so humanoid. So because they were

(58:08):
trying to figure out like, oh, he was trying to say,
like could we get him to play something else or
could he come back? But his character is dead.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I just missed him. And yeah, wish they had written, well,
had a way to write him into season two.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, yeah, I keep hitting my mic. I'm so sorry
for Mike. James Gunn talking about Peacemaker Flash a wonder
Woman references and are they can and he says, uh,
let's see, because he said that Flash is an unbearable
douchebag or d bag, and wonder Woman she did spend

(58:44):
an entire party. I fucking me from across the room.
Gun says, I don't know. We'll have to wait and see.
They'll existed eventually. Whether they exist now, I don't know.
I would think Wonder Woman would have to exist now
somewhere in universe.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Yeah, it's the known runnown part that. Yeah, but she
she has to be alive mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
She has to be a live somewhere.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, and within certain boundaries pretty much should be wonder
Woman by this stage.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Mm hmmm. Yeah, you would think whether we'll see Margo
Robbie as Harley Quinn and Indriss's blood Sport again. Gunn
says that will be revealed down the line. Both. I
definitely am always looking for a place to put blood
Sport and figuring that out. So we'll see what happens.
I really, I hope so like I don't want Margo

(59:33):
to be done.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I don't either. She was great And then I watched
Heads of State after you talked about it. It was funny.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
I mean, yeah, the Jack Quaid, Yeah, the bit was
yeah with him was great.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, but what I'd forgotten, deeply forgotten, was and then
there are just a lot of clips of him and
Interests Johnson and interest just doing whatever, mostly eating Bridish
food that I've seen. Uh, but a lot of fun.
I just forgot how much fucking fun interested it was
with that role.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I hadn't seen it forever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, here's a bad thing. Uh. When my wife showed
me the trailer for it, and I didn't realize it
until just now. When my wife showed me the trailer
for it, I thought I may have even said Oh,
that's fun. They did a movie together.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, I know, I get it. I don't
even think of it as like a they would have
a rapport kind of situation for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, clearly they must. But in the Suicide Squad together, Dave,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
And I know it was an ensemble cast, but they
had some very very deep scenes together. Must have spent days,
at least a couple of days clearly on set and
intimate talks. Yeah, I kind of forgot too while I
was watching Headson State Entirely, they just they just have
a good, good back and forth. They're they're funny together.
They clearly have a good time. It comes across, Yeah,

(01:01:04):
they do, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
So we have some news about My Adventures with Superman
season three. The show runner, Jake Wyatt confirmed that post
production was finished and uh, it won't be much longer
before the third season comes out. And I don't know
how I feel about this, because I've been really excited
about watching catching up on My Adventures of Superman. But

(01:01:28):
it looks like there was some Comic book Convention images
that came out and it looked like that they're adapting
the death of Superman into the third season, and you
know they did that as well on Superman and Lowis. Yeah,
and it was different enough, but I'm also just kind
of tired of I'm tired of doomsday, dude. I'm so

(01:01:49):
fucking tired of doomsday.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, I'm all run out on that mount.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I don't know that we're going to get that though,
because what the what the artwork showed was Superboy and
Cyborg Superman, and you know, I like those characters so
and I really do like of the death of Superman.
Reign of the Superman is my favorite part of that story.
I don't give a fuck about Superman dying. I liked

(01:02:15):
when Cyborg Superman shows up and everybody's like, oh my god,
is it you? And then like Supermoy comes up, and
like Eradicator shows up, and like that's the fun part
for me because like everyone's like, kinda are any of
them the real Superman?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I go back and forth. That was an era that
was so hit or miss for me when I oh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Yeah, yeah, oh wait wait wait he wasn't called he
was a Radicator, but he was calling himself the last
son of Krypton. Yeah. Yeah, that's fucking dope, dude. That
was dope, Like it's a cool note. I'm sorry like stuff. Yeah,
like when I was when I was a kid, like
Superman died and now there's a mysterious cyborg Superman and
now there's like this dude called the Last sot of

(01:02:55):
Krypton and some fucking kid, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
He was the one that was like a little punk
crocker anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Yeah, well that was Connell, you know, before they pulled
him out of that era, and now he's back to
that era. So you know, I do like the leather jacket,
and I thought last time Krypton had like the little
punk rock situation going on too. No, no, no, last
set of Krypton was Eradicator. He was the he had

(01:03:21):
He looked like a full grown Superman, but he had
like like a yellow goggles and then he had like
black or sometimes it was black, sometimes it was darker
blue on the sides of his costume and like a
big blue stripe down the front. But he had like
the giant Superman symbol that the cape kind of furled

(01:03:43):
out of, which I always thought was a better Superman
costume than Superman's actual costume. But you put the glasses
on when you're the superhero, not when you're your secret identity. Yeah. Yeah,
I just like goggles. I like big booster gold goggles.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yeah, I mean I knew that's what that was. What
it was. The giants bothered me. There was something about
this costume that really rubbed me the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Was that, Oh you know, I like that. I like
the bigs and I like the the It felt very nineties.
The giant s is like almost like a chest played.
It felt like the Green Rangers fucking uh gold armor
thing that went over his chest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
But like, I think that might be my problem with
the glasses is they is it goggles yet they just
they look like it's the style of like Cyclops and
Johnny Cage and like an era that wouldn't connect to
with them at all. And then when they're in their
big goggly form, really they just look like my grandmother's
fucking giant blackout glasses.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah, like the glass.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Ship it over her actual giant sunk seagulls s.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Just had his size dilated.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yeah, and uh yeah, Frankly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
You're not supposed to fly when your eyes are dilating,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Actually that's a good point. There's nothing up there. He's
just gonna bump into some very unfortunate birds at worst.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Mm hmmm, all right, and uh, I think this is
our last piece of news, the Aztec Batman animated film
that neither of us are interested in. Uh, the sequels
already being considered. Okay, So Aaron Berger and director Juan

(01:05:35):
Jose Mesda Leone and the Batman actor Hirasio Garcia Rojas
all suggested that there is a plan in place. Uh,
if this one is successful, we already have it mapped out,
says Berger. We now we just need the fans to
show up so that we can convince Warner Brothers to
do that. Rojas went on to say that the history
of the Aztecs and the geographic area means there is

(01:05:57):
plenty of potential for the narrative to continue. Meso America
has more than five hundred years of story, So I
think we have a lot to say with the characters
of DC. And that's pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah, they'll have There's there's a ton there and they
One of our issues was that, like it, we didn't
know who would be following. They'd set up like a
dozen characters, or they kind of character map over a
dozen characters into that yeah, backdrop, it's it's a lot.
It is a lot of characters to play with. I've
got a whole as universe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
To The director outlined how the story of Batman can
manifest in different places and cultures, with a new story
having a lot of ways that it could expand there's
definitely a whole world that was laid out and planned
out for this alternate reality, this else world of Batman.
It's an original story. It's a whole new Batman. It
has nothing to do with the Wayne mythology, a whole

(01:06:47):
new there's a whole new Mexico warrior that is seeking vengeance.
You know, I'm lightly interested. I My thing is, I
just don't I don't like the Aztec stuff normally. Like
I'm just it's like Victorian England for me. Is my
wife as well, like she we're just like we just
don't ye something about it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Fantasy doesn't hit me very well either, Like there's a
couple of you know, backdrops that don't necessarily hit Also,
just the idea of Batman can emerge anywhere, emerging Batman theory.
Not even Grant Morrison can make that work for me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Really, I just I've never dug it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I kind of like it just being that dude's story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Yeah, I'm I'm okay with the idea with you know,
within a multi verse setting. I'm like, yeah, okay, I
guess it could happen anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Well yeah, I mean else world style. Sure, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Well that's what this is, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I just I'm just talking about from an interest standpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah. One of the like some of the Grant Morrison
thing was like he goes back through time and Batman
kind of can show up anywhere. It's the the idea
of like the spirit of Batman can kind of show
up in different versions. It does fine in certain else worlds,
but it's not like an inherently interesting idea to me.
It yeah, really just depends on what flavor you picked.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel like. I'm like, yeah,
you can do it, you know, if people like it.
I love that. I'm so excited that you guys have
a new Batman that you'd like. This is boring as
fuck to me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Also, it also is very mood dependent, Like there are
times in my life where Scott Snyder's absolute storylines would
have probably been the coolest thing I'd heard. Yeah, I
mean I feel like in my mid twenties, especially late twenties,
especially late twenties anyway, at some point in my life,
like if you had told me that Scott Snyder was

(01:08:42):
going to do an absolute version where he shrunk everything
down and did this place that, you know, I would
just be over the moon right now, out of your ship.
Not in the mood one. I'm kind of saturated on
that style of storytelling at the moment. No offense to anything.
I'll catch it later.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
For me, I keep seeing stuff and going like, oh man, nah,
I wish I was in comics right now. Like I'm
not collecting individual issues, so I'm just not like I'm
not up on it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Yeah, you know, it's all filmot to me, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, I'm just kind of sitting over the corner going like,
hey guys, yeah, we'll look. You have a lot of
fun over there. Yeah, I'm just sitting in the cuck
chair watching everybody get down.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
That's a pretty big that's a pretty big axe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Where they come from?

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
What now you say his cape is made of the
ashes a krypton. That's pretty dope.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Oh that is neat see, like the the ideas are
cool on paper, I just have no room in life
for the actual storyline, right the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Second Yeah, yeah, anyway, let's get some feedback. Bustard Barnes
commented it says, I think the Superman sequel could be
war World with Mongol. I think I'd be okay with that.
Like if you opened up the cosmic element of the
DCU and you introduced like different heroes from different world

(01:10:01):
and they all have to fight in this war world,
and then all of a sudden they're like, well, our
newest acquisition, the last Krypto, a Kryptonian, you know, be fun,
the last son of Krypton.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yeah, it can. I think you need a little space though,
before he gets his ass beat that thirdly, again I
don't know, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Well no, you know, he's far away from from the
Yellow Sun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I just mean the one of the things that happens
a lot in this movie is him getting his ass
beat a good bit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Yeah, yeah, a lot. There's some people having problems with that,
seems like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Although surely some of that's in our future. I mean,
he he throws, h he got he telegraphs the fact
that we're going to go to some red Sons with
super Girls, so mm hmmm. We're gonna see what kind
of cosmic settings out there anyway, So I don't know, man,
that might that might have more or less legs to
it once we see what she's up to it for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Yeah, good good, I don't know. All right, We're gonna
have voicemail from Lorenzo Valdez and we'll cut to that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Now, Dave and Jason. This is Lorenzo Valdez calling in
once again. First off, the scene with President Girkos, that
idea of Lex telling him to soak up the blood.
I'm glad that scene's not in the movie too, but
less so because I think it detracts from, you know,
the impact of the moment, and more so because I
don't think that's something that Lex would say. I just

(01:11:25):
I think Nicholas Hold's performance is so it's pretty much
pitch perfect in my eyes, and I don't think that
that moment would have fit for me with something that
Lex would have said. In terms of, you know, the
idea of not seeing the Wayne murder, kal El rocketed
off from Krypton, or Peter Parker getting bitten by the

(01:11:47):
Spider again, I think that it's more understandable to see
the Wayne murder because that moment specifically is why Bruce
does what he does as Batman, whereas kal El getting
rocketed off and the rocket is not why he becomes Superman.
And Peter Parker, you know, given by the Spider, Yes,
that's what gives him his powers, but that's not why

(01:12:08):
Peter Parker does what he does is Spider Man. So
I think it's more understandable to keep revisiting the Wayne
Murder over and over again than it is perhaps to
keep revisiting those other moments over and over again. I
also wanted to touch on, you know, what Gun was saying about,
you know, a character people might not expect, sort of

(01:12:30):
being the central character that you know runs through the
DC universe in a way. My theory as to who
that will be is actually Rick Flagg Senior. I think
that would make a lot of sense because you know,
he was in Creature Commandos, he was in Superman, he's
in Peacemaker season two. It wouldn't surprise me if he's
in Lanterns. So I think it makes a lot of
sense that he would be the Nick Fury, if you

(01:12:52):
will popping up over and over again and sort of
being a through line through James Gunn's DC universe Klina
Forever and no.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
All right, we're back. Thank you so much, uh Lorenzo
for that voicemail. Um okay, so let's talk about Kirk
Coos really quick soaking up the blood. He says he
doesn't think it's something Lex would say. To me, that
absolutely seems like something this Lex would say. And do
I mean, this is the guy who's like just throwing,

(01:13:23):
just breaking cups just to make people clean it up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
He is an asshole. And like Gun had said, like
he you know, he's got nice shoes. He doesn't want
the blood to mess up his shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I do think the scene is too dark and it
feels too much like a joke. I mean, you know,
Gun was laughing when he was talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah, sure, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I do think that it undercuts the drama of it
too much. But I do think it feels like something
this Lex would do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
The biggest probably when we so much the verbiage as that,
there's no need to make him that subordinate at that part,
at that part in your scheme. Yeah mm hmmmm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I do wonder if Gun will eventually redeem his Lex.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Oh, he definitely throws it out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
There, I meaning speech. Yeah, he definitely does throw it
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
He does mention it like, you know, I hope, for
the world's sake, you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, you find the humanity within you or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
That's the gist of it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, or you'll realize that it's the best part of
you two, something like that. Yeah. Uh So, you know,
I would love to have like a live action version
of that scene where Lex gives himself the Superman powers
and then like and you're almost you're like, fuck, oh no,
he's got Superman powers, and then it just like he's
just like, oh, this is how he feels all the time. Yeah,

(01:14:41):
and it actually is the thing that like fucks him
up and goes, oh, I can't be this person anymore,
Like no, I'm a piece of shit. Oh my god,
this is terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Let's talk about the the having to see the Wayne murders.
I don't think you have to see the Wayne murders. Man,
I'm sorry, I don't think you have to see the
Wayne murders.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
It is why Bruce does what he does. But you know,
I feel like most everybody knows that story and you
don't have to see the fucking pearls. You don't have
to see it. You could have like some line of
dialogue and then you know, Bruce looks over and you
see like the fucking painting of his parents or something
like something bad happened to people he loved, and that's

(01:15:22):
all you need to know. Really, Like if for some reason,
you don't know if you've you know, been in one
of these areas you can see in these articles where
people fly over and you see, you know, tribes of
people who have never never experienced anything outside of the
you know that one area never never had electricity. If

(01:15:44):
you came out and you immediately they were like, well,
you gotta watch a Batman movie. I don't know why
the fuck that would.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Be like encouragement, I guess at this point, Yeah, you
want to encourage pluckiness at that stage and the rescue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Right, I mean, I don't I don't know who would
be an exact like I think if I asked my
grandmother in her nineties, like, what, what the how did
Batman come about? She'd probably be like, I don't know,
didn't somebody kill his parents? Yeah, you got a grandma.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
I mean, like even if it wasn't like it if
I don't know if that'd be a two, like two
four six, eight hundred, like what level of Jeopardy question
this would be that the average person would get mm hmm.
But even if you take that off the table, I
think you can allude to it and summarize it very quickly.
You you don't even really have to do a flashback scene,
Like you can just have him describe it a little bit.

(01:16:41):
You can just have him kind of offhandedly say like
my parents were the victim of random violence, like the
it meant nothing. They died in an alley and for
nothing great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Like you just have to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
You just said two sentences and that's the gist of it.
That's all you really needed. But like you really can
just mention it to some extent and not put us
off back through it even if we had to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, and you know, I don't think Batman and the
Animated series ever showed it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I really don't think they do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Braving the Bold didn't show well, they said they were
never gonna show because it was gonna be too graphic.
And then the one time they kind of show it.
They do it a little bit off screen, but they
do have a scene. It takes up about fifteen seconds
in the whole series.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Batman has like a fever dream where he walks them
walk into a tunnel and then the tunnel like comes
out of the ground and a giant gun. Yeah that
was fucked up, but yeah, no, I don't think they
ever saw it. Yeah, so I don't think you have
to see it. Also, man, you are absolutely right. Spider
Man does what he does not because he got bitten
by a spider. He does what he does because he
fucking was a selfish prick and he got his uncle killed.

(01:17:46):
Like so just that there's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
That there is, Although in most Spider Man stories that
I know, they dropped the motivation about Ben dropped pretty
quickly into like, yeah, he's just a good guy. Like
it it's an early polarizing or a catalyst for him,
but like it doesn't really have to stick around that long. Yeah,
I do you know now that you put it that way,
putting the two characters next to each other, I do
feel like every well evening, Bruce wakes up and kind

(01:18:15):
of remembers Crime Alley, Whereas I feel like most days
Peter Parker would wake up and just sort of maybe
not even really remember Ben that day. You know how
grieving really works, where like you know, like maybe like
this the first day, you realize you didn't think about
him for a whole day, and you feel guilty, like
you ever heard that story about things?

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
He just probably has a more healthy relationship with his grief.
It's not a daily drive for him. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Oh, I don't know. I think it is. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
It wakes happen like has a you know, does a
male coup about it every day? Not necessarily, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I don't know. There's there's depending on which Ferson you're
talking about, like definitely not you know, in MCU. But
I guess I've heard a lot of soliloquies about Uncle
Ben and pat great power comes, great responsibility and plenty.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I guess the versions that I'm thinking about that have
full fledged villains and are on their second you know,
Redhead or Mary Jane or whatever, are are like more
well adjusted in that area of their life. But I'm
not sure. I'm not sure that sticks with all of
the cannon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
But I don't know. I think I think Peter's over
here thinking about Uncle Ben, so he doesn't come inside
of m J. That's what I'm that's some kinds think
about baseball and he's just going Uncle Ben.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
No, there are so many better ways, my man, so
many better ways. There's jails can.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
He's got stuck to the ceiling. Of course he's still
he's still looping that Uncle Ben memory in. They're like,
no my selfishness anyway, all right, so uh yeah. Lorenzo
talked about the theory on who the primary through line

(01:19:59):
of the universe, the main character of the DC universe
was supposed to be. He thinks it's Rick Flag. Okay, Rick.
I don't want it to be him, but I can
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
It makes practical sense, and it kind of even a
little bit fits the the gun thing about like it's
somebody you're not thinking, but I feel like he would
be someone that we might be thinking, and the glint
and Gun's eye was just too bright.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I don't think it's anybody that's gonna be even that
that's not the most obvious pick.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
For sure, it's gonna wind up be in a fucking
cat grant.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, he's gonna be when do you think Steve Lombard's
in such good shape?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I knew it, Ah, Bastard. Yeah, it's gonna be a
eve test mocker.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I do think that's that
is a a more i don't know, atypical guess than
what we've been doing. So it's in a better position.
But I still don't think it's good enough. I still
think it's not crazy enough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Yeah, it's the fucking squirrel.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Yeah, it's the squirrel.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
It's the little girl that he saved. The giant beams.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Coming up in the night armor me man all day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Yeah. By the way, I was like watching that Crypto
cartoon and I was like, I think the pigeon just
hung out with the squirrel that Superman saved.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Oh cool, I ain't catch that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Yeah, he was like hiding in the tree in this
or whatever and the squirrel was next to him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
I don't know if it was that squirrel obviously, but
you know I did say that that show's not cannon. Anyway,
let's get out of here. We got another episode to record,
and uh, you got anything else? Cool man? All right,
So we're gonna call it and uh, I don't know
fucking keep some DC on your screen or something. I

(01:21:44):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
It's getting even easier these days.

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