Superman: Doomsday Review

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome in to DC on Screen. I'm your host, David C. Robertson.
This is my trustee co host, Jason goss Hell. And
if you've been keeping up, what we're doing today is
we have put a pin in our rewatch or first watch,
I should say, of the tomorrow verse, because it became
apparent that they were going to start referencing stuff from

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previous universus, previous animated universes. I don't know what all
they're going to reference, but we decided fuck it, just
go on go all the way back Superman dooms Day
two thousand and seven to the beginning of the DC
Animated Universe whatever movies. What is it called? What do

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they call it? The DC DC Universe Animated movies?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I think it was just a DCAU.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
For the longest time, DCAU was the Bruce tim stuff
that started with Batman Animated series and ended with Justicing Unlimited.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, okay, then this like d c U A. Is
this DC Universe Animated?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, that does feel familiar. That weirdly stifled incorrect phrase
does sound kind of familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Uh huh. So we've got Superman dooms Day here, and uh,
you've never seen this before. I saw it back back
when it came out, and I'm pretty sure I may
have fallen asleep. I'm pretty sure I got this at
the Buzz, which was this little DVD trade in place

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that was right across the street from my apartment complex.
Pretty sure I went in there and traded in like
fucking poly Shores Dead or something for it, and you
were the one who owned that. Then I was yeah,
and uh, yeah, I'm pretty sure I just put it
on and fell asleep in the middle of it. So
I did. I did finish it this time.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, for the second of the episode. I'm pretty happy
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, I uh, I think it was better than I
remembered it being, but not by much.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, I don't remember all right, So I don't remember.
If it was your impression of it that I have
hanging around a general one, it's not mine, okay, because
I have no impression of this from any firsthand, but
I had some general.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Do you have any impression of it now that you've.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Seen it, I'm still still a bit light. Actually, if
you just want to skip straight to the bottom part
of my page of notes here, the last note of
mine says, Yep, things happened. Uh huh is my overall
tech of the movie? I have, I have questions for

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you a couple along those lines.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
But all right, But.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, like I vaguely remember as it went on, I
kind of remember thinking someone told me that this was like, well,
I renamed it as the as the story went on,
I renamed it this movie the Death in Return of
just Superman. Oh okay, and it was abe okay, maybe
it was somewhere in there. I learned that maybe that
that they had folded them in and combined some things

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for sake of ease and all that, And then I
remember roughly the idea that it was boring.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, that that was the zeitgeist. That's what I've said
pretty commonly, and I've heard it online quite a bit. Now.
I as far as the other Superman, I didn't remember
that that happened at all. And that's what makes me
think that I fell asleep and just went fuck that,
I'm not doing that again.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
So you just watched the first thirty minutes of this
movie where Superman dies.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Maybe then, didn't That might be the case.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, well, all right, so let me get right into
a critique. This is this is wonderful here shoveling my hands, like,
so it's two movies, it's.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Not one, okay, and yet still is only an hour
and seventeen minutes.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, it's a thirty minute movie about Superman Doomsday. And
then there is a roughly one hour round up forty five. Well,
there's forty five to an hour after that of a
mystery about who the right Superman is. Neither of these
are connected, or these two things are not connected in

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any way, shape or form that I thought was worth
the dam or played into anything like the And I
was wondered, because I mean, it's been fucking forever since
I read the Doomsday thing. I wonder if you've read
it more recently, if you remembered some of this, like
if it was really like that arch wise, did it
feel like this, like no, percentage wise, ratio wise, No,
just no, just this was a bad representation of the story.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
You remember, because you know, it's been a while for
me as well since I read all of all of
the you know, Death Return Story arcs, Reign of the Superman,
all that shit. But it didn't have this feeling.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, there's a there's stuff like I stuff I like here,
but my main problem is the story. So it's hard to.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, see, I don't even think my main problem is
the story. And you know, I don't you guys know
this about me. I've grown quite tired of the it's
not the source of material or they butchered the story,
or it's not it was never gonna be that giant

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ass fucking saga in the comic. Like, it's just you know,
I even at that point when I watched it, my
issue was that it was boring, not that it was
doing anything misrepresentative. Yeah, I'm not like crying about that shit.
Like I've seen people reviewing it over the years and

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looked around being like, Okay, what did other people think?
Some of the people are taking Oh he doesn't have
his containment suit. Fucking who cares? Like, I don't know. So,
first of all, it's not a good it's not a
good look when you already know it's an hour and
seventeen minutes to put like a fucking what feels like
a ten minute terrible opening sequence of clouds.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
And yeah, look so one of my issues back in
the day was that they were doing Bruce Tim's style,
but they changed it just enough to like differentiate it
from Superman the animated series style. And I just didn't
get even looking at this movie, I'm like, why wouldn't
you just do Why wouldn't you just put it in

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that cannon? You know?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, I mean they I don't know, I don't know.
Maybe that was just the rights thing where they just
it wasn't it they did. Yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
No no, because what they wanted to do was set
it apart from the other canon. And they wanted to
I think Andrea Romano wanted to play with you know,
some new cast members, and Bruce Tim wanted to be
PG thirteen and he did. He got PG thirteen. They
didn't want to Sully certain things. Basically he wanted Superman
to be fucking Lois. That was it.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, I mean, and I have a note in here
it says, oh, Tim started in two thousand and seven,
and we weren't aware.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like, oh, I was aware.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I didn't catch it. I mean, I just I did
not know because I and later in life now I've
realized how much of a horndog that man is, and like,
my god, does he want these cartoons?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Fucking It's just odd it's odd. It's so weird. But whatever,
I'm moving and pushing us past that. I'm a little
disturbed by this Superman you talk about, like Superman, like, oh,
it's not supposed to break somebody's neck, you know, Superman
is supposed not supposed to like fuck Lois and not

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tell her who he is.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, Like, I just there was a line right above that,
like tim started thing i'd written down, like the little
bit where they're like you wouldn't uh, you wouldn't use
your heat vision, No, just the X ray And then
they look at the like get the hell out of here,
you know, Like they look at the robot like it's
the family pet and it needs to excuse.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Itself and get out of here.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
SpongeBob, Yeah, let's go find a fuckable room with no
robots around. Like this is just you just all right?
So this is one rit ear. We got thirty minutes
of all I've learned about Superman in the course of
this film, and my major note about it I wrote
down twice somewhere in my notes here, Uh huh was
this movie draws on the credit of what we know

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about Superman far too much. It draws on those feelings
without giving me any new ones to turn through. So
like in the in the first twenty seven or whatever,
a fuck, it was minutes when I looked at that clock,
it was like, all right, I've met a guy that
is a little bit too secretive. He's in the he's
definitely in the infatuation stage with this girl. They're trying

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to get more serious, and like it's he's the one
kind of it seems like he's the held out here,
like I don't, I'm not immediately in love with this guy.
And by the way, on top of that, this and
Hesh's Lois is absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Really, I loved it, loved it.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I thought she was perfect.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I thought she was terrible. Every she delivers every line
like this.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
You know, I didn't terrible. I didn't catch the over
the toppiness of it. That would I would be, I'd
be I'd like to go back and hear it that
way because it'd be fun. But I liked how stern
and snappy it is.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, that person really loved the cadence. So it just
sounded like it was written for Dana Delaney. Honestly, that's true.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
But there's there's a little bit of stuff in here
that I wrote down a couple of lines where I'm like, God,
is that really what's in the book? I need to
look at what's in the book. That's a terrible line.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's not what's in the book.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
But yeah, like she we go through thirty minutes of
meeting this guy, I meet Lois, who I immediately like
way more. She is way more charming in the first
part of this movie than anything else in the movie.
And then I don't. I just don't like Superman that
much if all I know about him is this. So
you're drawing on all the credit of all the all
the borrowed experiences I have of loving Superman. Nah, huh
to take him away, like to watch him go through

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this battle. By the way, the battle looked fantastic for animation. Yeah,
the action scenes in this fucking movie or fucking Stellar.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, it's cool. I enjoyed watching doomsday freaking necks, so
just killing folk, just.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Just eliminating people.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
And I like how like he kills like the assholes
that the poor schlubs we'll say, working for Luthor, and
you feel bad for them. But then like his first
things after that is just like a deer crack a dog,
crack Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Which is weird. And here's my other question for you.
I'll get back to Lowis in a second. I guess
if I do. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
A question.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Was like, what are the rules? So he shows up,
he pops out, there's like a warning from another kind,
from another alien. Raise that's cut. Yes, I'm gonna say
another country, but yes, some cut. He dropped this thing out.
By the way, I did love Lex saying basically using
our planet like a toilet. Yeah, you've got a good

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read on that. Good job.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Uh huh, I think.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
You understand the assign it perfectly.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Lex.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
So yeah, like they just dumped their space trash here.
And then there's I guess that warning and aliense that says,
I'm sorry, this is gonna be bad for you. I
would run.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah, So here was Here was my my feeling on
what Lex said. He is fucking uh basically treating or
assuming the worst about aliens because you know they're immigrants.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
For him, it's a typical Lex trade. It's to be xenophobic.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
So the oh, they're just using the earth as their toilet,
dropping a throwing their trash here? That I mean, why
would you assume that that's what they were doing and
not maybe just they crashed. Maybe Doomsday fucked their ship
up too much and they fucking crashed.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Well I'm basing that on. They like left a little
message like maybe the message is like a pop up message.
Maybe the message says holy shit, if you hear this,
it means the ship crashed and I'm so so so sorry.
I don't know. Yeah, but the guy the kunt in
that message did not look that alarmed. He looked like
he was more like delivering like, well, sorry, it was

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you that's landed on. Good luck guys.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, maybe maybe, but either way I did.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
He comes to he gets to a lot that is
a logical conclusion for him, which I do like because
he's like, look, they can't they can't have. The only
reason they would move it that far is because they
couldn't kill it either or they would have. So what
we have here is by definition unwanted. Mm hmm, Like cool,
your logic flows, but follow my logic here though your

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Doomsday you pop out the thing, You come out of
the thing, and I guess you're did they even give
him like some weird cyborg vision kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Occasionally like, yeah, that was weird.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know what that's supposed to be about.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, I don't either. There are lots of things in
this movie that a'll make sense.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, Like for a second I wondered, like, are we
gonna are we about to put robots in to Hi sack?
Because we don't have to give him robot shit too.
He's fine as is, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
What are the rules?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
So, like he gets out, he kills everybody in the room,
and then he walks around. He sees a deer, and
like they make a whole scene about like he sees
the deer and that poor deer sees him, and the
deer around and he.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Just snaps it there. Yeah, you know in the in
the comic, he's got the combat suit on still or
his containment suit, and he's just fucking around. You're looking around,
and a bird lands in his hand and he goes,
he crushes it. He fucking laughs. He crushes the bird
in the comic and.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Goes, you know what, that makes more sense. That actually
eliminates him my problem.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
He just wants to kill things.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, no, at least then he's just a toddler with
a magnifying glass. And like it and a hill at
his disposal, Like, so then I get it. He just
thinks this is like, that's it, that's his imperative. His
prerogative is to go out and kill these people. In
this movie, it makes it seem more like he was
he got out eliminate, eliminate, you know, all the all
the life forms kind of thing. It just seems real programmed,

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real fucking uh you know, skynet. And then he looks over, oh,
get the poor deer. And then some dog gets it
later and he finds the guy on the side of
the road. But my point was like he looked around
for like it looked like he looked around for the
next life forms, like next life form, deer, what the
checkdown list is, like, well the next life form squirrel?
All right, next life form? Really, Polly, how long could

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he stay on that one hill if he's just going
to eliminate every fucking life for him. But they make
it sound like it's some programmatic thing, and really all
it is is just like he's just I like that
version more that he's just wantonly running through the hills
being like and you should be murdered, and you should
be murdered, yeah, and look, you made it easy, squish quish,
Like it really did bother me realize where's he gonna stop?

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And then he just kind of ends up at a city.
But again that's the whole thing, Like, there is no
purpose to this movie. Even in the first thirty you
show up.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
There is.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
The space toilet situations, we have, we have some flatsam
and jetsam that we'd rather not have. He goes about
killing things. There's a vague idea that there's a relationship
in the mix, and I kind of vaguely know that
there's a Jimmy Elsen round could give or take his
purpose at this point, but like, fucking.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Jimmy Olsen's story was just pointless.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Dude, completely, So there is nothing going on in this movie.
The only thing propelling the movie in the first thirty
minutes is the fact that this bad thing arrives and
it must be stopped because what was the Superman say,
That's why I'm here? Okay, great, Yeah, I kind of
like that. I like the through line of that's why
I'm here. It's a good line.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
That was one of the few things that I liked, Like,
I liked that he was trying to cure cancer. And
they had that juxtaposed with Lex having cured muscular dystrophy
and decides like, all right, it's a simple inoculation, but
we're gonna need to drag it out and make it
a lifetime treatment, like Jesus, you're a piece of shit. Yeah,
And James Marsterers did a fantastic fucking job was Legs.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, he really did, really liked him, Like some kind
of wanted to ask you if they were actually animating
around his like he acts like Spike a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I wondered if it was something that they thought would
be fun to do, was animate the actual Lex character
to look to act like Spike and then have Spike
do the boy. I thought that was fun. I wouldn't
put it past Bruce tim Man.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
So I'll tell you this. My one really big laugh
out loud moment in this movie, not that I was
you know, that's what they were going for, but just
the moment that gave me the most joy in the
movie I actually laughed out loud was when like the
duplicate his clone, the Superman clone, and he's like, oh,
you're not really acting like yourself, and he's like, oh,

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I'm not supposed to like, protecting Metropolis is out of character,
and Lex goes, it is when you make the streets
run red with blood. It's such a fucking normic toddled line.
How was in my mouth? And I'm like almost like
spit it out. Yeah, Ship like cracked me up.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
When you do it like this, you twat.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, he's just anyway.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's it's good. But like that's in the like the well,
that's in the second half in the second movie, I
mean the first Yeah, like the first movie, you just
have we had this unstoppable force that propels itself toward
a city. Superman simply must do something with it. By
the way, great great, great, great moment with the he

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says like she says, like Superman, don't he says, it's
why I'm here. They have the little fingers slipping through
the hand thing.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, well done.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Some really great moments that.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Would even that would have meant so much more if
you didn't show me one Clark being like, well, I'm
off to Afghanistan and then looking sad that she didn't
seem sad, and then surprise, they're fucking and then like,
oh wait, another surprise. He hasn't told her that he's Clark,
even though she fucking knows. And then when she sees

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Ma Kent at the fucking funeral, she's like, huh oh, Like,
why are you shocked? It was established that you knew
you said Clark when he died. You fucking knew. Why
are you acting like you don't? Like the movie goes
back and forth on whether or not she actually knows.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, And that was the only problem I had. Even
when she goes to talk to Tama Kent later By
the way, Sweezy Kurtz, I've never I've never heard a
poorly done word out of that woman's mouth in any capacity.
That actress, all right, one of those character actresses that
like you don't know you know her and when you
see her every time, you're gonna be like that she's
gonna nail it. Whatever's happening, She's about to nail it.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, But I knew the name somehow, but I didn't, Like,
I was like, I don't know what I have seen.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I've just seen her in passing a few times, Like, well,
I say it passed it, but like you know, you'll
see her around. But on top of that cool name,
but like, I didn't love that part about her Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so she goes to Makent's door. I didn't I hated

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how she framed it. It was a good speech otherwise,
mm hmmm. I thought a pretty touching speech. I just
didn't like that she kind of frames it as like,
I don't know, man. I just wanted to kind of
kind of go up and say straight up, yeah, I
know who he was. Yeah, but she kind of talked
around it in a way that was unnecessary because, like
you said, the film doesn't know who what she knows
at any given time.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I feel like there was a lot of editing and
a lot of changing things, like I don't know what
the film. I don't know what the film was supposed
to be. Yeah, yeah, but it's janky as fuck. And
but also Anna Hay, she did do a good job
on that scene where she's crying. Uh to mock in you,
you're right about her there on that one. Yeah, she
did do a good job. Like a lot of people
can't pull off crying and voice acting, but she did.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
She does. I thought she was a good actress in general.
When I've seen her, I'm seen her forever now.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, she's dead Oh that
that'll do it.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah some time ago, did I know that?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I don't think I knew that.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, Yeah, I haven't seen her sometime. Yeah, that would
be uh the death.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I mean, it's gonna stop the scrolling on the
imd PA I'MDB page for sure. Right, you're like, man,
she's really quite recently. Yeah, it's the box. It's the
box she's in.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Decided to retire. It's the car. Yeah, she died in
twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Oh okay, so yeah, knowing that.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Man, it's shocking that you don't remember that, because, like
she's been the subject of quite a few internet conspiracy
theories because the video when she's beat because she there
was she's in a wreck, and they're like, oh, you
could see her in the body bag, but she's moving
around like she's trying to get out, and then, you know,
cooler heads are always like, you dumb motherfuckers. She was burnt.

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That's a burn bag. It was. She wasn't dead yet,
you fuck. Oh yeah it was a rough one.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
That's even worse. Yeah yeah, okay, well that's that's gonna
be a lot actually, speaking of it does fit through,
So I had to make that a seguay it away.
But like, yeah, so when Lois gets h like that,
all right, this little hands slipping through moment right before
Superman actually goes and you know, gets dead. Mm hmm, great,

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great cinematic moment where like his blood pops onto her cheek,
she just kind of wipes it away, like wipes it away,
but keep going. Yeah. Yeah, as much as I'm gonna
hate the story, which is is a it's a you know,
it's a good chunk of a thing to hate. There
was really great.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
That's a chunk of a thing to hate.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
It is because like you're like, well, it's all right
except for the story. Well, the story is seventy five
percent of what you did. Well, No, that twenty five
was really good though, with what you get inside the
parts that I didn't think should have been put together
that way.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, it reminds me of the way you put that
reminds me of one of my favorite bits from the
Danny Thomas show, Make Room for Daddy. It was the
backdoor pilot for the Andy Griffith Show. And Andy says
to Danny, you walk around here with your nose stuck
up in the sky, and that takes up a mess
of sky. That's a good line. Yeah, chuck of a

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thing to hate.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's that's a good line.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
That was my overall point though, is like you you
go between, you go from that. He dies, and then
we just kind.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Of started another movie kind of.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, there is no foreshadowing about how a Kryptonian may
come back, Like, there's nothing. We just started a movie
about a guy in a relationship and then an unstoppable
force came and then he had to die to kill it,
and and we presume it's dead because I saw its
lights power down, which I guess is what the computer
that was doing all the stuff that we never heard

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about did when it was beat up too much.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Ah huh.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
It just like sits there though, But yeah, he powers down,
Superman presumably dies. There's a great line, and the movie's
just over and then it just keeps going. Yeah, I
much like, by the way, I should have stopped for this.
I'm sorry the opening credits. Didn't you already bitch about
them a little bit?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I sure did?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
You did about the things?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
So like he sure did, Jimmy, I sure did.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That might be the most boring opening credits I've ever seen.
In my fucking life did they get confused?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I think what you're seeing is patting.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
That is okay.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
It is not beyond me that this is the first
This is the first thing that they're trying to do.
Really after doing a whole lot of half hour shows.
I think they just made two half hour shows and
some change and went.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean it kind of is. Yeah, Like it's it's
like a long climax episode up front almost like it's
really like part three of a series. Yeah, and then
really the second half is part one and part two,
like a two part episode arc about Sumerman comes back,
and then at the end of the first episode we discover,

(24:23):
oh my god, there is another like the real one's
here though.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah. Yeah, it is very much paced like the first
like whatever it was three episodes of Superman the animated series. Yeah,
Like it's very it's very much paced with like segments
like it does. It does just totally feel like thirty
minute or twenty one minute episodes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Now, one other issue of that that's unique to me
a little bit, but not everybody are not completely unique
to me. I know, I really hate putting the cast
up front on an animated movie.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, me too. Because I liked I was looking forward
to playing it, and my wife is, yes, she's really
good at guessing. Yeah, but like you know, right up
at the front, it's like at a bottlin and hash.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Like fuck and like, I don't mind, you know, the
first couple or so I have to be like, yeah,
you're gonna put the first couple of people in there.
You know I'm gonna it's I know, I'm not gonna
get the very very top build stuff because you're gonna
cheat and let me have that answer. At the rest
of them, I expect to be able to play this
game a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, well when they get the toy man, she did laugh.
She goes, there's Bender. Yeah, you're not gonna miss bender?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah? Yeah. My wife was really good out of that.
She knows, she knows better, she knows more people than
I do. She'll just be like, oh, yes, that person.
I'm like, mm hmm. God.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
She might also have gotten one that I'm just there's
no chance I would have missed. Is ray Wise? Oh,
Perry Mason.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
In this one, his voice is Perry White.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Perry White, I'm sorry. Perry Mason was presumably in another city.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Mm. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I can't remember if he lives in a fictional universe
or completely, or if it's somewhat anyway, but yeah, this parent,
like ray Wise, is such a fucking unique voice, man, Like,
once you register who he is as a unique one,
you will never not hear it again. When you hear it,
it's just such a specific gravel mm hmm. And he
has a tone and there's like a weird aye so

(26:26):
theatrical like, he has one of the best fucking roles.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
That was.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Man, I've not grancted at this, but I've I've talked
you about Reaper several times.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, first episode was directed by Kevin Smith.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, written and directed. I want to say no, no, no,
not written.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I was directed, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, directed, but great the I've gone on about it
a few times, but yeah. The premise was souls are
getting out of hell and mostly just because it's full,
they're escaping, and then this dude has to go around
and kind of collect a few of them, and he
has the poor fortune of being the son of the
sun of the devil, you know, the devil in the

(27:03):
show is played by Ray Wise, and nothing, nothing could
have been done better. I mean, it's flawless. He just
has this regal kind of I don't know, man, he's
so fucking smooth, suave. He's also just gonna take your soul,
you know, And yeah, no big deal, it's not. It's
just you're gonna thank him for it. By the end

(27:25):
of the day. You're gonna think him and tell him
how nice he smells.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
A little little innocent soul plucking.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, you're gonna like, I swear to god, the man
could come up make a bargain for your soul, and
as he walks away, you're gonna be like, I just
I like that guy who who's his dentist? I gotta,
I gotta. Yeah, so goddamn smarty and charming. I loved him,
but you know, completely any voice, I'm sad I would have.
I feel very sure I would have picked him out.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Mm hmm. Yeah, that's that's part of the fun for
a lot of the animated stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
So and I was looking forward to when we did
these things.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I will say I think most of them have an
opening credit sequence. So it sucks.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Well, I'll do what I have to do. Now. With
the Internet in general, I kind of hold my finger
if I can over where captions are in videos. Mm hmm,
if at all possible, I would give anything to change that.
I just wish so much that there was a captions
thing that I could turn off. Yeah, Like, I just
don't want to read the video. That's a book. I'll

(28:25):
read books when I have I just want to watch
the video.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I'm sorry, man.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
But the thing I hate about that is that, like
they're there. Yeah, those are there specifically because you're scrolling
and you can't always listen, right, and sometimes you want
to be able to just watch and get the content,
and they're there, and I use those those times, you know,
mm hmmm. It's like I get that the captions are there.
I just wish I could turn them off, and I
want to. It's my major gripe at the moment.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay, I'm sorry, man, but.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'll have to. I'll get more practice watching these, I guess.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Truly truly the most boring opening to a film I
may have ever seen.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's real bad.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I really genuinely would nominate it for the single most
boring opening I've ever watched in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
It's real bad.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I don't know what could be worse than what I
just saw.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'll tell you what I thought was worse than the
opening sequence. Those fucking lines on Superman's face, Like he's
got like tumors on his face or something. He looked
like a cigarette butt, Like, what the fuck is wrong
with it?

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Looks like someone needs to unfold him before they've filled.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's a carpenter's tool.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, can someone e on the plates out of Superman's
face so I can start this? It's fake.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So I read somebody talking about it because I was
trying to find I did. I found some trivia, but
few and far between. I read somebody on readit talking
about how they were at at the at the uh
the panel at Comic Con or whatever it was where
they actually premiered the movie, and apparently way too many

(30:09):
people were complaining about the lines of the Superman's face.
And the guy said that Bruce tim started getting actively
agitated about it, that people didn't like it.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
They were trying to like show that he's been around
for a while. He's like an older Superman. He's a
little more mature than the Superman we've already seen. And
I'm like, he just looked like it would just look
like he had whatever Seal had, Like, what the fuck
is happening with you?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
A little? It just it looked like he tried to
put his like cheekbones above his eyebrows for some reason.
And I don't like the lines that just extend through
his eyeballs.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, it was real weird. It's like I've gotten cheek fillers.
Like he looks like he looks like current moder Zach Effron.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I mean, yeah, like might I you know what, Actually
that's a good point. He has a zimpic face. Okay,
he kind of has like a like you lost that
weight real quick in your face, the folds didn't quite
like it. May it may or may not flush out completely.
But when you lose weight too quickly, your skin doesn't quite.
It's a little bit of a mixed bag. What your
skin's gonna do? May look great, may need some help.

(31:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Him, actually know what. It's very very much Frank Miller's
Dark Knight return Superman, is it? Yeah, dude, if you.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Bruised him, I would have just blamed him then called
it a day.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Right, don't take me. I wasn't even thinking about it
until like.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Take the heat and say, well, we were trying to
do this just well, I'll.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Show you what I'm talking about too, Like I'll look
him up and see if I can find it. And
oddly they did it better in the Dark Knight Returns movie.
Then they didn't hear. But that, yeah, that that's definitely
what they're they're going for.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean, look, far a bit from me to offer
any kind of advice, and I feel that I have
no experience in whatsoever and in retrospect, which is unfair.
But next time, might I suggest just adding a little
bit of color to the hair, to agent white, a
little little salt in the pepper called a day.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I don't know. I just didn't like it. I didn't.
But you know what I did like, though, is I
liked how shiny a suit was.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
That was a little nice. Speaking of his face though,
something else that bothered me. There's one scene and and oh,
let me get into another gripe real quick. I it's funny,
but I hate it. I hate that he can laser
himself with a mirror. That's stupid. That's stupid, and people
need to stop using it. The mirror cannot reflect the

(32:54):
fucking things that can shoot. Dark side. It's not a
special mirror. You bought it at Target, right, what are
you fucking doing? Like, I hate that trope. I wish
people would stop. It's funny, like I like it when
it's a joke thing. That's a great joke that he
can groom himself in a mirror. But like, no, stop
it anyway he does. I don't even know what he
does to himself that horrifies the beauty shop. Well, he's

(33:18):
able to perform it with his hands, no blood, but
he's got a scar.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Later they may have got they may have gone gone
through their ability to do blood when they had him
vomiting up a river of blood.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That, Yeah, there was a lot. There was a lot.
Oh and toy man, by the way, they couldn't show
you blood when he hit, but his early showed when
they put the blanket over.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
And then they did like the Superman come shot on
Lois's face.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, there was a lot of lot of a cocka blood.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
But I.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Don't know what the oh, yeah, I don't. I don't
know how they were gonna get away with that though.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I don't know. It was a dumb movie. It was
just dumb. I don't know why, Jimmy, I've already said this,
but I don't know why Jimmy the whole Jimmy storyline
where he's he takes the.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Mean traits and then infiltrates again I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I mean, he takes a job with what was it
called the National Voyeur out after the name.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
That is a funnier name. I didn't catch that.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
It's a funny name. I just and then like all
happens is Lois is like, you fucking sell out, Come
help me, and he's like, I like my life, I
like a good bit something, and then he like helps
her anyway, fuck you like this, there's no point in this.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Like some of the by the way, it's another thing,
some of the lines in this thing, like that one
are just weird awkward. Late in the movie, so they're fighting.
Superman and Superman are fighting, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
The clone that Lex replaced Superman with and pretended that
he came back.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, Superman, Light and Superman are going at it, and
he says like there's a moment which I kind of
like the chumminess of these kinds of moments in the
middle of the battle. They're always trying, where like mid
battle you kind of talk to each other like you're
out of shape.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Those can be a lot of fun. Hell, it's one
of the most fun parts of a good action movie
is when you kind of like, I have a moment
with each other here.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
In the fight.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
But do tell like you're out of shape? Do tell
that's the best you got for Superman. Come on, man,
it was pretty rough. I would have been happier with
a grunt.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, weird line.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
But so back to the shop thing. They're like, so
he's he walks into his barbershop. He defies the laws
of God in physics by using the mirror wrongly in
order to perform some kind of surgery out himself. Yeah,
Superman can't heal, like, not that quickly. When he gets damaged.
He gets damaged for a normal period of time.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Like, I'm not sure that's true.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I haven't seen him. I've never seen him be able
to laser himself. And then he doesn't. Like when I'm
imagining healing, I'm thinking like Wolverine healing, Like you can
see the skin fissuring, like fissering it like reaching around
and healing itself kind of thing. You can see bullets
being spit out, all that kind of crap. No, Superman
when he gets injured kind of needs a little bit

(36:09):
of time to recuperate. Like, he gets injured, and it
actually matters. He's down, you know, he needs some sunlight
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
The hell, Right, honestly, it doesn't really matter. It's it
just it depends on the continuity.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Well, but here's my point. Cosmetically though, like there's nothing
in I don't think of that.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean, I guess there's gonna be some weird continuities
in the sixties seventies that will trip up any argument
anyone he forgives. Yeah, you just just have to deal
with that. That's that's life.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I mean, he walked out of the salon and into
the sunlight. That's enough.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I mean, sure, but they were horrified about whatever they
had seen. I don't know what he did that was
bloodless yet also horrifying for them. And then I guess
he walks out and okay, maybe head canon the sunlight. Great.
Later though, he shows the scar uh huh to Lex,
and Lex puts together with oh I'm fucked, and okay, cool,
it's gone. For the rest of the movie. I couldn't

(37:01):
find it. The rest of the fucking film.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Well, they're not going to keep showing this title little scar.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Better you used it instead of a piece of dialogue
and had him point at it.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I did laugh when Lex goes, ah, hell yeah, that
was a good moment. I did chuckle. It wasn't like
a fool on laugh. It was all right.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
I even liked that he just points at his forehead
and that was cool. But I just sort of expected
there to be one little extra pencil mark.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, like he's got not only does he have the
little divot on his chin, and he's got one of
his head.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Now, yes, it's a two divot Superman versus a one
divot Superman right at the.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
End, Right, that's how you tell which one is which.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, I didn't need the black uniform.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, I love the fucking black uniform.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I hate it now. It's let me put it this way.
I think it looks nice. But something else that this
this Doomsay thing reminded me of is that so much
of the story boards the ship out of me.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, like that's fair too.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I don't I think I had have, well two things. One,
I don't think I have the affinity to this story
that a lot of people do. Raised in a different time.
Wasn't exactly where I needed to be for this one
to be a big deal for me. That's on time,
you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, well you read it later, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I read it after it was like a TPB, and
I'm like, I remember reading it literally over at a
kid's house where I was like, oh, you got this
cool flip through and read it and was like, oh,
they really did kill Subman. I didn't. I had never
seen the story. I'd seen news that they killed Superman
because it was news. Yeah, yeah, I hadn't seen it
for myself, and then I saw that and was like,
oh shit, they actually didn't. Then I read through the
fucking motherfucker they killed Superman, and then they like, I

(38:37):
don't remember how much of that story. I really like,
I don't remember what was in that TVB though, like
if I if there was anything about the others coming
back or just no idea at this point in my
life what I read there.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, but I saw someone say point out that the
clone of Superman in this movie was like a combination
of the reign of the Superman, you know, because it
was like a clone like super Boy, he was a
killer like e Eradicator and or the last Son of Krypton,
whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
To call it, and crypt is a hell of a
name out right, the last Son.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, I can't remember what they said about fucking cyborg Superman.
Oh that he was calculating maybe billing himself as as
the true return of Superman. Oh, okay, that's what it was,
something like that, but uh, yeah, I don't know. I
thought it was pretty weak overall.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Here's the thing. I'll give him that. So in terms
of story, let me try to give back some credit here.
If I were going to write this movie and there
were famously you know, the whole big doomsday thing up front,
and then you know, I'm gonna, let's say I, in
my opinion, Dumbley committed to making that my structure, that
I have Doomsday and then and then the Superman come
back thing. M hm, So we're gonna do the death

(39:55):
in Return of Superman, not super in Doomsday. But I
think it would be very wise and not have four
Superman to explain and run around.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Granted, that might have gotten you more material and got
me out of that boring ass fucking intro you gave me,
But like, if you're trying not to tackle four fucking characters,
all of which would require a whole ass explanation. I
could totally seek consolidating him into like just one bid,
big bad that we can have fight later. Mm hmm,
cheaper tell us the same story. You didn't really have

(40:24):
to have all four of those when you go back.
I mean, if I was in the nineties, I didn't
have to have that.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
No, not have to.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's fine. There's a lot of fun stories, a lot
of cool stuffs came out of it when we'd mind
it for it. But they were about as useful and
as useless as the fucking mullets at the same time.
They can stay there too.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah. By the way, I don't think seventeen days is
long enough for him to grow a mullet.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I don't, I don't. You know, well, I feel like
in the early nineties you could grow them overnight.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Just a full on Danny Tanner right there.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, And to be fair to current day, I have
of you know, I see more mullets on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
I hate it. I hate it so much.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah. I keep seeing curly, curly heard mullets and pencil
thin you know, pedo mustaches, that's just that's the look
right now.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
You know, I just hate it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Benson took over. It's just what it is. Everyone's gonna
look like that for a minute.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, I mean, you know, give.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
It five years on average, it'll it'll come and go.
But right now everyone looks like a very in shape,
curly headed pedophile.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well you know they're doing that now because they're rebelling
against what, you know, the real pedophiles who just look
like Republicans, right yeah, just just a bunch of youth pastors.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
You know, I understand that we're all going to have
an aversion to suits for a.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Bit, politicians and youth pastors.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
But yeah, let's not. We don't have to resort to
looking like their mortal you know, enemy. Or it's a
it's it is a it's a it's a strange look
to have taken over. But then like it's kind of
thing of looks right, you can't repeat any given generation.
Everybody just kind of you can only repeat parts of it.
You can only repeat like it's the still smart thing,
still a little bit from this generation, a little bit

(42:10):
from this one, and now it's new.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
M like that.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Unfortunately we have the mullets of the eighties with the
Pennsyltan mustaches. Of what I can only imagine is the
nineteen tens before they found out to grease them out.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Well, there was the uh the Pennsylvan mustache feels like
it was like there was a bit of it in
the forties. There was a bit of it in the
twenties at some point. But then there was also like
a subsect of people in like indie rock. Bob Dylan
did it and he's still doing it right now as
an old man. I don't get that. Yeah, little Pennsylvan.

(42:46):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
McCartney had one for a second. I mean it happens
to the best stab it's dun.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, No, it's weird. It's a weird thing, and I
don't understand it. I don't agree with it. I won't.
I won't kink shame, but I will Pennsylvan.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Must I want to say, even moral to a pencil
than mustache, But that's right.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, man, what'd you think of the murder of Mercy?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Oh god, I meant to even that happened so fast
that I borderline and had to go back, or I
thought about going back and be like, did I misunderstand
whether that was Mercy.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Did they Yeah, it was Mercy.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah, he just they brands her quick.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, Chrise Summer Man, Chris Summer doing.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
The voice of Mercy. I know that.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Angelica from Tiny too.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Thank you God.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Okay, of course I would say Freddy from a different world.
But yeah, I know, I'm not talking to me. Yeah,
I don't know why they designed her to look like
a fucking Olson.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
It is hot. Also, there's a that's the kind of
scene where you're like, look, it plays great in a movie,
but you know it's not It's not a great strategy
as a business owner.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
It doesn't really seem like something lex we get his dirty,
his hands already with.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
He would do it, but only when he has to.
Like it feels like what she eliminated for him is
the kind of thing that that wasn't worth it to
kill her. And also like, you can't make mercies. You
can't just spit those things out and then and then
eventually like can maybe maybe he actually can clone them.
But someone that capable, like in Mercy Grapes, is always

(44:23):
a capable, capable thing. So like someone like that is
the kind of person who would also notice that anyone
who's had that job goes missing and not take it
like as a as a management strategy. Killing like your
queen is not a good chess strategy. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Motherfucker's probably got another one lab.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
You're right. If he's cloning them, then no big deal.
I just have him cleaning them off and pop him. Yeah,
there's any evidence of that. But like, there's clearly some
scenes missing out of this movie.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Oh the way, I as a fan of the alt cultures,
m h, I saw no real reason to make toy
Man look like a scene kid.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Scene kid.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
You know, he had an eyeliner and uh, you know,
longish scraggly hair and you know, black nails.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Oh I didn't catch the bla nails. I just kind
of saw like the I just saw like ratty jacket
and yellow teeth, and like, okay, they just made him
like the tropish basement you know, parents' basement guy.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, yeah, that was a little weird, but whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
He's sort of coated for everything they thought was you know,
meek and despicable, right.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I did think it was funny. He was he he
was operating a toy spider and they had Kevin Smith
down there making fun of the toy Spider. Yeah, that
was fun. Yeah, and I love when Superman or with
the Clone killed him. I was like, hell, yeah he
killed a four year old girl, get him.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, it was It's hard not to agree with him
at that moment.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Mm hmmm. Uh So the expository dumps in this movie
was real, rough man.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
They are hard.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's just Lex walking around, just waxing like a mother. Yeah,
it's like ah, please please.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Well, and here's another bit that's it's exposition. But it's
kind of like the cat Lady, old cat Lady, the
way Superman comes down on her.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, I liked that.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It kind of like it he is. It's overexposition though.
He's just he's leaning into into that cat lady in
a way that like, my god, man, she will never
emotionally recover from that. There's no amount of her keeping
the cat indoors that she's ever going to forgive herself
for like you've ruined that lady's life.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
He totally could have just said, like the one line
like yeah, it's probably not smart to do that, and
she's like, oh my god, yeah no, okay, that's it.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, he leans into her, he punishes her emotionally harder
than he punishes most of the villains in actual DC lore. Yeah,
like she gets like again, she is never going to
recover from that. You've ruined that woman's life period. She's
going to the grave a sadder broker person for your
conversation with her today.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, like it is. It's just bad. But it was
a clone, I know, but that's my point.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
It's an exposition up. Like we we treat one random
lady with a cat so poorly that the movie boy
basically stops just so he can vill it. Like, I mean,
fucking uh, what's his name, doctor Evil style? Pet this
cat too? Yeah, mister Bigglesworth over here, Yeah, he really is,
but like he's we stopped the whole movie just for

(47:43):
him to, just for him to emotionally abuse this woman. Yeah,
and it really is just like, hey, here's what we've
been leading up to. Is the entire idea, but we
couldn't get it into the rest of the movie, partly
because we spent thirty minutes on another movie. But anyway, here,
since we couldn't get this into the movie, here's what
we really were trying to get this guy to get
across and we'll just have yelled at the cat lady
in a way that should make her want to commit

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sopoku on her front step.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, but I don't think I don't think Superman is
so much better. I mean, look, man, I don't know.
I don't know how to feel about a bunch of clones,
you know, but it feels a little dark to just
go lasering them all in half. The real Superman comes
in and just starts fucking it, starts lasering, just killing clones,

(48:27):
just murdering clones.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Well, that part cracked me up. Two about the animation
is he's he's lasering through and all the things are busting,
but like they're not just it's not two halves falling
on the floor, it's whole things, Like what are we
gonna do with that? That is a lot of Kryptonian
organic matter chilling that. I guess I just didn't have
the on switch on a couple of them, because a

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few of them look baked.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, I guess they didn't come back for any of this.
Because but even though there's like a whole stinger of
legs being like hmmm, I'll come back someday.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, it's a stinger where Lex repeats a line from
earlier in the movie, like it it leads. It does
not lead to another universe. It doesn't lead to another possibility.
It's just Lex saying I'll drag in someday, like you
expect the like Looney Tunes thing to to to file
in of what's that? Like that's all folks to pop
in afterwards, like yeah, we're just gonna go back and reseat.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah uh so mmmm one.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Of those other lines, who's your daddy? Come on now?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, Lex was a weird, weird person in this movie.
He was, well, how did I put it where I
put it? Wrote it somewhere a predatory piece of shit?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Like they're they're genuinely are like you know, there genuine
are some stuff in the Bruce tim universe produced things
that are like, yeah, I could be worried about this, bro.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
The kind read of a lot of it is that
he does have a lot of dumb sub coded stuff
around that doesn't always consent coded. Is at the same time,
like there's some fucking stuff being snuck into his shit
that's not even all that sneaky.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
The stuff with with Lax being like when then you
need a big strong man and like making out with
the lows for a second. Yeah, it's a shit could
stab him.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, it gets He does the thing that we kind
of get onto people for doing, like putting characters through
things that you didn't have to put them there. Mm hmm,
not that way, you know, like anyway he does some
of those things that were Yeah, it's it's a little
bit funny to watch the cartoon characters kind of fuck
Like it's a little funny. I mean, I have a

(50:34):
copy of Batman Damned and bat Penis is hilarious. But
like in movie form, especially when you show up looking
for a lot of what is the btas format and
then like hear Satan's wrecked him in the first five minutes.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
That did make me laugh a little.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I was barely paying attention to the movie till at
my first said Sainte direct him, I had fallen asleep
after the goddamn opening credits.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
He's he's that dihod Satan's director. Yeah, yeah, as.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I perked up, Oh we're coming in hot with these guys.
I I let me hold on, let me regroup. I
forgot I forgotten it, said Bruce Tim up front. You know,
that's a good point. I didn't forget it, said Bruce
Tim up front, and it said Bruce timt three and
a half fucking minutes later.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah. Now, I mean, for me, one of my issues
was like Superman takes Doomsday up into space and then
like flips him and like drives him down into the
heart of Metropolis and like fucks up like all the
buildings in the city. And I'm like, you couldn't have
just like Captain Man Space, Captain in Space threw them

(51:38):
into the sun, fuck up the planets, taking him down
into the fucking Sahara.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
And it was not like this the moon, that one's
gonna be more destructive than you think. It go somewhere farther.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
But yes, and it's not even like they were like, well,
we got to still have them do the things, and like, no,
you literally had Superman create a giant fucking crater, destroy
a bunch of buildings, yeah, in the Metropolis, and then
he died. Yeah, And it's only so that Superman could be.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Next to Lowest when he dies.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Next to low is when he dies.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Like he's up at space, he easily can't he could
turn one degree and shoot into an unoccupied space to
do the same thing and damage nothing. But he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Now all he had to do is take him to
the Sun. They're fighting, they do the like both of
them punching each other thing. Uh, and the Superman gets
wakes up just enough to like muster his strength and
kick him into the Sun and then gets tries to
go back to Earth and then like just blacks out
on his way down and hits not as big of

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a crater and then he dies. They can do still
get there now.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I did think about this though, somewhere during the movie
when he was, you know, during the fight, and you're like,
what i'd do with this guy if I had the
same problem. You're gonna get in that space, throw him
into the sun or then like, well, but he's made
to survive anything. I don't know, Like if you just
grab him day and toss him in the middle of
the Sun, I don't know that you don't destroy the Sun.
But I'll give him this. If Superman came back and

(53:07):
like over his shoulder, we saw a giant black hole
form where the Sun used to be, because Doomsday figured
out a way out of that shit. Now I'd have
to look at Superman in that moment and be like,
I don't know, man, you tried your best. Fuck I
didn't know that was gonna happen either.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, I'd be like, I'm not even a mad dude.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
The fuck outs were you supposed to do? You throw
him into the sun? Come here, man, give me a huck.
I don't fuck well.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Look, the movie was profitable. It made ten million in
home media sales on a budget of three point five million.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, because you could finally have a Superman movie at
your house with Doomsday at it.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, like in two.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Thousand and seven, I think it was about it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Maybe part of the problem was that it was directed
by Bruce Tim Lauren Montgomery, and Brandon Vietti. At the'st
three different people.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
They directed three different movies and turned them all end
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah. Yeah, man, A couple of couple.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Of notes here at the end of and probably our review,
but like still at the end, there's like this scene
where Lois, you know, they're standing in front of everybody
and Superman kind of says like, well, you know, what
are what are they going to do with me now?
And like Lois says like, well, you know, maybe it'll
take a while, and then the.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Guy, what do we do with me now?

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah? And then like she acknowledges, well, maybe not that long,
and like it's the movie basically saying, yeah, we didn't
accomplish much, did we. Yeah, the movie at the end
states that it made no difference. Yeah, and does it
on purpose. And then, by the way, on top of that,
the line that really killed me at the very end,
where I was like, all right, I'm done. All right,

(54:45):
that's just I'm glad this one's over. Let's call it.
At the end she's finally like, oh, and call your mom. Yeah, dude,
call your fucking mom.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah. Why any fuck.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Would Lois have to tell you that I'm how to
call your mom? Guy, it's not that like that's not
my style. So much like if she thought I was
dead on national television and you had to remind me later,
I'm assume I need to go to the hospital and
then self checked.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah. Also, to be fair, if you called, if you
were Superman and you called your mom, she would have,
you know, she'd be like, you're an abomination under the Lord. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, So, and there's a lot of you know, we
don't had all that off. And if I call my
mom off and it might be like, hey, what's up,
what's wrong? I don't know. Like now it's a lot
of a lot more utility calls for us, but like
I'd have to call her to tell her I was
alive after she saw me die, right and then especially

(55:43):
after a false me came back. Uh huh. There that
that was a Those two lines at the end did
a pretty good job of pointing out I don't know.
They put a pin in how pointless this movie really was.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Like, hey, it'd be really cool if we did a PG.
Thirteen Superman movie. That's really all it was.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, now it got us some cool less action. By
the way, legit scary. They did a great job with
it where they're in the helicopter and Jimmy looks over
and like Doomsday sees him for a second maybe you
can't quite tell, and then back in Doomsday's gone. I
know how I know how regular that trope is. It's
been around for seventy years. It feels like they did

(56:23):
a great job with it here, and it always gets
me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, that trope.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
It gets to me in a way that like when
you see a spider and then you turn to get
something to get it with, and you turn back the
Spider's gone.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
It activates that part of my fear system whatever that is.
So anytime somebody pulls that trick off, I'm like, oh,
he's gonna get you. I got you.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Oh shit, yeah, he's on the plane. I think I
had a moment where I thought it was really I
really liked when Superman first kind of just like intercepts
Doomsday and punches back and Doomsday kind of slides for
a minute. Do they have this like great little beat
where booms, they stops sliding and just looks at Superman

(57:03):
and cocks his head like the fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, there is like that one actual moment of acting
out of Doomsday just then where he says like, oh,
you're actually worth something, huh, and then proceeds to turn
his burners on and beat the crap out of Superman.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah that was that was fun. That was Here's something
I liked. When Superman brings Lois back home to her
terrorist is exactly Lois's terrorists from Superman the movie from
nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Hm hmm, that's funny. Like the plants, I just like that,
But you were dead right, you're dead right.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
They also, like in the Fortress of Solitude, they had
a ton of shit, like props from like Superman the
animated series, like the Spacesuit. They had like the rocket,
but they also had stuff like the bullet car from
from the Fleisher Animated Shores, one of the robots from
the Mechanical Monsters. Bottle City. Yeah, they had a Bottle

(58:07):
City candor. I liked all that ship, dude. I like
all this stuff. Those are crany X circuit pattern.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I would leave the ones from actual stas out of it, though.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah, yeah, but the fact that they brought in other
stuff makes me feel better of it.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
It does, I agree, that does make me. It frames
it differently. I would probably just leave those out that
if you're going to go through the trouble ruining the
man's face, stick with.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
The Yeah, he's done had all these adventures. I think
that's the importantly what they're going for. Actually, you know,
did you know that? I didn't even know this was
the thing. Adam Baldwin and James Marsters reprised their roles
for the U M M O r PG video game
DC Universe Online in twenty eleven. I had no clue.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I did not no idea he was funny. Like the
first couple of lines when he's Clark. I hated him,
Like I stop the movie to write down how much
I hated this Clark kids voice. That did not like
the high Tenny version when he does his Clark voice.
Don't like it. Didn't like it at the end when
he reprised it. Not a fan his Superman voice, great, Yeah,

(59:15):
he makes a fantastic Superman. But when he pitches up
a little bit and does the what I assume we're
all just gonna call the Kevin Conroy trick from now
to the End of time when he does that to
Superman though it, it didn't sell for me at all.
It was weird and Tenny and I just didn't didn't
like that one. I would have happily done another take
on that one.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
M hm. Now, As for Adam Baldwin, he's been around
the DC universe. He's played Bonk Jonah, hex Rick Flagg Junior,
and Justicely Unlimited. He was York and Static, Shock and
Swim in the Zeta Project.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Jesus, I mean, I don't recognize half of those people,
but yeah, that's a hell of a.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, And James Marsha. Of course it was Lex Luthor
in this movie. Played Brainiac in Milton Fine and the
TV show Smallville. Uh and uh, he was several episodes
of that, by the way, like he was. He had
an arc, the whole arc in that in season five, which.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
You tell me is fantastic. And I remember watching the show,
so I believe you, but I don't remember. God, I
did think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I know, I liked him there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
He's always fintas the only thing I've ever seen him
in that. Let me buy this way. I hated the
Runaways so much that even for him, I couldn't finish it.
But he was doing a good job. I see.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I'm never sure if I just if I like him
or if I like if I just liked Spike and
he always kind of does Spike.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I think it's both, and that that's okay. That's my
personal opinion on it. Actually, I mean, I have no
problems whatsoever with just liking that someone does a certain
role all the time, or an actor who just plays
themselves all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Great mm hmm, So you need you, Lisa Bonet, Yeah,
like what I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I mean, I'm happy for all the chameleons and the
Daniel Days of the world. But also it's fine to
just play yourself like and by the way, the reason
that you eventually get cast for playing yourself is because
yourself is the kind of thing that would work really
well here. So then we ask you to come do that,
And then eventually it gets to the point where people
write roles for you to do the thing that you're

(01:01:24):
good at. Nothing wrong with this path. I don't know
why I get so much shit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Well, because it's not a real actor. They're not really acting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I'll tell you this though, But here's acting. Try the
people who can be chameleons cool great, do one thing
really well, do one particular kind of role as well
as this person is doing that one thing that you're
stereotyping them for. And yes it's one but different skill.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I'll tell you this from from doing videos with you
and Matt, I think, and from just living my day
to day life. I'm pretty sure I'm better at playing people.
I'm pretty good at acting when i'm playing someone else.
When I'm playing myself, it's really hard and I'm shitty
as hell. Like, I'm really bad at playing myself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I could see it I mean it's hard. It's hard
thing to act natural. I mean, yeah, they make it
sound easy in the Beatles song or not even a
Beatles song. But still, I'm I'm gonna make a movie
about a guy who's sad and lonely. All have to
do is act naturally mm hmm. But it is genuinely
hard to do when you just sort of like act normal.
What I do with my hands, what you were normally
doing with your hands? I don't know what I do

(01:02:29):
with my hands. The fact that you mentioned my hands
has ruined the idea that I can do anything normal
with my hands. Why did you even say the word hands?
That was the error. We're fucked now?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Oh man, Well I'm done. Yeah, I think so, I'm done.
I thought this was a pretty bad film overall. It
had some fun bits.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
But uh, I do have one more gripe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
What's your gripe?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Quick?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Quick one that I promise it's fine, It's okay. You
could be long.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Did you enjoy Doomsday? Hogan fucking hair?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I mean it was if I recall it was comics accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I you know what, I can't remember if it was
comics accurate. I don't disagree with that though, It's just
that like when I'm thinking about it now, it is
that ratty ass fucking Hulk Hogan haircut.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I mean, well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Modern interpretations, he just kind of has no hair and
that works out a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yeah, he's kind of got strands, Like he doesn't have
like a mane like he did in this movie, but
he's got like long strands.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Well, like my memory looking back, like there's a reason
Hogan had that's that yellow bandana all the time because
he was completely but looking back between like eighty five
and ninety five, nineteen hundreds, he sort of was working
with like two centimeters of hair at first, and then
that shoehorn turned down to about one centimeter of hair. Yeah,

(01:03:51):
it's a ratty string of hair that was just around
the base of that skull for the longest time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Mm hmm. So like, oh yeah, I'm looking at lots
of different images, and this is why it's hard. It
feels like you're just like drowning in a Mandela effect
thinking about Doomsday's hair because like a lot of them,
he does has like he has like four or five
like long singular strands of hair of white hair. Yeah,
but then like other artists draw him with like a long,

(01:04:18):
lustrous ponytail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Oh I do remember a ponytail, now that you say it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
And then others still give him nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Nothing is the best way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I don't know. Uh you know what. My best way
is never seeing fucking Doomsday again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
That could deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
God, I hate the He's not even a character.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
No, that's he's just a google. He's a force.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Like the most I've ever liked Doomsday is literally when
he crushed that bird and chuckled.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
That's not true, Encrypton. That's the only decent treatment of
Doomsday I've ever really seen is because Krypton.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
He was cool, But I mean he wasn't like enjoyable
as like a character.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Well, they let me this way, They gave him a
for I mean yeah, once he gets into it that
he's just a force. I mean it's there are fun
moments like when he rips off dude's head and stuff like,
but he is just an unstoppable killing machine. There's no
dynamics to it. It's just he's a murder machine. And frankly,
the name murder machine would be more interesting somedays Like

(01:05:18):
he' the Krypton actually gave him a backstory, which is
pretty rare here. I mean I know there he has one,
but he's like if he's a fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Infant, Like, yeah, it's just an infinite that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Thrown into the sun immediately, like it just what do
you do it? So, yeah, there's no personality there whatsoever.
It's one of those boring villains of all time. And
the thing you hate the most about him is they
took the most boring villain of all time and made
him the one that is capable of actually punching out Superman,
which means every writer from the end of fucking time
thinks they have to use it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah. It was like, oh man, oh fucking doomsday, and
people our age are like, yeah, fucking doomsday because you
fucking comic And yeah, the assholes at DC who are
making that comic where like, well, have him fought a
gray hulk? Yeah? I don't know, but that's all he is.
He's not anything other than a gray ass hulk with

(01:06:07):
some damn bones, yeah, protruding from his skin.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
The idea of him would be neat that like, no
matter how you killing me, evolves out of that. But
this is the dumbest version of that. You've got Darwin
over in Marvel that does that better. You've got other
characters in DC that do that better. Mmm. Help, there's
a version of events where I'm not kidding, Flash's fucking
aunt does that better at one point? Mm hmm, there's

(01:06:36):
like it way better ways to do, just to like,
no matter how you kill me, I'm gonna evolve thing. Yeah,
this is an okay thing, but yeah, he's an unstoppable
killing machine with no personality whatsoever. It's deeply boring. I
kind of wish they'd stop using it for a while.
I mean, like there, yeah, I don't mind him come
back occasionally.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
I'll take it back if they if they do like
a smart Hulk thing with him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Kind of but that's what I was getting at. Supermannelois
did okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
God, where are you, Peter David? You know why can't
you be back here on this realm and helping us.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Just need to bar you a fi few seconds if
you don't mind, just can you just come to this
pitch meeting and ghostly for him for just a second.
Like SUPERMANI Lois did an okay job though with because
they took him from one to the other again, installing
a backstory where there wasn't and they do give him
kind of like you were talking about with the like
the moment where this Doomsday kind of flinches his head again,

(01:07:27):
like you you glombed onto the one moment where there
was any personality whatsoever, and thought it was remarkable because
it is. It's the only fucking thing in here that
does anything. But yeah, the actual death of Doomsday in
Superman lois. I have gone back to watch that scene
because it was so good mm hmm, that that last
little look out of Doomsday's eyes where he's like, wait,
just hold on, I know, just just I know I

(01:07:49):
need to go. Just give me a second and push me.
Mm hmm. But it was character development, and they did
that with Doomsday. I didn't sit here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Mm. Yeah. I could deal with no Doomsday or just
a drastic, drastic reinterpretation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yeah, could do with less mullets, which.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Is, you know, drastic reinterpretations. Like he was like, uh,
was it like some sort of human Kryptonian hybrid and
Smallville and something about Zod and Feora they sired him
or some shit. I don't know, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Even remember how that one worked out, dude. It was
it was strange, But that was the one where it
felt like they've created like another character all together and
just slapped the name on him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, but you gotta do something. I can't just do doomsdays.
It's fucking boring. Well, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
That's the thing is, Like, if my own objection to
that is wrong, like you, I can't have it both
ways either. He can't just be like, oh, the character's boring,
you should never use him, but then like, oh, we
did use the but we did change it enough, and
then get onto you for just slapping the character name
on it after you changed it too much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah, you did just do that, didn't you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I I acknowledge that both of those are contradict but
they're both right at the same time. I don't know
the answer to this little riddle either. Guys. Yeah, I'm
right about both, and yet they and yet they're and
yet they're wrong. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
The most impact, if you ask me, the most impact
Doomsday ever had was that bit where Booster's floating in
outer space in the comic and goes oomstay that's pretty
good or whatever that was, whatever that thing was. I
might be remembering that wrong, but I remember as a

(01:09:32):
kid going, holy shit, I don't know who Booster Gold is,
but he got wrecked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Oh, you know what you could do with doomsday?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
This?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Actually, this is doable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
He has to die to evolve, right, Yeah, so you
just make it so he can't die. But you put
him in a situation where you I mean, so they
just put him in a cage. They had him in space.
Just give him an orbit. Put him in an orbit.
Mm hmm, Like put him in an actual perpetual orbit. Yeah,
I know, since like physics doesn't really work that way,
there is no such real thing. But it would last

(01:10:04):
for a few thousand years if you got even close
to it. There are orbits that will last for millennia.
I just throw him in one of those and put
it off till later.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, I just you know, they knock him out long
enough for Lex to put an implant in his head,
and then they put him in orbit. Yeah, with a
really big bag so that he can collect all of
the space junk that we leave up there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Well, he can't hit things. That's gonna give him off
a bit and he'll he'll get out. Like my idea
would be, like he's alive. He can't fly, ah, so
he's just falling through space effectively right for forever? All right,
he can't die, so he evolves. In theory, if he
doesn't die of falling, he doesn't need to evolve flight,
so you just leave him in an undeath, just floating around.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
You know what, I would, honestly do, give me, give
me a DC comic to write. I'd love to, you
know what, I we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I can act. I just can't release it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
I know, well, I mean we could, but it'd be
fan art.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
But yeah, it's either sad or legally actionable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
We're gonna we're gonna do the Spider Man me Fisto thing,
but with doomsday, Like, motherfucker never happened. No one remembers
that he happened. He just doesn't exist anymore. There's no
actual story. It's just, you know, some devil creature pops
up and he's just like, yeah, you know what, I decided,
I don't really like this. What are you talking about?
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
You got a couple of fifth dimensional lamps can pull
it off for you if you wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah, yeah, you could just have bat might or whatever.
Superman's uh equivalent. No, it's not gonna be Mixy because
mix he's not a fan of Superman. You gotta have
you gotta have like a super mite.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Kind But like I said, mix he is like a
fan that's not a fan like he stands.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
We gotta go. Oh God, thank you guys for listening.
Uh Patreon dot com slash DC on screen if you
want to support the show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
We made it to the length of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
We did. We beat the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
I think we probably did. Yeah, I would wager Eye
Opening was less boring.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Fingers crossed man fingers crossed. I don't know if it'll.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Be I said, wager, not guarantee.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah, I don't know if it'll be longer or the
same length once the editing has taken place.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Maybe maybe, But we should have spent the first thirty
minutes talking about something and then changed it and never
spoke about it again for the last hour.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Yeah, we just talked about clouds.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Yeah, abruptly, no segue whatsoever, just.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Uh yeah with soliloquy, and then let's just talk about land.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Masses and then another genre appears clouds.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Yeah, it's a ksmr.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Yeah, I've got a baking recipe when go over Blue
Skies have a red velvet, that's just gonna knock your
deck off, I promise M.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I mean I feel like we do that on every
episode of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
So yeah, yeah, we legitimately might have just veered off
at thirty minutes and not realized it, and we'll never
realize it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah, I realize it. I can. I can. I swear
to god. I can feel. I can feel people clicking
off of the of the show. I start having a
little spasms in my shoulder and I'm like, yeah, I
know what that is. TH's people deciding. Now I'm gonna
listen to something anything else anyway. We'll come back next

(01:13:37):
week or so with with some news. You know, we
got Thanksgiving coming up. Things get wonky around the holidays.
The last couple of months of the of the year
are always like, god, do we even are we even
doing a show? Who the fuck knows?

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Oh well, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you to bet
your bottom dollar that we will be doing a show
before the end of the year about who they sold to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Ooh, I don't want that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
There are no good choices.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
There's not a great choice. Now, there's no thing that
we should want in the mix. There's things that I
would rather have than the others, but that's all. And
there are things that are really bad that there can't
be a possible good read of. It just sucks if
it happens. So it's a spectrum. Yeah, I don't know,
spectrum I mean all right, So when I say that, though,

(01:14:26):
I just mean that they are hoping to and within reason,
most of the things should be in place too. Like,
they'll probably just try to close this in the next
selple months if they possibly can. If they can do
it by literally end of Q four, they damn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Well will yeah mm mmmm. Anyway, again, thanks for listening.
Until next time, keep some DC on your screen. Bye.

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