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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on screen.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, well, welcome in your bastards to d C
on screen. I'm David C. Robertson this Jason Goss.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, Hey, sorry, we're taking aback you go. I don't know.
It's a strange moment.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I was trying what was so strange about it.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I was almost trying to figure out if we were
both here. For a second, it sounded like you were
almost surprised by the fact that you had started the show.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I yeah, well I often am.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Uh so for a moment, I was, I was just okay,
I'm with you though.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm a little beaten today. It's been
a weird couple of weeks for me, and uh, but yeah,
I'm I'm very, very, very worn out. But uh, you
know what, I'm excited. I've got things to look forward to.
A Superman movie coming out quite soon, and Peacemaker season

(01:01):
coming out quite soon, and a new season of Star
Trek that's coming out quite soon. God. Yeah, So it's
busy times. I'm want to take what I can, but
I really hate opening the show with sad news, but
I'm going to. Unfortunately, on May twenty fourth, we lost

(01:24):
a very prolific and well loved scribe, Peter David. He
was sixty eight. This guy was a staple of my
childhood and one of the big reasons you folks get
to hear me rattle about bullshit across two different podcasts.
So Peter David reinvented Aquaman. Let's just say that, like

(01:46):
when when I was a kid, we were kids, everybody
laughed at Aquaman.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, he's the weird I don't know, like he was
the weird short haired blond guy and super Friends. Yeah
that was that was the basic understanding of him.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah, wrote a dolphin, you know that shit to dolphins. Yeah,
skied with dolphins and then rode a giant Uh uh
what is it? What is it called a seahorse?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Jesus Christ, the seahorse and the thing if anyone got
in trouble, he'd stop and call a bigger fish to
come help him out. Uh So not inspiring figure, but
all of.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
A sudden, Uh, he is this gritty, bearded asshole with
a fucking hook harpoon hand. That was all Peter David
and that look that you know, that version of Aquaman
lasted for years and years. I halfway think Momoa wouldn't
have ever been cast if it hadn't been for Peter David.

(02:39):
He had Killer Killer runs on so many titles, Incredible Hulk.
You know, he was the guy that did the whole
multiple personality thing for the Hulk, where you had Professor
Hulk and you have you know, all the different versions
of the Hulk. Uh, the the different well personalities, sorry
might be. In twenty ninety nine, he and Ron Mars

(03:02):
wrote the DC versus Marvel crossover that led to the
Amalgam series Dark horsees Spyboy, two runs of Captain Marvel,
Young Justice, Supergirl, wrote loads and loads of Star Trek
comics and novels, many of which were much better than
any of the television shows. So I'm just scratching the surface.

(03:23):
He also wrote Young Justice episodes and way more than
I'll ever be able to get to. I didn't know
the guy personally or anything. I did get to correspond
with him some in the late nineties or early two
thousand's over email. He was always very kind to me.
And if you're looking for something to get you started

(03:43):
on writing your own comics or really anything, see if
you can find a copy of writing for comics with
Peter David, or the revised edition writing for Comics and
Graphic Novels with Peter David, and that revised version has
a forward by the late great George Perez. Yeah, he
was one of those guys. He was one of those
like they gave him. They didn't do this, by the way,

(04:04):
except they did it for him. They let him have
his own Star Trek series of novels where he created
his own captain and his own ship and took a
few characters like b characters and made them like part
of his crew, and then created some species that are
now like moved over and like legitimized and Cannon.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
That's what would now be called the Scott Snyder treatment.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, New Frontier, great line of novels. Yeah,
uh yeah. Peter David though, like did you ever watch
a Nickelodeon's Space Cases. He did that. He created that
with Bill Moomey, and it was kind of like it
was like a bunch of kids get trapped on a
on a space ship and the spaceship goes off into

(04:48):
uncharted territory and they don't know where they're going. And
Jewel State was on there as a kid. But wait,
this was all way before Firefly, but it actually looks
like Firefly a little bit. Yeah, good lord, what a
what a talent man. He'll be sorely missed as far
as I'm concerned. All Right, we're gonna get to news

(05:09):
now and uh, just start plowing through like a some
kind of sex thing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Something nailed it with that.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I'm really off my game today.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Segue was just.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like a hungry mole covered dick. I don't know. Yeah,
it doesn't work, does it.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
It was shining. It was a shining moment. I'm proud
to be a part of it.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I tried on too.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Next adventure that's not coming fun for me. I'm like,
I'm bored a lot excited about it. If you'll just
exhaust yourself in the middle of this.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Show, I think it's entirely possible.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I'm seeing signs of cracking as we speak. Yeah, I
want to go ahead and a square the show, the
show notes on the drive if I need to take
over it.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
They are, they're on the drive on Superman News. How
about that? You're ready for that? All right?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
So there's been telling full of Superman Blizzard right now.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, it's gonna be We've it's been a few weeks,
a couple of weeks since we've done a news episode,
so some of this is going to be old. Some
of this is like today's new uh Superman early screenings.
Warner Brothers and Amazon have partnered for exclusive advanced screenings
of the first DC Studios film from writer director James Gunn.
The early Amazon Prime screenings are going to be July

(06:35):
seventh and eighth, and it'll be open to Amazon Prime
members via the online retailers Superman Store that is offering
merchandise from and inspired by the new movie. And of
course the actual release date is July eleventh. I am
a Prime member, so I will be trying to get
one of those July seventh screenings if it's around here. Yep.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Like it's not like we have some premiere theater, but
I don't know how they're gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't know either. Now. As most of you know,
and we've always had this rule on the show, I
do tend to say it a lot for new listeners
as we start getting close to film releases, but if
it has been officially.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Released, tis fair game.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
It is fair game. We do not consider it a spoiler.
James Gunn has come out and said that he does
not consider any of this that we're about to discuss
a spoiler. The last two weeks have been absolutely nuts
with Superman toys hitting the shelves. Man McFarlane has DC
Multiverse Deluxe figures of Superman, Lex Lex has his baby

(07:43):
Kaiju in there. They have a solo Baby Kaiju. There
are both regular and battle damaged versions of Superman and Ultraman.
And yes, they're using that name, as we previously reported,
like last fucking year. I gotta tell you, though, we've
been saying that this mass character would be called Ultraman
ever since these toy reports came out, and we've got

(08:06):
a lot of pushback, people insisting it will be Ulysses
or Bizarro and saying we don't know our comics. It's true,
toys don't always get it right. Sometimes they're working from
an old version of the script. But I'm not saying
the character will be actually Ear Three's Ultra Man. You know, yeah,
I kind of think it will be. Yeah, everybody thinking Bizarro.

(08:28):
I feel like James Gunn knows the history, the Clone history.
I think he knows that we'll think that, yeah, And
I don't think he would make it bizarro because of that.
But you know, if you think about it, though, remember
last time we talked about the Hammer of Bravia character,
how he has like that design on his chest that

(08:51):
looks very much reminiscent of Nuclear Man. Yeah, and nuclear
Man in Superman four was supposed to be Bizarro originally.
I think he's I think he's trolling us with that,
but I think I think Ultraman is going to wind
up being the Hammer of Bravia. Thinking back on that

(09:11):
trailer with him shooting with Hammer of Bravia shooting the eyeblasts, yeah,
into that building. I'm like, you know, if you just
have Ultraman pretending to be the Hammered pretending to be
this like character from another country that's brought a bunch
of pain and destruction on the US because of what
Superman did, and he turns people against Superman and then

(09:31):
he's like he throws on a mask and he's like
all right, well now I'm you know, Lex's you know,
a little Hinchman or whatever. I think it's absolutely a possibility.
But anyway, with some of the uh oh god, sorry
I got dizzy, so but we also but the reason, yeah,

(09:55):
the reason I think it actually might be Ultraman from
Earth three is because Gun says the quantum unfolding chamber
introduced in Peacemaker season one, the same one that brings
uh Peacemaker to an alternate universe, and the peace Maker
season two trailer, Gun is saying that technology will be
seen in Superman and will be at the center of
the story in Peacemaker season two. So I kind of

(10:16):
think Ultra Man is the.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Earth three Ultraman, this proper Ultra Man. I'm kind of
feeling that way with a cute little mask on for
a second.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, I'm kind of feeling that that's it.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
In the interest of parsimony, it makes more sense right
now for it to just be that than a convoluted
thing right now for it to be on the packaging,
and it very much is on the packaging. DC's Ultraman
right right there. But like, yeah, it it is going.
They won't be able to just straight up lie about
that this close to the movie. I don't I don't

(10:52):
know has that been done. I don't think that's really done.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
You can just mislabel it right now. That's gonna be
something that this character is called in the film at
some point.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
So for it not to actually be that thing you're
you're you're gonna be, it's a stretch. It's doable, it's douable,
but it is a stretch.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Now, you know, as far as you know possibilities and
this is one. This is a possibility that gives me
pause in believing that it might be or three Ultra
men proper. Uh that fucking long headed alien creature that
looks like he's in shackles standing next to Alex. Uh,
I don't know what he is. He looks like he

(11:30):
could be like true form Jean Jones Martian Manhunter. Uh.
They could probably get away with making his fire eyes
look like the heat vision.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, and you know, I know it can certainly take
Quark on for a real fight and all that.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
But yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Uh yeah, little alien is it. It would be nice
to see an actual Martian. And you know, one of
the things I'm excited about too is we're probably gonna
get a few little glimpses like that of real media
carecharacters that he's just always know about because he's not
He's not being afraid at all of expanding the universe. No,
he's not, and certainly has a plan for going going
heavy with it.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Motherfucker's expanding the multiverse. Dude, wait till we could talk
about Peacemaker here for a second. But Jesus joys. Uh so, Yeah,
the toys from McFarland and Spinmaster and and all are
all over the place. They they've got bags, They've got
all sorts of ship out there. It's like Superman's all
over Like he's on fucking He's took the told the

(12:29):
keyboard and elves to take five. Yeah, he's pimping fudgstruck cookies.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Earlier, Like my daughter went to fucking It, went to
dairy queen pops back with a Superman blizzards, super excited. She's,
oh my god, they they've got a big Superman in
the in the lobby. That means there's one nearby. And
speak to them about what they're going to do with that,
what their plans are with this cutout, like we it
was cool, though. I enjoyed the ship out of this.
Like my my daughter went to a thing and then

(12:56):
came back more excited about a movie I was excited
about because that's how fucking market work. Stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I was just really excited about this, Like I thought
some about else at work today, that just was a
neat experience. It put me in mind of like wanting
a triple cheeseburger going in like Jurassic Park days. M
h it it just felt so damn organic. Again, I
haven't seen this fucking marketing and out of WB and forever. Dude.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, I agree, I agree, And it's exciting. And I
know it's stupid, and you know it's uh, you know,
evil consumerism or whatever whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I enjoy being excited about a stupid thing again. This
is good. Enjoy right now.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
But I don't have you have you seen the baby Joey.
Have you seen baby Joey yet?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
He's a green, a little green toddler, and he's they've
got toys.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Of him, a few different.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Kinds of toys of him. They've they've got these little
like toys that you like, open their little mouths and stuff,
and uh, just they've got like four or five of
them at least floating around.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
But that's good.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Uh, he's he looks like Metamorpho. And we know, if
you know your funny books, you know Joseph Mason is
the son of Rex Mason and Sapphire Stag. You know
that that's fucking Metamorphos kid, And that's why, because you know,
Metamorpho is not supposed to be a fucking bad guy,
so you know that's why he's he's turned his hand
into kryptonite and he's like depowering Superman for a Lex
in that trailer because Lex has got his son, that is,

(14:20):
you know, leveraging him. True. Oh I saw baby Joey.
I was like, ah, it's Joseph.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Uh where was Let me see? I can find this.
It was Enemies in front ofmies. I think there was
a it was an enemies in Frenemies toy line for
some men there.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Oh, I don't know about the enemies in front of me. Uh,
I know.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Packaging, I should say packaging.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think I saw that for some posters that they released,
like the character posters, but maybe there are.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh yeah, you're right now. It was the character posters
that was it.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, that's what Gun said. His enemies in front of
me and Metamorpho was on there.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah. I guess they'll have a slightly antagonistic relations hip
while they're locked up together for a second.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, I think he's I think he's entirely just working
with Lex because of leverage. Lex is making him do it.
He's got his son.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, they clearly end up in the same cell at
some point.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
M And in that and in that second and then
that shot, you see Metamorpho with his hand green like
he's turned his hand into fucking kryptonite. Yeah. I was.
I was at Target earlier today and was actually, uh,
funnily enough, I was inquiring about a Superman display.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Target, like talking pulling people over. Hey, hey, hey, yeah,
if you much, Yeah, what's the dismount on that stuff?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like we were talking about that, and you know, of course,
because I'm overly apologetic, I was like, I'm sorry, buy
buggy about He's like, oh no, man, people have been
asking me about these last few, uh, the last couple
of weeks, and uh, not about the display, but about
the toys, because he's you know, we would get certain
ones in and I'm talking about the spin Master ones.

(16:05):
They those are cheaper and they're for younger kids for
four up, and a lot of the the like the
online toy groups that I'm a part of are just
like shitting on those so hard, saying they're crap. They're junk,
They're shit, And I'm like, you guys know those are
for kids, right, Like they're not the McFarland Adult Collector bullshit.

(16:29):
It's like with like eighty five points of articulation. I'm
talking about, like I don't know five points of articulation, like.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You've shown me. These are they what are those like
twelve inches that are out well.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
They have those too, but these are like these are
like six six inches. These are like six inches. Uh,
same company is putting those out though, and uh, I
mean honestly, dude.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Like that bluish packaging that's on.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, I'm dude, I'm fucking buying them too. I'm buying
it because like you buy them and you get like
pieces of the of the robot number four. So I'm
putting together an Alan Tudic figure and they're like eight
bucks at Walmart. I'm like these these I would have
killed for these when I was a kid. Like they
not only these.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
There's a little pack of three inch guys that are
just oh even like number four to.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean even those.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Honestly, I thought about it, I really well. I went
to I did the same thing. I hopped over and
I was like, man, I gotta get me that cryptocopter.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Did you get that cryptocopter?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I didn't yet. Oh he sent a propaty conifcation I
always say, but I saw it, and but that was
why I saw it, and was like, let me just
add that, and then you know, I went to the
things you might like, kind of chicanery that you might
get yourself into, and quickly I was at like one
hundred and fifty bucks or something of stuff that I
was like, day, damn it, man, I don't I can't
do all Jesus, but this actually looked fun for once.

(17:48):
Uh huh I wanted things.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, I liked it. But yeah, anyway, he had chopper.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm getting that chopper.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Got a target though, saying that you know they've they'll
put it. They have been putting because they haven't had
the display out. He was putting the display out, but
he was like, yeah, we've been getting them in and
then we put them, you know, put a few out,
and then we come back and they're gone. He's like,
so they've been selling out pretty pretty well. They've been
going pretty quick for the last few days, and you know,

(18:20):
we'll just kind of go back and bring more out
and he was like, he's like, I put up like
half of the displayed half of the figures out on
display today and then decided, Nope, I'm gonna go ahead
and put the like the big poster up and actually
get the display set up.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, yeah, before I.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Finish, you know. But yeah, it has been it's been
tough for me just looking for the figures that I
want between the walmarts and and the targets and all,
because like you'll get.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Some perfect example for you though, like, but this this thing,
all right, So this is five figures. It's got ultraman
superman terrific number for you. Uh oh, what's her name?
The machinist, no U engineer, the engineer, that's right, engineer.
I went through a machine's architect engineer. I was it
was break there and.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
So I knew it until you didn't know it.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And then I was like, wait, well I was so
close I dragged you off it.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I think you did.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
So those it's like five of those.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
It was.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
This thing is like twelve bucks.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, but it's got like knee, waist, arm and head.
I think that's those are those are part anyway. There's
a one star review that says, no point, no points
of articulation. Come on, man, it's like twelve fucking bucks
for a bunch of three inch little kids ones and there,
and they do bend at the knee. It's not no articulation.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, then you actually have better articulation than the four
inch figures that I used to get when I was
a kid.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, but yeah, some of that happy mil shit, because
that was that was occasionally absolutely not yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, like the little six such figures I've got, I've
got Superman, I've got Uh Engineer, and I've got Mister Terrific.
I know, I was tempted, Like they had Guy Gardner.
They had Guy Gardner, and they had HOWK Girl, and
they had Metamorpho at Target today, but I didn't buy
them because a Target they're ten dollars and at Walmart

(20:14):
their eight and I just couldn't pull the trigger on it.
But I did buy an exclusive multi pack they had
of the same figures that had had Metamorpho, Superman, Mister
Terrific and then not available singularly Lex and his Kryptonite
armor suit and a little container with Crypto and a

(20:36):
little container with baby Joey and they have slime. They
have slime in there that you can fill those up with.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, no, I'm not ashamed. I bought the I bought
the ones for the kids. So did you at least? Yeah, yeah,
I was. I was very pleased.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I was the one you were talking about with the
where it comes together to make a little number four.
It's beautiful mm hmm oh yeah yeah so almost. Oh god,
if there were if there were more time, I'd flip
these reviews around, find the worst one.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, some of these people.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, it's almost suspicious, doesn't have his ear start. Yeah,
all right, but it was just nice too. It was
it was nice to want things again. I'll I'll get
more as the time comes.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Mm hm oh yeah, well I'll be going back. So yeah,
y'all go out and get you some some Superman toys.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
H We.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Talked about this actually, uh James gunn de bunk to
Fan Theory about his upcoming Superman movie. This was over
on threads Now. At the and at the end of
the trailer, Superman flies up in the sky and then
he like flies back down towards the camera.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Or as I described it, gets his ass handed to
him or something.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Like that, but he doesn't see a lot of people
thought that gotcha. But someone brightened up that image and
you can clearly see he's just flying right back down
towards the ground like that's he's face forward really absolutely.
But when they messed with the brightness, the colors went,
you know, a little wonky, and they these people thought

(22:13):
that he was bizarro and uh Gunn said, haha, is Superman.
It's real photography of David. Uh So like no, no, sorry,
uh now, Isabella Murs said, was talking to the DC
Studios Showcase Official podcast. God, that's a long name, y'all
should be something short like DC on screen.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
It is not a cat name as far as it's not.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
DC loves like That's one of the things about DC
is like they love like fucking around and using the
same like special words. I run out again, like Showcase.
You know, they love they love doing that kind of shit,
And I'm like, y'all are just not helping yourselves with marketing,
that's all that is.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Uh Anyway, she says, uh, Kendra, that's her character, Hawkgirl
is reincarnated, but she's reincarnated for I'm an alien. So
she has all those memories. The story is actually really dark.
It's actually so fucked up that I wonder how they're
going to handle it when it comes to addressing that
she carries all of these memories and the traumas and
the mistakes of her past lives and her body wherever

(23:13):
she goes, so she has a little bit of a
grumpy demeanor. Yeah, she says, I love it. Honestly, it
gives me so much backstory and it's super helpful. But
then also with a James Gun twist, you know, the
self awareness and the comedy of it all. It gives
me the opportunity to sort of make light of my trauma.
I love that he's already put that in there for
her to, like, I don't know, just date and that's

(23:38):
part of her character in her head, and just the
the sentence she's reincarnated from an alien. Yeah, I just
love it. That's just that's my weird DC. I love it.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah. They I think that was kind of the tone
she took with it. I listened to that one, and
it was kind of what she was going for. I
think was like they they were beating around the well,
beating around the area of like Hey, you know how
weird is this going to get? And she was like,
well that pretty weird. Don't even know how they're gonna handle.

(24:11):
It's kind of weird. And yeah, I liked how they started.
She started describing that those well, no, she's got all
these reincarnations and she just carries these memories but they're
not it. It makes her sound like an incredibly schizophrenic
type character that I'm thinking I'm gonna enjoy mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Absolutely, I think I'll makes.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Her kind of is that gonna make her kind of
a prick, kind of a guy Gardner's friend kind of prick.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
She definitely seems like a prick in the in the
Peacemaker trailer. Yeah, uh so another little thing that we
came up with that we were not we but the fans.
But I also said it, uh A lot of people
when Lois in that trailer says did you talk to
you asked the president or about this and it cuts
to Lex, A lot of people thought that was an

(24:54):
insinuation that Lex was the president. And one person was
even saying on threads like, oh yeah, well he's already
said there's no origins in this movie, so Lex might
already be the president, and James Gunn said, there are
no origins, but Lex is not president.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I mean yes, but no, yes, but no, your heart's
in the right spot, but no, not that one.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
So there was a rumor that came out that man.
They said that international distributors have just received the update.
This movie is going to be two hours and two minutes.
This will be the shortest Superman movie since Superman four
The Quest for Peace, And of course that means it's
going to be bad somehow, but gun says that is
not correct. It's almost totally locked, meaning well, you're just

(25:38):
finishing a couple of VFX shots over the weekend that
was last weekend, but that's not the running time. Whole
big articles have been written about this two hours and
two minutes. One guy over at.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
The World God something fully digested by that. Yeah, like
board with media sometimes in that way.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Something Jordan something I can't World of Reel, I think, yeah,
I looked it up, notoriously disreputable website. So don't even
get He used that two hour and two minute rumor
and just went on like a whole thing. He said
he's been asking around and the last the last screening
did so poorly, that they've just been doing manic reshoots

(26:26):
and oh my god, I don't believe any of it.
He said, they cut out twenty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, I'm not in the mood to believe myself either,
but I don't. I feel like I've seen way less
of the reshoot hullabaloo that always happens this time mm
than I have previously now to some extent their word
reshoots and weird shit that happened around the cuts of
the you know, previous movies. So yeah, it always gets

(26:55):
there's a baseline of scoopism that's gonna happen with those
kinds of articles. But if there's more, maybe it's because
something actually there.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
But I mean maybe, But so far, the only people
I've seen reporting on that.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Is the base.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
The baseline bullshit, and the one reputable website that I
saw reporting on it they sourced the bullshit website according
to the World are Real. I'm like, oh god, okay,
but yeah, like, I mean, the whole crux of the
of the ideas that like, oh yeah, well, the last
screening didn't go well and it was too funny. Warrant

(27:29):
Brothers doesn't like how funny it is, and so they're
cutting out all of Gun's humor and they're trying to
make it make sense and he's got to do reshoots
and that's just not happening, y'all. Yeah, it's just not
not like the way they're saying. I mean, I know
that there have been a couple of like small pickups
and stuff, and I know that they continue to tinker

(27:52):
with it a little bit here and there. I don't
think it's like they're saying it is, though, but you know,
it might be. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
He's said there were a few pick up drops for
just yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
He did stuff that wasn't where you wanted it he did.
But you know, at the same time, I get it
because when I first read the headline, I went, there's
the old WB. I know, there they.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Are, ah, the other foots about to drop.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I see here we are. No, But yeah, I since
I can't find it from you know there, it's not variety, Yeah,
it's not. You know remember when like Suicide Squad had
that big variety or vanity Fair or something that was
like just a big thing dropped about. How like they
completely reworked it and tried to make it humor humor
filled and we were like, I don't know, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, so we're not quite Like Suicide Squad is a
a good example because that was we're in this period.
I think at this point in the movie when that
one was released, it was still in the hype period.
But you remember just before the movie where there was
like this weird silence period. Yeah, there was hype, and
then as soon as it actually got to the media

(29:02):
press thing, there was a a week and a half,
two weeks of just crickets after the moratoryment.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm inclined to disbelieve it currently, but I want
to believe the best, which is a it is, you know,
a step forward. Because when we were talking about Black Adam,
I didn't give a shit. I was like, all, probably
right thing. It was like, you know, I'm trying to

(29:33):
be excited about it, but I'm not, you know. And
then the flash we knew it, like nobody even reported
on it because we knew it. Everybody knew it.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Well, yeah, that had been through seventeen writers. Man.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm surprised that movie made it out just at all.
At some point, I became surprised it even existed.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, and you know, I'll be honest. That's one of
my lap my like lingering fears about Gun is how
much he hyped that movie. Instaid it was like one
of the best comic book movies that ever existed, that
ever camp it's ever been, you know whatever, Because I'm like, how,
I mean, I guess get I get it, you're toeing

(30:17):
the line, But how much are you going to be
toeing the line? Man? Yeah, they're like, oh man, it's
the best movie superhero movie that's ever happened. Uh, and
we're not gonna continue it at all.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I have a cynical theory and not cynical theory.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
I would love to hear both.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean, like, the not cynical one is that I
don't believe it's that bad of a movie. It's a
perfectly fine superhero movie with a couple of really spot
really really spotty CGI parts.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
But I would say several really spotty CGI parts. But also, uh, yeah,
I mean it's not that bad. I didn't like it overall,
but I didn't hate it.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
It's mediocre. It's not it's not as bad as it
it's I'm not trying to say it was good, but
it's not as bad as it got called out for
being so maybe he was just saying it was good
in the sense that it's it's the kind of film
that he would have enjoyed making. There really are scenes
in it that feel very gunny, like the microwave and
the baby and stuff like it, Like there are moments

(31:19):
in there that could that I could see him actually
really enjoying. The non cynical view is that he really
didn't enjoy it. The cynical view is that, like, yeah,
I mean he's maybe he didn't mind the movie much
himself either. I guess kind of like it's fine, But
I think there was like a period right there about
when Flash and Blue Beetle came out, where had that

(31:40):
gone well, had they done well, we would have probably
seen them written into this universe and some capacity, and
they didn't. So I think he did to the line
and a lot harder, Like that's my cynical version. At
least he did to the line and a lot harder
than the otherwise would have because it was the last
chance that they could make it, and when the marketing
and the numbers didn't fail, it didn't bear it through.
He didn't have to do it anymore. We're just gonna
move on. And I think Henry the letter that says

(32:02):
we're gonna be on about that too, because we got
to do the whole thing if we're going.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
To do it. Uh yeah, I think, well he's always
said he said his Superman movie was always going to
be separate, separate, Yeah, from DCU, I think, but Flash
fucking up was like the probably the final nail, and
was like, oh yeah, okay, it.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Very much was he he had said though in Well,
there had been insinuations that we had covered that certain
of these characters would probably be continuing, like the ones
who hadn't been written nowt the ones who weren't so big,
they were going to be doing something else, Like we're
basically talking about that point. At some point it got
whittled down to like, all right, Flash and Momoa, we're
in Peacemaker using them or not. And it was even

(32:40):
that was kind of a yeah, we're going to see
and then I don't think the numbers made it worth
it for him. Yeah, So you know, hey, Momoa, I
enjoyed talking to you and do you want to do
that thing you really wanted to do anyway? And you know,
Ezra to have a good afternoon. I'll validate your parking.
I don't know what to tell you, man.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yep, pretty well, all right, Moving on with the news here,
Nathan Fillion said he based his Superman character on a
freaking Golden Girl. Have you seen this? No, he says, quote,
you know, I took my inspiration from the oldest cast
member from Golden Girls, where she just whatever she wanted

(33:20):
to say, just there was no filter.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
She just thank you, a Stelle geddy, thank you. Just
whatever it is, there it is, He's just gonna say it.
Part of his origin was he was at one point
hit by a bus and was in a coma. So
I just say, that's the thing that flipped the switch.
That's the thing that caused a little bit of brain damage.
Now he's just off a little bit.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Just that front alobe never quite did the regulating it
was supposed to do from then.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, And he asked about the bowl cut. He says,
there was some talk about different hairstyles. There was some
talk about some different thing types of things we were
gonna do. I was team cut the whole way. It's cannon,
it's set. I said, if we don't do a bowl cut,
we're gonna hear about it.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
He's damn right he would have.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Meanwhile, you've got people angry that they didn't do the
new fifty two Guy Gardener. Nobody knows what the new
fifty to two Guy Gardener is.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
He just has normal hair.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
We do you have a mohawk or some shit. Okay,
it's just normalized.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
No, he's just got like a short haircut. That's it.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
The ball's goofy ist shit. I hate looking at it,
but it's interesting and fun that it's there. M hm.
I don't like pink either that much as a color,
but it's interesting when it's in the right spot.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You saw this new Superman behind the scenes footage with
the kids, right oh yeah, yeah, yeah, with him picking
up kids, and oh god, I almost cried like a
little girl. Says that he's a lot of fun. He's
like talking to him about like, yeah, I met Cookie
Monstra when I was younger. Yeah, that was it was fun.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
It was absolutely cute.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, I'll put it in the show notes.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I asked you after that when I think it was
I wasn't supposed to cry about this ad, right, Oh.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I got a little joked up at first. Well, I say,
I'm gonna put in the show notes. I mean I will.
There will be a link that you will be able
to follow. It won't be like, you know, the actual
embedded video. I will see if I can embed it
on the website DC onscreen dot com. But you know,
just for you know, RSS feeds, I'm not gonna be

(35:23):
able to embed that. Yeah, the hyperlink I had somebody ask.
Gun says that he was inspired by Godzilla minus zero
in some regard. He says, my goal is to make
a film that depicts Godzilla like Godzilla minus one, but
or minus zero. I wrote one for some but also

(35:46):
has a great human drama. Superman and the flying dog
Crypto also appear in this film, but at his core
is a human story. The relationship between Clark Kent, Lewis
Lane and Lex Luthor is at the core of the work. Yeah,
I think he was. I think that was for Japan
or something that they were talking about that he was
like doing like a thing there. I'm not sure. Speaking

(36:08):
with screen rant, Michael Rosenbaum was asked if he had
any involvement in Superman, and he says, James asked me
to do something fun, so I have a couple of
lines that.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I voice that does something fun.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
He said, Gun is one of my best friends. He's
very loyal. It's exciting. I think he's got a great
vision and he's putting his heart and soul into it
and expressing that because he knows how important the character is. Yeah,
that's I love that Rosenbomb is going to be in
there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, he's becoming a fun cameo to have through the
Gun movies too.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Oh yeah, let's just keep seeing him show up and
didn't do nothing.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
According to the Classification and Ratings Administration, Superman has been
rated PG thirteen for violence, action, and language.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I might still there's like a there's a piece of me.
It's hoping. I'm going to go see this and go, Okay,
I've seen it and I'm comfortable with my daughter's sicket.
Let's bring the six year old.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, I think you. I think should be fine.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
She seems like she actually will go see it with
me and into it. We'll see, Hey, how much? Just
just a spare thought, But like somewhere in Lex's office,
if he has something along the lines of an Alexa
that speaks back to him like a digital assistant. That
would be a fun place to put a Rosin Bolt.
I fell you Alex as a.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I saw someone. I saw someone say he should be
he should be Lionel Luthor. Yeah, that would be a
great yeah turn about I do.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I do deeply feel you know, the CW they were
Oh god, they loved the legacy casting. They loved it,
and it was fifty to fifty And I may be
being a little bit generous with some of that, but
we'll call it an easy fifty. I guess sometimes it's like, man,
that was cute, good job, guys, glad you thought of that,
And then the other times it was a stretch and

(38:00):
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Do you feel like Gun's gonna have pretty good discretion
and taste about that?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I suspect you will. I think my favorite one is
still from Smallville, when he finds the caves with the
Kryptonian writing and then Joerel starts speaking to him and
it's Terrence Stamp, the guy that played General Zod and
Superman two.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Nice. Nice, genuinely, it would we could probably do an
entire episode of just going over. We could probably do
an hour's worth of just recapping the really cute legacy
casting that happens in DC, because man, it is fun.
Sometimes it is.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
It is Oh again, one of my favorites, Batman, The
Brave and the Bold Reverse Flash was voiced by John Wesley.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Ship also good.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah. Yeah, like we said earlier, they did release new
character posters. I mean they had Superman, Mister Terrific, Hot Girl,
Green Lantern, Crypto, all the bad guys too, Leans Luthor
and Metamorpho and Eve test Mocker. Yeah, taking her selfie.

(39:11):
Someone asked Gun about the rivalry Fantastic Four coming out
so close to Superman. Gun says, they come out two
weeks after us. There's room for both. I love my
friends at Marvel. You can find whatever discussions you'd want
to find online. I would focus on all the positivity
around the films instead of getting sucked up in online
fan wars.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I agree, of course, I really do wonder. You know,
we're talking about a very different landscape than when we
started talking about things in general. But you know, two
weeks would have been a devastating thing for a Marvel
movie and a budding universe like that would have been
really go back ten years and that would have been
seen as almost a suicide attempt. Yeah, you're going to
start this universe two weeks before a Marvel movie? You

(39:54):
what I mean? Yeah, I don't. We don't live there anymore,
we don't, I don't. I mean that's for the amount
of people that still spill out. I think two weeks
is ample time, and those those people are still going
to be happy to go hit up Fantastic Four, either
that week or two weeks later when they want to.
I mean, I have just don't see Thunderbolts. I go
to see Thunderbolts like this weekend, probably, and.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I'm so far behind. I haven't seen Thunderbolts so the
last like several Marvel movies. Yeah, yeah, And I you know,
I have no interest in seeing Fantastic Four right now.
I'm so far behind. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I'm still up to date on everything. So I'll go
see him. And I don't think i've actually I thought
about it when well, when this one came out, I
actually realized I don't think i've I think I've actually
gone to the theater for everything so far, in some capacity.
I think I've made it to the theater for everything
that was supposed to be there. Oh except forly not me.
You know what was the Black Widow move? I think

(40:49):
it was called Black Widow wudn't Yeah, yeah, that one,
of course I was here for because I think that
went straight to streaming first, or was possible. It's been
a minute.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I think I think you were able to buy that
one on Disney.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I do not remember any right, I believe that.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I mean, but yeah, I'll I'll still get up for
Thunderbolts and then probably Fantastic before after that, Yeah, I didn't.
Weirdly enough, Brave New World was the first one that
I'm like, I didn't actually go to it, well, I
didn't go to theater to pay for but it was
that they were playing it on the cruise, and that
was just a different kind of experience to just go
wander in somewhere. It's like you wander into a back

(41:22):
room where your friend's playing It's weird.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh it's fun.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
It's like a mini theater and there's just you know,
popcorn outside and you just sort of hop in there
real quick, and there's a bunch of people that have
wandered into the place with you, and they happen to
be playing this thing. It's a strange.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Experience that was weird. It was weird.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I was glad I did it there though it was unique.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
So last piece of Superman news kind of uh Gun
released some short behind the scenes videos on Guy Gardner
and Robot Number four, and uh I thought those were fun.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I loved him.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I'm gonna put up I'm gonna put links up to it.
But one of them is just like Alan Tudic talking
about how Robot number four just has his voice but
he's he enunciates more. Yeah, and uh, it just shows
them talking to the like they've they've built this thing
at listen, animatronic robot. This is not a ton of
cg either.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
And uh it does look cool.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
And then the Guy Gardner thing with Lois yelling that
haircut should be against your vows?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah what what?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah? It was a fun.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
I liked there, a little back and forth. I liked
the glimpse of that universe was to me that like
Lois and Guy Gardner are on fuck with each other
kind of speaking terms already. Ah love that, or at
least if that's not the case. This Lois is obviously
the kind of lowest that just she doesn't require any
any curve whatsoever to immediately establish that that's the relationship

(42:53):
she has with a person. Mm hmm, okay, cool, cool
ring anyway, I'm gonna be rate your fucking hair cut.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
But the other one, that last line in the Superman one,
when four like, you want to take a rest, He's like, no,
can do, I gotta get back into the fray. Oh.
I adored that so much.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm glad you did. I didn't like that line. I
really loved it, or maybe I didn't like the way
he said it. It gave me a zap Brannigan feel that
I wasn't entirely comfortable with. Oh I don't know, like
no time, kiff, I gotta get back into the fray. Oh,
that was how I was taking it.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, But I think that gives it like an extra sincerity.
I read it very much as he was making fun
of himself a little bit during the during the sentence. Yeah,
I thought he was taking the pissotle bit, which made
it way more fun. But I like the idea though
that he's still It's like a quick nod to the
never ending battle moment. Right, Yeah, I'm gonna take a rest.
I can't, but I do kind of hope I'm right
about that, because I thought the line was very much

(43:49):
being facetious, and I would kind of hate to hear
that it is a bit branding Andy, because that would
that would change it for me.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I I it might be. It might be uh
just instead of Brandigan.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
I think you'd enjoy it more if you'd read it
my way.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Yeah, oh, definitely just here and you say it gave
me a relief. I was like, oh, that is probably
how gun would have written that.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
It's a different sliver. I like it more now.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Cool. Yeah, but you know what, Superman is also very
Brandeghany in a lot of ways. Can uh Superman can
be very much like the way Captain America was and uh,
I'll say Weedon's version of The Avengers, Weeden's version of
uh yeah, Captain America. Yeah, very much like a Godden

(44:40):
Country type.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
You know it? You know the New Frontier story better marginally, Yeah,
it's been a while for me, but.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
It's been a real it's a long damn while for me.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Hopefully remember this part of it the way I do.
My favorite version of the kind of brandegany ish version
is that, like I remember a New frontier having very
kind of a sparse amount of Superman, and there's kind
of an amount toward the end where it looks like
he's gonna come in and save the day, and he
kind of has the like I've got this chestwell moment
and like heads in and just get spit the fuck
out and it and like he almost like like the

(45:15):
tone is like, oh, we've got this and how inspiring.
And then they turn after that failure and just sort
of quickly look back like all right, what's next. We're screwed?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
It's a it's a wonderful beat, but it has a
very branding can Field to me, you can hear Kiff
in the background doing exactly what you just did.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, all right, you feel like going to break? I
feel like going to break. All right, we'll be right
back with a bunch of peacemaker news. Stick around all right, boy, hottie,
are we back from break? That's the hell of a break. Yeah,
here's a fun nugget. It is the next day for us.

(45:56):
We went to break last night and I suddenly got
very sick, like I knew I had to pee, and
then you know how sometimes you got to pee and
then you're like, oh, in the middle of it, and uh,
it didn't hit me until I got back and I
sat down and we were about to start recording again.
I was like, nope, Oh this is terrible, this is
not her work. Had hit me like a ton of bricks, dude, Like,

(46:19):
I just couldn't continue with the show. I don't know
if it was food poisoning or what, but you know,
it kind of worked out because what it means for you,
dear listener, is uh, you get answers to questions that
we have already posed in this episode, such as.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
So part one, part part two of part one, Yeah
so Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
The AMC theater websites had Superman listed for two hours
and nine minutes, and uh, Gun confirmed two hours nine minutes,
including credits and post credits.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I can't remember friend times. Yeah, they do include that
though when they say this is the run time that
the okay.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Right, And then someone asked if the rumors were true
that Warner Brothers demanded Gun make Superman shorter and cut
out all this stuff. Gun said zero truth to that,
and they couldn't even if that's something that they wanted to.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
It is a DC Studios film, Yeah, they they operationally
only have so much control over the film at this point,
which is the best thing that could have happened to
Warner Brothers, just for them to not have any operational
control over their films.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, I think I'm According to Gunn, you know, the
only person he actually reports to is Zaslav, like DC
Studios is a separate entity.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, And you know, there was some shadiness, not shadiness,
there was some shakiness to our understanding, is like, was
that gonna be a creative impact of all? It really
does just sound I'm like, as long as he's reporting financially,
diasas off is what it sounds like that he's not
having to report, Yeah, the direction of the film. He's
reporting the bottom line of DC Studios, which is fine.

(48:12):
Like that that would be the kind of setup we
could all dream about. Yeah, it has to take money,
but otherwise leave alone.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, please, I'm hoping that. I mean, I know that's
a very kind interpretation. Events. I hope, I hope I
have that right.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, I mean that's that's how I have understood it.
And you know, you get reports coming in saying like,
well they're making them change. I'm like, yeah, all right,
well that sounds true to form.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, we're gonna we have what's called learned helplessness. Are
they gonna change the last minute?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
We're like, it happens. Sorry. Yeah. Also, we brought up
yesterday that gun had released all these posters. Well he
released more.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
He's got Jimmy, He's got Lois, got Perry, Steve Lombard.
You know, so there are more character photos.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I was gonna look in the background character posters.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I should say, Hey, Dave, here from June sixth, and
I'm sitting here editing, getting ready to post. James Gunn
drops this. It's a picture of the Daily Planet crew
and says our last visual effect shot has just been
finished and dropped into Superman. We are now one hundred
percent done. Thanks to all of my collaborators. It has

(49:32):
been a joy. And for the rest of you, I
can't wait for you to see the movie July eleventh.
So Superman is done. We were just talking about that
in the episode. Thought i'd share that with you guys
before we push this one out. All right, let's move
on to Peacemaker. That's where we were heading before all
this went so terribly terribly awry. And by the way,

(49:53):
I didn't say anything. I don't know why I didn't
really give my opinion on it. Two hours of nine
minutes says God's plenty, as my grandfather used to say,
got gods plenty. Yeah, my grandpa used to get mad
at me.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
He was a peanut farmer, get mad.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
At because I would eat like I would when I
was a kid. You know, I would. I was like
going through crazy growth spurts and whatnot, and I would
just like, they've seen you.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
You're quite tall.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah I know, I'm I'm six three and big guy.
And I would, uh, I would just pour myself a
bowl of cereal and wolf it down and then have
another bowl of cereal, big bowl of cereal at corn
flakes or whatever, and then like I'd hit like three
or four, and at some point my grandpa would just
be like, now that's gonna be your last bowl. You

(50:44):
have had God's plenty. That is.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I can't remember if I've heard that in real life,
but that is a hell of a Southern phrase right there.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, he was awesome. That's good.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Anyway, I do like two and nine because two and
nine I'm just gonna translate to like too ish two
o two and real screen time here and like, yeah,
I did it.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
What two and a half is?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Would start to feel like, ah, man, it's gonna be long.
Anything below two, I admit, would have been a little worsome.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
You know, everybody was kind of give, oh, it's gonna
be the lowest sense. Quest for Peace. I'm like, I
was fine with Quest for Peace. Runtime. It was every
fucking else. It was everything else in that movie.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I had the runtime that sucked.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Why does everything have to be two and a half
three hours?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Something No, it was like two twenty something. Oh it was.
It was. It was long.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
It was long, twenty three.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It was long for me and my bladder.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, I agree, it was gonna be which you know.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
The Superman the movie, there were three. The theatrical version
was two and twenty.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Three twenty three, okay, yeah, god, and the and Man
of Still was two twenty three.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I didn't think it was that, but that's that's the
googling of it is telling me that it's two twenty three.
And now I'm wondering if that was done on purpose, that.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Would be funny. It would be And also Google has
been very wrong about these things very recently.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
So, yeah, the little bought at the top is questionable.
It's not the best botto in town. The other bottom.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
It's not that.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I'm actually not kidding. You can make them do it.
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
And what was also funny is like recently a lot
of the rumor mills have been coming out and saying like, well,
here's here's what Superman has to make. They have a
budget of two hundred and twenty five million and they
have to make seven hundred for it to be a success.
And I'm like cool, Uh, Man of Stee's budget was
two twenty five Yeah, where are you getting this number from?

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Like, I just I don't trust any these people.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
It's funny, though. There's a little one of the little
running bars here. One of the Google features has run
times under it like ZSGL four two some Returns two
thirty four, Justice leading too flat, BBS two thirty one.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
It already has Superman with the logo listed under it
as two nine.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Now they were right on top of that.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
One yesterday it said, uh, it was saying two o two.
But also for Superman the movie, Google was saying two too.
That's what I'm saying. It is like it's been a
little awfultly.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
That's true. I wonder what the IMDb reviews are for
Superman the movie right now. I don't know, right, No,
I mean Superman twenty twenty five the movie.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Oh, I don't know. I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Curious there's because inevitably there's gonna be like a couple
of reviews here, and it's going to be as though
they've seen it and you ask us have not.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
No, they haven't. Absolutely haven't. Peacemaker Man, you go do that. Yeah, yeah,
oh right, hell yeah. You know, Gun and Sina were
at the uh CCXP and they talked a little bit.
They've been talking a little bit here and there different places.
I don't remember if this actual stories from the CCXP actually,

(53:57):
but I didn't write it down.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
So at some point it was a memorable looking stage.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
There were somewhere you can get me the thumb nail
of it, mm hmm, I can't.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Then we'll carry on.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
He was talking about how Superman and Peacemaker are very
much connected. He says, once I was done with Peacemaker,
I had to do Guardians three, and then when I
was about ready to jump back to Peacemaker. I got
hired to be the head of DC. As soon as
I got that job, I made a couple of calls
and the first one was to Kevin Paige, telling him
I'm taking the job ashead of d C.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
The second one was to John Seaven telling him to
suck eggs.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
The second no, dude, I don't know know. He's like,
all right, if this works, we're gonna have some we're
gonna do like a DC versus Marvel thing. Yeah. Ah,
he didn't say that. He didn't say that. I'm just
hoping Kevin plan. The second one was the second call
was to John Cena. He said, I'm getting this gig
and I still want to do Peacemaker, but it's gonna
have to wait. We're gonna have to get Superman working first.

(54:59):
As soon as I was done writing Superman, I was
able to write season two of Peacemaker. I know it
seems like a long time for other people, but for me,
it all seems awful short because there were so many
things I did in between. I developed it along the
way in conjunction with the other DC projects that we
were doing, so it's very much connected. To Superman, and
it's very much connected to what comes after. I had

(55:21):
a rough idea of what I was going to do,
but it was actually quite different than what the show
ended up being. I'm so excited about Peacemaker. I'm I
dare I say it, I might be more excited about
Peacemaker than Superman.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I don't think I am, through no fault of its own.
It looks fantastic. It's just that it's just that Superman
going well cannot be superseded by anything for me personally.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I yeah, I really hope it goes.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
It's just impossible. It's no offense to peace Maker whatsoever.
I'm excited about that.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
As well, well, my favorite. Like, I am very very
excited about Superman in a different way because with Peacemaker,
like I really really enjoy those those weird, quirky, niche
characters where they can really do something special. Yeah, but
you know, I might walk out of this thing looking
at the Guardians movies and looking at what I'm seeing

(56:20):
so far, how very fucking silver age it all feels Superman.
I might walk out of this thing feeling like it's
my favorite movie of all time.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I don't know, it's possible. I hate feeling giddy because
I feel like I'm gonna like I'm setting myself up
to be a fool, but I'm actually excited for once
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I am more excited about
this than I've been about all this than I have
been about DC since uh, you know, the the dreaded
cul de sac statement.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yeah yeah, I was like, yay, oh, I've got sucked
out of everything for the third time that week. No,
all right, so uh on one sidebar or competent you
reminded me, but all of that, And it occurred to
me earlier this week when we were talking about some
other stuff that we we haven't really talked about Batman

(57:15):
at all, And I just want to point out that
that's an accomplishment, like to have enough around other things
that the public isn't clamoring for yet another Batman, because
I mean, do love them some Batman.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
They have been I mean, the public has been bitching
quite enough about the Batman Part two not coming out yet. Yeah,
and we do talk about that on the show a lot.
But I just.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
There's a version of events that I thought we would
be in right now then we're apparently not. I just
thought there would be a whole, a bigger strain of
people seeming holdouts of excitement, that were saying, but show
me the bat, or I'm really not that interested in
the Superman thing, and it doesn't seem to have gone
that way. It seems to be a lot of people
are just like, no, no, no, no, we'll get to that,

(57:58):
or even haven't really thought about it yet, just excited
about what they're seeing, what's in front of them. I
dig that.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Not worrying about what's not in front of you in
this universe, because we did a lot of that in
the last universe, and I didn't think. I don't think
it worked out well for us all emotionally, is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, there's it's fun. I'm over on Facebook. I'm seeing
less and less people being actively vitriolic. I think they're
just slowly withering and dying. Yeah, yeah, and I'll say
that and then we'll get a bunch of hate mail.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
But yeah, the last gasps or little periods of where
they get their strength back, I guess, but we'll be
passed it.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Yeah, alrighty, so.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Oh? Yeah, Gun said something about a big cameo and Peacemaker.
We I think I touched on this a little bit yesterday.
He said, you've seen what we call the QUC, the
Quantum Unfolding Chamber in the very first season of peace Maker,
and we see more of that technology is super Man.
The QUC is the center of the story and piece
Baker season two. Yeah, we talked about that. We see
a lot of different characters from Superman in the season,

(59:08):
including Isabella and Nathan and Sean, those being a hot girl,
Guy Gardner, and Maxwell Lord, and then we see a
bunch of other characters later on in the season from
other parts of the d CU and from Superman. There
might even be one really really really big cameo near

(59:29):
the end of the show. I want it. I want it,
I want it. Whatever it is, I want it. It's
gonna be green harrow. I want that less.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I want that less. You'd still take it me?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Okay, all right, I would absolutely take it. I would
absolutely take it, absolutely, Yes, Greg Dilla Hunt, let's do that.
The other hand, I just had a whole lot of arrow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Hey, what if at the end of that Glenn Powell
shows up and it's a gold outfit. Oh oh, the
casting we all want anyway, come.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
On, Yeah, I think i'd think Glenn Powell is a
Booster Gold.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Absolutely, It's the most obvious fucking thing in the world.
It's chocolate and peanut butter, man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I mean yeah, it is the current currently the more
most obvious thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I hate it, by the way, I hate how show.
Obviously you'd have to pay him more, almost out of
respect for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah. And also I would like to point out at
this juncture that our show has now been around long
enough that at some point we fan casted uh Vince
Vaughan and Owen Wilson. God, we did, and I don't
remembers as Booster and Blue Beetle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, and they'd still be fantastic. We did a great
job there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah. I don't know what they're up to now, but well,
you know, uh, Vince Vaughn is doing fucking what is
it called Bad Monkey over an Apple A great show.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Actually, yeah, Owen's doing another Apple show him. I just
saw that it was the title hit the title dudes me.
Wilson just I just saw a draft of whatever that
is that he's doing over an Apple TV with Mark man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Hmmm, I don't think I knew about that. I have
to look at that. It was a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Pardon me wants to say, like, yeah, we could see
whatever they're doing these days. We could see Vince Vaughn
and Owen Wilson do like a an older version of
Wait that will work for Ted?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
We may have passed the casting time for for that pair.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, I mean, I could see if we're still sticking
with I may in this universe. But you know who
played Ted.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
And the Blue Beetle movie was Will Wheaton, Yeah, which
I was delighted about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he was. On the other hand,
I was like, I mean, are we just kind of
ignore Jason Sedeikas as the perfect Ted?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
That was the dead courd is Jason Sadeka's Come on,
he would be good? Come on anyway. I mean, I've
come to respect Wesley Crusher and from Next Generation a
little more in my older age. But I mean, I
love stand by me, but don't give a shit about
Will Wheaton. Dude, come on, come on now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
I just sort of I think I'd just like him
as a concept. Yeah, yeah, just a just a nerd
hanging around doing herd things and making a living out
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, and he was like, he was like unseen, you
just heard a voice. So I think if I saw him, he.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Does have a weirdly recognizable voice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, he showed up on a nightvel at some point,
and there you didn't have to stop and ask yourself
who that was. It was clearly Will Wheaton had been
invited into the studio. Okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, uh yeah. I think if I saw him in
the flesh as Ted Cord, I would laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I would be like, no, well, that is a good point.
He is he is supposed to be a bit fit,
and I don't see anything as a gym rat long
enough to make that fill out there should be better
off as Booster, who kind of is only like a
former athlete fit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I say this was sly Honestly, I think Will Wheaton
keeps the hangar in his shirt so it'll appear that
he has shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, I know I know the type.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
It felt mean I feel bad now, not enough to
cut it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Enough to worry about it. Really your internal dialogue really,
if I could expound, it wasn't enough to cut it,
but enough to move on anyway. The next part.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, James and John Cena, we're talking about to Entertainment Weekly. Uh, hell,
they were going to have to change. I'll they've changed
the season two Uh the opening for season two, I
should say, and uh, we've heard this before that they're
going to be doing a new dance sequence. He says,

(01:04:12):
I'll give you an exclusive. You get to see Eaglely
try to dance for the first time. So that's really something.
He is not the best at it, but he tries
to really join in the dance sequence at the end.
He's got a little pose this time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
He's got a little pose this time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Yeah. And they were talking about how he why they
had to change it, and he says, well, we killed
every one of the first seasons. Yeah, there weren't the
sound of yeah, he said, everyone died. Yeah, he said. Also,
we have a lot of new cast members. Ten Meadows
is Langston Flurry, Saul Rodriguez is Sasha Bordeaux, and Michael
Rookers in the cast. Judo Master is a bigger character

(01:04:54):
this time. So I knew that I needed to do
a new dance he says, this time around hanging around
now like there's oh yeah, so this time around everybody
looked at it through a different lens, knowing how much
the audience enjoyed the first one. We knew this is
going to be a cornerstone of the show, so let's
dive in. Everyone gave their best in season one, but

(01:05:15):
I just think people now know the importance of it,
and hopefully it shines through in season two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
They're I mean, my understanding of that, I want to
say it was Jason Lee's wife that didn't oh, but
my understanding of how that came together was that the
attitude was very much like he wanted to do this
weird thing, and they just it. It just sort of
came out of the idea of wanting to do something
weird for the opening, and they just sort of achieved

(01:05:43):
that and had fun doing it, and then the rest
of us, to put it very mildly, dug it a lot.
Yeah it's great, So like, yeah, I guess they're coming
at it now like, oh shit, we gott follow that.
My favorite, my favorite thing last time was just some
and reposted thing about the first time you see the

(01:06:03):
theme song and you know it's a guy sitting on
the bed real scared. Second time you see the theme
song and it's like you're kind of scared, but you're
like your foot's moving a little bit, like the third
time you see the same song and you're standing up
at the edge of your bed doing the moves. Like
but yes, that was my favorite part. Is I saw
the first one. It's chaos. I don't know what I'm
even doing, and like, yeah, by the third or fourth episode,

(01:06:24):
it was the thing I was most excited about starting
that episode.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
It really does set the mood, it gets you into it.
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I handed up with a weird little ads playlist for
a second off a couple of those.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Oh yeah, you have little hano of rocks going on.
So apparently Peacemaker is gonna be the only property DC
is bringing to Comic Con, which makes sense Superman will
have already come out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yeah it's mid July. It's like third week of July.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Usually, Yeah, something like that, So have that in your head.
Don't be thinking we're gonna get like I think like
he did say that, like he would be just guessing
certain things during the panel, like during the Q and
A and stuff. So while Peacemaker is the only thing
officially coming, he's gonna talk about some other things, So

(01:07:10):
he's gonna drop some shit. M Uh gun confirmed a
time jump of a couple of years for Peacemaker season two.
He says, we'll get to see how out of Bao's
outing of Project Butterfly and Waller's argus ops fell out,
some of which is Rick Flagg Senior being in charge
of August now and coming for Peacemaker and uh, you know,

(01:07:31):
for trying to kill Flag Junior and suicide squad or
for killing him in the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
He's trying to accomplished that kill.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah. Uh. Entertainment Weekly did a first look on Peacemaker
season two and we found out who Michael Rooker's character is.
Do you already know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I know nothing about this guy. You'll have to explain
whatever it is, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
So in the photo, he's like he's got like a giant,
like fucking musket over his shoulders. He's dress like a
Native American wear. He's got a long coat, he's got
a like a bowler hat, and he is, as Gunn says,
red Saint wild and he's the world's foremost eagle hunter

(01:08:14):
who was on a mission to kill Eaglely. We thought
Eaglely was probably the most popular character from season one,
and so in season two he has his own story
with his own nemesis played by none other than the
despicable Michael Rooker.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
That is an excellent choice for season two. Guys, Yeah,
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
I knew nothing about the guy that other than it
was gonna be an eaglely tied thing. He's he is, right,
I would die for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
That eagle yeah, whole cloth character though he is not
from the comics. We all thought Snowflame.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
That was the name that he ran across that right, we.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
All thought he was gonna be storting coke, and nah,
that's not always possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I mean, Michael Rooker plays an number of characters and
most of them might be doing coke in the back
room at any given times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
M Now Sina said that the at the CCXP in
Mexico this last weekend, said, James Gunn just said he
wants me to wants to see me fight Batman. That's
what he said, and then gun added and lose he'd
have to, and Sina says, I don't mind losing a fight.

(01:09:25):
I'm a seventeen time champion. I don't know if you
know this stat, but that means I had to lose
it sixteen times. Yeah, so I don't mind losing a
fight at all. Yeah, Uh, you know, I don't. I
didn I didn't have any audio of that, but uh
it sounded like a norm MacDonald quote to me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
It does. It's a good joke. He does typically, or
he does generally, seem like a pretty well adjusted person.
As far as I can hear. I can tell a
lot of cheery work and whatnot. It seems to be
pretty well minded.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, you've heard that, like the Balance. You've heard that
Ron Funches bit where he's talking about how John Cena
spends more time with uh, with kids in the hospital
and special needs kids than anyone else. Have you heard
this bit where he's like they decided to go and
support him on his lasting Yeah, like all these special

(01:10:16):
needs kids are like hanging out and they didn't realize
that he was going to get his ass be yeah,
and he's like they're crying. There's not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
That really must have been one hell of the night man,
because like, you can't you can't actually tell. I think
that's a like I think that's the thing in general.
You kind of don't tell people what's going to happen.
In any capacity. And there's a general tradition with wrestling
that you just sort of you never give them. You
never actually are supposed to answer the question straight and

(01:10:47):
just say it's fake. You're supposed to wink and you know,
move on or something like. Yeah, it's a whole set
of traditions there. But like, oh God, explain later. Yeah,
hell if I understand some stuff about wrestling. I think
some of it really kind of is decided in the
ring to some extent, like they play with the crowd
and like you know, the winner might kind of not
be who you thought was going to be out that,

(01:11:08):
like they may not go according to script.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yeah, I think it might be a bit like curb
your enthusiasm, like they know what the outcome is and
they have certain plan fits.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
But yeah, the retroscript and then my understanding though some
nights it may change on like that while you're out there.
I've just heard these stories of like like the crowd
reaction dictated, like everyone kind of knew, like you know
it would be better, and you know, you just m provit.
And then a couple there have been a couple of
like there's a famous little incident with like Brett Hart

(01:11:35):
getting sucked over in Montreal. I think it was where
he was not supposed to lose that night and like
they actually, like the ref came in and called it
it was but it's a stage show, so it was
over it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah. No, there was one where one of the Hart
brothers weren't supposed to lose the way they did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I think that's the one I'm referring to because it
was a it was like his home totown. He wasn't
supposed get They were supposed to let him retire with dignity.
And Vince McMahon Vince mcmandon, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
No, this guy fell and broke his neck and died.
Oh his brother.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was another Vince mc manning.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
I don't think, so very different. I don't think that
was a Vince mc mannon.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
It was a very did situation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah. I think that was a he felt the wrong way. Yeah, yeah,
the heart. That's why that's why a lot of these
guys get mad when people call it fake, because it
is not fake in that way like they're actually performing,
they're getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
It's it's a real it's a real hell, it's in
the physical sense. I've been told. It's more like, think
of it like a dance with just bigger people and
weird moves that aren't you know. I mean, like, yeah,
you're doing just a lot of flipping around each other,
a lot of you know, counterbalancing with another two hundred
and fifty four hundred pound body, Like yeah, yeah, dance
situation more than anything.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Mm hm anyway, uh uh, answer the question this Peace
mc ray hero. Gun says, at the end of the day,
Superman's a great hero. He puts himself on the line.
Batman dark guy. He's got some demons, but trying to
do the right thing. But Batman's got nothing on peace
Maker in terms of the demons. He's a really troubled soul.

(01:13:05):
And this season, I think in some ways it's more
about Christopher Smith than it is about Peacemaker. I don't
know if I think of him as a hero. Gun
asks Seen if he thinks Peacemaker is a hero, and
Sena says, he's a hero for me. Peacemaker saved my life.
You literally brought Peacemaker back from the dead. Peacemaker is
a hero for me. I can say that, And Gun says,
I did planned on killing Peacemaker in the Suicide Squad. Yeah,

(01:13:27):
he says, I liked working with John so much. I'm like,
it's just a flesh wound.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
We'll just write it out. Yeah, I kind of forget
sometimes he was supposed to be dead.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, did you see you watch the behind the scenes
video right the decision? So yeah, we get confirmation that
there are going to be heavily hitting the multiverse stuff.
And I don't know where some these outlets are saying,
like there's one character flying around in there who is
clearly not his dad, and they're saying that that it's

(01:14:01):
I don't know where they're coming up, but that they're
saying that's his his dead brother in this universe, in
this alternate universe that he steps into that his brother
is still alive and he's armored up and he's, you know,
working with Peacemaker and their dad who's also in there.
He's in his whatever, his like White Supremacy. I can't
remember what it's called, White Dragon, White Dragon, Yeah, the

(01:14:26):
big Old except he's except he's got a blue he's
blue instead of red. Uh. Yeah, I don't know where
they're getting that. I don't know where they came up
with that. I just maybe I just missed it, but
we definitely get the alternate Peacemaker running around with his
inverted dove and his jet pack. We got a lot

(01:14:48):
of Frank Grillo running around his rip flag Senior. I
don't know, it just looks like a really fun behind
the scenes footage romp.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Yeah, dude, I didn't pick out I didn't pick out
anything particular from that thing, and just sort of generally
looked looked good. I honestly like, I don't know what
you could pick apart. Everything just look like either behind
the scenes, man, this is fun, or like an explosion
that I'd have to do a frame by frame line.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Yeah. There was like an alien sitting at one point.
He's just sitting over in the corner and someone someone asked,
James gunn h, what is that. He's like this, like
weird looking. He looks like a you know, white Martian
or something, but he's gray. He's gray. Yeah, he's got
four eyes. Someone said, you know, what's that and he said,
just some bloke or something, you know, some stupid some guys. Yeah,

(01:15:39):
but uh, yeah, I don't know. It looks cool to me.
I love multiverse shit, Yeah, I love seeing you know,
I love the idea of Chris being able to see
how his life could have gone differently.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yeah, that'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I'm down with it. We see Rick Flake sing, you're
beating the ship out of Chris Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Yeah, that is not gonna work out well. Like Peacemaker,
you know, my memory of the fights in the show
is a really good shot, really good hand to hand combatant,
but completely takable on both fronts.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Oh yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
He he can take a beating. Thinkingness, m hmm. I'm
excited within the show for like the stuff that I
am excited for, but I'm also kind of excited out
of the show just in the you know, the fourth
wall sense of like, man, we're gonna we got We've
had our teas with Creature Commandos, but now we're gonna
enter proper with our first film, you know, fully diving in,

(01:16:39):
and then we're gonna get just not too long after,
we're gonna get a little bit of Pacemaker with like
an hourly show. I just feel like I'm gonna get
a lot of time with this new universe and the
fact that James was able to build them, you know,
simultaneously and like knew what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Both at this I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
My gut would tell me here that like he's, yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna get a lot of nice, juicy
things up front. Because man, he built this whole universe
all at once, and this is the first time he
gets to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
You about it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
He's probably gonna blow a little bit of his fucking
load here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
I'm just very optimistic that we're gonna get some really
fun stuff. But also, you know, we're not gonna have
to just like see two hours of movie and then
wait a year, We're gonna get two hours movie and
then several hours worth of TV.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah. I am really excited about Supergirl, just knowing that
just on the basis of it being based on Women
of Tomorrow, Yeah, as exciting as hell for me. But
then also knowing Momo was showing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Up his Lobo, that's not gonna hurt my feelings one bit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I am. I'm just yes, yes, yes, And you know,
by the time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
We get to that, we'll have the multiverse in full swing.
I just feel like I'm not gonna have as many
questions right now as I thought I was gonna have
even a year ago when we were really talking about this.
It's it's a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah. Talking about clay Face, someone was asking Mike Flanagan
about if they were if Feet of Clay the Batman,
the animated series episode that introduced clay Face was an
inspiration for his movie that he wrote. Flannigan said, of

(01:18:15):
course it was. That is the perfect story. Feet of
Clay Ron Pearlman to me, that's it. That two parter
knocked me out. The short answer is that it is
absolutely what inspired my script. That is the world I
wanted to live in. Batman the Animated Series when I
was growing up was my Batman as much as Michael
Keaton was my Batman. The Animated series really was my Batman.

(01:18:38):
And about the development of clay Face, he says, I
don't know what they're going to do with it. I'm
not directing it, and that filmmaker will need to make
their make it their own. I know that they're doing
work on the script. I'm off doing other things now.
I really hope it remains true to the spirit of
what I wanted it to be. But it's not my movie.
So I'll be in the audience with you anxious to
see how it comes out. That's scary, man. Yeah, I'm like, oh,

(01:19:02):
man already this. Oh he wants it to be like that,
And of course that's a fantastic two parter. Incredibly disturbing.
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Is that the sort of episodes that has the like
the origin scene, yeah, with the thing that haunted a
childhood yeah shadow, Yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
The silhouette of them pouring uh whatever, yeah, whatever it
was called.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I I can't remember, still baffled by what standards and
practices thought was not okay and okay on a given day.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Just pouring it down his throat, drowning him that ship, yeah,
and like sound in the back and like you just
and then we see that we see them like lugging
a melting body through an alleyway and throwing him into
a car and his hand is still his arm is
hanging out of the fucking door and they shut the
door on it and just melts it. Just oh god,

(01:20:03):
it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Whoo if you'd like to do on our class action lawsuit?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Yeah, over to Constantine too. I don't know how, I
don't know if I trust Peter storm Mayer. Here Peter
storm Mayer was apparently talking to the direct and he says,
there's a lot of back and forth because I think
Keano is not so happy with the scripts because the
first one wasn't that successful in the beginning. It became

(01:20:31):
a sleeper and became a cult movie, and now it
is one of the biggest cult movies ever. To do
a sequel, the studios want to have, you know, cars
flying in the air, They want to have people doing
flip flops and fighting action scenes. And I think Keanu says,
I've done John Wick. This movie is spiritual. It's about
demons and regular people, and I wanted to keep it
that way, and we talked about that. I wanted to

(01:20:54):
do God coming Down exactly the same way, but in
a black suit and looking more or less like Lucifer.
For the first one, I'm twelve years older, so it's
going to be hard to you know, completely imitate the
first movie. But I think from Keanu, he wants to
do a sequel that is very close to the first one.
It took a long time for the original to become
a cult classic. It really worked and it will work
on the audience. Again. You don't have to add a

(01:21:16):
lot of action as shootouts you have other movies. Don't
turn it into Big Marvel, don't turn it into us
flying around in the harnesses all the time and shooting
each other up. Don't bring in the big guns. Let
it be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I have not heard a single thing I disagree with, right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Well I do I have heard. I don't want it
to be a carbon copy of the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
I don't not a carbon copy. But I starting to
get the instinct of leave out the spectrum. I definitely
understand if like Keanu's version of like dude, I've swung
around in so many harnesses. No, that's not what we're
trying to do here. Definitely get it from his angle.
But also, don't bring back a what a fifteen year
old film now twenty almost like, don't bring back a

(01:21:58):
film that'll I mean, let me be very clear with
my wishes for Wanner Brother's sake. If they're listening, I
do not want a reboot of the movie starring some
of the people that were in the original. I want
the scene to the first movie, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Well, Also, don't the way Stormmarreer is talking about it,
because I believe this would be under DC Studios. Yeah,
I don't think James Gun is going. Nah, it needs
to be punchier. You gotta have flying cars and shit.
You know, I don't think they're doing that. I don't
think Gun would be one to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
No, No, it's I thought this was just kind of
going as one of the silo films, the else World situations.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
So I mean, I'm sure it will be else World's,
but it's still DC Studios.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, suiting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Unless they're deciding to know it's furdigo, you know, but
it should still be all under DC though. Yeah, all right,
we got a little feedback.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Hey wait maybe hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I don't think it's allid Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Just one time I want to be like, yeah, we
got a feedback, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
And you go. No. A mirrored hour over on YouTube
says I feel similarly and that I expected to like
Superman the movie, but it was underwhelming and had odd
beats to it. But I do admire how the upcoming
Superman movie has the same spirit. My money is on
that this new movie will be my most favorite Superman movie.

(01:23:18):
Here's hoping. Uh yeah, I mean, I you know, like
I said, I love Superman the movie. I had my
little issues with it, my little qualms, but I mean,
you know, who am I to pick apart Superman the
movie I mean we did, and we had a fantastic Timela.
I'm the one that didn't like it very much.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
I just said, it's in the same boat. I was
just underwhelmed in the way I didn't expect to be. Yeah,
I genuinely thought i'd be watching one where I was like, yeah,
it's old, but I get why this was so good,
where I just ended up watching a movie where I
was like, yeah, I wouldn't rewatch this again, and it's
kind of yeah, but like I get what you're going for.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
But I get a hanker and rewatch it every couple
of years something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah, I like it. I like it, you know, like
movie I wouldn't have done everything they did, but.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Yeah, I was happy to rewatch it. I'm just bitching.
I just rewatched The Phantom Menace yesterday. I just bitching
you about that, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
It's oh yeah, yeah, but that actually is a bad
medicine actively bad movie. It was. Doctor Steve Over on
Twitter says to us, uh, watching Millie Alcock on Sirens
on Netflix, I can tell Supergirl is going to be
outstanding read Woman of Tomorrow. If you want heavy spoilers

(01:24:29):
for the plot, Yeah, I still haven't seen her in anything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
I've seen her in clips, Yeah, I don't remember rough
end if I've seen her in much at all or
anything at all.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Yeah, And I'm kind of like I was a fan
of the other girl, like she had already played Supergirl
in some voice stuff and no, no, no, well yes,
I also liked her but from the flash, but no,
they when they were doing auditions, it was down to

(01:24:58):
Millie Alcock and and this other girl whose name I
escapes me now for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
More names eluding us today, sorry, But I felt like
she had the look of the like she looked like
specifically the the artwork and Supergirl Woman.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Of Tomorrow, and I was hoping she would get it, yeah,
because I liked her in sup as Supergirl and some
of the animated stuff and anyway, Yeah, but it came
down to her and Millie, so yeah, uh uh, sure
mill will be.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Fine, probably, Like I mean, me and you have definitely
had a point I certainly have where I don't really
at this point recognize most of the names in casting
like We're. I think there's a thing just in general
happening where like We're, there's a saturation point where I'm
only able to pay attention to so many names, of course,
but some of the newer names are completely escaping me

(01:25:50):
because I'm stuck on the old chip that I'm watching.
So I'm hitting that age a little bit where like
I'm having to learn about the new names as I go,
but I'm not learning about them nearly at the speed
I was once hearing about these new people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Well, what generally happens, I find is, you know, we
announce these people and we're both like, now, I don't
know who that is. But because of the cyclical nature
of Hollywood, by the time the movies come out, we've
seen these people and other things. Yeah, yeah, And I'm like, yeah, okay,
I didn't know who he was a year ago, but
how could you not know?

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
But now we're very cat How can you not know
cad Quala?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Do you know? Cad Quala Doo was a fine actor.
He was on thirteen different series on Netflix. You understand it. Yeah,
he was in a Tom Cruise movie and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Yeah, I know mean, yeah, that weird crossover with Homelander
on Prime.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Yeah, every one of their mother knows kad Quality.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah who fourteen months ago was a dead man?

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
Like it that part's a different era or a different
type of thing to keep up with for me. But
what I would also find is that I'm not I
didn't realize this was the case until it started happening
over whatever again. So what ends up happening is we'll
see this casting for somebody new. I know one of
the instincts is to go find him and see what
they've done before. I never feel the instinct to do

(01:27:04):
that personally. Every time I see him, I end up
just looking at a picture of them, going, yeah, they
do or don't look like the thing I'm expecting. And
then and that's that's what I do. I sit with
that until I see them in the new role, and
then I just start from scratch with that person.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
I'll tell you what that's called. Jason H laziness.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Yes, I just ended up not I'd like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
I didn't like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
I didn't think it was going to help me digest
Pattinson as the Batman anymore. To go watch that weird
movie with him being a meth head that apparently he
did a phenomenal job in it. I saw the trailer
for it at some point, and he did look like
he did a great job in the shots that I saw.
I wasn't super interested in going back for that movie
or like the Lighthouse one or anyway he.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Did some stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
I never went back for it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
I just see for me, familiar enough with you, and
I'll just watch you in the movie. And then I
watched the Yeah, yeah, I didn't know. I just I
don't know him anything. And uh, when Pattinson came.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Up, I kne him from Twilight jokes. I've never watched
the Tilt.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah, I never watched Twilight. I know, you know, but
you know, I when he was like announced, I kind
of looked around and looked at some eclips and went,
fucker connect. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna watch those movies.
But I saw scenes and I went, all right, shit,
good on you, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I'm entirely casual. What happens tence about Like if you
saw if you sent me one and said, hey, check
this guy out, I'd happily go click on it and
go and you know, oh, yeah, it looks great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I would never.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Search for myself though. Noah would never even occur to
me to be like, oh, I wonder how they do.
I assume they were hired for a reason. I'll see
you the day on the day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah, that's called damn. Sorry, Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
There's just too many people out there. God's plenty of people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Yeah, God's choices. Our friend d w at seven shadows
market over on Threads says, I am looking looking forward
to y'all's revisit episode of Superman returns. I don't know
that we're doing that yet. I want to how you
feel about that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
By the way, I hadn't eve thought about it since
last time we talked.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
I was getting we had trouble getting this one recorded,
and then I'm still kind of I have to go.
I'm really I have to go watch Superman two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
That was my first battle and I haven't even gotten
past it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Yeah. Oh well we're gonna get to it. Yeah, yeah,
we'll get to it. I don't know how we'll get
to me just go a second, I mean sure, and
if I can stop having diarrhea and that will.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Help, let me let me see, let me get to
two and see if let me just see how things
go into let me just get that far. Okay, I
just need a second. Yeah, yeah, but I promised to
watch it. We're watching. What I gotta watch it the
next like forty eight to seventy two hours. Yeah, it's

(01:29:55):
not I'm not putting this off wherever it will be. Yeah,
I'm not even putting it off. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm just it's it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
I'm working on him, DW. I'm working on him. Uh Finally.
Richard Thompson wrote to us he's a listener over at
Star Trek Universe and says, Dave, I will be checking
out DC on screen. The trailer for James Gunn's film
looks great and shows some Donner like moments that have
me curious and excited me too, Richard, And we're happy
to have you checking us out already a listener overruns

(01:30:24):
Star Trek Universe, and that's another that's a show I
do in case you don't know out there in d
c Land, if you care about that sort of thing.
And that's all I've got. I do want to apologize
for the amount of ads that are likely in this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Yeah, because of the breakage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Yeah, I mean, well, it's a long episode.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
I do forget because now we've sat down to do
this in two sessions and I'm not as tired as
I should be at this juncture.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Yeah, well, I mean I've been over here like choking
and hacking and yeah, so I've been chugging water. So
now I've got a pee like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
There's the extra strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
However, look here, if you want to listen to the
show without ads in it, Patreon dot com, slash DC
on screen. You can accomplish that for a dollar a month.
That's it, a dollar a month and you get all
the episodes ad freeze. Yeah, that's what I would recommend
because you can't trust us to put up exclusive content.
We just keep sucking up and not doing it. When

(01:31:30):
we do, I think it's pretty I think it's pretty fun,
and we have a lot of exclusive content up, so
you know, it probably is worth it if you wanted
to do the five dollars a month, because there's a
lot of bat catalog and I have to say, I'm
pretty I'm pretty proud of myself. I have it categorized
really well.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
You do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
You can find it and be like, oh, I like
this format of you know, because we do warm ups,
we do you know, chasing squirrels. I think we've only
got three of those. We do uh, comic castaways, which man,
I want to do more.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
We do, sit down, just do a few of those.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
That's where we go through the DC Comics encyclopedia and
just finally say we have we.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Pulled up a random page generator to keep it that way,
and and then I harassed Dave with whoever's on the
page that we pulled.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
To, and yeah, yeah, we have Marvel reviews over there.
I mean we we have done.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
I sometimes on that on that there's like four characters
on the page sometimes and I do make it a
point to find the worst of those four if it
all possible.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Yeah, of course. So yeah, uh, if you want the episodes,
add free the dollar then that's all you want, the
dollars a way to go h or you can just
join for free and you get little updates and stuff,
as well as you know, being able to talk to
people who are also on the patreoon. Anyway, that's it,
That's all I got.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
It's also a wonderful place to take requests because you know,
we'll see it there and usually need a good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Idea of what to do. And if you're throwing a
coin or two at us, we're we're more receptive it's
we're more receptive.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
It's hard not to hard not to take a vote
seriously when someone actually gives it, gives a buck or two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Yeah, but to be fair, anyone, anyone messages us and
has a request, we're pretty like like us, please like us.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Yeah, so lonely, it's uh, there's an element of like,
we're ten years in so like if it's a half
decent fun thing to do, it just that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah. Anyway, thanks for listening, and until next time, keep
some DC on your screen. Oh hey, we are doing
Superman two next by the way, so watch that ship
if you want to listen to our review and be
all refreshed on it. All right,

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