Superman Review

We have finally seen James Gunn's Superman! The spoiler-free segment is up first for those who haven't seen the film, and then we get into spoilers in a big bad way!

Go see the film! It's full of heart and unlike any superhero film we've seen thus far!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, well, welcome into DC on Screen. I'm David C. Robertson.
This is my co host Jason Goss.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Ooo Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
If I feel deflated to you, guys, keep in mind,
I woke up at four am this morning and it
is now eleven forty two pm and we have just
gotten out of this movie and I crammed some food
in my mouth and I know you did as well, yeah,
and sat down to record this absolute monster of overstimulation. Now,

(00:37):
I don't want to talk. I do want to have
like a spoiler free section quickie up front, and then
we can say like, oh, we'll do a break or
some shit and then come in on spoilers or something.
But because this movie is not even officially out yet,
oh sure, sure it doesn't come out until Friday. But yeah, let's,

(01:00):
uh dude, give me your high level thoughts spoiler free
thoughts on Superman, written and directed by James Gunn.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
The high level version is that's a really really good start.
Like I kept thinking about like that, well, just kind
of comparing it to the other characters I've seen on
the way home, and uh, the more and where I
get to more and more I'm thinking about, like what
I actually got to see this guy do on screen.
It satisfies, It satisfies a lot of things, checks a
lot of boxes. Like I watched the film about a
thairly thoroughly good person. For for a second it was

(01:32):
it was it was nice mm hmm. And then like
the other high level part is uh, you know, as
far as the villain goes man, I think that might
be the most. He maybe had the most teeth for me, Like,
I think I think I was the most gripped by
that part.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
The high level part was was really just for me.
This was a good start.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, I am at a weird place where I am
not sure exactly how I feel. There are definitely things
I loved. There are definitely things.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Like I I I feel like if you take big
chunks of this, big chunks of Superman the movie, and
big chunks of Man of Steel, my favorite Superman movie
is some amalgamation.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Of those three. Like I missed a bit of the grandeur,
you know, of the stoicism of Superman. Uh, because it
does feel a little more and I was prepared for that.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
It feels it's a very relatable dude.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
You know, look, look, yes he's very relatable. He's very
relatable here, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's
also just a thing where you know, in my I've
been trained to believe certain things about Superman. Now, you
could be a dick and be like, oh, Henry Cavill
didn't do that, but no, when I'm talking about he
fucking did. He was. You know, there was a certain

(02:52):
nobility to a whole lot of this imagery, h you know,
in Man of Steel and in the Chris Reeve movies.
Less so here. But you know, I was, I was
driving home, and I importantly I asked my wife, who
is not, you know, a comic book of ficionado. She

(03:12):
did not grow up with this stuff. She has seen
a lot of the ship because of me. And I said,
what did you think that. She was like, I loved it.
I loved it so much, and you know, she she
was just she was so happy about it, and she wondered.
She asked me how I felt, and I said, I

(03:32):
think at forty one, my time may have passed. Like
there might be a version of this where like like
I love Creature Commandos, I love Season one, A Peacemaker.
I loved the Suicide Squad. But for certain people, for
some certain characters that I grew up with, which you know,
I was raised on Reeve, there is a possibility that

(03:58):
what I'm looking for, which be some combination of probably Reeve,
Man of Steel and Superman the animated series, is just
not possible. And I say that, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Be you did say like grandeur earlier.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think, yeah, there's there's like a grandeur. And I
will get into that deeper when we get into our
spoiler filled section. I do not hate this movie. I
do not even dislike this movie. It was a good movie.
I don't think it was a great movie. I don't
think it was the best movie Gun's ever made. It's
like watching it, I see why Gun was hesitant to

(04:34):
do it in the first place, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Like not not that like I see I feel like
I see what he when he kept saying I see
my way in. I feel like I know what he's
talking about now mm hmm. But I don't sense that
there were that didn't get like hesitation marks from what
was on screen.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Right. No, I what I mean is it feels like
not quite It's not like anything that's come before, and
that's part of my that's part of my question. I like,
I totally recommend this movie, Like you need to go
see this thing and see how it plays in your brain.
And like, for me, I'm always gonna struggle with what

(05:13):
has come before and how it what that meant to me,
and what exactly it was about those movies. Like in
a lot of ways, I felt the same way coming
out of Man of Steel where I came out like going,
I don't know how the fuck I feel. Yeah, you know,
like I feel like there was a lot more to
love here. For me, I do feel like it was
a bit jumbled. I feel like there was a bit

(05:34):
I feel like it was a little overstuffed. Like I
feel like the Daily Planet people didn't get quite as
much as I needed them to have, specifically Wendel Peers
as as Perry.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, he's he's under used.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And I also, you know, I'm a fair amount at
the time wondering what Kat Grant's doing there. I'm wondering why. Look,
Steve Lombard was fun. I don't know why I was there.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Of the crew was just there to fill it out.
It would seem like unless there's another five or seven
minutes that they didn't have time to round out or something.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
And you know, that's another thing is like part and
part of the reason I'm wondering if like this is
telling of why Gun was hesitant to take it in
the first place, because we've heard these reports about they
were taking them into screenings and they were cutting stuff
and trimming it down and kind of cutting the fat.
And that's that's a perfectly reasonable thing. It's the thing
that happens on a consistent basis with all movies, all

(06:30):
movies that's not like, you know, an artisanal independent film.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Now, some even have metrics in their head where they
just expect, you know, X amount of minutes are going
to go away, and they just know thirty minutes are
going to leave when they're done cutting or something.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
They're so used to it.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
But yeah, I don't think Warner Brothers made Gun cut anything.
I think he looked at it and he looked listened
to what people said, went all right, fair.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Enough, But I don't think it's the film he wanted
to thank.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, I think it's I think it is mostly you know,
as you know, as a person who's done creative shit
my whole life. It's never what you wanted to make. No.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Sure, So he's gonna ge about as close as anyone's
gonna reasonably get right now.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. Yeah. But also, like I've the last couple of days,
the last few days, I've noticed him saying stuff like,
I don't know where this stuff comes from. Where they
say it's got to hit seven hundred million to the
break even. It's not that deep, y'all. It doesn't have
to go that that big. It just has to do
well enough. Yeah, And I'm like, are you pulling back?
Are you like bracing us for this impact? No?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
If you were curious. At one hundred and forty seven reviews,
it is currently sitting at eighty six percent on the
Certified Fresh Right. It is certified fresh. I get it.
I'm not you know, it's I've never seen a superhero
film like this.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I mean compared it to a Rotten Tomatoes just out
of principle though, but like, I mean, I can see
I can see something like the rating as further get I.
That's the one question I really wanted to ask you,
is that it's it does something that's interest so it's
it's an over I won't call it an over stimulated.
Well mean, I guess you did. That's that's one way
to put it. It's very busy. It's two hours of

(08:09):
of like you he did prepares for this, and I
don't think I was fully prepared for it still. I
mean you get a little flash of there's a little
bit of you know, a little bit set up here
here and there, but like for the most part, just
from square one, you're in this universe and very much
in the action. And like the only thing that caught

(08:31):
me off guard was sort of realizing the movie had started. Yeah,
in a way like it just it goes. It's at
such a high pace the entire time that I don't
know it, so you don't realize we're at the course
and that that's a minute to adjust to that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's interesting because it feels very lived in the universe, does.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, which I was enjoying. But it also it's ought
to dissect it live that way though, because every time
you see something you're I was having the same experience
trying to read the New History of DC Universe the
other day, where every page you have to stop and Okay,
what does that mean, now, what do I have to erase?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
It is? Yeah, it's like the universe, It's like that,
but it's also like it feels lived in, but it
also feels like, wait, I don't know these people well
enough yet for this, and that's disconcerting and I don't
know what the answer to it is. Like, like, one
of my issues with the film is that, uh, if

(09:27):
Superman is not the first, he doesn't feel as special. However,
if you are doing a huge DC universe and you
want to have that backstory where you're like, Okay, well,
the Justice Society existed and all this shit happened, like
the Amazonians are you know, thousands of years ago and
all this. I mean that he said it that you know,

(09:50):
we've had meta humans for three hundred years or something.
You know, we've entered spoilers by the way, Oh no,
I'm not I haven't inner spoilers. He said this before
they movie came out. Yeah, so you know he said,
three hundred years ago is when we first started getting
meta humans that we knew about. We've known about it
for three hundred years. But there were other like creatures

(10:11):
thousands of years ago. And when you have that setup
and then you have to make a decision. You have
to say, Okay, are we going first? Are we going
to shield all the gods who were thousands of years ago?
You can easily do that. But if you have that
Justice Society or meta humans for three hundred years dating
back that are well known, do you make Superman the

(10:34):
first one as he wasn't in the comics for us
in a way, and do you have him have that grandeur?
Do you have that awe of oh my god, this
man who's you know? All this? Like where do you
start in starting stuff? Like do you have him in
the thirties or forties with you know, Justice Society? Shit?
You know what I mean? Like do you have some

(10:56):
other version of this? You just can't do both.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Kind of I guess I've never actually thought about like
the firstiness of it.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, So if you want Superman in the modern day,
there's a whole bunch of shit in the DC universe
that had to have taken place before him. Yeah, but
you know, there is that like that thing that I missed,
that little quintessential thing, And you can't have it both ways.
There's no way you can win this. And I'm not
saying gun is wrong for whatever he chose here. But

(11:26):
you know I do miss that like that BVS moment,
you know, humanity meets the Superman.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I could see it. I mean, I guess it's it's
built in here in a way that he sort of
raises the stakes. He he is very much the you know,
the best of them, Like his debut is is different. Yeah,
it hits diffington as mm hmm as I'm sure some
of the typers sort of put in there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Uh So, I think as far as spoiler free goes,
I will say everybody does a fantastic job. No notes
on the acting.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh christ No, yeah great.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I I am in a weird place where this might
be my favorite and least favorite mon paw Kent. I
don't know which one yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, they they are, They're they're They're in a strange place.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
They are different. They are very different.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, which is they're not? This is one thing that
I'm I'm having to unravel because I've catched myself. I've
been catching myself doing this for two hours now. Is
over comparing so m hmm, Like I'm having to make
it that a stretch for like a fresh it's a
fresh pair of Kents I just met. Yeah, it's you know,

(12:43):
it's not a response Kent. I think they might be
closest to Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman
mom Paw. But yeah, yeah, anyway, they they they resemble
all of the common traits you're gonna be used to.
They're just they're this affectation of them is is very
much let's call it colloquial.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, I think it feels like, at least for some
of this, it definitely feels like uh Gun listened to
either listened to or had the same thought uh when
people were having complaints about Man of Steel and just
went uh huh yep, doing the opposite of that. Yeah,
specifically with like the parents see some of it.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I that was that was one thing I kept again,
I kept them to mentally adjust around being like, is
this I kept wanting compared directly to Man of Steel
in some way, which just isn't what we were doing. Yeah,
it it's what we're always doing.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
What we're always doing, we do we compared to all
the things that's what we do as well.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, but I wanted to care like I wanted to
compare value later, but I didn't want to. I didn't
want to, like, uh, start inserting parts of their universe
that aren't just like making shadow problems in the universe,
because it was I do and like to the to
that end. I think that may be the root of like,
when we started talking about thirty minutes ago, I would
have describe myself as quote still nervous about seeing this film.

(14:04):
Mm hmmm future tints somehow.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think that's because I'm still kind of like, all right,
got to kind of get through some of the digestion.
But that's what this is for.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I was honestly like, we walked into the theater and
we started talking about something else entirely, and I was
so thankful because I was just not ready to have
any kind of conversation about this movie yet. I was like, look,
I've got to get home and figure out what the
hell I'm doing with this. Yeah, like what I'm saying
about this, I'm so happy you didn't ask me what
I thought. Yeah, I have expected you to be like, wow,
what do you think? Like scared?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
No, No, I just I was. I figured we'd talk later.
I was listening to people in the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Mm hmmm. I kind of was too.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
People in the theater. I mean, yeah, it's the same
basic response from Obailes. Yet it's really good. I mean, yeah,
the non sporiler version is I'm trying to digest a
couple of things about and the pacting copy off Cardialle.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Really did like this film and it's it's funny as hell,
and god, the action is gonna be way better than
I remember. Like I'm gonna go back and see it
this weekend mm at some point. But it's like the
action is way better than I had time to really
sit with. In a lot of ways. There's a actually
I say that there's a couple of scenes that we
need to get into in the spoilers of the of
the act mm hmmmmmmmm.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yep. You know. I will say I saw a review
that said this Superman doesn't have any real agency. The
plot just kind of happens to him. And I mean,
how do you say.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
That, Like, no, yeah, that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
The like and this is you know, as we know
from a trailer that we are already comes out like
he just went he just got up and flew his
ass to a foreign country and decided to intercede in
in a war and stop it. Yeah, and caused all
sorts of horseshit for himself.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I mean from trailers without even cross over fully to spoilers.
The two main motivations of the movie are, yes, he
unilaterally decides something and two legs wants to kill him.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
So yes, one intrinsic one extensic motivation. But that's that's
that sounds great for how to start out a movie
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah. Yeah, but also I mean plots just kind of
happened to people.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Man, Yeah, I call it life getting lifey.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, And that's actually something I really liked about the
movie is that he didn't it wasn't him just going
from point A to point B with all of this
like purpose and like no, things keep happening and he
has to keep dealing with it. Yeah, more things happen
and he has to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah. Yeah, there's too that into a specific moment that
really hits later.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, shall we Yeah, let's hit a real quick break
and when we come back, we are getting into our
spoiler section. We're just gonna go ahead and rip that
band aid off. All right, We're back now begins our
spoiler filled section. Of the Superman review, and again I apologize,

(17:07):
I'm very sleepy.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Look, I feel like this is actually where I'll sound
as excited as I was to see certain parts like
off the back of what you said there, mm hmm,
I didn't know I was going to play exactly. But yeah,
the the real climax of the movie there at the
end is I think one of the main lines it's
supposed to be at the last, like the climax is

(17:29):
like three two anyway, but like one of the last
ones is like, good luck with that. As you know,
I'm gonna kill you, good luck with that. Yeah, for
that reason, I guess it was around that point in
the movie I realized how many times he had gotten up. Yeah,
it does happen so fast that I'd lost count of
just how bad of a day he was having at

(17:49):
some point, or yeah, several days.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
He's he's had a rough few days, for sure.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I think that part of like my prediction from the
trailer is gonna being it ended up, right, is that, Yeah,
this is definitely a film about super Agin his ass.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Kicked, I mean not stopping.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, and we're in the spoiler section, so guess what
he does win? But yeah, it's very much. I mean
the movie starts with him saying, yeah, and he just
lost his first battle. Cool.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, which I don't know how I was split on
that opening where it was like, you know this many
found three thousand years ago, this happened, three hundred years ago,
this happened thirty decade or three decades ago, this happened.
It felt like you know, little the little boxes in
the comics that kind of give you exposition. Yeah, but

(18:37):
I did like that it was like that it said
that he just lost his first fight. Right, that was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
It was, and comes zooming in for the they. You know,
if there's anything disappointing about that opening scene, it was
that it was the spot we'd already seen. So I
was like, yeah, shit, that's that's your peebarck right there,
just gone.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Dude, are you were you excited about?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Were you excited to see Bradley Cooper?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
No? Not really, I don't have I don't think I
get excited to see Bradley Cooper. Yeah, I don't think
that's the thing that happens for me. It also, he's
he's very glitchy. It took me a secondarily realized what
I was looking at.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
There.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
He kind of looks like a lot of people when
when you're not thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, So Bradley Cooper as Joerell not not the important
role that Jorell has previously been. No, and I kinda
dug that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I So some of the way that Gunn seems to
have found his way into this film was saying, you know, what,
what if fuck.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Krypto a little bit?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Like what if just a little bit of fucked those guys?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, a little bit and you know.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Good choice. One of the if manastell man ofstill got
a few things that were universally considered right and that
first ten minutes was great. So yeah, leave it, leave it,
leave that with them.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So yeah, there, that was one of those things where
I was very happy to see that, like we're not
get like the you know, he's like, well, I like
this one part and that's what I have and the
rest of it is corrupted. And I don't know what
it says, but it's comforting to me because it says

(20:19):
nice things about where I come from. And you know,
we've previously had these all these iterations where no, he's
gonna go to the I mean from Superman the movie,
all the way through Superman and Lois on the CW, like,
now he's gonna go to the fortress and he's gonna
talk to his parents and he's gonna have those guys. Yeah,

(20:40):
and more often than not, it's interesting because more often
than not we see a version of his father who
dies or both of his parents die, his adopted parents.
But he can always go back to the fortress and
hang out with Jorell and get some sage advice. Sometimes
it's just a hologram answering questions that predicts. Sometimes it's

(21:03):
actually kind of seems like it's conscious. We don't know,
but what I like here is and it's I should
have known because it's some it's some ship they did
with Smallville, like all this week up and seeing like
corn Sweat was like, oh yeah, Tom Welling was my Superman.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
And uh I did see that earlier. Yeah him, Yeah,
that was my instruction right there.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, every like everybody's a small Ville fan. And like
even Gunn said, like the reason he called it Luther Corp.
Instead of lex Corp. Is He's like, I don't know,
maybe maybe Lionel's around up a bit. Yeah, So we've
got that going on. And but what I really liked
in the movie though, one of the things I really

(21:48):
liked and that really touched me is it opens with
you know, him getting hurt and taken to the fortress
and uh four or Gary, I should say, now, uh
has that moment where he's like, oh, yeah, soothes him,
his parents soothe him, and uh. And then in you
know spoilers, we've warned you in the movie, Uh, Lex

(22:08):
and the Engineer decrypt the rest of that message, and
we learn, much as we did in Smallville, that Clark
was intended to rule the earth and he has to
come to terms with what does that mean for him?
Like in all these previous iterations, we had Jorell basically,

(22:30):
you know, turning him into Jesus or some sort of
Jesus figure saying like, you must stop that, you you
must you must teach them. They will stumble, you know
that whole thing. Yeah, they will find you in the
sun or whatever. And here, you know, it's like, oh, yeah,
you're here to serve them and it's a wonderful thing.
Of course she'll be uh, you know, ruling over them

(22:51):
with harems the fuck.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So yeah, what I like though is here we have
Like he has this idea of where he comes from
and that turns out to be untrue, but he makes
a choice. It was never even a choice for him,
not because of what his Krypton parents told him this message,
but because of how his adopted parents taught him.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, the boding of that the book is I think.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Where he's laying on that table and he's like roll
the footage of his parents, it soothes him and it's
like home movies of the kids. I teared up. Yeah,
it's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
And I think probably the most important line of the movie,
I think it's Uh, forgive me if I get this wrong.
I think it's Paul Knt and he says something along
the lines of like, how you think the rest of
that message must have gone? Is the most important thing?
Like the fact that you filled in the blank with
what you mad lived it so kindly compared to that's

(23:59):
all that matters, wasn't that.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Pun Yeah it was Yeah, they have.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Uh And I knew that guy, that guy's a wonderful actor,
always captivating, and I knew there was gonna be a
moment where he just did something really good, And yeah,
it's that conversation. He sits down and just man, he
he he held wisdoms you're asked to death. He just
and you know, from where we are, like where we're from,
he just is. He's a bunch of dudes grandpas. Sounds

(24:26):
like I'm too, phrases that I'm super familiar with, like
none of that, you know, if you're wondering if that's
just like weirdly stupid stereotypical. No, I've been in homes
my whole life that look like that one and they
sound like that in there too. Yeah it but yeah,
he's a phenomenal job just grounding the movie and Clark
in that moment.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, I've never quite seen a pond pop kt like this.
And they were a little southern, a little southern than
I anticipated, like.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Doddling, and kind of a bit simple compared Yeah, definitely
simple compared to some of the other versions, but like
they're kind of man, they are, they're super down to earth, like, yeah,
simple is a good word for it, Like they're they're straightforward.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
But I like that juxtaposition though too with lex where
you know he came, he was he was a have
not dude. Yeah, they were simple, they came from nothing. Yeah,
Lex had everything and he's just pissed.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's trying to get into this guy.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
He's powers, piece of ship.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah uh so he also he's a highlight in general.
He got he does a great job of this role.
But man, his speech, his speech there at the end,
really I wanted to rewind that ship.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Mm hmm. He has feelings and he wakes up every
day and doesn't know what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
But oh oh not Superman's because that that one, Oh god,
that was kind of that. Yeah, that was a different
kind of beautiful Lex Before though he's stalking the same
room I guess in that scenario. Great, some great speeches
in that set. But Lex Before when he does the like,
oh of course it's indy, you know, and goes into yeah,
envy and this is why and this is what I'm

(26:01):
going to cry when he it's his version of the
mustache shirl, I guess where he just done loads. But
like he is tearing through the fucking screen with anger. Man,
it was it was just it was a great performance.
I love that shit mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, Like I man, every every performance here, Like, I
honestly don't know completely what my issues with this movie are.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I honestly think it's I think it's just that there's
not gonna be that many.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's just it's just.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
That it's fine and and it was really good, and
we're not sure what to do that yet.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think the biggest problem is that it just wasn't
like the end all be all everything.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Well, yeah, can well That's the thing that I kept
doing during the movie was I kept like trying to
look for another like what's his answer to the flight
scene or something, and and having to go, well, that's
not that's not what we're doing, and it's not fair
to the movie. I can't be looking for shit that's
not here, so I don't need to look for another
flight scene. And even then, you know, right at the
end his each about putting one foot in front of
the other, that's the best closest I wanted. And then

(27:03):
like his dad with that line that I was talking
about a second, both very good candidates for you know,
a combination of where I'm getting that emotional moment mm hmm.
But yeah, I having also just digested everything like we did,
you're like looking for the highlight reel of everything that
you've seen before and seeing it be answered or or
kind of deliberately taken away. It's it's not fair to it.

(27:24):
I'm still unraveling that as we're talking.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Mm hmm. I given how much people were just pissed about,
Oh there's that big thing out out in Metropolis when
that first picture came out, and then with the teaser
and the trailer all the there's this whole Oh he's
just like talking to Lois, he's making out with Lois,
he's putting on a boot. Yeah. Yeah, No, he's like

(27:48):
just lack of days.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
There is he not taking this shit seriously. No, there's
like a.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Thing, there's a thing in the background, and oh my god.
And in the movie, I was just like, well, I mean,
we'll see how that plays in the movie. In the movie,
he's at asolutely not at all interested in it.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
He's barely like. Yeah. There's three or four different uh
what i'll call beat jokes.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know, yeah, as they're like because he's like tired,
he's beat yeah, and he's he's had the shit kicked
out of him. And he's sitting there and she's like,
don't you need to go handle that? And he's like,
oh no, they've got is the Justice Game whatever?

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Baseball bat the whole time.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, this is like just like a flat flat, flat,
flat flat.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And they're not well coordinated flax flats. That was the
best part about it. That was what was really getting
getting chuckles like at some point he just like taste
the cocoa. Yeah, I enjoyed that. And that's sort of
close to mix a spit like in the background.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, they do say it's a fifth dimensional imp.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
It's got to be either him or something, you know
in that area. It's something very powerful in the background.
And then like at the very end, you just sort
of see like a giant fish net green lantern just
pulling it away like yeuh huh and beat it and
just get over.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Which I mean I can see if. I mean, if
somebody's mad about it, I kind of get it. But
at the same time, what I like about it is like, no,
this is a fully functioning DC universe.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, that was what I was hoping for, uh with
that was and and it went it went there with
it is the scene proves beyond any shadow of doubt
that yeah, that there are the whole universe is not
relying on Superman, which is gonna be fun because it
means that we don't have to kill him, maybe to
make a universe around him, because I'm really tired of

(29:26):
watching this guy die.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I want to watch him hanging around for a while
this time, like like we if he does later, that's school.
But like, give me a waw, give me a little wall. Yeah,
he didn't give a shit. It very much means that
there's at least a couple of powerhouses around. We can
do a lot more fun things with that. Story kind
of makes Peacemaker, you know, it actually wramps up the
power levels of peace Maker, you know, just knowing that
those two are going to be visiting it like we've
got a different it's it. I Yeah, that's the establishment

(29:55):
of powerhouses in there, and you know the Justice Hall
and all that being in there as well. It's it's
a lot more exciting than just having to meet everybody
again for the first time and learn about their powers
as they're learning about them.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, we didn't take any real time to learn about
Guy Gardner's powers from where they come from.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, Like you didn't see anyone have that that shocked
moment where like they you know, like Spider Man on
the bus. Yeah, oh my god, I can do what
now we didn't do any of that.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
But it's also like not needed at all. Like the
way we kind of have it is like with hal
being not how guy being like yeah that's what that's
why the Guardians choose me, you know, it's like, oh god,
shut up, you dick.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, he gets a little exposition and to the all right,
they prove a lot of things here that are pretty cool,
Like did you need a backstory for for all Girl? No? No, no,
she's a terrifying lady running around beating the ship out
of things and that is plenty, Like, yep, there was
I want to see more. Let's do it like there

(31:03):
were are metamorpho. That's a complicated character with a rich history.
But did you need that right now?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
On screen right now, that worked just fine. He's weird,
there's four colors. No one told me anything, and somebody's
just a flying head with with with like a like
a gas cloud behind him. No one stopped to tell
me what was happening and why, and that was fine,
Like you know, if anything's something that probably fucked me
up on the pacing, and this is where it's it's
my fault for sure, is I think I realizing like,

(31:34):
that's all I had to see was what I saw,
and that was fine, but it leaves me wondering about
so many other rules of the universe that I'm trying
to extrapolate around that. Yeah, I forget that that was
enough and just stopped to see the scene that way.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
That that was probably messing on pacing, because like something
that seems like it something might seem like it took
a minute on screen, but for me was or you know,
ten seconds of the way around.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Mm hmm. Yeah. I at times I was like, wait,
what with metamorphone? Then I was like, wait, no, no,
we're good. That's that's that's source. Yeah. Yeah, you wanted
wacky silver age, man, this is what you're getting, wacky
silver age.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
They didn't stuff that. They don't stop to tell me
what's going on with the baby. It's just just a
screaming baby.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, well he off.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, and and they'll be fine. I think they have
a happy family or they looked like I guess I
don't know what their plan is or what their history was,
but it it. But they were exciting and that was
that was good.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
His character was as fun as I thought he would
be with that actor.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I don't know if he was as fun as I
thought he would be, but he did it well. Like
you know, that guy's just you know, he's always kind
of like after Zazz and uh no, Hank or whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
That's fair. Well, I mean, yeah, they could let him go,
they could let him go completely off the chain if
they wanted to. We'll have more time for that though,
mm hmm. I mean not to mention he's got drama
traps for days. But we only got to see pieces
of how many Yeah, we only got see twenty percent
of what they got that what that guy is in
the tank, same with Lois, So that's easily And I

(33:12):
knew this is a this is a done deal. This
is a an NFL team playing a league team. I
knew going in that that was gonna be my favorite
Lewis and Lewis and I came out knowing that that
was gonna be my favorite.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Lowis Who the fuck's Lewis?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, I meet him. I'll let you know this lowest
cat though that was in the film, did really well
for me. But same thing. We watched her do a
lot of things. But I've seen that actress do so
much more that just I could do it. You could

(33:45):
do two films with just her, and I'm sure, I'm
sure it would be fine.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah. I think that's something that I missed was no
one was like, no one except for Clark was like
really stepped stepping up at Lois and making her approve
a point or do a thing like we kind of
come in. She already hates Sles, she's already dating Clark.
They have a little row with their interview, and then
it's just like everybody's like for the rest of the thing,

(34:11):
it's just like everybody's like, yeah, fuck do you Yeah,
and she's doing her Yeah, you know, she's got to,
like she does, get to go and at least grab
one Justice gang member. Yeah, after calling them all, call
them all out, you know, like that's wrong with you?
He's your friend. I don't know, is he? Yeah? Where
is he here to like take our women? I don't understand.

(34:35):
Nathan Fillion is just perfect as Guy Gardner.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
He is perfect. Yeah. I mean if all they had
known was like if he just knew he wanted to
put his friend Nathan in this film and knew that
he'd wanted to kind of do you know, something with
that dynamic, like a character like it. He could have
just he just could have found the right character to
fit it. M M. So I don't know if it
went that way or the other way around. I don't

(34:58):
know how match how but man, yeah, so it's a
wonderful match. I wouldn't say I wouldn't not have thought
Guy Gardner was going to be a big part of
any thing in my life at any point.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
But I think you know, we are going back. We
will go back for characters that people don't know in
later projects. So I mean we know that the guy.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, Well there was a recent piece of news where
they asked uh Pillian how he guy was different in
Lanterns than he was the Superman, and he's like, oh,
he's not. He's over in Lantern's pissing everybody off because
he's a fucking asshole, just like how is Superman. He
was a fucking asshole, you know, fair enough man.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
He had said though that he kind of wants everyone
to be, you know, the same but different. You walk
into one set, you treated differently walk into another. And
I think Billion is one of the people that he
kind of said you can you can trust to be like,
I mean, yeah, I'm gonna be this, but the tone
will be the it'll it'll have more opportunities to play
with him.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Though. I saw a guy say this is when I
was waiting on you to call me before the show,
some guy was saying like, uh, it's gun is just
making all the same mistakes. X Snyder may.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
People.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, Like one of the things he like mentioned was, uh, yeah,
he We've already had Alex Luthor who was a who
was a tech billionaire, and nobody liked that version. Why
would we want to see another tech billionaire? We don't.
I was like, wait, no, that wasn't the reason people Hateberg. Yeah,

(36:34):
well you really missed the point about.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
No, he was just really neuro diversion. He was just really, uh.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
What are they I'm blanking at what are the other
ways to get to We've got land, We've got tech.
I don't know what you well manufacture things these days.
I guess someone has to do it.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Scientists. Yeah, you know, you just have a random mad scientist. Yeah,
you can have the you can have the guy that.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Then we're back to the tech billionaire. So I'm just wondering.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
How you got the uh you know the rhyme boss.
Do you have the Midwestern huckster trust fund? Lex Luthor? Yeah?
I mean that'd be in a way maybe.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
A dangerous twenty one year ad Lex Luthor whose trust
fund was just released to him.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, he's mad and daddy never loved him, but now
he's got the money.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
All right, I've got a couple of more. I've got
a couple of questions for you. What did you think
of the clone reveal?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I wasn't sure what. I was sure what to expect.
I think that's what I thought. I think that's what
I really thought was going to be under there. Yeah,
like at like on the pie chart. I think it
was taken up like sixty percent of the chart if
I had to bet, you know, on red or black.
So that didn't really shock me, it it. I was
nervous for a second that it was gonna be something wrong.
I damn near I realized you couldn't hear me very well,

(37:54):
because right before the mask was about to come off,
I damn near leaned over to you and went, it's
John Wesley's ship.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, I didn't hear you said that.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I stopped myself. I realized you wouldn't hear me and
just been distracting.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, uh yeah, it was. It was just corn sweat,
And you know, I'm fine, Like I knew it was
going to be a clone Cordon sweater. Uh yeah, I
knew it was going to be a clone. I Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It was like that last second where you're like, I
mean you could have done cavel though, but like, okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
all right, I know.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I'm just glad he didn't turn into fucking bizarro here.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I did wonder for a second, who's gonna try to
talk him into, you know, staying here? Speaking of the
engineer's still around heartbeat raptors got her.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Last I heard is she had a heartbeat.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
I don't know what's left at the raptors, but they
were supposed to come in and get her. She had
a heartbeat and forgotten. That usually means we'll see it later.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Well we didn't. We didn't actually see clone die. He
got sucked into a black hole or something like a
black hole.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, and that is, you know, not a good place
to be, even for a super being.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's not. But you know, if you accidentally go into
an alternate reality and land on an Earth and become
that Earth Superman and that's bizarro world.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah, and you know we're in Supercien's realm here. There
was a pro No, it was a reverse anti proton
river something I don't know, some kind of quantum river.
We're in a pocket universe. God knows what's in that
black hole. There's any number of reasons we could see
Cordon Sweater again. And then the Engineer of course is around.

(39:35):
So like, I don't think any of the majors really
went away here, didn't they.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I don't think any of the Happy militaries are going
to like appreciating value because they're not going to show
up in the second one.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, all right, and uh, what did you think of Karra?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh? That that was fun. It It leaves me worried
about one thing for the sake of this film. That
was just a really really fun inclusion. I kind of
did we talk about that, I don't know. I don't
I didn't remember what was gonna happen when it happened.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Talk about what she was going to show up? Yeah,
that was kept under wraps.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, it wasn't. I had two thoughts that were one
was a little distracting. Well, they were both distracted. One
was when they were talking about like when Crypto or
when Crypto's just bouncing on her and she's enjoying it,
and and they're just rough housing and they're they're over.
They're talking about like complete lack of discipline. This is
one such a bad dog. I was like, yeah, yeah,
and that's me. That's one hundred percent of me as

(40:32):
a call out as a dog owner. Y'all shut that up.
Y'all shut up, Like uh huh, So like, yeah, I
feel that that's how you play with dogs. I get you,
I get you, car But two, that is so fucking
close to one up tomorrow, Like yes, like you like
when you say you're going to base it on it,
you know, but but then you see it and you're like, oh,

(40:52):
that's just the first panel. Okay, cool, so we're going
straight into that. Got you.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I love that. I mean, I think it was I
think they had Clark tell four a line of like
storytelling dialogue from either Ruthie or or or Carra herself
talking about she likes to go to planets with with
red Sons so that she can get drunken party. Right.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
He's explaining that to Gary.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, damn it, I'm dead naming the robot oh four, Yeah,
I was.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
I wasn't sure if it did name itself Gary or
if it remains for it, because I thought the joke
was that it had said Gary's kind of also a name, ye.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Like yeah, And then the next thing he was calling
him Gary.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
He did call him Gary. Okay. I didn't absolutely notize
that if it was just a start circular aside for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
No, he absolutely just said not Gary.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Cool all right? Oh you know, well, so I had
an eye out the whole time for like, well, is
this one I can bring my daughter to the answering
it being no, or at least it could be yes,
but she has to go to the bathroom a certain point.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
It's I think it's a viewable movie for you know,
young enough kid if if they can do it, except
for probably the Russian roulette scene that's gonna be That
was rough, dude, That's gonna be like the scene that's
you need to brace for if you get if you're
bringing somebody to it. Yeah, about the halfway mark, yeah,
really rough and it it it does something in the

(42:19):
movie though that's that's very specific. It just takes it
takes redeemability out the window for for those two, specifically
those two, and then it it's kind of that was
one of the moments in the movie where I kind
of realized how far into it really were, like where
I was kind of trying to slow down and catch
myself into that, you know, get into the groove of
the pacing a little bit, and realize like, oh, the

(42:40):
stakes have already dropped. This is another part where we're
raising the stakes again. I almost had to consciously do
that in certain ways because I was getting too distracted.
Is that part's a weird experience. It's on me. But yeah,
like when that when that guy goes out. Yeah, like
you said, there were great performances all around, but yeah,
that that scene, the way it breaks both of them
was really great. Yeah, incredibly act of everybody around the

(43:03):
the Barravian, Yeah, dude so good at acting that I
would have dropped him in that out of the sky
myself if I had the chance.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh I love that too.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah. I hated that man, but oh, you're not.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Going to do anything to me because you know, you're
like your buddy Superman. I'm not like Superman. Yeah, which
was you know with the way they killed that guide
to you at the beginning, I was, I felt so
bad for it.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Ah me too. He clearly did too. That's another strand
uh work on later. It's like they're, yeah, we're mid universe,
but they're they're all developing their relationships. Like they there's
clearly out of our trust. There's a lot of teamwork.
But like he doesn't he doesn't like having a basically
clean up after him. They're not careful enough. There's a

(43:47):
lot they're working on there. And then like they're you
know the Stingers by the way, there's two if anyone's
curious and made it this far for some reasons, but
like the Stingers that like the very last Stingers, it's funny.
Neither of them are all that ruchel, of course, but
but a really funny one, just like the that dynamic
of like man, I mean they're, yeah, they're getting to
know each other, but like tam hmm, just walks away. Man,

(44:10):
you couldn't let me have that ship. Damn it. I
get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, I love the little peace Maker cameo. Yeah, God,
but he's talking to Michael Ian Black.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, Oh, I didn't realize Michael Ian Black was there too.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
You didn't realize that was him?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, actually I didn't for a couple seconds when he
was first there. I didn't realize he was gonna be coming.
I was not prepared to see Michael Ian Black today.
And then it's uh yeah, like for something about the
first time he appeared, like it took me a couple
of shots, like camera turns back to him before I
was oh, my god, is that Michael in Black. I
got there, but always had a light to see him.
I don't think I've ever run across that guy and

(44:47):
not enjoy ways.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Do Yeah, Michael Ian Black doing his best Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, kind of. It's it's it's like an impression of
a sleazier version and even sleezier maybe I don't know.
At Tucker's probably the closest mmmm my guess that was. Yeah,
Peacemaker's inclusion was just that one took me about surprise.
But yeah, he basically just pops on and like, yeah,
what an asshole?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Okay, yeah, Superman is not great? Shut up, Chris.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, it was at that moment, what that I think,
like there were only a couple of moments that I
kind of wanted to lean over to you and say something.
For the most part, it was just it was a
very loud theater and you know, just just to the
edge of that would have been too much if it
was any really much louder, and not many opportunities to
kind of lean over and say stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
But yeah, no, there was stuff coming. Twenty four to seven, Yes,
just straight out the whole two hours and nine minutes.
It was just bad by bam, baman, bam, my, oh
my god, which isn't necessarily bad. It's just you know, Beth,
and he was like, oh, yeah, it was. It was
great to watch a to see the Superman movie that
didn't feel like, you know, it was taking a week

(45:58):
of my life. And I kind of laughed. I was like, which,
which Superman movie are you talking about that you said
it felt like it took a week of your life.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
She said yes, and she was.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Like, any of the Superman movies that weren't this one?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Anything you've shown me so far that I mean that
that is true. Just to respond to our own last
episode in a way, yeah, this one this is a
good film, like this is this is kind of in
a walaways. It breaks it, it solves the problem it's
it's a good movie, and it's a good movie in
a way that like the guy next to us said

(46:38):
something to the end that was pretty like kind of cliche.
Did you hear him? No, I'm going to try to
actually nail his words. Give me just a second here.
It was he's it seems so cliche that it's gonna
seem like I'm making this up. But he said that
was a good movie. That's kind of what I came
here to see. That's the Superman I expected. And like,

(46:58):
I don't think you could really write the script for
an audience member if that's yeah, I think that's what
they were trying to do, is like maybe I know
we've had a lot of we've had a lot of
thoughts about Superman, and there's been some weird movies. It's
been a while, and I think there's like a whisper
that man, you can hear now. It's like and by
the way, if you watch those old ones, that's really
fucking weird. Anyway, So we haven't really had a good

(47:18):
go where everyone was happy with it, right, try this out.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
And yeah, yeah, And I feel bad. I feel bad
saying I don't think it's a great movie, you know,
But I, you know, I just don't. I don't feel
like it's I don't feel like there's any movie I've
ever seen before. It's just so much it is. It's
just a big swinging dicks, dude. It's like, yeah, they're

(47:43):
swinging for the fences. You know.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
It's not even like a strawberry cheesecake. It's like a
triple chocolate Belgian cheesecake.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
And it's not to say that like it's just gonna
barrage you with ship. It's just less action without any substance,
because that's not true.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
No, everybody of the everybody, the action was earned, incredibly
well done, by the way. I don't you know, we
never did stop to say anything about it. Yeah, we've
got weeks, you know, this will be gone on for
a while. I don't feel pressed to say every last
thought at this second.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
I am so so struggling to stay awake right now.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Most of your thoughts are going to be appearing tomorrow.
But yeah, like the action a lot. I mean, especially
God that the scene where he just shoots up in
the sky, everyone kind of reacting to like, what the
fuck is he? What's he up to? Uh? I just
loved it. Loved that kind of thing. And by the way,
one of the innovations in this that I wondered how

(48:38):
you felt about it. I fucking love him playing his
team like a video game. Yeah, yeah, never seen that
in my life. I have no context for that. I
think that's brand new, and I fucking loved it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, just programming his mindless clone husk.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
And Otis finally and by the way, Otis, of course,
like Otis finally says it's programmed for up to twenty
five hundred things, and you know that's just to show
off how fluent he can be with something like twenty
five hundred separate designs per character, by the way, but
you're you're getting a sense of it early on, like
they're they're making it a point to jump around on
letter and number here, you know, Z forty two or whatever,

(49:17):
and then like a something. But yeah, like it. It's
it was, I thought, a brilliant way of showing how
fucking clever he is, how well prepared. That was it
it It is very much some Batman energy, just in
very much the wrong application.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
And by the way, he was They mentioned something in
the in the press run up that something neat about
him was that he is physically present like this, this
Lex Luthor feels like he could physically do something in
a room. And I did get that off this guy. Yeah,
even though some of that is you know, slapstick humor
of like knocking the cup off the table a few times.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Uh huh. Let me say this once again, we are
fucking fooled the motherfucking toys. What we I have in
my possession Luthor Corp lab set. It contains a Crypto,
a baby Joey, a Metamorpho and uh, the Superman and

(50:13):
a Mister Terrific and Lex Luthor in his Kryptonite fighting
armor in the armor. That's right, just like we had
crypto Kryptonite armor Lex Luthor in the BBS two or
three packs something. Yeah, oh oh, each time thought we
had some kind of damn.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Scoop and just no, just no no. So, speaking of
whispering in the middle of the film, I did have
to and there was an opportunity thinkingness, but that that
was during the credits. It finally loosened up enough for
me to ask you a question. But so I had
I had to go pee at some point, came back.

(50:54):
I tried to pick a spot, but you know it
is what it is. You do your best. You know
it's it's right next to it. So I hear a
bunch of banging, like I just hear a bunch of
explosions and think, run back in this fast second, I
come back everything to calm again. Yes, clearly you did.
Didn't have time to stop for it. You had to
explain just you know, there's no time. You just watched

(51:14):
waited to the back and I ask you about it,
and so I kind of, you know, I'm like, you
know what I missing, mister trip for there? Like something cool,
I suppose, and like you and you said a bunch
of things and yeah it was. It was still loud,
so I didn't get to say, like what what you said?
I wanted to be like, so I can't like what
you described is so cool that if I hadn't just

(51:34):
seen this movie, I would think you're fucking with me
right now.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
No, it's not like that. It was just you know
they go to that.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It just sounded like a very like it was well,
you're like, oh dude, he was fucking like flicking the
you know, the spheres of people and like kicking asstop
different ways and yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Oh yeah, he was just doing like little little you know,
flicking his fingers around and they were following his movements
and what he wanted. Uh yeah. So they show up
at that like beach front where they've got that portal
and he's using his little tease spheres and whatever to
map the DNA of the air or something and pick

(52:09):
up where Clark was.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I saw the row of them leading him like a
video game, right, that was the last thing I had
a glimpse up from.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Literally job asshole raptors start telling him to back the
fuck up. They're all pulling their weapons terrific like just
like with a wave of his finger. There's a bubble
around him and Lois and all these assholes start firing.
They're not it's not penetrating the bubble. Then he jumps
out and just fucking takes them all damn down.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
That's the part I want to go back and see it,
and that's gonna be my excuse is just to just
to get that scene. He's just leaping around the bubble,
has you know a clip here there, so that's he
not but not.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Not that Yeah, And it does a nice little job
of showing it from her perspective where she's just like
Jesus Christ, this is crazy. He's just like leaping around
like he's fucking Spider Man or something, just fighting the
ship out of these dudes.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That's all that was. So did you did you? Were
you there for when she's like talking about she said
it makes some comment about his little circles.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, yeahs.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Too deep tease spheres. Yeah that was that was that
was good.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah, I I didn't ever say what I thought about Kara.
So Carra shows up and they're like, oh, your cousin
has come back. She's like, where's my dog? So okay,
because he does say something about like, oh well it's
kind of a weird yeah, kind of a foster situation
with Crypto, and I'm okay, well that's the thing. And
then he was like, well I didn't know. He's like, man,

(53:46):
you brought that dog. He's like, yeah, I didn't. I
didn't want to killing my parents' cows.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, which way is one of the more relatable moments
early in the movie is just him just coming through
the window, where's the dog? Like yeah, that's about as
you know, get him Superman, as you can get early
on in the film is go Get the fucking Dog, Superman.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah. So, uh, I think any question I had about
Millie Alcock playing Kara is gone. Is that the window
she came in she was delightful and drunk or at
the very least just rambunctious and.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Oh that is that's that's that's still drinking jetlag.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, you know, I don't know how long a drunk
hangs on after you've entered the Yellow Sun system.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I yeah, you're not wrong, but you know.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I thought she did a great job. And I do
like this idea that you know, Clark is like, I
don't like this drinking and partying bullshit, and she's like,
you know, thanks for watching my dog, bitch, you know.
And I don't know, it's like she's like this tiny
little thing with this big personality. Yeah, I don't know,

(55:10):
I'm excited about it. I think that's that I want
to see that movie. I also liked, you know, how
we opened with this with you know, the orchestral Superman,
very Superman sounding music, and at the end, while he's
they've done the bookend and we are seeing the pictures

(55:30):
of his earthly parents, the Gary for Robot turns on
a contemporary band. So there's an actual needle drop there.
It's like more, it just feels like he actually went
from score idolizing, idolizing his Kryptonian heritage to accepting his

(55:51):
place as a He's not because like at the Real Symphony,
the I'm I'm gonna wind up liking this movie more
and more as I think about it. Oh yeah, because
like he is, He's very much like that might.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Be the case when I started this conversation on it.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's what I was hoping for. Uh.
You know, because he's having that conversation with Lois, he's like,
you know, they do touch on what his parents said
or what he believes they said, but he's also like,
oh yeah, no, I just like, no, I didn't talk
to anybody. I just fucking got up and did that ship.
I just got up and did that shit. You know,
I just went and stopped at war. I saved fucking lives,

(56:28):
fuck you, And that is like that is some like
Kryptonian ship. That's like what his parents were getting that. Yeah, yeah,
go and rule those motherfuckers, and you know, then to
have the Justice gang step in when the war is
really coming about right again, it left you a.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Weird place though, for like, for the kid, I mean,
for those kids. You know that they they were raising
a Superman flag and chanting.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
They raised a Superman flag. But Superman's got to inspire
the other heroes. They've got to be better than than
they are.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Yeah, well it made them ride rise to the occasion.
For sure. You see something out of them you hadn't
seen previously. But like they're they're clearly galvanized. But you
gotta wonder if you're like, you're that kid and you're like, well,
I mean I asked for Superman, but I mean it
is friends, so that that'll work.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, I mean, Guy Gardner's like, I'm sorry, Superman, calm,
he's got something else. But he said us the kids
thinking I speak two words of English and it's super
and Man.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah, I knew Superman and Hello, none of that. I
didn't understand any of that, but you did. Just stop
a bullet. So I'm rolling with you.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I was gonna die and now I'm not dead, so
carry on. Strange green Man, That's all I would care
about at that moment. Sure, your hair looks weird.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
But beggars can't beat you.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Whatever, dude, flick off them tanks for me. Yeah, oh that.
How much do you think he's gonna just like bounce
Crypto between the movies? Because apparently that was that at once,
Like when when crypt gets picked up at the end,
I was like, oh oh oh, but I was kind
of attached to the idea of those two being together
all the time, and then I realized, oh, he's just
sending Crypto to the other movie. Mm hmm, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Is Carter's dog? Yeah, no, I know, I just apparently
and this, yeah, in.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
This version, it's oh yeah, is that cool? That's fine.
You can just send Crypto wherever the next thing is
being made, and I'm good with it.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Absolutely. What else you got, man, what else you got?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I'm sure plenty that'll come to me. My Daily Planet
popcorn news box is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Ah yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I do recommend. I mean, I really love the swag
on this thing. It was it was worth it. If
you're if you're into the spinning on that one, I
would go for it. Oh a major early on, early
on high point for me. Lexus score fucking great?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Oh yeah yeah, dug that yep.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Score Oh generally very good.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
What'd you think of Eve test Mocker being in love
with Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah, that's funny. I still that's one of the mysteries
in the movie. Like Lois kind of says like, how
are you doing this? And like I wanted more like no, no,
how are you doing this?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Well? Yeah, because like it's not even it's not just
her either. It's like the hot girls in the office
are like over there giggling about Jimmy and he's just
like a all.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Right, yeah, I like that. I mean yeah, I like
that being kind of a side joke that he's just
sort of a charmer. For whatever reason it that remains
one of the things that I think had the least
explanation in the whole movie, Like if there's a if
there's a plot hole here, it might be Jimmy's Jimmy's
entryway into so many panties or with that explanation. But
it's attractive enough, guy, I'm sure he's got plenty of game.

(59:43):
It's that may that may be more sellable and more
immediately sellable for anybody else, but like Lowis seemed to
seem to bring it up, so that works for me.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
M h man, I don't know why Steve Lombard is
in this movie. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I don't know why I was there or Yeah or Cat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Grant, but most of the Daily Planet people, I don't
even know why they were there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, they didn't have to be. I'm happy to see him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, I guess they were fine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I like the idea of filling out the Daily Planet
of there just being uh okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
People on hand in case there's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
People there and the environment feels like it's more crowded,
like I imagine that same scene but all extras and
just a couple of people shouting dialogue at each other
with none of the passerby is doing as much work.
And I don't I think that would feel little less.
I just wouldn't sell the big, busy tempo of this

(01:00:36):
movie as much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
So do you think do you think is that gonna
wrap this up? I gotta go sleep. Do you think
this is the best Superman movie that's ever been made? Mm?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Probably? Still?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I think that's probably gonna be where I land on it.
I think it's gonna be in that. I've that I
like man, that there's gonna be a couple of scenes
that I can tell now that I still like more
out of mass stilt even But yeah, it's just gonna
be a couple of scenes. Overall, this is still gonna
be the best one. It's gonna it's probably not going
to be that close when it really settles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I think this one might be the most rewatchable
for me. Oh yeah, at the very least.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I've seen people say that it feels like an episode
of Superman the animated series. Not quite feeling that one either,
but uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I haven't seen that like twelve years though, so I
don't really want to compare it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, I feel like it might not be for me,
but also it's not not for me. I'm so sleepy, basically,
you're getting drunk, Dave. I'm so sleepy. It's like one
o'clock in the morning right now. I'm so out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
I was thinking whether it was gonna be like for
me or not for me as well, and I think
it's uh, it's it's both. It's both. That's the I
think I took the same cinema as everybody else, Like
that's that's the closest to the guy that like that
I want to see, Like that's yeah, that's the person that, like,
I wish I'd gotten to see you know, several times

(01:01:53):
I and I don't know, it was nice to watch
him walk away kind of unscathed this time, because it's
my wh I can offend and enjoy Man still, Like
having to focus on on a death is a different
way of experiencing that whole set of storylines. You're just
gonna go through different things and leaving it this way
is it's more lighthearted in a way that I find refreshing.

(01:02:15):
Right now, I'm sure as hell enjoyed it today. I
think I'm gonna be able to enjoy it a lot
more casually going forward than I have to some of
the other ones.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know if this will hold
up for me as a as a good Superman movie,
But I do think it's objectively a better movie than
any of the previous movies, any of the previous Superman
movies probably, Like, he doesn't snap anybody's neck, he's not
destroying anybody's fucking truck. You know, he's not playing with

(01:02:46):
a dog while his dad dies. Yeah, to make it
fair and go back to Donner, Yeah, there's not a
motherfucker with a sequin vest rolling roller skinning backwards because
the god is blowing on them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
True, true, true, No tenfoil suits or crystals.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
And they set up a hell of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, they really did. It's a it's a wide universe
with as it said, three hundred years worth of accumulated
gods and monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, and it's this part of it. It's like I
it can be called Superman the all day I did,
and I'm not saying I'm mad about this, but I
did feel like there was kind of a lot of
other things that weren't Superman in there. You know. It's
a lot of a lot of Justice Gang. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I mean, as a sidebar, a lot of universe set up.
I felt like that that I was workable, you know,
And that's a good point some people that said, you know,
I felt like Superman was just reacting to the rest
of the film. Well, yeah, because you kind of have it.
And if you do it well, then you have your
main character in your A plot react sometimes to B

(01:03:52):
and C plot like he would be doing here. I
think that's probably just good. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm bout
out of steam from my Yeah, in mine it too.
It's it's one in the morning here as we as
we talk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I'll say this. Uh, it's not everything I ever
wanted out of a Superman movie, But we have time,
there'll be more. And you know, one of the things
I want to see is whether it's something that I
want or not. I want to see different takes on
these things. And I do think this is a fresh take.
I love that he's the one, you know, who's in

(01:04:25):
love with Lois and she's kind of like, eh, I
don't know, uh, for all at least the duration of
the movie. Yeah, And it's a nice it's a nice
subversion of the original.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Do they get to the bottom of that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
What was the explanation?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
What do you mean explanation? Well? Did they? Did they?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Do they finally unpack? Maybe I'm just forgetting. Do they
unpack the whole? You know, I never thought this would
work part completely.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I don't know. But she did say I love you too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
She did say that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
She did say I love you too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I mean they were gonna gonna get at some of
the uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I mean, I think it just boils down to Lois
is punk and doesn't trust anybody or anything. Superman is not,
and that's his own version of punk where everyone is
cynical and he's not. He loves She is reticent, you know.
I think that's what it is. She's just a negative
person and he's not. He's a very very positive person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
A fair amount of the press they've been they were
doing beforehand was that conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, so I think that's all it was. But yeah,
I did appreciate all of that, and I look forward
to seeing it again at some point. But I love
you guys, and thank you for listening. And I've got
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
All right, this man's gonna pass out on us. We're
gonna let him go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
We'll get some sleep until they oh, Mike,