Superman Rewatch Review and Reactions

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to DC on Screen. All right, Welcome
to DC on Screen. I'm David C. Robertson. This is
Jason Goss.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, and you know I have a news episode
all lined up, except we are recording this on a
Sunday and the weekend numbers for Superman are not in yet.
And if you heard the last episode our Superman review,
really our first thoughts review, you know, I was a
little undecided on a few things. I can't remember. Were
you I'm so self centered?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well we were also both word aline falling asleep.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
But.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
We were at the eighteen twenty hour mark in the day.
But it was bad maybe plus it might have been
a little bit more. But yeah, I don't think I
was undecided. I think I liked it, but I but
the thing I remember from mostly from then was just
liking it. But I had this flattened effect generally where
it took me days to unravel the sense of why

(01:00):
watching myself watch the movie m I kept trying to
reverse that process is taken some time mm hmm. And
another viewing helped.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, you know, I think there's something to it, and
I'm not be smirching anything.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
There's something to be said for having spent our entire
lives watching essentially origin stories, right, Like we watched Superman
the movie when we were kids who watched Batman, you know,
and then then they started to deciding, no, well, let's
redo it because we don't like the cheesy shit that
we did after those origins of stories. So here's Batman

(01:35):
begins again and the Dark Night. We know when we don't.
We don't want to say Batman, Let's do a Man
of Steel, let's do aar row, let's do Smallville. We
don't want to actually say the fucker's names because that's
too much. That's too common, Bookie.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Uh yeah, and you're only on a run one company.
The other one did everything was named mmmm mm, and
everything was the first and everything was the story of
But to.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Like go into this like we were trained, feel like
in a lot of ways to like see to go
to a Superman movie and get the the introduction to
our god, you know what I mean, Like here here's
the guy. No one on earth has ever seen this
guy before. And it's such a shift to go into
this movie because I've seen this thing again now, I

(02:17):
saw it earlier. Today, you saw it last night, if
I remember correctly. It's interesting to go in and just
be like, boom, here's a universe.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, there. That's one of the things that takes
so long to digest about it. Like the opening title
card has that that that list of time markers, right,
So from the first moment it gives you like a
whole history of where we are on the universe to digest,
and then it just hits you with the first scene.
I was almost grateful in a way that the first

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scene is something I've already seen it. It's the promo footage,
so you get a second to breathe.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
So, by the way, I was wrong last time. It
wasn't three thousand years ago. It was three hundred.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah I thought you said that.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I thought it was a three thousand, but I was
also thinking of the Amazons, the Amazonians whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh okay, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
We ain't even cracked that. We ain't got there yet.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, no, and it will be and.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It will be. Yeah, that's confirmed.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
There really wasn't a lot of origin, But I've gotten
some time to think about that too. And the part
that's unique about this, I think with the origin for
really anyone, I mean just anyone at all, no one.
You're right in the middle of everyone's story. You meet
them as though you knew them. And thankfully the job
it does a good job of dropping exhibition every once
in a while so you can catch up when you

(03:35):
need to. Most of which, though, Gun did a pretty
good job of assuming we have a good amount of
Superman literacy just as a culture and not wasting anyone's time.
But that is in retrospect. Some of these are iconic
and great, and they've done a lot of great work
with them. But some of these and in retrospect, feel
apologetic like you have to. It's almost like the writer

(03:56):
director just wants to explain. Okay, well, okay, hear me
out though, let me just tell you where it's coming from,
and then you'll then you'll see what I'm going to
do with the rest of it. And like in this movie,
it's just yeah, y'all know the guy with the S.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
So here's what I did to.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Uh and that I found that deeply refreshing now that
I've had time to sit with it.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I I liked it like I liked it the
other night. Watching it today, I liked it a whole
lot more like I got to sit with it, and
I was worried too, because, like I was thinking, for like,
I was like, I'm just just not I because I
could do the thing where like I see a thing,
and especially if there's like a lot of stuff going on,
I'm not. I don't remember it all.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So I'm like, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Just feels overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
And when I told you too, I was, I was
coming up with counter arguments to hypothetical arguments about the
film while watching the film, Like you're in a scene
arguing online already. That is distracting. I was.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I was very oh my god, So okay, yeah, this
view for this viewing the theater, like I went, so
this viewing was pretty empty, except there was a jackass
and his wife sitting right behind me. And this motherfucker
just kept like saying the most stupid, like the stupidest
shit that you could think of. Like, for instance, when

(05:14):
otis and mustache man, he comes from the comics. I
know he comes from the comics. I don't remember his name,
the guy with the glass In.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Two viewings, I have not caught his name, but I do.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Really he is in the comics and he's gripping. That's
exactly what he looked like in the comics too, but
he was one of Lex's scientists. But they when they
go to the little waterfront to unleash the baby Kaijuw, Yeah,
before they even unleash the kaijuw, the guy behind me
is like, let me guess it's a grimlin and he's

(05:44):
activated by water. When when mister Terrific and Lois go
to get into his tea craft and the thing is
coming up slowly, he goes, let me go else, it's
a prius. It's like that, like all the funk and
like the whole fucking movie. He's like, rattle, rattle, rattle.
He keeps shaking his fucking popcorn bag as if he's

(06:06):
fluffing a fucking pillow. And I'm like, you're not. It's
not gonna get any fresher, dude.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I do like, what are you doing on just a
kernel of butter in there?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
He's like it's like doing He's like doing a Will
Ferrell bit behind me, like right in my ear. I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I don't know how you do this, though you you
consistently find bad viewing experiences. Are people to sit next to?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I've been to the theater with you on so many occasions.
I may have been to the theater more with you
in my life than without at this spot, and consistently
in that experience, we occasionally have one where like the
Jolly Rancher guy yeah, or the ac or something. We
occasionally have.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
One tell that story. I I don't. I vaguely remember
this no.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
While we're watching while we were watching bat Member of Superman,
and it was was particularly jarring when it got to
a scene where he's disruptively opening a Jolly Rancher and
making it like they they miked it for the folly
and behind us. The entire time this guy has is
on what I estimated as his sixth or seventh the
Jolly Rancher, he has been just quietly and doing the

(07:16):
thing where you quietly do it too, because you think
that's gonna be better.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
You slowly, slowly, like an old lady opening a butterscotch
in church.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah yeah, yes, yeah yeah yeah. It is is not
better for it, but somehow, somehow, even when we sit together,
I will I'll be fine, I'll have no no, no
male effects whatsoever. And then afterwards you're like the guy
behind me. The entire time, his foot was in my
face and he was breathing on my neck or something.
I'm like, I didn't. The guy behind me was laughing

(07:45):
at the same jokes. It was lovely. We shared icons.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, Jason and went to see this movie the other
night before, and I thought about mentioning it on the show,
and I didn't because I knew I only had a
certain amount of time. I'm and the calculation of yeah,
the calculation was just like, fuck, no, you can't talk
about that. You don't have the time to talk about this.
But this drove Bethany crazy and drove me crazy too.

(08:10):
She was closer to it, but there was a girl
behind us in that first viewing, and she, like during
the Lowest and Clark argument, she laughed at things that
were not funny, like just like like she didn't understand
his way off way, he just didn't understand what the
fuck was happening. But like everything else in the movie,

(08:30):
she kept going, oh, oh, every five seconds, dude, every
fucking five seconds.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think I heard something that sounded like that at
some point, but it's like vaguely, vaguely heard a commotion
that sounds a little bit like that, but nothing. I
was just one seat away and fine.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I was like I was drowning in a stroke.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
We managed to pick exactly the sonic area where you
can find these jackasses somehow, and I'm just one seat
next to you doing fine.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, I don't know. I don't know, but I'm sure
Bethany would have if she were here doing this, she
would have other things that this girl said, like she
was fucking moron, was a fucking moron.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I may do this. I'll say it now and see
if I remember it later. What I'll do is, next
time we go sit down, just at the last second,
if I remember it, I'm just gonna go switch with me.
I'm gonna get comfortable and we're gonna be ready to go,
and then I'm gonna remember and go. Just just trust.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
You're gonna you're gonna trick the final destination annoying customer.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Okay, we're gonna try it. If I remember.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, it really is. It's like if it's not somebody
who's like just aggravating the living fuck out of me,
it's like me having a panic attack because my body
is doing something weird that it has never done before.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Right just now, just pick just now for it.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Guess what buddy, You've never had this kind of chest flutter?
Oh fuck, oh god, what's star Lord doing?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah? Is that a rabbit ear coming out of my thigh?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Why? And then I hear some guy behind me going
I'm pretty sure was Ai, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I have to die now. No in this one on mine,
I went Saturday night. I started to go to seven,
couldn't go to seven, and it going to like nineteen,
which had less but still something in mind.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
It was.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
It was pretty quiet, everyone was just kind of watching.
It was a pretty pretty low key theater. The only
thing that was even really stand out at all was
just there seemed to be like a couple of people
who were just just more aware of where the jokes were.
One that cracked me up. But there was one particular
person that specifically when they said, you know, I think
he says fifth dimensional limp exactly that. I think that's

(10:38):
the exact phrase, some dimension. It's a it's an easy
name drop to pick up. And the guy behind me
did that hu like the clear recognition thing was like, oh,
it's a real one behind me. Cool, I'm okay with that,
but yeah, it was. It was a good viewing experience.
I did find there were people around me, had a
good time. I got one of the crypto buckets.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
You spent so much money on those things. With the
first shot, I know, I know, but.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
This one it's it's this one was cute.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Evione loved it. It was naturally and I got to
see it because behind the thing I wasn't necessarily going
to get it, but the person that was near the
popcorn had hit it end up, had hidden the actual
crypto thing in the popcorn, And when I was like
looking at the merch, she was like pulled it out
and like showing me the crypto. I was like, m
that does need to get home. You're not wrong, and

(11:30):
and you know then after that we just sort of,
you know, I need popcorn, so of course I have
to go ahead and get it.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
There have been there has been instances of it meshing
and overlapping. But it is so funny to me that
we are so close in personality and we are so
into the same things, but our merch purchasing habits wildly different,
very very different. Like you're like popcorn buckets and I'm like,

(11:57):
by the way, by the way, man for the fantastic
for galactus bucket that fuckers eighty dollars, but it is.
It is a giant galactus head bucket and you it
comes with like the the little horns and you put
them in the side of his head and his fucking
eyes light up. Bro, Like that ship looks so dope,
It looks so cool.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I saw a picture of it today because someone was
making fun of how the uh, mister fantastic bucket looks
like a giant penisund.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
But the galactus bucket is fucking is the one light
up in it? Oh that's anyway, you go out here
and you'll buy these like ridiculously, you'll spend, you know,
drop one hundred bucks on buckets and ship and I generally.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And I did happily.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I was.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I regret nothing.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
It was wonderful, aside from the galactus one, like I
will admit, I do a do like your your Superman
uh the one you got, But that was like the
newspaper holder.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh yeah yeah, and the newspaper itself. If you take
that slide that out, reverse it at the other as
a crypto headline.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh see, that's great. I do think that's really I
do think that's really cool. If I had like just
a little more, a little spare cash for that. I
would probably got that, but I was really excited to
get like the.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I kind of made space for this. I knew I
was gonna do some stupid thing.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, well my space is Superman Action figures, Like I
want Action figures. You're gonna get popcorn buckets. You know,
we might both, we might both get a shirt. You're
gonna get five shirts.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I did. I did have to go get another shown.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm gonna be like, I got a shirt. I'm good.
But I bought a poster like yeah, and you're like,
but I bought socks. It's just like we it's just strange,
a strange difference.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I was a little curious on the second showing, just
for curious. I also wanted to check, you know, just
the Walmart stock is a good option, and about about
half of them are gone. Some size is gone of
the just the the regular s shield shirt, the one
I wanted to pick.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Up, one of Trustful was empty.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
The last time I checked, Yeah, it was about it
was about half gone again.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Just yes, okay, so they restocked, gotcha, because yeah, it
was like three days ago. I checked, and I was like, oh,
Jesus is gone because I was worried because I'd seen it.
It was just stock stock stock stocked for like two
months and then all of a sudden it was just gone,
and I was like, Jesu is.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
It is indicative to me that it has moved a
little bit. I mean, I'm not not joking that there
has been there has been a vibe in the streets scene.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, oh dude, Like our theater was not like packed,
but like I said, it was early showing, but the
people who were going in, they were all wearing those shirts.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was. It was a great time.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
And I wasn't. I was wearing a fucking food fighter shirt. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It the genuinely just the vibe coming in and out.
I haven't I've seen everyone just everyone's having a great
time with this. Like everyone leaving the theater. There wasn't.
There was no grumbling. It was all just people saying
like that exciting or like I said that, you know,
Yester on the other of you, there was like the
one guy sitting next to us that literally said about

(15:06):
the most it's the most desirable thing you could get, like, oh,
you know whatever that was. That was the guy I
wanted to see on screen, Like, yeah, okay it that
has been the takeaway. Just walk, you know, walking out
of it with people. You just get the Yeah, it's
just been a pleasant vibe. I mean even just no joke.
Like my neighbor that I've never talked to before, like
nodded and smiled at my shirt earlier just because I've

(15:26):
got this Superman shirt onto.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, never spoken to the man in my life. We
had a smile, had a quick nod together. Yeah, because
that's that's how that's how things are today. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
There's a thing though, you know, like I mean, I've
been seeing all over the place people are excited about
this shit.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
M Like you say, you're an article in Spanish, because
I was like, dude, I'm getting to practice my fucking
Spanish at this point.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, yesterday.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Even the reviews in other languages are just oh, this
is extremely hopeful.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
You know. I've seen a few reviews that were not kind,
but like the the comment section was everyone just saying
fuck you to this guy. Yeah. I like one guy
was like, oh, this is the motherfucker that gave the
New Jurassic Park four out of five. Fuck him.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It was like got him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yesterday yesterday I went.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Out I read it a murdered by word.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yesterday I went out in my like I take me
Home shirt with soups and Crypto on the moon looking
at her. Yeah, and I had like three different old ladies,
not even like young people who would be you know,
these were just like older people, old ladies going like, oh,
like your shirt, I want to see Superman. I'm like, dude,
that is like, look man.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's what you want. That's what That's what's supposed to
happen when you market a movie in the middle of
the summer. That's what it's supposed to feel like to
watch a movie.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Do I feel light? And I missed him? I feel
like I have to have a qualifier here, y'all. You
know I I every Superman, every comic book, movie, everything
I have some issues with. I have some problems with.
You know, if you've listened at all over the last
ten years, you know I did Snyder, I dig cavill,

(17:09):
I love Man of Steel all that. It took a
minute to grow on me. But I do enjoy Man
of Steel quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I'll defend it even there.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
What this is what I was looking for back then,
because back then, what I was getting as an excited
Superman fan or as an excited DC fan was why
about Man of Superman fighting? Well, that's Superman, Oh, that's
wonder Woman.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Why is this a lot of he wouldn't never done?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well? Actually, And I'm like, actually, he has, but don't
you know.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
And this is a really fun way to deconstruct things
and look at it, and that's all true, But it
didn't create the same vibe as.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That I will. I maintained that Snyder and Cavill, they
were ahead of their time. We weren't ready for this yet,
we weren't ready for that.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
And also the good point if you reversed these franchises,
if Snyder had come around in like twenty forty, would
probably do right after this, or if we'd just done
this in the odts and then Snyder came around now.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, maybe, by the way, did I noticed? There were
several things I noticed, like, uh, in this movie this time,
there is a line in there where it mentions that
Superman has said that he's against taking life unless absolutely necessary.
They said that somewhere in here in this movie.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Oh yeah, there are exceptions.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I was like, ooh, he slipped that in real quiet,
like off in the background, like on like a newscast
or some shit. M h.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
And I did like some or if you recalled TV's
the modern Greek chorus, and I very much dig that interpretation.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Who said this? What?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Some just some review were somewhere I forget, have no
source whatsoever. I'm just saying it wasn't mine. Somebody called
the like the TV's a modern Greek course.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oh that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I love the interpretation. Yeah, deadly actually.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah, So I was mad because I saw online someone
posted screenshots of like literally like I was sitting in
the theater taking pictures screenshots of the Hall of Justice
and there's like a mural in there of the Justice Society.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I didn't get to focus on. I didn't catch it.
Then I was so focused on the acting.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I missed it. Again. I was so mad. I was
driving home and I was like, shit, it's like it's
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
See Lois and Guy Gardner's pix and it's the whole
I was too into the same. Yeah, I knew it
was there, and like I knew it was there right
before and was still just kind of too it.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I did get to catch the Gotham City on the
on the highway. Yeah, well they're all like while they're
evacuating the city, which, by the way, that's got to
be one of my biggest problems, that they're evacuating the
city and successfully and like they said later on like
there were no casualties. I was like, fucking bullshit. I
think a swave cut down the fucking all right, But

(19:58):
the way I felt.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
It was actually will I'll give it that based on
the I have. I think there's an overall premise exception
here or thing you have to I think just Metropolis
is really used to weird ship.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, they've got like like I'm.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Not surprised that they would just evacuate well yeah, I
think we're gonna have to accept that as premier.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, they've got like megaphones and ship. There's like all right, yeah,
time to evacuate pieces of ship. You get that, I'm
willing to. And also it's like it was.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Like the whole major cities like this would have like squads,
like like team kind of things. Like you like you
have like a neighborhood person who is like your your
accountability person for the neighborhood, right, your emergency point. There
were to be strategies for people who lived in certain areas.
So mm hmm, disnify that ship. You don't get a system.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, but I you know, again, this is like downtown Metropolis.
It's not like the entire metropolis areas. Yeah, like they
were like Lois was like, oh yeah, it's almost here.
There are people there, like okay, right, did you notice
at the end the guy that gets that Russian gets
Russian rouletted uh who uped Superman? Like Lex shot him

(21:01):
in the head. He got the newspaper Jimmy's looking at
is like a like a headline, front page headline of him. Yeah.
I did not notice that the first time.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, he got a real I guess a
noble he is. He's just a purely noble thing throughout
the whole film.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah yeah I was.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
But yeah, he gets three pieces. We get an interaction
with him, a major scene, and he does get a goodbye.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
And see that's the thing though, that's that's one of
those things where I was sitting in there thinking about
that in the theater right after it happened. I went
for all the ship and yeah, it's it's different because
the bad guy does it for all the ship we
got about the fucking Zod's net getting snapped. Yeah, and
how that you know, Man of Steel wasn't a movie

(21:45):
for kids. That ship was darker and way worse.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
To me, this was way more brutal that it seemed
more word it's somewhere between. I think there's a couple
of things, like the the fact that Lex seems surprised
by the speed and the violence of it, and even
like that that's clearly a beat that's built into the script.
And then also the sort of that laughter, that shock

(22:10):
laughter reaction from the other guy where he's taking joy
in it. Like it, but it's it's a much more
brutal scene by any measure than what Mena Still was.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
It's It's the reason that I'm not gonna probably watch
this with like my six year old, because I don't
think that like that. I think that scenems a little
bit like when it gets when it gets to streaming
and and I can kind of take her out of
the room. I'll probably will take her out of the
room for that one and then just bring her back. Yeah,
Like that one for me even is like, Yeah, that
one's just a little let's not show you this, let's

(22:39):
give you a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, that was a little like I kind of didn't
want to see it again.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, it's not like it because it it isn't fantasy
violence and like that genre that people created in censorship
I guess or whatever. It's not. There's nothing fantastical about it.
That was just brutal and human and that I think
that's the whole point of the scene, obviously, and it
does a wonderful job of it, but.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's it was. It was rough. I shied away. I mean,
I still looked because I was already jerking off, but
I was.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You said it was an empty theater.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Mostly, Yeah, no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I did. I did catch little pieces of dialogue. I
thought the previous theater where Riaan was was probably about
ten percent louder than I wanted.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Oh god, yeah, but the one that I went to
today was a bit about ten percent darker than I wanted.
The screen was a little darker, and I was.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Like, no, no, it's not quite hit.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
No, I've seen this. I remember being able to see
her eye there.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, his irises are way pretty good.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I was counting on seeing that eye because I'm jerking
off right now?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Why am I doing this?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Poor jokes that poor jokes get pummeled as hard as
this imagine a penis.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
That's right. Well, the sad truth is that I was
like sitting there, like the question is, well, either I
was sitting there like massaging my del toy because I
was in a lot of pain, you know, and that
was you know, and I was like periodically taking a
small sip of my water because I didn't want to
have to pee, right, so you know, I'm not jerking
off because you know, you got to pee right after

(24:16):
you jerk off.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's also true. I did manage to get not a
young man, well, I said, to get through this one.
I actually left early because I just kind of picked
the time and went and bought popcorn, like I got
in early for a second, and then popped back out
because I realized I did actually want popcorn and want
anyway or water rather. Yeah, i'd missed water. I forgot
water on the first row. But the point was I

(24:38):
picked a good time this time where I just literally
sprinted it out there and came back. But I was
happy I went back. If I loved the movie way
more this time than well, I got away, but I
got to love it more because I wasn't as much
my head and I got to actually experience it, and
that was just way more fun. I enjoyed the fuck
out of it way more this time, I should say,

(24:58):
but I would. I'm back just for that mister terrific
scene that I missed when I got up the other time.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
What did you think that? That was awesome?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Hotly ship? That was great, Like you had to kind
of describe it to me literally the way you described me.
He was like, dude, it was fucking amazing. He was
throwing ship everywhere was the tea series were killing people.
I was like, oh, that's I wish i'd seen that.
And then yeah, I got I sat down again and
saw it, and like I was.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Glad you weren't disappointed, because like I was watching it
again and going like, well, that's not really what exactly
I described. I didn't remember that. Man, that's cool, that's yeah,
I mean, at least I could at least this is
cooler than what I described.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
I think you said also running around hitting people or
like fucking people up whatever I said.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
He was flicking tea spears. It looked like he was
flicking sid flick at the very end. Yeah, it was
like he was a gunslinger and like he was like
shooting them at it or something like.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah. He he literally just and it was. It was beautiful. Yeah,
Lois is The look on Lois's face on that and
that bubble was perfect. It's a god, it's a dude,
incredibly well done piece of action, just doing a like
a like a circle around the bubble while she's staring
from the inside watching mm hm. It was great.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I felt like such an idiot for not catching it before,
but this time I'm sitting there going my oh. It
hit me so hard. I was like, oh my god,
gun made a Batman reference with mister terrific. He made
an all star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder reference
with mister terrific.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
What say, would I'm the goddamn yes, yes, way, hilp damn.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, that is like totally an all star Batman and
Robbing the Boy Wonder joke.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Like that really probably is.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Oh my god. I was so shocked. Also, this is
for the first time I realized that I didn't catch
the bit where Lois was talking to Jimmy and she
was like, blah blah blah, your hot girlfriend or your
hot ex girlfriend, and Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Goes hot hot, Yeah, he's did you not know?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Man?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah? Are you he's he's there on the fence about her.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
What did he say about her? Toes? His her contact,
the mutant to the contact with was mutant toes?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yes, yeah, But then she.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Said, well she was on the phone with him. She says, Jimmy,
you told me my Toes looked like something.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, I forget about that in the in the close
I forget yeah. Oh wait wait wait no, no, no, I
didn't get say it. I think that was the scene
I split on was when he meets her in the
in the alley. That was when I went and had.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I think this was when they're on the phone.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I was in the phone. Okay, then I just missed
it on the phone, sorry, Jimmy. I had Yeah, I
was eating the popcorn. I was, I was getting parched.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, it's I did.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I tried to just run it and grab the water
foutain that was right there. So I'd missed nothing. But
look I get it.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I you know, I it's always hard, like I I
made it to the end credit so I didn't get
to see Superman and Crypto in the moon again.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
But oh, of all things, that choked me up, and
I didn't expect it. Yeah, that is like I don't
think I realized. I don't think I realized they hugged
that that Crypto hugs him the first the first go round,
I don't think I even registered that necessarily. Like this
time when it when it's like a hug thing, I
was like, oh yeah they were. That's like is goodbye,

(28:22):
I'll see you later. I got to go to the
other man.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Don't like that, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
That's how I read it. The second time was like,
it's been really fun Clark, but I gotta go with
her again. And you know she's my girl, right you
know that?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Like he seemed happily happy to leave he.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Did. I love that scene even more the second fucking time,
and it's it's over there also he's when he's over
there with Gary. Gary. I did catch that, Yeah, I
catch that. I caught that better the second round, go
right when he's over there with Gary. Though, just the
back and forth between those two, the like, this is
the why it doesn't have boundaries like the just they're

(29:00):
they're they're back and forth about how how she's raising
the dog was just so fucking perfect. It's it's such
a thing that like a farm boy would would be
thinking about how she's doing this with the dog. No boundaries.
You've just got to set some boundaries, man, you gotta.
But they're great, they're so there's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, And I didn't like there was a part of
me that was like, why would Like the first time,
there was a part of me that was like, why
would those robots call Clark Superman? He had to program them,
so why not Kalil and he calls that he calls
them Superman robots.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I guess. I mean, if I had candidate, I would
say they probably call him whatever he's dressed as.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Just can you know. The second time though, I don't
know why, but it all it all hit me the
right way, and I was like, oh, no, this is
just some silver age all star Superman ship. This is
what happens. Like he's Superman. He's he's owning it.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Like maybe just referred to him as whatever you feel like,
it's like knowing eminem, Yeah, call him Marshall's lymb whatever, Yeah,
whatever's on your mind.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So like I've seen I've seen some people, not a
lot of people who talk to us. I've seen some people,
uh complain that they shouldn't have made the Kryptonians, Uh,
they shouldn't have added the second part of this message
where the Kryptonians are like, oh no, no, you got
to go and lord over these people. That's the whole point. Now, yes,

(30:24):
it's the whole point. But you know, I have seen
some people say that, like that's giving the wrong immigrant message,
that like immigrants come here and their people wanted them
to do wrong to America, and that it was only
by being raised in America was he able to overcome
such terrible proclivities. I don't think that's what the movie

(30:47):
is saying.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Not even that's such a weird o tech. But if
if you're out there and you find that person, just
just walk just turn the other just walk away. You
don't have to, you don't have to, you don't have
to validate that question. Just turn around.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I felt like I needed to say that, But also
like I've seen some people who are like, well, I
don't like the idea that Joel and Laura would would
like send him to Rule one. You know, we've in
the comics, we've seen various versions of these characters. Sometimes
it's it's a Moses situation. Sometimes, especially in the movies,
it's more of a Christ's situation. But you know, we

(31:20):
know I was really supposed to be Moses and uh,
but at the same time.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Like, yes, there's overlapping those archetypes.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
But still, you know, if you consider the New Testament canon,
then yes, then Moses was the precursor to Christ and was.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Sort of yeah, it was like I would I wouldn't
suck up and go with that with precursors, well, it
was a foreshadow overlap, yes, Like he was delivering.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
People from from the enslavement of of the Egyptians. You know, yeah,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
There's a lot, there are a lot of the orphaning.
There's so many, so many similarities.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Now, uh, but you know, the creators were not Christians.
They were they were Jews, and they themselves were immigrants,
So yes, is an immigrant tail Fuck you. If you
have a difference of opinion, you're just wrong. It's not
a subjective situation. But here's the here's the interesting thing.
A lot of people are just upset because they don't
like the Kryptonian parents, uh, you know, Jorel and Lara

(32:19):
being that way. However, I had I saw a couple
of I saw a couple of people have some really
interesting takes on that. And here here's what I like.
Set up for a sequel. It's a set up for
a sequel. Jorell purposely fucks up that last half, the

(32:39):
second half of the message. Possibly this theory would purport
that Zod, having been in charge of everything of the
armies and whatnot, the security chief or whatever the fuck
he was general, discovered like got massive energy readings whatever. However,

(32:59):
figure out jorelle what he was gonna do and kind
of came in and said, I'm not letting you do
that ship unless you tell him to do this to
carry on Krypton. So Jorrel and Lara record that second part.
Jorell fucks with it just enough to Clark probably won't
be able to ever read it or hear it, but
it was the only way he was able to right

(33:22):
he was. It's an interesting theory that I like, and
it would be a great end for Zod if we
ever wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
That, a great in for Zode, A good way to
keep Bradley Cooper on the payroll and make him a
good guy.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, I don't know if that's you know, even in
Gun's mind. I think it's an interesting it's.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Fine look right now would qualify as a really good
piece of fanfit for the moment, to be sure, but
it's a.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Cool idea and it's a way they could go. Not
saying they will, but even if they don't. And here
we are again with you know, well, he's not supposed
to kill he did in Superman two, he did the
John Burne run. He did he has in the comicslah
blah blah. People as to going like, oh, jory L's
never done this before, and he didn't Smallville. Yeah, like
all of those in the in the eighties, the Man

(34:08):
of still Kryptonians were emotionless beings. There a bunch of
damn fulcans, a bunch of assholes.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean, there's a pretty there's a round from only
five years ago. So that was real similar where just
Jorl's a dicky, I mean it. Yeah, he gets a
little bit better by the end of that, but there's
a lot of versions where he is he's not. He's
not an admirable person.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, no, he's not always, so it wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Be jarring to find him like it. Here's the other
fun thing about this though, And I'm curious because that
a lot of you, i mean, most people know about Superman,
but like the basic tenets, and that's what's hit so
hard here is the little the little bits that you
do know about Superman are represented here for the most part.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
He pulled from a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
But like the the regular GA kind of stuff that
just we all like if you just asked the average person,
what do you know about this guy? Like strong and good?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, okay, we'll get that on screen, right and like
like that, that's there in spades and glorified and wonderfully so.
But you've also got room for so much more stuff
if you.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Want to later. Now, look, I would never in a
million years given that example, I would never in a millionayears,
tell any of our listeners when people say, oh, he's strong, right,
don't actually just go well, actually, it's a tactile telekinesis.
I know I did that shit the other day on
the podcast. But I was talking to y'all like we've
got like three GA members, We've got three general audience

(35:28):
people who wandered into this show and decided about fifteen
minutes ago not to fucking listen to anymore, Like, don't
overwhelm the general audience. Just go, yeah, watch the thing,
because we wanted to be successful. I'm such a did that.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
There's a certain amount of just be kind.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Be kind, be kind, but also don't overwhelm. Like that
was the thing that I had to learn from my
brother in law. Yeah, because and he would just ask
me a question and I would send there, really I
don't know how to answer that, and he's like, the
easiest way possible. Just don't don't go into all that,
just yes or no?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
How do you do it in the sentence?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Okay, this is this is you know, elementary school teaching
you that Columbus thought the world was round and everyone
else thought it was flat. Like it's just just dumb
it down, just dumb it down.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
I do find it useful and even you know, kind
of especially at work sometimes just okay, well I want
to write a paragraph. But if I just had one sentence,
so that's all you're going to read anyway, what would
I make that sentence be? It does make you you
pull it down a little bit something specifically I noticed
about halfway through this movie that I wanted to bring
up with you, sure because I had had I finally

(36:49):
got I finally got what I was looking at. There
was something about about the way Lex Luthor was Haltz
Luthor that I couldn't get my words. I couldn't get
my words on it. I finally got it. Mm hmm.
He fucking sings this role. M Like when I when
I listened to it, like for the first half of
the film, I was doing this and then I realized
he's he's especially when he gets into the speeches. He

(37:11):
it really does feel like singing sometimes, Like first of all,
the other thing that's so goddamn gripping about it, and
like I think they came up with the salaries and
his like higher he earned every penny whatever he had.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, there's was like seven seven fifty fifty and two.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
That's how these things work, and you earned every penny.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Good job. I mean he's also like a way bigger
star than either of them, Like yeah, yeah, he's been around.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
There are metrics for this kind of thing. That also
there's a whole system.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I've seen some people complaining about that, like oh well,
because some people were like, hey, she made the same
amount as Superman, and then they're like, yeah, but the
other guy got two million. Fuck you. He earned every penny.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, he's been had a bigger name coming in. It's
just that matters in terms of money. It's just how
it is. But there are two things about this performance
that I'd specifically get my head around more. One, he
is physically there, and I remember a Gun saying something
about somebody saying something, but I think it was Gun
that said he liked the fact that this guy stands
there with him. And then when you really get to
see it on screen, I got to focus on it.

(38:09):
He does he looks like if you gave that man
half a fucking chance with a mechsuit, mm hmm, he's
coming after that, dude. Yeah, And like he he is
one a and like he wants to get out there
with his his damn hands, and like he he just
and like anybody else on the planet, if that guy
walked into your office and screamed, where's the dog like that,
you would dissolve into a sad whimper and give him

(38:32):
anything you wanted. And Les just SIPs his coffee like
I he just exists on screen with Superman in a
way that I was like, no, he actually he belongs
in this conversation. I fucking dug it. But the thing
that other otherwise really stood out was like, especially when
he's doing these long speeches, like he'll say these sentences
and the words, he drags them into the next in
a way like he he almost fucking sings the scene.

(38:55):
Like I genuinely think if you put metal like just
how you see some of the other YouTube videos where
they do that, you just grab you know, audio track
and throw it in that. I think if you do
that with him, it's gonna go great. Yeah, Like the
bits about like they chose him, you know. Just listening
to it again, I was like, man, he's so fucking
musical with this thing. It's it's fierce. I loved it.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, yeah, I man, I mean I wound up blacking
the whole movie a whole lot more. It's just you know,
getting over than than getting over my expectations and all
the extra bullshit, the baggage from previous versions, Like.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I look at the episode number we're doing right now.
We've been through some shit.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
We've been through some shit. Yeah, and you know, here's
another thing, is like, and I talked a little bit
about that, and even then on last episode, I knew
this is where I was going to land on this
because it is going to be very hard for anyone,
like you do lose grandeur, the grandeur of the previous
versions of like look at him, he's so stoic, and

(39:55):
oh he's kind, but he's you know, he's so powerful
and look at him gracefully floating down to the earth
and oh my god.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well all right, so like the not impressed right, Which
that's great, it's great. It's a different kind of grace.
It's a phenomenal on screen, but it is a different
kind of it.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
It is it is is a different kind of thing.
And then you read something like All Star Superman, and
you see the like Superman is both of these things.
And I did get some of that here, like for instance,
when he catches that building and the woman drives away
and she looks back and he's just like majestically like
floating up out of the cloud of rubble.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know, that was like we gave him some framing
for a second.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Oh that was great.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I thought that would do your storyboard and little hearts
some good it.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Would and it did. There are definite places where that
is present, but.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well they're in the fight scene with the laser vision
and all the swarming that that was designed so so visually, and.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
That's one of the things that I always liked. And
I know, I know he said some stupid shit at
some point about Asians or something, Jeff Loeb, but he's
one of the best writers to capture h Superman and
is has did a very good job at some point
of being able to show us the majestic god creature

(41:20):
as well as the farm boy and even like kind
of showcase that through some internal dialogue from from Batman,
who is like, yeah, so he is all that he is,
all that majesty and that strength and the ability to
destroy us, but he's also a fucking farm boy who

(41:42):
is just like the purest of the pure and like
he's the one who you know, he he's he's more
human than I am for fox.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Sake, Like he's out here saving squirrels, so like, and that's.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
That's one of the things that that's gonna be a
hard thing to completely grab to like hit both of
those things so well. And I feel like Gunn really
did a good job, like the Daily Planet people had
a lot more than I remember them having the first time, Like, man,
this movie comes at you fast.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Uh So, I don't think the pacing was an issue.
I haven't watched it the second time. I don't think
the pacing was you I think it was a meat problem.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, I think I think Third acts a little fast.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
But not not wrongly. I think I just was having
trouble keeping up because I was in my head.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
You know what I think if there is a pacing
issue is at the very beginning, but weary even. I mean, uh,
it's just literally I felt like this time the I
mean it was like a minuscule complaint, man, like for
fux sake, Like it was tiny, Like I just felt
like maybe the maybe the little sentences expository sentences about

(42:51):
you know, three centuries, three decades. Oh yeah, all that
came up a little bit too too fast or not
in sync with the music or something. I couldn't replace it.
And then uh, you know, Clark Landing and Colin Crypto.
I felt like that came on a little too quickly,
but like by seconds, like it wasn't important, dude, Like
it's not important. This is a fucking great movie. Like

(43:13):
I'm I'm you know, last time, I was like, this
is a pretty good movie. It's not a great movie. No,
I think it's a great movie.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Like like coming back to it kind of I can't
when I kind of went I can't wait the same.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, coming back to it and really like being able
to really take it in, Like I mean, I know,
I know it's not a reason to think that it's
a great movie. But Guy Gardner eating his fruity pebbles,
Like there's so much of that. It's like so much
love of the comics YE put in there, and so
much like like silver age stuff. Like he does embrace

(43:45):
his Kryptonian heritage, but it's important for him to like
also like realize that the the most important thing he
got was from his Earth parents, Like.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Yeah, I mean the people who he actually spent time with.
The lessons you learned there, Like that's what that's what
he embraces at the end, I mean, I having spent
more time with it, I got I got a little
more choky at the end when he was you know,
when he was floating like that, when he like when
he said the Lione got me the first time, when
he says the thing about you know, I'm going to
kill your whatever, like yeah, good luck with that, and

(44:15):
pops up and just becomes fucking Superman For a little while.
I was like, goddamn, oh fuck I needed that. That
was thank you, and like the speech at the end
just gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah yeah from him and Lex like both good yeah yeah.
Where he's like, oh, you're envious, He's like you damn
righte him envious?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Like, I feel legs a little bit a little bit.
How did you How did Michael and Black sip with you?
Because you didn't even really notice it that the first time.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I know, I so the first time, I didn't the
first scene he was in the first time, I didn't
really and then when it hit him face on, I
was like, holy shit, Michael and Black.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
But I kind of felt like he was just doing
on Mike Myer's character almost.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
See I thought you you said he was Tucker Carls set,
which I guess is probably closest.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I feel like I don't have I don't watch enough
writersphere bullshit to like know exactly which.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
They weren't going for a one to one on anything.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
But I don't think it was exactly anyone, but it was.
It was very much and it and even then it
was like, it's like this blend of it's not exactly that.
It was like between him and a little bit of
Fillish and a little bit of Alex Jonesy, Like there
was this smarmy conspiracy kind of feel to it, but
also even that guy at the end of it, it's like, well,
we thought we knew Lex.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
You know, like, yeah, absolutely, you know. I think one
of the first one of the things, one of my
little problems in the first time going through was that
we maybe I felt like they got to arresting Lex
a little too quickly, like maybe that should have been
for a future movie. But then like thinking about it
from like the A Gun mindset, I'm like, m no,

(45:55):
this is the quickest route to Legion of Doom. Shit, yeah,
the world.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
He's a bad guy, yeah, and it has been for
a few years. We just found out.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
This was his coming out and let me put that,
let me say this, and this is where we're losing people. Well,
if Gun had you know, proves that he did all
oh my god, he did all this ship and now
he's arrested and then like by like the third or
fourth movie Lex's president. That's gonna be a statement on
our times. Yeah yeah, because Lex is charismatic. Our guy

(46:30):
isn't even that. Yeah yeah, yeah bye.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
That is gonna be a fun That is gonna be
a fun like dynamic to watch on screen for a while.
By the way, A small detail that I didn't I
don't think I mentioned on the last show. I think
I mentioned to you afterward, was how great that broken
arm looks. Yeah, that's the most realistic broken arm injury
I think I've ever seen on screen. Yeah, I wanted
to go check him, dude with Lex or with Superman.

(47:00):
With the Superman had like a dislocated shoulder. And that
ship looks bad too. It did look bad. I mean
Lex's raise like it's it's raised and swollen away over
I have seen that ship that is Oh man, that damn.
That's good anyway. For some reason that impressed me. I
was like, oh damn, A cool detail. Yeah yeah, I
barely got to it over all the acting.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Mm hmmm. Yeah, I'm I'm so happy that I am.
I have come out on the because I liked it.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
But you know, it was still like, I don't know,
I think I was over I was overwhelmed.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, I think a lot of it was overwhelmed, and
a lot of it was just like they didn't do,
you know, enough majesty shots or some ship you know.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, So here's something else I thought. I I wanted
to ask you about one. Let's imagine a version of
this movie that's two and a half hours too, oh whatever,
with current run time, right, so that's ad that's tacking
about half an hour. Yeah, but you do the thing
that at the end of when we were talking, I
was saying, oh, man, so refreshing, And let's not do this.
Let's say you do it where everyone gets their little

(48:05):
intro and they get a couple of minutes a little
bit of backstory. I don't think it would have been
done poorly here. You could have made room for it
and it would have been a two and a half
hour movie and it would probably been fine. But I
didn't have to have it, And in a way that
was even more fun because you didn't have to make
me stop for it. And I don't think I would
have enjoyed a two and a half hour movie with
that as much as I've enjoyed going to the theater

(48:25):
twice for this two hour movie. Yeah that that respected
my knowledge of the genre enough to be like, hey,
we're just gonna we're gonna play with your action figures
basically check this shit out.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, yeah, cool, So I agree with you. Another thing
I've seen people complain about is the Kents, And I
didn't get the hate before, and I certainly don't get
it now. Like I've seen some people, like really like
people whose opinions I respect, and I'm just like, y'all
are way too upset about the Kents, dude. Like what

(48:56):
I like about the Kents so much is we've never
seen I mean, like, like I've said, the closest we
got to these Kents, these mom this mom Pau was
really Lois and Clark, and yeah, Like what I like
about this is like, you know, it's okay if one
the kids aren't like daddering old people who you can't

(49:17):
imagine doing anything of worth, like by the time like
because like Superman the movie, by the time they find him,
like she's already been like Paul your heart, I'm like,
my god, they're already elderly. Like You're like, I don't
think you guys should be raising Yeah, you're h seventy eight,
seventy eight. I'm going like they should have taken him

(49:39):
to an orphanage, Like I don't think that they are
for this right.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
This was a poor decision as caretakers. He passed the
first litmans or failed the litmus test.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
But like, and then you know, Man of Steel again.
I love those cats, but or Smallville for for for
Christ's sake, Like, Okay, it's great. They are. They are
very strapping, very attractive mod pawkins. Yeah. Yeah, but you know,
and it's not to say that it was anything that

(50:10):
I was sitting there just going like, oh man, why
can't we have somebody like less attractive than Hollywood types
being mob packin. But it is nice to be like
to like subvert that Hollywood expectation of you know, you
know Hollywood does that where they're like, oh, well they're
the good guys, so they have to be super attractive,
and then bad guys are always kind of unattractive. Yeah,

(50:33):
And I'm like, no, this is these this mob pawkin.
They're great actors and they look like just people.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Those are the most realistic two people I've ever seen.
It's like I would genuinely anyone who does not believe
those people exist. Like there's there's one line in there
that thinks a bit awkward. Everybody in this movie has
like one line or something that think it's a bit awkward.
Maybe maybe accept Superman. His awkward lines are like when
he says golly, and they're meant to be awkward, but
like I caught that one this time and laughed, hecking,

(51:01):
and he says, like what the heck anyway, But like
I like that. There's like one line in there where
she says like, oh, he's an old mush that I
was like, that feels a little. That feels a little weird,
but genuinely every other piece of the the entire workings
of it, the inside of those houses, how they're furnished,
the carpet that everything, the rust on the swing thing
outside that I know creaks and you probably had to

(51:23):
take it out and foldy. Like everything about that is
Book of flight. Come here, I'll just drive you out
to these people. If you don't believe they exist, I
can name them. These are real. That's the most realistic
version I've ever.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Seen that he's an old he's a mush, He's I
have literally heard women say that about their husbands down here.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I have to it's not even the unprecedented. I just
think it's a little.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
He's a mush like. He's just an old mush like.
I've literally heard this.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I have sat in a church pew and heard the
fucking sentence.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
But these are the type of people, very realistic people.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
To me, these are the type of those people down
here who they don't care about your politics. If you're hungry,
they are going to feed you. You know, they don't
care if you're gay. If you were hungry, they are
going to feed you. They're going to give you a
place to rest, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Like if we do actually still have those here, I
promise this. It's hard to believe when you look at where.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
We actually know what there. You know, you know, Matt
Carroll from the mcucs, we're the majority, but Matt Carroll
from the mcu cast. His mother is that person, like
she would like any any stray kid, She's like, Yep,
I believe in this and this and this and this,
but I don't care what you believe. If you're hungry,
you're coming in here and you're gonna get fed. We're
gonna give you a place to stay, like kids, she

(52:38):
let kids in there who wound up stealing from them,
and she's just like, you know what, I'm not even
calling the police on them. That they must have needed it.
It's okay, yeah, don't be mad, Adam sweetye. Like so, like,
I don't know, it bugs me when, like I mean,
I've known people like this and people are like, oh, there,
it's fucking awful. They were a cartoon. No, those were

(52:58):
real people.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
No, those are the musty like in a way, the
previous versions are just sort of farmer archetypes that Hollywood
uses a lot, and I think there's a lot of
it not being stamped that way that people are like,
that's not dignified. I don't agree on this one. Like
it's not. It's just not using the same archetype. Those
are the that's a different kind applied here. I know
those people though, and that's the kind of people. Well,
those kinds of people when when I meet him, are like, oh,

(53:21):
you're you're the You're the people around me that like,
you're the ones I can actually respect. Like it's such
such a biable scene to me, though, especially with the
advice he's giving them. It just it comes from such
a down to earth place mm hmm. And and then
still hitting it the second time, that advice still hit
me as the most important fucking line in the movie,
Like it means more. How what you thought that message,

(53:42):
how you thought that ended means more or whatever, he says.
I still wish I remember the words.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
But yeah, so even like Jimmy Olsen, man, because something
didn't sit right with me the first time, but like
this time, I saw the smile at the end, Like
when Eve is with Eve, when she hugs him, she's like,
we could be together, and he kind of looks disgusted.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
He there's a resignated yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
And then like and then like you could see his
he's like the fucking grinch. You see his heart his
heart grow, Yeah, and he just smiles, Like, dude, she's
not a bad person. She's just dumb and she was
in a bad relationship and she never got over you.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And may not be that dumb. She knew what was
in the background of those pictures, and she's definite purpose.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, she definitely knew what was in the background of
those pictures.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Like we're not gonna go full you know. Man explaining
the coax cable like they did in Superman two or
three whatever that was too, I guess right with with
that one, but like, yeah, it was she knew, she knew.
I liked watching that too, having seen watching it the
second time. When you see her in the background, she
is kind of in the background taking selfies at very
particular times.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yes, all right, Uh so I'm I'm I'm in full
on love mode with this film.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Uh yeah, yeah, I've enjoyed the shot out of this weekend. Yea,
the vibe, everything, like, my thread's up right now, like
we were just talking before, my threads right now is
just a Superman twenty twenty five app m h. Everything
on that thing is just reaction after your reaction, reaction
and pretty much all positive at this point.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah. Mostly. Well, now, look, I put out a call
when we decided we were doing this, yeah, and I said,
you know, if you have feedback, you want to you
want us to read on the air, And I barely
got anything. Huh. And then I realized I asked a
few days ago, what you guys, like, well, what you think?
And I've got a lot of feedback. Oh okay, so

(55:32):
they already were like, what fucker I already gave it
to you.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Why is the top response here just the finger emoji
to the left?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah all right, so uh yeah, let's get to some
of this feedback. And we talked a little bit more
about the movie through that, and we're gonna go with
our patron. Eli Hernandez first says, guys, just finished watching
Superman for the second time, and I'm going on Sunday
to watch it again with my niece. I loved this movie.
I can nitpick at some of the parts of the

(56:03):
movie that could have been better, but I really believe
the movie was a solid a My favorite characters were
mister Terrific, Lex Luthor, and Spoilers. Supergirl. All thirty seconds
we got of her sounds like, sounds like you guys
enjoyed it too. I'm glad, Yeah we did. I can't
my god, I can't wait for the Supergirl movie. I just, oh,
my god, I want it, like if they I am

(56:25):
tired right now. But if, for some reason, somehow even
an assembly cut, not even a fucking finished movie with effects.
If somebody called me and said, motherfucker, they are airing
Supergirl right now down at the theater is fifty dollars
assembly cut, the ad R is not even there, right,

(56:48):
I'm going, I'm going right now, God, I'm excited about
that movie. Well, and it's also it's like Jason Momoa's Lobo,
like the dating.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Even really, do you remember who even connected the dots
on what's coming on there?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Barely connected to the fact that this is really in
an ongoing universe already. I've barely started to connect the dots, honestly,
I've I've barely gotten out of just how much that
was a good start of it.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, do you remember?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, you got creature commandos and a whole backdrop on it.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Do you remember when they announced Jason Momoa as as
Aquaman and they put up a picture of him and
I was like, why is this fuck or not? Lobo? Yeah,
that's that's on an episode somewhere. Yeah, that's all one
of our episodes. That's how long we've been doing this, y'all?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
So uh yeah uh teaching Ruse on Threads says it
was a fun ride. Can't wait to see it again.
There were some pitfalls in regard to pacing and plot holes.
I don't know what the plot holes were. I read this,
I read your your, your thing like ten times in
my head teaching, and I was like, what plot holes?
I thought, you're you're better at this than I am.

(57:52):
Maybe you can tell me, Jason.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I can't. I wondered too. I have one question that
I can't make sense of. I was hoping you caught something.
On two viewings. I still don't know, all right, so
I don't. I didn't register any like major plotals. I
don't think there was anything that was internally illogical about
what I saw, not that I've thought of yet. I
think all the moviment movie actually flowed better the second time.

(58:15):
There's little bits that I didn't catch, like when Superman's
trying to crawl out of that hole afterget in his
ask pet the second time early in the first fight,
that the crowd is doing so much. I didn't hear
how I didn't clear it clearly enough. The guy that's
standing there next to him says, maybe you shouldn't done
that thing in whatever kupoor Superman, Yeah, like he I
didn't realize how clearly we hit that note right then.

(58:36):
There were a couple of things that were when I
heard all of the dialogue this time, were even more
clearly addressed than I suspected. Yeah, but the major one
I can't get it. I still can't get yet is
and I still don't understand why the Daily Planet crew
is in the ship at the end in the Tea Sphere. Yeah,
I don't think I've caught yet exactly why they have

(58:57):
to be in the ship for what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
They were fleeing the Daily Planet and the they were
in the Daily Planet for too long and people were
being evacuated, and it was way way better and easier
to get into that Tea sphere and get out of there.
Like they were. They were still like trying to figure
out like the Luther stuff to like put.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You know, that's where I missed because they were They're like,
they're just at the Daily Planet, and they do they
do the whole breakdown of uh, they break down the
entire article. They they do a little sessh on that. Yeah,
goes great, he pulls all the people, let's all get
in the ship. But I don't know why they're getting
in the ship.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Right then, well, they get in the ship because the
people have been evacuating for a minute now. And then
finally someone goes, we should probably get out of here.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Because but then he seems to not, but then he
only includes Steve as a result of there being a
sixth seat.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
No, no, no, he uh, there isn't a sixth seat
for Steve.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Oh no, she says five or six or whatever, and
he's like six, Yeah, grab Steve, but like it was
only five. He wouldn't have called for Steve though if
she had said five instead of six. M is what
I was talking from. I don't fully understand the point
of being on the ship right there. That's all I've
got though. I just don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Because I think they were the only people left in
the planet because they were still doing their stupid jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
That might be it that they were just the only
ones left in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Was still doing that, And then they literally went up
the stairs because in an emergency situation, the elevators aren't
going to be working, and they had to go up
the stairs, and they were holding all of their like
fucking whiteboards and shit there Perry white board with them, Yeah,
Perry whiteboard. But they yeah, they brought all their ship
into the tea Perry board, not a chief board, you know. Yeah,

(01:00:36):
And they brought it into the te sphere and were
like all right, and like they finished up and published
the thing while they were in the air, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Dude, I found an article where specifically, this is just
just written by a publishing nerd that was specifically like, oh,
thank god, Jimmy finally got CMS right, m M, like
they actually clicked a separate button for emails and hard copy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I just couldn't be happier that someone took a fuck
second for that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, dude, Yeah, dude, Yeah, I saw that, and I
remember clocking that the first time. I went, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
That is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
That's good, that's good. All right. So I didn't even
finish discussed feedback we got. Yeah, I don't know about
the plot holes, man, uh, tell us tell us about
the plot holes right in the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Cab that I have that one, and I felt like
I just missed something still, But other than that, I
really don't have anything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
What was the one? I feel like you didn't actually
tell me what it was?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
No, just the existence, yeah, just just why they're in
the sphere right then?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Well, I mean, look, man, the t spheres on the roof.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It's convenient.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Why why the hell would you go down into the
streets littered with cars when you could just get into
a tea sphere and fly off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It does seem easy, Yeah, Steve, that reminds me of something.
The biggest laugh in that cat which one?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
The cat?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
The cat thing? Yeah? Yeah twice? Was it in your well?
I guess you just had you and the jackasses behind you.
But in two viewings now, the biggest laugh was the
persephony laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah. No, I didn't know. They didn't laugh. My people
in my theater didn't laugh at all at that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Oh yeah, this was subtle of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
That one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
There were chuckles in the theater. Everyone was quiet laughing
when they were But that was the only one that
got any Are any actual out of my crowd?

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Let me tell you this, this was a shock. We
didn't have a lot of people in my theater. Everyone
cheered when they saw a peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah yeah, every last person in mine too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Never thought I would be in a situation where I
would hear a theater cheer at Peacemaker. Peker, the character
I barely had on my rad radar. I was like,
you know, I'm aware of it, you know. Yeah, we
started this podcast, I was vaguely aware that there was
a punisher rip off in DC called peacemaker. Yeah somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, it the and he delights now by the way
and know and and hear and seeing that in the books,
it's it looks like him. Of course he does. I
heard Gun say that too, somewhere where they're like, oh
have you seen Hi? Drawn laways like, yes, of course
that's cool. I do the thing and now it's cool.
Of course that's cool that he's up there, like yes,

(01:03:08):
of course. That's a response to the movies, like yeah,
I did that, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, hell yeah. Be
excited about a thing you did. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
That's great. All right. So going back to this feedback
that I keep going back and not doing, uh sorry,
pitfalls in regard to pacing a plot holes. But overall
I thoroughly enjoyed it going to see it again because
my issues with it may be tied to the projection
errors with a three D tech Oh okay, that made
the made the entire first fifteen minutes of the film
blurry and hard to follow. So I think that soured

(01:03:37):
my opinion more than I had more than had I
been able to be in it from the start. That
said standouts were mister terrific and Crypto for me four
out of five stars. Yeah, dude, like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
He wins, by the way, in terms of bad experiences
on the theater. That's so far, that's rough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
That's very close to Like when we first saw The
Avengers back in twenty twelve, went to this theater that
had they cut off the heads of everyone, so like
about that, we were like watching The Avengers for the
first time and zoomed in. You couldn't see their heads,
you just like seeing like their chin and their chest,

(01:04:15):
you know. And then like they didn't have air conditioning.
The air conditioning broke in the theater, so they had
these giant I mean and I mean giant, industrial fucking
box fans. Yeah, just going loud.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
You couldn't remember specifically. We could not hear puny God
until the second viewing, Like we went back to see
what's what they were saying in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
And this was like a rush job too, Like we
we like dipped into the theater closest to our job
because we both had to be at work at four and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, that's why we were
over there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
That is why we were over there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Absolutely no remember in my memory why I was in
that parking lot that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yep, yep, glad to be of service. I don't know
why I can't. I can't. I remember whole conversations we have,
but I remember shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I remember the parking lot over there at tracks with
my memory. I have no idea why it was there,
never have known for years. Now, Wow, that was in
that parking lot. That makes sense?

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Uh. Dystopika on Threads says loved it is far weirder
than expected in good ways. Absolutely, oh yes, And that
fucking reminds me. You know, I told you in the
in uh the last review. I think maybe that when
he gets when Ultraman gets sucked into that black hole,

(01:05:32):
I wonder if he's gonna find himself on another Earth
or another planet that he turns into Bizarro World. You
know what I didn't notice then and I noticed this
time is like in this pocket universe, like everything is
a fucking cube. There are like cubes everywhere, like the

(01:05:53):
surface is growing cubes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah. I hadn't though about the fact they're a cube.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
The Bizarrow world is a cube.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Oh it is, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Uh huh yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
And those are anti proton. That's an anti proton river.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yep, that was my next point of order.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
On to Exhibit B.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
You say, like Gun has said he needs a reason
for things, so like if he's going, like, how the
fuck do I do? Because you know, I am so
thankful that like it wasn't just a straight up like
oh he's just becoming Bizarro because he's got clone problems. No, no,
he's gonna fight. I love that Gun found a way

(01:06:33):
to do both versions, if that's what he's doing, like,
and at this point, I don't see how he's not
because like silver Age shit, you know, okay, well there's
a cubea.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Earth, here's a cube Earth and Bizarro featured heavily for
a long time then.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
But you know, like post crisis is always just like
eh lex clone, Yeah, yes, can we do both? Yes, yes,
I'll do that, and I'll do that all damn day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
It's a cool take.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Uh huh, all right, hope everyone walks away with the
with that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Mm hmm. Dick Tracy Rose Gallery says so happy, love
the name me too. Dis Horbe says it is awesome
everything I expected in more ten out of ten no notes.
Risco Cinophile says loved it so much already bought tickets
to second and third showings. It is exactly the vibe
the world needs right now. Mco Zart zero one on

(01:07:32):
Threads says, finally feeling good as a lifelong DC fan,
It has been a rough ten years. M M.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Even the parts we enjoyed had yeah, had their costs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, magic always has a cost.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Fortress of Bailey Tude says, uh loved it, absolutely loved it.
Exactly what we needed from a Superman film. It mixes
elements from different eras of the comics in the films
and gives us something new. It was big and fun
and emotional. Now when can I buy the score?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I think it dropped on Spotify. I think it did
have the eighth I think it dropped when the prime
release hit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Uh Dimmy seven have gone back for a couple of
those tracks because a couple of them absolutely slapped m Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And now I'm gonna have to try to figure out
how to buy furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Oh, that one of the because the specific moments which
ones what kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Furniture the furniture that's that Jack White made and slipped
to that single. Yeah, the upholsterers singles.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Into the Michigan area.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah. Wikipedia says they've only found two of them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Got family and somewhere ab outside Detroit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
We can do some things, sorry. Jack White said. We
used to be an upholsterer and he and Muldoon had
a band called the Upholsterers and they printed, they did
sing They printed singles on vinyl, and then they slipped
some vinyl and poetry and stuff into some of the
some of the furniture they made if you furniture, Yeah, yeah,

(01:09:07):
I know you know this. But then I just threw
in a weird thing for the listeners and they don't
know what the I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
So we had just been talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
We were just talking about it. Sometimes I forget where
we were, where we were, but yeah, sorry, it be
fun though. My point is music hunting is always tough.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, it can be one of the names I forget. Uh.
So there's a track as he's going between the Pocket Universes.
It starts off you know, a little uh, a little
place you'll in Tinky Tinkley and then it kind of
it drops this guitar if any just super little little
industrial notes. I love too like it just yeah, it

(01:09:43):
had a groove. I loved it, and then you go
back and actually find that track and it I think
it's the track is titled Harem. I want to say
our secret Harem. It's not that I thought it'd be
tile of Pocket Universe or something, but all right, you
know or somebody or uh, Pocket Universe theme or something

(01:10:04):
secret here them though.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, okay, Oh, fanboy Planet on thread says feeling good,
I'm human.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Oh that is an instinct that I haven't seen as
much that you've hinted several times at it. But yeah,
we haven't had to. There hasn't been a lot of
having to just be like, I'm sorry, but I liked it,
and that's been nice. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah. Yeah. Now, I mean I have been a few
times disgusted by people who liked it because they decided
to say something really messed up, to be hateful about Snyder. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I've seen a little just a little unnecessary. I won't
even say catching strays because I understand why the shot
was fired. It's just we don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
We don't have Yeah. Oh yeah, there was one that
actually made me like put down my phone for the
rest of the day. No, Yeah, that was just like
someone was like, god, what was it, something like, uh,
I don't know, something bringing something to something, bringing Autumn
Snyder into it. Oh God, Like I bet Zach is
glad she she didn't live to see how much James

(01:11:10):
Gunn just owned owned him or something some horrible, fucking
wretched shit Jesus God. And after I blocked and reported
that fucker, I had to put down my phone and
go go live my life for a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
I was like, oh my god, yeah, go be somewhere else,
like no, but you know what it did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
It did. It reminded me so viscerally of you know,
everyone's like, why Arender the Snyder bros such dicks that?
Because we liked the Snyder movies and we dealt with
that ship for fucking however. Long yeah, seven or eight
years of just people being like, now Superman is not
that way, he doesn't get it, and like saying awful
shit like I've seen tons of shit, you know, claiming

(01:11:47):
that that's why Autumn killed herself because Batman be Superman
was too bad and horrid, horrid shit. So don't don't
let anyone trick you into thinking, including yourself, that it's
all one side. Because my god, Like Snyder fans got
a lot of shit, Like they they lived long enough
to see themselves become the villain if we're using DC.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yeah terms here, there was a progression some for some,
it turned for some. I think they're like there were
a lot of people that everyone was on the same
side for different reasons for a moment, and then as
that faded and thinned out, what was left was the
absolute flotsam and jetsam.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yeah, you've got some Magnetos out there right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
You got yeah, the drags, you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Got some magnetos. But you know what Magneto's origin story was.
There's a reason, there's a reason people got there in
a lot of ways. Yeah, it sucks, and I hate that.
The success of this movie is is making people think
that it's okay to be bring that back, because this
whole fucking movie is about kindness.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, yeah, it very much is missing the point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Totally missing the point. Andy Xavier on Threads. I think
this is one of the best movies of the year,
if not the best one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Easily my favorite so far. Although I really liked Thunderbolts,
I thought that was completely fresh for the MC.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
You know what I didn't see Thunderbolts. I am so
far behind on Marvel. I wanted to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Oh, let me give you my one line weird spoiler
not spoiler about it Thunderbolts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
That was sure, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Here's a quickie weird review of it. The score is
so good that I realized it's been several movies since
I realized there was a score. Okay, you ever had
that moment where you're like, oh, there's music in these
I borderline forgot because they didn't stand out until this one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
I hadn't thought about it. But now that you mention it,
the last time I remember thinking of thinking about a
score was probably No Way Home when they hit some
of those Elfman notes with uh when Toby popped out. Yeah,
and then maybe before that when they hit those Captain
America notes when when you hear them go on your

(01:13:59):
left in like endgame, you know, Yeah, I haven't thought
about the score of Marvel shit in a long, long, long,
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
No, it's it's been it's been a minute since I
actually heard now that this is relevant to men here
it has so Thunderbolts, though, it was the first time
in a minute that I can recall at least where
in the MCU I was like, I want to hear
that song again, mm hmm. But yeah, Superman, this one
has a couple of tracks like that early on, which funny,
funnily enough, this score seems to be basically and it's

(01:14:29):
kind of front loaded with like a couple of themes
that were new and stuff that I was like, God,
damn cool groove. I want to hear that. Yeah, and
then like the second half of just variations of John Williams,
and I'm fine with that. I don't. I feel like
I feel like half of the score when I go
look at it will be that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah. That's one of those things where you kind of know,
with gun going in, there's a pretty good chance that
this TV show and or movie is going to affect
my Spotify algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Well it has mind drastic so far.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Yeah, like I will wind up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
I mean, I'm saying that past tense. I'm already in
the in the in the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Yeah, dj X has been thoroughly confused by by James
Gunn in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Probably well I sent you these, I don't know if
I don't know if we've talked about it. So gun
did playlist on spotif for each character. Have you listened
to those?

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Uh? No, I've held off so far.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
It is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
I'm trying to like parse out my my content so
i can get a little a little high a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
In, you know what I mean, sure understandable, Like I'll
get to that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
My wife's going out. I went town this coming week,
and I'm gonna be kind of down, so I'll probably
start hitting that up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I was, I was craving some new music, and I thought, well,
if guns picked this playlist, there's probably gonna be like
a couple of artists in here that I'm like, oh
that's neat. Sure enough, though, Yeah, a couple of songs
in there went on the like list, and then like
one of one of them was like, oh, that's a
genre that I'm feeling right now as a whole genre
I've been doing for days now, like I'm I'm just
I'm yeah. Dj X has got whole slide shows now

(01:16:05):
based on a derivation of like one song that just
happened to show up there. That's my summer is apparently
basically going to be power girl pop and uh, childish gambino.
That's that's what my summer is looking like right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
I almost that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
I'm fine with that. Almost sent you a couple of Brothers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Forty swing tracks for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Oh good, Yeah, I almost sent you a couple of
Avett Brothers tracks, uh, yesterday, and I thought he might
not be okay with more music right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I don't know it's but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Like it's like stuff like you know, people have this
idea of like Avett Brothers, like, oh, it's like Mumford
and Sons. But I'm like, no, but I don't like
Mumford and Sons, but I like Avett Brothers like help
in my head, it's like, no, they're a different thing.
Does they came about at the same time and they
both have some bluegrass elements but it's not the same. Uh.
But yeah, there's there's a couple of tracks, specifically one

(01:17:00):
that like changes style a lot and does it really well.
So I was like, I don't know it, just I
really liked that album Emotionalism, and uh, I was thinking
about you, and I was like, I might need to
send him a couple of tracks. Yeah, take him all right? Cool? Cool? Anyway,
I don't know where we were going with all that,

(01:17:21):
but oh the yeah, the music of the movie. Uh yeah,
I've been aggravating with dj X lately or several weeks months, however, Oh,
DJX does this thing where he's like, hey, David, Yeah,
He's like, next up is something that you've been playing

(01:17:42):
a lot of. And then it'll be like something that
like dj X always plays, I always skip, and I'm like, no, motherfucker, no, no,
you've playing a lot of the ship. I skip it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I've ever played that once in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
And then and then, like lately, DJX would be like, hey, David,
just so you know, I'm catching that you're skipping a lot.
Anytime you feel like you could just hit that button
in the lower course, I'm like, I'm driving by the
fucker you're.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Supposed to be. He tells me, I'll see you skipper. Yeah,
because that whole genre sucked. Pick another, pick another playlist friend.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I like, Yes, I like Childish Gampino. Do not play
any more Luda. I don't give a shit about Luda.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Yeah, I have, I like a couple of I like
some Luda to be So if you skip, if you
skip around ten tracks or so, so it comes in
little batches like five or whatever. So if you skip
like a couple of batches, yeah, it's like two or
three of those. It seems to have a revert behavior.
I don't know if it's by by a coincidence or
if they've done this. If they've done it, it's a
little bit smart, but yeah, it seems to be like, Okay,

(01:18:45):
let's pick a genre, let's pick some songs you've been
playing lately, Like it reverts to let's just do your
repeated playlist liked songs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I swear to god, I feel like there's actual resignation
in that DJ's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Voice when it says that, yes, yeah, I like sense it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Like I'll skip like three things, three like segments entirely
because I'm just like, no, I don't want to hear
you know, I don't know. I can't think of a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Good twenty eighteen most liked songs, for instance, for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Right the second well, it also like will grab a
hold of stuff that I like, My wife lessens too,
that I just don't care about at all. So it'd
be like here's Andrew WK and I'm like, no, not
that you know, and then it has and it'll go
down like a whole track of things, like my wife
likes some hardcore stuff and just some stuff that I'm
not into. So it's like it's sometimes but I listen

(01:19:38):
to way more music than she does. She listens way
more podcasts. So yeah, but yeah, it'll get on those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Will It will hit you with comedy once in a while.
There are some songs you're really gonna like it. Yeah
I'm talking, But then it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Is also like it'll just do stuff like like Siica
ROAs or something like and I'm like, ah, that's not me,
that's not me, that's the wife. I don't I'm not
gonna do that. And then it'll be like there's this
resignation where it's like, all right, David, here's that twenty
five year old Sugar Race song. You like anything else

(01:20:10):
and from them? But also in my inside, I'm like, dude,
like you like I because I play albums like I'm
like I have. I play so much Ben Folds, I
play so much Wallflowers and Tom Petty and Bob Dylan
and all sorts of shit, and they will take like
dj X will take like one song and just play
that one over and over and over. I'm like, yes, yes,

(01:20:34):
I yes, dreams. My Fleetwood Mac is great. I don't
need to hear that one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Now mine's in my life. It thinks that it play
If it plays Beatles in my life at any point,
then I'll be grounded. And it's not wrong, you little
fuck her. But like, we don't have to use that
that way all the time. There are otherwise that would work.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I'm like, like I listened to a lot of Smashing Pumpkins,
but they always choose like you know, nineteen seventy nine,
and I'm like, oh my god. Or they always they love.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
To go to with today, Like yes, I always anytime
I get them. It's always the way. It is an anpath.
It just takes off from there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yeah, anyway, moving on with our problems with AI.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Oh one of my favorite those one of the other
big genres. So we'll do this thing. I do listen
to several things and I'll get into it like a
little little I'll go rabbit holes right now, dig into
like four albums. But it don't remember that. So sometimes like, hey,
we're gonna dig some new some new stuff you're into,
you know, some really really hype you up, Bubba, Like,
but does that speech where it's like ah, you know,
get it, get into the stuff you've been into lately.

(01:21:38):
Here's some new blah blah blah you're really gonna dig.
And then it'll play like something like nineteen thirty five,
like don't sit under that apple tree with anyone because
I've just been doing some esoteric ship for a second.
Like no, bro, no bro, I don't want to do
Glenn Miller right the second, not right now, all right now, okay,

(01:21:58):
maybe that one not but after that you remember.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
That Actually just makes me think of remember the Donald
Glover's comedy bit Weirdo, Yeah, where he does the uh
the old rap thing where he's like, I went down
to the hat store and bought myself a hat. Ha ha,
I don't. It's like all old rap is like that.
That's his personification of old rap, and he goes, nobody

(01:22:23):
wants to hear your old hat stories.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Some of old rap, Like, so there's some of old
hip hop. Hip Hop has the same pitfall as every
other recorded genre as it got taken off or was
taken off. It's just people experimenting the fact that there
is a new genre and it comes out being very
stupid and silly, because yes, it will be like, yeah,
can rhyme now like that like that was like we
can say words and they will rhyme. Also, here's what

(01:22:50):
an eighth eight sounds like behind me. But like every
genre has done this stupid shit. The eighties lasted the
entire eighties for instance, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I can't help but notice that after everyone's getting given
Will Smith shit because he put out a couple tracks
or something, they're awful, he's rhyming her stage for stage
and stage.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I'd heard that, which surprised me because his little promo
from like two years ago he looked pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
But now I guess, dude. I think there's like at
least two songs where he's mentioned in Chris Rock, the
Chris Rock thing, and you're just like Jesus Christ, dude,
get over it. But also like everyone's kind of like
over a Will Smith because they're like, no, you're a
cuck and we know it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
They're a little he goes to these periods though, Will
Smith just sort of fades away and comes back again.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
He'll be fine, uh you know, I mean he'll be
he's rich and shit, he will be fine. But you know,
at the same time, like that, the like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
If he was a stock i'd buy. In like twenty
twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
He lost a lot of credibility with the whole Jada
Red Table thing where she's like, oh, yes, I have
lovers and Will knows about it and he's just looking
mad the entire interview. Yeah, and then the Chris Rock
thing happened, which I'm pretty sure was a direct emotional
response from all of that, with the with like, oh yeah,
publicly I've been made a fool. Uh. But like kind

(01:24:08):
of digging into some of the Jazzy Jeff history of
it all and everything, I'm like, I kind of noticed that,
like the last two ever since Jazzy Jeff hasn't been
working with Will Smith is just like like two thirds
of Will's raps or just him going ah and they're
just bad. They're just bad. Like it was. It was
Jazzy Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
It was he was the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
It was Jeff the whole time. He was the one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
There are really cool stories to find out there about
him as far as like production history and music. He
was way more important and very clever, yeah than I expected.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
We've, of course, as we do, I've gotten way off that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
That is a that's a whole level of yeah, straight
up did the problem of shifting into another If you
can't swipe, you can't just next or skip your way
out of that one? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Sorry, no now now now? Uh Jay Hushka, I'm assuming
it's how you say that on thread says I'm very
simple with my movies. I either liked it or I didn't.
I loved this movie. As a lifelong DC Comics fan,
I was thoroughly entertained throughout the movie and can honestly
say that I can't wait for more. Bring it on,
James Gunn yep, maybe the Room Upstairs podcast. I don't

(01:25:20):
know what that podcast is, but you got me, You
got my interest piqued. Uh, feeling good about it, looking
forward to morrow from these characters and universe super couple
O fives has loved the acting in the VFX. I'm
not a big superhero person movie person, but I thought
it was a very fun movie. But importantly, you're not
a big superhero movie person, but you liked this movie
enough to comment on a superhero movie podcast asking that

(01:25:46):
just speaks to how good the movie is.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I think it does. I think it speaks to the
fact that people are just enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Just excited about it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Yeah, he been a lot of ga just hey, how
is it. It's it's good. Just go see it this
time and people are yeah, that's what I'm in here,
and I think I'm going to Yeah, they should like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
J tw Swave says fire emoji, fire emoji, fire emoji.
Yeah that's a yeah. I mean it's a lot of
rus man. You don't need words when you got those
kinds of emojis, and yeah that is how that went.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah, yeah, it was rhymed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
Yeah yeah. Scribbley Comics ohen On Threads says it was
very good and we had a blast watching it. Uh
Vorzeitelia nineteen twenty one says it's awesome and I don't
know what those emojis are, but there are three of them.
B Michaels says I'm feeling great. It was everything I hoped.
I'm going to see it again. Monkey Fu seventy four

(01:26:46):
says it was pretty damn good. Scott Bachmann was that
one of the monkeys from the Dude and from Oh
my God. Okay, so I'm sorry, Scott. We're gonna have
to talk about the monkeys real quick because I forgot
to in the first review, and I forgot too now
and you had to bring it up. So like, okay,
am I crazy? Or I mean all those monkeys are

(01:27:08):
gonna wind up with Grod on that in Oh it's fun?
Yeah you think right, that would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I don't know what you do with what looks like
thousands of monkeys that are hyper intelligent for monkeys, yeah,
probably not not intelligent for humans. It looks like or
at least they have one very specific skill set with
that brain. That that's I don't know what you do
with all those things. They seem playful. Yeah, them and
Crypto we are having a good time. Same like decent
natured monkeys once you get them away from a keyboard

(01:27:39):
like many of us.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Uh yeah, man, I was thinking about that after the
first time, and I was like, oh god, they're gonna
wind up being being under God's rule.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I would love it, or maybe or even just what
if they get like polarized by uh like by the
whole like they understand enough of that we were used
to get supert so like they show up later in
a Grod film as like a little secret army. No no, no,
there's a private army fighting Grod from the inside. The
whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yeah, fun, fun, fun, fun.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
They have incredible communication skills. That's how they've won this
whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Scott Bachman, I think that's how you say his name,
Scott Bachman or Bofman says all right, and now here
is my spoiler free review of Superman. David corn Sweat
had the unenviable task of picking up the cape and
dotting the big blue ties for the most recent outing
of the last set of Krypton. As a relatively unknown actor,
he didn't have a lot of expectations heaped upon him

(01:28:36):
by the public, and he hits it out of the
park by portraying the Man of Steel with a lot
of a lot more emphasis on his man portion. And
by that just sounds like you're talking about Dick Man.
There's some emphasis on his man portion. We've got some man.
That man portion's got some emphasis on it, let me

(01:28:57):
tell you that much. Uh, And by that I mean
this super is a human being first and a superhero second.
For my comic book nerds, this is more of a
silver age Superman. He's got more weaknesses than we're used
to in cinema versions. But while seeing Superman bleed isn't
that much of a shock. The physical weaknesses aren't the
main point of the story. It's his emotions that make

(01:29:19):
him weaker this time out and therefore more relatable. His
interactions with Crypto Jimmy Olsen, Mob Pockin, and of course
Lewis Lane give the movie something a lot of superhero
films have been missing for a while these days. Heart
Speaking of Leis Lane, my goodness, Rachel Brosnahan was born
to play this role. She is absolutely a spitfire and
when it comes time to be amazed by her man

(01:29:40):
but still be tough as nails, she is incandescent and
how she glows on screen when the Chips are down.
The Daily Planet Crew and the Scent Justice League sorry
Justice Gang round out our cast in excellent form. Nicholas
Holt menaces as a twenty first century Alex Luthor who
is totally based on some billionaires with medical aspirations that

(01:30:01):
you might recognize, and he and his villainous crew are
the perfect foils for Superman. But the real message of
the film isn't so much that evil must be opposed,
is that we as humans need to return to a
time when we did the right thing, when we did
the decent thing and cared less about ourselves and our
online reputation or personal gain than we did about helping
our fellow man, because in the end, we're all more

(01:30:23):
alike than we realize. We get up each day and
we try to do the best we can in the end,
that's our greatest strength. In This film holds nothing back
when it tries to go for that great, totally corny,
yet totally correct message of helping people, because deep down
we see this original superhero and we all want to
be Superman, but as an alien and outsider. Most of all,
Superman wants to be one of us. Lots of comic

(01:30:44):
book characters have messages they want to teach us. Batman
shows us what it means to be resilient, Iron Man
shows us what it means to be intelligence, Spider Man
shows us what it means to be a good neighbor.
But Superman shows us what happens when we aspire to
be more than we are. Four out of five stars, thank.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
You, Yeah, actually, then almost almost surprised it's four out
of that. After that, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
It'd be great. He was like one out of five,
three and a half, solid three and a half. I'm
not much for the inspiration. Yeah, uh, Scottie VJ g
N Spiccoli over, I don't know where that is, probably
probably x says uh in The Quest for Piece, Yeah,

(01:31:34):
this is twitter. In The Quest for Peace, Superman is
trying to stop war while Lex uses a lock of
Clark's hair to make an evil Superman that speaks with
the voice of Lex Luthor. And also there's a hot
young guy who gets lots of screen time. I'm gonna
take that to be pointing out that this movie kind

(01:31:55):
of just did Quest for Piece but will very very well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Yeah, okay, that makes more sense. Another half of that
sentence that, yeah, quite hit. But yeah that yeah, I
think that's the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
I don't know about the hot young guy who gets
lots of screen time, but the rest of it, Jimmy,
I don't know. I don't know. Andy Xavier on Twitter says,
I think it's one of the best movies of the year,
if not the best one. I think I may have
put that somewhere higher up as well, so I apologize
for saying that one twice. Jake at Buster Beyond on

(01:32:27):
Twitter says nine out of ten even better on second watch.
Not perfect, but I think the castings, characters, actions, ninety
nine percent of the visuals, and the pure apicness of
the score and sequences are spot on. Can see if
the pace didn't work for some, But I was locked
in all the way. And you know, here, here's the
thing I'll break. I'm not trying to pick on you, man,

(01:32:48):
I'm not trying to pick on you buster Buster beyond Jake.
I'm not trying to do that at all. But you know,
I've seen a lot of people say, well, it's not perfect.
No movie is perfect. Yeah, technically from a ten perspective,
no movie is perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
And there is something except the two that we always name.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Well, but they're not perfect like those, they're perfect in
their imperfectness. Like I see their little like incongruencies and
I go, no, I love this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yeah, I like too farcically believe that those actually hit
the one hundred percent mark.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Yeah. Here. Here's the thing though, is you know I
somewhat kind of feel like we as a society need
to like move beyond the qualifier portion. You know, you
feel like, yeah, it's not perfect, but yeah that's obvious.
Let yourself enjoy the thing. Yeah, But I mean, like

(01:33:41):
I was saying and I'm not picking on the guy
like because I do that too, Like we all do it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
That's pretty much like what we do. Like that's borderline
what we do with everything we know is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
I hate it how we operate well, we know as
a society, as soon as we say something that we
like something and just don't bring up a bad thing
that like someone's could be like oh yeah right, well
remember thus and you're like the fuck okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Yeah, it like it almost it's such an Internet reflex. Yeah,
it's baked in now that I don't know if it
can be completely undone or to what extent it can. Right,
there's there's there, there's like the earnest Internet side of things,
I guess, But no, I feel like even well maybe

(01:34:26):
especially or definitely especially after everything, but even in the
in the in the way of the wake of everyone
being very positive about this, yeah, I still get just
being like, yeah, I know there's double flaws. But here's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Yeah, I mean it's not like a total Internet thing either.
Is like I went to college with a guy who
would like everything he said was there was like fifteen
qualifiers and yeah, everything was like maybe probably possibly, so
if you ever like said, ah, you were wrong. He's like, nope,
I wasn't wrong. Yeah, yeah, no, I said maybe yeah,
Jesus christ Man.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I think once once you were able to make these
little micro communities that you know, are like any discussion
or chat you have online as a micro community where
a bunch of people come together that would never physically
have otherwise done so. And in all those you end
up just with the basic jack assery and you have
to like lay out these basic disclaimers of how to

(01:35:18):
do things. Now it's like the fucking Ula Agreement of life.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah, yep, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
I wish for it to go away.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Andre Sparks says to us on Facebook, this is a
human movie, a movie about how we as people need
to treat each other on this planet. Again, Superman isn't
Superman because of his powers. He's Superman because of what
he does with his powers, and his actions and choices
make him who he is. It's also a story about
nature versus nurture, blood versus found family. It's really beautiful

(01:35:46):
if you pay attention. I feel like he's attacking us, like, yeah,
we weren't totally on the fence, over the fence, and
then get a direction whatever. This is definitely how Superman
is supposed to be. He inspires hope and to be better.
He inspires the the Justice Gang to be better. Lastly,

(01:36:07):
spoilers here. To make up for Zach killing Jimmy and
his movie, Gun said, I will make Jimmy a chick
magnet and be a part of solving the problem of
the movie. So it's basically part of the team. Yeah,
the actor said he hopes to be more in the
field with the camera in the next movie. Thanks guys
for all your hard work. Thank you Andre for all
of your hard work. Andre Sparks is one of our

(01:36:28):
listeners who been around. Dude like Andre does, like he
picks up slack where we fall off, like Andre is
like post Andre's over here posting news stories and ship
to the DC on screen group.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Oh yeah, thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Like sometimes like I'll like be like, oh what's this justification?
Oh I didn't see that news? Oh thanks Andre, Jesus God,
Like Andre is the shit man. Andre man. We I mean,
we could do the We could do the job without him,
but it wouldn't be nearly as.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Fun, right, that's the whole point too.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
I love it, Boddy, Thank you for for always writing
in and ship.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Yeah, that that's been the vibe of it, though. It
is like that, there's just people have walked away from
this movie wanting to be better people for the most part,
like genuinely have actually wanted to leave being a better
person to people around you, right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
And then just like in church, as soon as you
get on the road, that all goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Yeah, motherfu. It's a limited time off like so many things.
But like it, it's it's been a it's been a
vibe and it one that has lasted pretty long so far.
People were yeah, still very much in the moment. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Yeah, Brooklyn Batman says, I really liked it, but I
wish the Justice Gang was given a bit more, a
bit of a backstory. Oh it's coming, It's coming, brook No,
it's coming. I also feel like it definitely could have
been a bit longer. I say, no, I don't want
any more. Link Brooklyn Batman, you know me and my bladder.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Yeah, there's that. There's that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
I was pinching it now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
I was like, oh, mama, yeah, I feel like I
did a Yeah. That that's I talked about that pretty
thoroughly earlier on about what would have happened if we'd
added that, I don't think I would. Now, No, we've
talked more something I would add it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Yeah, I don't know. Jolting Master sixteen says it's a
valid take on Superman, but the twist that jory L
and Laura were was not actually too ambitious and needs
to be ret conned. I don't think it needs to
be additionally, Additionally somewhere, Yeah, Additionally, a d C else
World's project with Cavil a Superman and is and is

(01:38:34):
a sequel to mos Man of Steel needs to be
green lit. Uh, dude, I want to see that as
an Elseworld's project. But some ways down the way, I
want to see this get steam. I want to see
the DCU take get some steam to it. And yeah, uh,
you know, a few years down the line, maybe we
can get like a something with with with Zach and

(01:38:56):
Cavil and everybody come back for a minute. But uh,
I don't know. Yeah, I don't necessarily think Joriel and
Learra need to be red conned, but as far as
this take is concerned, but I do think it was.
I liked the idea of Zod kind of forcing their
hand on that one. And uh, that's kind of a
cool notion.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Did you also have a moment right right just just
at the at the last second, right before Ultraman takes
his mask off, I thought, well, if they're going to
do it, now's the time with the cavil. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Yeah, we talked about that in the first the first
review we did. But yes, absolutely, there was a there
was a point where I was like, like, honestly, like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
He started to do this drum roll in my head,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
And if there is yeah, I said I think the
last time too. If there is a real disappointment is
that I knew it was gonna be corn sweat. I
didn't want it to be because I wanted to be
something like bigger, you know. I wanted that reveal to
be like, oh shit, Istean Kane. You know, yeah, it's

(01:40:05):
just Dean Kayne. He's like, you immigrant motherfucker. Now, if
you've been paying attention to the news, you know Dean
Kane has been making a stink right because he's that
guy now, has been for many years. Why they killed
him off on Supergirl.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Superman literacy is piss poor these days.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Superman literacy in regards to his own Superman, like the
clip has been circulating about. They tackled the immigration thing
on his show too. He's like, you, you just forgot
all that shit, didn't Yeah, you just forgot that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
It's a rough situation with him. I've enjoyed the memes
that are just a pretty I sent you a couple
of Yeah, you're great, You're great. You're not you, you're great,
You're great.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Love our buddy. Pud three three three over on Blue
Sky says Superman is a very good film. DC finally
has its modern, all ages, family friendly film. It was
hard to say, Pud, Jesus God. There's no edge, no controversy,
just a film about a man trying to be good

(01:41:10):
in the face of repeated failures. Any good faith person
would enjoy significant parts of this film, if not the
entire thing. My family loved it. My wife called it
the most comic book film she's seen. My youngest child
loved Crypto, and my oldest told me she gets inspired
by good movies. I feel like I feel like Pud
was kind of cutting at it a little bit. Though

(01:41:32):
for a second. There's no edge, no controversy. I think
there's some I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Think there's a little No, it's I don't think that's
a cut. I've said a very I've said very close
versions of that to people. Uh huh irl, like I
did that today where I've told people that hate so like,
this is just this. There's no I said, there's no deconstruction,
there's no weirdness, there's no reason for anything, there's no
there's no He's just doing it because it's supposed to

(01:41:57):
be done. That's it. You're not going to see anything weird.
You just it's just it's just a good version. You
just have to go do a thing. You're not going
to be asked to be to do any mental gymnastics
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
M hm. So Bud's got more detailed thoughts, though, He says,
I agree with you, Dave that between set Superman seventy eight,
Man of Steel and Superman twenty twenty five, somewhere in
there is the perfect Superman film. This film does some
aspects of Superman really well, some not so well, but
it doesn't do any one aspect great. I have shifted
away from my initial feelings that seventy eight, Man of

(01:42:28):
Steel and Superman twenty five were. Somewhere in between, there's
a perfect Superman film, like I seeing at this time,
I feel way more that this is pretty damn perfect. Yeah,
Like really at the end of the day, like if if,
maybe maybe if, like Lex could have been a little
more Clancy brownish, But that's just my weird little preference

(01:42:49):
because I love the animated series and I love Clancy
brown Like, maybe maybe it could have, you know, there
could have been a little more majesty, a little more
like you know, but you know, we but then again,
we've ever gotten the relatability, Yeah, quite like we have
in a film.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
On both of those characters too, because there's little moments
that were like they I know this sounds stupid, but
after the first battle, but they go back and they
kind of have like an after party in their little
skybox and it's like Ultraman's just kind of standing around.
They brought Borderline standing around with like water cups and
you know, little SODA's and a slice of pizza or

(01:43:26):
some shit like it. They're chilling on the count on
the controls in a way that was weird and really intrigue.
I don't know what it was about that vibe that
I really liked, but yeah, there are little moments of
relatability like that that I don't know if we can
have them, have them both the same time, but same
time you dig get the match to we're zooming out
on this thing where you see how fucking much money
Lex has and how much control and power he's already

(01:43:48):
got in place while I'm seeing him lean casually against
the counter and talk to his other guys. And by
the way, something in the relatability mustache dude. One of
my favorite parts about that is how much he goes
right the fuck at Lex. I mean, he's not going
No one's cow towing. Yeah, they're coming out, Lex, dude,

(01:44:08):
We fucking are gonna die like some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Yeah. Like, but initially they are very much like yay,
let's clap, and like we really did it this time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Yeah, he's he's very much in charge, but like when
when it comes down to it, there's more teamwork in there.
There's less of Lex just saying shut the fuck up
and do what I said than I thought. And I
really liked that choice too.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
And here's something I love. Both times he knocks the
pencil the glass with the pencils in it, and he say,
picked it up, and everybody's picking it up and the
like as they're getting done with it, like he's like
in the middle of something else and just like looks over.
It's like a cat. Yeah, like a cat just like
looks over and sees another cup, but just like knocks
that one off. There have to pick that one up too,
Like you are a piece of shit, dude. Yeah. And

(01:44:56):
it was a little surprising because because of how much
Gun and Holt have talked about how they love Michael
Rosenbaum's Luthor from Smallville, and I can't see him being
as malicious as this. I really can't see him being
this character. Same time. This is this, This Lex is
a lot of fun, you know. Someone pointed out too

(01:45:19):
that like once again this is about Land.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Was that you or somebody I think I might have
that I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
He never goes like Land.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yeah, yeah, at least this time. Yeah, the trick was
that the Land was the side guy side bag.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Oh my god. Someone pointed out. Someone pointed out that
they made Otis's last name berg.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
I don't know what does that mean.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
When lex was showing the map in Superman seventy eight,
he was like, you know, Lexington Lexon, He's like going
on and then he like goes Odisburg. Wait, yeah, Odisburg.
It's just a little teddy place, mister Louva Odisburg. Yeah,
they actually just made Otis's last name Berg.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
That's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
I think I remember mentioned this one in in our
seventy year review that like, there's something about that scene
that I think is funny that we're like, he gives
them shit about Odisburg otis Burg, Like he get yeah,
they do like a pretty classic comedy beat there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
And like, yeah, it's like test Mocker peaks or some ship,
some titty there is some titty Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Some tip reference over there, some seventy tip reference, seventy
tips reference. Yes, and he doesn't tell him no, Right.
I fully believed after that guy, I remember, I don't
remember if I mentioned this year. I fully believed after
that conversation that begrudgingly he's he drew a little circle

(01:46:42):
and went fucking Odisburg. I can't believe he named it
that and gave him a little tiny little thing feed him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Yeah. Anyway, Pud says the good Love the Fortress of
Solitude in the Robots w B is gonna make a
ton of money off Crypto.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
By the way that Alentutic gets to say Superman first, yeah, yea.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
And by the way, if you're not watching Resident Alien
with Alan Tutik.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
You should absolutely watch off Everything and do that now.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
Yeah, like the first three seasons, two or three seasons
I don't remember what it is, are on Netflix, and
like the current season is airing on Peacock. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
Yeah, and something I rarely see something in season five
that like, oh my god, I think y'all really, I
think there's season Downd yourself they're in like the season
they're in now though, like season four or five, and
now I'm like, I've never seen someone peak so many
seasons in y'all. Y'all, y'all got a better handle on
the show than you did the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Yeah, they're doing well. This is a good show all
across the board anyway, Bud says, uh, the entire cast
is great, even the smaller roles that went nowhere. Corn
Sweat is Superman and Brosenhan is the lowest lane. God,
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
It's over for anybody else that's going to do that now.
I am so sorry. I am so sorry for the
next one hundred years of Lois's.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Yeah, Nathan fill In has the ultimate face you want.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
To punch absolutely again the casting.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
Oh did you notice this time that when she says
that the haircut should be against his vows, he says,
there are three hundred and forty seven chicks who disagree.
Like that. He knows his body count, man.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
He does. I think it was three forty eight. I
want to say even something like that, But he knows
his body count first of all. So I caught the
body count on the first one. What I noticed the
second time, though, that's even better is that as he
says the body count, you look over at mister terrific
and he does this thing with his hands where he
throws his arms up. Uh huh, like he does the

(01:48:38):
jet like. The gesture says one like the gesture says one,
you know the body count, and two you're shouting at
at people like it. There's so much. He is so
fucking mad at that crew. Yeah, they're so fucking incompetent
all of the time with him. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Yep yep. Oh. Pud says action was much better than
I expect. The film draws from all aspects of Superman.
Loved how sci Fia was leaning more on fantasy than science. Yeah, okay,
oh get I can get behind a lot of that.
I really enjoyed seeing his powers in full bloom. Absolutely
they're not so good because this film is a universe

(01:49:16):
terraforming bomb in one film where it just where, it
just drops you into it. Any of Superman's Daily Planet
cast gets sidetracked. I did feel like that on the
first viewing Pud Yeah, as you well know you are
a listener, and I felt like that way less this time,
even disagreeing with Pudd here the way he says this.

(01:49:39):
The film is a universe terraforming bomb in one film. God,
I gotta give it to you. That's good, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
I don't I still, I mean it's it's I still
don't even know. I don't know anything about those people.
Still like why they're there. It's a crew, And I
think the existence of the crew for the movie is
absolutely integral. So the fact that the crew is there
required and the fact that that crew feels like a
nice crew, did did everything you could have. But I

(01:50:08):
don't even know who some of them are other than
I've heard the names before, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
Yeah, Ron Troop. Okay, yeah, which I mean, to be fair,
he you know, pretty pretty much like had the same
role he usually has in the in the comics. He's
like the black reporter just there who's in the background,
Like that's his role. Like there aren't many stories about
Ron Troop.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
No, well even Cat Grant here. What I mean by that,
it's like, yeah, I don't know who she is, but
like you didn't tell me anything about her.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
I don't know who she is here right right. There
are some shots where like there are some scenes where
she's talking and Lois is not listening and they're fading
out of her audio, her audio. But yeah, I once
this thing goes to streaming, I will be like trying
to hear what Kat is saying, really like just zoning
in on it. Yeah. Uh, Pud says I did not

(01:51:00):
like this version of The Kents. I appreciate that these
are parents people actually know, but it was too generic
and broadly sketched for me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
I mean, I can also still appreciate that. I think
it's just gonna be a dividing line on The Kents.
It looks like on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Yeah, it's gonna be you know, to me, it's nice
like for there to actually be like Kansas Farmers who
aren't perfect looking and who don't have and who have
a Southern accent accent for Christ's sake, for once, you know,
like all these other versions of Superman's just saw a
bunch of people. It sounds like they're from Hollywood. Yeah,
just saying, I don't know, Clerk, maybe you should have

(01:51:33):
let them die.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Yeah, Daryl Jamon really like John Wayne impressions.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Damn it, Clerk, you can't go up to the football team.
Right back when I was on the Dukes of Hazard,
we didn't do that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
You know, everyone's been doing the same fifties Farmers movies,
you know, for yeah, sixty years now.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Yeah, Pudd says way too much exposition. I felt like
I was reading a Scott Snyder comic book. Oh you're
talking to the wrong guys. Uh, just blocks and blocks
of text.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
There's a lot of it takes a while to read
those compared to some other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
Dude. Yeah, but when I'm reading a Scott Snyder's comic book,
I'm like, yeas parting to me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
I know, I know, it's all it's all very good
and should be there. But he's not wrong about the volume.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Yeah, now you know by uh, there's there's a version
of this where he would have said and Alan Moore book,
and I would have been like, oh my god, cause
it's like reading sometimes reading not every time, but sometimes
Alan mor gets on these kicks where like you'll pick
up an Alan Moore book and it's just like all
the word boxes are like he's, my god, it's like

(01:52:42):
fucking Victorian era or something where like everything is perfectly
crafted and I'm like, I don't even know what's half
of this is saying yeah, because not only is it
doing that, it's talking about fucking magic and like quantum
mechanics and ship and it's like, oh my god, like.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
And weird metaphysical ship Prince Valiant or some ship on
top of that, just to make it extra weirder. Yeah, digest.

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
And then you're like sitting there going like I don't
understand why he and Grant Morrison don't get along.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Really more uncommon than you'd think.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
This. At the end of the day, I'm still sitting here.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Going what is this just water in another kind of water?

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Like what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
Either way, Uh, here's Abby Arcade eating eating a potato
off of swamp things crotch and right, okay, saga swamp thing, y'all,
saga swamp thing. Ah, psychedelic sex potatoes.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
It's a thing or just animal man just just yeah,
there's that too, just so much there, so much there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Uh so. Yeah, he says, I felt like I was
reading a Scott Snyder comic book, just blocks and blocks
of texts, which meant the film never breathes and it
short shifts the emotion. That was the weird thing though,
is like I felt way more emotion this time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
That was that I'm wondering. I feel like I'm blaming
I'm blaming me mostly right now, for my viewing experiences
for that, because I really very much felt that way
after the first viewing, and then on the second one
I just got was I was able to get more
into it and some of that went away.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Yeah. He says the emotional moments would have been better
if the film had an extra ten minutes. Maybe that's true,
but also like it does really benefit from a second viewing, pud.
I don't know it does. I don't know why it does,
but it does well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
In the second one, all those little moments of exposition
where I wasn't. My problem is that while I'm hearing exposition,
but I'm also I'm I couldn't pause the comic book
page to read all the Scott Snyder this time, you know.
So it messed with my sense of the timing heavily.
I don't know if it does anybody else's, but it
does onmine. I think so Like when I'm hearing that,

(01:54:55):
I would like go into time dilation, almost trying to
just quickly go to like, all right, what does that
mean for this whole universe? Like I'm just trying to
read the whole map at once. Yeah, I couldn't always
bounce in ornet, I don't think. But second viewing, when
I'm looking at that, I'm like, oh, just that does
kind of come and go more quickly than I thought
it did.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Mm hmm. Bud says the emotional moments would have been
better if the film and had an extra ten minutes.
I think ten minutes is overkill. I think maybe three
to five minutes. And I say that because you know
I've done editing man. Ten minutes is a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
It is aig chunk. I could definitely see it between
five and ten, though.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
Like, just I need a couple more. If anything, I
need a couple more moments, because he says. The next
thing he says is no grandeur. They attempted at the
beginning with the fortress, but after that it is literally
missing from the film. I think it's there in little moments.
I think it's there, the bridge, the bridge, the Yeah,
there are little moments here and there where they hit it,
and I could have used more, but not ten minutes,

(01:55:53):
like I'm saying, like.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Well, I wouldn't want to stop and make it an
Olan film for a second. Yeah, smid movie by any stretch. Yeah, yeah,
this is which I know is not the request there.
But still I think somewhere between zero in ten minutes
that I'd be fine with, you know, ten being the
absolute max and zero being perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
You know, I followed Pudd for a long time. I
think I think he does want the dull one. Yeah. Now,
he says, ultimately, a Superman film isn't necessarily about the
technical filmmaking. It's about how it makes you feel, and
for me, it made me feel good as a film.
I like Man of Steel better because it has everything
I generally enjoy in movies, including no win situations. The drama,

(01:56:34):
the stakes, the reality as a pure comic book movie,
Superman is better. Uh so, yeah, thank you Pud for
writing that. And I did ask, and I went out
of my way because I don't post really much on
Blue Sky and that's where he is, so I did
go out of the way and be like, hey man.
But here's the thing, though, is you know I don't.
I maybe I'm weird, but I know shits know that

(01:56:56):
I know they're movies. So like when I watch Man
of Steel, I never felt any stakes or no win
situations or drama. Like I'm just like it's like I'm
analyzing it like I'm you know, like I'm a robot,
just like yes, yes, no, that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Yeah, but I think that messes with the the definitely
messes experientially with it, like when you're.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Yeah, I don't mean to be that way, I just do.
That's who I am.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
But you can have two different interpretations. Like you can
watch a moment like in Manistill where he's sitting there
when he's gripping the head. You can you know he's
got the head. The family's on the wall. You can
focused on how much the family has. You can spend
time in that moment worrying about the family and how
they're innocent here and just you know, doing the math
of whether they're gonna make it and doing the math
with Superman in that moment. You can focus entirely on

(01:57:42):
that in that second, or you can focus on whether
making Superman make that choice in that moment was good
for the film. While watching the film, mm hmm, and like,
I don't know I have. I bounced a lot in
between those two modes watching this one.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
Yeah, like I generally the first time, second time with
other Yeah, I usually clear in my head though a
couple of times, two or three times of really watching
a movie and getting into it to be like, am
I feeling Can I allow myself to feel the emotional
beats because I'm in some kind of weird analysis mode
trying to like, you know, catalog everything that I can.

(01:58:19):
And yeah, it's not it's not a purpose, it's just
a weird thing I do. But yeah, I don't. I
don't feel like I think, you know, there were there
are things that I like a Man of Steel more,
I think, But at the same time, like I was
mostly like, especially during that last see I'm weird that
way with the big fight at the end with Zod,
I was so bored in a Man of Steel.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Yeah, as far as a climax fight, this one's way
more straight up entertaining, Like, yeah, the the odd one is,
it's fun, it's big. It was. It was genuinely entertaining
to watch the special effects he pulled off, right, there
were short of nothing I'd see at the time. It
was incredible to watch, but you pointed out a few

(01:59:03):
like I was enjoying that part of it and watching
the spectacle of it. But like you pointed out a
few times, it was also at times two tiny little
dots flying around a broken screen. Yeah, and that you know,
visually really isn't much. But again I was getting focused
on one second or one spot where my head was
in one spot and that was plenty where.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Yeah, and you know it was also it kills me
like people who are like super against Men of Steel
and Snider stuff will post these like videos of the fights,
and they like go out of their way to like
they will take it and put it into an editing
software and lower the lighting to make their point. And

(01:59:46):
I'm like, you don't have to do that. The movie
is dark enough it was.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Already twenty percent down from any other shading man.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
You did not have to add you can even see
what's going on here. I'm like yeah, and I couldn't
when it was the real life level, especially since like
Zod and I mean, you got two white guys with
dark hair who were wearing the same suit. No, I
had a hard time. Like one of them had a goatee.
That was it. Yeah, yeah, Like so like that's kind

(02:00:15):
of got like the same effect that I used to
have with like Transformers films, where I was just like,
these are just like pixels, like transforming pixels fighting each other,
and I don't know what I'm looking at. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
That was a different kind of problem, Like would they
like early Transformer kind of fight, Like I'm the one
I'm thinking I was like the one in the forest
with and I just there was so much going on.
I could barely is any of them Like he'll reach
over and grab something and hit something else with it,
and You're like, was was that seven trees or another
whole ass Transformer that was in the scene that I
didn't know about? Who just hit?

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Who do you hit with? Who? You know? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
So I got a small shout out to the moment
that he grabs. Uh, you can't get the engineer off
your hand, I'll hit somebody with it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Yeah, dude, I noticed that this time.

Speaker 2 (02:00:57):
But he's just like he's twirls in the air, lambs
rats doing the full like that must have hurt man.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
Doing the full like Hulk puny God Loki thing, but
also just like doing it while fighting ultraman.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Just like hitting an ultra man with it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Oh, it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Imagine being slung that hard into another person that feels
like that. Mm hm oh oh. Man, Like there's a
moment in the movie where they're basically like, oh, and
by the way, really fun to watch Luther for a
second when you watch I watched for it the second viewing.
And yeah, he tears up when angel is in trouble.
He has a real human moment. When Angela is in trouble,
he calls her that he's worried about her for a

(02:01:40):
second there, which is ya. It was just nice to
know that that's in there somewhere, that it's it's not
complete calculus with him.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
There's even a nice little pullback when he's given his
little monologue in the Fortress about how he's like, I
don't like meta humans, but it's fucking alien, you know,
and she like she gives a clunky line where she's like, yeah,
it's very expository, where she says something like, yes, I know,
I sacrificed my humanity. You rid the earth of it?

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
Yeah, yeah, but I've got there's about three clunky lines
in the movie. In my opinion, that's one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
Yeah, but it's a little clunky, but also like it
wins me over again because of the way he reacts,
like it's very subtle, but it's just sort of like hmmm,
like oh yeah, So not only am I sitting here
talking about how I hate meta humans, of which she
is now one, but she sacrificed her humanity so that
we can get rid of this alien. For me, I

(02:02:36):
probably shouldn't have said that. Okay, I'm not gonna say
that because I'm lex and I'm gonna be like, okay,
well can you do the thing? But yeah, nice little
reminder to him, but also felt a little clunky. I
don't know what was your what were your other clunky lines?
You know what.

Speaker 2 (02:02:55):
There's like one moment with Lois where she just add
I'm forgetting what God, there's some It's not even a
clunky line. There's just something in the middle of it
where she like throws a couple of words in that
make it sound it's something about the way she's saying
that the guy from Brovia came by to just ask
about demanded Superman's presidence. I don't forget. It was something
about that line that was just it had a couple
extra words in it that felt weird coming out of

(02:03:16):
her hmm. And then I And that's why I was
just thinking it might only be too it might just
be like that one that I was like, I would
reworded that a little bit and hers fee a little bit. Oh.
The other one that was the other clunky one was
the Mush one that we talked about before, right, I
would have probably redone Mush a little bit, but like, yeah,
I'll stand by Mush.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
Yeah, I like Mush.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
I think that's probably it. As far as clunky lines went, though,
there wasn't really much here that I like. None of
the script feels like it was not a natural or
organic thing. That, on top of that, feels like it
got worked done while they were on SID A good
bit mm. Hmmm, he does direct that way, he just
he does yes, very much, seems too he's uh, people

(02:03:54):
really have seemed to work with him. And by the way,
just to just to cap off corn Sweat a little
bit I'd mentioned yesterday because I had gotten into this,
I almost think that had gone like Corn Sweat when
I'm watching it, like after a couple times, I got
to think about it. It was something about, like you
sent me this video of just him hanging out with
It's like him and Lois on Sesame Street. They're doing

(02:04:14):
a couple of bits with Elmo. Yes, yes, it's stupid,
but it made me laugh, like it like she flies away, Okay, great.
I watched it like two or three times because the
look on corn Sweat's face is so fucking good comedically,
like he like, really go back and watch that if
you have it. It is genuinely great comedy. Timing in

(02:04:36):
his face right there.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
I was like, okay, so like I am a fucking stone.
At the end of Birdman, yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (02:04:43):
Does like he does a full surprise reaction, but it's
just it's just genuinely good. He's acting with the fucking Elmo.
I was taken by how much that like he how
hard he leaned into that joke, and I thought, you
know what, that's actually kind of special. Dude, dude six',
four he's very, handsome wonders in he looks Like, superman
and then to find out that he actually has this

(02:05:04):
much heart and like he shows that way on screen
that he could apparently pull a movie from, nothing having
no name that any of us really knew. ABOUT i
if you're A James, gunn at some point you must
have thanked your fucking lucky. Stars this dude showed. Up mm,
Hmm LIKE i don't actually. Know we were all, confused
we didn't know who he, Was but NOW i can't
imagine it doing it any other.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Way. Yeah by the, WAY i would love love to
see an independent film Where Henry Cavill david Korn sweat play.
Brothers m, hm and they can even have, like you,
know they can have a conversation about you, know their
their deceased father and have Like Christopher reeve on the
in the. Picture like that would be so such a
fantastic little. Thing mm. Hmm LIKE i don't, KNOW i

(02:05:47):
need to, see, like, yes we've gotten confirmation that everybody's
like on board with with Corn sweat and that there
there's no bad blood Between cavill and Corn, sweat and.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
Even though, family it was deeply on. Board but they
look so so.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Similar, YEAH i MEAN i kind of want to SEE
i want to see some role where they're not Playing
superman either one of. Them they're just you, know some
little independent thing the big.

Speaker 2 (02:06:11):
Movies, well let him have an any film where it's
an older older younger brother and they literally just one
can't play the role, anymore and the other one's getting
to play the role now and then then just for,
fun make it a jealousy thing because just because of
the length of the show and HOW i, hit the
younger one got it and it's all popular now m,
m and the older one just sort of has to be,
LIKE i, Mean i'm happy for, you but, goddamn.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
YEAH i don't even know IF i wanted that that
close to, it you, know Bring tyler into.

Speaker 2 (02:06:36):
Its want to see that BECAUSE i want to see
How cavil, feels BECAUSE i no shade. WHATSOEVER i just, genuinely,
EVER i think about this a lot When i've watched
all the behind the scenes and. Stuff cavil himself seems
like such a joyous person that like. It it hurts
my heart a little how much he would have enjoyed
this kind of press, tour you, know m, h he would.

(02:06:57):
Have he would have soaked up all this. POSITIVITY i
feel LIKE i.

Speaker 1 (02:07:01):
Feel so bad for him Because i'm, like, what, what,
like which did your great grandfather piss? Off like every
fucking franchise except For Mission, Impossible, yeah has fucked him.
Thoroughly he's not done well at the box, office or
he's done well in the box, office but the the

(02:07:22):
critics and ship on, him, uh you, know and even
like the but you know, what like The Mission, Impossible i'm, like,
yeah that one did, well but you know, what they
made it where you had to keep that mustache for the.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
Reshoots So Justice, LEAGUEYAH i still like kind Of orderline
refused to watch it because.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
He Left The witcher because he didn't like where it was.
Going you. Know there's like all these things for just
LIKE i, mean you, know man From uncle didn't do,
well like they're all these they're ONLY i don't, KNOW
i just feel. BAD i just feel bad for.

Speaker 2 (02:07:52):
Him he Missed bond by just a, hair AND i
think in a couple of casting, RUNS i want to,
say oh, yeah, yeah, yeah he has for his talent
and HOW i seem To i'm under the impression that
he seems to be a decent. Person it's like every
time you say that about something that any, celebrity you

(02:08:12):
should basically disclaim it with a time stamp and. Date but,
like seems to be an okay, bloke And i've liked his,
work so when you know he had that leftovers, also,
anyway he's had a lot of products that have gone
for a long. Time but, yeah something that just it's
like a out of the. Park nothing's going to go.
Wrong let's stay in this pocket until it's. OVER i

(02:08:33):
don't know if he's had. That, yeah maybe The warhammer
thing will work out for. Him he's, yeah maybe that's
the one he's most passionate about.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
It.

Speaker 2 (02:08:40):
Anyway, yeah maybe hopefully it's good enough THAT i finally
go back and play those games because they look. Fun
But i've never been interested.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
ENOUGH i think he's trying to save face a lot of.
Times but as far as like his his level of, interest,
passion his level of, passion and his level of disappointment
with what happened With, SUPERMAN i think sure disappointed LIKE
i think. IT i think it probably still hurts his, heart,
Man BUT i feel bad for, that not.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Very much Do and and he he got used in
ways that are and. UNINTENTIONALLY i think the. Studio no
one realized what they're doing at the, time but when
we look back on, it they. Were they benched him
as a bargaining chip that never got to be used.
Correctly mm.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
Hmm like it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Was he did so well that they wanted to use it,
properly and instead they squandered. It no one realized exactly
what was happening at the. Time we covered it thoroughly
as it was going, down we, did but in, retrospect
he just it was so precious that everyone ruined.

Speaker 1 (02:09:37):
IT i still want to take a bat After Walter, Harmada.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
Dona what did you? Do?

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
Why why were you doing this to? Him? Yeah has
that dude just had something out For Henry, Man you
just had it out For. HENRY i DON'T i don't
get it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Either henry didn't open the revolving fucking door for.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
HIM i.

Speaker 2 (02:09:54):
GUESS i don't fucking. Know first time they, Met, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
Maybe he had like a cut or something on his
arm and he was, like, MAN i hate, abrasions and
Then Walter ramada heard him SAY i Hate, asians, right,
yeah and maybe it was something like, that like you
just like heard a thing in the. BACKGROUND i was, like,
oh son of a, bitch we're not Doing superman ever.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
Again, yeah and he. Has He the first time he
ever brought it up to anyone was last. Week so
he learned in private years after it was too late
that that was a. Miss that was a MISTAKE i
miss here on his, side he just for some reason
never said a word to, anyone assumed everyone else in
the room heard it the same and never thought to
bring it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Up wondered why they weren't more. Mad, yeah or it
was some kind of you, know luncheon or. Something and
he was, like, yeah, yeah you, Remember i'm just Imagining
Walter ramada As Larry david, now, YEAH i. KNOW i. Remember,
uh you picked up the last roll and you kind
of chuckled and you're, like, Oh i'm. Carbloating, yeah that

(02:11:00):
was the. MOMENT i was, like carb blooding for what
you fuck? Her you're. Fired i'm not doing this. Anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:11:04):
YEAH i didn't even get a.

Speaker 1 (02:11:06):
Roll that's WHAT i was upset. About, yeah Your superman
you can't even tell that the head of the studio
didn't Get.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Okay it's gonna be it's gonna be something done like.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
That, yeah or you, know it might have just been
fear like just like we're not gonna there's no way
to win With. Superman too many people have too many,
opinions and we just were Just i'm just not gonna
do with.

Speaker 2 (02:11:26):
That, WELL i think there was to some extent to
give him out of even the slightest glancing possibility of
credit it after after it was, ruined which did happen
about the time that he hum out of ursed everything
like it was spoiled on the on the vine. Already,
yeah so you had to divest and like that was

(02:11:46):
a better plan in some. Way he had two, options
pay that man and and. Reboot but at this point
you're overpaying because we all know what you. Did we
watched it in real time and we, know and he,
knows and you're gonna have to pay the shot out
of him now or go around. Him and he tried
to do the second. One mm, hmmm not like so
many other, things was a.

Speaker 1 (02:12:06):
Mistake oh, look you Know aquaman made a, billion we
can get away with.

Speaker 2 (02:12:10):
That, yeah we'll do it with the side. Character it's. Fine,
Man Wonder.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
Woman got real. Close we'll Hit Wonder. Woman we'll Do.

Speaker 2 (02:12:17):
Aquaman, yeah but when you really track the, trajectory AND
i think it would be fun to do sometime when
you really tracked the, JECTORY i think the interest that
the box office on those films is directly gonna Be
it's gonna correlate directly to how far or how central
that movie is from the continuing. Story it's just gonna
be that. Simple when we, stopped like when the movies

(02:12:40):
got too far away and it was no longer like
what what the fuck is The Justice league? Doing interest,
Waned and then when the whole thing, collapsed interest waned
and everything all.

Speaker 1 (02:12:49):
Together yeah it. Did but you know then, again Remember
aquaman came out After Justice.

Speaker 2 (02:12:56):
League yeah, yeah but it was still gonna be like
part of the. Universe and then you could just see
it in the.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Momentum so Like Justice league damn near, flopped it didn't do,
well and then aquamanded way. Better, yeah like it's been
like it was didn't really like.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
People forgot how Much Justice league didn't do.

Speaker 1 (02:13:16):
Well, yeah like it felt like it didn't make. Sense
like the way people reacted to. It, yeah it was
almost Like Justice league was just it just came, well
it came out in a weird time, too because it
came out In, November november. Seventeenth, LIKE i don't Think
Zack snyder and his issues and and everything surrounding, that
And Joss whedon and all, THAT i don't think that

(02:13:38):
like that doesn't affect THE. Ga THE ga doesn't give a.

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
Shit, no not THAT i mean THE ga, REALLY i
hate to admit.

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
It Rotten tomatoes has way more effect on it than
THE g than than who was the director and whatever
all that, happened.

Speaker 2 (02:13:52):
You, know kind of they're both, niche like you both
have to have you have to have some interest in
either for it to, matter and did it just kind
of doesn't when we're talking about TRUE ga, here it's
just passing. INTEREST i know vaguely of these. Things and
you've never heard you don't even who owns the fucking?
Characters like there's no interest whatsoever for you in.

Speaker 1 (02:14:10):
This oh, no it's not a who owns the characters.
Thing i'm just, saying like people will just look up
like and if you right, now LIKE i typed Is
superman Is superman. Good rotten tomatoes Is superman, Good superman.
Good that's what people. Do and like when you whether
you select that or it's rotten tomatoes is like on the, top.

Speaker 2 (02:14:28):
Like it comes, up, yeah it suits.

Speaker 1 (02:14:30):
Me like so they're, like, oh it's got a such
and such. Rating they don't, care they don't, Know like
they don't even read all the damn reviews because now
they have the LITTLE ai fucking like thing at the
top that just, like, uh summarizes all of the reviews right.

Speaker 2 (02:14:46):
That by the, way has already taken over the review,
part like the that to some, extent like reviews on
stuff like this are just getting like the moment you googled,
something you've aied it really at this point and it's
just getting meshed into it are all pulled into a
central figure as it, stands like unless you've actually got

(02:15:08):
the app or, something or you're looking centrally for, that
or you're actually typing rotten Tomatoes. SUPERMAN i think it's
gonna get even harder than it already is to get
passing information that isn't already kind of packaged for, you.

Speaker 1 (02:15:21):
By the, way you know it is. Not it shouldn't
be indicative of. Anything it's a binary. System but it's
doing really well On Rotten. Tomatoes it's like eighty two
percent with the critics and like ninety four percent on
the audience. Reviews Cinema score has got it at AN a.
Minus IMDb's got it at like a seven point seven
out of. Ten it is well, reviewed and it looks

(02:15:44):
like it's tracking very. Well like word of mouth is
really good on this. Thing yeah On. Superman, YEAH i
Think i'm gonna go see it again third.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
Time that's kind of, Yeah that's that's What i'm. Saying,
like that's where we are with the with the hype,
though is it's been a weird, weekend like it well
a week for us because we saw it on Like
tuesday and some of the embargo was breaking By, tuesday
and like, you there wasn't good or bad even it
was just trickling out that it was roughly like there

(02:16:17):
was a sense of, LIKE i think y'all are gonna like,
this and then, yeah but we'd seen it, anyway it's
only been forty eight hours ish now since we're recording.
That really like the movies really hit and already. Online
i've just Seen, yeah it's just a flood of. Positivity it's, incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:16:34):
It's wonderful compared and this is not stating anything about
the actual quality of. Anything but WHEN bvs came, out
we went to the theater knowing that it was at
twenty seven percent on rotten tomatoes or. Whatever it, was,
like we, knew or maybe you didn't. KNOW i.

Speaker 2 (02:16:52):
KNEW i don't THINK i.

Speaker 1 (02:16:54):
DID i knew going.

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
In i'll remember it at this.

Speaker 1 (02:16:56):
POINT i knew going in that it was a critical. Pan,
yeah like across the, board uh and going Into Suicide.
SQUAD i knew it was a critical pan across the.
Board now that didn't affect my enjoyment BECAUSE i like
both of those.

Speaker 2 (02:17:11):
Movies, Yeah and it turns out the critical pan for
many of those reviews it was literally based on not
getting enough swag at many of the press trackets.

Speaker 1 (02:17:21):
Like that is a thing that's been said many. TIMES
i believe it's. TRUE i. Don't i've never seen absolute,
proof BUT i know that's a. Thing it That Warner
brothers did not give swag And marvel does very.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
Much so it is in the realm of. Time it's
it's No i've never talked to a. Guy but it's
in it's it's kind of in that realm of LIKE i,
DON'T i, haven't BUT i haven't stopped too because everything
around it sounds so believable THAT i assume that guy's.

Speaker 1 (02:17:45):
There, YEAH i, mean, well you know that that was
a thing that certain critics, Said oh, yeah, no Like
Warner Warner brothers does not ply us with. Liquor They
Warner brothers does. Not in many, Cases Warner brothers was
so scared of critics they wouldn't even they allows certain
press members to come see.

Speaker 2 (02:18:02):
It, yeah and then you embargoed whatever you got once
you did see. It, yeah then you embargo and you're
apparently watching it sober with no gifts in your. Back.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
Right, so and, importantly it's not about like swags so
much as it's important about like amping up the, hype
like getting people excited for a. Thing and you, know
either you, Know Warner brothers should do that or Which
i'm Probably i'm feeling like they did this.

Speaker 2 (02:18:31):
Time sounds like that one a lot. Better BUT i
mean to take the transactional part out of, It, yeah
it's not like it's not unlike a studio audience where
you have to keep them refreshed and get them out
of the heat and there when you can make sure
they're good for the show.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
Too nobody wants to like go see a movie when
they're you, know sober and without. Toys it's. Rough, no
but like but you, know even even th its, like you,
KNOW i looked around at this, theater like do they

(02:19:05):
have any? Posters do they have? Anything like get me amped?
Up like either they should be doing that Or marvel
should not be allowed To that's All i'm, Saying marvel
and whoever. Else, yeah uh but, yeah it's it's my.
All that was to my point was it's really nice to,

(02:19:30):
uh you, know go to a theater knowing that it's
getting good reviews and to feel like there's a thing
THAT i can enjoy without having to defend it for
fucking ten. Years, yeah BECAUSE i Enjoyed man Of steel
AND bvs And Suicide squad And i'm sick of defending. It.

Speaker 2 (02:19:52):
YEAH i braced myself over like those forty eight hours
THAT i was, mentioned like IT i have a sense
of peace now and have forty eight hours ago is
What i'm trying to get.

Speaker 1 (02:20:01):
HER i.

Speaker 2 (02:20:01):
Think, yeah that was, like, okay let me just see
how let's just see how this goes, though and it's gone. Fine,
yeah in the past, tense it's gone.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
Fine. Yeah AND i was, like after watching it the
first time and we did our, REVIEW i still needed
time to. Decompress and and you, know my my co
hosts At Star Trek, Universe Matt, carroll host OF mcu.
Cast you, know he he had been on our show
several times in the early days and was, very very
not into What snyder was. Doing AND i DEFENDED i

(02:20:35):
defended against, him and so much so that like he
messaged me and he was, like, hey how'd you like Soups?
Superman AND i SAID i liked it and he said me,
too AND i just said. GOOD i was, LIKE i
can't talk anymore with you about.

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
This let's call it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:52):
Here i'm in my processing. Phase AND i know that even,
like even When matt AND i talk about stuff that
we both, liked often he will COME i will find
a way to make me dislike a thing mm, hm
to be LIKE i didn't like this, part And i'm,
like you're, right that's, bad or, no that was, good you. Know.

Speaker 2 (02:21:11):
YEAH i just didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (02:21:12):
Have any of that conversation YET i was just, like, mmmm,
NO i have built my house upon the. Sand, yeah
and my foundation needs to be a little more. Stable,
yeah BEFORE i have this, conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
Dude just let the fucking cement. Set i'll see You.

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
Monday i'm gonna take a long weekend on this.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
One, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah a good. Point i'll see A. Wednesday,
okay all. Right i'm, like you don't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:41):
Understand i've been doing the show for so many. YEARS
i need this. WIN i neither. To it's not enough
anymore THAT i enjoy the, movie cause FUCKING i Love
birds Of, PREY i love The Suicide. SQUAD i loved you,
know you, know two thirds Of Wonder. Woman fuck that.

Speaker 2 (02:21:57):
Ending, yeah there's there are MOMENTS i genuine LIKE i
thought about how MUCH i Liked Dead shot, Yesterday, like
there's moments on those that are still gonna be with
me for for for fucking ever because they were that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:09):
Good. Yeah, yeah BUT i just want That marvel's The
avengers feeling FOR. Dc this might be the closest we
GET i don't, know But i'm enjoying it so.

Speaker 2 (02:22:20):
Far this is you, KNOW i haven't thought to compare,
them and it is very.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
CLOSE i mean just in terms of like everyone coming
together to, go damn, it what a great thing to.

Speaker 2 (02:22:31):
Go, wow check that thing. Out yeah that was so.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
Good no, arguments no. Fighting, Yes i've blocked like two
people who were, like.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
Oh the shields are out And i'm like fuck, You, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
I'm no. Shill they've given me.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
Nothing fuck the crazies this. Time let's let's have a good.

Speaker 1 (02:22:49):
Time like let me tell you about What Warner brothers
has given, me all, right, yeah jack fucking, Squat like
do you know what they've you, know they they even you,
know there's all this this stuff ABOUT dvd rot going
around about, oh, yeah you bought these DVDs all these years.
Ago here's the master list of the, DVDs and a

(02:23:10):
bunch of these DVDs are rotten and if you try
to play, them they won't they won't play. Them, well
of course they did a bunch of that stuff WITH dc,
stuff and, uh you, KNOW i like three or four weeks,
ago NOW i sent, them you, know pictures of DVDs
THAT i had to prove THAT i had, them and
it was like here they, are like SO i can

(02:23:31):
get replacement. Discs haven't heard a damn word. BACK i
can't even get replacement discs for fucking things that they
messed up back in two thousand and six THAT i.
Purchased so you, Know i'm no, shill that's, right Fucking
Warner brothers. Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:23:48):
Yeah, yeah we've been getting sucked by them as much as,
anybody just as long as they've been fucking. People we
have no, yeah we have no unfucked privilege in that
conversation With Warner. Brothers, LIKE i love.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
IT i love it so much when people were, like,
well listen to something like, this like we have a
positive review and they're, like, oh you're a fucking. Shill i'm, like, oh,
sweetie oh you really did just just now stumble upon
this episode because we've been we've been taking a shit
On Warner brothers for ten, years quite some time, actually you,

(02:24:22):
know and years before that before we even recorded us
taking a shit On Warner.

Speaker 2 (02:24:26):
Brothers, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:24:30):
Like many a, night just going why can't they do anything? Right?

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
Yeah AND i mean like back in our early twenties
even doing that kind of. Stuff so that was like
the early days of us just kind of working out
the nuts and bolts even, off like all, right who
owns what, then like us having to ask ourselves these
questions that we finally had time to sit down and
really ponder now that school was. Done m, hmm all

(02:24:53):
the other things right of the.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
Way FINALLY i can figure out who does own The
BATMAN tv? Series by right, Right.

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
I've always seen that, Name Andrea, romano But i've never
looked Into oh.

Speaker 1 (02:25:05):
Oh, NO i. KNEW i knew that that wasn't SOMETHING
i had to figure out back. THEN i, knew Like
i'm sitting there with like my Little Batman superman magazine
and being Like Madre. Romano huh, okay, Well Shirley, walker
are you saying.

Speaker 2 (02:25:20):
If any of those, WELL i Think schirlely. Died if
if she, did If Andrea romano happened to catch anything
we've ever, SAID i just hope she remembers today that
we all thank her for our.

Speaker 1 (02:25:30):
Childhoods oh, god, yeah, yeah even like even our young.
Adulthoods i'm Like Peter weller and Freaking Michael emerson Is
batman and The joker And Dark knight. Returns hell, yeah
like those are inspired.

Speaker 2 (02:25:45):
Castings yeah, yeah she was talent is thank.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
YOU i think she may have just.

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
Retired thought she was getting around that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
TIME i couldn't. TELL i couldn't remember getting around that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:58):
Time, surely wh who were at this? Point if you
worked ON, bts even, young you've got to be like
looking into the eyes of whether you're going to tap.

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
Out. YEAH i think we talked about it on the.
Show but she retired in twenty. Seventeen, okay so that's
what tomorrow verse. Sucks, no it's not that bad. Anyway
that's all With FEVACK i. GOT i don't, know was

(02:26:28):
there anything else you want to talk? About Sipper, MAN
i don't. Know, No, NO.

Speaker 2 (02:26:34):
I found. Myself i'll give you a wrap up. QUESTION
i guess it's been a long. Time but after having seen,
that how do you feel about doing this all? AGAIN
i guess what do you mean doing this all? Again
start a fucking.

Speaker 1 (02:26:44):
Universe I'm i'm here for, it, Man i'm. EXCITED i
feel like we are.

Speaker 2 (02:26:51):
Because we were pondering our very existence is a week.

Speaker 1 (02:26:53):
Ago we were we Were, look, man it's just been
too long Since. Peacemaker we had creature commandos kind of
give us a little. Booie, yeah but you know what,
now like Corn sweat said something that makes may have
made a bunch of people think that maybe he was on,
land he's on, Lanterns like he made some comment about,
like oh, Yeah i'd love to be in some kind

(02:27:14):
OF r rated thing like lanterns or, something you, know
like something like totally very different where they're dropping f. Bombs,
Yeah And i'm, like why would you bring up? Lanterns but,
then LIKE i know that there's supposed to be like
a big guest star or something popping in On, peacemaker
And i'm, like pretty sure there's probably corn sweat. There
we've Got Justice gang On peacemaker coming, Up Sean, Guns

(02:27:37):
Maxwell lord is gonna be On, peacemaker and That's. August
that comes out In.

Speaker 2 (02:27:42):
August That's i'm talking away from. Now, yeah and there's
A fantastic before to keep you back commend in time
if you.

Speaker 1 (02:27:47):
Just get absolutely there's A fantastic Four AND i won't
get to that but not not not probably in, theaters but, UH.

Speaker 2 (02:27:55):
I won't before then because we're actually we're gonna go
on a trip in a couple. Weeks that's gonna that's
the way that movie comes.

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
Out SO i DON'T i don't expect to see, it but, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28:03):
It'll be like AFTER i mind bad As i'll get
to that After, peacemaker just looking.

Speaker 1 (02:28:08):
At it really, Yeah and it's not it's not out
of any malice that or you, know Anti marvel, anything
BECAUSE i Love marvel AND i WISH i was caught,
up But i'm just.

Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
NOT i feel it's like so many. Things there are
moments Where i'm still caught. Up but there are moments
WHERE i could tell, you like if you could just
get me to thumbs up thumbs down, it you, know
LIKE i wish you were caught up for, This you'll be,
okay don't worry about, it you, know kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
STYLE i, mean the, RULE i break the. RULE i
don't know if it's autism or, what But i've got
something in my head that tells ME i can't watch
this ship out of order AND i can't. Skip BUT
i did break the rule for Dead, poololverine, oh BECAUSE
i JUST i just fucking had, to and it WAS
i just had, to and it was worth, it absolute.
Worth every once in a, WHILE i just like something

(02:28:53):
will come out me like damn, IT i JUST i can't,
devote you, know forty eight hours to just Watching MARVEL
tv shows and movies That i've missed out on. Tempting
i'm sure they're not going to, mention you know That
Dared devil season In fantastic. FOUR i know it's a different.
UNIVERSE i KNOW i keep up with it, enough But

(02:29:18):
i'm still mad at The marvel people for like The
marvel fans for you, Know eternals as. Well So i'm,
like you didn't go out and support this. Movie and
it was, good damn. It It wasnals was.

Speaker 2 (02:29:27):
Good it WAS i, Agree and.

Speaker 1 (02:29:29):
Now we're just going to ignore light and ignore it
like it never even happened in, universe And i'm just
it makes me. Sick it's not like it was In, humans.
Y'all it was a good.

Speaker 2 (02:29:38):
Movie, god, YEAH i got it mixed up.

Speaker 1 (02:29:43):
ANYWAY i think that's. IT i think that's All i've. Got.
Uh can't overstate how MUCH i love this entire, cast
and not in our, podcast but the cast Is superman.

Speaker 2 (02:29:57):
And all of us that have gathered.

Speaker 1 (02:29:58):
Here BUT i. DO i do love our, listeners AND
i love that you guys, responded so many of. You
And i'm sorry you've got, somebody, yeah, Dude And i'm
sorry IF i forgot, somebody and there's been a lot
of feedback across a lot of different platforms over the
last several, days and you, know even thinking about it,

(02:30:18):
Now i'm, like, SHIT i don't THINK i gathered anything
from TikTok so who. Knows but we'll see and we'll
be back soon with. More LIKE i, Said i've got
a whole news episode lined. Up but, uh you, know
as look, man, UH i don't. KNOW i was just,
like why don't We why don't we just do another
episode with our second. Thoughts you, know it's not entirely

(02:30:41):
out of pocket for. Us we've done it. Before, Uh
AND i just thought we'll pretend we're you, know savvy
businessmen and milk this thing a little. More plus, plus you,
know we Gave Black adam two episodes for fox, sake
we should at least give a good movie two.

Speaker 2 (02:30:56):
EPISODES i kind of forgot about. That that just sort of.

Speaker 1 (02:30:59):
Happened, well we did like a first thoughts spoiler free
thing or, SOMETHING i don't, know and then we did another.
ONE i was. SHOCKED i was like putting together like
a playlist of our reviews For, spotify just for people
to find and and for me to post on our
website instead of, me you, know going through and trying
to find THE i don't know whatever, anyway technical, bullshit gruntwork.
Stuff BUT i was shocked and dismayed to find that

(02:31:23):
we had we had Given Black adam two. Reviews that's.

Speaker 2 (02:31:29):
Fantastic it just sort of happened organically that. Way didn't mean.
To but this one was unique for. Us we've WE'VE
i rarely go see something in theater. Twice it's it's
extraordinarily rare for.

Speaker 1 (02:31:41):
Me mm.

Speaker 2 (02:31:42):
Hmm definitely the first time that you AND i have
ever popped out to see it and then popped out
again to see it to review it. Again Right, Worth
this was this.

Speaker 1 (02:31:54):
Was SPECIAL I I i would be lying IF i said.
That with the coming week in my wife going out
of town and hew DOWN i generally get when she leaves.
TOWN i you might think MAYBE i might go out
for another another round of. IT i don't. KNOW i
might just need. TO i don't.

Speaker 2 (02:32:14):
KNOW i, mean, look just if you've got to pass
a couple of, times you, know a couple hours with
something really, nice this is not a bad way to do. It,
yeah go get you a crypto bucket.

Speaker 1 (02:32:21):
Too i'm not doing that unless you pay for.

Speaker 2 (02:32:25):
It, now there was a. Third there's a bucket with
a IT'S i think it's a telephone, booth but he's
he's uh heat visioning it from the. Sky, yeah yeah
on that one. Too i'm not like addicted to popcorn.
BUCKETS i just like occasionally like, swag AND i only
get it from stuff that's like, special like LIKE i
only get stuff that feels special when it's, special like, oh,

(02:32:47):
cool metha theater and this is like a one time
offer and it's also.

Speaker 1 (02:32:50):
COOL i. APOLOGIZE i don't remember who said, it BUT
i saw someone say something to the effect, of, uh
the humanity has breathed just. Last some eons, later the
aliens will arrive and they'll find the planet just littered
with popcorn.

Speaker 2 (02:33:08):
Buckets, yeah and.

Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
They'll, think what was their obsession with popcorn? Buckets?

Speaker 2 (02:33:19):
No, no, no you know what's worse about, that, now
let's say. It what's worse is if you just if
we just snapped, out if we were just if someone's excavating,
us you, know tomorrow out of nowhere and trying to
figure out what it was we were. Into one of
the things you would, find like if you were just
looking at, it you'd be, like, well they had a

(02:33:39):
lot of, these so they must have really liked these,
things not realizing that we sometimes have a lot of
things because there's a surplus of stuff that didn't, sell.

Speaker 1 (02:33:50):
Right, yeah they because they didn't have there they Weren't
they must be, like, oh, well you, know clearly they
were advanced enough to utilize some form of the shlible
slab algorithm and know that, like don't produce more than
what is you, Know.

Speaker 2 (02:34:05):
No you wouldn't think it was it was it was
commercial like. That that wouldn't it wouldn't sound it. Curty
you would just be, like, well they clear they had
millions of things these. Everywhere clearly they all loved the
Fucking cats movie from a couple of.

Speaker 1 (02:34:17):
Years, yeah there was this, demand, yeah and it was
supplied and then everyone died. Off everyone loved, this, uh
instead of people just making tons of shit because of. Projections,
yeah what's that video game they got?

Speaker 2 (02:34:32):
Buried they love this one video game so much they
buried copies of it in the desert like a ritual of.

Speaker 1 (02:34:37):
LOVE E. T E. T, yeah, Extraterrestrial so.

Speaker 2 (02:34:42):
That'd be a funny one for him to find. Too
if it's, aliens there's a time.

Speaker 1 (02:34:46):
Capsule For christ's, sake.

Speaker 2 (02:34:47):
They worshiped our kind so much that they thought this
was special when they made.

Speaker 1 (02:34:51):
It, yeah they're, like they buried a time capsule full
of racist? Rhetoric what the fuck is? This, no that
would be.

Speaker 2 (02:34:58):
Fun, yeah they don't see it as river and at.
All they're, like, oh, Yeah i'll bet you'll didn't want
us to find this.

Speaker 1 (02:35:02):
Shit, yeah they were afraid we'd find it before.

Speaker 2 (02:35:06):
Tried to bury. IT i found that shit found your, Signey.

Speaker 1 (02:35:09):
Well they've Been, meanwhile they've been beaming fucking Star trek
into the space for years and we're, like why do
all these bad guys have these aliens or bad guys
and all of them have fucking human genitalia on their. Foreheads.

Speaker 2 (02:35:22):
Yeah, yeah this is a great time to remind you,
that you know that when we send out these like
golden discs and ship we're into space voyager discs and
ship Golden vinols or. Whatever now we send stuff. Out
some of it is audio that we've sent on into the.
Universe it's god knows how far. Away at this, point
a few of them have gone entered like outside of our.

(02:35:44):
System but some of the farthest subjects in mankind's history
that are the farthest away from mankind at this point
have audio on, them and one of them and some
one of them is a plumb and cling on that
sounds like what you, Think it sounds like mm. Hmm
i'd just like to point out over and over again
how bad we are at managing our own image and

(02:36:05):
how likely we are to be taken over or killed
if ever engaged at.

Speaker 1 (02:36:09):
All. Yeah, Hey one of my favorite memories is, like, wow.

Speaker 2 (02:36:13):
Would they send? That just go kill him ons. BACK
i don't even if they even sent that. Out just
don't even ask, questions just go just go wipe them.

Speaker 1 (02:36:18):
Out one of my favorite, things one of favorite, memories
it's working at pizza place and one of my fellow
delivery DRIVERS i was, asking, WELL i was talking to,
everybody AND i was in the middle of the day
and we were, bored and we're talking, about, like, oh
what happens if the aliens? Invade AND i was, LIKE i,

(02:36:39):
mean it might be, good it might be. Fine you,
know we don't. Know they might be you, know, benevolent
they might you, know be on like fact finding missions
and they're, Like, oh we're gonna finally like save you from,
yourselves you stupid pieces of. Shit like turned to. Him
guy's name Was, matt AND i was, like what do you,
Think matt aliens come. Down he's, like we're. Fucked And

(02:37:00):
matt was a man a few, words you, KNOW i
just like howled and he just like walked. Out, yeah
that was. IT i did see him like a little.
Snicker it was so hard to Make matt. Laugh we
you AND i both uh uh.

Speaker 2 (02:37:13):
Oh we'd tell each other about it.

Speaker 1 (02:37:15):
Later took great pride in Making matt.

Speaker 2 (02:37:17):
Crack if we had actually get something visible out of,
him we'd we'd we'd find each other. Later i'm, like, oh,
MAN i got him with.

Speaker 1 (02:37:23):
This check this. Out, yeah, anyway we'll be. Back. Uh
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(02:37:44):
from time to. Time and if you joined for, free
you're still you, know part of the whole community. There
you can respond to. Stuff i've taken to doing some
more like little videos like asking questions or you, know
answering questions and, uh those are done pretty. Well but

(02:38:05):
it's a cross. Platforms So i've started uploading those To
patreon as, well AND i upload those publicly and they're
free for everybody to uh to check. Out but SINCE
i am posting them for free on social, media but
it is if you don't want, to, like you, know
you follow me On instagram or TikTok and all this,
bullshit you could just go to The, patreon patreon dot

(02:38:27):
com slash dc on screen and you will get my
social media. Goodness so there's. THAT i don't know if
you really want.

Speaker 2 (02:38:34):
THAT i still like the idea, that, like if you
were just annoyed by how many ads over this three,
hours it's not the last three hour episode we're gonna,
do just go ahead and get on. Them no ad, plans,
Man i'm just, telling.

Speaker 1 (02:38:43):
Oh, girl just telling, you ain't, lying you. Ain't it just.

Speaker 2 (02:38:46):
Happens that was an hour, ago AND i said an
hour fifteen WHEN i looked up a minute ago day.

Speaker 1 (02:38:51):
Peace make a come manu pop up, Up, peace make.

Speaker 2 (02:38:55):
A come up up. UP i really have not even
gotten to stop and be excited about the new. Universe
YET i hadn't EVEN i hadn't even made space for.

Speaker 1 (02:39:09):
It i'm excited about. It I'm I'm i'm.

Speaker 2 (02:39:12):
Gonna be WHEN i finally get over the swell of
oh my, GOD i can't believe we got to See
superman on screen do. That but right Now i'm still
sitting on A superman, shirt pretty, happily one of my
favorite uh with blood from a skateboarding, injury just to
prove THAT i, am in fact human wearing a shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:39:27):
One of my favorite pieces of FEEDBACK i saw and
it wasn't for, us it was just for the movie in.
General someone, says in all, caps the gun don't. Jam
that's good anyway we're gonna call it because we've been

(02:39:50):
sitting here for way too. Long we are. Again it
won't look that way to you.

Speaker 2 (02:39:57):
Guys whatever the run time, is we're just likely to.
Double it is the typical.

Speaker 1 (02:40:03):
STANDARD i you know, sometimes BUT i think we've had.
Fun let us know if this was a fun episode
for you, guys if you really liked. IT i, KNOW i.
Know Eli hernandez On patreon loves our really fucking long
episodes because he has a lot of boring as strives and. Shit,
yeah but plenty of.

Speaker 2 (02:40:21):
STUFF i love for that kind of.

Speaker 1 (02:40:22):
THING i get.

Speaker 2 (02:40:22):
It, yeah happy to.

Speaker 1 (02:40:23):
Help, yeah but you know he's not our only. Listener,
like if you, know a whole bunch of y'all just
like come out and like keep that ship under an,
hour we're gonna be, Like i'm really sorry all of you. Guys,
yeah because we can't stop. OURSELVES i THINK i think
if we HAD i don't want to do three hour.
EPISODES i think.

Speaker 2 (02:40:43):
If we were, incentivized we. Could like if if somebody
dropped this actual street cred and gave us a show
or something and said, like, yeah you know you can
do this whatever thing, officially but you got to keep
it under an. HOUR i think we could do.

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
It, oh we can do.

Speaker 2 (02:40:56):
It it's not, dang it's that we just typically have
no interest in doing it on a daily, basis or
forget that that was our plan at the fifty nine
minute mark going into the hour where we plan to
stop at it an, Hour like we just get.

Speaker 1 (02:41:09):
Distracted, well LIKE i even hate, it like When i'm
listening To conan or something Where i'm just like we're,
THERE i, know we're almost out of time And i'm,
like why why are you out of? Time you guys
are having a perfectly wonderful. Conversation, Yeah i'm laughing at
Everything Bill hater is, saying you, know like why do
we have to stop it right? Now AND i know
you're supposed to leave them wanting, more But i'm, like
If i'm having a good time talk talking to.

Speaker 2 (02:41:31):
YOU i, MEAN i figured for the most, podcasts it's, like,
yeah we're almost out of, time meaning they have a dentist,
appointment like LIKE i, like, yeah LIKE i gotta eat
lunch or, whatever like you, know got a, Meeting we've.

Speaker 1 (02:41:42):
Got to record the next guest for like our a
block of shows that were recording.

Speaker 2 (02:41:46):
Today, Yeah LIKE i know what they mean by, that
but it does not come across when like when they're, like,
YEAH i know we're out of time and. Now AND
i hate the conceit that in the in the industry that, like,
YEAH i, know we're at a, time and then the
guests always, like, yeah of course we, are and like
you never see the guests go like what, really so,
seriously but what do you got going? On what do
you Got just fucking tell them, No we're just gonna keep.

Speaker 1 (02:42:03):
Talking, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (02:42:04):
Would like to see a two hour long episode where
the guest is just, says, fuck oh your. Schedule we
were having a good. Time, yeah you asked me.

Speaker 1 (02:42:10):
Here, yeah, YEAH i can get behind. That i'm, like,
NO i need to keep Hearing Billy corgan talk To Mark. Marin,
yeah For god's, SAKE i Guess.

Speaker 2 (02:42:22):
I'll take his cousin And Mark. Maron but, yes there's.

Speaker 1 (02:42:24):
Brother, Yeah i'd rather Hear Bill burr for. Real but,
YEAH i do think it's funny how Much Billy corgan
like takes uh, basically it takes credit for everything in the,
nineties all like all the grunge music. Everything he's just, like, oh,
yeah that's WHAT i. DID i was it just you?
Man fuck, no my, Man, no, Yeah smesh And pumpkins was, great,

(02:42:50):
man you're not Claiming? Nirvana fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:42:52):
You, SORRY i just. Thinking and it was only that
was a very specific sliver of the grunge move and
it wasn't it wasn't even in the main banin for
being real.

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
Anyway, yeah thanks for. Listening we can't even do a
sign off without getting. Distracked UH dc on screen dot
com this is our site And patreon dot com SLASH
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(02:43:24):
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spotify On apple. Podcasts you, know we haven't had a
review On apple podcast in a. While so if you
made it this far in almost a few more, minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:43:40):
A few, seconds really just thanks to pull the app,
up move over on the.

Speaker 1 (02:43:45):
Screen all. Right we'll come back with news in a
few days after we get some of these box office
numbers in for the. Weekend are, good they are good so.
Far there's some there's some assholes out there hollering about
inflation means that man have still made for. More who
gives a, SHIT i don't. Know but they're also saying
like they're also like responding to numbers that we don't

(02:44:07):
actually have. Yet people are, saying, oh it made one
hundred and twenty three million this, weekend, bitch this Is. Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:44:12):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:44:13):
Yeah every time they give us those, numbers it ain't.

Speaker 2 (02:44:16):
Right, YEAH i, mean are you new this weekend so? Far? Sure,
yeah BUT i need the settle the settled down.

Speaker 1 (02:44:23):
Numbers, Yeah AND i know it's not doing well In.
China china doesn't care About. Superman everybody Knows china doesn't
care About. SUPERMAN i just do it really well everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (02:44:32):
THOUGH i didn't know there was a brand preference On
superman or not.

Speaker 1 (02:44:35):
There it's a. Thing it's a it's a thing that
has been said several. TIMES i don't, know like it's
A i haven't actually gone and looked into it, myself
like looking at all, numbers but like it's a thing
that people have been saying for years That china doesn't
care About. Superman china doesn't care About Star trek.

Speaker 2 (02:44:52):
Either that's. Funny just certain.

Speaker 1 (02:44:55):
THINGS i don't.

Speaker 2 (02:44:56):
Know that means PROBABLY i assume to some extent there's
gonna be just, yeah some stuff that don't.

Speaker 1 (02:45:00):
Hit, YEAH i don't, know but you, know we'll. SEE
i don't. Know not terribly worried about. IT i think
it's going to do really. Well, yeah it seems to
be doing really. Well i've got people on the street
pointing at my batmanhatt and, going where are they doing?
That you? Know? Soon, YEAH i GUESS i don't. Know

(02:45:22):
SO i love you, guys and thank you for, listening
and until next, time keep SOME dc on your. Screen.
Bye

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