"Superman" Teaser Trailer Review + News

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I never know how you're gonna come in, man, this
time hot, much like the Superman trailer. Yeah, ah man,

(00:26):
And it was you know, it comes on the heels
of these rumors. You know that the Superman trailer. Oh
no oh, the studio is not happy. The studio is
not happy with the trailer. They sent it back and
they said make it better, and uh yeah that that
was the thing and everything. You know, you had all

(00:47):
the angry Snyder Coultists laughing. Not all of the Snyder fans,
mind you. I'm talking about the mean ones, the Bros,
the Snider Bros. Uh, we knew it. This is a
flop blot of out of all the crap. Someone asked
Gun if that was true. He said, well, sort of.
But when he says studio, that's solely me as the

(01:11):
only studio involved in cutting or anything to do with
the trailers. As DC Studios. This is the exact same
rigorous process I've gone through cutting every Guardians trailer, pushing
the marketing folks as hard as I can, cutting and
recutting until I think we can have, until we have
something worthy of the film itself. He also, you know,
pointed out that he gives way more feedback that's way

(01:33):
more specific than simply saying make it better. Yeah, but yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Make it better is a great way to fire somebody,
just just without having to fire him quite yet. Uh huh,
what do you I mean? Yeah, what do you do
with that?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Notes? And they really like built it up too, Like
they released a like a little teaser clip it said
look up, and it's like the whole It's like Lois
and freaking Jimmy and Cat Grant and Steve Lombard, you know,

(02:09):
they're all like in the Daily Planet walking and looking
up at something, and we have cuts of people looking up. Like.
They released a motion poster which is beautiful. It's gorgeous.
And I have a I have a physical copy of
that ship come into my house soon and five to
ten business days, I believe, as well as a hoodie,

(02:31):
a blue hoodie that says take me home right, my heart,
my heart.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
At you lost a few dollars at that store this week?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I sent you, I sent you the pictures and you
were like, damn it, I wanted that money.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I had plans for it.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
It was it was quickly spent.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
At the first break at work, the phone was grabbed
and yeah, looking forward to.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That, it's good. Like the motion poster that they released
to had like some of the John Murphy score on it,
and it's got a little you know, it's got little
inserts of John Williams. Of course, the using the Superman theme,
and I know, I know it's divisive and people are like, oh,
why can't they do something new? Well, if they are

(03:25):
doing something new, there is also just going to be
some It's like any James Bond movie. You know, they're
gonna have a score, this original score, but then yeah,
they're gonna just stick the tip of that of that
original theme in there. Yeah, yeah, just to oh yeah,
remember this is the James Bond film.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, I'm all right with it.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I won't lie.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
It gave me the feels, oh yeah, yeah. Several times
it was like I went through stages even over probably
the thirty times I've seen it now.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
They was a time on day one where I just
was kind of in shock, and then day two seemed
more indulgent in a way.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I just like really excited about it.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
M h.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And then by day three I just watched it in
the morning and cried a little bit, and then like
fucked up and watched some other fan reactions and saw
some other people smile. You know, Crypto showed up and
that Yeah, and I really called it.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Crypto is the star of this damn teaser trailer.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, as one person, but Fleshy's gonna fly off the
shelves or something, huh.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Because they also put out like a little logo promo release.
And then the next day the teaser trailer happened, and.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
My god, we all lost it.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, we all well, you know, most of us lost it,
the vast majority of us. We're very, very excited. I
showed it to my youngest sister. She said, that's what
I'm not going to sleep.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Through, which is exciting for her.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Well, I don't think she's adequately look is a you know,
she she's a fan of like the Silver Age kind
of aesthetic. But she's also like not a huge Superman fan,
so she's fallen asleep pretty much through every Superman film
she's ever watched. Man of Steel total Zase Christopher Reeve,

(05:16):
wake me when something happens, like.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
We never made it that far.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't think she did.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Actually, she fell asleep thinking about it. Fell asleep in
the in the middle of the word rauth.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Actually, yeah, no, she likes Superman the animated series, though
in the d the DCAU she likes that.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it's really only a few. It really has only
a few movies. Would be thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But yeah, it's not that many, honestly, So, uh, you know,
I think this is gonna Honestly, I think the dog
hit it for people in ways that you know. I
even I wasn't anticipating.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean I knew that dog was going to be there.
I knew I was gonna love it, but I didn't
expect necessarily to see I don't know, I guess I
didn't expect to see Crypto that early. It just it
hadn't fully hit me we were going to really see him.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
And then there he was.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Like the moment that man whistled, my heart literally went up.
I mean, I'm not kidding, my heart right went up.
And then I mean that was just the first time,
like I got physically excited. And then later when I
was watching it, it turned into tears. But yeah, it was.
It was Oh God, I love that dog.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I was very excited about it.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah. When he whistled, I immediately welled up because I
knew what was coming. And then I saw like the
snowstorm yeah, and I was just like.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Oh, yeah, I have one pulled against Harf the wall.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, okay, I gotta figure that one out real quick man.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Uh. So much of this trailer, though, there was so
much we got to see David corn sweat moving around
in the suit. I thought it looked really good, way
better than the freaking set pictures, because and that's always
the way it is. As far as I'm concerned. I
didn't have a problem with the suit in the set pictures,
not a bit. Like I like the wrinkles. I don't
care like, oh okay, it looks better because they took

(07:17):
out some of the wrinkles. Fine.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I have perfectly fine with the set photos having never
seen them. I think I actually avoided those unless if
I did see him, I have a raised them from
my memory because this is how I prefer to experience
things like this.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, yeah, I like I like seeing set pictures. I
just like seeing behind the scenes stuff. I know they're
gonna change stuff. I have compartmentalized enough in my mind,
you know, trum, just like I'm not just sitting there
going like, oh, this is how it's gonna look, because look,
if I believe that, then I would have thought like,

(07:49):
oh no, Henry Cavill's suit is just gonna look like
a you know, padded sprayed like they sell shaded this.
You know, the muscles in looks great.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
On film, it's really nice, and.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
The scenes looks like garbage. But I mean the old
kind of do behind the scenes, what do you expect.
They don't have the colored rating, they don't have the
little tweaks and ship.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, the Christopher eve one is pretty much a trash
bag that's been colored.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
But they couldn't do anything with that. That's great on screen,
I mean it looks okay. You know, it looks a
little more space age than like the George Reeves Kirk Gallen,
you know, potato sack with a Superman symbol on it.
But yeah, even those look pretty okay.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
It was serious potato sack vibes to it.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I don't know why it looked itchy, Yeah it does.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
It does with the old Star Trek uniforms just like
man y'all. My skin's crawling just looking at it. But
same time, I will say that the like Dean Kane,
is about where I started going. All right, we used
to figure out something else.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I think we've done this.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Look, yeah, that is about where I started. I guess
it did vanish for a second there and return seemed
to have basically a strip of cloth over Brandon Rauth.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I mean no Superman returns, like that's where they started
doing the I mean they went full spider Man with it.
Spider Man really changed the game on superhero costumes the
same Raimi spider.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Man, so give him timing, that's not surprising.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
We get the Brandon Rauth suit and it's it's blue,
and I'll admit Superman returns, like the shading or like
the shade of colors on that suit were strange to me.
It was a weird blue. It was a really weird red. Yeah,
but get up close to it, and like they made
a texture. It was like an actual like rubber suit

(10:00):
like to some degree in life.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
If they get up close to it, Brandon Rath hug you.
I I hear he's a kind Man he generally is.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
But yeah, like there's like a texture and like the
texture is like the little tiny Superman symbols.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
M h.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
So that's like the first time that we actually got like, oh,
it's not just a suit. It's not just like Spandex.
It's it's actually some kind of something.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't know in this one. If it's there, doesn't
seem to be like an entire you know, Kryptonian moby
Dick written on it, like there is in Snyder's version.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Right, No, it doesn't. It doesn't know, there's not that.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
This is just cloth.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I will say though, but we would have there were
a few iterations that we would have gotten, uh, a
different kind of Superman suit than Spandex if they had
been made the JJ Abrams version. The Uh if you
look behind the scenes, they had some interesting stuff going on.
Uh Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Tim Burton's curtains really gone into some craziness on the suit.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah. I mean even the like the standard supermssuit just
looked like the same thing they like the rubber body
armor thing they did with Batman. Yeah, the molded muscles
and whatnot. Anyway, Uh, that's not really what this what's.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
The first thing that stands out. You get a good
look at it while he's you know, tko on an
ice cap somewhere.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, he's like laying in a hole, like freaking Goku
or some shit. Yeah. Yeah, as the Internet has been
quick to point out.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Very quickly pointed out, it's like the top comment on
one of the YouTube videos for right now.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
The funnily enough that it's the first thing that occurred
to me was oh man, that's so it's colorful. And
then oh man, I can hear like his ribs moving
around when you breathe.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
A way to start a trailer.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
It is labored breathing. Hey, my daughter asked when I
showed it, when I showed hers, what what's wrong is?
I think he just got beat up, buddy. Oh he
does not look good. No, he does not, he does not.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, but I'm curious. I want to know who has
done this to you, sir. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, we've got a couple of candidates in the trailer.
But yeah, something put a whooping on him. Yeah, what
part you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Uh? Am I crazy er? It is a little like
there's a part in there where he's like crying over
the dead body of Kloks.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think we're gonna lose.
I think we're gonna lose in there, you.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Think doing the voice of Keelox got of hope, so
we know he's got some mystery roll in there.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
It'll it'll mean more.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
He's like, uh, yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Is a bit of a way.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I wouldn't have him in that role unless unless that
robot's gonna have some sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think, yeah, I mean, well maybe, I don't know.
I'm okay either way.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I could do it.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
It's not like an established candidate. This has to be
a very boring little robot butler. But hmmm, well, it
can have jokes, why not shake Shakespeare bullshit?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Tuda can do more than just jokes, damn it.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
He can very well. But when you're so damn good
at something that's true, a shame to leave it on
the table. So along with just him getting his ass
beat and how good it looks, particular moment like just
uh the spitting the blood out, uh huh. Yeah, So
we're not going to go it wasn't going half asked
about whether Superman got his ass beat here. Also later

(13:25):
in the trailer, when he's being taken home. He looks unconscious.
It seems like the last thing he got out was
the whistle and.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
The very take me home.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, what is going to be now the iconic and
certainly plastered on our shirts and and or hoodies take
me Home. But yeah, it seems like he got that
out of his got that out, gets the cape up
to Crypto's mouth, that passes the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
M I woke up and I looked at UH people
were talking about the DC shot DC Shop. I was like,
what's going on in the DC shop? I went over
there and saw that take Me Home. Immediately I started
crying yep, and immediately said it to you. Yeah, oh Jesus,
I think it's funny. Everyone's been making the do you
bleed joke? Yes, yes, batman, I do bled all over

(14:13):
this pretty white stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I thought about that too at a point, like, man,
he's not gonna be hard to get his DNA for
a sequel on that if they want to make something.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
And wouldn't that be fun If that's how Lex gets
his uh, his DNA for Ultraman. If that's what's happening, it's.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Not gonna be hard spot to find. Where's the crater
in the snow with blood around it. That. Yeah, and
a spot that nothing but animals have seen in like
twenty years. Yeah, should be a blazing trail of dog
prints and something that looks swettish coming out of it.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right. I thought it was kind of funny. Corn Sweat
was like, well, you know he because they were like, wow,
where's home, and he's like, well, I don't think he's
gonna be dragging me back to Kansas.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think we're going to the fortress.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
On this one.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, that's what I assumed.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I mean, it's about question.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
We do see home weird point, but when you watched
it a couple dozen times you have, you have enough
time to think about this. But kind of like that
home in this case is just a one story house
on a farm. I don't know why the one story
really strikes home, but.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, that was weird.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
It does in a way though. It's what I drive
by more often than anything else. We have a ton
of farms right here, and like it's just it's just
one little one story ranch, three, two, two to one
whatever too. Yeah, whatever pairing you've got, Yeah, it's just
a little one story off the side.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
And then a tonn of land.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Most of the time that that looked like something I've
seen on a zilo like posting somewhere rather than like
the uh like the outside of some of the Kent
farm houses that you've seen are god like one point
two million dollar houses and and I mean like where
we live.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, like you have often thought like.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
A farmhouse just Jesus that think's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, yeahs smaller. They're always like, I've got to do
something drastic to keep the farm going. Sell the fucking farm.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, you could sell that one by another tiny baby
farm to the side and live happily.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Sell the pretty one in some city slickers make a
real farm somewhere.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right. So there's a thing called cottage core John Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Whatever that understand it. But whatever that new trend is
where you make farms into a house. That's the whole
thing too.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So yeah, you split into two lots farms one thing,
sell it to some bougie assholes, some some uh some
beatle users. Let them do their thing, you mean, ruin it. Yes,
that's what they'll do immediately, but yes, and find the guests.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
But I love the kai Jews I do. I do.
By the way, I think there might be legitimizing. Legitimizing
what the McFarland toys said. The toy leaks just saying
I have no reason to believe that that goggled, masked,
gimp looking individual is not Ultra Man. Yeah. Yeah, I

(17:03):
also have no reason to believe that underneath that mask
he's not bizarre.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Or any combination of the concepts.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Maybe ulysses it didn't he turns into bizarre. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Maybe it didn't have to like be you know, Earth three,
Ultraman or anything. It can just be Hey, I made
another Superman, and I give him another name, and he's
gonna beat you up now, uh huh, I call him
Ultra Man. Go punch out, go punch Superman, Ultramen like that.
That could be legit what we do here, And okay,
maybe all right with all I know was at some

(17:35):
point there will be a baby Kaiju based on your research.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, there might be a Kuiju. Looks like it
came from the ocean depths it does.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
It does look like a an aquatic beast.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's got that it's got that moss on it. Man, Yeah,
it's got the Coral the seaweed ship.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, it's in an area of the trailer where it
was cut real quick, so I had to I had
to actually stop and make sure I was watching. Had
a slightly bigger screen to figure out who was who
was taking all that fire. Mm hmmm, I thought it
was hot girl for a second, went back saw the
cape she.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Was in the trailer. She is, Uh, I love that.
James Gunn is so uh Willie Knilly.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
With his kaiju as in they don't have to just be.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Or we got freaking Oh, I mean I'm just I
just like hit. He just likes throwing kaiju as ship. Okay,
we we had like a giant fucking alien kaiju and
the at the end of Peacemaker we had starrow in
uh in the suicide squad. We're gonna have a couple
of big things floating around up in here. It looks

(18:42):
like we got like a just kind of was that
like son Killer. We got the damn uh Kaiju that
we saw fighting. I mean, like the big godzilla looking thing. Yeah,
that was a staple of silver Age and.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Uh, I mean couldn't anything dark, so he had to
go big.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Now you can do both, but at the same time,
like I do want to see, like we've exhausted the
overall dark tone quite a bit in DC, and I'm
excited to move on from that and get back to
pre Frank Miller, like Love Dark Knight Returns. But eighty

(19:22):
six followed by the eighty nine Batman movie, everybody just
got it stuck in their head that everything DC has
to be super dark. I'm just happy to move move
on from that and get back to something else could be.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I mean, I think a lot of creators have that,
but I think it's just an instinct to grit things
up because it's gonna seem fresh. I mean, in a way,
it seems like a lot of people had it in there,
idea that it was all you know, happy go lucky,
begin with that Chris freeves that I've revend be the
one one that actually did anything with it. So it
seems like it was twenty years of everyone thinking that
was the first time anyone had done that take. But like, no,
that's that's all what we were building av of.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
We've seen this before.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I think honestly, the Christopher Reeve like seventy eight was
more of a response to I mean, we did need
hope and optimism as a country at the time.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Ah yeah, it bit because people wanted it, which was
another good reason that this might take right now.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
But also I think seventy eight was their version of
gritty and media.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well there's a lot kind of before that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
You had George Reeves. Yeah, it's always like the wink
of the camera and the like.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
There was the thing I always heard about the the
seventy eight version was it forced the characters to take
him seriously standing there in that suit, like it wasn't
gonna literally like you just said wink at the camera
and go, yeah, we know, he's in a silly suit
for the first time, which I think was at that
time a very you know, modern edgy thing to do.
Now it would now we've gone way past that. Like

(20:50):
what you're talking about is we're what are you like,
post postmodern now?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
If that's what we're going for.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, I guess so. But you know, they also had
those lavish set pieces that we had never seen in
a Superman production before in seventy eight, So we were
looking at this Fortress of Solitude. The Fortress of Solitude
sells that cheesy ass suit because she was like, oh,
well that's not Spandex. That's like some kind of space
age ship.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, it gives it.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, look at that. Look at that fucking fortress back there.
Jesus Christ, you said you saw that planet with Marlon
Brando at the beginning. They're not given. They're not sending
their boy out in spandex. No.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Let him bust on a street corner in the same suit, though,
and it looks like shady some mad decks all of
a sudden.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think uh, I think the effects, special effects.
We'd never seen anything like that before. I mean, the
the marketing was literally you will believe a man can
fly that it was really Yeah. He worked the big
lavish set pieces. Even Luthor's layer was big and lavish.

(21:52):
You have the big, lavish set pieces and you have
the special effects. I think it just really sold it
in a way that made it feel grounded, not even
necessarily gritty, even though it was when you compare it
to Adventures of Superman.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Sure, but there really is a difference between gritty and grounded,
and we got to gritty a little bit later that did.
I think it was more grounded than what it would
seem now. But like you said, We've gone through several
stages here, and these things happen in cycles. So yeah,
something like this that bounces back into just no, what

(22:28):
I sent you this quote somewhere gun had said something
about this. My take on Superman is about being kind
in a world where kindness is outdated.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, that's that year. That's like a year old, dude.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
It might be I just saw it again and that
really it makes a lot of sense when you watch
this trailer though. It's the kind of thing watching this
trailer that when you read that quote, you're like, oh, man,
I could really use that movie.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
That sounds fantastic.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Please give me that.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Mm hmmm, I'm even more excited.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
So do you have any specific.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
The war in and Bravia. So, but by the way,
Brevia comes from like Superman two back in nineteen thirty nine, okay,
where Superman intervened in a civil conflict.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And uh, there's a growing list of fake countries in DC. No,
I never know when we've made up a new one.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
But that kid putting up the little makeshift Superman sign
and praying to Superman. Yeah, and damn it, you get
the feeling that Superman might hear him. He might actually
hear him like that got me?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
That one is that one?

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, So it was fun to watch fan reaction trailers
and I've never done that, really, I will not really well,
not never. I mean I have occasionally, but it's I
specifically wanted to like go to him here because for
the first time in a long time, I've seen comments
that were actually positive and just thought, man, let me
see and over and over again. Where it really hits
is you see Crypto, you hear take me Home, and

(23:54):
then that next flash with the music swells and he's
slum mode in front of you know, in front of
the ballard, saving the girl. Mm hmm, yeah, same thing
over and over again. People just kind of like interested,
little smirk here and there, maybe a smile when they
realized what the whistle is kind of thing like there's moments,
but then you know that hits and you can watch
the reactions and watch everyone just freak the fuck out.

(24:17):
This was gonna be exciting in a way that I
hadn't seen a long time. But I don't know, I
guess that was what I was gonna It's really nice
to see the actual positivity for once.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
It is and you know, the first couple of days,
I'd say I saw almost nothing but positivity, but I
was mostly just on threads and and then you and
I talked about how we've seen enoughing but positivity, and
then I went, wait, I haven't even looked at Twitter

(24:49):
or Facebook. I was like, oh, okay, there are the
usual suspects.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, I know I do on Facebook. When I saw
the pieces that I see cracked me up. Like Reddit
was the one that really really made me laugh because
I went there expecting it to be just completely destroyed.
Hm and no, no, I mean I had to keep
scrolling to find a shady comment.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
And then later I was actual expressed to see advertising
on Reddit, which is rare. It's just it's an unabashed
marketing run right now.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, and it was funny, like I saw one of
the one of those usual suspects, being like Gun and
company are really stooped to a new low to bolster
the numbers of the trailer. They have bought advertisement room
for it. In front of movies. I went to the
theater and they were playing the Superman trailer. This is ridiculous,

(25:41):
And everybody just leapt onto this person and was just like,
that's fucking that's called a fucking trailer, man. That's what
we We've been doing for like sixty years.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's why when you go to the internet, they're called that.
It's an old best from when you went to the
movie theater and you did that. Yeah, that didn't turn
out to be a parody account because God really.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
No, no, that guy was real. Apparently, one one one
bit in the trailer that I see attacked quite a
bit specifically from Man of Steel fans is oh, man, uh,
you know Superman got hit in the head with a
can and he flinched. I'm like, okay, So even just

(26:28):
ignoring the fact that there's content, there's probably some like
emotional context there, like I don't know, he's sad that
somebody is throwing something at him and that they think
he's a bad person. Uh you know. I sometimes I'll
be sitting there and like a fly will fly by
and hit me in the back of the head and
I flinch. It didn't hurt. I just wasn't expecting it. Yeah,

(26:50):
but let's rewind and take a look at Clark Kent
in that trucker dive in Man of Steel got drunk
as solid trucker throws a can at the back of
his head and he flinches. He does, and then he
goes outside and destroys a truck that doesn't even belong
to the asshole who threw the can at him.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, there was an.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Insurance company somewhere that had to deal with that. There
was a there was a retail chain that didn't get
a bunch of shit they were supposed to be getting.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Well, in the case of the trucker, he might have
actually owned that, to be fair, but.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
That's a rare case.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, it's very rare.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, no, I mean just in truckers that they actually
tend to own a lot. But it's actually how you
take advantage of truckers. It's a long story there. I
just but in manas still he's like he's like getting
hitt and he emotionally flinches, and that that made sense
to me. I do admit that the physics of this
bother me, but I have but it only in like

(27:45):
a way that's a little bit curious, not in a
actually pitch a fitter about it kind of way, like
it hits the back of his head and he moves
and and in the sense that he just something hit
the back of his head and he kind of moved
it a little bit. I kind of don't blame him
in a way though if you watch it, it almost looks
like it moves his head. To have been hit by it,
that would bother me. But I really can't tell which

(28:06):
one of those two is happening.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
So there's to me, his head barely moved and he
just blinked at the same time that the can hit him.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, I didn't see him like WINZ, like it was
painful or something. That part I've never been on board with.
I don't know where they got that.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm just saying, like, there's you could have your little explanation.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I have to explain it moving his head in some
classy because he he wouldn't need It's not like the
weight of one can, even a full twelve ounce is
actually gonna like move Superman's head if you throw it out.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
But there's also contextually within the scene a possibility that
he doesn't have his powers at that moment, like his
suit is torn the fuck up and he just I mean,
at the beginning of the trailer, we see him crash
bloodied into the snow, can't even get up. Gotta have
Crypto drag him back home. I mean, we don't know
what I mean on this one. He kind of looks

(28:53):
a little bit condition. He's roasted, literally, Yeah, probably from
that damn.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Country was involved before that.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, we've we've seen that shot out.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Get so mad so fast.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
There was just a Kaiju right there. Why are we
mad at Superman so quickly.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
He brought the damn Kaiju? Probably? I mean, you gotta
think Lex Luthor's got some kind of campaign going against
some I mean, if we're talking about if if Lex
as a billionaire in the DC universe is anything like
the billionaires we have.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
In our universe, yeah, ah.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Ah, it's only a matter of time.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, I mean, if if Lex is like Elon, I can.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Only presume he's growing his own baby kaiju.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah. Also, I wonder if ultramantous metamorpho.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Hm, I guess possible.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I don't know what to do with his character there. So,
as someone pointed out, there's almost no dialogue in this thing, right,
we have no idea what the story is there. There's nothing,
nothing in the way of what the fuck is happening
in this movie?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
It seems that everyone is doing kind of the role
you expect out of the people in Superman.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean there's a bit where we looks like Superman
is at Stag Industries, and uh, guy Guy Gardner played
by Nathan Fillion, walks in and looks like he makes
a construct to cover up the glass at the front
of this building while Superman is doing something. By the way, Yeah,

(30:25):
you get bitch about that Guy Gardner. That was pitch perfect.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Oh that's perfect.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Even Maguire was like, Dude, that looks like something I
would draw.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah. Absolutely, people are bitching because he looks like a
kind of ugly and hard to like.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
But that'll be Guy. That'll be Guy for you.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah. The the joke on the internet is, oh, he
looks like Uncle Fester, and I'm like, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Have you have you ever read.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
A comedic he does?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Guy Gardner is not a likable man.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I don't blame you if you don't know Guy Gardner
from the comics. Okay, he's somewhat obscure for the general audience,
but type in Guy Gardner and you will find that face.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, there's some kind of famous owns in the history
of comics. And you know, him getting knocked out in
One Punch was something that everyone was really satisfied about
by Batman. Yeah, yes, it's up there with the fans
straight voting to kill a Robin as far as.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think, that was a little more harsh than Batman
just sucking guy, and I.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Like to think the fans would have voted the same.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Oh, they would have probably more in favor.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I think the Robin vote was at least a little
bit close at the end, but yeah, they didn't have
to have a recount kind of close or anything, but
it was Yeah, yeah, not a character that you were
gonna like in any capacity. He usually shows himself and
in my run ins with Guy Gardner, he usually shows
himself to be a lantern in some capacity. He's not likable,
but god damnit, he does the job. Yeah, probably gonna

(31:55):
be like this guy fuck him, but yeah, I'll take
him in a fight.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
And I'm you know, is saying that he's confirmed for
the Lantern Show too. I'm excited to see that, especially considering,
you know, in the comics, he winds up, you know,
leaving the Green Lantern Corps for a while, he gets
the Yellow Ring, starts going by Warrior and shit like.
The nineties were a fun time, but hopefully we'll see

(32:20):
like a little like Justice League International or something some
some some giffing uh inspired Justice League chicanery. I am
happy to have Nathan Fillion as his guy gardner in
the universe. So we saw a little bit of hot Girl.
We saw just a little bit of metamorpho, like a face.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Unless you saw the Sonic trailer, and then I think
you saw like, yeah, him standing for a third of
a second.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Uh, as far as I could tell, there was like
an extra shot of ultraman Lex and the engineer in
that in the okay, and then it was that it
was that shot and then like that was terrific. What
else was it? Yeah, it was one more shot of terrific.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, I saw all of those characters. I have no
idea what any of them are doing any capacity, yet
they all like they look right when you view them,
terrific doing some cool shit with gadgets. How it girl
looks like she's about to be a shut out or something. Yeah,
it seems on point like we just don't know where
the hell we're doing with any kind of story yet.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, looks like we might have a sun Eater in
the background. Yeah somewhere. Yeah, that's a little All Star
Superman going. Uh, you know, might be it might be Brainiac.
Who knows, because it doesn't quite fit either, Yeah to
me anyway. Uh, we got a shot, a very intense
looking shot of of Les crying angrily. We also got

(33:50):
a shot of him with a gun, so he might
have a krypt knite bullet. Maybe that's why the Superman
looks so rough. Maybe Uh, that Krypto nite bullet took
some of his energy before the Kaiju showed up or
Ultraman showed up, So we did see him fighting Ultraman
in that stadium.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, I don't announce yet. These are I don't know
how we're gonna get to a desert where Terrific has
to put some shields up against what looks like.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
There was like military come in.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
There's what like he's at like a at some point
terrifics at a military base and everyone shooting at him.
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Where the fuck is that scene in anything else that's
happened so far?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I don't know, but it was exciting.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
It was it looks it's gonna look good. But you know,
if anything that everyone I guess is in the environment.
I expect him to see it. Like every time you
see Lois, she's got a sheet of paper with her
and is or is near a desk.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
She knows that she was kissing both Clark and Superman.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh I didn't even commit that together. But yeah, I
love any version of Lois where she figures it out quickly,
like yeah, like immediately puts it together, calls him on it.
That's that's that's my favorite version.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Mm hmm. I'll get to it in a minute. By
But there was some interesting there was an interesting statement
that Gun made about that. Then I've never seen or
I don't think i've ever seen on screen. Nice, but
I'm excited about that. So do you have anything else
about the trailer that you thought?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
No, no, should get to some of the news. It
was fine, the only really just the rest. It was exciting.
I watched it dozens of times. I had damn near
forgotten for half a second, and then when I got
ramped back up, I got excited again. I don't know
that I've ever loved a casting more than Rachel as
low slang. Yeah, yep, she's not she ain't even doing

(35:37):
that much yet and I'm deeply, deeply happy with it.
But yeah, what'd they say?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
What did who say?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
All the people? Yeah you were.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Oh well, we'll get to that in a second. You
know what, I think I'll end this segment of the
show by saying that on December twentieth, it was two
days ago now gun releases statement Crypto really did take
us home. With over two hundred and fifty million views
and a million social posts, Superman is officially the most

(36:08):
viewed and the most talked about trailer in the history
of both DC and Warner Brothers and any express Thanks
to everybody who who was excited and shared the whatever
it said, Happy holidays, all that crap. We all know that.
I guess fine, that's that's just you know, man kindness.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Slightly not excited because I am also excited, But damn
that is They've had some real hype around some premieres,
so that is impressive.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, that is crazy. I think we need to hit
a break, but we're gonna come back. We're gonna talk
a whole lot more about Superman because the Man they've
been basically on like a freaking marketing tour since this
thing dropped. It just really jumps started, and if it
keeps up, I don't know what we're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Surely they can't, you.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Would think, all right, let's hit a quick break. Hey,
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and you know, there is a large portion of the
fan base who is very, very upset about the trunks.

(38:24):
But I've actually seen a bunch of those people turn
when they when they read this. Now, what's aggravating is
that only portions of this keep getting spread around the internet,
like when you see it on social media posts. But
apparently David kord Sweat was the one who convinced Gun
that the trunks were the way to go. Gun says,

(38:44):
at the end of the day, the debate wasn't that heated.
It was heated for a while. I was on the
no Trunks team for a long time, and man still,
Director Zack Snyder said that when he was doing it,
he tried a billion different trunk versions as we did,
and I kept going back to no trunks, no trunks,
no trunks, and I'm like, well, let's just grind it out.
Let's just keep trying trunks and see what happens. And

(39:08):
David corn Sweat said something to me that really affected me.
We were trying on all these different versions and we
screen tested with trunks and no trunks, and one of
the things David said is that Superman wants kids to
not be afraid of him. He's an alien. He's got
these incredible powers. He shoots beans out of his eyes,
can blow the truck over. He's this incredibly powerful, could
be considered scary individual, and he wants people to like him.

(39:31):
He wants to be a symbol of hope and positivity.
He dresses like a professional wrestler. He dresses in a
way that makes people unafraid of him. That shows that,
and that really click for me. And I think trying
to pretend that Superman's costume doesn't have some frivolity to
it at its base, trying to make it look serious

(39:51):
is silly because he is a superhero. He's the first
one brightly colored, and that's who he is. So that's
where we landed, and eventually we all ca came to
a place where almost all of us agreed on the trunks.
I dig it too, And there was another element.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I also really liked that there were a couple of
people based on that still in the backgroground.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I just fuck him though.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah he said pursuit, he said persuaded most.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, he said persuaded most. But you know they're like
the last couple of weeks on social media, you know,
someone was shitting on this idea of like, oh, Superman
has shoulder pads or Superman has you know, uh fucking
knee pads, and he doesn't need that. He's a he's Superman,

(40:36):
and it just clicked for me and I had to respond,
and that didn't turn out well. I just wound up,
you know, blocking the guy because he wasn't hearing any reason.
But I was like, you know, Superman doesn't actually need
any of it. He doesn't need the any part of
that costume but spandex whether it's programmable matter. He doesn't

(40:57):
need the cave, he doesn't need the trunks. He of
this shit. He could just be like a nick and
me could.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Just be dick flapping in the wind and saving everybody, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Or ruling over everybody. He could literally be like the
Emperor with no clothes because he doesn't need them.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Would be extra scary.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
But I do sort of like the idea of someone
that's everyone just begrudgingly ignores his nudity because he just
saves so many people.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Uh huh, Well he's kind of a pervert, but he's.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Like never done anything with it. He never does anything appropriate.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
You just won't dress.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, it's never erect.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, never said anything untour. Just he won't get dressed.
It's fucking weird, Like what do you say he's noted
the nuclear explosion last week.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Fuck. Also, you can't touch his ears, he freaks out.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I think that will make him erect. He's kind of
trying not to leave that vibe out there.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
So like, no, it's just moving on. I I like
the idea of him being a professional wrestler and dressing
like that because he doesn't want to scare children. It
feels like a reverse of or, you know, transposing the
Batman thing from New Frontier over to Superman. Do you

(42:10):
remember this where they're like, oh, Batman, yeah, you're you
working with this kid now and now you're you changed
your costume and looks more friendly, and he's like, I'm
trying to scare criminals. Not sure it feels like that,
but with Superman.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
That was like the the era where he's have you
seen a couple of frames where he occasionally pulls a
lollipop out? I swear I think I've seen Batman pull
a couple of lollies at the utility belt for you know,
scared child that almost got mugged or some shit.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I don't remember that, but okay, I.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Really want to look that up now and see if
I imagine that one. But I could sorre I've seen
that happen at some point recently. I mean, if that
feels like I wasnier moved too for some reason.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Almost want him to pull lollipop out of the utility
belt and have the kid say, Mom, I'm not supposed
to take Kenadie from strangers. Yeah, Batman, just a chuckle.
Yeah that's pretty good. Your mom tell you that. Yeah,
well your mom's dead.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It's your oversion of shade quarantine Batman though, also just
looking for crime. You and the kid the fucking lollypoppy
takes it they're supposed to take from stranger.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yell at the kid, Yeah, well might abuse stepdad Man.
All right, So on the Justice League cameos quote unquote cameos,
they're not. They're not just cameos, uh, Gun says, these
characters all get their moment in the sun. They all
have their moments. They're not just cameos. These are the characters.

(43:37):
They're supporting cast. Mister terrific is the main character of
those characters. He actually has a big part of the plot.
And so that was fun. And of course getting to
work with Nathan is always something and putting him in
a stupid look. And then Isabella is great. I've been
a fan of hers for a long time, but it
was about balance. So right here we have a clear

(44:00):
indication that Gun absolutely knows that Nathan Phillian's guy Gardner
looks stupid. That's the character. That's the joy of working
with Nathan.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
He did this.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
It's a bit how Yeah, it's a bit how. Sam
Raimi always really likes working with Bruce Campbell because he
gets to beat the fuck out right, yeah, and make
him look stupid. There.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
This is why Seth MacFarland used to live having Adam
West around mm hmm. He once called him an incredibly
game fella or something like that, just real sporty.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Oh you said game game.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, that's where I learned the that's where I learned
the game as an adjective in that sense.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, I thought you were saying he's just happy.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
He was usually very happy on set, which also helped
people enjoy working with him. But yeah, apparently you could
just show up and throw at him withst the weirdest
fucking line whatsoever, and he would just rattle it off
without thinking twice about how weird it was.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Look, man, I love Batman sixty six. I love that
original Batman shit. Okay, uh or that not original, but
you know sixties spatmanship. I will say this, My favorite
Adam West line is perhaps the Thenoid should have avoided me.
Do you remember this? No?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I'm sure you say it over and over again now,
but I don't remember the original.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah. It's from Family Guy when he's like he brings
in a pizza and he goes, oh, no, you gotta
be careful because there's this guy named the Nooid and
he keeps trying to get that pizza. And then like
he comes in and Thennoid is getting the pizza. He
just beats look out of just beats the ship out
of this annoid, maybe even kills him, and then goes,
perhaps Thenoid should have avoided me because of Dominoes Avoid

(45:43):
the Nooid Caesar. It's okay, no Dominoes.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
An that it's overlapped in my head.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Man, they used to have a video game. They had
a Nintendo Avoid Thenoid video game, and I played that
ship all the time. I rented it from my premiere
video and I played the living hell out.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Of it to coll that in a copy of Pepsi Max,
another famous game from what must have been the same area.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Look, let's be honest, like we would go pick up
that game in some movies, and then my parents would
take me and get like Lee's Chicken or Pizza Hut.
We did not buy Domino's, but Pizza Hut and Lee's
Chicken did not have a cartoon character on a fucking
video game for me to play.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
So that's fair.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's how that went down in my life.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
There was a five dollars Little Caesars next to the
video rental stores, so guess what happened.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
That makes sense too. So there was a behind the
scenes video that was posted by Rhys Feldman and then
it he's on the set of The Daily Planet and
he asks the audience if they would mind watching Superman
for a second, and he turns the camera over to
a confused David corn Sweat decked out as Clark Kenton,
and corn Sweat appears confused and unaware of what's going on,

(47:04):
and then he asks the audience, sorry, who who are
you supposed to be watching? I just he just stares
at the camera, wide eyed, mouth open. And it was interesting.
It was Okay, it's weird. But what caught me off
guard about it was how damn deep his voice is
as Clark.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I didn't wrench to that at all, but yeah, I
guess it was there.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
It is a very very deep voice, and it made
me go, like, is his because all we heard of
his Superman was just like him whispering take me home. Yeah,
I'm like, how deep is his voice as Clark? Is
he doing sort of a Batman situation in reverse? Is
his voice really deep as Clark Kent and really light
as Superman? Is he gonna do? Yeah? Like, I mean, well,

(47:51):
if he goes if he goes deeper for Superman, Jesus Christ,
it's gonna be like Vader up.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
A voice actually is another weapon.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I'm like, how are you gonna argue for Trunks and
then have like fucking voice cumber Batch voice a terrifying everybody.
Oh my god. Not only does he fly, he's got
the voice of a Cumberbatch, which you know what that
that voice, that name Cumberbatch. That sounds right. I'm I'm

(48:19):
glad he voiced the Grinch. Now on his face, cumber
Batch sounds like a doctor, Susan.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
It really does.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It makes some sense in the credits. Yeah, you can't
tell when the credits are rolling there when they've just
described another character.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Cast or coud.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
He's the angriest of all of his cumber batchmen from
the Cumberbatch Forest, y'all I mean one Comba Batch anyway.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Oh, something about cork Kent's character, that character I showed.
I showed a few women in the trailer, including my Wiles,
to be like, all right, how do we feel, let's
check in, let's go vibe check on the Superman. What
do we think?

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And it him him as Superman. Not a huge reaction
at first, but it was usually when he's turning around
and full Clark Kent in full full hot nerd for him.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
That was.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
That was usually when the people I showed it to it,
Oh okay, nope, I'm in now.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I got you, which is.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Weird because I'm like, the suit is oversized, the hair
is terrible. He looks like such a dude. He actually
looks fat too. He looks a little fat, and well,
it's like the it's the thing the way. The reason
I say that is because one he's kind of hunched over,
which is all star frank quietly brilliance is to have

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him hunched over and look in the little tubs.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
You can reave hunched a little bit with his shoulders.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But like they put him
in such an oversized suit and that's that's like a
that guy trip. Sure, that's like a fat guy's trick.
I say that is a fat guy, so I could
speak on it.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
We don't like things that be that be real tight.
Yeah yeah, yeah, you don't want to see your jelly
rolls there. And uh so he it looks like he
might be a bit tubbier than you would imagine. Maybe
Superman being that.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Would be that would be fun.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
He's just got a gut the entire time, but he's
using his Kryptonian abs to push the skin out.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
You look under, but like under the actual thing and
pull it up and it's just twenty four abs now,
just a big sphere of ab, but you can't tell
that with the shirt out just looks like a gut.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
And that's how Frank quietly did it, like for All
Star Superman. And if you go back to like the originally,
like if if you look at some of like the
old sketches and stuff that when they were doing the
concept art for the book, that was like his take
on it is like, no, Superman is gonna hunch, and
when he hunches, he kind of just like, let's his
his face relax so he's got a little bit of
a chin, just a little bit of of a floor there.

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And but then also he relaxes his stomach so much
that like it, you know, his giant abs just make
him look fat while he's in this. So Clark kn't
just looks like a tubby guy walking around like out
of shape. You know, reporter spends all of his day
sitting at his desk. You know, everybody's like, yeah, that's
not Superman.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, he just looks like a former you know, linebacker.
He's gonna got die like ten years earlier than he
could have otherwise. Yeah, so he basically looks like Steve,
I like it.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I like that take.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
It does work for goods.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
GUIs It's better than just classics.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, although you know, I'll never forget the Time Square
Cavil experiment has a place in my heart.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
They recognized him, he realized that right, because it's time Square.
They recognized him.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
They just did give a shot.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Like Superman, your movie flo won.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
My fourth job today. Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
He just happened to go out there with people were
too tired to a cost and spit on them.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Uh seems like that.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
You cracked me up. You know, just finished a Supergirl
for instance. So there's like a moment at the end
of that that's kind of a oh car, come the
fuck on.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
I do love moments like that though, where somebody just goes, oh,
come on, man, you had a pair of glasses on.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, you didn't even change your hair.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
That is something now that I'm mired a little bit
in the CW catching up, that is just a constant thing.
Oh we are. We are making the assumption that covering
any part of a face will obscure them. Do a
lot of heavy lifting here, uh huh, just a lot
of heavy lifting because at some point, they're just showing
up in the in the noon Vancouver sun with an

(52:47):
eighth avenge of ship around their eyes basically in some eyeshadow.
I as I guess, I don't know this person now, okay, yeah,
all right, I'll roll with it everyone.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
I I have never really seen this done, but it
would be great if someone eventually, at some point pointed out, dude,
we all know, we all know, but we all know
what happens to people who know the secret identities of superheroes.
So we all pretend we don't know. We're scared. We're like, ah,
sh shit. Steve from Accounting is a fucking superhero who's.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Saying it's like the guy that likes in a bank robbery,
the person who refuses to look up from the four
like no, no no, if I look up, I might
see your face you might have to kill me.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
No no, no, no, I don't know who you are.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I don't want to know who you are.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I have no idea who that man is. Officer. I
don't know about it. I don't know how many children
he's got. I don't know what he does in the
weekends when he's not superheroing. I mean when he's not
at work. I just leave me alone. Leave me alone.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
There's a refrain in my Narrow Wolf books that's I'm
not interested, not involved, not curious. I think that's it.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
It's the bulk of it.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Probably there's a there's a conceit in I'm sorry, this
is Marvel, but there's a conceit in Marvel canon that
Galactus does not look like for real, does not look
like a man in a giant purple helmet. Every race
sees Galactus differently all right throughout the cosmos. He is

(54:18):
so uh, I mean, he's bonded with a cosmic being.
He's so grand and or horrific, much like Cthulhu. Your
brain cannot handle what you are seeing, so you construct
something you can understand. I like the idea that the
people of the Marvel universe on Earth, their lives are

(54:39):
so bandied about by the doings of superheroes and supervillains
that when they see the greatest existential threat they could
possibly imagine, it looks like a fucking supervillain is just
a man in a purple outfit and a giant purple helmet. Yeah,
and that's what they see, because of course that's what's

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going to end them.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I think most of our actual worst nightmares would just
look like an accountant.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Look a nursing home lad a little bit. Yeah, there's
a nurse. She's giving me the wrong meds, she's.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Abusing been cold.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
If we were five minutes, if we were in the
Marvel universe, it was like, shit, this Monday, gotta get
up and go to work, try to get it, make
it in traffic, and there's probably gonna be a fucking
man in a purple helmet coming through the clouds to
eat our city. I hope I can get the lunch
before that happens. I've got a meeting at eleven though,
so probably not.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
There would be a step off Marshmallow an aspect to this.
Imagine your worst fear and it's just going to be
like some assistant manager from your late twenties.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Ah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Going to be that bad. Now, it's creative as we
don't like to.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Think anyway, Moving on because we've got so much to go.
David Chords, what was talking about Superman's naivete? He says,
I was always cut out of the drama when I
was in school. Nobody ever cared to update me about it.
And I never felt like I knew the exciting, juicy
gossip that was going on. For that reason, I always

(56:21):
sort of saw people as the best versions of themselves
and saw a relationships as the best versions of themselves.
I don't think it was in a terribly naive way.
I think a lot of people consider Superman to be
a naive character, at least to have a naivete about him.
I think there's an element of that, but I think
it really is just sort of a blindness to the
little imperfections and the little conflicts, the silly little things

(56:44):
that we get caught up with as people. I tend
to miss those, and I think Superman misses those, and
that's what keeps him steadfastly and determinately looking at the
good and the hopeful and the future. And I'm grounded
in the fun and playfulness of the present.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
That actually works.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
But it if Corn Sweat's married, it sounds like his
wife does a lot of telling him after they leave
a dinner party, oh my god, you didn't realize they'rebout
to get divorced? What they're not good? I thought they
were good. Just just does not like kind of golden retrievers.
It through life a little bit. Yeah, doesn't notice the

(57:19):
hostile body language, doesn't really think about it till you
pointed out.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Which I love that because that might potentially be a
lot of fun in a future friendship with Batman or
a marriage with Lois bro. Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
You gotta imagine between the three of them, there's a
lot of moments like that where Lowis and Bruce would
just look a You're like, God, damn it, this guy fuck.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Oh but I love him.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But I love the idea punch him and it hurt.
It would it would really hurt, It would really help me.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I would love that. I do love the idea that,
like that would be something that's Batman and low responded
on down the road, like, yes, this is in fure,
but it might be. Our Favorite thing about him is
that like he's so he's so big, like he's so powerful,
and he just sees the.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Any fucking thing coming. Oh why do you protect him?
Because and the off chance that he's right about how
to view the world, I will die to protect it.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, protect this man at all costs sort of situation. Yeah,
Like he he sees the best in all of us
and reminds us that we can be better. Yeah, that's
his function. Yeah, I see your purpose now. Yeah yeah,
Rachel brosnahand talking about Lois and her grappling with the

(58:38):
death of journalism, who she is and how she sees.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
I don't know if they were going to keep papers
as like a static.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I did and.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Think about it. Like in movies, papers are a lot
of times just kept on some weird life support, where
like in the fictional universe, they're still there like PanAm
or some shit.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah, yeah, she says, I've always been inspired by this character.
She's somebody who is ambitious and courageous and hungry and
determined to get the greatest story, almost at any cost.
I've always loved this character and was so excited by
the opportunity to bring all of those things that have
been true of her in every iteration. One of the
things I love about this character is that, almost more

(59:14):
than any other character in these comics and in the movies,
she evolves to fit what it would mean to be
an intrepid journalist of each generation or each decade that
she's represented in or that she's presented in. I should
say so, I think our challenge today we're living in
a world where print journalism to some is perhaps an
endangered art form, and she's somebody who has dedicated her

(59:35):
entire life to it.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
See that's fine. I haven't thought about that. It sounds true,
it's kind of bullshit. I expect that of Rachel fantastic
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
She apparently tease that Lois Lane won't just be up
against a world of fake news, she'll be one of
the biggest bloodhounds on the hunt for truth in a
world full of lies. She says, I think as far
as what else is different, you'll have to check out
the movie to see. But I love that she's somebody
who doesn't understand with the word no means, and it's
motivating for her. We definitely see that side of her

(01:00:04):
in this film.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah, Yeah, she gets it. She understands the assignment. We're
gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Noep on why she kisses Clark in the trailer, she says,
I can't possibly say. I'll say it again. She works hard,
she plays hard, and she loves hard. She's a lady
with needs also that work cannot always fulfill. But I
don't know. But Gunn has said that this movie is

(01:00:34):
going to be depicting a different take on the Lois
Clark Superman relationship than we've previously seen. He says, Superman's
take on Lois and Clark's relationship will be more complicated
and something that is fitting considering Lois is who she is.
He says, it's just something that's completely us. The relationship
between David and Rachel's characters on screen is something I

(01:00:56):
don't think we've seen. I hate to say stuff like this,
but I don't think it's some thing we've ever seen
in any superhero movie. It's a complicated relationship, and we
really get into it, and there's long scenes that are
about their relationship and the way they relate to what
it would be like for a person who's this incredibly intelligent,
strong headed, stubborn, skeptical journalist to have a relationship with

(01:01:18):
someone who can lift a skyscraper. Apparently, when asked if
Leis knows who Superman or who Clark and Superman are,
Gunn says, well, we'll see, she knows who Superman is.
The only people that know Clark slash Superman are his
mom and dad and a few others who know who

(01:01:41):
he is, and those are very different things. People said
all sorts of different things. They said, Clark's the real one,
they said Superman's the real one, and Clark's the secret identity.
He said, but I don't it says it in my
script on the second page. I don't believe either of
those things. I don't think anybody knows Superman unless they
know both of him. And when they know both of him,

(01:02:03):
they know the real guy. And that means not too
many people.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Okay, I got a landscape for the field he's going forward,
but that still gives me absolutely nothing as far as
my plot. But you know, Tyler proper trailer want will
be four. I suppose, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I'm excited. Nicholas Holt, talking about Luthor, says, I think
with this lex, I mean, obviously he's smart and ruthless,
and he has to outmaneuver Superman on certain levels because
he can't match him in others. But there's also something
about his character, hopefully from my standpoint, where even though
you perhaps don't agree with his process, there's an element
where you can understand on some levels where he's coming

(01:02:37):
from and why perhaps what he's pushing as his ideology
is perhaps better for humanity. I mean, it doesn't take
much I don't think to get to a place where
you might be rooting for Lex in this movie. I mean,
considering more than half the country delected Donald Trump, you know,
like and are pro Elon Musk. You know, like we're

(01:03:02):
dealing with like a billionaire who's running around angry about
an illegal immigrants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
That's the heart of the matter for the last eight
years here.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
Anyway, as Superman and Superman Alex, what that is, it's
starting to feel familiar, although something that you know, if
you write a decent enough villain, especially Alex, there's usually
some sanity to their argument, if you wrote anything in

(01:03:30):
there that's that's worthwhile.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I'm curious what we'll get out of him, especially
if he's already acknowledging Yeah, there's some truth to it,
or there's some sense to it. It's I feel like
a lot of them boil down to basically the fifty
Thanos thing, but just framed a lot better.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I mean, even like just you know, we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Only have so many resources argument over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, as far as Lex and Superman are concerned, though,
like you shot on the movie if you want, but
BBS did it pretty well, Like Batman and Lex, the
Batman and Lex argument for why we can't buy the Superman. Yeah,
felt built, It felt pretty true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I always thought as far as it's like Stance goes,
it told a pretty clear viewpoint and set up pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Are we supposed to just like accept the students just
always going to be altruistic? I don't know we can
we afford to assume that he will be because we
kind of can't. Yeah, we got to figure out something
to do in case he goes a little.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
And then Lex focused more on just the symbology of
the entire thing. Yeah, we always make it. We always
make this a Jesus moment, but it's always almost always
actually a demon kind of moment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah, they all had clear viewpoints.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
We think that. Apparently several people don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I mean, it's it's it's a quick rambling, but that
speech on top of the I guess that Helipad speech
toward the end makes a lot more sense than some
people say it does to me at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Least m me too. It's like, uh, when I was
a kid, I'd be like, you know, I like X
Men and everything, But I gotta say I kind of
agree with the Mutant Registration Act. Like we probably should
know who these people are. Yeah, I'm just saying he's

(01:05:25):
some powerful assholes. We should probably know who they are
and what they can do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I do wonder at what point in your life, if
you know, what point in your trajectory of your age
or whatever, it's whatever has happened with you that makes
you just slowly start to think the villains are making
more sense.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, you know, I don't know, but I'm I feel
like I'm a little more rational than that because I'm like, Okay, yes,
I understand that the X Men are stand ins for
you know, well, black people and then gay people and
you know, any minority at the given time. Gotcha, cool, gotcha?
All right, But we're That's not what we're talking about though, Like,

(01:06:02):
in given a real world application, if people had the
abilities that these people had, I need them to be registered. Please. Yeah,
we need to know who that. We're not talking about like,
oh man, he got a blowjob last night, he needs
to be reddied. No, fuck that, That's not what I'm doing.
I'm talking about like that dude can like think about

(01:06:23):
a nuclear bomb and then it goes off. Yeah, that
guy could walk through walls. That guy could shape shift
it to anybody and like pretend to be my wife
and murder me in my sleep because I cut him
off in traffic. There's the difference, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I mean there's but there's a party that'd be like, well,
if you if you take it to the extreme, it's
it's just not mountable. I mean, one, you'd have to
life three sixty these motherfuckers for its matter. Like let's
let's say you had a power that could destroy one city. Well, okay,
but I need to know what to city that guy's
in now, right, So I guess we could up grade

(01:07:00):
the tracking if we want to do anything with it.
And then on the other hand, let's say it's another
guy that like he can create black holes if he
does something wrong. Well, the doesn't matter if I know
he exists or not, because my life could just go
away in about half an instant. I don't know. It
doesn't affect me to know this man might fuck up
and kill us all at any given second. That's not
gonna I just need to live my life without it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
But if I'm thinking about it from a government standpoint,
like I'm not, well, you know, you could do any
number of things you could give them, like the mutation cure.
If you could sense it, learned to sense it early,
you can be like, oh god, okay, well here's what
this mutant power is or whatever, like, oh man, let's
just get rid of this, let's just make it. If

(01:07:40):
you got like a black hole guy, you're right back
to like, we don't know what this mutant power is
going to be or turn out to be, so we
might need to go ahead and just neutralize it anyway
before he gets.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
To that, which is a fine instinct. But we basically
we have CERN doing that actively on a scale that
we know is deeply, deeply, deeply small chances that something
really might happen, but like it's not impossible. Yeah, here
we are. They're just still doing their thing over there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, And I still
think there's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Something to the theory that since twenty twelve or whatever
it was, things just haven't felt right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
You think there's something to that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
No, just only on my own at godal sense, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
I think there was some theory that CERN did something,
they created some black cold and like I think it
was twenty sixteen maybe where yeah, they created something in
twenty sixteen, and like one theory, one really really stupid
implausible theory was just, yep, this is just a pocket time.
We're not in the real timeline anymore. That's why everything sucks.
And I was like, yeah, you know, I haven't had

(01:08:40):
a super fun round of certain things in a few years,
but yeah, I feel like that could that could work.
Even then, who would care? You're in the timeline, fuck it,
that's where you live now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Ever, But all this happened since twenty sixteen is you know,
fucking BBS didn't do as well as we wanted it too,
and everyone got mad about it. Other than that, the
world's the same shitty places always barely. I don't understand.
Do you know what's happened? You know what happened since
twenty sixteen. It's been great, a bunch of great star
trek shit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Yeah, that stuff really has been taken off. I keep forgetting.
I want to go back for that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Eventually, we got a bunch of you know, fun little revivals.
Night Court came back for Christ's sake.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
I mean I had another phraser there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Scrubs reboot is confirmed's cool, that's coming. Uh. Bill Lawrence
is on a high, Like I mean, I ain't mad
about the last few years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Honest, Lawrence has been doing great for the last decade.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
But you know, I also come from somewhat unhappy environment
as a kid, so with some substance abuse and shit.
So uh, my life as an adult is way better.
I'm not like all these people are like sitting around
with their like jacking auth their nostalgic dick and going No,

(01:09:50):
things haven't been the same. The light doesn't hit the
earth on the right way anymore, and it doesn't feel right.
I'm like, hey, uh, I'm not living in a constant
di of anxiety and drama.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
So lowerk as w at the bet that worries, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah, I'm like, fuck off with your cry baby shit
about having to adult, because that's what it is. That's
what it is. People are upset that they have to work.
I mean, yeah, it sucks, and no, people aren't making
the money they should make.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
They just aren't being degrees how much I'm angry about
that on a day, sometimes even happy about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I get it. I'm just saying,
you know, I'd much rather be more in control of
my circumstances as an adult than just being forced to
be in a hallacious, you know, or on the outskirts
of a halacious marriage that won't fucking end even though
it desperately should. Anyway, we're getting into my past, uh, my.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Childhood, the thing this trailer was meant to save you from.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Hey, you know what, don't always stay together for the kids.
That's not a real thing. Sometimes you're actually staying together.
The real answer is you're staying together because of your
toxic codependency. Oh I hope my family never listens to this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Sometimes you're just saying together because you're too lazy to die.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
About the mister.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Way to put it, Jesus, Oh my god, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, I no, no, we just took a dark turn. Anyway,
let's see. James Gunn says, I wrote up this big
document on action and what our philosophy is of action
and how we shoot it and what it is and
keeping it alive in the air as well as on
the ground, and to be able to shoot stuff in

(01:11:56):
the sky as if we were shooting it because everything
was rougher like Guardians of the Galaxy, like it's in
the suicide Squad, and being able to shoot stuff in
the sky like that is really hard. So we took
a lot from films like Top Gun Maverick, which we
are shooting flying things. We shoot a lot of our
action with actual drones flying in and around Superman and

(01:12:16):
the people that he's flying with, the engineer whoever else
that he's fighting up in the air, and we did
that on sound stages. We got these really small, crazy drones.
Now we've got some of the best flyers in the
world here who are working with it, and so we
use those guys a lot, and everything's planned out with
me as it always is. But at the same time,
I've gotten even more into fighting new stuff on the

(01:12:39):
set and new moments and exploring that stuff, finding magic
where it is that sounds cool. I want to believe
a man can fly differently than I have before.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And they're gonna employ drones to make it happen. I'm
all right, we've thought about how much since that makes
But yeah, and yeah, you'd have to have like some
deeply skilled, you know, drone aviators to do it. It
would just it would be really hard to if you're
I don't know how you would articulate where you want
the camera to be to a drone. That would really
fuck me up trying to explain.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Oh, thank you, Jason, because you've introduced a phrase to
me now and now on my head, I'm just going
drone aviator, drone aavit, drone av you son of a bar.
That's your fault is my brain, Oh, James GUNTI answering

(01:13:33):
about the Superman run time, Thank you, James, thank you
so much. He says Superman is well under three hours,
and that says under two and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
A half, okay, between two and two twenty ish.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I felt the relief, my blood pressure dropped. I felt
the relief of not having to piss.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Oh okay in the air well that that's a good
starting point too. You don't want, I mean too little
or too much put on a problem. Too much is
just I wonder about how much I enjoy that at
this point in my life. I enjoy them much more
when I get to posit it. But still I don't
have three hours I can typically pill out to do
anything all that focused. So yeah, I don't know how

(01:14:19):
much I enjoy a three hour film really, And when
I get to when I have to actually sit down
and do it in one experience, it's just hard to do.
Then again, if you put out like an hour twenty
and be like, oh shit, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yeah, I think it would have been great forty I
actually I was actually thinking about it, and I think
my range is my cutoff point about where I think, Okay,
if you're doing a movie, it needs to be longer
than it needs to be ninety minutes or longer. And
my absolute lowest amount of time is eighty eight minutes.

(01:14:53):
That's what I've decided. Just eighty eight minutes feels right
like if it's eighty eight minutes, were on the cusp
of you should you probably just should have made the movie.
Like if all you had to say could be summed
up that quickly, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Saying seven minutes, you're thinking, okay, what you did was
you need to cut half of that now and just
make a really cool short film.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Right right. If if it's eighty eight minutes, I'm already there.
I'm already thinking like you left something else that you
needed to have in there. However, man, I really like
I grimace when I hear a movie is two and
a half hours.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
I just don't want to sit in a theater now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
It does that up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
I don't And also like when when you make a
fucking two and a half three hour movie that determines
how that actually determines my rewatchability more than any of
the content and actually does right off hand. Like I
went into The Batman knowing I might love this movie,
and if I do, I better try to remember it

(01:15:55):
because I'm not watching.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
It very often because it's something going to come up
once every couple of years now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Like, who's got time to sit there for over three
hours watching Robert Pattinson skulk around in the dark. Yeah
it could be cool as shit, but I don't have
time for that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
I think that's where I'm with it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I've seen it once in theater and I think once more,
but it was across several viewings.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of
the movie. It's definitely enough times passed that I could
watch it mostly fresh now. But if I had to
just gauge the temperatureund that I'm probably about a year
out from watching that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Yeah, I mean, I'll be watched it before watching The Penguin.
I'm not going back for that for a while. I might,
you know what, I'm probably not even for the sequel
I'll probably watch a recap.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Honestly, because I didn't before the Penguin. I'll probably just
watch it before the sequel and be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Yeah, so, I don't know. I love a short run time.
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
I do like about two hours. Yeah, it's easy fit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
It feels like you can shove it into the afternoon,
put it on the background, even really get into it,
get out of it in the same space. I don't
have to arrange my day around a rewatch.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
And that takes some doing. And I don't even have kids.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I know you have one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I don't know how you do anything in pairs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
That's how dogs got washed today as a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Team, but you only have one kid. How do you
wash your kid in the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Other part of the pair? A pair of us washing
the dogs. Oh, and that's how we Okay, okay, I'm
honestly just happy that not a single skull hit the
tile floor. Small wins matter.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
All right, Umm, I'm gonna I'm gonna schedule us another
little break right here at an hour and thirty. We've
got a lot more to come. We're still not out
of Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Good Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
James Gunn was talking about why he dropped the legacy
from the Superman title. He says, I still think it
has that aspect of legacy in it. We do this
thing called the pre mortem before we start shooting. You
ever hear of this, it's great. We go into a
room and all the department had and we say with
all the department heads and say, let's say this movie

(01:18:04):
is a colossal fuck up. We find out two years
from now when this movie comes out it goes terribly wrong.
What are we doing right now that we're not talking
about that, we're doing this making this movie wrong. It
gives a chance for all the parties involved to speak
their mind, whether it's about the script, whether it's about
the casting, about how the departments aren't communicating with each other.

(01:18:25):
Everybody is allowed, from transportation to whatever, They're all allowed
to say what they think. And I found it extremely helpful.
One of the things was I thought maybe the title
had a looking back feeling about it, and this isn't
about looking back. It's about looking forward. When you see
this movie, you'll understand where legacy comes from, because it
is again it's about Clark and his relationship to the

(01:18:46):
script and whose legacy is he really and so it's
about that. But I think as a title it felt
too looking back, and I absolutely understand what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Yeah, i'd call it a good at it more.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Than anything though. I included that because I thought you,
much like me, would get a kick out of the
idea of the pre bortemn.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
I love that cos I didn't know that was the word. Uh,
I do that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yeah, I do that at work as all not know
that was the word for it. Basically, the way I
do it is the way I describe it at least
is okay. If I had to do this again and
was cussing at it, why would I be cussing at myself?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Mm hmm. Uh. Now, Comic Book was talking to James
Gunn on the Superman set earlier this year. There were
some other journalists there, and uh, he gave a little
more insight into Superman's career at this point. Uh, how
the movie is not an orangein movie. It's starting in

(01:19:43):
the middle of Superman's career. He says, Uh, it was
a lot of these things in this movie, now that
I've been making it for over a year, that I
think of as normal. But now that you bring it up,
there are some stuff that I go, oh, yeah, that's
pretty unusual. Uh, we just start in the middle the action.
Superman already exists, Lois and Clark already know each other.

(01:20:05):
Lex hates Superman's guts from the beginning, although they don't
know each other personally. So we start right in the
middle of the action. It takes place over a short
amount of time, and that is something that's not like
very common in superhero movies anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
No, it isn't. But it's something that I saw a
ton of praise for and comments, comments videos. With all
the reactions I saw basically a lot of that. A
lot of men, we know the origin, we know the origin.
Thanks for getting us past that we didn't have to
spend fifteen minutes on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
But also, you know, this is we are in a
world where for the last several years, not only are
we getting standalone comic book origin films where we're like
setting it up, setting it up, and when you're like, hey,
why didn't this and this happen that they always want
to say, well, this is like more like the pro
too version of the character. They're not really them yet, Dude,

(01:20:56):
just show me the fucking character this is going to be.
You know, we just watched fucking ten years of Lex
not being Lex, Clark not being Clark on Smallville. You know,
eight years of Arrow not being Green Arrow. Yet he's
the Hood. He's the Arrow, He's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
The six years of proto Joker on Gotham.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Yeah, like just showing me the character.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I mean, this is a full tea on Terrific's face
kind of. These are full versions of people, and I
think we're all gonna be very happy about saving that time.
We've seen that style. I mean, you've seen you writing
creature commandos. We know the style of he likes. Anyway,
for this, He's probably just gonna favor a little flashback
scenes in the middle of something and pin the little
vignettes in a meaningful moment and you'll get your little back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
If they're applicably great if they're applicable. And you know,
I'm just I'm just tired of the you know, well
they're not them yet. Well, Superman's not Superman yet. We've
got to have a trilogy or five movies and two
of them don't happen, and Jesus Christ just appropriately we're

(01:21:58):
not the part where James goes reveals how Zack Snyder,
Richard Donner and All Star Superman influenced his reboot. Gun says,
I think that all previous DC media influenced me. I
think that obviously the original Donner movie influenced me. But
there's also a lot of things that this isn't like
I'm just making a Donner type movie. It's very different

(01:22:19):
from that. Zach did some excellent stuff. There's a lot
of stuff from the comic books above and beyond anything
else to All Star Superman. All Star Superman that influenced
me more than anything. He says that the inspiration manifests
in the film's embrace of classic superhero elements. He says
he wanted he had a desire to take that sort

(01:22:41):
of silver age feel, that sort of science fiction approach
to it with gadgets. Lex is really a sort of
sorcerer in a way. He's a scientist, but he's so
good at science, and I think of him as a sorcerer.
I love that idea. I feel like we haven't seen,
you know. I don't like when you look at that trailer,
I don't feel like you can really deny the influence

(01:23:02):
of Man of Steel, you know what I mean? Like,
there are definitely shots in that trailer that go like, oh,
that's Zac, that's you know, that's that's a bit of
a love letter and homage to to what Zach did.
They're absolutely tons of reefs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
The Little Girl alone is a very particular one that
hits your trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
But you know, also one of the things I felt
like I was looking at in that trailer was a
love letter to the Silver Age, you know, with your
Kaiju and your super science and all this stuff that
like big weird shit that I have been longing for. However, yeah,

(01:23:42):
like you get these COMBA movies and they try to
like dumb it down, like, oh, well, the X Men
can't wear their yellow and blue tights. They've gotta they
gotta wear all black leather because they got to be
like Keaton's Batman, which in of itself was a weird. Well,
we don't want to look like Adam West Batman, and
so let's do something dark and edgy. I'm like, I

(01:24:04):
want to see the comic books that I've been reading.
I want to see this makes sense in live action.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Like I don't want to you want a little like
gray and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I kind of just want
to see the weirdest aspects of DC because like that's
one of the things, Like you know, I I will
get people online who are like, you don't even read comics,
and I'm like, no, you dumb ass, I do. That's
the point, Like I I have read comics that happened
before nineteen eighty six. I don't just want to see

(01:24:39):
I don't. Yeah, I don't just want to see you know,
Frank Miller's dark and gritty take that everyone emulated for
fucking ever. Like I want to see the weird shit.
I don't want to see the dumb down version because
it's not realistic or we didn't want to do this
because we didn't have the money to do it. Like, no,
give me mixed you spitlick, give me weird shit. I

(01:25:01):
want to see weird shit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I mean I think it balanced, Like right now, you
want to see where it shit ten to fifteen years.
You probably want to bounce back, like the Miller area.
It saved comics financially and you did it. I think
it ended up, in my view, it ended up being
less that like, no, that's when everyone really wanted to
see the whole time. No, it was more just proof
that you could do the other thing, and everyone would

(01:25:23):
also buy that. But you know, as a as a whole,
we're just gonna bounce back and forth a little between them. Yeah,
and I think the Gun has a thing around the
pulse though. This is what we wanted right now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Yeah, And I think importantly though, like you know, Gun
has talked about how this the DC universe is not
gonna be like Marvel and it's not going to be
like the Zack Snyder verse in that every film is
the same tone. This is gonna be like, you know,
bouncing back and forth, like you're saying like yeah this Batman, Yeah,
you're gonna have some ninches and you're gonna have some

(01:25:55):
gangsters and you're gonna have some guns and it's gonna
be like a good street level bullshit. And then like
this one over here is going to be like there's
a Kaiju and yeah, someone for the Fifth Dimension and
you know, bat Mike's floating around over here in Peacemaker
and whatever is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
I don't know, but like I when you were getting
pull lists, like when you had a weekly for instance,
let's say like six or eight that were hitting one week,
they had different tones, like did you not kind of
organize which one you read first, based a little bit
on what mood you were in. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
well I feel like I have the depth threat now
to really focus on something a little bit dark, a

(01:26:32):
little bit thick.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Let's let's do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
These couple and then all right, let's finish with the
I mean kind of like how people arranged Barbenheimer last
or this year around, like how we're going to clean
their palate with Barbie.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Yeah yeah, Like I in my heyday, like I would
usually start out with Spider Man or Robin because those
were lighter, fair or Spider Man and Batgirl. This is
the Cassandra Cane Batgirl. I love that book, Damiensky. It's artwork,
and that was like really light, but still it was

(01:27:03):
dark too. It was a really it was a dark
It was a dark premise just in a dark character
like her backstory and whatnot. But you know, the book
itself was light and a bit fun. So I mean
I had my little like from time to like, there
were certain creators that I would I would navigate towards,

(01:27:27):
Like I really loved the Jeff Lobe and McGinnis run
on Superman, for instance, because it was like kind of
a cartoony anime feel, and but Jeff Lobo just guess
that character so well, and he's one that did all
seasons and or for all seasons and that classic feel
good Yeah yeah, is this always like yes, yes, this

(01:27:49):
is what I wanted. But then on another day, I'm like, okay, well,
let's let's dig into some of this. You know, Grant Morrison,
Batman or whatever whatever it was, get into Gotham Nights.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
You ever, just let them pile up and like one
Saturday you grab the sad ones and go, Okay, we're
gonna get through these today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Are the happy ones later?

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Uh? No, that too, You know, that was usually where
I where I uh, I kind of usually had to
get my nerve up to get into some j Michael
Strakinsky spider Man, Like you're gonna do something weird and
there's gonna be like spider totems and fucking Goblin twins.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Yes, I tend to do like a little I'm gonna
plum for how much emotional depth do I think I
have available before I get into certain kinds of products
right at at a moment, you know, mm hmm. I'll
look through TV and time and scroll. Sometimes I can't
handle any of that right now. We're gonna figure something
else down.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Yeah, yeah, But you know they're also like you'd have
stuff like Grant Morrison. You'd be like, oh, hey, Grant
Morris's JLA was always like a really fun read for me.
But then like other times you'd pick up a Grant
Morris and be like, I can't make but with him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Sometimes I can't be that heady right this second.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, I got nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
I've got feeling way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
More terrestrial than what I can consume at this moment. Sorry, Grant,
We're gonna come back for you while i'mil a little
more chipper.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah, anyway, probably need to move on. But I'm excited
to see some of the weird shitting in DC on screen,
and we'll talk about it on DC on screen that nausea.
So Gun was talking to Josh Horowitz on the Happy, Sad,
Confused podcast and he was again talking about some key

(01:29:30):
silver age elements that we'll be seeing on the big screen.
He says, I don't think we've ever seen the big
science fiction silver age Superman aspects that we have in
our movie, and we've never seen you'll see it when
the movie comes out. But we've never seen this specific
part of Superman's life. I don't think we've ever seen
the les that Nick is, Nick is imposing. You go, oh, fuck,

(01:29:51):
poor Superman. That's the that's the thing we never see,
and not in film. Sometimes in the comics you go, oh,
Superman's fucked because so smart and good at what he's doing.
But in the movies, you're going, Lex is about to
get fucked. You see now where a lex is He's
not the person you want to have against you. Yeah,
that's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
We didn't see any of Wendell Pierce as h as
uh Perry White in the uh in the trailer, but
Wendall did post a picture of himself chomping a big cigar,
you know, uh in the Daily Planet set, looking like
uh Perry White got the vest and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I've forgotten he was gonna be in there until he
was mentioned in somebody's comment. No, but I think he
was mentioned, like the Variety article. Yeah, and so oh
yeah he is in that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Didn't see him, m m all right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
So there was a dinner with a cast where James
Gunn summed up what he wanted for Superman. He says,
I knew that I wanted to have a Superman that
stayed true to his origins of being the ultimate good guy.
It's a movie about kindness, a movie about being good.
When we had our cast dinner then before we started shooting,
I was like, at the end of the day, the
world doesn't always seem to have so much good in it,

(01:31:06):
and this movie has to truly be that. And that
means that we have to be good to each other.
We had to be good to the crew, and it
had to be that authentically.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
I liked that little We're gonna be nice when we
do this rally.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
That's right. Someone asked, please tell me that Crypto was
performed by Sean Gunn in a motion capture suit, and
James said, most of the Crypto moments are based on
iPhone video footage of my dog.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
I would love to have seen backstage footage of Seawan
gun crouched over chord sweat and that pose mm hmm.
In fact, if they could just pull that together for me,
it'd be fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
That would be great. So, once again the rumors going
around that Superman cost had a total reported production budget
of three hundred and sixty three million. There's also some
sort of weird tax paper going around. Someone said, James,
is this true? James said, no, good God, I wish
I had somewhere even close to that. Yeah, And they said,
is the tax document quote unquote that keeps getting shared faked?

(01:32:08):
I've had doubts about that, considering most big budget movies
really cap out around two hundred and fifty million or so,
but even that is a huge number. I was thinking
Superman budget was likely more around one fifty. And Gun says,
I don't know if it's faked or if it's just
some weird form and assistant in the Cleveland office filled
out putting random stuff in the blanks. I sent it
to our accountants and financial producers when it first came

(01:32:30):
out over a year ago, and no one knew what
it was. I could just tell you it wasn't anyone
on our team.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
So no actual truthful source for that got you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Sounds good?

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Yeah, and we said that too, by the way. Yeah,
talking about the connections to lanterns, they were talking about
or asking about moments in the film setting up sequels
and spin offs and other stories. Yes, there are those,

(01:33:01):
he says, maybe two little things two moments. Basically, if
something is there just to set up something else, fuck it.
Though for all I know, those things can be cut
by the time where you get to the editing room,
because something has to exist for this movie. And if
that works at tannem with setting up characters that exist
in other media, then that's great. If Superman sets up
stuff a peacemaker, which it does, then that's great. But

(01:33:23):
that is never, ever, ever with me, going to be
something that I'm going to sacrifice, even a moment or
a beat and a story for, especially a movie. With
TV you've got a little more leniency to be able
to do that. But in a movie, every beat has
to be there for the movie itself. Everything needs to
stand by itself. I don't want somebody to have to
go see this movie and be relying on something else.

(01:33:44):
Now listen, once we get down the line, that may
change a little. And Guardians, what did you have to see?
And Guardians three? To really understand it, you'd be better
off seeing the first two Guardians. But even Avengers Infinity War.
I explained it in an elevator. The whole pl lot,
it's like trying to keep things as simple as possible.
So you don't have to have homework, especially TV shows

(01:34:05):
that some people aren't into. And I asked about Superman
feeding in the Lantern's gun, said, are seeds being planted? Yes,
there are seeds being planted, but that is never going
to be the predominant thing in any scene. For me,
It's always about getting to the next scene. What's in
the moment? How are you making this movie the best
it can be? And it's going to stay like that
as much as as I can possibly make it like that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
I dig it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
That that breakdown of like the camp campfire side.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Uh style speech.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
I guess like, hey, hey, hey wait wait, don't get
used to that, though eventually it is going to have
to get complicated if you want to tell a real story.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Well yeah, he kind of yeah, he's told.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Us all that to begin with her that it's it's
all going to be present for it. Right now. There's
not a time to watch. You can literally just watch
what peace Maker, Creature Commandos, maybe the Suicide Squad if you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Feel like it, Yeah, suicide Squad if you feel.

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
It, And then that's kind of extra homework. You don't
really have to No, you're not watch any of that,
so it's light breezy early days. That's how they get
you mm hmm. Next thing, you know, six years from now,
we've got a whole list like we did last time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
It's okay though. It's okay though, I mean, like we know,
we know it might go that way. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
No, these days, I'm basically like, what's a Marvel? Yeah,
I can't I can't be bothered with that. Right now,
I'm gonna watch a Bill Lawrence show about sad therapists
and forget that. I have like thirty seven hours of
Marvel to catch up on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I think I'm I think I'm caught up on everything.
That's not like the last season of Shield or something.
But there's there's still really a lot of really fun
stuff happening in Marble. But no, it doesn't hit and
feel like it used to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Well, I mean, I'm not sitting here going like, oh,
well they went walk or whatever? Am she you whatever?
I'm not doing all that. I'm just like literally just
tired and behind.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
No, it's just that we all got busy and the
formula got a little still for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
It may have gotten a little still. I don't know.
I haven't really what I've seen, I've liked, but I
also just get tired of watching superheroes. I say that,
but then I see something like the Superman trailer on.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
You're Back in.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Yeah, I would like to say that I get tired
of that, but when I actually sit down and go
through a lot of shows, it's it really is a
bunch of weird. So like something like Shrinking might be
about the most down to earth thing I watched for
a while, like it there'll be a Ted lasts O
or that or something for a minute, but the rest
of my viewing habits are going to be like ghosts
or just any just just nothing that can be happening

(01:36:36):
in the real world for me to be tuned into it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Oh man, well, look, January's coming. We've got Severance coming up. Yeah,
that second season of seven, So that's gonna be great.
Mythic Quest is coming, both the the next season and
the little spinoff, a little four episodes spin off.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
There's a fun example of like, yeah, I know that's
a show about actual humans doing normal people stuff, but
it doesn't feel like that feels different to me in
some way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, I'm excited about upcoming Terrestrial televisions shows
the yes that aren't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Superpowered non Kate Yonderd.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Yeah, uh, let's see, let's go back Superman. During the
promotional tour for Creature Commandos, Thhr ask Gun if plans
for a live action GI Robot had been discussed and
how they'd be doing that, and he says, yeah, we've
talked about all of these characters in live action and
how we would do them if we did them in

(01:37:32):
live action. I don't want to give away any secrets,
but we use we use some technology in Superman that's
completely new in regards to this kind of stuff, so
we would know exactly how to do gi Robot. So
I'm like, okay, okay, girl, you got you don't come
up with something with kiliks Okay, yes, sir. Yeah. Now,

(01:37:56):
there was a rumor going around that there was there
were reshoots happening on Superman Usual Suspects. We're very happy
about that, Gun said. They asked have on threads. They
asked if that's true, and Gun said sort of. Not
a few days. We're just not a few days. We're
doing a day and a half of pickup shots, no scenes,

(01:38:18):
no reshoes, just a handful of individual shots to enhance
the film.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
That's yeah, this feels weird, Like I feel like that's
the actual answer for once. So I'm used to bouncing
around it. I used to bouncing around. Well, they might
say that it might be this and like, no, he
just actually laid it out. No, not a reshoot, not
re scen Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Yeah, I feel like gun though if they did have
to do reshoots, he would be like, yok, yeah, it's
rare for me, but yeah, sometimes chick gets sucked up.
You have to reshoot.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Well, I mean we just did, like twenty minutes ago.
We were just talking about how they rewrote the title.
I mean yeah, especially before the fact, when they're still
in the editing stage and you're still standing behind your
work and you haven't even had to be graded bite yet. Yeah,
I feel like he definitely, yeah, you know, we really
thought a couple of scenes could be done different way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Now, in regards to the score from John Murphy, he
says there are nods to Williams and then also John
Murphy's created this incredibly beautiful score. But the one thing
is it is a score, it's not a soundtrack, so
it's not about the songs. There's a few songs in it,
and of course I chose those songs beforehand. But it
isn't like any of my previous films. Really, the score

(01:39:27):
is what drives it. It's a much, much more of
a score film.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Ye, it's funny. It's halfway through that explanation, I wondered
why why you and he were being so specific about that,
And then when he brings up his past, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
people were expecting, okay, a playlist, I see my bad.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Yeah mine for a second. I mean he's also like
pimping his like Creature Commando's playlist every week on Spotify.
Speaking with Io nine, Gun admitted that making Superman has
been an overwhelmed experience and he says, I'm miserable. He says, really,

(01:40:06):
I'm miserable, but hopefully it's for the greater good. And
he says, a lot of a lot is writing on Superman.
I mean, we're not just going to keep making movies.
So if it doesn't do well, that's probably it. Based
on the trailer and the way that everyone has reacted
to that, I think it'll do gang Busters, dude, I

(01:40:28):
don't think it'll be a blow up. I don't see
it making less than seven hundred No, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Not that his predecessor didn't break eight, but still like that,
I think it's going to be safe because it we're
not too far from it actually aired. This isn't something
that's coming out in twenty twenty seven. We're actually coming
up on it. It'll be faster than we think. And
it from the comments reactions all that, like, I felt
like people actually were ready to see this, not that

(01:40:55):
just it looked good and looked like asim quality because
predecessors have too. It looked like people were actually ready
for this thing.

Speaker 5 (01:41:02):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Just a big difference, it seems.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
It seems like the right time. It's like, look, you know,
something like and this has been said of Zach and
his movies forever, like Watchmen for instance, So it's nothing new.
But I think they were before their time, like we weren't.
We had just gotten The Avengers. We weren't ready for
Deconstruction to s bullshit. We wanted to see the characters

(01:41:25):
to being the characters, and then you know, people wanted
to see them slowly deconstructed over the series of several movies.
They didn't want to start out Deconstruction I've just been
off template.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Yeah, it was just I do miss the excitement that
it was like actually having people looking at that logo
again and hoping like I kind of remembered, you know,
back in the days of like when Man of Stil
was back in theaters just going to play. I was
just going to like play some pool at a local
bowling alley or something, and walking across the parking lot

(01:41:56):
had I had a Superman shirt and somebody shouted like Jorell.
I was like, yeah, man, I didn't want to point
out that that wasn't what I didn't want to go
into it. I was happy they knew the name and
we're excited about seeing the logo somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Like that part was nice.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
I enjoyed that time a little bit. This felt this
felt the same, but even better.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Yeah, it's just nice to like because even though like
I wasn't a huge fan of Man of Still out
of the Gate, I still liked it okay, like, and
I was open to more of that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
You did like it more than I give you credit
for in our recording.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Sometimes, Yeah, like I liked it more than anyone who
is an old listener of ours get like they're like, oh,
I remember you hated it. I'm like, no, I didn't.
I said in that review. It's a fucking three hour review,
and I sit there and talk about like, yeah, I'll
bring up shit that I didn't like, but I'm also like,
I hadn't hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
I liked this, and that you still had it as
like a seven or something, you know, just to rough
it out. But like it was just that we made
it a point to really fight over those last couple
of points.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
Yeah, I mean there are things that I still don't
like about the movie, but this that's not like I
feel like that's true of anything that there's always gonna
be something where I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Like, eh, thoughts, I'd love to take a scrub brush too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
But like, also, I'm a Superman fan. I'm a Superman fan.
I've I get it. I've read a ton of shit,
so I'm like, when I watch a movie, I'm like, Okay, well,
maybe I'm okay with that being deconstructed there, maybe I'm
okay with this. I kind of wish they'd done this
because I've seen it done fifteen other ways I liked better,
you know, Like I'm sorry, Like that's just bound to happen.

(01:43:37):
And as I've gotten older, I've become more open minded
to new takes. And you know that that happens too.
The more you see, the more you're open to shit.
M Are you are? You caught up on Creature Commandos? Dude?
That flash forward grill a grod Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
I didn't freeze frame the flash forward flash forward, but
you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
Me, Yeah, he was there. You didn't need a flat
freeze framing on that one. Uh Now, Interestingly, and I
did ask James about this on dreads and he hasn't
responded yet, but there's a there are shots where we
see that star Starfire is impaled next to Superman on
his right, and Mister Terrific is impaled next to Superman

(01:44:20):
on his left. But then in uh another shots, it's
Batman on the right and Wonder Woman on Superman's left,
and you know, there's no Starfire or Mister Terrific to
be seen. So I was asking James if that means
that the future is actively changing or in flux.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Or that her clairvoyance is inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Yeah, I didn't get I didn't ask that part, but yeah,
So anyway, but and we do see Supergirl on this
on the pike impaled, we see hot girl, we see
a young looking Robin.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
I saw a peace maker on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
There's a piece maker on the ground. There was a
vigilanting on a pike. There's a judo master, judo masters
on the Poeca was a lot going on in that section.
Now there's an article or the people are asking if
Wally West was in there. I thought it looked like
Booster Gold, but Dane Lorie said, yeah, I think that
was I think that was, uh, that was Wally in there,

(01:45:19):
but yeah, I don't know if if that was Wally,
though it was like it's a kid flash because it's
and he said uh. I would say that James was
very clear from the start that this is Cannon, So
you know, he did have to be very careful with
with what we were doing. And the truth is, I
haven't read Superman, I haven't seen Superman. I don't know

(01:45:42):
what his plans are with the DCU in general. But
for us, it was a question of him being very
meticulous going through scripts and saying, I want this here,
I'd like to have this character in the background here.
He was very thoughtful about all of that stuff, so
I don't know what it leads to, but I do
know that he means this to be cannon and it
was taken serious sleep okay makes me Yeah, that makes

(01:46:04):
me feel like the characters being in different places was intentional.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
I'm honestly, I'm impressed you made it back for that.
I finished the episode and all I could think is
free weazel. That just fucking hashtag freewaysel I just spent
the last I spent the last few episodes moments of
that episode just with like tears hitting my my crossed legs.
I honestly how much that impact probably had on the

(01:46:32):
future completely slipped on.

Speaker 1 (01:46:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
I remember about it later that like, oh yeah, I
guess that would have been chorn sweat, and I don't
know who the Wonder Woman must have been, Like, I
remember pondering it a little bit, but I didn't make
it back in any real, real analytical way.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
I saw some people posting the shot of Batman dead
on the pike, you know, and being like, well, I
guess this is guns confirmation that it's going to be
Alan Richson playing Batman. Where did there? I saw a
man in a batsuit looking down and in shadows like
he's dead, like he's where did we get Like I

(01:47:07):
didn't see a body type or anything. He's covered in cape.
I don't understand what we're talking about. But yeah, no,
it was I was happy to see some iteration of
Batman and Wonder Woman. By the way, if you look
at that Batman, he's got a he's got a collar. Yeah, okay,
he's got a collar like uh gotam By gas slide
or Patterson.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Oh that kind of high collar. All right, So okay, yeah,
we're doing collars here.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
All right, but again, this fight not lead to anything
I'm talking about, baman.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
I'm just thinking like i'd like the collar on Superman here,
so like, okay, style, yeah, works for I go back
and forth on collars. It's like a really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Little like like a little baby noose faratu collars, you know, yeah,
I mean, who knows if we'll actually see that. It
might you know, they might just be like, ah, well
that was like the cape kind of ridged up for
a second. That wasn't really a collar. Okay, it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Bit of extra noose still left. This was in the
first one we killed him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
We were extra mad.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
So this never occurred to me. But apparently some fans
were upset that James gunn appears in the Creature Commando's
opening sequence. Apparently some people thought that that means that
James Gun exists in the DC you as some godlike
version of himself, which would be fun, would honestly to me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
I mean, I remember when we talked about Commandos on this,
I had a moment myself where like when I saw
the first episode and saw his character, I had that
same little micro moment. But then I moved on and
realized he just made him some little thought a guard
and thought, well, you know what if you got it
fun at buddy, But.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
He didn't know. He didn't. Apparently showrunner Dean Lorie said
it was his idea. He said, James had a credit
and we were trying to figure it out. We gave
all the credit the characters sort of little moments, and
we were like, James is kind of a character, we
should give him something, and they made it James Gun
in the dark throughout the whole process, and he's like

(01:49:04):
watching the opening credits was like a shock for for
for Gun, and he wasn't completely into it. He said,
that's not a but he's like yeah, that's not Cannon, Like,
he's not in the show. He says, I was or
the universe, he said. Gun says, I was surprised and
my ego was stroked and I was like, oh my god,
Please don't let people think that I told them to
animate me. And Laurie says Gun to not get the

(01:49:28):
order to turn him into the animated character. He says,
I can tell you for the record, he didn't ask
to be animated. We were thrilled to present it, and
nervously we presented it a little bit. Gun said, yeah,
we're all let it slide, you know. But yeah, that
was Yeah, that was not a that was not a
Gun to say.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
I mean, it's a fun backstory. I was honestly okay
with it. If he had slipped himself in, like yeah, man,
do it. You're betting the whole farm on this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Yeah, I liked it. Do you see this? Hollywood reporter
says that A Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow's it's filming in
January January this year in England. It's got a twenty
twenty sixth release day. I'm so excited about that shit.
One of our listeners wrote in and was like don't
you understand they're setting us up. They have Crypto and
the Superman trailer. You know what happens Crypto with Supergirl

(01:50:17):
Woman of Tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
No, I do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
I'm afraid, don't don't be because yes, Crypto does die
in the story, but at the end it turns out
that that was, you know, not true. Yeah, Crypto's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
I mean genuinely, that's the only drawback of introducing your Crypto.
I think a lot of people have the same experience
of like, Okay, now I have the cute dog, if
you do anything to harm a hair on that motherfucker's body.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
No, I hate giving spoilers like that for you know, well,
I do hate giving spoilers for that. But I feel
like that's one of the times when is actually when
a dog is involved that everyone already is falling in
love with, nobody cares about spoilers or like, is the
dog okay? I'm not gonna watch the fucking thing unless

(01:51:07):
you tell me the dog is okay? Is the dog okay?

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
During the deceased run from Tom Taylor, there was a
spot somewhere in there where I remember tweeting at Tom
Taylor just in vain. Please for love a God, let
this dog get through this or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
Yeah, because we were losing people every issue.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
That's funny, all right, So moving on to the epic
crime saga, the Batman epic crime epic. I can't say
that the Batman epic crime saga. Matt Reeves confirmed that
they are talking about Penguin season two.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
That was in a new interview with Variety, and that
was a it was a fun interview. Go check that out, y'all.
It was Matt Reeves and Zoe Kravitz just talking about
She's talking about her new movie that she directed with
Channing Tatum.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
That Link Twice or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
I don't remember what was called. Actually is uh it's
like the billionaire taking women to the islands kind of thing.
I think the book was called Pussy Island and they
were like, well, we couldn't call it that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
I just saws where it's something about a premiere and
Tatum was there, and I think it was called Blink Twice.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
That's all I had.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Oh, yeah, that's probably what it is. Yeah. Uh yeah,
it's just like a you know, suspense movie where he's
like taking women to this Island and fucked up shit
that what was happening. But it was kind of neat
and uh that that interview is cool because Zoe is
talking to Matt about like how on The Batman she
would have ideas and he would be like, well, come

(01:52:38):
over here, let's look at the monitor, and like he
kind of like meticulously helped her like figure figure out
like what as a director you should be looking for.
And he would listen to her and be like, yeah, yeah,
and this and this, and she was like, you were
just so meticulous about it. She says, you're an incredibly
meticulous filmmaker. I just asked you how it was going
with writing and you said slow, And I think that's

(01:52:59):
a wonderful qual because you care so much. Part two running,
Part two of Batman, and he says about The Batman
Part two, he says, we're finishing the script. We're going
to be shooting next year, and he says, we're talking
to show runner Lauren lefranc about doing another season of Penguin.
That was a special experience. I just feel like, I
feel really fortunate. These characters don't belong to me. They

(01:53:21):
belong to the world. It comes down to whether you
can approach them in a way that expresses something personal. Anyway,
it was a great little interview, and she really praised
him for being, like, you know, the kind of guy
who take time to kind of mentor her a bit
and does it just close the door and be like, oh,
you're an actor, go away, lady, you're a pretty actor.

(01:53:44):
Go over there.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
That's correct me.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
I've seen Man's work. I haven't seen a lot of
like him behind the scenes stuff, but he always has
like an Andy Dailier's kind of tour vibe to him.
And like, then you see hit the stuff he makes,
there's a mismatch there. To me, he just don't look
like he's some brooding character in an actual interview. He
seems like he has a decent time at life. And

(01:54:07):
then yeah, yeah, his stuff, his stuff's town has some
deeply scarring shit in it. So it's fun to see
him later looking all ted last ship.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Yeah Yeah. Gunn said that he has contemplated making h
Pattinson's Batman the d c U Batman on Happy Sad Confused.
He says, I contemplate everything, we talk about everything. You'd
be an idiot not to consider it. Yeah, but he

(01:54:38):
does like he did say that he's committed the DC
Studios is committed to telling the else world stories. He says,
I want the freedom to tell else world stories. We
want to be able to tell a story in which
Superman is very different from his DCU counterpart. We want
to play with these characters in different ways. One of
the things I love about DC over Marvel comic books
is that those things are much more plentiful. There's many

(01:54:58):
more else world stories, There's many more presentations of Wonder
Woman and Batman and Superman, especially that you see them
showing up in different ways in different else world stories.
I think that's part of the fun of DC. Watchman
is the result of DC telling a story that's outside
of the continuity of DC comics.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
I think the top twenty fablus of stuff that's in
DC's canon, like half of it's just fucking amazing ELTs worlds.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Uh huh, and I agree with you totally.

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
Did you see that he announced the Clayface movie. Yeah,
we're getting a clay Face a clay Face movie. It
is green lit, it's not in development, it is done,
it is happening, This is going to be, This is
gonna be a thing. Uh, it's Peter Saffron and James Gunn.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
You know, of course they're saying this is a DC
Universe movie. They have said it over and again, over
and again. This is DCU Clayface. It's a horror leaning
take on Clayface.

Speaker 4 (01:55:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
And it comes from the Haunting of Hill House and
Midnight mass creator Mike Flanagan apparently like Flannagan walked in
and had a take, and he had a pitch and
gun said, I can't believe you made me want to
do a fucking clay Face movie. And he's like, but
we'll see, go ahead and write your script. We'll see
how that goes, because you know scripts, you know how

(01:56:14):
that happens. And uh. And then he came back with
a script and it was great, and then the second
draft was better.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Next thing, you know, we're making a fun He's like,
all right, he.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
Says, yeah, he said, I didn't plan on making a
clay Face movie. Mike came in, he pitched this wonderful idea.
I was like, damn, I can't believe he made me
want to make a clay Face movie. But he's got
to write the script, and who knows how that's going
to work. He goes and he writes the script. First
draft is great, second draft is even better, and then
I'm like, let's do it. So yeah, they're describing it
as a horror, thriller, tragedy. Now I ain't saying, you know,

(01:56:50):
Gun hasn't said no, one has said that Alan tudic
is playing clay Face in this movie. But they did
specify it as DCU and we are going to see
clay Face DC see you Clayface in Creature Commandos, and
he will be played by Alan Tudek.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
And they did mention that some animated might make its
way onto the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
He said, primary primary characters. I don't know what all
that means. But also you have to understand his clayface.
So how we don't know that this Mike Flanagan might
be uh and the Basil Carlow and it might one
might be Matt Hagen, you know, it might be do
Lady Clay or something. There's like four or five different

(01:57:29):
clay Faces in the in the same even the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
Same origin stories all the time, or origin method at
least they.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Run around call themselves the mud Pack together. I mean,
who knows, but that's exciting and people have gotten very
upset about it, but it's it's okay. People have asked
his Gun or is Gounn worried about the release dates
because Clayface as a release date of September eleventh, twenty
twenty six, Supergirl. Supergirl has got to be June twenty,

(01:57:59):
twenty twenty six, but the Batman Part two is scheduled
for October twenty twenty six. And Gun was asked, oh,
are you worried about it? And he's like, well, no,
because Clay Faces in the DCU, it's different universe. Matt
reeves Batman is Elseworld's two different things.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
Yeah, we'll be a CAD. I get considering it though.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
Mm hmm, all right, let's get over to some DCT.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Continue more aggressive, slurpy sound.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
I don't have much saliva this time, so it's like
I had to really go for it this time. On
Happy Sad. Confused In terms of Booster Gold and Batman updates,
Gun says, we're not quite there yet. In terms of
Booster Gold, the scripts aren't quite what I want them
to be. From the beginning, I've made it clear that

(01:58:54):
the one thing that we're going to do at DC
no matter what We're gonna wait until the screen plays
and the tailplays are ready before we shoot them. And
I'm not going to shoot anything until I'm happy with it.
I'm not a crazy person. I'm not sitting here micromanaging everything,
and I'm never not happy with anything. I'm not one
of those guys. But I have to feel it in
my heart. And that's happened. It's happened with Supergirl, It's

(01:59:17):
happened with Lanterns. It happened with another thing that was
green lit last week that I can't even talk about yet.
I think that's Clayface. Yeah, And it's happened with some
other things. There are some other things out there that
we're moving on. Other things aren't quite there yet. Booster
Gold's not quite there yet, Waller isn't quite there yet,
Brave in the Bold isn't quite there. They're not quite

(01:59:40):
where I want them to be yet. I am down
with that. I love that. I hate the way Marvel
has been doing it over the years, the last several years,
whereas like we're just gonna shoot everything on a green screen,
We're gonna do variations of everything, and then we're gonna
fix it in post Well, fix it in post.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
I don't like that A little bit of the Marvel
method over there has been you know, a film is
going to be made and it's going to tell this
part of the story, and if you know, edgar Wright
walks away from matt Man, it'll be okay, well, yeah,
we'll plug and play a little bit and uh that.
It's not that each film didn't have its flavors early on.
Kind I think a little bit more maybe, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

(02:00:22):
The other major thing that I think is a huge
improvement is not using hyper focusing on ridiculous fan reactions
where you're not really even getting the right litmus tests
involved to decide what to do and what to green light. Like,
that's the major advantage that should have been there the
entire time. It'll end up being one of the great
regrets I think of Warner Brothers if this works, is

(02:00:45):
having an actual person in charge creatively make that decision,
or make that decision with some you know, creative backing.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
Mm hmm. Yeah. I I like stepping back and going
we just need to do things more creatively and tell
the story we want to tell without you know, just
making schlock that can be pieced together with CGI and
just to keep.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
The machine roll if it's not ready, doesn't have to
go out.

Speaker 1 (02:01:17):
Dan Ackroyd's phrase from Blues Brothers two thousand, saccharine, soulless
slush comes to mind, and I don't like that, so
not a fan. Not to say it's been completely that,
but it has been obviously that a few times at least.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Yeah, it'll just be a nice change pace to actually
make those decisions from Gun's perspective, where I would just
like to try for once making a movie for the
right reasons at all. It just feels like it's been
a while on our side of the street.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
M h oh, it's definitely been a while from our
side of the street, you know, not counting the Batman, which,
even though I was, you know, slightly bored by it,
it was a bit long, but it also felt like
a fresh take on Batman, and it felt like they
cared about what they were doing well.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
To that end, Yeah, that might be. I mean we
started with Superman last time too, so Man have still
pretty much got made the way Zack Snyder wanted mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:02:19):
Yeah, that's one of those that he said that he
was happy with how it how it turned out, and
didn't want a director's cut, didn't have a director's cut.

Speaker 6 (02:02:27):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
It was that so all right. Asked if Paradise Lost
is still the Wonder Woman prequel series, Paradise Lost is
still around and in development, God says it's in very
active development. That was as of November twenty fourth. So
I mean I've seen people saying we haven't heard anything
about that for a while. Man, Well yeah, you have,

(02:02:48):
you have now it's right there November twenty fourth, very
active development, according to documents on the Entertainment Identifier Registry,
which provides a unique identifier for audio visual content across
the global entertainment industry. DC Animation veteran Jeff Wamester is
set to direct Batman Nightfall part one way Mester directed

(02:03:13):
Crisis on Infinite Earth's so uh yeah, it looks like
if they do, that'll probably be a three part movie
as well. Nightfall, Night Night's Quest and nice end.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:03:28):
It's not a small project.

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
No, that's a that's a it's a project, meaty, erect
and throbbing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
That was hoping you were gonna say media and needy,
but it went.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
Somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
She watched this Harley Quinn season five trailers of the day.
What do you think, man?

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
I had a revelation watching it. We're at a point
where with Harder where I kind of I don't really
know ork here. It's not like I was going to
watch that trailer and go, oh my god, they're gonna
explore this. They have a way of doing it where
it doesn't matter to me what they're going to explore.
It's gonna be fun. Huh, gross is all shit, and
I'm going to enjoy the hell of it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
Yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah. So you know, last
time we talked about news, I brought up the fact
that Harley Quincy's in five West pushed back. But we
now have a date. It's Thursday, January sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
It's going to drop the first new episode every week
up until March twentieth. So I'm okay. I'm excited because

(02:04:32):
it's not often you see Coco the space monkey palading
around with brainiact these days fair like this shit was
like we last saw Coco in what the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
Shit, it's been a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
I laughed when Bain screamed, I will not be taken
down by artificial in diligence. Yeah, best line of the
whole of the whole trailer though, what you don't trust,
you don't trust Harley. Oh yeah, I'm sure with her
gymnastic skills of short shorts, we'll save us all. Yeah. Also,
I just love this, Like we saw this a few
times of the trailer. It looks like there is a

(02:05:09):
team up between Joker, Lois Lane, and Bruce Wayne and
that looks fun. That looks so fun to me. But yeah,
it's a Hartly Gwyn trailer. I look excited. You got
King Sharks kids noting on Frank. Yeah, I'm just good,
you know, I'm excited to see every one of those
characters back. Love me some hard.

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
Really, just watching it was enjoying it and thinking, like,
I guess I didn't have expectations, but they're somehow going
to exceed whatever it was I was.

Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
There's no point They're gonna be something weird.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
Anyway, They're gonna do something weird and you're gonna enjoy
the hell out of it. I don't know why there
are giant rats having overtaken Gotham.

Speaker 2 (02:05:49):
And yeah, they're casually deciding to hit the road. I
think Brainiac is gonna be what confounded by the lack
of predictability in Harley's team. Uh huh of him, you know,
crossing galaxies just to find here and go.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
What the what the actual hell?

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Lady?

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
Sure? Uh huh, you have a half sane Joker over
there going I know, right, I.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Do like how Jokers taking a turn in this show.

Speaker 2 (02:06:17):
It is weird. It I'm yeah, it's it's different. It's
a different take that I'm enjoying.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
He's like married and his wife and kids just kind
of accepted for who he is.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
I guess for once, Joker has like some investment in
the continued or the continuance of the story in general.
For the most part, every time you see Joker, he's
there to ruin everything and destroy and kill it. But
that's one actually needs to get to soccer practice on
Thursday and ship.

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
Like, and he's the mayor of So Linda Carter showed
up in a deadpool. You sent me that short, yeah,
and uh, I don't know it was. It's not really
a DC new but I thought it was fun And

(02:07:01):
I'll put it in the show notes at the bottom.
Because we are almost done.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Unbelievably, after what feels like a comic condy.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
Yeah. Uh, just a little fun bit where you know
Deadpool and his kid as kid Pool are Ryan Reylds
kids kid Pull. Uh, just you know, doing some charity work,
you know, and h Linda Carter shows up and he's
like do the thing and she spins and then it's
like a big ugly Christmas sweater and he's like's those

(02:07:31):
assholes at DC legal? It was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:07:37):
Actually the line that got me them kind of driving away.
It must have been the same guys that got Cavil
and so it's like the.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Yeah Batman, yeah, which I assumed he was talking about
Michael Keaton since Ben Affleck came back briefly.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
I just like that there's somebody out there actively rounding
them up, and Deadpool, of all people, would be vaguely
aware of this.

Speaker 1 (02:07:58):
Oh man. Not that the run time will show it,
but our recording is a two hours and thirty four minutes.
That is longer than we've done in a minute and
a good reason to stop. Yeah, it's almost ten o'clock.
I need to run a Walmart.

Speaker 2 (02:08:14):
Start my day.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
I don't know about starting my day. I just need
to go to Walmart before they close. Man, all right,
thank you guys so much for listening. Let us know
what you're talking thought about all the things, the Superman
trailer and how excited you are. DC on screen at
gmail dot com if you want to leave us a message,
or you can do so on the Patreon Patreon dot

(02:08:39):
com slash DC on screen. One dollars a month gets
you every episode to add free. Five dollars a month
gets you that plus whatever random bullshit we decided to
put out in addition to And we know we were
doing a pretty good job of putting out extra content
and then we stopped again. So when you get back
to that, when we're not so damned busy, but hey,

(02:09:00):
you know, we just put out like three episodes in
a week, so give me a break.

Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
Anyway, we are a little depending on what's out there,
and it's been slow for a second.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Damn it now it's been busy, but we you know,
just had to really hit up that. But anyway, there's
always an excuse not to do extra Patreon content, and
we should do more of it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
Honestly, taken have ready to go that we've written down
and go for it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:23):
I mean, honestly, Oh my god, I didn't even tell
you you remember that character that we uh we did
a what was it? What was what was the name
of the show that we used to do on Patreon
where we looked up characters in the DC encyclopedia.

Speaker 3 (02:09:39):
Oh, something about Castaways.

Speaker 1 (02:09:43):
Comic Castaways. That was it? Uh, you remember that one
where I was like this, it's like pink and purple
piece of shit looks like uh has like the like
Venom's backstory pre Venom, but he looks like a pink
version of the Aliens of the Z you know, morphs
from Alien. I I've been cataloging my comics with the

(02:10:06):
celz app and I have that run. I didn't remember
that I had that. I was like, holy shit, it's
that guy, all right, him for making Yeah, it's gotta
be terrible. Well, I just like buying. I like buying

(02:10:29):
comics from thrift stores, and sometimes I read them, sometimes
I don't. But that's gotta be one that I like,
a run that I picked up and was just like,
I'll read that later. It's like I got into a
bad habit of like just buying random books at thrift
stores and then just like went in and like put
them in a box. So like I had not like
even really dug into those. So I'm sure that's that's

(02:10:52):
where those came from, because I know I didn't get
that when I was younger. That was that was a
recent acquisition. Anyway, Thank you, thank you for listening. Until
next time, keep some DC on your screen, and happy
New Year and Merry Christmas and all the holidays. Bye
bye

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