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Tim Stout (01:12):
Hey, live from the cardones studio and the
Georgetown, Kentucky area. Todayis August 16 2021. Tuesday, the
20th week in Ordinary Time, andthis is deacons, discussions and
drinks.

Musician (01:34):
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if the length is brown. It's thesame for my hands start shaking.
This

Tim Stout (02:07):
Good evening, everybody. And welcome to the
cardones studio for anotherexciting discussion with the
deacons. I'm Deacon Tim Stout.

Dallas Kelley (02:15):
Do you can Dallas Kelly,

Tim Stout (02:16):
I'm falling when I was cut you off there. We're,
we're, we're a little out ofpractice. Well, that was a long
break.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (02:25):
wait too long.

Dallas Kelley (02:28):
Three months? Not long enough.

Tim Stout (02:34):
May 21 2021 was the last show by the way. I think a
lot has changed in three months.
To many COVID down going. It wasgoing away. Now it's now it's
everything's Delta. And we'renot talking about the airlines.
We're talking about COVID back.

(02:59):
So what's been going on lastthree months, guys? Anybody got
a? anything going on?

Dallas Kelley (03:06):
that's been going around around here is their
father. New School.

Tim Stout (03:11):
We only say this first before y'all say if you're
listening to this on Tuesday,you're live most likely. If
you're listening to it on Fridayor anything the other day then
Tuesday, August 16. Then you'rerecorded but tomorrow's a big
day here on the car. Oh

Fr. Linh Nguyen (03:29):
yeah. Tomorrow we first day of school a new a
new buildings we have. Yes. Andeverybody's excited about it. So
even we have a new religionteacher. That's

Dallas Kelley (03:41):
way down. No school

Fr. Linh Nguyen (03:42):
doesn't matter.
Bring them up right away rightbefore I fall asleep.

Dallas Kelley (03:47):
That's true. Now that'll be tomorrow.

Tim Stout (03:51):
We have a new what's the official title? Middle
School religion, major story orsomething? Something's he's not
a teacher, the rest of yourclergy. Right. He's clergies
clergy. So what's the topic fortomorrow's class?

Dallas Kelley (04:07):
Well, there's three separate topics for
different classes. Wow. I wish Icould keep them all on the same
topic. It'd be a lot easier onme, but the books don't flow
that way.

Tim Stout (04:17):
No, they don't.
That's why they have differentgrades. Would you like to sit in
on my class tomorrow?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (04:23):
Oh, I love to.
I think we should do okay. Aprillive from live from his class.
Yeah,

Tim Stout (04:30):
we'll just put a camera in there. Steve, you free
tomorrow? We just go on air willbroadcast it out to everybody. I
think that would be great. Sowe're not gonna do that to
Dallas. We're gonna let you getyour feet. We're gonna let you
get your feet wet. So should beexciting. Are

Dallas Kelley (04:46):
you nervous? Bow I sub several times before?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (04:49):
Yeah. I think it's good nature heats is second
nature term. Kids love him. Hecould have a good way of
approaching it. I saw that manytimes.

Dallas Kelley (05:00):
Yeah, am I bringing the ruler back like the
old nines? I was like the nines.
I used to be in trouble.

Tim Stout (05:07):
Yeah. I think you'd be in trouble right away. That
we no doubt in my mind

Dallas Kelley (05:12):
and the things I was saying about this the other
day. The things I wasreminiscing when I was in class,
the things I've seen kidsgetting grabbed by the shirt
collar thrown up against thewall.

Tim Stout (05:26):
Yeah, I was a troublemaker. Y'all might find
it hard to believe. But I was atroublemaker in grade school. So
and my principal was a nine butshe she also had taught my dad
in grade school.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (05:38):
We got Oh,

Tim Stout (05:39):
yeah, she was old sister, Sylvester sister. So my
sister, my brother, a member,

Dallas Kelley (05:45):
he told me a story, I think. And if he's
listening, I'm not sure if Iremember right, but homework
assignment. He did his homework,but he did the wrong page. Slap
across the face. For doing thewrong homework.

Tim Stout (06:02):
I got a couple rulers broken over my back so I'm not
embarrassed to say it. made me abetter man down the road so
well.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (06:12):
Not anymore. I can't do that anymore.

Tim Stout (06:16):
Times have changed so new school tomorrow. It's pretty
nice place. I like it. It's

Fr. Linh Nguyen (06:21):
big, big.

Dallas Kelley (06:23):
You had to come over new Remy square feet.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (06:29):
Is it 7900?

Tim Stout (06:30):
I mean, it's big.
It's big. I mean, you got ahallway. You got one big
hallway. Yeah, I

Dallas Kelley (06:36):
heard a teacher saying the other day at
orientation. So first time we'regonna have to tell our kids
don't run

Tim Stout (06:41):
in the hallway.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (06:42):
It's a new there's a new room policy of
established for that. Yeah.

Tim Stout (06:46):
Just to talk about hallway hallway only

Dallas Kelley (06:48):
we have a chance to talk about the hallway. Don't
rub your hands on the walls.
That was another one we talkedabout. I

Fr. Linh Nguyen (06:57):
think everybody excited. Everybody excited.
We'll see what what is envelopfor me actually the ABF janco
downtown because the two trailerso called classroom rehab. It's
been removed. three fourths?
Yeah, three, four of it's gone.
Now one, one modular? Was 30years old. And the other 120

(07:21):
years old.

Tim Stout (07:23):
Yeah, I remember when they put those in. But I was
down. I had to swing by picksome equipment for tonight. But
it looks different. Looks very,very different. So folks coming
into the campus Sunday morning,Saturday night, Sunday morning.
It'll look different. Soprogress, right. All we put up
that progress and that propertyis for sale. Right for sale. And

(07:46):
I think I think given thosetrailers out there will probably
change that perspective a littlebit for potential buyers being
able to see you know what itlooks like without these big,
old dilapidated trailer sittingon site. So

Dallas Kelley (08:02):
do we have two big hoes sitting there?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (08:05):
Yeah, we have to figure it out how to either
feel that up or see whathappened. Oh, mark it off. So
some type of fencing around it.
I was

Tim Stout (08:14):
thinking I want on the one is removed all the way I
think that had asphaltunderneath it.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (08:18):
No, no. It's open spot. So

Dallas Kelley (08:22):
shall we actually put them there before we pave
the parking lot? Wow.

Tim Stout (08:27):
Think about that.
That's old school. So what elsehas been going on? We got a new
grand night. Yeah, go Knights ofColumbus meeting tomorrow night
for so many nights listeningtonight. Hope you're planning on
going to the meeting tomorrownight. But James Drummond new
grand night, shake things up alittle bit doing things a little
bit different. So should beexciting. I know. You've got

(08:49):
another meeting tomorrow night.
So I'm not sure if you're makingthe night's meeting or not. But
it's our first non business orseparating business and society.
So that should be exciting. I'mexcited about that.
Unfortunately, or fortunately,however, you will get it I get
to go to both of those meetings.
But it's all it's all good. Allprogress. So excited about that.

Dallas Kelley (09:17):
I guess. I'm sorry. Good. Now, what's the new
mass schedule? What was that?
Well,

Tim Stout (09:23):
three months ago we were

Dallas Kelley (09:25):
but but it's the current one is the current

Tim Stout (09:27):
one. But three months ago when we last met here. We
were still outside at card homeand now we are still

Dallas Kelley (09:33):
outside accardo in some different locations.

Tim Stout (09:37):
I have to say I have been to the Grotto mash yet. Can
y'all believe that? Wow.

Dallas Kelley (09:42):
He been there.
Yeah. See how he manages all hedoes the schedule. That's the
one you got to do to in one day.
Yeah.

Tim Stout (09:51):
Well, I was sick one weekend. You know, so give me a
little cut me a little slack onthat but wasn't wasn't
intentional. So how's thatgoing? Pretty good. Yeah. Still
a lot of people,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (10:03):
the most attended people. And then the
bishop is coming on the 29th todo mass outdoor. And then I
think both of you volunteer tobe with a bishop, right?

Dallas Kelley (10:17):
Yeah, you volunteered this.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (10:18):
I think it's a good idea bishops coming. So
he's coming to I think, youknow, our new principal want him
to be there to kind of dedicatethe new buildings and the mayor
gonna be there too, I think. Sothere's some activity going on
after that. So

Tim Stout (10:36):
I saw you blessed the buildings today, but that's
different from dedicating themcorrect.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (10:42):
He wouldn't have to be blachford dedicated
later, when he put a stamp onit. And the

Dallas Kelley (10:50):
way we're gonna have an altar band 29 No,
concrete altar.

Tim Stout (10:58):
Is the mayor's come?
Is he coming from mass? Orshould he just come in for the
dedication? So we're gonna havemass with the bishop and then
the dedication snipe part ofmass butts afterward? Yeah,
gotcha. Gotcha. So the colorscheme looks good. Yeah, the
whole thing's coming togetherpretty good. So I think if you
have been out here, you're gonnafind it really nice. A lot of
other stuff going on in ourparish to hit a lot of funerals

(11:19):
in the last three months.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (11:22):
Yes. is interesting enough, not just us.
Like for sale last week at theend of six funeral? You know, we
kind of climb up there withfour. So it kind of stacking up.
It's just I don't

Tim Stout (11:36):
know. But we've we've combined the best of my
knowledge. We haven't had anyCOVID related deaths in the
parish halfway.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (11:43):
Yes, we got two. Okay. Yeah.

Tim Stout (11:48):
What's the mistake?
Did you know that you're notgetting happy on that button
right there. So anything elsegoing off where we moved to real
current events versus justcatching people up on what's
been going on the last threemonths? Anything else going on
last three months? Oh, somebodywants to know what happened to

(12:08):
your handouts.

Dallas Kelley (12:10):
I see a pop up.
Nobody text.

Tim Stout (12:13):
Linda Kelly. Do you know Linda Kelly?

Dallas Kelley (12:17):
A little bit. I kind of grew up where

Tim Stout (12:20):
Linda wants to know what happened to

Dallas Kelley (12:23):
I had an MRI done today and I'll find out what's
wrong with it. I got kind ofsevere pain going through my
fingers in hand. I got a bigknot that's developed on top.

Tim Stout (12:34):
You self diagnose

Dallas Kelley (12:35):
correct and I had an MRI. I think it's a ganglion
cyst. That will have to beremoved because I can't live
with pain. Do my fingers rightnow.

Tim Stout (12:49):
Can you give the spelling out so people can
Google that? what's the what'swhat causes that?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (12:58):
Don't know? Too much fishing.

Tim Stout (13:00):
Oh. Is it good? Or has it affected your fishing?

Dallas Kelley (13:05):
Yes, it has because I haven't fished in a
couple weeks. tarda real? That'smy reeling hand these had to you
yeah. And I was fishing with ithurt and but it got worse. So I
had to stop.

Tim Stout (13:19):
You need to get one of those electric grills or you
just push a button and railsitself man. Have you seen those?

Dallas Kelley (13:23):
I have a Tam farmer I think might have one he
used to host the Kentucky field.
He's only got one on there yougo.

Tim Stout (13:33):
So you need to make accommodations for him father,
just in case you're wondering if

Dallas Kelley (13:38):
you might be with the bishop by yourself.

Tim Stout (13:43):
Alright, moving right along. Let's talk about current
events. What's been going on inthe church here lately?
Anything? Anybody want to bringup anything exciting going

Dallas Kelley (13:54):
on in the church?
While three things popped up,man you got a well might not be
considered church, but you gotan earthquake in Haiti. You got
the Afghan people running fortheir lives and Cardinal bark is
now on a ventilator. All threethings.

Tim Stout (14:14):
Yeah, that's it's pretty crazy. Because Cardinal
Burke was I guess maybe a kindof outspoken against the
vaccination. Right. So right.
And I think I saw Dr. Stantontoday posted something about
vaccination, saying he was asfrustrated as he's ever been,
because a lot of people he'sseen now refuse vaccination in
there that some of these folksare not. So not that I'm pushing

(14:37):
the vaccine one way or another.
I think you make your own choiceand you pick your choice and you
live with it. So the wholeAfghan thing though, is I have
mixed emotions about that.

Dallas Kelley (14:50):
People falling off on airplanes. Do you see
that?

Tim Stout (14:54):
You know, I went to New Are you on all this? I went
to New York this weekend. And Iwas probably in I don't know,
seven or eight taxis and Ubersor whatever. And, and I chatted
up when I'm with those guys inthe car for some, some time, had
a couple guys from Nepal toTajikistan, I think was one,

(15:15):
Pakistan had a couple guys. Andwe were just just talking about,
you know, COVID and Afghanistanand stuff. And you know, every
one of those guys that I didn'tcoerce this out of them, but
every one of them said, theytold me their story, how they
got here, but every one of themsaid, this is the greatest
country in the world. Andanybody that tells you anything

(15:36):
different, is wrong. And doesn'tmean we're perfect. We obviously
are an imperfect nation. But,you know, there's they left
everything, because they wantedsomething better. And that's
what this country offers issomething better. And I think
the Afghan people are showingthat

Dallas Kelley (15:54):
to tragedy, you know, they're willing to jump on
planes and

Fr. Linh Nguyen (15:58):
go, that's what you know, fall off. My family
was so interesting when therewas two images of the fall of
Saigon, April 30 1975. And theimage of, of the president tried
to get out of his powers. Andit's, it's identical.

Tim Stout (16:18):
This cat out of Afghanistan, though, he he left
early. I heard today that heleft with some cash, too. Did
you hear that story? I haven'theard that he had a plane that
loaded up some SUVs or full,full of cash is what their
latest rumor is. So where do yougo? How do you know? I don't
think I've heard where he went.
You know, they gotta find asound somewhere or some

(16:39):
something? I don't know. I mean,but there is a lot of
correlation between Vietnam andAfghanistan. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (16:45):
Shane kind of said, is similar.

Tim Stout (16:49):
Yeah, I mean, at least with the Chinese
government, you have agovernment. Here, we've got

Fr. Linh Nguyen (16:55):
Taliban,

Tim Stout (16:56):
the Taliban. Well, who knows what that's gonna look
like. So I did see where theywere imploring people to come
back to work. Did you see this?
The headline today? I guess, somany people have left, that
they're now worried that there'sgoing to be a collapse of
whatever services had been inplace. So, you know, they're,
they're telling people, hey,come back where we want you to
work. We don't

Dallas Kelley (17:17):
people with rifles have to eat too.

Tim Stout (17:21):
I mean, it just, I don't know, it's like I said,
I've got mixed emotions aboutit. Because when I think about,
you know, 20 years of war,that's the longest war that
we've ever had. Yeah. And, youknow, to think that what what's
really been accomplished in thesacrifice of so many people and
you know, it's, it's, it's atragedy, it just, there's no

(17:44):
other way to describe it. Weshould learn from the Russians,
right? Because the Russians hadtried it. I don't think they
tried it for 20 years. I thinkthey tried it for 10 or 15. But
it will be very interesting tosee how that all unfolds. And we
just got to pray for those. Prayfor those folks. Right. And then
Haiti, he gets anotherearthquake. Why is it that Haiti

(18:05):
is on the same island as theDominican Republic, and we never
hear anything bad about theDominican Republic that we hear
everything bad about Haiti.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (18:12):
corruption.

Tim Stout (18:14):
That's the only difference. I mean, crazy crazy.
Anybody got any other currentevents over there, Padre? No,
that's too much. Cardinal Burke.
Any last words on any thoughtson that?

Dallas Kelley (18:28):
Now I just write for I came, I've seen

Fr. Linh Nguyen (18:31):
any comment on the pope or on the modal popeil
on the Latin mass? Oh, that's arowdy bunch.

Tim Stout (18:41):
Well, the other thing walking around New York, Jake,
my son, I think I walked like,12. Swift kid. But I saw all
kinds of Mary and I masses. Imean, just all kinds of
different Catholic right.
churches that didn't see. Idon't think I saw any, any that
look like they were Latin mass,but there's a lot of rights out

(19:02):
there that happen on a regularbasis. And there will still
continue to be a lot of Latinmasses, right? They just can't
use the 1953 missiles that Ihave that right. So the right
date. Dallas, I think iscorrect.

Dallas Kelley (19:19):
But that don't sound right. But cc five, that's
all.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (19:22):
Yeah, no, it was all the approve.

Tim Stout (19:25):
They can use that one again,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (19:26):
that's outside of that nothing else can be
used. Right.

Tim Stout (19:29):
And I think the ones that'll some of the folks like
to use this the one that's olderthan that, right. And I think 59
that's Pius the 10th. So there'sstill gonna be Latin masses.
Matt, let me rephrase thatthere's still gonna be masses
that are set in the Latinlanguage. But it has to do with
the translation more than has todo with language. Am I correct

(19:49):
in saying that?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (19:49):
No, I think follow. I read the letter that
the Pope said to all the bishopwhile he sent this stuff out,
that there was a great concern.
In his understanding when PopeBenedict 16 open up for this
opportunity for the Latin inhoping for more communal

(20:11):
relationship, okay. And his turnnow, many individual more liken,
take the opportunity and, andrun with it to the point they
abandon the Vatican to, to thepoint is become very sectarian

(20:32):
in that perspective

Tim Stout (20:38):
kind of schismatic like,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (20:40):
a schematic and they actually, to the point
basically say vatika to Mads isnot correct. Okay. And so he
quite impressive about it,that's why he wants to make sure
all the bishop will be the onewho make a decision on that,
because prior to that, you know,priests can often mass land

(21:00):
anytime. And then you know,that's why he asked, beside know
how to celebrate mass and Latin,but make sure you know, the
pastoral care as well. Okay.
It's quite interesting just didnot know how far it went. But I
have a chance to talk to father,Mark Fisher, who, you know, at
St. Francis of Assisi with asacred cell with us that

(21:21):
actually do Latin mass eveyeducation or to being with him.
And it's amazing how many groupsall they're out there split
splinter groups is splinter allover the place. You know, I
didn't know that was part of the10. There's a group called pi
the fifth. And then the four piat the fifth is amazing, as a

(21:43):
lot of folks,

Tim Stout (21:48):
so when the Catholics like to talk about the splinter
groups in the Protestant, wejust like to think that there's
nothing going on in the CatholicChurch. There's plenty of
splinters going on at thecandidature.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (21:59):
Yes. And so, but the other day was
interesting. Harold sim sent mea picture. He was in Calvin's,
and it took a picture said tome, You were there? I was
saying, Oh,

Tim Stout (22:10):
I saw it. I was like, What is that?

Dallas Kelley (22:15):
What is that?

Tim Stout (22:19):
There was we parked on Water Street, I guess. And
there were these four men overon the platform. They kind of
look over the waterworks there.
And they were all in RomanCatholics and berettas Oh, yeah.
And one of one of them wasdressed like a bishop. And he
is. Can I say, What? What'sthat? That's it must be a

(22:40):
costume party. You know, itjust, it just was odd. Oh, yeah.
So but I guess you knew who theywere revisiting group or
something? Or

Fr. Linh Nguyen (22:51):
do yeah. Father mark is concerned. They make
them way here. They weren't oneof those fraudulent group two of
you will if we call themfraudulent, and they in Boston,
Kentucky,

Dallas Kelley (23:06):
you know what they go under? I mean, what
name? Um,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (23:10):
I lost my memory of that. But they they is
you can google and find thatBishop,

Tim Stout (23:17):
or for fraudulent or schismatic? Which one what's
what's the proper terminology? Imean, you know, it just, it just
didn't, it was really oddbecause they walked down. We
went to the Gavin's and satdown, were eaten and we were in
the bar area. And we werelooking out and they walk down
the street and they kind oflooked into Windows, and then

(23:38):
they walked on down the streetabout 10 or 15 minutes later,
they came back and open the doorand then close the door and they
left we never saw they nevercame in or anything. It was just
odd.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (23:46):
I thought they came in. No, they never came in.
Well,

Tim Stout (23:50):
let's they came back after we left.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (23:51):
I think you left he actually took a picture
they set all around the tablehaving beer. That's why here is
say yeah, even they're Catholic

Tim Stout (24:03):
that even right.
There had a beer that they'reCatholic for sure.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (24:09):
So it's quite interesting on that one. I

Tim Stout (24:11):
never thought that was gonna happen in Georgia.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (24:13):
Exactly. That's why he's afraid. Are they
impeding on it? No, you know,Bishop boys. Shut down the end.
Walton. Walton. Yeah. BecauseWalton is not never was a
designated Trinity and mass. Sothis priest decided to do it
himself. So that's what reasonhe wanted to do at faithful the
new Bishop coming. So he shuthim down.

Tim Stout (24:36):
So they're out of Boston, you say?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (24:38):
I think New Boston, Kentucky.

Tim Stout (24:42):
More Boston, Kentucky is is south southeast of Lebanon
junction, which is just outsideof Louisville. Really?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (24:48):
I mean, yeah, you're Yeah, that's it. That's
it. That's it. Interesting.

Tim Stout (24:53):
So they're coming East cross there. They're not
happy in the Archdiocese alone.
They want to see if they canspread their word in the data.
See selects done? Well, great.
Let's see what happens. So hey,who picked the topic of the day?

Dallas Kelley (25:09):
Somebody?

Tim Stout (25:11):
Did you pick the topic of the day to topic not
the person of Jesus, a person ofJesus Christ?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (25:16):
Well, this thing came up to me, I think
it's very important. I think forour program, we need to begin
talking about something muchmore in depth in the theology
that needs to be discussed. Thegreat concern for me is, many
people, you know, kind of fallaway from the church, they're
not calling the church and thenany issues. And the bishop

(25:39):
Baron, he talked about how weforgot how to tell the story of
salvation. Okay. And so, moreand more, I felt that the sense
of do we really know, the personof Jesus Christ, you know, do we
know we can, if we know, we canhave a relationship with him?

(26:01):
You know, if he treats just likea historical individual, then
you can flip the page or call ita day. But he's not. I that's
one piece, I think, for us, hasvery important, both
theologically, you know,systematically, we have to talk
about this, to reclaim theperson of Jesus Christ first,

(26:25):
before anything else,

Dallas Kelley (26:26):
right. That's funny, you said that I've
already had it in my mind withthe kids in this school year.
And I'll plan on bringing it uptomorrow to all three classes.
That's their job, as studentstheir grade, depends on them
regurgitating facts that I givethem. My job is getting them to

(26:51):
fall in love with the person ofJesus Christ.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (26:54):
He says, it's so essential, isn't it? And I've
been thinking a lot, you know,in dwelling, a lot of that, you
know, a few weeks back, I, Ikind of worked with Katherine
Coleman, get all our CCD teachertogether, and begin to talk
about, you know, relook at thewhole curriculum that we have.

(27:15):
And I asked him to, to send mewhat they teach the kid. And we
cover everything from Advent.
Advent, wreath, Christmas, land,oh, we cover everything. But,
but Jesus Christ.

Tim Stout (27:36):
It's like the framework, right? We've got so
many as Catholics, we have lotsof rules. Right, exactly. And
structure and ways to describethe faith, ways that make us
things that make us Catholic. Imean, you know, whenever you see
something on TV about a weddingin Hollywood, there's always a
little bit of element ofCatholic wedding in there,

(27:57):
right? I mean, because it justputs it in there. And I think
that's a lot of people. That's alot of what people take away
from our faith is the, thestructure. And that's a good
point. I think, you know, welose, we lose that. But we lose
the relationship, which is themost important thing.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (28:12):
Yeah, they preach about that. They say,
Listen, you know, when we buy ahouse, you know, everybody go
around, look at everything, howmany room? how big the room? Do
we have a tub or not? But onlyfew, you know, call

Dallas Kelley (28:25):
check the foundation,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (28:26):
the foundation, and this is the foundation of
the church. If we don't havethat, everything we talked about
when we collapse? You know,

Tim Stout (28:36):
I agree with that. I think, you know, for me, you
know, we all, all of us, I knowincludes skipping as to we all
have our different preachingstyles, right? And I think we
all we all kind of go back tothat, don't you think? Pretty
much mean, to me, I talk a lotabout relationship. That's one
of the things that that as Ilook back over my homies I see

(28:59):
that a lot. But I don't know ifwe can preach it enough.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (29:04):
That's right, right. But at least you know the
hope that we have to talk a lotmore so we begin to reclaim we
have a program here sometime wayback I called them reclaimed the
flame way back

Tim Stout (29:18):
there. I don't remember that. Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (29:21):
From from Benedictus. And that was
sponsored by by vindictus with ayouth called own property. I
remember that came out a fewtime. But the person Jesus
Christ we have you know, like,if we're talking about all this
great theology, Christology onChrist, then he had to awaken

(29:42):
something about this real personis still manifesting right now,
here with us. And what does thatmean? Right. You know, without
what the church you know, isJesus Christ was I mean There's
so many ways we can look at itto open people up to really

(30:05):
understand this reality. Okay? Iremember when I was in theology,
holiday July, you guys beendoing your time. And there was
this seminarian was wonderful.
He's so creative. You know, heuse a projection projector put
images, and he did so beautiful,eloquent. And when he finished

(30:26):
up, I said, Wow, it's reallynice presentation. But the
homiletic teachers present, lookat him with great love and say,
it's wonderful. But one thingyou missing. You mentioned,
Jesus, you don't mention JesusChrist is always stuck with me
with that is so essential. Soand you know, for me, you know,

(30:49):
how can we unpack from thebiblical point of view, from
historical point of view, fromsystematic point of view, you
know, anthropologists talk aboutChrist, what all that
significant.

Dallas Kelley (31:08):
But bear in that a lot of times we talked about
our relationship with Mary. Andsometimes we, you know,
Protestants think we gooverboard with that. If Mary's
not leading you to Jesus Christ,something's wrong, because Mary
should be leading you to herson. It's not just Mary. Right?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (31:30):
So that, you know, like, last Sunday was
preaching about and she is theArk of the Covenant. That's why
I love that litany of Mary, allher title is a significant of
what she is, you know, she isthe new ark of the covenant and
the covenant Ark, because shebear God.

Dallas Kelley (31:52):
And that's why she's always presented a lot of
times on a moon. Right, exactly.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (31:56):
You know,

Dallas Kelley (31:56):
the sun gives light to the moon,

Tim Stout (31:59):
do you think it's easier for us? And I don't mean
us personally, but us as a humanrace, do you think it's easier
for us to have that relationshipwith Mary because we've all had
a mother. And the relationshipwith Jesus is, is one that's,
that's different from that couldbe nothing. So it's interesting.

(32:20):
You said titles, one of thingsfor you walked in tonight, at
the Catechism here because youknow, we always have a
catechism. But I was justlooking at some of these, you
said titles of Mary, the titlesof Christ. And, you know, and
when I was reading throughthese, I'm not gonna read
through all of them, but justsome of them they, they just,
they all can develop a differentrelationship. Exactly. You know,

(32:42):
that. That's the thing that, youknow, some of these, I've heard
of, obviously, high priests,Jesus, that's one of these
titles, the King of kings, lightof the world lord and savior,
Prophet, Redeemer, revelation ofGod, revelation of the Father,
Risen Lord, shepherd of theflock, Son of God, Son of Man,
son of the Virgin, teacher, thetruth. I mean, just so many

(33:03):
titles. But I think one of thethings that, that we still have
trouble with is he's God, right.
And I think sometimes thatlimits us in our ability to
perceive what the relationshipwith that person should be.
Because it's, it's different.
Right? There's no other, there'sno other God. There's no other

(33:23):
relationship that's quite likethat.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (33:25):
So well, the danger for me is that can see
modern society when theyundermine the Christian faith,
one thing they would do, todomesticate Jesus put him in a
box, make him a nice guy, youknow, and to the point that we
don't see Jesus. He's God.
Right? Don't forget that.

Dallas Kelley (33:46):
I remember in class one time, our professor
asked us, when you hear God,what do you think? automatically
think of God the Father. in you,I believe Jesus is God and Holy
Spirit of God. But you think ofGod the Father, Jesus is over
here and Holy Spirit don't haveto get mentioned his God. much

(34:07):
at all. Right?

Tim Stout (34:09):
You know, I like it.
When somebody somebody talksabout that they say something
like, well, who do you pray topray to Jesus a lot just because
of my, my personal relationshipwith Him. And in, you know,
somebody said, Why pray to Godthe Father, and they're the
same, you know, or, you know,somebody says, Well come Holy

(34:32):
Spirit, you know, it's the samething. Right?

Dallas Kelley (34:36):
And I think that's as soon as you try to
separate them, you get introuble. But but

Tim Stout (34:40):
I think it's, it's, it's the limitation. You know, I
preached on the Eucharist acouple of weeks ago and that
mystery, you know, the Eucharistand in that mystery is a great
mystery, but even the Trinity,you know, if one of our
professors said if you if you'reable to describe it, then you're
wrong. So, it It does. I thinkit does make people search for

(35:05):
an answer that's probably notgoing to come to them. Right.
And, and that's why you have tohave faith. I mean, faith is
what will help you. I'm notgonna use the word understand.
But faith helps you get to apoint where you can accept God,
Jesus Christ and the Holy Spiritis God by faith is the only
thing that can do that

Fr. Linh Nguyen (35:25):
right. Now, for me, it's it's only fascinated
me, you know, all of us. All ourkids. They know movie
characters, you know, Star Wars,they know all by name they know.
You know, the the DC comic, theyknow they do

Tim Stout (35:46):
like a Marvel Comics.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (35:48):
And we have a lot of great story right? To
store Jesus Christ, my goodness.
And nobody know about it. isphenomenal. Yet you got to have
a seat that that so called thechosen.

Dallas Kelley (36:03):
I heard about it.
Everybody talks about it. It'sworth watching. On our retreat,
people were talking.

Tim Stout (36:07):
That's where I said, Where were we recently? They
were talking about night,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (36:10):
but I haven't watched it. Have you watched?
Yes, it's really it's worthdwelling to it? Well, well, I
think this is probably the firstproduction not come out of
Hollywood,

Tim Stout (36:26):
where the whole distribution of that's a little
bit odd. Yes, you, you don'thave to really pay for it. But
you you can't pay for it if youwant to help support the
distribution. But it from what Iunderstand from what the guys
were saying is that it reallygives you a perspective of
filling in the gaps of what lifewith Jesus was like. And that's

(36:49):
the part that makes itpersonable, right. That's the
part that says, hey, I get it.
And I've always been,

Dallas Kelley (36:56):
movies have always played a big part really
good made Jesus theme movies, iskind of, that's my thing out.
That's what helps me fall inlove. With Jesus even more.
Certain movies, I love certainmovies, everybody has their way
of falling in love with us. ButI've done it through movies

(37:19):
through the years, certainmovies that have affected me,
you know, Song of Bernadette andall those kind of movies, The
Passion of the Christ and

Fr. Linh Nguyen (37:27):
it you know, it, see that is the piece. So,
but the reason why I chose thistopic is so crucial. And to the
point, sometimes we take thingsfor granted. Even we have
relationship with Jesus in ourprayer, and our daily lives, we
go to Mass with me, I sell amass. But I always ask myself,

(37:49):
how, how much do I have thatpersonal relation with Jesus? As
I should? You know, we kind ofwashed through it. You know, if
we don't have that in us if ourparents, our mom and dad, Papa
young people here, don't havethat. That How can you convince
your kid? This is important?
Yeah. This is everything. Do you

Tim Stout (38:12):
think part of that though, is because I mean, you
hear that a lot when you talkto? And I'm not bashing
Protestants, but Protestants ingeneral, right, you know, my
Lord and Savior, my personalrelationship with Jesus. And I
think as Catholics, we we don'tgo there.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (38:29):
Exactly.

Tim Stout (38:31):
And I don't know if it's because of that. Or if it's
because of the rigidity and therules and everything else that
makes up the Catholic Church.
But at the end of the day,that's why we're, that's why
we're here, right? We're, if youdon't have that relationship
with Christ, it's all for naughtAnyway,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (38:51):
what the way we relate to Christ is
sacramentally. Right? From thesacrament, that we have that but
for me being a priest only fouryears, there is a missing that
the gap that missing link youtalked about in this movie Are
you recognized chosen, there isa gap that is missing. And so

(39:11):
too many of us we can enjoy goto Mass, because it's wonderful.
I you you sit in mass, you knowexactly the flow, just like for
me, I can speak in the samelanguage when I learned how to
play baseball. Once youunderstand the game and got into
the game, game is fun. It'swonderful. I can't understand

(39:33):
why called the past time. Andso, but when you in the game so
long, you forgot about the ethosor the enthusiasm of the game.
You know, it's kind of tragic insome way. I think. I think this
is what St. john paul to untilnow to re evangelize. I think

(39:54):
this piece is important.

Tim Stout (39:56):
I think you almost just described folks coming out
of our CIA are on fire versus acradle Catholic just going
almost going through the motionsin a way. I mean, we see that a
lot, though. I mean, that's, Idon't know, it's funny that you
use baseball's analogy, becausewhen I went to a baseball game
when I was in New York City, andI was with my son, and I was,
you know, he's not a bigbaseball fan, I kind of think I

(40:18):
have been explaining the, therules. There's a lot of rules to
baseball,

Dallas Kelley (40:24):
right? Well, you're taking baseball, I'm
thinking the Catholic Church isalmost like tennis, try
explaining how to keep score intennis. I mean, you only get
that if you know how to keepscore in tennis. Right? I don't
know, who's the guy that thoughtthat.

Tim Stout (40:43):
I'm sure that somebody will look that up for
us and let us know where theycame from. It's true, though,
right? I mean, for me, I'vealways I mean, I'm an engineer,
I like to think of things asones and zeros. black and white.
Follow the rules, right? Well,we were told that in class,
follow the rules.

Dallas Kelley (40:59):
Another word in there, but we'll leave that word
Oh,

Tim Stout (41:02):
it was it was a priest that said it's okay. But
follow the rules. And nowthat's, that's where I like to
operate. I like to operateinside of, I'd say, a box. But
inside a box that has, you know,boundaries. You know, certain
people like boundaries, a lot ofpeople don't like boundaries. I

(41:23):
think our faith is so big and sobroad. And these titles of Jesus
Christ are so big and so broad,you have to find that way to
relationship. You have topersonally, you know, what maybe
works for you is not gonna workfor me. But don't you think that
that's what is so good aboutthis faith that allows us to do

(41:43):
that? I mean, I canrelationship, maybe Jesus being
the Good Shepherd, you may betaken in because of Redeemer?
Just those types of things. Doyou think that's right, which we
should have people be drawn tothat, to encourage that outside

(42:05):
of the rules of the church?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (42:07):
Yes, I think it's important, it's, it's we
have to know that he is aredeemer. Right, we have to know
is a good chapter. We don't saysay enough about it. And then
you know, for us, what areunique about the Catholic
tradition is that we we have somany ology you know, the what

(42:28):
you mentioned, systematic says,systematic theology is so
important, there is a clearorganize what the methodology
should be, right? It cannot berampage over the place of
Christology is so important. Andso all of that, it has to be,

(42:52):
somehow it been just reservedfor those like us who study high
theology to know this stuff. Butwhen we break down to ordinary
people, we don't break that turnthat into something more worth
listening. Exciting, right?

Tim Stout (43:08):
Yeah. And the church is 2000 years old, right? We've
had a lot of ups and downs,we've had a lot of schismatic
people, we've had a lot ofheresy. And that's shaped a lot
of that as well, right? Because,you know, some people might say,
well, how can Jesus be true Godand true, man? You know, we've

(43:28):
been through that exact, right.
we've, we've, we've hadarianism, we've had all these
other heresies that that wentdown that road. And a lot of
people don't know about it.
We've obviously learned about itjust because of our, our
education and theology. But, youknow, maybe that's, that's what
makes it so I don't know, forme, that's why I was drawn to

(43:50):
the Catholic faith. That's whyI've embraced it. Because, you
know, when when you study inyou, you realize everything
that's happened up to thispoint, you're almost like, well,
what else could happen? Youknow, because we've kind of been
through I won't say we've beenthrough everything, but we've
been through a lot. Good Pope'sand bad Pope's Right. I mean,

(44:12):
you know, you got a lot ofpeople right now that don't
speak favorably about PopeFrancis. And we've got Pac, we
got people that don't speakfavorable about us,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (44:21):
right. That's not normal.

Tim Stout (44:25):
But, I mean, the church will survive that. And,
and, you know, I tell one of thethings I tell people a lot is
whether they're complainingabout Dallas or, or, or the
Pope. Don't let that affect yourfaith, right. I mean, we're as
clergy we're just people, right?
We're just normal man. normal,normal people.

Dallas Kelley (44:47):
And we're Jesus, not us.

Tim Stout (44:49):
We're gonna mess up.
We're gonna make mistakes, butdon't let that affect your
faith. And in order for it notto affect your faith. You have
to have a prayer life. We are incontact. With Jesus, you're
you're in conversation withJesus, not just in conversation
with fatherland or Deacon tamborDeacon Dallas, or Pope Francis,
right? You know, you've had tohave that personal relationship

(45:10):
and, and I think is Catholic.
That's, that's foreign. So,

Dallas Kelley (45:14):
you know, we're talking about the person of
Jesus, it can start with themass I'm sitting here running
the mass through my mind when hewas speaking to him. ended the
script as we use through thewhole mass of people don't tend
to listen to the words and he,you like I use the word
regurgitate while ago, you justsay those response and you say

(45:36):
the collect the collect openingprayer like wow, like whatever
like the penitential act, whenwe do the Curia and stuff, you
know, you sit on the right handof the Father, look, you know,
we're describing what he'sdoing. You feed us your body and
blood, you came to redeem as inworse, you're describing

(46:00):
everything about Jesus. But itcontinues on through the
Eucharistic prayer andeverything. Listen to the words
of the master beautiful. Yeah,the best

Tim Stout (46:09):
purchase I've ever made at the same outer
bookstore, which I've made a lotwas up a book on homiletics. And
it's, you know, four books, aABC, and then special. But what
it does that helps me when Iwork on my families is it takes
a call it it takes the readings,it takes the Eucharistic

(46:30):
prayers, and it ties them alltogether. Because there is, this
just isn't random stuff thatjust happens in this mass. There
really is this connection fromthe beginning, from as soon as
you say in the name of theFather, Son, Holy Spirit, all
the way through to the prayerafter the Eucharist, that ties
it all together for what's goingon. For that mass that day with

(46:53):
those set of readings. And Idon't know if I ever really
realized that until I got thatbook and started using it to
help me prepare for my holidays.
It you have to listen to theprayers. And because, you know,
I'm sitting there not preparingto my homily. And I'm thinking,
Well, yeah, I see thatconnection. I'm preparing. But
how many how many peopleactually listened to the colic

(47:16):
that thing? that that that setsthem into a frame of mind for
what's about to happen?
percentage you think that is?
Zero?

Dallas Kelley (47:29):
I want to know why it's conflict. It's spelled
c o l l e c. d wasn't collect.
Why does it collect? Becausewe're collecting people
together? What is colic mean?

Musician (47:43):
It's a lot of work.
Come on down colic.

Tim Stout (47:50):
You know, it's it's funny, because last two weeks
ago, when I prayed they use thepercentage that 69% of the
people that are Catholics thatidentifies a tenant, that it did
have as Catholics don't believein a real presence. And you said
to myself on the youth said theythought it might or might have

(48:12):
been higher than I was thinkingthat's

Fr. Linh Nguyen (48:14):
pretty high, like 75%, I believe. Yeah.

Tim Stout (48:16):
And then I had another statistic, and I can't
remember what it is now. I thinkit was 29% of folks. Oh, hello,
hello. I forgot what it was.
Now. I was thinking it had to dowith they, I don't know. I lost
it. I had to come back to that.

(48:37):
But anyway, 69% of people. Theycan't really be. I don't know,
it just that baffles me. Becauseif you

Dallas Kelley (48:47):
want a relationship with Jesus, it's
got to start. That's prettyamazing.

Tim Stout (48:51):
That's the first thing that has to happen. I
mean, you can still pray andtalk to God, laying in your bed,
driving in your car, at yourwork, when things are going
really bad. Whatever triggersyou to pray, but if you're a
Catholic, and you've gonethrough, you know whether you're
cradle Catholic, and you've gonethrough your whole life, got any

(49:12):
communion line and say amen. Orwhether you're a convert, and
you've been through everythingand got up there and professed
everything that you believeeverything the Catholic Church
teaches, but you get to you getto the altar. Watch what's
happening there, and you don'tbelieve that? I just, I don't
know how you can have arelationship with Jesus. If not,

(49:32):
because otherwise, as I said inthe homily, you're just not
dollar.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (49:36):
Right. Right.
You know, like the video thatyou filmed the other day with
Christ in my home. Right. Thelaw prayer, right. is the law of
worship believe how do you sayit again, V. Platt Lex, Lex lax
v. v. Vivendi right like oh,Randy retrograde ending and so
like I say, once we we cease tocatechize you know, when we

(50:01):
cease to understand theimportant blogger, some time ago
I mentioned you got that we areright now or loss in three
generation of the Catholictradition, three generation You
know, my balling for me is thatlike because I'm not picking on
how catechist they, they don'thave the fullness right to in

(50:24):
the formation to teach and begintraining in depth. I remember so
funny when I when I was inPikeville, coaching soccer,
right, I quote a few some of theparents decided to help in
coaching and their theirunderstanding of soccer,

(50:45):
probably third grade. Guess howwell two children play? Now very
well, not very well. Okay. Andso you're asked to go all the
way to college, all the peoplethat teach in any sports very
quick and understand inside andoutside of them. So you're
looking at a sampling with afake sampling, right. And so

(51:07):
once we we, we expect our kidsyou know, I hope the work you do
a show to promote Dallas lewittvery proud to take on this task
is so essential. Because youhave a wealth of knowledge,
you've been there, and now youbegin to witness in the
teaching. It will stick I dobelieve that.

Dallas Kelley (51:30):
Absolutely. Good.
You have to let me have a ruler.

Tim Stout (51:34):
Well, I mean, think about it, as you were saying
that one of the things that justkind of popped into my head is
you know, is it easier forsomebody that's just a part time
catechist teaching CCD not evena paid position, or even a
religion teacher in in Catholicschools, that's teaching
religion. That is their primary,but you know, they're teaching

(51:55):
science or social studies orwhatever, and they get legend
thrown in there, just as the mixis probably easier for them to
explain the seasons of thechurch, right? adament ordinary,
it's very easy to explain versustalking about the person of
Jesus Christ or talking abouttrying to teach fourth graders
or Greek or teaching sixth,seventh and eighth teaching them

(52:19):
about the Trinity. I mean,because it's hard, it's hard
stuff.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (52:22):
But it again is hard because we look at only
through the lens of education.
But if we looked at the lens offaith, it is same thing you
know, I will not record you theywhat I'm saying here is that
when I met with my kanak is thatfirst thing I asked from them
and I say you can teach it muchin one you have to ask Do you
believe what you teach? Right?

(52:45):
Do you have a relationship andwhat you didn't we

Dallas Kelley (52:47):
take a vow or something like that? I think we
may have

Tim Stout (52:50):
read with believe what you read. Teach what you
read. I got it wrong. I know Goahead. I forgive me look it up
now. Y'all keep telling me thisis where you all

Fr. Linh Nguyen (53:05):
say promise I

Dallas Kelley (53:06):
don't think about well promise you

Fr. Linh Nguyen (53:09):
that's a deacon promise.

Dallas Kelley (53:10):
He was a deacon what they still are

Tim Stout (53:15):
always he gave it up for

Fr. Linh Nguyen (53:16):
you to ordain as Deacon all right I gave it
up.

Tim Stout (53:22):
Oh, I'm not finding it. So anyway, well, that'll be
our some homework we'll bringthat back. It's on my desk. I

Dallas Kelley (53:29):
mean, it's like teach what you believe believe
what you teach your

Fr. Linh Nguyen (53:31):
practice. What do you believe? All three right
there.

Tim Stout (53:40):
Steve, do you detect a notice out there? Nobody found
it believe what you read. Teach.
What do you believe? Practicelike what you teach, to teach.
Preach? Yeah.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (53:55):
Well, you see that the stuff we talked right
now guys, you can see that allthe sudden I sends the person of
Jesus Christ, it literally it nolonger historical. is here.
That's why we say he issacramentally in every part of
our living right? And if wedon't identify that in
everything we do, you know,because the concern for me is

(54:20):
mind boggling for me it botheredme the past few weeks not
because we have bad charactersin any way. Because the
accountability and you as apastor are really concerned
about that. You know, we we allknow we love about decoration
right? We love the the Adventcolor the wreath and the
Christmas the light yeah you thenight Columbus what they say cut

(54:46):
the cord the campaign bringChrist right to Christmas.

Tim Stout (54:52):
Bring Christ in Christmas

Fr. Linh Nguyen (54:56):
and those no slouch right you know Gregor,
and so those are very essentialfor me. So, you know, for me how
we work, and how to maintain,continue to exploit, if you
will, this person of JesusChrist into real reality in

(55:17):
every part we talk about, youknow, how he bring about is so
crucial.

Tim Stout (55:22):
So we got to keep the same topic for two weeks and
maybe talk about divinity andhumanity.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (55:28):
We can, you know, let's talk about the
historian a little bit how allthat development, why his
divinity is important. You know,

Tim Stout (55:38):
I mean, that's, we've all preached about it. I mean,
that's the funny thing. Youknow, I was, as I was getting
ready for tonight, I was like,man, am I ready to talk about
this tonight, but then, as we'retalking, it's like, everything
that, that we've taught, thatwe've been educated about, or
everything that we've preachedabout, or, and not just me, I

(56:00):
mean, we're all zombies are allour discussions, you know, the
divinity, the humanity. They'reequally important. just hard to
grasp for some folks. But youknow, we talk about it all the
time, we talk about a lot, andmaybe we need to talk about it
here. Maybe it's a little biteasier to talk about here than
in

Fr. Linh Nguyen (56:16):
the whole, the whole world of redemption. You
know, how, how divinity andhumanity come together? And
what's that mean? You know, Ialways ask the why on that.

Dallas Kelley (56:31):
I come at the hypostatic Union or something
different than that.

Tim Stout (56:36):
Wow, that was a big word. Oh,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (56:37):
that big word.

Tim Stout (56:39):
This is a big word for you

Dallas Kelley (56:41):
now read some of this. Looking in before we came
in, and I'm reading the, I mean,the deepness and richness of
some of the teachings and I'mlike, wow, I'm glad somebody
smarter than me sat down and,

Fr. Linh Nguyen (56:54):
of course, the catholic church we are very
intelligent church. I

Dallas Kelley (57:00):
and we'd like to thank you know, in this century,
we're we're smarter than thoseguys back then. But a lot of
this stuff came from the secondand third century man those guys
were brilliant

Fr. Linh Nguyen (57:10):
development theology that we never undermine
what a given to us we developmore from it, because we all
eschatological more toward thetruth right we grow into the
truth and so as you knowsometime the the divine to
nature we forgot you know, a lotof people die over that

Tim Stout (57:36):
there was a lot of a lot of death associated with a
lot of the teachings of thechurch a lot of heartache a lot
of good Pope's and bad Pope'sthat, that a lot of good clergy,
bad clergy. You know, I, youknow, if you're not interested
in that, it's hard to hard toconvey all that. When I are on a

(57:57):
Sunday, what's gone into theteachings of the church,

Dallas Kelley (58:01):
I mean, before some of this stuff was divided,
or decided and defined incouncils, you had half the
bishops teaching one thing theother bishops teaching just the
opposite, you know, finally,they had to, we got to figure
this stuff out.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (58:17):
Exactly.

Tim Stout (58:18):
That's why when you know, when you get today for me,
which is so great about thischurch is that when people get
upset about what a particularBishop did or what a pope did,
or whatever, I don't get worriedabout it.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (58:32):
Exactly.

Tim Stout (58:34):
It'll get it'll, it'll sort its way out. Because

Fr. Linh Nguyen (58:37):
the church always be a great referee, she
only worked things out as itshould.

Tim Stout (58:42):
Because we have a promise about the church, right?
gates of hell will neverprevail. I can't stir. And
that's, you know, don't let itaffect your faith. Exactly. When
things when things feel likethey're crumbling around you and
you something that you hearabout clergy or a church or a

(59:02):
parish or whatever, don't let itnegatively impact your faith.
That's when you rely on yourpersonal relationship with Jesus
to get you through those things.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (59:12):
So for me, I think the the I don't want to
steer you know, of the deaconprogram, we talk in here, I only
want to arrive to work in thatlevel conversation. I think it
will be fun. It challenged usand hopefully challenge our
listeners and our church to kindof come to turn level of
awareness. No longer What is itfor me is why is it I think that

(59:37):
that is very important. So Ihope that that that our
listeners and and we also beginto unpack some of this or
reclaim right reclaim theexcitement of what we have, you
know, over the weekend, the flagclaim,

Tim Stout (59:54):
reclaim the thing.
All right. are ours up Should weshould we keep up a saint of the
day? saint john of the cross?
Let's, let's do that and thenwe'll come back and close the
show out if that's all rightwith you guys.

Unknown (01:00:13):
Ready, Steve? This is Franciscan media saint of the
day for August 17. Today wecelebrate St. JOHN of the cross
and encounter with a shabby oldwoman, others dismissed as
insane, prompted Joan todedicate her life to the poor.
For someone with a reputation asa business woman intent on

(01:00:34):
monetary success. This was asignificant conversion. Born in
France in 1666 giome worked inthe family business, a small
shop near a religious shrinefrom an early age. After her
parents death she took over theshop and quickly became known
for her greediness andinsensitivity. That was until

(01:00:54):
she was touched by the strangewoman who claimed she was on
intimate terms with the deity.
Joan, who had always beendevout, even scrupulous, became
a new person, she began caringfor needy children. Then the
poor, elderly and sick came toher. Over time she closed the
family business so she coulddevote herself fully to good
works and pennants. She went onto found a religious

(01:01:16):
congregation that came to beknown as the congregation of St.
Anne of Providence. By the timeof her death in 1736. Joan had
founded 12 religious houses,plus numerous hospices and
schools. pope john paul thesecond canonized her in 1982.
There's more about the saintsalong with inspiration and
Catholic resources at ourwebsite, Saint of the day.org.

(01:01:37):
From Franciscan media, this hasbeen st of the day.

Tim Stout (01:01:45):
saint john of the cross st of the day. john paul
second, another john paul,Second thing, whatever he's
saying he can nest

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:01:54):
over 300 some, right. I don't know. He said,
most cannon I

Dallas Kelley (01:01:58):
wouldn't want to.

Tim Stout (01:02:00):
There's still hope you're teaching religion to
middle schoolers. Now's yourchance. Now's your chance.
Dallas. Hey, so we're gonna tryto be back here in a couple
weeks. That would be August 31.
But got that right. No, today'sthe 16th Yes. 17th. Today's the
17th. I get that wrong. I saidtoday's August 16. On the

(01:02:25):
opening, we only get Today's the17th. And

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:02:30):
then he got an A 482 cents

Tim Stout (01:02:33):
or 192 sites. We'll be back on August 31 7pm.
Hopefully, that's our new time,Tuesday. 7pm. If you listen to
us or watching on Friday, that'sgreat. If you listen to us on
YouTube, or your podcast,software of choice, hit LIKE
subscribe, keep us in your inyour feed. We're going down the

(01:02:56):
theology road person JesusChrist, I'm excited. So and if
you do have other topics orquestions, please let us know. I
don't know if we got any topicquestions besides your hand
question today. So probably notnew times, probably throwing
some people off but just tosupport our ministry of SS f
j.org ss f j.org our church ourparish our school can you use

(01:03:21):
any support that you can give?
let your friends know all aboutit. So I guess we'll see
everybody in a couple weeks.
Father, can you give us ablessing?

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:03:31):
Excellent. No Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen.
Gracious God, we give you thanksfor the give a blessing that
allow us to invoke the name ofyour son Jesus Christ, the name
of salvation, the name of love,the friend of friendship and
relationship that drawn us intothe circle of your eternal life.
We are to guide us continue toblast our listeners out self

(01:03:54):
this evening that we continue toopen ourselves to the mystery of
salvation and become thepersonal relationship you with
your son Jesus Christ. I blessyou know the Father and of the
Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Amen.

Tim Stout (01:04:06):
Amen. Amen. Anything else? Dallas. Good luck
tomorrow.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:04:11):
Good luck tomorrow. Dallas. You better
have a good rest tonight.

Dallas Kelley (01:04:13):
I need some sleep.

Tim Stout (01:04:14):
You need to go home.
Get some sleep. It's time go towork, man. You gotta start
chopping wood.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:04:20):
No baby slapping no children slapping no
rulers.

Tim Stout (01:04:25):
Darn. Stay out of trouble. Dallas.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:04:28):
Good night, everybody.

Tim Stout (01:04:30):
Till next time. I'm Deacon Tim.

Dallas Kelley (01:04:31):
I'm drinking Dallas bottling when

Tim Stout (01:04:33):
Good night everybody.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (01:04:35):
God bless.

Musician (01:04:41):
I don't know or saying the thing that I haven't
noticed. When I see you my heartstarts racing, but I don't know
if the length is Jason brownIt's the same thing my hands

(01:05:01):
start shaking
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