Episode 38 - Vaccine Mandates, The Church, and Jesus Christ - Deacons Discussions Drinks

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Unknown (00:18):
Did you ever stop and think? Why spend too much time
getting ready?
I don't know or saying the thingthat I haven't noticed.
Then when I see you my heartstarts racing, but I don't know

(00:40):
if it's the same thing. My handsstart shaking.

Tim Stout (00:58):
From the cardones studio in Georgetown, Kentucky
today is the feast of theexaltation of the cross,
Tuesday, September 14 2021. Andthis is deacons, discussions,
drinks.

Unknown (01:17):
I don't know what I could say, to to hang around. So
much that I still keep it tomyself, if you'd only say when

(01:37):
my heart starts racing, and

Dallas Kelley (01:43):
playing. Let's go.

Tim Stout (01:46):
Let's go. Good evening, everybody. Welcome to
the cardones studio inGeorgetown, Kentucky. For
another exciting as alwaysdiscussion. I'm Deacon Tim
Stout.

I'm Deacon Dallas Kelly.

Fr. Linh Nguyen (02:00):
I'm falling when Hey,

Tim Stout (02:02):
it's been a minute. A minute. It's been a minute.
That's what all the cool kidssay. You know, have you heard
any saying? No, I have not beena minute.

I never was one of the cool kids. I was.

Tim Stout (02:14):
It's been a minute and what that means apparently
is translation. It's been abouta month. So it's been a while.
That's another that's how theysay yeah, well answer the last
time you had to cancel. How'sthe hand? Can you get a close up
of that?

They're away. I don't know. Yeah,

Tim Stout (02:33):
he's looking at he's got you in there.

Ouch. Too much blessing. That's what happened.
What happened?

I had a ganglion cyst. And under that I had
several bone spurs. One of themhad totally severed my index
finger tendon in half. And I hadto have them granted away. Did
they fix the tendon? I wasasleep. I don't know. I don't

(03:01):
think they fixed the tendonbecause they said something
about there's two tendons inyour index finger or Samsung
themselves and I was groggy Idon't remember and you only need
one and you only need one butdon't break it.

The reason from that beautiful basketball shot
you want us to have that so

Tim Stout (03:19):
I think I do just one second Let me see if I

have both tendons attached to that finger but

after that shot, twist

Unknown (03:29):
they drill by 183 82 Dallas Kelly right hand corner
back outside of my club not agood deal on a baseline of a
game that I've had to signbefore got gonna flip it over
his shoulder I'm gonna

see you fail down.

Tim Stout (03:47):
Dallas Kelly.

That was my one moment in the spotlight. I love
that.

Tim Stout (03:53):
I do. Everybody should have a moment like that
in their lives. You know?

How remember it like it was yesterday. Still
remember?

It's a minute.

It's up to you.
When I when I found that tapehere about a year ago and
applied it. I remember that timedoes over your memory. I thought
it was just in regulation thatshot but it was actually in
overtime. We went in overtime. Idon't remember that part.

Tim Stout (04:22):
Well, it's been a minute.

42

Tim Stout (04:26):
years. Let's see how long me ties will say that
tonight. That'll be somethingcrazy

was 42 years from since that shot.

Tim Stout (04:35):
What's been going on in the world? Anybody know?

What knowledge is? celebrate 60th birthday,
right?

That was yesterday. So it's been a
minute. It's been six at thecane. It was all a mental thing.

Tim Stout (04:49):
Dallas Kelly 60 years old zero. So how many years ago
did you hit that winning basket42 years ago. Already two years
was last time shot a basketball.

41 years now it was I played ball in a league
and Toyota up to I was 40. Thenmy son was born. So he played a
Toyota and quite a bit in allthose leagues and never got
hurt. Knees are no, play dad's40 and those legs and then son

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was born, stayed home to helpout and never saw a bargain.

Tim Stout (05:26):
Gave up basketball and fishing on the same year
probably didn't you

know, I didn't give a fish in that same year.
It gave a fish and once I gave afish and once our classes
started, gave a fish now didn'thave time for

Tim Stout (05:39):
that's been eight years ago.

And now I've recently taken it back up once I
retired from Toyota.

Did you pick up watching golf? No, he's the only
guy loves golf, never.

Tim Stout (05:53):
And doesn't play, never play. never pick up a club
and I love golf. Buy golf clubsare right inside my garage door.
And I look at them all the time.
I think about it.

Anybody watched the US Open this past week?
tennis, tennis. I became the onegirl on I don't know her name
from England. I become quite atennis first play first
qualifier. Which means she hadto play her way into the
tournament to win a major tennistournament. Ever. 18 years old

(06:26):
Ellie first qualifier to to playthe 19 year old and she didn't
she played a teenager. So yeah,from Canada. I think somebody
from Canada and somebody fromEngland.

Tim Stout (06:36):
A lot. A lot of good tennis. You know, I was up
there. I was up in New Yorkright there about there to see a
Mets game. That's Dodgers game.
And I told my son I said, Jake,man, you need to get some
tickets to this US Open. I thinkit's gonna be good thing to come
up and live in New York as we'llgo do it. And it was a great
tournament. A lot. A lot ofexciting stuff.

Djokovic was going to try to be the first
player since Ron labor to winall four majors in one year. And
he lost in the finals. straightsets, right.

Tim Stout (07:05):
I can't remember. I think I think he lost in
straight sets. Yeah. He playedthe Russian windev menda. Web.
Steve, a big tennis fan overthere. No, no, we're we're
baseball, right? We got bigbaseball game. We're going to
Friday night, Friday night,three of us are going you're
going to Texas re enrolling inTexas to preach. We're going to

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watch the hopefully the worldthe defending world champions.
And the soon to be to Tao WorldChampion, Los Angeles Dodgers
against the Cincinnati Reds. Sothat should be exciting.

So soon to be two time I've only won one words
here.

Tim Stout (07:43):
should say back to back. Let

me rephrase that back to back. It was like the
Dodgers had to win. Oh, yeah.
They've got lots of WorldChampionships. And we have a sub
race this weekend, since you'regoing out of town.

Yeah, we have a sub preach coming. He worked
with an organization calledcross Catholic. What's that
mean? across the world, theythey are focused on fundraising.
Not directly from the parents,but individual contribution to
help third world country isunder a lot of support from many

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bishops and priests. So he is apriest that actually assign
volunteer to work for thatorganization. So they come to
preach. So I'm going down tosummersville.

Tim Stout (08:30):
You're not going to see Mom, Dad, you're going for
mission appeal, mission appeal,

but swing by see mom and dad as well. So stop
by mom and dad first and then gopush further down south. West, I
guess, to Austin, west ofAustin.

Tim Stout (08:47):
I mean, you're in the neighborhood. It's probably
another two or three, fourhours, right? It's

about four hours.

Tim Stout (08:53):
That's like I remember the first time I went
to out west and I was in Seattleand my boss at the time he was
from England. He said whileyou're out there, could you go
down to Los Angeles and see somecustomers down there? And I'm
like Seattle to Los Angeles is along way so Texas is pretty big.
So you got a lot of traveling todo lots of your driving driving

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drive is sufficient appeal whatthe church paid for you to plan
for that.

Now, like pay per mile a play but you go down
there then you still have tohave a vehicle the rent your car
to then you rent a car and it'sit build up pretty quick. Yeah.
You know, one trip I didrecently ran a car. I think it
was allowed almost no, no, itwas not a trip. I ran a car

(09:42):
because somebody scraped mytruck, remember?

Tim Stout (09:44):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
rental cars or not. I fix it forcars are crazy.

Right. And it was, I think $200 for a compact
vehicle. $200 a day.

Tim Stout (09:56):
Yeah. It's crazy.
They were $500 a day in Hawaii.
Was that Yeah, and it's allbecause of

COVID. Right?
People started renting you hallsbecause they were cheaper. I use
them for the car your car.

Tim Stout (10:07):
Yeah. That's what's going on his world, right? Yeah.
craziness. Have you been to thegrocery store lately? I haven't
No. Have you been? Oh, Steve,you've been to grocery store
lately, the shelves are like,empty. Pretty much what
happened? There's not enoughtruck,

there's no on the way. There's milk and bread and
milk and bread.

Tim Stout (10:30):
I mean, you can't, can't find truck drivers can't
get goods delivered, can't getstuff out of the ports to get
you know, to get from the stuffthat comes in from China and a
container goes into a port, youcan't get him out of the ports
to get the containers empty toget him back to China to fill
the stuff back up. It's justit's a vicious circle. And I
think it's gonna get worsebefore it gets better. But did

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the root cause is COVID. So herewe are. Who would have thought
in August of 2020, that we wouldbe here in August 2021. And I've
just taken let's just take arandom poll. There's four of us
in here who thinks 2021 is worsethan 2020. As for for for like

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2021 said, Hold my beer.

But you know, the we supposedly number wise, are
the worst ever. Right? Yes.
Positivity right now everythingworst ever. And yet the stadiums
are full. With no mask? Did theysay we can't take that money
below two years in a row? And we

Tim Stout (11:44):
I think that's what it is. Yeah. Do you think that's
why? I mean, what else could itbe? Really? It has to be money.

You know, it's always the power of the dollar.
necessary. So

Tim Stout (11:57):
I mean, it it obviously affects church. Right.
We're still out that. That'sstill going pretty good. Right.
Couple 100. There. 150 to 200.

No, last weekend is I think 220
something. Did math.

Tim Stout (12:10):
We did mass counts last weekend, right? Yes. A
couple of weeks. I mean, ourattendance is is off. Overall,
don't you think a

little bit this week? The Denon count, I would
say about over 500 attendance.
Yeah, but at our peak, we werewell over that one we Yeah, on
our peak probably 730.

Tim Stout (12:31):
It's a pretty big Well,

if we add the the live stream this you know,
Steve was mentioned that waswell over 300 hit for us at Mass
last week. So

Tim Stout (12:43):
yeah, we that's been good for us. And I think we got
it down pretty good, though,Steve. I mean, Steve's trying to
win an Emmy. Just so y'all know.
Every week he's trying to win anEmmy. And he does have an Emmy.
You've won an Emmy right? SevenEmmys.

I mean, this is me. Well, we're in royalty. This
can you bring one in?

Tim Stout (13:07):
Can we just went up here? I mean, how many podcasts
at this level? Have avideographer? Emmy Award winner?
You got 77 time Emmy Awardwinner video videographer. I
mean, it's amazing.

Well, our Paris is amazing. We don't know that.
Besides Steve. About a monthago, I worked with a gentleman
you know about his marriage. Andhe has two gold medals. And
seven time world championkickboxing. Wow. Don't mess

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around with that guy.

Don't make him.
Oh,

Tim Stout (13:49):
did you tell us why?
You know, the funny thing aboutthat is I think in a parish like
this, we don't know who ourpeople are exact, right? I mean,
we know because we see him atchurch and we give pleasantries
and all those things. But do wereally know who's in this
parish? That's what we shoulddo. We should find these guests
that have these interestingstories. Like, I mean, maybe
we'll find somebody has wonseven Emmys and put them on the

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show. And you know,

nobody even knows what Steve looks like.

Tim Stout (14:17):
Yeah, he had a pretty popular Facebook post this week.
He was behind the camerainterview. And Chrissy Ellison,
right. It's good post. Family.
Five K's coming up. Thisweekend. I think packet pickup
was last weekend family fivecases weekend. Big Event in the
community. So if you signed upfor that, good luck this
weekend. Does that

do anything to the masses? I don't know. That's
first I heard

of that. First time. I thought he's over.

No, it's not virtual. Right. It's real. It's
real. We need to find times andclosings of streets and right.
Wow.

Tim Stout (14:52):
Maybe we should look that up real quick. Yeah.

You have a sub priest coming in and there's no
mass

Tim Stout (15:00):
Saturday at six is that what Steve said? Saturday
September 18 6pm. So there yougo. So mass will be grown on
right in the middle. So prettylow attendance. I'll take that
mass Dallas

with the street be closed. Oh,

yeah. Yeah.
Terry.

Tim Stout (15:19):
I'm think they close military. What's what to find
out about that? If anybody'swatching in Dallas a text that
knows the answer that questionin

the past that we did close because of fiddly
5k.

Tim Stout (15:30):
We were closed last weekend, right? Because of the
festival, the horse,

the horse. I know that feeling 5k they block
military. They block Main Streetbecause the take off point is at
Georgetown, Gideon entrance. Andso that's where they start.

Unknown (15:48):
All right. Well, I'm

surprised Geno's don't have not informed
father Lin. Gina Stewart, youhear this in trouble?

Tim Stout (15:56):
Well, I didn't mean to call such controversy right
at the opening of the show.
Well, yeah, I did. But it was Iwas hoping for a different
topic. So So what else is goingon? Any other current events?
Don't you don't talk aboutanything?

I don't know. You want to talk about anything? I
don't have a current event. Doesanybody have a job? I don't have
a current event. Well,

I do. Okay. A few days ago, right few day,
What day? He was yesterday. AndI got a phone call from a priest
told me Did you hear aboutChrist again? That's a closing
word. And so they turn out. Thepriest there was required by

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Bishop john to announce to allhis parishioner, let them know
that they have not beenvaccinated. And so that
exploded.

Tim Stout (16:59):
I actually had the audio from Oh, you do? Yes. So
get us audio audio only. Webring this up, Steve, just one
second already. You can usewhatever graphic you want on
this. Here we go. Bishop

Unknown (17:17):
has asked the father David and I father john, I'm
speaking for father john make anannouncement that we are not
vaccinated. So people can decideif they want to attend masses
where we're celebrating.
And also the the priests andthis is gone. This has been done
throughout the diocese. Thosepriests that are not vaccinated

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are to follow the COVID protocolin the liturgy, and they are not
allowed to visit the sick orelderly that are homebound.
Father, john and father David,again, have not been vaccinated.

Tim Stout (17:53):
Thank you. Boom,

there you go.

Tim Stout (18:00):
Well, you know, I said something to Steve about
that. And like Steve said, Didthat kind of defeat the purpose
of being a priest not being ableto visit the home now?

I don't know that kind of interesting.
Because prior to vaccination,was priests allowed to visit
holmboe? Yes, yes. Right. Yes. Iremember that discussion prior
to vaccination, because therewas a process of talking about
how to anoint people with withcotton dab and make sure that

(18:36):
that can put somewhere and nowwhat you're not vaccinated, and
you're not allowed to doanointing play interesting, Tim,

my first question was, and not just this, where
you see it. tons of stuff on thenews. And you're a scientist,
right?

Tim Stout (19:00):
I consider myself a scientist. Yes. I love numbers

can or does an unvaccinated person pass on the
virus any more than a vaccinatedperson?

Tim Stout (19:16):
I have not a virus.
I'll just it's a good question.
And I think the problem isheard. No, that's that's the
answer that I've heard as well.
And I think that's obviouslythere's there's a lot of
confusion. And you you broughtit up, you know, stadiums are
full. If if we were in such agrave situation right now.

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Witten, wouldn't we havecanceled masses? Wouldn't it be
live stream only? Would there benobody in the stadiums? Wouldn't
that mean you know, I think thatit's become a political issue.
And and, you know, now it's thatnews that that news made

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national news from our dassiesmade national news. Yeah, you go
Catholic news agency. So, youknow, I don't I don't have a
solution. I mean, the bishopwould say get vaccinated, that's
a solution. But is it thesolution to your point, right?
Because if you're passing on thevirus, what if a priest is has a

(20:19):
condition? medical condition? Isdoes he have to come out and
tell everybody that he's?

Yeah, all I talked to the priest was
informed, all of them those whohave not been vaccinated, we'll
have to make it public. that hadnot been vaccinated. The thing
disturbed me is it's almostcreate we call it The Scarlet
Letter. You know, it's Derby tothe point that I, maybe this

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coming Sunday, I will need toput on my vestment. vaccinated.

What was the scarlet letter? Was it an A? It
was

a Yes, it was an A. So we have to start with
the Wii, the Wii, the Wii.

Tim Stout (21:13):
You know, the the church for, for the longest time
has always had an exemption forconscious objection. And I'm not
talking about religiousobjection. There's a difference
between religious objection, andforming your conscience and
objecting to something, right.
And that's something that thechurch I have forever and have
been really forever. I mean, Idon't ever remember it not being

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a part of it. And I asked, theyask our legislators to include
that in legislation, every lawthat's ever passed. And then to
get to this point, where, youknow, COVID, obviously, is the
most serious thing that we'vefaced in our lifetimes. But it's
not the most serious thing thatmankind's ever faced. I mean,
not as serious as the bubonicplague not as serious, some

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would argue, is even the 1918,Spanish flu. You know, it's just
different these days, because ofhow interconnected we are, I get
that. And I'm not antivaccination. So don't send out
texts or post them on Facebook,says, Deacon, anti Vax, I'm not
anti vaccination. All of my kidshave been fully vaccinated for

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all with all this stuff. Howvaccinate, you're vaccinated,
you're vaccinated seesvaccinate, you know, it's not a
question of that. It's just thisquestion of where does where
does personal liberty start? Forsomeone who makes a decision
based on informed conscience?

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And I don't have to answer that.
I formed my conscience, I becamevaccinated. So sounds like if
you're a priest, what's theprotocol there? What happens if
I did, man, there's so manyethical issues there. What
happens if somebody calls youup? And you're I mean, you're
vaccinated. So this wouldn'tapply to you. But you let's say

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you were unvaccinated. Somebodycalls you up to come to the
hospital and I was done. Iwanted last rites. Are you
supposed to refuse that?

You have no faculty? The bishop already
catch you already. Unless thecritical the new bypass that by
canon law.

Tim Stout (23:29):
I mean, I just think it brings up a lot of a lot of
questions. I just one of thethings I think that as as
Americans that's speaking as as,as a deacon or as a Catholic,
but speaking as an American now,I think one of the things has
never really worked well in thiscountry is when we tell somebody
they've got to do somethingthat's against their will. It
just never ends up well. Ever.
So anyway, I guess we've killedthe COVID discussion guy thing

(23:54):
I'll say on it, getting commentsover there by saying

a few things, but okay.

Tim Stout (24:02):
Nothing, nothing urgent. Dallas is the moderator.

But again, it for me is soon to be seen. Okay.
Go be tough. You know, whenBishop john did that, they'll
feel compensation in relation toa we have clergymen, you all
deacons? Yep. And I do know theyall deacons are not vaccinated.

(24:30):
Yep. Or they not allow to visitthe visit. I do know there are
lay people, right. give outcommunion. homebound visit, or
they put that restriction on toI don't know it. This this

(24:50):
thing. Where are we gonna gowith this?

Tim Stout (24:54):
Yeah, do we have to do we have to have a COVID card
for somebody to get back to me?
Yeah. COVID back

People go into church, or we restrict them to
you know, you know, if you goin, I say, do we have to do
vaccination checkup? Before youstep in? Because many other
institution will attempt to dothat?

Tim Stout (25:17):
Yes. Yes, they will.
I mean, I think there's gonnabe, you know, from a secular
perspective, the mandate that'scoming from the government,
government, the US governmentfrom from the bad administration
will come through OSHA, which iswill this going to issue an
emergency declaration that allemployers have 100 or more
employees will requirevaccination? That will go to the

(25:40):
Supreme Court, I think,relatively quickly, quickly, I

believe, too.
Yeah.

Tim Stout (25:47):
I mean, this, as I was alluding to earlier, that
the supply chain in this countryis messed up right now
significantly, just go try tobuy, I don't know, go try to buy
a car, a house, you know, buy at

first question is, if if it's that serious, was
your limit 100? Anybody?

Tim Stout (26:07):
That's a jurisdiction issue with OSHA. So I mean, I
think they would do it lower ifthey could, but there's an
enforcement side of this too,which is where I was going, you
know? How are you going toenforce this? Exactly. at, you
know, the government can has alot more tools at its disposal
than the church does. But thechurch is not a government

(26:29):
institution. And so, you know,everybody has a right. I mean,
one of the things that we hearfrom from Pope Francis is, is,
bring everybody in, right? Bringthem all in, bring them all in,
you know, the other side of itis, you know, I use the pro

(26:50):
abortion argument, my body mychoice that gets thrown out the
door. And and so as a woman, youknow, you're affecting other
people. We're on abortion,you're killing a baby. You know,
I mean, there's just, I mean,there's just so many things that
don't jive that, yeah, that justdoesn't make a whole lot of

(27:11):
sense. And I do put my scientisthat on Dallas, because I do
still kind of keep track of thenumbers a lot. And, and I'll be
honest with you, you know, thestatistics that I see are quite
staggering. But the actions as aresult of the statistics are so
different this time. And I'm notjust talking about lock downs.
I'm not saying I'm notsuggesting lock downs, or any of

(27:32):
that stuff, but just, you know,fans in the stands. I mean,
that's, that's a huge one

with low mass and right beside each other, right,
school.

Tim Stout (27:41):
Middle School is another one of those things.
totally different. And I'm gladI mean, my wife says, obviously,
a school teacher and, you know,it's it's hard on her teaching
with a mask on, but I thinkshe'd rather be doing that than
she would be, you know, zoomingzooming? Yeah, cuz zooming is
horrible. And the kids, youknow, it's a lot better for them
this way than what's zoomingbecause, you know, they're

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gonna, it's gonna take years tocatch these kids up years. So, I
hope it I mean, the church hasalready been hurt. I mean, the
whole country's been hurt bad byCOVID. But the church has been
especially hurt back COVID andespecially the Catholic Church,
because, you know, our livestreaming and canceling those
masses is different. We'vetalked about this on this show,

(28:26):
is different for the Catholicsfor a Catholic than it is for
any other denomination. Correct.
And when, when a when a Catholicperson has a faith that allows
them to walk away from that,because they don't have to go to
Mass. They don't maybe they weremarginal on the real presence.

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And now, you know, our church,our society, the culture today
has basically told somebody,hey, it's, it's not really that
important. You can just watch iton TV. That's different for us.
And it it to me, you know, Idon't know what the long term
effects are going to be, but isgoing to be super challenging
for us to get back to. If we'reat 500 to get back to 700. It

(29:11):
will take 10 plus years. I thinkthat's my last one. Do you think
it'll have any impact on clergyas far as I mean, there's not a
protocol I guess there's aprotocol for for a deacon to
take a leave of absence I guessthere's a I'm assuming there's a
protocol for a priest to take aleave of absence if he wants to.

Yeah, there is a port of call but to be the
expectation whether Bishop johnput out a call abrupt. There's
not really a standard a ways todeal with a situation. So the
question for me personallyasked, so if that two priests

(29:56):
like at the cathedral, they havethe most parishioner right Both
of them being hung from anyhomebound visit whatsoever if
they persist in not beingvaccinated. So what will do?
What will happen to thatministry?

Tim Stout (30:12):
The person or said, exactly. I got I've got some
hospitals over there. Just a fewrelatively close.

So that's a lot. So right now all this very
ambiguity for hours of waitingwas so what the next protocol
the bishop John's gonna put itout. So, but you know, just I
spent a lot of time conversationwith a lot of priests, you know,
yes, last night yesterday, tosee some perspective, but
nobody's really know anything.
What will happen? So?

Well, you think, Hey, man, I was busy trying to
get back online or somethingfroze up. Oh, I thought we lost
our broadcast. Can you repeatall that?

Tim Stout (31:01):
Oh, you're cracking me up Dallas, Dallas Kelly. So
hey, we're supposed to talkabout the topic of the day.

The person of Jesus Christ. you clarify that?
Well,

I think you should.

What kind of person was Jesus Christ? They
might have any comments.

Tim Stout (31:21):
Well, he uses a second person of the Trinity.

Right? Did he have any natures? Did he have
Jesus nature to nature's

Tim Stout (31:32):
human nature and a divine nature? He was 100%
human.

How many wheels did he have? He was two

Tim Stout (31:40):
wheels, wheels will wheel wills, wheels. divan, we

own a human wheel. Right? What else before
we get to the main 1%? Human100% of that 100% human? But
here's the key point here. Andthere you go. You're ready.
Anybody out there? anybodywatching? I know you're
commenting on stuff comment onthis already? Was Jesus a human?

(32:08):
person?

Tim Stout (32:11):
No, let's

say, human,

human. My wife gets on me all the time for not
making ah sounds human. You madein human humanity. And you.
Jesus was not a divine

Unknown (32:30):
or human, you're human person

person.

Tim Stout (32:36):
There you go.

He was a divine person. He somebody said
sinless. He was sinless.

Tim Stout (32:44):
Yes, he was sinless, without said, but

that's why he is the divine person that is
sinless.

Well, Mary was sinless. Mary was Spanish and
she was a human person. Youknow, this is confusing, cold
trying to figure all that out.
I'm glad somebody smarter thanme figured all that out. Because
I would have guessed Jesus was ahuman person. And divine person.
But he wasn't he was just adivine person. Right?

He is the person. divinely Yes. That's it.
All right.

Tim Stout (33:21):
Nobody's commenting.
That's great.

So they must all get it. They must all get it.
Okay.

The point is Why? What make that special,
significant in his redemption?
That's very important to ask. Ifhe is a human person, human
person, can he save us?

Tim Stout (33:51):
No, no.

has to be gone.
Yeah. Or he would have just sentMoses or somebody else to save

it. He had to be the divine person in order to
save

it still mogh modeling when you try to break
all that down?

Tim Stout (34:12):
Interesting. Cuban person. So when we put this
topic together, this is our partto hear the person of Jesus
Christ. What did what was yourthoughts on what you wanted to
kind of? relay?

I think it's important like today I was
preaching to the kids. Theexaltation of the cross. You
know, too many of us we kind ofokay, the cross we all were one
right. I asked the kid How manyof you see this? I held up in
your home. Only a handful ofthem got it. Really? Yeah. Wow.

(34:52):
How many of you see this in theclassroom? A lot of them
Morehead

Tim Stout (34:57):
but all the classrooms haven't? Yeah. I do
know how I'm better have youknow

a lot of them know what it is so I talked
about it you know, I talkedabout the exalted or cross you
know, but that crossed me so Imade more graphic. In modern day
we probably say exaltation ofthe electric chair or the exalt

(35:22):
exaltation of the news you knowthat joke pyboard neck and that
I let them hear the whole storyhow the Rome and kill people
describe them through this. Butyet God conquer that you know
how important it is to bereminded with that crucifixion?

(35:43):
You know why the church put thatthing at the center? You
remember the time was back inthe 70s up to 80 Jesus no longer
on that crucifix you know, wehave a resurrect Jesus, yeah, we
have all this cute Jesus chain

Tim Stout (35:57):
chain broken chains.

And then the church put that corpse on there.
That's the reason

why even Paul said, I preach Jesus, we preach
Jesus crucified,

crucify it. My fear that we kind of laws, Jesus
kind of been put him into a box,you know, and not any box, a
kind of that cut diver, nicechocolate box. Making really
cute, you know, but instead oftruly see his redemption and

(36:32):
that bring about so I told thekid I challenged them, make sure
touch the cross. Before you gobad cold up there and touch it.
Before you go in a classroom.
Everybody touch it. Before youleave the classroom touching.
You know, it can't be reminded.
So the same thing, that's why methat topic, a person of Jesus

(36:55):
Christ. It's so critical.
Because if we lost that thatimportant, you know, like people
now they kids, they know moreabout the story of Batman. You
don't say they can tell you thewhole legend of Batman. But the

(37:15):
conductor, the legend of JesusChrist. And that is what the
backbone and the core of what webelieve.

And just like this weekend, the the ratings
Jesus asked who do people saythat I yeah. And I listened to
your homily. He was pretty good.
You talked about commitment. Itcan't be a partial commitment.
It's got to be a full commit.
You can't just say yes, Jesus, Ilove you, and then go sit on the
couch

Tim Stout (37:44):
is it's a call, it's a call to action. The cross is a
call to action. That's right.
It's a call to change. who youare. And the model yourself
after that cross.

Exactly. You know,

Tim Stout (37:58):
it's ironically, there's one of the first homily
that I ever gave was on theexaltation of the cross. It was
actually a number mine. It wasnumber five, and had a quote
here. I think it's a great quotefrom St. Theodore of studium.
How splendid the cross of Christit brings life, not death, by
darkness. paradise, not itsloss. It is the wood on which

(38:23):
the Lord like a great warriorwas wounded in hands and feet
and sad, but healed our wounds.
A tree has destroyed us a treenow brings us life.

Made you go.
You see that a deep reflectionof that is right.

Tim Stout (38:38):
I mean it that's that's salvation history. Right
there those three sentencessalvation history, you probably
would go a little deeper thanthat. But

yeah, why don't we read salvation history at the
Easter Vigil?

Tim Stout (38:53):
All 22.4 ratings? No, I mean, I think it was think
about this other day before wewere talking about this, that
that we we hear the store wehear the gospel in such a way
now. That it becomes it doesn'tbecome just a story.

Right? You know, irrelevant. Yeah,

Tim Stout (39:29):
it's, it's so long ago, you know, no, I'm saved.
You know, through faith I hadworks right faith and works. You
know, like you said, Batman's abigger story than the Jesus
Christ and and if we can't getour kids and our adults really

(39:52):
to embrace the humanity of JesusWe're in trouble.

Unknown (40:01):
Exactly.

Tim Stout (40:02):
Because by embracing that humanity, it's what? It's
what we're called to do. It's,it's, it's how we become better
people I don't, I don't become abetter person because I do
something that Dallas does.
fatherland does. Right? I dosomething because I emulate what
Jesus taught us to do. Now, youmay do some of those things, and
I may emulate those off of you.
But you know, the bottom lineis, there has to be this

(40:26):
relationship with that person.
That divine, that divine person.
Right, because he's perfection,right? I mean, and I think in
our, in the world today, we, wehear a lot of sound bites. I
mean, even if Pope Francis doesthis, too, he creates ambiguity.

(40:46):
ambiguity, ambiguity.

ambiguity, yeah.

Tim Stout (40:51):
He's ambiguous.
Because it's like, you know, whoam I to judge? Right? Well,
there's more to that story.
Right? You got to finish that.
Right. And I think that's whathappens a lot of times in our,
in our church today is peoplehone in on a verse. They take it
out of context. And it becomestheir gospel, not the gospel.

(41:13):
And it gives

them permission to keep doing what they're doing
that the Church says, You can'tdo that, you know.

Tim Stout (41:24):
And, you know, I'm all for, you know, Pope Francis,
you know, all are welcome. Comeon, in, bring all your baggage
with you. Come on in.

But once they're in there, but once you're
inside,

Tim Stout (41:41):
not all things go.

COVID father Ron, not? Oh, welcome. But not
all things go.

I think I probably did hear that. And then
once they're in, what are yougoing to hear? What are you
going to tell him? You know,

Tim Stout (41:57):
I just think if, if we can't get that right, then
everything starts to fall downin our faith. You know, whether
you're talking about when lifebegins abortion, whether you're
talking about gay marriage, Imean, you preach about that.
gave a list this weekend, right?
I understand, you know, I

gave him a long list. But every time I gave a
talk to him, every time I couldsee father laying over there
going, Oh,

Tim Stout (42:25):
but if, but this, this theology of our church,
what in what makes it so great,is it's all connected. And if
you start stripping things away,then you've got these little
silos that just blow over.
Exactly. And, you know, that'snot what, that's not the faith
that I that I love, that's notthe faith that I strive to be

(42:47):
better at. Every chance I get,you know, I'm not perfect, none
of us are perfect. We all we'reall pretty good centers, you
know, we've got that down prettygood. But, you know, you still
have to strive to, to change whoyou are, when you're in a, in a,
you know, in an environment orin a task or in a job or in a

(43:09):
situation where you have achoice to make between what
Jesus taught us to do what heinstructed us to do, because he
didn't, he didn't throw out theold law. He fulfilled it. But
we'd like to, we'd like to hearpeople say, Well, I know he
really got rid of that. I gotrid of that. Love. It's all just

(43:30):
love. Loves a big part of it.
Yeah, but it's not everything.
That's right.

But it has turned into a catchphrase.
Instead of you know, the love ofJesus talk about is a require a
lot of commitment. Is that afeeling bubbling? Right? But
it's about accepting all willhave the good and isn't it act
of the will and is require a lotof commitment. So for me, to

(44:04):
return to the fundamental whatwe are at the person of Jesus
Christ, that give us thebackbone, if you will thought
that the ground to build on torecover. What is missing, I
think is important. So isrequire a lot more conversation.

(44:28):
Because if we don't recoverthose, because everybody will
fill in the gap. You know,Jesus, the baby lover. Jesus is
a nice guy Jesus teaser to love.

Yeah, I mean, even Paul says something is
lacking in the sacrifice ofJesus on the cross. I mean,
that's biblical. And that reallymakes our Protestant brothers
and sisters uncomfortable. I'vehad many conversations, but what
is lacking is our participation.
To that suffering and death onthe cross, we have to say yes to
it and follow through with notjust He died on the cross. And I

(45:07):
sit back, I don't have to do andthat's why he's

so removed.
Right. Yeah.

Tim Stout (45:13):
I mean, I think that's one of the things that
really separates us from theProtestants really, if you
really want to get down to justthe core theology, and that is,
you faith we pray it was the onerace this weekend, right? Faith
and works, right. Show mefaithful that works. show you a
lot of a lot of emptiness. Andand I mean, it would be to me,

(45:35):
it would be so easy to say,yeah, I've saved squat about my
life. And I think that's whatCOVID is kind of kind of doing
to us. As a church. You know, weI'm Catholic. I believe in God.
I believe in Jesus. I had to goto church this weekend. I don't

(45:58):
need to receive Communion. Yeah.
I still love I love everybody.
I'm good.

I'm good. I'm a good person. You haven't you
hear that a lot. I'm not goingI'm going to heaven. I'm a good
person, you know, more to itthan that.

So those are some lens, I think it's
important for furtherconversation at the church as a
catechist. As, as Minister, wehave to be in dwelling aware how
important that is. So we can doour job to recover that at least
in some capacity. You know, forme this morning, same thing,

(46:38):
talk with the good about theexalted lacrosse, I was adamant
about it. About how important itis a home should have a crucifix
should have if not every rooms,

Tim Stout (46:52):
how many crucifix you get your house?

Well, I stoled one and put it in my classroom.
I probably got 410 we

Tim Stout (47:01):
got I probably got a lot of crosses. I probably got
four or five. crucifixes. Imean, it tells people who you
are. Exactly. If a

burglar ever breaks in, he's gonna know what
kind of house he's broken into.
You too, I think, don't you havea wall full of crosses,

Tim Stout (47:20):
I did have two walls full across, actually. So I
mean, you know, it meanssomething to me. You know it.
It's a goal. And not that I wantto have to die for my faith in
that way. But to know that, youknow, Jesus went through what he

(47:41):
went through. For all of us, notjust me, but for everyone. It
just, it takes the this, thisconcept of love to something
that, that it's hard tounderstand. You have to you have
to accept that type of lovethrough faith, because you can't
comprehend it. No, the closestthing I think we get is the love

(48:04):
for, for a mother for a child.
But it goes beyond that. Right?
It's the love of a mother for achild she doesn't know, or the
love of a father for a guy hedoesn't even though I mean, it's
just, it's so hard for us tounderstand it that I don't do we
we have to put it into a mysteryof our faith that that love that

(48:26):
Jesus embodies for us that that,you know, gave us in human
terms, what it meant to do, whatit what it meant to love. It
just it's so hard for us tounderstand. I don't think we can
truly really understand it.

Right? But for me, we need more sacramental
than ever, you know that, thatthing that signifies something
to remind us, you know, youruniversity does wonder with
that, you know, license plateor, you know, Kentucky football,

(49:05):
you know, it's marketing,marketing. Yeah. And we as
Catholic Christian, we suck inmarketing, often necessary
stuff. You know, I showed youwere right there, you know,
look, really, you know, don't beafraid you'll be a saint, and
lead real call. It's all thesame name in there.

Tim Stout (49:25):
There's a lot of lot of inner church. It's amazing.
Yeah.

And we fail, beginning with the best sim
symbol in a church or icon, ifyou will, the crucifix of Jesus
Christ.

I mean, I often repeat this and I repeated to my
class, all three of my classeslast week. They and I've got
this from somebody years ago.
What's the only differencebetween saints in us? One
difference, they chose to beone. That's all. That's it. All
it takes is you to choose to bea saint, and you can make it

(50:03):
happen.

Tim Stout (50:06):
But the other important part to remember
though, is every single one ofthose saints. Sin,

sand. Yeah, yeah.
Please send before them exceptfor Mary.

Tim Stout (50:19):
Right. She was a human person without sin, the
one human person without greatconversation guys. Do you know
the one guy that the one?
There's one person in ourlifetime? Currently there's been
more than one that reallyunderstood marketing the
Catholic Church is Bishop Baron.

(50:43):
Oh, yeah. Your friend youpreached about? Yeah, yeah. So
you're gonna get him on theshow. Right?

Y'all like that?
You should be Yeah, show.

I haven't time to call you. Well,

Tim Stout (50:54):
I think what we could do is we could do a road trip.

Right to the California LA.

Tim Stout (51:00):
He's in. He's in.
He's in LA. You know, theDodgers might. It might

just be timed at a dodgeball game. coincidental.

Tim Stout (51:10):
So you hook it up.
We'll get some sponsors to flyus out there. And we'll we'll
we'll do a podcast live withBishop Aaron. In LA LA. Yeah.

It can happen.

Tim Stout (51:25):
Steve, can you get credentialed for that? Bishop
burn great, great marketing guy.
I mean, really? In a greatcatechist. Right. Yeah. I mean,
that's his. He's doing what hewas born to do it for sure. So,
you know, this is the firstepisode of this show where we

(51:47):
didn't have the 26th Sunday orFriday, ordinary time or
whatever. It was the expectationacross first time we've had a
feast day on our show.

And it was a solemnity, two readings that I
write, to reading.

Tim Stout (52:05):
And so for those of you that don't know about the
exaltation of the cross, we'regetting ready to give it to you
because the exploitation of thecross even though it's not a
person, human or divine is thesign of the day. So Steve, are
you ready?

Unknown (52:24):
This is Franciscan media saint of the day for
September 14. Today we celebratethe exaltation of the Holy
Cross. This feast celebrates thefinding of the cross on which
Jesus died in Jesus's day acrosswas a threat to anyone who
defied Rome's authority. ThroughJesus's death, it became a

(52:44):
symbol of victory. In the fourthcentury, St. Helena, mother of
the Roman Emperor Constantine,went to Jerusalem in search of
the holy places of Christ'slife. Among those was the temple
of Aphrodite, thought to bebuilt over the tomb of Jesus,
Constantine ordered the Basilicaof the Holy Sepulchre to be

(53:04):
built on that site. During theprocess of excavation and
construction, workers foundthree crosses. Legend has it
that the one on which Jesus diedwas identified when it's touch
healed a dying woman. That crossimmediately became an object of
veneration, both Catholic andOrthodox churches in the East

(53:26):
celebrate the exploitation ofthe Holy Cross today, on the
anniversary of the dedication ofthe Basilica. The Feast entered
the western church calendar in629, after the cross was
recovered from the Persians, whohad carried it off 15 years
earlier, there's more about thesaints along with inspiration
and Catholic resources at ourwebsite, Saint of the day.org.

(53:48):
From Franciscan media, this hasbeen st of the day,

Tim Stout (53:53):
Saint of the day, across bound by St. Helena,
mother of Constantine, a lot ofhistory there. They still teach
that history and religion class.

I haven't come across it yet. A year just
started I haven't looked at allthree and

not know that until I was in Jerusalem. And we
were there the holy supplicant.
Yeah, one of them at the site.
And they talked about whetherdiscover the cross and and then
you know, that's how all thatcame about.

Tim Stout (54:30):
Great. Great story, though. They identified it
because it healed somebody. Imean, just, you know, great
story. The other thing isseparates us from our Protestant
powers for relics.

Can you remember a story one of our professors
told us he was having to be apriest during classes, where
they were in trouble to turonthe Shroud of Turin, Turin,
Turin and they happen to be atthis church and they just looked
around just the two of them andfelt Open door and let's just

(55:02):
door go to they walked upstairsnext thing you know, there's the
shroud right in front of themjust the two of them in a room
with the shroud. You rememberthat?

Tim Stout (55:11):
They would have you know they would have yeah that's
another Have you been there tothis router turn Hey you got
pilgrimage coming up to you havetalked about that on one of the
shows coming up. You're going ifwe can make it everything gets
canceled. Thanks COVID greatshow guys. Next show will be

(55:35):
hopefully in a couple of weeks25th set right 28th 28th it'll
be the day after my birthday.
This week. Got a lot ofbirthdays going on here Dallas
60 I'll be 53 Padre will be 53in December right December 8 so
so we'll be back in two weeksprior to continue in this vein I

(55:58):
think maybe more about theperson of Jesus Christ expand a
little bit on the that thetheology a little bit depth. So
if you've got any if you haveany topics or you know some
interesting parishioners Good,good topic of conversation today
if you know somebody that's gotan interesting story like I
mean, kickboxer has got goldmedal. Or a photographer, he's

(56:19):
got some Emmys, you know,whatever. Because, you know,
next week next time we're here,we're gonna have an Emmy sitting
right here. 707.

I put all seven out there. We don't

Tim Stout (56:34):
need to break. He's probably has like a special
Pelican special brief case thatcarries them all. He probably
takes them to Thanksgivingdinner. So if you got anybody
that has some interestingstories, let us know, love to
hear him. And especially if itties in to the faith that
somebody doesn't necessarilyhave to, but they know Steve's
using his abs to spread theword. I mean, we couldn't do

(56:56):
what we do without Steve, and wethank him for it over there.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you,instrumental in what we're doing
as part of this small ministryhere and also live streaming, so
good work. If you're not afollower of on Facebook here,
give us a follow. And if youlisten to us on podcast, you

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You don't have to worry aboutsomebody touching your envelope.
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No, no, no, that's it. Dallas,would you be so bad that give us
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The peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, we were the
soul And with your spirit, andMay almighty God bless us in
this room and everyone out therelistening. Father, Son, Holy
Spirit. Amen. him

Tim Stout (58:31):
a beer. And next until next time I'm taking.

I'm taking Dallas.

I'm Father Lynn.

Unknown (58:42):
Good. Did you ever stop and think why spend too much
time skating? I don't know asingle thing that I haven't

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